Mark Bell's Power Project - Jeremy Avilla & Tiny Tiff Leung || MBPP Ep. 910

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

In this Podcast Episode, Jeremy Avilla, Tiffany Leung, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk about coaching kids in in the gym, how to get strong and the incredible Powerlifting World Records both Jeremy and Tiff hold. Follow Jeremy on IG: https://www.instagram.com/jeremyavilla/ Follow Tiff on IG: https://www.instagram.com/tinytiff97/   New Power Project Website: https://powerproject.live Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw   Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://hostagetape.com/powerproject Free shipping and free bedside tin!   ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!   ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM   ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject to save 15% off Vivo Barefoot shoes!   ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements!   ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off!   ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order!   ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori!   ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep!   ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off!   ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150   Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://www.PowerProject.live ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject   FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell   Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en    Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz   Stamps: 00:00 - Jeremy & Tiff's records 01:25 - Meeting Jay Cutler 05:22 - Tiff's powerlifting meet 05:56 - Power vs Olympic lifters: Who's better 07:18 - Who helps Tiff with programming 09:09 - Jeremy's diet routine 12:42 - Do you train kids for different sports 14:20 - Feedback from Parents 16:25 - Structure of your training program 19:21 - How long have you been working with kids 21:47 - Advantages of Box squats 23:54 - Communicate effectively with kids 31:38 - Has working with kids changed you 36:23 - How do you motivate teenagers to start training 40:54 - Parenting approach for teenage motivation 43:50 - How to get strong 45:29 - How long Jeremy has been Lifting 46:44 - How do you maintain athleticism 49:07 - How long have you been powerlifting before Olympic lifting 51:19 - What is SuperTotal 51:51 - Missing Lifts 53:34 - Bodybuilding? 57:06 - Have you felt out of shape 58:57 - Your daily routine to stay fit 1:01:36 - Bone Broth benefits 1:03:21 - Any other supplements 1:04:39 - Sharing animal killing stories 1:08:59 - Biggest lessons from Jesse Burdick 1:11:30 - Tiff's Goals 1:14:33 - How much lifting was under your belt 1:17:28 - Competition experience. 1:18:00 - Jeremy's Goals 1:22:41 - Thoughts on other Powerlifters 1:23:33 - Thoughts on PEDs 1:24:49 - Anyone close to Tiff's world record? 1:25:50 - Best friend to boyfriend 1:30:33 - Way to connect with Tiff & Jeremy 1:30:55 - Outro   #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject

Power Project family, we have a great episode for you guys today with Tiffany Liang, who is a world record powerlifter. She holds the squat record at 97 pounds of 314 pounds and a total of 804 at 97 pounds. We also have Jeremy Avila, who has squatted 805 and deadlifted 893. They work with Jesse Burdick over at CSA Gym in Dublin, California. They do a lot of strength training with adults and kids. And in this episode, we're going to talk about how you can get stronger, how you can move better even as a strength athlete, and how you can help your kids get on on fun too.

Why am I holding this though, this power sandal? It's because it's back in stock. So if you want to check it out, that's powerproject.live. And enjoy the episode. But still, that's the reaction we're going for. So you gave Tiff pina colada. What flavor did you get, Jeremy? Grape.

Grape? Okay, I was about to be like, you gave me grape. I'm like, are you trying to tell me something? And you gave me an empty... No, I put it on your desk. A grape one. It's on your desk. Oh, okay.

That one that was there, that was mine from yesterday. Oh, okay. You drank the whole thing of that? Are these wrong? That's a question. No, no, I haven't drank the whole thing of this.

I haven't even tried the whole thing yet. Let me go pull the one from my desk. Yeah, yeah, go get it. Give it to everybody. He's like, no, I haven't actually.

I don't mess with that stuff. Yeah, no, I would never take that shit. Also, I heard a really cool story that Tiff, you were really excited to meet Jay Cutler. That was interesting. Have you been a bodybuilding fan for a long, you've been following bodybuilding for quite some time? I've been following it for zero days still.

She just learned about pump covers. So she's got that going. Yeah, we were at the airport and we had the fortune, the good fortune to sit next to Jay Cutler. You sat next to him on the plane? No, not on the plane. We just actually had an open seat next to him and I just bombed for it while we're waiting to get on the plane. I got into his space and he was nice enough to let me stay there. And I was like, Jay Cutler, big fan.

And then Tiff was like, hi, nice to meet you. And I was like, I Heller, big fan. And then Tiff was like, hi, nice to meet you. And I was like, I started to take our picture. And she was just like, look at him. Why are you taking a picture of this random guy? It was, yeah, embarrassing a little bit. Well, I didn't say it out loud. So I don't know. I just wasn't like super excited to meet him.

Maybe he was like, I don't know why she's not. You're like, oh, wow, this guy's another fan of Jeremy. This is cool. He must have seen his deadlifts. That's great. What's going on with this diet? He's eating jelly beans in the middle of the night or something? A lot of jelly beans.

Is this some sort of particular protocol to get the growth hormone and insulin in a particular way for the lifts and stuff like that? What do we got going on here? Beans historically have represented growth, right? Like Jack and the Beanstalk. Oh, yeah.

It grows really big, giants, things like that. So it was just kind of going that direction. Lots of beans before bed. There's a lot of fiber in beans. Yeah, there is a lot. Especially those beans. A thousand carbs a day? I mean.

That's Jay Cutler's status. He was doing that. Well, I didn't know. You probably didn't know. So I was like,'s Jay Cutler's status. He was doing that. Well, I didn't know. You probably didn't know. So I was like, wow, this is really cool. He can do this. And then apparently there's other guys that can do this. Yeah, I was pretty proud of it.

But, you know, Tiff was not as amused. Were you doing the show all in beans, though? No, like jelly beans. Oh, okay. Jelly beans, yeah. Not like beans beans. Oh, my God. Well, I mean.

1,000 carbs of beans. Oh, yeah, yeah. That'd be messy. That my God. Oh, I mean. A thousand carbs of beans. Oh, yeah, yeah. That'd be messy. That's a rough road. I mean. I mean, there's a lot of. Hey, when the engine's burning that much fuel, you know, you got to let some out. There's a lot of things that come out.

Yeah, there's just like a lot. A lot of that. That does taste grapey. That is. You want to try a pina colada? I'll try a little bit of pina colada. I got some grape here, too. Oh, mine's all gone.

Wow, that's way more than I drank. Is it also the color purple? You just smashed it? Well, I did the half. I saved the half for later. I had like a lick. It's called a double shot. You're supposed to, yeah.

I had like a lick. Like a lick. Yeah, it has these like alkaloids on it. A waterfall that burns your tongue. That does taste like Pina Colada. See? Oh, here's your cap. Maybe I just don't like Pina Colada, guys.

Learn something new. Learn something new. Learn something new. It's purple. Y'all made it purple. Good for you. Yeah, we colored and everything. So where'd you guys come from? You just came from a big competition or a trade show or something?

Like where was Jay Cutler at? He was heading to the Arnold, Arnold Sports Festival. Why would he do that? I don't know. He was heading to the Arnold and Tiff was competing there, the powerlifting competition. He actually wished her good luck. He was really nice. He was super nice. I was like, cool, thank you, sir.

He asked about it too. Why are you laughing so much? Because I had no clue who he was. I really had no clue. I was like, wow, that's so nice. This guy just said, good luck. This guy. We forget it's a was. I really had no clue. I was like, wow, that's so nice. This guy just said, good luck. This guy. We forget it's a niche. Bodybuilding is a niche.

It is. Even within power, like, you know? You have no excuse. I'm this close to it and I didn't even. You know what? It's funny, though. Like, someone who's big in powerlifting, if they walk into a room of weightlifters, a lot of times the weightlifters won't know who that person is. And vice versa, if someone,

I mean, there's a couple people that stand out. Like most people know who like Dimitri Klokoff is and stuff. But, you know, a famous Olympic lifter can walk into a room full of powerlifters and no one's going to know who he is for the most part. Very true. They're very, very different sports. But you went out there and did what?

Powerlifting meet? I did powerlifting, yep. And you've been doing some weightlifting, too? I have. I did, last year I did weightlifting and powerlifting at the Arnold last year. Yeah, that was fun. What'd you end up getting lift-wise for your powerlifting meet?

I hit 297 on the squat. And then I benched, I think like 160. And I dead benched, I think, like 160. And I deadlifted 358, which is a PR. At a body weight of? I think it was 103. That's crazy shit.

Yeah. Okay, wait, real quick. Who's superior? I mean, we need to know. Power lifters or Olympic lifters? Oh, I thought you were going to ask me or him. I was going to say me. I was already ready to say me.

Power lifters or Olympic lifters? Because you need to you were going to ask me or him. I was going to say me. I was already ready to say me, but... Power lifters or Olympic lifters? Because you need to make an enemy of one of them right now. Which one? Who is superior? What's the better athlete? The better athlete? Oh, weightlifting, for sure. Weightlifting, for sure.

They got to move. Like, you have to move. Maybe the entire shoe doesn't have anything to do with athletics, though. I mean, but you got to jump sometimes. You got to get underneath a bar. That's true. That's true. The more athletic you are, the worse you are at powerlifting.

You want to go the other way. You want it to regress. Yeah. Yeah, Louie Simmons said powerlifting is a sport for the rest of us, meaning the leftovers. That's what I tell the kids that come in. Yeah, the people that couldn't figure out anything else. People that had two left feet But you played soccer when you were young, right?

I did play soccer And that was some of the development And Seema has a theory about soccer How it's led to the development of some monsters around here I agree Did you play soccer? I played until I was eight See, he played soccer for a little while

That's where it started Yeah, Stan Efferding you play soccer i played till i was eight okay see he played soccer for a little while i was in there i was in there a little bit a couple years stan efforting uh you mentioned stephy cohen yeah like seems like there's a lynn bailey yeah right chris bumstead yeah it seems like the list like we need to get a list yeah that's what we need to get going yeah um who does your program who helps you does jeremy help you or is it more like uh jesse or what do you guys uh jesse and joe joe ada and then uh yeah and then kenny's been helping me with my diet i've worked with stan with my diet so how long have you worked with stan i was stan like five years ago i kind of followed the vertical diet for a while and then with kenny like i kind of same idea but just eating a lot more having a lot more protein but kenny williams and he's giving you like high and low carb days yeah i've never really done that so it's been kind of cool i've been eating way more food than i ever have and

i'm at like a lighter body weight than i ever have so what's your calories for someone that weighs uh i've been at like about 2,000. Oh, sheesh. Yeah. How much were you eating before? With Stan, because when we first started, I was getting ready to cut for meat. So we got up to like 1,500, and that was kind of where I was staying for a while. And then once I started working with Kenny, I think we started working together like November.

That's when I started bumping it up, and I just like, my weight was like going down. I was like, I don't understand, but this is great. So it's been cool to eat a lot more food. What's it like living with this guy and having him like just have this crazy. Eat all my food? Yeah. And have a crazy metabolism. Like, is it, are you sometimes frustrated or you just don't pay attention?

Oh, I'm definitely more frustrated because sometimes. He's like, I don't know what happened. I lost 11 pounds frustrated because sometimes... He's like, I don't know what happened. I lost 11 pounds and he's all shredded. Yeah. I don't know what happened. I gained 12 pounds. Yeah. And then he gains like 20 pounds and you're like, oh, okay.

Still shredded. I don't know what you did. But yeah, some days he eats a lot of food at home and I'm like, oh, I have no food. And then some days I cook a lot of food and there's a lot of food left. So I never really know what I'm going to walk into. You're just all carbs over here. It's a lot of carbs. Right?

A lot of carbs. Yeah, I'd say so. We do like a lot of rice and potatoes and jelly beans, as we talked about earlier. Can't you choose something better than jelly beans, though? Like Swedish food? You did that on purpose. No, but I mean, that's very true. You like Swedish fish.

Way better than jelly beans. I mean, not better. Yeah, fish has to make a three, right? Well, if you're just trying to be a neither, those are good candy. That's true. Let me guess, you like candy corn, too? I like candy corn. I like candy corn.

He offended us. It's both of you guys. I get why you're together. I like candy corn. I like candy corn. He offended us. Both of you guys. I get why you're together. I love candy corn. Y'all just eat it. Is that still being made? Yeah. Are they just using the same stuff?

What about Peeps? I've always had. I love Peeps. Fucker Peeps. Yeah, Peeps are disgusting. She used to eat marshmallow. Little chickens. Peeps.

I don't know what. Bring up some fucking Peeps. Peeps are fucking terrible. I'm going to bring you some Peeps. But you know what you do you have to open the pack let them get stale and then you eat them you said you let these get stale and then yeah do you enjoy that's how you know it's good when you have to let it go bad put them in your air fryer okay so she has this bad taste no she likes room temperature peeps you know she likes

to let them like just marinate a little bit like the you know they get a little crunchy yeah you know it's weird i would just wow weird not sour patch kids not gummy worms you choose jelly beans well it's like i mean i like all those things but when it comes to like if you're just trying to like crush as many carbs as quickly as you can and also with don't you get bored so when you're eating a lot of them you get bored of the same flavor over and over but if you have a 40 flavor jelly beans and you're eating four to five at a time, the amount of combinations are endless. It's a different party every time you put a handful in your mouth. Every single time.

You've done a lot of math and research on this stuff. Actually, I looked it up on Reddit. I think for the 30-flavor packet, it's like 880 different combinations if you just do four at a time. So do you take four? No. I do like four to six. I like four to six. I can stay in that range just to ensure that I have a different experience each time I have it.

Four to six. He's just thinking that every time he reaches his hand in there. So variety helps you eat more, they say. But there's some flavors you pick out, right? Yeah, well, I let Tiff pick out all the flavors that she likes, and I also have her pick out the ones I don't like. So she kind of filters them. They're like filtered jelly beans. So I'm only getting the most, like the best

experience possible. All the bombs, like the black licorice, the butter. Okay, butter popcorn is good on its own. But it's not good with a bunch of other jelly beans, right? Wait, so butter jelly bean is good on its own, you're saying? Butter popcorn is good on its own, but if you have

butter popcorn and you have grape with it, that's not good. That's never good. Who decided to put these together? Like a seven-year-old or something? I'm not sure how they pick the flavors. You ever see a seven-year-old kid put together a frozen yogurt thing? They put everything on there.

They got chocolate syrup and gummy worms. It's like, no, no, no, you're ruining it. You're messing everything up. What's that candy that they have like experimental flavors? They have like fart and like... That's jelly beans. They're bean boozled. There we go.

Yeah, yeah. A fart flavor. I was like, this makes sense. We've done this at the gym. We made a few of the kids do it with us. And I got like dirty band-aid. It was disgusting. Yeah, there's bloody band-aid.

Disgusting. There's boogers. There's, yeah, there's a few. I just remember bloody band-aid and boog disgusting. There's bloody band-aid. Disgusting. There's boogers. There's, yeah, there's a few. I just remember bloody band-aid and boogers. Yeah, there's like throw up also. I can only imagine how that happened. You know, someone's like, that tastes like a bloody band-aid. Someone's like, you know what?

We should just lean into this. Like, let's sell these. It was probably a seven-year-old kid. Yeah. You guys actually train some kids too, right? Yeah. A lot of kids how's that going

it's good training for a bunch of different sports and things like that I do mostly like training or like just power lifting but Jeremy does football and other things how old what's your youngest

my youngest is like 7 yeah same 7 or or eight yeah seven or eight it's probably two brody's like eight brody's eight yeah yeah yeah so like seven or eight around there i think a lot of people think that's too young to like lift but you guys are showing them how to lift yeah i mean obviously we start with like no weights but then like they all they see everybody else at the gym and right they have their form is good that's when i like let them do more weight or do weights but if they don't want to do it i don't push it on them so it's kind of what they want to do half of it because if they're not having fun it's not very fun to have kids that don't want to do something so yeah what what do

you show them that they usually like typically they like a lot of stuff with the medicine balls. But they do like kettlebell deadlifts. Most of the kids really like that. They like squatting. They like jumping on a lot of things. And sled. They like to pull a sled. So you've got to be creative kind of.

Yeah. You've got to keep them active. I imagine they get done with a movement and they're like, what's next? What's next? What's next? Because they don't understand like, well, there's usually like a rest interval and they don't get it, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Usually the rest is like, go run to your dad and back. Go pretend like you're getting water because I need a break. Right. But yeah. Do you know what your testosterone levels are at? How about your estrogen?

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10% off all labs. Again, that's at merrickhealth.com slash power project. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Do you notice that this helps certain kids pull away from others, especially when it comes to their sport? Do you guys get reports back from parents and stuff? Yeah. So some of the kids that we work with, I'll hear back. So I guess we're talking about Brody.

One of the kids that we have, he has like hip and spine things that are going on so like his like physical therapist will actually give us some exercises to focus on one of them was like farmer's carries and they have like had like a lot of like positive like his like hips and back a little straighter like when they did like a six-month checkup so yeah like so it's like cool to hear good things back like that and then also like the sport and stuff like that, for the football team, we track everybody's weight, and we monitor their, you know, we got their test of their bench squat, their shuttle times and all that stuff in the beginning of this year,

and then we'll hear back if they've improved and stuff, which we just retested their bench, and most people improved in eight-week time. So, yeah, feedback. The football team, is it like older kids, or what's the age? retested their bench and most people improved like in eight week eight week time so you like some of my feedback the football team is it like older kids or like what's the age and that you're usually working with freshmen to seniors so i do like work with like the freshmen in the morning it's like a like 14 or 15 it's a little bit less kids and then junior varsity and varsity is later in the day it's like you're from like 30 to like 45 kids like around there so it's a bunch but yeah it's it's fun though it's a lot of fun like an hour to hour and a half so

you gotta like really pack be like really efficient with your time and uh you know you don't get to see them so much so yeah and is that a program with like one team or is it like anybody from different schools in the area that's just for for one team. At CSA, with Jesse, with the stuff we do there, we get people and stuff from all different sports and teams and things like that. He hits a lot of baseball players. I think we got a wrestler. We just got a new wrestler actually from De La Salle. So just a lot of the high schools that are in the area, they kind of just pop in.

It's probably fun for you to teach some of these kids strength training stuff, but you've done a really good job of keeping a lot of your athleticism, your mobility, the stuff that we see sometimes that you do on your Instagram, the jumps and shit that you do, and sometimes you're doing stuff on the rings. I mean, you've kept a really good capacity, so I'd imagine that this is something you're probably sharing with these young people is, hey, let's make sure you you have access to this which probably a bunch of them do but let's make sure that you keep it and maintain it right

yeah absolutely i love being able to like you know to run with them when i want to or you know to like hop in and like be able to participate a little bit here and there so i think like that especially like kids i think that helps sometimes with like adherence when they see that you're still trained and things like that. They see you do weird shit like this sometimes. What's happening with your back there? That's so, that requires so much power though. Like good, great form, but like how heavy was that medicine ball?

Oh, it's only like, it's only like 10 pounds. Well, for those of you that are listening, he did a muscle up with a 10 pound medicine ball? Oh, it's only like 10 pounds. Well, for those of you that are listening, he did a muscle-up with a 10-pound medicine ball between his legs. Have they seen you, you know, have any of these guys seen you in competition? Because it's been a little while since I think you competed, so maybe they haven't had an opportunity to see the, like, you know, high 800-pound deadlifts and stuff like that. You know, it's funny. You know, not too much. They'll, like, ask sometimes, like, hey, like, how much, like, can you deadlift? And I'll, like, you know, not, not, not too much. I like ask sometimes like,

Hey, like how much, like can you deadlift? And I'll tell them like, wow, that's really great. And then, you know, we'll just move on.

You know, if I told them 700 pounds, they'd probably get the exact same reaction. And to be honest, I kind of like that. It's kind of nice. Like, wow,

you're really strong. Cool. Like, you know, beyond that, it's like, you know, it's you know it's like whatever but like not super relatable to them probably yeah but i think they just like i mean because

a lot of them you know not not all of them like super stoked to be in the gym yet you know um but like i think some of them like i kind of like hear that and like appreciate a little bit but some of them are just like yeah that's cool you know uh yeah what got you guys both into like how long have you been working with younger kids? Because, like, that is an undertaking in and of itself. Actually, my first job was I coached little kickers. So it was just, like, I think it was, like, 18 months was, like, the youngest. And then up to, like, five-year-olds.

And it was, like, learning how to play soccer. So that was, like, my first job. And then after that, I worked at, like at like a gym but i worked in the child care so then i had to take care of the kids and so i think that kind of helped me like be able to like talk to the kids and stuff so um i think yeah and then i would say probably two or three years into personal training like i started training kids of, like, my clients. So, yeah, it kind of just kind of went. Do you try to show kids, like, Olympic lifting stuff?

Or is that, like, maybe they're just not at that stage, some of these younger kids? I don't. I haven't. And then, like, I just don't think that I, I don't think I could teach them as well as like some other people that have done it longer so like for me like I would just kind of stick with what I know like really well um and if that's something that they want to do I would be like hey like go to Joe and Max like right they they know how to do it really well um and I don't have like a problem trying to like refer people out to people that have better understanding of like their sport.

Cause most of the kids don't even know what Olympic lifting is. So it's like, I'm not going to try to teach them that. But I mean, if they, I mean, if I could see like some potential in their like mobility and movement and stuff,

I'd probably be like, Hey, like go try that out if you want. But I don't think I would feel confident enough at this point right now to teach kids how to do it. Are you having some kids do like box squats and bench press and deadlifts and variations of that? Yeah. So actually me and Jared train Sierra. She's 13. I've been training her since she was like eight, I think. But she competes in powerlifting and we do all the variations we do ourselves with her and then um i'm training one of our training partners sarah her kids um and he's box squatting because he's like six four and a giant um but yeah

so he's doing box squats uh deadlifts i think we do deadlifts with bands off blocks and stuff. What do you guys think the advantages of a box squat? I think one thing is you can control the height. For some of them, they just kind of fall out at a certain point when they're learning how to squat. So just kind of get them used to just feeling the weight on their back.

I don't know. The box squats also, I think it's a little easier on the knees and stuff for some people. Some of the older clients I have, the box squats also, I think it's a little easier on, like, the knees and stuff for some people. Some, like, the older clients I have, like, really, the box squat's really helpful. Or, like, a box squat with, like, a hat field or something, just a little bit more assistance. Oh, yeah, where you're holding on to something. Yeah, that one's really nice for some folks to kind of go with. But, yeah, it's really helpful having all the variations.

I swear, you know, like, getting to, like, work with Jesse so long and, like, learn all these variations to just, learn all these variations to just training conjugate style for so long. It really helps. You can find a way to get someone to move with all the variations. You can find a range of motion in which they can do it safely and then, I don't know, just try to build the range of motion. Yeah, just find a place where they can move it safely and it builds confidence for them. They're like, heck yeah. Even if you did like an eight-inch like it's like you know just like almost like a lockout for some people like all right cool got some weight in my hands and maybe in a few weeks click it down a little bit but just i don't know

pretty like box squats and blocks have been really helpful for that stuff right yeah there's i mean i feel like the general population there's so many different like different issues or aches and pains or stuff that they've been through that it's like, yeah, they can't squat all the way down, but like maybe eventually, but that's also not their goal. Like they just want to feel like they can move again and get strong. And there's so many ways to get strong besides like squatting to depth, you know? So I think that's been really valuable with training.

I think that's a great point that there's, there's so many other ways to get strong. It doesn't have to be an ass to grass squat necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people get stuck in like, this is the only way to get strong. And I'm like, there's so many different ways.

Like, and it doesn't have to be like, you could get mentally strong too. It's like a lot of my clients are strong, but like they can't get together up here. So it's like, if they could get up, get it together up here, like everything else just starts to kind of move. So trying to make progress no matter what, like what it is. So, yeah.

What do you guys think? Because like, you know, I've done a few things with kids before and sometimes it's just hard to communicate with. for and sometimes it's just hard to communicate with. Like sometimes, I don't know, do you find that there's certain ways to be able to better effectively communicate with kids and get them to do the things you need them to do? Lots of yelling. Yeah, just scream at them. I feel like Jeremy's

really good at it because I get to a point where I'm just like, I can't do this anymore. You just walk away from it. And I just like, yeah, there's some days where I'm just like, I don't even know what to do. I'm just going to just stare at them until they want to do something. But he's so much better at it. He's so good with kids.

I'm just like, I can't. Maybe you want to take them from me now because I don't want them. Jeremy? Your secrets. Well, so I've been working at this elementary school for like, actually, I got the job with Jesse's wife, Katie, about four or five years ago it's like a neurodiverse school for like neurodiverse kids it's like got about 100 kids like fourth eighth grade so we get like anywhere from like 15 to like 25 kids and like the gym to go at once i get a couple like two three like assistants like teachers

like help me but even with like that you know it can be really challenging but i think uh what i've learned like there's this lady there a principal there her name's miss laney but she's just so good with kids she's got like her she's just awesome at it um but one thing that she like really had me do is just like having like structure like some type of same structure like line them up the same way tell them what's the start and the finish like like kind of like and keep that kind of the same for tell them what's the start and the finish like let like kind of like and keep that kind of the same for them and they work really well within that structure because it's going to be chaos like no matter what and so you just want to try to control

it a little bit yeah um but that's been like really helpful so just like having like just like creating like a very like simple structure in the beginning like for example we line up in these four lines every time we come in we start with like hop on one foot and then you use those lines like now we're gonna you know hop on one foot left or you just kind of like progress their stuff out a little by little yeah and then like tiff was saying you have to give them something that they like so what i do so at the school that i'm at they love dodgeball if they can play dodgeball every minute of every single day they go i got this this kid fritz comes up to me every day he comes up serious he's like are we gonna play dodgeball today i'm like you play dodgeball every day bro like chill because because they didn't want to when i first

got there they didn't like smashing people dude he's dude he is yeah he's like i gotta tell him like hey you gotta peel it back a little bit. We gotta pull it back. We've had to install some new rules for some of the kids. Is it the classic Red Balls 2? No, no, no. See, listen, so they didn't have dodgeball before I was there because of that reason. Look, because we can't be having the kids getting knocked to the ground

and stuff and just like getting melted. Yeah, melted. You know, looking back at that shit, dodgeball was a pretty dangerous game because you just try to pelt kids' heads in shit as a kid. Well, here's the thing. Some kids are all developing at different times. Some kids got an AK.

Some kid got a slingshot. And it's just not a fair fight. And then you add in a red ball into there, and you're really just sending them to the slaughter. So you've got to have some rules, and you've got to figure some things out. There's always an AK that doesn't even know dodgeball is going on. He's literally not paying attention. And he gets his glasses knocked off his head. You're like, oh.

Knock my headphones off. When I first got there, I was trying to like, we didn't have dodgeball but the kids always wanted dodgeball so I like looked up like what's the like best, softest dodgeball but still got some zing on it. Okay. So like Rhino Skin. Back to Reddit again. I think it's called like Rhino something. I forget.

I'm probably messing up the name. But they have the best dodgeball. So I got like a bunch of those. So we started playing that. Basically, I tell them this. You get through the workout, we'll play dodgeball. The longer the workout takes, the less dodgeball you got. And so the kids are like, oh, come on, let's do dodgeball.

So I use the carrot. And so they know like, all right, we have a bunch of different variations of the game. And sometimes we'll play different stuff. But they know if they do the workout, we have a bunch of different variations of the game. And sometimes we'll play different stuff. But they know if they do the workout, we're going to have the game at the end. So that seems to help a lot. And I don't try to switch things. Whenever I have to add a new lines or new thing, it kind of messes them up a little bit.

I just expect it, though. And I just got to give it a little bit of time, I think. Oh, there it is. Is that right? Yeah, those are the ones right there. Concussion friendly. Yeah. See? Yeah, those are the ones right there. Concussion friendly. Yeah. Hey, this is why you need it, though.

I had it. Oh, my God. We're doing this game. We're learning how to play with the balls. Yeah. And the game is this. You say someone's name, and then you throw them the ball. So if I had the ball, I would go, Encima, throw and catch. Dude, my guy Harrison goes, Mark!

The kid has glasses. It's the kid that doesn't like to get hit in the fucking face, dude. Xavier. Flash! The teacher doesn't want dodgeball. She doesn't want dodgeball. It's the same reason. I'm like, no! But hey, just like the commercial. Wiped it off. Not a mark. I mean, we could have told the teacher that nothing happened. She could have believed us. There's not a mark on his face.

Wow. But he was okay. He patted it off. But yeah, I'm really good product right there. Yeah. Remember, those classic dodgeballs would rip your face apart. Oh, dude, you'd get horrified. I can still hear the sound when they connect. It's like that deep body shot sound, but it's to the

face. Now you're all in big, big trouble. Oh, yeah. I love what you said about the patterns of lining them up and stuff like that. I mean, there's a lot of kids that will – there's a couple kids. There's always a couple kids that are going to want to do the opposite sometimes of what a teacher says. But I think your mentorship probably is a little different because you're fun and you have a – like you have a childish personality where you are always excited you always have a smile so that probably helps the kids to kind of relate to you a little bit better but i that's really smart to uh have

them do similar things every time because they're like oh yeah now it's time to line up and uh coach is cool so i'm gonna fucking get in my spot i'm gonna get behind so and so yeah it probably helps them line up each time yeah like uh like jesse kind of showed me that too like when we would work at the high school we're working at this high school uh by and he like his baseball players like he was so efficient with this time because it'd be like all right get outside in your lines to do the you know whatever kind of like you know footwork drills he had and then all right get inside we have upper body this today and they would just know like where to kind of be in general and then from there he could be like all right you're gonna do this and remember we did this last week all right this but

the you know just like very efficient this time because a lot of these places like got 30 kids in a 45 minute class and like you want to get a workout and a game in yeah and hopefully like some type of like stretch maybe and it's just like the time gets eaten away if you have to like hey billy billy get down come on you know we're over here today we're over here and if you like just do that every time you have to change something it's like in class is over yeah yeah yeah jesse's like a mastermind with that stuff because he would be at the gym for like 12 hours training people and uh you know he's every once in a while i gotta make a phone call or he's gotta eat he's gotta transition to the next person coming in he just like points his stuff and then people go

outside and drag the sled and after a while people just know what to do otherwise he starts to kind of yell at you yeah that's what i love voice yeah the dad voice dad man that's what i like i think like you probably learned like the jesse's so good with his like his clients and his kids is like he teaches them like he doesn't have to be over their shoulder for them to be effective like he like really sets a good structure in the beginning like he's on your like teaching you the warm-up teaching you kind of like the pace teaching you like you know what like different days are like you know if you're it's the day before a game you're going to train like that you know just like little stuff he like teaches them to like be good on their own like which i think is really helpful because some i

think athletes like literally they're just used to like like, hey, now do 10 reps here. Now do this. And he's, like, his athletes can, like, he can give them the workout, and they can kind of know what to do, like, from week to week. But he has, like, I mean, when he puts in new stuff, he obviously has to whatever. But, like, they're really good at kind of, like,

getting into their groups and getting moving. Do you think kids have changed you guys at all? Like, being around them and working with them for so many years? If you look at yourself before you worked with kids and potentially after, is there any change in your demeanor and who you are or not really uh i mean i think working with like sierra and like some of some of the kids that like now i feel like i'm not as hard on myself when i have a bad day because i can see like like and my therapist is also like you should talk to yourself how you would like talk to sierra

if like you're having a bad day like you wouldn't tell her like you wouldn't say all these things to her so like don't say it to yourself and so i think that's helped me a lot with like my lifting actually because like i mean for i've been lifting for 10 years like there's bad days there's so many bad days and so if i can like not beat myself up about it as much like i just come back a lot better the next time i train so i think that's what's like working with the kids have helped me like okay like i don't have to be so hard on myself all the time so yeah um so probably like made me feel a bit more yeah compassionate to myself and like maybe it's like like more understanding of someone like like the older like when you see when i work with like

the younger kids at the elementary school like you can see how like some kids have like a much further way to go than others so like you can then you know and you meet like these people who are like in their 20s or 30s and like they've never done any type of exercise and things like that and you like kind of like see from these kids like really like maybe like have like compassion for some of the people like because you meet people like they're 30 and they've never exercised and now they're in a world of trouble like their backs hurt like something's hurt and they're trying to learn it all yeah but like you see with like some kids like they just don't have like a lot of like support or a place to learn about it and stuff so i guess uh like um just kind of a little bit more like understanding of

like how people get there, I guess. I was like, oh, I can see that. Like this kid hates – like because there's some kids that refuse to do the class, right? Yeah. They won't do it. Like they're just like – or like some days you might be able to get them a little bit. But yeah, because he's always like wondering. You kind of let them – you let them do their thing a little bit?

I always check in with them. I go – like there's this kid, Henry. He like sits in the corner mostly. I'm like, hey, Henry, like want to get in today? He's like, no, no, notry he like sits in the corner mostly i'm like hey henry like want to get in today he's like no no not today i'm like all right well hey if you want to like you know and like some of them after a while it's like a wave like they'll eventually like come over yeah um and that's like something that like john there's this there's a one of my training partners been working with like kids for like years and years and years but he helps me a lot but he was telling me he's like remember you have all year you can like work on them like a wave.

You don't got to get them in one day. Just check in with them. Let them know you see them. Yeah, who knows what that kid has going on for the day. Dude, yeah. I mean, you just never know what's going on in people's lives. But that's what it showed me. Each person has a story, I guess, as to why they found lifting or why they hadn't found it yet or anything like that and like when you see like you know the kid versions like you know like the maybe the beginnings of that like

it really like helps you like see like a clear story of like how someone can get there so i think it makes you have a little bit more compassion for those folks or rather than being like how the fuck did you never step foot into a gym like what the heck like they might have just had a horrible experience for one reason or another just just off-put about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome what you guys are doing because, I mean, I know that. I've never forgotten any of the coaches who have had a good impact on me from when I was a kid. I remember all their names. I remember specific things.

And it had a big impact on, like, my trajectory. And both you guys are doing that for probably hundreds of kids. At some point, it's going to be hundreds of kids if it's not already. Well, and the impact they're going to have, those kids will have kids. How cool is that? And they're going to remember certain things and the good things that you guys taught and the disciplines that you taught

them, they're going to actually use in their household. It's nuts. And you start to think about it that way. You're like, holy fuck, I got to this is a big responsibility, but it sounds like you guys are doing a great job with it. I mean, it's fun. For the most part. Yeah, it can be a lot of fun. It can be a lot of work, but it sounds like you guys are doing a great job with it. Yeah. I mean, it's fun. Yeah. It's,

it's a lot of fun. It can be like, you know, a lot of work, but like you were saying, like, it's really cool being at the high school with all the kids and being able to like,

I don't know, be the coach that you wanted or, or like be the person you wanted like in high school. And like, you know, I think high school, sometimes high school lifting gets like a bad rap. You see just like all that,

you know, and it's, and it's cool to be in a spot where like me and I can try to make a different,. You see just like all the, you know, the craziness and it's and it's cool to be in a spot where like me and I can try to make it different and you know, I can try to, you know, teach them a good, you know, not that there's like, listen, when you have 50 kids going, there's things that look great right away, right?

But it's cool being able to like, I like feel honored to have that opportunity to like get to like work with like kids and stuff like that in that way. So I definitely didn't think I'd be like spending most of my times at schools, you know, even, you know, like elementary school or high school, like working with all these way. So I definitely didn't think I'd be spending most of my time at schools. Even at elementary school and high school, I worked with all these kids. I was like, I'm going to be working with all these power lifters and probably super crazy at it.

But I've actually really fell into it and really enjoyed working with the kids and stuff, which is the last few years has slowly shifted to 80% of my clients are kids now. You got something over there, Andrew? Yeah, no, I so a teenage daughter and it's been kind of a struggle to get her to start like exercising right like whether it be like gym equipment type stuff or like hey let's just go for a walk it's always like like it's just you know it's just always a uh it's more than a chore it's almost like uh she's in trouble right um i've tried making things fun i've tried like so many different things

she's just not into it so i don't know if you guys have worked with like any teenagers that have needed motivation and if so like how do you how did you guys do it or how you know do you recommend somebody to go about doing that um i mean first of all i think it's because you're her dad yeah that is like the that's the hardest thing. Like, especially at that age, like, they don't want anything. I know. Like, you know, whatever you're doing is not cool to them. Dude, everything is not cool. Yeah.

But, I mean, like, Sarah's son is 13, and, like, honest, like, I've trained him on and off for, like, three or four years, maybe more. But, like, he's never really, like, showed any interest in anything. Like, it's usually been, like, okay, like, it took us an us an hour to like get through a warm-up of like three exercises and what did sarah deadlift she deadlifted like 639 or something yeah and like she's all into the gym and i don't know he came into the gym it might be an environment thing too because he came into csa like just a month ago and he's like i want to do this every day mom can you take me to the gym and we're like okay like cool and so

he's he's doing the mock meet that we're having next month like and he's super into it but i think some of it's like an environment thing and like just finding something that they like because he did track he's like he's done every sport and he just like it's like i don't care like i don't want to do it but so it could be just i I don't know, different environments or finding someone else to be like, oh, like, let's try this and not dad. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, like we did like a like I think it was like every Tuesday night, like we go to a CrossFit box, but it was like very like simple stuff.

It was just like to get her to like, like, here, come hold the barbell. Let's see what this is like. And I was walking my son around and then all of a sudden I look back and she just has tears coming down her face. I'm like, oh, my see what this is like and i was walking my son around and then all of a sudden i look back and she just has tears coming down her face i'm like oh my god this is not working at all yeah and sometimes it might be just like finding the right person for them to work with like i mean yeah that could also be yeah it could have been like a little intimidating because there's so many people at the crossfit box maybe finding like like a one-on-one to see if like they can kind of work with her and

then get her to feel confident to like do the class or yeah teenage kids are tough to figure out and they like from what i have observed they walk like they don't even move like their shoulders like they kind of slump and they're like they're barely i think it's like nothing like i don't want to fucking stand out at all. So I'm just going to shuffle my feet and wear a baggy hoodie. And I'm just going to kind of be like this. You're like, fuck man. But none of them realize it because they're all, you know, just like the powerlifting

model. We don't, we're all amongst each other. So we got the powerlifting model. No, Mark, you don't understand. I'm unique. It's like they all look the same. Yeah. Quinn, Quinn is is like she's kind

of out of that phase you know she's uh doing volleyball and stuff so she's you know starting to move a little bit better yeah but for a little while i was kind of just like and i'm like i want to say something but i'm the worst person to say something so i ain't saying nothing i ain't saying shit yeah yeah it's tough because like i don don't know. I know for sure the direct like, hey, you're not going to get this or that unless you do this is absolutely not going to work. I mean, I've seen it not work and I know for sure it's not going to work. But like I said, I'm experimenting with like, you want to go for a walk? No. Do you want to go walk to Dutch Bros?

Yes. All right. I'll take it. Yeah. want to go walk to dutch bros yes all right i'll take it even if like um if we're looking at like energy expenditure calories and calories out is like negative because or i guess positive because like whatever drink she gets is gonna have sugar i don't care i'm like she's getting sunlight she's getting steps in all right cool now we got something so little things like that like i do find small wins here and there but like just like the whole like like hey let's just not think everything is lame

for like at least 10 minutes good luck dude yeah putting in efforts is for you know lames i know but like it's just it's yeah it's weird man she's 14 and i just i don't want her to turn into jello is what i like will say because i'm like you know you're just gonna sit on the couch like you're just gonna turn into jello remember yourself when you were 14? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I was so bad. Yeah. I was worse than her. And look how you turned out.

Yeah. But I don't want her to wait 27 years to figure it out. What do you guys think about maybe a different approach? Maybe just maybe looking at it more like opportunities to spend time with her rather than, you know, so maybe you can like halfway trick her and say, let's go on a car ride. You know, sometimes kids are annoying because they're like, to where? You know, like they know you're up to something. But I don't know, if you can find ways to like pick her up from something where maybe you don't normally pick her up

and just a 10-minute car ride I think makes a big difference. If you don't talk about anything or nothing happens, in my experience, it's been really helpful. It kind of just breaks the ice. It's almost like they have a clock punching you in and punching you out. If you're not right there all the time, they don't like that. This is so funny to me because American compassionate parenting is so different from fucking third world parenting. My mom told me to go somewhere. Yes.

There's no like, oh, mom. It's like, yeah, I don't move. You get a pat. I'm not saying that's a good thing. My mom's lovely. My mom's great. I just got silent treatment. She just like wouldn't talk to me if I didn't do something.

I'm like, OK, can you? OK, I'll do it. So you could talk to me if i didn't do something i'm like okay can you okay i'll do it so you could talk to me again right now look how much you move yeah she never like i think she signed me up to play soccer so that like she didn't like so she'd have like me gone for like two hours you know at practice and like maybe that's what it is about soccer see like you're trying to do stuff with her like my like our parents didn't want to do things with us like just go so i don't know um yeah i feel like that age is so hard like if i don't know do you have any ideas i mean actually i feel like they were like, if she's like interested in boys, like that's a really good way to get the something to go somewhere.

Like, you know, there's a bunch of boys at the gym. Like she's probably she might want to go there. Then you have. Yes. Or girls. And then then you have a different problem. So which problem do you want? I know. So the one time that I did motivate her to like, okay, I am interested is, um, cause she's like really into acting right now. Like she's actually like in, she's got many roles in the upcoming play at her high school. And,

uh, you know, I'm like, Hey, Captain Marvel didn't like show up like jacked, right? Like she had to like put in work. And so she's like,

oh, okay. That worked for like a couple of weeks, but then it was like, man, this is kind of lame. Like everything, you know? So yeah, definitely finding the interest

is going to be very important for us. Yeah. I mean, at least she has a hobby too. She's not just like sitting at home and like not wanting to do anything. But yeah, I mean, that's a really good one. Like depending on what like parts she's getting,

like maybe she can like start getting into that role. And that's how, I mean that role and that's how i mean i think that's how actors do it they kind of so yeah yeah what's up power project family it's time to stop dressing like you're a fucking preschooler and step your game up by checking out viore clothing now i'm not one to talk i wear a fucking pink hat that has a dog on it but at the end of the day at least my shirt and shorts are popping so head to viore because they have great stuff for your top and your bottom and Andrew, how can they get it? Yes, you guys got to head over to Viore.com slash Power Project.

That's V-U-O-R-I.com slash Power Project. And you guys will automatically receive 20% off your order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Let's get back to the podcast. I got a question. Shifting some gears. Tiff, how do you get strong? How does somebody listening, how do they get strong?

I feel like you have to be really consistent with the really boring stuff is, I think, how you get strong. It's all genetics, though, Tiff. You can't get strong. I don't have good genetics. You're huge. No, I think it's like. Of course you can move tons of weight. Look how big you are.

The camera just makes her look smaller that's all yeah no I think consistency that and like eating I yeah I feel like the more that I've started eating more

like I've gotten a lot stronger like not as like I don't have as much aches and pains and stuff so but I think consistency is really the key. What about you? What do you think people need to do to get stronger?

Or what are people maybe even almost doing wrong sometimes? I mean, for me, even though sometimes I'm still working on it, just like the really most basic stuff, just like eat and sleep enough. They nail those down. Sleep is so hard. And sometimes I'm still working on just like the really most basic stuff, just like eat and sleep enough. You know, like those two things. I nail those down. Like sleep is like so hard. How long have you been lifting, Jeremy? How many years?

So, you know, like I've been playing sports moving around. But like, you know, like powerlifting probably started when I was like 22. Okay. How old are you now? 35. You're 35? Yeah. Oh, shit.

35. You look good, man. Oh, shit. 35. You look good, man. Thank you. I appreciate that. Mustache is great, by the way. Yeah, I do. A little inspiration. I see you running around with a mustache. It's a real thing.

Three of us have mustaches. Yeah, all three? Just three. Just the three, you guys. We'll catch you next time, bud. But yeah, I mean, just like a tip, I mean, I don't think there's anything like tricky or fancy to it. It's just like, I mean, find a gym that you enjoy going to.

Find a good group of people that you enjoy working out with if you can. I mean, obviously, if you just got to work out at home, then that's fine. But then, you know, maybe hire a coach and get some type of direction. So I have like, you know, learn some type of program. You know, I did a lot of different programs when I first started, like 5-3-1. I think I did Brandon Lilly's cube method and all the conjugate variation. I did a small lot. I tried a ton of different stuff.

So I just – Ooh. Play that again. You did a single – I can do that too, guys. That's dope. Wham. Yo.

So actually, okay okay your strength has been maintained like both you guys are really fucking strong but both of you guys have really good like movement ability too along with being fucking strong so over the years of powerlifting how have you guys what have you done to I guess maintain athleticism like Mark mentioned that earlier

you can still jump out of the fucking room and you move really fucking well and you too Tiff but like you're doing olympic lifting and powerlifting i mean i think it's just like i don't know we go on some of these like every once in a while we'll go and do this shit but it's like i think it just is it keeps it like fun so i just i there's nothing that i put into my program like oh i'm gonna do box jumps today. But it just keeps things looser and not so rigid because powerlifting is boring. I don't know. I'm pretty sure all of us, there's something wrong with us that we like to do the same thing every single time. But throwing this stuff in there just makes it more fun.

And I think, yeah, it was never really programmed. Springy. Yeah, damn. I think this was like around the same time we were both doing the same videos because we were just trying to, we were just trying to get

everyone at the gym to do these like stupid stuff with us. But this stuff is super smart. Yeah. You know, jumping is something that not every,

like some people can probably remember that they haven't jumped in weeks or months, right? If you don't jump rope or do anything jumping like what you guys are doing, probably haven't jumped in a while. right if you don't jump rope or do anything jumping like what

you guys are doing probably haven't jumped in a while yeah that's a big deal well even to our detriment sometimes like you know like this thing like like being able to like sprint and jump is something i always want to be able to do i'm not saying like i'd be able to all out sprint you know but like i want to be able to like do those two things like pretty well forever i think especially because we work with kids it's like i don't i don't want this i don't want her to jump higher than me like i have to keep something where i can okay i can run faster than her like you know oh this is i think i fell on my face on that one but we got pretty high damn oh shit oh that's cool if you guys are listening but but there was there are other

ones that i did better than that i don't think i could do that though like that's really cool just gotta work on the dismount otherwise that was great i love like the kill shot she just like kind of like rolls i'm like am i knocked out what I, yeah. I think I won that one. So it was fine. How long were you powerlifting before you started Olympic lifting? And did you notice, well, you were doing conjugate, but did anything about focusing on powerlifting take away from any of your athleticism? Um, I think I was doing powerlifting at least like seven years before I did weightlifting.

Yeah. Um, I don't i actually think i got stronger i mean i think i got faster and like could jump higher because i just had more like muscles yeah you know so like that's one thing i wish i would have like lifted earlier like when i was in high school or even like middle school like just i would have been faster and stronger and i mean obviously I'm not very tall. So like holding off other girls and stuff, playing soccer, like it would have been, I would have been a lot better.

And kick the ball further. And I think I would have had like more body control to control the ball better. So I don't think, I think also because I do all that other stuff that's not really on the program. I think that's why I didn't lose a lot of the athleticism that I had before. That's good. Olympic lifting seems like it might be kind of frustrating. It is so frustrating.

Yeah, it seems like annoying. It seems like you feel like you would have the strength, but you can't perform the technique. Yes. Which kind of means that you don't have the strength necessarily. I have the mental strength. Yeah, well, you miss it and you get really like upset right like so it's much different than a power lifting workout right yeah because i mean there's days where like you do weight lifting you're like i don't even know what he did but i pr'd and then like and then you'll well maybe that's just like me but like no i think that sounds pretty common i believe and then like days you feel really good and you're like, I just, I keep missing it off. Like you start, you start the

lift off like an inch off and you can't get the, you can't get the bar where you want it. And so it's, it was really frustrating, but then it's, I feel like it's so much more rewarding when you get it right. And you're like, Oh, that felt so easy. Like if I could just do that again, like I'd be so much better, but it is, I feel like it's way more rewarding, but it's just so frustrating to like, and yeah. And then like, I'm trying to do both. And so it's like, okay, I need to stop doing this so I can do this. And when I was doing super total, like just all these different body parts.

What's a super total? Super total is a power lifting and weightlifting in the same meet or like, I mean at the Arnold, it wasn't like a,'s a super total? Super total is powerlifting and weightlifting in the same meet. I mean, at the Arnold, it wasn't like an official super total, but I competed I did weightlifting on Thursday and then I competed powerlifting on Saturday. So, close enough. But yeah, just different things hurt all

the time when you do both. So, I had to pull back on one to the other. In Olympic lifting, it seems like it's I made it that didn't take me that long either it was like five minutes that's a good one in olympic lifting it seems like it's maybe part of the training like to miss lifts like it's sort of uh it's more accepted right like in power lifting we really don't miss reps in training. Yeah. And if we do, we kind of scratch our head and we kind of recalculate and say, all right, well, we're not on track the way that we thought we were. Like it's a big deal if you miss reps in powerlifting.

What do you think the difference there is? Like why is that? I mean I think like because I feel like powerlifting, like there's not that much in the technique. Because I feel like powerlifting, there's not that much in the technique. I mean, there is technique, but when you miss, I feel like it's usually more of a strength thing or a focus thing. Yeah, you're just moving the bar around, where in Olympic lifting, you move the bar and your body, right? Yeah, and I feel like you could start off, like I was saying, an inch off, but then on the next one, you could just kind of change that just a tiny bit and you'll make it where I feel like a lot of powerlifting missing is like,

it's like, yeah, I fucked something up. Like, it's not like, Oh, I'm just off by a little bit. Um,

and then with powerlifting too, it's like, I feel like it takes so much more out of you too. When you do lift on those where like weightlifting, you're not like grinding it out with a lot of like power lifts. Like when you're trying to grind out the squat for like a minute and you're like, oh, I missed that. Like I can't go back and do that.

Like I'm, I'm dead now. We're like weightlifting. It's like, you don't have to, you just throw the bar and you're like, okay, just like get myself focused more and like do it right. So yeah. Yeah. If you miss like a heavy squat, you're not going to be like, all right, I just got to like, you're not going to like make a jump in the weightlifting though.

Like miss 90% like just throw like five more percent on. We're going to go up. I'll get it. It's like, that's not really usually a good move. Do you guys both mess around with some like bodybuilding stuff as well? Is that part of your regimen? I don't. I was, when I was doing the diet for, uh, with Kenny, um, I was just, you know, cause like my one of my back was kind of fucked up when I was coming back.

I just kind of was doing just bodybuilding stuff. But I've kind of like dabbled with like some of those like sets and rep schemes like over the years for a while. Yeah, I mean I enjoy the workouts. They're a lot of fun. I don't feel like the same anxiety sometimes I do for like a heavy lift but like a different type of you know mental you know like pushing through some of those reps and sets and keeping a good pace and staying focused and not like you know lollygagging too long so it's just a little bit different but it's nice i find it really like a lot more relaxing honestly sometimes than like a powerlifting workout

yeah that's how i feel with weightlifting like i feel more relaxed when i do weightlifting just because i don't have as much pressure to like, I feel like I've been doing powerlifting for so long that like I have to hit like certain numbers or like, I feel like I should be like this strong. But with weightlifting, I'm like, yeah, I mean, this is more fun. Like I don't have like, I don't, there's nothing that I'm like, oh, I should be able to do this. So it kind of sounds like neither one of you guys are really, I mean, everyone always has like, I guess has I guess aesthetics like in mind to some extent. But it seems like both you guys are training more for performance and it seems like the amount of food that you're consuming, it seems like you're not in like a deficit. So it sounds to me like a lot – like from what I see from a lot of people is they're – people are in a caloric deficit quite a bit,

and then they struggle with consistency of the diet even because they're trying to be in a caloric deficit. But they really start to struggle with their performance in the gym, and it sounds like you guys are more concerned about being able to put really good efforts in the gym. Yeah. I mean, I feel like— And you both look amazing. Thank you. And I think that's a really interesting thing because there's people that are so concerned and so worried about it,

but they're maybe just—they're not eating enough to really fuel some of the exercising that they're doing. Yeah, I feel like when I started working with Kenny and, like, eating so much more, I was like—at first I was kind of scared because I'm like, he wants me to eat, like, five meals, and he wants me—they're, like, 500 calories each. I'm like, he wants me to eat five meals and they're like 500 calories each. I'm like, I don't know. I think this is wrong and I had to talk to him a few times, but I just feel way better. And I mean, I feel like every girl is like, I mean, you don't want to get too big or whatever. But I mean, as long as I feel comfortable in my clothes, like I just, I mean, I'd rather be strong and like keep hitting PRs and not like, I feel like you do get a lot

more injuries when you're like really lean all the time. Um, and I've never, like I've been competing for 10 years and I haven't missed weight like once. And like, I think I've gotten, like, I know my body well enough now. Like I know where I need to be for if I'm going to cut to 97 or if I'm cutting. If I have a 24-hour weigh-in or a two-hour weigh-in, I think for how long I've been doing this, I know I need to stay at this weight or else I'm going to drop too much. I feel like eating's been a lot more fun since i don't like i don't think i've ever really like been like at a caloric deficit except for when i'm like leaning up to a and like i think i think that's kind of the way to go i don't think i could do it any other way

really because then i feel like when i don't eat enough i'm not very nice have you guys ever has there ever been a point where you guys felt like you were out of shape i want to say out of shape i mean just like out of shape you know what i mean yeah like you know yeah definitely nothing like coming you know this uh back uh back injury i had like uh earlier like the fall yeah man had me down. It was hard to get 5,000 steps in a day or even a few thousand. Really? What exactly happened to your back? I just had really bad sciatic pain down my foot.

Just super bad. I've had it two or three years ago. I had it kind of flare up pretty good. And then I just had it get me real good for a couple months. I like it just was not sleeping very well and just like had like the numbness down my foot just a lot of that stuff and just like you know tough time sleeping and walking and sitting and standing and laying anything for too long but yeah you know like like that's that's like when like you know just like trying to get my steps together that's why i wanted wanted to get the aura ring, like just like those little things. And that's when I called Kenny as well.

Cause I was like, you know, I can't really move much. I want to get everything else, you know, just dialed in as I can. So I want to like get a good diet going and stuff and kind of monitor a little bit. And yeah, all that stuff kind of helped a little bit. But yeah, I felt when I felt really out of shape, I just had to give myself like small wins. Like dude, like walk 10,000 steps today. Like I was like, all right, I did it. Yeah. Like I got out of the steps today like i was like all right i did it yeah you know

like i got out of the house today and i was like that was one of them put your socks on unassisted it's like okay okay like how i can put my socks on is like a really good indicator to my health old man test yeah yeah so but yeah you know uh getting getting strong again or like getting back not even strong just back in shape you know like because, getting strong again or like getting back and not even strong, just back in shape, you know, like, cause I felt out of shape too. Just like kind of,

you know, getting out of breath on some certain walks and like, you know, just not really having the energy through the day that I was used to. Yeah. Let me ask you this too. Like, what are some things that you guys just like do each day that is part of your

lifestyle? Obviously exercise and you guys eat, but do you guys take walks each day? Well, you're working with kids, but what are the things that you do that you lifestyle obviously exercise and you guys eat but do you guys take walks each day well you're working with kids but what are the things that you do that you think aids in what you do passively um i think like the like tiff has helped me so much with this but just like making stuff easy like our food is really easily accessible like we have all of our bone broth packets right you know it's like everything's like set up like really organized so when it like in the mornings like making breakfast it's just like hot water oatmeal

doing this it's just like everything's like really easy it's like like have because you know i used to not have breakfast a lot in the mornings like that's something like you know like i just like we're not a big breakfast but now i get up like really early i make breakfast i like make i bring my food with me for the day just so it's like that ritual of getting up in the morning and like having breakfast like a good start to the day. Yeah. Because I feel like I'm someone who's going to win more. If I get a win, it's easy for me to get another win. But once I feel like it's not perfect, I'm like, oh, fuck it all to hell.

So starting off with a win is really important for me. So I would say definitely since I've been living with Tiff, it's been good. The morning is just kind of a little bit more organized than I was doing at my place before. But yeah, you know, and then just like setting a bedtime has been really good. Bedtime. Like, so having a bedtime, like trying to have the same. Is that something you didn't have before? No, I was kind of winging it a lot. Like, I would just like go to bed kind of whenever I felt like it a lot of times.

Or just depending if I had work set by me. I think that's really common. I think a lot of people do that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but once I kind of stopped doing that, really trying to just no matter what get up around the same time, at least within an hour or two, and go to bed around the same time. And yeah, every once in a while, right? But for me, when I have that structure, as soon as I lose those two things,

like my bedtime or my wake-up time is messed up, my whole day gets messed up. My eating's not the same. And it's just a little... So for me, it's just like the bookends. I try to start and finish my day well. I have all my vitamins.

Tim helps me get my little vitamins at night. You know those old people that have the sun-drenched shoes? Yeah, we got him one of those and he's been taking his night pills. Yeah, it's like my nightly routine,

you know, like we might do a little night walk after we eat and then we'll, you know, hit our like vitamins and tea

and like just like make sure like, you know, it locks down and then, but yeah, those, I'd say those two things.

Like what's that blue pill, Tiff? What's that? And then look, in between the day, if I can drink my gallon of water, if I can be good with my meal timing, have enough protein, and all that good stuff, those are all extra things. But for me, just starting and ending my day, well. The bone broth hack that you showed me last time, I think people should understand what the fuck this is and why it helps so much. It's so amazing. I don't have any with me right now, why it helps so much. It's so amazing. It's so easy.

I feel like so many people at the gym use it now because we're like, what is that? It smells good. You're like, just 10 grams of protein. I don't know. Oh yeah, the bare bones bone broth. There's some other folks that are catching on to that stuff as well.

But it is the easiest 10, 20, 30 grams of protein that you could like possibly get and it's just all like collagen proteins on this or like the complete protein but if you're eating like meat and other things you'll be fine but it is just an easy it's easy money it's found money on the ground it's an easy one and it tastes so good i remember you brought it last time i tried i'm like damn this is really good yeah so i try to have that at night like like digestion like like morning and night. Yeah. We first started with the packets. We started with those and it's too expensive because he eats a lot.

So then we had to get the, they have like packets that you can just mix with hot water. And you said sometimes you just pour it over rice too? Oh yeah. We'll just get like, I'll put like three or four packets. I'll put like three or four packets and just pour it in rice with some meat. And it's got like 30 grams of like the collagen protein and then like six ounces of the meat or whatever. Yeah. This should taste really good, guys.

You need to check it out. It's on Amazon. It's really good. Especially like when it's cold out. Like I can – I don't drink them as much as he does, but I can – It's a powder? Yeah. And it's got the salt in it too.

So it's hydrating. It's got like a few things. You got the collagen protein. It's got the sodium. And it's just the powder too. It's just boom, boom, hot water. You take it's hydrating. It's got a few things. It's got the collagen protein, it's got the sodium, and it's just the powder too. It's just boom, boom, hot water. You take it anywhere? Yeah. Easy. I love bone broth. I usually throw some butter in there. Yeah.

Yeah. Throw it in the blender, throw some butter in there. It's amazing. Boner broth. Do you guys take any other supplements? Like protein shakes and that sort of thing? I don't do very much. I got protein dextrose, but she doesn't.

Like Kenny wants me to start taking creatine and I'm like, I don't take anything. I just eat all my food and I like don't add anything. Creatine is like the chillest, most useful thing. I know. I don't know. I just don't like powder. I just make a mess. So I just eat food.

You know, you can put creatine in coffee. It tastes like nothing. I don't drink. I just don't like powder. I just make a mess, so I just eat food. You know you can put creatine in coffee. It tastes like nothing. I don't drink coffee. Wow, you're really bare bones. Good for you. I just wake up like this, guys. Hey, you're not like us where you need that stimulant every fucking morning.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, she's really steady. Even when she lifts her heaviest lift, she'll just be over there walking through the park and about to do the heaviest lift she's ever done in her life. Yeah, everyone makes fun of me because I listen to one song over and over again. Jeremy loves it when I do this in the car, too. What's the song?

Damn Straight? Yeah, I listen to a country song over and over again. It's sad. And one time I came into the gym, and Tiff's been there for a while. So at our gym, like if you've been there the longest, you can use the stereo

kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just come in and there's just like four dudes just like doing their workout and it's just like, damn, I'm straight. And Tiff's just like

over there doing her workout and they're just like, oh my God. Same song over and over. Over and over. She just does one song, dude. You ever killed animals when you were a kid?

No. Actually, you know, one time I had a turtle. And I don't know, like, when or how it got out of its little crate, like, little thing. I didn't know. Like, this is the only time I killed an animal. And when we moved, finally, like, five years later, we were moving the couch. It was under the couch.

A dead turtle was upside down underneath the couch. How big was it? It was, like, this big. It wasn't big enough to get out of there, I guess. That's what I'm going to do. I thought you were going to say you stepped on it or crushed it. He escaped on his own, couldn't take care of himself and died. That's on him.

Okay, see? No, I've never killed an animal. Jeremy is a lawyer. Oh, you know, right when I got my license, I ran over a squirrel. But that's like, you know, I didn't try to. You deserved it. But yeah, that was the first thing I did. Running around all crazy.

That's the first thing I got when I got my license. Yeah. You know, since we're sharing animal killing stories, when I was 12, I got this little mouse for a science project. I think I was in seventh grade or some shit. And one day, I brought it out of its little cage, and I just threw it up in the air, and it squealed. And I was like, oh, maybe it likes that.

It's just a tiny little white mouse with red eyes. So I threw it again. Whee! Whee! Whee! And then it just, I felt so bad. Because when I found it, when I realized it was dead, I got scared and I threw it.

Because I was like, oh! You know? And then you killed it even more. Yeah, no, it was dead it was it was it was dead so i had a heart attack from all the excitement yeah i thought it was having fun man it was really it was really unfortunate stop making noise anybody else kill animals or uh no like on purpose accident like you it It was an accident. It really was an accident, dog. And Seba's like, who wants to, hey, do you ever kill any animals?

So I'll go next. Yeah, you brought that one up. I didn't bring that one up. That's been weighing on him for years. Well, hey, she killed an animal that's supposed to live like 50 plus years. I mean, I didn't, I didn't throw, I didn't slam it on the ground or anything. I didn't even open the little crate. So, actually. Hey, no, this is the way that Steven did.

He was like, wee, wee, wee. And then he wrote down, three. All right, we'll get the next one up. Turtle escaping, that's a little suspect. I don't know if I believe the story about it escaping. Maybe my parents let it escape because they didn't like it yeah turtles kind of smell they have a they have a smell my stepdad's turtle uh he escaped or yeah and uh he yeah he it's fast guys are in the backyard they're fast once you let him out boom gone yeah i can yeah he's gone. I can think just about a minute. I believe this. He cried. I can't.

The turtle cried? No, my stepdad did. Oh, man. I was like, jelly. I don't know where he is, dude. He's gone. It was jelly? Yeah, it was.

Hey, this guy just. He turned around, just looked at you guys and sped off. Yeah, he's fine, though. Like a month later, he got a turtle and literally named it Jelly 2. There he is. Jelly 2? Yeah, Jelly 2. Oh, he's fine, though. Like a month later, he got a turtle and literally named it Jelly 2. There we go. Jelly 2? Yeah, Jelly 2. Aw, okay. Weird. My neighbor kids

growing up, they had like a big turtle. Like a big... How big? Pretty fucking big. Like a tortoise. A tortoise? Yeah, a tortoise. There you go. One day, one of our huskies was eating out of a bowl. I was like, damn, where is she eating? Like, what bowl is that?

It wasn't a bowl i was like damn where does like where is she eating like what bowl is that wasn't a bowl she was going on down on the turtle and the turtle just you know on its back in the couple days later one of the neighbor kids came over knocking on the door it was like hey our turtle got out have you guys seen it what no? No way. That's crazy. That's all bull. No. I haven't seen the turtle. I'll let you know. How'd you dispose? My dad threw it away.

I'm not touching it. He just put it in his trunk. There's a lot of coyotes, though. A lot of coyotes around here, though. Really a lot. Really a lot. Yeah. Turtles be trying to escape.

Yeah. They want to get out. They're trying to get to the water. Turtles be the water yeah that's probably yeah mess around and find out so far totals are oh for two on their own over three wow over three guys curious biggest lessons from jesse burdick jesse Curious. Biggest lessons from Jesse Burdick? Jesse. When I first started going there, I wouldn't really talk. So the biggest lesson from Jesse was to use my words.

Because he would be working out with all the guys and maybe I need a spot. But I don't want to at the wrong time. So i'd be like and i'm not very tall so then i'd stand on stuff and hope that he would like look at me and i'd be like i'd like jesse and he no one hears me because there's music and then he'd be like are you like making bird noises over there i'm like yeah i thought that would help to get your attention and so biggest, biggest lesson. Use my words. It's a good one. No, that actually helps a lot, especially you guys. Helps me. Talk more.

Yeah, shoot. I mean, biggest lesson I've learned from Jesse, or one of the things I've learned from Jesse, I would say, is just that he has a really good ability. I think everyone in the gym feels like they have a special relationship with him in their own way. If you ask me, I'm like, I'm Jesse's favorite. If you ask someone else, I'm actually Jesse's favorite. I'm actually Jesse's favorite.

I'm actually Jesse. Gas lights everybody. Yeah. He's good at gas lights everybody. God damn it. God damn it. He's so good. But. He's good at gas. God damn it. God damn it. He's so good. But he's just really good.

I think he's just – he really – I don't know. He takes the time to really get to know his clients beyond just like a numbers and like a this and he – and I think he understands that there's more – even just on a very small level we talked about with kids, you got to make it fun. Those kids grow to be adults and in some level, there needs to be some element of that. They have to be adults and in some level there needs to be some element of that they have to enjoy being there in some level you know so like yeah just like making it fun jesse has the saying lift hard laugh harder like making it fun making enjoyable people to be there and like taking the time to like get to know like your members and like the people around you that you

train with and yeah to be of service to like, you know, just like not just the gym, keep me clean, but you know, you guys have the rule here, like no headphones on. I love that rule because it's like people need help and like people, you know, interact with each other and to where they were.

Yeah. And some days I get it, you know, put your headphones on, do your thing. But for like the most part, you know, we're there to,

there's, you know, um, I guess the thing I learned from Jesse most is that it's not just about you in the gym. Not all about you and to be of service. I'd say those are good. Power Project family, quality sleep can make everything with your health and fitness easier, which is

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my goal uh i don't i'm competing in may and I'm trying to, um, get the records with like just sleeves. Cause I had them in wraps, but I don't know. I gotta feel like lifting wise. Like I don't, I, I don't have like huge goals. I'm like trying to,

I just trying to get better. Like just trying to get like PR totals. Like I think for a while it was like very like, I want to hit like pr dead squat or pr deadlift but like i think the longer i'm in i'm like like the total is like the coolest thing to keep like increasing because if you if you increase the total it's like you're increasing something else so i feel like that i don't really have like a huge lifting goal at this point right now um i mean i'm for weightlifting i'm trying to qualify for ao finals and then try to see if i can get better at that what's it it's like american open

finals so um i don't have like i don't know i wish i had better goals right now for it. Do you usually set goals? Have you set goals to get world records? I feel like I just kind of fell into those. And it just kind of happened. How did it just happen? You started lifting and then you could squat pretty good. And someone's like, you should do a power for me or was there more complicated uh i think like like the first time i set a world record i like looked at it i was like i think i could do that and then i think i asked i think zach was my coach's time like do you think i could do this and he was like yeah and so that's kind of how that happened i don. I don't know.

I feel like there wasn't as much thought into it that I think a lot of people now have into setting their goals or breaking records. How much lifting was under your belt at that time, do you know? I think I had been lifting for maybe two or three years. Okay, yeah, so there was time spent under the barbell. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So that first year that I competed, like, I think I did like eight meets because it was like our coach was paying for our travel and our meet and like paying us for food. And we were like, okay, like, let's just keep doing this. I don't know. But like I had no clue I was doing the first meet.

They're like, you need a belt. And I'm like, okay, do you have one for me? And and like it was way too big like no one else is this small and then like i didn't have a singlet and i don't know it was it's cool because like when i started lifting like 10 years ago like i feel like there are maybe like 30 40 people at the meet there's like two or three girls and like it wasn't this huge thing on like Instagram and like I didn't feel a lot of pressure to like do anything like where now I feel like people are like I can't compete like I'm not strong enough and you're like I don't know I think I bench like the bar on my first meet like I don't and like it wasn't like something I was like oh wow I suck I was just like cool I just did this

can we go eat like I don't know I feel's so much pressure now to, like, do different things. And, like, I wish that people that were starting out could see, like, how I saw it when I started. It was like, cool, let's just do this thing with our friends and, like, let's go eat after. Do you remember some of those numbers from the first competition-ish? I think I maybe scored, like, 135. I think I deadlifted maybe like 135 or 165. I don't know. It wasn't – I don't think I was very into the numbers then.

I was just like, yeah, whatever you think I should do. I think there's something valuable there. It's valuable to be a little nonchalant about it, you know, and just go out and do like I trained and I'm going to see what the results of my training are. I mean, it's how it starts for anybody, anybody doing a jujitsu tournament when someone first gets in, it's gotta be kind of, it can be kind of scary I would imagine, but it also could be like, well,

I've been training a couple months or I've been training a year. I'm just going to try it. Same thing with I'm doing a marathon coming up like I'm just going to I don't know what's going to happen. I've never run that far before. Well I don't know. We'll see what happens. Your first marathon is the Boston. That's crazy.

Yeah but I wish people now had that same experience of like I'm just going to go and like do whatever I've done like I don't like have not so much pressure. I feel like social I feel like that's like the downfall of social media for me is like seeing everyone put so much pressure on themselves to do certain things where it's like just do whatever you can like yeah yeah like there's people that can do it better but like the only way to get better is like you got to do it first and then kind of get into it a little bit more but yeah and it also doesn't have to be something where like

it's interesting because you know if you do a competition usually like you want to do really really well but the competition experience in and of itself is pretty cool to get yourself prepared for yeah i mean i wish i could say the first one like i i i just like i don't even if I, how long I was lifting for that first meet. I don't know. I don't think it was very long. I just, I, I was basically told like I either can't be on the team or I have to compete. And I was like, all right, here I am. So, but yeah. What about for you, Jeremy? Do you set goals and stuff like that? Like when you were – I know you haven't competed in a little bit, but you're wanting to get back. Do you set goals like that too or are you nonchalant kind of like her or do you like set them specifically kind of? No.

I would set some specific goals. I think when I first got into it though, I didn't really have any specific goals. I wasn't even like aware of like numbers i just you know was uh i had been training the powerlifting style for like a couple years and then you know one of my friends you know like that i was training with like encouraged me to do a meet and then i did the meet and uh actually this this i still remember this guy's name his name was robbie uh he used to be at csa who's married oh yeah but uh he was uh i was competing against him in the 198 and he was like helping me in the back and like you let you do this do that i was like oh shoot cool my it's like

my competitor but he's like helping me kind of come along and then i think i deadlifted like 650 that day it was like my first meet and he was like hey like 55 more pounds and like that's the state record you should try for that i was like oh there's like records and i was like so i started like looking them up and stuff and at the time jesse norris was like the guy at 98 and it's still the guy i do like that was awesome but uh his deadlift was 826 at then and then like and uh his i was like wow that is really far out there holy wow and i think his uh the bench was around like 420 at 198 he had and then his squat was was still pretty – he had like a 760 squat I think. Something like that. But I was like, okay, deadlift maybe.

Those other ones are like pretty crazy. I was like – at the time I had like a 290 bench, first one, and 500-pound squat. So I was like, those seem pretty far away. Maybe if I like – so I remember thinking like really far out. I'd love to be able to give that one like a crack you know then obviously you're aiming for a moving target but that was in the beginning that was like something that really encouraged me to like you know moving that i would like write up my numbers on the chalkboard of where i worked at i would like write up like next meet goal numbers or like just like you know in general i remember

looking up like the california state total and like wanting to try to beat those things but i don't know lately uh i still have some like pretty granular like numbers i really want to hit uh and but in general like what tiff was saying you know i mean i just want to you know i still believe i have the ability to improve and i still enjoy training so you know even with all the fucking bullshit and all the injuries and you know like you know struggling to get back i still like enjoy the process and the people and community. And then lifting, of course. I freaking love powerlifting still. Yeah, you did an 898 deadlift or something like that, right?

Yeah, 893 is the best one so far. Yep, and that was in 2019 now, I think. yep and that was like uh in like 2019 now i think yeah and then yeah so and best squat you did 804 squat yeah that's what always impressed me the most because i i knew about your deadlift i remember seeing many times you doing these explosive deadlifts and i was like fuck man this guy's so incredible on the deadlift and then i don't know if it's like i wasn't paying attention or i don't know what happened but i remember in a meet where you hit like an 804 squat i was like where the fuck did that i mean you were that strong the whole time but i just because your deadlift was so good i wasn't paying attention to the squat i was sleeping on it yeah you know that's in the squat spin that's

been like the that's been the toughest one too you know that's where i've had a lot of like you know a lot of pain and a lot of like you know trouble with but um yeah i was pretty proud of that 804 you know i was in wraps and all that kind of good stuff so that's my best in wraps and then best in sleeves is like 720 around there uh so yeah i mean those numbers like i was like as far as squat like that was like that was a big one for me i was like pretty stoked about that. And then deadlift, I got to get 900, and then I can obviously go fuck off somewhere. And fucking, you know, I don't know, do whatever after that. But damn, dude, yeah, I got to keep putting my foot forward to go for that one. And I'd still love to get a 2,000-pound total in sleeves.

I got 2120 or something like that. And wraps, back when wraps was what everyone wanted to compete in. But everyone, sleeves is the thing now. And even back then, that was always a goal of mine. I really wanted to get 2000 in sleeves and an 9-pound deadlift and lots of people have done that by now. And we got people in like two, three weight classes lower.

05.20 People are cheating. They got these special bars. 05.20 Yeah, they got these special bars and special sleeves. Oh, my goodness. You only need to be able to lift about 300 pounds and it turns into 900 pounds with the sleeves and the new bars. The sleeves and the bar, man.

It's easy. 200 kilos just added instantly. Goddamn kids are cheating. And TikTok adds 20 kilos to your total too, I think, maybe. What do you guys think of some of the powerlifters that have come along? I mean, there's people that you mentioned, Jesse Norris. There's a bunch of people that have surpassed those numbers now, and it just fucking keeps going crazy. It's insane.

It's crazy. I mean, some of the girls that are in my weight class, they're young and they're fucking strong. I'm like, I don't know what you guys are doing, but I'm just going to keep my slow game here. But, yeah, I don't know what you guys are doing, but I'm just going to keep my slow game here. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think they just, I mean, they probably have a better foundation than, like, me going in the gym. Like, I don't know. Maybe I'll bench like this. So, I mean, I think there's so much more information out there now that, like, I wish, like, I mean, I wish I would have started when I was younger.

I think I started when I was, like, 21. And, like, these girls are are 21 and they're just like, okay, you're squatting 350. That's great. I'm just going to keep squatting over here. You compete in a drug-tested federation and you also compete sometimes in a non-drug-tested. Do you care what other people do

or you just focus on your own numbers? I don't really care. I see what they're doing, but also I feel like I go into the meets and I just want to get my PRs. Like, I don't know. I feel like a lot of people do. There's just different ways to look at it, and I think at this point for me,

I'm just like, I just want to get out of the meet with a PR, and I'm healthy. Right. I don't know. For how long I've been on it, I, I know, like, I'm not making money off powerlifting. I'm making money off, like, you know, I can move my body. Like, I can show people how to do stuff. Like, I'm not going to make anything off powerlifting. Right.

It's just fun. It's fun to compete. It's fun to, like, see PRs. It's fun to meet people. But at the same time, I know realistically I'm not I know realistically I'm going to kill my body for what. It's also cool because it's one of those sports that you can continue competing for a long time. We see some badass 50, 60-year-old lifters. I want to be that.

I want to be that. Got anything else over there, Andrew? Yeah, let me find it. I want to be that. I want to be that. Cool. Got anything else over there, Andrew? Yeah. Let me find it. And by the way, at this point, your records, are they still standing? Yeah, the world records, the all-time world records for a 97-pound weight class, yeah. Is there anyone that's getting close to those right now?

I don't really know. I don't know how to find that out like okay um but i mean like yeah i don't know okay but if there is like i don't know i guess i'll try a little harder she doesn't know how awesome she is huh no she's like she's pretty reserved yeah she she just yeah she does not she's like i don't know a couple world records you know people like use that as a talking point like when like i meet people and's like, I don't know. I just have a couple of world records. I know. She is. People use that as a talking point.

When I meet people and I'm like, I don't know. That's just not where I would start. Like, hey, I have some world records. And then here's the rest of my life. Right. It's a byproduct of what you do and it's not necessarily who you are. Yeah. But it does represent something of who you are because it represents a body of work and consistency

and what you enjoy doing. So you guys had mentioned lessons from Jesse Burdick. I'm just curious what, I don't know if he talked to you guys about anything when you guys had posted this picture. Whoa. Oh, my God. Because, I mean, I don't know what you guys, you you know how you feel about jesse but when i'm

like looking at him and you guys i'm like oh these are like his kids almost and then now all of a sudden they come out and say like your quote was it's so pretty it's a beautiful when your best friend turns into your boyfriend so like i don't know if he like do you want to tell him do you want to tell how you told jesse oh no you how you told Jesse? Oh no, you got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it.

I think, well, we were like, Oh, we got to tell him. And then I think I was like, Jerry, you have to tell him.

And so Jerry told him and then got in his car and left before Jesse could say anything. I think is how that went. Yeah. I was like, Oh yeah, me and Tiff are dating. I'll see you tomorrow. Bye.

Oh yeah. Yeah. We're just, we're dating now. So it's all good, dude. I'll see you. That's. Oh, yeah, yeah. We're just on a date now. So it's all good, dude. I'll see you. That's funny. Yep.

That was a buildup. And then he just kind of laughed. He was like, I don't remember what he said. I don't think he had much to say about it. His girls were even funnier about it. They're like, we knew it. We could have called this when we were five. I'm like, okay, girls.

Whatever. Was there a lot of chemistry before a lot of this? We could have called this when we were five. I'm like, okay, girls, whatever. Was there a lot of chemistry before a lot of this? Or were you guys just friends? No, we were friends. We really did train and kept it that way. We were just training partners. There was no hanky-panky going on. There was none of thaty nothing like that no nonsense

but no yeah we were really just friends and we were just tight just like really just like best man just like we trained with jesse i it's funny like when i got to the gym i thought she'd been with jesse for years so i was like man i better be like cool to her a little bit but it's like yeah i just but we just got there at the same time so I was just like alright they seem to like know each other but like yeah I didn't realize that that's so cute

yeah yeah and that's how it went down pretty much but yeah like nothing went down for like 8 or 9 years yeah

damn so you guys knew each other 8 or 9 years and then started dating yeah we knew each other for a long time yeah yeah that's awesome

yeah yeah 8 years or so what kind of led to that? Because you were around each other forever and then, it's like,

asking on a date or something? No. Yeah, I mean, dang. We door dash food a lot and, like,

this is, Bob's Donuts, Bob's Donuts. He took me on a drive while I fell asleep in the car. So you drugged her. With donuts.

And she consented to the donuts. She's like, I want donuts. And then we'd go get the donuts and she'd just... Yeah, I would just sleep the whole time. And he'd be like, we're here. I'm like, okay. And then I'd go back to sleep after a week.

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like we both were in relationships for most of the time. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, just the timing, I guess. We just kind of clicked a little bit. We were hanging out a bunch together. Yeah, and then for me, I just kind of realized I wanted more than friendship.

I think I was trying to figure out how to like. It's kind of, hey, you just met a girl. It's like, hey, want to go on a date? No? All right, I'll fuck off. But it's like your best friend is like, hey, want to go out? No? All right, see you tomorrow forever.

You know? So, damn. I was like, fuck, man, how do I do this shit? You know what I mean? Because we're both got to stay here. You know, bro. You know what I mean? So, I was like, fuck, man, how do I do this shit? You know what I mean? Because we're both got to stay here. You're gross. She was like, ugh. You're like my brother.

Honestly, I wasn't sure. Man, you heard her. She doesn't talk a lot. She's making bird noises most of the time. I do not look at you like that. What way do you think I was looking at you? That could have gone really bad. That could have gone really fucking bad.

Yeah, thank God. You know, worked out the donuts are really good at Bob's. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good start. Shout out to Bob's. Shout out to Bob's Donuts. They had Polk Street.

Not the other one. Not the other one. No, that one sucks. All right, Andrew. Take us on out of here, buddy. Sure thing. Thank you, everybody, for checking out today's episode. Please drop those comments down below.

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