Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 486 - Carl Lanore

Episode Date: February 23, 2021

Carl Lanore is the host of the longest running health and anti-aging internet show, “Super Human Radio”, reaching over half a million listeners every week. Carl is a tireless researcher, motivator and crusader. He’s a Physical Culture and Ancestral Nutrition enthusiast who takes a stand against the pseudo/so-called medical care and pharmaceutical industries which do more to keep people sick than make them well. Subscribe to the NEW Power Project Newsletter! ➢ https://bit.ly/2JvmXMb Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Special perks for our listeners below! ➢LMNT Electrolytes: http://drinklmnt.com/powerproject ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

You don't want to miss what this guest had to say on Mark Bell's Power Project. And John and Gene Gotti and all those guys used to always take long walks along 101st Avenue so that they could talk without anybody hearing them and stuff like that. And all of a sudden, this one day, they made a beeline across the street. They came right over to a group of us that was sitting out. It was the summertime. And he said, hey, any of you know Al and this last name? And of course, my friend Al said, yeah, that's me. And he walked up to us and says, hey, I heard you got some gold. And Al thought like he was legit, like wanting to buy gold from him. He goes, oh, you know. And as Al started to

answer him, he took his left hand and he grabbed Al's face like this and he squeezed it and he put a little chrome like 38 snub like right in his mouth and he says if i hear you're selling gold in this neighborhood again i'm gonna come back and i'm gonna fucking kill you this episode of mark bow's power project podcast is brought to you by element electrolytes there's that sound again you guys know that sound yes so we're in february and in january you know we thought that you know element was just going to send you these eight packets of electrolytes and that would be it by the end of january but you guys loved that so much you guys love trying out all of their different awesome flavors that they're like let's just keep doing it for the

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And, uh, I think he'll tell me all the stuff to do. I'm not sure if it's like a, uh, modified fast or if it's just like full on, just water, no food.

He'll probably have you, he'll probably have you do something. Maybe all you have electrolytes or, right, right. You know, something like that, but you don't want to dry run it.

Once you let us know when, once, once he lets you know, let us know. You know, it's really, what's really crazy is a dry fast. You guys ever done that?

No water, right? Yeah. That's actually really hard. Cause you're like, I don't get to have anything. Oh, my grandma's done it.

Yeah. It's brutal. Yeah. Um, it wasn't really necessarily have anything. Oh, my grandma's done it. Yeah, it's brutal. Yeah. It wasn't really necessarily that hard, but it was difficult in the sense of like, I was like, I'm thirsty. I'm like, oh, I'm like, I kind of, I can't. I'm like, I just want to, and I'm like, I can't. So why, how long did you do it and why did you do it?

Just 24 hours. Um, after we had Cole Robinson on, he talked quite a bit about, uh, dry fasting and some of the benefits. And I remember hearing a long time ago back on like a keto forum, uh, people were talking about like, they're like, oh, it's really easy to get to ketosis. Just go on a long ass walk. Don't eat any food and don't drink anything. So I guess you can kind of, you know, speed up the process. I would imagine you're lowering your glucose levels down, but I'm not sure why the water fact or how the water factors in there, but it's a really interesting. Yeah. Talking about ketosis, it's actually really a, our guest today, are we recording by, Andrew? Yep, we are.

Okay, our guest today has a really interesting insight on ketosis, because he's a supporter of the whole thing. But I've heard him talk. I'm going to let him talk about it. But you know how there are some people that are just crazy about keto and doing keto all the time and checking their ketones and getting their millimolars up and shit. He has a good take on that, which is just really rational. Yeah, chasing ketones. But it's going to be that, which is really rational. Yeah. Chasing ketones.

Um, but it's going to be awesome. This is going to be dope. I'm excited. You know, Carl is not, he's not 25 years old. You know,

he's been around for a long time and he's somebody that, uh, damaged his body by eating, um, a lot of delicious and convenient foods. And we, you know, I think,

you know, we talk a lot on the show about reinterpretation and nothing's good nor bad until you we you know i think you know we talk a lot on this show about reinterpretation and nothing's good nor bad until you you know you whatever label you put on it but how great would it be to you know reinterpret the way that we think about food um these things that we don't think cost a lot they cost us tremendously you know in the long run they cost you your health they cost your life um what They cost you your life. What the fuck's worse than that? That's a horrible price to pay.

And so if you can make some changes in your day-to-day that aren't, like, you know, just extremely inconvenient and just way too difficult to do, you know, why not start to employ them? And on top of that, the foods that we're thinking are inexpensive, they're not actually food. You know, your grandmother's grandmother would be like, hey, what is that? Like, that looks gross. Don't eat that. Yeah. I'm really interested in Carl's perspective. And whenever we have a guest that's had older, my ears perk up a bit because I feel like when you have a young athlete or young coach or whatever on, and it's not all the time, but there's a perspective on health that is like, there's a little bit of invincibility because of youth, right? But when you got someone who's been in the game for a minute and they're thinking about all these things, there is more of a perspective on their end of what can I do to feel really good because my age is making me have some of these issues.

And how do I get the most out of the life that I have left? Right. And there's a very different perspective on health that I feel like we'll be able to take from Carl and like apply now. Like, I think that a lot of individuals that are my age should be taking this stuff and putting it into their lives so that they can live a much longer potentially, but also just like healthier life with all the shit that they're doing. Yeah. And having somebody like Carl on somebody that it's older,

I'm sure he's got all the different food things he's done over the years. He's got to have a tremendous poop story, right? Oh, tons. Yeah. Tons. Yeah, for some reason, I think this guy's got a poop story and a half for us.

Yeah. Do you guys like the mango chili element? Like, it grew on me. That's what I'm using right now, but mango chili. Yeah, I dig it. Having that on top of, like, an orange is... Hey, guys guys what's happening hey trying to get my

camera to show up there I am there you are there's that big fucking ugly face holy shit there's a pumpkin head over there right dude like I've had the biggest head since I was a fucking kid it's been like you know a problem for me but

imagine having it filled with gold coins. Then you'd like it. Yeah, that's actually very true. Amazing to have you on the show. It's been a long time. We've been friends for a long time and appreciate you taking the time to chat with us for today. Knowing, you know, some of your history with all the different diets and all the different foods that you have eaten and all the different changes that you've made, I'd imagine that sometimes there's some changes that go on in

the stomach that our body doesn't agree with. So I figured we started to show off the right way and we started out with a poop story. Do you have a good, do you have a legendary poop story for us? I have a feeling that you do. I don't know that I have a legendary poop story, but I will tell you that I think looking at your poop could be one of the most important things you do to determine if your diet is right for you. People don't even want to look at their poop. They even have kids books. Everybody poops. They look in the toilet and they go, I could curse on the show, right? Absolutely.

They go, did that curse on the show, right? Absolutely. Well, they go, did that shit come out of me? Something break off and I lost it? People don't look at their own poop. I have a theory about poop. It should be well-formed. It should look like a torpedo. And when you wipe your ass,

if you have to use more than one or two pieces of toilet paper to wipe your ass, you're eating the wrong food. I joke and say I have a teflon asshole because i literally use one piece of toilet paper to wipe and that's there's nothing else there and you're and you're good to go after that yeah i mean if you're like like i knew right away that most of the people in america were fucked up when during the covid epidemic like people were buying so much toilet paper because these people must spend an hour after they shit wiping their ass.

It's like the wrong food they're eating. I remember that in the text thread that we had with Ron and Joel and Ron was like, yeah, these people randomly shit in the middle of the day. He's like, who does that? He's like, when you're on point, like that doesn't happen to you. That's right. But no, I don't have any, I I mean I don't have a specific story but I there must have been a blowout here or there

I'm very proud of my shit in fact when I was lifting heavy I always made sure I took a shit before squatting because I didn't want to take a deep squat safety first you don't want to turn squats into squirts i used to say

carl we gotta you know you know kick this show off with talking about some of these things and get this out of the way before we talk to you about nerdy stuff about keto and carnivore and the success that you enjoyed with having your podcast on air for over 15 years congratulations on all that but i remember you briefly mentioning to me, and we never got around to really talking about it. And I don't know if this is a place to talk about it, but you did mention briefly to me that either you or maybe family members or something of that sort had some ties to some mafia. So I don't know if we're able to talk about that or if you'd have to kill us all. I don't know how it works. No, no, no, no. And you know what?

about that or if you'd have to kill us all. I don't know how it works. No, no, no. And you know what? So a common joke that I tell in Kentucky, people are like, how did you end up in Kentucky? And then I say, well, the witness protection program doesn't give you a choice on where they put you jokingly. But yeah, I in fact, I just watched a movie last night with my nephew and I knew every part of it firsthand. I just watched John Travolta do the John Gotti movie. I never watched it before. But I grew up first. I grew up in Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, and then we moved from Bedstuy to South Ozone Park, Queens. And so I was I was surrounded by wise guys my entire life. life. And I really never thought of myself in that area because I'm not that kind of guy. I also don't ever want to go to jail. And that's something you have to make peace with right away. In fact, a lot of the guys I know used to call it they were going to college because, you know, they go away for a while. But yeah, I mean, I grew up 11 blocks away from John Gotti's Bergen Hunt and Fish Club on her first avenue. I frequented a lot of those places.

I knew a lot of guys who were very well connected, but I never fell into that lifestyle. Yeah. I watched John Gotti put a gun in my friend's mouth. I'll just say his first name, Al. So when the Lufthansa thing went down, a lot of gold was like floating around my neighborhood and so uh my friend al met this guy and the guy gave him like this uh jeweler's bag that unfolded and had all these gold rope chains in it and that was from the lufthansa uh uh, where they stole all that cash and all that gold from Lufthansa plane in Kennedy Airport. And so the rule was you weren't supposed to go out and sell anything

because the feds and everybody were hot in the neighborhood they were looking for. And so my friend Al had gotten some, and he was actively selling it in the neighborhood. And one day we were on the corner of 108th Street and 101st Avenue. And John and Gene Gotti and all those guys used to always take long walks along 101st Avenue so that they could talk without anybody hearing them and stuff like that. And all of a sudden, this one day, they made a beeline across the street and they came right over to a group of us that was sitting out. It was the summertime. And he said, It was the summertime. And he said, hey, you know, Al and this last name. And of course, my friend Al said, yeah, that's me. And he walked up to us.

Hey, I heard you got some gold. And Al thought like he was legit, like wanting to buy gold from me. Oh, you know. And as Al started to answer him, he took his left hand and he grabbed Al's face like this and he squeezed it and he put a little chrome like 38 snub like right in his mouth and he says if i hear you're selling gold in this neighborhood again i'm gonna come back and i'm gonna fucking kill you holy shit al didn't come out of his house for two months so anyway yeah but i i did grow up in that environment and we used to call it from sneakers to shoes. Like if you were a kid in that neighborhood and you know these guys and then they throw you a crumb and have you do something for them. And then next thing you know, then you can hang around at the club and, you know, you could you could become affiliated. And but it was never one of my dreams. I am not built that way. I'm not I'm not a guy who wants to shoot it out. But it was never one of my dreams. I'm not built that way. I'm not a guy who wants to shoot it out at somebody.

What did you learn from growing up in that environment? Were your family poor? And what did you kind of see in that kind of stuff? And what did you learn streetwise and stuff like that? We were definitely poor. So I spent the first 14 years of my life in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, in a one-bedroom apartment, and there were four of us. My sister and I had the only bedroom. My parents slept on a Castro convertible. It was one of these couches that turned into a bed. And my father was a truck driver. My mother was a beautician. They saved all their money they could. And then the big deal was

we were going to move to Queens, which back then then was like a big deal, like getting out of Brooklyn, going to Queens. And we bought a little house in Richmond Hill, which is a part of South Ozone Park for $42,000. And I had my own bedroom for the first time. My sister had her own bedroom for the first time. It was just really a wonderful thing. So yeah, I didn't have any, you know, there was nothing, no generational wealth or anything like that. But I learned from my parents to work really hard and save your money. And that was like the big message in the household, save your money. But what did I really learn being on the streets is I can size somebody up so fucking fast.

And like, like I've, I've had people in my life that have come to me and said, what do you think of this person? What do you think of that person? And like my first guess about them is spot fucking on, whether they're a scumbag, whether they're decent, because where I grew up, if you couldn't size somebody up very fast, you could be fucking dead. And so that's probably the greatest thing that I learned. The other thing was there were two people when I was growing up that were survivors.

And the first group were tough. I mean, I had a lot of friends that were fucking rough, really rough. I mean, I started carrying a gun in college just because I was traveling on the subways to go in and out of downtown Brooklyn. And a lot of times I was on the subway at the wrong time, and I had a little.38 that I carried in my bomber jacket. But the other guys that were very good in my neighborhood were the funny guys. And my sense of humor was really what saved me, because I probably would have got my ass kicked a lot, a lot, because I just my father used to say I was a puppy. I was very big at 12 years old. He signed me up for the police athletic league boxing because he said, you know, you don't have the

aggression that these other kids have. You're big and you're going to get picked on because you're big. And so I did learn to box and I knew how to defend myself, but I wasn't aggressive. I didn't want to go out and kick somebody's ass just to prove that I could kick their ass. And I was surrounded by those kind of guys. So I was witty. I was fast. I made people laugh and a lot of people like me because I got by. like through your childhood, what did you do for like your first job? Because like now we know you as like the guy who does a lot of research, who knows a lot of science and who applies it. But what was what what happened before you started getting into health and fitness and peptides like Andrew talks about? Like what what were you doing beforehand? Well, let me go all the way back to when I first moved to Queens. OK, I got kicked out of school for being a truant. So I never finished high school. I had to go back and get my GED so that I could go on to college later on.

I went to work at the racetrack. I worked at Aqueduct Belmont, Saratoga, and I worked with with horses. I love that. I still have a lot of friends from that period of time. And I was a huge druggie. None of the girls in high school wanted to be bothered with me And I was a huge drug. None of the girls in high school wanted to be bothered with me because I was a stony. I was tripping all the time. I smoked weed every day. And I became known as Dr. Carl because if you found the drug in your mother's medicine cabinet,

you could come to me and I'd say, no, it's blood pressure medicine. Don't take it. Oh, yeah, those are good. Those are valiums. So I actually had this working for me early on, but wrong reason. Then I went back to college and I studied optometry because I was going to become an optometrist. Then I broke up with a girl. I found out she was cheating on me and it broke my heart and I moved to Las Vegas. And I lived in Vegas for eight years from 1981-ish to 1989, I lived in Vegas. And then I was in the mobile telephone and paging business. I started a company there. But nothing really prepared me for what I do today, except I got really sick. I was dying. They were going to put a pacemaker in my chest at 39 years old.

And I was like, shit, my parents were healthy. My parents lived into their late 80s. Like what happened to me? And then I realized I fucked myself up, my lifestyle. I was running an alarm company and I hated it. I was eating and eating all day long. I'd come home and eat dinner. Meanwhile, I just stopped at Wendy's an hour before dinner and got, I would drive, when the double stack came out, I would drive through and I'd tell the girl, give me three double stacks on one bun. She'd say, what? I said, yeah, throw the buns away from two of them and put all the meat on one. That's like, oh, you shit me. That's like six pieces of meat. Yeah. Give me that. Give me a diet, Dr. Pepper. I made sure to get a diet. And actually they had Mr. Pibb. And I said,

he can give me a Biggie fries. And I would do that. I'd eat that. And then an hour later, I'd go home and eat a big meal for dinner. So I was a slothful, miserable, one of the walking dead of this country. I was the average American. I was killing myself slowly. And so when I got diagnosed, I was like, no, I can't fucking die like this. And then I became like I dove headfirst into all the information I could find out about fixing my heart. And lo and behold, I came upon studies about weightlifters and how they remodel their heart. And I thought, that's what I want to do. I want to remodel my heart. that's what I want to do. I want to remodel my heart. And I'm going to forget my doctor, Dr. Swift. I told him I'm going to start powerlifting. And he said to me, well, just make sure your insurance is paid up because you don't want to leave your family in a lurch when you die. That's kind of the reader's digest version. That's, uh, uh, you know, your background, your background is really fascinating. When you were, um, when you were, when you were growing up growing up, it sounds like your parents were strong enough to keep you motivated,

keep you focused on having a better life. They showed you an example that you can have a better life. Yeah, maybe some of these knuckleheads run the streets or doing A, B, or C, but here's an example. Did you feel like you grew up with enough love? Did you have your parents around enough to... And I was deathly afraid of my father. My father was a bruiser. He was a truck driver. He was a big drinker.

He used to hang out at a place in Brooklyn. The real name of it was called Anselmo's, but they called it the Madhouse. It was the kind of bar that you didn't walk into unless you were a thug. And my father, I remember hearing conversations with my mother, how are we going to pay for that? My father threw a guy through a plate glass window and they wanted him to pay $200, which back then was a lot of money to my family. He might think my father was only making $1,200 a month back then. was a lot of money to my family. He might think my father was only making $1,200 a month back then. And so he was a bruiser.

And that actually protected me. When I lived in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, there were a lot of tough guys in Bed-Stuy back then. Because I grew up three blocks away from the Marcy Projects. I don't know if you've ever heard of the Marcy Projects, but Jay-Z sang about the Marcy Projects in a lot of his songs. And so I grew up in a really, really treacherous neighborhood, but nobody fucked with me because nobody ever wanted my father to come to

their front door. Because my father was famous. I had a kid named David. I'm not going to mention his last name. He slapped me one day. Because we were playing football and nobody ever wanted to pick me because I was the slow fat kid. And so he gave me a because I was I said, it's my football.

I'm going to take it. I classic. I'm going to take my ball and go home. And he slapped me. And I went home crying. And my father said, what happened? And I told him, he says, come on. And he put his jacket on and he walked around the corner to David's house. And he rang their doorbell. They lived upstairs from the candy store. And the father came down. He's a nice man. Tony, he says, hey, Carmine, what are you doing? He says, where's your son, David?

So he called for David. David came down. My father looked at David and said, did you slap Carl? And he cowered and he said, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so my father looked at Tony and says, look, if he ever does that again, I'm going to come back and I'm going to break your fucking jaw. You understand that? I'm not going to make my neighborhood knew who my father was. And so they just left me alone. Dude, I love that. So it seems like, you know, you had support from your parents. You guys left Brooklyn to a better location in Queens.

But you said when you're in high school, you still ended up being Dr. Carl. Why do you think you ended up turning to some of the recreational drugs? You know, I went to a parochial school. I went to a hardcore Catholic school in Brooklyn called Nativity of Our Blessed Lord. I still keep in touch with a lot of my friends from there. And I was like a straight arrow when I went. But once I graduated eighth grade and we moved to Queens, all of a sudden, I wasn't in a dangerous neighborhood anymore. And I started hanging out with kids that were like way ahead of me. I started smoking cigarettes and then I started smoking pot. And then it just went from there. And I started doing acid and everything else. self-medicating. You know, now that I look back, my childhood, there were probably some very painful parts of my childhood that I don't necessarily dwell on anymore. But I think that, you know,

I think, I mean, as long as I'm being truthful, my dad was a functioning alcoholic. And he drank, he got very violent. And I remember him striking my mother. I remember him coming home at three o'clock in the morning with Chinese food and expecting us all to wake up and have Chinese food with him at three o'clock in the morning. And I had school the next day and I was a kid. And so I think that there was probably a lot of that in my background. And I found recreational drugs kind of just because I had a lot of anxiety when I was a kid and the drugs just kind of erased it, especially the LSD. I did so much LSD back in the day. It's just freaky. You mentioned to me one time where your dad talked about other people's problems versus your own problems. I'd love for you to share that story with us because I think that is a really interesting way of looking at problems. So because we lived on a block, right? In Brooklyn, we called it the block, right? And so one time I was complaining about something and I felt like a friend of mine had it better than me. And my father said to me, you know, you don't know the problems they have.

He said, if everybody on this block threw their problems in the street and we all went out there to choose the problems that we want, we would probably come home with the problems we have already because you don't realize what other people are dealing with. And it stuck with me. Throughout life, I've been in a lot of business situations. Early on when I was young, I used to look at people who were successful like they knew something I didn't know. They had qualities that I don't have. And then all of a sudden, you start to learn that these people are really no better off than you. Maybe no worse either, but they're definitely not any better off than you. And when you really look at the things that you admire about them,

but then you learn about the shit that they have to deal with in their life, you go, fuck, that success isn't worth that. I wouldn't want to have to deal with all that. And that was kind of a crude way of explaining that to me. And that played out in my life. It really did. Made a lot of sense later on. You know, you also mentioned like you had some anxiety because of some things that, you know, you were going through as a kid. But was there ever a time that you think you were able to better deal with that anxiety in a healthy way? And I ask that just because it's like, you know, when I've when I've talked to my mom about anxiety in the past. Right.

She grew up in Nigeria, came here. She like she worked her ass off. What she hears anxiety. It's like she can't really wrap her head. She doesn't really believe in it. She she believes in it. But she's like, yo, like there have been some like some some problems. And what you've talked about, those were like real problems. So like a lot of people today, it's not like they don't have real problems. Everybody has different problems and different types of things, but we're all trying to figure out how can they deal with this anxiety? You know what I mean? So how did you, I guess, deal with your own and how do you deal with that today? know what I mean? So how did you, I guess, deal with your own and how do you deal with that today?

Well, it changes as you life changes. So when I lived in Las Vegas, I did a lot of coke and I did a lot of alcohol and that helped me kind of self-medicate. Again, I was kind of like a functioning alcoholic back then because I was in my twenties. I was living in Vegas. I was hanging out with some really fucking cool people. And so I was partying a lot. But I was running a couple of successful businesses. So we used to joke, you either had the rap or the BR, the bankroll. And I had both. So it was a very dangerous time in my life. But at that time, I drank a lot and I just partied a lot and I really never dealt with my problems. Then I got married and had children and I had to confront my problems. And I never really talked about it with my ex-wife. Never, never. I just kept it inside. I started to realize and this speaks to what your mom is talking about. You know, to every one of us, the problems are this big.

And then when you start comparing some other people's problems, you go, oh shit, man, my problems really aren't that bad. And I think that when I had children, I recognized that I had to be strong for them. I wanted them to feel the way I felt living in that shithole and bedside that nothing's going to come to me because my father will protect me. And I think that I did a good job at that. But I think that because of them, I went fast forward and dealt with a lot of my problems. And the way I dealt with them is the way I deal with everything. I become consumed by it for a short period of time or until at least I feel like, yeah, what am I worrying about?

This is no big deal. I read a I read a book by G. Gordon Liddy years and years ago. And one of the things that stuck with me about this book was he was afraid of rats. stuck with me about this book was he was afraid of rats. And because he was in these clandestine type situations in life, he knew that if someone ever found out he was afraid of rats, they would just use rats to torture him and get him. So he went to a pet store and he bought two white rats and he put them on a bag and he had them on his front seat he's driving home and he was sweating because these two rats were right there in that bed he got home he smashed both of their heads with with a hammer and he skinned them and he cooked them and he ate them and like that's what i mean by like immersing yourself into a

problem, right? Like you look at, you look at head on. And the funny thing is my father used to have a saying, and it's a very crude saying, but my father used to say to me, they can kill you, but they can't eat you. Like there's worse things than just dying, like in other ways. And so what I did in my life, whenever I had a situation where I was afraid of it, I immersed myself in it. I thought about it. I focused on it. I imagined it. I went through it over and over again, and I became immune to it. And so I was able to move past a lot of shit that I could have moved past faster had I not been drinking and drugging. But that's what I had to do. Because once I had kids, I was like, I can't, I can't drink, I can't drug. I got to, I got to find another way. And that became my, and I still do this today.

I still practice this. See, like, I think when my father died, I literally saw myself in that bed. I was like, oh, fuck, that's going to be me. Like, you can't go, hey, forget it. I don't want to do this. You're like, you're going to die and that's it. And I became very depressed for a couple of years. I couldn't sleep. And then I thought to myself, what am I so afraid of dying for? So I literally did death work and I still do it today.

I laid in my bed and I imagine this is it. Like whatever I was worrying about doing tomorrow, there's nothing I'm not getting out of this bed. I'm going to die. And in the beginning, it freaked me out. But the more I did it, I became comfortable with it. And now I'm really comfortable with my death. I can die right now doing this show and I wouldn't be like holding on to life. It's no big deal. The reality is death is painless unless you're dying of a miserable disease, obviously. But I came to the conclusion that my life became more livable once I addressed my death. I think you can't live a full life until you address your death. It's like, let's say we're in a car and we're in New York and the cars point in West. And every day we're driving and Mark, you say, well, when do we get to California?

I go, no, no, no. Don't talk about California. I don't want to talk about California. But it's inevitable. We're going to be in fucking California if we keep doing it. I don't want to talk about it. That's how we treat death today. It's inevitable. We're all going to fucking die. Let's make peace with it. Let's think about it. It'll help you focus on what's really important in your life. If you recognize your death and work through it now while you're alive. Most people wait till hours before they're dying and they're like, oh, all these things I wanted to do and I don't want to go. I don't want to be that guy. I want to be that guy that goes, fuck it, bring it on. I'm ready for it. Yeah. You were once not alive before,

right? And you get it. It happens again when you, uh, leave this earth and it's not going to be something that you're probably going to remember. I mean, we don't really know what happens, but it's probably not going to be something to remember. This is the reason why I, you know, I wanted to have you on the show. You're like a human soundbite over there, and you're on fire today. I'm wondering if you're high as a kite on some mind bullet today or something, and what's going on over there? No, I just finished a show with Joel Green, actually. We just did a show about dairy.

So I'm not like this all the time, but when I'm with people that are kind of like-minded, I just like this energy, you know, and I just kind of rip with it. That's all. Caught you on a great day. That must've been a fantastic. I'll have to check that out with Joel. Joel's a maniac. Oh yeah. So you made, you, you made a decision. So it sounds like you went through some, some severe changes in going back and kind of reviewing your problems. And this is the reason why so many dads are so similar.

You know, a lot of people are used to this conversation on the phone with their dad and say, hey, dad, how you doing? Good. How you doing, Mark? Good. All right. You want to talk to your mother? Those are my conversations on the phone. A lot of times with my dad and my, my dad and I are really close. My dad and I, every morning we go on a walk and we walk for probably like an hour. And some days there's some conversation, but a lot of times we were both like, I'm pretty quiet a lot of times, which people don't know that about me, but when I'm not on camera, I'm fairly quiet. Uh, and we're walking and like, no one says anything, but it's not weird. You know, we're just used to it. But these are things that we adopt. And I think one of the

reasons why we adopt suppressing some of these problems, or maybe not talking about them, there's a lot of reasons, you know, you don't want to show other people that you're vulnerable. You mentioned having children. But I think ultimately what we're really worried about, almost like someone who's addicted to drugs, if I went to NSEMA and said, hey man, I really need some help, man, I've been drinking a lot lately, I know that I have to stop

and that's really, really difficult. So making these changes can be really hard. When you went through those changes, it's not all positive just because you decided to move away from a lot of these things. It almost feels like you get ripped apart a bit, huh? It's not all positive just because you decided to move away from a lot of these things. It almost feels like you get ripped apart a bit, huh?

Of course. It's very difficult. Anytime you face your fears or the real life obstacle, and I say real life obstacles because I could not close in a business deal and stuff like that. That's not a real life obstacle. And anytime you face them, there's an amount of torture. There's an amount of fear. You have to feel confident that you're going to get through the fear. Like I always say to my son when we talk about things that he's going, I say, you know, Chase, it's a funny thing. I've stood at that abyss so many times in life, but I've never fallen in. And I don't think you're

going to fall in either. Like you just got to get past the fear. And you know, we, I always tell him he comes from good stock. My father used to tell me that you come from good stock. I never understood what he meant until I got older. Like, oh, you know, we were made of real good material, but yeah, it is scary. It's very, very scary, but I never fall in the abyss no matter what happens tomorrow shit could happen tomorrow really treacherous i can get a letter i don't know you know oh man but i don't worry about it anymore and that's part of that that comes with life like every time you stand at the edge of the abyss but you don't fall in you're confident that the next time the abyss shows up you're gonna i'm not gonna fall in I haven't fallen in the past 15 fucking times. I'm good. I can keep going. Before what age, uh, like what age were you when

you discovered, uh, you know, exercise and fitness, were you doing stuff when you were young at all? Or, or, I mean, you mentioned getting real heavy and stuff, but when did you discover it? When I was young, uh, in my teens and early 20s, everything was about running. So I was a runner. I was able to run five, six, seven miles a day, no problem. This is embarrassing. I didn't know any of this. Wow. No, it's okay. Well, how would you know this? This is when I was living in Queens. But I was a runner. I was an avid runner. And then I got introduced to a health spa. And that's when I started doing resistance training, but I was an avid runner. And then I got introduced to a health spa. And that's when I started doing resistance training, but I wasn't serious about it. It wasn't until 39 years old

that I learned about physical culture. And physical culture is what we do. We train, we don't exercise. A lot of people go to the gym to work out. I don't work out. I train. I have goals. I want to be stronger. I want to get back my strength. Right now I'm working on regaining strength and overcoming injuries. And it's a different mindset. But I really didn't get serious about this till 39. And that contributed a lot to me. That contributed a lot of moving forward and leaning forward into life. When I was able to save my own life, I was like, fuck, I can do anything. into life when i was able to save my own life i was like fuck i can do anything carl i want us to go down that road a little bit but i gotta rewind a little bit because you know you mentioned that your kids had you change your habits in terms of like the alcohol and the drugs that you're doing at the time and like that like when i think about that i'm just like there has to be more in terms of what you did and what you had to practice every single day. Because for a lot of people, kids doesn't change it.

You know, it's like an addiction and an addiction is hard for most people to just stop cold turkey. So was it a cold turkey type of stop? Like you realized, okay, this has to end. I'm just going to work as hard as I can. Or were there things specifically that you did to make sure that you didn't have hard relapses back into that lifestyle? Because it's, it's, it seems like a very difficult thing to do. It was all, it was fast. It wasn't, I didn't even think about it. I had this little child, my daughter Taylor,

I had this little child and I just, I just switched. It was like, she became the most important thing to me. She, her, her health, her wellbeing. Um, I wanted to do things that I didn't want to do before because I had this little child. So I can honestly say to you that I switched. I went from, you know, I owned a cellular phone company back in the day when cell phones were three or $4,000. And I had guys in Las Vegas, I would train, I'd trade a Motorola 8000 for two ounces of blow. I'd do that two ounces of blow in a weekend. I mean, with other people, don't get me wrong. But when I had that child, I actually was in the beginning of a starting stages of a business that really did well.

But I was going to have to starve for a year or two. And then I had this little child is like, I can't do that. I actually went I was working in the daytime selling radio airtime for K. K. Jewel in Las Vegas. And at night I was waiting tables at the, uh, now defunct Alpine village. I would wear lederhosen and I would, you know, serving German food. Just like that. It was just like that. When you decided to make some of these changes, uh, with your nutrition and started to exercise more, I think I recall you mentioning, uh, in the past that I think your significant other at the time,

like wasn't on board with it. And we hear this a lot. And it actually, it halts a lot of people's progress and sometimes derails them completely because the significant other is just not down with it. And they're like, you're going to probably get in great shape. I don't know how to do that. I don't have the discipline to do that. I thought we had an agreement. I thought we were going to both be fat together and now you're changing and you're leaving me. So you talk about that a bit. So it led to my divorce. It's the truth.

My ex-wife, if you ask her, she'll say what really led to your divorce and she'll tell you, you know, he started working out he started eating different and I wanted her to go along. You know, I would tell her to come to the gym and she'd say, I don't want to go to that stinky gym. You know, I really tried. But I was saving my own life. This is the difference. It wasn't like as though I wanted to look different because I wanted to attract girls or I wanted to fit in a pair of pants that I wore in high school.

Like I was dead. I was dying. If I if I stayed on that lifestyle, you and I wouldn't be having this. None of us would be having this conversation because I'd be dead. I was getting ready to have a pacemaker put in. I was 39 years old. And so, um, for me, it was okay. I'm going to save my own life. But to her, it was kind of like, I left her, like you're saying, you know, Oh, you know, and she even said those words to me. She said one time after I had lost like 100 pounds and she said to me, I like you better when you are fat. And I thought that was one of the most selfish things a person could say to you. If, in fact, you were on death's door and getting unfat was what saved you. So basically what you're saying to me is you'd like me better if I was dying.

So, yeah, it led to my divorce. I, you know, I maybe I didn't try hard enough to take her with me. Maybe I didn't, you know, I wasn't tactful enough in the way I invited her to go train with me and stuff like that. I got her to walk with me some days. She said I walked too fast. It was always something. And I remember her telling me, I hope you realize that you destroyed your family. Because I really started to focus on powerlifting.

I was living that life. I was eating that way. I was lifting every day. My body was changing right before my eyes. I was living that life. I was eating that way. I was lifting every day. My body was changing right before my eyes. I was getting... I remember the first time I squatted 450 pounds. I was like, oh my God. I was dying a few years ago and I just squatted 450 pounds. She didn't care. She didn't say good for you or I don't understand what that means. She became more and more resentful of me. And we actually went to

a marriage counselor at the very end. And she picked the marriage counselor, guys who go through a divorce and listen to me. Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. She was like, I'm going to pick the marriage counselor. I said, OK, that's fine. And we sat down with the marriage counselor. This is the first time we met with her. And she asked us questions. we spoke we answered those questions and she stood up and she said i see what's happened and my ex-wife said why and she said he got younger and you're getting older and she stood up and said this is bullshit and And she walked out. And keep in mind, she picked that marriage couch. It wasn't like I picked it. And she said to me,

I wrote her a check. She said, you've got your hands full. And I left. So it happened to me. And that's why on my show, I talk about, when I talk about HRT, I say to guys, if you're going to get on HRT, get your wife on HRT too. Because guess what? Your libido is going to come back and she's going to be like, leave me alone, dude. I'm an old woman.

You got to take this journey together. You got to allow this journey to bond you and not separate because it will, it will separate you. You know, it's when, when you're talking about this situation, it makes me like wonder because, okay, yeah, physically you were changing and getting younger, but from all the things that you told me that you've been talking to us about how like, you know, you own businesses or whatever you seemed, it, it sounds like you're already a really confident dude, you know? And what I, what I see and what I hear with a lot of guys is when they start making those changes, some people don't like the amount of confidence they gain because they're now more comfortable with their physicality and people don't like seeing you standing and walking upright rather than a slump. And now you have a little bit of a spring in your step and they don't have that. Was there also a

change with your confidence level or was it mainly just like physical and health and pretty much you were getting younger? I was always very calm. Yeah. Always very calm. But so again, to harken back to the young years of growing up in a neighborhood filled with wise guys and thugs, murderers, really. And, you know, I've always had that swagger. Because that's what the kids call it today, right? Swagger.

I've always had it. And when I lived in Las Vegas, it was even more pronounced. Because, you know, I was running with a cool... Like, my friend Nifty was Frank you know, I was, I was running with a cool, like my friend Nifty was Frank Sinatra's valet. I played basketball with, uh, with Tom Jones and his son. Like I was, I was rolling with a very hot group of people and you can't be a wallflower and hang out in that crowd because you're not going to last long. You're not going to walk. Why would you even want to be there? You know? And so I've, I've always had that confidence always, always.

Um, but I will say that what physical culture gave me, you know, a lot of that confidence was, um, was, uh, fake it till you make it back in the day. But when I became, I said this once on my show and there were a lot of people who got mad at me. I said, I was nothing until I was strong. And I really believed that. When I realized I could lift weight the way I was lifting it and people were in awe of what I was doing, I felt special because I knew that I was 1% of the population, especially the sick population that we have today. And I pushed my body. I mean, I've broken my body 1% of the population, especially the sick population that we have today. And I pushed my body.

I mean, I've broken my body a lot. I mean, I've had several surgeries to have muscles reattached. And, you know, I'm living with that stuff now. And it makes it hard for me to train. But when I get into the gym, that's my medicine. I lift just, I put as much effort into training today as I did back then. Because it makes me feel so fucking good. And I would do it.

If somebody said to me, you know what, you're not going to get any stronger. I wouldn't stop. I'd just keep on doing it. How did you learn about powerlifting and what made you, like you mentioned, finding out some information about weightlifting and how it can help heal the heart, basically. How did you like find out about it? Because it's not the easiest thing to just go and do. So back then there was no real Internet, but there were these message boards, right, where people would post. They look like email threads, you know, and I lied and said I was a physician and I joined a couple of these message boards and I just started lurking. And I would ask questions about anybody got to study about this? Because I knew I had to fix my, I knew that a decade of horrible lifestyle and wrong foods and being slow to go ruined my heart. and being slow to go ruined my home. And I read a book by Deepak Chopra. It was called Ageless Beauty, Timeless Mind. And the only thing I remembered was I was reading the book, like, not even interested. And then he said, every cell in your body is replaced by a new cell,

depending on the type of tissue, anywhere from six months to three years. Bone takes the longest to turn over. And I thought, okay, I got all these sick cells in my heart. They're going to be replaced. What do I do to make sure that when they're replaced, they're replaced with healthy, strong cells? And so I started reading about cardiac remodeling. And when I found this one study that showed that power lifters undergo dramatic cardiac remodeling because of something that we all call Valsalva. But because when you lift heavy weight, people don't realize when you squatted that thousand pounds, your blood pressure probably went up to a thousand over 900 momentarily.

People would think, oh my God, that'll kill you. But no, when you progressively experience Valsalva day in, day out, week in, week out, month in, month out for years, that'll kill you. But no, when you progressively experience Valsalva day in, day out, week in, week out, month in, month out for years, the plumbing gets stronger. The arteries and the veins, they get thicker and stronger and they stay pliable. The heart becomes bigger and stronger. It upgrades the pump. And I thought, that's what I need. I need to upgrade this fucking pump. How do I do that? And then I learned about resistance training that led to powerlifting because powerlifters undergo the greatest cardiac remodeling of any athlete in the world. And then when you roll anabolic steroids in, it happens even faster. So then I was like, okay, I got to learn about anabolic steroids. And early in the day, I was a pussy. I didn't want to inject anything.

So there are papers on the internet right now authored by a guy named Triceptor, T-R-I-C-E-P-T-O-R. My son picked that name when he was a kid, called Home Brewing with Flow Gel Ultra. And I was making topical testosterone and Trenbolone back in the day. And that paper is still out there. It still shows you how to homebrew, how to get up to 200 milligrams a milliliter into flow gel ultra. Wow. All right. Like, okay. That's amazing. That is amazing. Um, let me ask you this because, uh, when, especially at the time when you were getting into powerlifting, actually, I'm not, I'm not necessarily sure what the, what was going on back then, but people are usually

very, like you said, you were too scared of putting a needle into yourself. So how soon did you start incorporating drugs into what you were doing when you were trying to get healthier? Was it a few years after? Was it? Two years later. So I started out just training and then i came upon a study that showed that uh russian weightlifters uh

hearts under grew underwent this remodeling and anabolic steroids made it happen faster and the danger of prolonged effects stopped as soon as they stopped training and stopped using the steroids, their hearts went back to the normal rates and sizes. Now, keep in mind, back then we were able to buy five diol, you know, androstenediol, androstenedione. We had all these fantastic, what are considered designer supplement steroids now, but we were buying them for one fast 400, you know, websites like that. And I was making that stuff into transdermis. you know, websites like that. And I was making that stuff into transdermals. Because it doesn't, only two and a half percent of the raw powder that you ate actually got into your bloodstream. But I was getting 30% in by rubbing this stuff on my chest, my quads. I mean, you know, that was pretty cool. But yeah, about two years in, I started to experiment with drugs

and it was a game changer. You're mentioning anabolics helping and expediting the process in healing your heart. That sounds very unconventional because I think most of the time people associate anabolic steroids with maybe speeding up the process of having a heart attack. No, it's not true. And so the medical orthodoxy doesn't want to recognize the benefits of these sex hormones. And that's really what they are. Many of them are derivatives of testosterone, 19-nore testosterone, and other molecules like that. So if people understood that steroids are not dangerous, because in the words of John Romano in your brother's documentary, where are all the dead bodies?

I mean, at any given time, there's probably 10 million guys on a steroid cycle in the United States. 10 million. Where are all the dead bodies if it kills people so easily? And I think people start to realize that it's a lot of bullshit, you know. But back then, yeah, you're right. They were telling people, oh, this stuff will give you a heart attack. And it, and you know, what gives you a heart attack? Trying to go through life with low testosterone. Heart failure is absolutely guaranteed. I've done shows about it, but, um, you know, I was scared back then.

I have to be honest. I wasn't sure. Uh, but once I started using these things, I realized that it was very wrong because I wasn't getting sick. I was getting better. I was getting stronger. So, yeah, it's a lot of bullshit. Now it's starting to come out because of the HRT world. How is your heart nowadays? That was you were 39 then. How old are you now? Sixty two. Oh. And how's the ticker? As strong as it can be. I mean, it's great. I mean, I don't even question my heart anymore.

It's like that was my focus back then. Now it's working around injuries because I've pushed my body so hard. People are like, oh, you see, this is what happens when you work out. No, it's not. It happens when you're an idiot and you just think you can keep going on a linear fashion. But no, my heart is very strong. What was tougher to adopt? The fitness regimen or learning about nutrition and finding the right diet?

Nutrition is everything. The weightlifting and all that sort of stuff, so many ways to build muscle and strength, it's just ridiculous. You look at guys like Lee Haney, stimulate, don't annihilate. Then you look at the other end of the spectrum, Ronnie Coleman,

one of the strongest bodybuilders, pound for pound to ever live. And everything in between. I think Dr. Brad Schoenfeld has published enough studies that show that I don't care what you're doing, high reps, low weight, as long as you're using 35% of your one rep maximum, you can build muscle and you can build strength.

So people say, well, what's the difference between that guy and me? Well, the difference is that that guy who you see in the gym and you go, ah, this guy looks amazing. He's eating right every day, every week, every month, every year for decades. And that's the hard part. I'm teaching my nephew this right now. He's put on almost 11 pounds in like eight weeks. He's young. He's 18 years old. I got him eating 3,000 calories a day. He's getting 250, 300 grams of protein a day. He's staying under 60 grams of carbohydrates.

He's not putting on body fat. He's at the anabolic threshold of his life at 18 years old. He said to me the other day, I'm so tired of eating eggs. I'm so tired of eating beef. I said, exactly. This is what separates the guys who get fucking strong and look amazing and you. If you give up, you can't be one of them. The hard part of this game, I don't care if you're a bodybuilder, powerlifter, football player,

if strength is important to you, the hard part of this game is eating it's a fucking job it's like work i'm curious about um when it comes like you just mentioned your nephew's nutrition 60 grams of carbs uh i'm guessing quite a bit more fat and a lot of protein but i've heard you before talk about you know like a lot of individuals you know doing keto and doing that for the rest of their lives but that it's actually better to transition to between diets for certain reasons. Now, let's talk about the person that's trying to grow, right? What would you suggest to them in terms of diet if they're like, you know, I want to do keto and get bigger, or I want to do low carb and get bigger? What would your suggestion be there in terms of the diet to try to stick to? Keto is hard to get big on. There's plenty of research

that shows that. Is it impossible? Absolutely not. But it's hard. Insulin has to be there if you want to get bigger. Insulin is a very, very important anabolic hormone. When used properly, it will make your muscles fucking grow. When used improperly, it'll stimulate lipogenesis. It'll stimulate new fat. And finding the middle ground is hard. What I have learned over the past almost 16 years is that there is no one diet. And that's why I'm becoming more and more of a fan of Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale. If we look at ourselves from an evolutionary perspective, we didn't have vegetables all year long.

So there were long periods of time, depending on the climate you grew up in, where you were eating animals. I think that Stefan's son showed this with the Inuit, and he tried to reduplicate it. Fat is a very, very important thing. You can get by with low carbs. And in fact, I really think from both a muscle gaining perspective and a longevity and health perspective, keeping carbs low is magic. Eating your carbs around your workout to turn on that insulin, I think makes a lot of sense. And the rest of the day, focus on protein and fat. I also think that we have intermittent fasting

backwards. So if you look at evolution, it's true. When we woke up in the morning, we probably had some nuts and some berries to start the day. And then we went looking, looking to kill an animal, looking to find more berries and nuts or find a plant or find a honey hive and eat all the fucking honey we could while we're there. But the reality is that many of us remember from the early bodybuilding research, a term called fed state. And it was theorized that being in a fed state allows your body to get rid of body fat. From an evolutionary perspective, when you're eating every five, six hours, your body goes, wow, we are living in a world of abundance. There's no need to keep all this fat around. We get fed every fucking two and a half, three hours.

So your body slowly lets the fat go away. Insulin is there, but it's pretty stable throughout the day. So I've come around to also recognize that food is one of the cues for circadian rhythm. So yeah, daylight is really important. Get the light in your eyes. I step out on my porch every morning, whether it's overcast or not, I want to get daylight in my eyes. That triggers the circadian rhythm from the suprachiasmatic nuclei. But you have all these other body clocks that have to synchronize with that. And those are turned on by the first meal. So I'm starting to think a more logical way to employ intermittent fasting would be to have your first meal in the morning, but stop eating earlier

in the day. Maybe have your last meal at five, because you want that 16-hour window that triggers autophagy and prevents you from getting Alzheimer's disease. And also we know autophagy is very important for the anabolic response. That's why guys who practice feast and famine see their muscles continue to grow. So I think that people need to start experimenting, especially if your sleep is shitty. Try having that first meal in the morning, you know, maybe right after you do your fasted cardio,

if that's what you want to do, but start getting all your calories in the eight hour window that ends at 5 PM and then stop eating earlier. I find it funny that like, we just had a guest yesterday, Dr. Alan Flanagan. And he would like, he's echoing some of the same things that you're mentioning

right now in terms of kind of maybe switching that up and not eating late into the evening. Because that's what I do. I usually fast during the day and my meals are at night. But two guys in a row are like, you might not want to do that, buddy. I'm just like, shit. But just look at it from an evolutionary perspective. When sun went down, we weren't eating. If we had those berries and nuts, we weren't going out because if we went out in the dark, we became food. There's so much to get to with all the different diets that you tried, but what was the, uh, what was the diet that you utilized in the beginning?

When you first started when you're 39. I started off with like the things that Geronda focused on. In fact, I just ordered four gallons of raw and pasteurized milk today because of the show I did with Joel. I was a huge proponent of raw and pasteurized milk for decades, but I stopped drinking it because I couldn't get it anymore here in Louisville. I think that Geronda really had it right. I really do. You know, the quality of food is more important, quite frankly, than the food itself.

Right. And he was a huge fan of raw cream, raw unpasteurized milk, raw eggs. People are all fucked up about Avidin. Oh, it blocks B vitamins. It's like, well, just don't fucking have that B vitamin in your gut while the raw eggs are in there, and then you don't have a problem with absorption. It's really easy to manage

that shit. And we ate raw eggs before we ate cooked eggs. Let's be honest. We really did. So, I like Jiranda's approach. Lots of small meals throughout the day, focusing on high quality fats and high quality proteins and sticking to as much natural as you can. And I still believe that that's really a good way. And he was a low, excuse me, he was a low carb guy forever.

He was always a low carb guy. And we know now that low carbohydrate diets can actually reverse brain aging. Like, does it get any fucking more apparent that that's the right way to eat i know a lot of people uh you know are are suffering with you know things like diabetes and and being pre-diabetic and having you know blood glucose problems and it appears that uh being diabetic for a period of time uh it leads can can also lead to dementia and Alzheimer's and stuff. What are some things that you've seen in doing your podcast? What is the correlation between those two,

and how can people maybe make some changes and reverse some of this? It's undeniable, first of all. Cancer. So cancer and heart disease are a byproduct of insulin resistance. Dementia is a byproduct of insulin resistance. So, if we wanted to, we could take all of these different diseases of modernity, and 90% of them pushed them all under type 2 diabetes. Because type 2 diabetics get all these things. And it's undeniable.

Dr. Dale Bredesen, he was on my show twice. He wrote a great book, An End to Alzheimer's, after two great studies he did where he's not allowed to say he reversed Alzheimer's because medical orthodoxy won't let him say that. But he reversed it. Yeah, he reversed it. He reversed all the symptoms. The guys were going, they went back and started new businesses after being in his program.

What did he do? Low, low carbohydrate diet, got them on HRT, made sure that there was a minimum of a three hour window of time from their last meal to when they went to bed. All the things that we're talking about on this show are also the answers to not getting sick. And more importantly, they are the answers to aging better. I think they said maybe by like 20, I think they were saying by like 2050 or something with the direction that we're heading now, uh, that like more than half the population will suffer from dementia and Alzheimer's. And I cannot think of a worse thing.

You know, we were just mentioning how, you know, you're, you're, you know, when you, when you die, you know, you're not going to remember, you know, a lot of the things that happened, but imagine just having the last, uh, you know, five, 10 years of your life lived with your brain erased, but you're still alive. I mean, I'd rather be dead. You know, you don't know who your, who your wife is. You don't know who your kids are. I mean, and it seems to be just brutal for the families to go through. The last time I saw my mother, the caretaker walked me in and said, Florence,

your son is here. And she looked at me and she looked at the woman and said, I don't have a son. And that was heartbreaking to me. Because there's nothing worse than seeing your mother or your father and them not recognizing who you are. It's tragic. And people are getting Alzheimer's disease at a younger and younger age now. And there was a movie a few years ago that won an Academy Award

called something like I'm Still Alice or some shit like that. It was about a woman who like in her late 30s, early 40s got type 2, I mean she got Alzheimer's disease and how tragic it was for her family to watch her go through that. And the worst part of all this

stuff is, and I piss people off when I say this, but it's the truth. So fucking hate me for it. 90% of the diseases that we have today are brought upon by people themselves, by their dietary habits, not respecting their sleep, not exercising and moving more. And it's like, I get it. I get it. It's hard to do all this shit. But look at the alternative. I get it. I get it. It's hard to do all this shit. But look at the alternative. You're going to fucking be sick and die long earlier than you want to. And the worst thing that we can have right now, believe it or not, and I'm not being political, is socialized medicine, because this government doesn't give a fuck. They're paying attention. They look they know everybody's getting sicker, younger and younger. And then they come up with this stupid my plate and all this other bullshit they want you to eat all these cereal grains because they need their money back from the farmers it's like they don't give a fuck they they don't care if you die

if you die sooner they take more of your belongings as it gets dispersed to your to your family so you know i've said on my show for the better part of a decade, evolution is still happening. One of the new selection pressures is where you get your information from. Because if you choose to listen to the Today Show where they say, oh, popcorn is a great thing to eat before bed, you'll fuck. You'll be farting all night. You'll be farting all night, but you're going to feed your dementia and your type 2 diabetes and everything else. So where you get information from is critical. What you choose to believe and make decisions on.

What do you think is making these things so difficult for people? Like why? It seems like my show, we present some simple ideas. It seems like some people get some stuff from it. It seems like the show that you've been doing for a long time. I'm sure there's been, between the two shows, I'm sure there's been many, many people that have been positively impacted. And that's amazing. But what do you think is amiss on some of these other individuals?

Is it that they think it's too hard? Are people just, are they too hungry and craving too much? They have the wrong, maybe they have the wrong interpretation of what a healthy diet looks like. When you were doing your diet and you lost over a hundred pounds, were you any significantly hungrier in that timeframe than you were when you were 300 plus pounds? Because I know for myself, I was hungry when I was fat, which doesn't really make sense because you figure like, I'm checking that box every day pretty good with a lot of food, right? Where do you think people are off maybe? I think it's two things. One of them is the

evolutionary edict to consume energy while conserving. Okay. Uh, I did a show, uh, with, um, about, about, uh, evolution with, um, Dr. Daniel Lieberman. He wrote a fantastic book called the story of the human body. If you haven't read it, you must read it. Um, and we were talking about this phenomenon and he said, Carl, if we went to a country where we still have indigenous people living a lifestyle, not a modern lifestyle, but the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, and there were two coconut trees side by side. And one, they had a climb, but we put an escalator next to the other one. They'd all start taking the escalator because we are designed to consume fuel and conserve energy. So if we can get the food easier, we're going to get the food easier because we we've spent more time in an environment where famine was a real potential. Yeah. Would you rather hunt or just walk over to your refrigerator? Exactly. I would say that's the first thing. So that was one story that I would put. And if

you juxtapose that to magical thinking, I talked to, I did an interview with a scientist from the UK and she had published a study looking at how many near death experiences someone have to experience before they actually change their behavior and eliminate the risk of behavior. You know how many times it is? I would say probably three. It is three. It is three. That's exactly right. You're the first person to ever guess it. Third time's a charm. So they looked at a stretch smoker who had been diagnosed with cancer.

They looked at drug addicts who had been almost OD'd. And they looked at all these people. And what they determined was that when you're having a near-death experience, you say, oh, God, please, if you let me live, I promise I'll stop smoking. I'll stop the heroin. Just let me live, God. Just let me live. And you live. And for a few heroin. Just let me live, God. Just let me live. And you live. And for a few months, you actually tighten up your game. But then you go, what's the chances

of it happening the second time? And then you go back. And the average person goes back three times. They die the third time. And so we are endowed as a species also from evolution with magical thinking. Yeah, I can get out of this cave and go pick that apple and get back in here before that saber-toothed tiger over there reaches me. It's been part of what's enabled us to have the trajectory we've had, that we think that there's something magical about this, something special about this, something that says, yeah, that guy, that guy, that guy, and that guy all died from cancer from cigarette smoking, but not me. And I think when you take those two phenomenons and you marry them, you realize that the reason people aren't willing to change their game and get healthy is because, their program not to and b they don't believe it's going to be bad for them what's up everybody this episode of mark bell's power project podcast

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And if your order is $99 more, you get free two day shipping. I'm curious about you looking through things through an evolutionary lens, because I think that like some people listen to that and they're like, well, we're not living back then. We're not living a hundred thousands of years ago. We're in this time. So like we need to do things differently. But why do you do that? Like, why do you look at things through that way, even though we're in a different time? And what's the strength of that? Also to add onto that, are there, you know, cause you, I guess you can't look through absolutely everything through an evolutionary lens, right? So how do you kind of, how do you toggle that?

Like, how do you, what's your way of thinking about it in a sensible way? So I look at, the only time I use the evolutionary perspective is when something seems counterintuitive. And then I say, well, how would this have served us through evolution? I don't necessarily look at everything I do through the evolutionary lens. I do look at things that seem to not make sense. To not make sense. And then you go to the evolution of the human being and you see why. Oh, well, I can see why that would make sense.

So, for instance, I'm 14 percent Northern African. You probably can't tell from this image, but I'm very dark. OK. And so why am I dark? Well, because my ancestors spent a lot of time in the sun and the body has to regulate the amount of vitamin D produced. And how it does this is by increasing melanin in the skin. And so why would that be important? Well, it would be important because if vitamin D gets too high, it can be toxic. And so if I'm protein. So that if I do produce too much D3, the binding protein is going to lock it up and keep it from having an effect on me. So that means that if I want to see a modest rise in orally administered vitamin D3, I got to take 20 fucking thousand IUs of it. Where some guy whose family comes from blue-eyed, blonde-haired Scandinavia, he could take a thousand IUs of that same vitamin D and hit the same numbers as me. So this makes sense from an

evolutionary perspective when you think about, oh, I get it because my people spent a lot of time in the fucking sun. Now, let's look at skin cancer for a second. And let's look at it through the evolutionary lens. So we know that people who live by the close to the equator, they don't have near the skin cancer rates that we have here in the United States. And in fact, there's a study out there that I talked about probably 10 years ago that looked at transplanted African people who came from Africa and moved to the United States and developed skin cancer.

He said, what the fuck is going on here? And then you go, well, let's look at what really is different. Is the sun that shines on the United States different than the sun that shines in Africa? No. In fact, the African sun should be more dangerous because you're closer to the equator. It's closer to the ground. There's less filtration through the clouds. It's a hotter, more dangerous sun. Well, then why aren't they getting skin cancer? Oh, wait, it's their fucking diet. And people go to me, well, how can you say that diet causes skin cancer? I say, the sun is

an unwilling participant in skin cancer. Any more than we can say that book of matches is going to start a house fire. No, sitting there, it's not. You pick it up and you light the match and put it to the drapes, you've got a house fire. So we're going to say, oh, all books of matches start house fires. No, they don't. So how does skin cancer evolve from our diet? Because we know that there are things we can eat that will protect us

from skin cancer, like astaxanthin, canthaxanthin. They tell people, take that before you go to the beach and protect your DNA being damaged from the sun. So you're telling me that I can eat things that'll protect me from getting skin cancer, but now you're telling me that the sun is the sole reason for skin cancer. Maybe it's the new fangled artificial shit we're filling our body with that's also getting into our skin and turns on oncogenes when it fucking gets heated up. And this, you know, these are the things that I look at from an evolutionary perspective. How could the sun be bad for us? We fucking spent a million years under the sun. All of a sudden it's bad for us.

When did it become bad for us? Oh, wait, maybe it's the shit we're eating. That's also changed. The sun hasn't changed. So these are the kinds of things that I look at from an evolutionary perspective to try to debunk.

Like, why would this happen this way? Why would i produce a less response from the oral vitamin d i take than the blonde kid blue eyed kid oh i get it from an evolutionary perspective my people overproduce vitamin d i heard you mention a couple times now magical thinking i think this needs to be a book of yours what is this magical thinking just reinterpreting the way you look at things um it's it's worse than that it's imagining that there's special powers at work in your personal circumstances it's worse than it's not just looking at the way

uh you know look looking at things it's really really dangerous. Magical thinking is very, very dangerous. I'm a big fan of spirituality, but magical thinking crosses over to some of the orthodox religions. We believe in stuff that probably isn't true because it's magic. It is a dangerous, it served us well at a time. It really did. Like I said, we would do things that we believed we could do, and we've pushed the envelope, and we pushed it pretty far. But it's also dangerous when it's used inappropriately. Like, oh yeah, I can start shooting heroin, and I'm not going to die from it. Yeah, life can be confusing at times, and maybe people overthinking, like, why are we here, and so forth? And maybe that's, you know, where, you know, some religion and things like that have kind of come into play and different beliefs and different things that we've done over the years.

Just so it's like, hey, let's not really think about that too much. This is actually the way that it is. Yeah. And, you know, I did a TV show here in Kentucky called superhuman television. I did it for a season and I was actually on a Christian TV station. And the first from 6am in the morning till 12, when my show came on, it was all these shows about prayer. And then my show came on and obviously I'm a guy who's talking talking about evolution like if you're a religious person you probably don't believe in evolution i had the largest audience on that

station other than the the news and i realized that there's a lot of people who are spiritual but they get it they understand that you know evolution was a real thing i can still believe in jesus and i can still pray but let me not ignore things just because it doesn't fit my dog. So, yeah. So you've, you've changed your body. You've gotten healthy. Uh, you've learned a bunch of shit throughout your whole, uh, you know, life. What's pushing you today to keep, uh, you know, searching and seeking out, you know, maybe not answers, but just learning all kinds of new, interesting things. You check out superhuman radio and you're always digging up something new, whether it be peptides or just literally things that the normal general population's not really even,

they can't even fathom some of the things that you discover. I just really love learning. Really. I mean mean I was going to make a joke And say well my head's so big I gotta put shit in it But I just really Love learning I think the greatest teachers In the world are Perpetual students

And I just I get every day something Fascinates me something new in science Fascinates me like holy shit And I just get really excited by it. I mean, that's really probably a dull answer. I know I'm supposed to say, well, I really just want to help people. And don't get me wrong. I do want to help people, but I want to learn new shit. And I say, hey, come along. Come on. Let's go learn together. There's no one in my audience that couldn't do my job

because all the people that listen to my show are fascinated by new stuff. And I don't think there's anything special about me. I think those of us who love to fucking learn, that's who we are. That's what we're about. What, uh, what magical thinking have you had, uh, that has been deflated that has been, you know, you had someone on the show and you had this thinking of like, well, this is just the way this works. And you thought that this thing worked this very specific way. And someone came on the show and said something and you're like, that's some total bullshit. I don't believe this guy at all.

Then you went to research it a little bit. Then maybe you even implemented it yourself. And you're like, holy shit. Lo and behold, that son of a bitch is right. You haven't seen any things like that? Well, that's not magical thinking per se, but yes, I have lots of moments like that. Lots of moments like that. Because one of the things that I pride myself on is that I'm not an expert at anything. I'm not an expert. And that frees me to change my mind. You know, there's a lot of guys out there that are experts and they'll say, this is it. And then

they have to protect it. They have to defend it and they miss opportunities to fucking learn. So not being an expert really has served me very well. I'm not a guru. I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy trying to get through this life and learn how to be as strong and age as well as possible. And if we can all learn together, come with me. So but that's not magical thinking. That's just my I think that that's how science should be. I think scientific process, you shouldn't feel like you have to predict what you you've learned because it's always changing. Right. But magical thinking, I've never been a fan of magic.

I really haven't. And I think I got this from my mother. My mother was a real no bullshit kind of person. And and early on, like so I was raised Catholic. I went to a parochial school. And early on, I started to see the falsehoods in the religion. Why would God make this child be born with some sort of physical problem? Why would Jesus want that woman to get cancer? And, you know, if you talk to priests about this, which I did when I was young, I would question, well, they give you these answers. Well, God wouldn't give you, you know, a burden that you couldn't handle. And it's like, come on, give me a fucking break. You got two Catholic football teams getting ready to hit the scrimmage. They both say the same prayers. They both say them to the same God. Why did one win and not the other? Why would God betray the one team and favor the other team? And these things started to become and went to church at St. Lucy's Church in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, but I went to nativity school. And so we went to church at St. Lucy's. That was my family church. In fact, my grandparents helped build it. They were brick masons.

And one day, the principal of nativity asked my mother to come to the school. And she came up there and she said, look, you know, you guys aren't coming to church here. So you're going to have to tithe anyway. And she sent my mother home with a stack of envelopes and said, just send your donation in every Monday with Carl. And I said to my mother when we were on the way home, I says, I don't understand it. I mean, isn't Jesus at our church and their church, too? Like, why do we have to send money to their church? She goes, it's a racket.

She said, it's all a racket. All they care about is money. And all of a sudden I thought to myself, well, wait a minute. If that's a racket, what else is a racket like within the context of of the religion? And all of a sudden, like it was like somebody gave me truth to him. And I looked and I saw, oh, my God, it's all bullshit. And that was it for me. Like, you know, I couldn't I couldn't be down with it just to be down with it. I couldn't like, OK, well, I'm going to believe anyway.

So I've never been a fan of magical thinking. And I really have to thank my mother for that, she showed me that there's no magic in anything. It's what you do and what you choose to believe and make sure that you're a critical thinker. Be a critical thinker. Look at this stuff, add it up. If it doesn't add up to be the number they're telling you, then they're fucking wrong, not you.

Have the courage of your convictions to stick with what you think. And I do that today. I tell people if I fucking die, I'm going to die by my choices, not some fucking doctors. fight with him and you're like, I don't even know what we're fighting about anymore, but he just, he doesn't care. He just like could take the opposite side and like, he's gonna, he's gonna throw some stuff your way. Um, what are some things maybe in, in, in the process of going through all this and, and, uh, regaining your health and getting connected to your fitness and doing, uh, you know, uh, these diets and things like that on top of doing this podcast for so long, what are some things that have really been transformative,

like two or three things that have really changed things for you? Was it a particular guest on the show? Was it a particular moment where you were learning about lifting or things like that that really stand out? So the first one was Randy Roach, who remains to be a very good friend of mine all these years later. Randy Roach wrote three books, Muscle, Smoke, and Murals. Oh, you told me about this book. Yeah. Fantastic. And they're like textbooks. If you had a physical culture class in school,

school. These would be your textbooks. And he detailed the nutritional, what do I want to say? Fathers of physical culture, Armin Taney, Jack LaLanne, you know, Vince Gironda, these guys understood nutrition better than doctors. Did you did you know Eugene Sandow, the statue of the Olympia, Mr. Olympia? He was nominated to be the health minister in the UK by King. Edward. I think it was. And the doctors in the UK were pissed off. They're like, well, we're doctors. We're learning. Yeah, because he understands how to fucking stay alive and stay healthy. You guys only know how to treat people who are sick. And so the nutritional origins, what donated to people by the fathers of physical culture, they understood that food mattered. What you ate mattered. When you ate, it mattered. Because

they could get lean and ripped and muscular, and average people couldn't. Don't forget, back in the day, everybody was skinny. We didn't have obesity yet. And so reading Muscle, Smoke, and Mirrors changed my direction of my show. Because the first year I started doing my show was all about bodybuilding. But then it became physical culture because I knew that bodybuilding was this splinter faction of physical culture. Physical culture was just so much bigger, so much more important, and really a lot more mainstream than bodybuilding ever was. That book changed everything for me. The second book that changed everything for me was a book called Of Doves, Diplomats, and Diabetes by a doctor in India called Dr. Malind Wati. Fucking game changer.

This is when I started to really think, wow, evolution matters. Evolution matters. And that, once again, changed the direction of my thought and my show. And then the last book was Dr. Daniel Lieberman's book, The Story of the Human Body, because that was the first timeabetes book was discussing because I had the examples in front of me of what human passage was like through evolution. And that's, that was those three moments and books changed the direction of the show, each of them in their own way. I'm curious about this because, I mean, you've mentioned it a few times so far and maybe we'll be able to kind of wrap back around, but you've, you mentioned like HRT quite a bit. Um, and now that's super, super, super popular. A lot of men are getting HRT and you even suggested if you're a guy and you have a wife, get her on HRT too. Um, but how does one know, like, even if they're like 45, 50, let's say they're

healthy, but how do they know if it's something that they need to do first off? But secondly, when doing it, how can you do that in a way that it potentially doesn't end up being somewhat dangerous and dangerous? What I mean is like doctor doing a little bit too much or giving somebody a little bit too much and causes some issues. So there's a broad response that I can give to this, and I want to make sure that I pay it the time that it deserves. Because HRT is possibly one of the greatest things, medical therapies of our time. And the reality is from an evolutionary perspective, women were able to have babies later than they can today.

And chances are men's testosterone level didn't drop the way they are today. I can point that lab assays, you know, when I started doing this, and I'm going to come around and answer your question but I just kind of want to set the table when I when I started looking at HRT it was the result of performance enhancing drugs kind of not letting me get back to a reasonable I tried for a year and a half to kind of get back my normal testosterone level but by then I was too deep down the rabbit hole and they weren't going to come back. But back then, the baseline for testosterone in men was 480 nanograms a deciliter. And then they moved it down to 380 about four or five years later. Today, it's 320. Now, keep in mind that women's top end is pretty close to 200. And so there's something going on in our population.

Younger and younger men are having lower and lower testosterone, and it's a lot going on in the environment, and it's a lot with their diet and blah, blah, blah. And that's a whole other topic. lot with their diet and blah, blah, blah. And that's a whole other topic. So, because people say, well, if you're such an evolutionary perspective performer, then why would you even want to do HRT? Well, because you don't want to be stupid and ignore something just because they didn't do it, you know, 40 million years ago, whatever. We want to pay attention to the changes and seize the opportunities to fix shit that we can fix. With that being said, I would tell everybody, I just had a conversation with a guy today about this, he emailed. Like HRT should be administered by a doctor. And that doctor should not have a cookie cutter approach. If you go to a doctor and he does your lab work and you have symptoms, okay, like that's

a prerequisite. You have to have some symptoms. Now, symptoms could be overt or covert. In other words, they may be symptoms that you recognize, like lack of energy, libido is going away. You're starting to show signs of insulin resistance. Testosterone fixes all those. um, anxiety, testosterone fixes those. So you go to the doctor and you say, I have symptoms and he checks your blood working. Wow. You know,

you're in the low end of what is considered normal, which my humble opinion is not normal anymore. It's normal for a sick population. Um, And then he wants to administer HRT. Well, the appropriate thing for him to do is to introduce a form of testosterone, get you on it for six months, and then do lab work again. And then if you're converting a lot of it to estradiol, maybe introduce a reasonable aromatase inhibitor regimen. If you're converting a lot of it to DHT and you're like, man, my fucking hair's falling out, maybe find a way to reduce 5-alpha reduction, but not finasteride. No man should ever take finasteride. Never. You can lower DHT by taking progesterone,

small amounts of it, 50 milligrams of progesterone. it will reduce 5-alpha reductase in tissue, and boom, your DHC goes down. But what I say is, if you go into a doctor and he says, okay, we checked your blood work, you're kind of low, so here's your testosterone, 250 milligrams a week, which is not horrible, that's actually good. Most doctors don't understand the pharmacokinetics of testosterone, cypionate, and N-anthate. You get 50% of it in the first four days to balance it over the next 25 days. So if you just do a shot once a week of 250, that's not a bad deal. But if they're doing 250 every two weeks, you're spending a lot of time with the testosterone levels of a 14-year-old girl. So with that being said,

he gives you the 250 milligrams of an anthate, and he says, okay, and here's an aromatase inhibitor, here's finasteride. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I haven't even taken testosterone yet. Why are you prescribing an aromatase inhibitor and a DHT blocker? Like, you don't even know if I'm a fucking aromatizer. You don't even know if I'm, you know, those of us with dark skin, we make more DHT than fair skin people.

Like that's a dangerous sign. If a doctor comes in and says, well, this is what we give all our patients go, well, I'm not going to be one of your patients. I'm going to find somebody else. Um, 200 to 250 milligrams a week of testosterone should be adequate for HRT, but some of us need more. People are going to go, oh no. You know, the greatest gift you can give your children is if they're 25 years old, have complete a lab assay done on their hormones and say, keep this for when you turn older. Because some of us had high testosterone levels as young men. And now that they're shifting, you know, the top and bottom to be a sick population, like I take 400 milligrams of testosterone, uh, uh, sipionate a week. Now

I feel the fucking best. I've tried lower. Don't feel good, have symptoms. So I need more testosterone because I probably had more testosterone when I was young. We don't fit into this fucking box. Oh yeah, this is high and this is low. This is where you need to be. They don't know where you need to be. It's all a shooting mat unless your symptoms start to go away. So I would say, make sure you find the doctor that treats you individually. But he starts out with blood work. He introduces testosterone for a minimum of six months and then looks at your blood work again and goes, oh, you're fine. We're just going to keep you there.

And then the other thing I would say is HCG is an absolute necessity if you're a guy and you're going to be on testosterone for the rest of your life. Because your gonads make other things besides testosterone. But testosterone will shut your gonads down and they stop making other things too. This is why guys feel great the first year. And then the second year they go, you know, I just don't feel as good. You know, your gonads make androstenediol, which actually has an effect on the adrenal glands. It gives you energy. And all of a sudden they go, I don't have the energy I had before. So HCG is very important because it keeps the gonads making all of these other very important hormones that seem to dry up when you just stay on testosterone by itself but a lot of guys can

just get by with testosterone and hcg and maybe filling in a little dhea the longer they're on by by the way just real quick you know what would your normal levels of testosterone be? Because now we have these levels of the sick population. That's what we see. What do those low level of the actual normal and the high level of that, what does that look like? There is evidence out there that back in the day when we first discovered testosterone, that a lot of men had testosterone levels close to the 2000 nanogram level. And today that's only achieved with testosterone. But when Jack's injectable.

Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, you go out and, you know, kill an animal with your bare hands or with a knife and you, you know, eat, tear that shit off the bone with your teeth. It probably, you know, it probably does some stuff to you. You're just oozing testosterone at that point. Yeah. And you probably had to be like violent, you know? Yeah. You had to practice a lot of things that we just don't need any of it anymore.

It's unnecessary. Feminizing men today. We don't like masculine men anymore. They're not popular. The PC culture wants you gone if you're masculine. They want feminized men they want you to wear your your little fucking uh boat oh on top with your man bun and you know we have guys that are saying they're having periods now oh no yeah no what what does uh hrt i think it's very much undersold. And I know in your research, you've come across this a lot.

You know, it's great that it does stuff for our body. That makes you feel awesome. It does great, you know, that it helps with you lifting more weight in the gym. But what is it doing for our brain? It's a profound effect on the brain. I mean, so first of all, the brain has a lot of aromatase in it. And if you have a head trauma, it produces estradiol from testosterone and DHEA to suppress swelling. If you don't have DHEA and testosterone, it can't work. And so that's why I say like MMA fighters,

they should all fucking be tested and all be on testosterone because they get their bell rung six or seven times in a fight with a kick. And, you know, and listen, it's well documented that Muhammad Ali had a thyroid problem in some of his later fights, like with Joe Frazier. And generally when your thyroid is low, your testosterone is low, too. And he developed what's known as Parkinsonopugilista, which is Parkinson's disease type symptoms from getting hit in the head. So testosterone is very important to protecting the brain for men. Real Parkinson's disease happens to men more frequently when they have low testosterone because they're not converting it to estradiol in the brain. So, you know, it's a profound, look, there's a reason why we have testosterone. There's a reason why women produce estradiol, but men produce estradiol too. We get it from our testosterone. It has profound effects on cognition. There was a study done,

it has profound effects on cognition. There was a study done. You know that old saying, the most dangerous animal in the jungle is an old animal. Well, as men get old and testosterone drops, they start to question their response time. There was a study done quite a long time ago on police officers. I want to say in Dallas, Texas.

It's been so long since I read the study. But their reaction time was much slower when compared to the testosterone levels. If they had low testosterone, their reaction time is a lot slower. So you take a guy who's put into a dangerous situation, he's got a gun and he's not responding quickly. He's more likely to pull that gun out and shoot somebody because he has no backup. He doesn't know what to do. Testosterone is profoundly important. And it's also not responsible for rage. People like to talk about roid rage. It's bullshit. You take an asshole on beer, he's a bigger asshole on beer. You take an asshole on testosterone, he's a bigger asshole on higher testosterone. Assholes will be assholes and they'll blame it on something else, always. With that being said, the reality is that they did a study with rodents. And they gave rodents a testosterone probe. But they gave them like the equivalent of 100 milligrams a day, which is like a thousand times what a man has.

By the way, they castrated these rodents first. I missed that. Then they put them in their cages with their prospective other friendly rodents, and they intimidated them. They did things to them. They antagonized them. These rodents did not become aggressive. But when the threat was real and they became aggressive, the aggression was like a thousand times faster and harder than the rodents that were not supplemented. Which means that testosterone doesn't make you a dick, but if someone fucks with you, you're going to come down on them a lot harder. And what's wrong with that? So what? You're supposed to be a victim to prove that, oh, I want to be a victimized. No. And that's why men have played a larger role in evolution than women. So women

select the men that they want to have children with because of culture. What is important at the time? And for millions of years, what's been important at the time was strong, aggressive men who could hunt and protect. But today that's not popular anymore. So culture is driving women to choose a girlfriend with a penis instead of a strong man. I'm being real with you. This is the God's honest truth.

Women still want strong men but they don't want to talk about it because they want to blame us for everything that's wrong in the world but if we didn't have the balls and the testosterone levels to come out of the cage and hunt we would have been gone from the planet a long time ago is uh hrt and in this case just testosterone uh specifically um is that something that you're going to want to cycle on and off the way you would like anabolic steroids? Not if you're an old guy like me. I've been on fucking since 2007. No, because my testosterone levels are never going to come back.

And they're not going to ever be high enough for where I want. I don't want to be diabetic. I don't want to die of heart failure. There's all those links to low testosterone, heart failure, diabetes, dementia, all linked to, in fact, we're getting ready to do a show that we have a problem in this country right now. Young boys who are going through puberty are going through puberty and don't have the rise in testosterone that they should. And it actually makes them susceptible later on in life to a lot of the negative effects of low testosterone,

like heart failure and dementia. We got something going on here. Boys are being feminized. I'm telling you. Is, is there a danger, you know, from what you,

from what you've seen with HRT and or even higher levels of taking testosterone? And what are those dangers? Well, we'd have to look at the studies that have looked at high levels of testosterone administration. And Dr. Bashin, I can't think of his first name, he's done about six different good studies with 600 milligrams of testosterone and anthate a week. And he's done some of the studies were eight months long, nine months long. One of them was a year long. And they looked at all the purported changes in lipids and aggression and insulin sensitivity. And there's nothing.

There's nothing. There's nothing. Nothing. Now, obviously, we don't have population studies for years, but we don't, you know. One of the funny things that came out of this whole COVID thing is we're now testing people for shit. Like, just random. I mean, if we started testing for the flu,

we'd find that a lot more people get the flu every year than get symptoms. Well, if we started testing everybody in the world for testosterone level, we'd probably find a wide range of variants from continent to continent. And I think we find out that boys in the United States have some of the lowest testosterone levels in the world. So we really can't answer that question. We just don't have the information. But now, to come back to N equals one or N equals many, we got a lot of guys out there on testosterone for five, six, eight years, bodybuilders, and they come off and they live normal lives. They

don't end up with heart problems or all that other shit. So what about when we start to throw in some of the other stuff? You know, we got goodies, you know, we got Diana Ball and, you know, Tren Balone and all these other things. The oral, the oral. So Dr. Baldy Pasquale believes that the risk of oral is overstated. But with that being said, I think the injectables are not a problem. I think the orals are the big problem because now you're changing the landscape of the liver.

The methylation of these drugs is worse for you than the actual molecule. The methylation, I mean, look, you can take methylprednisone, right? They'll put you on that only two or three times a year because it causes an increase in the thickening of the blood. They call it thrombotic index. It can increase to different types of cancers. So the orals are dangerous just because of the way they're made by the pharmaceutical industry, not the native molecule itself. So I've never been a fan of orals. And I fooled around with D-ball. I fooled around with anadrol.

I one time ordered from Europe what I thought was anadrol and they sent me anavar. I was taking like 100 milligrams a day of that, you know, because I was like, I couldn't send it back. I was stuck with it. But I've always been a big guy.

I've never really favored the orals i just don't i'm i want to know about this too okay so if we could do like you don't hear about hrt maybe it's just because we're always having this discussion in munsk men but i really haven't heard much about hrt for women and again i'm going back to what you mentioned if you're a guy who's getting it let's say you're 45 and your wife's 45, she should get it too. So what should women be paying attention to as far as HRT is concerned? Because I haven't heard conversations about that. So if a woman is going to get on HRT, she needs to get on a multi-hormone protocol. It should include testosterone, two different types of estrogen, estradiol and estriol, and then, of course,

progesterone, and maybe a little DHEA if she needs it. Again, everything is blood work. Put her on progesterone, testosterone, and bias, and let her live with it for a few months. Look at the absorption. Look at where things are ending up. You need to find the doctor who understands synchronizing your HRT with a specific phase of your menstrual cycle. In other words, you've got all these moving targets. And with women, you've got three different ones. So if he's going to put you into the luteal phase, then everything has to fall into that luteal phase range. But the other thing that I would say for women that's important is if you can get by with the creams, that's the best way to go because you have the pulsatile nature day in and day out. The pellets are convenient, but you got this spike for weeks and then three months later,

it drips and then you go and have another pellet. A lot of women like the pellet because they just have to do it four times a year. But women need multiple hormones in order to do it right. And we know, so the Women's Health Initiative destroyed women's trust in HRT, but now we know that it was all bullshit because they were giving, they were looking at women who were taking equine estrogen, equine progesterone, and they were all methylated. And so sure, they ended up with blood clots, the thrombotic index, methylation, the liver, like we were talking about a second ago. But if you're getting the bioidenticals and you're using creams, I think you've got the best shot of having the best overall outcome. And don't listen to your doctor if they say, oh, well, you can only stay on these until you're fully through menopause.

Then you got to come off. Why? Why the fuck do I have to? Why do doctors tell you that about blood pressure medicine? Oh, we're just going to do this for a while. And then now they want you on it for the rest of your life. I know women that are in their 80s and 90s and have been on HRT for the past 25 years. And you ask them, well, when are you going to stop? They'd say, when I fucking die. Why would I not want to feel great and be strong and healthy and

not have fragile bones and be actively engaged in life? What does it do for their body composition? Is there improvements? Well, first of all, there's a theory, yes. And here's an interesting fact. When women go through menopause, they all put on body fat. Well, there's an emerging theory that the reason that is, is because as the ovaries stop producing estradiol, aromatase starts to produce more. Well, aromatase is in fat cells, so the body starts to upregulate fat accumulation because it wants higher estradiol. As soon as you straighten a woman out, her body fat just starts coming off because she doesn't need that supplemental estradiol anymore.

And this is something that's lost on bodybuilders. Bodybuilders love to take aromatase inhibitors because they want to get dried and ripped and lose as much. So this is a good study out there. It's just one study, but still, that compared men that were on testosterone only or testosterone aromatase inhibitor, and the guys that were on testosterone only lost more body fat, which shows that estradiol is misrepresented when people think that it causes lipogenesis. It's actually lipolytic. But yes, women's body composition changes.

Muscle increases. When muscle increases, bone density increases because that has to upregulate because of the stronger muscles and body fat disappears. Absolutely. I'm also curious about this because like, yeah, HRT for women's got a bad rap, but it seems that there are so many moving parts that would it be hard to find a doctor that could do this correctly? I mean, like, no. Okay. No.

And it's easy to find. You ask the doctor if he has a cookie cutter approach. You don't want that. What kind of hormones do they put their women on? And if they say, well, just progesterone or just estradiol, don't use that doctor.

Look, a woman has a much more complex body than a man because they can actually build a fucking human being. So, you know, guys can get by with a little testosterone and HCG and be happy, but women need more. So. Yeah. Do you have any, um, uh, I guess, yeah, advice. Um, so my son's almost a month old. I can't believe how fast time is already moving. Um, but I was actually opening

up, um, a pack of diapers and I'm like, oh, wow, diapers smell like I just they have a certain smell. I'm like, why the fuck do they have a smell? And I'm looking like, oh, there's ink in here. Like what? Like what? Why is this here? And I'm like, dude, I'm putting this right on his junk.

So my first thought was like, I need to find some like unscented natural diapers because that was my first thought, too, was like, well, shit, was this going to mess up his testosterone levels later on in life? And it was kind of like a like my wife was like, wife was like okay like yeah we'll look into it but like calm down it's probably not that serious and i'm like well it might be um so do you have any advice for parents like myself that want to make sure that our sons you know hit puberty and actually get the uh the boost in testosterone that they're naturally supposed to receive so it depends on what is the scent is from and i don't know what the scent is from it's like it's like powder right like i

don't it's hard to explain well i hope it's not talcum powder because it's all sorts of fucking bad science right so you don't want it to be that excuse me um but what i will tell you is this um so febreze uh all of these uh scented air freshers that you take a dump and your wife says spray that shit the house stinks makes it worse they they actually contain something called phthalates and phthalates are a chemical compound that are considered anti-androgens. And I did a show about this years ago. I want to say 2007, 2008. It was put on by the Rockefeller Foundation because they have an organization called the Population Center or something like that in Manhattan. And what they discovered was that phthalates look to the body like testosterone, but it has a greater affinity to the angina receptor than testosterone, which means once it docks

in there, it stays longer. And then it blocks testosterone from docking in there and boys become feminized from it. testosterone from docking in there and boys become feminized from it so phthalates uh are a nasty nasty thing and they're in so much stuff today like if you look if you search for all the different phthalates and you start looking at products like fuck it's in everything everything that has a scent yeah those home yeah home things plugged into the wall and stuff right now. Yes, those things and Andrew, even cologne. I don't spray cologne on my chest anymore. I spray it on my fucking shirt and then I hang it up for a while and then I put it

on because it probably phthalates in most of your favorite colognes. Yeah, once you go down that rabbit hole, you realize that it's in like all the plastics as well and like you you're kind of fucked. Like you just you don't want to deal with anything anymore. I just want my house to smoke.

These are considered xenoandrogens. We know what phytoestrogens are and xenoestrogens. There are xenoandrogens out there too. You want to be careful about these things that have strong scents. Unfortunately, you can't fucking avoid them today. It's just

unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable. They're everywhere. Yeah. What are some supplements that you that have stood the test of time for you personally? What are some things that you still utilize from a kind of over the counter supplemental standpoint? Vitamin D every day. It'll protect you from even getting COVID-19.

I wrote about this in March. Now everybody's talking about it. Oh, yeah. You and I were talking early, early about it. I remember that. Yeah. There's a great blog on my website that I detail all of the evidence that vitamin D3 and 25-OHD protect you from AIDS. They protect you from any retrovirus. The virus can't replicate if your vitamin D levels are high. Is there any specific type of vitamin D or is it just D3? I mean, it's just all the similar. As long as it's a reputable company and there's really as much D3 in there that they, I mean, I take 20 to 30,000 IUs a day every day. Of course, I'm dark and I know I need more.

And I do get blood tests done a couple couple times a year and i try to keep my 2508g levels in the 70 to 80 000 uh 80 uh picograms or nanogram area but uh so i take d3 every day and in the summer i stop because i lay in the sun every day you know and i don't have fun i don't have any skin cancer i don't even have any fucking moles anymore i mean it's really amazing um the other thing that I do take with great regularity is it's a product called SPM active. It's made by a company called Metagenics. It's actually concentrated portions of what's in fish oil because I eat a piece of salmon every day. Um, but SPM stands for specific pro-resolving mediators. It's what I feel like I recover faster, uh, from workout to workout from them. Um, I'm trying to think what else I take every single day. Um, I mean, I, I, I use a ton of peptides every day. I have a peptide stack that I use post-workout.

I use oxytocin before bed. I take two IUs of growth hormone pretty much. Let's, uh, back up for a second there. What are these peptides that you take post-workout? And then what's the oxytocin for as well? Well, there's oxytocin in my post-workout. So the peptides in my post-workout shot, two IUs of growth hormone, 100 micrograms of modified growth factor 1 through 29, 100 micrograms of GHRP6, half a milligram of BPC-157, half a milligram of IGF-1 EC, which is the kind of growth factor,

and about 75 IUs of oxytocin post-workout. And what are some of these things doing? I know there's a lot there but just kind of I guess briefly doing a lot of stuff so oxytocin has been shown to make old muscle feel like new like young muscle oxytocin also crushes cortisol so post workout you want to get your cortisol down as quickly as possible.

Oxytocin is also what you produce when you have an orgasm. And I've talked about this on the show. The more orgasms you have, the healthier you will be and the longer you will live. Because from an evolutionary perspective, job number one, Maslow has nothing to do with it. Your fancy car has nothing to do with it. Your Instagram likes have nothing to do with it. It's making fucking babies. And as long as you can keep your body thinking you're making babies, you will fucking be healed and, and recover fast. I whacked off a lot. I think I got that part covered, you know, me too. When I was a kid, I was whacking off before anything came out. I just was like,

Ooh, wow. What was that? I'm going to do that again. I'm serious. I'm serious. I never looked back. So, but IGF-1, mechano growth factor, growth hormone, and two growth hormone secretogogs are working hand in hand. People say to me, well, if you're taking growth hormone, why are you taking modified growth factor 1 through 29 and GHRP-6 and IGF-1 EC? And I say to them, because none of those would happen without the other being in your system naturally. If your body's going to produce growth hormone, those other things have to be there. And if it's going to produce IGF-1, those other things have to be there. And plus your body, the growth hormone that I get from the pharmacy is only

the 191 amino acid version. There's four different forms of growth hormone that your pituitary produces. So I stack those together. And then BPC-157, because it really is magic for recovery. And is our, sorry, are peptides something that's legal? You said you got some at a pharmacy. And then that seems like a nice little cocktail of different ones. Are you putting that in like one shot or is that like multiple throughout the day? I put all but the IGF-1 EC in one syringe. And then I put the IGF-1 EC in its own syringe

because I learned, so peptides are very, very unique. So each amino acid is like a word and the bonds are like punctuation. Well, IGF-1 EC has very weak bonds. If I put it all in one syringe, I start to see these little cloudy particles. And what's happening is the peptides with stronger bonds are breaking the IGF-1 EC up and it's sticking here and sticking there. So once I learned that, none of that's been shown in science, but I've been using peptides fucking at least 16 years now. I started off with GHRP-6 back in the day and real IGF-1. But I figured out that like when I, when I put it in with other peptides, it kind of gets attracted to shit and it kind of clumps up and you can see the

little clouds in there. And so I just started putting it in its own, its own syringe. And there are some pharmacies that sell these peptides, but some of these peptides I'm getting from other sources because the FDA won't let them sell them. With BP 157, you mentioned the recovery and I, it's my understanding. A lot of people utilize that for injuries and stuff. Have you found it to be productive for that? Cause I know there's a lot of people utilize that for injuries and stuff. Have you found it to be productive for that? Because I know there's a lot of people that listen that are in pain that have a lot of injuries. Yeah, it's really good for soft tissue injuries.

You know, bursitis, tendinitis, it's magic. I mean, in a couple of days, my son, he's a rock climber, and he lived with tendinitis from gripping that shit for years. He would just, you know, he'd say, well, once I start climbing, it loosens up, it goes away. And he took BPC-157 at a half a milligram or 300 micrograms a day. And in a week it was gone and it's never come back. And is that something hormonal? Can women take it or do you have to follow it up with something else?

Or is it it it's pretty straightforward bpc all peptides women can use it's not a hormone these are folded proteins that's all they are they're actually what a peptide is is that it's a message from one cell to the other and so these are cellular messages they tell cells to fix you that's what they really do and all of these things you have to inject yeah but they're sub-q like an insulin syringe so you just have to pop it in your skin and just let it go it's not not intramuscular don't feel it hardly at all gotcha i do have one question what is because you mentioned vitamin d but the second thing you mentioned was 25 oh hd i've literally never heard of that same thing with spm active i haven't heard of any of those things

um and those aren't peptides i I'm assuming. There's something else. Yeah. So when you take vitamin D3 orally, which is called coleal calciferol, the liver converts it to 25-hydroxy-D, which is 25-OHD. And 25-OHD is the magic. That's where all the benefits of vitamin D come from. So until it's converted to 25-OHD is the magic. That's where all the benefits of vitamin D come from. So until it's converted to 25-OHD, it's not really helping you. And that's why it's important to supplement, but then have your 25-OHD tested to see where that's going. Can we inject the 25-OHD? No, you can't, unfortunately.

Come on, Carl. Let's go, man. I haven't focused on that yet. But no, it's so cheap to buy. You can buy a big bottle of vitamin D3 today for like $9. And then the SPM or SM?

SPM actives, SPMs are made by several different companies out there today. They're concentrated fractions of fish oil, the portion of fish oil responsible for suppressing inflammation. See, the magic of fish oil, unlike NSAIDs and other shit. So NSAIDs and other shit suppresses, it shuts off inflammation. But if you shut off inflammation, you shut off healing. Fish oil speeds up healing. It helps resolve.

So you recover fast. We got through quite a bit. Last kind of round of questions here is, you know, what do you eat nowadays? Like, how do you eat? Like, are you utilizing any fasting methods? Are you eating carbs around workouts? What are you doing nowadays? I ate two and a half pounds of beef yesterday, and I'll eat two and a half pounds of beef today. Nice.

I'm not training today, so I'm not worried about carbs, but I do use carbs post-workout, but just a little. It depends. I'll have a white potato or a sweet potato maybe 30 or 40 grams that's all because you know weight training doesn't really deplete you of glycogen like everybody wants to think it does but you don't need that much what do you uh what do you like to do and what are you like passionate about aside from uh you know this podcast that you do and all this research. There's probably some other shit that you love to do that gets you away from the gym and gets you away from some of this. I'm a part-time inventor. In fact, I haven't talked about this on anybody else's show,

but I have a patent on a device that will keep you from losing your gun. Yeah. You told me a little bit about it. that will keep you from losing your gun. Yeah. You told me a little bit about it. About three months ago, I was in a furniture store buying furniture for a new home we purchased. And I carry what's known as inside the waistband appendix. I carry a gun in the front of my pants. And so when I go in the bathroom, I got to gun off if I unbuckle my pants I gotta take my gun off so it's one day I put the gun on the back of the urinal like I've been

done a thousand times before yeah exactly I got home that night at 10 o'clock I was getting undressed I said to my I call on my wife Elisa and I aren't married yet but we may as well be I said to my wife Elisa I said fuck where's my gun and so a cascade of events happened that night. And it turns out I found my gun. It was in the house because I had come home earlier that day. I got poured on in the rain. I got undressed in the laundry room and I put my gun in the laundry room and found it. But I didn't find it until I already called the police department because I got to file an NCIC report.

I lost my gun. And the cop told me a lot of people losing their guns now because so many new people carrying guns that I mean, I was raised with guns. So I but there's new people that don't think about their gun because, yeah, we're having a lot of this. And so after I realized I had the gun, I had already shit my pants. I was like, fuck, man, I just bought a house. Life is good. That gun's going to get picked up by some kid. He's going to shoot some other kid. I'm going to be dragged into court. You know, and and for the next 20 years, I'm going to be the guy who lost his gun and some kid shot somebody. I woke up and I had an idea and I filed a patent and I have a patent on it and it's called Gunny, the gun nanny. And we'll have the first units probably in about four months. But it's a seven millimeter square chip and it comes with an industrial adhesive and you can stick it to the bottom of your magazine or you can stick it to the side of the gun and if your gun get and you it has a geofence that's a big board by the way that's a 45 and that's a little pussy nine millimeter and so if you if your gun gets so you set the

geofence for 10 feet and if the gun gets 10 feet away from you an alarm goes off on your phone it gives you a gps rendering of where you were the last moment that the gun checked in gun checks in every second so theoretically you walk away from your gun it should go off immediately go oh fuck i left my gun there but if you do get far enough away from it you don't realize that you'll be able to go right back and get your gun um the app is going to do a lot more than that like so many things that gun owners will want it to do but yeah it's called gunny the gun nanny and uh it'll keep people from ever losing their fucking handgun ever again and what's up with this uh vitamin d3 cream that you made uh you do you still have that around or have you you brought that back i want to reintroduce it but

i've got so many other things I'm working on right now. But yeah, I mean, I got a new testosterone preparation that will be out in about maybe 30 to 60 days. I'm working with a pharmaceutical company for the past couple of years to bring that to market. It's going to be a daily injectable testosterone.

Right. Because at 6 a.m. Yeah. Yeah. 6 a.m. Men pulse a testosterone pulse and then it dips and it goes down towards the end of the day. And we've come up with an aqueous injectable, no oil that will mimic that daily pulse. And people say, well, why is that important? Why don't you just use cream? There's a lot of guys who can't use cream.

Why? They don't absorb it properly they they transfer to their children i know a lot of men over the years who've had child protective services say we're going to take your daughter away she's fucking growing hair on her vagina she's her titties are budding and it's because you're getting that testosterone on it uh so this this is it's actually called natural rhythm it's uh it's it's a trademark then it will be patented and the formula has taken a good two years to come up with it works trademarked and it will be patented. And the formula has taken a good two years to come up with. It works fucking great and it'll be a great alternative

to guys who want a reliable way of getting their testosterone levels up and not have any of the negative effects. Because the only reason why we have to take aromatase inhibitors and shit like that is because of the long-acting esters. It eliminates that

problem i mean it's just so it's going to be so beneficial is it uh is it water-based basically it is yeah it is but it's not it's not like hold now hold now for real that's that's uh outstanding yeah so we'll have that hopefully we'll have that in 30 to 60 days. We're just undergoing the sterility test. It's got to stay sterile for the next 30 or 60 days. And once it's done with that, then we go to mass production. And is that like, let's say like I'm a customer pre future, trying to get my name on the list of pre-orders, but like get a 30-day kit or something

since they're doing it every single day or how's that going to work? Yeah, it's going to be a 30-day supply. Your doc will be able to prescribe it. It's going to be super fucking cheap. Like so cheap. Wow. Stan Efferding has been doing that for years. He does shot every day. I want to say it's like 40 or maybe 50 milligrams a day or something like that. I started to inject sub-Q. It was 2010. I had Dr. John Chrysler on my show, who's since passed away. I told him, I said, John, I'm not

doing intramuscular anymore. I'm doing sub-Q. He said, it's a bad idea. You're going to have higher aromatization. I kept doing it anyway. No one was doing sub-Q when I first started doing it. This is God's honest truth. I'm not patting myself on the back. I have evidence because I have a show recording. So a couple of years ago, he writes a book about sub-Q testosterone.

And I don't care. You know what I mean? Fucking God bless him. The poor guy, he committed suicide. And I feel bad about it. I never fucking called him out on it. I never said anything. I'm glad that he wrote the book.

But the problem with sub-Q, cypionate and anthate, even propionate, it's in an oil. And that depot stays for days and sometimes weeks. So you're not getting that one day rise and it's gone. So we had to find a way to create the vehicle first that would work. And it's not as easy as you think it is because we tried fucking everything.

I started out with daily injectable oil and the testosterone released over six days. That's not going to work. That's not a daily pulse. That's a six day pulse. We'll just stay with the N and things, stay the propionate. Uh, but we created the vehicle, me and a guy named Justin Kirkland guy is brilliant, brilliant. Um, and, uh, we unlocked the code and it's such a sophisticated vehicle, but also it's such a sophisticated two forms of testosterone that we're eligible for a patent on. This is amazing. Yeah.

I didn't know you had all these things cooking. I knew about the gun. You told me about that. That's fantastic. Anything else? Any other inventions? I will bring the Primal D back, but it's just not on the front page right now. primal D-back.

But it's just not on the front page right now. But I did come out with a spray on topical vitamin D3 because your body makes vitamin D3 in the skin. So my idea was, well, the best way to get it should be through the skin, not through your mouth. And the problem we had with the first batch,

Pat Arnold made it for me, great guy, was that we had some non-responders. Now, most supplement companies would have just kept going. Like, okay, fuck the non-responders. Let's just sell to the people that are happy with it. But I believe that we could get it better and get it right. And so it's going to come back as a cream instead of a spray. And when you tested the cream, did it have less non-responders, I'm assuming? Well, it had 100% of the people that used it saw their vitamin D3, their 25-hydroxy level rise.

Wow. And that, I'm guessing, their rise in their 25-hydroxy levels, that was better than pills? Well, not so much better than pills, but more appropriate. So you can't take too much D3. I mean, the people who ate polar bear liver back in the day, they died from it, like within hours because of the D and the A. But then they realized it was in the sheath around the liver and they would peel that off and they'd eat the liver. You can get too much. See, your skin regulates how much D3 you actually get. So when you get in the sun and you make D3, there is a process, a negative feedback from the liver that says, we've got a lot of 25

hydroxy, destroy the rest of the D3. So your skin actually destroys unneeded D3. So it protects you. It will do the same thing with the cream. It doesn't do that with oral or injected. So it's a more natural, more appropriate form of D3. See, I go for natural and appropriate. There's the evolutionary perspective. I say vitamin D has a pulse and we should honor it.

I say, I'm sorry, testosterone has a pulse and we should honor it. Vitamin D comes through the skin, we should honor that. So, yeah. Awesome. I think we've taken up a lot of your time today and thank you so much for spending it with us.

Really appreciate it. Out outstanding information. You're somebody that, uh, I'm not exactly sure why, but like, I feel like you're a distant relative of some sort, you and I've never met in person, but we've been communicating, uh, for a long time. Really appreciate you as a friend and thanks for coming on the show today. Oh, thanks for being interested. Thank you so much. Awesome. Where can people find out more about Carl Lenore and his podcast? Superhumanradio.net is the website. And then obviously, you know, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, all the normal podcast directors.

Great. Good luck with everything. Have a great rest of your day. Yes. Thank you. Fantastic. Man. Love that guy. I do not love a guest like that that whips out a gun a little show yeah anyway first anybody else get uneasy when he's pointing at the camera a little bit like that kind of yeah although man what he

mentioned about febreze and those like that because i had the plug-in sense at home because this like fucking dog smells like shit and now I have to take those out I took all of them one day and I put them on the counter and I was like I told my wife I was like just figure out how to have a lot less of these like there was like 11 of them or something

I'm like Jesus Christ do you guys still use them yeah just less she's like she's like hit them in rooms that I never go into you gotta check out this was pre Encima co-host era Yeah. Just less. She's like, she's like, like hit them in rooms that I never go into. Yeah. You got to check out. This was pre Encima co-host era, but the Anthony J episode when he ran through here, he's talking about phthalates and parabens and being in like literally everything.

It will make you switch from plastic to glass and kind of look at everything just a little bit different. Yeah. And I mean, I remember after that episode, I ran home and I'm like, you know, my daughter,

I'm like, you are never drinking anything out of plastic. Cause it's like, it's yeah, it's, it's, it seems like it's really hard on our kids. Like the youth is getting hit the hardest.

Yeah. Carl was amazing. A lot of amazing sound bites. And we were talking about, you know, potentially having a new like a little sound bite to start the show just to give people like a hook i was just like man there was a lot of them when he talked about uh you know john gotti with the gun in somebody's

mouth it's like that's that's a pretty big deal but there was a bunch of other things where i was like oh i could use that too yeah oh we could use that one too yeah we could use that one too i think that stood out to me is when he said um i was nothing until i was strong because like he did a lot he did a lot before he started really focusing on his health but the fact that he said that even though he was already a confident dude already making money like that right there that that's that's huge when you transform that like all aspects of you is going to change i think that was pretty awesome that was sick i learned a lot makes me wonder like. Makes you wonder as you test? It makes me, no, like, because this thing, like I feel great and energetic now, but when

will that time come that I might, that I'll make that decision? Because from everyone that we've talked to on this show, at some point I know that I'm going to probably do HRT, but now it's like, could I hold off until I'm 50? Like, could I hold on until I'm 55? Like, when when should i start that's the main thing i'm curious about we'll see well and also uh you know it's a question of like why like you know is there is there a reason to like push it off and or that's true or do you just like say like you know unless you know your competitions or something there's some sort of you know um oh yeah there are regulations on that but i'm thinking of like when i'm am i going to be

competing on 50 like i'm the more thing i'm worried about is like it's not worried but i want to make sure that like when i'm 50 or whatever if mom not my body isn't doing what i need it to do then i'll take what i need for it to do that right right so right now no i can't do that i think the main thing that people end up uh like a big reason on why people end up taking steroids in the first place and or doing hrt as it's called nowadays love that yeah i didn't realize that it's true Kind of all the same thing I'm not on steroids Yeah that was like In my brother's movie my brother's like

The guy's like well we don't Just prescribe drugs here And my brother goes yeah you do And the guy goes yeah I guess you're right But Anyway you know I think One of the reason why people decide to do it is is because of the conversation that's going on their brain like you know you're like something's

not working the same way as it used to when i go to the gym i'm a little like you know and i'm not as motivated as i once was i mentioned it several times before but somebody on my youtube channel they were like oh it's easy for you to say, because you're on steroids. And I was just like, at first I was like, you know, kind of thinking like, oh, that's was a kind of pretty negative comment. But actually I was like, actually, no, the guy's totally right. Like that's, that is a big reason why I'm motivated. And, uh, people have no problem walking around with their coffee in the morning.

Right. And people have no problem with, you know, other people are seeing you you drink that and that's the thing that peps you up for the day yeah uh i'm taking something that peps me up for my day and who's to say what's better what's worse yeah it's a funny visual man like people walking around with their coffee around my needle and i got my trend not trend but it's just funny yeah whatever, whatever. It makes sense. That's the world I want to live in. Yeah. You know, go to Starbucks and get your injections. But I mean, no, man, like it does make a lot of sense.

There's a, there's a big negative stigma on it. And it could be, it could be super helpful. Like he took it, you know, his heart, all these things kind of just changed. Some people that, you know, some people that are really heavy that have had a hard time with their nutrition over the years, some HRT, some intervention from a good HRT doctor can be really, really transformative. The main thing to know there though, is that if you have not changed your habits, you know, I always think it's a great idea to get some motion going yourself. And I know I just mentioned how it can help motivate you, but you don't want to rely on motivation from anything other than what you already have on the inside. Start with that.

Once you get moving and once you have demonstrated that you have some disciplines, go to a doctor and get your blood work done and see what it looks like. And if it looks like, because these HRT doctors, what they'll do is they'll just take you to that. They're not trying to have you have crazy testosterone levels. They don't want you to have like two or 3000, you know, for your testosterone levels. They're usually just looking for you to be on the high, on the high end of that normal range. So if you're at a thousand or 1200, then your money, that's usually like right about where

they want you to be. And that's what a lot of the research shows to be the safest. I think if you're able to keep it, you know, below 2000, I think you're, you're in a good range. And there's a lot of other things to consider too, is like your free testosterone and so on. But, you know, for people that have been really struggling, they've been trying to figure out their nutrition for years and figure out their diet, you know, for people that have been really struggling, they've been trying to figure out their nutrition for years and figure out their diet,

you know, get your habits in place. And then once those are in place, if you think that you need something, you're 40, 45, 50, um, I would say, Hey, you know, why not? Like it's not gonna steroids on that level, uh, is so minor. It's not going to take your body long at all to rewind anything that it did because it can potentially cause like fertility issues and things of that nature. And so if you're somebody that still desires to have a child or something like that, those are all things that you would want to consider, but those are all things that an HRT doctor would go over with you. Yeah. Mark, do you think, and I mean, I guess we got to establish that you would want to consider, but those are all things that an HRT doctor would go over with you. Yeah. Mark, do you think, and I mean, I guess we got to establish that you're not a doctor.

So, you know, right off the gate, right off the gate, clarify that in case people were confused. But do you think, because even Carl had mentioned like the anti-estrogen, I don't know what they're called. Aromatase inhibitors. Those. Do you think people are kind of jumping on those a little too quick without really even knowing maybe blood work or maybe they're actually not even taking enough testosterone to even like need something like that? Yeah, I wouldn't advise taking them. I just don't, I don't think they're really necessary. They're decent to have around. I think that, I think the best thing to do is to get your blood work done. That way you actually know.

But to go shooting down your estrogen levels without really knowing. One of the issues is, I don't know why it's this way, but the aerobatase inhibitors are really, really powerful. So if you take them, they annihilate your estrogen. take them, they like annihilate your estrogen. And even if you take them like sparingly, like some people will take like half a tablet like every third day or something. And even when you take it that way, it still seems to your estrogen gets kind of smashed. So I don't think it's that necessary. There's more and more information coming out all the time.

That hormone optimization, uh, YouTube channel, um, is fantastic. There's a lot of great information on there, but I think when you drive down your estrogen level, some weird shit can happen to your cholesterol, which your cholesterol isn't always a marker of much of anything. We still don't know.

There's still so much information, but I remember going to the doctor one time and I think my good cholesterol, and this is when I was young, this is like a long time ago. I've been on this stuff for a long time. I remember my good cholesterol was like 16 or something. It was just like annihilated. It was just like gone. And it was, it was because of the estrogen. It wasn't necessarily because it's testosterone. So you have to think about testosterone in some cases is, is upping your bad cholesterol. And then the estrogen is wiping out, you know what I mean?

And so you're, you know, there's probably a lot of reasons for it because cholesterol is, testosterone is made from cholesterol. So you're, you, the blood circulating in your body might not have as much cholesterol in it testosterone is made from cholesterol. So you're, you, the, the blood circulating in your body might not have as much cholesterol in it as well, because maybe there's really no need.

Maybe there's not as much need for it to be circulating in the blood when you're utilizing something like testosterone. I'm not really sure, but I do remember that. Um, I never noticed anything negative from it. Like personally, like I never was like, oh man, my estrogen is real.

I didn't notice, you know, a real anything there. But, um, the estrogen, like these estrogen, uh, these aromatase inhibitors, I don't think there's a lot of great reasons to just jump on them right away. I do think it's smart to have them. I think it's smart to have them on hand. That could be something like also like for people to, if they do go to a clinic or have a doctor, if they're trying to push those on them right away, that might be a sign of like, oh shit, maybe they're giving me that cookie cutter prescription.

Yeah. So my doctor, he was able to like, he has it like they're there, they come together, you know, it's like, it's like, it's like a like uh you know an oil that comes together the two are combined and i just told him like i don't i'm like i don't need that and he's like everybody so we went back and forth and he's really smart he knows what's going on you know he he knows a lot um but we just had some differing opinions and i said well how about i just get the pills and like if you know if if you see that my estrogen goes up via blood work then let's you know we can discuss and and regain plan right there but i thought carl um you know he i thought he handled some of those questions really well about testosterone and i would say that he maybe

underplayed uh like some negative side effects that can happen. If you take a lot of shit or if you take Trenbolone and some of these things, they really impair your sleep. They can throw you off quite a bit. I just want people to understand that if you're going to play around with, if you're going to embark on utilizing performance enhancing drugs and utilizing steroids, I really hope that you have somebody in your corner that knows what they're talking about. I realize maybe not everyone can afford to go to some of these doctors, but even if you just went to some of these doctors just like once, like a one-time expense, might not be a bad idea. Or have an expert, have somebody who really knows what you're talking about.

Uh, take a look at your blood and read your blood. Um, because just not knowing, I just, it's just not, it's just not a great idea. Even when I, even when I was starting out, I always had, uh, some people that I knew that I could communicate with and I could say, Hey, you know, what do you think about this? Or what do you think about that? A lot of thought needs to go into it. Yeah. Did you ever, um, you think about this or what do you think about that? A lot of thought needs to go into it. Yeah. Did you ever mess around with peptides?

I never messed around with some of the stuff that he was mentioning, like the BPC157 and... All the other numbers. Yeah, yeah. He was rattling off a lot of stuff. I don't think I, I don't, I don't recall ever using any peptides. Um, but yeah, the, the BPC one five seven, I had it for a while and I just never used it. Um, when I got it, you know, the guy I got it from, he was like, you know, you got to

take it. He wanted me to take it like twice a day or something or even once a day. I can't remember, but it was just like a daily thing. And I was just, I kept forgetting and I just never got around to doing it. And then whatever was bothering me, like went away. That's why, like, you know, with all this conversation that we're having about this, I'm so happy that first you just mentioned this. Make sure that you have certain habits set in line before you embark on this journey it's a must you have to because the example you just said right

some of those things mess with your sleep but if you've already been having bad habits with your sleep before this and now you're trying to make a change and the first thing you turn to is something it might just wreck you even more in that realm and you don't even know that that's messed up well you think you want more muscle mass and you're like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to take steroids. And it's like, well, you don't even have the discipline to go to bed on time. You're like a little kid almost, right? Like, so let's, you know, let's back things up a little bit.

How about you start to work on getting a little bit better sleep and how about you work on eating? Cause eating can be a giant, you want to get big, Like Carl was pointing out, it's a pain in the ass. So yeah, make sure you have those things in check first before you go thinking that you can't, you're not going to be able to checkmate anybody that way. It doesn't work that way. I mean, also think about this, man. Think about how big of an effect that, you know, sunlight and vitamin D do have on your

hormone levels. And if you're a guy that, let's say you work out a bit, but you're not getting good sleep and you're always inside of a building, right? And your test levels are low or kind of low. Think about how much could happen from you starting to get good sleep and make sure you get some sunlight and your vitamin D levels in the right way. Think about how big of a free boost that's going to be for you without having to venture into the realm of test. Not saying it's bad. It's just like, like you said, get these basic, simple things handled first before you make that addition to all of these things that you're trying to do.

Right. And, you know, keep in mind, Carl's an older guy, you know, and even for myself, even though I started at 25, I was already lifting for a long time. I started lifting when I was 12. So I had a lot of years of lifting. And I would say from the time I was 15 to 25 or so, yeah, about 15, like I, I knew what the hell was going on. Like I had good lift, a decent lifting knowledge. I started out with powerlifting. I had good people in my corner that coached me to through some powerlifting. And I started to understand at least a little bit about nutrition on how to be big and how to be able to, uh, you know, handle these weights that I was going to be lifting. And so I, I, I had a law already a long history laid out. Like, I don't think it's a great idea for anybody

to, uh, just be training for, you know, two, three years and then just be like, yeah, I'm going to, you know, it's like, and like, you know, if you, if you, if you have been lifting for two or three years and you feel like you're stuck, I mean, you have many more years to go before you actually get stuck. I've never seen anybody get stuck after two years. So you still have a lot more progress that can be made. I would say like maybe the cap that I see for most people is about, which sounds really weird, but it's probably like five or six years, but I'd also spend a year researching it, spend a year thinking about it, spend a year looking at it. And for, for either sex, I mean, I would definitely, uh, it definitely comes into play

on if you want to have children or not. I don't know what the research says and I don't know. I would imagine if you take HRT dosages,'re probably totally fine i was fortunate that when i came off i was able to have my daughter quinn but for some guys i know it doesn't work out that way and it's like man like that's a big that's a big fucking deal so is there's a lot to consider with all that yeah i i'm obviously this is just like my thinking. Cause someone like Tony huge, he's obviously done everything. He's, he can still pump out a baby. You hear about other people that, you know,

only did a little bit, whatever that even means. Right. And it's like, they're in for, so I just feel like, man, maybe sometimes like it's,

yeah, I don't know. It's hard to explain. Right. But you know what I mean? I think, I think that I actually personally don't think that testosterone would cause any real harm to any of that, really, honestly. But, I mean, if you did it for a long time, maybe it would be hard to get back to normal.

I think in some cases where I've seen it, people were just unsure, which is almost even worse, because they didn't have a kid, you know, previously. That's yeah. That's what I mean. You know, like sometimes, uh, unfortunately a man just hasn't been able to have a baby or they don't pair up with their mate very well. Yeah. There's something there. Uh, obviously that's just me because, cause I've, I've seen people that have tried and

it's just like, man, this person's never done anything. Like my, my, my head goes there first. Right. I'm like, this guy's never injected or done SARMs or did there first right i'm like this guy's never injected or done SARMs or did anything and you know this is happening to him so it's it's it's a bummer uh do you agree with carl when he was talking about um you know doing tests for like the first year it's like you know you're a race car and then the next year it's like oh i'm slowing down a little bit have you you know heard anybody else say something like that not really no i haven't

heard anybody um i haven't really heard anybody use that like same analogy but yeah i guess it's something that makes sense for him i do wonder about this you remember when we had dr gould on and there was something we weren't able to ask him it was uh you know not not everywhere are you able to get sun all year long right so maybe there are certain times of the year where your vitamin levels should be a little bit low, vitamin D levels. And is it right for them to be high all the time? Chrono, vitamin D3. Yeah, right. But chronotypes.

That makes me wonder. I mean, for men, if our levels do go down as we get older, right, and higher levels make us feel younger. I mean, I get it. 40, 50, whatever, 60. Yeah, All right. But when you get to the, like your eighties, nineties, I'm just curious to see what's going to be going on with people go take an HRT into those times. Cause I hope to God that it actually is great. Right. I hope that there are no really weird side effects because this is a new thing for us. We don't have, you know, I don't think we have evidence of anybody in their eighties and nineties going on HRT. Right. But now we will. And if it, if it turns out great, that's, that's awesome. But I wonder like, is there a good reason for having those levels go down as you become an older individual? Right. A healthy reason. I don't know, but makes me wonder. I think, uh, I think from like a practicality standpoint and from like a evolutionary standpoint, you know, you're supposed to be able to reproduce for about this, for about gay long, you know, and then, and then your luck runs out, you know.

Like, you know, losing your sight and losing your hearing and your testosterone levels going down. And, like, I think all those things are kind of a natural part of getting older. But I also don't know if they have to be. And that's kind of the question at hand. But I think, you know, who knows if we're ever supposed to be, married and stuff like that and we're supposed to be together with somebody else forever. But in some weird way, it works out pretty decent if you're with someone forever, you're similar age and you both go on that decline together and now you're buddies and friends and, you know, you don't fuck as much anymore. My dad popped out a baby at 60. Yeah. Yeah.

Seriously. That's amazing. Just like super quick thought. Maybe the decline is to slow us down on purpose. You know, we can't be 80, 90 years old trying to hunt a wolf or a wolf like a, you know, dinner, right? Watch us. I know, but I'm just saying, so maybe evolutionarily we're supposed to slow down so that way we can be the wise old man to teach the rest of the tribe how to how to hunt, how to gather, how to do this and that. Time for us to step aside. Yeah.

Yeah. That's an out there thought. But that just hit me right now. But hey, fuck, I guess modern technology is just like that. That's what a we're supposed to be advancing. Right. Yeah. So maybe this is just a natural part of our advancement.

When you're old, you don't have to feel old. In my 90s'm gonna be on so much shit hey me too i guess well and maybe to uh carl's point like maybe they're maybe they are supposed to go lower but maybe they're not supposed to go as low as what we're seeing nowadays that was huge yeah because of all the fucking potpourri in the air man yeah don't be spraying that shit near me you're gonna give me tits for reals take us on out of here andrew will thank you everybody for checking out today's episode uh almost made it that looks so online it was online is yep front of the rim uh everybody that was watching the meathead meetup that was cool

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