Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP. 625 - Liver King Gets Called Out!

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Again, MerrickHealth.com. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. What are you drinking over there? What are you sipping on? Again, MerrickHealth.com. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Liver King guy getting called out. See that? I saw it because you pointed it out. You pointed it out to us. I did, didn't I? This big, fat mic's so high. It needs to be high. He got called out by James Smith, who recently I had an opportunity to hang out with when I was in London. I was on his podcast, and we had a great time. James seems like a super knowledgeable guy.

Starting point is 00:01:42 He's got great information. uh james seems like a super knowledgeable guy he's got great information um i like the fact that he uh you know just sticks to his guns on what he believes in in fitness and i think that's important you know i think uh he's not a huge fan of like a carnivore diet or keto diet or fasting fasting you know like he thinks a lot of these things are gimmicky and that's his own opinion um but he also, uh, is somebody who is a little bit more of a, he likes to kind of go back to communicating to people that, uh, you know, the counting of calories is kind of the, the main thing to, uh, keep people from, uh, I guess gaining excess body fat. It's, uh, you know, the overeating of

Starting point is 00:02:23 food and that there's not a magical diet. There's not, you know, some of these diets are fads and you should kind of, uh, you know, maybe there's not a lot of reasons to consider some of these things. Um, when I was on a show, we, we talked a little bit about carnivore. He actually seemed quite interested in it, especially cause I think he's been on Michaela Peterson's podcast. And so he was saying, Hey, I might want to give this a go but i was kind of surprised to see him uh calling out the liver king because i think the information that the liver king's putting forward is fucking awesome and i actually have been finding it really inspiring to see this guy walking around with 120 pounds of chains on his neck and holding holding uh kettlebells and walking

Starting point is 00:03:02 in the rain and just talking about uh training like a barbarian and all this stuff. So I've been thinking, like, this shit's really cool that the guy's putting forward, and he looks fucking jacked. What do you guys think about the eating feats? Like, just down in, I don't even know how many eggs, and, like, just shot after shot. Like, that's insane. Rocky style.

Starting point is 00:03:22 Yeah. What do you guys think about it? I think it's cool. Like, because, number one, we know that liver's healthy. We've had. Rocky style. Yeah. What do you guys think about it? I think it's cool. Like, because number one, we know that liver is healthy. We've had Paul Saladino on. Now, I don't know about eating raw eggs, but that's something in and of itself. But like his diet isn't unhealthy. He's just eating.

Starting point is 00:03:35 He's eating ancestral raw foods. Right. And a lot of people have looked like that for years in a healthy way. So there's nothing. I mean, it's different from what we eat now in America and modern day, but it's not, it's not crazy. It's just different from what most people put forward. He's eaten like tallow and a bunch of stuff like this. And I guess, you know, James's maybe bone to pick with him here is that perhaps the liver King is saying that he's natural. I don't really know.

Starting point is 00:04:06 Do you want me to read it? Yeah, sure. When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras. For decades now, we've seen athletes, in quotes, fill themselves up to the brim with anabolic steroids, then conveniently point to their supplement stack, which you can buy now and swipe up. Don't see why this is any different,

Starting point is 00:04:21 bar the fact that this geezer eats raw testicles. Guy's got a banging chest and beard combo, but he's about as legit with his word as Matt Hancock. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. James. Who's Matt Hancock? I have no idea. Is he one of the guys who signed the Constitution? That's what I was wondering.

Starting point is 00:04:39 Like, you know, write down. John Hancock. Oh, that's John Hancock. Who the heck is Matt Hancock? Maybe that's a UK thing. Yeah. Matt Hancock is a British politician who's okay. He's probably a slimy British politician.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Yeah. Man, James, you got it. You got to get the world in on this. We don't know what the fuck goes on over there. That's very, that's very true. But, you know, just my own take on this in general terms is that it's not great for us to have infighting in fitness. Sometimes it can help draw more attention to some stuff, but I think unfortunately it can be stifling.

Starting point is 00:05:18 I think that sometimes our actual personal feelings should be kind of put aside for the betterment of society in general. Because I think what we're trying to do, the liver king seems well-intended. It seems like he's trying to help people. What are his nine tenets? You know some of them, right? Yeah, well, I think he's just basically encouraging people to do some heavy-weighted carries. He's encouraging people to walk.

Starting point is 00:05:43 He's encouraging people to pay attention to their sleep. He's encouraging people to eat organ meats, eat proteins, eat fats, things like that. But what I'd also say is like, I think sometimes it's unfair to really place a lot of judgment. I'm not going to place a lot of judgment on somebody's diet,

Starting point is 00:05:59 especially a diet that I haven't really messed around with or tried with. I don't feel like a vegan diet would work well for me, but I haven't really messed around with or tried with. I don't feel like a, like a vegan diet would work well for me, but I don't have any idea. I've never really done it. So if someone professed that they, uh,

Starting point is 00:06:13 ran a four minute mile and they're on a vegan diet and they said, I should try it or something like that. Or I saw them on, uh, you know, YouTube or something. I wouldn't automatically just have my mind shift to thinking that they're taking performance enhancing drugs. I would actually kind of be like, oh,

Starting point is 00:06:27 shit, well, that's great that that worked for them. And even my own personal thoughts, I'm willing to put those aside to let that person flourish and let that person kind of get to whatever they can get to at their highest level. And I wouldn't, I would just personally not focus on that person. I would just communicate with people on people that I think that people should follow rather than trying to, I don't know, just take someone down. or sleep, connect, fight, whatever, right? Now, the whole thing on whether he's on drugs or not, I don't, it's important, you know, that people aren't lying about that.

Starting point is 00:07:16 But me personally, I don't think I can even have an opinion on that because so many people think that I'm lying, that I'm on drugs, right? Because he like, okay, he's jacked, he's lean. In the past, I think that I'm on drugs, right? Right. Because he like, okay, he's jacked. He's lean. In the past, I think that I would have thought that it's hard to be that way all the time. But until I picked up intermittent fasting and got more food control, I wouldn't have thought that you can be lean year round without having to be on something or feeling like shit.

Starting point is 00:07:40 And now that I tried some new diets that I thought were stupid, like I implemented some fasting, it's possible. And I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. This is something that can be done. So I think, number one, people need to, okay, you can worry about the natty or not side of things. But people need to just pay attention to what people are putting forward. Is he putting this forward and then saying, I got this way because of my supplements?

Starting point is 00:08:01 I got this way because of this supplement and that. Buy it and swipe up. No, that's not been any of his message. He's just been putting forward legitimate lifestyle things. And Brad Schoenfeld had a post about this, which I think people really need to start thinking about. If you're worrying about whether or not someone is taking performance enhancing drugs, then your priorities are in the wrong place. It's futile and counterproductive. drugs, then your priorities are in the wrong place. It's futile and counterproductive. Futile, my bad.

Starting point is 00:08:27 Focus on optimizing your own genetic potential. What others do has no bearing on your gains. Okay? So maybe pay attention to some of the things he's doing. If you want to get into the whole natty or not discussion, go ahead, but apply the shit and see if it works because some things might be beneficial for you. the shit and see if it works because some things might be beneficial for you. Yeah, the natty or not route, I think sometimes is very limiting on where people think they can go with their physique. And sometimes there's some folks that might say, hey, look, the guy's a little bit bigger,

Starting point is 00:08:56 a little bit more jacked than me. And I don't think I could ever obtain that physique. I will say, you know, he looks very vascular. He looks very lean. The shoulders look similar to some people that take performance enhancing drugs. But like, this guy looks like he gets after it every single day. And I don't really know if he's, what he's been claiming or what he's not been claiming in terms of whether he takes drugs or not. But again, I think the diet clearly has merit. We know that a carnivore diet is really useful.

Starting point is 00:09:32 We know that some nose-to-tail type of eating can be really useful and can be really beneficial to a lot of people. And who the hell knows what happens when you eat copious amounts of like liver and kidneys and heart and i know he eats like testicles and all kinds of stuff i think some of these things are to like sensationalize some of it and to get more views and like the the shots of the egg yolks and some of that stuff i think uh i don't think he you know is doing that all the time uh but he's just trying to get views and get attention because i think that he looks like he's on a fucking mission to want to kind of assist and help people.

Starting point is 00:10:06 So I don't really see anything wrong with what he's doing. I just think maybe some of what's going on is getting misinterpreted. I say this for all the young guys now because I really do think about this often. When I was lifting and I was younger, I didn't have YouTube. I didn't have Natty or Knots. That wasn't a thing. And even by the time I was 20, 21, you know, I've been lifting for a minute. But if I had all these videos saying, oh, this person is natural, this person's probably taking this drug and this drug and this drug, I would have not just continued to train and put in work. I think I may have done something because seeing where I am right now, I wouldn't have thought that I'd be able to look this way with all the training that I've done. But I was just training and I got here.

Starting point is 00:10:48 And luckily, I didn't have anyone in the back of my ear or fucking video saying, oh, you can't do this unless you're taking this. Right. And it's also interesting that, again, like James had that post. And again, a lot of guys that make these posts. James looks good, but he doesn't look like a liver King and he doesn't look, he looks above average. He looks great, but he's not super Jack. And it's not that you have to be, but a lot of people that make these videos, it's somewhat

Starting point is 00:11:12 in comparison to what they're actually able to do. Um, because for example, that Phileon dude, right? He looks strong and he looks good, but the people that he say aren't natural are all people that are bigger than him. He looks good, but the people that he say aren't natural are all people that are bigger than him. Greg Doucette looked great, you know, as a natural and when he hopped on whatever. But a lot of the people that he says aren't natural, maybe natural looked better than him at his peak natural form. So it's like it's all this like they look better than me. So, I mean, shit, they're probably on drugs.

Starting point is 00:11:41 It's kind of weird. I think the key element here is like the main thing to know is that we will never know so if liver king decides it's not his best interest to share information about whether he uses performance enhancing drugs or not uh it's a judgment call on his part to where he thinks it's probably not in his best interest because a lot of times people can't handle it. Yeah. Because kind of like what's happening now is people can't seem to handle it.

Starting point is 00:12:09 We will never know the truth. You mean handle if somebody is on drugs? They can't handle, yeah, like if he kind of said, hey, I'm doing this. I think in some cases, I think some people are thinking like people are going to view what I'm doing as less work and they don't and they don't want that stigma behind them and they just want to kind of and so I don't really

Starting point is 00:12:30 know somebody kind of dm me and mentioned like oh this guy said something about being natural but it didn't look like he said he was like natural in any way it just looked like he was kind of swerving around the question and just kind of being nice and just didn't want to get personal I don't think everyone needs to share their personal information. I don't think it's necessarily anyone's business. Now, if he's professing that he's one way and he's doing something else, that does suck and that's unfortunate. But look, the guy has started a fucking movement. And you're going to see people walking around in those fucking barbarian boots like he's putting on these heavy ass ankle weights.

Starting point is 00:13:05 You're going to see more people doing that. This guy is going to continue to catch fire. He's almost at 500,000 followers. He's got like 80 something posts. He's just he's lighting shit up. So I think and some of the videos that Andrew's playing over there, he's got like 10 or 20 people working out with them handling kettlebells. I don't see how any of this is negative even if there was a circumstance where he was lying because a lot of people lie about the sponsors

Starting point is 00:13:30 that they use um the pictures that that somebody takes in a magazine they're not necessarily using that fat burner all the time uh the different celebrities that you see on commercials that are doing voiceovers for certain cars and stuff, they don't drive those fucking cars. They're not driving a fucking Lincoln Navigator. Yeah. Probably rolling up to places in a fucking Rolls Royce or something. So, you know, I think, I just think that you don't miss the fact that there's a lot to be learned from a guy like this and a lot of other people that are kind of put on the hot seat and almost trying to be defamed in a way by others. I get what you're saying.

Starting point is 00:14:07 And I agree with a lot of it. It's hard to say because I do think that if you get into really good shape and a lot of it does take nutrition, etc. That's the biggest part of it. But even if you are on drugs, if you're not working out, whatever. But if you are taking some steroids or whatever it does make a big difference like it can make a i mean you've seen people's transformations when hopping on that shit's a big deal and it's you know if if you're just saying well people don't want to chicken broccoli and rice like yeah yeah no it wasn't just the chicken you're right you're right you're right

Starting point is 00:14:43 100 people all i did was up my carbs nah like it's definitely not just the chicken from Peter Rice. You're right. You're right. 100%. All I did was up my carbs. Nah, it's definitely not just the carbs, man. Yeah, people don't want to be deceived. You're 100% correct. But my point is that you're never going to know. You're never going to know. So people with you, they're like, that dude's fucking big, man. He's 240.

Starting point is 00:15:03 His arms are big. His legs are big. He's fucking strong at squats. He's you know like his arms are big his legs are big he's fucking strong at squats he's strong at deadlifts he's high level jujitsu like he talks about fasting like i don't know man like doesn't add up to me so people are automatically just like nah i don't care what he said i don't care what mark said or andrew said or i don't care if anybody backs him up or says hey i think he's natural they're like he's just not natural. Yeah. And the thing is, I got my blood work done again with Merrick Health because I was doing, for the past six weeks or seven weeks, I added in Fidojia, Grestis because of Andrew Huberman's suggestion, and Tonkat Ali to see if it did anything to my testosterone. So I took that test six or seven weeks ago.

Starting point is 00:15:41 I took another test recently. I'll get the results. I had a urinalysis test done from WNBF and I had another blood test from Eric Dunn, like four or five months ago. But the thing is, is like people ask for my blood work. I show them my blood work and I'm going to show the new blood work showing how these supplements, if they made a difference. Thing is, even when people see how normal all my levels are, the next thing is going to be like, OK, well, you definitely cycled off. And then if there's some way to maybe if I took blood tests every month and people were seeing that I'm not cycling anything. nothing that I can do or nothing that he can do if he is actually natural. There's nothing somebody that's natural can do if people believe they're on steroids because there's always something else

Starting point is 00:16:30 that can be proven that'll show that you did do something. There's no winning. It's a tough thing because even if people ask a lot of questions about it, if he was to say something like no comment, that's, you know, that's talking about it. You're on steroids. That's an indictment right and if you if you're too vocal that you're natural you're also on steroids because you're talking too much about being why would you be so defensive that's the one right why would you why are you getting so defensive bro you seem to get really hot oh roid rage roid rage oh. He's got Royd Rage, right? You know, that's a funny thing. Liverking, by the way, he avoided this.

Starting point is 00:17:14 I sent him a message and said, hey, like, you know, you want to do like impromptu like podcasts. And he just he ignored because I mentioned James Smith calling him out and he just kind of ignored it and said, I just can't wait to get to super training. I'm super honored and fired up to do a podcast with you. Uh, you know, when the time's right, you know, hopefully, you know, sometime in the near future, but he didn't address it at all. I thought it was kind of cool. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's like, if he is, which is cool, if he is, there's going to be a big percentage of people that just don't believe him because he looks great. Like whenever anybody in this industry says they're natural, but they also look way above average, there's going to be a certain amount of people that maybe they haven't been

Starting point is 00:17:51 training for that long, or they've been training for a long time and they can't achieve that. That are like that takes steroids. And that's just, there's nothing, there's nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. Anybody can do it.

Starting point is 00:18:03 You have to give him the power project blood test, I guess, when he's here, right? Maybe get him on a lie detector test. We can get Bob from the WNBF to come give him a lie detector and see if he passes. Get someone from the CIA to fucking see if his eyes are dilating and Andrew Huberman to check out all the vital signs and everything. But I'm curious, for the listeners, guys, what like for someone like liver King, right? Let's say he's saying he's natural. Cause I don't know if he said anything yet,

Starting point is 00:18:30 but if he's saying he is, what would it take? What, what would it take for, for, for him to prove it? What would it take for me to prove it? If I even could prove it to those of you who don't believe me at this point,

Starting point is 00:18:40 I also take, I also don't think that liver King's really trying to sell you on anything. I don't, I saw a comment from lane Norton saying, Oh, he looks like he's trying to peddle his products to people. And it's like, Lane's got supplements? I sell stuff. I'm not trying to sell people stuff that I think is going to hurt them. I'm not trying to do things that I think are going to be deceitful and not going to be helpful to people.

Starting point is 00:19:02 I believe in the products I made. I'm sure that Lane believes in his products. And I'm sure that Liver King enjoys having whatever partnership he has with maybe Ancestral Supplements or whatever other company he's working on or working towards. Ancestral Supplements, by the way, I've used their supplements before. I think they're fantastic. They make a lot of great products. We know how disgusting liver can taste for some of us.

Starting point is 00:19:25 Some people don't mind the flavor of it. I dig it. I've had it since I was a kid. And so for some folks to try to get liver in some other way, get it in a capsule or something like that, it makes a lot of sense. So even if he was trying to say, hey, I back these supplements. These things are great. They're helping me with my workouts. I ain't got no problem with that.

Starting point is 00:19:45 Absolutely. I got no beef. These things are great. They're helping me with my workouts. I ain't got no problem with that. Absolutely. I got no beef with it. No beef. It all goes back down to, I think, again, what Brad Schoenfeld said. I'm so happy that I didn't start lifting in this age of social media because I was able to just concentrate on myself, concentrating on falling in love with lifting, and seeing what my personal genetic potential could do.

Starting point is 00:20:02 And I'm happy with what I've been able to do. It's going to be even crazier in another 10 years and another it's, it's going to be crazier, but that's all you can do. If you're out here saying, Oh, they're not natural. They're not natural.

Starting point is 00:20:14 And that's why I'm going to hop on something because I know that I can't do that. Hey, that's you shooting yourself in the foot, you know, or not even shooting yourself in the foot. That's you taking that step, but don't blame it on anybody else other than yourself.

Starting point is 00:20:26 No one knows. No one knows what you could. No one knows that your potential. No one has any really real clue. I think we, we think we know, but we don't really know. We don't know what that upper limit is of how fast someone can swim or run or jump without performance enhancing drugs. We just assume that everyone in the Olympics nowadays and some of the stuff that we heard even on this show

Starting point is 00:20:47 kind of sounds like there's a lot of drugs being utilized in pro sports and in powerlifting and in strongman. But like I'm a big believer that not everyone is doing it. I just am not going to buy that every single running back in the NFL is on shit and every single person that's achieved some high-level shit who's fucking jacked, who's ripped, who's shredded, who looks great, who looks better than most people, who also puts in more time and more effort than some people. I mean, look, man, you cannot. There's something that one thing that is for sure that you cannot measure. And it's the size of somebody's heart and how determined someone is to fucking get somewhere.

Starting point is 00:21:27 And some people will do any and everything they can to rise to the top in whatever way they need to. Some people have so much genetic potential that they maybe don't have to always do all the same other things as everybody else. And people get super frustrated about that. And they get super jealous. Like, look at Phil Heath, The Gift.

Starting point is 00:21:49 What a fucked up name that is. Like, kind of cool because he's probably like, yeah, okay, I'll just wear that. I'm The Gift. But what a shitty thing to have to hear your whole life. Like, he didn't work for how big his fucking biceps were. It's like, dude, that's like one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. Let's not just, let's not just throw it towards, Hey, and probably genetically gifted.

Starting point is 00:22:10 And he took a lot of shit. How much shit was that guy on? He's on way more shit than everybody else. It's like, that's disappointing. Like all these guys are competing under very similar circumstances, um, in bodybuilding, you know, everyone everyone's uh on steroids for the most part in at that high level of mr olympia and all those guys are tremendously genetically gifted so yeah you just tip your hat to some of these people it's all you can do yeah that's that's like the

Starting point is 00:22:39 the biggest thing for me is when somebody who's not in great shape will point to somebody else who is in great shape and say ah it's because they're on stuff it's like you could take all that away leave the heart leave the hard work and they'll still be they'll still be in amazing shape they'll still look better than a majority of the population they'll just credit everything to whatever they're taking yeah drives me nuts there me nuts. There's always, there's always a reason. For example, pro athletes,

Starting point is 00:23:08 the one thing that people will always come back to is like, well, they have all the incentive to, and they have the money. So it would make no sense if they didn't. That's, oh, that people will use that one.

Starting point is 00:23:18 If I could afford a chef, I would look like that too. Yeah. But no, no, no, not even the chef thing. Like,

Starting point is 00:23:23 because they're so wealthy and they play pro sports, of course they're going to take steroids because now they have the monetary incentive and they have the, because they need to make more money. So why wouldn't you take steroids? Of course you're going to take steroids. They make money with their body.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Therefore, they would be dumb if they didn't. They would be dumb if they didn't. They say the same thing about movies too. People are like, if I was getting paid like that all the time you know i'd take shit for fight club or whatever movie i'm gonna be in with my shirt off and i agree it's all it's all again it all comes back to this is why i don't look like that that's all it comes down to everyone who's making those videos i don't look like that and if i did i would just be taking this or you know it's a translation

Starting point is 00:24:06 don't hate the player hate the game oh man i just i just uh i just think it doesn't serve us well to have this kind of infighting i think that uh the general population fucking needs some really good information and needs one of these movements from somebody to hit, whether it's me talking about a 10-minute walk or whether it's us talking about the carnivore diet or intermittent fasting or it's James Smith touting and professing some of the things that he has on his Instagram and his YouTube and his podcast or if it's Lane Norton or if it's the Liver King, whoever it is, I think these are all excellent people to follow. And I would say,

Starting point is 00:24:47 recommend after listening to this show that if you're not following both these guys, I would suggest that you do because both guys have good messages. James Smith's info is so fucking good. They have great information. Yeah. And that is a thing that I think is blocking us at the moment to make in more progress.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Cause I think we're losing. That I think is blocking us at the moment to make in more progress because I think we're losing. I think that there's more Americans are getting more fatterest every single day all the time. People are gaining weight. People have more access and more convenience to have food delivered right to their door. to pornography to video games to talking to people on the internet without getting up off their ass and like actually going to see somebody we this is the most depressed most angst anxiety society that the world has ever seen we have more people killing themselves than ever before we're fucking losing the battle and i think you know this might sound like a hoorah type of speech here but we need to figure out a way to come together so i'd like to

Starting point is 00:25:50 see more people uh kind of come together and recognize that the liver king and james smith they seem to be after the same thing they seem to both want people to be healthier and they both want people to prosper take us on out of here, Andrew. I will. Please follow the podcast at Mark Bell's Power Project on Instagram, at MB Power Project on TikTok and Twitter. My Instagram and Twitter is at IamAndrewZ. And Seema, where you be? At Nseema Inyang on Instagram and YouTube, at Nseema Inyang on TikTok and Twitter.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Just once again, please, guys, with whoever these individuals are, just look at what some of they're talking about. See if there's anything beneficial you can apply to your life and your fitness and your habits, and maybe it'll make a positive change. Mark? At Mark's Millie Bell. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never a strength. Just look at what some of they're talking about. See if there's anything beneficial you can apply to your life and your fitness and your habits. And maybe it'll make a positive change. Mark at Mark's Millie Bell strength is never weak. This week is never a strength. Catch you guys later.

Starting point is 00:26:30 Bye.

Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP. 625 - Liver King Gets Called Out!

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