Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP. 667 - GOATA Coaches Gil Boesch, Gary Scheffler & Ricky Stanzi: Reclaim Your Birthright

Episode Date: January 27, 2022

Today we are joined by the founder of GOATA (Greatest Of All Time Actions) Gil Boesch and GOATA Coaches Gary Scheffler and Ricky Stanzi. GOATA was created through analyzing movement in slow motion video. They studied the crawling variations of babies, indigenous tribes and super athletes that avoided non contact injuries. Find and hire a GOATA Coach here: https://www.goatamovement.com/ Subscribe to GOATA on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/GOATAMovement Follow GOATA on IG: Gil: https://www.instagram.com/goata_loco/ Gary: https://www.instagram.com/gls_training/ Ricky: https://www.instagram.com/red_pill.rick/ Coach Bam: https://www.instagram.com/goatabam/ GOATA: https://www.instagram.com/goatamovement/ Seiza Chair: https://amzn.to/3r27O8g Perks for our listeners below! ➢Bubs Naturals: https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢Vertical Diet Meals: https://verticaldiet.com/ Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% off your first order! ➢Vuori Performance Apparel: Visit https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order! ➢8 Sleep: Visit https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro! ➢Marek Health: https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #GOATA#MarkBell#GOATAMOVEMENT

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as well as the podcast show notes. Ready, Ron? And we're rolling. Yeah, go for it. All right. Everybody's got to be serious. You guys got your serious faces on? Hold on a second.

Hold on. Super serious. Hey, what is going on with the way that people move? Like what, you know, years ago I met Kelly Sturette, and I was pursuing powerlifting. I was going after it with everything I had. I hit a 942 pound squat. I was really working on my movement. I was trying to figure things out. And I actually recognized that I had a lot more power, a lot more strength when my feet were

straight. A lot of people weren't in agreement with me. I kept thinking about it and working on it. I had this wide stance and I I started finding some people that did agree with the method and did agree with what I was doing with these squats. And one of those people was Kelly Sturette, who talked a lot about straight feet. So I went from a 942-pound squat. Kelly helped me correct some issues in my back. Not necessarily back pain, but just technique and form. I would round over a lot in my squat. And Kelly was just like, hey, let's have you. I was overarching. I would have a huge bow in my back

every time I would squat. And that was leading me to round over actually when I went to do my lift. Anyway, long story short, he shows me some movement patterns. I practice these movement patterns. I get my hips to open up a little bit and a 942 pound squat, which was already pretty good at the time, turns into a 1080 squat, which is the most I ever lifted. I recognize then that your movement pattern is tremendously crucial. And Kelly was a guy that would whack me, like literally hit me, punch me in the stomach if I wasn't standing the right way and things like that. And I noticed that you guys have a lot of that implementation of the things that you guys are doing.

What is wrong with our society? Like what is some things for people to kind of hone in on? Why are people standing so wrong? Like how did we get to this point? Yeah, that's a broad question. It's a combination of sedentary lifestyle so you didn't see this stuff in the 50s um and then these cool recliners started to come out and then the cars got a little bit more comfy and and then you know and then in the 70s

arnold and all those guys started and uh and you know They just fed this pattern we call WOTA, this mathematical pattern. It's just our society now, the beds, the shoes, the patterns, and the training create this sort of epic failure at the joint level. Talking about the shoes, I think that's a great visual for people. So you stuff your feet into a shoe that doesn't allow your toe to spread. And our feet should look a little bit more like our hands, but our feet have really gotten mangled. Our toes are kind of overlapped and people's toes are all jacked up. But if you think about sitting and some of these other things that we're doing, we're kind of stuffing ourselves in a position every single day that we're not supposed to be in,

and if we are supposed to be in it, it would be just momentarily, just for maybe a few minutes a day. It wouldn't be something that we would really just sit in this fixed position for long periods of time, right? Yeah. Yeah, those sitting marathons that we all have to go through, whether it's in a car or in a desk at work or at school, we would want to be going through that sitting marathon on the ground. And some of those ancient shapes that are across culture all over the world, whether you look at crisscross applesauce,

Seiza, samurai, cowboy posture, these are shapes that kids get into instinctively that they're not taught how to do. And it's, you know, the kids in Cleveland or a kid in Bangladesh are both getting into these shapes. So it's not that sitting or rest is bad for us. It's actually good for us. It's the opposite side of movement, and it's much needed to keep this complex moving system tuned up. So where we should be resting is on the ground. That takes us now and takes us from the chair, which is that front chain dominant. Picture yourself sitting in a recliner, folks, and your hips are underneath your ribs.

And it takes that, and now it moves the hip behind the rib. So you stay in a back chain dominant posture as you're getting that parasympathetic system to turn on. You look down at the bottom, at the foot, at the platform, like we've talked about these last couple of days, how crucial it is that the way that foot starts is going to allow the ball and sockets up the column to behave correctly. But now you look at the way most shoes are designed, super narrow toe box, which immediately makes you kind of want to start to flare your foot, sort of like a flip-flop. You start to point your toes out.

You start to point your toes out. That starts to take that ankle and move it down and in, take that shin down and in, like we've shown in the patterns where now you're away from the security. You're not setting that good bow. You're not letting that ankle get into that back outside corner of the socket. Everybody's foot's starting to get flare. Their ankle's starting to tuck down and in.

Big picture concept is it's compression, right? The hips are being pushed underneath the ribs. They're being pushed forward. The ball and socket columns are being suffocated, and the platform at the bottom is just giving out. The arch is collapsing now. So the majority of humans you'll see that have chosen to wear a bad shoe, we don't know, we were putting shoes since we're kids, or they start to sit for a long time starting in first,

second grade. And then all of a sudden these little aches and pains start to add up. Like Gilly said, from the fifties till now, the search for comfort has only been heightened, right? The iPads are, you know, better than ever, the phone. So everything's kind of feeding this front chain dominant behavior. If we know that we can make smarter choices by going from, you know, a sitting desk to a floor desk, changing your shoe option to give you a little more toe space, let the feet start to get corrected and let the body get back to its decompressed state. Yeah, you know, I got a good analogy for corrected, and let the body get back to its decompressed state. Yeah, you know, I got a good analogy for that, which is if you buy a car, it comes with tires.

If you buy a trailer, it comes with tires. And there's manufacturers, specific amount of pounds you put in that tire. When you look at Goda, the tire's on that number. When you look at Woda, it's a flat tire. What's Goda and Woda? GODA is the greatest of all time actions, and Woda is the worst of all time actions. So it's just something that we created to describe it. It's easy.

It's easy to teach. We all know what the GODA is, so it was easy to kind of feed off of that. One of the other things, too, when me and Gilly was like building this whole thing out and stuff and, you know, he came to me with these concepts and stuff. My wife was pregnant at the time and we ended up having two kids like back to back. And I got to see the natural like we was able to go back to nature. My wife would call me on her way to school and be like, their shoes are already off. They don't want to wear the shoes. They didn't want to have them on because it's almost like this instinctive, like knowledge that they have to protect themselves.

How many kids you see at like, like going around town, they got one shoe on, they're always pulling them off. It's always been right there in front of us. And what we did is we just started to pay homage to nature. We looked at the babies, the indigenous, and they got a piece of leather strapped on their foot. And it is. Think about putting your hand in some kind of device

that would keep the hand closed off all day and then take it off in the evening and see how you would feel. It's going to start affecting the chain. You're going to, you know, especially if you had to load your hand all day. I find it really interesting like what we, like in modern day, like what we search for and what we're seeking to help solve a problem is like kind of the opposite of what we need. Like you're thinking, I'm in pain.

This hurts. My back hurts. I need to sit down. I need to rest. I need to – and that sometimes can be beneficial, but for how long? Do you have to sit down every 10 minutes because your back hurts? Well, that means that something's off. It means something's wrong, right?

It's how we rest is the problem because what we go to for comfort has become the actual source of the problem. It codes the wrong movement. Like taking diabetic medication or something like that. It might be better to just be on a plan that's going to assist with that. Mark, the original name of the company was called Primal Wisdom Theory. It was a complete marketing failure. But the – he's laughing. You guys are hilarious, all three of you together. theory. It was a complete marketing failure. He's laughing. You guys are hilarious.

All three of you together. The pain that you are describing is ancient wisdom. So the wisdom is there in the form of pain, the language of kinesthetics. And it's telling you that you have been misbehaving by being in the front chain. So the answer is to get in the back chain. But nobody has the information because nobody did it the way we did it. We took the people who were anti-fragile and endurance durable, and we took that, which is like best practices rule, and we reverse engineered it. And what we found was late-crawling super babies, indigenous people, super athletes like Michael Jordan, and 105-year-olds like Hurricane Julia Hawkins at the track and field world championships. What do you mean by wisdom being connected to pain?

You want to take that? I mean, I think like you just said, it's something letting you know that something's up. Like I know from my own experience and when I finally met these guys, all the things that I was trying to fix in my body from tracking back to like freshman year in high school. Like I'd been throwing my back out since I was young and none of that ever made sense to me. But it was always something that I was searching for an answer. sense to me, but it was always something that I was searching for an answer. And that's what really brings Gota to the table is that this is a man who had his back, you know, give out on him in that there led him on a journey to go find that wisdom, to go deepen his knowledge on, well, what's causing this? To be honest, it's not something that the crew will have to deal with or the, the, the Yano Mami in the, in the Amazon or the Hadza. If you never have back pain, you

never have to go seek it out. So now we're in an interesting predicament here where we're in this comfort, cushioned world and we have this great communication across the globe, but we're more wrecked than ever because we haven't been able to still take what keeps the Karubo and the Yanomami safe. And we haven't been able to bring that into our movement diet. You're someone who's seeing what the indigenous do from a diet standpoint and you're bringing it into the real world. We're just doing that from a movement standpoint.

Let me add to that because I've been doing this for 23 years, this recode. I never used to know that that pain that I was having while I was sleeping in my back and my hips and my knees was the wisdom. So nobody ever told me that. If you're in pain when you're sleeping or if you have to wake up because you're in pain at a joint, that's a problem. That's the ancient language. Linguistics came last. It's always been see, feel, you know, during the evolutionary chain, but timeline. But I mean, my answer to that is the answers are there for you. Your ancestors paid the ultimate price by giving you this wisdom in the form of kinesthetic feelings.

And we ignore that. Exactly. Because it's like almost like a self-diagnosis that you can feel. So if, go back to the car analogy, if your front end starts, if you start to vibrate the car a little bit, well, you automatically know that you got to go get your car aligned, right? Or you're going to destroy the car. If we start having a little back pain, we just going to ignore it or sit that like,

we don't, we never really listened to the body. And then in the athletic world, you know, you got to push through that stuff or you labeled as a wuss or something like that. So it's like, you know, that, that fight through that stuff or you label it as a wuss or something like that. So it's like, you know, that fight, what we talked about earlier when you said, and I thought that was great, was it's work, hard work. That description shouldn't even be in there. It's kind of like I always say, like, why are we even talking injury prevention? Like, we're not designed to be injured.

talking injury prevention. Like, we're not designed to be injured. We created injury in our bodies, unless a truck hit you or something like that. But, you know, listening to the body is what he means by that, you know, it's like it's telling you all the time. That's the wisdom. You know, most people label wisdom as going to school and learning. And then you go through all of these experiences and things like that and you become a wise person. Well, the human body's been in existence forever. That sea feels been in existence forever. So when we stop ignoring that for aesthetic value, for, oh, man, I got these shoes. You know, I got to wear Johns. And I know about it too.

I still do it. But it's like, that's the things that he's talking about. That's the wisdom that we ignore. We value other things. Mark, you were giving us a lot of information about how you manage your days. And you talked about

these long walks that you're doing. And, you know, me, Bam, and we got a whole hiking crew. We do about 100 to 200 hiking miles. Sometimes it's loop trails, sometimes it's day trails. And then we walk about 700 miles a year. But the wisdom is this. If you do a 10-mile walk and you wake up the next day and one foot is a little more sore than the other, that's telling you that you're doing something on one side a little bit too much. Does that make sense a little bit? Oh, absolutely. What I want to point out too that I think is great that you guys have done, and I saw some video inside your gym where you kind of have like a wall of shame. You got the WOTA crew, all the worst movements, people that are not practicing some of the things that you guys

have learned. But I love the fact that I know a lot of your information comes from you guys gathering information over the years, observing other people, observing what some coaches do well, going through your own trial and error with your own body. But then on top of that, which I find the most compelling is that you studied some of the greatest athletes. And I think that's a really interesting thing because a lot of people will say, hey, nevermind what the greatest people of all time have done because they're special. And I like what you were saying about your injuries when you were young, how you always thought there was something wrong with that.

I've always felt the same way too. And coaches are like, no, no, that's normal. When you're pushing the envelope, that's what happens. You're going to redline. That's what you always hear. And it's like, well, not everybody redlines. And then the only answer we ever get from anybody is like, well, these guys are genetically superior. That's all you

ever hear. I love the fact that you guys have broken it down. You've looked at the greatest of all time. You look at the way these guys move and you're like, well, there's a lot of commonality between these people. We see people do this with business and they talk about how to be successful. And you're like, here's the 14 rules. You know, here's the things, someone like Jordan Peterson writes a book and he's got the 12 rules of life. And we see it time and time again, where people have broken down things from our past and said, hey, here's a recipe. This is going to work great. They sell millions of books. They're successful too. A lot of people that read the books, those people are successful too. But for some reason in athletics, you don't really see this for some reason. I don't know why.

I'm kind of baffled by it. What you see is what we call a storyboard. So it is that 12-point evaluation, right? So the 12-point eval is our virtual book that we wrote. So that storyboard is taking you through the pre-movement fundamentals, which are your columns, your back chain dominance, and your inside ankle bone high suppleness, right? So you have to have those three pre-movements first. When we lay it out for an athlete or we lay it out for General Pop, everybody sees that board, right? So we take them through these phases and then we show them their video,

which takes them through the phases too. Yeah, you can see it up on the board right now. So what you're seeing right there is the columns, right? So straight feet, inside ankle bone high, level ankles, level knees, level hips, level shoulders, everything stacks properly, and gravity can't destroy the body. Just in your stance, if those gyros that we talked about in the gym are constantly decompressed and being loaded properly.

And what's that? Right? From the ankle, it's ankle, knee, hip, shoulder. Correct. Now, the knees are hinged, so the knees allow to go outside into the squat and things like that. You want that ankle and that hip to kind of work together. There's your collineal line.

Yeah, that's the box that he was talking about out on the turf. What you saw with the baby was is the baby travels in that column. So they'll stay inside of the mat as they move through space. The super athletes were always in the columns. You know, it's all right there for you. Some of the people you're looking at are like Ed Reed, Jordan. You're studying the movement patterns of babies. It's the same as the baby, yeah.

Yeah, I find it really interesting that like intuitively, you know, we just are moving the right way, but then we're probably, I guess, on programming some of that later on in life from technology, from the way that we sit, the way that we rest, right? Is that where some of this is coming from? The way that we sit, the way that we rest, right? Is that where some of this is coming from? Yeah. Think of second grade. You're in second grade, and now you've got a box shoe on you. You're sitting in a desk, and now you're sitting at a desk for eight hours a day.

So it's almost like someone wrote a recipe of how to unravel. Correct. And Rick, why don't you talk about reductionist theory and how it relates to all this because that's really what's just come down to, which is we got a foot guy now. We got a hip guy. We got a spine guy. Right. Like what Goda's trying to do, and you guys kept hitting on this yesterday, like, wow, this is a system. And everybody right now in the fitness industry or in the corrective industry, the physical therapy industry, everybody's in a trench. I just look at the foot.

I just look at the knee. I just look at the hip. What those global – A cadaver science. A cadaver science, right? So what you're looking at when you see these different modalities is you're looking at the wrong blueprint. That's what GoTo did different is that to find that innate blueprint, we have to look at certain people, right? We have to look at those that are most durable.

blueprint, we have to look at certain people, right? We have to look at those that are most durable. The problem that has set into the training industry is that the blueprint that they started with is really a cadaver science blueprint. Like we talked about yesterday, you got a body on a table, you have somebody else taking that foot, and now they're creating what they are calling ranges of motion or movement. Oh, this is dorsiflexion. Yeah, this is planner. You got your pronation, your supination. But there's nothing attached to that because there's no brain involved. There's no pain. And then once you turn on the tape, that doesn't happen. There is no supination because nothing in the organic world could move one plane, one range. You're not just moving on the sagittal half a range. You're not just moving on the frontal half a range.

You're putting those three planes together to create that curve, to create that spiral. That's the blueprint of forward movement. So we had to get a new map to show the world so that people could see that these ranges that they think they're training, the hip don't flex and extend. It's really a hurricane energy wave, just like you would see in all of nature. So the big piece here is getting everybody out of the trench, would see in all of nature. So the big piece here is getting everybody out of the trench, making it more of a system sort of macro viewpoint, 40,000 view looking in on it and seeing how it sort of fractals or mirrors to everything else in nature. And you see that there is an innate blueprint going back to how the baby moves, going back to the embryological development. And then what Gilly did with not just looking at Michael Jordan, not just looking at Usain Bolt, but

Ida Keeling and Hurricane Hawkins are just as important to the study as Michael Jordan. The crawling baby is just as important as Michael Jordan. And everybody kind of reflects back around it. And we need that whole population to get a better view of what is the right way, what is the wrong way. We can't do that without those groups. And also these people that are in these tribes and stuff, these that have these ancestral movements where um they're not really inside much they're outside a lot and what you showed the other day um on the floor in our conference room was amazing you were like this is kind of what it would look like you know a few hundred years ago someone would be

sitting this way and you're sitting crisscross applesauce and then you you moved uh forward and then you were resting on your knees with your your butt kind of uh on your hamstrings and calves and then you were like and then i would get up and then i would go do something yeah and you might pick up something heavy here and there but it wouldn't be that heavy and it wouldn't be that often not my petition yeah you might you might drag some stuff. Maybe you drag water. Maybe you killed a buffalo and you and some other tribal people. We always say like – I look at the inputs kind of like walk, jog, run, walk, jog, run, walk, jog, run, walk, jog, run, lift. Walk, jog, run, walk, jog. So you're a forward-moving species.

The food's out there. I got to go from point A to point B, and then when I'm chilling, I'm resting on the ground. And that's really it. That's what the indigenous have to do in their day to day. And if you actually watch how they go to carry something, it's not the fireman's carry where you're trying to challenge yourself. They're trying to make it as efficient and easy as possible. You'll see them bring the tump line in. You'll see them transport some way, putting it on the body so that they can stay back chain dominant and move that thing with the forward motion,

the forward gear that we call go to. So the indigenous are in that blueprint. They're in that input math constantly. They're always resting on the ground. The Karubo or the Yanomami, a truly barefoot tribe, they never even put a shoe on the foot. It doesn't even know what it is. They don't know what a chair is. And then the day-to-day is going to be based in forward movement. If I have to pick something up,

yeah, I pick something up. But I always challenge people with how heavy is something that you're actually picking up in your day-to-day? Like the weight room's built for you to lift heavy weight, but in your day-to-day, you're probably not picking up anything that's anywhere close to like 30 to 50 pounds on the regular. And you're not going to pick it up and then slam it back down, pick it up and then slam it back down And you're not going to pick it up and then slam it back down, pick it up and then slam it back down. You're just going to pick it up and then move about your day. Yeah, on a construction site even, like things are usually like less than like 50 pounds.

You know, they're usually... A machine does the rest. Yeah, it's very rare that something's over 100 pounds. And if it is over 100 pounds, then something else moves it like a machine. I love what you're saying there. And are there some things, because like modern technology is like here. And it's hard to figure out exactly what to're saying there. And are there some things, because like modern technology is like here.

And it's hard to figure out exactly what to do with it. I would urge parents to push that shit back as much as you can. Because once your kid has it, there's kind of no turning back from there. So whatever age you can push some of that stuff back to, that would be great. Do you guys have any recommendations for if somebody, if a kid is on a tablet, if they are doing something like that. Because what I'm thinking in my head is like, I don't, well, everyone kind of says this about themselves.

I don't feel like I'm too bad with my phone, but I'm probably too bad with my phone. So I'll just say this. If you guys just told me, hey, the only way you can use your phone is if you're sitting down crisscross applesauce, I would be on my phone a lot less, and I'd probably be more mobile if I felt like using the phone because I'd be getting up phone a lot less, and I'd probably be more mobile if I felt like using the phone because I'd be getting up and down off the ground.

I'd have to burn some calories. I'd have to spend some time in a position that my body doesn't really love. That is what we're saying, Mark. Right. No, that's what we're saying. Yeah. And you watch indigenous people like I did for a thousand hours or so, and you watch the little kids whittling wood and stuff.

It's on the ground. That's like an iPad. They're sitting down there messing with wood for hours at a time. But they're not going rogue. That's your Halo. Correct. You're playing Halo now. You're playing Fortnite.

Just play it on the ground. They're not trying to walk whittling wood either. Like they walk and we hear. Right. You know, I seen something the other day about some marketing thing where all of the top items are put low now because everybody's head's down. So they want them to see more ground level. Advertising on the floor. The chip companies in the store fighting for the bottom shelf.

It was never like that before. Yeah. If you can get your kid to grab a few extra resting periods of the day to be on the ground, you won't get that one fell swoop. You won't get everything to be on the ground. But if my kid comes home from school, and instead of going to the couch to turn on the TV or to go watch film if they're an athlete or to go do their homework, that's a chance that we could now use the ground for that moment that's going to be rest. Will it be comfortable the first time? No, but this is why we have SESA chairs. We could put

a basketball there. There's ways to modify. But if I could start to steal some reps by adding into, yeah, add my rest into the equation of movement, because it really hasn't been brought into that world yet. If I can start to steal some mobility reps, steal some inside ankle bone high reps by playing a video game inside ankle bone high in a SESA chair, or doing my homework or watching tape upside down inside ankle bone high and crisscross applesauce, that's going to move that ticker closer to go to.

So there's a way to have your technology and still keep some of that ancient math inside the system. Mark, Bam slept in a bed last night for the first time in like a year. Where does he usually sleep? In a car? No, a Japanese mat. Low to the ground.

I instruct all my athletes to... That's your camera guy who is here today who I've never seen a camera guy move quite like that. Well, we try to bring everybody that's a go-to coach into the... Give them a job if we can. You know what I'm saying? It makes it easier. Like here, carry this camera. Well, when try to bring everybody that's a go-to coach into the – give them a job if we can. You know what I'm saying? It makes it easier.

Like here, carry this camera. Well, when your camera guy understands what he's looking for in the foot and ankle complex, it makes a lot of difference. But one of the things I try to tell all my athletes is don't sit at the table and do your homework. Try to sit on your feet in a child rocking position and use a coffee table or an end table or something where you could kind of get that posture up, get that spine long and decompressed, get the hips back, sit on the feet, which is going to keep you inside ankle bone high, and then just work right there. And it helps so much. The ones that do it, we know because when they come back from school, we're not recoding

them again. We're just straining them. How should we be laying down? Side fetal. Yeah? Side fetal. Yeah. Side fetal. If you could picture the side fetal position, double inside ankle bone high,

that's your best option for sleep. Almost kind of crossing. Yeah, kind of like crossing. It's like think a baby in the womb. Baby in the womb and just lay it on the side. That's going to be your best bet. I've been around for a long time. I've been lifting for 31 years.

Been pushing big weights for a long time. I've been lifting for 31 years. I've been pushing big weights for a long time, and I haven't really come across the information that you guys have. I know that some people will watch some of it and they'll be like, oh, that's what this guy said or that's what I can do. You guys have pieced it together in a different way. And what I was pointing out earlier, you guys are studying the greatest of all-time athletes. You're also studying the greatest of all-time actions overall.

And looking at the indigenous people and looking at people that don't have the same technology as we have here in the United States. And I got to say, the stuff that you guys put me through, it really lit me up. Like I have not had, I've worked out with pro bodybuilders. I've worked out with some of the best powerlifters in the world. I worked out with some of the greatest strongman athletes in the world. And I've gotten my ass kicked plenty of times. These guys are way stronger than me. They're on a completely different level, even as strong as I've been in my sport. These guys have absolutely destroyed me. But what you guys were showing me

gave me a burn in a different way than I've ever really experienced before. I'm trying to place it and trying to think, have I had anything else really do that to me? And the answer is no. And I was shocked. I knew that having you guys here would be huge, especially for our audience. I knew it would be, a lot of this stuff is going to be, when people find this stuff, it's going to be revolutionary

for a lot of people. It's going to blow apart their brain. So I knew that it was going to be effective, but I didn't know it was going to blow my back apart the way and i mean that in a good way like it was a lot of blood flow to the area but you guys just have me like leaning on a wall and i'm like like by the looks of it because i got that former lifter mentality i'm like that shit's lame like i ain't, I'm not hanging out on one leg, leaning up against the wall. That's stupid, you know? Being completely transparent, I said the same shit. Yeah.

I'm like, Gilly, this ain't strength training, dude. Go back in the corrective studio over there and do the correctives with these dudes. And what happened is, you know, I started seeing a pattern of he would fix them and I would break them. And I'm like, and, you know, I go back to the story all the time. Jamal Chase come down with a ball in the back of the end zone and had a patella injury.

And I thought he was God. Like, you know, I knew who he was in the eighth grade. And he told me he was a high risk of injury. And I'm like, I can't destroy this kid's career. So I had to look and go total self, you know, accountability and look in the mirror and say, what are you really doing? And then when I took the deep dive and got the iPad and started studying in 2015, 2016, the concepts he gave me, he's like, fast forward five years from now, and you're going to be talking to the biggest people in the training industry. And here we are today. Yeah, you know, what you went through today was you had to go to this geometry that makes you anti-fragile at the joint capsules for life.

That includes all the vertebrae. So you have to go to this geometry. And you realize that you don't even know what the geometry is. And that's why it's so, that's why you struggle with it. But if you trust this geometry and this ancient wisdom, five years from now, you'll get us on this podcast. You'll be even more fired up than you were today because you get to do things. I mean, my doctor said, fill out the Medicaid forms. You're out.

You can't move no more. You lost your third disc. You're 33 years old. You're done. And can't move no more. You lost your third disc. You're 33 years old. You're done. And I came back from that to where I am now. I play golf four days a week. I just did my 67th sprint triathlon. I've done four half irons.

And we backpack 1,200 miles a year. And we walk 700 miles on the golf course. You do whatever the fuck you want. I'm fucking free. I'm sorry. You can sweat. Oh, thank God'm sorry but you know i'm free and you want to be free you know and i just met your wife you won't be free doll yeah that's right yeah you know i i like what you're saying right there especially about being free yeah like uh uh pain is uh is so restrictive. And I think we don't even think about it.

But I've been thinking about it more recently because there are things that I'll do in a day where I'm skirting around pain. And I'm not even really thinking of it. I'm not that conscious of it. Just because it's like one of those things. Like everyone has shit they sweep under the rug, right? Everyone has shit that they sweep under the rug right everyone has shit that they uh sweep thank you to live with behind the refrigerator you know and just like when we move one day like that shit will be moved or whatever right you just don't you don't think about it you don't care about it that much but i've had a little bit of tendinitis in my knee for i don't know how long um i have a left hip that gives me hell all the time just these

little things that just like you said I tend to live with them. But now at least it seems like with a lot of the stuff you guys are showing me, I have an ability now to at least work on addressing them. And I've had other tools in the past, and I've had great people come here. Ben Patrick has been huge. I have seen improvements in my knee, but I haven't completely gotten rid of the pain. So I'm still in search. I'm still seeking. How do you feel today?

I feel great with a lot of stuff that we did, especially yesterday. So I got to say that my hip, because it's like a massive block of concrete, that concrete came back. So yesterday, you guys freed up my hip and we did some stuff. When I woke up this morning, I was actually pretty sore because I don't normally stretch. I'm very new to stretching and some mobility stuff. And so the hip was really angry and it went back to where it was. And it was real tight. I came in, did the drills with you guys.

It opened back up again. It took a minute. It took a while to kind of get it back to where it was. But it opened right back up again. It took a minute. It took a while to kind of get it back to where it was, but it opened right back up again. I like to use the word decompression instead of stretching. When my athletes come in or anybody, General Pop, the first thing I do

is I tell them, let's go get on the ground, decompress. And the reason why I like to use that is because we don't like to target the muscle. We target the system, right? The mass. Yeah. So when I go in and somebody's like, well, my calf is tight. I'm like, all right, well, go through your groundwork. Tell me how you feel after.

Get on the wall. You know, when we did the corner hinge where you're on the wall, it opens up that back chain, right? Typically what happens with anybody, and, you know, I use the word athlete a lot because it's more of the the lane that i'm in but when i get a guy that comes in and he's got achilles pain and stuff like that you know most times they go to therapy they treat achilles and they doing this and that i open up the hamstring the calf and all that and it'll take talk about how the stretching math is the same as your world class performance right yeah so everything's done inside of that. Like when I put you back down on the ground, even though you may be in what you think is a stretch,

it's a closed chain environment because we've taken those eight points and we're closing the chain with the knees, the foot, and stuff like that. So even though you're going into a stretch, it's still kind of loaded. You know what I'm saying? It's not like you're laying on a table and somebody's bending a foot and trying to open the hamstring or the calf up or

something like that. So if you keep going to the ground, you're going to get deeper and deeper into that decompression phase. Then we train you inside of the decompression phase and you stay there. Right. Because neurologically, your body's only going to know that behavior. So we go back to the behavior, right? If the behavior is always back chained in the exercise and it's always back chained in the resting and it's always back chained in the decompression, then guess who you're going to be? Yeah.

You're going to be a back chained dominant person. If I could tell your followers anything, you have this one life to live and you don't want to take any steps backwards. I heard Justin Gatlin say that. I don't want to take no steps backwards. When you're stretching and the transferability of the stretch goes immediately to the way you swing, strike, walk, run, throw, kick, then you're wasting no time. The challenge with some of these old systems, and the reason why we've been very angry and we're letting all that go, is because you're going to yoga and you're doing Warrior II inside ankle bone low. You're going to Pilates and you're bracing the core for an hour doing flutter kicks.

And it's got no transferability to anything involving real life or the indigenous life of the past, which is what we need to keep the joints anti-fragile for 105 years. What you got over there, Andrew? I know you're brewing up questions. I mean, all of this has been so eye-opening. I've told you guys so many times, but I sincerely hope that when people are listening to Mark right now talk about everything, that they can feel the enthusiasm.

I mean, both of us were shaking, trembling, going crazy on the way home yeah uh as soon as we left yesterday like by time i like turned that first corner my phone was ringing i was like oh shit mark and we're like yelling at each other how excited we are yeah not even joking when i when i hung up the phone like i had to like turn up like the uh the volume because i'm like why is this stereo so low and oh it's because i was yelling at mark um but andrew just wait just wait until you stand at the foot of the water for a sprint triathlon and you say i could do this i just i could do this and i could get to the end and go straight to the beer tent and drink beer without knee pain you know what's bigger than that and not to cut you off and it's it's it's like emotional for me absolutely because my passion is so deep into this shit right now to hear you speak like that

and know that we brought that to the table to know that we gave you that gift there's not a fucking dollar in the world there's not a check that you could cut me to know that I gave you that because you might have kids that you want to play with. You told me out there on the turf that I got a one-year-old that I hold and I coddle and I want to get on the fucking ground with him. And you have that freedom to do that now. Somewhere along the line, no matter what it is, no point figures or nothing, that fucking birthright was taken from you. And you got it back now. That is fucking powerful. Yes, and that's what I was going to say, that the start of that race for me is holding my son and then just literally getting down on the ground.

And then crisscross applesauce, whatever it may be. You got your goals. One of the poses and that sort of thing. But you just said something I wanted to bring up. You said it's my birthright. That's right. When you said it yesterday, I was just like, oh shit, it's my birthright to be able to put my palms

on the floor in front of me. I'm getting the chills right now thinking about that. And I've lost that birthright, but I'm getting it back now. Think about this and think about where our drive and our passion comes from. A lot of people take what we do

and they take it the wrong way. And guess what? We do get out of line sometimes and we do act a certain way. But when somebody's sitting there and you immediately trying to argue and debunk what I'm saying on Instagram and you fucking ain't never gotten a child rocker position, don't come to the table with me. Because I'm going to poke holes in every fucking thing that you got to say. Because I want you to play with your child. See, all you did was you just poured some gasoline on my shit. When I go back home, I'm fucking shit up.

You got to believe that. It's on and popping now. Them kids are going to listen to this show. My kids that go in my gym, they got fucking faith in me. They believe in me because I've been protecting their body for a long time. We got a guy that just popped an Achilles that we gave him two years. Two years on a ruptured

Achilles and it finally gave out, but he made $3 million in the league. He went from the fucking practice squad to starting and being the most efficient linebacker with the Buffalo Bills. Two years. His family's set for life. Nobody could's set for life.

Nobody could ever give him that. Well, and then the other thing about the athlete, I can speak on that from being a former athlete, is that I just want to trust the coach. I want to know where I stand. I want good information. When Ike shows up, he knows where he stands. He now knows where the injury can happen.

He now knows how to try to stop that as much as he can. I went through so many years where I'm like, dude, what do I do next? What's the next book I got to buy? What's the next YouTube video I got to watch to try to figure out maybe some little piece of this? Where now we can give the education back to the athlete. We can be upfront with them. We can talk to the parents and say, look, your child's at risk over here. You're not in the clear.

You got to fight to get this back. But now you know. Now you can now at least take power back. Like Andrew's saying, I can have power over my back pain. I can have power over this compression, over this WOTA, that I know I'm going to get inputs. We know I'm going to fly back to Ohio tomorrow, and I'm going to get off that plane.

I'm like, oh, man, I've got to get back to the ground. But now I know. Where it used to just be you'd fly, then you'd sit, then you'd sit some more, then you'd do some – and then the next thing you know, you're in a completely weird space that you can't get out of because you don't have a blueprint it's like you're in Cleveland and you got the map of Detroit the world's in this they're in Cleveland but they got the map of Detroit and we're like guys we got the wrong map we've got to use this map what's that map you got over there well we just got it from the most durable humans on the planet people that didn't fall apart apart, they move like this. People that fall apart, they move like that. It's literally that simple. And all we did with you guys is we moved you closer to what moving

well looks like, moving durable looks like. And you guys were like, whoa, what's this? But it explained why in the assessments, all those movement errors were all hotspots for injuries. Everything that we call out, hey, you got inside ankle bone low here. How's that left hip? Yeah, it fucking sucks. Your head's not getting in your right column. What's going on with that right knee? Yeah, it hurts.

So now as an athlete, when I had my first assessment with these guys, I'm like the 10 years of trying to figure out what's wrong with my back, what's wrong with my left hip, why I can't drive the ball down the field, it just got answered in 20 seconds. And I'm like, what is going on here? We got to give it back. You got to give it back to the next generation. Y'all need us.

Well, and the endurance athletes too. Because the ultra guys and the marathon people, if they're running inside ankle bone low, if there's an error in the movement, they tear meniscus. They tear cartilage in the hip. But you guys need us the most because y'all playing outside the blueprint

to enjoy this thing called powerlifting and all. So you all have to be go-to so you can go do your lifts because this is what you love to do. Some people are going to put on them bat suits and they're going to jump off the cliffs. It's just it. It is what it is. So you got to be go-to more than me.

Anybody, yeah. Because you're going to lift. I'm just going to play golf. Lifters, CrossFitters, those guys, they need this bad. And, you know, the CrossFit people that come in to me are, like I said, I got Jody Kennedy, the strong woman that I worked with before. Those people that come in and they get to meet us and do the work and they're like, oh, okay, I get it.

You know what I'm saying? And, listen, we regular guys, but, like I said, man, don't get me fired up. Don't fucking take this sword. Don't get him fired up. I need Gary swinging a samurai sword by the end of this thing. I was telling Andrew yesterday, we were talking about him working on getting out of back pain and trusting in this system. Andrew, it's over.

It's checkmate. You hang out with us for six months, you'll never have back pain again in your life. And I told him that his new coach is his son. I said, watch what your son does. He'll teach you everything you need to know. Lay down on the ground with him. If he's walking or crawling or he moves this way or that way, just move with him.

Yeah, it was funny. So before, this was, I think, just late last week, I was watching my son because he's a little fucker. He's taking off now. He's fast. You can't take your eye off of him. So i was watching him and as he's moving i'm like it looks like he's swimming because because that that back leg that's why they call it a crawl stroke and now after hanging out with you guys i'm like oh like that's how you're supposed to be walking

he's been trying to send you messages the entire time he's just like dad this is why your back sucks we're just crawling in the water. Yeah, it's that same pattern. It's everything that we're talking about. What you told that dude the other day? We did a video thing the other day, and the guy's like, hey, I think my two-year-old's inside ankle bone low. And Ricky pops up off the chair, and he's like, let the little fucker's hand go when

you're walking with him. That's the first thought. Stop taking him outside the pattern. Because everybody does that. They hold a hand, and the kid's like, yeah. yeah, you're like this to the kid. Are you trying to stand your kid up? I mean, these are things that are so innocent as parents that you love, and you don't even know you're doing these things. Like you want your kid to look cute for the picture. So you put a cool shoe on them and you don't think about, their brain does not want that

shoe. Like Gary said, kids are taking the shoes off and they're throwing them. Kids are sitting in chairs in the same floor resting postures, even though you sit them down. We had a video we just sent out a little while ago where someone was trying to set their baby down on its feet to stand. And it kept going into SESA, kept going into SESA, kept going into SESA. It didn't want to. We are doing things unknowingly out of love, but are actually pulling our children closer to WOTA. Stuff like grabbing a hand when they're walking, you're going to mess them up. Grabbing two hands and trying to get them off the ground too soon, you're going to mess

them up. Putting them in a bouncy chair or a bouncy seat, you're going to mess them up. Much like what was good for you guys was back on the ground, that's good for your children. Keep your children on the ground. Keep them barefoot. Let them crawl for as long as they can. How long did Swaggy P crawl for? 20 months.

So you just burn the pattern deep into the system. If you could let your child grow up GODA and keep them GODA through adolescence, just like it's really hard to recode a WOTA because they're so far gone, it's really hard to decode a GODA because it's so locked in. That's like a Michael Jordan where he doesn't touch a weight

until age 30 or so where he's in his late 20s and he's trying to get past the pistons. And then even then, like we talked about yesterday, it's mostly just hypertrophy, trying to get the upper body to get a little more swole. But he locked in the goda pattern. So he's going to be more durable. He's going to be able to play at a bigger body size.

Everybody said when Jordan came in, he ain't big enough. I think he was big enough. What was his advantage? Why does his movement look different than everybody else? Why does Ed Reed look a certain way? Why does Randy Moss look a certain way? Everybody just keeps saying it's outliers.

We've got the video proof to say it's not outliers because my son Mickey crawled in the same pattern that Randy Moss runs in. He'sled in the same pattern that Randy Moss runs in and he's moving in the same pattern that Ed Reed now you got to take that pattern and layer skill into it and layer the sport into it and then you can go ahead and you can become a great athlete but you take the pattern from him

you're going to rob him. And I'll say this because we still can't get the answer to why unexplained joint repairs and replacement is growing at 15%. Nobody will tell me anything that makes any sense that everybody who gets a joint replacement is a WOTA. And I've been to the, we have an orthopedic that works out with us every morning. And I said, do this. Cause before my dad died, I had to take him to the uh to orthopedic and I'd

sit by the door of my camera and everybody that came in with a cane woe to and then it would be like two hours before my dad got out no go tos walked in ever ever because they don't show and then when you see a go to at 90 and you say hey uh you ever had any pain they're like what yeah well you ever you ever wonder why you know the wonder why the great ones don't really get hurt that often? You remember Barry Sanders. It was rare for Barry Sanders to be. I think he missed one game because he had a busted rib. There's a lot.

Ricky Anderson, Babe Ruth. There's a lot of guys, right? Looking at Kittle right here. Yeah, Kittle. He came in. Me andick had the opportunity to go up there at a ranch and work with him and a few of the um the tight ends that they had a tight end you and uh they they building this this whole like ranch type style thing with

a barn as a training facility and got a couple of little things that way he is now he had the um week one he got stepped on on the calf and uh it went down in week three as a calf injury or something like that. But it was just somebody stepped on him when he was coming up, trying to get up from the ground, and they couldn't get the swelling out, so he went on the IR. But if you look at him now, this is a recent – more of a recent photo. You could see him living in the shape. Like we see him straight feet, inside ankle bone high.

He's doing two go-to workouts a day. He's starting to get the pattern back. You know what I'm saying? You're starting to see it again. So he seems to be all in. As far as we know, his dad and his sister are all in on the whole thing. For the pro athlete, it's really the toughest recode because you have to compete while you're trying to change patterns.

Like we told you guys, man, if you could shut it down for three weeks or even three months, that'd be great. Like when Ike showed up, we don't have time for that. So we're trying to fix WOTA as they're still getting WOTA inputs, and that's why it's so important and crucial for the pro athletes out there. Like you need that groundwork routine to keep you injury, you know, free during the season as best as you possibly can to try to start to move that needle closer to go to. And it's not,

it doesn't have to be something that feels like it's a ton of time out of your day. Like we talked about, if you just get back to the ground for five to ten minutes in the morning, it's powerful. I mean, you guys sat in the wall for 20 seconds and you're already cooked. So you don't need a ton of time under tension if you're in the right spaces because every second you're sitting there feels like work because it really is. So there's no time wasted. You can start to kind of build up that pattern over time and you feel better as you go. Can we just go back and slow things down? build up that pattern over time and you feel better as you go can we can we like just like

go back and like slow things down because some people are just listening to this so they can't see some of the visuals but um like you're saying inside ankle bone high and low can we explain why high is more advantageous why low is just kind of like the kiss of death for an athlete before ricky goes because ricky's very articulate at this kind of stuff, I can tell you your body, when you put clothes on, will give you clues. So one of the clues, if you're looking at this picture, is when you put on a pair of socks and it wraps around the lower leg, it's going to sit on the pattern of your inside ankle bone high,

inside ankle bone low. So look at MJ's sock line and tell me what side is higher. Inside. Right. Yeah. Go ahead, Rick. Yeah. I mean, that's a great segue because you're looking at, I'll tell people, look at the lace line, tongue line, sock line. Where is it trending? What area of the foot is starting to hold that pressure? So at the base of this, at these two columns, the two sides of the body that are lined with ball and socket technology, you have this platform, this foot, and it's a half dome structure that's sloping to the outside corner. So it's an arch. The inside of the foot, think of it as a cliff. So if you build that arch

up high, you don't want to surf over the outside or over the cliff. So you want to be funneling pressure down and out to the outside corner of the foot so that the dome, the half dome arch stays intact as you land. Because that ankle, that ankle bone socket that's sitting right behind the tongue of the shoe, that thing is sitting and plugged into the platform that is the foot. So now if my foot touches down and I don't stay inside ankle bone high, I collapse that foot. I take that ball and socket of the ankle and I take it with it. But guess what? The hips attach, the spine's attached, everything goes down and in. So people that are inside ankle bone low are experiencing shoulder trouble. Well, why is that? The whole column is being suffocated down and in because the platforms at the base are dipping inward. They're not holding their integrity. They're not holding that half dome structure and you're never letting that ankle truly slot into what would be the bow and then would be the

corner. So you're never able to stay decompressed because you've lost that decompressed sort of shape or action at the foot level. So inside ankle bone high sets the stage. Inside ankle bone low sets the stage, but it sets the stage for well. I'd like to also point out it's very common in powerlifting and very common with CrossFit athletes and people that do Olympic lifting where the knees cave in, but it's not necessarily just your knees. It actually usually is a lot of times it comes from the hip and it's also the feet. So the ankle bone is collapsing as well as the knees.

So you'll hear a coach say knees out. Well, you can't really – your knees can't be driven out by your knees. Your knees can be more driven out by your hips and by the placement and what you do with your feet. So what you guys are talking about is putting that pressure on the outside of the feet. And a lot of the training, we'll get to this in a moment, a lot of the training that you guys or all the training you guys do is off of your heels, which I think is very smart. But it's important that people understand your knees will collapse inward.

It's sort of a default lazy position the body wants to go to when something is a little bit too heavy for you. And the, like the leverages are changing a lot, but you would still be stronger if you could still keep that knee kind of bowing. As you guys talk about that, building that bow, you'd still be stronger if you can maintain that outward knee position. I think what happens, though, is over time that you're reinforcing these bad positions over and over again. Most oftentimes, the biggest mistake I see with people in strength training is, oddly enough, they just train too heavy too often.

The weights that they're using are not giving them the correct input. The weights don't have to be insanely difficult. They just need to be a little tougher than last time. And at a certain point, your luck runs out even with that. And you got to restart and rebuild the Russian guy that we have here, Andre Milanochev, who holds some all time world records in powerlifting.

One of the reasons why he was able to build so much strength is because all of us would watch him do a workout and we would be like, that's it. Especially if it's like week one of a training block. Week two, same thing. Maybe by week six, now we're like, oh, shit, okay, that guy is using some weight. But in week six, the weight would move the same as in week one. He was impeccable with the form and technique. Very, very rare for him to have any breakdowns.

And if there was going to be a breakdown, it might just be in a competition, and it wouldn't be in training. So go back to you just answered a lot of the whole thing is he went in there, he took quality over quantity, and he put it to use, and he made it perfect, right? It's the same thing with Gota. We were perfect. And then like Bam was explaining out on the floor earlier, it's innate. thing with goda we we were perfect and then like ban was explaining out on

the floor earlier it's innate it's in there we go back in there and we give you them perfect reps again and it don't have to be many but we're going to take you to failure failure inside of a perfect rep every single time brings back that pattern a lot quicker but it's the same thing that he does he's just basically making sure he can keep lifting. He's doing enough to maintain and get a little bit stronger. That's the same way we would take you, a normal athlete, through a recode is we would start at that base of the pyramid where it's a lot of groundwork. It's a lot of resting work.

It's a lot of decompression work. As you move up that pyramid, you'll start to see more fluidity, more of the traveling drills that we got to today, where you start to see a sled moving around. You start to see a landmine moving around. So you progress the athlete through those different stages and you let their nervous system adjust. You get better results. And like we said, don't waterboard their nervous system. Now we kind of waterboarded your guys' brains as far as seeing the math yesterday. When we went to the mats, it was very slow. It was controlled. It was more of a spoon feed.

So we want to spoon feed the nervous system to get better results so that it can adjust properly. I think a lot of people, like you said, they go in, whether they're trying to lift or be better movers, they just go all in right away and they don't let the body slowly adjust or change pattern. Think about this. I'd love to eval, Andre. I mean, the big lifter. Yeah, yeah, Andre. Think about this. I'd love to eval Andre. I mean, the big lifter.

Yeah, yeah, Andre. Yeah, yeah. You know, let Rick do, if we could get some video on him. Yeah, we could get some video on him and see, because I'd like to see his foot and ankle complex. The bottom line is, is if you walk in inside ankle bone low, then you're not going to be your max strength. When you put your feet straight, when your squat went up,

is you probably took that inside ankle bone a little bit higher. We know that in the performance setting, in the training side of it, the more inside ankle bone high I get you, the more of a bow that you set, and we use the elasticity of the body to create almost like a sling, then you get more explosive. You get faster, and you get stronger in the process. What happened for me was I would start to shove my knees out so far that my knee would get kind of over or at least kind of on top of my ankle. And so my foot would roll out a little bit rather than rolling in. So you're absolutely correct, 100%. I actually used to have my stance a little wider and it was too wide because I couldn't get my knee out to where I needed it to. And my knee would cave in,

as we pointed out earlier, it wasn't really my knee. It happens at the foot and it happens from losing strength and losing control at the hip. So I brought the stance in a tiny bit and I always felt like the most optimal squat for me was for me to really push my knee out and make sure that it got even with the ankle. And that would kind of, um, uh, almost be like a,

a bird's like claw on the ground. Good instinct. You know what I mean? Like, like, yeah, like I'm trying to pick something up with my feet and my feet actually became, uh,

really strong from that. I remember after workouts, my feet would kind of hurt, but not in a way of like pain, just like muscular. I was like, what the fuck is that? And my feet actually grew. I had to get bigger and bigger shoes over a period of time. My feet grew like two sizes during my powerlifting career.

And I just thought it was like because I was getting bigger and fatter, which may have been some of the case, but my foot actually got muscular from that. I got a point for you, Mark, because I like getting bigger and fatter, which may have been some of the case, but my foot actually got muscular from that. I got a point for you, Mark, because I like this Russian analogy. Guy does a perfect rep with lightweight, then another rep, and then he builds. And it's the perfect rep, which is what we want, right?

Whether we're a powerlifter or a figure skater. Baseball. So one of the challenges I had in the early days when I had to walk away from cadaver signs to find the mapping system was I would hear from these doctors that everybody could walk different. That the human species, everybody's got a different gait. And, you know, I just got lucky one day. And I don't know if it was the zoe or the caribou, but this documentary person had was at the edge of like a field and they were inside the woods, and they walked out, the entire tribe. And the women and children came first, and then the men came in behind.

And to watch a tribe of people move just like a flock of birds or a group of animals or wolves, everybody or the big cat, everybody's using the same mathematics. Their foots come down the same way. The entire vortex above the foot complex is moving the exact same way. That's the perfect rep. And then, you know, I just had to come out and call bullshit. Somebody, somebody from an outside place had to come do it, you know, and I just had enough guts to do it and enough money, you know. Well, you're on a table. Ball and

socket. Ball and socket. Ball and socket. There's a design. There's a certain way that these things have to work that's non-negotiable. The Achilles is sewn a certain way. Non-negotiable. The foot designed a certain way. Non-negotiable. If you just look at the way the Achilles is sewn, you can't load it inside

ankle bone low. You're going against the grain. You have to load it into a bow, and that goes all the way up the chain. So if you just take a look underneath the hood, you'll see that there's some non-negotiables there based in the math of how the thing's designed. Don't do that. Power Project Family House is going now on this podcast. Mark Andrew and I, we talk about fasting a lot.

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bubsnaturals.com and at checkout enter promo code power project to save 20 off your entire order again bubs naturals promo code power project to save 20 off links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes yeah so that's greg odin greg odin so that's his another sad i couldn't find a decent picture he was on that wall he's on that wall i got a short short clip of this one right here. Yeah, there he is. Him and Zion. Same pattern, same result, right?

It's what we saw in your assessments. They're going to last about the same amount of time. Right, what we see in the assessment. Now, if you scoot over a little bit, can you scoot over to Jalen Harris? It's a video. Oh, okay. Yeah, there you go. Stop there.

So Jalen Harris is a kid that had six years of back pain. He had some kind of catastrophic thing where he got slammed to the ground his 10th grade year or whatever, and he was trying to build his way out of it, build his way out of it. Got to Nevada, and Nevada was like, look, man, the PT ain't working. Let's try to inject the back, and if that don't work, we're going to have surgery. And he was a year away from the NBA draft, and his dad's like, man, I've been watching these guys on social media. I'm going to call this guy Gary with GLS Training and I'm going to try this go-to-movement stuff out.

So he hits me up. I do eight virtual sessions with him. He never misses a practice again. Shit. Eight virtual sessions. He never missed a practice again. He got drafted by the Raptors. And we do that all the time.

And it's not a miracle. And this is the other thing that people need to understand is about goat is a lot of people look at us from an athletic stance right like oh they got athletes in there that's not for me that is the most insane thing that i've ever heard in my life general pop should be flocking to the building because if i could take a guy that demands that from his body and make him comfortable what can i do to a guy that's just got to get in a car and go to work every day? You know what I'm saying? In the PT world, in the physical medical side of everything,

not the internal medicine things and things like that, in the training industry, we've walked so far away from common sense that it's really like, again, why are we saying injury prevention? Why should we have an injury prevention? And we use the terminology because it's the language that everybody speaks. Right. But when you sit back from a practical stance and you say, what are we doing? Why are we saying that? Why are we taking this kid that's got to stay in his back chain play basketball you can see the difference in his stance and how much it changed why why would somebody take put him on a bosu ball upside down stand him on one leg give him two dumbbells and tell him the balance day and tell

him you're going to be a better basketball player and then bring his knee in with a band yeah and then bring it why why would somebody fall for that now Now, throwing the social media effect and fire emojis and all of that stuff makes them say, oh, that's sexy. Well, then go to is not sexy and we're going to keep it that way if that's what it is. I would argue go to is sexy. The aesthetics of a straight foot heel away is gorgeous. That's another interesting piece about this is just if you take everything out of that trench concept, just look at somebody walk with straight feet inside ankle bone high with a heel away. Watch models walk down the runway. They all tend to work in that same head in the column, feet straight, inside ankle bone high heel.

Why? It looks sexier. It doesn't look sexy to have your hips pushed forward, your inside ankle bones low, and you're waddling with a crooked foot. It doesn't look good. That's back to that wisdom that we were speaking on earlier. Some of the people that go to the quickest are people that have no skin in the game. They don't know anything about it. They don't care.

I show them two pictures, and they're like, yeah, the one on the left. That's the one we got to go with. It just looks better. It's common sense when it gets to a certain point. If it gets overcomplicated with supination, pronation, cadaver science,, I need to know all these vocab words. I need to know each individual muscle when that's nonsense because everything's just one system. It's the same compounds. It's recycled in different ways to make different stuff. You see that this is just a system. It's a hurricane moving around the corner. I can't break it up. I don't do it the proper service

by doing that. Like Gary said, you've got to pay homage to nature. You've got to pay homage to the systems that nature built. You know, we make simple statements sometimes that are powerful. And one that we always make is, well, how did Jackie Robinson do it without cadaver signs? How did Jesse Owens do it without cadaver signs? How did Babe Ruth do it

without cadaver signs? How did the Karubo do it without cadaver signs? I mean, yeah. Hey, Andrew, if you go a little bit, you had went to the part where the baby was crawling. Yeah, yeah. If you move through that a little bit, and I'll kind of show you. So you see, not that. It's a little bit before that.

It's going to be in the columns, yeah. That's the back chain dominant side of it. I'll find it. Yeah. And then I want to show you something further down when you get into it as a phase of it where we release energy or whatever. It's my son again, and he's pushing a big Crayola box or something. That's the crawl pattern. So you see the heel away and the crawl that you saw is the same. The heel away and the crawl.

There's going to be a heel away in the baby in that area somewheres. But what he's doing, it is your sled push. And that's, Mark, one of the things that we talked about before. You was like, man, I'm trying to push this sled. It's right behind Gilly's elbow right there. But I'm trying to push this sled the same way that your guys are pushing it and I can't do it. My little boy put his hands on that Crayola box at two years old and he pushed that Crayola box and he would set a bow and his heel would flash away.

He was using the hip technology and the foot and ankle to actually move it through space. So if that's how he moves it through space, then putting a little weight on that sled will add to it. Because we don't lift athletes and humans. We do lift some stuff, but we move weight more than we do lifting it. What's that input game? Power lifting and Olympic lifting is its own sport, and it should be treated as such. The same way y'all don't shoot hoops,

y'all don't do cone drills to get ready for your game or your meet, we don't need to be doing deadlifts to get ready to not do deadlifts. When you get to the court, when you get to the field, it's all locomotive-based. It's all back-chain dominant. There's no weights to pick up. I joke with the old lineman. I say the only lifting rep you do in a game is if you get beat,

now you've got to pick up your quarterback off the ground because he just got sacked. Everything else is supposed to be back chain dominant inside ankle bone high. So strength has been defined as, well, it's my numbers on my bench. And what we're saying no is strength is the pattern of movement. So like Bam told you where he gained 15 pounds just from doing workouts with nothing more than a 25-pound plate, it's because he's building strength in a pattern.

If I'm using the go-to pattern, the biggest muscles, because we're default, our balance is 95-5, something like that, 90-10, where it's forward locomotion to the reverse lift. If that's the case, then there's a reason why the back muscles are large, the glute is huge, the hamstrings are huge. If you pay homage to the innate pattern and design,

the biggest muscles get bigger. You get stronger. Hey, Mark, can I give you your next point? Sure. Because I really think we have an opportunity here to make some profound statements. What I couldn't understand, another one of these things was, if you watch 100 Achilles ruptures or 100 ACL tears, and you say, this is the geometry of it. And then you watch training match it. I couldn't understand why people would want to do that.

And I still don't. I mean, do you understand that concept? This is how they all go down and we're going to train it better. Right. Yeah. I agree with that a lot. We were talking a little bit yesterday about like the hamstring injuries, and we're going to train it better. Right. I agree with that a lot. We were talking a little bit yesterday about the hamstring injuries,

like how many people blow out hamstrings. And we see it time and time again in the NFL, and it's like, are these guys not doing stiff leg deadlifts, RDLs? Are these guys not doing deadlifts? Are they not practicing cleans and snatches? I believe they already are. Yeah. They've been doing it for 10 years at that point. Yeah, they've been in it since probably high school.

Yeah, they do some type of leg curl. They do some sort of glute ham raise. Maybe they do a Nordic or some of these exercises. And, I mean, you could have the strongest hamstring, but if your technique is off when you go to move, which it's probably going to be wrong because you're probably reinforcing that in your movement pattern day to day

and with external load, which makes it even worse. Ricky makes a profound statement about negative reps. Yeah. If you put that – yeah, say it. Everything that you just said was from the cadaver science input. Every workout you just said was working off of that flex, extend, some sort of range that I'm trying to change. So now you're taking this body and it's supposed to move in this wave-like manner and you're restricting it to all front chain dominant inputs, all inside ankle bone low inputs because you're trying to make it move linear because you're trying to work one plane, one range when it's built to move in a wave-like manner. So now, instead of that go-to wave, you have this blocky, locked-up sort of ball and sockets that you try to hurl through space,

and it's not going to work. And that's why every ACL shred and every Achilles shred goes down the same way, because this athlete, and I know from when I was young, the personal training, the sports-specific was just starting to kind of bud. Now it's huge. Now it's like if you want to even have a sniff at D1, you've got to be training since you're eighth grade. So you picture all those inputs that go into the nervous system. And if you look at all that afference coming in,

and you're building this backlog, and that backlog is what we saw in your guys' assessments, who you truly are when I just ask you to go move through space. So what we try to attack is that backlog with new inputs in. So now we change the inference, the inputs coming in to go to inputs. They're not Nordics or any straight line. They're waves. Everything's moving in a wave-like manner off of the pivot point. Now we get enough inputs in, we change the backlog. So now I change the subconscious pattern to go to from Woda. And then I just put that go to down in any arena they want to work in and I let them go. And it's going to show there because the movement will have to switch back to the subconscious.

But we've got to go and attack that pattern with inputs. That's happening whether you like it or not. Everything you're doing is coding something. We just got to be aware of it from a training standpoint and from a lifestyle standpoint. But the statement you always make, which is profound, is if your pattern is WOTA and everything you do is WOTA, you should be injury resistant to WOTA, right?

Because everything you're doing is WOTA. So how did you get hurt, Woda? Yeah, if you go inside ankle bone low and tell your ACL, I mean, look at it like this. Kevin Durant's duck footed inside ankle bone low, and enough reps on that snaps his Achilles. It don't save him. You know what I'm saying?

You can't strengthen that. You saw Zion's shape. You saw the duck footed to inside ankle bone low, and he's three years in the league, and he's had three surgeries or something like two surgeries. It's like we showed you guys the other day with that recent ACL tear in the championship game and what you saw there with that 4K, that high-resolution tape. There's nothing to strengthen there because if we just go through it slowly, you'll see that, yeah, where the pressure is laying, it's not designed that way.

The ball and socket isn't designed that way. Did Bulgarian split squats. It's not going to fix it. No. You need a bow. You need to land in a bow. Lunges with heavy weights not going to fix it. You need the rockers. You need to speak to inside ankle bone high. That sock line, that tongue line, that lace line, if it ain't trending

high when you land, you're at risk. Because you can lock the ankle bone. That pattern that you saw in that Alabama receiver, if it ain't trending high when you land, you at risk. Because you can lock the ankle line. That pattern that you saw in that Alabama receiver, you saw it in the same Alabama receiver three weeks before that, that tore his ACL. So they had two top-round draft picks tear the ACL. I got video from their practice that they doing inside ankle bone low field work. You got all these special field trainers and all that actually train Woda. And then they take it to the field and they snap the ACL and their hands up and they're saying it didn't happen with me.

And I'm saying, man, listen, I'm willing to take whoever you are, bring you into my gym. I don't even want nothing. I don't want that kid to lose his hopes and his dreams because I know a lot of times my kids in my area man the street's calling for them you know what i'm saying like new orleans is is a different place like and and it's a special place but it's different like they they got a dark side of it you know that you'll get sucked into and it's waiting for some of these kids so one bad step

away one of the things so one of the points you guys are trying to make is that if one of your athletes gets in a compromised position, maybe they get less hurt or maybe they don't get hurt at all. Absolutely. We got video of that. But you can't completely, especially in the NFL, I mean, it's a violent game. I mean, you can't completely eliminate it. No, we can't stop a contact injury from happening. If a body part takes a direct blow, like a contact injury to us is my knee got wrecked, a body part hit that knee, right, like a scud missile.

That is what it is. But like we said before, and we've got video of it, of our athletes getting put either from somebody stepping on them or somebody rolling on them to a vulnerable position, and they'll then shift it to a safe position because the nervous system has been wired that way. Like we said, it's got to do what it's told. It's a servant to the environment. So now you go ahead and you see that cut. Yeah, and it's inside. So if you could slow that down right there, you're going to see. Stop.

Stop. Go back a little bit. See, that's why you got to watch tape frame by frame. Yeah, right here. Stop. So what he does is immediately you could say, what did we talk about the whole time out there was loading the column. We kept you in the column the whole time. Remember, Mark, I was like, don't go past it.

Don't go on the inside of it. Stay inside of that column. He sticks that foot out and he tries to load that foot outside of the column. Now, that is behavioral. I don't care if he was flipped around or anything like that. Inside ankle bone low is going to happen is the behavior whereas if he would be an inside ankle bone high like we'll watch um what's uh deandre hopkins yeah he's an inside ankle bone high guy he's he's got he's

pretty good he's probably like a seven or something like that he lands and when his foot strikes the ground every time you'll see that ankle bone climb just a little bit. All he needed was just a fractal, just a little bitty bit to make that knee go up and he couldn't get it because his heel was stuck in the ground too. And then you'll see the mechanism. He's already screwed because we're watching the championship game.

It's Alabama, Georgia, number six just caught the ball and he's about to make this cut. But it looks like he's already screwed because his toe is starting to go out. Yeah, he's way outside of that column, too. So he's going to load a valgus position. Now, if you could edge it up a little tiny bit. Look at the sock line, Mark.

Just look at the sock line. There it is. Inside ankle bone low. Oh, yeah, the sock line's pointing right down at the ground. Yeah, and then he goes, and what's going to happen is the shin gets stuck, and then the femur tries to open. Didn't this guy watch tapes of MJ going on? Hey, they do what they're told.

You know, you do what you're told. You don't know any better. As a college athlete, you're lifting. Like, it is what it is. That's just the way that things are in the systems. But that's the in-to-out that we're talking about, right? If I've got that platform that is my foot, and it's now a pivot point, okay? It's not this foot that supinates, pronates.

It's a half-dome structure. So the pressure is supposed to slope to the outside corner. That's my pivot point that I then spin the ball and sockets around. This cat has been enough inputs of using the inside corner of the foot and the heel at inside corner as a pivot point, it leads to a moment like this where the ankle's been given that clearance. The nervous system's been given that go-ahead

to try to create max neural drive off the inside corner of the foot by spinning the ankle and the hip out. But when you're traveling forward through space and you're trying to move over that pivot point with all that pressure going through the system, the ankle gets locked into place. The eye keeps going. Yeah, and i'd like to make a point my belief system as a 56 year old man who's watched

probably 20 000 hours of slow motion video and coaching like a joe and and being a part of bam's recode um i think personally that the non-contact unexplained injury could be a zero tolerance event. Like it could never happen. And then the light contact, we could probably mitigate that to about 20% of the occurrences. And the big running back for New York Giants. Yeah. He was the strongest lifter and the biggest. Oh, yeah.

And then somebody jumped on him and he blew out his neck. A DB too. We call that light contact. There's so many of these cats that they get to the NFL, and they're already so compromised from an injury standpoint, whereas they should be feeling like they're hitting their sixth gear and they're ready to take off. If we were able to really do this the right way,

we would take the desks out of the schools, and we'd have a floor desk so that the kids never lose their go-to all the way way through their youth and you're training them go to by the time that kid gets to college like the pattern's so locked in then you're just going through the work when they get to the nfl you should see a flock of straight foot inside ankle bone high athletes that no one's going to go inside ankle bone low why because from the day they were babies until they got to the nfl it's been an inside ankle bone high input. So you could see a situation where that whole thing gets wiped off the globe because you've now changed not only the 10% of the training to now inside ankle bone high, but that other piece of the pie,

the larger piece, the lifestyle piece, better shoe choices, better shoe knowledge, better sitting options, right? Now it's like I'm owning 100% of my day in a proper movement pattern. And now I can go about my life. Whether you need, whether you're Saquon Barkley trying to break a 70 yard run, or you're a lady trying to get from one end of the aisle to the other without back pain, you still got feet, you still got ankles, and they've got to pay homage to the old pattern because that is what it is. And everybody has to have this. Andrew said it that this isn't just for athletes he's like oh my god this is for every body every body is designed in that same way

it's ball and socket technology it's coupled motion technology it's land air and sea everything fractals out nature is building the same recyclable durable pattern into all its species but we've just gone the wrong way and it's only been a short period of time, but we don't know until kind of a few decades go by that, oh, shit, the cigarettes are bad. Now we're like, oh, shit, the chairs are bad. The next piece is going to be like, oh, maybe those lifts aren't what we should be doing with our locomotive athletes because they do carry the same energy signature as the ACL or the Achilles.

You were mentioning earlier about the tribe and the documentary that you saw where everyone's walking the same. Well, I kind of see the walking dead out there. I see everyone's walking the same way, but it's bad. But it's bad, yeah. Well, 85% of the population is probably in back pain. Yeah, there's tons of pain and tons of reason why they're kind of stuck in those positions. Maybe they were previous athletes or maybe they just haven't done much in a really long time. I find that to be really interesting too. Like a lot of folks haven't just really explored what they can do physically in a really long time. They haven't jumped, they haven't thrown anything, they haven't run, they haven't really done much of anything with their physicality, which again,

I think is a birthright. And it's something that you should be cautious of. Like losing that kind of knocks back a lot of the traits that we have as human beings and disconnects us from the heart and determination and a lot of the cool shit that we have. But a lot of people, like when I've seen families, I'll see a family at an event or just out at a park or something like that. And I see them walking and they're all walking the same. And everyone's all duck-footed or everyone's like knock-kneed. Like what do you guys do?

Because sometimes you get an athlete, especially like a teenage kid comes to you. He's like 17, and he's like 6'4", and he's a big overgrown giant of a kid. And the knees are kind of slammed in, toes are pointed out. And it's like, oh, man. I know for me as a coach, it was very difficult. I didn't have the skill set. I didn't know what you I didn't know this stuff that you guys are communicating. That would have been really helpful because for me, I was trying to make that kid. I was trying to squish him into positions that he wasn't really capable of doing.

I'm trying to have him do squats like everybody else, and then I watch his squat, and I'm like, oh, my God, what am I going to do? And then I take him to the deadlift, and he can't really even get to the bars. Hamstrings are too tight. Take him to the bench, and shit just gets worse and worse. It gets worse.

I'll make a statement, but I want Coach to talk about Cardell Thomas. I've been blasted many a times on social media because it's kind of like the thing I had to do was go out there and take the punishment from you guys. But, you know, they make fun of me for wearing the boat shoes. Because once I. I love those kicks. I got a pair of those.

In the late 2000s, I studied McDougal's work, which is Born to Run. Talk about Tata Umada and the barefoot. And I started putting on these deck shoes. And I'd coach right off the deck shoes, and people on social media would make fun of me. So I haven't put my foot in a shoe that binds them in like a decade and a half. Yeah, that's just a slab of rubber with some cloth around it pretty much. But talk about Cardell.

Cardell Thomas is an offensive lineman from LSU, and he was called Mr. Pancake in high school. He was arguably maybe the best offensive lineman ever in high school. And he got to LSU and he had a foot injury immediately. And through the rehab process and all of that stuff and using the end step of the foot, it basically almost turned his foot into like this almost milk dud type shape. If you could visualize that with the ankle sitting way on the inside of it.

So what happens, what we see a lot of these people that don't have an arch is the human body's very complex. It's very special. So we'll see, and we just say it's like an extension of the navicular bone or something like that, just to kind of give it a name or something, because it'll start to form a tissue or something underneath where the ankle is constantly playing, right? So it's almost like this big, firm callus or something like that.

So, you know, and then unfortunately, there he is right there. There he is. Look at him. The body will do wild stuff. It'll grow. Your body will grow like bones and shit. You'll have bones on your. It's really not fair.

When you see his walk, you can see that pattern that Gary's been trying to pull out of it. But that goes back to what we did with your guys' feet, where we see that collapsed arch outside the columns and the ankle diving down and in. What Gary's got to do is he's got to get them decompressed. And these big guys have to go through that same process. When you think you have a tight hip, like this kid's been sitting with that foot open on the end step for 10 years, 12 years.

You know what I'm saying? And then what they do, listen, and it's unfortunate. Big time college football, you're property now. Like they're going to do everything that they could do to keep you on the field. Nobody's looking from a, well, how can we really fix? They like inject them, get them out there. Next man up. Next man up.

And it's unfortunate, but that's what it is. This kid was special. Now he ended up coming back everybody was like man what happened to this guy now he's he started the last few games and you know they got a whole new staff over there so he's gonna have an opportunity to um to come back he's a good kid he gives good hugs he's a he's a phenomenal kid he's a phenomenal kid and it and and it and it you know it pulls out your heartstrings because his mom and his dad they've been bringing him all over trying to find answers and stuff and then he walks in there

and he's like this is it you know what i'm saying this is it and what happens with a kid like that when he shows up and he starts lifting some weights like people see him dominate on the field then he goes to do a squat and he can barely squat 225 and the coaches are up his ass about it right yeah well he squatted 650 or something like that i put him in the single leg a squat and he can barely squat 225 and the coaches are up his ass about it, right? Yeah, well, he squatted 650 or something like that. I put him in the single leg wall sit and he couldn't hold it for six seconds. Right. That goes back to that. It's not transferable.

What is strength? I mean, you could measure it as a number, but when we actually talk about, well, what are the patterns and the specs of the engine that I want to see on the field? Well, I need to see those bows. So you're actually not strong because in the pattern that we need on the field, you're weak, but in the pattern that we need in the weight room, you're a monster because they're two separate things and they need to be in their own places. And if people know that the people that are in the power lifting and limping lifting space, they could even stay there longer and then possibly put, yeah, put off the surgery at the

end of it. And then you're going to keep your locomotive athletes happy and safe at the same time. So just by the knowledge and the awareness, you can put the parties where they need to be, and then everybody can start to feel good about their own body and what they want to do. What's your thought patterns behind somebody having some go-to, they're moving really well, and they're implementing and utilizing some strength training because you guys uh strength training that you guys don't normally preach but you guys must run into this because these uh athletes they must go off and they have to do other stuff because yeah it's a requirement and some people just want to some people just want

or squat or whatever it is so what do you see with some of those folks? I mean, it's, you know, it's, it can be done differently. It's like, it's not, it's one of them things where if it's a locomotive athlete, they don't have to do those things to build strength. You found that out today. Like we lit up parts of your body that yesterday too, that that wasn't being utilized. Now, when you go back and you say, okay, well, let's put everything in a category. Okay, does he play on his heels?

Does he play with duck feet? Does he do all of these things? Well, then what system fits him the best? Okay, let's go back now and let's go look at a power lifter. Does he use his heels? Yeah. Does he open his feet for different lifts and stuff? Yeah.

Is he with his back on a bench and stuff? Yeah. Does he open his feet for different lifts and stuff? Yeah. Is he with his back on a bench and stuff? Yeah. Okay. Well, this system is what's applicable for him. So it's not just about how we develop it. It's about the application side of everything and what fits. Now, the good thing is, is that everything locomotion is just go to in the way we develop strength. So if you're a tennis player, baseball player, anybody that moves, that travels through space

is going to have to be in a locomotive pattern. Again, go back to what we talk about, about inputs. If I take and I give that kid powerlifting and Olympic lifting inputs, and he's a defensive end, eventually he's going to have the soft tissue injury. There's no way to keep him safe. I think the practical way for the athlete, like thinking back on my day-to-day and how could I have done this at an Iowa, where now I have to do these lifts, it is what it is, and we see this with a lot of athletes.

What could I have done to kind of counteract that? And that's why we talked to you guys yesterday about capturing that 90%, right? That lifestyle. So that's where you talk about the walk. You mentioned all the, all the walking miles you do, how many steps you said was like 20,000 steps. Those could be 20,000 go to steps. Now I go to rest now, blade walking. Yes. Instead of that athlete sitting at their desk, they now go to the floor. So now that hour of homework or that hour of film study that I spent like this, that's going to actually ruin my hip and my shoulder when I do try to drive that post that I've now recognized on tape. We could be on the ground and we could be keeping that pattern.

So the young athletes— It's like chocolate cake when you're on a diet, right? The young athletes— It's going to be a problem. They got to capture the 90%. It's the only way right now. Like Gary's saying, it's not optimal to be going back and forth because I'm still giving that nervous system to go ahead. That's what always keeps us up at night. If my athlete's getting any sort of inside

ankle bone low, it's still alive in that backlog. It's still there. We're trying to wash it all out because it's got nothing to do with their movement. But the best we can do with what we have right now is to try to capture the 90% with their walk and their rest. And then a really clean groundwork routine, like we showed you guys, that's going to target all those big time areas and be something that they could add into their morning and their nighttime routine. It's movement maintenance. It's movement hygiene. You're brushing your teeth, you're combing your hair. You're doing the same thing at the hip and the ankle level. That's giving everybody their best chance. That'd be the same blueprint that I would send off to anybody. Get a groundwork routine, get yourself walking the ankle level, that's giving everybody their best chance. That'd be the same blueprint that I would send off to anybody.

Get a groundwork routine, get yourself walking the correct way, change your rest. And then that last 10%, if you do want to go do Olympic lifting and you don't have to go out there and run around, fly around, jump and compete, then you'll probably be okay if you're just walking around in your day to day. But if it's a high level athlete, why even take the risk? So optimally, it's not good. But for right now, that's your best bet. Taking it a step further is there is no – there's not an evaluation process out there.

There's not – one of the things that happened, the kid Grant Delpit, and Grant Delpit was like my favorite college safety ever. Okay, this kid flew around the ball. I thought he was going to be like the second coming of like a Tyron Matthew or somebody like that. Just drew to the ball phenomenally. He's had super go-to movement patterns. And then he broke down along the way, right?

The college weight room, the specialized training and all of this stuff. And it turned into a shit show one day on social media. And, you know, the guy Mo Wells, and Mo knows what he knows. He's a great speed developer and all of this stuff like that but he made a comment in a post and when he said it he said medical cleaning like in other words they gave him to me to train like they said it was okay at img to go ahead and execute my program with him so that we know that there's no process out there so if grant walks in there's no process out there. So if Grant walks in there after being in LSU's weight room for four years and doing WOTA training and he goes out to his pro day and Mo gets him and they clear him, well,

Mo's going to execute his program now. Whereas if there was some kind of better process where we could go in, do the evals, and then it may save because everybody walks in their water. And then they throw them into water workouts and it makes it worse. You could magnify it and make it worse. Whereas if the kid comes in and he's like a water hole up, dude, we're not putting a bar on your back ever. Not until you get those feet straight and inside ankle bone high and it's in your behavior. I mean, that would be the only way to even start to think about it from a perspective of trying to salvage some of the stuff that these kids are doing. But for now, for us, it's all gold or it's nothing.

I like that a lot because I mentioned this to you guys yesterday. When you go to school, they don't teach you how to learn. I mentioned this to you guys yesterday. When you go to school, they don't teach you how to learn. And when you go into the weight room, I think that they feel like they're teaching you how to lift, but they're not. No one really teaches you how to move. And you should probably learn how to move before you learn how to lift because lifting usually requires movement under external load, which probably isn't a smart thing. It kind of reminds me of something like track and field, you know, running, people sprinting. I've had track athletes in here before,

and I've asked them before, I'm like, do you know how to flex your hamstring? And they're like, I don't know how to flex. I'm like, how is that possible? You're a sprinter. You don't know how to flex your calves, your hamstrings. Like, you don't know how to get into them. Like, even just having them do some general body awareness movements,

having them do a good morning with just a light band around their back just to feel their glutes and hamstrings are like like they barely knew where they were i was like how is this possible of course you blew out your hamstring like you you don't have any kinesthetic awareness of your hamstring and what it's supposed to be doing when you're making this uh contact with the ground so i think i think you guys are dead on with some of these points. Yeah. Well, we assess in slow-mo. It's frame by frame. The slow-mo tells you you're going to blow out your hamstring.

What do you guys think of sports-specific training? Probably one of those things that may be a hot-button topic. Well, it's one of those situations like sports-specific training, you've got to play your sport. That's it. You want to throw the football better? You throw the football better. So sports-specific training would be practice.

Yeah. I'm talking about practice. You want to be a receiver, go run a route. If you're going to be a receiver, half the shit the receivers are doing now with these specialized trainers ain't even receiver work. They're not even working the education side of it. If you're in a D1

and you're going to a special, then they need to look at firing whoever the receiver coach is at that D1 if he can't get it. There's a route tree that you run. You got to know that inside and out. Now with all of these specialized releases and all of this stuff like that, they've just taken away from the route tree.

Meanwhile, the quarterback's back there getting sacked. You know what I'm saying? The main piece there is that the more tape we've poured over and the more disciplines we see that are sport-specific, as you start to look at it and you sift through it, you're like, this is all just go-to. It's all optimized under inside ankle bone high, back chain dominant.

You watch the world's best batters, the world's best pitchers, the world's best quarterbacks, the world's best tennis players, they're all doing the same shit. The world's best offensive lineman, the best running back, the best receiver, the most durable, they're all doing the same stuff. And that goes for volleyball. It could be baseball. It could be tennis.

It could be soccer. It's all locomotive. So when we're sitting here as coaches and people would ask us about sports specific or what can I do to mimic the weight room, I'm like, look around you. You're in a fucking weight room? I'm like, look around you. You're in a fucking weight room. You're cozy. You're comfy.

You got to choose. When you're on the field, you're in hell's kitchen, dude. You're in it right there. That's the only thing that gives you that experience is being in the middle of the shit and being in the huddle and you just got the wind knocked out and you're trying to breathe and you're trying to communicate the play. There's no thrill in the weight room for that moment you got to be that cat that's going to go ahead and move the team down the field so if you're a basketball player

fucking play basketball michael jordan had a for love of the game clause in his contract that said i can play basketball wherever and whenever i want he played the game constantly he played it hard if you watch him play in those pickup games, he's Michael Jordan. If you're a baseball player, go to a park, play baseball, play the game, get into the competitive, the X's and O's of the game.

That to me is sports specific training. Sitting there with a well-trained quarterback coach and letting him go over the tape with you, that's sports specific training where you can start to digest the X's and O's. But the underpinnings of what's going on under the hood, it's all back chain dominant inside ankle bone high. That's why we say rockers is good for somebody to get out of pain. It's also good if you need to go be an overhead spike specialist or you got to throw the football. It's got to be

back chain dominant inside ankle bone high because you're now in the locomotive setting. You're not in that lifting setting. The point I'd like to make, Mark, is it's problematic with the internet that a sports specific training or similar training like that is coming from young kids. So here's what you get. You get somebody like, I don't know if you ever heard of the professor, but he dribbles a lot and does a lot of cool stuff. And he's got everybody going inside ankle bone low. And about two years ago, he's doing a back step and he tears his Achilles.

And I'm like, there's the problem. You got a 28-year-old that has a little knowledge of cadaver science, creating all these new moves, and now you got millions of people buying their programs, and they got no elders. They got no historical reference to, is this going to tear up my hip and knees in 30 years? And it's a problem, you know?

I knew you was about to slam something. Dude, you had that whole thing going on right here like that. But that's the big piece that was, for me, when I first approached this was, man, like I came from that place of back pain as a young kid and you hear gilly's story about how he dealt with that in the 20s and 30s and then be able to put that off and to be still durable at his age that's like we talked about earlier the elders of goda are hurricane hawkins ida killing just as important

as michael jordan and the crawling baby and theubo. Because we need to know, does this behavior match up for the long haul? Does it stand the test of time? The more tape you watch, the more people you watch. The elders start to sift through. There's Hurricane Hawkins right there. There's Hurricane. You see the straight foot. You see the inside ankle going high.

You see the kneecap going down. That was three years ago. Yeah. That was three years ago. That's not even, you know, it's somewhat recent. He's 105. 105. 105 years old. Wow. Doing sprints. Yeah. That was three years ago. That's not even, you know, it's somewhat recent. She's 105. 105 years old.

Wow. Doing sprints? Yeah. They don't go that fast. Yeah. 105-year-old. She says it in the thing. I do a little running around each day, not a certain amount of time, just to keep everything

going. When you in the pattern, you in the pattern. Every step she's taken is in the pattern. So she could do it at 102 she just did it at 105 and then i mean hey man that cardiovascular system stays intact she might do it at 110 jim jim wendler he wrote a book called 531 massively popular um one of the things that he said is because he uh has a football background one of the things that he stated and i thought that this was pretty interesting

and I'd like to get your take on it. He said that he believes that athletes should train their upper body a little bit like a bodybuilder so they have some good strength and they have some good size and they should train the lower body like an athlete. What would you think of something like that?

It's closer to the answer than that. I'd rather try to get you guys to bend a little bit. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's closer to the answer than that. Yeah, I'd rather... I'm trying to get you guys to bend a little bit. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's closer to the... This is the thing, too. Here's what you could do. Let me say something. Because the bending thing or whatever,

man, Mark, my belief system, Andrew just fucking raised it up too much. You know what I'm saying? So for me to bend away from something... Andrew, God damn it. Yeah, it's your fault, Andrew. You watch watch Bam and you watch the size that he puts on. You see his chest and his back. He got the muscles.

He's fine. I would challenge anybody that's looking for an upper body crawl, come on down to the gym. We're going to cat crawl you next to go to Joe. I want to see you cat crawl like go to Joe does, and then I want you to stand up and I want you to tell me, have you ever had a better upper body pump? You haven't. The other part of that issue is we talk about this with our baseball players.

Arm care without foot care is no arm care at all. So you'll see these people doing bands in their crooked foot, pushing the front chain. You ain't actually speaking to the movement patterns that that athlete needs on the court. Same thing for a basketball player. I'm taking my shot. So much has to be done on the lower half to organize, to stay in a position where you're going to adhere to the global laws to shoot the shot the best way.

So anything you're seeing dynamic from an upper half movement in sports, even an O-lineman negotiating the forces through the hands, all of that is going down into the foot. So the total system organization to us overrides this compartmentalized, trenched, somewhat isolated thinking. We go away from that. Everything starts macro, 40,000 foot view.

Oh my gosh, it's a hurricane. It's energy move around the corner. We never go into the isolated unless I'm just trying to get you to tap into a certain part. Like, hey, Mark, check out that foot, that hip, but then come back and zoom out and see the whole piece working together. So when we're training our baseball players or we're training our alignment, they're using their hands, but keeping that back chain dominance and that inside ankle bone high. So while that's closer, once again, what would be 100% optimal based off the tape? It would be making sure that the whole system is paying homage while we

work so that it's closer to mimicking what the movements are going to play out like when we actually get to the field. But Gary, I've seen Bam and the guys with the weight vest and the 25 here and the 25 in the back and the 50-pound kettlebell. I mean, they got 150 pounds working in the back chain. Well, that's what I was telling Mark yesterday was we're not necessarily not using weights. We're just not using them in a traditional sense.

You know what I'm saying? We're just doing it a little different. Do you have barbells and dumbbells and stuff like that at your gym? Yeah. Yeah, we just put them on their heads. Now, I will say this. About four or five years ago, we threw out about $70,000 of equipment. When I say throw it out,

I put it on the street. Oh, shit. When I told Gilly, Gilly... What kind of equipment? Fucking reverse hypers and all that shit. Barbells, yeah.

A lot of different shit. Like hammer strength type stuff, machines, that kind of shit. Yeah, machines and stuff, any kind of stuff like that, we put out there. Trap bars.

Skiers, skiers, trap bars. Things, you know Skiers. Trap bars. Things, you know. And we had good shit. Like, you know, I took, I had a couple of different treadmills that we were using and I walked away from that. Now I use Speed Tread. Now both you guys have had a lifting background before, right?

I didn't, but I lifted all my athletes. I haven't done shit. But you had them squatting and deadlifting and stuff, but then you got rid of those movements, right? Yeah, we got rid of all my athletes. I haven't done shit. But you had them squatting and deadlifting and stuff, but then you got rid of those movements, right? Yeah, we got rid of all of that. What happened was when Gilly came,

when Jamal Chase had the injury, we already had two guys that was doing it. It was Joe that was kind of starting to get into it and Donald Clay Jr.

He's the first recoded growth plate athlete. So we had a grown man and then we had a growth plate athlete, an adolescent, which those two factors are important too because it's easier to recode the adolescent because he's still growing, right? But he also could be tougher from the behavioral standpoint outside of the gym, meaning like he might be sitting down playing a video game when he's not with you.

But when Gilly came to me with all of this stuff, and I was like, I bought the iPad. I started watching. I'm like, all right, listen. Because he was just renting a little space from me in the front. I'm like, Gilly, it's time. He's like, what is time for? I'm like, it's time for you to either fucking put some money into this thing. Because another thing, too, was brick and mortars are tough.

You know what I'm saying? I was drowning. And then if I was going to change a system, I had to have a level of comfortability to make that change, which was going to free up my creativity, too, inside of this thing. Because he was like, dude, I don't give a fuck what goes on on that turf as long as it's inside Inklebone High and back chain dominant. And I'm like, well, now I got to fucking think again. Because I've been listening to what everybody else been saying you know what i'm saying so when he did that i was like look come in come in as a partner and then that's what we did and i mean i would say that uh i got kind of a quick question those two kids still haven't

got hurt i got a little bit of a quick question here i've seen you guys use you know kind of almost like a slant board yeah a slant board type of thing. It's to kind of slant the feet, I guess, like outward towards the pinky toe, like shift some of the balance towards the outside of the foot and keep people

on their toes sort of deal. Do you think that something could just be put in a shoe? Could somebody have a little bit of a kind of shiv type thing in the shoe to push them that way? Or is that a really horrible idea? No, I wouldn't do it because an orthopedic don't work. Yeah, you want your body. It's got to be behavioral.

It's got to be conscious to become subconscious, right? subconscious, right? So in order for us to do that, what you're seeing with the slant boards and stuff like that is more on a recoding side. When you get down to the gym and we going wide open, we might not have boards out there. We want to get you off the board. We want to get you onto the surface. Think of it as training wheels. Yeah, exactly. So you had said something earlier about people not having awareness. And the way I used to coach before gary uh made me go to the floor was i would keep him inside ankle bone high without no support and then i would get these issues like with jamar we got in a big fight one day he almost kicked my ass right down the floor um where he couldn't he couldn't do it and i'm like i went and i went and took a slam board, and I pitched it sideways,

and I said, get up on here. And the inside ankle bone went high, and we got some sense of kinesthetic awareness. And I think if you start people on a board and then wean them down to the grass, it just helps speed up the process. But, I mean, these guys can coach with no boards. It's just a tool in the chest. What kind of pain were you in? You were in pain for a long time.

Yeah, well, I have three degenerative discs. I was an early adopter to WOTA. So, I mean, I'm just one of those kids that got it and got it bad. I did everything wrong. We used to wear tighty-whities in the 70s, and I got a little thick. I'm a little thick guy. So, the skin between my legs, my thighs, started to run together like fire.

And back then, there was no jockeys, you know. So I started walking with a wide stance. And then I'm a big guy, so I was an offensive lineman in middle school. And in high school, my doctor told me to stop because I got Osgood-Slaughter, which was the first sign of my WOTA. So I got these big bumps underneath my knees. So that turned into, that duck walk turned into it. But I always loved the weights I had at 13.

You used to walk with your feet pointed out? Not when I was, no, at 12 years old, I was this goad. I was bitty basketball all-star. It took about three years for me to WOTA-fy myself. When I was high school, I got cut off my high school basketball team. And the exact words of my coach was, you got bad feet, bad hips.

And I'm like, I want to fix it. I've never been cut off a high school basketball team. I don't know how to fix that. You just got it.

And then I got cut and that was it for me. That was my career. But now your feet are pointed at each other when you're standing.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, when I was 21 years old, I was back squatting, warm up weight. And this is another thing that Ricky keeps saying. Well, if you've been back squatting since you was 13 and here you are at 21 and you just take a 45 pound bar and a couple of 25s to warm up, you have a back episode. It didn't work, right?

All those inputs didn't strengthen my back. So, you know, and a couple years later, I had another back episode, and then I started having two a year, and then three a year, and then I went and got an image, and I lost my L5S1, but it turns into what's called chronic pain after a while.

It never goes away. The first few, when I was 21 to 23, I got them. Six weeks later, I felt normal, but then when I was about 25, it started getting real, but what it is is it's level, so sometimes it's just soreness, discomfort, I got him. Six weeks later, I felt normal. But then when I was about 25, he started getting real. But what it is is it's level.

So sometimes it's just soreness, discomfort. Sometimes it feels like there's an ice pick in your back, and it never goes away. And when it doesn't go away after a year, you know you got problems. But I had six chiropractors in eight years. I had a biomechanical doctor. And how did you stumble upon this stuff? Well, it started about two weeks before I was going to have a cage put in my back. And when I was younger, I was like a voracious reader on business development.

I was following Tony Robbins and a bunch of those guys. And they taught me how to goal set and do all this cool stuff and take chances. So, you know, I was tony's website one night doing his neurolinguistic programming i think he changed it to nac or something like that but and he had a little thing he said this guy saved my knee if you got pain in your body you should do this and he turned me on to pd goski which was my original mentor and pete's work is posture and function. His posture belief system is aligning the gyroscopes collinear, but he calls it load bearing joints. And from the side view, he calls dynamic tension,

which I'm 100% against because indigenous people don't have dynamic tension. That would mean you would move backwards the same amount of time you would move forward. So we call it back chain dominance. So my second, so I postponed surgery December 1999, and I never did have surgery. He got me out of back pain just with posture and function work.

But what he couldn't do was when I started doing triathlons in 08, a decade later, I started getting hip pain because I was a reverse mover. And nobody in the organization, and I had become a postural assessment specialist because I was a reverse mover and nobody in the organization had become a postural assessment specialist because I love the work, but I couldn't figure out how to get out of hip pain when I started running again and I wanted to figure it out. So I started looking around and I found Noelle Perez. She died two years ago. She was from France. She was a documentary and she was an artist and she stumbled upon backchain dominant by drawing indigenous people and then she put three ladies on the street in america jean couch noelle perez and kathleen

porter but they taught it in a static environment so i studied their work and i said oh this secret number two pop pop and then watching indigenous people in in um slow motion video after a few years i'm like man everybody's in that grok squat. They're always in that grok squat. And you know you talk about Kelly, and I got nothing but good things to say about Kelly the human being. And he did me a big favor like back in 11. I called him up.

I was like, man, I'm an EGOSQ coach. He said, dude, just professional courtesy. Just come on over. But what got my attention with Kelly was he would drop down in that grok squat. And I was like, there's something here. So I was just looking. But the pain was bad.

I was suicidal. When I was 33 years old, my little boy was three. He wanted to wrestle with me, and I couldn't. There was a night where I wanted to commit suicide. It had gotten that bad. And what happens is the body's not meant to live in all that pain. So you start to kind of see red. And then you're like, okay, this is my life now.

Can I do this for another? I'm 33. And that little boy is like, his rite of passage is to wrestle with his dad. And I couldn't do it. And, you know, and there was some things sexually that I could not do, like any position but the bottom.

And at 33, when you're a bon fide stud and you can't do that, you're okay with checking out. And I was right there. I made it back. Awesome. How about for you? How did you get yourself out of pain? These cats right here.

I mean, I was, like I told you a little bit, from freshman year, sophomore year of high school, I'd always have these back episodes. Every now and again, the back would tweak. I'd have to take two, three weeks off. It kept going. It kept going. And I really started to look at movement when I was going into the NFL draft, because I felt that my skillset was not going to match what was needed at the next level. And I was right. It didn't. And so I was always looking for how do I get the ball out of my hand quicker? How do I deliver the pass more accurately? Why is my left hip burning

up? Why? So I was in this, like, I want to stay on an NFL team. I want to, I want to play, but my body's not giving me the clearance to do that from a pain standpoint and from a performance standpoint. So during really those years from 2011 to 2019, I was just looking anywhere for any sort of something that would give me an answer to help me stay on a team. And I would just put little pieces together. And really the breakthrough for me came when I read a book called Muscles and Meridians that led me to Spinal Engine. And it was about nature and Spinal Engine.

And those two things brought me to Gilly and Gary. And they were the only ones linking that, man, there's a wave motion going on here and it's located in nature. And I was like, I'm in. And then Gilly's like, get yourself an iPad and start watching tape. And I'm like, dude, watching tapes, all I've done since eighth grade, cause I'm a quarterback. So I got the, I had this big, beautiful bookshelf with all these movement books. And now this man comes in here, he's like, grab the iPad. And it was probably one conversation at nighttime where we were going back and forth in the DM and he was talking about the squat and he was talking about the heels down. And then he showed me an ACL shred. And that was like, it was a Eureka moment. Like it was done. Like my cup was so

empty. I had two cups that were empty. I was like, someone fill this shit up with real answers because I can't handle it anymore. And that was the moment where I was like, oh, we're patterning the heels down in the weight room, and then I'm taking the heels down to the field. And it was just like, oh, shit, this is it. We got to go. And then it was just, shit, within three weeks, we were on regular calls with each other because the cup was empty.

My back had been still going out at that point, you know, here and there. And then I hear Gilly's story and I'm like, oh shit, I'm going to be in a cage. Oh shit. My left hip, what Gilly sees on tape is that's going to be a hip replacement. That's going to be a knee on my right side. My dad has, he was a double knee replacement candidate. So all these things came, you know, kind of flooding towards me. And I was like, wow, this is it.

This is what I've been looking for for almost close to a decade. And since that day that I knew how to get my hips back, no back pain. You know, since that day I knew how to get my feet underneath me, the knee goes away. And it's just like, shit, like this is so powerful. I will say this. The most talented people in the world like Ricky are going to come find us. Because what I've done is I've given people the right to raise their hand and say, I'm hurting too. So what happens is I introduce them to this mathematical equation we call GODA, primal wisdom, spiral wave. And then I just let nature take its course.

And what happens with these guys is three or four years later and they fired up because they they know that where they were four years ago and they couldn't run and they had back episodes and their hips hurt and their knees are aching and then they're four years older and they feel 10 years younger than when they started thousand percent so nature is now speaking to them as as he always says. It's just the best transferable technology you're ever going to use. I don't even like to call it fitness or sports performance. I just call it nature's way. We are a representation, our human body, of a wave.

This is just our version of a wave. E20 has an awesome comeback story, and you were sharing with me that you had drug and alcohol issues. How did you come back from that? Because that's not an easy thing to figure out. Really, you know, I'm a very spiritual person. I'm not a holy roll on or anything like that. But I was traveling around the country. I was coaching and stuff.

And I was playing this underhand softball circuit. And I slid in the second one week and just trying to, you know, live out the dream that I never did because I played baseball. But I slid in the second two. I showed up, went to the emergency room. I got a cortisone shot, a bottle of Icon, and 11 years later, I'm sitting on the corner with nothing but a Boost mobile phone with my mom on the other line telling me that it's over. You're not going to see your daughter no more.

I had a 10-year-old, 9-year-old at the time. And this is it. Like, don't come to us no more. You can't. And I was basically bouncing couch to couch. I had a car for a little while. I'd sleep in the car. Or, you know, I was at the hospital because I'd spend the night in the hospital

every now and then, just trying to lay in the emergency room, just sit there like I was waiting for somebody or something like that. And I was sitting out there on that corner one day, and I was dope sick. I was in bad withdrawals. And I ran out of minutes on my phone. And when that happened, there was this, like, man, something in my stomach, like this pit. And it was that bottom.

You know, they talk about that bottom that you got to hit. And I was like, God, like, I know I'm more talented than this. You know what I'm saying? I know I'm better than this. I know my parents did better for me than this. They gave me the opportunity, and I never took it. And I kind of got up at that moment, and I found my way to God. I had some pills or something.

I took them. I got myself out. I called my mom up. I'm like, look, I'll fucking do anything. Send me to rehab. Send me wherever you want. I went that day. The next day, I went into into and i actually wrote a book

called recoded imagine that right recoded the gary shuffler story or whatever and uh addiction story or addict story recoded an addict story but um at that i went into treatment and i was in detox and not you know the i got i got the dope sick out of me and all was in detox and not, you know, the, I got, I got the dope sick out of me and all of that stuff. And then immediately the brain starts going back into the addict behavior and addict mentality. And I'm like, man, I'm just going to go, I'm going to do this little 30 day program somewhere. My parents are going to let me back. You know, you got it all figured out. And some guy grabbed a hold on me one day and he said, Hey man, listen. Um, and we start talking and he's, you know know he's got like five

years sober some shit like that and i'm like uh he's like dude man you talented dude you got you been coaching your whole life you an athlete you know you played ball i thought i was an athlete but um you know he he was like you can save somebody's life and i'm like you know what fucking saving somebody's life sounds better than destroying my own. So at that moment right there, I decided that I was never going to go back to that. And 11 and a half years later. There you go, dog. I never did. That's it. That's awesome, man. It's amazing that you guys all found each other. So super cool. We're on the same vibration. That's what I always say. It's like, it's a frequency and you tap into it and we find these people, they're vibing off of that. Like they're,

they're, they're looking, it's the, it's the empty cup. It's the white belt, white belt mentality. You're looking for answers and they're always pointing back to nature. And you just got this cat over here, pointing his finger, like, look there. That was one of the cool things with Gillies. He never told me anything. He's just go look, see it for yourself, prove me wrong. And I was like, okay, here we go. And then I learned through that just, I learned through nature. You learn through what you're looking at. It's not anybody telling you.

If you point people in the right direction, they're going to be okay because they're going to try to prove you wrong. That's all I'm asking. Prove me wrong. Show me. Find us an inside ankle bone high, non-contact, catastrophic injury. Find one. Like what you saw with that Alabama kid. Find me one like that where the inside ankle bone high, non-contact, catastrophic injury. Find one. Like what you saw with that Alabama kid.

Find me one like that where the inside ankle bone is high, and he sets a bone, and he corners it, but he blows his knee. It just can't happen. I used to do crazy stuff. If you find one, I'll give you $10,000. People would be like looking for it. If you find one, he'll give you $10,000. I do have one, and it give you $10,000. Fuck that. Give me the $10,000.

I do have one, and it's back to the planes of motion. So I've got a picture of a little – I don't know if it's a Jamaican kid, but it looks like they're from the islands, and they're doing 100. And the one kid is real fast, but he's bowlegged. And bowlegged has to be mitigated. It's hard to get rid of it completely. But bowlegged by default means you have a linear technology laterally. And, man, this kid was running, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And then the bow started to go lateral instead of rotary. And I was like, it got so bad, man. He came down, blew out his LCL. But that's not go to. Bowlegs is not go to. Bow legs is not go to. We're a foot and ankle complex with a tornado above it. So it's not linear. It's not supination.

Yeah, because somebody tried to throw me under the bus. They tried to throw me under the bus saying, bro, you're teaching bow leg. I'm like, no, I'm not teaching bow leg. I know you're enjoying this clip, but listen up. We have this beef company, Piedmontese Beef, that no matter what diet you're doing, whether it's low fat, high fat, carnivore, keto, whatever, they have perfect cuts that are going to fit your diet perfectly. And the cool thing, Andrew, less connective tissue, so you're not going to have those gristly, nasty things that you have to spit out when you eat beef. That's what those are? That's what those are.

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And if your order is $150 or more, you get free two-day shipping. Again, that's at piedmontese.com, promo code POWER. Let's go ahead and get back to this podcast. Well's the whole trying to figure out andrew i'm not teaching boland andrew seen it last night right the guy gets on there and he's like hey hey make sure you tell mark bell how you hate him and he's destroying everybody's joints in america he's uh what is it it was like giving knee cancer yeah some shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That power lifting is the cancer to connective tissue or something. And it's like, we made comments. You know what I'm saying?

Like full accountability. It obviously works. That dude's been triggered. Oh, dude, he was pissed. He's been running that tape in his mind. The fact that you brought us on this show is going to be like, two things is going to happen. Number one, they're going to be pissed for a second.

And then they're going to say, well, fuck bell is doing it mark did rockers i'll give him a try but only because mark bell did it not because y'all said so right hey uh yeah and i'd like to say something because i had to do something that i'm still not ashamed of but but you know i had to come out and be kind of a bully, which is not even me. I'm an affable, I mean, I play golf four days a week. We gamble, we drink beer, you know what I'm saying? We hang out. But I couldn't sit there on that couch

and watch it anymore. I was there at 11, and I had the math, and I didn't really know how to coach it well. I knew I had the three pre-movement fundamentals and the traveling drills and the stuff on the inside, me and Gary figured out later, but I could create go tos, you know, but I could see that I needed to represent people who didn't have a voice and these teenagers don't have a voice. They're being forced to lift.

I did. I signed up to be you. I wanted to be a good looking guy with the six pack abs, with the jaw. But I didn't sign up for back pain. I didn't sign up for three degenerative discs. I didn't sign up for a decade of losing high quality time. When you're in your 20s, this is it. That's when you climb the Himalayas.

That's when you surf in Hawaii. That's when you're having a good time. And I missed it. You know, I missed it. I lost a decade. Yeah, that's why I tell these guys up good time and i didn't get i missed it you know i missed i lost a decade yeah that's why i tell these guys uh because they pretty much run in the institute now i'm like i i don't want to be here if i don't have to i want to be playing golf i lost 10 years of my life but um but i apologize really to anybody who i've really hurt their feelings but we're healers who who we didn't even have a voice because they were just drowning us out

but the math wins best practices always win and I knew we would be here one day I didn't know how but I knew if I just kept fighting for people's knees and fighting for their hips and fighting for their spines and sooner or later people, yeah, we do have a problem. We can no longer ignore these 10 million people every year growing at 15% having unexplained joint repair and replacement surgeries. We can't ignore it. And what they used to tell me is, well, you know, it's because people gain weight. And I'm so glad I did 67 sprint triathlons.

I did them at 280. I did them at 270. I did them at 250. One year, at 270. I did them at 250. One year, I got all the way down to 240, and I was running sub-10s off the bike. Like, for me, a big guy to run under 10-minute miles off the bike. So I did it at the highest weight, 280, and at 240. And I'm still doing it.

So it's not weight. It's movement and efficiency. What you got, Andrew? In the gym, I was joking, but I'm like, what the fuck took you guys so long to get here? Because I am so grateful that we've all met and you guys have come out here. And, I mean, I'm going to make it my job to make this the most popular episode we've ever done. Wow. Having you guys here has been phenomenal.

But when we were working together, the first day with the assessments, you saw three different athletes. You know, myself, back pain, fairly stuck. Mark has a couple of nagging injuries, a little bit more stuck in certain areas. And then Chris Bell, who was very stuck with two fake hips. You know, he kind of, you know, he dipped out from time to time. We're like, no, get back here. Let's keep working. For people that are very stuck, they're kind of almost probably at a crossroads like well this shit's working for

now it's not the greatest but man that's a long road to fix everything i might as well just keep going this way how soon can somebody start to see some benefits like even if they have to regress like uh you guys call them um when we when chris couldn't do some of the movements you called them something in instruction uh i forgot what you correct correct correct correct there you go sorry yeah so even with that like how like like what does that road look like for somebody that is like really really stuck um those like i said before those people tend to, they get like, I got to find what's right. Right. So everything's like a crossroad.

Let's say every exercise is a crossroad. And, and, and I, and I learned a lot of this from Gilly. Like I had the opportunity that I made him work in the beginning. Like he didn't get to play golf four days a week before he was in the gym four days a week with me.

Cause I'm like, dude, I got to know what the fuck, you know, you know what I'm saying? So he, we would get these before. He was in the gym four days a week with me. Because I'm like, dude, I got to know what the fuck you know. You know what I'm saying? So we would get these people that would come in. And he was basically yesing and knowing a lot of my programming and stuff to the point where it's like, Gary, stop bringing this shit to me. You're good.

You got it now. But with the correctives, sometimes it's not the stuff that you see in this do on social media. It stays very close to the math, but you might have to change things. Like Chris has the one side that's more bold than the other. I had to find an exercise that worked for him, and we found it at the end with the mitigator. Now I could give him a heavy dosage of that to kind of draw that knee in, and he's like, man, you know, my knee feels good now. Like I don't feel that same little bit of pain. So everybody's different. The other thing too is, is, is how much are they willing to put into it? Again, it's like everything else in life, right? It's not hard work. I love when you said that it's work. Work is just getting out there and doing,

you know, getting past that whole thing. Well, I don't feel like getting on the ground today. And then three days later, they're back in knee pain. So the more of the good input that you give, the better. So we could get the same result as far as pain level goes with a high-level athlete that we could get with a grandma that's on the couch all day. You know what I'm saying? It just depends on what they're willing to put into it.

That's a good segue for me to help Mark. So, Mark, I lived in the front chain with the duck feet. I tore up my back for so long that when I decided to work with Pete and get my posture right, and I decided to play the game of go to, the math of go to. I said, well, I lived like this for so long, I'm going to code myself slightly pigeon-toed like Ed Reed. Because if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me. But I don't want to be in those places that I was up until I was 44.

I mean, I just don't want to go there. So you can do whatever you want in go to. You can have a big toe straight. You can have a tech second, second toe straight. You can be back chain, nine degrees, eight degrees. As long as you click, it's a ballpark. The human body is amazing. It's got an ability to be very resistant. You got to be close. The problem is, is we're not even close. Makes sense a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely. And then can somebody somebody like or maybe how about this is there some movements or something like that's like step one for people to start noticing

something so they can be like whether it be back pain knee pain what can it be what can they do right now like they're listening maybe like what i got i got one yeah and you know it's called an awareness an awareness not drill but an awareness exercise just butt in just for a second if you go to get on the ground and the ground hurts you have a problem yeah even if the ground is kind of like even if the ground's uh kind of like not soft if the ground is soft and you get on the ground and it hurts your knees and your feet and your ankles you have an even bigger problem, I think. Yeah.

You got to address that. Andrew, another thing too is we have a website, gotomovement.com. You could go there. There's DIY courses. There's DIY workouts. There's a link to find a go-to coach. Anything that you want is available to you there. Wherever you want to start and get in there and get a little intro, if you want to start with a DIY

course or something like that, I built another phase of it where it's weekly workouts and stuff to where these people could go to that page and you could find everything. If you're somebody that wants to be in a gym with a go-to coach, we got it mapped out where the go-to coaches are. Everything is

found at gotomovement.com. It's just that one landing place where you can find everything. Perfect. Yeah, that's what I was going to build up to is like if somebody can follow something like a program on their own. You want to see the show? You go to the Instagram page. So, Andrew, so here's a good awareness show. And I had to have the intuition enough to believe some of the stuff that I was awoke. I had, and one of the things I did to identify it was I'd be in the shower and my wife would

have been in there with the oils and all that. And I would get in the shower, even though I did 10 years worth of posture work. And I'd get in the shower and, you know, and all of a sudden I'd look down, my feet would be pointing out, and I'd put them straight. And then they would be out. And I was like, why is the oil? Is it the oil? Your posture, the way you present yourself is unconscious.

So the movement is unconscious. So when I put my foot down in that or some sand, some slippery sand, and all of a sudden the feet go out, you woe to. That's who you are. Because you're like a sponge, the fascia and all that's connected to. So it's just going to go to what the sponge is. You take a sponge, you let it dry a certain way, it's crooked, that's who you are. What about when you go to squat down?

I've noticed that for me, when I go to squat down, my toes will automatically want to go out. You have no length. Correct. It's the ankle being locked up. We call that access. You don You have no length. Correct. It's the ankle being locked up. We call that access. You don't have access. Backchain. If that foot is straight,

like we talk about that platform that is my foot, it needs, the word would kind of be like some disassociation there. Because that ankle, that shin bone that's sitting plugged into the foot, it's a ball and socket. So it's got to have its ability to turn. So when you see someone go to turn the foot out,

it's because the ankle's locked up. You're trying to match the foot to the hip because the ankle don't do it no more. So when you see someone go to turn the foot out, it's because the ankle's locked up. You're trying to match the foot to the hip because the ankle don't do it no more. So your foot and your ankle just become this glued concrete piece that you have to open up so that your hip can get there. That's why we give you the rockers. We give you the toe tuck and the bolts to try to get the foot straight. But from an awareness drill standpoint, Andrew, to kind of speak back, I think just standing is a really good one that, because we put Chris on the ground and his knees started to bark. So there might be some people out there listening that they go down, they might get frustrated, but a really cool standing drill is the old hips against the counter. So most of us, if you picture yourself standing at a counter,

everybody leans that hip against the counter. Everybody right now can visualize that. Pull your hip off the counter. That's you moving into the back chain, getting that hip to play behind the rib. Now go back and put your hip against the counter. Go crooked foot, go inside ankle bone low. Feel how everything funnels down and in to the front side. It gets compressed. Now take your hip or first bring your feet closer together and then pull your hip away from the counter and get your inside ankle bones high. Now you'll feel the system lengthen out. That's a great little inside ankle bone high, back chain dominant awareness drill kind of wrapped into having some sort of tactile feedback with an object in front of me that I can start to kind of, oh, okay, I don't want to go that way.

I want to start trending this way. And that's sort of that beginning piece that we want to give to people is the education and the awareness. If I'm just aware of it at first, I can start to build this momentum to make that recode. Like you had asked about, okay, someone like Chris, how do we start? I look at it as like my WOTA, whatever I saw in my assessment is this big, heavy rock that's shaped like a ball. And when I start to push that ball, the first couple yards, the first, And when I start to push that ball, the first couple yards, it's hard. It's slow. As I build momentum, I start to pick up speed, and it gets easier to push that rock.

So if you look at your recode sort of in the same way, at the beginning it feels like, wow, damn, this is a lot. But as you start to build momentum, that sort of initial like, whoa, I'm so locked up, that changes in a week. And then week two is even better. Week three. So it's a quick road to start moving in the right direction. But some people need a little bit of help, a little bit of awareness. Go reach out for a coach or start to look at some of those programs to see what fits you. And if you're having problems, you're still having pain, then you know you need someone there to help you and put you into a better spot. Yeah. And before I forget, it was so funny when they were doing our assessment, I swear, like, I stood there for two seconds.

They could figure out why my back was hurting within seconds, and I swear I heard Gary just be like, oh, shit. Like, yep. We got some work. Hey, let me say something else, too. He did the Ben Affleck eye roll. He was like, Jesus. Here we go, guys.

Listen, I'm going to tell you something else, too, because he said something, and I know somebody's going to say something out there. Yes, he did say the ankle is a ball and socket, and yes, it is. I don't give a fuck what your history book says. It's a ball and socket because we seem to behave at the highest level and the safest people. It's right there. The design is right there. The cadaver science people, they don't even got their own world right. I mean, you teach the ankle as a hinge. Where in, you know, where'd you get that from? Like, did you look at the talus? If you just look at it, I tell, I challenge our coaches

to do this, go onto Pinterest or go on Google images and type in the talus, type in these things. Don't worry about what it's called. That's just getting you to the visuals. Just look at it. There's, we, we laughed one time at a lab weekend. I go, Gilly, look, and he goes, what? I go,

all the writing for that image of the foot is in German, but it didn't fucking matter. Cause we don't worry about the, the, the words. We're looking at the structure. Like Gilly always goes up there and he's got, we got all these fractals of nature on the back wall,

you know, showing up in flowers and hurricanes and Gilly will show the curve of the hurricane or the curve of the flower. And then he'll go to the foot and he'll show you the curve of the bones everything wants to work that way so just by looking under the hood but going back to the movement first right watching the tape watching how it moves looking at its anatomy watching how it moves looking at its anatomy like oh that's how it plays through space that's see why the supination, pronation, flex, extend makes no sense. It doesn't add up when you put on the tape.

So you've got the tape, and you've got that under-the-hood understanding, and it's just powerful. It's how we're able to look at you after a second and go, yep, left side. I think you guys need a go-to stick, you know, to just smack people with it. I do. He's got a golf club, a little mini golf club. I was going to bring it. It's kind of the size of this samurai, but it was a mini golf club. It was one of the first weekends that I was going to bring it. It's kind of the size of this samurai,

but it was a mini golf club. It was one of the first weekends that I was down there. And it was this, Gilly was showing me through a golf club how the hip played. And I was like, oh, and I'm like, what if I just put a tennis ball on the end of that golf club? So it looks more like a ball and socket. And then we started to play around with it and we would use it to teach.

But now we use it as a stick to kind of tap the foot, tap the hip, move your hip back, get the ankle bone high. But yeah, it is. It's a discipline. You know, we always talk about what I call the collective delusion or the cognitive entrenchment, the inability to question. And I got to give Bam some love on this one because he was telling me this this morning. He said, you know, we go to school and we get the information from the teacher and then the teacher gives us a test and then the answer to that test is you know yes no you get it right it's yes you

get it no then after a while we are we begin to program our brains to say i gotta answer the test right and do you never pick up your hand and question. What's being tested? Yeah. You don't have the right. So now, what happened to me, especially before you got here, Rick, and a few of you guys, and Gary watched me go through the hell of social media, but people would say, where is the study?

And I'm like, what do you need a study for? I got 4K slow motion video. This is the latest and greatest technology. The NFL uses it. The NBA uses it. I said, you go to a judge, and he's got you on videotape raping somebody. You think they're going to say this ain't science?

And they would tell me, slow motion video is not science, Coach. You're a farce. Only a scientist would say that. But I mean mean they can't even they could people can't question anything anymore and i'm like no i'm not doing it my back is speaking for everybody now all the smartest people i ever met they don't have the right answers they got the right questions yeah that's the way i look at it and you guys all have

unconventional thought yeah kind of like that's how you landed on this by uh your own life experiences even pain being the ultimate teacher giving you guys wisdom to investigate more like for yourself just investigating like i got more inside of me like i'm not supposed this isn't my this isn't my life this is stupid i i'm way better than this i could figure this out and for you with uh the different pain that you had you're like i I can solve this. You being a great athlete, having all the exposure to sports, all the exposure to all those different coaches over the years, you're like, why in the hell can't someone come along and help me? And the answer to that is no, they can't come along and help you. You got to turn that question into

when am I going to put the onus on myself and when am i gonna go and help myself how do i help myself and i think that's what all three of you guys have done great and then now you're in a position to help so many more people andrew take us on out here buddy all right after one quick question um yeah i have a stand sit to stand desk i have this lumbar support i have a couple of other things that I've gotten for myself in hopes that it's going to help with my back. They're going to say throw it away. Are there any products that are legitimately beneficial? Get a nice Sazer chair.

Yeah, and what's a Sazer chair? No, get a nice kneeling chair. How do you spell that? Get a kneeling chair. S-E-I-Z-A. Get a good kneeling chair. Sazer. S-E-I-Z-A. Do you want some spelling bees over chair. S-E-I-Z-A. Get a good kneeling chair. Seiza. S-E-I. Do you want some spelling bees over there?

S-E-I-Z-A. Rick's the smartest one. The way he answered that question. Listen, he always. He's zoned in. It just was like. We always joke around because Gillies owns a company called ABC Title. They do five minute drivers license renewals and title companies and all.

And we was like, you know, it's crazy that a license plate salesman, a fucking junkie, and a washed-up quarterback is going to be the ones to change the fitness industry. You know, Mark, you had said something just now, and I was like, well, how did I have the intuition to do this? And this is how it happened.

First of all, I had to have a wrecked back to even be looking. Second, because I'm a golfer, we adopted slow motion video in 1995. That's it. That's how to use it. Yeah. And then I had, lucky enough, because Tony Robbins and all the personal motivating people that I studied their work, I hustled until I had enough businesses cash flowing. And then once I had enough businesses cash flowing, then I could just get on a plane and say, I want to go see Egoscue Method.

I want to go see Noel Perez's people. I want to go see Kelly. And I would just go to, and then the animal flow. And then the movement. And I would just go to, and I would just sit and just, what are they teaching? I don't know. But I'm looking for something. And then I would write stuff down until the geometry presented itself to me.

I like that you started with the finances because that's actually really smart. And I think a lot of people, they'll say, like, I don't really care about money. And they get weird about it. But it's like if the finances are there, it just makes everything way more convenient. It makes it a lot easier. Andrew, take us on out of here. All right. Officially will.

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There's also go to performance team too, which is kind of like what we're doing right now is we're developing a concept where these athletes come in and we do exactly what we did with y'all. They come in on a Monday. We eval and we put them through three or four days of work. And then they'll have the option to hire us after that point. We also got a YouTube at GoToMovement and an IG at GoToMovement that are kind of reflecting their fractal and that mothership of the website.

So if you're looking for kind of some free exercise or some more info from a visual standpoint, check that out on YouTube because there's some good stuff over there as well. I'm at Mark Smelly Bell. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you all later. Bye.