Mark Bell's Power Project - Heal Smarter: Revolutionary Alternatives to Traditional Medicine - Wilma Wong || MBPP Ep. 1132

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

Traditional Medicine Failed Her – Discover These Revolutionary Alternatives!In episode 1132 of Mark Bell’s Power Project Podcast, hosts Mark Bell and Nsima Inyang sit down with health expert Wilma Wong to explore groundbreaking alternatives to traditional medicine. This powerful discussion reveals the limitations of conventional treatments and introduces innovative methods that promise a smarter, more effective way to heal.Wilma shares her journey of battling recurring urinary tract infections and the harsh effects of antibiotics that failed her. In her search for solutions, she discovered alternative therapies like chiropractic care, blood flow restriction training, mindfulness, and emerging technology-driven methods. These approaches helped her regain control of her health and move past the frustrations of traditional medicine.Throughout the episode, Mark, Nsima, and Wilma unpack lessons on improving recovery, reducing pain, and optimizing energy. From exploring tools like Katsu training to understanding the role of mindset and belief in healing, the conversation is filled with actionable steps to enhance your well-being. They discuss early detection of illnesses, integrating Eastern and Western medicine, and using innovative technologies like scalar wave therapy to get real results.Official Power Project Website: https://powerproject.liveJoin The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qNSubscribe to the Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUwSpecial perks for our listeners below!🥜 Protect Your Nuts With Organic Underwear 🥜➢https://nadsunder.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 15% off your order!🍆 Natural Sexual Performance Booster 🍆 ➢https://usejoymode.com/discount/POWERPROJECTUse code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!🚨 The Best Red Light Therapy Devices and Blue Blocking Glasses On The Market! 😎➢https://emr-tek.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!👟 BEST LOOKING AND FUNCTIONING BAREFOOT SHOES 🦶➢https://vivobarefoot.com/powerproject🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK Done! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel, and use code POWERPROJECT for 10% off any lab!Sleep Better and TAPE YOUR MOUTH (Comfortable Mouth Tape) 🤐 ➢ https://hostagetape.com/powerproject to receive a year supply of Hostage Tape and Nose Strips for less than $1 a night!🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained: ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast➢ https://www.PowerProject.live➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerprojectFOLLOW Mark Bell➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybellFollow Nsima InyangFollow Nsima Inyang ➢ Ropes and equipment : https://thestrongerhuman.store➢ Community & Courses: https://www.skool.com/thestrongerhuman➢ YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=enFollow Andrew Zaragoza➢ Podcast Courses and Free Guides: https://pursuepodcasting.com/iamandrewz➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz/➢ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamandrewz#PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject

What is it called again? Katsu, that sort of pumping motion to the body to get human growth hormone, testosterone, E-cells, just about everything, that nitric oxide, just... Honestly, this is the premier performance enhancement thing that you could do. What led you down this path? Why not try something that is out of the ordinary and people go, well, where's the science? I love science.

I think that people have made it into a religion. It's a methodology. It's not a religion. Is there anything practically that you can give to people in terms of being able to slowly get rid of pain. When you're grateful for what you have in this moment right now, whether or not you're healed or not, or whether you're in pain or not, that's when the magic really happens.

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So if you can leave us a review there and enjoy the rest of the show. It's pumping. It's still pumping. It'll pump and let go, pump and let go and then take a pause. Yeah. What is it called again?

Katsu. And that's some of the original like blood flow restriction training was done. Some of the product again? Katsu. And that's some of the original like blood flow restriction training was done. Some of the studies were done utilizing that. Almost all the studies were done using that. And I mean, I was just in Japan with Dr. Sato and what he said is the WHO, the World Health Organization has Eastern medicine as a category. They have Western medicine as a category and they have Katsu medicine as a category, they have Western medicine as a category, and they have

katsu medicine as a category. Really? Yes, they just have bad marketing. That people don't understand like how significant this product is that sort of pumping motion to the body to get human growth hormone, testosterone, T cells, just about everything. That nitric oxide, just honestly, this is the premier performance enhancement thing that you could do. So most of the time when someone's doing

blood flow restriction, my understanding is like, they're just using like a wrap or something. It's constant. And it's restricted, then they like do a set and then they got to figure out how to kind of take it off. But this has like varying amounts of air that are being pumped into it kind of. Yeah, so it'll go in and out. But you can set it on constant mode and get that big vein to pop out of your head, out of your body. But this for health reasons, for the regular person,

just walk around, do your dishes. It's working out without working out. So you can be on your computer and be getting a workout. And to me that's like, why not? But you're also healing parts of your body that just needs flow, right? It makes sense. It's almost like, it's almost like you're, you know, with it being on your arms, it's almost like your upper body's going for a walk. Right. And then they have leg ones as well. And the leg ones, I mean, I can put later on, we can go play,

but I can put it at 400, although my legs are small. Your legs are probably a lot bigger than mine. And then we can put it on 400 and then you go lift and you don't have to lift heavy. So again, I was telling them Dr. Sato is 76 years old and he's got 20 inch guns, like for 76 year old man. That's awesome. Yeah.

And it's, it's incredible. And what he wants to do when LA 2028 comes. That's gotta be a record. That's gotta be a world record. That's, that's beautiful. To have that big of arms at that age, that's amazing. He has to get custom shirts made for him in Japan because Japanese people tend to be very thin. And so yeah, he wants, his goal is to go to 2028 and invite RFK to like compete with their guns out. Some of my experience with blood flow restriction, which isn't a lot, I don't have a ton of experience with it, but I will say that I've utilized, you know, I'll take like a wrap, I wrap my bicep slash shoulder area, and I've had a lot of pain go out of the area of say like my elbow or something like that, which I was surprised

because you try to think like, oh, if I put compression on the area that hurts, that's going to be the area that heals. But in this case, it seems to work maybe a little differently. And when I've had it on that shoulder bicep area, any pain that I had in my elbow seemed to just completely disappear. And not only would it disappear, but it felt therapeutic. It felt like it was going to help for future workouts. Yes, absolutely.

And that's, again, if you've had, I was just telling, in SEMA, there was a kid who had broken his arm and they had to cut off the cast because they were only using one arm with the katsu and it grew so much that it outgrew the cast. And if you compared the two arms, one was bigger than the other. And then not only was it bigger, he was hairier. So he had no hair on the one that had no katsu,

and the one with the cast had grown a ton of hair. And it feels faster. Amazing. So you try the katsu, you try it on your neck, and then you get hair on your head. I wish it worked like that. But it's the growth hormone. It's the HGH, right? And so think about as we age, our human growth hormone goes down, but if we have something like this, it can keep us healthy till we're

like 150. I mean, I plan to live to 150 looking like this. I mean, but that's, I mean, I got all kinds of ways I'm trying out. I'm trying to, with this machine, trying to work on my genes on a quantum level and try to see if I can make any changes so that I can, if a gene is starting to fail, can I fix it? How did you like get into all this? Because you were showing us all kinds of stuff in the gym earlier. And so what's your background? Like what led you down this path? Were you trying more conventional things and they weren't really working great? My mom's a doctor. She's a pediatrician, Western trained.

My dad's an engineer. And so I think I took the best of both worlds trying to engineer the thinking. Engineers always asking questions. Questions. And so my mom is very Westernized and doesn't really do any of this stuff. And interestingly, my dad lets me play with him and lets me try out some things. My mom won't let me touch her. Although recently, some of this patching stuff, she's like, oh, it actually kind of works.

So she's letting me do some of the things to her. But yeah, how did I get into this? I used to work in the movie business. I mean, I had a very wild career. In what way? I was a camera assistant. So I worked on the television show Charmed. Oh, yeah.

That was a lot of Charmed as a kid. So Charmed was funny because when I was working on it, I had my kids on Charm. Like my daughter was born when I was working on it, I had my kids on Charm. My daughter was born when I was working on that show. And what was fascinating was at the time, I didn't believe any of that stuff. They were scrying and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like, why am I wasting my time on a show like this? And now I go, oh, I'm actually doing a lot of what they're doing.

Some of the magic. Yeah, it seems magical. And what happened was I was working on a movie up in Half Moon Bay called American Pie 3. And we were at the Ritz-Carlton and I was in a bathtub. I was like, I'm like luxury. I can take a bath. Well, you know, baths give women urinary tract infections. So I had never had a urinary tract infection in my life and I got one. And it was so bad.

It was the bleeding kind. So you would pee blood and it was literally like felt like I was giving birth again. That's how painful it was And so I went to the doctor and I had three rounds of and by antibiotics So the first round they go, oh you're like ninety four five percent cured right or it's gone It's not but you still have some so they gave me another one and it was called Cipro and I immediately had a reaction That's the one they give you if you get anthrax. And then they gave me one more, and then five months later I think I'm done, and I get the same thing.

It came back. And I go, I am never going to do antibiotics again. I had made that decision. And so I'd gone to this chiropractic guy, and he did this weird stuff that you stuck, he measured your finger with this electronic device and it was and tell you like, okay, well, your kidney is doing this and, and, and he fixed it. He was the guy who kind of like, oh, he fixed my knee. And he was the

one who said, look, if you were to take, he goes, I had my knee was, was not happy. And, and I went to the doctor and I had an MRI and I had, he goes, you have a meniscus tear. And he goes like, you know what? It doesn't matter. He goes, if they had done your other knee, it would probably have shown a meniscus tear. But why is one in pain and one not in pain? And it was, that was like, oh, like he was opening my eyes to a different way of seeing things. And then he was also the one that said, I said, well, what if it's a placebo, right? What if it's,

you know, I was at that time just conventional medicine and he goes, does it matter if you got better from a placebo from cancer? And I really had to think about that, I go, you know what, you're right, you got better. What doesn't matter, what means I got better from? And then that sort of opened my mind up to like doing different things. And that started me on a path of searching and I've not stopped searching since.

Like I am constantly looking for ways that are not conventional and that possibly work. And again, even if it works from a placebo, people, what if it's a placebo? Well, we know that drugs, when they do drug trials, it's 30% placebo. So then like Joe Dispenza, like he studies placebo. And if you're talking about pain, the other thing is time. Time. There's like nothing more powerful than time.

So if we have a little bit of placebo, you give me a little bit of hope for a couple of weeks, we got time, we got the placebo effect, and then six weeks later, I'm feeling a little bit better. Yeah, and it is here because, right? I mean, like Joe Dispenza did all the works on his spine through his mind and then he, 11 weeks, which was not supposed to happen, he was able to start walking again and they want to do surgery, but most people aren't willing to do the work

and the time it takes. And then they don't also believe that they are that powerful. And I think if the message is out there that you are powerful and you are powerful, we are all powerful, then what can we do to help people regain that power to take back their power to heal themselves? You were mentioning antibiotics. Are you familiar with some natural things that people can use instead of antibiotics? Sure, people use silver.

As long as you don't overdo anything. People do, honestly, garlic works. There's so many, like, I like earthclinic.com, that because it's natural and you can look things up. Yeah. What's it hurt to try some garlic? Yeah. Right. Right.

Oregano oil, I believe is another one. For like ear infections, people do like garlic oil in the ear and they just stick that in there. Again, like I will try alternative before I go conventional. If you have to go conventional, you eventually have to, but like, why not? Why not try something that is out of the ordinary? And people go, well, where's the science? Well, when we were all, Chinese medicine, did they have science?

No, they somehow got the knowledge from somewhere to find the meridians, to find all the Chinese medicine from like- Yeah. How big is that book that you have? Yeah, it's huge. It's huge. Like donkey skin from, I mean, if you've ever eaten Chinese medicine, they're like, it's dreadfully, it tastes awful, but how did they figure that out? How did they know back then how to do cancer, how to do erectile dysfunction

with needles? How did they figure it out? It's by trial and error, and they didn't have papers to figure it out. I love science. I think that people have made it into a religion. It's a methodology. It's not a religion. And so I think we can all be scientists. You're a scientist. I think when you're trying out different ways of using the dumbbell, you're a scientist. You're a scientist. And I mean, every one of us is a scientist. Just how strict are your methodologies? It's, I mean, you don't have to have a PhD to do your own research and to try things out. I know like Ben Greenfield,

like basically experimenting on himself. I think we all are. Yeah. Unfortunately though, like what you just said right there, when we start listening, and it's good Andrew Herbman and these types of podcasts that really focus on the science and give you researched back evidence, right? It's good, but I think sometimes it makes people not have the want to try different things that aren't backed by research. And if it's not evidence-based, then how can it

be true? You need the evidence first to be able to actually. And if it's not evidence-based, then how can it be true? You need the evidence first to be able to actually, like, see if it really works. Right. But is it, I mean, again, I always make the joke about, here's your cell phone, do you know how it works? Do you need research-backed papers to turn it on? No.

And we have faith that that thing is going to work. We're not the scientists, somebody else created this product, but we don't judge it because we don't have the backing, the research backing on it. I think something that's interesting is that when you get to be in a position like yourself, we sometimes forget our beginnings. We sometimes forget, you did mention, you know,

you have one parent's a doctor, the other one is an engineer, but your own background, I think it's hard to become a Ben Greenfield without, you have to learn a lot of stuff. And a lot of those things are probably gonna be, I would say a good chunk of them are probably gonna be a little bit traditional. And then as you know the traditional, like I know that this three sets of 12 with two or three different exercises is going to induce hypertrophy.

Well, now I know the rules and now maybe I can break them and maybe I can branch out and try some different things. I can say, I wonder if I only did one set, but I did one set hard and I did it with the blood flow restriction. Right. Or do eccentrics only. Right. I wonder if I only did one set, but I did one set hard and I did it with the blood flow restriction. Right? Or do eccentrics only. Right.

Only do eccentrics and see, I mean, I know, I mean, that's off topic, but like I know guys who have just now switched to only one time a week doing eccentric loading and they're getting bigger and they're, and, you know, I don't know if you know about the Synapse, but the Synapse CCR was created by... Yeah. The guy's, uh, South care, uh, SoCal, right? Yeah. And he used to work on the ATP tour for tennis players and he figured out, uh, that you could use this device that he created and these tennis players no longer have to go in the gym. And what does that give them? Maybe you can try to look that up, Ryan,

what's called Synapse? Synapse CCR. And it gives them time to now have time with their families. Like, you know, as a pro athlete, you don't want to spend all your time in the gym. I mean, I know you guys love the gym, but like, but it's, it's, it's life balance, right? We want to be able to spend time with our families,

but we, we also want wanna be a great athlete. And so that these guys are doing 50 year olds, 60 year olds, 70 year olds, literally working out once a week. And then they go back to the gym and they're like pumping even more so than they've ever been in their lives. They're just doing personal best.

even more so than they've ever been in their lives. They're just doing personal best. So this machine, this basically eccentric machine, I think it just puts you through some type of movement or motion, whatever way you're trying to use it. And it just makes even just a couple reps brutal. I've never used it. Have you used it? Oh yeah. I use it on my athletes all the time. And it's the best when you do it with somebody else.

Because I can take one finger, you're a big guy, and you'll be like, and I'm like, work harder and see. You're not working hard enough. And what we're doing is, if you were to have your, give me your bicep, and if you were pulling the machine machine and I would pull you out, and then you would pull it back in. And even when I'm pulling out, you're still resisting. And so not only are you, you're stretching the fibers

and also getting type two fibers, fast switch fibers going as well. Like this is a whole new way of being, right? And learning to do this. And this is just on a cable slash pulley system for people that aren't watching on YouTube. Yeah, it's easy to do and you can set it up anywhere and you can bring it in your hotel

and get a workout that rivals going into the gym. What is your background? Because you're working with really high level people. So. What is your background? Cause like you're working with like really high level people. Yeah. So what's your training background? Because I would imagine like, I would imagine that people aren't gonna just go to you if you had only like these fringe things.

There's gotta be. My training background. So I used to be a gymnast when I was a kid. And I started out more like a mental performance. And why mental performance? Because when I was a gymnast, I was in the flow. And I was in my floor routine and I messed up because I started thinking. And as soon as I started thinking, I lost the flow.

And then I went to another meet, another state championship, and I'm in the flow again. And I started thinking, oh, this is where I made the mistake. And I made the exact mistake in the same spot. And I know as you guys are athletes, like how incredibly important the mind is. Yeah. And so when you go to the Olympic levels, and I've been to Olympic trials, I've been to, you know, nationals,

and I've been to world championships for swimming, it's all, they're all talented. What separates people is this. And nobody spends, they don't spend time here. Everybody spends it working out in the pool. If they spend as much time doing this, the mental stuff, they would be a better athlete. But most coaches don't spend any time there. They spend it all out in the arena, in the pool, in the gym.

And that's not where the, what makes Michael Phelps or Simone Biles, right? It's like when she was having her twisties thing, that's, you know, for gymnastics, if you lose your space, you're going to die. Like, that's one of the ones where you will literally will kill yourself. But for other sports, it's, it's the one component, I think, if more people spent time doing this, they would be better at their craft, but it's the same for your body. If you spend time doing this and seeing your hand better, using your mind to get better, then you will get better. But if you're using your mind to, I don't,

to worry instead of actually being proactive, then that's where it becomes not helpful, right? Because there's placebo and nocebo. Ever heard of nocebo? Yeah. Yeah. So it's the same thing. And I think healing is on a continuum. I think you can heal people and you can hurt people on a very slight line. And it's all here. It's really all here. So what got me into this is after I did that, I was helping my daughter in her swim club and I saw this one young

man and I asked him, what do you want to do? He goes, I want to go to the Olympics. I go, who's helping you? He goes, no one. I go, no one goes to the Olympics without a team. So I took him on and from there, he went from 115th ranked to 20th ranked. And just kind of like mind stuff. I wasn't doing any of the body stuff at the time. And then he said he wanted to try this different method of training where you just train. It's like, it's called USRPT and you wanted to

train fast and try this new methodology. It was kind of new at the time. And I said, well, I'll be your stopwatch, but I can't be your coach because I'm not a coach. So I was his stopwatch. But then I said, oh, wait, if I want to go to a meet, I think I have to become a coach. So I became a coach. And my very first swim meet, there was Michael Phelps, there was Bob Bowman, there was Simone Manuel, there was like all the Olympians were there, Katie Ledecky and I felt like a total fraud, which I was because I knew nothing. I wasn't a swimmer. I was a gymnast.

I coached gymnastics, but I also knew the body. I was a healer prior to that. And so I was doing healing work and now all of this is starting to come together. And I met Jamal over there and he won a medal in Tokyo. And Jamal's an interesting story because when I met Jamal, he wasn't getting any better while the other people were getting better.

And I said, hey, Jamal, I've noticed that you get out of the pool like a quadriplegic, like somebody's got like cerebral palsy or something. And he was getting in the car like that and nobody ever called him out on that. And I was the first one who did. And he said, well, funny, you should that. I got something called charcomere tooth. And I go, what's that? He was like, well, it's a neurological condition where I can't use my legs, where I have normal looking legs, but they don't work.

So it's, I've, I've moved into sort of like para swimming because, because it's fascinating because I think, I think we're all imbalanced, right? You've got a stronger right arm, left arm, you've got a stronger right leg, left leg, maybe your hip is stronger. It's just bigger. It's bigger when it's people like who have a disability. And it's just the puzzle is a little bit different. But I think able-bodied and disabled-bodied are actually the same.

You're the same in some ways because you're just another puzzle. So the engineer is figuring out why you're not walking correctly, why you're not moving this way. And when people just start walking, I was like, hey, what's wrong with your neck? It's because they're moving in a way that's so obvious to me that is not, you know, most people aren't looking that way. What is it that like, you know, as you started working with para athletes,

for example, Jamal, what has that taught you in terms of assessing the body? I think it's, you have to be more creative. And I think when you're more creative with people who have a disability, you're now even more creative with people that don't have a disability, that you're seeing things that are just different. So yeah, it's fascinating being in the para world. I mean, when I was in Paris for the Paralympics, you see people who have no arms and legs. Or you see people with just no arms swimming as fast as they can across the pool, hitting

their heads because they don't have any arms. And they're using COTSY right there. I've been using it since like 2017, 2018. And just following people who have, how can we get everybody better in any means we can that are legal, right? Following all the USADA, WADA things. But as I said earlier to you, like, there are so many things that don't even require PEDs that people just don't understand, like enzymes. Enzymes.

How about we have a talk about proteolytic enzymes? Proteolytic enzymes, there's, I'm using a product that has proteolytic enzymes in it. And what they did is they found these trees that had these enzymes in that, and these trees had withstood time. So the radiation may have been higher, the heat may have been, you know, cause the earth has had many, many iterations

in climate, right? And so these, they're finding the strongest enzymes in like centenarians, the older people who live to a hundred and my grandmother lived to 103, by the way. And, and they're finding those enzymes are in those people. And so taking that as well and combining them and, and I'm use this with somebody and so these things are approved by Watto Sato and I gave it to my athlete, right? So he's only 25. So the older people, they like just feel a little more energy.

Give it to a young person whose enzymes. So the day before he was swimming 30 seconds in a butterfly. And the next day, he drops a second and a half and 28.5. Right? And what was that? He goes, I felt energy in my body. It was, and again, we talked about this earlier. Like a nervous system type thing, huh? Yes, more electricity in the body. Electricity is the key. And so that's why when we have all our phones in our pockets and things like that,

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I was watching a, I saw a video the other day of somebody that was about to get into the batter's box in baseball. Okay. And they took their bat, they looked at their bat and it was like, it must have been a big, it must have been a big like at bat, like maybe towards the end of the game or whatever. The guy holds the bat up, he looks at it and he goes. And then he calms himself down and then he hits the, you know, the plate a couple of times with his bat and he just gets into position.

Like, so he just, he did this exercise. Ritual. He did this ritual and his eyes were laser focused on the baseball bat. And then as soon as he got done looking at the baseball bat, he looked at the pitcher and he calmed himself right down and he got right into the batter's box. And I just thought, wow, that was really cool.

There's way more to that than just what I saw there for a second. But then earlier today we had an MMA fighter on who's a legend in a hall of famer, Boss Rutan. And Boss Rutan said that he did something very similar when he would fight. He would separate from the guy and he'd shake his arms out. He'd look at him, he'd get a couple deep breaths and then he'd relax and he'd get back into the fight. So what are some strategies and what are some things that come to mind when you hear practices

like that being done? Open focus. So there's also, there's a book called, I don't know, I forget who wrote it, but he would talk about lions. So lions will sit and they have open focus. So they're looking out. So they're calm and they're looking out. And then when the peripheral vision goes, then they lock in.

The problem with us as humans now is we're locked in all the time. This is not peripheral vision. This is lock in. And so that's stress. So we're not doing what we need to do to be relaxed and then locked in. And so when that guy was locking, he was locking, he was probably peripheral when he walked up and then locked in with the bat. Or for some people swimming, they'll like be, when they walk in to the other side of the pool, they'll be peripheral and then

lock in, but almost out of focus. Right? Because you don't, sometimes you don't want to be that focused because then you turn the mind on. You want to be able to turn your mind off while you, it's the flow sensation, right? Just like my problem with like, oh, you made a mistake, right? Exactly here. Yeah, you're probably trying to, once you started to think,

I'm imagining you're trying to be almost like, oh, I wonder what I just did right there. I want to replicate that. Yeah. And then now you screw everything up. Yeah, because that's thinking. And thinking is slower than the subconscious mind movement. Yeah.

I'm curious about this, you know, as we were doing this stuff in the gym and you were helping me work on this frist, you're mentioning that pretty much I was healing myself. You're having us go through a few different things. And kind of goes into the idea of people having the ability of bringing awareness potentially and healing certain things, kind of like Dispensas talked about and you're talking about. So what are people missing when it comes to, you know, pain and kind of like dispensers talked about and you're talking about. So what are people missing when

it comes to pain and kind of healing that pain by themselves? Right. For people who want to heal themselves, I think when I did that work on you, which is a version of square one's, I added the component personally of intention because I found that with you thinking about it, it made the work more powerful versus it's kind of like if I'm a doctor and I'm working on you, you lose power. But if I say to you, no, you have to be an absolute participant in this in healing yourself, then you're going to feel more empowered. And because you're using your own brain to do the work, you are in a sense healing you. I'm not doing the magic. I'm actually, I'm purposely not doing the magic. I don't want to be the one doing the work. I'm just telling you where to focus.

But if you could figure out where to focus on your body, then that's all you. And I really think that we need to get away from relying on other people to come save us. That you have to do the work to save yourself and not rely on others. I mean, we, sometimes we can, we're in pain, we need other people's help. But ultimately, we have to do the work to be better. Whether it's, you know, massaging yourself, whether it's getting out a gun to, massage gun to do it, getting out those lever sticks to do the work, getting on a strap like you have,

or even doing like slingshot, like just doing any of those things, that's healing yourself. Yeah, I think it kind of gets you in this weird position of if you knew how to get rid of what was wrong, then you wouldn't be, you know, you wouldn't be like going to somebody else, right? But no one is going to ultimately fix you. It's most likely, I mean, I would say it's probably really rare. I guess maybe

we can make an argument for like a surgery. Somebody does a very particular surgery. It's like life-saving. It's like, well, that guy saved my life. Someone pulls you from getting hit by a car. You can kind of make an argument for certain situations like that for the most part though. No one really is going to save you. They might be instrumental in you getting saved But most likely it's going to be a series of things and people That are going to lead to your success of you getting rid of whatever the heck thing you got. Yeah I was in Japan with this major Marine and his name is Jamal Awad and He had been in Iraq and he was on so many pain medications.

And then he started using the katsu and working out just like remember like you said, like, oh, you know, I just put the BFR ban and some things started going away and he's been using for 10 years and it literally that saved his life. Doing it consistently daily, he got off all the pain meds and was able to function and to do, I think people give up. I think that's, again, I think when people are in pain,

their mental state sort of gets depressed. Like you feel like you have no other options. But if we can all just know that there's always something out there if you look hard enough, there will always be something there for you. Don't ever let anybody say there's nothing else out there for you.

I think that's one tough aspect about like, you know, pain and finding solutions because after a certain point of living with that pain and being with that, you just start to believe that that's just how things are going to be. So you don't believe you can get rid of it. And it's hard if you've gone from person to person, each person shows you something and nothing gets relief. It becomes harder for you to even believe you can live without it at that point. Yeah, yes. And that, yes. And then that's why in some ways the people who live in pain and they keep on living are some of the strongest warriors you'll ever meet. Because they haven't given up.

They could have, they could have killed themselves or they could have died, right? They could have chosen a different outcome, but here they are. They're still here. I think to me, those are the people who are admirable because it's easy for people to say, I'm out of here. Peace out. When it comes to the mental side of things, how do you teach or coach positivity or teach away from negativity or is that something you don't even necessarily bother with?

I think we have a balance. Dr. John DiMartini, he said, we're always being challenged and supported. And if we think we are more challenged and supported, then we are out of homeostasis. So then in your mind, you actually need to take the perspective to balance, okay, so if you only think you're challenged, like I'm a victim, challenge, challenge, challenge,

like who's supporting you? Oh, well, my dog is supporting me. And challenge could be interpreted as being like attacked or, you know, and then you're on the defensive, right? Or if you overly supported, you or, you know, and then you're on the defensive. Yep. Right. And or if you overly supported, you become, you know, like you don't, it's, you need both sides of that. And to be able to have that, there's, there's never negative without a positive and there's

never challenge without support and there's never support without challenge. And like if you have too many things that are good for you, you become like helicopter parents, right? If you give your kids too much, they're weak in a sense, right? Cause they've never had to work with challenge. And then there are those who are overly challenged in whatever way, then they don't actually see where they're being supported.

And I think the best part was like when someone passes away and you feel like, oh, you know, you're grieving and you're grieving and you're grieving, you think that that person will never be this, I'll never have that person again, but that person comes in many different forms. So for example, like, okay, I'm sad my husband is gone and because he's no longer in bed with me, I'm lonely. And then you ask, well, who's in bed with you now? Oh, my dog.

Okay. So now somebody took that place of your husband. It's not in the same form, but you're still getting the traits of that. So nothing is ever lost. Does that make sense? It's like physics. Yeah, if you're looking for it, nothing is ever lost. That's a good way of putting it.

Yeah, yeah. You were mentioning something also, how like healing starts in the mind. And it made me kind of curious, because when you were, like I had you kind of work on my wrist for a bit, you had me kind of think about certain areas, right? And it brought me to the idea, because you mentioned Dodo Spenza, he was like visualizing his spine.

And anybody can go look it up with how he healed his back, but he was like literally visualizing vertebrae by vertebrae, right? So is there anything practically that you can give to people in terms of being able to slowly get rid of pain by using their mind and thinking of these specific areas? Is there anything people could like work on trying at home? Yeah. What works is like, I mean, obviously meditation, you can just focus on it. I think what happens is when your mind, you got to play it like a game. I see like it's like playing Sonic Hedgehog.

When you lose, you got to go back to square one, right? Like you got to go back to the very beginning. And so that's what worked for Dispenza, right? He's doing it. And then as soon as his mind was like, I got to go do laundry, back to square one, right? To the very, very beginning of focusing on it. And then when you no longer care whether you heal or not, in some ways it's the attachment to the healing that makes it not heal.

Yeah, and then when you're grateful for what you have in this moment right now, whether or not you're healed or not or whether you're in pain or not, that's when the magic really happens. That's when somehow that's that moment in time where it's like, boom, it's gone. But doing the work that we did was very, very simple. It doesn't require a lot of meditation, right?

We're just working on structuring the body so that it's more organized. And when you're organized your software, the hardware reorganizes. And so then you don't feel the pain. That's a lot easier. But some people have like bigger things going on, right? So, but I highly recommend everyone go, go learn Square One for yourself.

Don't like do it for yourself, not for anybody else. What is Square One by the way? You've mentioned it twice. Square One was created by a man named Sean, I forget his last name at the moment, Sean, S-H-A-W-N, and he created that system doing thousands of hours of working with people. He's now working with like professional athletes and taking it to them. And I mean, there's even stories of like a guy who injured his ankle, a D1 college basketball player, and they saw it, they just did square one on it and it began to, like the bruising went away almost instantaneously.

And he did it on his mom, his mom was having a stroke. He was square wanting her while she was having her stroke. And she started speaking more normally. I mean, we don't, like again, I mean, I do it a little bit differently because I've kind of created my own way of doing it, but everybody should go take his class. Like take, that's what I'm saying. Like don't be a victim to your pain.

Go find ways to fix it. I think one of the most painful things in the world is to worry about the stuff that you don't have. You know, like I think that's, it's that suffering, right? That's a mode of suffering is to just sit there and think like, I don't have this yet or I haven't made it here yet. I wish I was further along. I wish I was, I wish I was still with this person,

or like all those things, they can be very painful. And I think pain in general, I think is like, it's a loop. But I don't think it has to be a closed loop. I think it can be an open loop where you're getting some of that energy out and you're working over time. And maybe like, maybe for some people, like maybe there's disabilities,

maybe there's things that we're born with, maybe there's challenges or pain, or maybe there's certain things that like, literally maybe there's a possibility you'll never get rid of it completely. But can you be better off? Like can we figure out a way to get you just to be a little bit better off?

You know, somebody having a negative mindset, being worried about the things that they don't have or they're pissed that they're not in the place that they want to be because they're in so much pain, that's understandable, but it's also not helpful. Yeah. With some of the Paralympic swimmers, Jamal, for example, pretended he had nothing wrong with him for years.

And his mom actually didn't say you had anything wrong. She just said, you need to work harder. You need to work harder. And that's great. For him, that has changed his mindset. That's why he's a Paralympian. Because his mindset, I'm just going to work harder. I don't have a disability. But at some point, you know, when I confronted him,

he went home and cried because he was pretending there was nothing wrong. No one ever gave that to him. Yeah, so like I go, you don't have to go to the Olympics. We can go to the Paralympics. And then he just shot, like, yeah, see there's a guy who has no arms and swimming incredibly fast. And so for those people, and I have another swimmer who has no arms and swimming incredibly fast.

And so for those people, and I have another swimmer who has hip dysplasia, had, I don't know, six surgeries by the time she was like, a year and a half, three years old, and she couldn't even crawl. Like she was like this in a cast. And she is now like 37, still trying to make the Paralympic team.

And you do the best with what you have, right? You don't bemoan what you don't have. You do the best with what you've been given. So with Jamal, like, you know, okay, so you don't have feeling from your knees on down. We can make your hips and your quads and your hamstrings the strongest that they've ever been. Like this guy right there, right? Like he has no arms. Like you don't bemoan the fact you don't have arms. You just work with whatever you got. Here's this guy who has no legs. And to watch these people go out there, it's just the most inspiring thing. When they come to LA 2028,

I go watch a game or go watch a swim meet and we have nothing to complain about. You think about the challenge, you know, okay, one challenge to swim and to be able to swim with proficiency the way that they are, but I don't even really think about any of that stuff. What about just getting up, taking a shower, getting your ass in the car? Are you driving yourself because you have some sort of special vehicle or someone else have to drive? There's like so much involved, right? Of just, the guy doesn't have arms. It's like,

how do you get yourself dressed or- Feed yourself. I mean, I've seen some people use their feet. They find a way, which is really cool. But you just think about the time commitment. So a lot of times people are frustrated or annoyed because they don't want to do a workout because they simply don't want to just change their clothes. I'm talking about regular person.

Yeah. They don't want to just change their clothes. Like I'm talking about regular person. They don't want to just like change their clothes or whatever. And I think if we think about some of these folks that just, they just figure out a way, they find a way. Yeah. And that's why it's so inspiring to be around people who are, who are Paralympians. Cause they not only find a way,

but they only find a way to be the best with what they have. And we have no reason to complain. Have you found that there's something different about them? Is there something different about their spirit or something just that is different about some of these athletes that you've been working with? For sure. I do feel like they have had it harder

and life has been harder. There's one athlete, Morgan Stickney, who has a disease, it's a very rare disease, and they keep cutting more and more of her legs off. And she's in hospitals all the time. I mean, I think each IV bag is $125,000. You just feel so inspired by these people to keep going, just to keep going. That's to me is for a lot of people, I used to work with a lot of people, I wanted to work with a lot of people, I wanted to work with a lot of people with cancer.

And what I realized with cancer people is they didn't want to change. They didn't want to do the work. And then I found athletes who will do anything for like, they'll do exactly what you tell them because they're motivated. And so in a way, working with athletes has been more fun than working with sick people because they're willing to do what it takes to be a better person, athlete, whatever. And that's why I said it comes back down to the mind again, because cancer really depresses a lot of people and they don't pick themselves up and they won't make the changes.

Like if you're like 300 pounds and you told them to like lose weight, most of them wouldn't even, they wouldn't even bother. And that's to me is like, I do all the work that I do for improvement. If I can make you a little bit better, a little bit faster, out of pain, whatever, that gets me up every single morning. And knowing that

you're getting better is everything. What's a computer you got going on over here? You're telling us about how the computer can like sort of calculate different things you might have wrong with you type thing? So this thing is called the iMate. It's not an HP. It's called an iMate, I-M-A-E-T. And it used to scale our waves to calibrate to you and then send you waves when you need it. And it can find all kinds of, it scans everything from viruses to your body parts to your nervous system to everything. And it is better when it's not connected to the internet.

So it's not connected to the internet. It's finding your basically, I say it's like a fingerprint, right? So you just put in your data and it finds you and it seems to send you scalar waves based on who you are and then people can find out if they have stuff going on. And then they can take it to their doctors. In some, you know, in a weird way, like for pets, we found had pets, there's no placebo for pets. You can't tell the dog that had pets, there's no placebo for pets. You can't tell the dog that you got,

you're gonna get better. We have found that they're getting better with just typing in things. For example, in Paris, when I was at the Paralympics, my swimmer had a head-on collision and they pulled her out of the pool. The doctors worked on her, the chiro's, the physios, everybody worked on her and then

she calls me at night and says, I am in pain. My back is killing me and I don't know what to do. And so I plug it in, type it into the computer and calibrate it to her and it tells me something. I run the program the next morning. She's like, I'm fine. Now my shoulder hurts. Well, you didn't tell me, but she, and then, and then she won a medal the next day. And I can't explain it. I don't know what mechanism is working. All I can tell you is I am astounded by the things it comes up with and how much people have been able to benefit from it.

It's like a chat GPT for your body or something. Yes. And what's really cool about it is it'll tell you like, okay, because it'll say stuff I don't even know what it is. I've never even heard of some of these diseases. And it'll go like, okay, this is what it is, or, um, and this is the upstream. And then you can go find more about it. And then you can go look. And, uh, like the other day, um, my uncle was dying and I ran it and it said, the first thing it said was depression.

And I knew he didn't want to live. I just, I already knew he didn't want to live, but it, it verified it on there. And then it says peristalsis. Well, yeah, he's got a peristalsis problem because he can't breathe well and he's got lung water in his lungs. And then it also had tissue. It had too much tissue, water in the tissue. Like how does it know this stuff? I don't know. How long has this stuff been being used? Like, how long has this technology been? There's been technology like this for a long time. A lot of it comes out of Europe. Okay.

Uh-huh. And then in this country, it's been, you know, it's been pooh-poohed, you know, like, because we don't have the science research backed, you know, that says this stuff works. Even when you talk about it, it sounds wild. It sounds like something you're gonna see out of like a science fiction movie, you know? Yeah, yeah. But I do think like we're at some level,

it's like Star Trek, I love Star Trek, and I think we're heading towards like, oh, I mean, AI, like computer, tell me where data is, you know, tell me where Mark Bell is sitting. It's going to, that's where we're heading. And so why not? Like, why not expand our mind to be able to think, oh, well, this computer can actually find you and help you out.

I mean, I've had, there's a timeline. You can type in your birthday and it'll go through all your years. And I have done it through enough people where the first thing, okay, say, where do you want to clear? Like, oh, so what happened when you were 17? My mom died of cancer. What happened when you're 33? My baby died in the womb.

I'm like, I can't make this stuff up. And that's, it's incredible. And they done studies informally where they have put people on QEEGs where they have the brain things on you and they've taken it to another room and they don't know when it's happening. And as soon as they start, it's the QEEGs already reacting. So we know it's doing something.

What the mechanism is, how our brain feels it, how it knows this, don't know. And we've done, I mean, people have done studies where they've like taken two cells, like one in New York and one in LA, and they will do something to the one in LA and the New York one feels it. Wow. And they're out there. Those kinds of studies are out there. Again, don't quite understand that,

but I mean, I've studied some sort of like in near death experiences where people have gone up in the ethers or wherever they go. And this one person said, she saw all these dots of light after she went up there. And she said, oh my gosh, those are people's prayers, dots of light. And I was like, huh, interesting. And she came back, she's like, oh, it's like, cause power of prayer, right? People, again, people's intentions, right? What she saw them as points of light up where she went. And then when she came back down,

that's how she described it. So that's why I keep saying intention is everything. What we intend for people, whether good or bad, is power. I do think like black magic, juju, all that stuff is so like that's why we have to keep clean as healers. We have to be so clean because that line of intention, if I want to heal you with my good thoughts or I want to hurt you with bad thoughts, it's the same. And I think people really need to be very careful with their thoughts because that is as much of just thinking that is enough to hurt somebody. So Mark, you have been loving wearing these Paloovas

for a long time. Why is it that you like these shoes that look like this? I'm trying to get my feet to be jacked. You know, I think it's funny how sometimes people will, when I wear these shoes, they're like, Oh, those are different. And I'm like, well, maybe you should blame God because this is the human foot. This is the way that it looks. But Paluvas are awesome because it's going to allow you to train your feet and

train your toes and allow for that toe spread because you got the five finger toe thing going on. It's like a, like put on a glove for your feet. It feels amazing. It's like walking around with toe spacers. You know, we've been working on our feet for a long time. Now you always hear the benefit of people talking about like these tribes who have gone without shoes forever and they have this toe space to have these amazing feet. And these shoes will allow you to just passively get that back by walking around.

You don't realize what a disadvantage you're at when your foot is all clumped together from the football cleats or soccer cleats or whatever else you were wearing when you were young. And so it's nice to be able to splay your toes. In addition to that though, one thing I love about Paloova is the fact that it's not a regular barefoot shoe. I do love barefoot shoes as well,

but it also has appropriate padding. And when you're stepping on some crazy pebbles and rocks and different things, like when I'm out on a run, some terrain is a little different than others. I don't have to be worried that I'm going to get some sort of stabbing, crazy thing happening to my foot because it has an appropriate amount of cushion underneath the foot.

And guys, Paluva has a lot of different styles on their website. I think one of the newest styles they just came out with, which is a little bit more of a rigorous due is the Strand ATR. It's not these, these are the Strands, but the ATRs have a little bit more. If you wanna go hiking with them, you totally can.

Those are amazing. If you go out, throw those on and go sprint on a field, and your feet feel so strong, grabbing the grass and being able to actually grab the ground with your foot feels amazing. I'm more of a chill guy with my Palluva so I like the Zen slip-ons but that's the thing with Palluva there's a lot of different options so if you head to Palluva.com and use code power project you'll be able to

save 15% off your entire purchase and they also have toe socks. Their five feet of toe socks are no show so check those out too. You know going back to what you're talking about about cancer patients, like there's been quite a bit of evidence now in terms of the patients who have a level of belief that they're going to be able to get through it. They do actually have a higher likelihood of being able to recover. And the ones that lose hope, unfortunately, much, much higher likelihood of death. You know, so it's, it's, it higher likelihood of death. You know, so it's one of those things where it goes back

to what you're talking about, the mind, that is huge. Yeah, it is huge. So in, back to this computer, I've been using it. I was at the Olympic trials for swimming and I looked at some athletes and I'm looking at their ATP. It'll tell me a number. And I'm looking at it and I'm going, I don't think this athlete is going to do too well. I mean, I, and then I didn't touch it. I just use it as an analysis tool and I'm looking at their performance and they're like, I can't finish my race.

My guess is they probably over train and they didn't know their ATP was not on because, but think about it for like a tool for athletes. I can now look without taking a blood test and find it from like a quantum level, whatever you want to call this and find out whether or not you're going to do well. How bizarre. I mean, there's, are a lot of things that are unexplained, you know, and you traveled the world and you have experimented

with a lot of different things, right? Yeah. I'd imagine there's some things that you've tried where you're like, meh. Yeah. Right, we tried a bunch of stuff that you've tried where you're like, meh. Yeah. Right, you tried a bunch of stuff that you had to discard. Maybe it was like okay, but maybe it just wasn't that effective.

Yeah. But you're also finding a lot of things that are effective and you're taking those things and you're utilizing them. Yeah, yeah. And it's a lot of fun because I feel like it's play. Just like you are playing in the gym. Like, I play with a lot of equipment too, because I'll buy just about everything.

I have this thing that you're standing. The sand dune stepper. I got it all. I got as many, no, not quite as many things as you, but I've got a lot of it. And it's a lot of fun because it's, what if it gets you 1% better? It's worth my time.

I agree. What are these things? These things are patches, which they're called life wave patches, and they use light. And light is another thing, it's like light, electricity, it's using isopolymers and refracting light into you. They did use these in one of the Olympics

with Michael Phelps and the team. And people said they were doping, but it's not doping. Wada said there's nothing wrong with it. And people were swimming faster, but just using this. And, but I use them not for sports performance per se. I'm using it like acupuncture. So I call these acupuncture without needles. So if we can, like, if you are getting sick, right,

right now, and you got a weight vest on, but if you touch right here, right under here, is that a little sore? Yep. Yep. And so that's lung one. Lung one. And I would put this, if you were, if I had caught you earlier, we could have caught it.

So your cold didn't come. And then we would have put in the acupuncture points right on lung one and could have stopped it all from happening. But the thing about like, I mean, yes, you can, I think alternative medicine is better when you catch it early. And so my family's all like crazy. Like I go, what'd you just do? I go, you just coughed like, no, no, I'm just clearing my throat. And I go, no, that's the beginning of your cold. You need to start now. Don't wait till it's fully in your body. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask this about when it comes to, you know, Eastern medicine, Western medicine. How have you kind of morphed the two? Because I think a lot of people, when they think about TCM or traditional Chinese medicine, it's pure BS. It doesn't make any sense, even though that's still practiced all over over there, right? And people are getting results. So with you, understanding elements of both, how do you marry it? Well, I think if you understand, I mean, I don't even understand the Meridians. I'm not a TCM practitioner. I just have a basic knowledge of like, okay, this is like the stomach line, that's this

line, the stomach line. That's the this line the kidney line and But I think if you're open to all of it you're that you begin to see there There's patterns right nothing is ever all by itself, right? Like T cells or energy meridians does it if you press here does this make my kidney feel better? Or, for example, like you have some sort of sinus thing going on. Every time you have a cold, you should work on your adrenal and kidney system because that's a big drain on it. And how do you marry it? I mean,

I think if you begin to understand the science of like T cells and basal fills and a seno fills and you begin to learn all the different, you know, physiological and biological and chemistry that goes with it, then you can begin to combine both of them together. You probably use a little bit of both, right? Like I'm sure some of the athletes that you work with, some of the people that you work with, they probably have other trainers or coaches or doctors and maybe some of the means that they utilize, maybe they are fairly traditional, but you're not necessarily

against that stuff, right? No, I'm not against it. It wouldn't be my number one. When it comes to the medicine side of things. The medicine side of things. Yeah. But even rehab, I've looked at, I've had physical therapy and it didn't really work for me and then I did FRC, functional range conditioning and kin stretch and that worked for me, you know, or just, you know, I just constantly looking for whatever is going to work because even no matter what, nothing works 100%. I don't care if it's a supplement or a drug or the patches or nothing works 100%. And you're going to be different from Ensima and you're different from me.

And so what I think when we get for Western medicine where I'm looking for is let's find out what works specifically for you and your biology and your physiology. And when we get to that point, I even think that's for education to be the same way, right? I don't think we should just stick people in school. And it doesn't matter private school, public school, like we should have something specific for encema. If you're a kinetic learner, if you're a audio learner, why wouldn't we just make your strength stronger?

And then, I mean, obviously we should, I mean, as an athlete, we work on our weaknesses if we wanna be the best. But in terms of making kids feel better, making athletes feel better, work on their strengths so that they're knowing they're getting better and then they have the mindset to do the work on their weaknesses. Work on the strengths first, right? I mean, I don't know your story for weightlifting, but you're doing BJJ now, so how's that going? Oh, it's great.

Yeah. Been doing it for almost 10 years now. So how's that going? Oh, it's great. Yeah. Been doing it for almost, almost 10 years now. Okay. Yeah. And so, but, but in the beginning it was... Oh, yeah. Hard. Hard. Yeah. So it's about like, how can we constantly be growing? My grandmother was 103 till the day she died. She was still learning English. Bless her heart. She wasn't doing a very good job of remembering she was learning English,, she was still learning English. That's good. Bless her heart. She wasn't doing a very good job of remembering she was learning English, but she was constantly learning. It's the growth mindset. And at 100,

she decided, I'm going to go get my own apartment. I'm tired of living with all you people. And I'm going to go get my apartment. And she would go down the stairs, like the stairwell, like, you know, everybody's taking the elevator and she's going down a dark stairwell. Like grandma, like, who's going to find you if you fall in here? But she's like, no, you know, everybody's taking the elevator and she's going down a dark stairwell. I grandma like, who's gonna find you if you fall in here? But she's like, no, you know, I'm gonna work out like, she's working out. My dad is 87 years old, plays pickleball, plays basketball, and he's still running around. And I think if the key to longevity studies, well, I study longevity studies so I can make athletes, is that me? Sorry.

That's okay. I'm going to turn it off. Longevity studies are what makes athletes stay in the game longer. So how can we have a Tom Brady not be the anomaly, but be the norm? So I studied longevity studies. What are old people doing? Right?

What do we need to keep the old people alive? What do we need? But now I've gotten to the point, now I'm working with older people and I go like, older people, you need to be like Olympians. Stop laying around. Train like an Olympian so that you can be strong all the way to your hundreds.

And so that's where we need to go with our older people, right? Train like an Olympian all the way to the end. What are some other things you've seen to be effective for people that are listening that maybe are in pain, maybe they got like joint pain? Have you seen things like turmeric or any of these supplements or foods, anything or any sort of like rub? I'm sure you're probably familiar with DMSO that's been around for 9,000 years, but yeah,

any recommendations on anything that seems to help or just make the injury less intense? Well, I love katsu, right? So I think that will take away pain. How's that feeling, by the way? It's off. It's off. Okay.

I can, if you turn it on, I'll do constant. Okay. Turn it on till the blue button's on. Blow them up. I'm going to blow up. Watch the, give me both arms. It's going to go to the blue button's on. And blow them up before the show's over. And blow them up. I'm going to blow up. Watch the other. Okay. Give me both arms.

It's going to go to 400 and it should hurt. He's like right at the limit here. Let me do that one. Okay. It's going to hurt. Okay. It's going to hit me in the head. My new big thing is proteolytic enzymes.

What's the best brand by the way? Look that up on Amazon. There's a bunch. So I use this brand called Sankey. S-A-N-K-I. And, you know, it's network marketing. I'm not a fan of network marketing, but I watched this video in which this doctor had stage four bone cancer.

It is one of the most painful cancers. That's what fentanyl was made for. So he was on morphine, you know, like morphine and then to fentanyl, like that is it. He took this for four days and he didn't have to take it every hour, like the medicines. And he started within four days, he was like, I only need to take the painkillers once a day. And to me, when I was watching that, and usually I've got an ADD mind, but I zoned in on this, because I realized what he was saying. He said, you know, when you have cancer pain, you don't want to eat because it's so painful.

And so as soon as he was able to get out of pain, he could eat, then you can feed the body, then you have nutrition, then you know, like all of it, then the mind becomes better. And so, but I'm now into proteolytic enzymes because, well, you know, with some of the people long COVID, they take natto kinase, seropeptase, those help them. Some enzymes have helped people get their periods back. Enzymes have helped people have normal periods, so they don't have pain

in their periods. Enzymes have held people with their skin, with their acne, because enzymes are the basic building blocks of life. It's enzymes, amino acids and proteins. And without those building blocks, we don't do well. And so when I saw that guy who had been super sick get off some of his pain meds, then I was just, wow, what's it going to do for somebody who doesn't have anything wrong with them? And just being able to have more energy in the cells, electricity. And I think one of the things that I can test in here is voltage of your cell. I can see if you have electricity in your cells. I mean, not see, like physically see,

but like the analysis. And I don't think medicine right now is testing the electricity voltage in your cells. And that's what's gonna keep you. And maybe that's chi, maybe that's ki, maybe that's what ki is. We don't have a scientific word for ki. But the chi flowing for our bodies

might simply be electricity. By the way, you mentioned chi and ki. Same thing, right? Same thing, Japanese and Chinese. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, and with supplements, are there any other things stand out? I mean, I love colostrum.

Again, a protein, right? A simple protein, I mean, a simple protein. Your arm's blowing up? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Simple protein, I think it works better than collagen. You know, like it's just the basic because probably there are stem cells and inside the colostrum that we're getting naturally. What else? I mean, there's so many

good things out there for the average, there's things for... Just average person like in pain. I did mention DMSO. Do you ever use that with people? Yeah. You can use DMSO. A lot of people use it for arthritis. It's a cream, yeah.

It's a cream, yeah. I mean, quanta rub, which is, you know, like CBD rubs are pretty, pretty good as well. What else? There's so many, so many good things out there, but I try not to use creams if I can, because I would rather try to get to the root of the problem. I see. Right? Because if you have arthritis, what do you have going on in your body?

There's a ionic calcium supplement, which you can use for your teeth in which this person was using it, 70 years old, and needed some implants, but her teeth jaw wasn't strong enough. She took this ionic calcium supplement called Dentogen and she had, she grew it 50% in a month. Like, that's crazy. So they also have it for young kids. They, you know, some kids have grown like, you know, multiple centimeters because if they, and, but then what is the mechanism? Why is it working? I think it's again, it's calcium and electricity because calcium has a channel and that channel also has an electrical component to it.

And so if the electricity isn't working well, then you're not going to have good calcium absorption or you're not going to grow. It also helps with the big C as well. Okay. Wow. Yeah. I'm curious about this. Do you tend to, because I mean, I know you work with different people outside of athletes, but do you tend to find more success with athletes because they, I feel like athletes are really looking for answers to find more of an edge. They're looking for, they want to figure out,

solve these problems so that they can get further. So they're willing to try things. They're willing to be open-minded to things. Whereas, I don't know, somebody isn't, sometimes they're just more, they're just way more reserved into what they're willing to do, what they're willing to allow themselves to believe.

What do you tend to see? For athletes? Yeah, athletes versus general population, if you notice a difference at all. Oh yeah, 100%. Athletes will try anything to get that 100%, 1% better. It's just a different mindset. My dad is not open, like my mom is not open to a lot of things.

Like, nah, nah. The eye rolling, actually that's the biggest thing. my dad is not open, like my mom is not open to a lot of things. Like, nah, nah, the eye rolling. Actually, that's the biggest thing is people, almost the smarter they are, the more they roll their eyes. The more educated they are, the more they roll their eyes. And I'm looking for the educated ones. They don't have to be formal education. Like Cal, Cal Deets will say,

I'm like the stupidest person I know, right? But he's not, because he's willing to learn everything that's out there and go with it. It's the eye rolling that drives me crazy, but I've learned to, I mean, I'm a little persistent, but if people are not open, it's a waste of my time. But sometimes I'll keep trying. If suddenly there was that opening and I find the right moment, then okay, let's do it.

Let's try something that you've never tried before. Ryan, you got anything over there? Nope. All right. Well, thank you so much for your time. They really appreciate it. And where can people find you? Find out more information about you.

It's probably best to just find me with healing with Wilma on Instagram. My website needs to be redone. Awesome. Thank you so much. Strength is never weakness. Weakness never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.

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