Mark Bell's Power Project - Jordan Peterson’s 5 Rules to INTELLECTUALLY Defend Yourself || MBPP Ep. 869

Episode Date: January 16, 2023

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are we going we're going mark you said something to andrew he did i did i sent him a poop emoji well did that stink it wasn't too bad don't you think it'd be so cool if one day this is gonna happen where like when you send emojis there's like a scratch and sniff but you don't have to scratch your phone it's just like your phone has this emitter where you can smell the emoji so you smell send a cucumber or a or an eggplant. You can sniff it. Like a starfish. That'd be fucking. Yeah.

Project tongue right in there. You have the options. Like you want to smell a starfish or a starfish. If you put your tongue on the phone, it like warms up. Possibilities are endless. Yeah. Anyway,

now that we lost all of our viewers that's what we love to do at the beginning of these shows all six or seven of them uh you guys know that we talk a lot on the show about personal development and uh i don't know just ways of trying to advance yourself try to be better than you were yesterday in lifting and in life and in exercise of any kind. Andrew and Seema love to beat people up. They're trying to become more efficient at killing people. I don't know why they're both so angry, but it's something they're dedicating themselves to. They're spending an awful lot of time trying to hurt people and trying to get themselves to not get hurt.

Because hurt people hurt people. That's right. a it's just a way to level up you know there's different ways to level up in this world and uh i think you guys are uh it doesn't matter if you're doing jiu-jitsu if you're doing running or if you're doing lifting uh it's just that jiu-jitsu happens to be it can be applied to like a fight uh but life is kind of a fight and life is, you need a lot of problem solving skills in life. And the same thing happens in the weight room when you're trying to learn about hypertrophy. You're trying to learn about gaining strength. You're trying to learn about losing body fat. These are all skill sets that you got to learn.

And there's many traits and skill sets that take a long time to acquire. It's not like you just hear someone say something and then you pull a David Goggins and you say, Roger that. And you just go and do it. You can do that. And that can happen. But usually someone's got to tell you like 16 times that you probably don't need to eat nearly the amount of food that you're eating right now for you to start to implement that into your life and for you to start to lose weight yeah i am very curious like i am very curious what this clip's about to be about because i feel like this is from jordan peterson and um jordan peterson you know i i think uh shares a lot

of information that is just of this realm of self-improvement. He's got the 12 Rules book that is just massively famous, one of the most popular books of the last probably, I don't know, 20, 30 years, like a really, really popular book yeah and uh i think he has a lot of great information out there um about how someone can um develop into being better than they were yesterday and so i found this clip to be helpful andrew can you hit it up let's see what you think about it and see arm yourself with words be precise in your language say what you mean read read great men and great women make yourself literate get your tongue in order get it under your own control get rid of the ums and the likes and the you knows and the pauses and get rid of everything you say that you only say to impress other people and just see if you can say what you believe to be true.

That's an adventure. Arm yourself. Why did this speak to you so much? Well, first of all, he said read, and I don't read. But you listen to content. I do. You listen to books. I do.

You consume. Yeah, I do consume, and I read more than i give myself credit for i just i don't really crack open books that often uh however i have made a change recently and instead of bringing my phone into the bathroom i'm reading books while i'm taking a shit and you guys know how much shit lots of shitting yeah flying out of my body all the time so i'm uh becoming a consumer of books you're getting like an hour or two of reading a day that way yeah exactly yeah uh so so yeah i'm reading a bunch of stuff now but anyway uh it caught my attention because i'm like thinking like uh you know there's other ways to learn stuff than to just read

but i do agree there's a lot of power agree. There's a lot of power in reading. There's a lot of empowerment in reading. And just kind of following along more with what he said was to get your tongue in order in SEMA. We do not know where that tongue has been, you dirty bastard. I don't brush my teeth every day just because i like to i like like to keep the flavor i like flavors flavor saver mustache yeah there's also been like a weird conspiracy theory around

brushing your teeth that i've been seeing it's a scam yeah that and then when your teeth when your gums get all swollen and red and bloody that that's uh it's detoxing i've never had a cavity my entire life yeah dr colgate he's over there making so much so much money fucking counting his paper yeah meanwhile he's poisoning us smells good right yeah smells awesome there you go i do brush my teeth every day guys how many times have you been to the dentist it's been years yeah but i'm not i'm not talking shit i'm actually just like this is a very good compliment. Yeah.

I've been to the dentist a fuck ton of times and my teeth are all wrecked. Oh, man. Anyway. Anyway, I love the clip because I think it's important for people just not go around being stupid. Learn, you know, learn. Try to advance yourself. Try to start to understand concepts. And there's, if there's concepts that you don't understand, it's totally and completely fine to say that you don't understand something. A lot of times when my son, Jake asked me stuff,

I'm like, try not to dad, this, try not to dad, this, try not to dad, this. It's very common for a lot of people to just start to spit out a bunch of information, but you're not actually really answering the question for one. And two, you may not even know that much about what it is you're talking about. I've found myself to do that before. I'm trying to get better at it. The other thing that he said was to try to get rid of the ands and the ums and the likes. And those of you that have been listening for a long time, I'm sure you picked up on whatever bullshit that Andrew does or Seema does or that I do. And there we go.

There's an um. We're not always aware of these things. They're not easy to just completely get rid of, but why not practice it? And why not practice getting better, getting better at everything best you can? Yeah, I've been practicing and trying, but it's very difficult. And we, you know, I see comments about how, you know, people are just saying, these guys say like in them all the time or like this, like that. I promise if you record yourself speaking into a microphone for several hours each day you'll start picking up things that you do

that you don't even notice that you do right now so it is difficult but what stuck out to me the most about this clip was when he was talking about get rid of everything you say that's meant to impress other people i thought was gigantic because there's a lot of people uh like faking the funk right they're talking a big, but they're not really doing much. You see this the most on Instagram, you know, whether it be somebody getting a hardcore killer workout at 4 a.m. or whatever it may be. And then they, you know, take a picture of their alarm clock and then they go right back to sleep.

You know, it's like they're doing a lot of stuff for other people. But if everyone did speak about what they truly believed in one it would be people would be more transparent they wouldn't be a bunch of bullshitters but they probably wouldn't say like much of anything because they maybe just don't have a lot going on so a lot of the stuff they're fabricating and making up as they go to appear to be something that they're not or at least maybe something that they're not yet. That's what I picked up the most out of it. Because like I said, I mean,

I, I grew up like around people that just like, couldn't turn off the cool button. What I mean is like, ah, see, I said like, again,

like if a, if a chick pulled, like came around, they would talk about how much money they made. Like, do you still live at home? Like you don't make that much money. I know this for a fact uh i always reference the uh the poser that did an mma class

one time but always referenced how they train mma when i know for damn sure that they only did it one time what the fuck is an mma class you know so it's like i i just i don't know like being a poser i think is just such like a shitty thing to be. And you're just lying to try to impress other people instead of speaking what's actually true to you. It can be difficult sometimes in having conversation with people too. On this podcast, we end up having opportunities to talk to people that are pretty intellectual. And a lot of times they're people that know a ton about a particular subject matter. And a lot of times there are people that know a ton about a particular subject matter. So if somebody at just a casual family gathering brings up something about like nutrition or something along those lines, you know, you're bringing a blowtorch to something that is like it's completely unnecessary to utilize blowtorch. Like all you need to do is maybe just encourage or just listen.

A lot of times that's really what, especially if it's coming from a woman, I think. I don't know what women want, but I think they just want you to listen. They're frustrated. Your aunt, your sister, whoever is like, you know, I just can't lose weight. That is not a message that they want you to start giving them a speech about intermittent fasting. They want a spark, not a blowtorch. Yeah, exactly. They want like a little spark and you could say, hey, there's a couple people you could follow on Instagram that might be great for you to check out.

Maybe you check out Michaela Peterson. She's a woman that does kind of a carnivore style diet. Maybe you would find that to be empowering. You ever looked at Dr. Gabrielle Lyons? She has great information online. And kind of leave it up to them. And then they might come back around to you at some point and say, hey, I checked out Gabrielle Lyons' information on Instagram. That blew my mind. And it actually would have been really helpful and beneficial rather than you trying to get them bought in on your belief that you're trying to, I don't know, just spit to them because it does make you feel good that you have this knowledge and you feel like you

have to share it. You know, over the past few years that we've been doing the pod, the really cool thing is that I think, I think this for all of us, that we've all become more open because of the breadth of individuals that we've been able to talk to, because we've talked to people who have, for example, Louisa Nicola comes on the podcast recently. And when she's talking about marijuana, she's like, when I work my pro athletes, that's something that I say, no, don't do. But a few podcasts earlier when we're talking to Joel Jameson, also a coach of many professional athletes, and he's the HRV god when it comes to having popularized that, you mentioned that, within the fitness marketplace, he's like's like you know for some people

thc is actually super beneficial for their sleep and for some people it's not i do think it's interesting and i do like when i was listening to what luisa was saying i was thinking huh maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle and that's why i think it is so awesome first off what we're doing because we're we're getting all this fucking information and then we have to sift out what we believe to be true or closest to the right answer for each of us. But the thing is, the cool thing is that when it comes to a lot of this stuff, there are so many different answers. There are so many different ways of applying, which is why I'm also pumped that we don't say this is the right way to handle things in terms of your running or your lifting or muscle gain. Because there are so many people that are within this that are like, this is the best way to gain muscle. This is the best way to improve

your cardio. This is the best way for this. This is the best way for this. But as we've continued to learn, there's a lot of ways to go about it. And there's a weakness in pigeonholing yourself to one belief or what you believe is right. Because I know there wasn't much nuance in Jordan's clip. It's short. He did say, say what you believe. But I also know that Jordan Peterson is a guy who learns a ton. He changes his opinion probably all the time. Changes his beliefs. Changes his beliefs. That's a great thing to question. What are your beliefs? Why do you have them? Do you have them because mom and dad have them? Do you believe in God and do you believe in being Catholic just because

that's what you were born into? That's actually fine if that's what you want to believe in. You're like, this has worked really well for my family and I do believe in this and it makes me feel good. But I think it's also good to walk through some questions about it and say, hmm, I wonder about some other religions. I wonder about Judaism. I wonder about these other religions I hear about sometimes, Christianity. I wonder what the difference is. I wonder where did these things come from? So it's just – I think I've said many times – I've made so many mistakes with the things I've said over the years,

but probably one of the biggest mistakes I ever made was saying that I don't like science and that I don't like scientific stuff. But what I really am trying to illustrate or communicate about is sometimes I don't like studies. Sometimes I don't like scientific studies, but also sometimes I do. Sometimes they can be really effective, but everyone is a scientist or I think everyone should conduct themselves like a scientist. Here's my beliefs. And Seema, what do you think about these beliefs? This is what I believe helps make someone big and strong. You and I go back and forth. You're big and strong. We start to have a conversation about it.

And I go, wow, he just brought up three things that I was not even considering before. Oh man. Okay. So I'm going to go in. I got to give him credit. He mentioned three things that were really good.

But if you're research based, if you're research based, a lot of those guys and women, if you're research-based, a lot of those guys and women, and I think this is part of the reason why, I mean, even I've taken a different stance when it comes to research. Because when you apply certain things and you see that it works really well, but it's different from what the research says is ideal, what does that speak to as far as being science-based? Are you just going to follow the research says is ideal, what does that speak to as far as being science based? Are you just going to follow the research or are you going to follow what's practically

working? Yeah. What's practical? What's working? What's your definition of something working? I've tried that diet before. It doesn't work. Usually the word diet implies that you're trying to, a lot of times you're trying to lose weight. You're trying to get a desired – let's just say you're trying to get a desired result, lose or gain weight. And if you followed the diet, then most likely it's going to have a result where you could say, yeah, it kind of worked for me. Maybe it wasn't super powerful or whatever, but again, I think continuing to take your beliefs and see if they stand up to criticism and conjecture. And sometimes when we're spitting out words here on the podcast,

it's really nice to actually look some words up. Conjecture is a word I had to look up and it's a word that I have to look up a bunch still because I'm like, what does that actually mean? You know, or when someone says beliefs, I have to look it up. And then you might find yourself going down a rabbit hole. Like where did the word belief come from? Uh, you know, you, and, but learning these things, uh, can give you, uh, an advantage in your communication to where not only can you speak to people more clearly and explain things better to them, when they come out of your mouth for the second, third, fourth, seventh iteration that you're laying out, you will now become a material expert. And people will start to say, wow, that's wild, man. I did not know Andrew knew that much about podcast stuff.

I didn't know he knew that much about cameras and photography. Like, holy shit. But why do you know so much about it? A, you're interested in it. B, you've talked about it a lot over the years. C, you have tons of actual experience with it. D, you sought out other people that have knowledge. You had beliefs in the beginning. You took some of those beliefs. You threw them up against the wall. You

kind of saw what stuck. I mean, you're like, okay, those are a couple of beliefs that are pretty good. There could be a couple of beliefs that you had in the very beginning that have stood the test of time. You're like, I always knew, what is it, the Canon or whatever? It's definitely not. No, it's Fuji. Oh, Fuji. You're obsessed with Fuji and you think it's supremely better than all the other ones.

And that's kind of the sword that you're going to die on, right? But, you know, some of these things sometimes are also like just playful. But like, I've always liked the West Side method, you know, and I have found it to be super beneficial for me. Are there other ways of getting strong? Of course there are. Am I going to go out and discourage everybody and say, no, no, no, no. This is my belief. You have to do it this way. This is the way you have to do it. But what if I'm doing Westside for a while and Chad Wesley Smith tells me something different? I try something different and I have a result that is twice as good, that works twice as fast as the stuff from Westside. Well, maybe I start to adopt some of his beliefs.

And beliefs, I think the main thing here is that beliefs are temporary. Everything in life is temporary. Unfortunately, everything is temporary. Yourself, your person that you love and care about, your family dog, everything. I know. I know. It sucks, right? Everything is temporary.

Daisy's temporary. You know, there'll be a day where like that she's not around anymore it's gonna make the whole family sad but that's just reality and i think that we should fucking kill our beliefs like that should be our goal to kill our beliefs and if you keep trying to kill your beliefs but they keep standing up you're gonna be an expert in something as you're sharing information with people, it continues to stand up to criticism and conjecture over and over and over and over again. It's standing the test of time. It's something that's lasting through not just you, not just the thoughts that you have on it,

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realized, or maybe their, their views ended up being more nuanced than what you typically see them talk about when it comes to posting on social media. When you see them talk about it, usually when they talk about it, it's very exact of times. When you see them talk about it, usually when they talk about it, it's very exact. But then when we start to talk about it,

we start to question, how about this? How about this? Oh, maybe in this situation that can be useful. Maybe in this situation that dietary protocol can be useful. Like there's like...

It depends. And that's what a lot of this shit's coming down to. I'm actually curious with both of you guys, over the years of doing this more and more and more, how has your approach to, I guess, learning new things or intaking new information about whether it's exercise and nutrition or whatever, how has it changed? Because I have an inclination of what you're going to say. But I still – I see a lot of comments from individuals saying, oh, but this is tried and true. This is something that this has worked for a long time. Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel?

Why are you doing this new fad thing? That's one thing I see quite a bit. But how have you guys changed? Do you think you have changed? Do you think you've always been open? you think you've always been open i've definitely i've definitely have you know when i was younger uh i thought i i think i thought that i knew more i think i had to be that way for me yes i thought i knew more than i did and that was to protect me because i also went through a period of time where i thought it was dumb so then i had to be like i got this information and i'm

fucking smart and i'm going to share it with people I'm going to teach people how to get strong I'm going to become the people's coach and I'm going to feel smart I'm going to feel you know I'm going to work on feeling good about myself with the knowledge that I have rather than the opposite of that so I have been open-minded though because of the environment that I grew up in. My parents were super supportive and just very understanding. And I remember my mom would come to my room a lot at night and I don't remember the age that I was, but probably like 11, 12, you know, just kind of before you get to be like a weird teenager and don't want your parents around you anymore. Just kind of before you get to be like a weird teenager and don't want your parents around you anymore.

And she would just tell me like you can always come to me like with anything that you got. Anything that you need to share with me. So they were always so open that she would make it like crazy. She'd like, I don't know, you woke up and your foot is chopped off or something. You know, you make it funny so that the kid can kind of like, I don't know, think about the conversation or remember the conversation. Yeah. And, yeah, both my parents were, they were like reasonable. Like I remember my brother Mike, you know, he would really push that whole thing. He pushed their rules a lot and uh you know my dad would go to church on like sunday

and uh you know they're like oh my son steven you know he he had a great time with your son last night you know at the kiss concert and my dad's like the kiss concert devil music yeah my dad's like what are you like what are you talking about you know they were at study group and uh like no mike mike was in bed by 9 30 you know and uh so but my dad before he went and like raged about that and said yeah this is devil music and all that kind of stuff he had a conversation with my mom. He's like, Mike snuck out of the house last night. You know, um, we, there was no conversation. He just left the house. Um, we had no idea where he was. He was out until two or three and he came back and he, this is how he did it. Cause my dad, I think was figuring some of that out. And, uh, but my dad also did like

a little research on it. Like he like he he i don't think he knew like what group or what band i don't remember what band it was i just made that up that it was kiss but uh anyway the point is is my dad like did a little research before he brought up to my mom because my mom's super religious and she he wanted to make sure that she didn't like explode and want him to explode on mike And so my dad just went to Mike and he said, you're grounded. You know, you're grounded for a couple of weeks because I don't want you sneaking out of the house. And on top of that, please just come to us if you want to go to a concert because there's nothing wrong with you wanting to go to a concert.

You're 16 years old. I expect that you might want to do that. But Mike also liked, he liked toeing the line on that stuff. He probably got like a rush from it or whatever. But yeah, my parents were always open. And so even though they had their religious beliefs, they weren't like, you can't do this. You can't. We were allowed to watch whatever we wanted to watch. We were allowed to listen to whatever we wanted to listen to. Even though other people in our church were like, Metallica, you can't listen to that. Like that's devil worship or any of this metal music or rock music or whatever. And my dad, I remember my dad teaching me and telling me, he's like, it's the same old shit, Mark. He's like, you know, I had long hair. He's like, your grandfather went crazy that I had long hair.

Your dad had long hair? Yeah. Wow. He's like, I had long hair. He's like, your grandfather went crazy that I had long hair. Your dad had long hair. Yeah. Wow. He's like, I had like a mustache or whatever. And my, because my grandfather was like in the military, you know? And so all these beliefs, all these things that were, you know, anchored to from older generations, my dad just like lost those because he didn't feel that they had, they didn't really stand up. They didn't stand the test of time. So he thought they were not as important.

So I was brought up to be, I think, at least a little bit open-minded. How about you, Andrew? That's great. Just real quick on that. It makes me feel good because we had a, I mean, nowhere near the same situation of like my daughter going to a concert without us knowing. But like something happened and she didn't tell us. And we're like, why didn't you say anything? It anything it's like well i didn't want you to get mad or whatever it's like i actually wouldn't really care like you can be open with us like there's

no big deal there and then something else with what your what your dad said about like his dad and said in that thing so we were actually watching the movie greece you know old ass movie i don't know if you remember it in sima yeah okay just making sure just making sure just making sure yeah and that opening scene it's a cartoon of a teenager in his messy ass room and his like messy ass hair i was like i was like babe how how funny is it that like kids have always been kids she's like what do you mean i'm like this teenager i don't even know when the movie was made i'm like but look at this teenager in the 70s i was like he's the exact same thing as what we got going on today. And so it was just like, you know, stuff repeats itself all the time.

But in regards to learning, I call it a benefit now, but in the moment, maybe not so much. But I didn't really have much of a base to like have a belief on. So like if you bring someone in or if we brought someone in like Stan Efferding, I'm going to, like, oh, dude, I think the vertical diet is probably going to be the best diet for me. And then it's like, okay, what, I mean, it was fine, right? But, like, I had to experiment with a lot of the people that we had, you know, coming in with their information. I think also what I've noticed from you previously, and it's not there as much anymore, is you didn't have that much confidence in yourself and you would say like well i don't really know anything about that when you know just as much as us a lot of times on a lot of stuff i mean it's a byproduct of being on this podcast for so many years it's like if somebody does say something like um uh luisa had mentioned myostat and i'm

like fuck yeah i've been researching that shit for years trying to figure out how to get rid of mine. Cause she's like, have you guys heard? And like, yeah, definitely. I've read a lot about it. So it's, you know, again, having the confidence to say that because I have read about it. And so I wouldn't have done that if I wasn't for this podcast. But, um, yeah, taking in the information, I had to experiment with it cause I just didn't really have much to go off of. Um, when I first started training here, you know, what was I doing? I was powerlifting. Prior to that, I was just doing like push-pull bro sets and stuff. I came here, experienced powerlifting. I quickly learned that I wasn't that good at it because I wasn't very strong. But given the time, wasn't long enough to really understand if I was strong or not, but I did that. And then,

you know, eventually kind of, we started doing more like Metcon stuff and I was like, wow, I'm actually kind of okay at doing this stuff. Then we started doing bodybuilding stuff and I'm like, I really enjoy this. Like, so I just kind of started getting molded. So like every time a piece of information came that I liked, it kind of was like a layer on this like statue of like beliefs, if we want to call it that. And then more and more stuff would get added on like Doug Brignoli. And like, I still like that, but I do a lot of stuff that he wouldn't recommend I do like, like pushing and pulling the sled, doing go to stuff. He would be like, don't waste your time on any of that. But it's like, no, I mean, I have like, I'm not wasting my time. I'm going to do it because it helps improve my

body and helps improve everything. So again, you know, add another stack of beliefs on that. But then you start to question those beliefs like Mark said, and it's like, okay, well maybe there's nothing wrong with a bench press after all, you know, like maybe I can get under a bar every now and again, just to fill that stimulus on the body to, to, uh, help add the, um, uh, what's the, the, the stuff on in your, your, your bones, bone density. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like that. It's like that, that, that makes sense in my head. I'm not going to go research a paper. I think I'm just going to go do it and then see how I feel. I'm not going to go back to the days of like, Oh, I'm going to go, uh, you know, try to squat three plates. Like I'm going to do whatever it takes to get there. I'm not going to do that. But that's because, again, I've had to experiment with a little bit

of everything to build myself up. Look at the stuff that we've kind of, you know, discovered, you know, not like us personally discovered. Look at the things we've bumped into, you know, intermittent fasting, cold therapy, the sauna, you know, heat shock proteins, cold shock proteins. There's been so many things, right? And there's going to be blowback, right? It's going to go back the other way. The answer lies in the middle. And nobody wants to really hear that the answer lies in the middle, but the answer, it's kind of always in the middle.

What team are you on? You got to pick a side, Mark. Are you carnivore? Are you lifting, you know, to. What team are you on? You got to pick a side, Mark. Are you carnivore? Are you lifting to failure? Or are you power lifter? Like what – yeah, what – Fence-sitting pussy man. That's where I'm at in my life.

I'm apparently starting to look like a woman. Shit is falling apart for me. But I'm just trying to – I don't know. I'm trying to hang on over here, but it ain't working. Andrew, could you play that clip one more time? I hope we trying to, I don't know, I'm trying to hang on over here, but it ain't working on my thread. Andrew, could you play that clip one more time? I hope we have to find it.

You have to find it, because there's something I really want to hear. Okay, let me pull it. You're talking about the, the Jordan clip. I just want to add, oh, Jordan clip,

sorry. I want to add something. Your beliefs, like your belief in yourself, will change every single thing about your entire life. The more that you can believe in yourself and the stronger that your belief is in yourself of the things that you enjoy doing, it's going to be probably the most empowering thing that you'll ever explore.

be the most empowering thing that you'll ever explore to get to that spot you have to continually you have to continually tweak stuff and you have to continually kind of put stuff out there in the world to see if it stands up to those things so for me like making a product you make a product and you sell it online, you know, there's like a lot of sharks in the water, right? There's a, first of all, there's competition. Secondly, there's customers. Um, there's just like what people think, what people say, Oh my God, look at this fucking stupid rubber band that you wrap around your elbows. And there's tons of people that enjoy it. there's way more people that enjoy it that then make a negative uh comment about it um but my beliefs were strong enough to put a product out there and to take the heat for it and then you have people sometimes that

will come up and be like i thought of something similar just a couple years before you got that out i should you know and you're like come on dude what are you talking about, a couple of years before you got that out, I should, you know, and you're like, come on, dude, what are you talking about? But a lot of times people don't have the belief in themselves to put that thing out there. A lot of times people don't have that belief to, you know, be in class, like at a jujitsu class or a seminar and say, Hey, you know, actually at our school, we do this. And what do you think of that? Because they're scared of what could happen. But if you put your beliefs out there, the instructor might say, oh, my God, I've never, we actually, fuck, dude, I think, hey, do you guys think he has something here? And a whole class of 20 people,

30 people are like, damn it, I think he does have something, you know, but that's something that's an area that we weren't thinking of. It's an area where we were weak and now you acquired more knowledge and with more knowledge, you continue to believe in yourself more and more and more. I think it's huge. Andrew, play that clip again. Let me play this clip. Where'd it go?

Oh, there it is. Man, I love you guys, by the way. I fucking love you guys. Oh, man, you took a bunch of kratom. I didn't actually. This is a shroomless, not high, non-kratom and sema talking. That's lovely. Yeah.

Beautiful. Wait till Sam comes back. She's going to kick your ass your ass god i've been sexless i can't wait oh that's what's going on here i'm holding in all this nuts no fat january is created loving and sema giant load all everywhere it's gonna hit the ceiling for sure it's gonna hit the ceiling for sure play the fucking arm yourself with words be precise in your language right say what you mean read read great men and great women make yourself literate get your tongue in order

get it under your own control get rid of the ums and the likes and the you knows and the pauses. And get rid of everything you say that you only say to impress other people. And just see if you can say what you believe to be true. That's an adventure. All right, positive. So one thing that like, you know, he mentioned reading, which implies learning. And one thing that I think ends up happening is people can read and learn a lot of things, but when they don't actually go out and apply. And I think that's one thing that

has separated us in terms of how we do things is because we are learning, we're reading, we're talking to a lot of people with different ideas, but then we take those things and we apply. And we do get to see what is sticking for us. And there's some things that maybe it didn't stick for us, but it sticks for other people. But I think one aspect of that that is personally gives me confidence in many of the things I'm doing is because I have applied and I have seen a positive difference. of the things I'm doing is because I have applied and I have seen a positive difference. That positive difference scene will spit in the face of any study that I see somebody try to pull up on Instagram that goes against what I have been applying because I've been applying it rigorously and I've seen positive results. And within this, it's like there are so many people that put up

studies and say this study came out and said this, this study came out and said this. And although, again, I can understand that it's good to understand that, I think the weakness lies in the fact that, well, you haven't applied because a paper said this. You're dictating your progression by a paper. navigating your progression by a paper, you know? And that's one thing I think that will benefit a lot of people is as you're learning, learning, learning, that's where people get stuck in like the self-development rabbit hole, where they're buying the new self-development book, they're buying this new self-development book, when they all kind of say the same things, but when you're not applying it, you feel that you need more, right? Or you're going from program to program to program, but you haven't given yourself time to like get the benefits of doing something for a bit before switching, right? So one of the big differences, and I think I go into all of this because I think when I started the podcast or started coming on the podcast with you guys, there was a point that I felt really comfortable at my knowledge level.

or started coming on the podcast with you guys, there was a point that I felt really comfortable at my knowledge level. And it's not like I thought I knew it all or thought I knew a lot, but I was just like, I'm comfortable being able to go back and forth with anybody about anything. Yeah, I've read that.

I read that before. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. And although I still think like, even at that point, that was good. At this point in my mind, I'm not, I'm perfectly okay with saying like I don't know shit. That's literally how I go about things. I don't know shit.

I'm curious what are your thoughts on this or that. I'm open to hearing somebody's thought process and applying part of what they're saying to seeing if it actually sticks. Because even though I may know some shit, I think it's better to go in the mindset of I don't know shit, but I'm down to apply things and see what actually sticks rather than relying on other people and other people's research and other people's papers to say whether I should do something or not. Cador, when he came on the podcast, that was one thing that I loved about him because he's someone who was doing insane things with insane results.

We'll have him on again. We'll have him on again. We'll have him on again. And it spits in the face of what a lot of people tell people not to do. And also like one thing, again, it gives me confidence in applying is the fact that I will see people with their studies and the things that they say is ideal and this and that about stretching or anything else. And I will look at them and I'll just be like, but even though you're saying this, I would not want to move like you. You are stiff. You can't be mobile and be big at the same time. You can't do bodybuilding, like bodybuilding and jujitsu. You can't do them, right?

Oh man, that's a funny one. But I think we have a lot of people that are doing bodybuilding and jujitsu that it's like it's it's a lot of people are applying and it's working well right but there are people who'd be like oh that's not ideal that's not optimal so from everything that we've continued to learn i think the big thing is that we apply we don't really care about what somebody thinks in terms of like what the research says or what's been tried and true or what's been proven because there could be something that's super beneficial on the other side of actually doing because there's so many people that are talking talking a lot but not many people are actually applying and doing and seeing what actually is going to work for themselves and maybe maybe just maybe for other people.

Look at having Steven Pressfield around. What an amazing guy, right? What a great writer. It's easy to kind of get caught up in the fact that his writing is amazing. His books are amazing. He's written scripts that have turned – his writing is amazing. His books are amazing. He's written scripts that have turned into movies and so forth. But he's a doer. He's a big-time doer, and that's all his books are about pretty much is that getting out there and doing the thing, writing. There's no such thing as writer's block.

People are like, wait, no, no, no. I have tons of it. I get writer's block all the time like, wait, no, no, no. I have tons of it. I get writer's block all the time. Like, what do you know? Like, don't take that away from me. That's my, you know, I, I, I get stuck on stuff. And, uh, you know, he's like, don't, you know, one of the things I asked him at the end of the show, I'm like, have you ever found that something really stupid ends up, you know, working, like almost thinking like the up, you know, working like almost thinking like the opposite, you know, if we're thinking about like stuff for this show or whatever. And if we just think of like opposite ideas let's, let's talk to people that have been maybe in the past have been super

lazy and they didn't commit themselves to, you know, running or these disciplines or whatever. That's actually a good idea, right? It's like a pretty good idea. So if you start with opposites or you start with a kind of a dumbish belief or belief that's opposite of what you currently believe. Let's say that you think that fat people are lazy. What if you think about, well, maybe they're not. Maybe they're are lazy. Oof. What if you think about, well, maybe they're not lazy. Maybe they're actually really motivated in a lot of other areas of their life.

They just have a hard time applying it to that one spot. And then if you're to think, you start to walk yourself through and you're like, if I'm being honest, am I stuck and lazy in a lot of areas of my life? But I'm just not wearing it on my physical being. So other people don't have to see it. So I don't have to be embarrassed and be exposed by that every day. Fuck. Yeah. I got a lot of shortcomings. Andy will rattle them off to you guys. She'll whip out like a scroll, you know, we all do it, you know, everybody does. And so I think, you know, continuing to challenge these beliefs and to continue to push them out there in front of other people and have the confidence to be able to do that, have the confidence to be able to fail fast and also have the confidence to be able to know that your beliefs are temporary. Beliefs are temporary. Jordan Peterson, he mentioned something there at the end where he talked about how you're basically trying to find new beliefs. But he also mentioned something in there where he made it kind of seem temporary, that they're not absolutes, right?

We don't speak in absolutes. I've mentioned this before. You may want to try to end a lot of your sentences with a question mark rather than a period. You know, because then, hey, Encima, the best way to get strong is to do a five. Hey, Encima, the best way to get strong is to do a five by five. It's better than me saying, hey, Encima, the best way to get strong is to do a five by five. And you might be like, hmm, that's odd. Like I think Mark,

maybe you would want to mix it up a little bit rather than just doing five sets of five, like all the time or perpetuity. What are we talking about here? And that's why what we do. So like, I love that we get to do what we do because we get to ask questions and go back and forth and figure out

like where some of the best like benefit lies. But, you know, when you were talking about, I think kind of like when we get to apply a lot of things, right? And we get to kind of see what sticks. And one thing that I find so funny is like, for example, nasal breathing. We've talked about that so much. We've applied it for a long time and we've seen how beneficial it could, for example, nasal breathing. We've talked about that so much. We've applied it for a long time and we've seen how beneficial it could be for sleep, how beneficial it could be of developing that skill for exercise and your overall health just to stop breathing like that

through your mouth while you're sleeping or during the day. But I do, again, find it interesting when we do talk to certain people where it's like we've applied it. We have seen what it's like on the other side of taking the time to start focusing on doing things through here, breathing through here during sleep, maybe through exercise during the day, how much more beneficial it can be. We know what that feels like because we've taken the time to apply it. But when we have talked to some people who you can tell they haven't taken the time to maybe learn or see about it or maybe even apply it, some people have been like, Oh man,

it makes no difference. And in my head sometimes I'm like, but I can understand you're saying it makes no difference, but have you given it an actual try? It's probably frustrating. That's difficult. Exactly. There are so many things that

like i think one thing that we have gotten good at right is we've gotten good at not shutting something down just because it hasn't fallen into what we do or our personal belief system nasal breathing was so hard in the beginning it felt so difficult and i've heard people talk about people doing nasal breathing for marathons. I was like, that's completely absurd. Who would ever do that? But for most people, you know, not when you're running at like world record, you know, numbers. But for a lot of people, nasal breathing would be super ideal for half marathons and for marathons.

Over a period of time, you got to work your way into it. It's going to take a while. I ran 16 miles yesterday and the majority of it was nasal breathing. Nice. And a huge part of that was just so I can keep calming myself down. It's almost like if I look at my phone, my phone will tell me, you know, you're doing 13 minute miles or whatever. Without really looking at my phone, I kind of know without looking at it that I'm at

like a 13 minute mile pace because I can breathe really well. If I go down to about 11 minutes and I'm trying to do that for an extended period of time, it's going to be tough to maintain that nasal breathing. It's going to be tough to keep my heart rate in the zone that I want to keep it in. So these things that I thought were, I was like, that's, there's, there's, I don't even know if I believe that someone could do something like that. That sounds too intense. It sounds too crazy. Um, but I mean, there's a lot of beliefs that I'm changing. I went to run some hills yesterday and there's not a lot in Davis. It's very flat. We talked about this off air a little bit. Um, but there are, there are hills. You can find some, uh, I found, you know, some overpasses and they're not epic

hills. You know, I wish, I wish they were a little bigger for training purposes, but, uh, I found some and I ran over this overpass and then I ran back and I ran over the overpass and ran back like four sets of that and i'm like i'm gonna go to this other area because i know there's a hill there too i started running some of that and as i'm running it i got like goosebumps from head to toe and i'm like this is so fucking cool you know what i'm not maybe i'm not the typical runner but i'm like i think i have a fucking distinct advantage right here yeah i'm like my calves and hamstrings feel strong i feel really good right now and that 13 minute mile

pace that i was running turned into an 11 minute mile pace because when i see a hill i kind of take it as a challenge and i also have strength and power that's been developed over a long period of time from power lifting and I can like cultivate that when the hills hit. Whereas on the flat surface, I'm going to start to run too fast, quote unquote, too fast. And it's going to have a little bit more wear and tear on my body because of like body weight and stuff like that. But I've been able to, the reason why I got the goosebumps was I was like, this, okay okay this needs to be reinterpreted like I can fucking do this shit I'm gonna be really good at this it's gonna take me time

but I can get really good at this I I don't have any question that there'll be a time where I'm doing a marathon where I'm at like a 10 minute mile pace for the whole thing I don't know how long that's gonna take might take two years might take whole thing. I don't know how long that's going to take. It might take two years. It might take five more years. I don't know. But I know that I'm going to be able to get there. I can feel it.

And I wasn't close enough to be able to feel that or know that until yesterday when I was on this run, and it was really empowering. But how do I know any of this stuff unless I go out there and challenge my beliefs? You know, you're, you're not a runner. Well, I don't know. Let me see, you know, let me throw some punches and see if one lands. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll end up with a knockout. How do I know unless I'm trying? That's why he said, be precise with your language and specifically be precise with your language to yourself. We always talk about that shit, but don't say, oh, I'm not this, or I'm just

bad at this. If you think you're bad at something currently, that's cool. You might just be bad. I've always been a little clumsy. I've always been kind of unathletic. I've always been tight. I've always been hey, never mind all that for right now. That's all negative shit.

It has nothing to do with nothing. You're going to be able to do this hold. You're going to be able to perform this move. It's just going to take you some time. There's probably not ever been one person that's come through a jiu-jitsu class who's been like, oh, got it. It all looks like shit from everybody. I've had people over the years tell me, oh, dude, you'd be so good in strongman.

Like, no, I wouldn't. I don't know anything about a strong man. I'd be horrible. It's yes, there's some similarities there. But do you know how much technique and what a skill set it is to do stone, you know, load the stones and to lap the stones and all those things. Now I can learn it. And there's no reason for me to be negative once I'm trying to acquire that skillset. Um, but I'm not just going to randomly be good at it just because I dabbled in something that's kind of close to it. Yeah. I might have a, uh, I might, I might have a leg up on the next person, just like someone who wrestled might have a leg up on someone, uh, coming into a jujitsu, but it doesn up on someone uh coming into uh jiu-jitsu but it doesn't mean you're gonna be great at jiu-jitsu absolutely not no i was it's funny i was actually going back and watching some of your early jiu-jitsu footage and yeah i mean at white belt right so like this is when you were filming a lot of stuff back then and it just it's so funny because i was explaining that this morning after you left you know saying like i'm watching i can see like some mistakes he was making and it's really easy and i don't want

to act like i'm a expert at it but when you're watching somebody else probably kind of makes you feel good so what i was trying to explain his physical prowess right what i was trying to explain was like like oh he looked human like we're joking right because yeah i can see him comes in and he's just he's's fantastic at jiu-jitsu. Everybody knows this. But I was like, it was really cool to see that he was human back when he was a white belt. Joe was saying that you guys were talking back and forth and how you explained that when you were at blue belt, you were making the same mistakes as him. And that, dude, that gave him like so much like motivation to keep going even harder.

Because he's like, oh, okay, well, you know, again, if in SEMA is making these mistakes and I'm making these mistakes, then maybe on the right path. Um, but what I wanted to go back to was, I remember Jason Kalipa was in the gym and I don't remember what you were doing at the time. Maybe you were leaning out, whatever it was, but he was like, oh man, Mark, I think you should do a marathon. And you're like, nah think you should do a marathon and you're like no i don't know and you're like oh at least a half marathon and you're like ah he's invited me to run many times yeah and so it's just so cool to go from that to putting in the work you know getting those throwing those shots and uh now to where it's like wow you might have some really like

like really really good times. I ran 16 miles yesterday and 11 miles this morning. I was only supposed to run for 30 minutes, but I was like, I feel fucking awesome. I'm going to keep going. Well, you're only supposed to run for 30 minutes and you ended up running 11 miles. How long did that take? Do you remember? Yesterday it was like three and a half hours and today it was like two something.

Oh, my. Yeah. Dude, good for you, man. But I just, as I was running, I was like, I might as well like keep going because I do feel really good. I don't feel like I'm jeopardizing anything and I'm asking myself about the next day. I'm like, honestly, tomorrow is this going to actually fuck you up? Because if it is, you need to fucking stop. And I was like, nah, I don't think so i think i i know my body pretty good we you know i feel pretty

good and then i was like all right well you got to make a commitment that you will stop if something hurts or something's off because that's how you really hurt yourself is you have a little a little injury or a little something happens and then you just just, you know, you grid it out. But, yeah, I did what I did, and I was like, when I got to, like, mile five, I was like, I should just kind of keep cruising because it would be cool to do a marathon, you know, over the course of two days. And so I finished the run last night at 7.30 p.m. because I ran later in the day. And then I started the run today at like 8 a.m. or something like that. So the amount of time that went by is all done in like a 24-hour period, but also maybe even like a 16-hour period or something like that. So at some point, that'll all be smashed

together and I'll do it all in one day. Yeah. I'm curious what you guys think about this. This is something that I guess I do believe in when it comes to beliefs. You know, for me with photography, when I was a kid and I'd hold the camera and I'd take a picture, I would get all tingly inside because I'm like, I can't wait to see what this looks like. And I don't care who you are, if you're not a photographer, when you, you know, take that role and you get it developed and then you get to see the pictures later, it's always freaking exciting when you see the images that you captured. Didn't know what that was, but it just felt really cool to take pictures. And then, you know, fast forward to high school and we're like filming skate videos. I loved

putting those together. That was like my favorite thing ever. Fast forward a little bit more and it's like now I'm filming rap videos and you know having fun with that and so what happened was just like photography and videography just kept coming back around and every time it kept coming back around I loved it more and more. So I don't know if it's like the universe putting it in front of me but it's like it became undeniable and I couldn't ignore it anymore so I had to keep pursuing it. I feel like with whether it be running jujitsu, like jujitsu is another one. Like you're telling me about it almost every day. We have guest after guest telling like the benefits of jujitsu, me having my son and me wanting him to do jujitsu. And then another one of our close friends,

Charlie Zamora opens up his gym to like gym to me to do jujitsu. And it's like, okay, I can no longer ignore this. I'm going to have to do this. And now I love it. So it seems like a lot of these things, nasal breathing, we talked to Oxygen Advantage, forgetting his name, Patrick McEwen, James Nestor, and a bunch of other people that weren't specifically going to talk about that. We're not trying to create an echo chamber, but it kept coming up. And it's like, okay, well, I can't deny this anymore. And then we try it, and then now it just kind of becomes a part of our belief system.

So I think that, like, it kind of keeps coming around to where you can't deny it, but it just, it keeps working. I don't know, how do you, does that make sense? Like, when stuff keeps coming back around where, like, okay, I think I'm going to have to take a look at this. And then you take a look at it and like, damn, all these people were right. No, I think, I think that makes a lot of sense. Stuff that you're interested in, you're going to hang out doing it long enough to where you're going to stay after practice at jujitsu and someone's going to show you something new or different. And you're going to learn to kind of challenge those previous beliefs, the more interested you are in something,

the more likely you are to continually, hopefully the more likely you are to continue that process of being scientific about it. Not just following studies necessarily, but conducting your own studies all the time where you're putting things to the test. And seeing if things stand the test of time I think is really valuable. I mentioned this before.

Sometimes exercises in the gym, like we know exercises in the gym are kind of garbage for us but we keep going back to them for some reason and you keep hurting yourself. Just don't do them anymore. Like don't worry about like how to do it and stuff like that. If you've been training for a long time, you know, five plus years, and there's a couple exercises that every time you try them, you literally get hurt. You can look up more information on how to get better at them and things like that, where you can just chop them out. It's not, there's no way that they're that pivotal in your life that you absolutely have to learn them. Sometimes there is a skill set. There are things that you do need to learn.

And on the opposite end of that, the things that you know work, that have worked for a long time, let's say there's a particular, you know, some machines at the gym that you really like. But people are like, oh, machines, you know, free weights.

And that's how you get big. That's how you slap on muscle. If you know they work and you feel like you're getting more jacked from it i mean it's ridiculous sometimes on the show we have guests on the show and they're well-meaning people and they're super smart and they know a lot of great things but encema is fucking huge you know i i'm not that bad myself and we're trying to get this information from these people. And sometimes they're sharing stuff as if it's an absolute. And then we're able to kind of give them the skeptical hippo eyes.

And respectfully, we just move on and start talking about the next thing. Dude. Right? That's interesting that you think that. Anyways know okay so this is the thing this is the thing where like sometimes like in sema don't don't don't get dangerous with that shit because there are some people who are like well i'm bigger than you like it's not it's not that that's not what we're saying but it's like for example the breathing thing right i've applied it too much within jujitsu like sleep mouth tape i've applied it

too much and just seen how transformative it can be and i've seen other people like my boy josh sedilage when josh started nasal breathing years ago right and he was a former wrestler right doing jujitsu and then he started doing he's like holy shit i feel so calm josh does breath holds on the fucking salt bike yep and he has. Yep. And he has his team do that. He has his team do that shit. What the fuck? Like I, I, at this point,

like with somebody comes in and says, Oh, it's not that it doesn't make that big of a difference. I can't help, but just be like, sometimes you say this and I'm just like, fuck shit. But you don't know what I know.

And I don't, I, and it's not even saying that in a cocky manner. It's just, you haven't applied it. You just don't know yet. And it's not even worth having this conversation because you're going to discount it because we're saying it's anecdotal. And you're like, and I'm going to kill you and not even break a sweat. There's no reason for me to brag about it or talk about it, but I'm going to kill you. You're going to die. And I'm not even going to get sweaty from it. And you might even like it. And I'm not even going to get sweaty from it.

And you might even like it. But that's why I just think that the strength in when we bring these people on is just applying. I know there are so many people that like, even when I saw Gota stuff, there is this inkling where I did just, I was just like, what the fuck? To some of it. It looks so different. It does. But I applied some of it and I listened to their rationale and I could understand where they're coming from. But we still got some people like, I love my boy, but Zack Zalander is very anti-GODA currently.

I can understand why and where he comes from as far as his background. But there are some things that just be open to some of the ideas they're putting forward. It doesn't need to be everything, but there are certain aspects of what Goda is doing where I get it and I get where that's beneficial. Same thing with Joel Seidman because a lot of people like to shit on Joel Seidman, but there is a lot of good in what he's putting forward. You might not believe it all, but be open enough to just kind of try to take some of what he's saying and see how it could be beneficial for you or for other sport athletes. you or for other sport athletes, you know? So it can sometimes be difficult because there's a lot of different, you know, personalities on the internet and there's people that say really negative, harmful stuff about other people.

And you're just like, but then it does, it still doesn't mean that you can't learn something from that person. It doesn't mean that there's not good information resting within that. I don't know. Sometimes I'm just like, ah, you know, anyone with a negative vibe, just like don't follow them, don't watch their stuff. But the other side of me is like, eh, it's just another side, you know. I don't like the way that people act sometimes,

but my suggestion is to not allow the way someone acts to block you from learning because there's still a lot to learn there. And if you don't find any value in the person and you just think that they're negative, then choose to probably unfollow them would be a great idea. But if there's something that they say every once in a while,

you're like, I just think there's something I can take from that. It's kind of nice to be able to take those things and utilize those things. Paparazzi Family, how's it going? Now, a lot of you guys are lifters, athletes. You're serious about the gym, and we are too. And that's why we've been using Slingshot products for years, all right? You have the original Slingshot, obviously the glittery pink hip circle, which is my personal favorite. But if you don't like that, then you have the normal hip circle that's used to warm up the hips.

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I won't say specifically what he said, but Nadi Aguilar, I've messaged him before in the past asking him questions about something because he was really- I'd still love to have him on the show. He was really drilling about Ben Patrick. So I was curious on why he thought

a lot of that stuff was dangerous long term. He talks about people that we've been friends with for a long time, people that we've learned a lot about. And it can be frustrating. Yeah. He talks about them in a negative context. Yeah. He said something about somebody we know in a post and he referenced an injury they had. I'm just like, dude, like you, Nadia's doing a lot of cool stuff with functional patterns.

That is true. doing a lot of cool stuff with functional patterns. That is true. And like you said, just because someone might just act like an asshole, they still might have really good information. And I pay attention to his stuff. But there's the other side who's like,

why you gotta be so mean, dog? But I think I understand why he feels that he needs to be so mean because maybe he's just been trying to drill certain things in people's heads and they haven't been listening. Maybe they've been mean to him. Maybe they've been mean to him. So he feels justified in some way. Right. But it doesn't make anybody – it's just ugly. It's ugly. The only advice I have on something like that, if you find yourself feeling the need to rip apart other people, I think there's a lot of – I would just strongly suggest that you do your best to not do that.

Just put forward what you like and what you believe. You can, however, say, hey, I tried some of this other guy has this stuff that he does. I tried that for a few years. I didn't like it. It didn't work great for me. And then I started trying some of this other stuff and I found that to be beneficial. Maybe you guys will find it to be the same way, but you can't control the way that people act and the way that people are. And there's no reason to, again, just block that from, to have it block you from learning. It could be, there could be some things that are really valuable that you can learn from somebody. Absolutely.

And he has a lot of valuable stuff. It's true. Some people, you know, that's the thing though. Some people are automatically turned off because of, this is kind of mean. And it's unfortunate for them because they won't be able to like maybe glean some concepts that might be very useful for themselves and people they work with but he's got a lot of cool stuff over there at fp he said some stuff about like nutrition where he said um some of the effect of like this is just so dumb to even talk about he's like you basically just eat natural foods and and

you're good and you're, that's actually pretty valuable. Yeah, actually, it's extremely. Yeah, eat meat, vegetables, and fruit, some potatoes, some rice, and kind of stick within that. Eat X amount of protein per day, you know, a gram per pound of body weight-ish. That's super valuable information.

But that's like his dissertation on nutrition. And it could be more nuanced than that. I know that it kind of also isn't. Yeah. Because like that's kind of the end of the conversation. And I agree with him there. But I think ultimately what we're trying to do on this show and what I think a lot of people are trying to do, I think now he's doing the same thing. I think a lot of people are trying to get people to listen to you. You're trying to get people to actually listen and to take into consideration the information that you're putting forward. fucking best thing. If I do that with a lot of wasteful words, and that's the most I got from that Jordan Peterson clip, because when I watch somebody start to explain something, they start to walk you through the three things that you need to do to be healthier or stronger or whatever it might be on Instagram, I will notice a lot of words being said that aren't moving anything forward.

words being said that aren't moving anything forward. I'll have to find examples that we can put in other podcasts, but people will just talk about something being awesome or something being really good or being good for you. And to me, that's not strong enough explanatory knowledge. You know, we've talked before on this podcast of being able to go a couple questions deep. So a real example of that would be if Nsema is showing me some jujitsu, I would say, well, why wouldn't I do this? And he'd go, because this is going to happen.

And I'd go, oh, that didn't seem good. Well, why can't I do this? I think you mentioned it earlier, Andrew, the kind of dumb white belt, like, hey, what if someone does this? And he can give me really good examples, not just through talking, but physically where I'm like, oh, all those ideas were really bad. He showed me very quickly on why they weren't effective. Sometimes things aren't that black and white, but I think those are good ways of viewing things. aren't you know that black and white but i think those are good ways of viewing things yeah i'm just thinking about um when i seen some of the fp stuff i thought it was so stupid um you know and this is after i'm learning about like what's biomechanically like good for muscle building

and then i see him or maybe someone else rolling on the ground with the cable machine and then they like do a press or something i'm like that's so dumb but then now fast forward to today and i'm like damn i want that bar because i have some ideas that i want to do with it you know the i don't know what it's called but the one that not a bar or something like that yeah i'm like i want to hook that up to a cable machine because oh my gosh that's going to be so useful for jiu-jitsu because in that moment i was like how can i build the most muscle possible now i'm like how can i perform better on the mats so you? So I was being very close-minded at that time. And then you learn a little bit and you're like, damn, that's actually pretty sick.

But this is one thing here. You see, to be open enough to pay attention to things that he's doing, it's good because he's doing a lot of good stuff. But when you pay attention to people who are doing that, it almost becomes like this is the only way for them. And I mean that's cool. If you believe that what you're doing is the most ideal best way, that is your belief. But I think it's also dangerous to find something and be like, oh, yeah, this is the best. Because that is almost limiting and allowing you to find more answers elsewhere. That's the thing that we're always doing.

We are always finding new answers for us to build and get better. But then if we land on something, we're like, this is the only way. Then you're not getting better. You're only getting better within this one system. It stagnates you. It stalls you. That's how I felt when I was like just only focused on bodybuilding years ago and I was only focused on counting macros. I was like, I figured this out. This is it's so simple. There's nothing

else that needs to be done. You don't want to end up there. There's so many people that we see that are kind of like just maybe too tangled up in their beliefs. And we could be part of that. Like I'm willing to admit I could still be too tangled up in my beliefs to see that there's other great ideas, suggestions. There's other great things out there that could maybe help me even better. But I do my best. I feel like I do my best to try to be as open-minded as I can. And it's been transformative to me. I think it's been transformative to you and to you as well, Andrew. So I'd love for everybody to just give that a try, you know, give what Jordan

Peterson mentioned in this clip, give it a try, see if you can get the ands and ums and the likes, see if you can start to enhance your speech. And ultimately, you know, I've always been talking about like getting stronger or getting bigger, getting in better shape. These things, they're all just forms of personal development. It's all just a personal development rabbit hole. And that's really, I think, something I've been excited about and something I like to share with other people. It doesn't really have anything to do with the, I'm trying to get you to wake up at 4 a.m. It's more like, you know, with my children, it's very similar. I'm just trying to see if I can introduce or suggest something to them

that gives them a big spark. And then can I help kind of fan that spark like you would if you're trying to like build a fire trying to get some oxygen to it right so it can turn into this kind of smoldering flame because i would love to see everybody uh be able to have that flame of passion be able to have that thing that gets them up in the morning even though i ran 16 miles yesterday when i woke up today i'm like fuck yeah it's another day to go get it. Another day to get better. Like, let's go figure out how to get better for today. And I went out there and ran more.

So I think it's been really beneficial to me. And maybe you guys will find it beneficial. Andrew, take us on out of here, buddy. Sure thing. Yeah, for everything podcast related, head over to powerproject.live. Before I forget, yeah, this morning, same thing. I was so fired up to go to Owasa to go do jiu-j go do jujitsu go practice jujitsu i was up at 3 a.m like sitting there just like what do i do with morning wood yeah so i was like well i guess i

could do that yeah no there's a child in the way and And a dog. Nope. Nope. Dogs are caged up now. I couldn't take it anymore. I'm like, they're peeing all over the carpet. I'm like, we need to do something. They're old. They're old as fuck. Oh, yeah. And so it's like, they can't control it anymore.

So I'm like, oh, we got to do something. I was like, let's just put them in the kitchen where if they go to the bathroom, they can go on something easy to clean. Now we have those potty pads all over the place but poor little guys what i was getting at was i was so fired up to go to jujitsu and i didn't even matter what time the alarm clock was supposed to go off or the alarm bed i was up at three and then i was up at 3 30 i'm like fuck i'm getting up and i couldn't i couldn't wait to go it's an amazing feeling so everybody needs to find that and wake up first thing in the morning and fight.

Yeah. It's fun, man. It's so fun. That's pretty dope. Go fight in fancy robes. It's like, how are you doing today? Fuck you. Go ahead, throw a punch at me.

I fucking dare you. I'm going to kill you. You're half asleep. So good. Got your little jammies on. How are you doing? doing fuck you let's go thank you everybody for checking out this episode uh drop those comments down below let us know what you guys think about this conversation hit that like button and subscribe if you guys are not

subscribed already again powerproject.live for everything podcast related but follow the podcast at mb power project on instagram tiktok and twitter my instagram tiktok and twitter is at i am andrew z and sema where you at i didn't see me any on instagram and youtube i didn't see me any on tiktok and twitter discords down below mark what's your smelly tip man owen can you make an edit from this part right here and i just want to say thank you so much, Mr. Peterson, for being on the show today. Appreciate it. It's been a long time coming. And Seema is really pumped about it. Andrew, everyone here at Super Training Gym. So thank you, Mr. Peterson. Thank you so much for being on the show today. I've been a fan for forever. I've read 12 Rules and Beyond Order and I've

gone through self-authoring. So I'm going through self-authoring again. I'm not sure if you've done a lot of podcasts, but that was really well done if you've done much public speaking in the past. But you did a great job. You killed it today, Mr. Peterson. Thank you. Strength is never weakness. Weakness is never strength. I'm at Mark Smiley Bell.

Catch you guys later. Bye.