Mark Bell's Power Project - Mark Bell's Meathead Club House 03 - We Can't Talk About This On YouTube

Episode Date: March 18, 2021

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Check out enter promo code PowerProject for 25% off your order. And if your order is $99 more,, you get free two-day shipping. Huh? Sarms? Hmm? I've been getting a lot of Sarms questions lately. Sarms are the shit, man. Well, I think they're going to make a resurgence, because...

I think they are, too. Well, a lot of people didn't know about them first go, and we didn't even really know about them first go. Andrew did. Well, that was not even really first go. Andrew knew about it pretty good. Kind of the end of the first go. Did you hit the right button?

You got to talk to the guy about the thing. I want some SARMs. SARMs, SARMs, everywhere there's SARMs. You're gonna have to hit up this guy out in the Orient. Who? Named Tony Huge.

Tony Huge? He knows a lot about that shit. He knows a lot about everything. In a weird way. Well, he says that like MK six, seven, seven is better than growth hormone. I've heard other people say it doesn't do anything,

but I've heard other people say growth hormones do anything. What I hear about. And I don't think growth hormone does a whole lot. So I think what people use MK six, seven, seven four is like, if you're lean, which we've never had a problem with,

if you're like too lean and you'd use MK six,-677, it's real easy to eat a lot. It raises your appetite a lot, supposedly. A lot. Not as much as what people think, though, in my opinion. Or at least not as much as what like some of the forums. I don't know where these forums are, but wherever they are, they make it sound like you're going to eat your face off. So I think that SARMs are going to make a comeback because I think that they work. If you go back, if you go back and you look at it, I think they work.

Yeah. We'll go back and look at all the photos of me from maybe like two years ago. And I was in the best shape of my life by far. And I was just on SARMs. I was on better shape. Oh, great. I was in better shape on just SARMs. And I'm hearing this.

I'm hearing it. Andrew's thinking, he's over there thinking that you're all natty. No. I'm not all natty. That'd be ridiculous. The fuck are SARMs? Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators. Oh. I'm only a modulator.

Yeah, they... That sounds way better than steroids. Modulate. Let me see steroids. You modulate. Let me see if I can modulate these selective things. Yeah, selectively modulating, right? So you're selectively modulating the muscle only, supposedly, rather than, like, other tissue. Like your organs. You don't want your liver and your pancreas to grow when you take, you know, steroids. But that does happen.

Everything kind of grows. So SARMs are, like, supposed to be selective to your muscles and just make the muscles grow. But can also carry other dangers along with them. Like, we don't know a lot about them. Yeah. So, like, the way I've been able to, like, get people to understand it, if we can imagine, you know, like you just said, like other things grow other than muscles when you take steroids. So steroids is like swallowing. It's like pulling a pin on a steroid grenade, throwing it on your body.

It explodes. Your muscles get big. That's sick. But then some other things kind of grow with it. Whereas SARMs are supposed to be more like a sniper where it's just shooting just your muscles and making those big. So can we make SARMs just for your biceps? I mean, for your hamstrings, you know, you probably eventually could, you know, for your ass.

The one thing that we were talking about the other day on the podcast was CRISPR, where you can actually selectively edit genes. So not genes that you wear, but genes that are inside of you, you can selectively edit those. So if you could selectively edit them, could you selectively edit your biceps or are you just selectively editing muscle? I don't really know yet. But what if you're trying to get SARMs to like hit your, say like your glutes or something?

Like I think, I do think that like you'll hit me or something like that, right? It's supposed to be like a beta-2 agonist or whatever, so it's supposed to attach to some of the receptors that are, like, I guess in, like, lower back fat and in your, like, butt. That's how things get spread around on the Internet. It's like people come up with a good theory on paper. Like, if Yohimbi stimulates body fat below the belly button, so it can stimulate women to burn fat below the belly button.

Right. But it doesn't mean that if you take Yo-Hem-B and SARMs, that the SARMs are going to go to, like, your dick or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm sure Tony Hughes is figuring something out. Because I know he did, like, spot enhancements or whatever on that chick, trying to get her butt to get bigger. And did it work? I don't know. They say that you can't do that, right?

So he's trying to prove that maybe you can. Yeah. Oh, he's trying to inject SARMs into certain areas kind of thing. Yeah. At that time, who knows what he was injecting into her, but like he does have injectable SARMs. I'll tell you what, I've tried some of Tony Hughes' injectable SARMs and they do leave a lump under your skin. Like it's awful. So I took it, I did it twice and this is just stupid, right? Like this is what happens with steroids and SARMs and things

like that. So I did it twice and it balled up under my skin so bad and it hurt so bad for like a week that I, and then I did it again, just, Oh, maybe that was a mistake. And then after I did it twice, I gave it to my friend, Feil, who was just on the podcast. And I said, listen, this balled up under my skin really bad and it killed. He's like, I'll take it. And he immediately took it and started using it. And I said, did it ball up under your skin real bad? He goes, yeah, but I think it works.

I was way stronger. And so he continued to use it for like the remaining six weeks or whatever and those are just kind of some of the things that you run into with these illegal substances sometimes weird shit going on with SARMs so yeah I don't recommend the injectable kind at least that I tried I think it was

injectable ligandrol is what it was supposed to work better ligandrol yeah I love since Tony's like the one that's you know well allegedly making some of these like as far as like creating them you know he'll come up with like really interesting names so like injectable rad 140 is uh sarmbalone yeah i like the name yeah yeah that was great but that's That's hilarious. Dude, yeah, I mean, gotta have fun with it. I think it's, like, Tony Huge has come up with the idea to, like, make some of them injectable that were...

And so then they went ahead and made them into injectable formulas, I believe. Where is Tony Huge? How come he's not joining us right now? I sent him a text. He's all the way in Thailand right now, I believe. Who knows what time it is over there too. But depending on. Doesn't matter to him. I was going to say, yeah, it doesn't matter.

But also like maybe it does because he's with like a handful of chicks. You know, he's like the wolf from Pulp Fiction. Winston Wolf. Okay. You know, like that guy, like they call him, it's like eight o'clock in the morning and he's in a tuxedo at a party. I don't know if you ever noticed that, but in Pulp Fiction, when they call the wolf, it's like 830 in the morning and he's at a tuxedo at a party i don't know if you ever noticed that about in pulp fiction when they call the wolf it's like 8 30 in the morning and he's at a cocktail party in the valley like for no like for no reason and no one really notices it until you watch the movie 750 times like i did so i'm trying to hit people up but everybody has their damn notifications off

i don't want to text anybody people are smart yeah like i don't want to text anybody. People are smart. Yeah. Like, I don't want to be bothered by technology. But then they have every fucking app that you can think of, and they got all the streaming devices that you can think of. At me next time. So Matt Frazier was on Joe Rogan. Did you get a chance to hear him? Oh, shit.

Yeah, Matt Frazier. You know what was kind of crazy about it? Is he basically threw Glassman under the bus, and he threw Dave Castro right under the bus. I thought it was kind of great because I think, um, I think some of those people get too big for their britches over there. And I think, um,

you know, he basically said like Dave Castro said I was done, um, before he was actually done. Like he was on his fourth CrossFit thing and going into his fifth. And you could tell he kind of didn't want to name them. And Rogan's like, what's that guy's name?

And then he named them. And, um, but it felt like he kind of didn't, he kind of didn't want to name him and rogan's like what's that guy's name and then he named him and um but it felt like he kind of didn't you know didn't want to he's like even the guy in charge was screwing me and basically um you know he was saying that he only met greg glassman twice in the entire time he's been involved in crossfit and it wasn't like uh he said it was a toxic community over there. So hopefully they do get that stuff straightened out. Well, Matt Frazier is just a badass. And so there's a CrossFit documentary done. And they had this one guy came out of nowhere and started slaughtering everybody. And he was really competitive with Matt Frazier that particular year.

And Matt Frazier probably would have beat him anyway. But anyway, the guy got busted for steroids. I don't know what he's taking exactly. I don't remember if it was SARMs or what, what the deal was, but, uh,

Matt Frazier was just like really open about it. And he was like, and who knows what Matt Frazier does or doesn't do. Yeah. I don't know. Um, I only know, I only know Matt Frazier just a tiny bit. And I know his, uh, I know some people around him a little bit and that's about, that's

about the extent of that. But I just thought it was cool. Cause he was like, you know, Hey, like this is, this is the competition that we're in and you're not supposed to take that shit. And he's like, I don't, I don't have any time or value anybody that's, that's taken that stuff when we're in agreement that you're not supposed to take it in these competitions. Because he's like, I have friends in weightlifting, I have friends in other communities, he's

like, they might take stuff for particular reasons, but he's like, in this, this is the agreement that we're under, and so, you know, why would you fuck with that? And I just thought that was kind of cool, because I was like, it's rare that someone who's like the best ever says anything like that. And he's like, anyone can come test me at any time. And he's like, and I hope they do. And I thought that was kind of neat because it's like, well, he's trying to be transparent about it. And if you got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you be that way?

I hope somebody does too, though. I hope that when people say these things, like somebody can come test me at any time. I would love for somebody to throw down that gauntlet because I've heard other people say that, like our friend O'Hearn. You can come test me at any time. He said that to me. So I said to him one time, I'm going to show up one day and take you to the UCLA testing lab. Then he gave me 6,000 reasons why he wouldn't do that. And I that that like that's that's uh insincere you know like i love him but i think that that's like okay maybe something's going on and and i think that uh a lot of people say that oh they could test me anytime but then when it comes down to it would they would they really do it you know and just knowing the different people i know like in crossfit i mean

obviously there's going to be foul play there's always going to be people that are going to cheat the system. But even with me reaching some success in terms of strength, doing it the way that I had to do it with performance enhancing drugs, I also recognize that there are really talented people that work very hard. And it's possible for them to lift some of these. Like the weights that you see Matt Frazier lift and the capabilities of like a rich froning, like they're, they're pretty fucking out of this world. Like they're pretty unbelievable athletes.

It's hard to, it's hard to measure because it's CrossFit and it's not, you know, professional football. Like we don't have like a professional football has like a long, a long history of being around, you know, around, um, you know,

21, 15, nine or Fran or whatever these things are. It's all things that have been made up in the last couple of years. So we don't really know sometimes what they mean or what they are, but the way that these people are able to lift in these circumstances, uh, the way that they're able to test their bodies, you know,

in, in CrossFit competitions is fucking mind boggling. So it makes a lot of sense that people would speculate that there's going to be like drug abuse going on. And it's a hard for a lot of people to believe that people actually are natural, but I've been to the top of the mountain. Like I went to USC film school and when I'm at USC, we had one of the best football teams in the entire world.

And I know that there was guys that were on steroids and I know that there are guys that weren't on steroids and the guys that weren't on steroids were usually the guys that were the full scholarship guys. Right. And the guys that were on steroids were the guys that like barely squeaking by to get in there. And it was like the big, you know, offensive linemen that were that were using steroids. It wasn't the guy who ran the 4-2-40, you know, in practice. And there are some like really, really crazy natural freaks out there. And like, even what we did in powerlifting, I think if you look at the numbers that we had

in powerlifting, like over 600 pounds squat, completely drug free as a teenager, I did. And I did, you know, over, I think over like 450 bench or something as a teenager, completely natural, not on anything. So why couldn't somebody do these weights? You know, completely natural, not on anything. So why couldn't somebody do these weights? You know, and I'm, I'm basically partially handicapped. I've been, I've been grizzled forever since I was young. So, uh, why can't people do some of these amazing things? I think that some of these guys are natural, but it is really difficult to tell when you get in those upper leagues, because it's so hard. Well, and we've never seen CrossFit before, so we don't even know, like, we, we know how hard it would be for someone to deadlift 700 pounds.

Like, we can kind of speculate and say, okay, well, you know, I've handled this amount of weight this way, so I kind of know these certain things. But when it comes to CrossFit, you're like, I don't know. I've never seen anyone have to have this capacity on, like, a rower and have this capacity on, like, a bike and then have this capacity to be able to run, like, a 5K and also have the capacity to like a rower and have this capacity on like a bike and then have this capacity to be able to run like a 5k and also have the capacity to deadlift 600 pounds i don't know if that's out of the realm of human capability i don't know if that's like natural or not the argument about the goat has been going around lately like with tom brady you know one in the super bowl and then then there's been a further conversation about like who's the greatest athlete of all time?

And I would argue that some of these guys in CrossFit should be in that group, right? Like if you want to see like, who's the greatest athlete, it'd be like somebody in CrossFit or somebody who's maybe like a Navy SEAL who just won't quit. Yeah. Like somebody that won't quit,

that's going to be your best athlete overall. Like your GOAT's going to be, maybe it's David Goggins. Maybe it's just a guy that won't quit no matter what you throw at him, you know? Well, David Goggins would be, you know, something like that is a great example because he has such a high endurance capacity. But then David Goggins doesn't have any capacity to deadlift 600 pounds, I don't think, at the moment. I mean, he could train for it. We've seen the guy, you know, he could put his mind to just about anything. I don't say that out loud. Next thing you know, he'll be doing it. Well, yeah, he could put his mind to anything. And we've seen it, like David Goggins, he was a

power lifter, you know. But it's, you know, when you see these CrossFit people, they're able to do so many different things. It is really mind-boggling to see, like, someone be able to, like, it is really mind boggling to see like someone be able to, like, I think, uh, Brooke, um,

Brooke Wells doing a 425 pound deadlift after doing like a 5k run. She like nearly died doing the 5k run. And then they did a deadlift ladder and she was still able to beat everybody on the deadlift ladder after running that far. Just no one's ever really been asked to do any of those things. And Greg Glassman for all of his faults, he is the one that kind of pointed out, you show me someone that can run 600 or show me somebody that can run a six

minute mile. And I'll show you someone that can't run or show, show me someone that runs a six minute mile and I'll show you someone that can't squat 600 pounds and vice versa. And he had a good point because it's really, really rare to see somebody that can kind of do both. And I'm glad that he created what he created. I know the guy gets bashed all the time, but CrossFit's fucking awesome. Yeah. And one of, you know, one of the things that Matt Frazier was actually saying is one of the reasons why he feels like Greg Glassman kind of didn't

like him is he just felt like Greg Glassman doesn't actually like the games and he doesn't like the games because it's not what CrossFit was founded on. It's not what it's really all about. It's not about winning CrossFit games. It's about getting your average person off the couch, and I think that that's why he wasn't really fond of the games in general, I guess. Yeah. Well, I do hope I get the opportunity to interview Greg Glassman

because it would be interesting. I think it's really complicated you know to know like someone that's an innovator like that these people are sometimes just on a completely different level completely different mindset i know that he was like you know he it sucks because everything that he worked hard for he kind of threw out the window with a stupid tweet yeah and then now now it's kind of all gone. And this guy was going to fight big soda. Like he was going to be our,

he was going to be our guy that was going to fight against sugar. And he was going to fight against some of these companies. And I don't know if he was going to be the guy to do it, but it looked like he was starting to put up pretty good, pretty good argument. And keep in mind, he's a huge reason why low carb, keto,

paleo, all that shit. I mean, he was presenting uh he was presenting like rob wolf and people like that with lower carbohydrate style of of living like like a long ass time ago i don't even know if it was before rob wolf even came to those conclusions that he did but it seems like it seems like that was the kind of like where, like where it went. So, well,

it's a reason why CrossFit even has a nutritional component is because Greg Glassman wanted to like put it in there and he got guys like Rob Wolf to come speak to these people. And Rob Wolf was one of the original owners of a CrossFit gym. And so I think Rob was probably really instrumental in the beginning of putting that in as well. Right? Yes.

It's like just the history of the beginning of putting that in as well. Right. Yes. It's like just the history of the whole thing is really fascinating. I don't know. I need to listen to Joe Rogan because I haven't heard any of his shows in a while. You got to listen. He had a guy on that was amazing, a documentary filmmaker. It's in my world. Named Tiller Russell, who did the documentary The Night Stalker. Did you see that one?

Yeah, it's terrifying. Yeah, The Night Stalker. He did The Last Narc, which is on Amazon, which is an awesome movie. Who would want to make The Night Stalker? Like, what's wrong with that guy? Well, I believe, like, Netflix approached him. He made a movie called, well, he made Operation, he made The Seven Five, which is an awesome movie about police corruption.

It's about the 75th precinct in New York. And that's kind of like Cocaine Cowboys. It's like these cops bust into these drug dealers. They got like 40 grand in a duffel bag. And they're like, well, we could just leave this guy here and take his money. And nobody will know because he's not going to say anything because, you know, we're going to let him go. So we'll just take his money and nobody will know because he's not going to say anything because you know we're going to let him go so we'll just take his money or they would arrest the guy and then say they didn't find any money there and you know right the guy would be like hey there was 40 grand like we don't know you're talking about and all these cops made off with all this money and

stuff like that and that went on for years and years and so he made this documentary the seven five and i believe netflix saw that and then they hired him to make another movie called operation odessa, which is about stealing a submarine So I think like yeah, there's some really uh interesting people out there and what's amazing about that guy that I could relate to As a documentary filmmaker is uh, you know how the stories always find me like I didn't find kratom You know horseshoe called me up and said bro. You got to try kratom and after I tried kratom and kratom, you know, Horseshoe called me up and said, bro, you got to try Kratom. And after I tried Kratom and Kratom was awesome. Uh, somebody called me up and said, you need to try Ibogaine. I think it would heal you. Tony huge actually was the first guy to call me and said, I think Ibogaine can heal you. And I said, what do you mean heal me? And he said, I think it can fix your pain. He never even tried it, right? He never tried it. He still has never tried it. And he

still wants to try it, but he has really no idea what it actually does or if he actually needs it. But he does have a movie idea or something i don't want to do it always stems off of like somebody i met along the way is uh ibogaine i know that we so we talk a lot about like eating meat and the value of animals but there's there's some really cool shit with plants right i mean kratom is from a plant caffeine is is you know from a plant right like so what about uh what's up with ibogaine where does that come well to me the animals are the food and the plants are the medicine in a way um not 100 all the way full bore both ways um but i i feel like so ibogaine is a plant it's a tree bark come from uh africa from gabon africa and cameroon, where Francis Ngannou is from. And Ibogaine will knock

you out just like Francis Ngannou. It basically is a drug that you take. And in anywhere from like 36 to 72 hours, it'll basically like you go on a psychedelic trip that'll completely transform your life. And when I say transform your life, I mean, it'll take you out of pain. It'll take you out of depression. It'll get rid of anxiety. It'll get rid of traumatic things that have happened to you in the past. I did Ibogaine the day after our mother died and completely came to peace with what happened to her and who she was in this world and why she was so amazing and awesome. And I think I cried the entire way to Denver where it's legal, where I was going to do it. I think I cried the entire trip there because our mom just died the day before. And on the way back, I didn't, I didn't cry once.

And I feel like, um, it just helped me to come to peace with everything that happened. Um, and then also the very first time I did it was just simply for pain relief. And I was pain free for six months. But I also want to warn people that when you do things like this, you don't want to squander them. And I feel like I kind of did that. When I first did it, I did it and I was so excited that it worked and I was pain free that I just went ballistic for six months. Yeah. I just went crazy for six months training like a CrossFitter, you know, like instead of walking a mile the day after I walked five miles, you know, and then I walked eight miles and I was like, I was just going crazy because I felt good. And I only felt good for about six months because I started wearing my body back down

again. But the good news is I did it again. And it sort of refreshed that. Kind of reminds me of somebody that finds like a ketogenic diet and then you find keto foods and then you kind of end up in the same spot that you were in before. Cause you, you took this diet, you took these, uh, you had good, he had good intentions for a minute and then you just ended up in the same spot because now you're overeating again.

So you end up on my 600 pound keto life. Yeah. In your case, you're like, Hey man, I just hope. Yeah, yeah, exactly. In your case, you're like, hey, man, I just hope. Yeah, yeah, exactly. In your case, you're just hoping like, man, it'd be great to have like if my legs work better and if this didn't hurt all the time and then you are giving that back and it's like, all right, we'll be careful what you do with it. And then you take it way too far. Yeah, you're like Speedy Gonzalez running down the street and people like, yo, yo, you should probably slow down a little bit, you know, out of the gate. And you're like, nah, I'll be fine. And so I've, you know,

I've learned that. And I I've learned that, um, you know, more recently you've seen this, I've switched over to like bodybuilding. I just said, you know what, man, I'm 48 years old. There's no, nobody's going to give me a trophy or a medal for how much I lift. Nobody's going to care at the end of the day. So I will still lift heavy because I can and because I like to. And because we say that strength is never weakness and weakness is never a strength. And I do believe that how long we live, our strength is correlated with that as well. So I want to stay strong, but I don't need to be as strong as possible on every single lift all the time. So I just, like right now, I'm just continuing to deadlift.

When I get bored with continuing to deadlift, I'll go back to squatting heavy. When I get done with squatting heavy, maybe I'll throw in some heavy benches. But like, I'm just kind of keeping like one or two things relatively heavy, and then everything else is just bodybuilding to kind of heal the body. Well, it's important to have some challenges, right?

I mean, you can't just, you know't you can't go through life and and not have things be like difficult because if they're not difficult then you don't even really care that much to do them yeah i have one day a week where i'm like hey if we're just if we're just like hey let's you know walk three times a day it's like you know it's just not not hard enough not challenging enough so you need to have something in there that makes it difficult. But then it's hard because then you get excited and you want to, like, lift heavy. And then you lift heavy too often and then you're kind of grizzled again. Well, and I also found out, too, like, I'm training with our buddy Wayne right now.

And sometimes it's good to train with somebody who just has, like, all they have is desire. Like, that's all Wayne's got. Like, he doesn't have anything to teach me about lifting. He's funny obviously but all he really shows up with every day is a burning desire to get better and that's kind of doesn't have any basis for knowing how many reps or sets or anything he just yeah so he's gonna do whatever you did and so for me that's a way I can like I can bring it to a point where I'm challenging myself but like not too too much. And he's not going to make me push myself too hard, but he's going to know if we're not going hard enough. He's going to be, come on, I can't, you know, get nothing out of this. So I just, I go to a point where basically he's dying.

And then I just try to, I just try to up the weight a little bit more from him and, and kind of kill myself in the same way. What do you think is transformative about some of the psychedelics that you tried? Like what, what do they, what do they do? You mentioned like about how it can help with anxiety and help with sounds like stress and things like that. You talk all the time about perspective, you know, and it's, it's kind of funny because I help you with a lot of stuff and I'll hit you up and I'll say, yeah, that guy said he was swamped.

And you laugh. And you're like, I've never said that once in my life. And you're, you know, probably wealthier and more and busier than anybody that I know. But you never tell people that you're swamped because it's kind of just a lie usually to get out of something that you don't want to do. Right. Right. of just a lie usually to get out of something that you don't want to do. Right. Right. So it switches that perspective of being swamped to, uh, I'm really busy right now, but I'm going to make sure I make time for this Mark Bell. Like, I really want to be on your podcast or I really

want to be part of what you're doing, you know? So it switches perspective. And I think that that, if that's the only thing it does, it's kind of like the only thing it needs to do. Like, I remember there's a video of the ultimate warrior. He says, it's like, you know, it's six 15 in your world or whatever. It's like four o'clock in his world or I don't know.

And he's like, it's six, six 15 in your world by six 16, you could wake up and change your perspective and have a great day instead of having a crappy day. And I think that that's what it's about. It's like, it,

it shifts your perspective, but it does. So in a way, I know Hamilton Morris was just on Joe Rogan and he sent this, I sent you this clip because I thought it was really interesting. He said, Ibo game makes, and this is, yeah, this goes to your supplement company supplement companies called within you. And part of the reason why it's called within you is our mom used to tell us like everything we have is within us. I believe it comes even from the Wizard of Oz. Like Dorothy had everything within her. And Rosie used to tell us, like, come on, boys, everything's within you.

You have it all within you. You don't need things externally. And what Hamilton Morris said is like Ibogaine gives you this feeling that you know that everything that you need to be successful is within you. And now you have the access to use it, the ability to use it. I think that's like, it's kind of beautiful how it all goes together and how you named the supplement company without even knowing that it had any link to like Ibogaine or Iboga and something that helped me. But it really is an interesting thing that, you know, what we do need comes from like our inner self and

our inner being, but we just don't believe it enough. And if you believe it enough, which maybe Ibogaine just makes you do, just pushes you over that ledge a little bit to make you believe it. It gives you the, just this crazy power that you didn't have before. I'm dumb enough to believe anything. And I think that's what makes a lot of things really click and work well for me i think that i think that everyone has a divine ability everyone has divinity within them and i think that like you know the way that we traditionally learned about god and jesus and all these things like i don't necessarily believe in any of that any longer but i do believe that there is like because i don't think there's a god in that sense of what we the way that we were taught i don't believe in the the image that we

were taught but i understand maybe where it comes from but uh i believe more in that there's uh i guess maybe in like a buddhist almost uh environment that everything everything everything everything kind of works synergistically, you know, all the answers to the universe. They're probably inside of us already. The most complex thing that the planet or anything we'll ever see is probably human beings. And I think that even if we were, what makes us so weird is that we can't figure out how to like,

you can't really make a human being like out of out of nothing you know you can't like it would be really difficult for somebody to be able to make an organism that works or functions and then even to know why like why why when we wake up do we need to see the sun to have the circadian rhythm to fucking figure out how much melatonin to produce and how much insulin how much like if there's an actual like god then wouldn't like what why would we have such disparity like why would have such ups and downs why would have such why would human beings have such polarity like why wouldn't there always just be good right like? Like it doesn't really, so I kind of believe that things are kind of one with nature. And I actually really liked Joe Rogan's concept more recently about these

ideas. Did you hear him talking about that? How ideas, he says it on, he's on Lex Friedman's podcast and he says it. And he talked about his concept of ideas are, our ideas are like aliens and ideas are like things. And that if you're received, you can be a recipient of those ideas and of those things. And I think that's what I've been. I've been kind of searching around. You've been searching around for answers.

And you ask the university's questions. This is how these ideas come to you yeah they they like land on you and they fit into your soul print in some weird way that allows you to express you know it ends up being like perfect like where'd the slingshot come from yeah like i didn't really think of it as it's like fucking landed on me i think in weird ways uh searching for answers the answers land on you yeah so when i was doing a carnivore diet for example i was searching for answers, the answers land on you. So when I was doing a carnivore diet, for example, I was searching for answer. I'm like, what's better? There's got to be something better. And I found Piedmontese beef, but I didn't find it though. It like came to me, like I was in a

store and I'm like, what? Like, I just got to the point where I got so mad, like, what is this? And finally, like I looked it up and I'm like, oh, it's a low fat beef. This must taste horrible. And then I decided to buy it and try it. And it tasted awesome. And that's how I found it. Right. The way that I found Ibogaine was through Tony Huge hitting me up because he knew I was looking for answers. So I think like we need to let the universe know that we're looking for these answers. So you can't be a recipient of that if you're like Tony Huge. Like I. Yeah. And I can't talk to him he's about steroids and he's talking about ladyboys yeah but then you have to back up a minute and you gotta say hey look can is every human being is every human being have the capacity to be divine or have divinity

within them or even say fuck that if you don't if you think that's too much of a stretch. Does every person have the ability to give you some criticism that could eventually lead to it being really constructive criticism that could help propel you to some other aspect of your life, to be in doing something great? And everybody does, all the way from a fucking six-year-old kid all the way to someone that you know that's 90. Well, you kind of hit the nail on the head because you said constructive criticism,

but constructive criticism, but constructive criticism sometimes could even be something negative. It could be an insult, you know? Well, it's not actually negative. Well, it's not. No, I'm saying, but like somebody saying something to you that you think is negative. Yeah, you interpret it as negative, yeah.

Like, oh, Smelly, you're so weak. You can never be part of our group. And the next thing you know, you're benching 600 pounds. I'm going to be part of everybody's group everywhere yeah exactly and that's and that's how it goes it's because they they told you that you couldn't you know so even even that stuff is like in a way positive i think the uh the the probably the best description of what you guys are talking about was uh charlie rocket he basically said like you know you have to tune in to the right frequency to receive some of these things he's again if you have the dial

on the wrong channel like these are just gonna go right over your head and it's it's really it makes a lot of sense when he puts it that way and it's totally true you know you start you know like a blue Tesla like we usually see white or black Tesla's and then all of a sudden now it's like oh shit on my way home i saw a blue tesla it's like that wouldn't have happened unless i tuned it into that frequency because that blue tesla would have been there no matter what but you just would have looked right past it and not give a

fuck it's always when you notice something then you're like i notice that all the time now right like yeah see it everywhere yeah yeah because you're tuning in yeah you're kind of wishing it into existence. And then. But because you made it a thing, it's now a thing. And that's what's important to recognize also about something being negative. Like, oh, that's, you know, construct this constructive criticism. I can't believe that guy said that to me. Well, then you have to kind of back everything up and say, first of all, why do you care?

Like, who is this person that said this to you? Why are they in such high value? Maybe they shouldn't be. Maybe you should reevaluate that process. But maybe it is a brother or maybe it is someone that you care about. And maybe you are like, fuck, man, why did they say that to me? Then you might just say, well, maybe they actually love me. And maybe they didn't mean to hurt my feelings.

But it allows you to sort it out. And you're like, okay, well, now I actually love me and maybe they didn't mean to hurt my feelings. And then, but it allows you to sort it out and you're like, okay, well now I can make some sense of this and now I can figure out a way to move forward. Now I can figure out, because what you want to do is take all your interpretations in life and ultimately you want to have them, rather than being stoic about it, which I think can sometimes be a mistake, I think you want to take those interpretations and make them in your favor in whatever way you can, rather than just ignoring them or just being like, you know, I don't care about them. You want to figure out how to make them favorable, how to make them lean more towards the things that you want to do. Yeah, absolutely. You got it. You know, I think I learn a lot of stuff from you all the time, you know, just like observing you. And I think that another, that's like another thing people should look out for is like, if you're around somebody who's great,

somebody who's winning all the time, like I'm around you and I see you doing great things. And I just, I like to observe and just take away the things that I see that are like really positive, like the way that you treat your employees, the way that you act around certain people. And I like to take away those good traits. And then like, also though, observing other people, not necessarily you, but other people doing things wrong and taking those and throwing those out, taking the wrong things and throwing them away. And I think like you said something before about Greg Glassman, he said, "'Greg Glassman with all of his faults,' right?

"'We can take all of his faults and throw his faults aside "'and say, what did the guy do great for fitness "'and just like look at that and analyze that "'and just worry about that. "'Because the other stuff's just gonna make us angry. "'The other stuff's gonna make us angry towards him "'and what good does that do anybody else anybody? It's probably just a misunderstanding. So what I like to do is take the good things from people and boil them down and take the bad things

from people and just kind of, I tend to like throw them out. And I tend to like, also like lately, this has just been a huge thing of mine. And this is probably due to psychedelics, but I think everybody deserves, first of all, I don't think anybody deserves to be canceled. I think the cancel thing is ridiculous. But secondly, I think like everybody deserves for you to give them like a couple of shots. You know what I mean? Somebody says something stupid on Twitter. Oh yeah. You don't just shoot them down then, you know, um, even for example, Dave Asprey wrote on Twitter, macro nutrients are dumb and it caused a whole, you know, even for example, Dave Asprey wrote on Twitter, macronutrients are dumb. And it caused a whole, you know, array of different things.

And I don't care what people think about it, but it caused so many people to just go. Good for him. That's all I can think of. Yeah. Kind of like, kind of good for him. Good for you, Dave. Like, as much as like, I don't necessarily agree with that, but like, that's great. It caused such a flurry of like insults and you're an idiot

and that guy's laughing all the way to the bank so for the people that that call him an idiot what did he say again macronutrients are dumb that's great but it's kind of like you and i we joke science is stupid and people go crazy if we tweeted that but like we're kind of like the reason we mean it's stupid is like it's never settled and it never is the thing that is going to be ultimately Trump hard work you know Let's say you graduated from the University of Harvard And you have a fucking nutrition degree

You're probably going to be offended By that you're probably going to read that And be like no you can't You can't say how dare you say that But imagine if you told A six year old kid that macronutrients Are dumb they wouldn't even know whatrients are dumb, they wouldn't even know what you're talking about because they wouldn't be able to even interpret what you said.

And then if you said, well, hold on, let me explain to you what we're talking about. Okay. Human beings, you know, the people that are around us, we all made up these units of measure and here's how we actually measure these macronutrients. It's, we light these things on fire in a bomb kilometer or whatever the fucking thing's called Right and you start to actually explain it to a kid You could see how a kid would very easily go That sounds fucking dumb Right And just totally dismiss what you said

Because the kid could even be smart enough And keen enough to say Hey man why would you ever even Like maybe not a six year old kid but someone who's like ten And say hey why would you even worry about Figuring all that out? You're worried about energy, energy out, and what are you trying to do again? You're trying to make sure that you stay healthy?

Well, hold on a second. Let's back up. What's the most important thing to keep in a healthy body? Oh, to maintain your body weight. Maybe a scale is smarter than, maybe macronutrients are dumb. Yeah. Maybe we can just weigh ourselves

rather than fucking trying to figure out these macronutrients all the time. Yeah, and then on the flip side of it, if that's the way you figured out your diet, maybe they're not dumb to you. Maybe they're great. Yeah, maybe they're- Maybe it's the best thing that you ever learned about.

Maybe they're great, but literally that tweet is like a three second, you know, three word tweet that got people so mad. It got people like twisted up for days. You know, like, I mean, there's people probably still thinking about that tweet. Like, what am I going to write back? You know, it's like six days later, like, what am I going to write back? And it's like nothing, just calm down and accept it. And we, we know a lot, we know a lot of these people in the industry, you know, and for us to,

for us to be part of some of this stuff, but for not really, cause we're not, we're nothing. We're not, I'm, I'm not a fucking doctor. I don't think I'm anything really.

Well, we may, we're just having, we're going to have Kevin Bass on your podcast, right? So we're on Kevin Bass's list of quacks. I know, which is great.

I feel honored too, because like I'm a quack. Yeah, I'm not a doc. I've never kind of been a doctor. I didn't even know I was like. I didn't know I was quack worthy. Get on the story list. Yeah. So I'm glad to be on it.

Hey, Kevin Bass, you're on my fucking list too, buddy. What's his quack list? What is that? It's just like people that have said stuff on like Joe Rogan. That's like wrong and things like it's got like people that have said stuff on like joe rogan that's like wrong and things like it's gotta be yeah yeah it's it's it's a very like it makes tons of sense i've said tons of stupid shit and if you you know if you take even if you were to put context to it it still might be dumb you know i'm so i talk a lot so not everything I say is going to be like super intelligent.

Well, a lot of people try to say that the war on carbs is dumb, even like Joe Rogan. He he misinterpreted it and he said, my friend Chris Bell, he thinks carbs are bad. I've never once said carbs are bad on there. But I did say, you know, hey, some vegetables might not agree with you. You know, I have said, well, like when we were when we were kids, we had the Cold War, right? Yeah. Like we're at war with Russia. Like we hate it doesn't mean we hate russians right it has nothing to do with like sometimes where you're pointing the finger like where is this problem coming from why are people so fat yeah people are so fat and people are too fat because of processed foods all right well let's have you know let's have a war on drugs.

We tried to have a war on drugs. So we thought drugs were the enemy, right? But you can't really, it doesn't really work that way. The war on carbs, the whole thing is really just a joke because we realized that you, you can't wage war against something. You have to, you have to have a discipline that's strong, stronger connected to the results of what you're looking for, rather than to only fight against the enemy that you're trying to kill. If that makes any sense. Because if you're just, if it's just a war on carbs, if you're like saying, hey, we can't eat any carbs. No, that's not what the war is. The war is more like, hey, join with me. Let's eat a lot better. Let's eat.

Let's make better choices. Let's get rid of processed foods. And I want to show you how fucking good that feels. Now you tell me how often you want to eat carbs or how often you want to go off your diet. That's now up to you. So it's not really a war in that sense. But we're going to win the war by showing people this other way. I do think the war, like in my mind, the mentality of it is there's a war on carbs, right?

These, so carbs by themselves aren't necessarily the problem, but we know what the problem usually is for most people is carbs beget carbs. So when you eat carbs, you want more carbs. If, if I could do a war on carbs and regulate that to be like, you can't have more than 150 grams of carbs a day, we would still win that war. Like that would still be a valid, awesome war. But most people can't limit it to 150 grams. And we know that people go way over the amount of carbs and their calories get too high. Or we wouldn't need a war on carbs if there wasn't processed foods. Yeah. Like you wouldn't, because what would the carbs be? Like what did the carbs

used to be? All we had was vegetables and fucking fruit, right? And it takes 45 minutes to an hour to cook a starchy carb, like a potato or something. So you just wouldn't eat that very often. Like you might eat a starchy vegetable like once a day, but are you going to spend three hours a day cooking potatoes and stuff? Well, but are you going to spend three hours a day cooking, um, potatoes and stuff? Well, and if you eat a raw potato, it's a, uh, I mean, obviously you can microwave them or something, but for the most part, they take a while.

And if you eat an uncooked potato, it's a very fibrous vegetable basically. Yeah. And so it's, it's not going to have the same impact as if, you know, as if you mash it up and put butter on it and gravy on it and do all the different things that we do. And so we, like when we say war on carbs, we, we waged war against just something that got to be so ridiculous because we grew up going to like old country buffet and going to some of these fucking things that were just like an onslaught of, uh, and there's everything we went to every every easter every thanksgiving

every christmas uh it was game season everything was like bulk season it was like we would eat from the time we got to our grandparents house to the time we fucking went home and it was just it but it was just massive amounts of calories the whole day well the problem there too is you're throwing in meat along with it right So you're throwing in like fatty meats along with that. So your calories are just going to be cranked away. And how much, when you were a kid, how much meat did you remember getting your Thanksgiving dinner

when you were a kid? I'd be all stuffing and mashed potatoes. You didn't fucking touch the meat. Any meat. It was like 400 grams of carbs, basically, and then dessert. Yeah. And then like any meat, it was just like all ham yeah for me that's what it was because i would you know fuck with a turkey for like a second and then it's like let me get some more ham dry and gross and you're trying the dark the dark

meat too and you're like i think turkey's kind of over with i hope like should we get canceled yeah good yeah that's the only thing i'm for. Cancel culture is turkey. Anyway, when we have Kevin Bass on the show, we have Kevin Bass is here and Joel Green's here. That's crazy. Put them in a cage together against each other. Kevin Bass does jujitsu, so we got to watch out. We can't be too wise ass with him. He might throw us in a hold.

I'll pull it up because I know you didn't see it, Mark, but Joel Green posted a picture of him like flexing a little bit. He's fucking jacked. Kevin Bass is honestly like I'll go to Twitter and I go right to his I search for him because I want to see like what shit he's stirring up. Like, I love he's a researcher, you know, and I love it. Yeah, I think that that's important to know is that he's someone who's researching all the time and i think maybe oddly enough i think he gets misunderstood a lot because he's not i don't think he's really trying to say any one thing in particular i just i think he's just saying hey like a lot of this stuff is bullshit the vitamin d is bullshit uh omega-3s might be bullshit like he's not really necessarily saying that they're bullshit necessarily but but he's saying like, when it comes to the way that we're thinking that they're going to be

great, like supplementing vitamin D, like maybe that's not as good as we thought. You know, what's crazy with me is you can, you can hear so much of this stuff that you go backwards. So like I went, I was so against vitamin D in the beginning of COVID and everybody's telling vitamin D, vitamin D. I'm like, no, no, that's not the way to do it. You don't supplement vitamin D. And I, I kept going with it that it, that it wasn't helpful. And then I got so turned around by everybody saying to take vitamin D that I started taking it. And as soon as I started taking it, they're like, nope, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter. And I'm like, see, that's what I thought. And then see, here's my theory on it. When I started taking a lot of

vitamin D and Stan checked my blood levels, he was like, oh man, this is bad. And I said, what? He goes, you're taking a lot of vitamin D, aren't you? And I said, yeah. And he goes, well, you need to stop because your calcium levels are too high and that's bad for your heart. So what I'm wondering is, are a lot of people unnecessarily supplementing with vitamin D and causing calcium to raise and causing heart issues possibly? Well, there's vitamin D and there's also vitamin K, right? And I think they're important for them to come together

in a way that we take vitamins and minerals sometimes is through some unnatural means. Normally, I think you get like D, I obviously get vitamin D from the sun, but you get K2 and those things a lot of times from dairy products and we don't have whole raw dairy products the way that we used to. So now a lot of people avoid them completely. Yeah. People avoid them completely. People are trying to figure out different ways of getting in their diet nowadays. And it gets to be very complicated because like, you know, I think

it nowadays. And it gets to be very complicated because like, you know, I think when they, when you hear so much information about vitamin D, they're talking about these vitamin D levels that are in your body. And they're talking about, normally it appears that most people that are healthy have relatively healthy or high vitamin D levels. Whereas a lot of other people that are, or high vitamin D levels. Whereas a lot of other people that are, let's say they have sleep apnea, let's say they're pre-diabetic, they're overweight, oftentimes we'll see those people with lower vitamin D levels. But that doesn't mean that the person that's sick can take the vitamin D levels and all of a sudden have higher vitamin D show up in their blood because they're supplementing it. That doesn't necessarily kind of change anything. And same thing with the person that's already healthy, already has the healthy habits.

They can't necessarily, I don't believe you can necessarily take more vitamin D to really, really fix anything. I think it's your actions that are kind of pouring into that more. It's really interesting, though, when you go, when you listen to people who are doctors, who are experts, like, for example, Dr. Mark Gordon, he was on Joe Rogan and he was touting like, you have to take vitamin D, you have to take zinc, you have to take quercetin, you have to take all these things. That same doctor was the same doctor trying to push an HGH growth hormone spray on me

when I did bigger, stronger, faster. And we, you and I both know that's complete bullshit, right? It's complete horseshit what he's pushing. So just because these guys are on Joe Rogan's podcast or because they're, you know, big time people, uh, it doesn't mean that they're always right. And it doesn't mean that they're not selling a product because I guarantee if you go into that guy's office, he's selling you the vitamin D and a spray and he's selling you, you know, all these things as well. And we gotta watch out for that stuff.

Kevin Bass had a good comment the other day about nutrition just maybe not even be all that, just like how related is it to your overall health markers? And he just was saying that the reason why he brought it up is that it's so difficult for people to comply to it that the medications are still winning out i saw that was today right yeah maybe yesterday but it when we when we get frustrated and we say they and we say the pharmaceutical companies we say the doctors the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies are being proven

right all the time they're being encouraged to act the way that they act. They're being encouraged by our dollars, by the way that we vote with our money. There's 88 million people in America that are pre-diab those, you know, losing some of that mental acuity. You see it reinterpreted into different products. to different products. So like if you're a doctor and you're say a doctor who's on the pharmaceutical side, you'll take money from a pharmaceutical company in order to promote your product. But if you're not a, if you're not a doctor on the pharmaceutical side, you'll sell books, you'll sell dietary supplements, you'll sell other things to replace the bullshit that

the doctor's selling you, but you disguise it wrapped up in a nice box. It's like, Hey, this is a dietary supplement though. This is a, this is this, this is that, right? Everyone's making money off of it. Everybody's making money off of it. Yeah. So you know, the doctors who are like, well, why don't they just prescribe that we eat better? And it's like, well, cause you're selling, you're selling a book that says to eat better. So that's what you're selling. So like, that's why you're on that side. Right. So it's like, yeah, everybody is profiting off of it in their own way. And when doctors say like, why don't people, why don't, you know, one of the pharmaceutical companies tell people to eat better. Well, that's not the business that they're in. Right. You know, also like the other thing that's weird, they're trying to, they're trying to give a solution for right. Here's the biggest

disconnect. The doctors that say that you don't learn anything about nutrition in school are the same doctors selling nutrition books. So like I would buy a nutrition book from Lane Norton because that's he went to school for nutrition. But I'd much rather buy a book from Lane Norton than from Dr. Paul Saladino, because Lane Norton is actually like in the nutrition space. He's not in the psychology space, you know, and that's not even a knock on Paul. It's just that's just the truth is like I want I want people that study nutrition to get my nutritional information from. And that's why I started leaning more towards looking at Lane stuff and looking at Kevin Bass's kind of stuff rather than doctors who are just doctors that aren't nutrition experts. It gets to be really hard because then you get into, I mean, you know, we, we have doctors in different fields that sometimes are then talking about stuff that there's, they might not, that might not be the way they got their, their doctorate in, you know, like, thinking of just some other people that we know in this field. And then even thinking about, you know, like I, I would want to get more advice probably from Jay Cutler because he's like lived it.

And I know that Jay Cutler has taken like bodybuilding to an extreme and he's, you know, taking things to an extreme, but, or, or like Stan, Stan, I know Stan has a lot of certifications. Or like Stan. Stan, I know Stan has a lot of certifications. He's not technically, he's not a doctor. But I would put his information right up there with just about anybody. Even though he has not locked himself into going to school for that long. I also know that he knows a lot about like blood work, the human body, performance. But I would match his stuff up against anybody else. Because I think even a cardiologist isn't going to be able to really tell you how important it is to

take vitamin D because they don't really fucking know. Yeah. And I'm talking about the most well-meaning, the best guys in the world. They can only speculate on why they think this is happening and they can only speculate on why they think an artery gets calcified in a certain way. They don't really truly know. And no one ever really truly does.

Well, I think that goes along too with like what Charles Poliquin told us is like, you can't always wait around for the science. So like, while science is great, it's great to have to know the background of everything. You also can't wait around because if we waited around, we wouldn't have some of these world champions. They wouldn't have tried some of these training methods. They wouldn't have tried some of these training methods. They wouldn't have tried some of these drugs. They wouldn't have tried some of these food combinations had it not been for

some extreme coach or some extreme method. And then if we're just going based off of, you know, listening to doctors or listening to people that are, that have degrees in this kind of stuff, then we miss out on people like Joel Green. Cause Joel Green, like he just, like like I don't even know what Joel is. I tried to ask him after the show one day and he was like, I'm just a guy that has fun studying some of this stuff.

And then look how versed Ron Penna is. And Ron Penna is not he's not anything either. You know what I mean? In a sense. Well, usually the people that are really going to change the world, they're just really curious. What's Elon Musk, right? Yeah. Well, he just really curious. What's Elon Musk, right? Yeah. Well, he's really curious.

But he's nothing, right? He's not a doctor. He's not able to. I don't have any idea what kind of schooling he has. I don't have any. Some sort of engineer, I guess. Yeah, right? He's obviously fucking brilliant.

Yeah. Right? And yeah, he's just, he's curious. He's poking holes at stuff. And I think even thinking about like, uh you know other people that have been around that are am you know quote-unquote amateurs they're not they're not doctors or they're not professionals in a particular in a particular thing like charles darwin you know like how do you you're not going to get brilliance from from somebody that's actually always studying in the

field although sometimes that can be true as well sometimes you end up with like an albert einstein or somebody that's already already studying all these things and he happens to kind of be creative and fucking crazy intelligent kind of all wrapped into one and when he looks at a light pulling out from a train station he's able to somehow fucking come up with eagle e equals mc squared or whatever the fuck it is that he thought of from that. But it's just, so it's hard to tell like who, like who do you believe on, on what and where do we go? And that COVID thing is even a crazier discussion. Cause like you look at COVID and most of the people that are like sort of experts or given the most information on it or the most sexy information on it, aren't experts at all. People, I think people are not

scientists yeah i think people allow their emotions to get really uh into it and then you and like but if you kind of just if you just kind of like can back way the fuck up for a second and just say okay there is a virus right and we can all agree that there's some sort of virus going on, unless there's a giant scam going on that we don't know about. There's a virus. The virus has killed a certain percent of the population that's gotten it, and it hasn't killed another certain percent of the population that has gotten it, right? What are things that we can do against viruses? What are preventable things? Well, it appears that viruses are transmitted maybe through breathing, sneezing, maybe through the eyes, maybe through not keeping our hands washed and things like that. So maybe we can not be as close together. Maybe that would

be helpful. Maybe washing your hands might be helpful. And then know then we start getting into weird gray areas about like a mask and things like that and and but let's hypothetically just put that in there and say that the mask works well now we have you have like a body of information right that you can now kind of carry forward with and who the fuck knows what the science is always going to say about this or that. But I think a lot of times people allow their emotions to get in the way of that and they get so frustrated. And then you have people like, you know, wanting to fight and then you have people saying,

I can't believe this person's not wearing a mask. I can't believe that person's wearing, and you end up with like mass hysteria. But if we go back and just say, hey, let's look at the facts again, we have a virus that seems to be more harmful to people that are unhealthy, to people that are older. We have a virus that seems to be transmissible through not washing your hands, through getting too close to each other, and through potentially not wearing a mask. If you can always go back,

you can always dial it back and it doesn't have to be this crazy emotion. I think people, a lot of times, they take their emotion and the emotion is, it's got this kinetic energy to it as if it's like on the top of fucking like Mount Everest. But you can also be the same person

that takes that ball down from Mount Everest. So it doesn't roll down and have this giant fucking snowball effect. Just having it be on like a picnic table, just having it be like baseline, like, Oh, it's right here. And I'm not going to let it teeter totter one way or the other, regardless of what someone says. And you can, you can adopt that as like a discipline in your life to try to learn like,

Hey, don't let it really sway you one way or the other. It's hard, though. It's hard. Like, I actually watch you a lot. Like, you are pretty stoic about most things. And it's like hard not to get worked up and not to get your emotions and stuff, especially like when you do it every day. Like every day I'm looking for answers in the nutrition space. So I'll read something on Twitter.

I'll be like, this guy's totally wrong. I'm looking for answers in the nutrition space. So I'll read something on Twitter. I'll be like, this guy's totally wrong. And then it takes me like three hours to wind down from it and calm down from like what somebody said that I didn't even comment on, you know? Then if I comment on it, my anxiety gets even worse. So like, if you see like, it's all, it's all like what's going on in me has nothing to do, like Twitter's just there.

And if I just leave it alone, then it still will just be there. But if I give it, I give it the power to like control me. Right. And you're right. So like looking at those things and just saying, you know what, this guy said this,

but this isn't that big of a deal. I can process this and move on. That's probably the smartest thing to do. I think getting tied up in it is the worst thing we can do. And we tend to be all victims of that. Yeah. And I think maybe just trying to learn what kind of person you are, you know, and learning like whether you can handle

that because some people just do fine with it. Some people do totally fine with like consuming like a lot of garbage. Like I was telling Andrew earlier today, like Andy is she's the queen. Like she she can consume tons of fucking garbage every day but she's like garbage in garbage out garbage in garbage out like these these people this is not my life you know when she watches the bachelor she watches some like mindless fucking mind-numbing tv this is their life this isn't mine i don't really care this is kind of fun i'll have a couple laughs about it she'll she turns on like the dumbest fucking movies we're watching white chick the other day and she's you're totally canceled she's sitting there i know well it's a great movie but she's

sitting there she's laughing she's laughing her ass off the entire time for me i like i'm not going to sit down and like turn a lot of that stuff on because i'm because i i can't handle it very well if i if it's me in control of watching like garbage I'm like I'm wasting my time I'm wasting my time I'm wasting my time I'm wasting my time it builds up anxiety for me so my defense is to like just pretend that I don't have any clue which I really don't have any clue on how the television works so I don't even go near it I don't even touch it and I have to set up a lot of defense mechanisms like this throughout the day for myself so I don't get fucking

caught up in other people's bullshit. You gotta block yourself from everything? Cock block. You gotta block yourself from the kids? No, the kids. They get stuck doing what they're doing? No, the kids, well, the kids are the kids are awesome. They're always like, I don't know, they're always talking shit to each

other and different stuff like that. So, I mean, that's fun stuff. That's good stuff. Quinn's like, hey, let's go get ice cream.

I'm like, all right, let's go. We went to Nugget last night and bought $40 worth of nothing. I said, Quinn, we just went,

we just like, bought nothing. I was like, we didn't buy any, we didn't buy any food. Any like real calories? She's like, I bought some mangoes. I was like, aside didn't buy any food. Any like real calories? She's like, I bought some mangoes.

I was like, aside from the mangoes, we didn't buy anything. Like real mangoes she bought? What a weird kid. Well, she just looked at our cart and she was like, I think I need to balance it out. And so she got some fruit. Part of your balanced breakfast? Yeah, she wanted to balance it out. She's thin, so she can deal with it.

Have you guys noticed, I don't know, I'm always researching, trying to find some silly meme to post on Power Project Instagram and stuff. So I've been clicking in and out of different things. Smokey makes memes. Yeah, he makes great memes. He doesn't realize it, but that's like revolutionary new style. He makes memes like Rosemary used to. What's like where you put a little bubble over your head?

Oh, thought bubbles. Yeah. But I'm noticing that like I'm just going to say late teens, early 20 year olds are getting super duper upset when somebody doesn't wear a mask or somebody goes against the grain. And I'm just remembering when I was at that age anything against the grain was like that's all I wanted like I didn't like if you know if I was at that age these kids are getting mad that people aren't wearing a mask yeah getting really really like upset and like calling people murderers when they you know wear a mask under their nose and stuff but see there's in in either direction

getting worked up one way or the other is not good so like the person getting worked up that someone's not wearing a mask isn't great older people saying well who the fuck cares about whether you're wearing a mask or not that's not great either because they're both they're both swings from baseline you want to try to be more at baseline and And so you just mentioned random kids. We don't have any knowledge of who the fuck you're talking about. So why place a high value assignment? This is what we do all the time without even really thinking about it.

You place a high value assignment on these individuals that you just talked about. And then he and I can get all pissed off and we'd be like, that's the dumbest fucking thing I ever heard. Who are these fucking kids? What's wrong with kids today yeah we can get all but then maybe the mass of kids don't actually believe that that's very true and then also like maybe it's just like a misunderstanding and say i actually had somebody on my instagram a long time ago and they were like i don't believe with a lot of the stuff you say politically, but I thought that that was a really cool post.

And at first I got kind of offended for half a second and I thought about it more and I was like, you're 20 years younger than I am. So of course there's going to be a difference. Like that's just the way it is. My kids think way differently about the United States than I do. They're, they're seeing it through different lenses.

They have different, they got their own eyeballs. They're seeing it through different lenses. They have different, they've got their own eyeballs. They've got their own. Do I want them to see the United States the exact same way as I do? Fuck no. Right. I want them to interpret stuff the way that they want to interpret it and enjoy stuff the way. I want them to come to their decisions on their own.

You know, and I don't. But I think, you know, getting overhyped about anything political, you know, if you start getting, if you're on one side and you start getting all fired up, you need to just recognize like, oh, the people that I get mad at, I'm doing the same thing just in a different direction. Yeah. And I should probably chill because I'm really just trying to, like, you're trying more so than anything just to get your point across. That makes sense. Yeah. I just want to show you guys. We got fans.

I don't know. You know, but check this out. How the world imagines American babies crying. How American babies actually cry opening up Twitter. That's great. Again, just looking for me.

So, you know, you're talking about like the mask the mask thing um alex jones was on uh flagrant two podcasts the other day andrew really i guess and he was talking about that out he was talking about masks and he actually said that according to like a recent the most recent study of a most recent thing that this was funny. I thought wearing a mask is like banging a girl with a 5,000 mile wide vagina. He's like, that's, that's how small the particle is, is you. And, and the mask is the 5,000 mile wide vagina. He's like, that's how, that's how bad a mask is. It's stopping things from coming in. Like it's, it's that small compared to that big that's a big and i

don't know obviously it's alex jones who knows what you know but i heard him comparing it to that i thought it was funny that's fucking amazing but he was basically just saying like look there's no way a mask can stop any of this and i like again i haven't fact-checked that i don't know if that's true or not but um just going more on that mass controversy yeah no i love not fact checking and just going with it. Feelings over facts. Yeah. I like what Mark was saying though.

Like the second something makes you feel a certain way, like that's when you should probably be like, Nope, I'm out. Well, that's why I say I got to go fact check that. Cause I, right away I'm like,

Oh, that's a good point. And then, but I'm like, I don't know if it's true or not. That's good. Just write an ebook about it and it'll be true. Yeah.

Right. There you go. That's what a Kai Green did. Right. went on a vegan diet for four days and wrote the e-book oh is that what that was all about yeah i didn't know he went on it like real short term and in fact check it and then wrote a book i thought he like fucked a kumquat or something that was that was before that oh that was the first shot at the vegan diet it's like no you're not supposed to bang the fruit yeah you're not supposed to bang the fruit kumquats are tiny they're like kumquat sounds better for having sex with yeah i think the only one has seen the video is well i don't even know actually like i think it's in sema that's the only reason i know it exists

yeah i think yeah i think he has it saved well i, I had found this blog online, and I kept sending Mark pictures from it. Then I realized how bad it was that I was sending him pictures of, like, Cali muscle and a thong. I'm, like, sending it to Mark. Look what I found on this blog. Here's Lee Priest grabbing a guy's nipple. And I'm like, wait a second. Why am I sending this to Mark? Why am I on this blog all day?

Like, look at these schmoes. Oh my God. That was strange. And why did I subscribe? I'm into it for the art. Okay. That's it.

It got weird real fast. You can't make fun of that stuff anymore though. Well, I guess you can. Yeah. You can still make fun of whatever you want. I think. Okay.

Mark, you were saying that you need to teach more people to fucking chill out. That's all. That would be huge. Yeah. Mark, you were saying that you think... We just need to teach more people to fucking chill out. That's all. That would be huge. Yeah. But you were saying that you think Starman's going to make a resurgence. Why is that? I do.

I just think... I'd rather wait than never. I just think... Is it because summer's coming? Yes. Starman again. No, it's because we're going to start selling them. No, I think that they just work.

And I think that over a period of time, it will be sorted out on how well they work. But I think people are obsessed with being stronger. People are obsessed with being better built. And I just think the way stuff circulates around the internet and things like that, I think it will just become more popular again. I know it's kind of gone through a few phases of it getting popular and then it got banned and now it's kind of like in this weird... You've used both, right?

You've used testosterone and you've used SARMs. What did you have better results on? Putting you on the spot. I know, it's tough. So SARMs was in... The goal was to try to just get bigger, try to get stronger, uh, not faster. I didn't care.

I was just trying to get big and strong. And then testosterone was to shred down and get as lean as I could. Um, I, I enjoyed getting leaner way better than trying to get bigger. I was still really, really freaking strong after SARMs, but the reason why I think SARM again worked so well, because I had no previous experience with anything to figure out what still really, really freaking strong after SARMs. But the reason why I think SARMs were getting worked so well, because I had no previous experience with anything to figure out whether or not do SARMs work. So for me to say that testosterone was better or worse than SARMs. It's hard.

It's hard because there's still, in my opinion, a lot of overlap. There's still gains from the SARMs right before that. With all that in mind, my best lifts happened when I was on testosterone. My physique looked way better and I felt way better on testosterone versus on SARMs. Now, testosterone was a lot more invasive, you know, or is that the right word? Yeah. I had fucking pellets implanted in my hip. So barrier of entry, SARMs was way easier to do. It was a lot of fun.

You know, it was dope. But I mean, I felt way better on testosterone. Now that testosterone level was, we're going to find out, we're going to talk to somebody whether or not this was like a high level, but I was at like 12 something, whatever per da da da da. I guess your free testosterone is the most important part of it but i i just kind of think like for most people i think if their testosterone i mean it would i guess depend on other factors of how their mindset is and things like that i think for most people having a little bit higher testosterone levels would probably

be of value yeah only in a certain degree until you start coming back down that other side and you end up with negative side effects. I think testosterone levels, like, I think we still don't know a lot about them because if you look at people like Dr. Baker, they're really strong with a really low testosterone level. My testosterone naturally is always really, really low, like under 200 all the time, unless I'm taking testosterone. And I'm not I'm not taking it now. And I, you know, like I never notice a strength dip, like I never notice that I'm weaker.

So I don't know how much testosterone necessarily affects strength. It's really hard to tell. Like, there aren't really like a whole lot of studies out there that I know of. You can't you can't pick it out of a crowd. You can't be like, hey, that guy probably has high tests and that guy doesn't. It's really, it's really weird. Like, and again, like, I don't know either, but if I had to go by just photos, the photos I have when I was on just SARMs alone were the best shape I was ever in, in my entire life. And, um, and on testosterone, I don't feel that great because I have some health issues

that seem to spring up when I'm on testosterone personally. So I think, like Mark said, I think for some people, SARMs might, and like for me, I think SARMs offer a better, different solution than just being on testosterone all year round, but I don't know what that's doing to my test level, and I don't know what that's doing to me overall, so definitely need to look into it more before I use it more.

Yeah. Uh, what about SARMs in conjunction with testosterone? Have you ever? Yeah, I haven't done that yet. Um, what happens when I take testosterone, it's just so weird. And this hasn't really happened to a lot of other people, but my calves, like people know I have huge calves. They blow up with blood so much that I can't walk around the block. So when I take a shot of testosterone and I walk around the block, it feels like I'm going to explode. Yeah. And so I know a lot of other people don't have that problem. I told Dr. Baker about it and he's like, stop taking testosterone. Like that's all.

That's kind of, you know, one of those doctor answers. But I stop injecting it directly into your calf. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't doing that. And calf yeah first no i mean i wasn't doing that and i wasn't joking and i wasn't doing a really crazy amount so it's really hard to tell so i'll just have to uh yeah i have to monitor it further and see what's up yeah i would love to have like um you know uh like trt dose plus some sarms i think that's kind of because some of the adverse effects that I had from SARMs was

my testosterone had dropped. You know, it was, I don't even remember what it was, but like we're talking like 150 and then the free testosterone was like way low. This is how you end up in Tony Huge's world. Like this is what he does. He utilizes both. Yeah. But the thing is, like speaking of Tony Huge, it was like um he he would you know like oh

here's you know here's the uh the drug we'll say yeah and then here's the issue it's like no we'll put another one on top of that and then like well but that caused this issue over here and like no i got something else for that and it's like well like no i wanted to go the opposite way and that's when you know sarms issue and then I went testosterone and then I came off everything and I felt like shit. But, you know, made it out eventually. Maybe we'll try that next. Yeah. You know, it's so I'm somebody that has kind of dove all in in terms of like getting my own like blood work done.

And I can tell you guys, like, I think people are like, oh, you know, it'd be great to just get. I'd love to run all these tests and do all these things. I don't think it makes any difference. You know, Carl Lenore, Ron Penna, these are people I'm in contact with all the time. They do all kinds of studies and things on themselves and they try to figure out what's best. And Ron has come up with a couple of things that I think would actually help me quite a bit, like just doing some cardiovascular training, like three or four times a week. And, you know, those are things that I should, I should definitely just look into. I think genetically, I think we were, we're predisposed to like some cardiovascular issues anyway.

And then plus with all the amount of shit that I used over the years, but, you know, being somebody that has, you know, taken a shot of testosterone every day for a month just to fucking see what it would do to my strength levels and stuff when i was younger and then you know being someone who's had testosterone levels as high as 5 000 and just having them all over the place over the years and being someone that has squatted a thousand pounds and then done a bodybuilding show and i've kind of done a lot of different things in this space and in this realm. And my point is, is that even when you study it, and even when you pay a lot of attention to it,

it's still really fucking complicated. And for people that are thinking, people that are on the bubble, and they're not sure on whether they should do something or not, I would advise against really messing with anything until you at least feel like you're experiencing, that you're trying different diets, you're trying different workouts. You started going down that path and it feels like you are stuck, then you might want to look into some of these things. But normally what ends up happening is a lot of people will feel like they're stuck and they'll take steroids or they'll take SARMs. of people will feel like they're stuck and they'll take steroids or they'll take SARMs and a little bit does a little bit does kind of a lot of good actually usually in the beginning it will do a lot

for you but then people think that you're just going to keep taking more and more and that's where you can really run into that's where you can really run into some issues but in general I just think like a little bit of testosterone can go really, really far for a lot of people. Um, but you know, like I said, even after testing everything over the years and getting my own blood work done. And even more recently, I think I had like 20 different things drawn. It doesn't really get, it doesn't really give you anything that conclusive to still determine like what you should do next. Like, I don't have any idea what I should do next more so than you do or more so than you do. But do think it's just your your makeup you know like if um i'll just use myself if i at some point use similar protocols at similar ages it's tough because

obviously i'm not lifting the way you were but i mean i feel like you you your body handled it whereas maybe mine just probably would be like what the fuck dude like totally like shut down completely yeah yeah i think that's that's a huge part of it right we're all different yeah we're all way we're all way different yeah and then you know with like my experiments and stuff everyone was like oh you're gonna shut down your t you're not gonna be able to have kids and blah blah like well you know i have my son now right and i'm i'm alive still but yeah i think you're right you know it kind of didn't matter i freaked myself out looking out all my blood work i talked to mike mutzel about it he was just like no calm down you're gonna be fine i'm like am i though and he's like yeah you'll be fine. And I'm fine. Most of the people that take stuff because they shut down their testosterone, that's

to appease their wife. Like, yeah, I shut down my test, so I have to take it for the rest of my life. But like a lot of those people, do they know that they really have to take it for the rest of their life? Or is that just their excuse? I think that's a lot of times I think, to be honest, I think that's the excuse to the wife is like, well, I shut my levels down. They're like,'re like oh okay but do they know that they really need to take that the rest of their entire life and then like with the fertility thing too i i know unfortunately

it sucks you know it's heartbreaking you know some people that are trying to have babies and they can't and these are people that have never touched any kind of anabolic service like anything yeah there's people like that too yeah it's like they just you know they can't and i'm like okay so people that have like tony hughes and he's making babies and he's taking everything i'm like i'm saying yeah like that guy could probably just you know it doesn't matter we're all different yeah exactly yep or some people like that could be completely true and other people it's just like used as an excuse yeah definitely i need to get a lot on a lot more shit don't we all right i mean if the syringe isn't full it's empty yep do we can we please put that on a shirt or a hat if it's not full it's empty in front of the building how about

making an emoji yeah it's perfect it's so good it full. It's empty. Let's do it. And just me sitting on a syringe with the, you're off the team face. Yeah. Flexing. Yeah. I don't know if you can get away with that. We can do anything. We have our own printer. It's a big commitment.

It's a big commitment to load all that stuff into your body. Oh my gosh. But I think it, I think it's kind of worked out. I don't know. Maybe not. We'll never know, I guess. Maybe it'll all backfire maybe it's for nothing we're all different anyway let's get on out of here all right thank you everybody for hanging out with us there's a handful of people up on clubhouse we didn't get to anybody we're just kind of too busy talking to each other

but we really appreciate people paying attention what's up peeps yeah we got maddie we got michelle robert ozzy They're just hanging out, listening on in. Robert's listening? Yeah, dude, for reals, I know. I was like, what? I tried to keep a straight face. I couldn't hold it in.

I thought he was busy. He swamped. He swamped. He slammed it. Can't make it. Anyways, thank you, everybody, for tuning in. We sincerely appreciate it.

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