Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 501 - Eugene Trufkin

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

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What up Power Project crew, this is Josh Setledge aka SettleGate here to introduce you to our next guest Eugene Trufkin. Eugene Trufkin is the Orange County Fat Loss Trainer. He's the author of the books Laws of Aesthetics and Anti-Factory Farm Shopping Guide. He studied at UC Irvine and earned a degree in psychology as well as is a Czech Institute trained professional trainer. He grew up on a biodynamic farm with his family in Ukraine, and upon coming to America, he saw the way the same foods he had at home were supplied at places like Costco. This sparked a curiosity within him to see the truth within America's factory farming industry. His book, Anti-Factory Farming Shopping Guide, is centered around helping people be able to go to their local grocery store and be able to properly shop for foods that have not been altered, deteriorated, or contaminated from factory farming.

But you guys probably don't want to hear about that because that's a different story. So please enjoy this conversation with our next guest, Eugene Trufkin. What's happening? What's happening with you? We just got a workout in. You were working out for like four hours, Andrew. I did today, yes. Came in early, got a good solid training session, looked over at my phone.

Mark's like, hey, I'm on my way in. You know, going to work out. I'm like, I'm like, you know, three quarters of the way done with mine. But I'm like, cool, I'll see you soon. You know, he gets here. I'm finishing up. I'm pretty gassed. He's like, hey hey you want to you want

to hop in meanwhile i had my phone in my pocket sweater you know i'm getting ready to yeah absolutely i want to jump in and then just do my arms my lats shoulders don't forget the shins you guys do some tippy at us right yeah just big big tips we're gonna be so good looking show you my big old tip yeah oh yeah i know my wife won't let me leave the house with shorts anymore you're not going anywhere with those tips you get back here cover those things up put on some uh deadlift socks or something you know but yeah we those are like they're really hard just leaning up against the wall and doing sets of 25. It's brutal. Yeah.

There's a lot of progression that can be made on that one. It's crazy. It's just your body weight. But it works. It feels so frustrating. Mm-hmm. Because I'm like, eh, this should be okay. Halfway through and then a little bit after that, it's like, oh, my gosh.

I'm not going to be able to, if I have to step up a curb or something, I'm not going to be able to lift my toes up to, you know, it's so exciting though, man. I feel like it's crazy. Isn't it? Isn't it great. I, uh, sent,

uh, Ben Patrick, the knees over toes. I sent him a picture of me with the sled and I had like, I just stacked it up as many places I could for some of the, uh, backwards walks. And I said,

I have to overdo everything. And he was like, well, when you overdo backwards walking, he's like, all you get is stronger kneecaps. He's like, it's amazing. Yeah. But it's been feeling good. Everything's been, uh, working pretty good. I am making myself a little too sore cause I am getting carried away with some of it, but I'm really trying to look at it day to day as just like an exercise or two to implement, which he didn't even recommend. He recommended more like almost, uh, doing certain movements almost like weekly and, and maybe even like twice a week. But I'm

just doing a lot of them every day. Cause I'm just trying to get used to them because I'm also like, uh, I'm doing them very like super carefully. At least I think I am because I just have never been in these positions before. So I'm like, let me see what some of this shit's going to do to me, you know? A quick public service announcement. I was talking to you guys about this yesterday. Respect all weight. So yesterday was supposed to be a deadlift workout along with like a full body thing where I was going to be doing a lot of knees over toes stuff and a lot of other full body stuff. over toe stuff and a lot of other full body stuff so while warming up on my deadlifts which was going to be the which was the first move in the day i put what 245 on the bar because we're using

55 pound plates cool or not not not 245 155 once 265 and this is like this is for me this is bitch weight like it's easy peasy right i could lift this in my sleep i didn't respect the weight i didn't respect my hip position at the start of the deadlift. And I kind of put my hips in a weird place and I left the ground and I just felt a little in my lower back, like a little, little, little muscle. So yeah, there's this little muscle in my lower back. That's, you know, kind of uncomfortable. And I'm going to have to take a little bit of a break from jujitsu or hard sparring and stuff. But I just say all of this to tell you guys, respect every single way, Treat your warmup weight like your top sets. And we say that all the time, but sometimes we just don't practice it and we pay the price.

Yeah. You just bend down, pick the weight up. And, uh, it's hard to know if, if any of these things are like preventable, but what it does do is it allows you to add a lot of criticism to the way that you're training or something you've done in the last couple of weeks. And you could say, ah, maybe the way I'm sleeping on my side all the time is causing this to happen or maybe uh some of these new movements are so new to me that i should actually pay attention to all of my training since i have new movements maybe it's offsetting my hips or whatever it might

be like that could be the case with you from doing all these uh like ass to grass lunges maybe it's setting your hips in some new spots. Maybe it's just challenging your body in ways that you haven't been challenged before. Yeah. No, it definitely is. And like you were saying yesterday, adding all these things in, I don't feel any crazy extra fatigue. But all of these new, better positions I'm getting into, there's going to be some give out somewhere. So that just means I have to be even more careful with everything I do.

That's all. Just got to be even more careful. But there's still a lot of things I can progress for these next few weeks. I'm happy. Our guest today, we're going to be talking a lot about farming, factory farming, and just food labels. factory farming and just, uh, food labels. You know, we've, we've had other guests on the show that have, uh, opened their eyes to organic free range.

Anya for now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And we've had a lot of great guests on share information and, uh, the guests today, uh, Eugene is going to share a lot of these things with us. Um, he talks a lot about, you know, grass fed cows, how, you know, all cows are grass fed. I've heard that before. Um, he talks a lot about, you know, grass fed cows, how, you know, all cows are grass fed. I've heard that before. Um, but he has some different information on that even because people will say grass fed and grass finished. Um, there's things where people will say, you know, a lot of these things are just about money and it's hard to, you know, have a really good, well, uh, it's, it's hard to have a really concise organization to review all of these companies that make food, that produce food. Um, cause there's the giants in the, in the giant corporations, and then there's a smaller one. So there's,

there's companies all over the place and then you have like local farming. And so I'd imagine that the whole process is probably not easy to manage. So, uh, there's that side of things. But a lot of times just to be organic, it's my understanding, you just need to pay for it. They're supposed to like check your soil and things like that. And it's supposed to be like a two year grace period before you can even become organic. But then your actual product doesn't have to be fully organic for you to say organic. It could be about 70 organic and

then who knows what that other 30 is we don't know the repercussions of that we don't know the repercussions of having pesticides and um glyphosates and mercury and i guess i guess we kind of do know people are are very sick but people are probably mostly sick just from what we already know which is over over abundanceundance of food, overeating. So it'd be kind of nice to know from our guest today what his thoughts are. If we just simply don't overeat, do we have to really give a fuck too much about the omega-6, omega-3 ratio of the particular cow that we got the food from and things like that? I still think that those things can matter.

I just, I just wonder since he studies it to like what degree, maybe it does matter. Yeah. It does make me curious, you know, especially after having Trent loose on the podcast and Anya, I feel like there's like a range of what's about to happen here.

I feel like on the, on the opposite side of, of this is, is our, is going to be our current guest kind of towards the middle is anya and towards the uh right side where they're proponents of um factory farming we got trent loose so if you guys listen to this podcast you should listen to all of those to be able to kind of come to a good conclusion there but i heard him mention something interesting

i right now my personal feelings is that you know, from the perspective of consumer and trying to be healthy, it's not the biggest deal, right? I mean, if you can just get more protein into your diet, no matter what way you have to do it, you can live a healthier lifestyle, you can lose some weight. It's not the biggest deal. But I heard him say something, and he was mentioning how, like, in babies now, they're finding a lot of these chemicals that are actually out being sprayed. They're finding that in their bloodstream, you know, and I'm just like, this has me curious. Like what like what what long term ramifications is that going to have on like births and potential defects, etc. Is it that actually big of a deal? As far as our health is concerned, I personally don't think it's that big of a deal but that i'm very curious about

it could be some of the things that are leading to um you know some of our children uh or females in particular like starting their menstrual cycles at way different ages than they used to i think sometimes it's i think now it's like much earlier, much earlier. And men is much later. Yeah. They're, yeah. Their maturation into like adulthood or whatever you want to call it is, is much later.

It's getting, it's all getting altered a lot. I think there's also a lot of, uh, proof or there's a lot of information, uh, pointing to the fact that, uh,

men have quite a bit of less, less testosterone than he used to. And like, is that from this stuff or is that because we don't go outside and like shovel ditches and use axes and like get some yeah do stuff that's quote unquote like man i don't have any idea like i don't know what i don't know what uh would quantify you to have like great testosterone levels but it's all just interesting stuff i feel like it's just all of the above at this point but i mean that's a rabbit hole that

you can go down and get super lost in you know because uh you know my son started looking at like baby food it's like why does this exist and then you like read one article after another about how there's like different like uh what is it like lead and like aluminum and like all kinds of weird like like metals inside of like like gerber baby foods and stuff it's like why the fuck is that even there but going back to like what you were saying about like you know for like the consumer and stuff like i always see it as like a good better best yeah like okay like if we take out the bullshit like you're not eating candy you're not eating donuts and stuff and then you're gonna go get chicken breast like okay it's good to get whatever they have they have at walmart it's a little bit better

to get the expensive one and then the best option is probably going to be the organic you know whatever uh free range chicken that you're going to get from like a butcher or something or an actual farm but the difference between that low end versus that high end i mean it's probably negligible, in my opinion. You know, are you getting that good option, that good choice? All right, go with that one at least. That's the minimum. And then everything else, if it makes you feel better, then go for it.

This story gets more complicated. I bet it does. The high end stuff and the low end stuff is owned by the same people. Yeah, fuck off. And you're allowed to, you have a, like, wiggle room, you know. The high end stuff and the low end stuff is owned by the same people. Yeah. Fuck off. And you're allowed to, you have a like wiggle room, you know,

um, uh, I'm all for like the American way and like free enterprise and like, yeah, let's have people make fuck tons of money. Let's figure this out. Right. I'm all for a lot of those things, but at the same time,

uh, you know, you don't want the consumer being lied to, you know, you don't want the consumer being kind of screwed over in the end. So it, I don't know, it can be, it can be frustrating because like you're saying, you're trying to make a good decision and you work hard for your paycheck week in, week out. And you're like, I'm going to, I'm going to get this thing that's $9.99 as opposed to

this thing that's $5.99 because I'm making a better, healthier choice for me and my family. And then it turns out that it doesn't fucking matter at all because it's not really what it's supposed to be. It would be great if it really was what it was supposed to be, but we're going to learn today how much truth there is to some of the labeling of some of these foods. Anya told us a lot about that,

but I've heard some of what he talks about, and I'm not going to ruin any of it, but there are some things that i was just like what like for even even free range there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a big old asterisk and next to free yeah like we don't even realize and i i always point back to it but supersize me too just it's it's fun to watch it because it's entertaining um i don't even know if you call it a documentary but um uh spurlock i forgot his first name the guy that made supersize me the first one he did it again but with making a chicken restaurant and he basically just wants to make the a healthy quote healthy chicken restaurant and show like what ends up happening

and chris bell says this all the time you set out to film a certain type of movie and in the middle of it it changes and evolves into something else and you film a completely different movie yeah that's kind of what happened with this one and he just kind of like uh under uh he reveals like all the bullshit behind free range non-hormone and all this other stuff that makes you like, Oh, I'm going to pay a little bit extra for that. Yeah.

The only thing that Anya said when she was talking about like the bleach in the, the chicken, which I'm like, Oh, that's what that weird gooey, right? Like liquid that shoots out.

I wonder like when it comes to chicken, if we should just stop eating it, you know, it seems like it's like highly problematic. Like it seems like there if we should just stop eating it. It seems like it's highly problematic. It seems like there's a lot of issues with chicken. Yeah, it seems like in particular, right? Whenever somebody's like grilling, they're like, oh yeah, I can cook hamburgers,

I can cook steak, but I don't mess with chicken because it's salmonella. Like, eh, no. Right, right. Overcook the hell out of your chicken, man. But I mean, that's the thing, man. It's cheap. Right, yeah. It's cheap. It can eat a lot of people. It's a great Right. Yeah. It's cheap. It can eat a lot of people. Low fat. It's a great source of protein. Especially like an entire chicken.

You can throw the whole goddamn thing in the oven. Yeah. And it's really cheap and you can live off of that for a while. It tastes damn good too. If you know how to cook it right. So yeah, it'd be great to kind of get to the bottom of a lot of this stuff. And then eggs are pretty complicated. You know, they got, you know, the free range eggs or the omega-3 eggs and what the uh you know what the animal ate

what is fed flax seeds or whatever the fuck it's fed you know it's like it all gets to be very confusing very quickly i think yeah is is our guest from is he from ukraine yeah originally yeah so i feel like uh i think he said he like grew up on a farm or something yeah a biodynamic farm i think it's called which is just which i think is just in reference to there's many animals i think it's funny that's what yeah it's funny like when you picture farms like when when i pictured farm as a kid like you think of like the farmer and he holds the freaking three steak thing and he has his family. You know what I'm talking about?

He has his family and they're farming, but like... Overalls. Overalls, right? Got a shotgun. Ford truck. Nearby at all times. But man, farming is not that. Farming is...

Farming is really interesting. I'm out in the middle of nowhere where there's almonds and olives and there's cattle in Dixon, California. There's all kinds of stuff out there. And I never see anybody. I never see anybody doing anything to their farm because it's like a lot of it's that there's a lot of machines that come through and do it. And I'm sure there's certain times of the year that they harvest and there's people out there working on it. But like like in Seaman said, you think like a farmer, like he's out there fucking busting his ass every day but i don't see anybody anywhere i see i see tons of cows everywhere yeah i see tons of uh almonds and

and olives and all these kinds of things but i never see anyone anywhere next time if i do see someone i'll fucking take a picture but it'll probably be like three years from now because i very rarely see anybody you're like yeah you would imagine they're like out there with their shotgun shooting like rodents from like stealing all their crops. Get off my lawn. Yeah. Looney Tunes. Yeah, I would remember. So I have family in winter.

So right kind of near Dixon. So traveling to winters, you travel through a lot of farm area. And yeah, I remember like there's nobody out here ever. through a lot of farm area and yeah i remember like there's nobody out here ever like and then like laughing at you know their big old gigantic sprinklers that are on those big old wheels that just turn like man we got to get some of those for the house because our sprinklers suck that's the thing about factory farming man like you can legit like place that like a factory farm almost anywhere like you can just build that building, puck a bunch of animals in there and go to town.

Right. So, I mean, it's, it gets tough cause it's like, you know, there's, there's a fight against factory farming,

but I wonder, is that fight ever even going to be able to be run with how efficient factory farming is at churning out all of this meat and all these animals so quickly how can you fight that we're in for we're in for a side treat too with today's guest because he's a thinker and i was on his podcast before and i was telling andrew like i said we can kind of ask this guy anything we can ask him uh you know all kinds of different questions because he studies like psychology and things like that so uh we're not just limited to just talking about farming and just talking about cows and stuff. So I'm pretty pumped up about being able to,

you know, go down a bunch of different rabbit holes today. This is pretty damn awesome. What'd you guys talk about on his podcast? We all kinds of shit. We talked about everything. And we talked about lifting. He's also,

uh, somebody who's, uh, certified by Paul check. Um, Paul check is somebody that it's like way overdue. We need to have him like here in person at some point. Yeah.

So maybe through our guests today, maybe we can figure that out. Cause I'd love to have Paul check here at super training gym. Been a long time coming. He had the check Institute and he like certifies people and he's just been a, he's a legend. He's been around forever. He's been assisting and helping people for many,

many years. Good friends with our buddy, uh, Kyle Kingsbury and, uh, Paul check has put together some great books and lectures and all kinds of stuff. Would you call Paul check?

Like the holistic Poliquin? Yeah. Right. That's kind of what I think about Paul check. Like he's, he's very Paul Quinn ask, except he's kind of focused on a few other different things. I like that.

He's weird too. He's like piling up like rocks and shit. You ever see him doing that stuff? Like, Oh, Hey, whatever, whatever gives you good peace of mind. You know what I mean? I feel that. Oh man. So I mixed, um, some, was it the raspberry element in some unflavored iced tea?

No, you didn't. It was so good. Oh wow. That actually sounds like you really okay i i did put uh one little thing of sucralose in there but other than that that was some good ass tea we guys always talk about mixing it with chocolate but i tried something a little bit different and it came out amazing i've never purchased sucralose i've never even used it i think is it just like a sugar packet you're naturally sweet that's why naturally sweet thanks daddy double entendre yeah yeah well so like even like

there's a there's a little box over there full of uh true guys silly how do you know how he tastes it's kind of anyway you know oh you're talking about his demeanor naturally oh yeah okay anyway it's delicious but it tastes way better with element yeah nah it's it's you know what's funny okay so this is this is a cool story about electrolytes one of my buddies he had this heart issue. Have I ever told you guys about it? No, no.

Okay. He had a heart issue cause he was working a lot. Like, um, he had like a fib or something like that. It could have been a regular heartbeat type deal, but like literally kind of cause what would happen is like, cause he was working so much and he was kind of stressed. He would literally like get such heart pain that it would force him to like, just sit down like sit for a few minutes so he went to the doctor yeah scare the shit out of me he went to the hospital and they're like you just need to you know you need to calm down on working right now because you're only getting like five hours of sleep every single night whatever so

he was like i gave him a box or whatever and he kind of noticed immediately that he wasn't having those issues anymore right and he went on for like a few weeks cool box of element okay right so he went to the doctor he was like what do you think the issue was here they were probably like well you were probably electrolyte deficient maybe you didn't have enough potassium magnesium in your diet and it was causing slightly irregular heartbeat right and then there was a period of time where he didn't take it for a few days and it came back immediately that's crazy immediately so it was just an electrolyte deficiency but that that electrolyte deficiency was messing with his heart which i was

like damn yeah that's insane element saving lives potassium can have a major impact on your heart to the point where most of the companies that make electrolytes are very careful about how much potassium they put in there uh because too much potassium can be, well, too much of anything can be kind of lethal. But in potassium's case, it's like people need to be a little bit more cautious with that. And it could have been a combination of things. It could have been sodium as well. It could have been magnesium is supposed to be like kind of heart healthy to a certain degree, I guess. But yeah, that's, that's, that's really fascinating.

I had something similar happened a couple of years ago when I was like, when I started doing some more boxing and stuff, I just had like, I didn't have like chest pain, but I kept getting like a weird, I kept getting like my left pec kept like flexing all the time. Yeah. And it was making me panic because I'm like, well, that's the side of your fucking heart's on. And it was, it was different than just a muscle spasm. And I was like, what? I'm like, well, that's the side your fucking heart's on. And it was different than just a muscle spasm.

And I was like, what? I'm like, what is this? And so just in talking to some of my friends and stuff that know a lot about these things, they're like, the training that you're doing is probably just pretty high demand. It was early in the morning. And you probably need some more electrolytes. So just getting in more electrolytes helped a ton. And then I just needed to, I needed to allow myself more time to adjust to what I was doing.

Anytime you do something new, you got to really, even if you're going to experiment, do some of the stuff that we're doing with the knees over toes stuff. You know, if you've never done it before, you got to remember where you're coming from too. Like my,

like I think, you know, your you've never done it before, you got to remember where you're coming from too. Like my, like, I think, uh, you know, your body's going to be unique. You went through circumstances and things that no one else did. Uh, for me, you know, people have seen my powerlifting career and I was a pro wrestler for a while and I played football and I've done a lot of things to where you would figure that my body should be history. Like I should have died a long time ago you know basically uh but it's still you know still hanging on but whenever i try anything new you know i'm about to try me some jujitsu i know i've been talking about it forever i finally went to the uh the dojo and uh we're

gonna get we're gonna get it on over there and see see how it goes but even in trying that like i'm gonna flat out tell the guy like i i'm a fucking pussy do not judge this book by its cover like i i am brand new like i'm gonna be the most fragile person that you've ever met in your life so here we go like let me just start from square one and yeah go from there hell yeah well so for more information on element electrolytes head over to drink lmnt.com slash power project uh links and everything will be down in the description and podcast show notes. And I believe they still are offering their free element recharge pack. You get eight samples.

You just pay a $5 shipping. Again, that's at drinklmnt.com slash powerproject. Seema, what do you think your biggest takeaway is from Ben Patrick so far? Like if you had to pick, you know, I know you're doing multiple exercises and you're somebody that like takes it pretty serious. Like you're like following, I think you're following like full program. I'm just kind of picking and choosing some different shit he showed me. But what's kind of your main take home if there would be like kind of one exercise or one thing that you think could really move the needle for a lot of other people? That ATG split squat.

There's a reason why he has that as like the the main movement on everything because not only do you get a deep knee flexion but also load it ideally after some time you can load it you also get deep hip extension on the opposite hip and if you're focusing on staying upright that can actually really improve your mobility through there that can can help out your knee, like your knee mobility. That can help out like knee problems if you have any because you can load it over time. And like he has all the regressions and progressions for it. So if you're able to get good at that one movement, you'll probably see a lot of benefit in mobility, number one, because you're now loading that, right? You're loading that right you're you're you're loading that

through space um so you're not just getting flexible and mobile but you're getting strong in that range um and yeah that that'll have a lot of good carryover to hip mobility in terms of like dead lifting squatting um you ended up with multiple benefits i mean you're stretching the achilles tendon on both sides on both your left and your right. It's also a good amount of ankle mobility. Yeah. Ankle mobility. Calves.

Yeah. Hips. Your hip flexor. The other side, you know, the side that you have, I guess, back, your glute is flexing. Yeah. You have to flex to put your hip into extension. Glute activation. Keep you upright.

Are you doing like reps with that with any sort of weight or? Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I have kettlebells now. I'm using kettlebells. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, and pretty much you just stay on one leg and you, you go down, you get deep into that position, you come back up, you get deep into that position. So I'm usually doing sets of like five to eight on each leg.

But, um, this is the, this is a really cool thing about it. I don't know if you guys have seen videos with like Ben doing side splits or whatever. The reason why he's able to get into those positions. So he's a maniac. Yeah. But the reason why he's able to get into those positions is because he's loading himself. Like he, with, with all of these movements, there's doing it with body weight, then there's loading through these. And then that load helps

you get deeper and deeper into these positions while maintaining strength in these positions. Right. I think I've been able to achieve somewhat of that because I do all this flexibility and mobility training, but then I also lift. Right. So I don't, I don't lift and do those things at the same time, but that lifting helps me maintain strength in deep positions, but he's putting that together in what he does. So ATG split squats, like a deep mobilization along with loading with strength. So you're getting strong through those really weird looking deep positions and you're able to be really strong and flexible in them too. It's not anything where you need like a lot of weight either.

I mean, you're just holding some kettlebells. I mean, you're a strong dude, so you can probably handle some weight, but people that are listening, like just try some of this stuff. Use,

use kind of a more partial range of motion at first, if you're new or if anything hurts. Yeah. On a box, I was doing it on like an incline bench because the angle of the incline bench, um, just kind of worked better. And instead of me having, you know, 235 or 240 pounds, my own body weight on top of me and getting a ton of that overpressure, which is what you really want. I just feel like I'm not all that prepared for that because the positions are so new to me. So I was doing it today just on a, like an incline. I've done it off the slant board ramp.

I've done it off of something like slightly elevated on that front foot. And it just takes off a bunch of weight, you know, and then on top of that, if you need to, you can balance with something else to the side. You could put your hands on your thighs as you go forward. Like there's a lot of different ways of doing this. So people that have been following along and been seeing some of the stuff that we've been doing, don't think that you can't do it. You know, there's, there's ways of doing it. And the main thing that I learned from doing this is that I'm a lot smarter

than Ben Patrick. I can't wait. I can't wait to see him because I got so many different things to talk to him about. No, more on a more serious note, he talks a lot about progressions, right? And he talks about going from here to here and he's super excited about that because he loves fucking dunking a basketball and his end result is, or his goal is, is, you know, he wants to be able to dunk and be able to be proficient with jumping and landing and all those things. Uh, but I do

think there's a lot of room to find more regressions so that you open up the, you open up how many people want to do it because how many people give a fuck about dunking a basketball? Not that many people care. A lot of people do, right? A lot of people do want to do that but more people would rather just be like yeah i wish my knees were just springy as fuck and then i wish that they never hurt i wish my knees were never an issue so i had a bunch of different uh things that i was thinking about one of them being um just going to a chin-up bar and placing a band through the chin-up bar and then using the band as like a harness and put it around your body or you could set this up in any sort of rack once you do that now you can lunge forward and you have a support it's like a reverse band

you know reverse band lunge reverse band squat yeah but what people would be shocked at is even if you're actually really mobile you'll still be able to get in positions you never otherwise would be able to get into because your body is really resistant to it. Your body's like, if you have too much weight or too much resistance, your body's kind of like, whoa, like, what are we doing here? And so by doing stuff like that, you're kind of, you're doing something that's a little bit more welcoming, a little easier uh for those of you that aren't as bendy as our buddy ben you know the crazy thing you guys remember when i was texting you about like i don't know if i texted you or i talked to you about not being able to do leg extensions because of the pain in my right yeah yeah you told me many times i can do leg extensions now without an issue wow that's fucking crazy remember my memory i think i'm winning all the ass kicking contests but you remember when like i was like was like, I can't, I can barely do 50 pound like single

leg length extensions because it would mess with my knee. Right. I can do those now. And that's the thing. That's the crazy fact that like the, the connective tissues are actually getting stronger because of this shit. It's insane. Yeah.

They can, they can get better. Yeah. I towed the tank M1. I love that damn tank that thing's amazing on saturday i towed it walking backwards for 20 minutes and that crushed me damn but it was awesome well because you know i'm not supposed to do like my my normal cardio which is on a treadmill so i'm like how can i still get my cardio in without it being like i don't mind walking i like walking but like, but like, you know, because of who we are, we're like, I want a little bit more of a challenge. So I just strapped the tank to my body and then I just walked backwards, listened to an audio book.

And then it's like, you know, I got notice like notifications in my ear and stuff. But I, so I did 10 minutes backwards, 10 minutes forwards, minutes forwards 10 minutes backwards 10 minutes forwards did it for a mile and it like when uh ben was talking about you know when you get a pump in your quads and like you can just keep going and you like you don't feel like you're gonna get hurt and i was like oh that's what he was talking about that is such an awesome exercise it is really interesting having a pump and then not feeling like the joints around it hurt any longer. That is strange. It's so weird.

I mean, it's great. Yeah, it's great that it works that way, right? Yeah. But think about like so many things that, like you just did, so many things you can add backwards walking to. Like I was doing some kettlebell carries with one arm, right, for ab work. And I was like, why don't I just do this backwards too? So I'd walk forward, walk backwards, walk forward, walk backwards with it. There's so many things you can add to that with exercise.

Even fucking farmer's walks. Farmer's carries with like two dumbbells or two kettlebells. You could walk forwards and you could also be careful. But you could also walk backwards, right? There's going to be some benefit there. There's going to be some carryover. Yeah. I've been liking reading some of the comments on like the Ben Patrick videos that we put out.

People saying like, whoa, I've been doing that for a long time i guess i was on to something like you know people being like no it absolutely does feel better to walk uphill backwards like everyone looks at me weird but i'm like hey this just feels better i don't know why and it's like here is ben patrick being like no that's what you should be doing it's freaking awesome yeah just be careful he don't fucking wipe out. Yeah. Yeah, we don't want that to happen. Let's get Eugene on. Flexing him triceps. Be careful, dude. Who is he checking that out?

Who is on here that flexed the entire time? Was that my buddy Mike, right? He was flexing the whole time? Flexing his pecs? I don't remember. He might have been. Hey, what's up, guys? Hey, what's happening? Sorry to interrupt. Give me a sec. Let me fix this camera thing.

Yeah, you're a little sidewards there for a second. There we go. Does that work? Yeah, it works good. Absolutely. It works great. Hey, what's up, Mark? Andrew, good to meet you. Hey, good to see you guys. Nice to meet you. I'm Andrew. I look a little bit different than that guy.

Oh, Andrew. Okay okay wrong guy sorry mike mike mark andrew okay i got you his name is in sema in sema in sema okay now i got it right okay so from now on i will remember the names it seemed to uh and, Andrew, and Mark. Okay. You can excuse me. I was like, wait, what? We're all good. Great to have you on the show today. We talk a lot about nutrition. We talk a lot about training. We talk a lot specifically about what we eat and how we can be healthier and stuff. And we're big proponents of just trying to make the best healthy and how we can be healthier and stuff. And, you know, we're big proponents of, you know, just trying to make the best healthy

choices that we can. But as with a lot of the things that you've researched, we kind of find out that it's more difficult to find high quality food that isn't, you know, riddled with potential problems. What are some of the maybe like key things that you've kind of discovered that you come across that have been shocking, that will shock some of our guests today or some of the people that are listening today that you've seen when it comes to, you know, grass fed labels, grass finished, organic, things of this nature that we think we're paying more

money and we think that we've gotten that taken care of. We're like, Oh good. I made a really good choice. What are some things that we should be looking out for with some of those things? Yeah. So with the grass fed label, I guess I'll just cover some very basic, like well-known things in the beginning, just to kind of lay the foundation and kind of dive into like things that aren't too well-known, but things that people kind of fall for like very very often i fell for it for many years myself uh so it's important with like the grass fed label claim to understand that like first and foremost like all cattle are grass fed and it doesn't really say too much uh when you see the grass fed label in the sense that like uh throughout like 80 of a typical cattle's life they they do spend on pasture. But then for the

last like 20% or so, like 99% of them are typically sent to like what's referred to as a feedlot. And they're fed like basically like a non species specific diet of, of grains, because it's a pound per pound industry. So obviously, the more pounds you get on the animal, the more money you'll be able to make, and the faster you'll be able to finish them, the turnaround is faster, etc, etc. So like a lot of times when you see the grass fed label claim, it doesn't really mean much because most of the time is just like grass fed and grain finished. But then oftentimes people say like, Oh, well, Eugene, like my, my beef is like grass fed and uh grass finished and you hear that like very often and like usually uh because it's not like a regulated term there are no on-site inspections whatsoever like anyone can kind of make these claims and you just basically fill out some

paperwork and no one goes there to check etc etc and because it's kind of like a competitive environment usually what happens like when you hear hear like grass fed and grass finished labels is like, I could, as a rancher, simply feed the cattle, you know, grass for, let's just say eight months, put them on grain for four or five months, and then finishing them on grass for like a week or so, and then still sell it as grass fed and grassished. And I'm not lying. It is grass-fed and grass-finished. But I didn't mention the part where I fed them grains or supplemented with grains. Or sometimes you could even sell it like as grass-fed and grass-finished because there are no on-site inspections.

I mean, who's going to check? One of my friends, which is like an agricultural researcher, Jason Runtree, they did like, they basically pulled like 12 to 15 different grass fed, marketed as grass fed pasture raised operations in the US. And they did a meat analysis on the meat. And basically, they showed that, you know, out of these 12 or 15, I forget the exact number, like seven of them, their nutritional profile is just like grain finished beef. And they're being sold in the marketplace as grass fed. And oftentimes, you could even go to the grocery store, like any grocery store and just look at the grass fed beef they're selling. I mean, like, what do you see? You see like red meat that has like white fat on it you know that's like a dead giveaway that it's basically grain finished meat and it says like grass-fed on it so typically what uh the color you want to look for for legitimate like grass-fed beef is like a a deep

burgundy red if not almost like purple and like the fat should be yellow and like very squishy like very very soft but if you press on the fat of a lot of this grass fed beef that's sold at the supermarket, it's like very hard, almost like candle wax, you know, so it's like visually you can it's very easy to it's very easy to tell you're getting kind of like knockoff, knockoff beef. And then sometimes people say like, Oh, it says like 100% grass fed Eugene, like 100%. That's it. It's 100% grass fed. But I could be like a rancher and simply, and I actually fell for this one. I bought 100% grass fed beef from like a high end supermarket for the longest time.

And one day I just called the company. I'm like, oh, like, what are you guys like? How do you how do your guys' operations work, et cetera, et cetera. And they didn't lie. They're like, oh, we raise them on pasture. But at the end end we send them to like a feedlot where we feed them grass pellets and it depends on like how they make the grass pellets but oftentimes to help like uh preserve the pellets they they they put like la into the pellet the basically la is uh found in the grain it's uh omega-6 and when it's digested by the animal it's broken down into the aa arachidonic acid which is a potent pro-inflammatory

so that's what makes the omega-6 kind of shoot way up in relation you hear a lot of people with grass-fed claims talking about the omega-3 to omega-6 ratio uh basically when the the cattle eat grain because they're it's not a species specific diet for that animal it causes the omega-6 to shoot way up in relation uh to omega-3 so you could be getting the grass pellets but because they're kind of solidified and made with the LA. I mean, it's still, you'll probably get a ratio of like one omega-3 to like 10, 20 or 30 omega-6, which is basically the same as grass-fed, or I'm sorry, which is basically the same as like grain-finished beef. So you're running into the same problem there. And then in the U.S., because of the deep consolidation of the agricultural industry,

oftentimes you don't even know, like 90% of the beef that's sold in the US isn't even from the US. And you don't know that because it says product of the US on the label, but like, what is product of the USA even mean these days? So like six, six years ago, or seven years ago, it meant that it was grown, harvested and packaged in the USA, which is like what the consumer has a mental image of when they see that label. And that's fair to say. But these days, product of the USA means like I could just import some carcasses from Mexico, process them, and package them in California, and still sell it as product of the USA, totally 100% legal by the books. So, uh, so there's, there's a lot of,

yeah, a lot of stuff going on. It's not as easy for some, for some reason it's become like almost impossible to find legitimate high quality food in the U S even when your intention is to do so. So I understand that most people, they're just looking for the deal, you know, they want the cheapest food, and that's okay, that's their choice. But even for the people that are trying to take it to the next level, and optimize their health, optimize their performance and get the highest quality food, it's literally become like, almost impossible to find it to find that in the u.s so before we progress too deep um for listeners that like are listening and they're like okay well if it's 80 grass fed and then the last 20 or whatever is grain fed to help them grow super

fast other than the omega-6s why does this matter for me like like why is this a big deal for my health if i'm if i'm trying to get that handled so can we answer that so we can understand then why this is so important yeah so there there's a lot of ways that uh we could approach that topic like one of the less known ones and i actually found out about this about like a year ago at this point from uh terry cotran she's the author of the wilditarian diet like very knowledgeable nutritionist and just like uh just a very knowledgeable good resource in general and when you get uh basically when you so if it's grain finished it's it's coming from a feedlot you know like 99.9 chance sometimes they do finish grain on pasture so they typically bring bins out

there full of grain so the cattle are still pasture, but that's like a very small invisible percentage of operations that actually do that. So you have to presume it's coming from a feedlot. And when you confine animals into basically like a highly confined environment, three things happen. So one, obviously it's stressful. They're packed like shoulder to shoulder and this causes a like low grade chronic inflammation when they're packed shoulder to shoulder and they're not moving around. You're obviously going to get a lot of fecal built up like a single pig poops, like about 10 pounds of poop a day. You know, imagine having like 2000 of these guys in a warehouse. I was saying you're getting around like a couple of million pounds of poop in a one concentrated like acre.

And then that's not counting their urine and all that stuff. And then the other thing is when you get them confined in a situation, you obviously have to give them like a lot of vaccines and medicines. And a lot of these vaccines cause chronic inflammation in the animal as well. So you have chronic inflammation from the confined situation, chronic inflammation because their immune system is on overdrive because of the stress, plus trying to fight off all this bacteria and stuff of that sort. And then chronic inflammation from the actual vaccines themselves. And when you get these three combined in one situation, the animal starts producing too

much serum amyloid A proteins. So in low amounts, it's totally okay. It's released by the liver. But when it starts going into like overdrive, too much of it is released. And certain aspects of those serum amyloid A proteins break off into amyloid A proteins, which are not soluble proteins. And they start forming as a plaque around the, it could be like one organ or multiple, it could be systemic, it could be multiple organs as well. And also to a smaller degree in the muscle tissue also. So there aren't

any, like long term studies in terms of like how this affects human health, but there are many mice feeding studies that show that when mice are fed beef that's contaminated with AA amyloid proteins, they too start developing that plaque in their organ tissue and their muscle tissue as well. And what kind of side effects are there from that? So it could vary, it could vary to something as extreme as Alzheimer's, if enough of it builds up in a specific organ gets affected too much. Or it could be something as annoying, but also that could lead to something serious, like gut issues, for example, or joint issues. So you have you have that also when you're feeding. Obviously, an animal and non-species specific diet you mentioned

you don't get that ideal omega-3 to omega-6 ratio but you also you can't possibly get uh a superior nutritional profile in the meat as well because the grain comes from a monocrop environment like basically a lot of especially like a lot of vegetarians for example um demonize meat production of any sort you know whether it's pasture-raised but especially if it's factory farmed uh meat but the the thing is it's like if you look at an apple if you see the world as an apple and you shave off like 75 70 of the surface that's like the ocean obviously you're not going to be farming anything there and then you shave off about like 15 of the remaining part that's land that can't be farmed in any way and then you the the remaining part is basically metropolitan areas and farmland

so if you take out like metropolitan areas, which are typically developed in the most fertile lands, you're only left with like, you know, five to 8% of the world's surface that's able to be farmed for actual food. And what's like one of the things that's destroying the environment, like monocropping. Monocropping is basically, I mean, you guys know, but for your listeners, it's when you grow like a single crop on like thousands of acres, thousands and thousands of acres. And when you do that, it basically depletes the soil, you need like about 46 different nutrients in the soil to optimize the nutritional profile of a plant. And more importantly, you need to kind of like seasonally rotate these plants, because every plant has a specific ratio of like

to kind of like seasonally rotate these plants because every plant has a specific ratio of like bacteria to fungi that helps optimize that plant's life. And that sets up a cascade for the soil, basically the soil food web. And the soil food web is what provides the nutritional profile for the crop. And when you start becoming deficient in certain like vitamins and minerals or certain aspects of the soil food web, the plant becomes sick. So what's nature's way of getting rid of sick plants? Nature's way of getting rid of sick plants is to send in pests. Pests don't eat healthy plants. They only come in to take out, their role is to take out unhealthy plants. So then what does the farmer have to do? The farmer has to use pesticides if they're not

going to change their practice, obviously. And they're not because it's kind of once you start that game, it's like you're stuck. You've invested so much money into machinery and to random biocides into the system. And your output has to be so great every time that if you try to change things around, even for a season or two, it could mean catastrophe for your whole business. So they have to use biocides and then this biocides kind of kill the soil even more. The next season, the plants are even weaker. They have to use more biocides.

There's so many cycles you can do that with before the soil is killed off completely and you can't farm anything anymore. And basically, you don't have that much land to begin with, you know, so once you start like messing up even a little bit of land, you have, it's not like you have much flexibility after that. But to get back to your point, I mean, like all these biocides that are used in the crop, they biomagnify in the food chain. So obviously, cattle, since we're talking about cattle now, they're like huge animals. You need like basically like 40 pounds, 30 to 40 pounds of grain and about like 120 pounds of grass to add one pound of meat onto the animal. one pound of meat onto the animal. You know, so if like, even if they're pasture raised,

and they're on grass, but they're using a lot of synthetic fertilizers to grow or other chemicals to grow this grass, that's going to make it into the nutritional profile of the meat. The average newborn in America is already born with trace amounts of 200 different chemicals in their body. Like that's just how they're starting life, you know? And there has been no safe safety studies on how this cocktail of chemicals brewing in your body 24-7 could affect your health long-term. But now since one out of every two Americans will develop cancer in their lifetime and half of those will die from it wait seriously i presume that's probably contributing to that problem one of two yeah it's it's it's very serious so it's like half now yeah whoa yes so there's that uh yeah sorry mark yeah it's mind-boggling i mean i'm just thinking like

off the top of my head there's there's some things like it's hard to sometimes uh associate any food practices with any sort of health outcomes uh this is part of why nutrition science is uh not great but you know you have like things like autoimmune disorders you have autism you have infertility um you have dementia you have things some of these things are not at least at the moment they're not all just connected to overeating whereas we have a lot of other things where we can just say look man like we just we just need to like not eat so much and move a little bit more and it that's not an easy thing to figure out either but uh at least it's fairly simple like hey stop eating cupcakes and you should be you should be on your way to being a little bit healthier.

But this kind of thing is really frustrating because there's a lot of people that are trying to put their best foot forward. They are trying to have the healthiest practices that they can, and it doesn't ensure you much of anything. Maybe at this point, maybe it can still ensure that the times that you are healthy, that you're more vibrant, you feel better, your mind is a little bit better. But there's also no guarantee that any of that doesn't just run out at one point. When I was on Joe Rogan's show, I pointed out to him, I was like, I don't think you're going to live to be like 120 because just because you eat better than most people. And he was like, I disagree. We didn't really get a chance to get into that topic more.

But that's the point that we're at now. You figure that if people could eat healthier and if they could maybe figure out a way to find high quality foods, maybe we could push that longevity number up quite a bit. You know, maybe it can be, it's fairly normal for people to live to 105 or 110 or even just be stronger as they get to be 90 or a hundred years old. Yeah, and the quantity is important, but I think like quality is super important too.

Like even if you go out at like 65 or 70, but you lived in like great great health you know your uh even like your aesthetics were great i mean that's going to have like a huge positive ripple effect on your life you know uh so it's like a lot of times um people are like oh you know this person lived into like 95 there's the medical marvel you know but this person lived into like 95. There's the medical marvel, you know, but the person spent like the last 15 years of their life in like a nursing home where someone had to like, basically help them go to the bathroom. Like every day I'm like, dude, that's, it's almost safe to say like, just end it, you know, 15 years before that, then having to

live that kind of lower quality of life for a long time. So. What do you think the problem is with, and I don't know how much of investigating you've done into this, but like, what is the problem of somebody's mission? Like someone like Bill Gates, because you mentioned like monocropping and I know that he's trying to, he's trying to get rid of like people eating meat almost altogether,

or at least it appears that way. What are some of your thoughts on some of the things that he's trying to do? If you are aware of them, I'm not too keen on exactly what he's trying to do. I know he's like a big investor into like artificial meats. I guess like the best thing I could say, it's like unhealthy people can't make healthy decisions or they wouldn't be unhealthy to begin with, you know? So kind of like from what I know about Bill Gates, he's not like the epitome of health, you know? He tries to be, he tries to kind of get his hands into like different things, but it's more over like kind of quick fixes type

of things. When you want to, you know, obviously have like a concrete resolution of something, you need to get down to the etiology of the problem. And the reason, I mean, like anywhere you step out in America these days, like literally anywhere, and the reason i mean like anywhere you step out in america these days like literally anywhere and i kind of chatted with you a little bit shortly with that last time we talked about like nine out of ten people you run into are full of obesity and disease like full of like mental and physical pain you know so it's like a systemic problem and nutrition being the food system being like one of those variables that's not leading to to the solution and on top of that i mean going back like what are all these artificial um

artificial meats made out of they're made out of basically concentrated or processed forms of various grains so what's actually destroying the world uh one of the things that's contributing to destruction of the world is is basically monocropping like where do vegetarians get all their beans from lentils uh brown rice whatever every single grain it comes from like monocropping what's monocropping yeah monocropping is like when you grow like a a single crop farming system so when you see like hundreds of thousands of acres of like just corn, or just soy, and that that obviously monocropping will never be able to give you nutritionally superior food as well. And it sets you up into that cycle of like, okay, now you have poor soil, which gives health, which gives rise to unhealthy plants,

which gives rise to more pests. Now you have to use more chemicals. And there are only once again, so many of those cycles you can do. It's not like an infinite amount of cycles before the soil becomes dirt, and you're not able to grow that much food to begin with. And then given the fact that you have only five to 8% of the world's mass that's able to be farmed for for for these crops, you don't have any wiggle room i mean it's not like uh it's not it it sounds like the best solution for food production is like what was happening in the 1800s in terms of most sustainable if people want to factory farming isn't sustainable because it once again relies on those monocropping operations but like a pasture-raised operation

that like for instance with cattle that like, for instance, with cattle, that's feeding the cattle nothing but grass, which is growing on the ground and humans can't digest and break down anyways. You don't have to grow like millions of acres of grains to do that. And on top of that, in terms of the sustainability of it, I mean, if you go back to the 1800s, basically before all of the bison herds were killed off, you had, I mean, arguably between 60 million to 100 million bison roaming America that's not that wasn't farmed out self sustaining, and that if anything, rejuvenated the ground, etc. By bringing the carbon back into the ground improving the the fungal health of the ground

etc etc so like if you just brought those herds back and just killed like i don't know like 25 to 50 percent of them every year for food production i mean even to this day the average american will still get 57 pounds every american will still get 57 pounds of high quality like pasture-raised meat per year just from that one source and then if you throw in like wild fish throw in like a bunch of regenerative farms and maybe throw in like a few confined operations here and there but make sure you're feeding the animals their species-specific diet. So in this case, the cattle will be fed actual grass, alfalfa, other forage, and you'll be set to go. And it's just way more fair for the animals,

way more fair for the workforce as well, way more fair for the planet, et cetera, et cetera. But maybe not too fair for the guys at the top that own all these factory farms you know yeah you know on on the idea of sustainability that you're talking about um because you know much more about this than i have any idea of so i'm curious because like aren't there certain pesticides that allow us to use soil that would typically be you know we would not be able to use soil that would typically be, you know, we would not be able to use to grow crops. Aren't there certain pesticides that make that soil usable to an extent to grow certain crops?

And is that a benefit? Or do you see that as being, again, like a quick fix, like you just mentioned? Like when we look at some of these things, wouldn't there be some that are beneficial? of these things wouldn't there be some that are are beneficial right and it's not like all monsanto bs right yeah so i don't know exactly which ones i'm not too big into chemical agriculture so i'm not sure exactly which chemicals could be used to make a soil like more fertile and then grow etc etc um i can't answer that uh i don't know so I don't know, but then it'll be like a little bit troubling because once again, you're getting, uh, you become dependent on that. That usually cuts into like the profits of the farmer quite a bit when they have to pay for a lot of these chemicals.

And then I'll say you'll be getting that, whatever you put into the soil, you're going to be getting that can return in your food. Okay. Like, like this wouldn't be an example of that, but you know like golden rice is i just learned about it recently it's like they it's a genetically modified rice that they've added a great amount of vitamin a to help with deficiencies correct um so i mean things on on that end uh do you feel that like in the long run those are beneficial things for us because it is genetically modified and a lot of individuals when they think of gmos etc they may not have that as part of the picture

so how do you look at things like that i think like everything has a place in time so i'm not like against uh like hydroponics or genetic genetic modification my book was more centered around like the deception that goes into selling these products. So for example, with once Elon Musk or whatever, or Bezos ever end up colonizing Mars, I think hydroponics and GMOs actually do have a place in the initial phases of that program, because there's no way you're going to grow anything on the soil over there that's for sure but you can grow it inside of a enclosed building in hydroponics with gmo crops that could thrive there and it can get you to that next step to phase out of using that stuff so everything has a place in time but like it's it's just it's become so deceptive in

the sense that like uh to answer your question here in two ways uh i know we've been talking a lot of beef but there's an equal amount of deception in the crop, in the vegetables and the fruit industry as well. Like, for example, the U.S. is the only country that allows the sale of hydroponics to be sold as organic. And in fact, like probably a good 40 percent of the organic like vegetables and fruits you find at the supermarket are like not even grown in soil. They're just grown in this kind of like matrix looking building where you have like all these plants attached to like ivy drips and they're grown that way. So not, not legal to do like literally anywhere else in the world, but in the U S totally legal. And in fact, like, at least from my observation, most of the tomatoes, lettuce, blueberries, and strawberries, I'm pretty sure there are a few more, but I'm kind of spacing out right

now, are hydroponically grown, even if it says USDA organic. Usually, if you see a company, it says like Driscoiscoll's you see that in every store including whole foods they sell organic stuff as well like from my observation it's 100 hydroponics if you call them and i call them they'll say like oh we grow we do grow in hydroponics but we also grow on the soil so that that just means they grow like in hydroponics you know if you ever if you ever call any of these companies so if they ever say like oh we grow like a portion of it what they really mean is they grow like all of it you know that actually makes me curious then would that so as far as i guess efficiency and not using

as much land would hydroponics be a good thing what doesn't that seem like it'd be a good thing in the long run since it keeps us off of having to farm more and more land or do you think that that's not necessarily a benefit yeah like everything has a place in time my only worry with uh hydroponics is the fact that um so i mean in short like the world has gone through five billion years the earth itself has gone through five billion years of like extremely complicated evolution and five mass extinction extinctions and then the universe has gone through like 12 billion years to be able to form the composition of the galaxy that hosts the solar system that hosts the sun that hosts the earth you know and throughout uh all of that

complicated evolution uh all of those billions of years of evolution that's what's given rise to the soil composition that makes the crops we see today possible uh and what hydroponics is doing is they just skip all of that they just like ah we know better than like what mother nature knows for like basically 12 billion years and we're just going to do it this way so you need like in soil like about 46 different nutrients and usually farmers add like two to three to get get like a maximum nutritional profile for the crop and there's no way they're replicating all 46 of those in like a chemical solution with an iv drip under like artificial light usually they don't even they do have some that are outdoors but most of them are just like in containers they have like artificial light on them they don't even, they do have some that are outdoors, but most of them are just

like in containers. They have like artificial light on them. They're not even photosynthesis is like the main thing. One of the main pillars of how the sun or how the plant acquires its nutrition. Also like a well-known fact about like vegetables and fruit is, and I know a lot of carnivore people compare like the nutritional profile of beet as superior to vegetables and fruit is, and I know a lot of carnivore people compare like the nutritional profile of meat as superior to vegetables and fruits, and they might actually be superior in most cases to domesticated vegetables and fruits. But you have to remember, like, for example, like a simple example, like a carrot. Most people think a carrot is orange. In fact, like a carrot

actually like thousands of years ago started as like a white root in Afghanistan. And then throughout hundreds of years of migration became a purple carrot in India. Then hundreds of years later became a red carrot in China. Then hundreds of years later became a yellow carrot in Turkey. Then hundreds of years later became an orange carrot. I think it was in Denmark or the Netherlands. I forget exactly. And throughout this whole entire process of domestication, basically, the farmer trades like a lot of sugar content in a thinner skin for anti-cyanins. So for example, like like a purple carrot you can still find purple carrots obviously i'm using this one as a simple example but a purple carrot has like 900 percent more anti-cyanins

than an orange carrot and basically has anti-cyanins are basically very potent like anti-inflammatories and antioxidants so they'll help you like fight with like cancer and all that other stuff uh and an orange carrot has like no anti-cyanides so and this happened with like pretty much every single uh vegetable and fruit you see at the supermarket for the most part and a lot of people think that's just how uh like for example with spinach it's seen as like a superfood obviously like even that popeye that cartoon character had the spinach. That's what made his arms like, or forearms at least super huge. Didn't have too big of an effect on his biceps and triceps.

That's okay. Maybe he just needed a different program. He was on the wrong program. He had bad periodization on his programs. Training forearms three days a week and not much else. From the look of his appearance. Maybe that was the first go at SARMs. Justms right to the forearms you know select yeah yeah that's misappropriation of training schedules that's okay how do we yeah but a lot of people go ahead i was gonna say how

do we uh you know how do we like navigate like the grocery store i know it's something that you teach people you have like a grocery shopping list like how can we make better choices it seems like we're kind of fucked is there do we have some good options still yeah so uh i mean going back to that the grocery store the vegetables and fruits are kind of tough because uh on top of so yeah really quick with the spinach just to make a good point because this stuff's for free and anyone can have it like dandelion leaves have hundreds of percentage points more of every nutrient that spinach has and dandelions are like for free like pretty much growing anywhere i eat most of those and luckily just nature farms it for you that's the best part

with wild crops you don't even need to attend to it and it's 100 sustainable because nature always knows how to sustain itself how do you eat them that's the shit that like blows around all over the place yeah dandelion leaves yes i just eat them you're gonna just find dandelions and just yeah i mean you don't want to eat like the the yellow part yeah the leaves uh the leaves you want to eat you can eat those they're completely fine yeah and they're free and they're like way more nutritionally dense than spinach will ever be and the problem with supermarket stuff is if they're selling it at the supermarket it's already coming from a monocrop farm if they're selling it at that level so you run into all those problems we talked about in terms of the nutritional deficiencies there. Usually also they pick the crop before it ripens so it could look fresh in the store. And the ripening process is how it attains all its nutrition. So you're getting a crop that has been filtered down over

thousands of years of farming in terms of selective breeding. So you lose a lot of nutrition there. On top of that, they're growing it in a monocrop environment. On top of that, they're also picking it before it ripens. And then on top of that, it also sits at the supermarket for like a week or two before you pick it up. And then it sits at your home for like a few days before you eat it. So just like with animals, you know, as you pick the crop out of the roots, it starts losing its nutritional profile due to decay day after day after day, etc. And the funny thing is that I learned from Dan Kittredge, he's a really good figure in the sustainable agricultural industry as well, is like,

you'll typically find actually higher nutritionally profile vegetables and fruit at walmart as compared to whole food yeah ironically because if you go to if you go to walmart if you go to walmart and you go to whole foods you'll see they they're the same exact companies so like when i was in california it was cal's organics cal's organics was what they sold at Whole Foods and Cal's Organics was exactly what they sold at Walmart. And they come from the same exact farms. It's not like the same company, but different farms. They come from the same exact fields. But the issue with Whole Foods was that they have a much slower logistics process than Walmart,

which has a much faster turnaround. So there's a higher chance of you getting much fresher produce at Walmart versus Whole Foods, for example. So there's that aspect. So you can see it's kind of like how silly it's become in terms of like, dude, I just want high quality food. And it should be like an easier request, you know, but it's become like extremely, And it should be like an easier request, you know, but it's become like extremely, extremely difficult when even a person's intention is to source high quality food. And so that's just two examples with the beef and the crops. Yeah. So how do we navigate the grocery store?

The answer is don't go to the grocery store. The answer is to raise your own cattle, have your own crops, probably, right? To have your own vegetable garden and so on. No, the average person doesn't have to do that. There are a lot of great... They can check out a website called AmericanGrassFed.org. It's probably the most credible third-party certifier of pasture-raised animals, but specifically grass-fed beef, they can scroll down to the bottom of the website, and it has an interactive map. You click on that map, and it shows you every state. And you'll see there are hundreds of pasture raised operations that have actually had on site inspections, which doesn't happen ever like anyone can claim grass-fed beef and no one's going to

hold them legally liable for that but if they're american grass-fed association certified they go through an on-site inspection yearly inspections and also random audits as well so you could they could also i mean they could go work on a, on a branch like I did. I worked at five bar beef in Southern California. So Frank Fitzpatrick, she's been a regenerative rancher for like 30 years or 40 years, maybe. And his cattle are basically just wild cattle. Like what he did was he started this herd, uh, 30 years ago. And whatever he just let the cattle do what they do. And what whichever cattle died out, he just let them die out. He didn't treat them. And the ones that survived, were able to thrive and have kids that also survived in that

environment. So he doesn't use any medicine, any vaccines, no beta agonists, no steroids, no antibiotics. They eat just grass all the time. He doesn't even clip his bulls, which is very rare. So the testosterone content in the meat is higher. He doesn't dehorn the bulls either. So I volunteered there for like over a year and he actually taught me like a lot of the information i'm sharing with you today uh to help speed up and carrie uh balcom she's one of the founders of american grass fed association she taught me like more over the legal side

of all these claims and and stuff of that sort and um so they can check out that website and they can order from there and uh you get it in two days. So you can pick the ranch also doesn't have to be near you, they ship to you. And there is obviously a shipping fee. Usually it's like 10 bucks. But look at it this way. Like, first of all, I don't even have a car. And I just get all my food delivered to my house. And usually how I do it is I order for like a few weeks at a time. So you can economize that $10 shipping. And you can get way higher quality meat than you'll ever find at the supermarket. The only things I would personally buy at the supermarket, I'd still get vegetables here and there if you really need them. But the only thing I'd really buy there is just wild fish. Because wild fish is going to be wild fish. And there are just certain species that aren't farmed. So, you know, if you buy just that fish,

it's not going to be like contaminated with farmed fish of any sort, et cetera, et cetera. But everything else I would highly recommend to get from these farms. And before people start going like, oh, it's too expensive, let's break down the cost because it's not too that much more expensive. So I actually ran the numbers and we can look at it as a global thing and in the trenches. So at the supermarket level, 2000 calorie factory farmed diet cost $7.77 a day. But a 2000 calorie USDA organic diet costs $12 and 20 cents a day. So some people would be like, there's the difference right there. That's why I can't

buy this food. But wait a minute. Like how much is the average American spending on non essential expenses every year? The average American is spending anywhere between $8,000 to $15,000 a year on non-essential expenses. This includes alcohol, going out with co-workers for food, subscription services, a smartphone that they definitely don't need, but they're paying a premium for, designer jeans, etc., etc. etc etc uh an organic diet will cost you for a 2 000 calorie diet will cost you like three to four thousand a year and you're saying you don't have three to four thousand a year to invest in your own happiness and aesthetic body and health as well but you do have eight to fifteen thousand a year to invest in all this b. That's literally adding zero value to your lifelong. Come on, man. You're killing everybody. In fact, it's decreasing. They're killing themselves. I'm not killing them. They're doing, they're doing the work for me, you know? Yeah. So there's, there's that aspect. And then the, um, also look look the average american is spending five to seven thousand a

year on medical expenses for obesity directly related to the nutrition that already is your organic diet right there and the thing is that medicine isn't helping anyone at the end of the day it's just like prolonging their it's just allowing them to continue to do what led them into that problem to begin with for the most part there are some situations where obviously the medicine helps for a person wake up and take the next step and get out of that uh relying on that but nine out of ten times people just start taking that stuff and they get stuck on it for the rest of their life you know when you were yeah and then oh go ahead go ahead when you're talking about oh yeah oh when you're talking about fish you mentioned um uh certain

fish that aren't farmed right you know within the fitness community people are big on tilapia salmon is there other fish that that's being fitness mainly those two maybe some tuna tuna yeah tuna or tuners tilapia salmon tuna that's what people in fitness like rave about right but but for you what do you look at when you're thinking about buying fish out yeah so i like uh i'm not too big of a fish eater but when i do eat fish i mainly like sockeye salmon cod halibut um fish eggs i really like fish eggs as well uh oysters stuff of that sort tilapia like 100 farmed it's actually like one of the dirtiest uh fish out there so once again not fed a species specific diet they feed them like a lot of corn and soy uh preservative they use for these pellets is called it um intoxicant uh very very month created by monsanto and i forgot exactly but it was supposed to it wasn't supposed to be

used in food uh it's not allowed to be used in food that's fed directly to humans but there isn't any oversight in terms of using it as a preservative and pellets that are fed to the fish that make it into the nutritional profile of the fish that then make it into humans there's a good documentary called norwegian uh salmon the most toxic fish in the world or something of that sort it's for free on youtube and it covers uh and toxicine very well in terms of the history behind it when it's being used and the fish farming industry overall. With fish farming, they also spray pesticides directly on the fish. That as well, they have to give them a lot of antibiotics.

So you're going to get that residue in there. And then the omega-3 to 6, I mean, you probably get like 20 or 30 omega-6 for one uh omega-3 in terms of a ratio you say if you were to eat like a farm uh a farm fish versus like you're better off eating steak almost in terms of like trying to get omega-3s from it i guess yeah so i honestly i don't know i'm more familiar with the ratios i don't know the exact like quantities right i know that documentary does list quite a bit of studies on it. I'm sure they list the quantity of omega-3 and the quantity of omega-6 there. I just forgot the exact quantities off the top of my head. It's not ideal for many reasons because also, I mean, when you look at the amount of destruction

that a lot of... So, fish farms or aquaponics could be on land, they could be on the shore, they could be like deep out at sea, usually they're kind of like on the shore somewhere like near some kind of metropolitan area or something of that sort. And they like do like heavy contamination on any of those ravines. In fact, like, on the documentary, they showed like, in Norwayway like they have just a bunch of different streams of water and wherever these fish farms were like basically like all the fish died in like all those acres and acres of of ravine you know outside of just that operation because typically

they have like a million of these fish in like a crate basically like a net and then below that crate you have um like a mountain of feces that forms uh and it's kind of probably 20 meters deep just to give you an idea it's not like small or anything and then all that fecal material gets into the water obviously you know contaminates the water and then contaminates all the fish in that area um and then it's it's not a sustainable practice because once again they rely on these monocropping grain operations a lot of people are like um or vegetarians for example are like oh you know you see like all these amazon fires or whatever they're making room because these animals need that food but animals don't need that food in

fact they don't thrive on that food they get very sick and remember like you can look at it two ways but a native american perspective is if you eat the flesh of a miserable animal you too become miserable but then on top of that uh in terms of the um shoot, I'm kind of spacing out here, the amyloid buildup, you know, you could objectively prove that that stress affects your health as well. Uh, so I, it's, it's just not a, not a good practice. People think they're saving money up front, but they're not. And sometimes like I used to give groceries to our tours, like people are like, Oh, you know, I've been eating this factory farm food my whole life. And I feel completely fine. Like meanwhile, the guy's like 30% body fat on like two different medications and only like 35.

So people's understanding of what healthy even is, is completely delusional these days, because actually that obese person that's on two prescription medications might ironically actually be the healthiest person in his office, you know, as sad as it is. So, and in his perspective, he's like, yeah, I am healthy. But once again, I think there needs to be a huge overhaul in terms of especially the core priorities of the American mindset, uh if you just step out literally anywhere in america like i mentioned like nine out of ten people are full of obesity and disease and full of mental and physical pain so something's not working

in that set of core values to lead to happiness in that person's life going kind of going back to you know i don't know if like this was well known when you mentioned one of two people will end up having cancer i don't know if that's an age group or if that's just nowadays in america but how much of a link do you think that is to all of this i mean when when we talk about health on this podcast we talk about also lifestyle you know a lot of people are living in boxes they're going from box to box. They're not getting sun. They're not exercising. Outside of even just like eating these, they're eating a standard American diet, right?

But now let's say that people are making healthier choices. They're trying to drop body fat, etc., right? In terms of what we're talking about here, do you think that there are a lot of direct links to what's going on with the you know buying those types of meats those types of crops and this increase in cancer rates there is a direct link but in terms of like how much it affects each individual person it's going to vary but yeah i mean there's like a huge disconnect i mean there's a good book called why zebras don't get ulcers by drowski, a very well-known stress physiology researcher from Stanford. He has like a bunch of really good content. I read all his books.

Great guy. Actually responds to emails too, believe it or not. Just like Mark, you know, popular as well, but still responds to emails, which is very kind of him to do that with his busy schedule. But I mean, look at the um how has the person evolved to function you know uh how's the central nervous system evolved to function i mean the optimal situation would be like huge uh like small stressful periods in your life followed by valleys of like literally nothing going on so like you're're in, let's say, Europe, a long time ago, as a hunter gatherer, you go hunt a mammoth, it would obviously be very stressful for that hour,

you might like lose a guy in your tribe. And then there's literally nothing that happens for a few months. So you might go out like fishing, you might like hang out, definitely you're hanging out in the forest outside, you know, on the ground connected to nature, just kind of hanging out with your tribe. And then you got to go hunt the animal again, and it's probably pretty stressful, etc. And then once again, valleys of nothing happening, that's actually the ideal way the central nervous system has evolved to function. But unfortunately, today, like you don't have those huge stressful periods, or those huge stressful peaks, obviously, of like hunting a mammoth or something, but you do have like low grade chronic stress, which is ironically, like even more detrimental to your health than those high periods of like, a lot of stress followed by literally nothing going on.

So like, look at the average person average person i mean they get up probably late uh they have like a shitty diet breakfast if anything they probably have coffee uh although the thing is with coffee it's like ironically like have you noticed that people that drink and rely on coffee are always tired which is ironic because coffee is supposed to give you energy you know but it's like they're always always tired anyways i ironic because coffee is supposed to give you energy you know but it's like they're always always tired anyways i always found that kind of anyways but they have coffee that's going to spike your cortisol the stress on your immune system and you get into traffic you got this car going here it's actually like very hard on the central nervous system to drive a car

because it requires a lot of attention to stay in the lanes, pay attention to all these moving cars and moving pieces. You got this traffic light, you're running late to work. You get to work. Most people freaking hate their jobs. They hate the people they're working with. It's stressful to work with their boss. You got high amounts of cortisol production there. You go out to lunch, you have like a shitty lunch at mcdonald's or something have more coffee

spiced or cortisol levels there come back to work four more hours return back home most likely maybe probably not even enjoying the partner that they're with anymore then that's like stressful it's like dude there's like stress 24 7 it's not like as stressful as like someone robbing you obviously yeah and you would think like uh you know i hear a lot of people say like oh you know yeah it's stressful but at least i'm not getting robbed but with a lot of people at least i'm not like in a war zone which is stressful as well but what a lot of people don't understand is that kind of stress is what kills you that low grade but constant never-ending stress you know and then

you're on your phone and you're any free time you know i mean it's just not a pretty picture and results speak for themselves like i mentioned just walk outside anywhere in america and look at how the average person looks and feels uh there you go so yeah it's multi very whenever anyone in the health industry tells you like oh just change this one variable and your health will improve uh you probably just have to run away at that point because it's usually going to take like a holistic approach to really see uh like lasting change in your health so what do you think is problematic about coffee and how can people that love coffee, how can they still maybe continue to drink it? I think the one thing I've noticed with my practice that's problematic with

coffee is when your body is tired, that's your body's way of telling you you need to rest, not have coffee and like grind it out. So ironically, the people that will benefit the most from coffee are people that have like good energy levels already. So I would say like, let's,

let's see, like, let's, let's look at your sleeping schedule first. Let's start with something that simple. You'll see, it's like all over the place. It's like sporadic.

Let's first like stabilize it. I mean, your body repairs itself physically from 10 PM to 2 AM and then mentally from 2 AM to 6 AM. So let's make sure we're actually getting quality sleep during those hours. And then you got to like clean up their diet. And then sometimes, sometimes just the person's going to need to quit their job, you know, like if it's taxing to work with like a boss you don't like, or it's taxing to deal with a spouse you feel you no longer connect with, that's going to have a huge drain on your energy so there's so many so many variables to consider and then people buy cheap coffee coffee is one of those

substances that's made with one of those crops that's grown with a tremendous amount of different biocides so you make that into the and then it's kind of it's heated up too which increases the potency of a lot of these chemicals and actually turns some of them into new chemicals as well. And then you're drinking that like every single day. And, um, that's like five bucks. It's usually those same people that say they don't have that $5 difference for the organic food either, you know, but they have it to get their $5 coffee every morning. You drink coffee, right? Or no, no, I don't drink coffee. I only drink coffee right or no no i don't drink coffee i only drink uh water and green tea okay so usually water so i'm curious for people that do like coffee then so what would

be i guess you know i don't know what should they look for in the coffee that they do buy since we're kind of in this rabbit hole is there like a better type of coffee to buy or something you should look for on the packaging or what should you pay attention to? Yeah, outside of just knowing exactly the production and processing of that specific company you're buying from, the easy thing, the only thing realistically you can do is just look for that USDA organic certification label. But then that's a little bit questionable too, because the USDA doesn't actually do their own certification they hire private companies and oftentimes in these um countries where the coffee beans are coming from probably like very corrupt they have like other things to worry about

like cartels you know enforcing whether you're you're spraying spraying something on your on your coffee beans you know whether you're actually doing that so that's that's your best bet just look for that usda organic certification and then kind of just hope for the best i guess they're also like it's it's all about like level of toxicity you know like if you're eating really well and um living close to your core values not overworking yourself like even if you have not great source coffee, probably nothing's going to happen to you. But if you're always stressed out, you're already obese, you have a lot of other medical issues, it could be that one thing that causes you to go over the top, that surpassed that biological tipping point

and actually develop something serious. This is something I learned a couple of years ago by listening to Paul Cech and he wasn't necessarily a big fan of coffee, but what he suggested for people to do was to just have less coffee, you know, just so when you go and purchase coffee rather than buying like the biggest cup

that you can possibly find, just get a smaller one. And maybe it does turn out that you feel you quote unquote need another one, but just get another smaller one. And maybe it does turn out that you feel you quote unquote need another one, but just get another smaller one. And hopefully those two smaller ones are still less than the giant one you would have bought in the first place. The other suggestion that he had was to get an Americano and that's what I've switched

to. And I usually get a single shot Americano a lot of times. Sometimes I get like a nitro cold brew, which is just full, full of caffeine. I should probably not do that. But an Americano, I think, only has like 25 to like 50 milligrams of caffeine or something like that. So a single shot tall Americano from even just like a Starbucks or something is, again, because of the amount that you're consuming. I can't imagine it really doing anything all too crazy to you. Yeah. I don't know honestly i'm not a big coffee drinker but i know paul check's like coffee fanatic even has

like a 40 minute video on coffee you know how he makes it how he sources it on youtube is for free so anyone can check that out um i just found with with clients it's usually when you clean up their sleeping, when you kind of give them, like I find like even teaching them how to automate their errands, you know, like get their groceries delivered, saves them two hours. All of a sudden they feel less rushed. They just need way less coffee altogether. So that's another way to approach it as well. What about when it comes to like some other foods like Kerrygold butter, grass fed butter? Like I'm not trying to throw any one company under the bus, but like is the same kind of stuff where, you know, they don't have to have any proof that they're necessarily always grass fed or when it comes to dairy, grass fed, raw. What are some of the regulations surrounding that?

It all comes back to basically how the cattle is raised so it all come back to exactly what we talked about with the meat cattle it's kind of basically the same exact thing with dairy but with dairy typically like the the cow uh lives for way longer so they typically keep them around for like two or three years you're going to have to be even more careful because obviously they accumulate because they're in constant states of pregnancy. They have to give them a lot more medicines and whatever other like vaccines or antibiotics they're producing there. So all the same things apply. Basically that we covered in the catalog.

Yeah. You mentioned AmericanGrassFed.org is a place that you get maybe some vegetables, fruits and meat. But I'm also curious, what other practices do you have? Cause you know, as you mentioned like all of these stressors and even the way that you deal with your clients, like that little tidbit of getting groceries delivered, saves two hours. That makes a difference. Whatever, what other practices do you have that you do on a daily basis that you found is

beneficial for yourself and beneficial that you're for your clients that maybe a lot of other people aren't really thinking about yeah one thing that's troubling is uh meal prepping for people that are health conscious it usually takes like a long time for a lot of people so i develop like a pretty good system that takes literally zero time and requires zero cooking skills because i don't know how to cook even to this day, but I still somehow survive, you know? So like what I do is I have, um, I have an at-home gym set up, but just free weights. So that saves already, uh, driving to the gym about 20 minutes and then driving back from the gym about 20 minutes. So that's about 40 minutes times five.

So let's say five hours, let's just round it up a little bit because walking from the parking lot into the gym, getting ready, et cetera, et cetera. So that's like five hours saved right there, not having to drive to the gym. And then basically I work out in the morning. My routine is like, I get up, I do emails for 30 minutes. Then I go for a walk outside. I'm huge into walking as well, three walks a day. And then I do like a 20 minute walk. I come back and work out. I work out for about an hour, an hour and a half. And then after the workout, I have my food ready. So I take the food and cook it all in a toaster oven or the oven at home.

And I put it in there. And then while it's cooking and the rice cooker, I put the rice and then also my vegetables in there. And then while that's cooking, I'm taking a shower. By the time I'm done with my shower, the food's ready for the whole entire day. So I actually spend like no time cooking. It literally takes just like five minutes to put it in the oven. And that's it.

So five minutes, that saves a lot of time just right there. And it automates your health goals, which I think is very important, especially for the average person, which is working 40 to 50 hours a week. These things need to be automated because if they're not, some type of busy project will happen at work and you'll get confused and not have enough time to make your meals and then get discouraged and then not work out for a week and then a week turns into two weeks and then all of a sudden a person hasn't been working out for 10 years you know i mean you see that pattern all the time all the time that's very common what about um you know in regards to just like putting on

muscle getting like somebody that's maybe over the hump. Um, you know, a lot of bodybuilders will just kind of grab whatever, um, chicken breasts that they can find at the store. Um, because we're just thinking like, I gotta get my protein up and I gotta keep my calories at a certain level. What benefit would it be for them to switch over to like stuff from, uh, American grass fed.org or that sort of thing? Like, is again, like in regards to like stuff from uh americangrassfed.org or that sort of thing like is again like in regards to like developing muscle like what would be the benefit there you know i'm wondering if there have any even been any studies on like if a person is just strictly fed legitimate grass-fed beef and like factory farm beef on this training routine all

other variables being equal if there's any difference i don't know if you guys know anything there i noticed like i actually um like for example i can't eat uh chicken since you mentioned that that's fed corn and soy which is basically all supermarket chicken, even if it's USDA organic free range chicken sold at the grocery store. And it's very hard, it's almost impossible to find a pasture raised regenerative operation that isn't feeding their chickens corn and soy. So I basically just stopped eating chicken altogether because it made my, it always makes my stomach feel like really weird. So I'm sure if your digestion isn't on point, that will have an impact on just like your mood, probably you're not going to be feeling like, so amped up if your stomach's feeling weird all the time. So that's

going to definitely hurt your intensity in the gym. Also, the fact that if you have digestive distress, you're not assimilating the maximum potential of any food group you're eating. So there's that aspect, I'm pretty sure that's going to have an impact. In terms of the degree, honestly, I'm not going to say it's like, you can't put on muscle eating factory farm stuff. You can. I just don't know how much of a difference I think just indirectly, since you're eating a lot more calories, you could bioaccumulate a lot more chemicals or whatever else those animals are exposed to and that could be a little bit troubling for your health from one vantage point or another later on in life is there any accuracy

to food labels like are there things that we should be looking for so we can just run to the grocery store occasionally and actually buy something? Yeah, I think the USDA organic label is very strong when it comes to keeping pesticides and GMO products out of your food supply. So even if it's not, even if the animal isn't fed a species-specific diet, but it's USDA organic certified,

I think it's like a good step in the right direction, like a huge step in the right direction. There's a little bit of a caveat to that in the sense that the US gets like half of its grains from half of its grains that they feed to their animals from super corrupt places like Ukraine and Turkey. So the corruption doesn't happen at the farmer level. It happens at the broker level. So the farmer would raise the crops conventionally with a bunch of chemicals. And then at the shipping dock, the corrupt turkey guy, the broker will just change the paperwork around and then import it as organic grain to the. and all of a sudden make 30% more profit. Joel Salatin covers this very well. It's like a well-known problem that hasn't been solved even to this day. Washington Post did a really good piece on it as well.

So then if you see the USDA organic label, like now at this point, you have to be like, oh, you know, like, is it really are they really fed organic grains? And it all just comes back to like, your preference? Are you trying to eat like at a B category? Or are you trying to take it to an A once again, like I mentioned at the beginning of the interview, these tips are more for people that are interested in optimizing their nutrition, like going from a B to like an A, and how hard that's become to make that leap. These days, back like in terms their nutrition, like going from a B to like an A and how hard that's become to make that leap these days. In fact, like in terms of chicken, I would say it's like literally impossible to find good quality chicken in the US. Like even if you go to a small farmer level, I found this out the hard way. You could ask them, like, what do you feed your chicken? And they'll say, like, what do you, what do you feed your chicken, chicken? And they'll say, oh,

their first response would always be like, oh, it's non GMO grains. Okay. But then the average consumer would presume like, oh, that's like organic grains, but it's not, it's just non GMO. They still grow it conventionally. So you would ask, oh, but is it organic? Like nine or 10 times ago? No, it's not organic. Uh, and then then one time sometimes they will say it is organic you know so it depends on on your preference and then it depends on the stocking density of the operation usually what you want to see is like about 200 square feet of space per hen that's like a good number to aim for because if they're having too many hens on any piece of land typically what happens is no one chicken gets that omnivore diet of worms and insects and they usually have to just supplement again heavily with grains

and because um because chickens are omnivores they're not vegetarians when you feed them heavy amounts of grain it shoots the omega-6 way up in relation to omega-3 and once again the person's thinking like oh this is a pasture-raised operation i'm getting that omega ideal omega-3 to omega-3. And once again, the person is thinking like, oh, this is a pasture-raised operation. I'm getting that ideal omega-3 to omega-6 ratio where you're probably not. Yeah. There's something I wanted to ask you. I wasn't sure of what its effect. You were mentioning that fish were fed certain pellets and around these pellets was a specific, I don't know, pesticide that is not for human consumption right but they're allowed to feed them so what i was wondering was what is the effect that that actually does have on humans that's actually not for human consumption but we're

getting it indirectly through what these fish eat what what does it do to people yeah that's a good question i think on the documentary like nobody knows at the end of the day i think that was the conclusion it's like there has been no safety testing on it and this chemical is created by monsanto by the way yeah which is notorious for creating a laundry list of chemicals that have at one point been in the agricultural sector and then taken out because of the harmful effects that it had on on the human body so ddt being very popular now it's like glyphosate roundup is another very popular one that's all over that's been all over the news a lot more lately um i don't know in my opinion

it's like in a long enough time frame uh they'll conclude like all these chemicals are bad for you one way or another and the fact that the average newborn has like trace amounts of 200 of them in their body already is like extremely troubling to to know that you mentioned like automating the health goals and you mentioned you know having a access to a gym in your place and uh you mentioned a couple other things for people to do. How do you help people from a mental perspective with their nutrition? You know, somebody that is overweight, they've been overweight for a long time, and you're trying to get them to head in the right direction.

I do know that you mentioned like you actually physically go to grocery stores with people sometimes, which I think that's actually amazing. That's a great place to start because that's where a lot of the decision making will happen from somebody and maybe they don't have great knowledge of what to do. What are some other things that you usually do with someone to kind of get them headed in the right direction? Yeah. So, well, really quick to adjust the pesticide question. I think this one's important to address because there's a lot of misconceptions here. So in the US, the only thing that's required to be able to sell a pesticide into the agricultural production industry is basically they never test the complete formulation for safety. formulation for safety. That's like very important to understand. And there's a guy named Andre Liu that has spoken out about this for a very long time. He's written a good book called the myth of safe pesticides or the myths of safe pesticides. And basically what happens in terms of the safety

testing is they just need to test their two different branches of chemicals in a complete formulation, the active and inactive ingredients. So the active one is like the main one, and the inactive ones are there to support and make the active one more potent and last longer in the environment. So they just need to test the active ingredient in isolation on its own. And if that proves to be safe, then they can release the entire complete formulation. They never actually tested the entire complete product for safety. So there's that aspect. And then obviously, when you put those secondary ingredients in there, the main ingredient becomes more potent, because that's what they're supposed to do. You know, and so when you take them out, of course, they probably have a higher chance of passing safety standards. And then another problem is you're not just using one of these chemicals in a farming system like in a pig operation you could be using uh seven to ten

different antibiotics all at once during a single production cycle you know so and a lot of these studies are just like one active ingredient in isolation on its own and let's see if it's safe at that point so there's that aspect and then there's the aspect of like oh i can clean the the pesticides off of like my vegetables for example but pesticides are like systemic they're meant to be soaked up by the root of the plant and they become embedded into the flesh of the actual plant so when you wash it off it's only like washing off like a very small percentage of the residue. And sometimes people say like, I can't even see these chemicals on there. I mean, they're so small, it's

insignificant. But like, for instance, like glyphosate, which is a popular one that's having a lot of lawsuits these days. And atrazine, there are certain chemicals that become actually more dangerous in the lower doses. So it might not be dangerous in one part per million, but it might actually start to be dangerous in one part per trillion. Because your body has a hard time basically at that point filtering it out. You know, it kind of confuses it for its own hormonal system and then it embeds into the receptor sites of the hormones and stuff of that sort. So all that stuff's important to consider. And a lot of times, that's what keeps people buying this chemical-laden food because they think the government has done the thorough research

to put these chemicals on the market. They wouldn't be on the market if they weren't safe. It's not the case because no one has even done the safety testing for his stuff you know which is um which is troubling so yeah and i mean to answer your question um i think a great product for that uh we spoke about it last time we spoke together uh is uh one two three four overcoming obesity addiction and disease uh it's a a product that paul check created and it's actually like a very good flow of uh getting to the etiology or at least having a good blueprint of the etiology of why people

uh like sometimes you would get clients that are like they don't want to be overweight they know they're making themselves overweight but they continue to do it. Like you give them the answer, like here, you just do this, eat this, just work out like this, and you will lose 20 to 25 pounds a month. Easy as that, you know? And then in four months or five months, you'll be great. But they don't, you know, or they do sometimes, they don't other times. So it usually comes down to like having to see um fat gain as a symptom and it's like a symptom of like poor lifestyle and nutritional choices

but what's like what's the why are people purposely causing this self-abuse you know like why are they abusing themselves and it usually comes down to like a mindset that doesn't facilitate health conscious choices obviously so sick people can't make healthy choices so what leads to a mindset that doesn't facilitate those healthy choices it usually breaks down into three categories and then like a fourth one that i would add on there but one of the categories is like, most always a person with like weight challenges, if they have like, if they lose weight, and then just friends, it was regaining it, or can't lose weight, no matter what, I guarantee you, it's, it's not their thyroid, it's something else going on. Okay. But basically, like one of the main variables is

they have, they have a lot love hate relationship. And a typical one, this could be a wide variety of things, but a typical one is like, I've been married for 10 years, and I just no longer love this person, but I actually genuinely did love them in the beginning. But for one reason or another, it drifted apart. And basically, they don't feel safe leaving the relationship for stigma like social pressure like failed relationship uh for religious reasons for financial reasons sometimes they don't feel safe so what do they do and they don't feel safe and on top of that they don't feel like they can be

their genuine self presuming that they know who their genuine self is. And that's a big presumption as well. They don't feel safe being themselves, and they don't feel in control. But with food, food accepts you all the time for who you are. I mean, it always shows you love and caring. And you also have that control variable. You can pick the food up, eat it when you want to eat it, and you can put it away when you want to put it away. And this person doesn't have that in that relationship. So they substitute for that feeling with food that leads them, you know, there's that mindset that doesn't facilitate the health conscious choices that leads to poor lifestyle and nutritional choices. And that leads to waking. And then another one that you typically will see in tandem with that one is uh what's referred to as a story gap so this person let's just say in simple is uh they want to be like an artist for example

or even even something that's becoming like more mainstream like a personal trainer i want to get in the fitness industry you know uh but they think it think it's not going to be financially fruitful. So they don't feel safe expressing who they are because they think like, oh, if I express who I really am, which is like a fitness professional, I'm not going to have a consistent paycheck because they think I'm not going to have the business skills or maybe I'm just not going to be that good or whatever. So I will pursue, I'll be a lawyer. It's more established. I'll get a job at a law firm.

And this might be okay for like two years, three years, but then eventually, like you can't lie to yourself, you know? So eventually what ends up happening is like, oh, the person's like, oh, I wish I had more time to work out, to be in a gym, et cetera, et cetera. But I have to do this legal paperwork. And then they grow disgruntled toward the work, which causes that spike in cortisol,

you know, that uneasiness in the central nervous system, that low grade chronic stress. Then their partner at the law firm doesn't do their job one day, then they have to do it, then they grow disgruntled towards their co workers, et cetera, et cetera. So they don't feel like once again, they don't feel like they don't have, they don't have control. Because they think like they have to keep working that job to make ends meet, because they're not going to make it as like a personal trainer, for example. And they don't have control. And they feel like they can't express who they really are. So this guy's a lawyer. So wearing multiple masks where he really wants to be kind of like a trainer, for example. So what do they do? They seek out food, food, once again, accepts you for who you

are. You know, it's, it doesn't ask any questions. It always is always there. You could always have it. The control is there. You can pick it up eat it put it away and then usually what ends up happening unfortunately you have two of these at play so the person goes to work wearing multiple masks which causes insidious stress on the central nervous system because you know you're being you know you're being fake at the end of the day and then you go home and you're not with a partner you want to be with anymore. So it's still causing tremendous amount of stress, even being at home. And then once again, it leads to those unhealthy thought patterns, which leads to poor lifestyle, nutritional choice, which leads to weight gain.

And then sometimes you have the person, they have like a, what's it referred to? I forget exactly what it is but basically they they never did the deep searching of who they really are so they always kind of feel empty inside so they feel like no matter how high up on the corporate ladder they go they feel like more and more empty with the more accomplishments they achieve because it's leaned against the wrong building anyways they're climbing the completely wrong building. And then the fourth one is, unfortunately, it's like, like, no one's going to look like you guys in the real world, you know. And so the standards for what healthy is has dropped tremendously. It's dropped so much

that I even find it like really tough to find healthy health professionals these days, as well. You have many people in the health field that are very unhealthy many doctors that are obese but do unhealthy behaviors although they have the education to know better etc etc and it usually comes down to according to paul check like a disconnect between core values that lead to all those problems and then if you go like a little bit deeper then you get into kind of like uh quantum psychology by stephan walensky which is great work so he does like um i mean in short it's like you know you have thoughts but in between the thoughts you have this kind of emptiness the spaciousness like there's nothing that happens it seems like thoughts almost come out of nowhere and then there's like space and then there's nothing that happens. It seems like thoughts almost come out of nowhere and then there's like space. And then there's another thought it's like bubbles, you know?

And, um, usually what happens is like how it determines how you perceive that empty. So usually sometimes let's say you're hanging around at home and you're not doing much work and you see all your friends doing work or stuff of that sort, or they are accomplishing this, you go on Instagram and you're like like see everyone would like cars and being very successful so you you see this emptiness you see this spaciousness and you interpret it as emptiness you're like oh you know it's i'm missing something uh i'm missing something and i'm missing something because i'm not being productive in that example not being productive. In that example, not being productive, not optimizing my life, you know, or maximizing my pursuits or whatever. And this is kind of like what's referred to as like a false core, which is kind of like a false hypothesis, because really,

that was just spaciousness, you interpreted that spaciousness as emptiness. Like a object in the world has no meaning until you look at it, like a rock is there only because of your past programming to make you perceive and have a background to what that object is. But without that conscious perception of it, there'll be like, you can go into Donald Hoffman's work in terms of perception theory at that, but basically, there's no meaning of external objects so it's like you perceive that spaciousness as emptiness which is a false hypothesis and then to overcome that false hypothesis you're like okay so i'm inadequate so i'll try to overcompensate by

being extra adequate by being very financially successful, like very educated, very outgoing, et cetera, et cetera. But it's kind of like you can't come up with the right answer from a false hypothesis, you know? So then the more, first of all, the more you try at that point, the more you're reconfirming your false hypothesis. Because in order for you to strive for more in that situation you first have to at some level confirm that you are inadequate so the more you try to achieve the more you prove that you are inadequate to begin with which is a false hypothesis from the get-go so in that in that situation i mean it doesn't matter what nutrition advice you give to a person

uh they'll always kind of return most of person. They'll always kind of return. Most of the time, they'll always kind of return back to being overweight because they never solved it at that core root level. And you see that often. I mean, you see people on many weight challenges, they lose weight. And then you see them two years later. They're just, if not even more overweight ever again. So there's that. Yeah, Donald Hoffman has very interesting work, too.

I like that. He was a professor I actually worked with a little bit at UCI. Didn't work with him, sorry. I took his classes at UCI. He has very good stuff on interface theory in the sense that uh the human mind is just basically you can't perceive reality for what it is because reality is too complicated so it dumbs everything down so like for example like um the icon you see on a desktop the word icon it's like that w that blue w uh but the thing is that program looks nothing like that icon. That program, if you kind of go

to the HTML file, just as a bunch of letters and numbers, it's a lot of code. But the average person can't perceive that code. So the programmer, and basically the interface theory person or whoever develops the program, dumbs it down so you can interact with it and that's basically how the human mind interacts with the world in general like you can see like a pencil but that pencil is made up of like billions of atoms why is it only that you perceive that pencil as yellow it could be like like a a snake can't even consciously perceive that there's a pencil there because there's no heat coming out of it you know so even every animal perceives reality differently so like even what you're seeing out in front of you is just like a very in fact evolution uh favors people that can dump things down that can get from a to b faster by simply not seeing the truth for what it is yeah uh so you said that book by paul check was called one two

three four overcoming obesity and addiction that's what that book is called yep over uh overcoming obesity addiction and disease we can be seen in addiction and disease okay um what you said at the beginning of that as far as trying to figure out the main issues that lead people to have bad relationships with food i think that's a very very huge and overlooked thing because it's like, yeah, if you have these bad relationships and you also like you're in a job you don't like, et cetera, et cetera, not everyone can just quit their job, but it should for, for listeners that are listening here, if you have, if you know that you fall into those situations where you've lost weight, you've gained it back, you've lost what you've gained it back, but there are certain constants in your life that you're continuously disgruntled and unhappy about.

Maybe you already know how to do this weight loss thing. Maybe you need to deal with that so that you stop coming back to food to help deal with your problems. to adjust things outside of just your diet and nutrition and said, deal with your lifestyle and deal with those things so that you won't have these issues long-term because that's a very, very, what you mentioned is it's a very complex way to have to deal with the situation, but it's necessary. Yeah. And it's obviously tougher and sometimes it takes years, you know, years to do that. But if you want like a for sure resolution to your problem, it's just what needs sometimes it takes years, you know, years to do that. But if you want like a,

for sure resolution to your problem is just what needs to be done. And that's just some things take a long time and that's just how it is. Unfortunately, you know? Yeah. So amazing content today, where can people pick up your book and find out more about you? The two biggest corporations in the world, Amazon and Walmart, but also Neo,

I have to plug into the matrix. So that's how I justify selling my books there. You know, is that your favorite series by the way? Do you like the matrix? Major? Yeah, of course.

That's my favorite trilogy. Yeah. By the way, matrix is legit. Yeah. Can't wait for that. I do want to come out. I think,

I don't know what is coming out, but number four, I'm going to watch it. So it just needs to happen though but yeah what's your book called by the way uh very to the point anti-factory farm shopping guide oh i'm give guinea truffin so okay awesome where can people find you are you on social media yeah um i use all that they can just google my name and I'm sure something will come up. Hopefully. So great. Thank you so much.

Have a great rest of your day. Cool. Thank you, Mark. Thanks for having us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

See ya. Yo, holy shit. Second half of some of that stuff was a real, you know, hopefully it doesn't get lost. You know, hopefully we can, uh, you know, edit several clips from what he was saying.

Cause like that was, that was unbelievable. Yeah. And it's just him, uh, you know, and I, and I know it's a lot of, he's also reciting stuff. He he's, as I mentioned earlier, he works with Paul check, but it's also some of his own findings, but in helping people that are heavy or just helping people that really want to lose weight and they're having a really hard time, you hear people a lot of times say, and it could be with anything, but they say the struggle is real. And part of the struggle is that I think that we oftentimes don't identify what the actual

problem is, you know, because I think we don't want to talk about it. We don't want to say, hey, what happened to you when you were nine years old? And then you start crying all over the fucking place. You know what I mean? Like, but that could be something that could be a holding you back from advancing because there's always something there. There's always like that kind of,

you know, as he said, empty pit where you feel like you're missing something. There's a lot of people who have a lot of emptiness and a lot of downtime, but they don't view it as being negative. They just view it as being part of life, like this space is empty. Or I have downtime, I'm scrolling through social media and I'm seeing everyone else enjoying themselves, doing fun things,

putting up more points on the scoreboard, being more successful. And, oh, there's a person that's more successful than me. Oh, look at this person. There's another person that's more successful than me. But if you can just look at it as like, imagine your interpretation of social media is, I can't wait to see what some of my friends are up to today. Like, I can't wait to see, like, and Seema's always making cool posts. Andrew's always, Andrew posts up funny pictures of his baby or whatever.

And that's kind of your mode rather than just being dreary and filling in the empty spaces with I'm missing something, I'm missing something. You're inadequate. Right. It's a fucking horrible thing. And I think everyone deals with it so everyone can understand it. It's just that when someone is stuck and they have a hard time advancing uh that's usually the the core of it and that false core thing that he talked about i thought was uh just fucking awesome information absolutely kind of reminds me a little bit about what we were talking about the other day in terms of self-authoring stuff even if you don't go directly through that program like taking some

time to really think about like like yourself what you want to do how things have affected you how you think about certain things like asking yourself all those questions and getting to the and getting to the nitty-gritty of it because that can really help you be able to flesh out why you continue to have a lot of the same problems moving forward story gap that part was like pretty gut-wrenching too like what's you know you mentioned i think what playing a piano when you were young right and you kind of wish you would have played all the way i think you play some instruments now right yeah yeah but that's that's a great thing like why not just why don't just fucking fill in the story gap you know what's the what what's the

story gap that someone might have maybe you can't uh figure out a way to fulfill it all the way that someone might have, maybe you can't figure out a way to fulfill it all the way. But if you like to paint, like, does that mean you have to be a painter necessarily? Like sell your art? Or can you just start painting again? You know, what's the skill set or the thing that you like doing that you don't do anymore? And why don't you do it? What happened? Where did it go?

You know, my brother-in-law recently, when he came up here for a few days he picked up some swimming he went with andy but it's like uh that's like you were a division one swimmer man like you was you should never let go of that yeah and i and i think like i don't understand what he went through for swimming i mean it must have been very must have been you know i don't understand what he went through for swimming. I mean, it must have been very, must have been, you know, I don't play football anymore. Right. And I love football. But I'm just saying like, stay connected to your fitness, whatever way you can. And in his case, he got really far away from it and he could have played the piano the

whole time. Right. But things happen and you get distracted, but that's probably a story gap a little bit for him because he probably, there's probably piece, a chunk of him that swimming is like part of him. Like he was known for being a swimmer. He went to ASU. He was a scholarship athlete. I mean, he's a badass.

He's a mile. He does a mile swim, which is like just the, I can't think of a worse thing to pick. Basically sprinting a mile in the water just absolutely annihilate you, right? basically sprinting a mile in the water just absolutely annihilate you right but i think we all have things like that and that we can we can figure out a way to you scratch the itch if you want to call it that but i think we don't understand how important that shit is it's really fucking important it's really is it really is really important and i think even even to take that a step further i think sometimes we hang out with friends. Uh, we might have friends that we kind of, you put your friends in certain categories. Like I got these buddies over here. They're super smart. I got these buddies over

here. Uh, they're kind of less smart. You know, they have the intelligence of this office chair over here. And I don't know how much I want to hang out with them anymore because all they do is fuck around, but it's important to fuck around. around like it all the stuff's important. You need to fuck around you need to spend time Doing like nothing you need to spend some time Not always pushing forward like a maniac I just otherwise like what he said is It compiles on top of itself and the amount of money that you make and all the different things that you do You'll never even have a moment to enjoy any of them yeah the idea of having something you can control and enjoy but i think

was that that's really really big because like when he was giving the example like this bad relationship you don't enjoy it you have no control over aspects of it your job that you don't like you you you can control how you feel about certain things but like at the end of the day you really just don't enjoy it and you're forced to be there because you have to make money well that sucks and now you can go to McDonald's and get that big mac and fries and you can control and enjoy how much of it you eat and it makes you feel good you know but you can also get out of control real quick get out of control real quick because they got to make flurries but at the end of the day though is that really out of control for you no that's not out of control for you you have

perfect control over the amount you ate it might have been excess but that was your choice to have that excess right it's not out of your control it's not out of your control you had those three big macs and you ate it all right but but that's the thing i think that's why you said big macs are good they really are i haven't had one in years and I'm really thinking of getting one. Let's go. I don't think I've ever had one.

It's good. We need to stop saying that. It really is really tasty though. There's a reason why people love the Big Mac. Cheeseburgers are amazing. You know, I've never gotten a Big Mac

with multiple patties. You could probably ask them, can I get a Big Mac? Can I get like four? Four patties instead of... Huh. Okay, guys, we're trying to get... Big Mac is multiple patties. You could probably ask them, can I get a Big Mac? Can I get like four? Four patties instead of... Okay, guys, we're trying to get... Big Mac is really weird. How did the Big Mac get created? It has

extra bread in it. Oh yeah, it does have that extra middle piece of bread. Yeah, it's weird. Special sauce. It is really good though. Why do we do this? I don't know how the song goes. Actually, I think it makes sense. It's because, like, the ratio, right?

Like, because you have extra meat. If you just pile, like, a lot of meat on a burger, as savage as it is, it gets weird. It's just like a big meaty cheesy thing, which is delicious, but... Flying Dutchman. Having the bread to kind of soak it up and to put some extra sauce on there.

You get more surface area to put more stuff. We got to research this who invented the big mac i wonder yeah i can google it but that's not for a hamburglar what i don't know they got those weird like yeah yeah grimace yeah grimace the big fat purple thing the hamburglar i'm assuming that that grimace is probably not around anymore he got canceled wait grimace i don't know what is the grimace it's a dirty bastard but is this like a mcdonald's thing yeah and the hamburger cartoon characters with uh is he purple ronald mcdonald's yeah i kind of remember him yeah i pull him up and i'm curious what the grimace looks like

that's funny yeah ronald mcdonald that ronald mcdonald is terrifying he actually is he's scary if you walked through this door. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's terrifying, too. Yeah. Look at that. Oh, my goodness.

Jesus Christ, that thing's fat. Yeah. He's had a lot of Big Macs. So what is he supposed to be in terms of like. He looks like an avocado. A purple avocado. Oh, yeah. What is it?

The Grimace. Is it McDonald's? What is it? Huh? Yeah, I don't know. He just ate too many Big Macs. The Grimace? McDonald's? Huh. Yeah, I don't know. You just ate too many Big Macs. The Grimace and Trump. But what I was saying was that pretty much

get some things that you actually do enjoy in your life. Try to. I mean, everybody does seek that out, but seek that out outside of food. You know what I mean? Right. That's a big deal. it all compiles on on itself like what he was saying you know and it's it's it can be really frustrating because i know

i went through this where like i had a job i didn't like yeah i basically was that person he was describing and it's like dude why can't i like be a hard worker like why do i fuck i just every day i'm just like tired at work you know i just and then you know lunchtime would come around and be like you know i like yeah i need to i need to pick me up or whatever and then again it just piles on top of itself and it's like oh like this sucks yeah you know it's tough it's really hard when you don't know what's what's wrong right you think it's you or you like i mean it is you but like you think that it's um like uh like specifically you you know like it's not like all these things piling on yourself it's really it sucks yeah shitty place to be yeah i think hard worker you know i think is

a perfect example because like you shouldn't view it as hard like if you're interested enough in it perfect example because like you shouldn't view it as hard like if you're interested enough in it you know then you're really just like it hard still might be a component to it the intensity level might be high you know uh thinking back of like some old like football practices or wrestling practices yeah like i'd actually get a little intimidated by it and be like man that today's gonna be but i still loved going like i i was not thinking like, ah, I should, I should probably just skip today or whatever. I was still excited to go. It didn't really even, you know, I knew it was going to be work, but I wasn't like, ah, today's going to be so hard, you know? And I just, the idea of like being tired and things like that, like it, you, you rather,

you just accept them or push them to the side rather than allow them to drag you down more but if it was something i didn't want to do like hey it's time to do like math homework or something oh i'm tired like oh it's gonna be so hard you know now i don't know now i'm checked out yeah it's it's like i said it's just so frustrating because you think it's your fault almost yeah you know like know, like somebody I know, you know, they were pretty fired up. They just got a new job. Like, you know, they went in, you know, like what they said, like bushy eyes. I don't know how that shit works.

Bushy eyes. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed or some shit like that. Yeah, yeah, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Something like that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I've heard it once in my life. That's why I got it correctly. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Yeah. I don't know. I've heard it once or once in my life.

That's why I got it. Great. I didn't bushy tailed. Bright eyed. Why do you say that? I don't know. Bright eyed makes sense. But bushy tail.

I don't got explanations why we do everything that we do. Maybe it's not always rational. Like when a dog wags their tail, they're all excited. But it's bushy. I don't know. Okay. Fair enough. Bushy is a funny term but anyway

yes it is a couple weeks pass and like you know all the the the shit from like the interview and everything like the hype wore off yeah and then you know they're they called in sick and i'm like yeah it's just because you just don't care you know like you're not you're not into it like i've we've started a podcast and i've thrown up while we're recording like really yeah twice now oh my god like wait it's a day or just in general okay in the in the now technically over 500 episodes that we've done yeah opportunities where i did not feel like being alive it's like no but i i mean i'm just saying like because i felt sick yeah i got depressed or anything but because i i love doing this you know and it's like yeah i'm not gonna unless there's a crazy emergency i'm not gonna call in sick but you know

again it's like shit like oh is it me like am i lazy is it like no you're just not interested you're not into it it's okay know, it's not your fault. You know, I heard something that was interesting. It was from Lex Friedman. He was talking to Andrew Huberman and he was talking about how. Just talking about that today. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. This morning. Really? Okay. So there was a clip. I think actually it was a clip from, yeah, it was a clip from that podcast. And he was saying how, like, when he's doing something hard, he'll sometimes say, oh, actually, you know, I'm really enjoying this or this feels good. Right. It changes his mindset about it.

But it also reminded me from part of this conversation that we are having today. I saw a post from this bodybuilder guy. Now, I'm not going to say his name. I don't like the way he put the post forward. But he was saying you got to kind of be crazy to do bodybuilding, to tear down and build yourself up on a day-to-day basis like it's not easy it's it takes a certain kind of mindset and as i read that i was just like nah not really like no you don't have to be crazy to do it it's really not that hard you go and you work out you leave and i feel like maybe some people like when they do certain things they perceive it as

being very difficult as a way to i don't know like in his sense it's it was to kind of show what i'm doing is really dope and what i'm doing is really hard but at the same time it's like no it's not like going and working out i don't it's very difficult going and doing jujitsu. Even at the beginning, I feel like anybody can go and they can do that. It's just, how are you perceiving what you're doing? And if,

if you're a new person and you read that and you want to get into bodybuilding, first off, that's very discouraging. But secondly, if you start to look at it that way, that does not seem enjoyable. That does not seem like something I'd want to get up and try to do every

single day. Like when I look at lifting, I'm excited because I'm going to go and I'd want to get up and try to do every single day like when i look at lifting i'm excited because i'm gonna go and i'm gonna get a great pump gonna feel good i'm gonna leave the gym feeling good that's the way i look at it and that's why it's so easy for me to go and do it all the time but if you go and you're like oh this is gonna be painful this is gonna be rough i'm gonna be breaking myself down and building myself up like who the fuck wants to do that perception's huge yeah probably because they just like either it they wanted to look like a rite of passage or like we're in this club over here i know yeah we can get things that you guys can't because you can't tap into this like crazy level of thought or whatever i get and then there's also

like uh the whole like competition of who has it worse yeah you know like you're like ah shit like my car wouldn't start this morning oh well my car wouldn't start this morning and it got repoed like oh okay you win you know whatever it may be the best thing pay attention to the way you perceive the things that you're doing or you perceive the things that happen to you like i mentioned a friend of mine whenever anything bad happens to her she laughs like immediately she's made it a trigger to laugh because it helps her deal with that situation in a much better way than getting all like getting all angry and sad about it. So there's a lot of, you know, professional boxers and stuff over the years that have been like hard and they've been like rough and rugged.

And but like I never viewed Muhammad Ali that way. Nope. Looked like he was having a lot of fun. That was his interpretation of the way that he wanted to do it. And I think what you're mentioning with this particular lifter, bodybuilder, that's their interpretation of how they have to do it. You can be like a Tom Brady, or you could be more like a Brett Favre.

Brett Favre was more relaxed he looked like he had a lot more fun um there's there's a lot of examples of this i mean lebron doesn't seem to be as quote-unquote crazy as jordan was right he seems but maybe lebron's just that much fucking better than him you know like i mean truthfully like lebron james from a genetic standpoint, is unbelievable. And he seems very focused, and he doesn't seem like he's got, I mean, who knows what he does or doesn't do, but it doesn't seem like he's got a lot of side shit going on. It seems like he's very, so, and Shaq, right?

Shaq's a great example. Shaq's just, like, out there fucking around, messing around. And he's like, yeah, scored 30 points, got a bunch of rebounds, my job we won the game oh we won another ring you know like another day in the office yeah it doesn't always um and even just like uh with with business you know people say to be an entrepreneur you have to be crazy and i haven't found any of this to be crazy and i haven't found even uh inventing something something is a little bit of a strange process because I don't really I personally don't necessarily know how to

teach someone how to do that because I think they kind of land on you through a series of like a bunch of shit that's not worth getting into at the moment but none of it was hard. You know creating the slingshot wasn't hard. Creating a multi-million dollar business wasn't hard. There's been nothing that has been like that I would view as being like really hard. You know, creating the Slingshot wasn't hard. Creating a multi-million dollar business wasn't hard. There's been nothing that has been, like, that I would view as being, like, really hard. I guess if there's uh, I would still pick

doing, doing what I'm doing versus doing what they're doing. I think, uh, I would have a way harder time doing what they're doing because I'm not interested in doing any of that and being on time and like punching in like, uh, eight to five or nine to five or whatever it would be like, that it would be, like that would just be, that would actually be really hard for me, you know, as opposed to what I was able to do. It doesn't feel hard because it's been something that I loved and something I'm interested in and I'm still interested in. I'm still making it better.

Still working on it. Take us on out of here, Andrew. I will. Thank you everybody for checking out today's episode. If you found any of it valuable, please like this video. Please share this with somebody, definitely somebody you know that could use this information. Please make sure you're following the podcast at MarkBell'sPowerProject on Instagram, at MBPowerProject on Twitter. My Instagram, Twitter, and Clubhouse is at IamAndrewZ.

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