Mark Bell's Power Project - Mark Bell's Meathead Clubhouse Ep. 01 - Fasting Mimicking Diet

Episode Date: March 1, 2021

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But today I'm going to talk about the fasting mimicking diet. And I'll talk about that in a few minutes. I just wanted to first off start out by talking about, we've been working on planning a family vacation. and because of some of the restrictions and stuff, we were trying to think of like, what's something we can do that we really won't be very restricted. You know, what, is there a state we can go to? Is there somewhere we can go to? And so we're thinking of all these different things we can do. And Andy finds this like crazy, like boat trip type of thing that we can do. We could visit like the bahamas or we can visit

like the galapagos islands and you can go diving and uh this boat is like it's a yacht basically you are basically we would have been renting a yacht and uh oh i got some echo going on my bad i like it makes me sound more professional or more authoritative because you're in a hole yeah right uh but anyway yeah so andy was kind of looking at this and you rent this like yacht and it's very kind of elaborate thing and you go out for like a week or so um i don't necessarily love being on a boat and i like my biggest fear all the time is like being trapped somewhere and not being able to, I'm not a very good swimmer. So I'm immediately, I'm kind of like halfway panicked about it already. But at the same time, look, if it's for the kids and they're into it, then I'm all good with whatever they want to do.

Are you worried about like the hotel on water? Yeah. Type of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not a cruise. Like it's different than that. It would be private.

It would just be us. But it was this thing that was, uh, it was super expensive and stuff too. And so, um, as my wife's presenting it to the family and telling the kids about it, kids weren't having it, they weren't into it. You know, they were like, nah. And then Jake's like, that sounds too fancy and too expensive. And, uh, you know, he's not really into that. He doesn't want to, he doesn't want to be a rich kid, you know? And, uh, so anyway, we, uh, we moved off of that.

Andy was super frustrated cause she thought it'd be really cool. And, uh, I was like, you know what, just be patient and we'll talk to the kids and they'll figure out something that, uh, we can all do. That'll be fun. So anyway, I guess Quinn andinn and piper uh my nephew or niece rather uh they talked about um you know potentially going to redondo beach which we did a few years ago and we had the whole company come down and uh that was a lot of fun and so that's what we settled on that's what we're going to be doing so i'm super excited uh to be doing that i think sometime in april for like a spring break, uh, type of thing. And, uh, we love doing this kind of stuff because it brings our family, uh, closer together,

our families closer together. Um, my sister-in-law April, her husband, Andy, and, uh, it just, you know, it's ends up being great for us. And last night we were all hanging out and, um, we were just noticing like how well the kids get along. And, but, you know, I was thinking about it more and I'm like, well, this didn't just happen. Like all these things are practiced. Like family is even a practice, having a, uh, a ritual routines, um, uh, having a family history of showing examples to your children, showing examples of other people of how important family can be, I think is great. And so my kids and their kids have all seen the importance of family, uh, over the years. And it's been something that, um, you know, has paid off

big time because they all get along really well and they have built-in friends you know just by having family they end up with built-in friends and they're never short of some shit to do anyway i'm going to sidestep that and i'm going to move on to today's topic uh which is you know time restricted feeding aka fasting and mainly for today talking about the fasting that i'm doing right now which is called the fasting mimicking diet and in the fasting mimicking diet um it's a uh it's i don't know who created it or who came up with it necessarily but uh walter longo is the guy that has all the information on it and if you want to look him up i suggest you do so because it's great

to be loaded up with a lot of info. But the short of it is it's a five-day fast where you're mimicking fasting. It's a fasting mimicking diet. You're not actually not consuming any calories. So what I decided to do is to utilize some bulletproof coffee every day. Bulletproof coffee is coffee, butter, and MCT oil. And I'll be doing that two or three times a day. And there's no other source of food. Now, when it comes to specifically the fasting mimicking diet,

uh, there's a website called prolong.com and you can check that out. I think it's prolong.com or maybe prolonged diet or something, but the name of the company is called prolong and they actually sell fasting foods, which sounds like the ultimate gimmick, right? Because you're like, uh, are they going to send me a box of air? Um, and I've talked before on the show about wanting to open a fasting restaurant, but some of these things in the future might become a reality because we're learning the massive benefits of fasting. And beyond that, Walter Longo's, uh, studies have shown not only in mice, but also in human beings. He's tested human beings with this strategy of this five days on a fasting mimicking diet,

followed by two days of like a Mediterranean style diet. And he's just had outstanding results. and he's just had outstanding results. He's had people be able to knock back all kinds of different diseases that initially weren't really thought of as metabolic disease and they weren't initially maybe thought of as being so related to autoimmune disease.

But if you think about what fasting does is it kills off old cells and brings in new ones through a process called autophagy. Well, if you're getting rid of old cells, that would imply that we're getting rid of previously damaged cells from having an autoimmune disorder. I don't believe that I have an autoimmune disorder or anything like that. So that's not the main reason why I'm doing this. But hey, it doesn't hurt that a fasting protocol is anti-cancer. A fasting protocol can be something that can help kind of reset your glucose levels. It can be something that can help, you know, recalibrate your body to get you to where you want to be. And that's the exact reason why I'm doing it because I struggled so much with my sleep.

I'm like, you know what? I just need to take a deep dive into this. I've been putting it off forever. I have done a lot of things. People are like, get a sleep apnea machine. Have you ever tried zinc? You know, of course, we're talking to the people's coach over here. Like I've utilized a lot of these strategies.

Maybe there's some things that while I use those strategies that I may have missed, maybe I gave up too early on the sleep apnea machine. And then people are like, Oh, what kind of mask did you have? I've tried, you know, a bunch of different masks. Didn't have any luck. Um, it was something that I that I didn't adapt to well. And so therefore I didn't adopt it. I didn't implement it.

I didn't bring it into my life. But I also didn't know what to expect of it. Didn't know how long it took to have it work. Didn't do it under the supervision of a doctor. Things are different now. I have doctors in my corner. I have people in my corner that can help. So maybe that'll help. But a sleep apnea machine is not a fix for sleep apnea. It does treat the symptoms, but it doesn't get to the root cause of the problem.

I've had sleep apnea probably for a very long time. I just recently got diagnosed with mild sleep apnea after learning that I don't breathe 154 times for 10 seconds or more. The reason why that's considered mild and doesn't sound and it isn't like extreme is because people have way worse cases of sleep apnea. And most people that are taking these studies are people that are very unhealthy that are taking these at home sleep studies. But what I want to share with you today is that sleep apnea is not a byproduct of just being obese. And it's not a byproduct of just being jacked necessarily. There's a lot of speculation on what it might be, but there's some people that are starting to report and believe that it comes from the chewing of soft foods when we're young. Our jaw, therefore our airway doesn't develop the way that it comes from the chewing of soft foods when we're young.

Our jaw, therefore our airway doesn't develop the way that it should. And there's a lot of research that goes into this. Like a lot of that makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, think about it, you know, many, many years ago, if you hunted something, you know, and you got to some meat, you probably did carve it up pretty good. You probably had like a knife and different things like that, but you're probably pulling the meat off the bone. Like you would with something like a ribeye or something like that. And you're probably chewing the food's probably hard. Imagine eating raw meat. Like how hard would it be to eat raw meat?

You got to really, you got to really, uh, you know, chew hard on that and pull it off the bone. And so you're going to develop a more powerful jaw and therefore the bones and stuff like that are going to develop better. On top of eating soft processed foods, which are unhealthy for us, not only are we not chewing on things that are hard, we're no longer getting the same nutrients that we need. Vitamin K, vitamin D, these are all essential to how our bones form in the early stages of our life. And if we don't get those things, and we see a lot of children not being breastfed as much anymore and things of that nature. And so that's going to determine how the mouth and how the, just all of our apparatus for breathing is built. And so you can kind of see that over many, many generations

that we start to quote unquote soften up a bit and then it makes breathing more difficult. And when you go to sleep, your body's trying to relax. You don't really remember or know what's going on. So you can't be like, I'm going to concentrate on nasal breathing because you're out cold. You're just, you know, you're dead to the world, right? Mouth is wide open. You're drooling, you're breathing in and out of your mouth and potentially you're stopping breathing.

And we know that breathing in and out of the mouth is not the most ideal for relaxation, not the most ideal to get the best results from your sleep. And so anyway, through going through this process, it's my hope that by utilizing this fasting mimicking diet, I'm able to repair the brain and almost hit control alt delete and reset my whole body and maybe recalibrate my circadian rhythm. Could be a coincidence, but last night was the best night of sleep I've had in a long time. I did wake up twice to use the restroom, but most nights I wake up five or six times. The sleep study showed that I woke up eight times. And so I'm trying just to rid myself of that. And in the process, I also went to Los Angeles and got fitted for a mouthpiece by Dr. Gold, too, who's a dentist.

And I'm just looking forward to be able to shake this shit and leave these things in the past. But, you know, I've heard about the fasting mimicking diet. Cal Dietz shared some information with us about that when he was here. But I actually am a huge proponent of fasting. I love fasting, as weird as that sounds, because I love actually pigging out on food. And there's nothing better than getting done with a fast, an 18-hour fast or 20-hour fast, and then having a big-ass ribeye and be able to be able to pound that meat, so to speak, if you know what I mean. So that's what I'm doing. I'm on day two.

If you're going to try this and do this along with me, make sure you have some element with you or some other type of, uh, electrolytes. You need salt. It'd be a good idea to substitute at least 400 milligrams of magnesium every day. And keep in mind that I'm not having, I'm not like at zero calories, okay? Another thing to keep in mind is I am a person that has done fasting many times over. I've done many one-day fasts, I've done many two-day fasts, and I've done one three-day fast in the past, and I fast frequently 16 hours, 18 hours routinely, so I'm accustomed to it. So if you're not used to this and you're like, hey, I want to try what Mark's doing, you might want to just try something a little smaller to jump into in the beginning. smaller to jump into in the beginning. Did you ever, like in the past, like talking to numerous people about sleep and whatnot,

did anybody ever say anything similar or even remotely close to what Dr. Gold has been telling you? Because to me, it seems like it's pretty, not far out there, but like, it's very unique. I've never heard of, you know, a physician or a dentist, whoever you want to call it, never heard of you know a physician or a dentist whoever you want to call it talk about oh it's uh you should probably go you should probably fast for an expended period of time so that way you can fix your sleep like i didn't know they were even connected yeah and i don't know either uh it's all speculation by him but you know in you know my years of uh of researching all kinds of different things, I've learned that everything is speculation. You know, we don't really know. There's a lot of stuff that we really don't know. Makes sense.

It does sometimes seem that when it comes to science and sometimes when it comes to certain things with math, where you're like, that's pretty black and white. But when it comes to the human body, when it comes to human behavior, it's a real mess, and it's just anyone's best guess on what's going to help somebody react a specific way to something. And that's why our data with nutrition can be all over the map. It's really hard to tell what studies, even these studies that I'm referring to from Walter Longo, who knows exactly how they were done. I'm sure, you know, everyone's trying to have the stats and the numbers, uh, reflect something that they can

monetize or share with other people to, uh, progress their position. And why wouldn't you, you know? Uh, but for me, I'm not trying to necessarily progress anything other than just sharing information on something that I'm trying to fix a, solve a problem, uh, for myself. And if it works, I'll share that. If it doesn't work, I'll share that. Uh, I don't really have any, uh, money to be made on not eating. So we have about eight people in the room right now. What's up, everybody? What's going down?

Mark loves it for you guys to be a part of these conversations. So if you guys have any questions regarding fasting, that's kind of what we're focused on right now. Please raise your hand and we'll get you guys on air ASAP. Jesse Burdick in the room still? He bounced. He's like, oh, fasting, I know everything. I got a big old head. It's got so much information in here. But yeah, our boy Matthew Balcombe's back in the room still? He bounced. He's like, oh, fasting, I know everything. I got a big old head.

It's got so much information in here. Our boy Matthew Balcombe's back in the house. That's dope. I'll be seeing you on Wednesday. We'll be doing a markbell.com interview with Jesse Burdick. Actually, Josh and I are just going to pin him down and just ask him a bunch of questions

regarding coaching, regarding your guys' relationship. That'll be cool. Again, that's markwell.com. But that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother platform. It is. And, you know, when it comes to fasting in general, I'll just, you know,

talk a little bit more about some regular style of fasting. And as Andrew pointed out, if you guys got a question, please raise your hands. But I talk about fasting quite a bit in the War on Carbs book. And maybe an easier way sometimes to look at fasting, because sometimes it gets confusing.

Like, I don't know if that was 16 hours or 14. You get confused. But it's easier. It's my experience in life. It's easier to deal with smaller numbers. So you might want to just have a time-restricted window, time-restricted feeding, and say, I'm going to eat. And you're not eating continuously for five hours, but you have a five hour eating window,

which in my opinion, gives you plenty of time to get in the caloric demands that you need all the micro and macro nutrients that you need. You may feel differently. You might need a bigger window. And there's a lot of great results that people have had, uh, having an eating window that's about 10 hours. So it's up to you on what you want to try and what you want to do. But having some fasting in your life, I think is really, really important. And just, it just gives you, it gives you a rule. It gives you a nice concrete black and white rule of like,

I just don't eat during those hours. It doesn't mean that you don't ever eat during those hours. It just means for the most part. And it means that you, you're following some sort of guidelines or schedule. And if we're to think about one of the biggest problems with people on any particular diet, it's decision-making. People have a really hard time making good decisions because their cravings

and their hunger are overriding it. Well, what does fasting do? Fasting can help kill your hunger. I know it sounds weird, but it can help kind of almost, uh, it can almost burn out some of these, uh, hormones that you release, uh, for hunger and just have you be more comfortable with it. You know, you're just, your body's more used to it. You're like, yep, I'm used to that sensation. I'm not going to die. There's a huge difference between fasting and starving. So I'm not talking about starving. Starving is dangerous. Fasting can be done very, very safely. And you know when you're going to eat approximately, you know And you know when you're going to eat, approximately. You know when the next time you're going to get food is. And you can monitor how you

feel every single day. But let's just try to, you know, make sure we're not confusing the two things. Starving is when you're in the middle of nowhere and you can't eat anything and you really feel fearful that you'll never get another meal. That's different than what we have going on here. All right, Mike, you got a question? Let's see what you got there, buddy. Okay, so as he's getting loaded. Hey, what's going on, man? Not too much, not too much.

Yeah, just a quick question with respect to the fasting. Been looking into what Joel Green talks about in terms of amplified fasting, and there's some certain compounds you can get to mimic the effects of fasting or indeed amplify them. I think he mentions berberine and a few other supplements of that nature. Do you guys look into that at all, or have you considered that approach, Mark or Andrew? I have not tried some of those things, but you know, Joel's a good friend of mine, so I'll hit him up during this fast and see if there's a couple of things I can implement. You know, during, during this time period, I have some berberine laying around at home, so I can throw some of that into the mix.

You know, I think one of the cool things about the fasting mimicking diet in particular is that we just don't know that much about it yet. It appears to be really, really effective. And in some studies, when it's been done in comparison to intermittent fasting and when it's been compared to ketogenic style diets, it appears to be safer than a regular fast and appears to have better effects than what a ketogenic style diet has. And I think there was actually a comparison they made of, uh, of one, uh, week of doing, um, this type of fasting versus doing six months of keto. And it had, it had a more

profound effect in doing the, uh, the seven days of, uh, of this style of fasting. So I, I don't know what their markers were to kind of show that kind of progress, but, um, you know, those are things that catch my attention and I'm like, wow, okay. Um, maybe this is something I should give a little attention to and why not just go and do it. And so here I am, you know, in the middle of doing it and seeing what it can do. And I'll share with everybody, you know, what it does and doesn't do. But, uh, yeah, the, the fact that you can eat while fasting is really weird, but there are certain foods and certain supplements. It appears that you can take to not only assist with the fast, but to make the fast safer and to make the fast work better.

I know that Dave Ashby talks about that as well, consuming things like prebiotics. I think the point in me having the butter and the MCT oil is to simply produce ketones. I want to produce ketones at this time because ketones, or I want to encourage my body to produce ketones. They would produce them anyway, but I want to encourage my body to produce ketones because they're anti-catabolic and they're also anti-cancer and they just have a large number of benefits. And it's also my understanding that when we start to run off our own body fat, so you'll start to run off your ketones, your body will make ketones,

your brain will run off the ketones as well. But it's also my understanding that when we start to release body fat, we got a lot of health benefits from that as well. And so there's still a lot to be studied and a lot to kind of examine and look at. And I think the more people that do these style of diets or give these things a go, we're going to continue to learn more and more about them. So yeah, thank you for your question. I appreciate it.

Thank you, Mark. Yeah. Do you remember when keto and everything started kind of getting really, really popular, how there was tons of those ketone supplements that were flooding the market that were promising instant ketosis and whatnot? you know instant ketosis and whatnot so i'm not i'm surprised that there isn't more of the uh like the keto i mean the uh fast mimicking type stuff like take this shot and you're it'll be like you fasted for 16 hours so that is coming next there's actually so there's actually pharmaceuticals i believe that can mimic fasting and i think that in some weird way,

I want to say maybe berberine does do that. And metformin, I think, does that. These are like nutrient partitioning products that I don't know enough about to really say for sure, but they do seem to maybe in some way mimic fasting. But I guess they're supposed to have some stuff in the future where, and when I say future, I'm not talking about like 20 years. I'm talking about like around the corner. They'll have stuff where, you know, we could have, you know, maybe 1200 calories or a thousand calories in a day. And it might appear that we're, it might appear like our body is fasting, like to our body,

it might just seem like we're fasting. And that's where you end up with, uh, you know, Dave Asprey selling, you know, millions upon millions of cups of coffee with butter and MCT oil in them because, uh, while it, it's kind of encouraging fasting and it's also encouraging, uh, some of the production of ketones. Got it. So for the audience here on Clubhouse, maybe they're just stumbling upon or stumbling into this room. Don't know too much about Mark Bell. Don't know too much about fasting period. What are like maybe some preparation, preparation H, some preparations they can, you know, they can take or that they can do before going into a fast. Like maybe this is their first time like, okay, let me try a 16-hour fast, even though

they've done it before, but purposefully doing a 16-hour fast. How can they set up a fast to be successful? So let's say that you typically sleep or you're at rest for about eight hours a night. That's pretty common. People sleep for about eight hours. So let's just give you that eight hours. So there's eight hours right there of fasting. Okay. Let's eat, um, no later than two hours prior to bed. Now we're at 10 hours and let's push our breakfast out about two hours in the morning. So instead of eating at like 8am, let's eat at like 10 a.m. Well, now, just by doing that, we bumped it up to we're at 12 hours.

If you wanted to go to 14 hours, you can maybe go three hours before bed and push your breakfast back three hours or whatever is more convenient for you. But that's where I would start. I would start with something really, really minor. would start with something really, really minor. Um, get that pulse of hunger and shut the hunger and shut the hunger down by just ignoring it. And then wait till you get another pulse of hunger and then eat, you know, you can even just do it that way. You don't have to even really look at the clock much. Um, but I think that would be a great, a great place for a lot of people to start. Perfect. So if you guys are listening right now, if you have any questions for Mark regarding fasting or I guess any nutrition stuff would be okay today, but if you do just please go ahead and raise your hand. Mark would love to get you

on air to answer some of those questions. So I guess the next thing would be going from a fasted state, heading into maybe your first meal, maybe a little bit more advice for somebody doing that for the first time because that can also kind of mess people up yeah when you're coming out of your fast you might want to have some bone broth you might want to have uh you know two to four hard boiled eggs um maybe even just maybe even just, maybe even just a couple of eggs cooked. It really won't make a difference, but, um, you don't want to have a big meal. You want to have some protein and fat because as we talked about many times, you can end up with that second meal effect. So you're going to have some protein and fat and then 30 minutes later, you're going to

eat your meal. So even if you just got home from work, take a minute to make up a protein shake with some olive oil in it or have anything that's got like a one-to-one fat ratio. And it's just a modest meal. It's like maybe 20 grams of protein in it or something. Maybe anywhere between 10 and 20 grams of fat would suffice and you're good to go. Have that little preload meal because it's going to help you manage the calories that are in meal number two. And there's a lot of science behind that. And in addition to that,

um, in addition to that, you're just going to want to, um, you know, just make sure that like when you go back to eating, that it's not just like, uh,

just slow, slow yourself down a little bit, you know, just try to make sure you're when you go back to eating that it's not just like uh just slow yourself down a little bit you know just try to make sure you're not uh you know coming in too hot with that but that helps a lot one thing i want to also mention is it what i put in the war on carbs book you can get it on amazon or markbellslingshot.com um and i wrote about this many many years ago but i'm a huge proponent of fasting in and fasting out of meals. So if you, let's say that you know, you know, on the 25th of this month, you're going out with some friends and you're going to drink and you're going to eat like an asshole. Well, if you know that going in, let's fast into that. Let's go with an 18 hour fast. Let's do what we want to do with our buddies.

Let's eat the food that we want to eat. You know, you go to a fancy restaurant, you get drunk, and then you end up eating pizza or In-N-Out burger later that night, right? Everyone kind of knows those kind of nights. We've all had those. When you know that a situation like that might be coming up, you're going to a wedding, a party, whatever it might be, let's prep for it with a little bit of fasting and let's use that second meal effect too. Let's get that protein shake in, that protein fat meal that can help really change how your body handles the glucose, how your body handles the surge of calories that you're about to eat. So we can utilize that strategy and then let's fast back out of it. So as soon as you're done with some of the shenanigans that you,

uh, did that day or that night, uh, now that's the start of your fast. And that's actually been kind of motivating for me. I don't like to stop eating at night. I like to eat all the way up until I go to bed. But what's been helpful

is to be like, nope, that's my, you know, I have a time restricted feeding. I eat between these hours and these hours and that's over. And as soon as my meal is done, that's as soon as my fast starts. So I kind of look at it that way. I'm like, oh shit, I'm, I'm four hours into my fast. I haven't gone to bed yet. Like it's going to be easy to go 12 hours today. It's gonna be easy to go 16 hours today. So, um, I really liked that a lot. And then, as I mentioned earlier with fasting, uh, you know, pulling a lot of decision-making skills away from people is really important. Cool. We got our boy, Maddie, Matthew Balcom has a question for us. What's up, man? We'll get him rolling up in here. What's up, dude? There you go. How's it going, fellas? What's up, man?

Not too bad. I had a question. I recently, since the pandemic started, started playing with Kratom to kind of handle my anxiety and whatnot, but one thing I noticed is that it actually kind of has like a satiation effect for me, so I find that combination of carnivore plus Kratom, I have to be careful. I have to make sure I'm taking in enough calories so I'm not losing my muscle mass. So I'm wondering if you've had any, have you done any, like, you've done, like, the ketone testing and stuff. I got to see if kratom affects the fast itself, because am I just feeling like I'm fasting, or is there something weird going on there? You know, I've had many people report that MindBullet, my product over here that has kratom,

it's 100% kratom, basically, that it assists with fasting, and product over here that has Kratom, it's 100% Kratom basically, that it assists with fasting. And I've noticed that myself. I have a brother-in-law who lost about 40 pounds or maybe even 60 pounds and has kept it off successfully. And anytime he utilizes intermittent fasting, he utilizes Kratom. I know N SEMA does a lot of fasting, um, and he likes taking it for that, you know, for part of that reason as well. I think it's just something like Kratom puts you in a good mood. So there's some things that are undeniable, you know, that happen in this world. There's like, there's nothing better than not just being in a good mood, but there's nothing better than being in a great mood. And it's very hard to explain Kratom to people because they're like, why do I have to use an electronic check?

And like, I don't understand. Look, man, I don't know why that is. It's a great fucking product. The government has a stick up their ass about it. They don't want people to use natural products that they can't monetize. And so we end up in this weird position with some fuckery going on here. You should be able to get your hands on Kratom. It should be readily available.

It knocks the shit out of CBD. I don't care what anybody says. CBD is only effective when it has THC in it, which is basically just, you might as well just smoke a joint at that point. Yeah, you get high from it. But you do get high from Kratom as well. I'm not afraid to admit that. but Kratom has tremendous benefits.

I have never personally noticed anything from CBD, and I've rubbed it on my body. I've taken it down my throat, up my ass, every which way you can think of, and I haven't felt anything from it. And a lot of other supplements have been that way, where I don't really notice anything from them, except for caffeine and except for, you know, some pre-workouts I've taken in the past and some Kratom. So I think Kratom has a tremendous impact on your fasting. And I should maybe look into figuring out how to get some studies done in that way. You know, get some studies done in that way.

You know, get some, you know, outsource them to somebody else. So it doesn't seem like I'm just doing it to make money. But it would be interesting because I've heard so many people report that. Have you actually tested to see, though, if you're in ketosis while on Kratom? I'm just wondering, is it affecting ketosis when you're on it? while on Kratom? I'm just wondering, is it affecting ketosis when you're on it? You know, I don't have any reason to believe that it would have any negative impact on ketone production or ketosis since it doesn't have, there's nothing in there that should spike your insulin levels.

I mean, it is a plant, so it shouldn't have any negative side effects on that. I personally have never looked at it in that way, but I am going to put on a continued glucose monitor pretty soon. And so I can kind of examine that. For me personally, I don't really think that ketosis matters that much. I do think that you do want your body to produce some ketones, uh, from time to time. And I do think it's helpful, uh, just to make sure your body is like healthy and things like that. I think it's an important practice that your body, uh, starts to make some ketones here and there through either a having a low carbohydrate diet or,

uh, B, uh, by, by, uh, utilizing some fasting. Um,

but you know, in, in doing keto style diets for a long time and peeing on the strips and, uh, testing my blood and doing all these different things. I never found that, uh, ketosis really mattered much.

Like I didn't notice like, Oh shit, I'm getting way leaner. Oh, yep. I peed purple again on the stick. You know, I have not noticed a correlation like that, uh, ever before. In fact, most of the time when I bend my leanest, at least according to the P strip, uh, it wasn't really registering anything. Those strips and some of those types of tests, uh, where you prick the finger and check your ketones and stuff, those can be helpful because they can be kind of motivational

because you're like, hey man, at least I know I'm not eating any carbs because you can't really eat a lot of carbs and be producing high amounts of ketones. So, yeah, I have not personally tested myself on it but that would be interesting to see if there's any impact there. But I have no reason to believe there wouldn't be. Yeah, the reason I was asking is because I was skeptical on it. And then when the pandemic hit, I have a small business. So there was lots of bad shit going on there for small business.

And I was just having massive panic attacks. And I talked to your brother, Chris, on Instagram. He's like, if you just try, try Kratom. And I did. And it was like within 15 15 minutes I took a couple grams the first time now I take about 4.5 grams I can't get mind bolt in Canada unfortunately so it's a powdery kind tastes horrible within 15 minutes like that that crippling anxiety and fear just completely gone I feel kind of like a warm hug I guess is the way to put it and I'm just like I'm completely normal I'm happy nothing bothers me anymore so I figured that there might be some kind of like a warm hug, I guess is the way to put it. And I'm completely normal. I'm happy. Nothing bothers me anymore. So I figured that there might be some kind of

interaction with diet as well. Yeah. It's just, like I said, it just kind of makes you happy. And when you're happy like that and in a good mood, it's easier to make a good decision. So I think that's a big, I mean, food makes us happy, right? So maybe because you're already happy and you're already in a pretty good mood, you're like, I don't really care. I don't really need food at the moment. You know, you feel pretty good about it. It'd be interesting if you ever have the time, just pop on Clubhouse at, I guess, night times relative.

But there was a chat last night. People were talking about fasting and whatnot. And some of the things are like the exact opposite of what you teach. And from experience, trying what they've tried versus trying what you preach, what you say works. So like it was kind of eerie listening to these so-called health professionals telling people what to do that were desperately overweight or whatever and saying, I've tried that and it doesn't work. And the doctor just says, try harder. Right, right. Yeah. You know, some of these things can be tricky. It's really

funny, like, you know, when you talk about fasting, people are like, well, what do I do? Because the real thing is just not to eat, right? But you do need to have some safety protocols surrounding ketosis. And I actually think that it's, you know, if you really wanted to be very, very careful and very cautious of how you fast, I do think it might be wise to, you know, first of all, make sure that your diet is kind of like intact. You know, make sure you have a good, healthy diet intact for a while before you go embarking on just not eating out of nowhere. Because if you go from the standard American diet to messing around some fasting, the, the likelihood that you'll feel like shit is probably, it's probably pretty high. I also want to say that by having a time restricted window, some of the things that I'm learning, the less time that you spend eating, you can, uh, you might be able to have just a little bit more wiggle room with what it is that you eat in that eating window.

For myself, for example, I've been a very big proponent of low-carbohydrate diets, right? Having 100 grams of carbohydrates sprinkled throughout the day is a real drop in the bucket, especially if you consider that oftentimes I may have about 50 grams, maybe post-workout or intra-workout. So now I'm left with, I guess, maybe not even a full cup of rice or something, right? During the course of the day, or maybe a small potato or something like that. That's not a lot of carbohydrates, but if I compact my meal into, you know, one meal for the day, my meal into, you know, one meal for the day. Um, and I have, you know, I might be able to have more carbohydrates, uh, in like, well, it will just seem like more carbohydrates because rather than sprinkled throughout the day, it's now confined to one or two meals. So I find that

to be more satisfying as well. Um, I like to have kind of a preload meal as I've been talking about a little bit here Then I like to have a meal at like 4 o'clock or 5 o'clock And I like to have a meal at like 6 or 7 And I've been doing stuff like this for a really really long time I just don't talk about it that much Sometimes in the morning it's not like a real fast Because I have a protein shake in the morning That probably has

like 60 grams of protein, uh, along with having a little bit of fat in there as well. And it's just basically coffee and, and slingshot protein powder. Uh, and that's how I start out a lot of my days. Um, and I actually use a icon meals, uh, has a, like a cappuccino protein powder thing that I use that has some caffeine in it. And that tastes pretty damn amazing. So that combination just, I really liked the flavor of it. I have that most mornings and then I don't eat again until like two or three o'clock. But for me, that's not necessarily a fasting strategy per se. And I don't even think it falls in line with fasting mimicking. Cause I think the protein is too high. But what it does do is it keeps my calories in place.

Like, it's like, all right, well, you only had, you know, 180 or 200 calories. And most of those calories were from protein, which I don't even consider to be calories. So it was almost like I barely ate anything, but I had something because protein is satiating and it keeps me going until two or three o'clock. So that strategy has worked really well for me. I know Ron Penna uses something similar and I've talked to a few other people who are like, yeah, I got kind of fallen onto the exact same thing. So sometimes I tell people I eat twice a day, but actually, if you look at it, I had the protein shake in the morning. I have my

preload meal and then I have two meals after that. So it's kind of like four different opportunities to have some calories, I guess you'd say. There also might be a time in the day where I, you know, just have some cream in my coffee or do something a little bit different. But for the most part, that's what it looks like. We got a question from my bro. What's up, bro? Yeah. I want to get him in the room.'s see we're invited to be there we go so yeah we got chris bell in the house no way wheezy wayne is back in the house no way yeah uh maybe they're just listening in see if wayne yeah let's get get both of these guys on the horn why not let's yeah and anybody else if you guys have any questions go and raise your hand you can hop right on the air with uh with mark and there we go so what's up baby what's up dude what's up baby guys is this the real wheezy what's up wheezy

would you drop your phone oh me oh there's chris hey hey what's going on yeah what do you got going on over there i'm about ready to cook some eggs with steak from last night and i it's my first meal baby oh yeah that's awesome we trained some legs today. Oh, yeah? Trying to get jacked over there? Working on it. Wayne, how's it going? You're on like day three or four over there, right? Today's day seven.

Oh, here we go. A full week into switching things around and working on some weight loss. Yeah, a full week into being less fatter-ish. How's it going so far? I think it's going great. I mean, just I think ultimately what I was telling you earlier is like, and Chris and I were talking about this too,

It's like, and Chris and I were talking about this too, is like, you have to just be personally ready to be fucking done with it. You know? Just be like, okay, no more playing games. It's time to take this shit seriously. I don't want to die at age 52 like my uncle. I want to live. I have a great life. I have i have you know no excuses at all to to to lose you know so you know like i was saying i got the gym four minutes away from my

house it's free um so many things that are helping me win. Why not take advantage of all of that and equipment, a little, you know, what about it? Right. Just knock it out of the park. It sounds like Chris Bell is cooking up some food right now. I'm making a steak,

another steak, you know, making a Piedmontese ball, that steak. But you know, what Wayne said is, uh, you definitely have to be ready because,

our cousin, Steven, he hit me up again today and he said, Hey man, I let myself get back up to 268. And everybody knows what Mark and I are going to say, well, you know, just go back to eating meat, just go. And it's the, the plan has always been the same. The plan will always be the same sort of a low a low carbohydrate approach. For us, carnivore works really well. And, you know, my message to everybody, because they keep hitting us up as like, as if Mark and I are going to say something different or something new, you know, but it's not going to change for the next 20, 30 years. I mean, you're going to ask Mark and I, well, what do I do? And we're going to say, eat meat, get back in the program. I mean, there, there really are no secrets here. There's nothing hidden. There's no thing that Mark has that you don't have. You know, a lot of people

say, um, about Mark. Well, like if I had that kind of money, it'd be pretty easy to be in shape. That's the worst excuse I've ever heard from anybody. Um, it, it's just about doing it. You just have to put one foot in front of the other and keep moving forward. Whether you have to do that with filet mignon or with, with eggs that you get at the dollar store. Uh, it doesn't really matter where the sources are coming from. It doesn't matter. You know, it just matters that you're actually sticking to the plan every single day and

just doing it. And so I'm happy that Wayne has gotten back on the, on the horse here, but had he stayed on the horse for the past year and a half that he, that he didn't, he'd be in a much different place right now. And that's sort of my message to everyone. I'm glad that he's back, but I wish that he would have stayed before, you know, It's a, it's a lifestyle thing. You know, this is not something that we just do for a period of time. And so I think people are like, Oh, you know, Wayne and I have discussed some goals.

But even when you get down to that goal, you're not going to all of a sudden be able to, you know, have all this independence, which actually happens in a lot of other areas of life. Like if you work hard and you play your cards right, you can make a shit ton of money and then you have financial freedom and then you can kind of kick back. But most people that are well off don't, they usually continue to move forward because the stakes are higher because they have more employees, they have more people they're responsible for and so on. But when it comes to your nutrition, when it comes to your body, it doesn't work that way. You know, you can't, it's like we can put money in the bank. We can like save shit or we can invest and have the money, you know, work for us, which I would say is comparable to gaining muscle mass. That is the one thing that you can do.

You can work on that today and have it pay off a lot tomorrow. But when it comes to your nutrition, when it comes to just kind of overall movement, you know, that has to be serviced every single day that has to be done every single day, kind of like locking your doors at your house. You know, you don't lock, you don't lock it on Monday and then leave it open all the time and just expect that no one's ever going to break in. You have to, every night you have to check it, you know, and if you're trying to keep the energy bill down, you have to you have to check it, you know, and if you're trying to keep the energy bill down, you have to always check the lights every, you know, you got to always

shut them off. And there's these things that you have to do every day and it just gets to be, it gets to be so tiring, but these things can't be forced. They have, these have to be things that, that come to you. They have to be things that you're doing them because they make you feel better and you're not really doing them because you want to be like anybody else. You don't want to look like anybody else. You simply want to serve yourself the best and give yourself the best opportunity to enjoy this world as much as you possibly can. And when you break it down like that, you're like, well, I don't think I really need to be shredded to do that. I just need to look pretty good in

a t-shirt or look okay in a tank top, or at least feel fairly comfortable with my shirt off here and there, which those are, those are all different categories of things. Those are all, you know, for somebody just desiring to look better in a t-shirt or look better in a shirt that's like form fitting. Um, that's a, that's an obtainable goal for anybody because it's, it's you looking better than you have previously in a t-shirt and you're not necessarily comparing yourself to others. I think we run into a problem when we start trying to compare ourselves to other people. We got Russell buddy in the house. Russell Buddy's in the room if we can let him in. If you guys have anything else to comment, go ahead.

Why did I throw something on from Chris? We lost you. Lost the connection to Canada. Yeah. So unmute yourself, Matty. There you go. I'm on the highway. Why did I throw something on from Chris? Go for it. Yeah. So unmute yourself, Matty. There you go. I'm on the highway. Mind if I throw something in on what Chris said? Go for it. Yes. Yeah, buddy. Go for it. Cool. Yeah. So one of the things as like a former fat guy who comes at this from having zero like health and fitness influence in my life,

when Chris says, yeah, you know, we're just going to tell you guys, eat meat. When you're from that outside and everybody makes health and fitness so complex, it actually took me a while to just be like, how is it that simple and how does it work like that? So I think for a lot of people that are struggling from my point of view when I talk to them, I say, just eat meat and water. And then they start doing the same questions I had for you all at the beginning. It's like, well, what about this? What about this? It seems too simple to be true but I mean for anybody listening it's just that try and boil it down as simply as possible as

little as extra stuff as possible but meat and water and it just starts to work in having some conversation with Wayne uh it helped me realize some stuff Wayne was saying you know some of his favorite I was like what are your favorite fat guy foods that keep entering into your diet that are, you know, throwing you off? And he said he liked Panda Express pizza and ice cream. I think it was. And I was like, oh, good. That's perfect.

Because all three of those things have something in common. None of them are real foods. You know, maybe the Panda Express or some real food sprinkled in there. But there's a lot of flavors and a lot of crap in their food that's going to promote overeating. And so we want to try to get rid of a lot of things that promote overeating. And anything that's packaged and anything that's produced and anything that's manufactured, any food that is manufactured should be food that you just spend a lot less time eating. Things that are natural of this world type of foods, such as any sort of meat,

any sort of vegetable, and any sort of fruit, those are all things that, those things are already identified as your body. They're not novel. You know, they talk about the novel coronavirus. We should talk about novel foods. These foods are still new to us. Like we're never going to adapt to being able to eat Cheez-Its. And if we ever do adapt to eating Cheez-Its, I'd love to be in that world. So that'd be fantastic. But that's not the way that it works right now.

Even our pets, even our dogs and stuff, they have not evolved to be able to handle any of that either, even though we try to feed it to them. So as humans, you have to eat stuff that's meant for human beings and you have to do so over and over again. And there's some fringe stuff out there that we have kind of manufactured or produced. There's things like dairy and some things like that where they get manipulated a little bit, but you can eat steak, you can eat eggs, you can eat butter, you can have cream, you can have vegetables, you can eat these things very, very frequently with very little side effect with the ability to gain more body fat from them will be really, really hard.

And if you did have a hard time losing weight on these things, that's when you just implement some time-restricted feeding or figure out a way to keep exercise as a huge part of your life. What's up, everybody? This episode of Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast is brought to you by Piedmontese Beef. Yeah, World Carnivore Month is over, and I think I'm totally done with me no you're not i'm going you're fibbing no that's no fake news yes i am actually lying there was no reason i'm gonna put all type paws i'm gonna eat there's no way of saying that i want to eat all types of people especially when

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How you doing, man? We got you out there still? Russell Buddy in the house. Is this the one time my internet starts to cut out? Let me walk back to the house. No, we got you loud and clear now. Oh, beautiful. I'm back in.

Fantastic. Hey, how's your day going? Everything's going wonderful over here. We cranked out a podcast earlier today, and now we're on Clubhouse. Clubhouse is fascinating, isn't it? Pretty cool. I think I need to do the responsible thing and praise and give honor to the divinity of Clubhouse, right? That's the first time you, that's what you're supposed to do when you get on Clubhouse the first time? I believe so. I believe so. I think you just, I think you just, uh, created it. Yeah. There you go. Very good. Yeah. I've, I've been listening to your, uh, power projects here.

They are really good, man. What a great way just to sort of catch in live and keep it going. I'm here starting my Monday. I'm in the gym, staring down the weights, having a, we're having a stare down, getting ready to, uh, to, uh, do some battle as I call it, I suppose. So I'm off to a good day. I heard you guys just got started. Yeah. We're just, uh, we're just getting started with some of this. And I think my brother and Wayne, they already got it done. I got to get in the gym still. So I'm kind of, uh, jealous of them. How are going uh for you in terms of diet and uh exercise uh really good i just had to uh sort of take on exactly what you were just talking about and uh just decide that processed foods are slowly killing me and the battle's almost Oh no, we lost you.

Oh no. Oh no. He cut out completely. Let's let Hottie in the room as well. Hopefully we'll get back with... Oh, there's Russell. I think I heard him for a second there. I think maybe the connection was so bad that he ended up disappearing.

Maybe he's walking around so fast that we lost him. We can sub in Hottie, though. What's up, dude? What's up? Can you hear me? We got you. Yeah, what's up? Dude, this guy lost, what, 150, 200 pounds?

How much weight did you lose, Hottie? 235. Give everybody the truth, man. What, what is, you know, what are the three things that were just massively important to you to be able to make the switch, to be able to just get momentum, to lose weight and then to hang on to it. And then in addition to that, to keep it off. You know, the, the first thing for me was, you know, being around for my daughter, man. That was my biggest motivation that honestly got me to cut all my stuff out and find something to get me on track. That was my biggest thing.

What about, like, did you have to work on trying to find many different diets? Did you write stuff down? Did you track stuff? Where did you start, and did you fail a couple times before that, or was it you did it one time and you were able to lose weight? So I failed many times. I yo-yo dieted my whole life, man, where I lost a significant amount of weight, and then I ended up

gaining more than what I started. So, you know, I've researched a bunch of diets and, and that's kind of what they are is diets, you know, for a short term goal, that's what would have worked for me. But I was, I was researching something for a long-term goal, like a lifestyle change. And, you know, I've done every diet you could think of, you know, bodybuilding diet where I've walked into a supplement shop and somebody's helped me track calories and figure out how to break down my meals until, you know, I switched to carnivoreore and that seemed like a lifestyle change and not a diet to where i could sustain it forever awesome and uh boar what you got going on over there you got your steak all cooked up did we lose him he's there he's probably uh has his hands full i'm assuming

right now i was I was muted. Now I'm in the middle. I'm in the process of cooking up a steak. It'll take a while. I'm doing like a reverse sear. So it really takes a little while, you know, but I've been starting to eat a little bit earlier, starting to introduce food a little bit earlier so I don't binge at night. I think that that's another important thing is, um, you know, a lot of people skip meals and do a lot of intermittent fasting. And I know that we recommend that to a lot of people,

but also if people are having trouble eating later in the day, it's a good idea to throw in some, you know, food earlier in the day. So if you're intermittent fasting, but at night you're intermittent fatting, then you should be, you should maybe re-examine that and say, Hey, you know what? I'm going to start out my day with a six egg omelet and just smash some food. Oh, that sounds great. Yeah. So right now I'm cooking up above that steak. That's got, you know, a hundred grams of protein.

It's only got 16 grams of fat. And what I do recommend also is I, I like to load these protein heavy meals in, you know, early in the day. That way I get all my, I get my protein in and I'm not hungry. But also it allows me to have some fat later. So like my meal later in the day will probably be, you know, like another steak, probably like another pretty lean steak. But I'll have like broccoli with like a ton of butter on it. And that just tastes awesome.

Like it's, you know,ne was talking about panda express well if you take uh butter and some soy sauce and some broccoli and you throw that all together in a big bowl and smash it all together it kind of tastes like panda express like broccoli and beef you know like tastes awesome so there's things that you can make that are sort of like your fat counterparts or you you can make a steak with cauliflower rice. And, you know, like we've actually seen in recent studies that soy doesn't make you grow tits. Oh, my God. You can have some stuff like that.

Or how important is it to cook your own meals? How important is that? Exactly. Make your own stuff. Yeah, I've versions. You know, that's something else in talking to people over the years that I recognize like, okay, I get it.

People are, they want these kinds of convenient foods, but a lot of times people are, in my opinion, what I'm seeing is like people are eating like a bunch of bums, you know, like a lot of these, uh,

a lot of these, uh, processed foods are really, really cheap and they're cheap for a reason. Cause they don't have any nutrients in them that are good for us. They don't, they're not of quality. So stop spending your money on these things. I hate when people say, they're like,

oh, I can't do the diet because it's too expensive. It's like, well, there's a bunch of strategies that you can employ to make this a lot less hurtful on your wallet. And one of them is you can utilize some intermittent fasting, which is free to fast. In addition to that, just spend more money on good quality food, whatever's in your price range, and get rid of spending tons of money on all this junk

that's continually setting you backwards. If you think that a steak from the grocery store is expensive, wait till you get the medical bill for having diabetes, to have your foot chopped off and to have a wheelchair and to have someone assisting you. I mean, it just, I know that people think that sometimes myself or someone like Sean Baker, we get a little radical with some of these things,

but this is really, really important. You know, could you, I know you got like Netflix, you've got every motherfucking streaming thing that you can think of that you currently pay for. Uh, you like people have all the same things that I have and I'm rich. People have the same phone as I have. There's all the same stuff. They have a big screen TV. They got all the streaming stuff. I can't even stream stuff because I live in the boondocks, but people have all the same shit that I do. And then they're trying to tell me that they can't afford to go buy some fucking hamburger meat from Costco. It's like, dude, you're making excuses. We need to stop making excuses. I'm compassionate that you're

stuck and you're in a rough spot, but let's not highlight that. Let's not highlight the one area where you think is holding you back. You're holding yourself back because if you really wanted to make it happen, you would make it happen. You have to spend more time doing a thing that you want to get results from than you are, you know, spending time making excuses on stuff. So it's, I know we tell people all the time that it's simple, but it can get complex and it can get complicated in the sense that we are addicted to these foods and they're everywhere. But work on lowering the barrier of entry into eating healthy stuff and having good,

strong, healthy habits. Raise the level of entry into, you know, have a fucking massive barrier that you can't really ever climb over into bad habits. Make it difficult to have a bad habit. Have your significant other hide some junk food or get rid of junk food altogether if that's possible. And really, and work on a lot of these things. Have that barrier of entry super low into healthy foods. If you have hard boiled eggs, you have cheese, you have cured meat, you have a bunch of stuff in the fridge that you can grab at any time. What's something in the freezer that you can pull out right now. If you're listening to this and you don't have something in the freezer that

you can pull out right now and cook immediately, cause you don't have an air fryer or it's going to be too big of a massive chunk of meat to thaw out within an hour, then you're doing things wrong. You got to have something that's available for right then. Cause you're going to get home from work or get home from doing something. And you're going to be like, my day was so hard. And then you're going to reach for all that fucking bullshit. That's, that's, uh, you know, too easy to get ahold of and too flavorful for you to combat every day. There's going to be one day where you're just more tired

and more fed up with other people's shit and your own shit. And you're stressed out and you're going to fold and you're going to cave and you're going to set that ball back in motion again. And once that it's in motion, it has a snowball effect and picks up a lot of momentum, but you could do the same thing with healthy habits. So let's try to focus in on getting that snowball effect on the healthy habits rather than the bad ones. Very well said, dude. And one thing that you have said in the past, like for people who can't afford to eat this way or whatever It's they can't afford not to eat this way, right, right Well, you know you think about you know, I my one of my heroes is a guy named jim rohn

Who's a speaker from uh many years ago. He died Uh, probably 10 years ago or maybe even longer ago um But he said hey, you know, I was, so he did these conferences and he taught people some strategies on how they can make more money. And it was just like, it was just like real world stuff.

It wasn't like some marketing scheme or anything like that. He was just teaching people the importance of having goals and he basically shared with people how they can get to their goals and how they can even potentially satisfy some of the dreams that they have in their life. And he said, hey, you know, I was walking up, you know, and I drove through the parking lot and I was walking in here on the way in. And he's like, I stopped for a while because I was looking at the Maserati that was out front.

And he goes, and next to that, there was a BMW. And he's like, and next to that one, there was a Mercedes. He's like, why in the front row of a seminar where I'm teaching about money, do I see all these high class luxury vehicles? So these people are, they're already in good position. They're already in a good spot. And so it doesn't matter where you are in your life. You're still going to be hunting and you're still going to be going after, you know, figuring

out ways to improve yourself. But there's a lot of people that would never spend the money on going to that seminar because like, I can't afford it. And it's like, you can't afford not to if you're tired of not being able to pay the bills if you're tired of being so worried about your electricity bill you're tired of worrying about your streaming bill and this bill and that bill and you can't afford a carnivore diet you can't afford not to go somewhere to where you can make more money to where you can have the shit that you want it's up to you you can have nearly everything that you want in this world there's going to be some things that sometimes are out of reach maybe you can have the shit that you want. It's up to you. You can have nearly everything that you want in this world.

There's going to be some things that sometimes are out of reach. Maybe you can't be Joe Rogan. You know, maybe you can't be as popular as a rock. Like there's certain things, maybe you'll never dunk a basketball. Like there's going to be some shit that's out of your realm of capabilities for several reasons. But most everything else is just right there. And it's a matter of you spending time working towards it. I have a question for the panel, and this is actually really great that

we have Hottie and Russell here as well as Matthew. Oh, nice shot. Way off. Um, I mean, and bore, you know, some of the, uh, some of the fun foods that I have, like some of these food hacks, uh, some fun recipes that I got from my boy Remington James. But, you know, Wayne talking about how he likes Panda Express. I have a really good recipe that can make a somewhat healthy version of Panda Express. But is something like that kind of dangerous when you're, you know, trying to get off the blocks the way it is? It's, you know, week one. And dude, like I can literally make it right

now with what i have here at the gym like i can make a panda express ish uh orange chicken meal right now but is that something that you want to like i don't know like is that like a slippery slope is that i have an opinion on this yeah dude i would love to hear that, man. Yeah, go ahead, Russell. Yeah, as someone that's tried to full speed run with every keto hack and every frankenfood and every fried whatever you can. And as someone that's clearly addicted to food in general, I endlessly bargained with myself. And it was a complete obstruction to any success I was having and I've just recently have just decided I have to set the fence line as far out as I possibly can and I don't and I'm not advocating that for any for everybody but you at some point you have to realize quickly are you the kind that can make, I mean, the inability to make moderate choices was probably why you got there.

And so to just modify, I don't, I think that's probably, I don't know who's the rare breed, the person that can't or the person that can, but you need to have an honest discussion with yourself and realize if you can't, you have to be willing to let go fully. Give in fully. Don't just jump in. Don't just jump into your chin. Jump in all the way if you really want to make anything of the moment. I think to speak a little further upon what you're saying right there, I think that that's a tremendous advice and that makes a lot of sense. And I would advise, you know, for anybody embarking on a diet who wants, who's looking for a, uh, you know, a spin and looking for to, to do something a little different. Uh, they're looking for just a different flavor, like on their palate kind of thing. Um, I would just say that that has to be represented on a day, uh, where you're allotting for maybe more

calories. So again, I talk very often about fasting in and fasting out of stuff. That could be a strategy that you use, or you could say, Hey, you know what? Uh, I am going to eat those protein pancakes this morning. Uh, you know, you're going to overeat, you know, you're going to probably still have a surplus of calories because of the food choice that you made. And because of that, you know, maybe you're like, okay, well, later today, I'm going to make sure I get in some good exercise or I'm going to work out beforehand. So there's a lot of strategies that you can use going into that. But Russell, I think a big thing about what you're talking about is I don't think people can really get freedom away from their diet until they earned it. And one way to earn it is through re-educating your palate. You have to get used

to food again, and you have to get used to the, the food is primarily savory other than fruit. There's not really much pop to any food in terms of sweetness. You don't really get that from anything other than some fruit when it comes to natural foods that are, uh, foods that are made for human beings. And so everything else is fairly like either savory or almost earthy. If you're talking about like greens, you have to, you have to dive all in on that and go in up over your head the way you were saying, rather than just to your chin chin because you want to get your palate and your body used to saying to itself over and over again and showing your body over and over again, this is what's good for me. This is what I need to eat. This is what my body runs on. Occasionally, if you are able to get a little bit more flavor into a meal and have a chicken teriyaki bowl or something like that, I would say that that's okay, but that you have to have rules. As crazy as it sounds,

you have to treat yourself like a child and you have to have a shit ton of rules around this potentially dangerous meal that you have. In nursing, they say, and in medical, they'll say, you know, cause no harm. So how can you have this meal without causing any harm? How do you make sure that it doesn't set you back? Well, you know, right away that the fastest way for that thing to set you back is to eat more than just that meal. And you already know yourself, know thyself, right? You already know yourself and you know, you can already picture yourself eating a bunch of cookies after you had that Panda Express or after you had that teriyaki bowl, even if you

made it at home for yourself and had all the best intentions. So you're going to have to tell somebody, tell a significant other, you're going to have to go through a lot of different measures. I love the way you put it, Russell. You're so good with your language and your vocabulary. I love talking to you. Super smart guy. You're able to get to your point a lot faster than most people. But yeah, that was very well said. You need to kind of set that fence really far out.

And we need to make boundaries. We need to make rules for ourselves almost like we're a gremlin yeah i love what russell said because i'm i'm like totally at that point where you got to like know yourself you know and if i made that panda express little treat, like Andrew was talking right now, I know I would just fuck myself. And I'm like, not down to do that. And like what you were saying,

Mark, it's like, I'm trying to retrain my palate to be like, this is, this is good stuff. This is what you have to eat. And this is the way it's going to go until I can talk to myself and have that little conversation that says,

Hey bro, you're strong enough now that you could fucks with that you know and you can have a little bit of that and it and it's not gonna derail you you know i think i got my boy max on there too uh he's in the audience he's uh lost a substantial amount of weight. And I love this talk, man. I appreciate all you guys. What's your buddy's name? His name is Max. He's down there with a big-ass smile.

Got it. Okay, cool. I see him now. Yeah, I love what you said right there. It's important that you know yourself and know what kind of boundaries you have. I think Hottie is a person that has not had a cheat in forever. I think he has really just stuck to his guns. From what I recall, he was just saying that the only thing

he's had is some keto treats here and there. That's something that I do a lot of times. I'll buy Quest bars or I'll buy like keto cookies and stuff like that. And again, this is a massive slippery slope for most people. And it has even been for me and it has, it has derailed my diet before it has, uh, because I get a flavor for that. And then I'm like, Oh, let me see if we have any ice cream. And then I'm eating, and then I'm like literally eating regular ice cream. Um, I don't do that kind of thing anymore, but I will derail myself, uh, even by just over consuming some of these things, chalk zero peanut butter cups, or, uh, these pop tarts that are made by legendary foods. The good news about a lot of these things though, is that to me, most of them don't taste good enough for me to really overindulge on them.

It's not the same as eating like a Snickers bar or having, you know, some Ben and Jerry's or something like that. Those things are just so easy to really overdo it. And then plus, I'm at a point now in my life where my body's a little bit leaner. I have more muscle mass. And so I can, I can afford it here and there. I can afford to make a mistake and not have it be so harmful. But anytime we're looking at any sort of deviation off of the plan, when our, when we feel like we're fat and we need to get rid of this fat. Any deviation off the plan needs to be surrounded with some

rules, but it can't, you know, the important thing is it can't be forced because if it's forced, you're going to go back to your old habits again. You're going to go back to your old habits again, and you go back to your old habits again. And I don't want to get too philosophical here, but I would ask people to examine what has happened in their life. Because if you have had traumatic experiences in your life, I think that you need to go seek some help in that fashion before you're going to be able to really make the progress that you want with your diet. Because it's just been my own life's experience that these things get to be really difficult. If you have something that's been pulling on you,

whether it's a death of somebody or, uh, a breakup or whatever it is, you have these things pulling on you. They are the root. They are at the root and you might not even realize it. You continue to self-sabotage yourself possibly because, possibly because you don't think you're worth it. I mean, our mother, I mean, Chris's mother suffered from that. Rosemary Bell suffered from that massively to where she saw great things for other people and saw great things in other people, but couldn't see that for herself. And she couldn't see all the great attributes that she had. She couldn't see that she was deserving of a much better life because as a child, she was put down so much. She had very traumatic experiences, grew up with drugs and alcohol in the house, had her brother die from drugs, had her sister die from leukemia when she was nine years old and had two alcoholic parents.

And so there was a lot of turmoil, a lot of stuff inside that household that led her to have these beliefs that she was fat. Her dad would tell her that she's fat. Her dad would tell her that she like, he'd made comments about how she's always wearing her food because my mom would like, my mom was big busted and she would spill food on her, on her boobs. A lot of times, you know, some food would drip down onto her boobs or whatever. And she got made fun of by her own dad for that. So she didn't have a lot of trust in maybe some other people and, uh, definitely, you know, really just didn't have trust in herself, which is, uh, which is the worst thing, but you know, what an amazing woman being strong enough

to provide me and my brothers, uh, with enough to where, you know, we remained fairly confident in ourselves. I know for myself, um, you know, confidence has never, I've, I've never been lacking confidence, even, even in times when I thought I was stupid and thought I was dumb and thought I wasn't able to do things that other kids could do. I still never lacked any confidence. So, you know, for people that are really struggling, I do think that sometimes it's good to have some evaluation of where your mind is at. Some, you know, utilizing, you know, going to a psychiatrist of some sort of psychologist rather, uh, and examine these things. Like you might need to get more help than just hearing somebody say, Hey man, you got to eat steak and eggs.

So I'm curious, uh, Max, uh, Wayne just gave you the seal of approval. Uh, he said he had a weight loss journey. Is there anything that you wanted to share with the the panel today yeah um so basically i work out with wayne um frequently like in dutch pros and stuff but um basically i was just like i saw a picture of myself and i was really really like just upset by the picture. I was just done playing college football and moved back home because I had knee problems. And then basically I was just like an overweight kid. You know, I thought, me personally, I thought I was in great shape,

but I was just like 340 pounds, not happy with myself at all. And basically, when I saw that picture, I decided, you know what, enough's enough. I'm going to change. And so basically just went on a diet where I cut out a lot of carbs. I did a lot of cardio, but a lot of like a lot of weightlifting. lot of cardio but a lot of like a lot of weight lifting and that actually ended up helping me lose around like 40 50 pounds and i dropped down to 263 i think was my lowest damn yeah um but i've never been stronger in my life um my cardio is like probably the best it's been. And yeah, I think eating is the main factor of all of that. It is hard.

I've tried different diets in the past. I've tried carnivore. I personally, I like a lot. I like eating meat. That's just my type of thing. But I think the hardest part of all all of that is like you know going out with your friends like even i'm not saying like going out to go drink but going out to just go get dinner with them it's like i feel like that's like the hardest part where people have

of um you know they pick up those bad habits of, let me get fries instead of like a salad or something, you know. But, yeah, Wayne has held me accountable to my diet, my workout. And, yeah, it's been going great so far. You know, it's amazing. Once you start making that journey down towards making better decisions, you start to quickly see you see the world differently. you start to quickly see, you see the world differently. You're like, oh my God, I thought all that was available to me was junk food because there's so many fast food restaurants. There's so much bad food advertised to you. And so you kind of assume that it's everywhere and you don't even understand or realize or recognize that the same amount of healthy food

has been surrounding you the entire time. It's just not monetized the same amount of healthy food has been surrounding you the entire time. It's just not monetized the same way. We just don't, it's just not advertised to us in the same way. But there are, you know, at the grocery store, there is way more unhealthy choices there than there are healthy choices. But there's a lot of options when it comes to meat. You know, you got everything from sausage to chicken to elk to bison to whatever kind of meat that you're looking for. There's a shit ton of different options.

You got fish, you got bacon, you got all kinds of hot dogs, all kinds of different things when it comes to those choices. And when it comes to, you know, even a potato, like how many different types of potatoes are there? There's quite a few different types of potatoes. There's a lot of different types of apples. There's many different types of oranges. So you can kind of look at things and be like, I'm not sure if I want the, uh, you know, frosted flakes or the, uh, cocoa pebbles, or you could be in a different section in the grocery store and understanding that there's a lot of wonderful, healthy things right in front of you. And sometimes I'm shocked. Like when I, sometimes I'll take, because of where I'm at in my diet stuff,

I can sometimes take some time off and I'll take like a week off. But when I take the week off, I'm still eating very healthy during the day. I just have a meal that is sort of off plan later on in the day. And it's still usually not that bad because at this point, I'm pathetic when it comes to eating like a pig. I can't really do it anymore. I don't possess the same ability and I'm not as addicted to the food as I used to be. I have an internal thing that will kind of shut it down.

But for myself, what I've noticed is there's so many more healthy options around us than we ever thought before. And like, look at all these food prep companies. Like, you don't even have to cook it yourself. And again, I know people will frown at the price and stuff, but look, where I'm not asking you to try to make every meal from a meal prep company. Now don't eat every meal from meal prep company, but have some in the freezer so that you're always five minutes away. It's within arm's reach of you making a better decision versus making a worse

decision. That's something that you can bring with you to work. I made a video the other day talking about bridging the gap. People need to bridge the gap. If you're pretty hungry and you're on your, and you're about to leave work, you should eat because, you know, when you get home and the wife is up your ass about what a pain in the ass the kids have been, she puts her foot in your ass because the kids have been putting their foot in hers all day. And you just walked in and you're like, fuck man, I didn't even set my fucking bag down. You

know, you just want to, you just want to throw your bag across the room or whatever, right? It doesn't have to be like that. Like have your meal, be a little bit more calm, walk through the door. And if you know, some shit gets thrown your way, you're a little bit more chill. Cause you're like, you know what? I ate, I just ate some ground Turkey and some green beans. I'm good to go. Then you're not, you know, going through the pantry and your wife's trying to talk to you and you're trying to stuff all this food in your face. That's not good for you in the first place. And you're like, where are we going to eat tonight? What are we going to do? What are we having for dinner? And your wife's like, I don't know. I haven't even had a chance

to sit down. I haven't had a chance to even take a shit today because the kids have been crazy. They've been fighting or whatever. And your whole house is kind of turned upside down and everything. I know everybody feels my pain on some of this. So these are the things that we can safeguard ourselves from if we just simply bridge the gap, you know, and we make sure we're getting our meals in, make sure we're getting, you know, good healthy options in there. We got Pina in the house? She's in the room too?

Yeah. What was that? Go ahead. I think War on Carbs I think is a very appropriate title when I look at it nowadays where I know

it's a war of attrition. Your taste buds, they want those bad tasting foods and your gut wants to go along with it. Your mind's against it. So they're just waiting

for you to flip up. So the more of that bad stuff you put in, the more you justify it. So it's a simple war of attrition. If you let it win a little bit, it takes it from an inch, it takes it to a mile, and then all of a sudden, you're back where you were when you started. Always fighting for that position. Any other guys have anything else to add in there on that? All right, we got Peanut on the line. What's up, Peanut?

Wayne's wifey. Hey, how is everyone? I didn't know there was girls in here. I thought this was a sausage party. No, I love the conversation. I think that it's so right on, even from a female perspective. I think it's super easy, even as somebody who I work, you know, consistently, it's super easy to get caught up and and make, you know, poor decisions if I'm not focused and planning and paying attention. And so I love it. I love the conversation.

really difficult to, uh, it's difficult to stay on point, you know, but it's, it's weird because when we stay on point and when we eat healthy, you kind of sometimes forget how good it makes you feel. And then you also forget about how good the foods taste. Like, I think that people are thinking like, I got to make this healthier switch. So I got to have, you know, eat salad all the time with no dressing on it, or I have to have, you know, chicken and broccoli, but that's not true. I mean, if you watch, you know, pay attention to my brother's Instagram, pay attention to some of the stuff that I put out there, pay attention. There's a lot of people that are, are cooking like really good meals. And if you, if you're somebody that doesn't want to primarily only eat protein and fat, and you want to have some different flavors in your life, then check out someone like Remington James.

Check out some of these people that promote flexible dieting and they'll show you like there's a ton of other options. There's so many great options with foods that are healthy, that taste good. foods that are healthy, that taste good. It's just that, like, I think we've forgotten because there's so much flavor, uh, in, you know, like a fried chicken or there's so much flavor in, um, some of these things that we, uh, that we kind of have, you know, surrounding us that are advertised to us all day. There's, uh, a ton of ingredients in there and a really simple thing for your nutrition is, you know, if it has more than like three or four ingredients in it, it's probably not really going to be designed very well for you. So it's a tough thing to do, but it's something that people need to spend more time doing. Yeah, for sure.

I think even for, you know, me personally in my mental, you know, space with food. It's interesting, when I was 13, I remember when you were talking about your mom, Mark, I remember becoming conscious as a woman of my body. And I think I was like 12 or 13 years old. And I started weighing my food. And, and I was just a little girl. And I, I think that my journey now, it's so much about the way that I feel. It's so much about, you know, is this is this food that I'm intaking blessing my body? Is it building me? Or is it breaking me? And I think that those are just things that I started to have to pay attention to. So I recently, probably last September, transitioned to a Whole30 style diet where I was focused on eating whole foods. I couldn't do carnivore or keto, keto specifically because of the way that it affected my skin. I was intaking a lot of dairy and dairy wasn't good for my body. So I switched to more Whole30 where I'm focusing on, you know, fruits, vegetables, proteins. And that's really been my main focus. And I think for me, it's completely

transitioned my relationship with food, my relationship with myself, and what, you know, that journey looks like. I always like find that interesting when people say relationship to food and I, I know what they're talking about. But I've said before, like, everyone's got a bad relationship with pizza, you know, like, or, or a good relationship, I guess, depends on how you look at it. But it's, it's very destructive, you know, like these foods are, they are hyper palatable.

They taste really good. They're really easy to overeat and they keep pulling us away from the goal that we have. And the goal that we have is to figure out a way in short to eat less, you know, and one way to eat less, I mean, there's a lot of ways that you could figure out how to eat less. One of them is to incorporate eating more protein. Another one of them is to eat more fiber. Another one can potentially be for people that can handle some intermittent fasting. That might be helpful as well. Making sure our sleep is okay and making sure our hydration is intact.

Beyond that, there's not a lot of other strategies you can do other than just making sure that you are satisfied and fulfilled each day with the food requirement that you need. And I think sometimes people are, they go to the gym, they work out really hard, they got all the best intentions, but you're not really realizing that two hour workout that you had on Monday is the reason why you're binging Tuesday night. Because like our body has a delayed response to stuff, delayed onset muscle soreness. Like you're not sore from your leg workout that you did on Monday on Monday. You're sore on like Wednesday and sometimes all the way into Thursday. Sometimes it takes a while for it to hit you.

And I think that things don't really hit us. The stress that piles up, you know, keep in mind, lifting weights, cardiovascular exercise. Um, those are all stresses as well. They're all a form of stress. Uh, it might be a quote unquote good stress, but it is a stressor of our body. These stresses, they pile up and it's like anytime somebody eats bad, anyone listening to And it's like, anytime somebody eats bad, anyone listening to this today, anytime you eat bad, I want you to kind of like start to just work your way backwards and think like, how did I end up here? What happened? Was it because I just, it was just a hair trigger response. I saw an ad, next thing I know,

but see if you can trace back the steps of where this thing started from. Uh, just like they do with any, uh, epidemic, you're going to kind of look back and say like, where did this come from? Okay. I got into a fight with my significant other on that day and like shit was weird. And then, I don't know, there could be a bunch of things that you could look at, uh, you to have just have a better understanding. And then you need to say to yourself, okay, well, that's kind of a form of me like eating my feelings. And how is this helpful? Okay. I was sad. I was depressed. I was melancholy. I was whatever. I was just kind of blah. And so I just ate some bullshit. If you can figure out the reasons on why you did that, the next time that situation comes around, you can most likely try to make a better decision than you did before. they are eating, you know, they'll say they're eating their feelings or they have this bad relationship with food. But if you're eating your feelings, then you should make a better choice with your food and not a worse one, because that's not going to make you feel good. It's going to

taste good. It's going to feel good for a minute, but it's not going to serve you well. It's not going to advance your body in a direction that you want to go. It's going to make you more sad to wake up tomorrow and sit on the edge of the bed and look down and be like, oh man, like, look at that belly hanging right over my wiener, covering everything up. You know, that's not going to make you more proud of yourself. It's going to make you feel worse about yourself. And so those are things to really just consider when you're, when you're in the moment and you're, you're about to make a bad decision. Mark, I just think I, I like what you're saying. Also to that, that phrase, the Alexandria said relationship with food. I completely understand that term. And as someone

that's an emotional eater, I, i it i have had to completely redefine my relationship with food and and just quit the bargaining of it's it's such a destructive relationship that i i genuinely have to i think spend some time breaking to get a better grasp of but i i just wanted to say that you know that sometimes that that that may sound as cliche as it may sound, there is depth to that phrase. And you need to sort of, what is your relationship with food? Are you an emotional eater? Are you a casual eater? Are you just someone that just has it, that gives it no thought at all? It takes some time. I'm sure it's a spectrum from everybody, for everybody, myself included, but just take some time and maybe shift your processes for that. But, you know, I just also wanted to say thanks for bringing me into this

discussion. I'm a giant fan of you as what you give to, you know, your communities and you as a person. But I have to check back in with dad duty. So I think I'm going to, I'm going to leave the room and then just come back in and listen for a while. But thanks for giving me an opportunity just to, to just share time with you guys. You guys are all an inspiration. Chris is the best food Instagram on, on the entire web. He taught me how to, how to air fry steak and between just right now, just steak and literally broiling frozen shrimp i don't have frozen meals but i have frozen peeled and deveined shrimp and and that a little bit of butter i'm currently breaking my addiction to current to a sugar-free uh coffee mate it's

hard uh i haven't helped my children and wife but um please i just want to tell you guys thank you for letting me be a part of this thank you so much yeah thanks russ appreciate it hey russell real quick before you head out um any chance that you might be streaming a video game other than pub g anytime soon yeah i bought daisy and i want to try it it's hard to learn new things. I'm actually thinking about not playing video games in general. These kids are so, so much faster and sharper than me in all things possible. I'm tired of getting abused every night and getting called bots and things like that. So you never know. It's the worst. Daisy is something I want to try, but that's just something to do on the weekends instead of golf. Yes. I don't know why kids call everyone dog water these days, but.

I don't know. I don't know. These kids are vicious. They're abusive. They use me every weekend. Amazing dude. Have a great day, man. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. I appreciate you guys, all of you. Pina, if you're still around, you know, what do you think is, you do you think is what is the biggest hurdle for you? I know in previous history with talking to some other females, they either like sweets or they like snacky, crunchy stuff that's salty and they simply

will end up eating some stuff like that and they snack on stuff and they try not to really eat too much because they know overeating is not a good idea, but they're not really eating, you know, good quality nutrients and they're also not eating enough protein. What has been the biggest issue for yourself that has maybe halted your progress or gotten your way at times? Yeah, I think I'm definitely a sweet tooth. Like I love I'm an ice cream gal. I think that for me, it's it's very much mental. I, I know, I know what I'm supposed to be consuming. Like I understand what fuels my body the best way. And so it's I've gotten I've had a lot of progress in that direction over the last six months of like, if I want ice cream, like I'll have it, but I won't, you know, the next day and get right back on track. But I think that previously in my in my health journey, it was that where, you know, I'd be on a certain eating plan and then I'd have ice cream and then I'd be like, well, screw it. Like, I'm going to eat, you know, whatever I want for the rest of the day or the rest of the week, or I wouldn't even get back on a plan.

And so I think that I think that that's been my biggest, my biggest hurdle and biggest struggle throughout, you know, throughout my life. You mentioned weighing your food when you were young. Yeah. Do you think there could have been a different way to have that handled? Like, did your parents participate in any of that? Did they communicate with you? Cause like those situations are really,

uh, they're interesting, right? Like, so if, if, if you were, you know,

doing that in my household and I said, Oh, that's great. Like you want to make some good decisions about your nutrition. Uh, who knows how you would interpret that? You might think, well, shit, you, you know, you think I'm fat or whatever. But really I'm just trying to,

you know, assist like, oh, that, that's a great way to be more fit or that can help increase your ability to play volleyball or whatever, you know, how do you think, you know, some stuff with our youth should be handled? because sometimes at that age, it can be kind of fragile. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. My, my dad is a, is a pretty healthy and fit person. And he kind of grew up in that lifestyle. His father was a professional boxer who, you know, his dad passed away at the age of 35. My dad was 12. And so I think that I think that my dad carried a little bit of his father's journey with him, but maybe turned that journey into something that was a little bit unhealthy that led into my household. I remember, you know,

at the time when I when I decided, OK, I'm going to weigh my food, I'm going to run X amount of miles a day. Like I was always conscious of of those decisions from a young age. But I remember the only time and I don't want to be too deep about this, but I think that if we all kind of take a look at our health journeys and our decisions with food and where that stems from, you know exactly what you were talking about with your mom. There was this lack of worthiness that she felt. And the only time I remember my dad at that age saying, hey, you look great, was when I was weighing my food and making those decisions. And so, you know, as an adult now, I've had to let go of some of those things of like whether or not I get that praise or not. It's not about pleasing. It's about my health. It's about, you know, I believe that the way that you look comes with those decisions.

But I don't personally believe that that's all of it. I want to live a quality life. I want to, you know, run around with my grandkids someday. I want to live the longest life that I possibly can. I want to feel healthy. I want my brain to be right. I want to be able to knock out an Excel spreadsheet because my head's in the right space because of the food that I'm consuming. I think that for me, it's having that mindset shift of, I know I look great and I don't need that. Buts it and I'm in the spot that I'm in currently. You know, however, somebody wants to word some of the dialogue to help them advance because the position that you're in, it doesn't do you any good to either a praise the position that you're in or be put down the position that you're in. It's just your current circumstances. It's just where you're at currently. And then all this stuff is just about problem solving. How do we solve, how do we solve this problem? How do we, you know, what, what is the goal? You know, so we, I always tell people set a goal and work your way backwards from the goal

and trace your steps that you want to, uh, you want to do to achieve the thing that you want to get to. The hardest part I think is that this is not really done without restriction. You know, there's got to be, got to be some governor put on this thing. There's got to be some sort of regulation put on your nutrition and there's got to be some restrictions. And that's where things get to be really hard. Cause you're like, I can't have that. But you can change the dialogue of that and have a new reinterpretation of that as well, because that is only restricted to time. It's, it's, you're not eating that for now, but you'll eat it again.

You know, you'll eat ice cream again and there's no problem with eating ice cream again. Uh, but maybe you eat it, uh, once a month, you know, like if you eat, if you eat ice cream once a month, there's probably no problem with it. If you eat ice cream every day, it can be problematic. If you could really pay attention to how much ice cream you eat, you could potentially eat ice cream every, like there's strategies that you can employ to be able to do that and still make progress. And people have done these things, um, time and time again. So we know that you can do stuff like that,

but it just kind of depends on what kind of person you are. And I love what you said about, you want to live your life. And I think if you restrict and abstain away from food, um, it isolates you. It puts you on an Island. And when you're trying to,

if you're trying to like be good at something, people might not notice the amount of restrictions that you put on yourself. They might not recognize the disciplines that you're employing, but if you're trying to be great at something, it makes you weird. It makes you different. Last night I went over to my, uh,

my, uh, sister and brother-in-law's house and they cooked up this crazy dinner. I'm in the middle of a five day fast. So I'm the weird guy not eating, but the whole family at this point is used to that. I gotten over that hump and they just know that I'm different, you know? And so, but for a lot of people that isolates them too much and puts them on the outside,

I'm not drinking alcohol. I'm not eating. I'm not participating. It's hard to, it's hard to participate in enjoying some of the same things with other people when you're not participating and eating some of the same foods as them. And so it can isolate you. And when you go to like, uh, family gatherings and different things like that, shit can get kind of weird. But if you open up your eyes and you pay attention and you communicate with people, it's not really that weird. When you say, oh, I'm doing this because

I just told my family, hey, I'm doing some stuff right now that's a little different because I want to be able to sleep better because I haven't slept in 15 years. Nobody wants to see me continue to not sleep. So they're like, okay. And it's also just for a time period. And so when you recognize that these restrictions, this weirdness that's going on, it's for a time period. And when that time period is up, the other thing that's weird about it is that it's not over. You lost 10 pounds. The journey's not over. You got to still stay on point, still stay on track. Maybe there's more weight that you want to lose. But, you know, my, uh, my, uh, nieces and nephews have said before, like, uncle Mark,

what are you doing? Eating cookie dough? You can't eat that. Cookie dough is like my favorite thing. Like you can't eat that. And I was like, yeah, I can. They're like, no, you're, you're on like a keto thing or whatever. Right. And I said, yeah, most of the time I am. Uh, but I normally

choose, you know, I normally choose to eat better foods in this. This is just what I chose for today. This is just what I chose in this moment. And this is going to come and go and that'll be it. And I'll be back on track tomorrow, you know, things like that. So the restrictions are, are a bitch, but they are not permanent. Thank you guys so much for listening. Anybody else have anything else they want to kind of part with or comment on before we take off? Thanks for bringing this to a clubhouse. It makes it a lot easier for those of us that are out there to interact. And it makes it, I think a little bit more less formal.

So it feels like a more cozy setting. And I can personally say it makes it much more comfortable to communicate with you guys. Yeah. I just, I just want to hop on here a bunch and let people, you know, let people know that we're here and you know,

we have some ones coming up that we got planned with, uh, guys like Michael Hearn and stuff like that. But I always wanted to have a fun kind of relaxed, uh, laid back feel to it. And as we progress, uh, with learning more about what this platform can do, uh, I got some plans on doing some seminar type stuff for people and people will be able to check that out. And hopefully they dig that. But I always want to be able to have the fans interacting because I think it's helpful. What you got over there, Andrew? They're bringing some cool monetization tools and group tools in the pipeline. They had their CEO on the other day. Joe Rogan was on here and almost broke the internet. They upped it from 6,500 people per room to 7,000, then all the way to 8,000 just for Joe.

And they were talking about the cool things you're going to be able to do as a brand and how it wants to support people like yourself who are creators of content, first and foremost, and how it's not going to cater to big companies. Yeah, we got to get to that CEO. We got to find that guy, get him on the podcast. Get him on our own podcast. I'll try and shout out to him, see if I can get him on here for you. If anybody can make it happen, it's you, Maddie. Appreciate that, buddy.

We'll try. Thanks everybody for listening. Uh, that was, that was fantastic. Uh, to hear like, it's, it's amazing. You know, I, I've been studying this stuff. I've been around this stuff for a long time. I, I know some of the, you know, kind of key a long time. I know some of the key players in fasting. I know some of the key players in keto. I know some of the key players in carnivore. I know people that research nutrition for a living. And I get to rub elbows with them.

But I get the most out of just listening to people that have just employed some of these diets and had these diets not work for them. And they say stuff that's just so compelling. You're like, man, I never heard anybody say that before. I think normally when we're seeking out the experts, the experts are just reiterating and regurgitating a lot of stuff they've heard from other experts. And they're regurgitating a lot of stuff they've heard from studies. But they have a single mindedness in that field and they can'turgitating a lot of stuff they've heard from studies, but they have a single mindedness in that field and they can't really zoom way out. And when you got a guy on there, like Russell, Hottie, uh, my brother, there's a bunch of people on there, Matthew Balcom,

a bunch of those people lost a bunch of weight. They went through a process. Our boy Wayne is in the middle of going through the process with his wife, Peanut. And, uh, it's just great to hear from those people because these are real people that they have these other jobs. They have these other interruptions in their life. And it's very easy to be compassionate towards understanding, you know, why they fell off in the first place or what happened. Because we just see it. We see it time and time again and it happens with everybody. Um,

so it's great to hear different people talk about what their struggles are, but most of the struggles, like I wish I had a stat on this. I'm actually see if I can look something up, but, um, most of the problems come at night. It seems like, you know, so if night is a problem, like maybe there's, maybe there's

a couple of rules that we can have that just make that nighttime easier. Um, maybe you just like, as soon as you're done with your dinner, maybe you don't eat another thing. Cause there's no reason to eat another thing. There's no need to eat anything else after you ate your dinner. Like you're already good to go. Same thing with grabbing a cup of coffee when you wake up in the morning. What are you getting your coffee for?

You were just sleeping. Like your sleep requirement, you should be well rested. And the people are like, I need a cup of coffee to wake me. It actually doesn't make any sense. And eating more after you just already ate doesn't really make a lot of sense either. So maybe there's some rules in there that you can put in and maybe it's not every day, but maybe you try that six days a week or five to just do it during the week, maybe weekends where you can be a little bit more relaxed or something.

So I think, you know, it's a good idea to examine some things that'll work for you. And I, you know, I'm usually seeing people really struggle, uh, towards the end of their day. And that's something that needs to be thought about. How can you attack that part of your day a little bit more efficiently? Yeah, dude, that was a fun conversation. I had a lot of just really cool hearing everybody's story. Uh, Matt, if you have something else to say, you can go ahead and start now. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I was just going to say with Mark, what are you saying?

100%, I think it goes, the way I looked at it was kind of that old religious saying, the idle hands are a devil's playground. People at night, they're starting to relax. They're starting to sit around. They're watching their TV or whatever. You're not doing anything, and you're not even really engaging your brain in a lot of those activities. So your hands just start going to junk food and just start stuffing it in your face. So I totally agree that nighttime is when it is hard to do, because when I'm at work and it's balls to the wall here, like I just, sometimes I don't even

have time to eat. So it's never a problem. It's when there is that downtime and I'm just standing around and I got nothing to do. My hand just like, you just, all of a sudden you realize you're stuffing your face with junk food because it was sitting on a table. And sometimes if you can get past that first little wave, that first little pulse to eat something else, normally you're fine. So maybe you could just have, you know, maybe some people that are listening to this can just try some different strategies. Like, you know, go on a walk, you know, as soon as dinner's over, invite the whole family and say, Hey, let's, let's go on. Let's all go walk together or let's go outside. And, uh, there's still some sunlight out there. Let's go throw the football around or something, just something

different. Because once, once like 10 minutes elapsed and you drink some water and you're kind of just hanging out, you're usually good. You're like, I don't really need anything else. I know it is comforting and it is like kind of fun to eat in front of a screen. I mean, even my dog, she'll like burrow next to you on the couch and then she'll be like, oh wait, I forgot my treat. She'll go and run and get her treat and then jump off on the couch and gnaw on her treat like while we're sitting there watching TV. And there we are doing the same thing.

You know, we're gnawing on her treat watching the TV. So there's something to it. you know we're gnawing on our treat watching the tv so there's something to it it like feels good to uh like kind of double down and uh you know getting you know be able to do that so yeah the only things that are overweight are us and our pets though right yeah that makes some sense yeah we fatten up ourselves and then we fatten them up anyway thank you guys so much for listening we'll be on here a lot more, and strength is never weakness. Weakness is never strength.

Catch you guys later. Punching the microphone.