Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP. 631 - The Danger of Porn Addiction Pt. 2

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

Today we are following up on our conversation with Andrew Huberman about Porn Addiction. We received a ton of feedback from many men admitting their struggles with porn and even some women telling us how their husbands are addicted to porn. These issues can range from erectile disfunction to divorce. This is a much more serious issue than most of us had assumed or want to admit. Conversation with Andrew Huberman about Porn Addition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7RMGUl_zSc&t=6s Conversation with Anna Lembke about Porn Addiction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3rXfuRA-gQ&t=23s Special perks for our listeners below! ➢Vertical Diet Meals: https://verticaldiet.com/ Use code POWERPROJECT for free shipping and two free meals + a Kooler Sport when you order 16 meals or more! ➢Vuori Performance Apparel: Visit https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order! ➢Magic Spoon Cereal: Visit https://www.magicspoon.com/powerproject to automatically save $5 off a variety pack! ➢8 Sleep: Visit https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro! ➢Marek Health: https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT15 for 15% off ALL LABS! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢LMNT Electrolytes: http://drinklmnt.com/powerproject ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Subscribe to the Power Project Newsletter! ➢ https://bit.ly/2JvmXMb Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

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We're rolling for sure this time. Let's go. So on this show, we've talked a lot about addiction, addiction and all different kinds of things. Some people believe that they're heavily addicted to food. And it's just a good idea to examine things that you maybe just have bad habits with, whether you want to call it addiction or not. The questions that you want to ask yourself is like, has this ever impacted your ability to get to work on time? Has it negatively impact relationships? And today we're going to be talking about an addiction to porn.

And we have some comments and stuff that Nseema is going to read from one of the podcasts that we do with Andrew Huberman. But we've talked about this topic many times. Nsema mentioned his own addiction that he had for about five years or so, right? 13 years. Started at 11. 13 years. And we understand the topic can be funny and awkward and weird at times, but I think we're all pretty aware of how problematic it can be. And for maybe some people, maybe they're not recognizing what an issue it can be. I will say that kind of just, you know, right off the bat, I would say that just because you're addressing or you're looking into addressing a porn addiction doesn't necessarily mean that you can never be

without porn. If you have an addiction, that might be the best route for you, just to not watch it at all. But also, I think that people think that once they do that, that they can't masturbate ever again, which isn't necessarily true either. And it means like you can't like fantasize or, you know, so I think, you know, as we pointed out in the show before and we've had, I'm sorry, it was the Dopamine Nation. Anna Lemke. Anna Lemke pointed out there were certain things for her that were triggers that she had to get rid of.

I think she mentioned even getting rid of social media, that that was a trigger for her. And I think it's really smart to investigate these things, even as something as innocent as looking at somebody else's Instagram that is not your spouse, that is not your significant other, and kind of overanalyzing every picture and video that they have. All these things can be highly problematic. Yeah, man, there's so much to cover with this whole topic.

It's kind of wild. But guys, if you haven't seen it, there's a video we have on the channel called Dangers of Porn Addiction or actually – let's see. Yeah, The Danger of Porn Addiction with Andrew Huberman. We talked about that a bit there. But there's a lot of issues. One thing that I want to say off the bat because I got a lot of DMs about this. DMs about this. When guys are asking, well, what's, what's like, there's doctors say that there's nothing wrong with masturbating or actually masturbation is healthy for you, blah, blah, blah. And number one, yeah, masturbating is fine. There's nothing wrong with masturbation. I think

one of the big things is that for some reason, a lot of us are equating pornography with masturbation, like that they're, they're mutually exclusive and they're not. You can have masturbation without pornography. The main thing that I've been trying to attack and the main thing that I've been trying to help people think about a little bit more is their porn use because porn isn't normal. We've made it normal as a society because number one, it's hard for guys to talk about it

because it's kind of embarrassing. It's kind of a taboo subject. It's not something that you talk about with pride. And it's just, it's everyone, like when I was in high school, and if it ever come up, every guy watches porn, just normal. It's totally normal. But you got to think about how big of a super stimulus it is and how abnormal it is. Before the internet, if somebody wanted to see porn or whatever, you'd have Playboy magazines and maybe you'd have VHS tapes. It wouldn't be as stimulating as the stuff you have now where you can go to any website. You can type in any category that you want, any type of woman that you want. And if that video gets boring, you can find

another video in a few seconds. If that video gets boring, you can find another video in a few seconds. And the thing is, is your brain doesn't necessarily know that you're not having sex with um you're not having sex with any of these eight tabs that you have open it thinks that these are your these are your your actual mates and one of the big problems is the novelty aspect of it um i think it was called the the coolidge effect okay the coolidge effect is a it was a study done on rats where they had rats having sex in a cage or whatever, and they would bring out a new rat. And every time the rat got a new rat, boom, the rat would be able to go again and again and again with a new one. But if a rat was forced to stay in there with one, over time, it would get used to it. It would take a little bit more time, the refractory period,

meaning the amount of time it takes to have sex again. So like with porn, you have the stimulus where you're getting new girl after new girl after new girl. And over time, that becomes very problematic because you're not actually doing this in real life. You're doing this in front of a screen and you become used to that. So there, there was a few comments like there was one guy. You get desensitized to a lot of stuff. You get desensitized.

Like there was one guy who made a comment and I got a lot of DMS like this. Um, one guy was like, for me, I noticed that I was no longer physically excited as much by my wife stopped all porn. Now, if I see her getting naked for the shower, I'm excited. Like when, uh, we first got together, what a difference. Um, and then there was another guy, I think there was another guy that kind of echoed the same sentiment but I think that's one thing like I got DMs from guys that were mentioning something like that and even women

that were mentioning that they were having problems in their relationship because of their husband's porn use it's difficult there's some stuff in certain cultures and certain religions where you're not even allowed to see the woman's like actual uh hair on on their head um there's there's certain you know

and there's uh other things like um you can't show anything like uh above your ankle you know and in some of these cultures and some of these things, you know, the women are, I guess you'd say it's like suppressed or whatever. But anyway, the point is, is that when you cover stuff up more, when there's like an unveiling of it, it's like a beautiful car. You know, you have a car like under the, you know, you put a beautiful car under like a tarp. You know, you have a car like under the, you know, you put a beautiful car under the, under like a tarp, you know, when that's, when that's revealed at some point, it's, it's a lot more exciting because there was a lot going on in the imagination that you never did

actually see until it was time to actually see it. And there's appropriate times for it. And there's times that probably are less appropriate. There's also probably a difference, I would say, between nudity and pornography. Although there's like, you know, it's a close line, right? But, you know, me looking through some nudie magazines back in the day and seeing some boobs and some of this and some of that is quite a bit different than like seeing anal, you know, the girl's got two fingers in one spot and getting it from the back and while sucking on somebody else's whatever. That's a lot going on in a scenario like that, right? It's much different than like, oh, like I'm just curious about women and the female body and like, holy shit, this is amazing.

This is new. This is exciting, right? There's definitely got to be some sort of difference in your brain of seeing those two different things. Funny story, bro. When I was, god damn, I was a little thief. When I was like 14, I think, 14 or 15 15 there was a Barnes and a Borders no it was a Barnes and Nobles by by by my house and they had little playboys in a section right so what I'd do is I'd go through the front and there was a back door right so I'd go through the front I'd take a

playboy make sure no one's looking to go into the bathroom rip off the plastic open the magazine take off the little thing that would put off the door alarm put that shit in my bag and i'd go oh shit i jacked so many it was that easy yeah just you just got to go to the bathroom with it but um andrew huberman had a bar um He said a picture is worth, I think a picture is worth a thousand words or something, and a video is worth a thousand pictures. Kind of showing, hopefully I didn't butcher it. You guys can go to the episode and see it, but hopefully I didn't butcher that. But he was more so talking about how videos, because number one, you see everything, and it's so so accessible and you can get whatever you want, right? And as men, we're super visually stimulated. It's, again, that's why it can lead to such an addiction and such a need.

And here's another comment. We can go down this road. I think just to clarify, I think you said a picture is worth a thousand words and a video is worth a million words or something the video is worth a million pictures million pictures there yeah yeah yeah there we go um but a lot of math going on in that this is another comment which i think like because i think a lot of guys can relate to this and this even happened to me um when i was trying to because like for me i told you guys i've been watching i was watching porn from 11 to 24 when i was 16 17 i kind of understood

how it was affecting me like i got on the nofap forums and all that and i was like like damn like it is messing with how i look at women it is messing with like a bunch of things so it just took me a long time to quit because i had to build better habits had to get rid of triggers but this guy mentioned something he said i'll just say that when I was a young man, watching adult entertainment had a serious impact on my sexual performance relationships with my girlfriend. I'd have trouble getting an erection, keeping an erection, or sometimes I'd even have trouble finishing. And I was only 23 years old at the time. After realizing that I was hurting myself and my relationship with my significant other, did a two-week detox no adult entertainment and no fapping doing that fixed those problems

immediately my relationship with my girl was better the sex was way better and best of all ended up loving and respecting my girlfriend even more I can't stress enough how horrible and how destructive adult content can be for men's mental and emotional health regardless of their age that shit happened to me when I was in my relationship with my first girl that I had for four years. There was a period of time where I was like, the fuck, what's wrong with my dick? Like, but the problem I was having, it's called porn-induced erectile dysfunction. Because you build the habit loop of having the cue of whether like sometimes you're bored

or sometimes you're lonely. So you watch some porn, you watch a few different videos. That's the way you get yourself off. And now when you're going to go have sex with your girl or something, you don't find that you're as aroused. A few reasons, but one of those reasons being because you see this hyper stimulus of different women in porn and then you try to come and have some vanilla sex with your girl and it's not as stimulating. So you imagine as a young i was young and healthy i wasn't you know but as a young healthy dude my my dick's not getting hard what the i i realized like shit this is because of porn like it's it's a real thing if you go on the forums and type in porn induced erectile dysfunction thousands of stories of

dudes that are like yeah i experienced this when I was 20-something. I quit. I was able to get off. And boom, everything is so much better. Yeah, and to try to figure out what the answer is, it's not really clear on what the answer is for each individual person. But what I think is a good idea is just to examine and just think about how often do you watch it?

How into it are you how many how many different things did you have to get through to get to the point you're at now like have you gone through like hundreds and thousands of videos of porn to find out that you like this specific type of porn and that you know a lot of the names of like the porn stars and shit like that i mean you might be you might be in a little bit, you know, over your head and there might be, you know, something to just think about and consider on how you can work your way out of it. Yeah. It's, it's, it's really fucking crazy. And I think there's, there's an interesting thing, you know, like one question that a lot of guys have is

exactly like, if I'm not watching porn, then how am I supposed to deal with stress? Like if I'm sexually frustrated, right? But again, number one, if you've been like I was, if you were so used to using porn as like when you're horny, just watch a quick video, get yourself off, go do the other shit you got to do because you can't focus, right? horny, just watch a quick video, get yourself off, go do the other shit you got to do because you can't focus, right? If that is the way that you are used to de-stressing or being able to focus on other things, you need to give yourself time to learn how to use your imagination. Because if the easiest way for you to get off is by watching porn, you're going to find it impossible to use your imagination

or even to use pictures, right? To do that because it's not as stimulating. Again, think about this. There is no other time in history where like we were able to see so many images of naked women, et cetera, than now. Even before the age of the internet where there's magazines and VHS tapes still doesn't compare to what we have now. Because now you go to any website, you can get literally anything you want, thousands, thousands of videos, as many times. It's too much for us to handle without us affecting us negatively. So there's nothing wrong with masturbation, but you need to get yourself to a point where you're able to get yourself off of porn. We can talk about how you can do that. that tired me out that honestly by the end of the day even if i was horny like and i was trying to fight against watching porn i've done so much that i don't even want to right you know what i mean

and if you have so much energy to do things and you have if if you find yourself because i'll be real here i found myself in a place where um if was, I would have certain triggers. So if I was like kind of bored and I was alone on my computer or it was late at night and I was, you know, I couldn't sleep because I would be like, I can't sleep. Let me just bust out a video. There'd be certain cues like, oh, you're bored. You're lonely. You can't sleep. Pull up a quick video. That'll, that'll, I built these habit loops that I had to figure out a way to figure out my triggers and figure out other routines so I could actually quit. But if you put yourself in the same situations that you always found yourself watching porn, you're going to continue doing that. If you

don't figure out what those triggers are for you, if you don't figure out what those routines and those loops are, you're going to keep doing the same thing and it's going to be fucking difficult to quit. Another option would be to, like, if you can't beat them, join them kind of thing. Maybe watch some porn with your partner and explain to them some of the different stuff that you like, that you're into. Like, hey, I, you know, I happen to really, I really enjoy this. I like this a lot. And maybe it just opens up conversation where you can both figure out a way to get comfortable with some of the same things. I don't think that porn is like necessarily bad. I actually think that there's,

there's probably a lot of good, might sound funny, but it's probably a lot of like education that comes from porn and porn has kind of set trends for all kinds of different things even like with people's pubic hair and stuff like that i mean you know without porn we probably wouldn't have all the shaving that we have going on nowadays big old bushes everywhere yeah y'all don't like a good bush as long as it's not out of control a throwback yeah yeah hey whatever whatever's going on you know yeah okay i feel like this is this is a place for some um some healthy disagreement um so i know i have a bias because number one i started when i was super young and i saw how it affected me and just because it affected me negatively doesn't mean it affects everybody negatively. So I can understand that. But even so I, I'll, I'll say, I think this, you know, we, we were talking before the episode, um, when, because of the time that

high speed internet started and a lot of guys ended up like me, I got on an, and a lot of guys ended up, like me, I got on at 11. A lot of guys ended up getting in at 12, 13, 14, 15, where you are building in certain deep-rooted habits. And your brain is super plastic. Number one, you shouldn't be able to see people having sex in your teenage years. When you're 15, 16, it's such a stimulus that's like

it's it's hard for you not to want to watch that a lot especially because you're a teenager you're fucking horny all the time like porn is like oh it's candy right you can't control the amount of candy you eat at those ages and because you get all this free candy all the time at your fingertips, you can't necessarily see how it could be negatively affecting you. And now you set in these habits that push into your adulthood. So, number one, as a teenager, all your other homies are like, this is normal, right? Again, this is a different type of porn. This is high-speed internet porn. All your homies are like, this is normal, right? Again, this is a different type of porn. This is high-speed internet porn. All your homies are like, this is normal.

You're used to watching it every day, maybe just checking off just once a day to some different videos or whatever. You don't think it's a big deal. But now as an adult, right, you didn't have that self-control in your youth. It's just something that's normal for you. That can be an extremely rough thing, especially now. Let's say that you do. You finally managed to get yourself into a successful relationship, but you've had the habit of watching so much porn because you did it since you were a kid. As much as it could be somewhat beneficial to share that experience with your partner, it's still something that you're probably overusing because again it's not like playboy

it's not like a just a magazine it's not like a vhs tape where it's like one video this is it's a candy store that has all the candy that you could ever want and now you need to try to get yourself to back off from that and it can it causes so many might be a gateway type of thing to yeah yeah yeah and but this is this is the here's the different thing i think this is the different It causes so many different types of... It might be a gateway type of thing to, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But here's the different thing. I think this is the different of the viewpoint between myself and yourself.

I was part of the generation that was the testers of high-speed internet porn. I got the internet in fucking 2006, 2007, right? You got high- speed stuff later like when you're like but you even mentioned like you got vhs tapes when you're like 18 but when did you get high speed internet porn yeah it was until probably around the time you got it exactly but i was much older you were much older right and at that time that that probably doesn't affect your outlook on it as much as it does for individuals in the millennial generation, individuals in Gen Z. We're kind of being brought up with that.

And that's very different from seeing magazines and VHS tapes. You mentioned something interesting. If you had a VHS tape, you couldn't just watch it anywhere. We have phones, right? You couldn't just watch it anywhere. You'd have to be like – Yeah, we only have one VCR player. right? You have to be careful with that. But now we can see it whenever, as much as we want in any type of situation. If we're not feeling good

about ourselves, if we're not feeling confident. And the thing is, is like, you now have these habit loops where you're not feeling confident or you're feeling bored or whatever. You set those in. Now, when it comes to the seeking, because number one, like, okay, not everyone has to be in a relationship or whatever, right? But to have the confidence to go out and try to find a girl that maybe you're interested in or have the confidence to do that. A lot of men lack that confidence because they have an easy out because of porn. Like they're like, it's not saying that the only reason you seek a partner

is just for sex, but sex is awesome. So you're doing that, right? But if you're getting this easy, this easy out with pornography where you can see any woman you want and not just any woman like these women are extremely attractive you know what i mean like porn in in a sense is also kind of morphed the way men view attractiveness of women because you find your your kink the things

you're into whether it's big ass or big old titties. And now you can find that to the highest level with someone with big old fake lips, who's an amazing shape. And you're watching that all the time and masturbating to that all the time. All that stuff comes from porn, like fake tits and the fake lips and the fake butts. And now you go out and you're like, I'm going to go look for a woman. And let's say that you can't find somebody that looks like that but you find a nice girl but she doesn't look like the girls that you've been beating your meat to for years like she's got a big ass but she doesn't have big tits forget it right right exactly it it it puts these

meanwhile the dude just looks like a fucking turd i mean mean, let's be real. Like as an individual, you probably have a lot of things you could work on too, but your attraction is being formed by these unrealistic videos that you're watching on a daily basis. You got to figure out how is that morphing my ideas? How's that morphing my motivations? How's that changing the way I even look at women? And I noticed that that was changing the way I was looking at women. I was like, ooh, this is a beautiful person right in front of me, but she ain't. Fuck, what's going on here?

Right? Again, I think there's a big difference when one starts young on that versus if you were like 20 or 21 and you got your hands on that. It's easier to kind of not be morphed by it. It's going to happen when the metaverse hits too. And VR, I mean, you know, we're talking about a different version of it now. And we're talking about like the kind of evolution of, you know, magazines to videos

to high-speed internet now to this leap of virtual reality. I mean, if it feels like, so if your, if your brain is having a hard time recognizing whether it's true or not, whether it really happened when we get this in like a virtual world, uh, we saw how shaky we were walking across the turf thinking that we're on a plank because we had the VR headgear on. What is that stimulus going to be like and how unrecognizable will that be? I mean,

I can actually envision it right now that there'll be breakups over that. You did what with who? Yeah, but I... No, it's a virtual... Did you see the Black Mirror episode with Falcon Woes, Anthony Mackie? Oh, dude, that got so weird. So weird. but it's not it's a virtual did you see the black mirror episode with um falcon woes anthony mackie oh dude that got so weird so weird but yeah that shit was going on there

something like that yeah well so it is it's really fucked up it's just so we ruined we yeah go ahead no fuck it watch it anyway people need to watch it because i'll just whatever so two buddies we play video games all the time buddies men two men sorry thank you yeah uh they start playing this fighting game the new like system comes out you put like a thing in your ear and then you're virtually there so this dude's main character is this big jack dude this other dude's main character uh i think it's a chick yeah yeah yeah the friend is a chick friend is a chick. Yeah. And then they start fighting. And the next thing you know, like they like hug each other and they start kissing.

And he's like, wait, what the fuck do you like? You're a dude. You're in this thing. Meanwhile, what is it? Falcon.

I forgot his name. Anthony Mackie. Papa Doc. He is married. His buddy's single. Then they see each other after and it's like all awkward and shit. But then they keep wanting to go back and see each other's like avatar in this fighting game pretty much fuck each other's avatars because and they go they go down on each other meanwhile this dude's wife is like what the fuck so like they start getting separated and i won't spoil the end but like it's like whoa what the fuck

just happened like this got so weird but yeah what you're saying mark is absolutely true because like what you're saying just with tabs our brain can't decipher like is this real or is this not real? Yeah. So with VR, like we know it looks like a big cartoon, but our brain's like, nah, dude, don't jump off that ledge because you're going to fucking die. It feels like it's uncomfortable. Yeah. You know you're not there. When it gets to that level, I mean, you're right, it's going to be super weird.

I'm like, dude, you've been in VR all day. What the fuck are you doing? It's like, oh, you've been with that chick again? I'm empty, bro. Yeah, right. Too many money shots in one day. But the thing is, we already have VR porn. People can put on headsets.

You know how people can watch movies with vr people can go to porn hub and have their headset on and be fucking just watching that shit so when when that is it's gonna be a different show when i have those goggles on all this mark mark yo hang on one second one second you just bang the desk like all right what's up guys just walking around with tissues all the time you always have a cold anyway but that's that's the thing like that's gonna be what we're fighting against because

i think like guys in the comments chime in in and let me know your thoughts on this because, again, some guys are like, oh, it's not a big deal, et cetera. But I think we're already seeing what high-speed stuff has done to the millennial generation, has done to men in the millennial generation who are now fighting themselves and trying to get themselves out of that, trying to get themselves out of having to watch so much of that or feeling like they need to. There's going to be an even more potentially pervasive aspect when it does come to VR because now, like, you're in there, right? And there's, I mean, if y'all have watched Ready Player One, did you see Ready Player One? I have, yeah. When we get them body suits. Yeah. suits, it's going to be crazy. We're already there, dude. It's very, like, it is very Ready Player One already right now.

It's just the first versions of it suck. And as far as what you're saying about, like, your generation versus Mark's, like, I'm, like, literally in between you guys. Yeah. And, yeah, I have friends that did have the, the fast internet access first. And it was like, God damn,

like you got a lot of porn. Like, this is awesome. It's like, I'm wire baby. Dude. I, yeah,

it was even, I forgot the other, IRC or some shit like that. It's just like a crazy torrent one. But like, I didn't have, I didn't have internet access till like towards the end of high school, but then like fast internet,

I was like already out of college my couple semesters I spent there. So like for me, it's not a problem. Like it's not an issue at all. But when I did have access to it, I'm just like, okay, yeah,

let's do this. But then it was because I gained access after I was already sexually active. And I think that is very important because I'm like, this is awesome, but not as awesome as the real thing. And I more want, I wanted to pursue that more than this. You know,

there was some incentive there because I had experienced it. And what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Like if I didn't experience the real thing before an alarm going off there is i wouldn't have uh been as so like pumped to try to go after chicks in real life no incentive is a huge part of it and what happens after you masturbate you're like you're pretty chill you know you're pretty like take a little nappy poo you You're pretty calm. And it's just like being hungry. I mean, it's not something that is meant to necessarily be acted on all the time right away. Although it may feel like an emergency at times, you'll be able to live through it. And maybe there's

some other habit you can put in there and say, I'm going to go for a run or I'm going to go on a walk or I'm going to go lift. And maybe if the urge is still there, maybe you fulfill the thing that you need or whatever. But I think that just knowing that it's not something that you have to get to all the time immediately I think is important. Absolutely. One thing to think about because there's a comment, I don't know if Andrew is able to find it or not, but the comment about

social media. Yeah. Yeah. From, I don't want to say who, I guess we'll just keep that. Where did it go? I lost.

I made a comment public, but okay. Yeah, I know, whatever. He says, I'd love it if they talked more about the gateways

to porn, like Instagram and TikTok. On those platforms, depending on who you follow or the algorithm, you are fed hot chick after hot chick talked more about the gateways to porn like instagram and tiktok on those platforms depending on who you follow or the algorithm you are fed hot chick after hot chick until that builds up to which opens up the thought process to the next step being porn yeah and that's how you just said that uh i don't think that's touched on enough for teenagers on instagram tiktok is porn which i 100 agree with because yeah same with my like my personal feed i yeah i had

to clean it up because every time i'd get on there i was just like oh shit and then you know like i've heard mark talk about it like if you're paying attention to a chick on instagrams but you know more than you're spending time with your wife whatever however you had put it it's like okay you know he's totally right like okay like muted muted muted muted muted a bunch of people but then i'll log on to the the podcast account to post something and then somebody will come up and i'm like oh shit like i forgot that this was he like i just i don't see on there anymore so like i literally forgot that like oh fuck that's like runs rampant there and yeah dude it he's you know starts to get the uh the blood flowing in the wrong areas and we're trying to get some work done and it's like fuck okay cool those i think those things can

definitely be gateways i think a big difference um with social media is there is like some censorship to it so you know it's only going to be so um it's only going to be so like seductive, I guess. But again, I think it's, it's about time. You know, it's like the time that you spend doing something like, is it interrupting? Like, let's not try to make everything out to be a problem. And let's not look for problems where there's not really a major problem area. However, I think that we can all agree that social media is a problem. We can all agree that pornography is a problem and it's not necessarily a huge problem for everybody, but it's something for everyone to have on their radar. You know, the human body

has a bunch of different sensors in it that if I'm to start to bleed, if I got cut, my body will recognize that and it will cause clotting of blood and the blood flow will eventually hopefully slow down depending on how bad the cut is. We need detection in our brain for this technology because we're not wired with it. We didn't originally come into this earth with a propensity to be able to figure out how to get off of social media. We didn't have a propensity to figure out how to get away from things that are so enticing, like certain foods and certain... So you have to develop a skill set that, number one, you always have to be in recognition of these things, make sure you're not falling in too deep.

And number two is you need a coping mechanism for when these things are at your fingertips, when these things are kind of in your face 24-7. You need to be able to say, like, I'm going to go do this instead or I'm going to go switch to this other thing when you get into those moments. And then maybe even also recognizing another important factors is recognizing what are things that are triggers or gateways into you continuing this bad habit or really acting on the bad habit. The things you pay attention to is where your focus is going to be. Like for me, one of the

big things in terms of being able to actually quit successfully was like paying attention to where my attention was going and when i was on social media when i was on instagram like when i'd see certain things on my feed i'd sometimes i would go down a rabbit hole oh nice nice pornhub.com like.com. Like that would be the rabbit hole. You know what I mean? So I literally did one of the same. Yeah, you weren't getting exactly what you wanted. So you went right straight to the source after a while.

Exactly. You went right straight to the source after a while. And that's why I made it such a mission to literally whenever I would see any of that on my Discover page on Instagram or on my feed on Instagram, I would just put not like – if you go to the three dots or whatever and you click not interested enough, Instagram will stop showing that to you. I don't get any of that shit anymore. It's rare. And when I do, I just click not interested. And my Instagram is filled with fitness, entrepreneurship, self-development shit. That's where my feed is.

But that's also, oddly enough, where my feed is. But that's also, oddly enough, where my focus is in life too. Same thing with TikTok. And TikTok's even wilder with it because now it's even shorter. And man, the type of shit on TikTok, like the ass and titties on TikTok, bro, like that is, and I feel like it's even crazier because now you got young teens on that and they don't, they're not paying attention to what they're paying attention to. They're just like, I like ass. It's just going down, right? But that will and is a gateway for a lot of people. And you need to pay attention to what are my constant inputs?

Is this where your focus is, that's going to continue to be one of the reasons why if you do think that porn is an issue for you, that's going to be one of the issues why you find it so hard to quit. You should pay attention to it. Pet Project family, this holiday season, listen, I want you to give yourself or your friend or your partner the gift that keeps on giving night after night. I'm talking about that eight-sleep mattress, baby. The eight-sleep mattress. Right? What do you think I was talking about that eight sleep mattress, baby. The eight sleep mattress. Right. What do you think I was talking about, Andrew? I don't know. Well, it's actually more exciting that it is eight sleep now. Right. Exactly. The eight sleep mattress is such an amazing mattress because you can cool your bed

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I would do, you know, if I had access to stuff at an early age. I actually think that like maybe I didn't even have a learning disability. I just think that all the blood was in my dick all the time. I was walking around with a boner all the time. I think that, you know, it would have been a huge distraction to have all the different stuff that we have access to now. And even something as simple as being able to talk to a girl in a different way via like a text or something would have been really helpful for me because I was super shy. I wasn't, you know, that's probably where my mind should have went to. My mind should have went to, Hey man, you know, you should figure

out what to do with this boner that you have 24 seven and, uh, you know, have some, have some balls and go talk to a female. But that was the last thing on my list. Cause I was like, this is, there's no way I'm not going to fucking talk to anybody. That's so funny. That just, when you said that, that reminded me. Cause like, yeah, all we had to, so like, I remember just hanging out with a buddy of mine. We were always just, you know, walking everywhere. Cause we didn't have a car, didn't have a job and obviously didn't have no chicks.

But like, that's literally the one pursuit every single day. It was just like, dude, where's this fucking like, where's some chicks at? And then it's like, if they ever did show up or whatever we have no idea what to do but yeah that was like always the number one thing and we had no way to like access any of it the way we do today yeah it's that wow that's really funny just a trip down memory lane walking to the mall hoping that there might be a chick there that you're not going to talk to that i'm not going to talk to exactly yeah that's the best part yeah because i'm gonna not talk to her and do things that i have no idea what to do with or how to do them no but but but seriously guys like you know if if you find it that like um let's say that you do find it hard to talk to women or whatever, one of the things to do is, because there are a lot of these fucking YouTube channels that are like, oh, how to have a game, blah, blah, blah.

I think more so, we talked about this a little bit in the episode about modern women, and guys were angry in the comments. All we literally said is just work on yourself like like work on yourself and by working on yourself don't just mean like you know like yeah build habits to get yourself in better shape read more to learn more you know so you can develop yourself read things and learn things about getting better at your job, business, whatever, develop yourself more and it will become easier. You will gain more confidence to be able to talk to women confidently. But if you're not doing that, right, and you're not really spending time and improving yourself because literally everything in all of my feeds are improving myself, right? That is the thing that you,

like if you focus on that, it's going to become so much easier to have so much more confidence when approaching women because you're confident in yourself when it comes to your fitness, when it comes to your mind, when it comes to the things that you do, right? But a lot of guys do say like they don't feel as confident because they're spending a lot of their time or majority of the time kind of focusing on some fake virtual woman. You know what I mean? So it's again, quitting that and building better habits. Cause you can't just, it's not just easy to quit. You have, like I was trying to quit for six years, you know, like, like really like I'd, I'd stop for maybe 30 days and I'd relapse and it happened again. I'd be like, fuck, I'd stop again for like, maybe I'd go on a 90 day streak. And then, but because I didn't have strong, strong habits and set that was deterring me away from that. When I'd have, when I'd be again, bored or tired or, you know, just, just lonely or whatever, I'd turn to that right so it's it's like you need to develop yourself more so you can get out of that and maybe find someone who's interested in you and you're interested in them yeah if you're

developed and you'll be attractive you know you'll be attractive to somebody the odds of you being able to get a girl will increase if you know how to play music, if you know a second language, if you are a material expert in anything, really. I mean, look at the amount of pussy that people in like, you know, bands get, you know, musicians and stuff. I mean, it's like it's ridiculous. So and those are people that honed in a skill. Those are people that worked on themselves. And then they're able to have that talent. And it shows it shows some sort of resilience.

It shows some sort of ability to stick to something, to make some sort of commitment. And I think those are things that are usually pretty attractive to people. One thing I think is really important to understand is that you can't make someone like you, you know? So I think, I think that that is probably, uh, that's probably an easy place for people to go. Easy place, easy way for someone to think when they're thinking about, um, you know, having like a girlfriend or a boyfriend, they're thinking like, I'm going to make this person laugh, or I'm going to make, I'm going to, uh, take this person to a nice dinner, or, or I'm going to make this person laugh or I'm going to make, I'm going to take this person to a nice dinner or I'm going to show this person a really good time. And those are all

things that you can do. But they're not going to really enjoy the time unless they really enjoy you. They have to like, they have to just like you kind of naturally. And there is sometimes like, it takes a little while to get to like know somebody. So it might not be like right off the bat how super obvious something is. But I would say two major things I think are important are you can't make somebody like you. And you probably shouldn't mess around with dating somebody unless you're pretty serious about them. Like just don't even like because once you get locked into like the dating thing, then you're in there for a while and i think that a lot of times ends up uh holding on for too long and so continuing to

continuing to tell somebody that you're not a couple i think is a good idea because that other person will eventually say well that's not what i'm looking for and then you know like that you're not necessarily looking for a commitment but i think a lot of times people are, the reason why I'm bringing this up is people are kind of forcing themselves into situations that they really don't like. And then they're perpetually fantasizing about it. And this is not just men. I know that on the show today, we're talking about our own perviness, but there's fantasies going on on both sides. There's actually an old comic that I remember seeing, and it's got a man and woman in bed, and they both kind of have their hands kind of on their head, like they're kind of stressed. And there's a thought bubble over

both of them, and it says, what's the matter? You couldn't think of anybody else either? both of them and it says what's the matter you couldn't think of anybody else either and those kind of things happen when you're not in the correct spot you know so this is a huge it's hugely important to uh your future that you don't try to make somebody like you don't force that shit and take your time take your time with getting into some sort of relationship. Yeah. And this is, the whole dating thing is interesting too. Because I've been, like, I haven't seen this whole year, right? And I literally have told myself I'm just not going to be in a relationship for a while.

Because I spent four years in one, right? just not going to be in a relationship for a while because I spent four years in one right so the the thing is is like as a guy I mean some guys are looking for a relationship which is good but you know I'm very open with whoever I'm with or talking to that right now I'm not getting into a relationship it's not going to just just I'm just gonna staying single for a relationship. It's not going to just, just, just going to staying single for a while. And it's necessary to be open about that. Don't let, cause I think there, there, there is a time that I kind of, kind of let myself fall into a relationship, right? That was my fault. I let that happen, but you gotta be sure, you know, you gotta be fairly sure before you get into one of those or, or, you know, get into a monogamous relationship. You gotta be very certain about that.

And that's a whole nother topic in and of itself. Um, but yeah, take your time. Okay. Like, cause there's, there's billions of men on this planet.

There's billions of women on this planet. Don't have, I'm not saying you shouldn't commit to somebody or whatever. Cause everybody has their different ideas on commitment, especially now the whole red pill community thing. Um, but don't have a scarcity mindset about that that person that you really like is not the only person out there there are many others any uh anybody any females message message you about possibly being addicted to porn because i know you don't hear it at all but i'm just curious there are a few women that that because like if for for some resources if you guys are interested in learning

more about like good ways to quit and how it could affect you there's a there's a website called yourbrainonporn.com um it was by this guy gary something he just actually recently passed away but he had a TED talk about it too. And then there's the website nofap.com, which also has a lot of resources. But I did get a few DMs from some women and it was few. It was few. Some DMs from women were talking about their significant other and how they're trying to help them or how their significant other getting off of porn has helped their relationship but there were a few women that that did talk about like how they had struggles with quitting it's

just it's not you don't see that as much like even the woman that i've talked to in person because i've talked to quite a few women about this topic just curious about like their potential uses etc and women just, in general, a lot of them tend not to have as much of a problem with just not using porn. They can kind of take it or leave it, most of the women I know. Yeah.

They don't really care that much about it. They might like to watch it here and there, but they just don't care. It's not something that's on their mind all the time. And it's not like they don't, like women love sex too. That's not it. They're just not, it seems that there, it doesn't visually draw them in as much as it does for men. And that can even, honestly, that can be, that can stem all the way to the way sex is in porn is very, it's made for men. It's literally made for the way that all the positions, the way women look.

A few women have mentioned this to me before. Yeah, porn isn't that attractive because the sex doesn't seem that great. Because it's literally made in a way that we're like, ooh, yeah, this is nice. But a lot of women don't view it in the same exact way. There's not a lot of different types of dudes either in porn. They all sort of are very similar, it is nice. But a lot of women don't view it in the same exact way. There's not a lot of different types of dudes either in porn. There's just like, they all sort of are very similar, it seems like. They all seem a little grungy, you know what I mean? With all very less than average-sized penises, right?

Right, guys? They're smaller. Yeah, those are small. Some tiny dicks. Yeah. Were we having this conversation? I think this is most likely okay this is a funny thing that i think we were talking about one day y'all ever find it weird that like

like when i was watching porn if if the it's gonna be mad weird but you know if the dick was like kind of like the dick was kind of small be like hey what i need a bigger dick nobody's enjoying this right now it's never quite right i've talked about this before in the gym like with a bunch of the guys and i and i was like hey i was like i just want to point out to everybody that this is very a very homosexual tendency but you're definitely double clicking on the bigger dick don't even fucking lie about it you know you're clicking on the bigger dick why is that you need to like you want to see a bigger weapon being utilized i mean i don't want to see rambo come out there a little pea shooter

i want to see our arnold you know i want to see him fucking mowing down the forest oh fuck yeah like it's like yeah man i mean i mean let's not even get into like you know yeah porn dicks are massive man know. Yeah, porn dicks are massive, man. But you know why porn dicks are massive? Because porn women are actually pretty small. Did you know that? Man, I did some rabbit hole digging when I was younger. I was like, why does this dick look so...

Wait, she's five foot? That's why she needs two hands. But she's tiny. Got it. He doesn't actually have a nine inch dick. Probably more like seven and a half. Hey, that guy's

dick's only three inches bigger than mine. Not four. Fuck. I'm over here getting all down on myself.

It's only a foot longer. Not that big of a deal. Not unless you're Lexington Steel. Oh, man. Unbelievable. They knew who I'm talking about. There's some talented people on porn. longer it's not that big of a deal uh nonetheless you're lexington steel oh man unbelievable they knew what i'm talking about there's some talented people on porn man it's wild yeah it's wild

i think mark you had kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier but has there been any i don't uh like i guess maybe it being like a red flag or something, or has anybody said this has been part of the issue with porn period, but like watching it with your partner? Like I think there was a comment, I lost it, where somebody was saying like that was the only way that they could actually be with their partner was like if they watched it together. I don't know if like somebody said like if you're going to do it,

maybe, you know what I mean? I just think that like porn is like a good way to like... if somebody said, if you're going to do it, maybe... You know what I mean? I just think that porn is a good way to... I get what you're saying. To kind of see things played out and to... Maybe a woman's super nervous to mention that she would really like a vibrator or something. But most of the time, I think, I guess within reason, if a girl mentioned anything that pleasured them, I think most dudes would be like, yep, I'm in.

You want that done? Okay, good. Yeah. Oh, you want three extra guys? All right, let's hold on. Slow down there. Let's hold up on that one, but everything else we can work on. Yeah.

Well, like, what's it called? Like a Kama Sutra bookra book right like everyone's kind of like yeah go for it yeah the positions and all that shit yeah but like porn it's i don't know it seems different and that's more like where i get mark's side of things saying like like well shit hey if you're a dude that is like damn that's really what i'm into like hey wife like check out what this chick's doing like can we try that yeah she says yes and fuck that porn sucks compared to what you're getting now uh-huh i think that could be beneficial yeah yeah no i i can see that i can see that i have seen some like there again y'all can check out

the nofap porns through this but there are a few guys who – and that can be done in a healthy way. But there are a few individuals who needed to – needed that to be able to get turned on enough to be with their partner. So that was actually something that they needed to do so that they could then be aroused enough to be able to have successful sex with their partner. That's where the rabbit hole gets dangerous. sex with their partner. That's where the rabbit hole gets dangerous. It can be used as an educational tool, but again, you got to pay attention to, am I still aroused by the person I'm with? I mean, and obviously everyone needs to take care of themselves. You as a man need to take care of your physical wellbeing so that you're attracted to your partner. And ideally your partner is taking care of themselves so they're physically attractive to you.'s it's then again the the pervasive aspect of it is like when you're

seeing all of these just just ridiculously attractive individuals in these videos and chances are your partner doesn't match up to what a porn star looks like and but that's the person you might be having sex with for a very long time can you maintain that and does porn give you a better ability to maintain your attraction to your partner or does that pull your attraction away because i would assume my assumption would be that for many young men porn actually may pull their attraction away from the person that they're with and again this is again within the context of a monogamous relationship, right? Because within that context, you're supposed to be able to, you're supposed to want, or like you have made the decision to do this with this person, right? So does that help you or does that hurt you overall? And many men have talked about straying away from that, straying away from porn and getting themselves away from needing that

has increased their attraction for their partner. I would also say at the same token that male or female, it is your job to continually be attractive to the person that you're with. You know, you got to put in an effort because like, I know some guys that go like weeks and weeks without anything. And some cases it's even worse. And they joke about it. Like I'll hear people joke about it.

I'm like that's just not funny. Like that's – I mean weeks and weeks without sex, right? Yeah. And sometimes maybe just two, three times a year and stuff like that. Like people are sleeping in different beds and all kinds. And I know, you know, there's a lot of challenges with being, with being together with somebody.

But at the same time, it's like, there's certain things that need to be done for both people to be satisfied. And I don't think it's, I don't think it's necessary. I think all this, I think a lot of times these wants are automatically put into a category of like, you're being selfish.

But if you're not getting what you need and you're not getting what you want, I mean, originally when you got married, you probably most likely were having sex quite a bit. And then just to have a huge drop off and to have, you know, one partner just not really care if they're still attractive and maybe not wear makeup or not do some of these things that they used to do uh you i think as a guy i think you're like well fuck it man i'll just watch a lot of porn i don't want to cheat i don't want to do this or that and so this is my route and now that's very hard to come back from like it would be a really difficult situation to come back from yeah no there's a lot difficult situation to come back from. Yeah, no, there's a lot there.

There's a serious amount there. Both people need to definitely continue to work on themselves, work on, continue to try to be attracted to their partner, men and women. There's no harm in saying that because that helps.

I think with women, while they may not be as attracted to porn, which I don't really know how true that is or not, but it just seems like men have more of an issue with porn than females. But females might just have a different source of pornography, as was pointed out by Anna Lemke, who was reading a lot of erotica stuff. And there's romance novels and all kinds of things like that. And again, I don't think, I think we need to be mindful of all of our fantasies, no matter what they are. It doesn't matter what it is.

You want to be a multimillionaire. You just need to be mindful of it because what happens when you don't get that? Are you dissatisfied all the time? Are you upset with yourself? Or can you kind of be congratulating yourself the whole time? Or could you be satisfied with a lot of the stuff that you're doing in the journey, in the process to get towards your ultimate goal or your fantasy or whatever that thing is that you're dreaming about? ultimate goal or your fantasy or whatever that thing is that you're dreaming about. But if you are always kind of dreaming about being the best or being perfect, I've seen that like rot people away too. So you have to be very, you have to sort of, you hear it all the time, you got to

live in the moment type thing. But I just think we need to just be mindful of the fantasies that we are setting out. And I think that when it comes to pornography, the stimulus is just, it's too high. I mean, most people aren't going to be able to live a lifestyle that's like a Tony Huge. That's like some of the people that we know that have open relationships and stuff. And even in talking to those people, those are not the relationships that we know that have like open relationships and stuff and even in talking to those people those are not the relationships that you think they are those people face all the same

you're probably like yeah right but in talking with Kyle Kingsbury and other people that have like or have had open relationships Aubrey Marcus yeah and they're like this okay yeah it has some cool components to it,

but in the end, it's very difficult. Just like being single is difficult. Just like being married is difficult. All of it is always going to be difficult. Just be really mindful of your fantasies and of the different input that you're taking in every day. And on the podcast, we talk a lot about nutrition and how, you know, you can find

anything you want at the supermarket. You don't even have to go there anymore. You can have food delivered to you. Highly palatable food is one of the big reasons why people over consume because they're able to get like these things that don't even make them full. They can just keep eating and eating and eating. And we try to talk about so many ways that you can control yourself, eat protein, eat fiber, do things that will allow you not to have to eat as much food so you can stay in good shape, have some self-control.

That's physically. And there are so many other realms where self-control comes into play. Porn is, internet porn is like highly palatable food because it's at your fingertips. You can have as much of it as you want. And we know what the Coolidge effect does. You know, a new video, a new video will get you aroused. You can do that over and over and over and over again. It has the same type of effect.

And it would be wild to think that it doesn't change certain things as far as your brain chemistry is concerned, just like people can be food addicted. It changes their chemistry as far as food is concerned. The same thing can happen here. All we want is just to have some self control over it. And if there are aspects like don't just because it's seen as normal, that doesn't necessarily mean it actually is. You know what I mean? Like, like that was one of the things in high school, everybody did it. So I was like, no, that's fine. It's normal. Um, but you think about your grandfather, my grandfather, how many naked women did he probably see throughout his years? Probably, probably less than 20 or 30. probably less than 20 or 30 bro i've seen thousands i've seen thousands of pussy you know what i mean and i'm not talking real life pussy you know i

mean that's not normal man it's not normal i think we're just not nearly as grateful for stuff as we used to be either like um when it it comes to our food and stuff, you're mentioning just having access to all this food. Imagine if we're in a tribe and somebody killed a buffalo and we would have this giant celebration. And it's like how different that is to have a fire and have some warmth

and have fur from the animal or whatever keeping you warm and you're you're you're consuming it and there's like a big ritual that goes on we don't really we don't really celebrate that shit as much as we used to and i think when it comes to even something like sex i just think that maybe we're just not even in the moment i think sometimes you're not like viewing it of like holy fuck fuck, this is really cool. This is like an awesome experience to have with somebody else. You know, so I think all these things are kind of taken for granted,

especially with how much we see all the time via social media and the internet. Yeah. Guys, chime in in the comments. Like, talk to us about this. Like, if you're open, talk to us about some of your experiences, whether you disagree with what I'm saying, whether you disagree with what we're saying here and you think it's not a big deal. I'm curious about your thoughts about it because I can understand how I have a bias because of how it affected me and what I saw. So I get that I may have a bias there.

But it might be different for some individuals who are older. You had a very different experience, Andrew. Oh, I thought you were pointing at the mic. No, just killing the spider first we need a new studio you had your first sexual experience before watching porn right my first experience was with porn you know what i mean so uh no there was a vhs tape i remember at a cousin's house and but it was like like how do you check this out it's like i remember being like oh my god they actually do suck on the penis like i thought they just said that in the movies yeah

like i just remember being like shocked like oh fuck yeah super educational yeah so chime in in the comments and talk to us about this guys because like in that last video a lot of you guys commented and it was really interesting seeing all the different experiences that you men have had, you know. And then eight, if they're open to age too, because there's a lot of people that are like, oh, there's no big deal. Like, don't worry about it. And then other people like, oh, it's ruined my life. It's like, I'm curious if there is like a certain like break off where like if you're over 35, it's like no big deal, dude. But then like, you know, obviously under, maybe it was.

And another thing for you and Seema I wanted to ask is one of the comments that we got was somebody just said, is watching porn and masturbating once a day considered addicted? And maybe if you can help some of the listeners like, hey, like maybe this is a sign that you are addicted. Like is there anything that you can help some of the listeners, like, hey, like, maybe this is a sign that you are addicted. Is there anything that you can help? I'm not going to go out and tell somebody if they're addicted to something because addiction is a big, bad topic, right? But I would say this, you know, like, Andrew Huberman in his podcast, he mentioned how porn can potentially lead to lower testosterone, right?

And there are so many people in the comments saying like, actually, viewing porn can increase your testosterone, blah, blah, blah, and defending it. But think about what you generally feel after you watch porn and masturbate. Masturbating is healthy, right? Masturbating is healthy. I don't think porn is healthy to be perfectly honest, but masturbation is a healthy thing. I don't think porn is healthy to be perfectly honest, but masturbation is a healthy thing. And if you find that you're doing that every day, watching porn and masturbating, after you typically bust or ejaculate, you're usually kind of tired, usually lethargic. You're usually like, I could take a nap or I can eat some food right now.

Relaxed. Relaxed and chill. Um, and if you had some energy to do something else, do something physical, you know, do something that took some effort. Cause usually after you watch some porn, you're not like, I'm going to go read a good book or we'll take a good run. You're instead like, I'm chill now. Maybe play some video games or some shit. At least that was me. Might not be the thing you want to do every single day but i'm not telling you you're addicted i'm just telling you to evaluate take your time and evaluate what is it

that i typically do after what is it that i'm typically feeling like afterwards do i feel great about myself do you feel good about yourself after you do that every day or do you feel like oh shit i should have done something else just think think about that for yourself. I know personally, I'm not coming at this from a religious side of things. I'm coming at it just from what science shows about it. I didn't have the energy to do other things that I really wanted to do. I didn't have certain amounts of motivation to do other things I really wanted to do afterwards because I was legit tired. Prolactin increases, you want to chill. You know what I mean? So evaluate that for yourself and see how you feel. I think that like sex wouldn't even be the same without porn, you know, because you've seen so

much shit in porn, male and female. I've seen so many different things in porn that I think it's opened up like our sexual expression. And you wouldn't really know certain things. You wouldn't even know certain things could be done or done a certain way unless you've like seen them before. So it's a fascinating thing, but I think that sex would probably be more, a little bit more straightforward. Obviously, there's always still going to be people who get creative with it. But I think it would be a little bit more straightforward if it wasn't for porn, if you just never saw it in the first place. People asking about whether they're addicted or not to it. I think the main thing is addicted or not

you're just trying to think is it is it something that has like a net negative in your life is it is it negatively impacting like for somebody listening to hip-hop it might not make them think that it might not make them have uh certain thoughts about females because they're called a hoe or bitch in bitch in a song. Like they might just think like that's just the lingo of it and it's just fun. And I think it just goes along with the words and goes along with the beat. So each person is going to have their kind of own interpretation of some of these things. But I think when it comes to, you know, it comes to words being said, I think it's easier

to kind of shrug those off when it comes to being stimulated with the amount of different videos and shit that you can watch. I think that it is probably a little too much. It's a little too much for us to handle, I think. It is. You know that. There have been Kama Sutra books for fucking centuries. People have been loving sex forever. Now it's just, like you said it's a little it might be a little too much yeah i think the the thing that i never really paid attention to was the the high speed internet access because yeah like there were vhs tapes and there were

magazines that you could you know hide under your bed mattress or whatever yeah but that's like two scenes though vhs tapes like what maybe two or three scenes good yeah oh my gosh but yeah the fast internet i hadn't really thought of that really because even like with the first iphone right like it was kind of a piece of shit yeah i don't remember if you could even get porn on that the first iphone i don't think you had a browser that could like play video at that speed iphone i don't think you had a browser that could like play video at that speed you didn't but it was i've just get that circle forever yeah yeah i remember having to wait fucking ages just for one photo like i didn't have fast internet for a long time like we had dial up but like uh i remember all like i sat there and waited like an entire like lunchtime

just waiting for a picture of trish stratus to load up trish stratus oh wrestler yeah just a lot but it's been like that was worth it i don't remember that remember those things used to like upload to and they would be gigantic on your screen first and then they would shrink down is it like dude yeah that but also like like what the fuck's this guy looking at yeah but then it would it would also load like line line oh my god line yeah like i think we're getting to her boobs this is gonna be big it's like of course it would stop loading right now damn it but yeah yeah i never considered like speed of internet actually being like one of the biggest pushers of it i had so much i had so much um fun in high school um yeah

hey bro let me see your phone real quick man i gotta look something on my phone's not working going to the search what's eighth street latinas brother you know like what's this you know how to delete your history bro and then i remember this is okay this will this is embarrassing but like i remember legitimately not knowing that shit was scripted oh meaning like uh somebody would come up to a chick at a gas station that she couldn't pay for her gas or whatever or some shit like that and then she would be like well i can you know pay you in other ways or whatever but it was like uh like the reality tv style it wasn't like a like casting couch i guess so but

like it wasn't what i'm saying though it wasn't like like a camera was stationary and like here's like two actors shot like the office yeah yeah it was like oh fuck like this is real and i remember being like oh dude that's fucked up and then a buddy of mine being like like you're fuck you're stupid like dude she's a porn star like this is all a scene act oh like thanks for ruining my life yeah i'm like now i can't get off oh my god i thought this was a real possibility but this is the way this woman's gonna pay for her rent yeah i was just gonna hang around wait for somebody to not be able to pay for something pause but but pause real quick let's analyze this real quick as funny as this is

y'all realize how problematic this is? Oh, us joking about it? No, not us joking about it. Because we can look at the comedy of it. But when you're a youngin', let's say you're a teenager or whatever, and let's say you see Casting Couch. You don't realize Casting Couch is fake. Like this young, impressionable woman is coming into an interview. And he's like, well, you know, if you want this job, you gotta suck my dick.

You're like, oh yeah, let's go go but y'all realize that's not good like that's kind of fucked up it's very it's horrible it's not good not good hey harvey weinstein that's the real life casting couch that's true well yeah it's a real life casting couch oh my god right yeah yeah like i'm gonna do whatever it takes to get into power i'm not gonna have to worry about talking to chicks i don't have to worry about being smooth i'm just gonna get into power and be like if you want this job yeah it's it's so like that's the thing man like i mean we can joke about it because we know we're not we're not out here like but like people who aren't paying attention like you you can see how if you're not paying attention how that can make you that can make you think certain things and

think certain ways you know what i mean i mean if you go to that your brain on porn website there's been a lot of research to show how porn kind of informs how men actually view women and potential like violence against women, et cetera. So as again, it's funny, like we can joke about this shit, but there are real ramifications to these scenes and to the way they put

these things forward where it's just like, Ooh, you really think about it. That's not good. It's nasty. Hey, in hey in some ways but yeah guys come below i think we uh anything else what else comes to mind no i was gonna look through some comments again just somebody just saying like this is the dumbest thing ever hey and i'm just i'm positive that that's an older uh viewer i remember my, I don't know why he was,

I don't know how we got in this conversation, but it's me and my brother and I'm, I'm driving and my dad's in the back seat and my dad, you know, he's older, so he can't hear as well. So like when he talks, he's like kind of shouting and he's yelling from the back seat.

He's like, he's like, who in the hell doesn't know what a casting couch is? He's like, he's like, everybody knows what a casting, he's like, even I know what a casting couch is. He's like he's like who in the hell doesn't know what a casting couch is he's like he's like everybody knows what a casting he's like even i know what a casting couch is he's like i remember hearing about casting couches like in the 60s and 70s he's like that shit's been around forever we were wait really me and my brother just dying laughing because we're like kind of like does he

even know what a casting couch is wait did he did he know like we didn't ask him i was gonna let it go i don't know what he's talking about. You got to ask your dad. Like, Dad, when we were talking about casting couch, what did you mean? I really want to know. Yeah, he's like, this shit's been around forever. I don't know if you've ever seen the show Mad Men. You ever see that show?

Yeah, I saw Mad Men. That was a good show. Yeah, it has a lot of that kind of stuff in it. And that's supposed to be in the 70s or something like that, I think, right? Yeah, Mad Men, I think, yeah Mad Men yeah Mad Men I think was like I think it was like 60s 50s

yeah 60s 70s was Mad Men great show what was his name John Hamm great actor in that yeah who knows

the casting couch been around for a long time man casting couch could be some fucking ancient history we could have casting couch like hieroglyphs

yeah okay there is one more thing I wanted to I have casting couch like hieroglyphs. Yeah. Okay. There is one more thing I wanted to bring up and it was just a comment and I've said something like this in the past too, but pornography is a good way to not have to seek women out for sex. It saves a lot of women from being, well, this is a bit much, but it saves a lot of women from being used to keep men satisfied.

If we were to get rid of porn in the world, we would have a lot more problems. And I had mentioned like, again, like high school, early college days. Like, yeah, if I did have porn, maybe I wouldn't have like focused only on chicks and like, you know, put like certain things out of my life because i was trying to get chicks instead of pursuing like if what we've mentioned before like leveling up it was always like no let me just focus on this but if i had porn maybe i would have just been like actually i can focus on other things but i don't know what your guys's take on something like that is when you have an easy out because okay before what we have now like people in the 1900s 1800s people have always been seeking sex like i think andrew hooper mentioned it's one of the highest

like levels of dopamine release that you get from sex right so people have always been seeking sex so now we have something that um is a super stimulus that instead of seeking sex, you can just watch some porn and have an easy out instead of learning how to control your horniness. Because like we're all going to get horny, but do you always have to respond to it by watching porn and jacking off, right? You learn how to deal with that. You learn routines. You build habits so that sex isn't always the only thing on your mind. But now we have porn. So, oh, when I get horny and I'm thinking about sex, let me just go beat my meat real quick to a video and come back and do what I need to do. Easy out. Just like, oh, when I get hungry, let me just fucking grab a Snickers. Let me just grab something. Let me just get this easy out rather than learning how to control my habits and building habits that will allow me not to have to

eat every single time I feel hungry. Well, maybe you don't have to beat your meat every time you get horny. Maybe you can learn to do other things or learn to shift your focus in a healthier way. It's an uncomfortable, well, it's not in a healthier way. We, it's, it's an uncomfortable, it's not even uncomfortable. Yeah. It's somewhat uncomfortable if you have no way to outlet it, but just because it's somewhat uncomfortable doesn't mean that you can't

learn to control yourself. It's an easy out, in my opinion, not like if that's the thing you turn to all the time, it turns into an easy out. I agree. I think, I think, uh, you I think you look at what food has, the progression of food and the fact that we don't have to really seek it out. It's a small walk to your pantry or to your refrigerator or to your front door if you've got DoorDash or something like that.

And it's just – that's not the way that we're, we're not really designed for that necessarily. And we are designed to, uh, be able to resolve conflict. We're designed to fight. We're designed to run. We're designed to jump. We're designed to do all these things. Um, but we don't have to do, you know, half of these things anymore. I thought you were going to say, we're designed to fuck. Yeah, we're designed to do that too. But I mean, I think most, you know, I think all animals are designed to do that pretty much. But with humans, you know, we do, you know, also pursue it for pleasure as well. But I just think that

there's a part of human nature that it's set up a certain way for certain reasons. And when it comes to sex, I think that it's set up in a way that you're supposed to pursue it. You're only supposed to be able to have sex for X amount of years. These are all things that are kind of, but they're all things that are being thrown off by today's society where we're trying to help people to live longer. There's pills and stuff that people can take. There's things that people can take to help them get pregnant. There's things that people can take to help them not get pregnant.

There's things that people can take that otherwise, you know, maybe some of these encounters, maybe they wouldn't, maybe it still wouldn't be on the table in the same way that it is now. Yeah. And so it's just, it's readily available and, you know, kind of easy to get to via, you know, some of the technology that we have today. And I'm just kind of wonder, you know, if people don't start to develop skills, having coping mechanisms towards the things that we're addicted to here in the United States, what's that going to be like

when Ready Player One type shit hits? Because we're already so addicted to pharmaceuticals, so addicted to drugs, alcohol, pornography. When things start to get a little bit more real via like virtual reality type stuff, I mean, that's going to be a huge hit on our society, I think. Absolutely. It's going to be crazy when we get there. But watch that Black Mirror episode.

Just watch Black Mirror in general. Yeah. It's amazing. It's really good. The credit score, the social credit score, that shit's been going on in China. You remember that episode, Mark? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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