Mark Bell's Power Project - Is Jordan Peterson Wrong About the Curvy Swimsuit Model, Yumi Nu? MBPP EP. 748

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

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You were a little bit high I heard Tom Segura and Burt Kreischer Talking about Kratom And they were talking about maybe It being an alternative for Burt Instead of drinking I was like That's not a bad idea I do Burt instead of drinking. I was like, yeah, that's not a bad idea.

I do it sometimes instead of drinking. But you don't drink. I don't love alcohol. I do like to drink, actually. I mean, I love, like, my wife and I sometimes we'll just have, like, a random glass of wine, like, during the week. We'll just be like, oh, let's just sit down and a random glass of wine like during the week just to be like i'll just sit down

and have a glass of wine and we just sit down and we go into uh we just sit with no tv on or anything like that and just and just kind of chill and it's fucking awesome but like i'm also not i don't really love the taste of alcohol necessarily and i don't really just i never really fell into alcohol you know i know some people, they have gotten into a pattern where they were maybe drinking multiple days in a row. And I just – luckily, I've never fell into that. Alcohol is a rough one. Like even when I think about – OK, it's not good to be necessarily addicted to anything. But people who are alcoholics to an extent, right?

But people who are alcoholics to an extent, right, they drink an insane amount of alcohol and they get belligerently drunk and it affects their life versus people who take kratom too much because I know some people take kratom too much. It's like, OK, what would be the lesser of two evils? I would assume it would be kratom. Like I don't – luckily, I'm not one of those people who feels the need for it. But when I take it, it puts me in a good mood. I feel happy. I feel empathetic, right? And it doesn't affect me cognitively in which case I can't have a conversation or I can't do things with people. It just puts me in a better mood.

Alcohol would put me in a good mood too. I get super laughy. You all have seen it. Naked maybe. But it's – I guess it's not ideal. It's not as, not nearly as good. So I would say, I would say also too, you know, um, if something causes a problem in other areas of your life, you know, do you miss, uh, like is your, is your fitness, is your overall health suffering because of said addiction? Um, do you miss work? Are you late for work?

Is it negatively impacting relationships and those kinds of things? And that's where I would say, look, you know, you'd have to go way out of your way. In my opinion, you'd have to go way out of your way with kratom to do that, to like, to take so much kratom that it would disrupt your life. Like that's a lot. That's very, very excessive amounts. And I'm not saying that there's nobody that could do that because I've heard of people like taking straight like kratom powder and they make shakes with it and stuff and they get grams and grams of kratom. And, you know, that's definitely not the way that we use it. But it's just interesting. Like I know some people that have traded out marijuana for you know

uh alcohol and it's like it's not good to go around for alcohol yeah uh yeah so like in place of drinking they smoke pot basically and um again i i you know i don't know we could argue like which one's better or worse. But whatever it is you're hooked to, even if you went in the other direction and went from marijuana to alcohol, if you just did less of it and it was less invasive in your life, then I think you ended up with a small victory. Still got to get you to. We got to have that episode. We have to do that episode where you take your first hit and see how we do. We got to watch like some stupid movie or something too, right? No, we have to have like a very serious conversation when you do it.

Okay. And just see where your mind goes because your mind is a very interesting mind in and of itself. You'll be fucking all over the place. But with weed, ooh, that's going to be fun. I can't wait. And we can get some stuff for the munchies maybe. Yeah. Just get a whole lineup of processed oreos

fucking mcdonald's like be a hell of a hell of a day and i want to see andrew do it so he can see him get like see 3d pixels everywhere oh dude no it's not 3d it's 2d everything turns 2d if i get high like you guys turn into paper mario like you just turn into straight billboards, like just moving around. It's not so much the sound. Yeah, I don't know. Everything turns flat. I do not like it. And then my like frames per second goes down to like four. The time dilation thing is real.

Like time does like. So we would be like, and Seema and I would be like hopping over turtles and shit like that. That would be fun. Punch it up on question marks. Kind of get those mushrooms. Maybe mushrooms. That makes me actually really curious. For those of you in the audience who smoke weed here and there, what is your experience with it?

How do you use it? For what reasons? And what is your experience when you do it? I just need it to get by. Just got to take the edge off, man. Oh, my God. Okay. Anyway, I was on a run with my wife this morning, and I got to say, that bitch is a savage.

She really is. You know, like she doesn't ever run. She just recently started like messing around with some running. And I was like, oh, I'll go on a run with her today. And she's like, well, don't leave me in the dust and all this. And I'm like, no, first of all, I don't even think I can leave you in the dust. But secondly, I need to just do more of a casual run anyway. I ran last night and stuff like that.

And so I ran. I kind of jogged. It wasn't like I was running, running. I jogged. But then about halfway through, I was like, oh, I'll do some intervals because I can do like an interval and I can come back. And so I do these intervals and I'm like, I'll just like run back to her. I go to turn around. She's fucking right there.

I'm like, are you fucking crazy? What are you doing? And she's not dying. She's not dying. You know, and I do another one and she's still there and I do another one. She's still there. She just kept coming like do another one and she's still there and I do another one and she's still there. She just kept coming like fucking Jason Voorhees on Friday the 13th. Well, she does swim fucking miles.

That's wild. I do wonder like her, you know, also. She said her legs, you'll feel her legs. Her legs will get tired and her legs will get sore. Like the quads or calves? Yeah, I think quads and calves. Quads and calves. And then her, like her back will get kind of tight from it.

Just she's not used to it. But I think she could fucking run like a maniac probably in terms of her lung capacity. Oh, easily. I also wonder, were you watching her breathing? How was she breathing naturally since she's a swimmer? She was breathing pretty good. I didn't hear her breathing hardly at all until we started picking up the pace a little bit. Then I heard her breathing a little bit.

I've heard her say that swimming doesn't translate very well in the gym because like we would do whether it be like sleds or something and she'd be like all that tells me is that swimming doesn't carry over for shit but like for running does it carry over yeah i think so yeah i think like cardiovascularly i think it carries over big time so i think if she lifted weights for a while or did like crossFit style workouts, I think she would do pretty well with it. For her to be repeatedly explosive, that kind of stuff can be really hard for her. And she almost doesn't like know any better. So she can also hurt herself because she doesn't have, I mean, picture having no limitations with your lung capacity.

You got zero limitation with your lung capacity. Like how hard could you go and hit the bags and stuff like that? You know, if you were punching the bags, you could just go nuts. But then you would be like, holy fuck, I made myself really sore. It's almost nice to have that limiter on yourself to where it's like, oh yeah, I can't breathe. Let me, let me rest in between sets. And I know this firsthand experience. Probably the worst things I've ever done as like a trainer or coach is had people that weren't in shape not rest enough in between sets. It's a great way to annihilate somebody and make them very, very sore without them even recognizing it. If they're just not conditioned for it, they can get smoked by it. There's the other aspect with her being like a swimmer, having hypermobile ankles and potentially even wrists. Like, you know, if your ankles are able to get in those positions to be able to actually have a really strong kick. Right.

Then when you're running and you need it, you don't want all of that crazy mobility when doing that. It's right. It's interesting. I mean, you need to be a little more plyometric in the water there's like i don't know maybe pushing off the wall maybe there's some plyometric thing going on there but kicking of the the feet you know using your uh hip flexors and stuff maybe i don't know if she talked a lot of trash on eddie hall not as bad as in sema did but she talked a lot of trash on eddie hall oh you mean in terms of the fight or his swimming technique is the fighting oh yeah no she well my wife was talking about him swimming. Okay. Saying you were talking about him

fighting. But my wife's like, I got a lot of questions. She's like, when is this guy going to be around? I was like, I don't know. We got to have him around because it'd be great to have you swim against him. But she's like, the meters of the pool. She's like, that doesn't even make sense. They don't have pools that are that length. And she's like, handheld timer. She's like the meters of the pool. She's like, that doesn't even make sense. Like they just, they don't have pools that are that length. And she's like handheld timer. She's like, nobody does that. Like you just,

you just don't do it in swimming. Like maybe you do it in like forties. He posted maybe a couple of weeks ago, uh, him doing a 50 or something, a 50 free. And, uh,

he posts, he like posted his time or whatever. I don't know. She thought it was bullshit. She's like, I can smoke that guy. I was like, that would be so interesting. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't think Eddie Hall wants to take that challenge on.

Have you tried swimming? I've never tried. Never? So I cheated really bad and beat her one time, like, doing, like, half a lap in the pool. But, like, I literally just was on the other side of the pool, and I was like, let's race. And she's like, what? Yeah. So here's Eddie Hall.

He's reaching pretty well, though. I mean, like, for a guy his size. Yeah, she said it was horrible. And also his, like, a guy his size. Yeah. She said it was horrible. And also his like push off the wall. She just said like there's like this time is like bullshit in accordance to like the way that he pushed off the wall and stuff. She's like, there's just no way that he could get these. I don't know exactly what she's referring to because I don't know swim talk. But clearly, I mean, the main point of Eddie Hall posting something like that is that he's obviously very proficient at swimming.

He's not just somebody that used to splash around in the water. Yeah, that was his sport. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what Eddie Hall looked like when he was leaner. You know, that's a very interesting thing because I only know Eddie Hall as being big. I don't know if we can find that. But, yeah, in the water, I'm like a rock. It's not because I'm black black i know your mind went there once you chuck it i'm like ah it's because you're black like no

i can somewhat float in open water i think i would die uh which is why i wouldn't take that chance but i mean it's uh we're dense i want i wonder what we do i wonder how we do in the pool i know uh like ben alderman was working on his swimming a couple years ago, and that guy's got a caboose on him too. Oh, yeah. He's got a fucking butt, right? And he's got those jacked fucking legs too. And it's just like he's swimming, and he's pulling halfway decent with the upper body, but the lower body is just dragging under the water like a giant anchor. Yeah.

And Andy's like's you're just yeah it's just not going to be able to go anywhere with that damn that big old caboose back there fucking even though the water doesn't help uh balance it out yeah it's just catching all the waves making just wakes the whole the whole lane exactly there is one picture of eddie hall that i can't find but he just he seriously looks like a cholo it's fucking awesome he's super lean he's got he's got a buzzed haircut or cholo what's that mean here we go hold on well this is him at 18 this is not the picture that i thought but when i pull this up you'll be like oh yeah that guy looks like he probably stole a couple of rims oh yeah yeah looks like he stole a couple of rims that's great 100 oh god damn yeah 100 this guy had very high

socks yeah and he does look like a cholo in this one man but there's one where he has like tat this is supposedly him at 18 damn but there's one where he has like all the tattoos and stuff i think he was like on a boat i was like what the fuck he even had like big like uh saggy like jean or uh like jean shorts yeah i was just like dude he had some jorts going on yeah very mexican okay that's all i'm gonna say well eddie has talked about like in his i mean when we podcast with him he talked about his youth yeah he was he was up to some shit yeah oh yeah he was a hooligan right yeah yeah anyway speaking of swimming let's get to the swimsuit stuff we were uh texting each other back and forth about uh some of this uh sports illustrated stuff we saw uh jordan peterson voices opinion and uh

it's i don't know it's just always interesting when people take kind of these hard stances i mean to me it sounded like jordan peterson uh fat people. I mean that's kind of what it sounded like. about everybody could say, aside from people that are really pleased with their physique through maybe fitness and maybe some people that have learned to control their food, most people are like, yeah, you know what? I got some extra body fat on me. And this woman has some extra body fat on her, but she still, to me, looks very attractive. She still looks very pretty. And when I see something like that and then people are – kind of have this uproar about like who it's supposed to represent and what it means and all this stuff. Not that I'm saying that I want to see a huge person in a swimsuit. But I don't believe that this girl represents bigger women, bigger girls, obesity, the obesity epidemic in the United States.

Okay, so you're talking about like when you said – like you're talking about obesity, like being really out of shape. It doesn't represent America. I mean America is what, like 70 percent overweight? And it's like what now we're like, I don't know, 50 percent obese? I don't know if I'm off with those numbers but it's pretty high from from what i know now i don't now if you look at this girl and you start to look at other images of her uh her arms her face her boobs her butt everything looks really fucking good i think she looks like a street fighter character right here um she doesn't look excessively overweight yeah i mean okay obviously

like pull up the photo right there in the swimsuit, the green one. Okay. She's not in bodybuilding industry, fitness industry shape or even old school bikini model shape. Because when you look at like old school bikini girls or bikini models, not fitness girls, but bikini models and even models, models number one a lot of them are very skinny a lot of them don't have any muscle a lot of them aren't like athletic right um and these models talk about how they diet themselves down for doing these things where they starve themselves so a lot of these models on a lot of these covers you know have a lot of unhealthy practices like right here she's holding holding a little bit of body

fat in extra places. But like you mentioned yesterday, it's all the right places. Yeah, right, right. And this isn't some people's type. Some people don't find her particularly attractive. Okay. Some people do. And she's not bad looking. It'd be interesting to know how she feels. Yeah. I don't, I haven't heard, I haven't seen her talk. So the way that somebody feels is a big deal. Like that is a very attractive picture right there. Yeah. And to me, like, I'm just thinking like that person probably feels pretty good about themselves. Like when somebody, yeah, when somebody enters a room and they like, there's different ways

of wearing certain types of clothes, you know, uh, you wear something that's maybe revealing and if you're kind of shy and like, you're, you know, it's just not the same. Yeah. As if you're super confident in it. And this woman looks like she's very confident. I think that alone is very attractive. And there's other aspects, dude. It's like, number one, look at that butt.

Andrew. Hey, hey. I'm just scrolling through. Andrew, settle down. All I'm doing is pressing the button. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, and bam. All I'm doing is pressing the button. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, and bam.

Like, it's not my fault. This is an interesting thing because culturally, different cultures will have different types of body types as like an avatar of that culture, correct? Like, for example, I mean, black people, black men and black women typically will tend to just gravitate towards having bigger butts. Like men too, you know, even without trying. What? When I got my DEXA scan done and she was looking at my body fat distribution,

she's like, you hold your body fat like a kind of like a woman. I'm like, or you mean a black person? That's just how it would be. And you'll see like different cultures. I mean, when they gain body fat, like for some reason, a lot of Asian people within Asian cultures have really big calves.

It's like there's different types of bodies, right? And the one body that like, obviously you've been seeing the United States has been, you know, skinny body, kind of skinny in multiple areas. But as pop culture and hip hop culture has gotten, has kind of skinny in multiple areas but as pop culture and a hip-hop culture has gotten has kind of gotten its way in there's been a want towards the thicker body so big boot like we started the big booty in the early 2000s and then it was like big booty and big tits and it's like

now this super curvy person right so it's like some people don't find it attractive some people do but there's varying levels of beauty and that's okay and how do you have big boobs you got to have some weight on you you know like i mean there are women that are gifted where that's like holy shit they have big old boobs and they're they're thin and they got other body fat and all the right places and muscle and all the right spots right these are talented ladies that are out there. Right? But most of the time, if you're going to be big busted, then you have to have some body weight on you in some other spots. And what do you hear women say right away when they start to lose weight?

They're just like, oh, the first thing that goes is my boobs. That's what you always hear. What I took exception to that Jordan Peterson said more than anything was, and I know, you know, maybe we can bring up the clip. Let's bring up the, yeah, let's maybe bring up the clip. But he was kind of saying like how she was unathletic. Look at Michaela Peterson's page. She was saying how she was unathletic. And I'm like, I know a lot of girls that look a little bit like this girl and they would fucking wreck you, especially in like a workout or something.

Like a lot of times these girls are strong. A lot of times they're explosive. Like to me, this girl looks like a former maybe volleyball player or something like that or softball. Softball. I don't know. Softball player will fuck you up. And also like the athletes look different. Different athletes in different sports. When you look at very high-level powerlifters, when you look at gymnasts, when you look at individuals who do wrestling or martial arts, there are different body types and different weight classes of these sports.

And these people are able to perform. They don't look like just one type of human being or one type of athlete. So the unathlete, let's just play it. It's very interesting. Sorry, not beautiful. And then everyone got upset. Yes, they did. They had a rather overweight young woman

with a very revealing swimsuit on the cover. And I thought, no, the cover bothered me a lot because it was a cheap manipulation of something that had been working very well for Sports Illustrated. It was also an insistence that all of a sudden this non-athletic body is as beautiful as the standard swimsuit model it's not it's not as athletic and it's not as healthy and that's that and then it's a lie that so that man that can be argued massively. It's not healthy.

Not healthy compared to what? Not healthy compared to Heidi Klum? Not healthy compared to like a supermodel? Like, I don't know. It seems like being a supermodel isn't necessarily that healthy. A lot of the shape and a lot of the stuff that the women probably previously have done to do some of those shoots, stuff that the women probably previously have done to do some of those shoots. It's, you know, it's probably not like they just, you know, ate a bagel and some cream cheese and rolled into the shoot. And it probably, they probably prepared a lot for some of that. And probably some of them,

probably many of them used unhealthy practices to get certain types of bodies because they were aware that they had a certain type of shoot. I'm not saying all of them, but that's just very arguable. You can argue that point from either side, whether that girl's athletic or unathletic in comparison to whom, in comparison to other girls that have been on the cover. Like do the girls previously that are skinny, that don't have a butt, that don't have boobs, that may have been on the cover that just look really attractive in a bikini or bathing suit are they more athletic than this girl it's like i don't know are they healthier is she healthier she doesn't look unhealthy does she look unhealthy or unathletic to either one of you guys in any way uh again unathletic i don't know like this is this is

the thing the unathletic thing is a very interesting point because when you – number one, on the cover of Sports Illustrated, there's not just one cover. We got to remember this. This is the cover that a lot of people are talking about because she looks different from a lot of other women. They also put a 70-year-old person on the cover, which I think is Elon Musk's mother. Yeah, Maya Musk. 70-something years old. on the cover, which I think is Elon Musk's mother. Yeah, Maya Musk. 70-something years old. They also had Ciara.

Actually, right here. They had Kim Kardashian, who, I mean, we know has a fake butt. Ciara, Maya Musk, and Yumi Nu. Who's Ciara? Ciara's a... Click on that. I had a big old crush on Ciara when I was younger, and even now, like, she is

fucking... So this one gets... This one, one unfortunately gets overlooked, but it shouldn't. We should be examining this for the rest of the show. Congratulations. Congratulations, Russell Wilson. That's his wife. Yeah. Yeah. That's Russell Wilson's wife, man.

Oh, I've seen her at a football game before. And Ciara is like, number one, she's a great dancer. She's a great artist. She a great she's a great singer she can she can do super athletic things when she dances too like actually just her skill is amazing that song andrew put some of the other pictures but that song body party i don't remember that oh my god i might play i remember one two step yeah of course that was the thing she came out looks incredible body party though oh my god okay but uh well okay okay go ahead sorry yeah okay but the on on the athlete thing when you look through other covers of sports illustrated from like years before um and even on you know years before

you'll see a lot of really skinny models especially in the 1990s early 2000s just skinny women who have you know boobs and they look good but do you think that they're athletic or is it just that they look good the number are some of them just skinny with fake tits or something just skinny with fake tits but but this is the thing this is going over the top but i mean yeah it's like the unathletic thing's very odd and then the not beautiful thing is also something that I'm just like, like, OK, I love Jordan Peterson. I have his books. I'm a huge fan. I listen to a lot of his stuff. I love what he talks about. But sometimes, like, I think certain takes are just kind of weird because not beautiful. OK, you don't think something's beautiful. But I mean, come on, bro. We have multiple other covers. I think 1999 was the first time that we had a black woman, Tyra Banks, on the cover of Sports Illustrated. And that was wild because up until that point, there has never been a black woman on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. Seems so ridiculous. That's insane.

And then also… Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. Homegirl wasn't the first one that was a, quote, full-figure model, whatever is politically correct. But Ashley Graham? It's insane. Again, everyone's welcome to think. I'm speechless. My heart is racing right now.

Everyone's welcome to think what they think is beautiful and what they don't like. That's taste. That's why the covers typically give you multiple options of what you can purchase. You don't have just that one. But, I mean, 2016. Yeah. Hello. Mark, did you want to go in on how you and I both agree that this isn't just the best picture that they could have done?

We also didn't finish the clip of Pearson. Oh, well, shit. Hold on. Let me. Oh, yeah. Let's play it one more time, I guess. Yeah. Yes, they did they had a rather

overweight young woman with a very revealing swimsuit on the cover and i thought no the cover bothered me a lot because it was a cheap manipulation of something that had been working very well for sports illustrated it was also an insistence that all of a sudden this non-athletic body is as beautiful as the standard swimsuit model. It's not. It's not as athletic and it's not as healthy. And that's that. And then it's a lie that's a manipulation of that young woman. They're not on her side.

They're exploiting her. And she may be participating in that exploitation, but they're still exploiting her. So don't pull any moral stunts on me because you're irritated about my opinion when it's bloody clear to anybody with eyes that that was manipulative in 20 different ways not everyone's a genius not everyone's picasso not everyone's young and healthy not everyone is a sports illustrated swimsuit model period and fuck you if you don't like it all right what he curses that's kind of fire because you don't hear that guy that's dope so i at the end there so he he makes his point and he's like claims that this isn't beautiful period right i don't like that because like why are you the judge of beauty why can't the rest of us weigh in on this too um the manipulation part that part's really

interesting and when and when he gets fired up and he says, fuck you and stuff like that, I actually like that too because that's his opinion. Now he's talking about like, okay, that's your opinion. You're totally entitled to that. You think this girl doesn't look great. She's unathletic, unhealthy. Fine. But don't make that a statement.

It's a conversation to have. Like, you know, is there a reason for bigger people to be represented? If you watch TV nowadays, you watch any sitcom and you see any commercials, commercials have way heavier people on there. Commercials have a wide diversity of people on there as well to the point where sometimes you don't see nearly as many white people as you've seen in years past. Let's not do this again, Mark. Let's not go down this rabbit hole again, Mark. I know, but they'll probably be like to some extent, they'll probably be like, oh, fuck, let's make sure we have a white guy in there. Because they go so far the other way, which I think is...

Or like nowadays, you know how back in the day, the criminal or the robber would be like the black guy. But now you see the white guy, that's a thief. I just thought of it as like, it's like an affirmative reaction. They're like, oh, fuck.

Affirmative reaction. Dude, we gotta... it dude we had a that was good oh my god holy shit years ago uh at super training we had a black dude come in and train with us we have rules around here we only have a couple at a time we got in and out with uh bill and sema they gotta like tag each other in and out i'm just fucking around i remember it was bill and sema then torell used to work here where he's like guys yeah i look at sorel and they'll be like

what's going on here there's three of us it's like a spider-man meme oh my god fuck this black dude comes in gets gets a great workout in i was fired up because he did really well and he this guy deadlifted like 585 and stuff. And I was like, oh man, this is cool. And the guy was local. And this is when we're at the old gym, we're at Midtown. And I'm like, oh man, this would be cool if this guy was around. It's always amazing when we have people come in that are, that are already strong, that already can move some weight. So he takes off and he leaves. And one of our other guys is about ready to leave and he's like

he goes my wallet was right there he's like i know for sure that my it's like my fucking wallet was right there and i know that the black dude just left a few minutes ago and i'm thinking like i'm the only one that like has his number, you know? So I'm like, no, I'm like, what are the odds?

He comes in this one time, you know? And I call him, right? He answers his phone. He goes, I know I'm the only black guy there. And I do have your,

I do have somebody else's wallet. He's like, I'm already turned around. He's like, I know. I'm the only black guy there. And I do have somebody else's wallet. He's like, I'm already turned around. He's like, I'm already heading back to the gym. And he comes back and he shows me. He puts the wallet down. He goes, look at it. And his wallet was exactly the same. 100% exactly the same looking wallet.

And it was just hilarious. He's awkward. He's like, fuck. I was like, this guy's never coming back. Fuck. Oh,

man. Oh, gosh. Anyway, hopefully I get this canceled. No, no, this is just funny.

It's fucking funny, dude. the, the, what were you about to say? Mark was talking about how it was a little bit manipulative. Oh, dude. What were you about to say? Mark was talking about how it was a little bit manipulative. Oh, yeah, yeah. From Sports Illustrated, sure.

But, you know, we mentioned this on the show before. Like, do other people need representation? Like, are people heavier now? Is there different body types and stuff going on right now? Gotta be careful with that word all of a sudden. And if you look at, again, if you look at a lot of the commercials that we're seeing, like I was watching something the other day and I was just thinking like, does the guy in this commercial need to be this fat? But who are these people that are taking these medications? They're very heavy people, right? So it makes sense to have the commercial with somebody that's more representative of the clientele of the person that is taking the prescription drug, right? Yeah, and even in cartoons and stuff now, not like WALL-E, but I can't remember which show it was, but the parents were really fluffy.

They were overweight when the kids weren't, but the parents were. And I just remember I noticed it and'm just like that's that's weird i don't remember you know the parents like being this big you know like they were always like big as in tall and stuff but now it does seem like they are trying to be like uh i guess make it seem like it's like oh look at they're just like your parents or something you know something to relate to which is fucked andrew can you can you go to youtube because all right while we're on this fun topic of uh just companies taking advantage of of uh you know yeah because you know it's pride month so all these companies going to be making commercials like that and when it was including the power project to get a couple on the show for pride

month for pride month but dude andrew type in lizzo in real tone on YouTube. It has 1.6 million views. This, honestly, I'm like, if people fall for this shit. Is this it right here? Yes. Play that video, dog. This is the funniest. I saw this ad. I'm like, nah.

This is like the onion or some shit. Just historically camera. Yeah. Dark complexions have always struggled with having good lighting. Every single yearbook photo of mine has been terribly shot since I was a kid. some shit just historically camera yeah can you pause andrew weren't standing in the right spot like if i still like it's just it's just the way you took the photo turn around and get some sun. Boom. But Google, what the fuck? Keep playing, bro.

Are they trying to blame the way the iPhone works? That it's discriminatory? They're trying to say the flash is, you know, these cameras have been able to take. It only works for certain tones. But, you know, darker toned people, well, they need the pixel play. Is this real? That's real. I'm saying, what is this shit? Oh, my God.

And they have all these colors behind her just to show. I don't know if this is an inappropriate time to bring this up up but i did sit on a black guy in a movie theater one time wait was he like wearing all black too and he was very dark i saw him after the show he's like it happened before he said he goes i'm jamaican oh fuck these things just happen bro there ain't no way about it these things just happen all dark movie theater a darker complexion man i mean it's a it's a it's an accident that can happen right but really quick the uh the the the phone has nothing to do with this image there's a beauty dish on top of her creating creating an amazingly perfect lighting.

That's why I'm happy you're a photographer. This is amazing. You know the tech of this shit. Let's keep playing it. It's all you're going to say. Okay. This is real. Into the sun.

They have the soulful music behind. It's just normal pictures. Yeah, this is all bright now. All out in the sun. Oh, yeah. Take pictures in the sun. Fuck off. So companies be doing this shit.

You know what I mean? When Jordan Peterson said a cheap manipulation, I understood that in other contexts. But in the context of a Sports Illustrated cover, it's just a... We have four fucking covers, bro. of a sports illustrated cover it's just a we have four fucking covers bro we have an old white woman kim k ciara and a slightly overweight model she's not fat fat i mean i'm sorry it's not the best she's not obese or anything she's just more overweight but she still looks pretty good so it's not a manipulation of anything it's just showing these are different bodies that can look good in swimsuits even lululemon i saw i was i was in their store and i'm seeing on the backdrop of you know they had people that

were a bit overweight running because guess what overweight people fucking run they didn't used to have above a size 10 there and i think they have like 12 or 14 nowadays because guess what yeah there are people of different sizes that are exercising trying to get into the best shape that they can be and they need fucking clothing that's the other side of it too it's like how do we know this girl that is on the cover um the one that's a little heavier how do we know that like she didn't maybe struggle with her weight her whole life and maybe she dropped maybe she dropped some weight in the last five six years and gotten better shape and is now a model because of it i mean it's it's not like she wasn't a model previously either.

Yeah. That's the other thing is like she's an actual model. How much weight, you know, how overweight is she? It's like I don't even know. That's not for me to determine or really any of us. But like if we're just trying to be like really honest in terms of, you know, getting off like excess weight, it's like, I don't know, maybe there's 20 there to lose, maybe 20 or 30. But like, that doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Like in this day and age, with all the modern conveniences that we have, people are massively overweight. People are massively overweight. Do we need to have a little bit heavier people probably represented? And would it be nice for people to talk about it more and for people to imagine if this girl has a message that entices other women, that helps other women feel empowered, not to stay the same, but to make improvements, to make progress. Because nothing is about – nothing is necessarily about perfection. That's what we used to be sold. And I think people are smart enough to realize it's not about perfection nothing is necessarily about perfection. That's what we used to be sold. And I think people are smart enough to realize it's not about perfection. It's about progress. Where are you now? And can you get a little bit better? And maybe, maybe this inspires some people to say, Hey, look, you know, she was, there's a lot of women that would die to have that figure

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If you're a guy who's 16, 20% body fat or whatever, and you're healthy, but you have a healthy lifestyle, you're working everything's good and you feel good that's fine you don't have to have 10 body fat a fucking six-pack veins going everywhere you don't need what does your wife or girlfriend like you know what ask them the main thing we're talking about is trying to be healthy you can be healthy and look like her truthfully it's it's like there's this 100 percent yeah it's not like she's gonna die earlier because she doesn't have that much extra weight on her she's not always detrimental right exactly so it's it's a very i guess again from jb uh jordan peterson it's a very interesting oh not beautiful trying to manipulate us like i get what he's saying i I get what he's saying. I do get what he's saying because there are companies do that shit. Right now, companies are doing a lot of things

to, you know, try to appease to a certain type. Fucking doing the best they can. They get put in weird situations. Starbucks years ago, they asked a black person to leave their facility and then it started a whole thing. And then if you guys remember, Starbucks was shut down for a day around the whole country,

and they had to have meetings about, which is an interesting thing, but they got to coach their people on how to not be racist or something like that. I mean, it's just weird. But again, I think companies are trying to do the best they can when it comes to Sports Illustrated. They're trying to get people to talk about it.

And they did a good job because we're sitting here talking about it. And so is everybody else. Yeah. One thing I did want to break down, though, was just the fact that I guarantee you. Photographer breakdown. Yeah. I've been a photographer for many, many years. Actually, I'll go full screen on this.

And then actually, let me break down the other images first. actually i'll go full screen on this and then actually let me break down the other images first so of ciara uh who is i mean naturally she's it's gonna be hard to take a bad picture of her yeah but what are they doing so real quick there's a shift in her uh foot placement so it's gonna put more weight on her front foot which is closest to the camera oh and that's and that's gonna put a bigger curve in her butt yes it did but also, they have her turn completely sideways. So her butt's going to look twice the size of her whole body because she's like, you know, like I said, she's very thin, but they put her sideways. So it makes her look even better. Not a fan of the hand there, but of course, the chin turn and everything, that all looks freaking incredible.

Kim Kardashian's going to be really hard to take a bad picture of her. But again, we'll look at the foot placement, like a a heavy offset here so that's going to create an amazing curve right there uh the back is arched really hard so that's going to make her butt look even bigger and make her stomach look even smaller the arms come down as like a triangle so it's going to make her look a little more slimming also going to make her boobs look bigger because they're going to be pushed out and she's a fucking dime piece so i think something's changed too like if you go back to her photo i think there's been some kind of small changes over the years like see how she kind of has like a crease there yeah in the leg they would have edited that out i think i think yeah in the past

they would have gotten rid of that but now i think that's uh uh more desirable in a way like you know showing that you got some like kind of meat yeah i'm a huge fan of that but now i think that's uh uh more desirable in a way like you know showing that you got some like kind of meat yeah i'm a huge fan of that crease by the way yeah it's attractive but that's the thing again the way the way people look at attraction in mainstream media is different that ideal body is curvier now than it was in the 90s 80s 70s so they're they're they're eating with it's definitely has it definitely has changed but it's uh what i mentioned to you guys um in an audio message back and forth was like it's kind of interesting that we still haven't landed on like someone being like muscular like we still don't

see that obviously from the men's side we see that yes we still don't see that from the women like dude imagine the fucking controversy that would hit it would be a crazy shitstorm of stuff that would happen if you put like Brooke Entz on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Yeah. You know, people would be like, she looks like a man. And you'd get all these people saying all these wild, crazy things. Or even like a Brooke Wells who has a softer look but still jacked as fuck and has abs. Yeah. It's just we just haven't gotten there

yet like people are still really i don't know if they're like uh intimidated or what the deal is or if they just really literally think it's like again i think sometimes that men and women don't understand like a guy might say i don't want a muscular woman but then so you don't until you have one yeah yeah or until someone's in front of you where you're like wow that looks incredible because there's different versions of it right there's different versions like maybe you don't want a girl that has like a giant neck and giant traps and forearms and stuff maybe maybe right but they're they're not a lot of women that train hard don't end up really looking like that they yeah most women that train hard don't end up really looking like that. Yeah. Most women that train hard aren't like jack, jack, jack.

You know what I mean? It takes a lifetime. It takes a lot to look jack, jack, jacked. But it is funny. You bring up Brooke Ance, Brooke Wells, a lot of these more muscular women that look amazing. But in that comment section, because it's an interesting thing. It would get crazy backlash if it was mainstream. But within their comment section these are people that pay attention to fitness they pay attention to crossfit they pay attention to power lifting whatever and even a lot

of the men within these audiences are like she's she's on drugs or she's too jacked or uh she looks like a man these are guys who pay attention to fitness shit. Now, think about the general population who doesn't. Like, they're used to seeing just like these type of covers, watching TV. They don't see very fit, fit women. Dude, the backlash that that would get would be insane. It would be what we see in our little fitness bubble times a fucking hundred. Yeah. So then let's see.

Let me actually do it this way. Moving on to this is Elon Musk's mom. Is it really his mom? It is. It is his mother, yeah. Okay, something I want you guys to pay attention to. You see how the arm placement? We like patterns, so these are triangles.

But also what these do is they make the midsection look even smaller because you have all this dead space right here, and that's going to make her look slimmer. And then also they have her leaned up against something uh it's people think it's just there for an ornament but it's i guarantee you this is meant to cover something that we didn't want to see in here uh and also get a chance to shave yeah and then also even just leaning come on that was good leaning up against something you know leaning up against something uh as an older uh white lady she might not have a lot of junk in the trunk so that's going to help push some of that out uh let me go to this picture before i go to the main picture so she's gorgeous she's a bigger uh like full figure woman i think that's what they call them

but notice uh but way back out uh again hard arch the exact same pose as kim kardashian like there's kind of almost like a script once you nail one pose down you can kind of get it down for just about anybody yeah notice the arms cover the slightly bigger belly than what we were used to in a swimsuit model uh but yeah so so amazing job there. And that was 2016. 2016, so not that long ago. Yeah. And then let's go to, what's her name? I forgot.

Yumi Nu. Yumi Nu. Okay. Now, I guarantee you they took thousands of pictures of her that looked way better than this. She's so pretty that it'd be very hard to take a bad picture. They didn't select the best picture for this cover, and I think they did that show on purpose

to emphasize some of the things that they were going for. I also want to say, when you and Mark were mentioning this pre-podcast, I was like, dog, what are you guys talking about? I didn't get it, but as you explained, I'm like, oh, shit, you're right. Yeah, so we'll start again from the feet, because that's usually where a pose will start.

Her legs aren't that quite shifted. The right foot's a little bit forward, but not that far forward. So that doesn't create much of a, of a like roundness over here on this side to try to emphasize a woman's figure. Hand placement. So remember on the last one where the arms were way out? Yeah. So this now makes her hips go from right here all the way to over here past her elbow.

Okay. So like that's just mushes all into one thing. The bathing suit, this swoop here, this swoop here is going to just make it seem like her boobs go from here all the way down to here. Same with that side. That's not a good selection there. Her chin, I would have liked it to be a little bit taller and higher. So that way it just makes her jawline look even more sharp. Also, like the camera could have been even higher. You see like when chicks do selfies,

they go up from up top because it hides a lot of stuff. So again, I think that they chose an image that was, that just highlighted some of the things. Oh, and then the other main thing too is this bathing suit right here. Like this is such an easy Photoshop job if they wanted to. And they do Photoshop. Like let's not like, they used Photoshop job if they wanted to. And they do Photoshop.

Like let's not – they used to Photoshop a lot of stuff. They still do Photoshop shit and they chose not to, which I mean I think is good in a way. Yeah, I think so too. But like they could have picked a different bathing suit that doesn't have this gigantic front panel and that hugs her hips right here. That also emphasizes this little extra extra i'll say it's a little roll right there um but again like there's a lot of stuff here like same with all this here um although i'm a fan of it they could have easily photoshopped some of that out and again like just the hand placement's freaking terrible kind of looks like it's in between like poses and stuff

yes yeah that's a good good way to put it it looked yeah so i just like Yeah. That's a good, good way to put it. It looked, yeah. So I just, like I said, there, there's a lot that they could have done to, to better this image. Like even just her foot placement would have helped a ton, but I think they were going for an image that's going to emphasize like, Hey, she's a full figure model.

Look at us. So let me ask you this then. Cause I, I now understand, I understand like when you look at the way a pose is done, especially you, since you, you've, you've photographed hundreds if not thousands of people.

Yeah. So you know how to pose people. And you would probably never put anybody in that bathing suit. No, I wouldn't. No. So my question to you guys is all of these flaws that we typically would call flaws, do you believe it's overall a good thing that we're, that, that people are seeing this and, and, and, and being like, cause this is the thing, man. I essentially, I was talking to my girlfriend. I wasn't, I was talking to my girlfriend and she has this friend who was like,

Oh, I've never worn a swimsuit before. I'm a little bit, um, it's a big thing for women. Yeah. It's a big thing for women. And when, was showing me what this girl looked like, I'm like, holy shit, she's worried about wearing a swimsuit? Because she was quite skinny. And even when she showed how she looked, her front, she had this line. There's a level of insecurity that people have when they have to wear more revealing clothing. Every woman's gonna have right so i think that there's an aspect of this showing like okay there are certain flaws when you wear swimsuits because most of the swimsuit covers up until this point god these

these girls all look like tens yeah and if you don't look like that you're then like well i don't look like that i might as well not wear a swimsuit but seeing what if you're like a little bigger and you don't have boobs too? You know, it's like, well, now you're not feeling out the top very well, right? Yeah, and so there's so much of that. But even though this cover of Yumi, well, this cover is fucking amazing, but the cover of Yumi, it shows certain flaws. She still is pretty.

Some people might not be super attracted to someone that is her size, but she's still very attractive. Do you guys think it's overall a good thing to show those flaws? Or do you think Sports Illustrated is taking advantage of this to put this in front of us so it's nefarious and it's not good? I'm conflicted on that. After you put it that way, yeah, I think it is good that they are showing somebody that's, we'll just say not perfect like some of the

other... She does look like a model though. I know, right? So it was hard for me to even say that because she's freaking gorgeous but... She's an entertainer. She's a model, a singer. She's been in the... She's 25 years old. She's been in the business for a long time. So it's not like she's, you know what I mean?

Like, it's not like they took a random person. Yeah. You know, but again, just like, even like the small minor details, like you see her bathing suit bottom, like it has multiple straps to avoid that, like that extra like hug on the, uh, the hips there. Yeah. It's like the small little things like that could have easily been altered and still maybe shown some of the flaws i guess i don't know it's hard that's that's a good one dude i am conflicted because on one end i'm like well no i think

they emphasized some of the imperfections i'll say i keep saying that word even though she's perfect but i think we need more representation i think i think i don't like you saying that word i think i think there needs to be like more uh there needs to be more images there needs to be like because women like my wife she won't wear a bikini like very very rarely i mean maybe around me outside but that's about it and she looks amazing but a lot of women uh i think what they what they think is attractive, there's too many things stacked up. It's like I got to have the big butt and I got to have the big boobs. And if I don't have those two things to fill things out, and then on top of that, like you somehow have to have those things filled out. But then you have to have a small waist on top of everything else.

And so I think people need to see more images. I'm not saying, again, this girl is like 5'10", 5'11". Yeah. So she's a taller girl. From what I found on the internet, she's like about 185 pounds, which might sound heavy to some people, but women that are, you know, now it's not that heavy. Anything, you know, any, whenever a woman's like above like five, eight, you know, their,

their body weight is going to be, uh, you know, heavier than what people are used to hearing when a girl is like 140 or whatever, 130. Um, you know, and being in a space that we're in, you know, being in fitness and being, you know, in powerlifting. Like, I think we see a lot of girls that are like thicker and we see a lot of girls lifting some big weights. We see, it's hard though too, because some of these women are still really beautiful. Like they're still really, really pretty. Someone like Meg Squatch, she gets, you know, she got, she had a baby and then she lost some weight from there. But Meg is like, I think she represents a lot of women out there, even maybe women that are heavier than herself, because she doesn't mind, like, you know, she'll wear a particular clothes that maybe aren't like overly flattering, but she'll do it on purpose and say, hey, this is just kind of how I look.

Again, she looks exceptional. There's a lot of girls that kind of fit this category. Charity Witt, she lost a lot of weight and looks more model-y now, but in her quest to drop weight, it's hard to say she was a bigger girl because she wasn't. She wasn't a bigger. No, she wasn't. She was never huge. You know, she was never really big. But I think that it's I think it's healthy. I think it's healthy for people to kind of see these images. And then hopefully they start to get into conversations of how they can improve, how they can get better, because let's face the facts, like everybody wants to look a little bit better. Everybody wants to do a little bit better. I believe that

everybody wants to be a little bit better. And they need a path. They need a way. So if somebody is like showing them, hey, this is how I look. And I had to lose 40 pounds just to get to here. I think that's really cool. Or here's what I do to kind of maintain this. Or here's what I've been working on to get better. I don't like this pooch that I got. I don't like this fupa that I have. I don't like these love handles that I have. Whatever the thing is, maybe somebody's in the process of like working on these things.

And also, maybe someone doesn't fucking care. And maybe they feel pretty good about that. As long as it's not like wildly unhealthy, I think you're okay. maybe someone doesn't fucking care and maybe they feel pretty good about that. You know, as long as it's not like wildly unhealthy. Yeah. I think you're okay. Guys, sports illustrated.

I was looking through the covers for the years. I don't know what year they started having multiple cover options, but yo sports illustrated gives people different covers to buy. It's like, you don't have to buy Yumi's cover. You could buy Maya's, you could buy Kim's's you could buy kim's you could buy cr's so the thing is it's like they have different covers and some anybody can buy the cover that they like the most right but it's it it kind of makes me think of the aspect where you know i have a friend who he's he's a bit shorter himself and he just does not like taller women.

He doesn't find them attractive. Like he weighs a certain amount. I think he weighs like 160, 165. Women are getting mad right now. But women have a thing about height too. Women do have a thing about height. And I want to also say to the guys because there are a few guys where I'm like I know where their head is right now. They're probably like, well, you know, guys have our struggles too, like height and weight.

Yeah, I know that. But like our other episode before, this isn't about you. So let's skip over that. That's the name of this one. That's the name of this one. But, you know, he – whenever, you know, in our group chat when I was single and when some of us were single, we were throwing some things out. And he was like, oh, that's nasty. I'm like, dog, you are just too small for them.

You're just too small for them. And that's okay. But the thing is, the thing that is interesting about the Jordan Peterson comment, again, is the not beautiful. It's like, okay, Jordan, she's not beautiful to you. That's okay. But don't try to take that point of view, and it's cool if it's your belief, and morph it into saying just purely this individual is not a beautiful person. It's really, I guess, I think somewhat off character for Jordan Peterson because, I mean, he's the guy that's all about free speech. He's the guy that's all about having really good just conversations about difficult topics that are quite uncomfortable.

And I respect that aspect of him. But it's like this for him was the hard no. And it's like this isn't the hill that – this isn't the hill to die on. It's a stretch, right? I think it's a bit of a stretch. And that's just my opinion, which we're all able to have. So I'm actually very curious about the opinions of people in our audience. Like what do you guys think?

Do you guys think this is that big of a deal? Do you think it's that big of a stretch to have this woman on the cover, one of four covers? Or is it okay? I think it's fine. covers um or is it is it is it okay i think it's fine you know and we talked a little bit about from the male side you know how we don't really see uh you know that much from men you know where you know you got burke kreischer on the cover of something like that you know right someone i saw i mentioned that to you because i saw somebody saying that having her on the cover of sports Illustrated, if they can have her, then they can have Burt Kreischer on the cover of Sexiest Man Alive. Right, right.

And that's a bit of a stretch. Yeah, you're probably not going to really see that. But again, does somebody like Burt Kreischer insert anybody, you know, that's a little heavier? Do they have like 9,000 other characteristics that could be viewed as being very attractive to somebody? Probably. And does Bert Kreischer ever have problems like, you know, I think he's married. But like did he ever have problems like attracting people to him? Like he's the life of the party.

You know what I mean? And so there's so many other attributes and especially for men. And we had Rolo on the show and like there's a lot more that kind of goes into all that. So it's interesting. But a lot of times when guys have a like belly or we've seen athletes in the past charles barkley comes to mind charles barkley when he played he was not fat you know shack when he played he wasn't fat but like they had you know shack was kind of out of shape occasionally um jerome bettis comes to mind the bus like we love those athletes we're're like, these fucking guys are – it somehow made them more relatable that they had a little bit –

because, like, all the dudes that are – well, not all the – a lot of the guys are going to the games. They got a beer belly, and they're thinking, like, the bus is like me, you know, and they don't really realize, like, Jerome Bettis is, like, one of the greatest athletes of all time. Yeah. They don't really understand what a savage some of these people are or like George Foreman, you know, with the Foreman griller and eating all the burgers and, and George Foreman, you know, he, he came back, George Foreman came back and won the fucking heavyweight championship after years of being in like hibernation.

After he lost to Muhammad Ali, he never, he never didn't fight again for like 20 years. And then he came back and decided he was going to do it. And he was kind of older and he, he was fat. He was big and fat. And he would just sit and he would just stand in the corner. He wouldn't sit down.

And the reason why I wouldn't sit down between rounds, he's like, I ain't getting back up. He's like, I'm old. He's like, if I sit down, he's like, I ain't getting back up. But he had a I'm old. He's like, if I sit down, he's like, I ain't getting back up.

But he had a lot of support and a lot of people behind him. And he did a lot of, you know, he did a lot of, he did a lot of like, I guess you'd say like marketing and stuff via talking about the Foreman Griller and talking about how he eats and talking about how he liked being big because it helped him to be strong. And so men kind of have like almost a whole different angle, I guess, to go about doing things. But we have a lot of crazy expectations to live up to too when you think about the superhero movies and how jacked some of these guys are in some of their movie roles and stuff. Yes. Yeah, I do understand that. But quickly thinking, when you were mentioning the representation thing, I feel like we should change that word because it gets some people very triggered when we say representation.

I don't know what other word to use. I don't. I don't know. We'll think about that later. But it reminds me of the video that we made before about the fat acceptance thing when the woman was talking about how overweight people have typically been shown in media up until like more recently, they were typically the comic relief, the fat, the person who plays the fat role, like the Seth Rogen, right? They're always the funny guy or the humorous person, right? And it is, you know, for some people who are slightly, slightly overweight, holding a little bit more body fat, because, you know, if you're holding a little bit more body fat, that's not again, you're not running a crazy amount of health risks if you're not fucking shredded. You don't have to be shredded. But to be able to, I don't know, see an individual that's holding a little bit more body fat as a model because she is a beautiful woman. Like, okay. Like showing these

types of people in different ways, it doesn't mean that we're trying to say that being extremely overweight is okay because again, she's not extremely overweight. What we're trying to do is help people with their health. People that come from every single different level of size, whether you're extremely small and you have problems because you're very skinny and underweight, or if you're overweight, we're all just trying to get into better shape and live a healthy fulfilled fruitful lifestyle and in media it'd be more beneficial and it is beneficial that we're starting to see different people of different sizes shown in more positive lights and in more positive light now the superhero thing is a is a pretty complicated one

because when you look at comics fucking goku like when you look at all these characters john cena they're jacked and shredded so i wonder like i wonder i guess paul rudd is ant-man but he still had a six-pack when he was an ant- man i don't know that's an interesting one though yeah those guys are they're almost always in shape for those those movies or they're in like some sort of suit that makes them look jacked there was a mbaku from black panther he was like mbaku was uh he was the first one that challenged him yeah okay challenge day but he had a little bit of a belly and he was just like a big burly guy and he ends up being a good guy later. Right? So there's a few.

But I know what you mean by the superhero thing. It gives guys a lot of issues especially when they're trying to reach a type of physique that is just wild. Yeah, or just the fitness people that we see. They're just in such good shape. I think people are trying to be like some of these other people that are out there. And unfortunately, you can do and try everything that you want and you're not going to be somebody else no matter what you do. You won't be somebody else. when you think of really, really in shape fitness girls versus the models that you typically would see on old sports illustrated covers,

a lot of those girls are really skinny. And I'm not saying it doesn't take work to be skinny, but it's like your genetic gifts allows you to be this thin. Women who are really fit, they've built some muscle. They have shape to them, their arms, their shoulders, their legs, everything. You can tell like, God, this person put in work. You, myself, you, Andrew, like we've trained to look this way. We've put in work to look this way. There isn't necessarily a physical male equivalent that doesn't take work, right? Whereas the female equivalent of being really beautiful in the past was just starving yourself to get as skinny as you possibly could. like in shape women get more spotlight in mainstream. Cause I think that would, I think that would actually be a very healthy thing. Cause right now we're seeing bigger women getting a spotlight, but we haven't seen really in shape, like really jacked woman that have some muscle, not jack,

jack, jack, but jacked woman. Yeah. I'm getting that type of spotlight, which I think cause Jack guys get that spotlight, but the woman, uh, wonder woman, gal gadot like she's she was in pretty good shape and then all the women that were on that um that island like brook ends was one of them and there

was a few others uh what an amazing thing to wake up to like the guy's getting pulled out of the ocean and he's like just coming around and he's like where the fuck am i yeah that'd be sick but yeah all those women are are pretty uh jacked i think it would be it would be great i mean i think uh the woman that played uh the lead role in terminator 2 um that's kind of the closest that we've gotten to having somebody. Is she like the bald one? No. What's her name? I'll find it. I forget. I mean, and she wasn't like yoked, but she looked incredible, especially during this one scene where she's like doing pull-ups.

She's in like an insane asylum or something like that. She's doing pull-ups and she looks yoked. Linda Hamilton. Linda Hamilton. Yeah, she looked incredible. But again, like that's not even still like it's not even like fitness jacked like some of the girls that you see hey just wait till we get that She-Hulk because She-Hulk is coming out for Marvel pretty soon now when she's not She-Hulk she's you know she looks like just some some chill who's playing that role do you know who's

playing She-Hulk but like so here is, so here is Linda Hamilton. So, I mean, still, right? But she was pretty jacked in the movie. For the time, and yeah. She had some delts. Look at her arms. You know what I mean? Like, you could tell she... But it's crazy.

Like, that's probably about as far as we pushed it in terms of, I guess, on the Star Wars-style movie. Rey? Well, Rey isn't necessarily jacked. What was the first? Fuck. I forget the names of everything. Natalie Portman? No, no, no.

Not the movie. Mandalorian? Mandalorian. Gina Carano. Gina Carano. Oh, yeah. God, why'd you got to fuck that up, Gina? She did it.

They fucked it up. Yeah, that's about as jacked as we've really seen. There hasn't really been. Yeah, I mean, Ronda Rousey was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. She was. Yeah. And if there's any fucking athlete, that's the athlete. You know what I mean?

That's a great step. I mean? That's a great step. I mean, that's a great step in the right direction. And how cool, too, that they put her in like a one-piece. Like there's a lot of girls who are like, that's all I'm comfortable in. It's actually just paint. Oh, there you go. Oh, snap. So her whole shoot was just in body paint.

She's naked. Naked. Hey. hey i think i think for a while she was uh hey she's like consistently just tapping people out left and right like in seconds flat and there was like that meme they're like i would only last seven seconds with ron and rossi as well oh man but anyway i think guys chime in i'm really curious what you guys think about. Think about all this thing about Jordan's response. Do you agree?

Do you disagree? It'd be a good conversation, but let's, let's keep it. Let's keep it kind of chill. Good luck. No, I think I know. I think we can. This is, this is a more general topic. I think, you know, it's not as, I think you can go too far the other way, you know, where

we're celebrating, you know, and just, uh, and just almost complacent with how heavy people have gotten. It really is a huge problem. It is a massive problem. It is. And the country as a whole needs a lot of help. But what I'm seeing from a lot of younger people, Michael Niddle's kids being in there today working out, one of them mentioned that he used to have like an extra like 40 pounds on him. Wow. I'm starting to hear that more and more from young kids. So how cool is it? Like, first of all, it kind of sucks that some of those

kids had to go through that. But how cool is that to have that recognition of like, oh man, like I'm kind of going the wrong way. Yeah. And for a young kid and for any parents out there, pay very close attention to when your kid, first of all, pay attention to your kid when they're born. That'll be helpful. But as they get to be above approximately the age of 10, they most likely will stop moving around as much. They just aren't going to jump around as much. Like if you observe young kids, you know, kids that are five, seven, eight, they want to jump on the curb and they want to run with the dog and they want to run. They want to throw the football up in the air to themselves. Like they'll they'll take a ball outside sometimes and just throw it up on the roof of the house and catch it when it comes down.

Like they want to do all kinds of stuff. But once they get to be over the age of 10, their brain doesn't work the same anymore. They don't really want to do all kinds of stuff but once they get to be over the age of 10 their brain doesn't work the same anymore they don't really want to do a lot of those things and so yeah and then they yeah they get obsessed with their tablet and video games and that kind of stuff and they still eat in a similar way or their hunger is getting higher and higher because maybe they're starting to produce fourth uh growth hormone and testosterone yeah horse hormones your kids are being pumped and uh you know they they get hungry and then they're you know eating more and they're moving less and they tend to kind of gain a lot of weight but i've seen that from my own son where he lost some weight we saw it with uh our boy owen and owen is getting in good shape man when Owen came in

versus what he is now like that that guy's transformed and it's just like doing a bit more in terms of his fitness it's just some kind of simple lifestyle changes but you know being heavy it is a huge problem in this country and I hope it's something that we continue to work on

and I think our only real way out of it is to communicate with kids communicate with the's something that we continue to work on. And I think our only real way out of it is to communicate with kids, communicate with young, the youngest people that we can communicate with it as possible, the better and the younger that they are, the more blunt we can be. Like, I don't have any problem in talking to a young kid about this is going to make you fat because I don't think they have the same perception. I know some people might think that's wrong, but that's the way I've talked to my kids about it when they were young. My daughter's now 14. So I wouldn't say, I wouldn't use those words. You know, I would say, Hey, like, you know, there's, there's, there's better choices that people can make. Here's a

way to, um, you know, here's a way to make sure you're not accumulating body fat, getting unhealthy and so forth. I would choose different words but I think when you're talking to them and they're young you can help steer them in the right direction a little easier. You know an aspect that I haven't fully, I mean I haven't been able to think this out too much but

it came to mind as we've been talking on the podcast is not beautiful, right? And I understand the idea of not glorifying being overweight, like really overweight, as in overweight to an unhealthy extent. You can't even tell what somebody looks like when they're excessively overweight. Yeah. You literally can't. Like, I mean, look at those old pictures of me.

You can't tell. Like, you have no idea if I have good looks or bad looks. I just look fat. Yeah. And then because, you know, people say kids are seeing these images and people are – kids are being brought up thinking that it's okay to be unhealthy. It's okay to be this. And I can understand that because we don't want to make it seem like I don't think it's generally – I wouldn't want to teach my kid that it's OK to be obese. Like I want my kid having healthy habits and the shape they end up with having healthy habits.

If they're not jacked and shredded, that's fine. But are you healthy? Are you living a healthy lifestyle? OK. Because there's a variance of way an individual can look if they're living a healthy lifestyle. The thing I think about, though, is because some people look at that cover and then they they put the correlation of, oh, now we're thinking it's OK to be obese or overweight. But this isn't that. There's the other side of where young girls have been seeing these covers in the 90s and 2000s and 2010s of all these models

who have these extremely skinny physiques, which then as they get older, and even if they look okay as women, they now have this body dysmorphia because they're like, I don't look like this model. And it's, you know, when Jordan said Sports Illustrated was using a model that was working for all these years, and now they do this, it's like that model that was working was causing its own issues within the minds of young people. that model was fucking up a lot of ways that women look at their bodies because of the wild looking bodies that the really skinny bodies you see on these covers so this you gotta have figured it out but you need range you gotta have some compassion for people that uh just get caught up with food you know like it if you if you've

never had that problem then thank god you know because like it's a it's a big deal i'm really grateful and thankful that my kids at the moment neither one of them seems that tied up with food but if you have a child that's tied up with food it's like you gotta you gotta figure out ways of uh counteracting that in some way. And it's, it's, it's, like I said, it's a real problem because it just, it wastes a lot of time. It wastes a lot of money. Um, it wastes a lot of resources. I mean, you, you, you know, need medical intervention, need pharmaceuticals. Like it's just a thing that could be avoided if you simply just don't overeat.

Yeah. And I think that Jordan Peterson is somebody that probably hasn't had huge issues with overeating. Now, I know that he lost weight and he did like a carnivore diet and stuff like that. That carnivore diet making him angry. It might be making him mad. Not having any carbs. A prime man eats his meat. So does his daughter.

So like. Yep. I think it's our only way out is to leverage stuff with protein and to just learn a lot of different strategies and techniques around trying to make it through every single day without overeating. To your point, I'm wondering

if going from the stick figure model to somebody with more curves and looking incredible, if anorexia and bulimia, has it gone down? I have no idea. I would imagine that it hasn't, but maybe more. I think it's higher in men now. I can see that.

I think eating disorders are getting higher and amongst men because of the images that we see i think because dudes are fucking lean you know so many images of dudes are fucking lean and you mentioned you were like i tried a thousand calorie a day diet i was telling you about my son uh dropping like a pretty good amount of weight fairly quick and i was like um so i think there's a lot of kids that are kind of falling into some of those categories, a lot of boys rather. Yeah. When I was in high school, I was telling Mark about this. When I was 16 and I had to stop playing soccer, I ended up being 220 pounds when I came back to soccer, came back to doing all that cardio. And

I was like, I'm like, I was, yeah, I had muscle, but I was 220 pounds and I was holding more body fat than I'd like. And I didn't know the scientific aspects of dieting, but I saw this thing about calorie tracking and a thousand calorie a day diet. So I tried that for a few weeks. I got dizzy as fuck. I got dizzy as fuck because I wasn't eating enough. Um, but you know, like, yeah, I, I, I do, I wonder about that. I wonder what are the rates of eating disorders within men. And Andrew, my knee jerk assumption in terms of with women, you know, there are still I think that the super, super skinny body isn't glorified as much now. It's like it's a slightly heavier glorification of the curvy right but i mean

it just sucks if there could only be an understanding that everybody's body is different and you should try to achieve the best health not just body but the best health that you can achieve and maybe have performance goals that's a great way to do it exactly your body can perform really well at certain things to certain extents like there's obviously people that push it way too far with wanting to run ultras and stuff like that. But if you can lift pretty proficiently, like if a girl gets an idea of like, man, I'd love to be able to lift my own body weight in like a deadlifter squat. Yeah. And then maybe they're like, I want to do it for like two or three reps. Like that's heading in a really, really good direction.

And you need a pretty healthy body for that. Obviously, you can be heavier and figure those things out. But the heavier that you are, the harder it is to lift your own body weight. And we've seen a lot of girls through CrossFit and through powerlifting, through Olympic lifting. They start to set goals in that area. They kind of forget about being a cardio bunny and not eating. And they just go towards the performance side. Next thing you know, they look a lot better.

Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to shout out two commenters just because they answered a question. So Nick and Sherry both said that show that you were talking about, Mark, was called Mystery Science Theater 3000. Yeah. So that's what it was. That's great. That's a great show.

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