Mark Bell's Power Project - Is “Clean Eating” Making Athletes Weaker?

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

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I'm against clean eating for athletes. But as a, yeah, it's bad. How healthy does an athlete need to eat? Most bodybuilders, by the time four months before, three months, they're going to diet to get lean. But they lose 30% of the string. So why would you do that as a young man trying to compete in NFL? That is probably the worst thing you can do as an athlete. It's just to not have enough nutrition.

But you consume what you're in your intake. It means nothing. All right. This topic I just been seeing kind of. float around a little bit here and there. I've always been interested in it, you know, how healthy does an athlete need to eat? And, uh, I saw Ocho Cinco talking about it a while back on Shannon Sharp's podcast. And, you know, he was, he was, he had some interesting things to say, but I think it was like a little over the top. And then recently, I've seen some other, uh, the clip I sent you

to of the Instagram clip, um, where, uh, St. Brown's dad was talking about it. He, I think he has two sons in the NFL. So maybe we just kind of kick things off by playing either one of these clips and we can kind of go from there. I'm against, I'm against clean eating for athletes. Really? Yeah, it's bad. And what, what just? Well, let me say, right now I eat clean because I'm older and I'm trying to live long to enjoy my kids. I believe in eating dirty. A kid goes to, he's at high school. We went to some college just to look at it. And the trainer or the nutrition guy, some fool, was trying to tell my son to eat a lot of chicken and fish. I was just letting talk.

I go, you know that's bullshit right when he left. Don't ever do that. As a bodybuilder, most bodybuilders, they train to go for a competition. By the time, four months before, three months, they're going to. on a diet to get lean, and they lean out. But they lose 30% of the strain. All bodybuilders know that. You lose 30% of your strain.

So why would you do that as a young man trying to compete in the NFL? Why would you want to lose 30% of your strain? Collectively, your team will lose. But they don't know because they weren't bodybuilders. See, they read this book and it said that, but it's wrong. so you got to eat dirty red meat beans taco chips either whatever you want I believe eating whatever you want

but the main source is red meat but eat dirty eat ice cream eat everything interesting that he said red meat beans tacos and chips right red meat bean tacos that doesn't seem that dirty to me yeah I know

calorie dense hey I ate dirty and that's when I lift the most amount of weights you know I had that That lifting, an eating dirty thing down to a science, I think at one point with how fat my face was. But you're a bodybuilder. You competed in bodybuilding many times. Do you lose a lot of strength, getting ready for bodybuilding show? I think you lose strength just because you get so lean.

Like you're getting to low levels of body. Like cutting your body fat percentage more than in half in long cases. Hormonally, your test is going to be going down. It's just like. Lost a lot of weight. Yeah. If any athlete gets super lean. Actually, you know what?

That's an interesting thing, because you'll see some track stars, right, who are definitely in single-digit body fats, but they can still perform. So I guess the leanness depends on the athlete. But bodybuilders, yeah, you're getting super lean. You're still lifting. But I don't think it's just because of a, I don't think it's because, I think it's just because you're getting lean, not because of necessarily eating dirty or whatever.

And it's because you're in contest prep dieting. Also, you're in a huge caloric deficit. that you don't have the energy. Yeah, that's what I was going to mention. So, like, and I found it to be interesting the way he worded that too because he was a bodybuilder at one point and I think a very successful one.

But he mentioned how bodybuilders, you know, they kind of really aren't on that strict of a regimen and then they go on a diet for a few months to get to their show. Yeah. And that's an interesting way to word it because I would say that maybe in his day that's the way it was.

But it seems like bodybuilders are kind of always on some sort of diet. They just are either in a chloric surplus or they're in a chloric deficit. What you just mentioned was actually, just cut the bullshit that I mentioned. Getting lean does make you feel a certain way, but at the same time, there are athletes who are very lean, but they're eating pretty much at maintenance or at a chloric surplus because of all the activity they do. So they're getting the fuel needed to perform. DeKate neck calf. Yeah, like exactly. You know what I mean? Whereas when you're a bodybuilder or a bikini athlete, like you're purposefully eating, much lower amounts of food than like then you need to perform at a high level.

Your performance is based on you being lean. Yes. Not on you sprinting fast, throwing someone out of the way, catching the ball or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I think it does bring up a lot of interesting things though.

But I think that the main thing and I think what maybe wasn't communicated in that clip is I think that you can you can probably benefit from eating dirty because it might be more fun for certain people. They might just enjoy it more. And if you would digest it, you're probably okay. But yeah, he did mention like red meat and things that are like dense in calories. And it might be more fun for an athlete

to have a burrito after practice. They are exerting tons and tons of energy every single workout. They're working out multiple times a day. They're lifting. They're practicing. They're doing all this stuff. And even harder during the season

for these guys to really hold on to any weight. But again, I think probably the main factor is just the energy, like the amount of energy you're consuming. So if you eat enough calories, you should be fine even if you're eating clean. Like you should be getting along just fine in the football field if you're eating, you know, chicken and rice, but it probably can't just be chicken breast all the time.

You probably need chicken thighs. You probably need some, Terriaki sauce on top of that, stuff like that. Yeah. That's, I think that's one of the most important things to think about. And it's like, not even if you're just an athlete who's doing stuff on the field. If you're just, you know, if you do any type of sport or you train a lot, I think it's good to give yourself a little bit of room for, I guess, fun food.

If you're responsible, though, with like your output. It's, it's kind of rough saying this because you don't want people. to get into the the type of mindset where if I eat, I have to, I have to burn this off because that's not necessarily, that's not necessarily the healthiest thing. But I think there should be an intent on moving, like using what you put in. You know what I mean? That's where some people get themselves in a pretty rough place because food becomes, food is something you enjoy and you don't necessarily have any movement outlets to use those calories. But if you do have that, right, It allows you a little bit more freedom with the way you eat.

So just that would be good to think about. If your glycogen stores are full, like if you eat a lot of carbohydrate on a regular basis and you're eating quite a bit and you are a high-level athlete, there might be days where you need more carbs and it might be days where you don't need as many. I think you could go, you know, something that comes to mind

for me is somebody could overdo it in either direction you could get like way too lean and too too skinny to where you're kind of worthless on the football field depending on your position and everyone's like damn the guy shredded but you can't play ball anymore because you're just maybe just don't have the energy yeah because you could be in a caloric deficit or you see this happen all the time but these athletes say they come into camp and the coaches are like dude what's going on here they had the one guy from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this year they wouldn't they wouldn't let him even like suit up they just had him like walking back and forth at practice

to like lose weight because he was like 345 pounds or something I think they had him with a weighted vest I don't know if you'll be able to track it down but what was interesting what what was really interesting is there was a situation where this guy ended up actually still making the team because he's drafted pretty high and they used them in a defensive play

And he, like, he made this awesome play because he's just so big. No one could block him. Oh, yeah, here we go. What is his name? Whoa, 450 pounds? Oh, sorry, I was way off. His name is Desmond Watson. Desmond Watts.

450 pounds? Yeah. So that was his practice. They were just like, walk your big butt back and forth. Talk about fat shaming. Jesus. Wow. The fact, though, that like, I mean, I wonder, I wonder the weight he was drafted at.

like was he a 400 pounder he's always been he's always been really really big i think he's one of the bigger drafted football players of all time i think oh my gosh just imagining though having to be like having to be on a field and running at a 400 pound human right i know it's like trying to figure out how to block him or whatever yeah yeah but you know it it's interesting too with what he mentioned he's like i eat clean now because i want to live longer That's just like, I think athlete, like, again, you know, I think people, when you're, when you're young and you're in a, and you do a sport, maybe you'll think that there's nothing that could go wrong. But it's, it's important to understand how to eat kind of healthy because a lot of stuff can go wrong, even if you're someone who's super active. So it's like you don't want to be eating crap all the time. Like some meals that are on the healthier side and some meals can be a little trashy, but like don't, don't just eat shit because you think you can get away with it.

Have you ever heard much about Hickson Gracie's diet? Because he has all these cool practices with his training and stuff. I wonder what is. I mean, he looked like he was in tremendous shape. He wasn't great shape. But I know I've never heard him talk really much about like the foods he ate. I think sometimes people can make a mistake and they can be like, oh, hoist Gracie ate whatever he wanted. And then he just like destroyed everyone.

You're like, well, okay, but maybe he could have still been better if he ate better. I mean, everyone knows, like when you do eat like a. a healthy meal you feel good after yeah you know what I mean um so it's like I don't think it makes sense to just just because you're an athlete eat dirty all the time you want to tom Brady it though and like have these like green smoothies and stuff dude absolutely sucking on some avocados and things like that absolutely that's just yes yes you should you should you should you should do some of that I mean tom Brady also had great longevity too right I know I think I think he got into it more and more as his career went longer, and I think that, you know, I was mentioning Patrick Mahomes to you guys.

What was his, what was Pat Mahomes diet that he has going on? This is a funny little excerpt from Yahoo Sports. It says, in a 2023 interview with people, Mahomes' wife, Brittany, revealed that the two-time MVP eats Doritos every night in bed. Mahomes himself also told GQ that he loved to eat a lot of chips and candy. I have to keep my body in shape, so nobody tell my trainer this or the chiefs, but I'm a big snacker. I like to eat a lot of chips, candy, whatever. it is, especially at nighttime when I know the worst part of the day is, which I know is the worst

part of the day to eat snacks. I also grab either a purple bag of Doritos or I grab gummies with Jolly Ranch or Gummies. Green's my favorite flavor or Starbursts. A purple bag of Doritos. Which flavor is that? It's a kind of spicy flavor. Yeah. Which one is that? I like that one. What is it? Yeah, that one is good. Dude, I like Doritos too. Um, that's a messed up chip. It's funny how... They are too good. I know. It's funny how people talk about seed oils.

And here he is, downing some seed oils before he goes good. Yeah, sweet, spicy chili. Oof, that's a really good flavor. I'm starting to salivate. And, you know, someone like Mahomes, he's getting older. You know, he's been dominating football for the last five, six years. He's unbelievable. He's one of the better quarterbacks that I think we've ever seen.

But I think he could, I think he could benefit from a recomp. you know probably paying attention to a little bit cleaner food yeah but again i think that could be overdone like if he tries to like lose a bunch of weight maybe that's not the greatest thing to do but maybe a little bit of bodybuilding and maybe some you know other things in the off season just prioritizing protein and maybe trying to figure out a way to get rid of some of those Doritos but maybe he gets a lot of money from Doritos so maybe he can't really maybe he doesn't have to eat them the way he's eating them either he maybe just receive the money from them yeah Is that snacking, though, man?

Like that, that's one thing that we, it's important just minimize snacks because the amount of calories you can get through that shit. And it's crazy because he's, you know, he's on the field a lot. But I guess, you know, with his position, maybe he doesn't have to do as much running as other players. Maybe his wife can get him smaller bags of Doritos. Like, is he taking the whole bag of Doritos? This dude's having the big bag.

No one's doing the small, no, no athlete is doing the small bag of Doritos. It's only like 200 calories and those would be perfect. Yeah. No, he's definitely doing the big bag of Doritos. Damn, for sure. We've got to save Patrick Mahomes. The chiefs are only six and six. Actually, quick question.

Did you see that video from Chris Master John? I saw that he's on Rogan. I did hear some of it. I don't know everything he said about it, though. Yeah, no, he was just, you know, he was mentioning how there are certain studies where people were, they were evaluated for a longer amount of time, and that's why people are getting the Ced oil debate wrong,

because most of the studies that are done are like eight weeks. whatever. But when you look at people long term, you see a negative detriment to that, right? And it's one, again, it's one of those things that makes you wonder. Like, right now, might not be, might not be feeling anything, might not be any negative. But maybe it's just better to be kind of safe with this shit. You know what I mean? I think we've had people on the show that have mentioned seed oils aren't a big deal, right? And then we've had people on the show that mentioned that it's like the worst thing. Full on debates about seed oils. Yeah. It got to be crazy. It's still something I keep my, I don't having the house you know i'll go out to eat and whatever i eat outside is whatever i eat out but

like it's just not something i mess with in the house yeah if i was to eat seed oils it'd be the same conditions it would be at a restaurant and i don't necessarily eat chips but if i was to eat some chips i guess that's where there would be some seed oils yeah yeah exactly but see if you can play that other clip too we have some of that uh from uh oh chocinco don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember nothing. What you consume, what you're in your intake.

It means nothing. It does. Stop saying that. It does not. Marshawn Lynch, Skittles, in the middle of the game. Me, McDonald's, before the game. It means nothing. Either you know how to play or you can't.

Either you got it or you don't. What you're putting your goddamn system is not going to change nothing. Now you're mentally fucking yourself. maybe if I stop eating this then this is help with this no it's not it will no it won't it won't it will locho

okay hold on hold on keep that thought let's use the bathroom okay pause it's like you know I like the back and forth I like that you know he's getting some push back from from Shannon Sharp who's jacked who's jacked and yeah made a career off of like

his physique was important like his strength his workouts and stuff And his brother, too. They're both in the Hall of Fame, amazing, amazing athletes and both of them in amazing shape. And I think that neither one of them would have made it as far as they did without, you know, without lifting and without good nutrition. Because the nutrition, not every, not every football player lifts and not every football player, not every football player probably even has to lift. But for the ones that probably need to lift or should be lifting,

their nutrition would be more important because you're trying to lift to put muscle mass on. You're trying to lift to get stronger. And if you don't have the nutrition basis or nutrition background, it's going to be hard to gain any of that. Ocho Cinco, you know, I don't want to say he naturally had all these things because he didn't naturally have all these things, but he was born with a certain height. I think he's like 6.3 or 6.4. And he is 6. Oh, 6.1.

Okay, there you go. I thought he was a little taller. Me too. He was just extremely fast and extremely quick, and that was probably things that developed over the years from playing football and probably playing various sports. And somewhere along the line, he recognized that the most important thing for him

wasn't necessarily the weight room. The most important thing for him wasn't necessarily the food because he doesn't really need to weigh a whole lot. 6-1, probably 180? Yeah. So Shannon was definitely like 220 something like 225 to 30 probably at 6 2 or 3 Yeah

So and Ocho Cinco I mean He did it you can't you can't really There's nothing you can say about his career where you're like Oh he could have been I don't know maybe he could have blocked a little bit better Because he could have been a little bigger from like lifting and eating more protein or something But he was awesome Yeah Yeah

And this actually makes me also think of something you know I'm curious if some people, because, you know, some people will eat candy and immediately they'll just get tired. Some people will eat candy and boom, it's like they have energy. And it's interesting because when you, when you give candy to a kid, like usually the kid isn't like feeling tired. Usually that kid is like off the walls. Yeah, the insensitivity is really high. Right. So it begs to question like, would it be beneficial then to, rather than just taking these things out of your diet, If you want to be an active person, like making yourself or becoming adapted to that, right? Be being more insulin sensitive.

So you can just like use that energy versus totally taking it out of fat and sugar out of what you eat. Oh, that's not forget to. They have loads of gatorade on the sidelines. Oh, yeah. And that's, you know, 16 grams of sugar in every serving. It's two different types of sugar. I think it's like fructose and I forget what the other one is. But they have, you know, they have basically a.

pick line of sugar on the sidelines. And I think there's been a lot of research that's shown that some sugar during exercise can be really beneficial. Pary nutrition or post after a workout or after a hard session, a cardio, or after a hard session of lifting. It could be really beneficial to have a little bit of carbohydrate and stuff like that and sugar. Now, I know that, you know, D.K. Metcalf, we've went over that diet before on this show where he was, you know, talking about eating bags of candy. But he was also talking about fasting and people neglected to even listen to that part. All they heard was that he eats two bags of candy. But two bags of candy, especially if they're candies that aren't loaded with fat as well, there's not that many

calories in there. And for a guy that's 6-240, he could easily handle two bags of candy with no problem. Absolutely no issue. And that's just, again, the dude. has so much muscle that's just that that that's going straight to activity but again that's that's what you got to think about here with you and your personal diet whoever you are think about how active you are how much you do and maybe are you in the shape you want to be in if the answer is yes maybe you can allow yourself to have a little bit more of certain things that are going to feel performance right versus and if you want to you can just eat paleo and clean for the rest of your life which is fine but like I don't know I don't want to do

In jiu-jitsu, it's probably all over the map, right? You probably run into guys that have lousy diet, and you're probably run into guys that are good to have. Like, there's some guys that don't even, they don't even barely lift or train. They just do jiu-jitsu, and they're awesome, right? Yeah, yeah. I think, you know, jiu-jitsu is the type of sport.

I was mentioned to you. It's kind of like CrossFit, where there are, it's a great sport because you don't have to be a super athlete to do jiu-jitsu, right? but there are ranges of levels in the same exact school there are guys who are really really good and there are people who are novices but when it comes to the nutrition thing I think it's like just like every single sport it's like the wild west some people fast some people don't pay attention to their food at all I think most people are trying to figure out what their diet should be you know but that's I think that's one of the struggles when people ask me about like

my diet because it's like I don't necessarily have a diet um I just kind of eat healthy for the most part to fuel my performance, right? And right now I'm not going to be eating for the next few days, but it's one of those things where, you know, we've learned all these different aspects of nutrition, and we know when we can pull on different levers. We know when we can pull on some fasting, you know, when you can pull on some freaking sugar, you know?

So it's learning how to, if you want to, you can learn how to become flexible with these things, or you can find a diet and then you can stick to it for us forever. you want you think it matters if someone's kind of eating like shit depends on the person you know um if you're if you're an athlete if you have a lot of activity i think you can kind of afford because generally eating like shit also means excess calories so if you're someone who's doing a lot of activity at the end of the day you do need those excess calories to be able to perform it's a good point that's mainly what it means right it mainly just means you're getting excess excess calories

And maybe, maybe, I guess you could also look at like maybe you're micronutrient deficient. Oh, yeah. Maybe you're eating like real just trash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eating McDonald's every meal and not getting in solid meals at anywhere else. You might be missing out on some vitamins and minerals that might be important. That might, you know, the thing to think about here, I think is like how far off track are you? Like if your diet is really way off and you're just like only consuming like bread or something like that, some weird.

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Yeah. You don't run into the hormonal issues. You know, they were talking earlier about a bodybuilding diet and really like cutting your calories. So if you just chop your calories down completely, that's probably one of the worst things you can do as an athlete trying to think about that is probably the worst thing you can do as an athlete

is just to have your, it's just to not have enough nutrition. Absolutely. That's probably worse than overeating. Oh, easily. For most sports. Easily. Maybe overeating, I guess you could say

if you are like a Tour de France athlete or something like that, like their VO2 max is like a huge thing or if they're a triathlete, you can't, if you're supposed to weigh 146 and you weigh 156 you're done you're not you're not even going to like if you normally finish in the top 10 you're going to be nowhere to be found that's again that's a sport where it's like to over eat you got to work you're right right you know like you really have to yeah you'd have to hammer

food all day yeah yeah yeah so you know it's it's it would be difficult and you're fasting right now because you have a stomach thing on yeah yeah yeah I don't know what the heck I ate but something is trying to find its way out and as it finds its way out more and more, I feel better and better. So I just decided I'm just going to do a 72. And, yeah, I'll do a 72. Maybe just play a little bit more of this clip. There's a little bit more juice than this one.

Do you want me to start from when Ocho Seco comes back in? Yeah, sure. Increase all these soft tissue injuries because these goddamn fools. Keep listening to all these experts and all these damn scientists eating like goddamn rabbits, eating all this greens. Ocho, Ocho, let's not demonetize us tonight. What, what it is? I curse? Cursie.

Yeah. Yeah, like 14 times and like 15 words. My bad, you know I get real passionate when we talk. Yes, I don't. Yeah, okay, my bad, my bad. But I'm just saying. Damn, I'll show the Cether's so white. Okay.

It's crazy. Yes. Sorry. But I do think there's a correlation between. And I'm not saying that, you know, You have to eat all one way, but to eat like you did before, I just don't, I don't, I don't see it. You put premium gas in your car, right? Why don't you, why don't you just put regular gas in your new car?

I do. No, you don't. I don't. You don't. When you had that Ferrari, when you had that Bugatti, you did not put regular gas in it. Why not, Ocho? Tell the people why you did not put regular gas, the lowest grade of gas, in that car. Tell the people why you didn't do it.

I don't like the comparison. Yeah, I do. I don't, because we play a barbaric sport. You have to eat. You have to eat. You have to eat. You can eat. Like that healthy stuff. That's why everybody's falling apart.

You're falling apart because you eat like a goddamn infant. No. Eat food. They eat food. You eat food. You got to build up a callus in the body. That's why everybody's falling apart. Everybody getting hurt.

Everybody, um, nobody touching you. They fall in the part, like a Barbie doll. When you remember the Barbie doll back in the days? Oh, oh, oh. Derek Henry, you healthy. Derek Henry, he healthy. What? Derek Henry.

No, he don't. Yes, he does. No, he don't. He don't. Okay, listen. Derek Henry, he healthy. LeBron James, he healthy. Okay, Tom Brady, he healthy.

That's three people. Out of how many? Okay. Out of high many? I agree with Ocho to an extent. Yeah, I think it's amazing. It's really interesting how he thinks a lot of the injuries are because of people like eating healthier. I wouldn't doubt that like if you, again, if you're not consuming enough energy that you could be putting yourself in harm's way.

Like if you're going out in a football field and you're and you're like tired, you don't have good energy, then I think, of course you're going to feel like you're to fall apart. but um i always have felt that you know i think uh one of the only people i ever heard really talk about this topic that was a nutrition person was john keifer he talked about some of the benefits of eating shitty food and what it could potentially do for you so you have to think that no matter how shitty a food is almost there's probably some shitty foods out there that are just completely shitty but for the most part things do good and bad right so the things that are bad there's still probably some good to them yeah so it's not i think he has a decent point i also think that what you said earlier is probably the

key is that you're just having some foods that are fun here and there you're leaving some room for some foods that are fun uh because the sport that you're doing it could be really demanding and if that's super demanding along with the training that it takes for it it'd be nice to have some de-stressers in your life. You can have some things that you really look forward to and you really enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a tough thing, the self-control aspect with this stuff. Because most, again, I think once you open that door, you got to be responsible. You know what I mean? You can't allow yourself to like build the habit of having too much of that stuff. And again, we've talked about these types of foods are designed for you to overeat them. So if you know,

you can have a level of self-control some of these things cool. But even so, for me, there are just certain things I know I don't have self-control with them. I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna mess with them. There are other things I know I can have control with and I'll allow those in

because I'm not gonna overeat them. Find out what those things are for you and then, you know, it's high trait them into your diet. But be careful. You gotta be careful, especially like the candy and the processed foods because they can be useful, especially like you do a lot of,

if you do a lot of high intensity work, but it can get out of hand very, very, very quickly. I mean, shoot, the amount of athletes you see, they stop playing their sport and they just blow up, right? Because they're eating the same way they were when they're an athlete. You got to learn how to adjust. I know some strong men athletes. They've hired nutrition coaches before, and then they weren't happy with it. You know, there wasn't like enough, there wasn't enough, like, freedom in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, like, wanted to change. And I know, like, right now, there's, there's, like, one or two main guys that have a lot of success

with their athletes that I wonder I remember Brian Shaw you know he'd have like cheesecake like almost every night I'm like what kind of I was just like teasing him what kind of diet is this he's like this is what my coach tells me to you know and and he it was something that he looked forward to and those you know people that know Brian Shaw he's four-time world's strongest man and he's really very he was very regimented with his training he worked really hard and so that probably felt great to have some cheesecake when you uh at the end of the day and maybe for him maybe just because he was looking forward to it and maybe because the extra calories maybe it helped him to avoid some injuries yeah no it's if your job is to also try to be as like big and strong as possible right you can fit in a lot

of crap right but for for the rest of us you got a you got a you got to have level of discernment with this strength is never weakness week this week this never strength Catch you guys later. Bye.