Mark Bell's Power Project - Is TREN Worth the Risk? The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

Starting point is 00:00:00 Why don't we just start off with what everybody wants to know about, and that's Tren. Tren is one of the most psychiatrically effective PEDs. I think people judge steroids with side effects nowadays, so the more side effects you get from it, the better the drug is. Yeah, my wife banned me from Tren a few years ago. She's like, I never banned you, I just said I wasn't going to stick around if you kept taking it. Tren is just, it got so popular, culturally. Do you know when they look at the soil and the plants around slaughterhouses and places where their cattle that are exposed to trend you know there's trend in the soil the

Starting point is 00:00:29 second that you take it you get leaner and stronger simultaneously the thing that makes trend special and different is that uh it's almost like changing the software in your brain please understand that this video you are about to see is for educational purposes only we do not advocate for trend or think you should do it it is very dangerous please just. We do not advocate for trend or think you should do it. It is very dangerous. Please just don't do it. But here we're doing this so you can learn about it. Enjoy. It's impossible for kids to even just have the like, I don't know, brain power to like really consider like, hey, 30 years old isn't like forever from now. It's actually way sooner than that. You know what I mean? Like it's going to come like that. So I don't know for yourself, did you ever consider anything at like life at

Starting point is 00:01:08 30 years old? Long story short? No. I mean, I couldn't see that far in front of me, even though it wasn't that long. It was just like, you're living in the moment. You're only focused on the next total, the next meet, the next goal, as far as that goes, everything else is secondary. So, you know, I've been with my wife now for about eight years. And there was a lot of volatility early on in those early years where we would fight all the time. And, you know, it was just very combative with being on Trent especially. And that's why I always joke. And I'm like, yeah, my wife banned me from Trent a few years ago.

Starting point is 00:01:40 She's like, I never banned you. I just said I wasn't going to stick around if you kept taking it. I'm like, okay, I'll clear it up. She's like, I never banned you. I just said I wasn't going to stick around if you kept taking it. I'm like, okay, I'll clear it up. God damn. She literally was like, okay, you can take everything, whatever you want, just not trend.

Starting point is 00:01:54 Because that led to so many relationship issues. Make you super irritable? Super irritable. Like I couldn't be around kids and stuff. It would just make me mad. You get annoyed all the time. You're like, if it's not quiet enough and people are laughing. Because you're walking around so carefree. Why are people trying to talk?

Starting point is 00:02:10 In your defense, kids... Maybe I'm on trend. Hold on. In your defense, kids are annoying. They can be. A kid can be really annoying. Now that I have a daughter, I'm like, okay, I kind of get this. I get why people love kids and stuff. I'm much nicer about it. back then i was like smiling it's like i don't

Starting point is 00:02:28 like kids man like what's the deal with this noise that's what i say i say i i love my kids my kids are amazing but like i don't love like the neighbor kids you know like those kids well exactly i i have a more softer heart and more compassion about it now but back then it's just that and paranoid all the time.

Starting point is 00:02:49 You think you're literally I don't care because I've been on trend in multiple relationships you always think they're cheating on you.

Starting point is 00:02:56 Like you'll be up all night paranoid like and I've talked to many guys about that where it just plagues them. They're like

Starting point is 00:03:01 you're 100% on trend ace. You think you're being cheated on. You're ready to fight everyone who makes eye contact with you. Because I was a doorman when I was on it the first time. I was 255 pounds. That's why all these bouncers are so pissed. No, I think, roid rage is only Tren.

Starting point is 00:03:20 It's Tren. There's roid rage. I talked about this with Mark's brother, Chris. People think of roid rage. I'm like, nothing gave me roid rage but Trenn. It's Trenn. There's roid rage. I talked about this with Mark's brother, Chris. People think of roid rage. I'm like, nothing gave me roid rage but Trenn. Trenn made me freaking crazy. So many

Starting point is 00:03:33 confrontations at the door. People would ask, how many fights did you get into? I'm like, I never got in fights. No one wanted to fight me. Because I would go crazy before they would even want to fight. I'd be like, bro, I'm good. I don't know. I would just go crazy before they would even want to fight. Like, bro, I'm good. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:03:48 I'm not proud of it necessarily. It's just more like this is a fact. This is how it went down. And it was just, it was not, you know, it wasn't a good situation. My boss would have other bouncers follow me around to make sure I wouldn't go crazy. Like stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:04:01 It's just, it was a wild ride. So the trend had to go long story short um do you think you could have done trend more responsibly is there any way it's almost like the self-control wasn't there as much on that everything else like this is where steroids get a bad rap it's from trend okay the other ones don't make you out of your mind and stuff it's not even halo testing which people have said like maybe mike tyson was on that when he bit off holyfield's ear or check drops that stuff i was it was it was all controlled but trend just it's like a fog your brain's in a fog um the other thing your libido's so high you can't focus at all it's not fun you're like i

Starting point is 00:04:45 kept no attention span um it's not but it gets you strong as heck nothing gets you that level of strength so all my best numbers obviously were on it heightens your sense of smell for females you're like it's like a woman walking the door 30 feet away yeah yeah yeah you start following it's just i don't know if you experienced that but it's just there was nothing like it so i'm pretty relaxed so i don't know nothing gets me too stirred up trend never got you not in that way trend monster no but it is like it is enticing because the second that you take it, you get leaner and stronger simultaneously. You can see drastic differences in the way that your body looks within two weeks of taking it. It's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:05:36 That's crazy. And the strength gains are unmatched compared to anything else I've ever tried. I could take like four of other things, four different compounds, and it wouldn't equal what I could get on test and trend. So it's just like it was that good. But I realized, obviously, I could tell I was kind of out of control. And it just, you know, hair trigger temper and stuff. It just wasn't good. So I realized I'm like, I got to stop this.

Starting point is 00:06:00 This stuff's killing me. I think it's amazing you had perspective to just discontinue everything because – and I think it's really admirable because that's what you were known for. You were known for being like hardcore in the dungeon, in the basement, washing machine, dryer behind you while you're doing your deadlifts, seemingly lifting by yourself. Some of these videos were put out many, know, many, many years ago before all that stuff was like as popular. And I think it's, I want to commend you on that. I think that's really like heroic in a lot of ways to turn your back on that, even though it's, it's like a small amount of fame, but it's still fame. This is fame but it's still fame this is what people loved you for this is what people identified with and i remember people making um a lot of compilation videos people got fired up and excited about this stuff and if you watch when pete deadlifts the weights

Starting point is 00:06:54 sometimes he um jacks them up so crazy that they they come flying up over you know where he even needs to lift it to it's almost like he's about to do a clean with like 500 pounds getting the hype at every single weight too i want to also ask this since we kind of talked about uh trend earlier um trend is something that i see a lot of young guys doing too especially on tiktok bro you'd be surprised they're seeing young guys on on tiktok talking about their trend cycles and how great they're doing because they're getting bigger. So I want to ask, what exactly does trend do? It's positive. And then along with that, if people are deciding to take the step of going on trend, because they obviously are, what do they need to be careful of?

Starting point is 00:07:35 And what are the potential long-term ramifications or short-term that they need to keep in mind if they choose to do trend? Because guys are talking about trends super liberally. Like it's just, it's cool. It's Trent. Because it works really well as an anabolic and an androgenic compound. Can you explain those two a little bit to us? Sure.

Starting point is 00:07:54 So if something's anabolic, that means it helps build muscle. And if something's androgenic, that's more of the secondary side effects. Sex drive, body hair growth is on balding. You can't accelerate balding because of DHT. But mostly, Tren is very, very anabolic at lower doses. But it's not, in my opinion, not a beginner one. It's something you should do once you've had at least testosterone and maybe something like EQ is another light one

Starting point is 00:08:27 that I think is relatively safe or premium. And if it's real, it's relatively safe comparatively to these. Tren is just, it got so popular culturally. Just every gym rat was always like, yeah, you got to take Tren. Or you know how you meet the big guy in the gym yeah talk about it that that's the go-to and and all these kids ask me the same thing it's like oh i'm on this bunch of transit why what have you done before oh it's my first cycle and i'm doing like three things and it just it blows my mind that they don't nobody really

Starting point is 00:09:00 researches anything they just ask random people in the gym because they have a great physique. And I'm guilty of that as well. My first introduction to this was making a friend at the gym who was really big and asking, and it started about natural stuff. And then he told me about other things, and it was just an exploration from there. But I then got really into researching it myself. But I then got really into researching it myself. And then, you know, the influence of Patrick Arnold actually made the choice to go back to school for chemistry to really understand it. And then hopefully educate people from my position of which I feel I have credibility versus somebody who's just big in the gym. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:42 Real quick. Because we talked about how Tren was effective, but also what do guys need to think about if they choose to go down the road of currently using it, and what are the ramifications down the road of using Tren? It's extremely suppressive, way more suppressive than testosterone. Because all of the 19-NORs, which mean they don't have a methyl group on the 19th carbon, all of those are much more suppressive and harder to bounce back from.

Starting point is 00:10:15 And then long-term, I think it would be more of the plaque buildup because it's such a more powerful compound. And especially if it doesn't aromatize so if things aromatize easily that's better for you not from a physique standpoint but it's health-wise because you're getting estrogen still in your body okay where trend would probably lower your estrogen more so then if you're taking even D-ball because D-ball aromatizes very easily. So does that answer your question? Yeah. Tren, I think one of the allures of something like Tren Ballone is that it will increase your strength,

Starting point is 00:10:56 it will increase your muscle mass, and you'll look leaner, again, without a lot of changes to your diet. It's not like you're going to get shredded if you're a big fat dude and you take Tren. But if you train, you'll certainly look a lot different. And it doesn't take very long. Right. If you go on a cycle of testosterone, you've never taken testosterone before, it's going to take a couple weeks for a longer-acting ester to kind of pile up in your body

Starting point is 00:11:21 and then for you to have higher testosterone, higher free testosterone, and for things to be favorable, going in the right direction for a handful of weeks, maybe four or five weeks. I usually tell people, like, you might not notice much for about four to six weeks. With Trenbolone, if somebody took it for 15 days and they were in shape, you'd be like, whoa. Like, what the fuck happened? Like, if one of you guys took it for 15 days and they were in shape,

Starting point is 00:11:45 you'd be like, whoa, like what the fuck happened? Like if one of you guys took it, like out of nowhere, I mean, it's a little hocus pocus. Like it's fucking, you know, we talked that one time on the podcast, not too long ago, just a few weeks ago about devil pussy. Well, this is the devil steroid. Like this motherfucker is calling you. And it's like, yo, I is the devil steroid. This motherfucker's calling you.

Starting point is 00:12:06 It's like, yo, I got your number, bitch. Get out of where you're at. It keeps calling you. You're like, no, I shouldn't take it. I shouldn't take it. He's talking about shutdown and stuff like that. Yeah, it can mess with your dick. It could shut down your testosterone levels for a long time.

Starting point is 00:12:21 And the recovery from it could take a really long time. So you have to always think about an exit strategy out of these things. levels for a long time and the recovery from it could be, could take a really long time. So you have to always think about an exit strategy out of these things. If you just took a little testosterone, I think, you know, if you took 200 milligrams, even if you took it for a year straight, I don't see a lot of negative side effects from that. But if you took a good amount of testosterone or a good amount of Trenbolone for a year, good luck with the recovery on that. It's going to be really difficult. Yeah, and I forgot to mention it also

Starting point is 00:12:49 can help burn fat due to its modulation of glucocorticoid steroid receptor. So it does affect that which can help with carbs going into your muscles rather than storing fat. So it can give you that leaner look because of that why don't we just

Starting point is 00:13:09 start off with what everybody wants to know about and that's trend let's get to everybody's favorite topic I think these guys know what I'm gonna start with it well maybe maybe they don't know what I have an idea it starts with it everyone's got questions about trend oh all the time and like what like why i mean i think there's like i think there's like a subset of people that don't even understand that trend is like part of like steroids like they just they just they just mention it they say oh that guy's on trend but they don't really have any idea i also think there's a subset of people that think they can like go to their and get Tren prescribed to them.

Starting point is 00:13:45 That would be great. And unless you know Dr. Tony Huge, that most likely is not the scenario, right? So what is the allure with Tren? Why is it so popular? Is it a great drug? I don't know. Or is it too dangerous? What do you think?

Starting point is 00:14:01 It goes both ways. I think the allure behind it is just the side effects. I think people judge steroids with side effects nowadays. So the more side effects you get from it, the better the drug is. And it's a very backwards way of thinking. But especially traveling the world and all these different countries that I've been to, I'll tell you right now, the people with the worst physiques are the people who are just after the most side effects. Like, oh, this works so good.

Starting point is 00:14:27 Look, I'm bloated. I can't eat. I'm sick. I want to pause you just for one second because this sounds completely irrational, but we do the same thing with recreational drugs. Like, oh, that fucking pot messed me up, but let me try this DMT or let me try it. Right? So this is not like just uh just for steroid abusers but also in the gym like do that workout fucked me up like let's

Starting point is 00:14:52 do that again you know right like you kind of do chase that weird uh quads hanging off yeah that made me sore you're like let's do it next time till we puke yeah hangovers and alcohol like Yeah. I know there's an alcohol. Wow. But yeah, um, it, it does have its place. It really does. Um, but by itself,

Starting point is 00:15:10 is it a great, no, um, it's good in synergy with a couple other compounds and it can have a great effect that way. But other than that, I look at it as a, no,

Starting point is 00:15:21 no, not at all. It really is not. Um, especially with the side effects. There's a reason why they brought Trin into the market, I believe by Nygma, and they brought it in for a human.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Yeah, like why are these things around? What's the deal with that? And then the thing is, they had to make it under Parabon, the name Parabon, and put an ester to this that makes it, it makes it so slow for your body to break down, longer than Ecopoise, right? And because of the side effects and because of the toxicity of it, if they gave it to you in a form of an acetate or a base version, there's so much that you get at once that it causes way too many side effects and people would get, you know, there's no way they could justify it. So they did this and it still ended up getting taken off the market.

Starting point is 00:16:08 So, I mean, it's that, that'll tell you something. Can't get parable on it anymore. He's like, I didn't say that. Not the,

Starting point is 00:16:17 not under that name. Um, but yes, you can. Uh, I haven't even heard of that one. What? Yeah, it's, it's just trend. Oh, okay. My bad. It's just trend, but it. I haven't even heard of that one.

Starting point is 00:16:26 It's just trend. Oh, okay. My bad. It's just trend, but it's just a longer acting ester, right? Yeah, the hex ester. Negma was the pharmaceutical company who produced it. And again, it was taken off the market pretty quick. I mean, now there's even studies showing- Why was it even put on the market then?

Starting point is 00:16:41 You know, some bodybuilders were pushing it. Or Olympics. Really? I would say more so with the Olympic teams and teams and stuff probably but it doesn't have like a medical no i mean a regular doctor can't prescribe it to you but imagine though so why is it made though i don't understand if you go back in time like 40 years or so when these things are you know when when they were trying to push for it there's no research they didn't know what the hell it was they just look at a piece of paper and it says, well, look at, you know, the androgenic and anabolic rate and look at what this can do for, you know, muscle sparing, you know,

Starting point is 00:17:11 and this person had muscle wasting and look at the positive effects it had and don't show them the negative effects. And, you know, you can, that's just how they work when it comes to putting drugs in the market. Power Project family, your normal shoes are making you weak. This is why I partner with Vivo Barefoot Shoes because they have a wide toe box, they're flat, and they're flexible. So with every single step you're taking, if you're taking a 10-minute walk outside or when you're working out in the gym, your feet are able to do what they're supposed to do in this shoe. They have tons of options for hiking, running, training in

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Starting point is 00:17:59 Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. I had a question about trend. Yeah, trend. you were kind of mentioning like it's...

Starting point is 00:18:07 And Seema was on Tren, right? I know. He was asking you for a source off air. Seema. I'm shocked. Are you? God damn it, man. You guys realize he could kill all of us at the same time.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Probably. No, but he won't on air. Kind of interesting. Okay, I need to bake at home. Okay, I'll stop. The question is kind of in the realm of, you know, it's like a lot of people's go-to, right? It may be mask some things. Do you think it's a good drug, drug in terms of utilizing it for power lifting?

Starting point is 00:18:46 And what are the things that people, people seem to be pretty reckless with it. And the amount that people used to use years and years ago seemed like people were using it more moderately kind of because of the way that it came. And now people make it in like 100 and 200 milligram dosages and people are blasting the fuck out of it. So what are some of your thoughts?

Starting point is 00:19:06 Well, I think the way to think about Tren is that when you – the second that you inject Tren, Tren isn't going to do much as far as like these protein expressions that other drugs can do. Otherwise, you just use like testosterone, right? The thing that makes Tren really special and different is that it's almost like changing the software in your brain, right? You're almost like completely – like normally you operate on Windows. Now you're going – you're literally on a completely different software. So you have – it actually hits your olfactory nerve, this little nasal nerve. And by law of locality, it actually pushes off onto the amygdala. And then through that, it actually pushes, it has a little feedback loop with the amygdala to the hippocampus and then the hypothalamus. And because of that, now everything

Starting point is 00:19:55 that you see, like your brain sees, like your hypothalamus is assessing in your body, like, you know, how much glucose, how much, whatever, whatever's happening in your body, like how much glucose, how much – whatever is happening in your body, the perception that you see is now different, right? It's under a new lens because it's now biased towards this amygdala-driven environment that you're not used to. Yeah. So it's like it's going to drive glucocorticoids up, right? Which is why no one is really hungry. Everyone gets jacked on Tren, right? You take Tren, it's like, dude, I don't need to eat and I'm jacked.

Starting point is 00:20:24 I'm not getting any weaker right and sema but yeah kind of true this is true but um but yeah that's like it's this it's a very amygdala driven and there's no other well i guess methyl trend but like that that's what makes it unique methyl trend is differentrin is different? Don't ask. No, no, no. I think that was a legitimate question. Oh, okay. Sorry. That's my fault.

Starting point is 00:20:49 I'm just kidding. It's literally just like methylated tren, which means now it's orally available. Oh, okay. And so it acts like really all orals are is like you basically make this little leaving group on the steroid. So now it can go into your stomach without being destroyed go through a first bypass of the liver um and it doesn't get broken down it uh i kind of lost the word what it's called but um but then it comes through and gets a second bypass but that first bypass of the liver is what makes oral special and so oral steroids um like using them long term makes no sense like using them for more than like even a week or two, there's not really a purpose.

Starting point is 00:21:26 You can actually – it's like those have such acute effects and they kick in so quickly that it doesn't make sense to use them long term because anything else you can mimic by just taking a different drug. When it comes to some of the things we've been mentioning before, some of the things that are legal, it's been my own experience utilizing a little bit of the stuff for running that it doesn't even need to be used every day, right? Absolutely. Yep, you're completely correct. So it's kind of interesting that you can kind of just take it as you feel maybe you need it, right? And because it's not like a sex hormone where it's going to –

Starting point is 00:22:01 or just it's not suppressive. It's not going to affect your own body's like natural production of anything. It's not as if you – I don't want to say are making a commitment to taking it, but it's not like when you hop on testosterone. You can't just take it when you want. It's like you need to stay on this because your testicles are not going to produce your own testosterone. When you come off, you need to understand that and approach it in that manner.

Starting point is 00:22:23 With this, there's no like – you could take it one day a week and get an effect, you know? Do you see any signs with any of the things that you guys, like, mentioned from that website and what we've talked about? Is there anything that you guys see in the future could be banned or would be banned? Like, are they, are you able to test for these things? So, like, going through the things we just, I mean, like, no like no like carnitine exists in your body right we have a carnitine shuttle system and every single cell you have or just about and then uh i mean like choline exists in your spine and in your brain so it's like you can't test for that like acetylcholine comes from like the food you eat so it's like yeah it's like atp just exists um like you can't test for like even data exists right it's like you can't test for, like even data exists, right?

Starting point is 00:23:06 It's like you can't test for that either. So is that. I would, I would. So actually a lot of people are using Tren and Tren's the worst steroid on cholesterol levels. If you ever want to scare yourself, get blood work done on Tren. Go like your doctor literally like, you're like, get in here right now or you're going to die. Taking Carterin with Tren can help prevent

Starting point is 00:23:26 some of the side effects. Another thing carterin is really good at is improving endurance. And then Tren Malone is terrible at negatively impacting your endurance. So carterin is actually really good to take with steroids to circumvent some of the cholesterol side effects. And then other PPR agonists like fish oil do the same thing. It's just not

Starting point is 00:23:42 as powerful as carterin. Carterin was actually originally developed to prevent type 2 diabetes because it improves muscle insulin sensitivity. So that's why they first started developing it. It was to treat type 2 diabetes and obesity. Some of the early clinical trials on carderine are very, very interesting. It stopped going into research because of that one clinical trial where the rats got cancer. But after reading that clinical trial, I'm still confused because they used 10 times the recommended dosage, whereas acetaminophen, what's Tylenol? What's the drug name of that? Acetaminophen. Acetaminophen.

Starting point is 00:24:18 Just two times the recommended dosage of that is known to cause toxicity. But that's legal to purchase. So anyone who's interested, sarumsbook.com that book's gonna be coming out i do literally like a four-page write up explaining like this is the doses the rats took this is how you calculate the human equivalent dosage then like i'll go through the entire thing and then i just lay it out for you so you can do your own interpretation of it but i just don't understand why they would stop the research on a drug after giving 10 times the dosage for their entire lifespan. Why wouldn't they do another study with like, hey, let's maybe give them two times the dosage

Starting point is 00:24:55 for six weeks and see what happens. Tren is one of the most psychiatrically effective PEDs. I mean, that is the worst one. Really, I don't even know. Nobody could take halotestin for three months straight. most psychiatrically effective PEDs. I mean, that is the worst one, really. I don't even know. Nobody could take halotestin for three months straight. So there's really nothing you can compare Tren to in terms of that effect. I believe that if somebody takes Tren at a young age,

Starting point is 00:25:18 they'll end up with symptoms of like, if they do it for six months, symptoms of like PTSD. Not everybody responds the same way, of course. Some people have a higher sympathetic nervous drive naturally. They're on edge naturally. And those people are the ones who are going to have the most effects from it. But there's so many other choices that don't have psychiatric effects. Like Primo Bolan has no psychiatric effects. Equipoise does.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Primo and Equipoise both potently increase hematopoiesis. So they're comparable. But Primo has no psychiatric effects. Tess generally doesn't do these things to people, especially if they let it aromatize. Nandrolone, I've noticed in my experience, a lot of people who use a lot of Deca have bizarre personalities later in life. Like they just get weird.

Starting point is 00:25:54 It's very interesting. Because Deca signals a lot in the progesterone receptors from what we can tell, and it doesn't aromatize. So they have that low estrogen, weirdly high progesterone for a man, and they have different kinds of... I've just noticed this. A a lot of people use deca so they're not all made equal anavar has barely any psychiatric effects maybe a little irritability it's not very liver toxic so there

Starting point is 00:26:15 are choices people can make you know you've been in a powerlifting gym before obviously training with scott mendelsohn um i agree with you 100 i, I've seen that firsthand where dudes that are normally pretty calm are now getting into a fist fight about the liftoff they got or something like that. And it's not always just necessarily the testosterone. It's a lot of different hormones flying around as some of these people would prepare for competitions. Well, it's a very unique thing in the powerlifting gym. People are very excitable there. And there's a lot of ego and a lot of,

Starting point is 00:26:48 I don't know if this is true for Westside Barbell, but here at least there's a lot of ego and stuff like that. But the weird thing is when you're talking to someone and they're anxious

Starting point is 00:26:56 when they're talking to you, they're dodging, moving around, they're not comfortable in their seat, you can see the person's not content. You can only imagine

Starting point is 00:27:03 how are they sleeping? How is this affecting them long term? You know, it it causes damage to the psyche is it crystal meth or is it hard to tell friend acts like that sometimes yeah you could you could think the guy's on meth sometimes depending on the person it's really cool that you're you're mentioning all this because again like it's it's this stuff can be done safely but like a majority of 99 of people don't know an eighth or actually just even 10 of what you're talking about and they're blasting stuff at 20 21 22 years old and then they're putting that information out for people on the internet to say hey do what i'm doing it works it's'll tell you, brother, there was actually a history behind

Starting point is 00:27:46 this. There was actually, I've tried to document this on my channel. There was a guy called GH15. I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him. There was an account online called GH15. In 2000, he was on the Get Big forums. In 2006 to 2000 and say 12, he popularized this trend cycle thing. That's where it came from it wasn't z's i don't know if you guys have heard of these two z's was influenced also by the gh15 thing but that it was that gh15 guy he was going around saying that pros pro bodybuilders are using 300 milligrams of trend a day they use uh you know at least a gram of equipoise at least a gram of deca they used it so there was this huge and this spurred in that in those years this

Starting point is 00:28:26 idea of using mega cycles and then in 2015 rich piano my friend boston lloyd came out and popularized it even more on youtube there was a source behind all this mega dosing stuff it really all started with that gh15 guy who personally i've determined it seems to be nasir al-sambati started the account and then left it to his friends after he died. And they tried to start selling drugs from Eastern Europe. So a lot of it was misinformation. And that's where a lot of people started thinking, hey, if I use a crazy amount of drugs, I might mutate. I'll change in a month. And what they don't know is when they use that amount of drugs, that amount will never work the same for you again.

Starting point is 00:29:00 So if you started with three grams and you use 500 milligrams your next cycle, you're not going to develop anything. And you just burn that out. Even if your receptors upregulate, it's going to take years to upregulate back to what it was. All these conversations they started in with Tren, right? It always comes back to Tren, it seems like. Have you heard of the Tren

Starting point is 00:29:19 twins? I have. You have? I just heard about them recently. There's a young duo. They're twins and they're on trend. Come on, kids. Oh, they had a great opportunity for one to do trend and one to do something else. That would have been such a great study, right? Right.

Starting point is 00:29:34 I think I heard, what's his name? Big fucking hell. This big white guy was talking about him. Fuck. Easy. Do you know what I'm talking about? No, but it's a big, but. No gonna be it's gonna come to me yeah you'll think about it later yeah anyway i heard about them yesterday from your brother the trend twins

Starting point is 00:29:53 yes yeah i love it and i thought i hoped at first that it was just a clever nickname like maybe they were really jacked like the barbarian brothers back in the day they weren't necessarily actually barbarians that's who were they they were compared to the barbarian brothers they have like the personality of like awesome yeah yeah that's great so they're gonna do some movies i hope some movies they're gonna be uh and like cut off like those old school cabarici pants or whatever jorts jorts and string tank tops. Here they are, the trend twins. Okay.

Starting point is 00:30:28 Okay. I'm digging it. Seth Ferosi. There we go. Seth Ferosi made a video about the trend twins. That's right. He is a big white guy. There you go.

Starting point is 00:30:37 I'm sorry, Seth. It's very true. Nailed it. That's what I was thinking when you said big white. I was like, Seth said big white house. The story is these guys were exposed to trend in the womb? Yes. Yeah, they were exposed to trend in the womb,

Starting point is 00:30:59 and the breast milk that they drank was also infused with that trend. Well, it's working. It's working. They look jacked. Holy shit. Hence the trend. So I'm going to get super nerdy on this. Do you know when they look at the soil and the plants around, right, like slaughterhouses and places where there are cattle that are exposed to trend, you know there's trend

Starting point is 00:31:12 in the soil. What? In the water. Yes. Yeah, for sure. Where? So where can I get the soil? Is this in Jersey?

Starting point is 00:31:20 So I was, have you seen the Jersey Shore? I have, yeah. Beautiful. So. They're like spittles lining it explains why everyone there's in such a good mood all the time so i was i was involved in a big criminal case that involved a trend balloon type substance and the law reads that if it's not found in in and some other things, it can't be in a supplement. So I started researching like, oh, is Tren found in nature? And trying to figure out some like convoluted legal argument to make like, well, it's in the soil. And ultimately that was abandoned because it was a stupid argument.

Starting point is 00:32:00 But you can't find it in the soil. It is contaminating the soil and the water around those places. Yeah. Interesting. Because they're giving it to cattle? Yeah, because trend doesn't die. Like when you have it in these animals and these concentrations, it just lingers, man. Do you know if that's still a practice?

Starting point is 00:32:18 Are people still doing that? Oh, yeah. Or is that like an older thing? People still doing that to make the cows bigger? Yeah. Yeah. In fact, so they sell them they're called finiplex and you can order finiplex cartridges online uh without a prescription

Starting point is 00:32:33 because this is kind of the origin of trend right it kind of started that way right and people would break that down yeah back in the day like in their tub or whatever okay yeah so allegedly just in case not in their tub but yeah this is where the tale starts i think right the tale of true so so what people would do was they would take the the tremble on cartridges and they would break them open now they were meant to be put into a cattle implant gun they weren't meant like so imagine trying to break the cartridge let's say like the magazine for a pistol open. Like it would be really hard.

Starting point is 00:33:06 That's what it's like to open a trend cartridge I've heard. And they would take the pellets and they would grind them up. So if you have a mortar and pestle or if you have whatever you had, you grind them up until you got them pretty small I've heard. And so you get a powder and and you dissolve the powder in oil. Don't do this. And then you would add like a sterilizing agent. You'd pass them through a syringe filter and then you would – maybe you would boil it too. Like maybe you would do a double boiler.

Starting point is 00:33:39 And then you ended up with a liquid that you hoped was sterile and contained enough active trend. Hoped. And you could use some other agent to break it down before you put in the oil. What year are we talking about? Like yesterday. For me? No. This is like state of the art in the 80s. You know, this was – there was a pretty big powerlifting group that was doing that.

Starting point is 00:34:13 And they were doing it a little differently. But yeah, that's how they were getting it. And my understanding is some of these compounds from back then when people were making these, they also had like estrogen in them too, right? Yeah. Like hefroid or something or testosterone? That was estrogen. It was estrogen. Yeah, I think if we're talking about Ralgro,

Starting point is 00:34:33 that's a synthetic estrogen, right? That's going to make you bigger. Estrogen will make you bigger. And if you're breeding cattle to kill them for meat, you just want a huge piece of meat. So giving them these drugs was not problematic. Now, some powerlifters experimented with Ralgro or hepharoid or whatever, but the chemical name I think is Zarinol. But like you're not going to use it for bodybuilding, right?

Starting point is 00:35:02 You're going to be too big. Big estrogen gains, you know. So no, no to use it for bodybuilding, right? You're going to be too big estrogen gains, you know? So no, no one used it in bodybuilding. And some of the testosterone pellets would have estrogen in them. So you could get the same cattle implants, but they would have estrogen in them. So you had to do what's called a saturation reaction to dissolve the pellet and remove the estrogen. But geez, if you want to be big, you got to be a chemist. Quick question.

Starting point is 00:35:26 So people would, like to do this shit, people would find cattle pellets and do all this shit? Well, you could. How many horses and how many cows do you have, sir? Is it the third time you've been in this week? Wow. Like I have a very large ranch. So so for a while and i can't speak to this now but those cartridges were available on like amazon wow really yes interesting that's

Starting point is 00:35:57 crazy so what the hell is trend why is it so powerful and uh did somebody know this when they started trying to find it in these pellets and stuff? So Tren is – it's a testosterone-based anabolic. You basically have three families of anabolics, right? You have testosterone-based. You have 19-nort testosterone-based. You have dehydrotestosterone-based. So this is a – let's call it a testosterone molecule to make it simple. Then it's got three modifications.

Starting point is 00:36:30 I think it's at the fourth, eleventh and ninth position or four, eleven, four, nine, eleven, four, seven, eleven. I forget which one it is. But you have these three and that's where trend like try. That's where that comes from. And that's where Trenn, like, try. That's where that comes from. And, you know, when they did the original studies on it, it was a – testosterone is a 100 over 100 drug.

Starting point is 00:36:52 OK? The anabolic to androgenic ratio is 100 over 100. It's the baseline. That's why it's 100 over 100. Trenn is 500 over 500. So it's – Five times stronger. Yes. Dang.

Starting point is 00:37:09 In rodent models, which is the best we had back then. We're talking about back in the day. And so that was the best we had. It's called the Hirschberger assay and that's where you take rodent, castrated, of course, and you give them the drug at a certain dose, the same dose as you would have given them testosterone. Then when they're sacrificed, you weigh – when they're killed, they're sacrificed for the greater medicine. When they're killed. They say mice. They're always getting fucked over.

Starting point is 00:37:45 Well, that's what it says in the studies, right? They use the word sacrifice. So when they're sacrificed, and they do a little ceremony and, you know, Like he really loved lifting. He was a great mouse. Yeah. He won all these contests.

Starting point is 00:38:02 When they're sacrificed, they weigh different organs. So like the seminal vesicles and then some levator ani, right, which is leggish muscle. And they just compare the weights to the weights of those same muscles or whatever from the testosterone rodents. So if it was five times bigger, it's five times the potency. And it's somewhat irrelevant to humans at this point.

Starting point is 00:38:31 We know that it's not a great way to do it. But it's the best we have. So – but when you look at that ratio, when you say this is five times more anabolic. Yeah. Everybody wants it. All right.

Mark Bell's Power Project - Is TREN Worth the Risk? The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

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