Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 590 - Your Mouth Wash Is Chemo! Dr. Kourosh Maddahi

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

Kourosh Maddahi, DDS, Smile Transformation Specialist, is an Award-winning Cosmetic Dentist who has helped thousands of patients transform their smiles and change their lives for the better. Dr. Maddahi explains to us today how our mouths, hands and even our eyes all have their own microbiome and our everyday tooth pastes, mouth washes and anti-bacterial soaps are the equivalent of chemo therapy. Special offer from Dr. Maddahi's Lumineux Products: Use Code POWER for 15% off! Link: https://oralessentials.com/ Special perks for our listeners below! ➢Magic Spoon Cereal: https://www.magicspoon.com/powerproject to automatically save $5 off a variety pack! ➢8 Sleep: Visit https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro! ➢Marek Health: https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT15 for 15% off ALL LABS! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢LMNT Electrolytes: http://drinklmnt.com/powerproject ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Subscribe to the Power Project Newsletter! ➢ https://bit.ly/2JvmXMb Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

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oh yeah it was like a compilation CD of like all the music they play in stadiums yeah I remember that I mean you guys kind of played out but yeah probably still find it on itunes or something probably hopefully it was good do you no it's all the hype music yeah it is it's the final countdown wow all that shit that's amazing do you guys ever watch Blue's Clues? Oh, of course. I saw that thing yesterday. It made me feel.

I was like, oh, man. Russ Swole said the same thing. He was just like, this hits me in all the feels. It did. Blue's Clues is great. So Steve, there's this last episode where Steve went to college, right? He's like, oh, there's my cousin John or whatever that you guys sucked. He's like, I need a notebook. He's like, I need a notebook.

He's like, I need a notebook. And he goes, bing. But he just left. And then he was gone. You never saw him again. But then he made a little video yesterday. And it hit the heart. Where has he been?

He's been doing life, man. Oh, OK. Yeah. We should play. You'll see doing life, man. Oh, okay. Yeah. We should play. You'll see. You'll see. But I think I was like nine or some shit. Loose Clues is good.

Yeah, I totally miss. I didn't have any reason to watch it. Like, I had no kids around me. Yeah. I was too old. Yeah. I've seen a lot of it. I've seen too much of it.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course you have. There was one show that I actually liked, though, that my kids used to watch. Damn it, I'm having a hard time remembering the actors. Barney? Because Barney was my shit. No, I told you guys about this one before, but it has fitness in it.

Oh, yeah. And it had a guy named Sportacus in it. He's kicking everyone's ass. He was all in shape and everything he told us about this one yeah we pulled up a clip it was pretty great it's hilarious yeah yeah yeah what's it from it's like a fantasy land at a fitness if you were tripping hard yeah so our our guest is good to go but i really want to find out what this is from sport because robbie rotten oh yeah robbie rotten what is it from rob Robbie Rotten. Oh, yeah, Robbie Rotten.

What is it from? Robbie Rotten tried to make you eat candy and shit. Ice cream pizza. Nope. Iceland. Wow, Google sucks right now. Here it is. Lazy Town?

Lazy Town. Yeah, that's what it was. I've never heard of it. And the whole town is set up to, like, try to make all the kids in it lazy. Oh, wow. And there's a superhero, Sportacus. He comes to the rescue.

Dude, it's like idiocracy. It's showing us the future. Right. All right, let's get the doctor up in here. Mm-hmm. Shoot, day two, baby. Oh, my God. Amazing.

You are on the hot streak, and we can't yell. Just calm down for a second. Yeah. There he is a hot streak and we can't yell. Calm down. Yeah. There he is. All right. Can you hear us? Yes, I can. Can you hear me?

Yes, sir. Let's have you pronounce your name for us so we don't butcher it too bad. You can say Dr. Madahi. I think that's the simplest way. Dr. Madahi. Dr.

Madahi. There we go. Yeah. Dr. Madahi is easy. There we go. Great to have you on the show today. Dr. Madahi. Dr. Madahi. There we go. Yeah, Dr. Madahi is easy. There we go. Great to have you on the show today. Really appreciate your time.

Let's kind of dive in. Absolutely. We have a lot of fans that are lifters, power lifters, bodybuilders, things like that. People who've kind of built their body up to be bigger than what their body's used to. And then, therefore, a lot of people end up running into, or at least we think that it has to do with being bigger. I don't even really know. Maybe you'll help correct us on this.

But people run into a lot of sleep problems. They run into like sleep apnea. In your career as a dentist, how have you been able to help or what are some of your knowledge in terms of being able to help mitigate something like sleep apnea? Yeah, I think, first of all, I think sleep apnea is something that people started to pay attention to in the past 10, 15 years, more than ever before. And some of the understanding of it comes from the fact that what is blocking the person actually being able to breathe. So we want to break that down a bit and then get into it.

So number one thing that I always look for is can they breathe through their nose? So many people, so many of my patients, the number one thing is that they have a deviated septum or they have a lot of allergies and this allergy problem doesn't let them actually breathe through their nose and if they're not breathing through their nose nitric oxide is not being produced and then the oxygen and the nutrients that's supposed to go to the brain is not going. So that's the number one thing that I start with. If they have allergies, part of the problem is that there are allergies and people have allergies and then taking a lot of medications for the allergy itself.

The medications that you take for the allergy causes dry mouth inside your mouth, which causes uncontrolled cavities. So we have to always look at the linkage between all of the different things that are happening in terms of one with the other with the other. So if there are on allergy medications, I check for dry mouth. I check for uncontrolled cavities and drinking water actually makes the situation worse. And they say, why? How is that possible? I drink water all day. I said, because the problem is lack of saliva. Saliva is what you need, not water. Saliva has things in it, which is a natural antibiotic.

It fights cavities inside your mouth. So if you have little saliva and you're drinking a lot of water, you're diluting the saliva you actually have in your mouth. So the key is how do we increase the saliva rather than keep your mouth moist? Moist mouth does not mean you don't have dry mouth. A mouth that has saliva means that you don't have dry mouth. So there are mouthwashes that produces, makes you have more saliva. Those are the kind of things that we have to be engaged in. And it's not only allergy medications.

There's 450 different medications that causes dry mouth. So we have to be very careful. All people that are on psychiatric medications, there's antidepressants, anti-anxiety, all of these things causes dry mouth as well. So then we get into what's happening in the mouth. People that are clenchers and grinders also over time, what happens is that the lower jaw first starts to crowd. And this crowding of the lower front teeth decreases the space within the mouth. And the decreasing of this space means there's not enough room for the tongue. As a result, the tongue starts to block the airway and you get sleep apnea. So looking at the arch form inside their mouth and making sure there is enough of an arch for the tongue to actually sit in there

would be another area that we have to be cognizant over. So what can be done? So if there's not really enough space, one is orthodontic treatment to expand the arch. But one of the other things is that how can we bring the lower jaw forward while they're sleeping? As a result of bringing the lower jaw forward, you have enough room for the tongue to come forward and it no longer blocks the airway and people are able to sleep better. So these are some of the aspects that we look into in terms of figuring out what's going on with the dry mouth. So when I'm talking to athletes, I always, first of all, I look at their teeth.

I look at wear marks and I look at the jaw muscles. If the jaw muscles are very much developed, my worry is while they're doing weightlifting, they're clenching a lot. And this clenching, clenching, clenching, clenching, clenching is also impacting the movement of the teeth and could cause less space in the future. So I always tell them when they are doing any type of lifting exercises or during the gym to wear a night guard that protects the teeth from moving and protects the jaw from putting so much pressure on the teeth themselves. So this is one aspect. And then the other aspect is definitely what I had talked about is not a deviated septum

and they can actually breathe correctly through their nose. You know, I'm curious real quick, you mentioned allergies and allergies is something that, I mean, I never really thought too much about. Cause I know when I was younger, I didn't really have much allergies, but when I became an adult, it's like it would happen more often. And what I would, what I usually do, and it usually ends up working, but it's a suffering for about two weeks is I get a lot of work done outside. So if I have allergies, I will just sit out there and it'll just slowly just go away in a period of a week and a half or two weeks

but what are some ways that if people always get bad allergies during allergy season do they just need to resort to taking allergy medication or is there a way to get you know is there a way to mitigate that from happening or just get rid of it altogether? Yeah, absolutely. So in terms of allergies, I want to talk about two forms of allergies. The one that you were talking about is when you work outside and you get allergies, there's a seasonal types of things that could be happening. So one is seasonal. And then the other kind that's becoming much more prevalent is people are having allergies all year round. And we want to talk about both of them separately and the causes behind it. So it's an interesting point you just brought up. It says,

when I have allergies, I just go sit out there. And over time, I feel like the allergies goes away. So what you're trying to do, you're trying to desensitize the reaction of your body to the allergens that are in the air. So it's a desensitization type of a thing. So if you go to an allergist and say, I have allergies, what they do, they do allergy tests. A lot of them is just you go on your back, you sit, and they do scratches of things on your back, and they find out what are you allergic to. And then once they find out what you're allergic to, they say, okay, we're going to give you low doses of that allergens over time until you become desensitized to it. So if you truly want to get rid of it and you don't want to be dependent upon the allergic medication and allergy medication, that's one of the things you can do, get desensitization. The second part, I think, which gets missed the most is food allergies. Now, where are these food allergies coming is because to some degree the water and the food

system is contaminated and when we're talking about these contaminations is that because we use pesticides because we use a lot of chemicals in some of the processed food that we eat all of these things start to create allergies within your body that is very insidious. You're not well aware of it. You don't know what's happening to you. But all I can tell you is you can't breathe as well as you used to breathe, right? So why is it as we go along in life, we're starting to have some of these things. It could be food allergies. So doing a panel to really find out what are some of these food allergies is what I'm recommending the most because that gets missed the most because people don't think there's anything wrong with what they're eating. But over time, that food source has become contaminated and there's many more chemicals and they're being processed even further.

So that's why bread, rice, gluten, are you talking about gluten intolerance? That has become in the forefront in the past 20 years, whereas there are many countries that actually live on rice and bread and there's no problems. Where did this gluten sensitivity come from is there is a contamination within the source yeah it seems like a lot of it ends up having to do with uh kind of how we digest stuff but the first place where you start to digest stuff is uh through your saliva and through your teeth right absolutely that's the first point. That's the first point, entry point to the entire body. And so people that are really into, that are athletes, that are thinking about fitness, they really have to make sure whatever is going on in their mouth is not impacting the rest of the body. So if you look at the research in the past 20 years, there's a linkage between gum disease with heart disease, with diabetes, with early term pregnancies that there's premature babies. There is some things that are going on with the lung, some things are going on Alzheimer's. There's a lot of linkages that are going on, right?

And the question is to why. Why is the mouth such an important aspect in terms of what is going on inside your body? So many people think when they eat something and they swallow it is the way that the food and nutrients get absorbed into your body. It's not true. When food is in your mouth, through the tissues of your mouth, there is absorption of the food and nutrients and toxins into your bloodstream. How can I prove this? Very easily.

There's two things. One is somebody who's having a heart attack. The physician says, put two nitroglycerin pill under your tongue, not swallow it, just put it under your tongue. And what happens as a result of taking the nitroglycerin pill, putting under your tongue, there's a vasodilation, the arteries open up, and that whole feeling that the chest is being tightened starts to go away because the rate of absorption is much faster under your tongue because it's well vascularized than swallowing something. We did a study that we were in. I also have a company called Lumino that has different oral care products. And one of the things that we're very proud of is this is a sort of a certified non-toxic products,

but what does that mean? So we did a study with our mouthwash, which is colorless. And as you have seen, all the mouthwashes on the market have some sort of a coloring in it. So I could never understand if we want white teeth, why would we want to rinse with green, blue, yellow, purple mouthwashes, number one. Number two, why would we want to put these toxic colorings in our mouthwash? And the explanation has always been that you don't swallow it, you rinse and you spit. So we did a study that we took a group of people that rinsed their mouth with Listerine and then a group of people that rinsed their mouth with a mouthwash, 60 second rinse, and then they spit it out. We measured the amount of alcohol because there's, first of all, alcohol in the mouthwashes. We don't have any alcohol, but there's alcohol in the mouthwash. Within 60 seconds,

that particular type of alcohol showed up in their bloodstream and the dye showed up in their bloodstream. And five minutes later, the amount of dye in the bloodstream had increased already. So we have to understand whatever you put in your mouth is not only what you chew and goes into your stomach, it actually gets absorbed into your body through the tissues of the mouth. The second part is when there is inflammation in the mouth, that means you have bleeding gums, when you're brushing, when you're flossing, there's bleeding. That bleeding, what that means is that the inflammatory markers, toxins and everything

can also get into your bloodstream much easier. That is the reason why when you have gum disease, these inflammatory markers, bacterias, viruses, whatever is there can spread out throughout the different organs of the body. whatever is there can spread out throughout the different organs of the body. As a result, the oral health and whole body health is connected because it pushes out everything everywhere. I'm curious, when you were talking about sleep, right? And you have some individuals use a mouthpiece that pushes the jaw forward to create a little bit more space. I use a mouth tape so that I focus on only breathing through my nose

when I do sleep. And I noticed that I sleep better. But how do you feel about people using mouth tape just to trigger breathing through the nose? So as long as they can use the mouth tape and they can breathe through the nose, perfect. Perfect. That's one way you can rather easily find out if they can actually breathe through their nose.

They put a mouth tape and they can't breathe. That's how fast you can find out that you can actually, you don't have a deviated septum. The allergies are not acting up and you can actually breathe through your nose. You're going to get the most amount of nitric oxide going to your brain and the rest of your body. So the nitric oxide aspect of it, which is very important because nitric oxide increases the way that the vasodilation, so there's more oxygen going to your organs, right? And more nutrients going to your organs. the nitric oxide is being produced by nose breathing and also by having nitrates, which is the spinach, arugula, lettuce in your mouth,

the oral microbiome turning the nitrates into nitric oxide. So the oral microbiome plays a role in production of nitric oxide. That's why antiseptic mouthwashes that kill the oral microbiome are hindering nitric oxide production as well. What do you think of some of these devices that people are using to train their jaw? Are these things worthwhile to look into? Is someone on the right track or is this kind of stuff just nonsense, you think? Okay, so training your jaw. So when you're talking about training of the jaw, there is an aspect that we have to look at. Is it training your jaw to chew a particular way?

It's almost impossible to train your jaw to chew a particular way. almost impossible to train your jaw to be a true particular bit. Is it trying to make sure that the imbalances in terms of your bite are corrected? There are devices that can definitely help in terms of balancing the bite. And the balancing of the bite has definite impact on the spine, on the jaw, on the neck, on the shoulders, all the way to your calf muscles. There is something to do with the bite and TMJ having an impact on all sorts of things that are going on through your body. And then another part of the device is the device trying to expand your arch so that there is more room for your tongue to be there so you can actually breathe properly? That one is a little bit more difficult to achieve

because by the age of 16, inside the palate, which is the roof of your mouth, there is a suture line that the bones are coming together and form and they fuse together. So expanding of the arch is not such an easy thing to do. Once you get past that age, if you truly wanted to expand the arch, you would have to do some sort of a surgery to open up the suture and then use a device to expand the arch. So there is a lot of devices also on the market that are talking about expanding the arch. But part of the problem that I have seen is, yes, they're expanding the arch,

but the teeth are coming out of the bone because you are moving the teeth outward, but they're coming out of the bone because the jaw cannot be very much expanded. So you have to be very careful with these type of things. So as an adult, I mean, the only option you really have is pretty much trying to get surgery in that case. Like you can't really do much in terms of making a change.

And for individuals that are like, there's this thing I've seen called like jaws or size. I've seen that type of thing. It's like a hard ball that people chew, but other people like chew hard gum to try to. Phalium gum. Yeah. Like, like even I chew phalium gum sometimes like,

like I do that also. Is that not really having a beneficial effect or is it doing anything as an adult? So there is. So as an adult, it's very difficult to know exactly the effect of these things because there are not controlled studies that are showing these things. So I am at heart a scientist and I'm always evaluating data in a controlled setting to see what is going on. setting to see what is going on. So there is an aspect of why our jaws are becoming smaller, because we are no longer carnivorous. The more of plant-based food that we eat, the more softer

food that we eat, the less necessary for the jaw, for the teeth to grow. As a result, we are seeing over time, historically, when you look at the skulls, historically, the jaws are becoming smaller and smaller, and there's more crowding. And so one of the contributory factors has been that we're not eating hard food. The food has become softer, right? And as a result, some of these changes have happened.

But as an adult, when you do that, is that going to expand your arch? I haven't seen conclusive evidence of that. Now, I have another question too, because what you were just mentioning there, as far as the foods and how we're moving away from eating hard foods, meats, etc. I've noticed, for example, when I look at some of my family in Nigeria and other countries like that, there seems to be just less prevalence of braces because of the type of food that they eat growing up. Is that a reason why we're seeing so many kids needing to get braces here in the U.S. because they're not forming?

Yeah, so I do believe that is a factor. But I do also believe that the level of education and going to the dentist has become so prevalent in U.S. that any type of malocclusion, people are getting braces, anything that's not optimal. So I do believe one factor is education. And the other factor is also what people eat. Definitely, there is evidence, because the crowding historically wasn't there, when you look at the scalds again, and now it's much more prevalent, and the crowding is much more prevalent now. So there has to be a shift in the diet. And is that also why, like, for example, individuals wisdom teeth, like, is it normal to have to get wisdom teeth removed?

Just because again, it's like, I know a lot of people who they, they ate certain foods growing up and they have room in like in their mouths. Like I, like I have room in my mouth for my wisdom teeth. And my doctor was trying, like one of my doctors was trying to say, hey, just get them removed. Another dentist was like, you have good enough room to keep them. But is it, like, is that, are you supposed to have to get your wisdom teeth removed or should you?

No, absolutely not. So the only reason why you would need your wisdom teeth removed is there's not enough space or you cannot clean it properly. That's it. If there is enough space, you can clean it properly. There's no reason. for the wisdom teeth to come out and they're pushing the other teeth or the, and as they're coming out, crowding everything else has become so much that taking the wisdom teeth out has become a way of relieving that situation.

But many people that are actually from African nations, they have, not only do they have bigger jaws, they rarely have to take out their wisdom teeth even people from india very rarely you would have to take out their wisdom teeth again their diet is you see more wear on their teeth that means that their diet has something that's wearing down their teeth but but it is not causing it to a point that there's not enough room for it to come out. And again, also part of the diet is countries that don't have refined sugar in it, in their diet as much, the rate of cavity is completely different.

You see the rate of cavity in India, even in China, is very different than in the Western countries. It's because of the introduction of refined sugar when you're going to africa the african nations where there is not much refined sugar very very very very very low prevalence of a cavity there may be gum disease prone but not to cavities so again there's a factor of diet that plays a role in the size of your jaw, but also in getting cavities and all sorts of things that comes after that as well. You mentioned earlier, you know, chewing of, you know, vegetables and plant-based foods and things

of that nature. It's my understanding that we need to chew stuff that's hard, you know, in order to even have our teeth kind of form correctly and things of that nature. What happens when we chew on hard stuff and why is that maybe important? Yeah. So in terms of the development of the teeth, chewing hard stuff, I think it creates a spacing in terms of the jaw development. But in terms of the formation of the teeth, it doesn't have any impact. So the answer to this question actually comes from this thing that as people get older, they are much more prone to osteoporosis, are much more prone to osteoporosis, right? And what the doctors tell the people to do is do weightlifting. Why are they saying do weightlifting where you have osteoporosis is because the bone starts to grow and become harder under pressure. Okay. So that's a key factor. So when you chew hard food, the bone around the teeth becomes very much stronger. So how I have also seen this play out in my own practice is that people that have lost teeth,

we put in an implant, which is a titanium screw inside their jawbone. Initially, during the first year, their bone hasn't 100% become formed. It's forming, it's becoming harder. After two or three years, because there is no nerve on the implant and they're chewing harder food on the implant, the bone around the implant is so much denser than the rest of their mouth. And it's because of that chewing of hard food. Now, by the same token, I can tell you, there's more cracking of teeth that's going on with harder food as well. So how do we balance this out, right?

So people that eat raw cashews, whole raw cashews, raw cashews, whole raw cashews, that in itself can contribute to a lot of cracking of the teeth. And you say, why? The reason is there's a thickness to this, and this thickness can sometimes cause the chewing and the chewing forces not to be completely perpendicular. And it's an off-angle pressure. And these off-angle pressures can fracture teeth. So you have to be thinking with eating harder food and not eating such hard food that's also causing a lot of fracturing of the teeth as well. Earlier, you had mentioned something about TMJ having more effects on the body than just

the jaw. What else can TMJ cause? Okay, so TMJ, first of all, let's define it. T stands for temporal mandibular joint. It's the joint itself right at the side of your jaw, right? So there is a meniscus between every joint in your body, and there is a meniscus in the jaw joint. So when you hear any clicking and popping in your jaw, there could be some damage to this meniscus. Because the jaw joint proximity is next to the

ear, and it's right in your head. So the kind of things that you would see is that sometimes people are complaining of ringing ear. There's a ringing in their ear. It could be due to TMJ. When they wake up in the morning with a headache or they get headaches in the afternoon, could be due to clenching that's causing the temporal mandibular joint to be under pressure. Definitely, the muscle of the masseter muscle is very much affected. Temporal muscle is very much affected. Sternocleidomastoid muscle, which is the neck muscle, is very much. Shoulder, lower back, and calf muscles are all connected to that TMJ issue. So the more of a clencher grinder you have been and the longer you have been doing it, you can have these types of tightnesses and also pain in these areas.

So, yeah, I definitely have the ringing, the headaches, everything you just kind of mentioned, almost everything. everything you just kind of mentioned, almost everything. So what can we do to help aid and, you know, kind of help our TMJ issue? Absolutely. So first of all, I got to tell you, most people that have, that they clench or grind their teeth, they don't know. So don't expect somebody to know that clenching or grinding their teeth. 80% of those people are actually doing it at night.

They're not aware of it. If they're grinders, the person who's sleeping next to them can hear them grinding. With grinding, you hear the noise. With clenching, you hear zero noise because the teeth are just pressing up against each other. Right. So, so I kept asking my patients, do you clench or grind? And no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's always a no. Right. And I said, I'm not asking the right question because they're asleep. How would they know they're clenching their teeth? So I started to ask a different question. Do you ever feel your teeth? And they look at me as if I'm crazy.

What do you mean? Do you feel your teeth? Of course I feel my teeth. I said, in actuality, you should never know you have teeth in your mouth because they never touch. When you're chewing food, your teeth don't touch.

They never touch. I don't even know I have teeth in my mouth. There's no way you would even know. It never, there's always a space between the teeth. If you feel your teeth, you're clenching or you're grinding your teeth. So I would say this, and then they would come back. They said, not only I feel myself in the middle of the night, I get up, my teeth are tight together. In the morning, they're tight together.

But during the day, I feel my teeth. morning, they're tight together, but during the day, I feel my teeth. So I started to understand, and they started to understand that this clenching and grinding, it could be happening at all times of the day, but mostly at night. Okay, so now we've established the person is a clencher or a grinder. Now, we have to look at what's causing the clenching and the grinding, okay? Clenching is as a result of stress. I want to repeat that again. Clenching is as a result of stress. I want to repeat that again. Clenching is as a result of stress. Now, again, people will laugh at me.

So everybody clenches. Who's not under stress? Stress has a very specific definition. The best definition I found is something you cannot do anything about. It's not the pressure of life. It's what is it you cannot do anything about that you're worried about? You're worried, you're concerned, but you cannot do anything about it. That is where stress is. And if we don't handle that, the clenching doesn't really stop. And they say then to me, if I could handle it, I would have done something and I wouldn't be under stress. So how would I go about this?

There is an easy solution. People always think when there is something they cannot do anything about, there's some huge breakthrough has to happen. No, whatever you can do, no matter how small it is, you do toward handling your problem. It gets rid of the idea of you cannot do anything about it. No matter how small it is, it doesn't matter. So first, we have to understand that's what it is. Grinding mainly comes from bad bite. So people that are grinders, they have to have their bite checked. So these two things.

Now, what can we do as dentists? Dentists, the only thing that they can do, they can create a device called a night guard that takes the pressure off of the teeth. So the damage to the joint number one is no longer there because the thickness of the night guard brings the jaw joint down so that it's not ramming into the meniscus every time that they're clenching and grinding. So that night guard is preventing damage to the joint number one because the damage to the joint is irreversible. Even if you grind down your teeth, you can put crowns on your teeth and you can still have normal size teeth, but the damage to the jaw

joint is very, very difficult to reverse. Then, so we want to get rid of the damage to the jaw joint. We want to prevent the damage to the teeth. Does a night guard prevent you from clenching? No, it's just preventing the damage that you're doing to your teeth, to your muscles and to your joint. So people that are heavy, heavy clenchers, even with a night guard, they're still continuing to have headaches. The next thing we ask them to do is put Botox in the jaw muscle. Why Botox? All we're trying to do is decrease the amount of pressure the person puts on their teeth by 30%. Because the muscles have developed so much that the amount of pressure they're putting on their teeth is actually so much that is starting to crack their teeth and they can't even stop it anymore. So just to give you a ballpark, normal people can put 250 pounds per square inch on their back

molars and 90 pounds per square inch on their front teeth. Clenchers and grinders can go up to 800 pounds on their back teeth and about 250 pounds on their front teeth. To put that even further in perspective, shark is at 900 pounds per square inch when they bite. So that's how much you can develop this muscle and how much you can put pressure on your teeth and crack and destroy your teeth just because you do clenching and right.

So that's why the element of Botox is become somewhat of an integral part. I don't do the Botox myself. I send them to a plastic surgeon or a medical spa, but somebody who understands how to disable some of the jaw muscles to actually decrease the pressure that they're putting on their teeth. You were mentioning earlier, it's a lot easier for kids to be able to make changes. And what should be some things we should be aware of with children that, you know,

maybe tend to be mouth breathers, tend to look at their phone or tablet quite often, end up with kind of a forward head position? Like, what are some of the things you're seeing out of that group? And then what are some things they could do to be healthier? Yeah. I think the forward head position, the easiest things that you're seeing is that eye issues, headaches, neck aches is the superficial problems that you're seeing with this group of people. And also one thing that I want to really keep in mind is that sometimes orthodontists are causing sleep apnea. So I want to explain that

a little bit for a second, because we talked about braces. We talked about how people go and they get braces as a result of crowding. So there was a school of thought. Every time there was a crowding, you would take four teeth out, four of their bicuspid teeth out and taking these teeth out and then straightening out the teeth, have enough room to straighten out the teeth.

They wouldn't spend the time in terms of expansion of the jaw. They would rather take teeth out and get rid of the crowding that way. So what happens when you take teeth out and you straighten out the teeth? You are automatically making the jaw, I mean, you're making the arch narrower. Because now you have one less teeth and then you close all the spaces. The arch is narrower.

and then you close all the spaces. The arch is narrower. This narrowness of the arch, again, is what we're worried about in terms of tongue space in the future. So we have to be very cognizant. In the past 15 years, there is a lot of work toward not taking teeth out while doing orthodontic treatment

and finding ways to expand the arch instead of taking teeth out while doing orthodontic treatment and finding ways to expand the arch instead of taking teeth out and getting rid of the crowding. So some of these things can be man-made as well. So it's done through different procedures, which you later on find out that's causing a lot of problems in the future. I was curious too, as a kid, one of my really bad habits was I just didn't floss. I'd floss once a month, right? Now, you talked about gum disease quite a bit earlier and how dangerous that can be, but I'm assuming, and I could be totally wrong because I know nothing about this, but as far as flossing

is concerned, is that what leads to gum disease and how really important is that? And are things like the water floss thing, I think Andrew has one, I have one too, are these things effective in terms of taking care of in between your teeth or is there something else that we should be doing? of taking care of in between your teeth or is there something else that we should be doing yeah so definitely flossing is a factor because where you're losing bone in between your teeth that means that there is a plaque which is plaque is the is a bacteria soft bacterial coverings films when it hardens it becomes calculus which is a hardened plaque. And in between your teeth, that hardened plaque or calculus starts to produce toxins, which are like acids, which melt away the bone and the gum, which is the gum disease. So removal of that plaque. So without brushing your teeth,

you cannot really remove the plaque off of the surfaces of your teeth. So sometimes people ask me, how important is toothpaste? I said brushing is more important than toothpaste. Because the brush itself is mechanically removing the plaque. What we need is removal of the plaque. the plaque. What we need is removal of the plaque. Now, the toothpaste becomes important in terms of freshening of the breath and some of the toothpaste that may have fluoride, and there's controversial things about fluoride, but the toothpaste is doing something else. It's not really removing the plaque. So number one. Number two, when you're flossing, you're removing the

plaque in between your teeth. So any type of removal of plaque that doesn't turn into calculus, and then also getting regular cleanings, because even the best flossers and people that use toothbrush, their angles of the teeth, that's very difficult to get to. You need regular cleanings to remove that tartar buildup to make sure that the gums stay healthy. So absolutely, flossing is important. Absolutely, brushing is important. But one other thing I tell you is as important that people are not paying attention to is mouthwash. So your teeth

only covers 24% of your mouth. Mouthwash goes and handles all of the tissue and all of the plaque and bacteria and other things that are inside your mouth that could lead to inflammation. So mouthwash can also penetrate many areas. It's much more harder to get to. So going back to water flossers, water pick, and all of these things, are they effective? They are. Are they as effective as flossing? They're not. But doing the water floss is better than not doing anything at all. I like what you're saying there, because I think when we floss, we're kind of thinking like, oh, I got something stuck. Something was stuck stuck between my teeth and you can visibly see that you got something out of there. But what you're saying is like a lot of times these things probably aren't all that visible, but we should be doing them anyway.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. With a lot of your study, especially more recently, and having an understanding of the microbiome, you know, we hear so much about the gut microbiome, but maybe people haven't been paying as much attention to what's going on in the mouth. And with your particular mouthwash, thank you for sending that, by the way, yours doesn't destroy the microbiome in the mouth, which a lot of other mouthwashes are probably doing because of the alcohol and the dyes and stuff like that you pointed out earlier. So what are some of the

discoveries that you've found in switching people over to these things? Because I think there's probably people listening that are like, yeah, I use mouthwash all the time. I don't have any problems, but maybe they do have some underlying issues that they're just not even aware of. Yeah, good. Thank you so much for asking that question. That's such an important question. And that has been, I think, my passion over the past 20 years with the co-founder of my company called Luminal Essentials.

My co-founder, Dr. Nozari, was the chairman of the perio department, which is the gum surgery department at the University of Southern California, USC, for 17 years. And he has done extensive research in terms of the world of gum disease, what causes gum disease, what are the easier ways of preventing gum disease. And I want to talk about a particular study, which is a historical study. It was a 10-year study that he did with French scientists on homeless kids in Manila. that there is a certain amount of people that have a particular type of gum disease that bone around the four upper front teeth, four lower front teeth, and the molars starts to go away at a very young age. And it was mainly due to a particular type of bacteria called AA bacteria.

Now, AA bacteria infects about one and a half billion people in the world. It's prevalent in the Middle East. It's prevalent in South America and in China, in Philippines, and a lot. And now it's also growing in the U.S. because we have such a huge immigrant population. The AA bacteria, its characteristic was it was affecting particular bone around particular teeth. What he did with these homeless kids that didn't really have access to toothpaste, mouthwash,

floss, any of these type of things. He asked them to rub sea salt on their gum twice a day. And he followed these kids for 10 years. And the result of this study was that even though

the AA bacteria was still alive, the gum disease stopped. This is such a breakthrough of a huge magnitude. So we have to start thinking differently about bacteria, viruses, and everything else. And I'm getting to what viruses a little bit later. So what we found out is that, so if you ask me, what keeps me awake at night? What keeps me going every day?

Is my whole idea is, as humans, we had no access to medicine, to anything. We were in the dark age, in the caves. And we survived. What made us survive? What kept us going for thousands of years until we got to where we are? What was it within our body that was protecting us? And what all the research that I have done came to a particular area, which is the microbiome. And why microbiome?

Because if you look at it, first of all, what is a microbiome? It's a serious group of community of microorganisms that are in or around your body that are protecting you against disease and infection. What's in it? There's good bacteria, bad bacteria, viruses, fungus. Everything is in it. But this microbiome, how it is protecting you is it contains more than 98% of good bacteria. There is such a thing as good bacteria. We cannot be afraid of every single bacteria. There is such a thing as good bacteria. We cannot be afraid of every single bacteria. We wouldn't actually live without bacteria. And how I can prove that is that your

body has 100 trillion bacterias in it to 10 trillion human cells. The ratio of bacteria to human cells is 10 to 1. Some people argue it's 5 to 1, some people argue it's 7 to 1, and some say it's 10 to 1. So you have more bacteria than anything else. So if I were to tell you, you are made out of bacteria. You are actually made out of bacteria. You, meaning every single human being on earth, depends on bacteria to stay alive. Digestion is based on bacteria. Vitamin K production is based on bacteria. Serotonin, dopamine, which are the mood transmitters, neurotransmitters, production and stimulation of it is dependent on bacteria. We depend on the microbiome for our immunity. For our immunity.

The amount of viral load that happens on our skin or in our mouth is regulated by the microbiome. So where is the microbiome? The microbiome is in your eyes. So how is the microbiome? The microbiome is in your eyes. So how is it protecting you? Mark, I want to ask you, when was the last time you actually had eye infection? Many, many years. Yeah. So we're walking through polluted air every single day. Why don't we get more eye infection? How is that possible? We travel, we do this, we do that, we don't get eye infection. The primary reason there's a microbiome layer on your eyes is protecting your eyes. When was the last time you got an ear

infection? The microbiome is inside your ears. You're taking showers, you go in the pool, you go all sorts of places, yet you don't get ear infection because the microbiome layer is inside your ears. You're taking showers, you go in the pool, you go all sorts of places, yet you don't get ear infection because the microbiome layer is inside your ear. Why don't we get more respiratory problems? Because we're breathing such polluted air. We go into many areas where there is toxins. Why aren't we getting more respiratory infections? It's because of the microbiome that's coating inside our nose. And then the same thing on our skin. The skin is full of pores. There's holes all over your body.

And these pores can be seen rather easily under the microscope. How is it all of these bacteria and all of these harmful things that we're constantly touching is not going inside of our body? It's because of the microbiome. That's what's protecting us. It's the same thing in our gut and also is the same thing in our mouth. So we put so many things that are full of toxins and contamination in our mouth, yet we don't get sick. What is protecting us is the microbiome inside our mouth that's protecting us against these things. So the role of the microbiome is protection. And it is sort of your second immune system. And how it is as your second immune system is very easy. First of all, because we have the microbiome is sort of all over the mouth, all over the skin, just the mere presence, the amount of real estate it takes,

it doesn't allow other bacteria or viruses to get to stick and grow because there's no real estate. So imagine in Manhattan, when it's full of buildings, finding something to build is very, very difficult. But imagine now you go, you destroy Manhattan and all of it is flat. Now you can build anything you want. What do you do when you use antiseptic mouthwash? You destroy the entirety of microbe. When they say it kills 99.9% of the germs, it's talking about the microbiome. It's not talking about something that's harmful in your mouth. There is some things that are harmful, but it's less than 2%. The 98% that are healthy,

harmful, but it's less than 2%. The 98% that are healthy that are getting killed every single day with antiseptic mouthwashes, toothpaste, all sorts of things. Even when you're eating things that have pesticide, pesticide is an antimicrobial. It kills microbiome, right? Smoking, same thing. Alcohol, drinking alcohol kills, is constantly killing. Your microbiome is under attack 24 hours a day. So one of the first things I always ask is that how many of you guys take antibiotics every day? Every single day of your life. Nobody raises up their hand. They said, no. Every single day you're taking antibiotics through the food you eat because it has pesticides, through the mouthwash, toothpaste, all sorts of things, through the alcohol you're drinking.

These are all killing bacteria constantly. Your body is under attack. Now you go to washing machine detergents, your dishwasher liquids, the cleaning products in your house, all antimicrobial everywhere, everywhere. We are under attack. And some of these issues of autoimmune disease, all of these things that are coming up more and more and more, if you start to look at it, as we started to kill bacteria, where in the 1950s, we came up with antibiotics.

In 1960s and 70s, the prevalence of antibiotics started to grow. We see infectious disease going down. At the same time, autoimmune disease started to go up. So the protection started to go away. So our belief is not to kill any bacteria. So this is, I want to explain this to you. This goes against 70 years of dental research. 70 years of dental research says, kill the bacteria because the bacteria causes gum disease, causes cavity, causes bad breath. If you want to get rid of gum disease, if you want to get rid of cavities and you want to get rid of bad breath, kill the bacteria.

Clearly, this doesn't work because we still have cavities, we still have bad breath, and we still have gum disease. Clearly, this does not work. And the other reason why I can tell you it doesn't work is that people think they have gum disease because now they're older. It's absolutely false. Gum disease is not age-related in any form or fashion. And how we know this is that in order for you to have gum disease, you have to have

inflammation first, which is gingivitis, inflammation. There's inflammation, then prolonged inflammation, it goes into the gum disease. We know gingivitis is reversible. Inflammation is reversible. So if the mouthwashes that are saying they're anti-inflammatory, they reduce inflammation and all these things, they were working well, what would happen? They would stop the inflammation. As a result, you wouldn't get gum disease. But the rate of gum disease is going through the roof. More and more people, even at a younger age, are getting gum disease. How are these products helping? The problem is the same problem as smoking, is the same problem as asbestos. The asbestos that was in the wall, people didn't know is causing some sort of a lung cancer. They

didn't know. It took them 30 years to find out. People that were smoking never knew that they couldn't correlate smoking to lung disease because there were many people that were not smokers and they were getting lung. It was only through secondhand smoke studies that they found the linkage. And it's the same thing I'm telling you, is that this research does not work because when you kill the bacteria, there is certain toxin within the walls of the bad bacteria that gets released and if you don't kill the bad bacteria there is certain toxins that are getting released as well so what do you have to do if you kill them you have a problem if you don't kill them you have a problem so the formula that we came up with is we don't kill anybody, number one, but we neutralize the harmful toxins of the bad bacteria.

It's the toxins we're after, not the bacteria. If you go after toxins, then the damage will not be there. And that is the idea. The idea is we need products that are non-toxic. is we need products that are non-toxic. And a lot of people get very upset when I say this because they believe Colgate and Procter & Gamble and all of these companies are putting out non-toxic mouthwashes.

It's absolutely not true. In dental school, we refer to them as chemotherapeutic agents. They're chemotherapeutic agents. What does that mean? They kill the bad and the good, but they kill more of the bad than the good. That's all it is. Nobody's arguing these points. And how they can get away with it is that in the short term, they can prove killing and this toxicity does not harm you. As long as short-term studies show there's no harm,

you can go on producing these products and putting it out there. But these colorings, these artificial colorings, this alcohol, all of these things, there's some sort of toxicity. These chemicals that are in there, there's absolutely some toxicity there. So we can produce a non-toxic product. But here's another issue. All the natural products that were made in the dental field, they failed the public. They may be safer for you, but they were not effective. So I tell people, you want a safe product? You want a safe mouthwash?

Rinse your mouth with organic apple juice. It's safe. But what does it do? Nothing. Most, if not all of these natural products don't do anything. There's no effectiveness. There's no clinical studies. 54 clinical studies and we have two more ongoing studies one the one that we right now we finally got got the approval to do is the effect of damaging the oral microbiome and the gut microbiome nobody has studied any of these psychokines nobody's caring to see these linkages but that is exactly what we are into by science proving that the old science has failed us. And it wasn't anybody's fault because they identified what was causing the disease and they said, let's kill it. But that doesn't work. It clearly does not work.

So all of the products that we have from the mouthwash, toothpaste, whitening strips, and everything else is certified non-toxic and is also microbiome safe. We don't kill any bacteria. And we're proud of it. Right? That's the concept. Now, because we don't kill the microbiome, guess what? We allow the oral microbiome to produce nitric oxide, which for athletes, for people in the fitness world, is so important. More oxygen to all organs of the body, more heart health.

That's exactly what we want. that we have zero impact on the microbiome, and we were able to let the nitrates be converting into nitric oxide by use of our mouthwash. Oh, that's sick. Body is connected. The body is connected. Power Project Familia, when's the last time that you got checked under the hood? I'm not talking about under the hood. I'm talking about your hormones, like your prolactin, your testosterone,

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But a doctor will be able to help you figure out exactly what you need to do. So, Andrew, can you tell the people how to get this? Absolutely. So you guys need to head over to MerrickHealth.com. That's M-A-R-R-E-K-Health.com. And when it comes time to actually purchase these panels, these labs, you know, after maybe you're going to receive some treatment, when it comes time to actually paying for the labs, use promo code PowerProject15, and that's going to save you 15% off all of your labs. Again, that's at MerrickHealth.com. Links to them down in the description, as well as the podcast show notes. Head over there right now. We need more. We cannot ignore it. We need more dentists like yourself, because the fact that you started to study the whole body is great, and it's fantastic because I think that a lot of people would be shocked to understand the amount of dental care that you would have to have if you had a really good diet could be significantly less than how much you have to really worry about your teeth, how much dental coverage you even need.

I mean, it could be minimized quite a bit. Do you kind of agree with that? I mean, we do need to, like, clean our teeth, and I think even the cavemen were picking at their teeth with different things, you know, for many years. But it's the advent of sugar and a lot of these highly processed foods and us overeating and being unhealthy. Bad breath isn't necessarily

just because you're not brushing your teeth or using mouthwash. It's probably coming from you not being a healthy person or there's something wrong, there's something going on. I even noticed with myself, if I fast for a really long time, that my breath will start to get bad. It's probably a sign,

it's probably a signal from your body like, hey, this is probably not a great idea to go this long without eating. And so it's kind of sending off almost like a signal or whatever's going on in your body. But I think it's great that you have researched not just, you know, the teeth or not just how to help somebody have a immaculate smile type thing. Right. And it's interesting when you're talking about, so the keto diets and then also intermittent fasting and all of these things, one of the things that you always have to be worried about is that one of the products that gets produced is the acetone, acetone ketones that are being produced due to the keto diet that causes bad breath. So there are some of these aspects of things that you are doing that is showing that you need some

level of carbohydrates. It's not no carbohydrates. The body runs on carbohydrates. So keto diets are very, very effective for people that want to lose weight pretty quickly, but it cannot be a lifelong type of a habit. You have to balance the diet with proper nutrients, but not processed sugar. It's not processed. Carbohydrate is not processed sugar. There's a lot of things that there's carbohydrates that you need for energy and everything else, but it's not processed food. So it's a distinction between these types of ideas that makes it. So I know Ron Penna with the legendary foods and everything else. You don't need to make pop tarts with so much sugar.

There are ways that you can handle some of these things. So there are ways and future thinking people with visions are always thinking of better ways to coming out with products and ideas that's relying on your body to process it better and not have it processed in a lab or in a at the factory that would actually disrupt your body in some way. And that's what we need. We need to think about the body as a whole body. We can't think about,

I'm gonna do this for my gut health, but ignore something else. I'm gonna do this to lose weight and then forget about that. I'm gonna do this for my mouth and then forget about this other thing. They're all interrelated. We are whole. As a whole, we have to look at it as a whole body.

Dr. Medea, I don't know if I missed it, but I may have missed some of it, but I was curious as far as the mouthwash, antiseptic mouthwash and the stuff that people are using to destroy the whole microbiome in the mouth, what are the long-term negative effects that people should really understand? This is probably why I don't want to use this for too long. What are the long-term negative effects of using that over time? Yeah, so one of the easy things, because microbiome has something to do with immunity, right?

So there are people that are telling me, listen, I have never had a cavity in my life and I'd be on these products immunity, right? So there are people that are telling me, listen, I have never had a cavity in my life and I'd be on these products forever, right? Even if they were not on those products, they will not have a cavity. And I'm going to tell you why. Because their diet, they don't consume processed sugar, number one.

Or the type of bacteria that is in their mouth, they don't have very much of a cavity that is in their mouth. They don't have very much of a cavity-causing bacteria in their mouth. So they wouldn't have had it anyway without any of these products, no matter what. So we're not looking at the outliers. The entirety of the world of science is a bell curve. And the bell curve is forget about this 10%, forget about that 10%. Where is the 80% of the people? And what is it that we're looking for? So one of the things that we're continually

studying is the viral load. Now, why is that also important in the context of coronavirus? Viral load. So what we are saying is that your microbiome, it fights disease and infection. One way was by taking up the real estate so that the viruses and the bacteria cannot stick and grow. The second thing is that within the microbiome, there is low numbers of bad bacteria and viruses, is low that it cannot cause disease, but it lets our immune system get familiar with them and create antibodies to fight them without you ever becoming sick. So one of the things that we are looking at

is that why certain people get sick easier is again, looking at this viral load that lives within the mouth and it allows viruses and other bacterias to come in. So people are constantly getting sick is an issue as to what is causing these type of things. Is there a microbiome that's being destroyed all the time? What is the toxins that are getting in? Why are the viruses coming into this body and able to evade and invade it so easily? So this is an area. You have inflammation in your gums, even though you have good oral hygiene habits. Why? That is another byproduct of constantly killing this bacteria. The saliva is not 100% clear. Why? Because in a healthy mouth with a healthy microbiome, the saliva is clear, clear, clear. There's nothing going on. We've done spit tests with people and they look at this, it has a darkish or foggish look to it than clear saliva. Other things, the tissue looks really clean. The tongue has no whitish

spots on it. Where is the whitish spot coming from? Killing the microbiome also creates fungal and also sticking of those type of things within the tongue. So there's a lot of things within the mouth that you can see when you have healthy microbiome. So we know that some of the toothpastes out there and some of the mouthwashes aren't great. What are some other things we should be keeping our eyes on? What about, I don't know, gum or artificial sweeteners? Yeah. Things that have artificial sweeteners or even maybe not artificial sweeteners, maybe even like stevia, monk fruit, like any of these kinds of things. You know, I'm not against artificial sweetness. I would tell you that there's a

particular sweetener that we have in our party, which is xylitol. So I want to talk about xylitol for a second. Xylitol is the only sugar substitute or alcohol sugar that we have found that the cavity-causing bacteria cannot process. They cannot process it. As a result, they starve and they cannot grow. So in Denmark, in Netherlands, when there is a pregnant women, they're asked to take xylitol pills in order to decrease the chances of them getting cavities with their teeth. Now there is, there are people saying, oh my God, xylitol, xylitol is horrible. What they're talking about xylitol being horrible is when you consume more than 20 milligrams of xylitol per day, you get diarrhea, you get stomachache. So you always have to understand

anything that's good, there's also, there's a bad side to it. Fire warms you up, burns down your house. Water keeps you hydrated. You can drown in it. So it doesn't mean that there's no product singly that's good all the way around. So again, not to consume it too much, but this is the one that we are using. So xylitol, I'm very much for. Other ones, I think long-term studies are needed. So when they came out with saccharin, it took years of finding out what was wrong with saccharin, right?

All of these things, equal, this, that. So some of these sugars that are coming out, it seems that's good, but only long-term studies will truly show you. So in the world of toxicity, in the world of experiments with these type of things, we have quite a bit of short-term studies that shows no harm. But as we are understanding that the 30-year mark, 20-year mark, 10 10 year mark is truly what shows what's happening with some of these products long-term and their effects. So you always have to be mindful of that. I want to know too, because Lumino, is it Lumineux or? Lumineux is the actual French pronunciation. So Lumenau, that's what people mainly know in US, but Lumenu is the actual French pronunciation.

Very well done. Lumenu, that's what I'm going to say. So thank you. But I was actually, I wanted to know, as far as like teeth whitening, because every time I get my teeth cleaned, which I need to go get that done again pretty soon. You know, the doctor's like, oh, you got some coffee stains and, you know, whatever.

Stop drinking coffee. I'm like, no. Right. What can we do if we love coffee or if we love green tea? Because sometimes these things can cause some people end up getting yellowing of the teeth. Like I think Lumenu has whitening strips and they have a whitening thing you can put in your mouth. And I tried that out. I was like, whoa, this is cool.

But how does, what is different from the ones within that product line versus like the crest whitening strips and the other stuff that you see on the market? Great, that's a great question. So the third revolutionary aspect of the company is the widening products. And the widening products, the simplest thing I can tell you is peroxide-free. Peroxide-free. And what does that mean? Peroxide-free means that there is no tooth sensitivity and no gum irritation. that there is no tooth sensitivity and no gum irritation. So from the FDA aspect and American Dental Association aspect,

peroxide is the only known sort of ingredient that you can use to whiten your teeth. That is what is approved by them. But the problem is when you use peroxide to some degree, you're etching your teeth. You are removing layers of enamel. If you use it too much, what you're going to do is that you're going to cause a lot of enamel damage. And also you're going to have sensitive teeth and sensitive gum. So I've been a dentist now 36 years, and I'm a cosmetic dentist in Beverly Hills. So imagine everybody wants white teeth. So 15 years ago, 20 years ago, when we would do whitening, it would last a whole year. And we would not ever be worried about it.

A year. Today, when we use any type of whitening in our office, it may be last a month or two. Why? What's changed? And why is there so much sensitivity? So in a book that I wrote, I've written three books, but in a book, the second book that I wrote is called The Hidden Epidemics. One of the things that I talked about is teeth sensitivity. Why did teeth sensitivity shut off through the roof? And also, how did Sensodyne became the number two best-selling toothpaste in the United States? And it all has to do with Starbucks, actually. So once Starbucks started to become popular and there were Starbucks around every corner, the consumption of coffee also went through the roof.

And then Starbucks was the beginning. But then certain healthy habits started to come in. Green tea. Green tea actually makes your teeth gray. But green tea is excellent for you and it's a very healthy habit. But people started to drink green tea. And then there were a study out of Bordeaux, interestingly enough, that showed that red wine is good for your heart. But the consumption of red wine went up as a result.

And you can look at this chart. It's really staggering rise. And then we got even further into healthy habits. Juicing became very important. And then the green juices and the red juices. And then we got into the antioxidant kick and we got into blueberries and blackberries. So all of these things that we're

talking about right now are all because staining and we are being inundated by it and also we we drink them we use them it's also something that's healthy but what it did was the tremendous amount of staining liquids and also foods soy soy sauce, barbecue sauce, tomato sauce, everything has some sort of a staining. So it became to such a point that even when you would do whitening, it wouldn't last. So people started to do more and more whitening. And then they used whitening toothpaste that had peroxide. They did whitening mouthwash that had peroxide. They did whitening strips that had peroxide. And then they would do whitening at the dental office that has peroxide.

So all around, there's peroxide that's happening. So it gets to a point that the teeth are always sensitive. Now, if you do clenching and grinding, your teeth can also be sensitive. But 95% has nothing to do with that. It's mainly because of these types of activities that are going on. So I started to look as to what do we do? Because there are certain patients that couldn't even get any more whitening because their teeth were too sensitive. So I started to look at other ways of whitening their teeth because I believe is what can be used on a daily basis. So the whitening products that are on the market

in terms of toothpaste and mouthwash is not for daily use, even though it's a toothpaste and people are using it. But truly it isn't because it will cause enamel damage or sensitivity over time. So that cannot be a daily use product. So I started to look at and research ingredients that could cause whitening, but that can be used on a daily basis. And what I came up with is a coconut oil, sage oil, lemon

peel oil combination with the dead sea salt we were using. And we were able to create a line of whitening products that use no peroxide. And we have head-to-head studies that we whiten as well as press 3D whitening strips without the peroxide. And so the mouthwash and toothpaste, because we drink coffee and eat all of these things, we need something that we're using on a daily basis to keeping the stains off of our teeth. So the toothpaste and the mouthwash was important. And also the whitening strips that you would use once in a while

that would cover your mouth. And then the contact between these products against the teeth was another way that you could whiten the teeth within half hour. And we do have no kind of no sensitivity even i have had patients that have used our whitening strips maybe 60 days in a row no and people that were sensitive and they couldn't use whitening and they had no sensitivity our latest product is a stained repellent whitening pen and i think this is the most futuristic idea and product that I've ever come up with. And the reason for it is this. I would never tell you to stop drinking coffee

because if you drink, so there are people that they try to not to drink coffee and they're dragging all day, they're tired, they get headaches, they don't function as well, right? So I'm not there to tell you, and I think there's a lot of benefits to coffee anyway. Personally, I do believe that. It's an antioxidant. So not drinking coffee is not the way to go. What do we do to combat the staining effects of coffee? I can't tell you not to drink green tea.

Green tea is great, but how do we combat it? So what it is that you get the stain repellent, which is a dual action, stain repellent and white nick. If you want a stain repellent, you put two coats of the stain repellent on your teeth. It's a brush on a pen. You wait 60 seconds and you can drink coffee, tea, red wine, green juice, anything for two to four hours without any staining of your teeth. We've done, again, clinical studies that has proven this. And we soak teeth into the coffee, extract the teeth into coffee. We put these coats on it and we've seen it. These are university, independent university-based studies that are on our website that shows that we have this stain repellent activity. Now, if you want it as a whitening pen, you would do the same thing.

You put two coats on your teeth and you wait for, you don't eat or drink for 30 minutes. You have the whitening effect. Best way to use the product, I think, is you put a pen next to your coffee machine. use the product, I think is you put a pen next to your coffee machine. And then with most of my women friends, put one in your purse. Wherever you go, you want to drink red wine, no problem, put it on. Before you drink coffee, you put it on. But if you want the whitening effect before you go to sleep, after you floss, brush, and you use a mouthwash, you put the whitening pen on your teeth and you go to sleep. It's certified non-toxic, doesn't do anything, your teeth are white. Question I've had in my head forever, which I don't think you'll have an answer for, but

I'm going to say it anyway. Try me, Mike. It's pretty ludicrous, but why do you think we lose our teeth at such an early age and how come we don't get like a third set of teeth to come in? Wouldn't that be super convenient? Then we could eat whatever we want and not have to worry about it as much. I guess it might put you out of a job though too, right? No, no, no. I want to ask you, why do you think that we actually lose our teeth in a young age?

Why should we use our teeth at a young age? What would be the reason in court? Why should we use our teeth at a young age? What would be the reason in court? So the only reason you could lose your teeth is that there's severe cavity that you cannot save it. That means that you had not gone to a dentist. You didn't catch the cavity soon enough, right? But the main reason has been all along is gum disease. You don't have the bone.

The teeth become loose. You lose it. These are the two main reasons. No, I just mean like when you lose your teeth when you're a kid is what I'm referring. I'm more referring to that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So losing those teeth is because the jaw has not developed enough to have the correct size teeth in your mouth. So the jaw has to develop for the correct size teeth to come in. That's the reason.

It's mainly the reason is the smallness of the jaw. Can we grow teeth? Are we there yet? No, we're not there yet. And there's a lot of thinking that we're going to do that through stem cells and everything else. Some of those ideas are not as exciting as once we thought. So we haven't really made that much breakthrough in that area. There's more breakthrough in growing a liver, growing a heart, growing an organ than has been in growing a teeth.

But it is definitely possible. It's definitely possible. Very cool. In your book, you have a lot of recommendations for a particular diet. You even have like recipes and things like that. What style of diet do you follow and what do you do for exercise?

Okay, so particularly, so the book is called the toxic overload and we talk about the oral health, whole body health. That's the whole connection. This is my third book. thing that I started to talk about within the book is that how do we recover our microbiome? This is the whole thing that I'm after. I'm not one to believe that you have to be 100% plant-based or 100% carnivore

to actually be healthy. Because I again go back to what I have seen historically. There are regions in the world historically where they were not plant-based and they had great health. And there are parts of the world where they were plant-based and they were very healthy. So being healthy doesn't mean you're only plant-based or meat-based. That's not the thing.

What you're consuming is very important. So the pesticides is what's destroying it. Processed food is what's destroying it. Before, we didn't have to worry about organic meat because meat was organic. It didn't have hormones. It didn't have antibiotics. So these are the kind of things that we have to get away from to actually preserve the microbiome. So grass-fed meat, I'm all for. I don't particularly like red meat. I've never liked red meat, even as a kid. I eat a lot of chicken, a lot of fish. These are the things I like. I like vegetables and salads and everything. a lot of fish. These are the things I like. I like vegetables and salads and everything. I'm not a plant-based person. I'm not a vegetarian. In terms of exercise, I hate the gym. I hate exercising in the gym because I'm a very competitive person. I love competitive sports.

All my life, I was on a basketball team, volleyball team, soccer team. So what I do, I play tennis twice a week, each time two hours. And it's not for my health, it's for competition. And then I do work out with a trainer twice a week anyway, because I was losing my flexibility. So again, as a scientist, you're looking as to not what is hard or not hard, what will produce the results you're looking as to not what is hard or not hard what will produce the results you're looking for and what i was looking for i saw because over time your muscles are less flexible your your ligaments are less flexible what do i have to do and the stretching exercises and working with a

trainer to get my muscles more comfortable in terms of flexibility was a key in terms of a long, healthy life. Long, healthy life. So one of the things I can tell you, modern science is not the primary factor to longevity. That's not what's causing longevity what causes longevity is two things two factors historically clean water hygiene is the two factors to longevity modern science has come and has added things to it but if you want to increase longevity these are the two main factors you have to be after and in every african even villages, but some of them I have helped in terms of bringing in hygiene into, what we have to do is get clean water into the village and teach them hygiene. And we've seen that their life expectancy, all of it hasn't changed.

So we want to stay with the basics. And we used to be people that used to walk a lot. So historically, we walked a lot. We went hunting. That's how we stayed healthy. We don't walk. We're not active. Lack of activity alone makes you gain weight. Gaining weight is the primary cause behind diabetes, heart disease, all sorts of other things that are happening.

So lack of activities. You've got to exercise. We're saying exercise, whereas before people weren't thinking about exercising. They were walking miles and miles and miles trying to get some food to bring to the table. So these are the concepts that has been there throughout history that we have to be thinking with at all times. So on this show, like we, we really like to focus on just habits and that's the biggest deal. So I want to know with everything that we've talked about, what are the daily habits that an individual needs to have as far as taking care of their teeth?

And when I say habits, I mean like how many times they should they use their mouthwash, brush their teeth, floss, maybe even teeth whitening. What would you say are the habits that they should have so that they don't need to have as many dental visits as most people do end up having? Yeah. So, so my belief is that get rid of anything that antiseptics, antibacterial, anything, anything. This doesn't mean in your mouth. I'm against hand sanitizers that you're using inside your home. 100%. I'm 100% against it.

Hand sanitizers are good when you do not have access to soap and water. If you have access to soap and water and you use hand sanitizers, you destroy the microbiome on your hand. Okay? So we are, due to COVID, we will see other issues in the future because we're using so much hand sanitizers constantly. Okay? Wipe down the counters of your kitchen with soap and water. That's what you need. Don't use all of these antibacterial things on the surfaces of your skin.

You touch that surface, you destroy the microbiome, you touch your mouth, you destroy the microbiome in your, you touch your eyes, you destroy the microbiome in your eyes. So I am against antimicrobial products only when you have access to water and soap. If you don't, you definitely need it. In hospital settings, you definitely need it. So again, the sanity comes from differentiation and understanding why it's okay in one place, not okay in the other place. So go look at every cleaning product in your house. Get rid of anything that's antimicrobial.

Washing machine detergents, dishwasher detergents. Get rid of it. We're destroying our microbiome in a hundred ways. We can possibly get rid of our microbiome through use of these products. The other one is let's get, in terms of food, have things that are no pesticides. So again, the organic food is not what I'm after. It's food that doesn't have pesticides because it can be organic, but there's issues with it as well.

But having products without antibiotics, without hormones, without pesticides is a key. And you can implement these things one thing at a time. You can just focus on finding the right detergent. One of the places that I would tell you that really goes into these things is Made Safe. So Made Safe, oh my God, these people are fanatics. What we had to go through to get even a Made Safe seal, it was unbelievable because we had to also prove

we do not harm the marine life. Marine life. So guess what? The antiseptic mouthwash you use, not only destroys your microbiome, it goes down the drain, it goes into the ocean and destroys things in the ocean as well. So it is constantly looking at this whole thing as a whole circular manner. But in terms of your mouth, don't use anything that's antiseptic. Proper use toothpaste with your brushing, but use a soft toothbrush. It's more important than the toothpaste.

And brush properly. So I also, we made a toothbrush. And people say, why did you make a toothbrush? It's because I saw so much damage from wrong toothbrush, wrong bristles, and improper use of electric toothbrushes. Because there's 30% more damage using an electric toothbrush improperly on your gums than mechanical toothbrushes. You have to let the toothbrush do the work. If you don't use it properly, you're going to destroy your gum. So the toothbrush that I use, the bristles are out of castor oil. They're very, very flexible. They're soft, but yet they clean your teeth and the surface is flat. So one of the things that I've seen in the world of toothbrushes is a Nike phenomenon.

Nike phenomenon is blue, red, purple, all the brushes going in all sorts of different directions. No, the research shows flat surface toothbrush cleans your teeth better than any other of these angulations and these colors and thicknesses. This is not what research has shown. This is a marketing ploy. This is a sort of a gimmick. So the flat surface toothbrushes, again, using a flexible bristles key to not destroying your gums

and getting rid of. So people think if they don't scrub their teeth, they have not cleaned their teeth. The scrubbing will result in damage to your gums. So using a proper toothbrush, brushing at least twice a day,

particularly in the morning, particularly in the morning, particularly in the morning after, and particularly also people that don't brush their teeth before they go to sleep, all sorts of food and bacteria starts to grow very rapidly. During COVID, I have seen people, they're drinking alcohol more and they're not brushing their teeth before they go to sleep. Their rate of cavities in young people has really gone up, where these people never had cavities. I see that in my practice.

And the one thing I ask them, do you brush your teeth before you go to sleep? I was at home, I was drinking, I forgot, I fell asleep, I passed out, this, that, and everything else. But now I see cavities. So cavity, brushing your teeth right before you go to sleep. So that many hours, the bacteria cannot grow in your mouth. And then the other things I can tell you is mouthwash twice a day is key, morning and night. And then also finding out if you do have dry mouth, because dry mouth alone can destroy all your teeth. It can cause cavities and it's destroying your teeth. And you tell me you have good oral hygiene habits

and you don't consume sugar, but yet you get cavities all the time. Dry mouth could be a culprit. Awesome, doctor. Thank you so much for your the time. Dry mouth could be a culprit. Awesome, doctor. Thank you so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. Where can people find you? Where can they find your books and your products?

Okay, so my products is lumino.com. I'm sorry, oralcentrals.com. Lumino is the product line. We're on Amazon. We're in Walgreens. We're at Rite Aid. We're in Whole Foods, Sprouts, a lot of things. So the store located on our website, oralessentials.com would be the best.

The books are also on Amazon. The one, The Toxic Overload, which is the hidden epidemics, showing all the different things that are going on within society, such as dry mouth and sensitivity, where it came from and what it's doing to the population is very important. And again, store located would be the best where they can purchase it at a retail level. I have one quick last question. Dr. Madai, you mentioned using electric toothbrushes wrong. I have one quick last question. Dr. Madai, you mentioned using electric toothbrushes wrong. If we do use an electric toothbrush, is it just that we just need to make sure it doesn't touch our gums or is there something else? So you let the toothbrush do the work. You go tooth by tooth and it will do a great job. So the electric toothbrush is supposed to do the work. Okay.

Not you going back and forth. You're not mechanically using an electric toothbrush. Got it. If you use an electric toothbrush, there's an advantage over having an electric toothbrush over mechanical. If you use it wrong, it's 30% more damage. Got it. Thank you,

sir. Have a great rest of your day. Take care. You too. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Bye. See, I told you guys, you got to be careful what you're sticking in your mouth all the time.

But isn't, yeah, I'm going to stop there. Yeah. Because I want my mom to see this episode. Nice. So real quick for anyone that is interested. So it's oralessentials.com. And they kind of wanted to do something since we had Dr. Madahi on the podcast. So you guys can head over to oralessentials.com and use promo code power for 15% off your

order, which I thought was pretty freaking cool. Wow. And yeah, I'll link everything down in the description as well as podcast show notes and then probably link his books if you guys want to follow up there as well. It'd be cool if they could get some studies done on, you know, doing things like, you know, using phalium gum and mewing and different things that people are trying to do to help kind of correct certain things. But, yeah, as he pointed out, he wasn't really aware of, like, any studies that have been done.

But I still chew gum like that here and there and i find it pretty productive i just kind of also think why not like just i do it on my walks and uh it also helps you with uh fidgeting right it helps you burn more calories so why not want to keep moving i've heard things like uh i've looked at some that you know that josh aside stuff i heard that that can actually be pretty dangerous but the things like balium gum i i still i've used been using that for like two and a half three years i've seen it actually be pretty beneficial so it's not worth hurting to try it out i can't speak today yo that's okay i can't speak today but um this was a great episode this was a really cool episode because like first off mom because mom, because you're going to see this episode. Thank you.

Because I didn't have a cavity ever because she barely ever let me eat processed foods as much as I wanted to. And she'd beat your ass if you didn't brush your teeth. Exactly. And also she put me in sports. That's a big thing for kids. Because, you know, if kids aren't able to, if they don't do a lot of activity, they breathe through their mouth when they sleep. And as you mentioned, lack of saliva in the mouth can lead to cavities i didn't have that issue because played sports as a kid so get your kids in fitness get your kids moving and just having healthy habits in general really really important yeah i'm excited that i mean you know uh my wife stephanie had showed me

oralessentials.com before we even knew we were going to have him on. And I just didn't know what I was looking at. And then now after speaking to him, I just text her. I'm like, yeah, babe, good job. You found a really good product. So it's pretty cool to see that when they shipped out the kits to us. And she's like, oh, my God, that's the one that I was telling you about. Oh, that's right.

My memory sucks. So I'm excited to dive in. And then, you know, like what he was talking about, like the antiseptic and antimicrobial, that word. With my son, we were already trying to get rid of a lot of these products, like the chemicals and stuff out of the house. Like we use it's called the norwex they're just like i don't even know what they do but like they clean everything up and you don't need any like crazy chemicals and so yeah it's just cool like when you're kind of heading one direction and you have somebody who knows what the hell they're talking about and they're like yeah that's where you should be going and so it's you know it's just reassuring

you know it's cool it makes me feel good but then the, on the other side of it, now that we do know more about this shit, it also will make me like a, not a hypochondriac, but like overreacting to everything my son does now, you know, it's like the, the more, you know, the more you don't know or whatever, however that saying goes, but like the more that I know now, the more it's like, oh shit, like, oh, that's going to ruin your teeth or that's going to don't wash your hands wash your hands with that washer with you know like so there's a little bit of that that's kind of brewing in my head as well but i guess it's better to have that than not enough yes i think with your kids you just always uh you kind of pick your battles you know you'll see as as he moves along and you know as he keeps going uh what you'll want to put energy into and what

you'll just be like too fucking exhausted to really give a shit about yeah yeah i was i was like nervous to ask about like artificial sweeteners it doesn't even like that's a question i don't really want to know the answer to but in my head i'm thinking like well maybe it won't yeah maybe if i don't think it causes any kind of cavities but maybe it will cause some kind of microbiome issue or something and so i was like ah that that's just one of those battles i'll choose to ignore but maybe it will cause some kind of microbiome issue or something and so i was like ah that's just one of those battles i'll choose to ignore but no it was fine i'm glad he signed off on they are colored you know so there's dyes in them and there's other things in them it depends on how far you want how far you want to take all that shit you know

in the end you end up not being able to drink or eat anything yeah one thing i like that he said a lot is uh he just said you know put an effort towards something no matter how small the effort is i thought that was pretty pretty cool because he's like you know you have these things that you feel like you can't control, you can't do anything about. He was like, just do one, you know, just that doesn't matter how small the thing is for, you know, you changing your health or you changing your diet. Maybe it just starts with one meal. You know, maybe you have one meal every day that you can that you think is healthy and that's where you start. The other ones are still shitty. But that one kind of

small thing and just have that be repeatable if you do that over time maybe you can get into more of it and then maybe you end up being a fitness freak like some of us this episode is my science to start getting back into i floss every now and then but i am such a lazy bastard when it comes to flossing man like that's that's one of those habits i kind of need like a reward you know like when i floss like i'm saying like i don't really see anything so i'm always like i don't you don't even know why i bother doing it but i do it pretty often but i'm like i want to i want to see a big chunk of like steak on there or something like i want to feel like i got something out of there even though it's fucking disgusting but yeah my teeth are so fucked up that when i do floss i will see a lot of stuff coming out into the sink because I water floss every day.

I can't go a day without it. Yeah. When I do miss, I miss a day for travel or whatever. And then I do it the next day and it's just like, oh, my God, I can't believe that was in my teeth. Like, it freaks me the fuck out. I'm just like, oh, I hope I didn't have bad breath or whatever. But no, it I. Yeah.

Like I said, I can't go a day without water flossing you ever put on your butt uh no that's the bidet and i do that every day as well several times a day water floss in the butt i don't know just thought it would work floss you have a bidet new product yeah yeah it doesn't warm up like uh like yours but does it work good yeah the uh the pressure is have you tested it what what's which which brand is it the tushy uh no it's not tushy it um i got it in the middle of like all this shit going down last year so um i'll have to look it up it's from amazon it's so i know because there's no dryer so it's just water and then i'd have to sit there for a while to let it air dry but there has been oh so you have to wipe anyway yeah yeah no and then what

happens when you wipe so plenty of evidence there that shows it is very very effective oh okay yeah yeah so even though the, the tissue is going to be, I got kind of tense there. Sorry, I didn't know what you were going to say. I'm glad, I'm glad we built up the anticipation,

but no, like the, the, the toilet paper will get, you have to kind of use a thick, you know, amount cause you don't want to, it tears off and you don't want to just be playing with your,

with your butt. Uh, but yeah, I know. I know it's a good excuse. Another benefit of having a bidet. But yeah, that wet toilet paper will be really clean. Sometimes it's not,

and then I just do another little spritzer and clean it right out. Yeah, a spritzer. But I use it like a straight-up colonic, though. Did you have a spritzer but i use it like a straight up colonic though did you have a spritzer on your birthday okay i'm gonna tell uh uh-oh that's all the mouthwash story or yeah sure i don't even that would have been good for the dentist i didn't want him to hear it he'd be like these people are savages imagine the people that come on the show trying to share.

They're like, oh, yeah, I was on this podcast. And people are like, oh, my God. They're like, we listened to that podcast. And we recommend you remove yourself from any association with them. So after I got these Luminu products, actually, I've thrown away Listerine. But in the past, I've used Listerine as my main mouthwash. Now, if you guys use Listerine you know that when you put listerine in your mouth it's spicy it burns your mouth you can't hold it in your mouth for

very long you can't right so you spit it out right well um you know in my past relationship um i used listerine one day before going to bed and well you know before going to bed also you know good was gonna have some action so you know freshly clean mouth minty fresh spicy i'm like okay uh uh for and then but without realizing i didn't think that wow wait this spiciness you work on your you work on your vocal but i didn't realize that the spiciness was also going to transfer to said individual so after about 45 seconds it was like she was like wait what what what's going on why is this burning i'm like it's the listerine i didn't realize and the speed i just got up to have to shower and be like oh it burns it was like i was so sorry but at the same time i was like it's kind of funny at that point you definitely need a detachable shower head oh yeah oh yeah that was that was kind of funny learned never to use Listerine

it doesn't say anything about that on the bottle I feel like it should I feel like it really should it should have a picture with the Ghostbusters symbol through it you know don't don't do that but that was a you know like you know we think about um the the microbiome a lot and like anti uh microbial antiseptic the medication antibiotics right like they're not good for your gut like right overdoing that and you have good bacteria all over so listerine and all these other mouthwashes they're destroying that too. So it's, it's, this was a really eyeopening episode in terms of our dental health.

I'm excited, man. I used to think that like mouthwash wasn't working unless it burned the shit out of your mouth. Me too. And I remember in high school, I would like go home for lunch, brush my teeth. And then because we're idiots and this shows how smart I was, a friend of mine and I, we would do a shot of

not drink a shot, but we would take Listerine, and then we'd just start walking back to school and see who could hold it the longest. It gets to a certain point where it numbs everything and it doesn't hurt anymore. So then you're just like, oh, I give up, and you just spit it out. I've never let it get there before. That's some savagery. You't hurt anymore. So then you're just like, oh, I give up. And you just spit it out.

I've never let it get there before. That's some savagery. You guys were men. Well, you're competing against each other. No, we weren't. We're idiots. I just know I could never do that. That hurts too much. Were you able to salvage that moment or no?

No, I was done. So Listerine fucks up a lot of things yeah that was KO for the night take us out of here Andrew thank you everybody for checking out today's episode if you learned some cool stuff make sure you hit that like button and share this with somebody and Seema's going to share it with his

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You know, it's like, you're like, so, okay, I guess I'll just lay here. It doesn't look like it's going to happen, but maybe the girl's mind is already gone. Like she's already like moved on to like 17 other things that she she wants to do the next day there's yeah there's like no smooth way to start that conversation back up again though i know you ever seen uh like in public when couples are fighting oh i've seen sometimes i see that and i'm like man this guy just needs to shut up he's like fucking everything up like he should at least get some

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