Mark Bell's Power Project - Human Garage - You Have the POWER to Get Out of Pain, HERE Are the TOOLS || MBPP Ep. 795

Episode Date: September 1, 2022

In this Podcast Episode Garry Lineham the Co-Founder of Human Garage, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk Garry's backstory and how he founded Human Garage. Garry went from jacked bodybuilder to prison, where he realized he needed to seek answers for his back pain. After spending $2.5 Million he found his answer. Follow Human Garage on IG: https://www.instagram.com/humangarage/ 28 day full life reset link  https://app.humangarage.net/share/O4rDBtKK-ehGeJIr PowerCurc30 Podcast: https://youtu.be/l8Tq62c0kzk 15 Minute Stress Reset: https://youtu.be/wzef2nA9anw Human Garage Shop:  https://humangarage.net/shop Join Human Garage Community: http://app.humangarage.net Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code POWERPROJECT20 for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject  ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok  FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en  Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #HumanGarage  #PowerProject #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast

There wasn't like a car accident or sports injury. It was just... Oh, lots of it. I mean, a 600-pound squat is what set it off. Oh, that's right. You told me about that. How old were you then when you did that? The squat?

Yeah. I guess I was 18. It was before the Nationals. Like, can we be jacked and still feel really good? Well, I believe that now, but I've spent the last, you know, 30 years trying to become unjacked. I mean, I had 31-inch quads. What are some things that we're not looking at?

Because the human garage was, I've tried everything. I spent $2.5 million in 20 years trying to fix myself personally. And that didn't work. And that's when I went to prison. I got out and I started a business. All I wanted to know is what the truth was. And the only way I can validate the truth is do it myself. Because I can't believe the science anymore.

It doesn't matter the science anymore. It doesn't matter where I go and it doesn't matter what topic I talk about. There's going to be two APHDs on either side, both with peer reviews and they're going to argue the shit out and then one of them is going to become more dominant thought process. So the only way to really know

is to actually test it yourself. Can you kind of give people a definition of fascia, its importance and why you started focusing on it more than bones and muscles? Fair statement. And I don't want to be in the argument of fascia. So I'm not here to pretend I know fascia. Okay. I'm going to tell you this.

I have changed my definition of what fascia is at least 20 times in the last decade. So when we're not resisting, we don't break. It's the resistance that breaks us. We are very elastic as human beings. I am the first time in my entire life without pain. Yeah, you've been in pain for a long time. Yeah, I have been.

And it feels good. It's a long battle. Yeah, it feels good to be out. Cal Dietz was somebody that pointed this out. He's a strength coach that's world-renowned. And he said, when you get to the right people, they'll say, I don't know. I don't know.

Or they'd say, I'd like to change my answer. And that's kind of what you were going on about. I change my answers all the time. With fascia, you're like, it just kind of keeps changing. I wrote it down, and by the time I write it down, I got to go back and start to rewrite it again. So this is a scoliosis that it's on. I'm always thinking whenever I see these graphs on the internet,

I'm always thinking like a giant dick is going to be. It happens every time. Like, oh, look at this x-ray. And you're like, come on. How many times I got to fall for this? Well, that is a penis coming up here. I see. I knew it was inserted in there somewhere.

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Silica, we're made out of 70% water, 25% silica, and sand, basically. And we're going to show a demo of that. We're going to show sand, and we're going to show what the body made up in components. And we're going to say, what does frequency do to water? What does it do to sand? Now, we're just water and sand with bacteria and viruses, so what does it do to us? That we're just water and sand with bacteria and viruses so what does it do to us that's really the message we want to get across gotcha yeah yeah i'd be so down to start there we already started okay just want to make sure all that just leave all that in

i think it's all good yeah um tell us a little bit more about how you learned chiropractic i think that's interesting and where uh i learned chiropractic in prison think that's interesting. And where? I learned chiropractic in prison. So I was a world... Like, hey, I think that popped my back. So I used to encrypt data and I used to encrypt data all around the world on wireless devices back in the late 90s, early 2000s.

But the data we encrypted back then was 4096-bit on a wireless device. So basically, we sold it to governments, and I was a BlackBerry partner, all these things. And one thing is that when you work with the governments, they want you to have a backdoor that they can get into, the U.S. government in particular. I built mine without a backdoor.

So when you don't have a backdoor, then you're not compliant. But we managed all the laws and we did everything that was right. And so they didn't have anything to get on encryption. So they had a confidential informant that worked for me for two and a half years. And they rolled her up in a drug crime. And they said I was her boss and directed her. And when you're a Canadian as well as American and you're in the States, it messes with things like when you do a federal, it messes with things like your bill. Can you be Canadian and American at the same time? Where were you born?

I was born in Canada, but my parents are, so I have two passwords. Nice. But, you know, the whole idea was this, is that irrespective of why, I ended up there. And I spent 27 months, 17 months in and out of solitary, solitary and then a control vault. I was in so much pain because I'd spent 30 years in pain or 20 years in pain. 10 years in the clinic, I got rid of my pain.

But if I left the clinic, I was in pain again. So it wasn't, that's why I knew that something else had to happen. There had to be a different answer. So I was literally in the cell crying, crying in pain, level 9, 10 pain. Trying to go to sleep. I couldn't go to sleep. And you're sleeping in concrete. It was kind of like a systemic pain or like specific, like my back really hurts.

My neck was, my neck and my back were out. And I've been dealing with this for, I was in a 4 to 6 pain for 10 years and a 6 to 9 pain for 10 years. And there wasn't like a car accident or sports injury. It was just. Oh, lots of it. I mean, 600 pound squat is what set it off. Oh, that's right. You told me about that.

How old were you then? The squat? Yeah. I guess I was 18. It was before the nationals. Okay. Yeah. Wow.

600 pound squat at 18 years old. That is insane. We got pictures. I mean, I was a big dude. I was like. If you have those, Andrew, you should pull those up. Yeah. You were doing some bodybuilding. You're pretty deep into a big dude. I was like, if you have those Andrew, you should pull those up because yeah, you were doing some bodybuilding. You're pretty deep into it. Yeah. I was like you, I started at 12 years old, but I started because I was a big kid. I mean, I'm not that big now.

I'm only like a little over six feet, but I was five foot, I was five foot nine and a half. Um, I was amazing right there. This was when you were 19 right yeah 19 that was at the that was at the jmc national so geez man andrew's zooming in jesus christ couldn't help it i had to zoom in and go down wow wait a second great legs and great upper body like it's usually people only have one yeah but you know you see there's the package is pretty small there man you're medium enough you're good on bigger people it looks smaller. That's my excuse. Thick legs, right? Yeah, yeah.

I have a loft weight. I definitely have become bigger. There is some truth to that. Yeah. But you also said when you were like, you lifted normally until you're 18, that you chose to hop on a little bit of stuff when you were 19, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So what happened was I trained, but I was going to go to the Nationals. And I was still a junior, which was really, really nice because I could compete at some of the shows I competed junior and senior at the same time because there's no age limit for senior, just junior. And so I was getting experience.

And so I went to the Westerns in Canada. And I realized that these guys had a little bit of an edge on me. And so I went back, and that year I cycled through. And so this one was cycled. But if you show a picture before, there's a color one from before where I wasn't juicing then. And so I really only juiced for about 11 months. That was at the Nationals.

Still jacked. That was at Nationals, that was Nationals. But there's another photo there. So what happened was, is that this, I was on this, I was at the stage watching and I realized that I'm going up against some big guys. And they had an edge on me. And back then, remember, this is the 80s.

So, you know, we didn't have pre-workouts. We didn't have all the tools we have today. We had egg album was the first protein powder we had. And desiccated liver and basically steroids. And so I ate a lot of desiccated liver, ate a lot of egg album. But we were, I believe that we were the original biohackers as the bodybuilders because we were trying to do something with the body. Yeah, keto diets and stuff like that for prep for contests

and things like that were pretty common. Yeah, and I was one of the earlier ones who decided to stay around my weight. So I stayed around my weight. I was like, that show was 217. But I would only go up to 230. So I was, and in that stage,

people were going to 280 and coming down to 230. And so the idea was, is to stay a little bit leaner all year round. And then when we got to the show, what I did was, I weighed in on that show at 199. And I, you know, carb, it's pretty common now.

I dried out my skin, sodium loaded, potassium loaded, ate my carbs without any water, and then loaded the carbs and water the night before. Looked great on the show, but that night, I looked like I'd never worked out before. Just kind of puffed out. And so I practiced that timing several times before the nationals and i just got it right on the money and um that so we were the original body body builders were the original biohackers and you know i've been a so i was a biohacker when i was early but i started figuring out that all this hacking was causing me problems and because i was doing too many things to my body and i couldn't stay i couldn't determine what was working what wasn't

after time i had ideas or beliefs but but you get a two or three years in and later and you realize, oh, it wasn't that it was something else. Like it was something else that was pushing. Some of the intensity and the, uh, what's, um, and the speed at which people want to grow is, uh, maybe a little fast. And so therefore, uh, maybe a lot of things are compromised in the process, but maybe we don't really need all those compromises. What do you think? Like, can we be jacked and still feel really good? Well, I believe that now, but I've spent the last, I've spent the last, you know,

30 years trying to become unjacked. I mean, I had 31 inch quads. So yeah. So with a 31 inch quads, you know, no pants fit. And then I went into profession and business wore suits. So I bought, you know, three pairs of pants for every suit, you know,

and you're wearing, you're wearing nice suits. I mean, that's, everything was expensive as a bodybuilder. Yeah. And so, so finally,

actually when I went to prison was when I lost the mass in my legs and stuff like that, just through the fear and the malnutrition and all the other shit. And that was actually the turning point for me because I think I'd created this image that I'd lived on. And when you're a big guy and you walk through a crowd, everybody moves out of your way. But I knew the day I wasn't a big guy anyway

because I walked through a crowd, people would bump at me. And it's like, oh, something changed. That means the outside world saw me differently, right? Yeah. And, but we were the original body of biohackers and what we did is we did anything and everything. We, back then we didn't have the internet.

So we had these little, these little handwritten manuals and we had these little printed manuals that we would buy. Guys, bodybuilders would trade them and literally they would typewrite it out and copy it. You order them, you order them from some guy sketchy, you put cash in the mail and you get it. But that's how we traded information. And that's why it was also so slow to understand the changes in the human body because we didn't have the feedback mechanisms that we do today.

You also said that when you did, when you topped on steroids, you were, it made you angry or like you mentioned you were, you became angrier, but were you already kind of an angry person before you did that? I would consider myself happy, but then again, an angry person doesn't think they're angry anyway. So, so I, you know, reality thinking back, thinking back right now is I don't really know. I mean, the anger didn't come up because of the steroids. The steroids revealed the anger that was already there. So I had a pretty traumatic childhood in a lot of different ways. Mother left early.

I grew up in northern Canada, a place called Fort McMurray. 50 below in the winter, 50 above in the summer. Sorry, 50. That's about 100 for you guys. Damn. That's a fucking range. Yeah. I mean, as a kid, my parents moved me up there in the third grade. And I'm like, at some point, even at third grade, I knew that this was like child abuse, right?

Moving a child to that. We would have, you could take a bottle of water. You could put it, there's guys that do this now on TikTok. I said, they'll inform, they'll actually stick it out the window of their car. And it goes, freezes right in their hand. I've seen that before. Yeah.

Wow. Is that area a little like homesteady? Like most of the people try to like live off of their land type thing? No, no. There's that oil town. It's two thirds of, the largest, second largest oil supply in the world is in Fort McMurray, Alberta. Most Americans don't know that because we think our oil comes from the Middle East,

a whole other topic. But basically, I think it's 290 billion barrels they have up there, and they mine it out of the tar, out of the sand. It's like prehistoric stuff. And it's a dirty place. The entire town has a smell of bitumen. So it's like you don't know, you know, pigs don't know pigs stink. So I didn't know I stunk.

I grew up like that. And then, you know, I come into other places and people are, what's wrong with you? But I mean, I'm a kid. It's in your clothes. It's in everything. So, I mean, but it was a place where people had a lot of money because in the 70s, like a mechanic was making 150 to 200 grand a year.

Damn. Yeah, like a mechanic. So 150 to 200 grand a year. Damn. Yeah, like a mechanic. So my father did taxes up there. If we did taxes, 50,000 people in the town, we did about 35,000 of them. So I grew up doing tax returns, child labor again. That's what they brought me up there for. They brought me up there. My dad, he's still alive.

Thanks, dad, for all the child labor. You learned how to work. Yeah, my son has done some of that with my dad. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like, look, it was a great experience. But my mom kept leaving at the time. And I can say a lot of stuff now because she's passed. Actually, I told her all this stuff before she passed.

So it was kind of cool. I got the chance to. So I had a lot of Bannerman issues. I was in a roughneck town. I mean, I started going to bars when I was like 15 years old. Wow. Because up there, the drinking age is only a mild suggestion. And also back to the point, I was a big kid. I was like five foot nine and three quarters in grade six. But what happened was, is that I was the biggest kid by kid. I was like five foot nine and three quarters in grade six. But what happened was, is that I was the biggest kid by far. I was like the towering kid, but I stopped growing.

And so like good examples, and I played center and basketball all the way up until grade 11. And then I got cut from the team. But it never taught me to play another position. So now my, and we have very few team sports in a, in a small town like that. So now what am I going to do? And, and now everybody's bigger than me because they're growing up past me. So I started working out and, and it was really, it was really 12, 13 years old. I started playing around with it, but I got really serious in, in grade nine,

um, uh, because everybody, grade nine, I could see them coming, grade 10. And I was a really, I loved everybody. I was a big kid. I was happy and fun and stuff like that. So they would beat on me, chase me home. You know, I was the kid that was bullied on, but it was these little kids bullying me, packs of them, like wild dogs. Jeez. So you learned some chiropractic in prison.

And how'd you get into like really wanting to help and work on people more once you got out? I don't think I wanted to help people at the first. I think I just wanted to help myself, to be honest. You said you kind of need, like in prison, you kind of needed it because people wanted, they wanted to get your help because they were also in pain, right? That's what actually, the interesting thing is, is when I found out that when people are in pain or dysfunction in the body is you're completely safe environment. You,

when there is, there's economies inside prisons, right? And one of the most rich economies is to be the doctor, the guy who can get people out of pain.

So that's how I made my way. And then I got to- I can picture like somebody wanting to like beat your ass and you're like, wait, wait, wait, I can fix your neck. I can get all the tension out of your neck right ass and you're like wait wait wait I can fix your neck

I can get all the tension out of your neck right now right where that tattoo is I can help you with that it was interesting is who I was in with and who I became

friends with I got to talk to people that you've heard about in magazines and stuff like that over time and I got to help them out and you know what

confused me I don't want to go too far on this but what confused me is they were so nice and this one kid who was in there for three he got a life sentence plus 380 years And you know what would confuse me? I don't want to go too far on this, but what confused me is they were so nice. This one kid who was in there for three, he got a life sentence plus 380 years just to make sure in case he beat it.

But they were so nice. He's like, hey, how's your family? How's your kids? Hey, come on in over here. Can I ask what he was in for? Because life in 380, that sounds like you did some wild shit. Oh, gang stuff.

This is all California, Southern California gang. So yeah, he was an executioner for one of the gangs. I won't say who. Okay. Yeah, so I just got to meet a bunch of people and I realized that a lot of the intelligence was actually there because they were people fighting against the system.

And ironically, that's what I'd spent my whole life fighting against the system, taxes. And then early on in telecom to get people around telecom and then encryption and stuff like that. So I was always trying to, I had this hero complex where I wanted to help people and save people. But when I was in pain, I just, to be honest with you, when you're in pain, you just want to get out of pain.

And so that was the motivation at first. And then it was like, okay, well, now I can help people and get out of pain. Now I can help people make money and get out of pain. And that was the progression. But along the journey, once I was out of pain, then I just wanted to legitimately help people. When did you get out of pain?

Well, when I had the clinic because I could be worked on all the time. But being out of pain and being pain-free, and even pain-free is a myth. I mean, we're never really pain-free. There's always pain. There's always something going on. Yeah. There's always something going on, but it's, it's more about, it's more about, um, honestly knowing what to do and having the ability to do it. It's not really about the pain. It's like, if I have pain and I feel, and I don't know what to do, I feel helpless. Having the ability to do it. I think that's probably the number one key. I heard somebody just the other day, maybe it was on this podcast,

they said something about like if I told you to do like 20 push-ups a day, you would probably get excited and start to do more automatically. And I think what you're offering, some of the stuff that you showed us, a lot of it, there was some where it's like you kind of need someone to kind of assist you through it a little bit. But a lot of it was stuff that, especially just the skin pulling, like the pulling of the skin and the twisting of the skin. That's just one of those things where I'm like, that's so easy and simple to do. Like there's just absolutely no reason for me not to do it.

And how good did you feel? It felt great. Yeah. It worked really well. Especially on the calves, like where I was telling you, super tight through the shins and calves. And then SEMA was even saying the other day, I was like messing around with my calves. He's like, your legs don't move.

He's like, I'm moving my legs around. He's like, and your legs, they won't move when you're trying to move them. That's not good. You're incredibly mobile for the size that you are. Thank you. Your physique's amazing. Thank you. I don't mean that in a gay way or anything.

And if you did, it's amazing. Thank you. I don't mean that in a gay way or anything. And if you did, it's okay. I mean, I love you, brother, and all that stuff. But no, I mean, most people your size don't move very well. It's something he works at, too, you know, like being next to him and seeing the way he trains in the gym and stuff and seeing where he spends his time. Yeah, maybe he came in with a little bit better background than some. And then I think the soccer background, I think,

is something that helped him a lot. But again, that's a lot of running around. That's a lot of work in and of itself. But he spends a lot of time doing it. And I think that that's – somebody might see something that someone does on Instagram and they're like, holy shit, I want to do that. And you're like, holy shit, I want to do that. And you're like,

Hmm, I don't know. Like if it took you, if it took you the amount of time that it took that person to accomplish that, like you would probably take that back. It's desire to do something versus reality. I mean, I got,

I've got bigger eyes. I mean, I think that's part of the Sagittarius trait. I've got big eyes. I believe I can do everything. And then I get into it and I'm like, Oh man, I shouldn't

have gone that far but but yeah yeah you're right i also want to warn people right now because the fact that you literally just brought up astrology there's a bunch of guys who are like oh fuck this guys there's gonna be a lot of useful information here so do not turn it off because actually you know what hey let me let me give you it can i can i say something about it yes because i didn't believe in it either. So how did I believe in it? What we did is we had 10,000 active patients in the clinic in LA. At the end of it, we had all this data.

We had all these client notes from dozens and dozens of practitioners. And we started pouring artificial intelligence on it to look for commonalities and similarities. Because I just believe that through people, we all believe that our situation is unique, but when you look at people in masses, it's not. I mean, that's how insurance companies work. So what we found was we were looking to find indexes

or behavior mechanisms, you know, like, why do these people have the same things, and why do they keep coming up consistently? What's consistent? Well, one of the things that came up was um was uh was the fact that astrology was consistent so let me just toss your mind for a second we're 70 percent water right and uh the earth is 70 percent water when the moon goes over it pulls the oceans into tide there is very little no chance that we're not slightly affected by that in some

way shape or form and and then to be more specific specific is where outside of the water all through your body where is water held like a storage tank in your body kidneys in your bladder okay so so you're gonna have a lot of you're gonna have more pressure in that area when it's tidal than anyone else anywhere else. And so this goes back to the very first discovery about when I was thinking, it was like, what are some things that we're not looking at? Because the human garage was, I've tried everything. I spent $2.5 million in 20 years

trying to fix myself personally. And that didn't work. And that's when I went to prison. I got out and I started a business and tried to fix it up myself. But I'd already been to all the best practitioners in the world, and I had spent all the money. I had literally flown places.

I would fly to Europe, and a guy couldn't help me. I'd be there. Did you say you spent like $2.5 million? My own money, yeah. We don't have the health care system. It's not like in Canada. It's a lot different. It's really good if you're going to get care.

But if you have something that's unique, it's outside the box, it's going to be impossible. So everything was out of pocket. And everybody was like some specialist in Europe or some specialist in Australia or wherever. What kind of specialist? Everything from neurologists to chiropractors to, I mean, I tried everything. Yoga, all kinds of things. Yeah, actually yoga probably was the one thing

I hadn't tried. But I hadn't tried anything movement-based, which was funny, because I was still dealing with pain. And I didn't, and movement. So it was too painful to do certain things. Yeah. You didn't know where to start, yeah.

Yeah, but I could sit and pull down. I could still sit on a bench and push. Yeah, motherfuckers. I could still bench 315. What's up? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's it. So, and I remember this,

it was about taking that pain that was in my body. And when you're in pain from movement, you stop moving. But what is movement? So I could go work out in a gym, but I wouldn't go water skiing or skiing because when I was younger, I didn't want to hurt myself because it screwed my workouts up. When I'm older, it's because I was in pain. I didn't want to get more pain. So I stopped living my life because I was also committed to the discipline of the

workout. And that's not good. At some point, that's going to catch up. I'm 53 workout. And that's not good. You know, at some point you just, it's, that's going to catch up. I'm 53 today. And, and that started to catch up. And by the way, I want to say guys, like, uh, you're 53. Uh, some people look at you like you're not extremely muscular or whatever. Right. But as we were doing this stuff in the gym and we'll have the video footage on the YouTube channel at some point, but the way you can just move well into some of these wild positions, you can just hop into a squat and sit there extremely fluidly. Like this is, it's, it's extremely impressive because you have the ability to go into so many different ranges that a majority of people cannot do. And if they can, they're typically like, right. You're just naturally going there. So

your ability to move is extremely impressive. Right? I think that's something that people need to understand. Like just because you're not a muscle down person, they're going to have a perception of what you can do. But your staff pointed out that it wasn't always that way for you. Yeah. Even two years ago, I couldn't move. I could squat. That was it. Cause I, it took me in the, in the human garage. I knew that squatting was an issue. So I learned to squat and then eventually I was squatting two, three, four hours a day because I would be watching people walk, I'd be squatting. I'd be watching people walk, I'd be squatting. And so then I would squat.

Andrew, can you show us? Can we get a shot of that if he squats all the way down? Because he showed us in the gym when he squatted all the way down, he was working on a computer. Can you get a shot of it video-wise, I mean? Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on.

He can adjust the camera because I think it's, like, important just to kind of – I mean, I know that people know, like, a squat and you're working on your laptop. But it's good to just kind of get a visual. The difference between squatting, I would squat three, four, five hours a day because I would eat squatted. I'd work on my computer. I got a – instead of a standing station, I got a squatting station. Yeah. I'd even squat when I drive sometimes. You got enough room there?

Yeah. So, yeah, it's just squatting, but you can get your bum right on the ground, right? And you just chill there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's super low. Like, his, like, butt is literally. My butt is on the ground. Yeah, you can probably touch the ground and squat right back up, right?

Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no issues. But I couldn't do that two years ago. That's amazing. I mean, it'd be understandable if his balls hit because he's 53 but his ass was actually touching so

what was the point so I got into bodybuilding originally because I liked the way I felt in my body when I did it and then I liked the way I looked right and then I

liked the image that it gave me. Yeah. But at some point in people's lives, it starts to die off. I see old bodybuilders, like a guy really I knew when I was young, Peter Kronovich, he just passed away. He owned Olympic Fitness back up in Canada. But he's, you know, you take Tom McGee. Yeah.

All these guys came out of the gyms that I worked at. You know, and. Tom McGee's still around, right? Yeah, I think so. He's still healthy. Yeah, he's still healthy. He switched things around quite a bit. Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, I've only met him, I've only seen him in the gyms,

met him a couple of times, but, you know, but he was an example of that crew of people when I was there. And yeah, there he is right there. He's a guy that I guess is worth pointing out. This guy was right with Bill Kazmaier when he was doing Strongman and stuff. Always an extremely athletic guy, but if you saw him now, he doesn't look anything like that. But he's tall and slender and very fit and is very mobile and those kind of things.

Yeah, I think he did pro wrestling and all kinds of stuff. I mean, there's a guy who took it and then made good out of it. That's why I want to bring him up. But he came out of Olympic fitness. And the people that were the big guys around when I was growing up, they were a little older than me. I was, I know, because I competed in the mid-80s. So the early 80s, it was really growing up. They were a little older than me. I was, I know, because I competed in the, I competed in the mid 80s. So the early 80s is when it was really blowing up.

And, but I looked back at those guys, you know, and just years ago, most of the people that I knew, they're completely dysfunctional. Bodies are broken, lives are broken. And I'm like, I just don't want to be like that. And I could see myself heading there fast. And I was out of pain with the, you know, with the clinic of the human garage. But I, but when I went on my first vacation

for two weeks, I was in pain again. And I'm like, oh, so I got all this way. I brought all these people along, convinced them that this is the best way to treat your body with all these modalities. And it worked. But the second I stopped performing, boom, I'm'm in pain again that's not a good way because eventually one day i won't be able to do that so that means that i'm just i'm just waiting for that painful moment can you describe a little bit of like the type of training that you were doing then were you doing like deadlifts and things like that and were you mixing in uh mobility work and stuff like that or you're talking 80s. Mobility work was like going to a buffet and circling it

three times. Right? It's like we didn't, there was no talk about mobility. Right. Yeah. So,

I mean, it's like the talk was don't move too much, too fast because, and if you stand on one leg

for 10 minutes, stand on the other leg because you want to be symmetrical. Yeah. I mean, the crazy kind of things we do,

I tell people bodybuilding wasn't sport, it was a mental discipline. And then when I got out, that's the training that I was habituated with because I did it as a kid. So I didn't know how to train another way.

I wasn't a good power lifter. I wasn't a good dead lifter. And that's why I fell into the squat is because my ego was up. So you were doing bodybuilding type stuff, and you had a following of people that were practicing some of that stuff with you, and you found that once you kind of discontinued that, you were still in pain. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, and so when my answer to get out of pain is exercise, but if I don't exercise, I'm in pain. That's a bad, and I recognize this in my late 20s. I'm like, oh, if I don't go to the gym like once, twice a week, you know, I got a couple of weeks and then my back's going to start going. So are you kind of pointing out that you shouldn't have to do anything?

Your body should be set up to be able to handle it, to be able to be pain-free without you having aches and pains? That was a belief, but now I'm living it. Right. And so what I do today is those fascial maneuvers. That's it. And, well, sorry, I do go out in nature.

We hike. We climb. You probably also, when you're just chilling and resting, you're probably not sitting in a chair for hours. You're probably not sitting on a couch for crazy amounts of time. I would assume that your resting positions are different from most people. Squatting on the ground, rolling around, I never sit still.

I'm always moving. So I'm the guy that, you know, you see me in a restaurant, I'll be going, yeah, I'm so serious. You know,

because I'm always looking for, for me, this been is to understand the body in a new way takes, um, it meant I have to disconnect with everything that I understood the body, the paradigms. And there's a lot of paradigms, a lot of beliefs about how the body works. And at the end of it, here I am in the clinical side,

and I'm not a doctor, first of all, but I practice at a high level. And I know a lot about what's going on because I took some of the best doctors worked alongside them. Here's what artificial intelligence told me is that in special, and what I noticed is that, at least at Human Garage, is that basically when you really look, you think that, at least at Human Garage, is that basically, when you really look, you think that we're doing a lot of different stuff, but really they do 15 to 20 things, is what they see, treat, and diagnose 80% of the time. So if you understand why that person came in,

what it looks like, what you did, and what worked, that's actually the practice of medicine. The knowledge of medicine was, I went to school, I got a degree in nutrition, become a doctor, whatever, a chiropractor. But then when you get into practice is when you really learn. So I learned the practice of healthcare,

not the education of healthcare, which is very, very different. It's like that in every industry. You go to work and you become an MBA and they go to work and then you really learn how to work. And so education and experience has been disconnected. We weren't brought up like this. This has only been around for the last 100 years.

And that's part of the education system, which is actually called the Denggang education system. So education system today was brought over by China for the industrial revolution. It was to separate the children from the parents as long as possible so you can indoctrinate them into a set of beliefs. And yeah, I mean, this is the reality of the world we live in. And you see it because here's one thing that's interesting. I just found out that my grandfather was actually a published author in his youth. We have this unpublished book that he wrote

and it was his experience coming to America, sorry, coming to Canada at 14 years old. From where? From England. From England, okay. Starting his new life, not with his parents. He's there learning about money, talking about buying food

and talking about what he's learning. And I'm like, first of all, it was written so eloquently. I mean, I could barely read it. It was so eloquently written because we're used to reading short text and stuff like that. And I had to take four or five. Matter of fact, I had to get Cynthia to read it to me because it just was, we've lost it.

That must have been amazing. It is. As a matter of fact, the more I think- It's been incredible to read that. It was. Because I'm saying a 14-year-old, I mean, I have, I'm looking around at 28, 29, 30-year-olds who don't know how to manage this stuff. And there's a 14-year-old learning and describing experience,

but the eloquence in which he did it, the communication levels. And today it's a LOL, you know, BRB. GTFO. Yeah. And so we, you know, we've lost. So the education system has been dumbed down and consistently over years. But here's what we think.

We think it's the best in the world. But have them read one of the old classic novels, somebody coming out of university today. It's hard for them to do that. And I'm not beating everybody up. There's lots of smart people. I'm just saying, and there's lots of geniuses that work their way through.

I'm just saying the generalized population. just saying and there's lots of geniuses that work their way through i'm just saying the generalized population and and um and so things have been shifted in the way that we perceive things in the world things have been uh have changed and we've had to adapt but adaptation over time we don't notice that's why that's why we measure things like like like if i it's like all of a sudden i'm eating a little too much and it's like, holy crap, I got fat. What happened? How did that happen? And because we don't notice those little incremental bits or changes because that's the way our brains are set up.

Our brains set up to not notice things. It's set up to move forward irrespective of the environment. And so what we've trained us is to move forward till we drop. And then when we drop, we go fix it. But I mean, go back to a car. If you only fixed your car every time it broke, I mean, go back to a car. If you only fixed your car every time it broke, I mean,

it'd be pretty shitty if you're working on your brakes one day and they go off and it's like, oh, it's time to fix their brakes but you're going down a hill at 110 miles an hour.

That's interesting what you said. Adaptation over time is something that you don't notice. And we have friends that have been on the show before,

bodybuilders and stuff like that. And they've said, like, you know, they go to the grocery store after they worked out and they kind of like, they're not even thinking. They're just like in a tank top and people are like, oh my God. And they're, you know, they're not even, they're thinking, oh, I'm kind of small actually right now. They're not noticing the adaptation as you pointed out.

Well, you know, the human brain does weird things. Like, so think about how a computer works. Our brain works like a computer. So when you go to a website, if that website's the same, every time I go back, it caches it, so it loads it faster. So I only notice what it does is it changes. If they change one pixel or one point, it just changes at one point, so it's speedier.

That's what our brain does too. We only recognize difference. And so if nothing's different, we don't notice the change until about three weeks, which is really a perception cycle times seven, which a perception cycle is three days, times seven perception cycles, three weeks. Then we go, oh, that's what happened. And that's why when we were training like athletes, like dieting, especially bodybuilders, first thing you do is take away their scale.

Because if they measure and they're not getting to their weight, they're going to mess it up, right? They're going to do something crazy. I mean, this is stuff that we learned in the 80s. So this is why also, this is why when I go look at you, if I see you all the time, I don't rebuild that picture. My brain automatically has it as a memory. And then if something changes, it's like, okay, what changed?

Is it your hair? Is it whatever? So we're dealing with these mechanisms of how we perceive the world. And this is where we get back into where we work with fascia. Fascia is about perception because there are things that we're meant

as the animal in us, the primitive side of us is habituated, eats, sleeps. It's very habitual in the nature. And it's either hot or cold. The primitive nature of us is, you know, it's basically, you know, they say fight or fuck. Yeah. Yeah.

But what stops us from fighting or fucking is the emotions that go, okay, calm down here. Don't have to fight this guy. Okay, that's the emotions. That's your midbrain. That's your limbic system. But then on top of that is the perception. And I was saying to you, if you perceive that your mother, your wife died,

your whole body goes into shock, whether it's true or not. And if I told you 10 minutes later that she didn't die and it was a mistake, then your body would start coming out of shock. But it's the perception which overrides the entire human experience. So if I perceive I'm, if I have a threat that I'm in a relationship and that relationship is going to end, like let's say a

woman with two kids and she perceives that she's going to be left. And so she's going to be in fight or flight all day, every day. It means not digesting. When we're in fight or flight, the blood leaves the core of the body and goes to the limbs and when it goes to the limbs it's no longer digesting and processing and stuff like that so I eat food

it's not processing I'm not absorbing it's creating waste which is toxic to our system yeah so so perception is super important

and you know the body feels the brain informs us of what that feeling is and that's how it works so perception is part of the neocortex which is the front front part of the brain informs us of what that feeling is and that's how it works so perception is part of the neocortex which is the front or front front part of the brain and and and perception is really important because we're talking about pain like you have a history of saying hey don't worry about pain and that's right because if you're going if you don't worry about it if i worry about pain that

two or three pain becomes a six or a nine. If I'm not worried about it, if I don't feel helpless, then that pain is less. So your statement was always true because that was your mechanism to get to where you go. You had a goal. 1,080 pounds or 1,086? 1,080. 1,088. 1,085 actually wiped me right out. Well, so basically what you're saying is you lifted the resolution on a basic plasma TV, 1080. 1080p. 1080p, yeah. So the perception is super important and managing perception is important and a lot of stuff goes into that. And that's part of what we teach, which is emotional awareness.

Because your perception, like if somebody comes up to me and I perceive a threat, all of a sudden I'm up there and I'm ready in my face. But if that guy is just a big guy who wants to help me and my perception is he's going to hurt me, I'm going to hear different things. The words he says are going to be different. You know, like your guys' generation grew up with Harry Potter. Yeah. Okay, who's the dude at the end that becomes, he was the evil guy?

Voldemort. Oh, Voldemort, yeah. Do not say his name. No, no, who's the guy at the end that was the he was the evil guy? Voldemort. Oh, Voldemort, yeah. Do not say his name. No, no, who's the guy at the end that was the good guy that everybody thought was the bad guy? Snape. Snape, yeah. Okay, so what it is is perception is snippets of time

because it's how we catalog and take memories and store memories. We don't actually, our brain doesn't work linearly. It works in experiences. And then we take those experiences and we attach them to a timeline to understand. So what they do is they create this picture of this guy, Snape, who's really bad. And then they come back in and say, he's a good guy. So now you have to go in your mind and go, oh, remember that? Remember that? Remember that? So perception rebuilds our reality

and then it informs our reticular activating system to what that reality is. And that reticular activating system then paints the way we see reality is. And that reticular activating system then paints the way we see the world. And if you don't believe you're going to see something or you believe you're going to see something or you don't, your brain is,

job of your brain is to prove what you perceive to be true. So that's why we get into all these arguments and fights because everybody has a perception. And in healthcare, I don't want to argue. I don't want to fight anymore.

Like I've had all the arguments, I've had all the fights. I just want to help people and help myself. And, and by doing that, it's changing language. It's like taking the edge off and stuff like that. I used to be very combative because I had the tools and I had the education practically to talk to people and I could fight anybody, you know, with, and they say, well, it's not that way. It's not, it's peer review says this. And I'm like, okay, well, here's 3,000 people that say differently. So where do we stop? And it's really just about a,

it's really big, just a big dick fest. Everybody's just swinging their dicks trying to prove that they're right. And at the end of it, the world is really, really, really sick right now. We're in every state of awareness, every disease in the history of mankind is at its peak.

Cancers, fibromyalgia, sex crimes, anxiety, depression. So what name, if you can, and I'm open to it, if you can tell me something and where we're doing better as humans right now than we were, let's say, 50 years ago or 100 years ago, I'll be open to hearing it. But I've looked at this and I've looked at the stats. The one thing people say is we're living longer

and that's not true anymore it's just that 13 years ago they took infant mortality out of the stat pool and so it looks like we are it's actually slowing down the rate

but here's one thing I noticed when I went into practice in I guess it was about 12 years ago here's a basic kind of thing these are anecdotal things like an 80 year old generally moved today an 80 year old generally doesn't move I guess it was about 12 years ago. Here's a basic kind of thing. These are anecdotal things.

Like an 80-year-old generally moved. Today, an 80-year-old generally doesn't move. And so if we forget about the science and all that, we just forget about what science is, what's happening with people, and we look around, we get a much different story. And what is it in science right now that we're saying,

or in the world that we're saying, this is exactly the way it should be that we're going to look back at in 10 or 20 years and say that was fricking stupid. Like when I was, I grew up in like, so you know, in Canada, lots of mosquitoes, like they're like clouds, like they could cover, they could literally cover the sun. And, um, and so we sprayed DEET on the side of the road. And as a kid, we used to run behind it and play in the fog. Oh, no. Well, yeah, because it was safe. And then, you know, I go back 50 years earlier and four out of doctors recommended camel cigarettes

because it's a healthy lifestyle. So, and, you know, like if you had an ulcer, you know, back 35 years ago, it was like because your life is too stressful, not because of a bacteria. And so that means you stop work, you can't do anything, you don't go out, you know, it's like, we make all these decisions in our world. And so I ask myself every day, what am I doing today that I'm going to look back on 10 or 20 years and say, that was fucking stupid. And that's the way I live my life. Because I've now, like I said, I'm just at the age where I'm old enough now to have looked

back and say that was stupid enough times that I don't want to do it anymore. And one of those things was the way I trained, the way I ate, the way I lived my life. How did you figure out that that was stupid? Well, you look back at it and it caused pain. It hurt somebody. It hurt me. How did you stumble upon like fascia and stuff like that? Like how did you stumble upon finding other means of uh of movement i guess okay so um

the first kumigraj wasn't the first out the door it was a rubenstein center dr david rubenstein phd brilliant guy he he was the grandfather of neuromuscular calibration he was a trainer one of the first trainers certified by ucla personal trainers back before there were personal trainers like in the 80s and the guy just found this way of using uh slow motion movement to adjust mechanics which is now it's it's i wrote an article called um pain and uh pain and dysfunction dysfunctional movement or sorry it doesn't matter yeah it's dysfunctional movement in adulthood, basically. And I compared all the different movement patterns that we're using,

because right now there's a lot of people putting patterns on to feel better. Like I'm going to change this pattern and change that pattern. And it works until you stop doing it. And then the pattern unwinds and then everything, because the body, we are meant to habituate everything that we do.

We're creatures of habit. We think that we're making conscious decisions, but the majority, 90% of the stuff we do every day is habitual. And we just believe that we're informed. And anybody who does online marketing knows that we don't even buy logically. We buy all emotionally. But the average person thinks they're making logical decisions.

There's a difference between being rational and rationalizing. And what do we have is we have everybody rationalizing why they made decisions rather than being rational in the decision process. And this is what's caused a lot of pain and dysfunction. So again, my study would be best said as, I looked at embryology, how we're born.

I looked at indigenous cultures, how we're born. I looked at indigenous cultures, you know, how they lived. So anthropology. And then from there, when you got those two, then it's like emotional psychology. And if you put those together, then you kind of get a view of the world in a different way. And you say, okay, look at where we're living today. Look where we're living back then.

And, you know, the great thing about today is that you could literally take your, actually, these kids do it today. They go to lectures at college. They don't get their education in college. They're getting it in YouTube quite often. Because you can go take it, you can get a quantum physics degree,

basically, without the degree, by going on YouTube. So the way that we're- There's a literal entire school based off of YouTube, right? I forget what, there's a famous guy that has a, anyway. Yeah. I think it's mainly- Khan Academy.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there you go. There you go, yeah. Yeah, so the idea is, is that you can learn, if you want to, you can learn anything that you want to learn. And that means, and you don't have to go to school to do it.

And practically the people who don't go to school are typically be the ones that are the entrepreneurs and the ones who change and move things because the school was meant to indoctrinate the way we think the process. And it just stopped. And it's not, again, it's not everybody who goes to school like this, but it's some people survive it. How did you know you were onto something? Like, did you work with somebody in particular and you're like, holy shit, this is something or was it? That's back to the story. Thanks for bringing back on. Dr. David Rubenstein. So we started off at the Rubenstein Center. It was the first therapy that got me out of pain. It's a movement-based therapy. And was it also like fascial-based? Did you talk a lot

about that? It was brain-body calibration that became neuromuscular calibration. And so, but at the time we thought we were working with muscles. Now I know differently in my belief system. Okay. We could argue about it, but. He's not around any longer. No, no, he is. He still has a Rubenstein Center, is which we created. And I learned so much from him.

He's one of the smartest men I ever met. And the guy was, the guy studied literally six to eight hours a day, every day about the body and the brain and the function. And he just tested. But he was, he didn't, he didn't have academic. He got his PhD afterwards, every day, about the body and the brain and the function. And he just tested. But he didn't have academic. He got his PhD afterwards. So he didn't go through the traditional academic route. So I started with him.

I had a really good, after coming out of prison, from a neurologist and a chiropractor in there, I got to see the other side, the movement side of it. So it rebuilt the way I saw the body. And then he got to this point where I remember distinctly, he said, um, I don't know what to do with you because I don't know what's next. And I know it's something to do with fascia. How long did you work with him by the way? Well, two years. Yeah. And, and I, and it wasn't pleasant. It wasn't nice. And, you know, I, I, I would like to apologize to him because I was, you know, I was hot out of prison. I was on a mission to fix me and fix the world.

So, um, so I didn't have the tolerance for it. I'm just like, if you don't, you're, you're in my way, get out of my way. I'm going to run you over. And, um, so, uh, but I learned from him and I wanted to bring in other modalities because I'm like, okay, I got this, but he got me here. I want other things, but then he didn't want other modalities. It was his, it was his name on the door. And so that's when the root, that's when the human garage started. And we just started literally in, um, um, in Venice, California, we started in a, in a garage

and, and, uh, an apartment I had, but we were, we were doing something was different. And I, you know, at the time I couldn't explain it, but we had a protocol built and it was addressing fascia in a different way. Kind of like, it would look more like a mashup between ART and Rolfing. What was the year that you were there? 2012, 13. Okay.

So we had, but what happened was I'm in Venice, California. All of a sudden I cut this one guy's hair, or sorry, cut this one guy's hair. I helped this one guy with his back who was a hairdresser. And his clients were like celebrities. So all of a sudden I had Brandon Rolfe who you've seen through our history. He's Superman right after,

the first one after Christopher Reeves. Oh shit. So he's coming to my apartment and then Katie Lotz and then all these famous celebrities are coming to apartment in Venice to get fixed. And you can only do that in Venice, right? Because everywhere else you have to have the building.

So we were, so we had this little apartment going and, and we took out all the furniture, 800 square feet. We had three rooms and, or actually two rooms and the main room and a kitchen. And what we did is we did treatment from 6am to 10pm and we did that six days a week. Wow. Yeah. And it was just a learning lab.

And then eventually it's like, this is crazy, man. We got to go. I mean, we were doing $75,000 to $100,000 a month of treatment out there. And then so we went and got a space, Baba Bikram's Yoga. It was really, really great. The girl who gave us the space at the time. And we built the first human garage, which was, again, it looked like a living room. It didn't look like a clinic.

And we wanted to feel, because with people, if they feel comfortable, their body's relaxed, you're going to get better results. But if it feels like a clinic, you're not going to. So it's all about perception again. So these were little things that we just did because they felt right to us. We didn't have any reason to do it other than it felt right. Was it on Abbot Kinney by any chance? At the end of it, it was on Abbot Kinney. I've seen it before. Yeah, right at the end of it, right at Washington Abott Kinney. I've seen it before. Yeah, right at the end of it,

right at Washington Abbott Kinney. It was upstairs. And so all of a sudden, next thing you know, we had a waiting list. We had people coming in. And so we've had a waiting list since 2014. And then we did a podcast with Ben Greenfield. I wasn't doing any media or any interviews

because I didn't have anything to say. I'm not a specialist. I'm not a doctor. I didn't have anything to say. I'm not a specialist. I'm not a doctor. I didn't have anything to say. So I just was fixing people, helping them, what am I going to say? Eventually we did an interview with Ben Greenfield and then all of a sudden 2,900 people

were on our waiting list. But that was really disappointing because now you have 2,900 people that you can't help because it took us a year to get through 900 of them. Yeah. At that time. And then as we ramped up and scaled and all that, then we're like doing three to 5,000 appointments a month.

Things changed. But I realized a couple of things in that process. It was like the way that we, you know, like if someone's going to come and see you in a clinic, you're going to spend 3% of your, if they're going to come in three times a week, 3% of their weekly hours are allocated to you, but 97% are allocated to the same shit,

the lifestyle that got them in that shit in the first place. So if they don't change that lifestyle, even if I'm the best guy in the world, eventually it's going to fail. And this was the problem. So we needed something to do at home. And people would have, they wanted to be fixed. And they have 20 years or 30 years of dysfunction.

They come in and they want you to fix it in four sessions or five sessions. And then they complain about it. And when they're on the table complaining about your price, which is so expensive, they talk about going to some retreat for a weekend for like $9,000. And they paid you $3,000 for 12 weeks of your time, which was 24 hours of managed time. And I just thought that the scales were wrong. People did.

And what dawned on me is people generally don't like to pay to fix stuff, but they like to pay to perform. So they'll pay anything to perform and nothing to fix. And so again, this is all psychology. And we had to get people off of that psychology because that was the problem. We want people, if you, like working out,

we were talking about it, if you do a little bit every day, like how did you get to that squat? You didn't just come in three times a week. You did a little bit every day. And the people that are even doing a little bit every day in their performance life, they don't want to apply that same philosophy

to their healing life. That's where the problem goes. So this is actually, I want to ask you this real quick because before you were mentioning how you were exercising and you were lifting and then you went on vacation, you got back into pain because you stopped doing it. Now, it makes a lot of sense that you probably want some type of practice that you can do on a daily basis, even if you're a gym goer. You want something else outside of that, because if there ever comes a time that you don't have a gym and that's the only thing you got. else outside of that, because if there ever comes a time that you don't have a gym and that's the only thing you got, well, if that's the only place where you do some type of variable movement, then when you don't have it and when you're not doing it, of course, you're going to end up in

pain. But you know, with everything that we're doing and we talk about, you have to, you're never going to stop doing it. Like there's no, there's no way, like with the stuff that you've shown us, you want people to be doing some of those practices on a daily basis up until the time that they die. Because you don't want them to, they do it, they feel good, and then they stop doing it for weeks or months. If they stop doing it, they're probably going to, my assumption, and maybe I'm wrong, is that they're probably going to end up in pain again. So with these practices, isn't the goal to build something that you can do and not stop? Like there's, there's such a low barrier of entry that you can keep doing it. Right. Right. So, so that's why we, these are simple practices. There's things that can be done in minutes. Like, uh, like, so in, in, and like I'm standing in line at a grocery store,

you know, I'm standing, uh, I standing, I'm bending down to pick up something. I'll put my arm over there and go like that. It becomes a movement lifestyle. Incorporate it. Right. Now, if I incorporate those little movements into my life, then all of a sudden I never have to go to a gym again. I never have to go to a clinic.

I never have to. And then if I do, it's because I want to. Mm-hmm. And I'm doing it in a completely different spirit, which changes the result. Yeah. That makes sense. But like, you know, for a lot of people, the gym is to gain strength, gain muscle. It also allows you to maybe do some type of mobility with load. Right. But, you know, a lot of the stuff that we do outside of working on the gym, we are constantly moving. We've built a habit constantly moving. We've built a habit of

moving. We've built a habit of changing our resting positions. These are things that we can do without the gym, which is why even when I can probably say for each of us, even when we're not in the gym, because you travel all the time and you don't always have a gym, but you're feeling good. Right. And you're continuing to feel better even outside of the gym. So it's like these things that we talk about, it's not just like, you know, you go to a chiropractor, you get adjusted, you feel good for a few days, and then he comes back and you have to go to the chiropractor again. Like conceptually, all the things that we talk about should become a part of your lifestyle, despite whatever the fuck it is that you're doing. Yeah, that's right. I mean, we're like, we're hardwired to move. And then when we break, we fix.

It just doesn't make sense. it's like um so we like for example on here's here's something that's actually true like if you get a flu and a fever you're not sick your actually body's technically healing so so that means that if that's my body healing then what am i healing from my lifestyle which was sickness so it's about just flipping the switch. You talked to me about it during the pandemic. It was about flipping the conversation in my head. I want to flip the conversation so that I'm not saying that I'm detoxing when I have a flu or have a cold.

I would walk in downtown Davis, which is a really nice area to begin with during the pandemic. And I was like, this is fucking awesome. There's nobody out here. It was just me. It felt great. I mean, it was weird. Weird, but good. It was weird not to smile at people and see people. I like seeing people too, but it was just different. I'm like, I'm just going to enjoy this. This is different. Yeah. Yeah. And so, so the, it's really about changing the way we perceive things because I mean, what I said is technically true. It's your body healing yourself. So I had a

fundamental belief that the body was designed to heal itself. It's your body healing yourself. So I had a fundamental belief that the body was designed to heal itself. That's what we're here to talk about really today. And like if you cut yourself and you put a band-aid on, does the band-aid heal you? No. No. It's giving it extra space for your body to do something.

It's like making a bit more comfortable. It's like putting a chair, a pillow under you when you sit down. So if the body, and if we take your liver, and it's not in good shape, but we can cut it in half, and cut half of this necrotic liver, and it grows back in six months. So my question was, well, if a necrotic liver will grow back,

when liver being the second most complex organ in the body by any definition, then shouldn't every organ grow back? And why don't they? And how do we know if they do? If I have one removed, am I going back and checking? There's all these things that we just make assumptions about that just don't make sense. And if something doesn't make sense, I can agree that we don't know things and agree that I don't know things. But if I'm interested in it, I'm going to test it, feel it in my body. I'm going to experience it.

Like I had this whole belief about, this burgeoning belief about food because I would put people on diets. And I knew they were following the diets, but they didn't have the result. And then why? And then I put some people eating like crap and all that, and they got results irrespective. And then I had people that were literally like on their deathbed, had to follow a diet and, you know, wouldn't do it. I mean, it's, it's just so bizarre. So I wanted

to prove that because you've heard the phrase food is medicine, right? So I wanted to prove that. So the, during the pandemic, Cynthia, Jason, myself, we decided to go on a fast. And so we went on and we didn't know how long we just fast fasted. And we ended up 44 days. No water too, right? No, I did no water for two weeks. You did no water for two weeks. Yeah. So what happened was, I'll get into that.

Because when the fascia opens up, it creates a whole different relationship with water. And all I wanted to know is what the truth was. And the only way I can validate the truth is do it myself. Because I can't believe the science anymore. It doesn't matter where I go. It doesn't matter what topic I talk about. There's going to be two APHDs on either side,

both with peer reviews. And they're going to argue the shit out and then one of them is going to become more dominant thought process. So the only way to really know is to actually test it yourself. And then I'm, so I'm back to my bodybuilding days. Here, let's try this. And let's see, I mean, how many stupid things have we done to our bodies over the years?

Hey, what happens if we do this? And I've had some real ones that are like, holy shit, I never gonna do that again. Pat Rodger, family, how's it going? We talk about sleep all the time on this podcast. That's why we partnered with Eight Sleep Mattresses. Now this mattress is the Tesla of sleep. It's the Tesla of beds.

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And I don't want to be in the argument of fascia. So I'm not here to pretend I know fascia. I'm going to tell you this. I have changed my definition of what fascia is at least 20 times in the last decade. And so at some point, there's just common sense that kicks in and says, okay, I'm never going to really know. And I'm not going to stop wasting my time. If you have your cell phone, right? Do you know that? Do you know what chip is in it?

What provider, what kind of antenna use? They don't, but you know how to use it. So it's time to stop worrying about what's, what's inside of it and how to program it. What we are is experts at programming the fascia. So we have a working definition of fascia. We're rebuilding our site and stuff like that. And we're going to get this a bit more organized, but we have a working definition of fascia. We're rebuilding our site and stuff like that. And we're going to get this a bit more organized. But we have a definition that we use of fascia right now. And what it does is it seeks to explain what we see in real life. Because what happens is at the end of it, we've been working with this therapy that started working,

but we had no science to back it up. There is no science to back what we do up. There's results. So, so, so, so right now what we're, what we've been, what we spent the last two years is trying to get a theory as to why it worked. And even then we can't get it. So we just decided to give up. And I don't care. I don't, if you guys can figure out what fashion is, you come, you just keep telling me and I'll just keep changing it. So you guys do the work. You have the arguments, you fight,

you do all that stuff. I'm just going to learn how to use it better every day and learn how to live in it. So these are, these are what I could say is we have a fluid adaptive biological computer. And, and like any other computing system, it's a multi,

it's a multi-platform, multi-discipline system. It has multif-functions. And it's an interdependent system model. It means that if one thing happens, everything else has to adapt around it. So if we forget about the human body and we just look at mechanics and other things, because I come from the world of encryption, so I use ciphers or comparisons. So I go over and say, well, let's look at something like a computer and say, how does the computer work? So then how does our body look like and act like a computer?

Because everything is designed off, all technology is designed off of the function of a human body or something in nature. There's no technology that is designed that's not of a function of nature that I know of. I mean, there might be, and if there is, again, please come and tell me. I'm always interested to learn. I'm always interested to know. But it's really about right now, it's like, who gives a shit about the argument anymore? I just want to live my life. I want to have fun. I want to move in my body and I want to show other people how to move. I want to

get back in nature. And it's what we're doing right now. We're running around like kids. We're climbing mountains. We're swimming in mountain lakes. I guess a better type of question is why is it important that people start focusing on what you're talking about in terms of fascia? Okay, so basically think about it this way. When a baby's born, it's a little ball of plasma. We grow in it. So everything grew in that. So it's a component of everything,

including your bones. So fascia, we are fascia. Everything is fascia. And it covers your organs, covers everything in your body, right? Yeah, absolutely. So itcia, we are fascia. Everything is fascia. And it covers your organs, covers everything. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So it's not covering, it is. The bones, muscles, tissue, none of the bones in the body touch except for the rib cage, the teeth and ears. So bones cannot be structured. Structure touches. This is structure, nailed together. If we touch, we're in pain. So it's not structured. So then what is structure and what are bones? Those are the questions. If we touch, we're in pain. So it's not structured. So then what is structure and what are bones? Those are the questions. And we covered that yesterday. We have a completely different

belief on how bones work and why they work and stuff like that. And we can take some, a hundred little anecdotal tests that'll have you going, whoa, I never thought of it that way. And that's all we want. Because if I change your experience and your belief, then you move and have a different result. That's what happened when Roger Bannister broke the four minute mile is that they believed that you couldn't do it. He changed, he, he changed it through a result. Now the whole world believed. And now we have all the scientists saying why it worked. So it's time. It's like, it's people like you. And as people like you that are leading the charge, science can document why it works and they can come back and tell us, and I'm okay with that. And they can tell us all I want

and they can tell me I'm wrong too. I live in my body and I can tell you this, when they're hurting, they'll come looking. And that's really the truth. So it's how I live and show up in this suit. So people should learn about, and think about this. So if the container is fascia, that means your muscles, bones, tendons, nerves,

and organs live inside of it. Fascia is also emotional and perceptual. Because if I told you, like I said, back to the example, if I told you your wife died, all the systems, your fascia, everything contracts. The nervous system contracts, everything. And we have enough science to show you that. So that means that the perception

is the highest state of awareness. So if we're not training perception, then we are not really training the body. So naturally you do it to get to where you are, but you're just doing that. That's the way to do it. But when we were working with Tyson Gay, he's probably out there,

probably going to hear this. And boy, can you call me again? He was one of my favorite athletes ever. And he is the fastest man in the world besides who is it? I want that guy to come here and teach us how to run. That's the least he could do, right? Hey, Tyson, Tyson, Mark Bell wants you to run. Yeah, so he's a really-

Incredible athlete. And humble, humble, most humble human being I've ever met. You know, went through a lot of crisis. His daughter was shot outside in Kentucky. Oh, God. It was accidentally. And so we got him ready for the 2016 Olympics. This is the one.

He just looks fast. Yeah, watch him run. He's built. Which lane is he in? You'll see. Just watch, yeah, you'll see. Here he goes, here he goes. Oh, there we go.

Look at him run. He is a machine. He's a locomotion. Okay, now show Tyson. And then one of the things you can look at is, you see in Bolt. Let's see it one things you could look at is Usain Bolt. Let's see it one more time. Just because it's fun again.

So you watch, he is built like a horse and his legs and that guy, look at it. He is like a piston. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He's one of the fastest spinners of all time, right? Yeah, he was. The only person to ever beat him. What was that speed?

Nine, six, three or something. I don't know. Fucking hell, man. Look at this. Nine, six, eight. Nine, six, eight. or something. Look at this. 9.68. 9.68. Come on. That's illegal.

Yeah. So he's one of the fastest of all time. Now, Hussein Bolt beat him. Watch his face here, though. I want to see this. Because you were mentioning the muscle runner versus the fascial runner. And if you could actually explain to us what you were talking about. Okay.

So watch him do it one more time. The last little bit, that view is really good. I got to slow that down. Okay. That looked really good. Yeah. So, so, um, watch, watch him run. He's like a piston.

He's like pistons firing in an engine and watch him come up here. Boom. Look at those quads fire. He's just. That might be some of the best like technique I've seen by three guys running right next to each other that I've ever seen in my life.

Unbelievable. They're, they're pretty similar. Yeah. Now, now basically that's what I call muscles, skeletal running. Like it's really dominant muscles.

One of the things that we had when we came in, he had a cracked metatarsal and we were changing the way that he positions or runs, like what foot leads and stuff like that. Cause had to rebalance the hips so basically uh this guy was just just driving as a piston and then when you watch hussein bolt run um if you have anything do you have anything do you know how many steps he took by a chance you know some of that stuff no i'm i was just i would just imagine that hus that Usain Bolt maybe takes a little less... I mean, he's 9,000 feet tall.

Hey, watch him walk. He walks like he runs. But he's very... He's just so fluid. He looks like he's floating. Yeah, but watch Usain Bolt. Usain Bolt is... He's going like this.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Usain Bolt is... He's looking around. So Hussein Bolt is, you know, has, Tyson is focused. Boom, boom, boom, piston. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Hussein is just kind of like this. And so he's the fastest man on the planet running muscle skeletal.

Now watch Hussein. And I love how Hussein plays with people. He like looks at them sideways and watch this guy. Yeah, this is actually both of them on the same track. Oh, is it? Yeah, this is where... Okay. Yeah, they're doing a 200.

Yeah, okay, watch this. Now watch Usain, here he comes. Oh, he's going to get beat. Oh, he did. Yeah, he's done. Where's the one he won? Yeah, this was a young Usain Bolt. Hey, nice.

Oh, yeah, that was. Hey, you know what? You credit yourself no matter where the guy is in his career. Yeah, listen, you know, that's the whole thing is these guys are incredible athletes. So much respect for them. He actually was wearing a Humigras shirt in his New York Times interview. No way. Yeah, that's great.

That's sick. Yeah, New York Times did a story on him before the 60s. He's wearing a Humigras shirt. I was really, really proud. He's a super cool guy. But when we see Hussein Bolt run in current. Yeah, very springy. Yeah, very springy.

We found a 200 of you saying. Okay, look at this. Yeah, his whole rib cage moves around and stuff. It's pretty wild. Rib cage moves. Okay, there you go. This goes like this on him. There's a whip to it.

Yeah, look at that. It's a whip. It's a whip. Not that it doesn't do it with the other athletes, but his is just. But look at him. There's a whip to it. Yeah, look at that. Look at this, it's a whip. It's a whip. Not that it doesn't do it with the other athletes, but his is just- But look at it, it's a whip. He's dancing. And so you have Tyson who is built like a tank

and the legs running, and you have Usain like whipping. And so I would look at these two runners and as I started working with Fasha, this is an example that got me to understand it a different way it might you know and you can maybe make an argument like it might be a mistake for someone like tyson gate to try to relax too much because maybe he's got to like do what he's got to do well his butt his must his just like um just like the slingshot really

it's tightening up your fascia to get that that spring yeah that's what he is he's a spring loaded runner so one of the things that we had to be careful is to not to take away the spring. So he has some stiffness in him, maybe a little bit that he's able to bounce off of. Right. In that direction. But at some point, what will win over that is

the whipping of the fascia, the movement, the body. So life is movement. If performance is movement, if I want to restrict your body, I did this to you earlier. If I, if I grab your shirt here, Mark, and pull it and then ask you I missed that. Oh man, that

last runner, just watch the guy in red. I went back too far. You went back too far. He's slowing down. I think it's this one. Watch the runner in red. He's like, okay, that's a spring that's wound up here and the inertia is unwinding there.

So the thing is, and I guess, again, there's no proof of what I'm saying. I'm just making an observation based on working on a guy who's like a spring-loaded machine. And I'm looking at Hussein, who currently holds the record, and Hussein is literally just, he's just whipping. So the idea is,

and back to what I was saying, if I grab your shirt here, Mark, and you go lift up your arm, that's restricted. I'm stuck, yeah. So that means I have to drive more energy to make that movement. So if I want to increase my power, I reduce the restriction to increase my output.

Okay. So that's another way to do it. I don't always have to force more power. I just reduce the load that I'm pushing against. It's like when you're a swimmer or cars, we get the more aerodynamic. So more aerodynamic in the body is less restriction. A couple of things you showed us, just grabbing the skin. I'm just taking my left hand, I'm putting it on my right tricep.

And if I literally just grab and pull the skin, and I just kind of start to move my arm around, and then as you're saying, maybe squat or just move in a bunch of different directions and positions, it feels like it really relieves a lot of tension in there. It just seems like, again, it seems so simple. Like we can address it ourselves. And once you start to mess with this. It just seems like, again, it seems so simple. Like we can address it ourselves and once you start to mess with this stuff and you're like, oh, actually that feels

pretty good. Yeah. And how do you guys like it today? I think you start to get addicted to it. Yeah, how do you guys feel after like two days of playing around with it? How do you feel? I liked it a lot. Yeah. What do you think? I dug it a lot. There's an aspect of it where it, number one, you know, all the things that you do you're giving to people.

So you're giving people the practical abilities to be able to do some of this to themselves. But then there's also another aspect where quite literally there are things that and sensations that one has probably never felt or purposefully done to their body since they were a child. Like when you were talking about the twisting and then the moving against and the pulling, people don't just do that to themselves each day. They don't touch themselves in that way the same thing when we were doing those certain things with the feet and digging into the feet with our other foot like these are things and areas that people don't amazing right it did so so the question is how do you guys touch yourself very vigorously and aggressive and i sometimes cry when i do it but at the same time like you know there there are other things i'm actually curious about your viewpoint because for example

kelly stirret he he you know supple leopard he got people into smashing yeah he got people i don't know him personally by the way but but what he did is he kind of he was one of those people who started popularizing smashing right and and tools, but also like using other things to just really grind different parts of your body against it to get some myofascial release. And even using a super friend, your buddy. Even using a super friend to do the same thing. And Chris Kodowski also came by and he talked about utilizing tools to smash and get into those things.

Now, that's cool, But there, since there are tools involved, um, sometimes people have to get certain tools. Uh, but I think like these two things work really well together because there are a lot of things that you can do on your own. There are a lot of ways that you can do this just with your body. But I'm curious, what is your thoughts on like when, like things that Kelly and Chris, and there are other people that talk about like using harder objects like this ball we have here, you know, this, this thing, right. I'm using on the bottom of my feet. And then there's a smaller one that we're using to smash other places.

What do you believe that that does? Do you believe it's beneficial? Do you believe it's not beneficial? What are your thoughts on it? I mean, listen, if it makes you feel better, there's a benefit to it. Okay. If you feel better and there you have a benefit over time better, there's a benefit to it. Okay. If you feel better and you have a benefit over time, then there's a trade-off or a consequence, no matter what you do repetitively. So there are things that work. And when the body's tighter, you need more force initially.

That's the thought process. But what we found was in the maneuvers, what we're doing is we're actually, we're using some, let's just say, innate intelligence of the body, we think. I mean, again, there's no science behind this. I'm just going to tell you what I believe, okay? So when I, into that totally twisted, right, like this, when I turn, first of all, I'm locking up and restricting my lungs

because I'm twisting and restricting my lungs. So the breath, the body has priority matrix. Like, I'm going to restricting my lungs. So the body has priority matrix. Like I'm going to breathe before everything else. So my breathing system will override any other tension system in my body so I can breathe to stay alive. So I feel that we're restricting the lungs because if you do this right now, wrap up, guys, and then twist your body and turn your head,

and then feel your lungs. It's a little bit hard at first and as you breathe it gets softer so what it looks like is happening it looks like because the lungs are restricted and they have first priority the body's finding a way to accommodate that priority or adapt to it because that's an adaptive adaptive state it's not a stress state it doesn't body knows it's not threatening because i'm hugging myself like it knows i mean if you're twisting my body and i'm not it's going to start to fight if somebody starts to twist me on a fight but if i'm doing it and that that feature is something it's called colloidal discharge it's

like you can't tickle yourself if and somebody's ticklish you know we know, we're doing therapy on them. Like if you're ticklish, what we do is we get them to put their hand on the ribcage or wherever they're ticklish. Because what happens, it tells the brain that you're involved in it. It's not involuntary. So if it's voluntary, the brain goes, okay, let's see what it is.

Quick question about that. The perception aspect of things. Because I think there's a lot here that has to do with the way one perceives something. So, for example, everybody knows the supernova that Kelly made years ago. But when I first started, like smashed my hamstring on my IT band on that, right? I, you know, even in his book, he mentioned, don't make a pain face. It's going to feel uncomfortable. Don't make a pain face.

don't make a pain phase. It's going to feel uncomfortable. Don't make a pain phase. And one thing is when you feel it, but then you don't, like initially the thing is people want to stop breathing. They want to hold their breath. They don't want to breathe through it.

But when you allow yourself to relax, when you actually make sure that you're continuously breathing through it, even initially it becomes easier. And then over time of doing it, using some hard objects on different muscle groups, despite, you know, it gets much easier. And then over time of doing it, using some hard objects on different muscle groups, despite, you know, it gets much easier. And then when you, you mentioned the thing about the individual's bodies being tight, they need more resistance. I've met people who like,

they were flexible and they've never done any type of smashing stuff. And because it was something new for them, it was still painful because they've never done it before. Well, so that's the pain response. Like what is pain? Pain is something that the body, it's new to the body, it doesn't like, or it's something it doesn't like. It's out of experience. But if I like it, if I've done it over time, then the pain becomes like, oh, great, you're for it. So the body doesn't like to be intruded upon by our brains or our thoughts.

It likes to be in cooperation with us. So if the body's in cooperation, it's going to work with us. And whether you roll on a ball that's hard, listen, do whatever you got to do to make it loose. But here's what I want you to do. Just go to our YouTube channel, try a maneuver, try like a hip release and stuff like that, and see if you can do it without the same kind of force and power and stuff like that.

It's like we get so addicted into one set of thought process of what one will work. We stop investigating. I'm just a kid still. I'm still pulling and yanking on stuff. You want to feel something really good? You guys can't do it. Grab your hair. We have videos on this.

And twist and pull. You got to exclude us like all three of us well we we we haven't tried it yet but we thought a plunger might work oh yeah i'm saying receiving gloves will work for everything that we did today just the real sticky gloves for catching a football take a plunger on top of the head yeah actually no actually you're right because what we're you know one of the things is we do want to make tools, but the problem with the tool- Pause. Weren't people on TikTok doing that shit? Yeah. Weren't women on TikTok going like, and you would hear that sound?

Probably. Yeah, that was a TikTok trend for a minute. What the fuck are they doing? Do you know? I don't know anybody who doesn't TikTok, even us. Y'all got millions of followers on that platform. Yeah, and actually, well, that's the only platform we focused on, but you know, like our Instagram is starting to blow up right now,

but that's just because we're putting a lot of focus there. We have a message that works at people. It was irrespective of what people think or don't like. If they don't like us, great. Go find us somewhere else. We've got the same guys who come on every time. That's bullshit.

I'm like, at what point do you just get bored of like calling us bullshit and calling us out? You know, there's a, there's a whole point where we just got to try, we got to experience. And we've been taught to be afraid of our bodies. It's like, ooh, is that safe? Can you really do that? I mean, come on.

These things are literally, they're virtually indestructible. The amount of shit I've done to my body over the years, the amount of stuff I've done that's not good for it, and I'm still here and I'm getting healthier every day, that means that it will repair itself. So we got to go back to when we were kids, we have this Superman complex because we haven't got hurt enough yet.

But if you have a way to get unhurt, then all of a sudden the hurting isn't so bad. Like I'll give you an example. I grew up scuba diving. And so everybody's jumping off a cliff. I went off a cliff once into the water and it's like smashed my feet. And it's like, I mean, I'm, cause I'm still a big guy.

I'm still like 230. I'm like, there's never a way I'm doing that again. So then we're up on the cliff, everybody's there. I'm in my big old wetsuit. Somebody pushes me over and I hit the water. I'm like, oh, that was easy. You know, so it's like,

then all of a sudden I'm confident again and I want to do more. And I'm like, let me back up there because, you know, if we feel confident that we're not going to get hurt or if we get hurt, we can get out of it,

then we'll do more. And I'll tell you one thing that happened in this last two years is I, we're climbing up this thing called Shannon Falls. And sometimes you'll see in our media, climbing these big falls and the waterfalls. It's just like a gym there. It's unbelievable. When you guys come up, I'll take you, it will, it will change your whole perception of what movement therapy is. And, and, um, we were, we were there and we've been doing fascial maneuvers and I'm finally feeling good in my body, but I'm feeling confident in the fact that I know how to fix my own body. And I don't like to ask other people. I feel bad. I feel guilty almost when I have to ask somebody else to help me.

I'd like to just do it myself. And if I have to ask somebody else, I probably won't do it. So we were coming down the falls and then, boof, I tripped and I went for a head first 10 feet into this pool and onto a rock. And Cynthia and Jason were sitting there saying, oh, this might be over. And my initial thought this time, as I'm doing it, because when you have that crisis, slow motion, you start to, you can actually, quarter know, quarter seconds you can actually, you can

actually talk about when you're in that kind of a crisis. And I'm rolling. And the only thing I'm thinking of at first thought was, oh, this is going to fucking hurt. And then I'm like, we can fix it. And because of that, I landed on my head at 10 feet, no concussion, nothing else, no body damage at all. I got up, I went, I never had any injury.

So that would have, had I had that injury and had I gone to a hospital or had I been laid up for months, I probably would have a lot of fear going back to climb again. So the fact that I knew that I could is what made me loose and made the fall because if I think I'm going to tighten up.

You've heard the story of a drunk guy driving a car and three other people in the car. He crashes. He goes out the window. Everybody else dies but him because he's so loose. He's not conscious of it. So when we're not resisting, we don't break. It's the resistance that breaks us.

We are very elastic as human beings. And what's holding us together, even now, it's like when a body like freshly dies, it doesn't automatically, it automatically goes soft and then it goes into rigor mortis. But it's like you can lift everything up. And what's interesting too is my legs hadn't really changed much in weight,

but when I removed the restrictions, they felt lighter to us on a table because there's less restriction to lift. What are you talking about there? Oh, sorry. We're talking about the restriction. One of the ways of seeing this is that I was laying on a table and we were training practitioners and I was training Jason and Cynthia, stuff like that.

But when the restriction went away, you lift a leg, there's a certain weight to it. But when you take away the restriction, the weight goes away because we're lifting restrictions. So if we can move the restrictions in our body, we just move easier, softer, better, use less energy. And, you know, think about this. Even if I was to like pull you on your shirt,

like I did to Mark there, and you walked around like that for 12 hours, that would cause an effect on your body. You do that for for you you know you do that for 12 hours a day for you know um for a month you're going to have something mechanical change and so the idea is is that we've become we we're in these in these uh these suits these fluid adaptive biological computers and if they're restricted we have to write programs to move over the restriction and use hormonal energy to do that, which hormonal energy is what ages us. It's like, it's like when your hormones fire, that's when you get really tired. Now you can feel this when they have an emotional conversation, right? So you're talking to somebody and as you get all

angry or sad or like that, and after it's like, oh man, I just got a crash. Yeah. Yeah. So when you mentioned hormonal energy, is that like, you know, you're just talking to someone who talks too much and they just literally fatigue you? Is that what you're talking about? Like something like that? No, like an argument with your spouse or your mom. It's very heated.

Or even just a novel conversation, you know, meeting somebody new. You know, sometimes when you start talking with someone new. Those are just energy vampires. Yeah. I'm just saying like that can kind of fatigue you. Like going to like a trade show or something. Right.

And it does. And I was only joking, but yeah. Yeah, because you have to think a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Thinking a lot. Yeah. So thinking, so these, it's the emotions.

Because when I'm thinking, trying to figure something out, you get adrenaline going on and off and oxytocin, serotonin. It's like a little chemical cocktail your body's producing. But if I have a really good emotional situation with a parent or with a child, they're hurting or something like that, it just drains me. Oh yeah. So, so, but why is it the emotions draining you? Like I can go run and work all day long and then one emotional thing and I'm off. This is another part. It's like. But quick question about that. Wouldn't that just be your perception of it? Because like I've had conversations and stressful conversations with individuals, but like, I think that there's, there's a level of, okay, how much are you going to take on to

yourself? Like, yeah, you want to be in the conversation related, et cetera. But like, there's a, there's a way that some people perceive stress and whenever they like, I know people who they're like, oh, if I have a conversation with these people, I go home and I feel so whatever this, that. And I know other people who have the same types of things and they're good. Right? So, I mean, I wonder. Here, does angry or happy take more energy?

They both take the same. Okay. So here's something that's, that's true. So the chemical cocktail, what we have is an experience in our body. So adrenaline, sorry, sorry. Anxiety true. So the chemical cocktail, what we have is an experience in our body. So adrenaline, sorry, sorry, anxiety and excitement are the same chemicals. Yes.

But your perception tells you which one to go towards. Love and anger, same chemicals. Perception tells you which one, confidence and fear, right? So basically we get presented with an array of hormones and then we make the decision how it is. But either way, those hormones are fired. Yes. And the hormones is what the body

is now recovering from because then you've got all those hormones which are drugs in your system and then your body has to work them out in whichever way, depending on what they are. So that's, that's the whole point.

It is all perception. And this whole thing about, you know what, the one thing I, I, I laugh at the most, you go, people like will come in,

the clinics are like busted and they're like, they're not walking and then you get them walking, they're walking fine, but what if it's placebo? And I'm like, no, I get this all, I get this every day. I'm like, dude, you weren't walking, now you're walking, do you care?

Like, what is it that you're like, and because, and it's not, these are not bad people. They've been taught and fed this line that it's a placebo. It has to be this. It's part of indoctrinating a society into a belief system about how the body works. And the belief system right now is that we're incapable. There's a few people that are capable and we're beholden to them.

Yeah, fuck that, honestly. Yeah, exactly. Because here's what it is. Most of those people, like I had 1500 of some of the world's best practitioners as my own personal clients. And a lot of the celebrities, like everybody from Ben Affleck to, every guy you imagine have been through the human garage

at some point. And what I found is like, even these like gurus and leaders in sports and behind the scenes, it's not what you see. And I was so sick with the disingenuous behavior these like gurus and leaders and sports and it behind the scenes, it's not what you see. And I was so sick with the disingenuous behavior of the media and the presentation. That's why you see us in the, in our videos,

you see us like doing, you see me not dressed up and crap shit going on. And, and even in our own, cause, cause what we do on social media is just to get people's attention. Cause behind the scenes, we have a whole community of maybe a hundred000 people around the world in the last year practicing.

But we practice and we talk about beliefs and how it works and nutrition and sex and life and kids and all that. Because people need help because the fathers and the mothers have been absent for a long time. And society needs help with basics and basic understanding. So we have this network of, of about maybe 30% practitioners, about 40 to 50% kind of everyday people and about the rest of it, athletes and performance and stuff like this. We have a network all around the world of people that are in these communities

helping each other so that, so that if you have a question and it's about a disease, they get a diagnosis. I'm scared to shit. Well, you got a doctor over here that goes, Hey, actually don't worry about that.

I've been doing this. I've been doing work in this. You can use this. Here's the fascial maneuvers. Here's how you reduce your stress. We got you. And we're building a network of people that want to help people be better. And all of this is free of charge. And the only thing that we ask when people come into our

networks is that when they learn, they help others. And that's how we measure it. That's how we, and by the way, so we have these programs. The 28 day full life reset is our primary thing. It's our tool. It says using the human habituation cycle of 28 days and getting people to focus and think about their bodies and their health and their perceptions. And we take them through our belief in the body. And this is our belief. You can have whatever belief that you want to have. It's our belief.

And if you don't like our belief, you can go somewhere else too. I mean, but we have a way that we describe things to make things simple to people. They may not be scientific and logical, but how is telling you you've got a word that you can't even pronounce. And what is that? What does that mean? Is that, you know, like if I have a, I'm not going to give a diagnosis, but if I had a diagnosis, what does that mean? Well, it might just mean that, that, that you just need a little extra

time, a little extra care. You might need a little extra food. You might need to do a little extra work, but it's not, it doesn't have to be scary. Yeah. Like a bulge disc or something. It doesn't have to mean much of anything. Oh, okay. So here,

here's one. 75% of the MRIs and x-rays that come in to the human garage do not even begin. They don't show anything. And if you go looking for something. I got a herniation. I had herniation, but you don't often feel herniations,

right? It says, but if I have pain and I go looking for it, I'm going to go, that's what it is. But then I stopped looking. Like today with your shoulder, you got pain in that shoulder, but it's restricted movement. So we got rid of the movement.

Then you go like, well, okay, so I don't have as much pain, but I still have restriction. Then we went up here and then I said, keep doing it, holding your body on the other side. And I feel these pulling sensations up here. And I put my hands on this pulling sensation, lift, stretch, boom, it starts to go. So it's about taking the fear out of the fact that you have something wrong with your body. It's about having the ability to talk to somebody in real time who understands what you're going through, has gone through it before.

what you're going through has gone through it before. So all of the clinicians, we have thousands of doctors and practitioners from medical doctors to neurologists to chiropractors to massage therapists in our network. And they've all gone through and they've all done the program. So they know at least what our beliefs are in the body. They've not adopted it 100%.

We don't ask that. But they at least can help somebody else who's going through it with more compassion, more caring, and more concern. Because when I was an athlete and I couldn't move, that was fearful. I was angry. I was sad. I was depressed. I was self-conscious. No one should ever have to be like that, ever. You know, it's like if I don't look the way I want to look and I'm like, now I'm beating myself up. Look what we've done to people. It's just,

it's this insane rhetoric of how you have to look, how you have to perform and how you have to be. Even, uh, even with your program aside, having a couple people caring for you is super powerful. I mean, I think most of the people listening to this could understand if you had three people in a group and you were interested in helping each other have a great workout or just, let's just say, hypothetically be out of pain and your back hurts and your shoulder hurts and my hip hurts. And you do some movements and then Nseema's like, oh, let's try this. Hey, have you ever heard about this? Hey, let's try this. And I start poking in there and he starts helping you stretch or whatever. I think what you guys have built, the community that you've built, and some of what we talked about earlier with Kelly Sturette talking about,

like, you as a super friend, like, empowering people to, we don't need a guy to have a PhD or to be some board-certified doctor. If they haven't lived the experience, I don't want to hear from them. End of story. I don't care what it is. I will take a brain, I'll take somebody with brain cancer, who has a blastoma on the brain or something.

I'll take their advice and talk to them more about the experience and I will any clinician or any doctor. If you haven't had it, then what, I mean, look, I don't want to tread too hard on this, but basically- Yeah, there's a lot of doctors out there that know a lot of great information.

Yeah, great information. But I can know a lot of great information, but then when I experience it myself, I go, oh my God. This is what everybody's talking about. And it's not even about, this isn't medicine, this or healthcare, this is every industry. Until I experience it myself, I have a different perception. If I told you about an ocean and talk to you and you'd never seen it, I'd never seen an ocean until I was 19 years old. Someone who's really skinny and talks about weight loss all the time and

how other people should eat. You're like, I don't know if you've ever had the same battle as some other people. It doesn't mean you don't have good information. It doesn't mean there's not some stuff in there that I should really listen to. It's just hard to take advice from somebody who hasn't lived it yourself. So what I would prefer the world look like was people who had experiences, develop systems, and help people who were going

through those experiences. Because what goes along with these pains are things like emotions and belief systems. And those will take you out faster than anything else. Let's stop right here for a second, because you talked about emotions and belief systems. And those will take you out faster than anything else. Let's stop right here for a second. Cause when you talked about emotions and you worked on the barefoot sprinter for a little bit, Graham Tuttle, you were poking at him. And then you,

I think you felt like anger and you were, had the same amount of pressure and then you felt something different. And he's like, Oh, it definitely felt like you eased up. So the intention behind the way that someone works out, we've talked about this on the show before, asking some lifters and some people that fight and many different things,

do you train angry? Is there something that you kind of rely on from your- I did. And a lot of us have, a lot of us have done that. And maybe that is- Hormones habituate experience. So when you have that first shot of drug and you go like cocaine or something like that, the experience is habituated and you always chase it, right? So if I'm going to work out my pain through,

if I'm going to get my anger out and by my workout, it's going to come out. Or sorry, I'm going to get over it, but that pain has to go somewhere. So it goes into the tissue as a memory, just like that first experience of the drug because we're not addicted to drugs we're addicted to how we feel when we take the drugs which is really the presentation of the hormones in the body so so like like here's one drugs don't make you high i'll stand on that

statement because what what gets high is i fire adrenaline noradrenaline norepinephrine cortisol coming from a guy that used seven grams of mushrooms a day for a long period of time. Oh, I can't wait for us to get into that. But wait, keep going. What do you mean by going? So the thing is that we have our perception and we have our experience, right?

And in that experience, there's a bowl in front of you, and on one side you've got adrenaline, norepinephrine, and cortisol. On the other side you've got oxytorepinephrine and cortisol and the other side you've got uh um you got uh oxytocin serotonin so dopamine um testosterone estrogen all that stuff right so your experience is a combination of all those things in a like a solid bowl mixed up right so when you take something in your body your body produces that that's experience you have not the drug or the food itself the food something in your body, your body produces that. That's experience you have, not the drug or the food itself. The food goes through your body. Basically, what you eat, you shit or piss out.

So the food's not doing it or the drug isn't doing it. It's the experience you have. And you can block those things too. That's what we do in the brain. We block receptors so that you don't actually feel depressed or beta blockers so you don't actually feel depressed or so beta blockers. So you don't actually have sensations or emotions. So this is a very, this is when we're dealing with something like this machine was made to survive and heal and understand and adapt to the world. But when

it's stressed out, it has problems adapting to the world. And what is stress to the body restriction? If I come and I restrict you, you will, and I hold that restriction, you'll be stressed pretty quick. And, and so the idea is, is remove restriction, let the body move. Movement is life. And the original movement is breath. So even if my rib cage is tight, I'm not, I'm creating stress when I breathe, if my rib cage is tight. So we have all these, like these paradoxical beliefs about how our, our body works because there's science that says, yes, it makes you high. This cocaine makes you high. But the truth is, it's all the hormones that you're firing as a reaction to it. So let me ask you this, because one would listen to that and

say, well, okay, that's just semantics. Because if anybody in this room did coke, my assumption is everybody in this room did coke, we would all feel very similar things because of what's going on in our minds because we just did coke. So is it the semantics of like, coke isn't making you high, it's all the things that are going on within that are making you high. Well, high is the experience.

It's the experience, yes. It's the experience from it. But the experience cannot be detached from the hormones and the releases and the perceptions in the body. So one of the things is, why is it when you drink a glass of wine the first time you're drunk like shit, but after two years you can drink five glasses of wine, play ball, play

pool and all that stuff? It's because you get habituated into the experience. So the experience isn't so wild. And that's the same thing as pain. If I adjust my perception, I can make that pain not so bad on me. But wait, wait, wait, real quick. Before we continue, though, like using the glass of wine example, like let's say someone gets habituated.

They would need more wine to have the same feeling as they did the first time they drank that wine. Right, because they're used to the first experience. Because they're used to the first experience. So, I mean, I get the chasing the first experience thing, but to chase the first experience, you then need more and more and more to the first experience. So, I mean, I get the chasing the first experience thing, but to chase the first experience, you then need more and more and more to potentially get it. But you're still getting that experience even despite getting out.

That's because you're used to it. Because if I hit your body and I keep hitting it, well, you get used to that. Like in jujitsu, you do. Yeah. You could probably, if I was resisting and put me in an arm bar i'd probably be like freaked white the fuck out like right now but but if i'm experienced and calm you know that you have to stay calm you have to think your way out solve the problem work your way through it

yes okay that's a perception and that perception allows me to move through the experience okay okay so it's it's really it, we're coming back to the same thing. It's always perception. It's always, and the placebo effect is the most disingenuous discussion I've ever heard. You know, we've got, I think,

and don't, if the numbers are wrong, I know people will go look and they'll try to beat me up because that's, but I think it's like there's been, I think there's been, over the last 50 years, there's been 4,400 there's been over the last uh 50 years there's been 4 400

peer peer-reviewed studies that show you that one third of the time i think chris talked about it too on the podcast one third of the time um uh one third of the time just your sheer thought of whether it's going to work or not is going to work but what they're not saying because it's true is one third of time if you don't believe it's not going to work it's not going to to work. So we have scientifically validated, in science, that two-thirds of the time, it's just what you perceive about it. Which then makes me question the other third. Guys. The other third that it actually worked for? Well, no.

One-third of the time, it's my positive experience that makes the thing happen in my body that heals. One-third of the time, it's the negative belief that makes it not work. So we know that. So that makes me question the other third that we're not talking about. Because the, sorry, one third, yeah, one third, one third, one third. Yeah, so that's the third third. It's like, so what is, is that actually science? Is it practical? I mean, did they believe or not believe? What is it? But even if it was, even if that was only the number, that means two thirds of the time, it's how you feel and what you believe about it. So then it's disingenuous to tell you something

about your condition unless I've had it before. Because when that condition has a physical attribute, it has an emotional attribute and it has a narrative. And the narrative can run wild. Then you see those people, like they go crazy because they think something, they've told something, they believe something and they just work themselves into a, into like complete dysfunction because of a belief or a narrative. Yeah. So the idea is it's time. So it's time in the, in the idea of, of, of telling people about their bodies to start having people who have gone through experiences

share, teach them how to contextualize their experience, how to document it, how to share it. And that's what we're doing in our program is we teach people like, hey, if you start going through your program, you start breaking out and you get flu and you get sick because you're detoxing, like don't run to the doctor. That's not your first thing. Talk to other people who've had the same thing. And you know, cause this one young girl, she's a model. And then she,

she's going through a detox and she's going through her, her 28 day reset. Her whole body broke out in eczema, like head to toe. And by the way, when you're talking about this, this is like, she's not,

is she also, she's mainly going through movements, right? The, the fascial, or is there other things that she's potentially taking? Okay. Well,

let's, let's talk about that. The 15 minutes stress reset we've tested, um, for both biologically, we've tested stress hormones and impedance type testings to say that 75 to 90% of the stress in the body is, is abated after that 15 minutes. And, and so basically, um, when you are taking stress out of your, of your body one to two times per day, when you've been in stress your whole life, your body starts, it's called rest and recover. So now your body starts cleaning itself. So it is detoxing. So it's that plus some supplements, plus some other stuff that she may be taking. It's interesting, by the way, guys, uh,

Graham, the barefoot sprinter, you know, he was going through some of this, he was going through what we were doing this morning. And then he immediately had to go to the bathroom. He's like, I peed more than I ever have. After some of this, like you had us dig into different organs and different areas. And he's like, I had to pee more than I have ever peed in my life, which is a very interesting thing. Because again, some people hear what you say and they hear the word detox. That's one thing that's a, within fitness, detox is a trigger word. They hear the word detox.

That's one thing that's a, within fitness, detox is a trigger word. It's a word that people use very liberally to say, oh, this is a detox when it's actually bullshit. But what you're talking about here isn't bullshit. So I want people to kind of understand that. Okay, fair statement. It's a different, like when I say detox,

I'm coming from the, I come not from the, I mean, I come from the fitness background, but I come from the clinical side where I'm looking at it and I'm still trying to adjust the way I talk. No, detox isn't bad. It's just like people have an idea of when somebody says detox, oh shit, alarms are running. What is detox?

Detox is the body's cleaning itself. And so the body to clean itself has to be in sympathetic or sorry, parasympathetic. It has to be in rest to recover. sympathetic or sorry, parasympathetic. It has to be in rest to recover. So when we're in stress all the time, the body just, it's like, uh, there's a saying that the dog in the heat of the hunt never feels the fleas on its back, you know? And, and so the, the, the idea is, is that when we're unstressed and we're moving and we're taught to move in this life and be detailed and move day to day, get everything done, get everything done. We don't have time to heal. So when the body gets a chance to heal, it goes, oh, finally, it's been 23 years. Now I'm going to get rid of all this shit I've been waiting for. And it goes, boom, it loads in on. And that's

likely to happen to people who have been, and that's for, in our 28 day reset, you can go in there and you can go into our community journal and we ask the people to share. They share unbelievable stuff. I can't even imagine something i'm like holy crap i can't believe they actually wrote that but that's part of the journey because i have to get it out of my mind and the narrative while i get it out of my body otherwise i'm not truly healing because have you ever had a thought that made you uh stressed or tense or anxious yes yeah so that i mean if that thought the emotion and the pain the physical insult or physical issue of the body,

the emotions attached to it and the narratives attached have to, there's a triangulation there. And if they don't all happen, that trauma stays in the body. Because really, what is stress? Stress is trauma to the body. And if you do it over a long period of time, it's accumulation. And so, you know, and people go, oh, I have trauma to release. Well, they all have trauma to release.

With physical trauma, if I take and smash your hand with a hammer, you're, and people go, oh, I have trauma to release. Well, they all have trauma to release. With physical trauma, if I take and smash your hand with a hammer, you're going to have trauma. Why did he do that? I didn't deserve that. I can't do this in my life, you know? And so there's all these narratives that reinforce the trauma.

And you're going to hear this word come up a lot now. Everybody's looking for trauma resets. And the reason why they're using this word and it's coming up, and that's why a lot of people are coming to us, especially women. It's because the trauma is just a buildup of stress or incidents over time, which when I'm in a stress state, I take a situation that I could work through really easily in an open state. And if I'm in that stress state, I can carry that belief system for 20 years and it becomes a habit. So then when I take my body out of stress long enough, it goes, oh, I got to get rid of this. I got to get rid of that. And it starts letting it go bit by bit. And so this is

why, again, there's another word, trauma, that's misused. Trauma is just the accumulation of stressors to the body that are held in some way, shape, or form, either in my perception, to the body that are held in some way, shape, or form, either in my perception, which is my narrative, in my emotions, or in my physical body. And I believe in my world, in my personal healing, I'm going to talk about my journey. I am the first time in my entire life without pain.

And what I mean by that is when I say pain, sorry guys, it's a little emotional. Yeah, you've been in pain for a long time. Yeah, I have been. And it feels good. It's a long battle. Yeah, it feels good to be out. And when I say pain, it wasn't just a little pain. It was a seven, seven eight nine pain and i when you have

that pain for 10 years my seven was like most people's 20 and and and i'm not unique to that everybody everybody who's in chronic pain and even if you're emotional pain for a long time it starts to wear on the body every somebody has a loses a child or or something like that and the are the emotional, it ages them fast. It's the emotions that are aging us. And let's actually, you know, one of the things that I'd like people to understand, we think that we have this world-like movement.

Oh, the brain telling the body to do something. Before my brain tells me to get up and do something, I have to, like, I have to have a desire. So emotion precedes motion 100% of the time. The only time it doesn't actually, sorry, is if there's a reaction, like somebody comes up, bang. That's a reaction. So there's no emotion.

It's a visceral reaction as a defense mechanism. But if I'm doing something, I'm moving something, I have to have a desire to do it first. So if we are not why are we not talking about that in performance why are we not talking about that in health care because we have a society it tells us detach from emotions leave your emotions there but it's not how it works i can't leave my emotions at home and i can control them i could not be emotional but when i do that that that is a stressor to the body and And if I go work out afterwards, I'm landing it in the tissue,

just like I take a drug, habituating it. So I recommend people that we work with who are high-level athletes, before you perform, move your body out of stress. Because if you just go to get your body out of stress by performing, you're embedding those habits and those, and it builds neural pathways in the brains that tells you this is where you're, this is where it's going. Like pain is a pathway and it builds it. The brain has neuroplasticity and it can repair itself. I mean, like a lot of people I worked with

were like Navy SEALs, like really special cases. We worked with the SEALs Family Foundation. Some of the most genuine guys, but you know, you touch their mouth and boom, they smack you in the head. You know, I can't tell you, like when I'm going to go inside of a, like a vet's mouth, like a Navy SEAL, I'm going to go, I know when I get in there, I put my arm up. I said, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do it.

And I stand back, but I've been hit so many times by guys because, because what happens is, is we have these involuntary reactions that, that happen. And as we get more and more stressed, they come out more and more. involuntary reactions that happen. And as we get more and more stressed, they come out more and more. And that's what happened to me when I kicked my window out of my door or kicked my window through my car when I was on steroids and I tore the door off the car. Literally, I just said, I backed my door

my car through. I didn't even care. I backed it up with the door open and door popped off. Yeah, stupid stuff, right? Yeah, but this is where we're at. So we want people to understand that emotions are important and you can't back away from it.

You have to deal with it. And if you don't deal with it, if you're dealing with it is through working out or through an activity or through sex or through whatever it is, eventually you're going to pay a price. That's it. And I've met that, you know, like, eventually you're going to pay a price. That's it. And I've met that, you know,

like my father never wanted me to get a motorcycle because he was a paramedic when he was young. So he saw all the guys die on motorcycles, right? So it's like I don't want people to, I don't want people to have to go through the same experience I did. That's why I'm here. I would agree with a lot of that. I think, you know, uh, on the other side of that, I just think that, you know, I think a lot of people could find something that they could be consistent with, that they enjoy, that they can feel strong about. And that is insanely empowering,

but it's sometimes it's hard to get there, especially if you're in pain or you've had a trauma before. You said one of the like, uh, most important things. Um, we've had other guests come on the show and say it before, but it happens rarely. And, uh, Cal Dietz was somebody that pointed this out. He's a strength coach that's world renowned. And, uh, he said, when you get to the right people, they'll say, I don't know. I don't know. Or they'd say, I'd like to change my answer. And that's kind of what you were going on about. I change my answers all the time. With fascia, you're like, it just kind of keeps changing.

I wrote it down, and by the time I write it down, I got to go back and start to rewrite it again. Because you're evolving. You're finding things, just twisting, the things that you're doing with the fascial maneuvers. You're having success with it. It's working for a lot of people. How well it's working, like could it be something that evolves even further?

Could it work even faster? Are there iterations of it that are going to keep? There you go. And are there things that you need to kick out? There's things like three years from now, you're like, man, I was kind of foolish to even be doing, I don't know what I was thinking with that. That was actually kind of weird. But

anyway, it led me to these three other things. So there, there are, there, there are things that, so, um, this is a process. We made it free to the world because it's a philosophy of moving the body. So I believe it should be free to the world. I come from a background of software encryption, open source, but healthcare is all closed source. I have it. It's my patent, my control, my therapy. I'm not going to tell you. Bullshit, because that's not the way it works.

If I give you the opportunity, people are already creating new programs with fascial maneuvers. We have thousands of practitioners all over the world that are implementing it into their clinics right now. They're saying, like we're working and what we do

is we've been helping some of these practitioners who wanted to. We've been setting a model up. Like how do you transition a clinic from I fix everybody to I teach them

how to help themselves and fix them when they can't. And because our journey, my journey of doing that was tough. It took 10 years. But if I was going to take 10 years and ask you to do it as a practitioner,

it's not practical or reasonable for you to do it. So we're working on new ways to make these transitions. We didn't try to trademark or patent the fascial maneuvers. They're free to the world. And what we want you to do is understand the philosophy. And then when you find something new, tell us. So all of our latest, like the things that helped, the three or four

releases that actually made the biggest difference in my life, other than the first one of doing it came from people who learned it and shared it with me. And there were things I never thought of. I know that I'm not the guy to end this. I just didn't the guy to start. Pat Brodsky, I hope you guys are doing well. Now, we love meat. We love to eat meat on this podcast. We've talked about it. We've talked about it a lot. That's why I partnered with Piedmontese because they have amazing cuts of steak, some that

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notes. Let's get back to the podcast. I have a question to kind of add on to that because it's open source. There are things that are going to be potentially added as far as the main thing of fashion maneuvers. And then there are things that are going to be taken out. Now, I want to kind of go back to the pressure aspect of things, like using tools to like break up adhesions and in that type of way. Now I'm curious because certain individuals, like for example, Mark will be able to feel something more when he's on top of a hard object, potentially more than somebody who isn't as potentially muscle bound. So could that be something that is useful generally? Cause I'm, cause I remember I was asking you that cause I

wanted to know what you thought of using hard objects. And you mentioned if it makes you feel good, okay. But I'm not necessarily – Okay, you want my truth. I want your answer because I want to mention one thing. Because I've asked certain questions to people about like we've had a breathing person on. So I asked them what their take was on some – there's another type of breathing that was on. And they're like, if it makes you feel good, cool. But it doesn't necessarily do anything.

So I knew that in their mind, it's like, it's placebo, it's not that beneficial. But I'm just like, what are your actual thoughts? So there's times where we need to use force. And that's just because we're stuck, and I want to move past it faster. But if we're on the right path of healing and reducing stress every day, the body's job is to adapt.

And eventually, the restriction that you are holding on to something that was dysfunctional will work its way out. Now, I believe that what we're seeing, well, I'll show you. Let's talk about a scoliosis. Let's bring up a scoliosis video. There's two things. Let's show a scoliosis that was a three-hour treatment. So in other words, it's practitioner or driven by somebody else.

So this is a scoliosis that it's on. I'm always thinking whenever I see these graphs on the internet, I'm always thinking like a giant dick is going to be. It happens every time. Like, oh, look at this x-ray. And you're like, come on. How many times I got to fall for this? Well, that is a penis coming up here.

I see. I knew it was inserted in there somewhere. Okay. So here it is. This is what it can look like. So I just want to use this as an example of saying we're taught that scoliosis don't go away. And we're also taught you can't see fascia on an x-ray.

But see that one little line up there that goes across vertically from that on the right-hand picture? Can you move them out there? And see that little image that goes up there? What is that? What nerve, what vein, what vessel? I mean, if you guys,

I mean, if you're an x-ray technician out there and you can tell me, that looks like fascia media. And look at the lungs. So what is it about the lungs? See how the lungs are clear? So what was in there before? It's congestion of some sort.

Okay, so let's practical application. Let's look at what a girl has done, like on our 28-day reset twice. She has done, like on our 28 day reset twice. She has about 13 degrees scoliosis. And I'm gonna show you some pictures. Now, we are not seeing these people. They don't come to us. I've never met her ever at all.

These are people that report in our community journals. They come in, they do the work. Every day they log what happened, how they felt, what went on. And some people do, some people don't. The ones who do have the best success, I can tell you that. I don't know exactly why.

I think it's because there's a certain part of telling, if I'm going to tell you something, I take away all the pain of it. Like if I tell you something bad, I take away the pain. If I tell my dad before he catches me, then it's going to be less painful. So can we bring the scoliosis one?

Okay, so can we, yeah, there we go. She's about a 13 or 14 degree. I can't remember what it was. But you see, this is no practitioner. This is doing about 30 minutes a day of movement for two months.

Also working with our, what we do is the 28-day reset is about perception. So it teaches them about perception and how to view things. And then she went through a lot of stuff. I mean, she had some really freaked out moments. The reason I use this one is because I'm in the app all the time answering and helping people. This is one of the people that I just answered and helped. And there's other practitioners and other coaches and other people who are just love to help people they've gone through it now she did this herself and there's again the pictures are different it's not the right light i didn't

take them i'm not responsible for them you could argue everything but you can't argue with the fact that that girl's changed absolutely okay so that's she's also reporting that she's made progress she's not in pain anymore right Right. Right? Yeah. And all other aspects of her life are changing. Better relationships because she's not in pain. When I'm in pain, I'm an asshole. So if I'm in pain, I'm an asshole. You know, even-

Yeah, they say, you know, like grumpy old men, right? Like, why are they grumpy? Right. A lot of people are in pain. Right. And so, for example, this is somebody who worked themselves out. Now, according to, they have to go to, the allopathic side says you can't fix it. The chiropractic side and the physical therapy side says, oh, yeah, we could fix it with a lot of work.

This is literally 60 days. And this isn't one example. We have hundreds of these every single day where people are actually helping themselves. So it changes, it really changes the narrative because this girl, you know, when I met her the first time online, we do these for the 28 day reset. What we do is we give them the therapy, give them the work, let them experience the tools. And then what we do is we meet with them once a week as a community online and we just share experiences, ask questions, and we help them. Because if I tell you what to do,

you go back with all your best notes, and you want to know all the details. You're going to get it wrong, you're going to come back, and you're not going to do it because you don't have it right. But if you just try it and you mess it up, and you know it's okay, then you come in, and somebody else, and I say, hey, just try it this way. We want people to do it first.

Don't wait to have all the knowledge. Don't figure it out. Get in there and just do it. And we made it so simple. You follow along day by day by day. Now, here's the other part too. Do you think she performs? She's a CrossFit girl too.

Do you think she's going to perform better in the fourth picture? My assumption is yes. Mechanics are different. Yeah. Yeah. When your hips are off you have to do more work to produce the same result

end of story also the negative thought of like oh shit this isn't our workout again that normally hurts yeah

and then you go to do it and it doesn't hurt because your body moves differently you start to think of everything and perceive everything differently yeah yeah you know

the cool thing the really big cool thing that I think is amazing about what you're doing, especially with the community aspect about what you do, is you change people's perceptions on a lot of these things. Because, you know, with scoliosis or a lot of other things, when it comes to physical ailments, people typically think, I cannot do that on my own. Or they go to a doctor and the doctor's like, you can't do it at all.

We have to do surgery on that. We have to cut into it. A few things I think about, someone who's also made a great community is Ben Patrick, who we found on the podcast. I love Ben Patrick. I love his style. I love the way he talks. He just does it. But the cool thing is that he's changed people's perception on what they could do with their knees. By doing a lot of things, a lot of people then start doing it. They get results. You have this massive amount of people who believe and have before and afters. And then more and more and more people buy into that perception of like, I can fix my knees on my own. And it's like, have you heard of mass psychogenic

illnesses? Yes, absolutely. They're all over the place. We have one. It's called Life. Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. But like, you know, people will, there's a narrative that's put out. People will be like, oh, that's true. Multiple people will start to believe that same thing or multiple people will start to get sick because they think they have something.

And then they just all buy in because of their perception. What do you think just happened? What do you mean? Last two years. You can go into that. I'm not going into that. I don't even want to, I don't even want to talk about that. But you know what I'm talking about. Exactly. With the big CC, you know, big, big Coco, you know? So yeah. Yeah. So I think what the,

the cool thing, what you've done to this community is all these people are doing these things. They're achieving different levels of results. are having massive results some have less pain and everybody is able to see oh wow this works so now they buy into it right they buy into actually doing the thing because most people when they hear about new concepts or new things they're immediately going to be like what does the research say about this type of idea oh there's no research ah fuck it it's it's probably a shame's probably bullshit. But they haven't done anything yet. You know, what's coming up though is the kids. My kids, they don't care what the scientists say. They just look at what other people say, the reviews. And so that's what we focused on is that

like you can argue with the science about what we're doing. You can't argue with the results and the reviews. And again, I'm not doing this to prove a point. I'm doing this to help people. So if they get help, they do it, they're great. And what we want to do is we want to challenge narratives because if we didn't challenge the narratives, we wouldn't run faster than four minutes in a mile.

You know, we wouldn't fly. You know, there's so many things in life is that we've been just taught to be, and we're programmed this as a kid. I mean, you watch like A Bug's Life, and it's like it's super informative about all the different society. But at three years old, I don't think I want my kid knowing that some big mean grasshopper is going to come,

and we work, we eat, we fight, we take. I don't think it's healthy to program our children this way. And so these are all things that are happening, these belief systems that we're working against right now. You mentioned fasting for a really long time. Oh, I was going to, actually, sorry, I was going to do a restaurant. And I was coming up with a concept. I wanted to get your guys' opinion on this.

It was a fasting restaurant and we thought we'd use the name Nothing Better. Okay. So how would people go in there and pay for food? Well, it'd just be water from all over the world, but nothing better, right? Nothing's better. Fasting.

I was just joking. Like, oh, I've been in here for 45 minutes, but I haven't gotten anything yet. And you'd be like, yeah, how is that? If you was given four curcumin tablets, there's probably no fucking calories in there. Yeah, which is, I mean, this stuff has changed my life. Yeah, tell us about that.

Okay, so Mr. North America, 1992, Franco Cavallari, one of the smartest guys I know. Also, one of the most talented bodybuilders I've ever seen, and he's a scientist. He's a PhD. So he had ulcerative colitis. He was right before the 92 Mr. America IFBB, which he won as a middleweight overall.

And so he went in, and he had this pain. He went to the hospital, the ulcerative colitis, and they wanted to remove his colon, all this stuff. And he's like, wait a second here. You know, he'd been doing the science and the research. He'd been doing this

while he was doing his science degree. So he had tested and documented himself and he'd found that he'd been using this form, curcumin back then, and when he used it, he didn't have the pain. When he didn't, he did. So he went on this long study of why sometimes it worked,

sometimes it didn't. So long story short is he found that the third curcuminoid, and we have a podcast that you can go watch. Maybe we can put it in the show notes. Super powerful. He talks about how curcumin has three curcuminoids, and the third one is the one that actually has the inflammatory relief for the connective tissue, which is basically fascia.

So what happens is that if you go get normal curcumin, it's standardized curcumin, it's at 95%. That's what you see everywhere. But sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't because standardized at 95% doesn't mean it has the active ingredient in it. Because that active ingredient is at, I think, 1%. So sometimes it could be, sometimes it's not.

So that's why it's inconsistent. This is what with the supplement industry, that's what I see the problem is. There's inconsistency. So anyways, what they do is what I call new kind of pharmacology. They extract the third curcuminoid and they put it back in the natural source. So it has an ORAC rating. It's not the best way to do it, but just to give it a scale, like a normal curcumin has an ORAC rating of 9,500.

This is 500,000. And it's patented, tested by science, approved by Health Canada, which is our FDA. And we just, at a higher dose, they just got it approved for a COVID treatment at a super high dose. So can you just mention how that works? Because when you say approved for COVID treatment, what does that mean? It's an inflammatory disease that's pulmonary.

So basically it attacks the lungs, it's inflammation. So the lungs, it's inside, it's all connective tissue. So we are Fascia. So anyways, the details and the product for the COVID stuff will be out shortly, but it is, I can talk about it now. It's not my company, but so we've licensed the patent. We tested it out on the MLB, NBA and NHL players. And then on about 6,000 clients.

We tested it for years before we were ready to say, this is what we believe. What we saw is, we saw results. First of all, it's the best recovery tool in the world because it calms the body, but it doesn't take you completely out. It calms, it takes out the stress because it removes all the inflammatory markers around every nerve, every tendon,

the brain and everything else. And the way it does is it goes into the cell and it turns a heat shock protein called MSK1. When it does that, it instantaneously decompresses the whole body. So you take it and it's one of those supplements that you can feel in 30 minutes. It feels like a drug.

And so we brought this out, we tested it. This is what I believe was the transition point for me because after that is when my body started becoming looser and that's when I discovered all this new fascial work. And so we have this product, it's the PowerCurc30. And we use this since all of our programs are free. This is one of the ways we fund ourselves. And it works. It works. There you can go. There's all kinds of testimonials

on any kind of autoimmune disease, any kind of cancer, anything that's inflammatory. It works on, it has a proven result, scientifically proven. Real quick question. You mentioned cancer.

I know that some people are going to be, what the fuck? You just said cancer. So what do you mean by that? I mean cancer. Like, but how? Well, cancer is an inflammatory disease. If you take stress out and remove inflammation,

the body can heal itself better. I'm not saying it cures cancer. There we go. Okay. Yeah. I'm saying it works with and for, it's like anything else. There is no such thing as a cure.

The body is the cure. We either, we either give the body the tools to make the cure happen or we don't give it the tools and it doesn't happen. It's, it's, it's, it's a binary thing. The body either has, it knows how to fix itself and we think we know, but we don't. We're learning every day. So this is one of the products that we use. It's super powerful. And what it works really well with is any anxiety,

depression, anything, those are all inflammatory basedbased disease processes. And again, two things. We have the scientific papers approved by our FDA, which is Health Canada. It's even stronger than the FDA in the States. It's harder to get through. And we have a podcast where you can go learn about it. I'm not a scientist. I'm just repeating his stuff.

I just use this stuff, and it works incredible. And has virtually no contraindication. It's approved for pregnant women children yeah so it works all around and we're trying it out right now so we'll report back and I love to hear more information because we're on like day two or three I guess right yeah and I did have a question for you do you notice more of a difference or reports back do certain individuals who maybe they're more wound up, they're not generally as present, they're more typically stressed,

do they report back feeling it more than those who are typically more relaxed in general? Because the reason I ask you that is because like- I felt- You're calm. I felt it. It felt like, honestly, it felt like a small microdose of shrooms.

Small microdose. And when I say- So what other vitamin have you ever taken that felt like a small microdose of shrooms. Small microdose. So what other vitamin have you ever taken that felt like a small microdose of shrooms? None. And that's a really cool thing. But then I'm wondering, okay, what does someone who's really stressed and tightly wound, how do they- Massive. Yeah. Massive.

So we have people that, geez, I wish I had a photo of my dad. I gave it to him. He was dealing with cancer and colon cancer. And I took a picture from one hour apart when I first gave it to him. And you can viscerally see the difference in the skin and behavior. And again, instead of me telling you all the stuff,

there are literally thousands of testimonials in our program. And it's people telling their own stories. Don't believe me. Go talk. Go look with other people. They've posted pictures. They've talked about results.

We've had doctors that are posting results. We've had paramedics who are posting results. We've had professional athletes. And, you know, like, and again, it was used. It is. We had this NSF certified originally. It's anti-doping, all that stuff. I have some pro athletes that I currently work with and mentor and work with, including Odin.

Odin is one of my favorite guys. He's new in the NHL. Odin Chustowi plays for the Lightning. He just says it's like saving his life. Okay. And that's really cool. But I do also like, this is just my personal viewpoint on SUPs.'s a really good supplement and I'm actually, I'm going to take it consistently, but people listening in don't, don't start. I think the stronger thing that we talk about here

is the fascial maneuvers that you guys do on a daily basis. This is to assist. And personally, my philosophy is I do not believe in long-term supplementation at all. This is a tool. Like you put aspirin in your shelf, you have it there. You're going to use it sometimes, you're not going to use it. Okay. If somebody is relying, if you're taking supplements every day, that means your body's not getting what it needs from food or lifestyle. And that means you need to change your food to your lifestyle. So supplements, and I don't take these every day. Sometimes I take them, sometimes I don't. If I'm going to go and go for four hours of real massive climbing and then diving and stuff

like that, I'm going to take it. Here's an example. This is a self-reported, again, this is 40 or 50 years of psoriasis on the left, really bad all over our body. That's seven days later. And by the way, this isn't one-offs. We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these testimonials. Now there's another thing that we've noticed here, just as a lot of people are having injuries and a lot of, first of all, stress, anxiety, depression,

and then they're getting a lot of mechanical injuries in their body. What we've noticed is that there are, we started noticing injury profiles going up very, very high, like insane. And so we started looking for reasons why they were happening. And we had started sending out hair follicle testing on about 1,000 clients at the garage.

And what we found is they had elevated levels of barium, strontium, and aluminum in their hair. Now, you're not going to necessarily test it out in your blood right away because the blood's a regulator, but hair follicle testing, they can tell you you've had a drug like 20 years ago. Wow. I mean, it's pretty insane. I may be exaggerating, but basically it tells you everything that's in there.

So when we saw this, we were trying to figure out why. Well, what we know is that we have geoengineering right now where we're putting to control weather or whatever they're doing. I don't care. Did you say, what did you say engineering? Geoengineering. Geo, okay. I thought he was good.

Okay, okay. And then it was like a negative connotation. I said geoengineering, I'm like, whoa, where'd we go here, bro? Geo-engineering. All right, let's go. So do we want to show those pictures? It's up to you, Mark. Let's move on to fasting. Okay.

Do you prescribe fasting to some of the people? And if you have, is it something that's helpful? Can I take one thing before? So basically what we're saying to people, if the answer is this, is that you have to have elements in your body to absorb minerals. You have to have minerals to process vitamins. Okay, so one of

the barium which we're breathing in our environment right now depletes our body's silica. So if you just add silica, all of the things that you're doing in your life will get better. Hair, nails, skin will improve within a week or two. And it'll help your body start absorbing so the hydration goes back into the

fascial tissue because that's where we're getting dehydrated. It's not because we're not drinking. It's because our body's no longer absorbing properly. And it's a big issue. So we have two products to combat that. We have Irish She-Moss. These are products that are just coming out. We've worked on the science on these for quite a while with the same guy.

And Irish She-Moss, and what we use is a glyvia, which is a natural, a plant-based sweetener that actually regulates your blood sugar. And it's like taking it for three days is like taking normal minerals for 30 days. Because it uses a pathway to get

it into the system. And then we also have another product with Ashwagandha. And the Ashwagandha is just like the, it's again patented. So it's like, this is effectively a hundred times stronger than normal curcumin,

this ashwagandha. And that's actually in the science. So we have the, you can actually download the scientific papers. We'll make those available to you if you want. But we have the ashwagandha, which has 12 constituents. And this ashwagandha is like another superpower.

And we put it with this product called diatomaceous earth. Diatomaceous earth has 80% silica. It's super good. We'll put another show notice, 31 benefits of taking it. So, and all these products here, with the exception of the power group, you can go, we'll tell you how to do it yourself, how to get it cheap, everything like that. But if you need this for convenience, or these are just faster agents, then you can come get them from us and you support our

cause. And then the last one is the Fascial Fuel. Now the Fascial Fuel is a product we did test out. It is anti-doping. It is NSF certified, all that stuff. What it is, it throws your body into ketogenesis in 20 minutes and keeps it there for four to six hours. Ben it is, it throws your body into ketogenesis in 20 minutes and keeps it there for four to six hours. Ben Greenfield used it. My first podcast with him, he goes, it's like rocket fuel. And then we were testing it then. We're putting it into a pill because the drink,

it's like, drinks are hard to consume. Tastes like ass. Yeah, and it's hard to consume over a long period of time if you're like going to work and that. But it'll give you four to six hours on a fasted state. And the reason why I want to say that is that when you're going into fasting, most people get messed up in the first three days. And so if you put your body into ketogenesis right away,

that's when the third day, the 72 hours, it kicks in. But you can get your body into ketosis. But you put your body into ketogenesis with a supplement and keep it there for three days. And then you may or may not choose to use it, but it works. It gives you energy, but it's not hormonal energy. And so these products, the curcumin is available right now. The minerals mixes will be available in about two weeks.

And the fascia fuel in about five to eight weeks. And these are just products, again, they support us. We use all the money. 100% of our proceeds go to making more content. We subsidize products for people who sometimes can't afford them. We are also subsidizing and working with countries that can't. Like we have people in places like Africa where they have a phone for a village. They do our maneuvers.

They do stuff like that. We would like to get them some of this, but they can't afford it. So one of the things is when you purchase, it also helps us fund delivery of products to other people in that way. So, sorry, you were talking about the fasting. So fasting is super important. I mean, the body in ketosis, when we're in ketosis, the body's sending out stem cells. And so it's healing itself by default. So fasting, if that and that's true, that's scientifically proven all over the world. We know that. There's a million studies on it. So then that means if I had an

illness, the first thing I would do is fast. Plain and simple. There's many people throughout history have utilized that. Yeah. People go, I got this illness. What do you think I do? Start fasting. Why? Because your body sends stem cells. I mean, that makes sense. And so fasting is a very powerful tool. It's something that's widely misunderstood by the public.

But after my, and I have never fasted before 2020, ever. So I went on a three-day fast and it's like, oh man, I almost killed myself doing it. And then I went on a five-day fast and I took a group of people through it with me because I told them, I'm your leader, follow me. I'm like, I'm going myself doing it. And then I went on a five-day fast, and I took a group of people through it with me because I told them, I'm your leader, follow me. I'm like, I'm going to stick it out because I'm not going to be disingenuous,

but I got through it. Then later on, I got my beliefs changed about it being a fuel and it being more of a medicine. And once I triggered that belief, then we went on the 44-day fast. My life completely changed. With water, that one. Then we went on the 44-day fast. My life completely changed. With water, that one. Water for 44 days.

Actually, no, we took, we actually started drinking just grape juice. Okay. Yeah, and. How much grape juice? I don't know. Did you have like under 500 calories a day, something like that? Not even? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly, but you know, a lot of, sure exactly. But first of all, we were sleeping three to four hours a night, had tons of energy. We were running up and down mountains and doing stuff. And that's when my belief, my body, because you could tell me something, but if I don't believe it in my body, I'm still going to fight it. That's when my body changed its belief about fasting. Yeah. And so now I fast regularly.

Like this year, I fasted for about two and a half months already. And, you know, I'll do it for like, you know, 10 day spurts or 12 day spurts. And the reason I was doing it, because I want to understand it more. I just want to know more about it. I want to know more about how my body responds.

And I feel so good when I fast. And I know I'm going to take this food. I'm going to enjoy the food, but I know that my brain is going to slow down, going to process slower and stuff like that. And it does. It just goes. Have you seen it help people with pain?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Pain, because a lot of pain. So in the third day of the fast, what I noticed the first thing, and I had, again, this is all new because we'd never done it before. We were doing fascial maneuvers

and there's restrictions that I would have normally if I'm doing a maneuver. The third day of the fast, I went to do the maneuver, and it's like, my body just released a restriction. And I'm like, oh, that makes sense because the organs are processing. The organs have meridians. They have some sort of structure or pull. So if they're not working, then they have more freedom. So it's the third day, which is a perception cycle, by the way.

Plus loss of some fluids as well. Sometimes you lose three to five pounds depending on your body size. Yeah, and fasting for weight loss is a completely stupid idea. Fasting for health is a great idea. This is my opinion. Yeah, I'm just saying it will take off some pounds in the beginning. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of the water. And you do move better.

I wasn't, sorry, I was not saying that to what you said. I was saying more so because people have- Try to use it for fat loss. Yeah. It's like, that's a bad thing because the intention's not good. I want to be healthier in my body. And when I'm healthier in my body, I won't have the fat there. Or even if I do have the fat.

So that's a perception because like, I mean, if you are overweight and you start using some fasting, which aids in some restriction of calories, a byproduct is losing weight. But you're saying that you should perceive it as trying to become healthier. Yes, you're going to lose some weight,

but not say I'm fasting because I want to lose fat. Right. Especially that long of fasting. Yeah. And when I fasted here, it was funny because so I went to my, I've been pretty stable in my weight my whole life.

I've been a bodybuilder. Sometimes I get a little heavier, a little light. But I went fasting. And after the fast, at 44 days, I think we have a picture here, right? I mean, what the fuck? I mean, I thought I would lose it all after 44 days. But I didn't. And what happened was is that I had this belief

about what would happen. So this is funny. I still fat. It's like, where is that stuff hanging from? Where's the good? I mean, I felt really good and all that, but I also have a, let me show you where I came from. Sneaking some pizza in the middle of the night.

What happened was two years ago, I stopped trying to fix stuff. And I just said, I'm going to let my body, I'm going to do fast maneuvers. I'm not going to diet. I'm not going to exercise. I'm just going to see where this goes. I have the time.

I have the pandemic. What happens? And you know, I can always diet and lose weight again, but I have, I'll show you a picture of me at the weight. What happened was, is I stopped everything. And my body, and just doing maneuvers, my body came out of stress. And I just, and I was controlled my eating too.

So I wasn't overeating, but guess what happened? Whoa, whoa, whoa. That was two years ago, roughly this month. Dude, you said you were like 240? Yeah, about that. So during this 44-day fast, is this when you started your seven grams of mushrooms? Yeah, so what we did actually before the fast, for also, is this when you started your seven grams of mushrooms? Yeah. So what we did actually before the fast for a year before, because we started the, we

did the pandemic, we did the mushrooms every day for a year because I just said, I want to try something different. I want to challenge the norm. We all have a way of doing experience and all that. And I agree with them. They all work. What if I do something different? What if I take it every day?

And people go, that's useless because you have to keep increasing. And how much did you take every day? Like, did it start low? Yeah, like 0.5, you know, once a day, 0.5 twice a day, 0.5 three times a day, then always up and up. And all of a sudden I'm eating one and a half, two grams at a time. And, and, but I'm never high, but here's what happens. My perception is also habituated. Everything in the human experience has a habit process. So if every time you talk to me, I get pissed off or angry, I have a perception about it.

And then all of a sudden you come to talk to me, my perception jumps in front of me and I'm already responding to the perception that you're going to be mad or angry or attack me or whatever. So what we did is I had a belief or an experiment I wanted to try. What if I just gradually raised my perception? Because I would, on 0.5, I would see the world a different way. Not, I mean, not, just calmer, less aggressive. I'd see, I'd see things I didn't see, like I was more aware. Because at 0 more aware because at 0.5 you're not really high right so what I did is we just kept increasing it so we were never really high now Jason

he would go two weeks on two weeks off and I just did it every day because I just I mean what the heck I could try it I mean it's not going to kill me how long did it take for you to get to seven and a half grams and how long were you continuing that to seven and a half grams? And how long were you continuing that, like seven and a half grams a day?

I did that probably for about three months. Three months? Yeah. Seven and a half grams a day. And then how long did it last? There was no lasting. There was no come off. So then what happened was when I stopped, you know, so I kept going because I liked the feeling once in a while.

So I kept kind of increasing it. And then I'm like, eh, it's time to do it. And I stopped, but there was no addiction. There was no cutoff. It just was like when I stopped, I still had that same sense of calm and the perception of when I had a half or when I was functional but not high. That was my everyday state. But now over time, that became the habit and the way that I saw the world.

Because if I see the world as a threatening world, I'm always going to be looking for a way to defend myself. So it was a really interesting experience. I believe that's part of what changed my, you know, my entire life. And so the idea was, let's just try this. So then we did it. I did it nine months every day with ketamine. You don't know unless you try it.

Now this is low dose. We're talking a very amount, like 0.5 milligrams in 30 mils of water with two drops of frankincense oil, you know, a couple of times a day in the nose. It's like, again, you're never high. You just feel calmer. Ketamine has an amazing experience.

It relaxes all the fascia right away. It's like super, they rack, and then you want to like stretch stuff. Yeah, I've felt ketamine before. It right away. It's like super, they rack, and then you want to like stretch stuff. Don't cut me before, it's nice. Yeah, so again, we tried that, we tried that in various Cynthia did one part of it, Jason did another, and the three of us, we were

triangulating the experiences because I'm the guy, I just like to do everything streamed, so just give me it every day. They did it on and off, tried different ways, so we got to see the responses of other people, not just ways. So we got to see the responses of other people, not just ourselves. And it was important to have this triangulated experience because it was just me and you doing this. We start to, you know, we, we, we sink, we believe our own bullshit. We don't see the difference, but if you have a third person, now you have a

reference point. So that was part of our, our way of trying to understand this in a different way. I have a question. Now, when we're talking about like your perception of it changed over time, right? And doing seven and a half grams a day, you didn't feel that seven and a half grams again. My immediate thought is like, okay, well, I mean, so I've done psilocybin before. I've done higher doses. And aspects of that have stayed with me. I know that for a fact.

The way I am now has been because of the perception of what happened when I did that, and even at times in the past when I've smoked weed in terms of some creative shit that happens, aspects of that have stayed. But I know individuals who have done psilocybin so much that, if we're going back to what we were talking about, their perception of higher doses, they no longer feel it anymore. And I wonder if we can switch up the word perception and tolerance of being the same thing. Because when you do it and you're doing the same amount, you no longer, you might need, if you're seven and a half grams, you're not feeling that on a daily basis or barely, you might

need 20 to actually get that. Yeah. So that's what I'm wondering. Yeah. So, but tolerance is a perception. It is. Yeah. So they're inextricably linked.

Okay. Yeah. And so the experiment wasn't, you know, like how much can I take and how long can I take it? The experiment is what happens if I do? Yeah. And all we're doing is just testing on our bodies. I mean, I'm going back to bodybuilding days because I had time on my hands. I didn't have to work. And I'm like, okay, I'm like a kid in a candy store. What can I do to my body to try this? I want to experiment

all these beliefs that I've had over the last, you know, 30, 40 years. I want to try them because that's all I was doing. We were just trying to understand a new way because we looked at, look it, I looked at all these things that science said our body should do. And then I saw the results at the clinic that said it's not happening this way. So then I said, well, I'm going to just assume that everything that I've ever learned is bunk and I'm just going to rebuild my own awareness of it. And that's all, that's all it was. It was just us being kids again,

going out and saying, what happens if we do this? And there was no responsibility because COVID took away our responsibilities. Did you grow that shit or did you have to buy it all? Oh yeah,

no, no, we buy it all. But it's in Canada. No, no, it's in Canada. It's like,

it's like, I mean like Canada is like for things like that, super easy, super cheap. And we've just, we're legalizing all psychedelics in Canada right now. Y'all are just ahead of the game.

Yeah. And it's good because we're using the drugs that people told us that the governments and the clinicians said were bad. We put them on all the pharmacology. Now we're using the bad drugs to take them off the pharmacology and it's working. And guys, this has been a practice by functional medicine doctors and practitioners in Southern California and a regular thing

since I'm aware of since 2014. I mean like over the counter, behind the counter, they have like a, like they'll have mixes with an LSD and all that squirts. And like, it's out there. So, you know, people have to, so here's the thing. It's like drugs are bad, right? Well, food is your drug.

Food is, because if you, so the reason why we have to use these things is because we've misused food. And if we don't misuse food, we don't have these wild experiences. So it's time to just get, you know, back on the horse and realize at the core of it, let's just get our bodies healthy again. Let's just get off of everything. And the way we do it, part of it is we got on get our bodies healthy again. Let's just get off of everything. And the way we do it, part of it is we got on it with a bad drug, the misuse of food. So let's get off it. Let's use whatever.

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