Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP 715 - Dr. Lisa Wiedeman: 13 Year Carnivore Diet, Is This Enough Proof We Don't Need Veggies?

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

Dr. Lisa Wiedeman is an optometric physician, carnivore coach who has helped hundreds with their own carnivore diets, and has been on the carnivore diet for 13 years. She was able to reverse skin and eating issues through the carnivore diet and is thriving and looking better than ever at 57 years of age. Follow Lisa on IG: https://www.instagram.com/carnivoredoctor/ Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://verticaldiet.com/ Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% off your first order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

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I'm ready to go. You're ready. Okay, let's roll then. How you doing, doctor? Just great. How are you? I'm excited to have you here because we talk about

eating meat all the time. We talk about being meat-based, but we're dudes. And so sometimes when we try to share this message, I think that people don't think that everyone could participate. But you've been doing this style of eating for way longer than even we have. Thirteen years to be exact. than even we have. 13 years to be exact.

And so grateful to have found it because it's really changed my life. And I really only came into this carnivore, let's say social media world more recently because I started seeing that there was people saying, well, yeah, that's great, Mark. You eat meat. It looks like it's working great, but you can't sustain that. It's not sustainable.

You can't do that long term. It can't be healthy long term. And I kept hearing that over and over, and I was just like, hello, yeah, here I am 13 years later feeling better than ever. I feel like in a way, I hate to use the term reverse aging, but I feel that everybody who comes to it has noticed dramatic improvements in the way they feel, the way they look. And to hear people say you're going to end up with a heart attack, you're going to kill yourself, it just – it really triggers me because I'm like, no, it can be farther from the truth. This is the natural ancestral diet. This is the way our bodies are meant to be nourished.

And that's really the bottom line for it, you know, really. Do you think that people need to draw as hard of a line as you did? Because you kind of make it sound like maybe about 13 years ago that you just stopped eating sugar and just made this real commitment. I'm sure there's a lot of reasons we can get into those. But do you think that other folks need to kind of adhere to that same stringent kind of discipline? No, I certainly feel there's absolute huge improvements in health just by eliminating sugar, grains, processed foods, and all seed oils. I mean, if somebody just started with that, did that, they'd probably notice dramatic improvement in their health. And so to say you have to go, let's say, full bore and give up vegetables, nuts,

and give up vegetables, nuts, seeds, and fruit because that's really that fringe stuff outside of sugar grains and the seed oils. No, I feel because you can get such a health benefit by not going full bore, great. For me personally, after doing all the research and seeing how toxic vegetables really can be and they have phytates, lectins, things that are really not healthy for us, things that are meant to keep them on earth and keep us from eating them. I was like, well, why am I putting that in my body? And then we'll go into the fruit thing with the fructose. And then we'll go into the fruit thing with the fructose. Any taste of sweet for anybody who – and those of you out there will know what I'm talking about. Giving up the taste of sweet is really difficult. Sugar is addictive.

And for me personally, fruit will also continue to trigger the cravings. And so that's why I draw the line because this lifestyle is so simple without including all that other extraneous noise that causes cravings and issues for me. That's my reasoning. But for somebody who maybe is not so strongly addicted to the taste of sweet and doesn't keep what I call falling in the ditch, it's so easy when you're out in social situations, holidays, vacations to say, oh, well, just this time. And then next thing you know, you're down the slippery slope and eating that junk again. How many days do you think someone would have to experiment with something like a meat-based diet to kind of get exactly what you're talking about? Like you think someone

just maybe just give it a go for three to five days or something like that? I mean, I've coached people for about 12 years now and I strongly recommend that it's a 90-day trial. A lot of people say 30 days, you know, World Carnivore Month's 30 days. That's a great way to start. But to really feel the effects of it and to get over the keto adaptation and getting your body to say, oh, wait a minute, hey, you're not putting junk in there anymore. This is what we're dealing with. And to start feeling benefits, because you have to remember, people are eating for decades, 20, 30, 40, 50 years, before they now pick up something that somebody says that says,

huh, plants a seed to say, let me try this carnivore thing. But they've had decades of their bodies being inflamed from having that garbage, sugar, grains, and seed oils in them. Your body's not going to flip on a switch and in five days say, I feel great. Some people might have a fairly quick response to it, but I would say do the 90 days. You can learn so much in 90 days, and 90 days is just a blip on the radar as far as your life. So that's where I feel you'll get the most benefit out of seeing if it's going to work for you. When you mentioned the sugar is addictive, and I want to know for you,

what is the effect on you when you, let's say, when's the last time you reintroduced fruits actually since you've been carnivore for 12 years or 13 years? Yeah, well, I did not reintroduce sugars. And way back at the beginning of carnivore, I experimented. We're getting over our heads today. She's hardcore. We'll find out. Yeah, well, and only because for me, it's what really works and it's what makes me feel good.

And I know how horrible it is having just that constant, that nagging voice of get up and go get some ice cream. Get up and eat some of those chips. Get up. Get up and go get some ice cream. Get up and eat some of those chips. Get up. And I have such food freedom without having that that it's not worth it to go back into what I call back down into the ditch. So I did way at the very beginning of just trying to wrap my brain around this carnivore thing when I first learned about it on that zeroing in on health. brain around this carnivore thing when I first learned about it on that zeroing in on health you know I was you know out at an orchard picking nectarines and peaches with my kids and just the

smell and the aroma I was like I'm just gonna have half a peach well I realized that half a peach turns into a couple hours later wanting another half a peach and wanting three peaches. And then it's, like I said, it's a slippery slope right back into where you are at. And so I just feel like there's a spectrum, just like in alcoholism, where some people, you can be an alcoholic and just really drink two or three drinks every single night. And you can be an alcoholic where once you have one or three drinks every single night. And you can be an alcoholic where once you have one drink, you drink till you black out. And then there's, you know, everything in between that. With sugar addiction, it's very similar in that I feel that some people can just say, all right, I can have a piece of birthday cake on my birthday, and they're okay, and they can handle that and do that.

A lot of people I find have that piece of cake or they're on vacation, and then it slides into that full weekend, and then it slides into a month, and then it slides into gaining back the weight that they had taken off and then they're just self-sabotaged and frustrated and it really comes down to – and I don't know what your personal experiences are with giving up the taste of sweet and giving up sugar and if you've ever actually tried it for a length of period of time, but it's a really tough thing to do. We're bombarded constantly. Like you go to Home Depot to buy a screwdriver and there's Kit Kats and Snickers in front of you at the cash register. So it's almost like if, and people don't realize it is if when you're a recovered alcoholic and you're at a party and people know that they're not saying, oh, just, just have one shot. I mean, come on. You only live once. Like people aren't doing that.

But with this whole sugar addiction, when you've given it up and you're in a situation, people are just like – they can't comprehend that you're not going to eat it and they're offering it to you. And it's almost pushed upon you. Oh, Aunt Sally just made your favorite apple pie. You can't say no. And people don't realize that when it comes to an addiction of eating sweet things, it really has to be abstinence. You can't moderate. I can't eat half of a cupcake. There's just no such thing.

I can't moderate it. So that's where this whole thing with abstinence, with anything that you feel that you should not be eating and you want to give up, but you have a hard time some people I know that can have one donut. And if you have the ability to do that, you have the awareness in yourself to do that, then you're fine. Me, it's not one donut, never will be one donut. It's always going to be multiple until I'm full. And if you have one in the morning, then you're like, I'm full. Let's go. But like, it doesn't happen for me personally. That doesn't happen with fruits. Like I'm totally okay with fruits. Um, I like eating fruit, but I, I, that's something that I just can't really go overboard with. Um, so I think it's, it's necessary for individuals to figure out where they are, like going cold Turkey off of that stuff is

beneficial. And then figuring out what can you maybe add in safely that might bring some benefit to your life and and know where you have that self-control because i don't have self-control with ben and jerry's so i won't have it often or yeah i really won't um but i think for some individuals they they may be able to get away with having a little bit less restriction when it does come to those things if they have that level of self-control it's interesting that you're talking about other people's hangups with what you eat. Isn't that interesting, right? Like other people are so caught up in like you're really not going to eat that. You're not going to have a drink.

Yeah, like that. And that's what I actually tell people. Come on, have some fun. Yeah. That's what they'll say, right? Yeah, and I tell people you have control of what passes through your lips. I mean you can't let anybody's encouragement back into your my kids and every other one would go in my mouth. Every other one.

Or then I pick this – Lots of parents do that and they don't – it's mindless stuff. Yeah. And then picture like a bag of dried apricots. Oh, my god. That's just like – that's like candy. of dried apricots. Oh, my God. That's just like candy. That is candy, yeah. So where do you draw the line with fruit?

And so, yeah, I wouldn't sit there and eat four apples, but I would certainly switch over to a mango and then onto a peach. And then let's cut up a banana on top of some granola. And then we're right into the art. I'll throw some peanut butter in there. It's a party. It's a party. Well, and then let's get on to the whole thing of a bowl and mix nuts. I mean, forget it.

Forget it. And that's why, you know, nuts are off the table. It's just, you know, people could say, oh, they're natural. That's part of, you know, it's a natural food. I was like, well, it's not natural to eat a whole bowl of it. It would also naturally take you like 10 hours to get like a decent amount of almonds after trying to crack the shells open and everything. Exactly. And then think about all the, you know, they're high in oxalates and they're really, they're actually inflammatory.

They're high in oxalates and they're really – they're actually inflammatory. They're high in omega-6. And when I say that to people who are so into like spinach smoothies and eating almond butter and almond this and almond that, I'm like, yeah. I mean they can't comprehend that I'm actually saying to them that it's really not a healthy food for me to eat. that it's really not a healthy food for me to eat. And I say, look into it if you're interested because people – there's such cognitive dissonance with being told vegetables, fruits, nuts are all healthy and they cannot really – it's hard to wrap your brain around. Well, there is some research, right, that there are certain aspects of meat even sometimes that aren't great for us. Is that correct or is that kind of – like the way it's prepared, the way it's cooked, like if you barbecue it or things like that, like you can run into some issues.

You mean the thing with the charring it and that kind of stuff. So if people are willing to like see that, that's a natural – it's a natural food. see that. That's a natural food. They should also be willing to give up on their side of the vegan side and say, okay, that sounds reasonable. If there's these things that I think that meat have and that eggs have that are

negative, then maybe these other natural things that come from the earth, maybe they can harm us a little bit too. They should be able to give up a little ground there, right? Yeah, and then they're always quick to say, with the killing of the animals and all that, I'm like, you know with the the killing of the animals and all that i'm like you know what there is a circle of life here there's a true circle of life and um and and they don't understand and if if they really you know there's so many documentaries

out there now i know vinnie torterich puts out some great ones and you know how many rabbits, fox, rodents are killed just preparing a crop for soy or corn? And there's so much more animals that perish in that production than the one cow that I would eat for an entire year that's just out there eating grass. So, yeah, there's – and then you can go into the whole processed meat thing. And, yeah, I mean, ideally, you know, we don't eat processed meat. But do I eat pepperoni and salami sometimes? Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

It's delicious. Yeah. Let me ask you a quick question. Back to the nuts thing. You don't really – I'm guessing you don't snack much, right? No. I actually really try to not snack at all yeah um and and mainly because with this way of eating you get hungry and i'll eat a pound pound and a half ribeye a meal a meal i don't need an hour how's that for a first date? Yeah. Right?

I think I'll order like a big ass prime rib and just. Well, and they inevitably always want to put it in front of the guy. And I go, uh-uh. Come to mama. You know, and I asked you that because one thing is when people think about like nuts, certain types of fruits, et cetera, a lot of people end up having finger food throughout the day. Like you were mentioning, you're preparing something for your kids. You have these strawberries, you're just picking at it and eating. And for most people, that is a big habit that they need to get rid of. The habit of just randomly snacking on little

things. Because I admit, if I have nuts around, I will be snacking on them constantly. That's why I don't. We talk often about steps. How many steps are you taking in a day? And that can be important. But imagine if you just cut back on your snacking. Or don't snack at all. Like if you cut back on it. If you got rid of it, yeah. Yeah.

You know? It would be incredible. And those nuts or any type of snack add up to a lot of calories for a lot of people. And if that habit was literally cut, that kind of gets rid of the foods that you typically snack on. But you focus on eating meals like you are, a lot of people would be in a better place. Right. And I think also it's pretty important to remember too that our bodies weren't intended to keep eating five, six meals a day. I mean, we went out for the hunt, you got the animal, you dragged it

back to the village, and you feast on it, and you might not eat for a day or two. And I'm not saying that I'm promoting extended fasting, but I'm just saying that this whole snacking thing throughout the day is just not normal to have our digestive system kind of constantly working. And yeah, and it's kind of a wonderful thing too to eat your meals and then not feel like you're driven to keep going for the rest of the day and have to have a snack. Now, I will say I do love pork rinds. And that is an approved carnivore snack. So- I have some pork rinds for you then. Yeah. I hope they're porking good, Ryan.

They are. Yeah. I got the salted butter one and I forget the other one, sour cream one or whatever. I had the super spicy one the other day. Owen couldn't handle it. Ryan started sweating. I didn't try that one yet. It's good.

I do want to try. I think they have a dill pickle one though too. They have a salt vinegar one It's unbelievable And the salted butter really kind of reminds me of popcorn It's a legit replacement for popcorn It is

Pork and good, I'm going to give you my address This stuff is too It's pork and good It is, it's actually really good It's unbelievable really good. It's unbelievable. It ends up being a good replacement. What I'm curious about is like what it's like done for you, like how transformative – it's probably hard to put into words how transformative it's been for you to draw that line and to stay on this side for so long and to be doing this carnivore diet. Yeah. I mean, I sometimes get

choked up because I get so emotional about it because I really, I suffered for about 30 years of sugar carb addiction, binge eating disorder, eating disorders. And why do you think that part is so personal to you? What do you think that is? Is it connected to something you think? you. What do you think that's, is it connected to something you think? No, I think I was just brought up in, you know, a standard American family with a standard American diet and we had Entenmann's crumb cakes and we had, you know, friendly's ice cream, you know, the chocolate covered donuts and got me sidetracked now. Yeah. Yeah. I can pose myself over here. Those are delicious.

I just, I just realized, I mean, I always do this. I can pose myself over here. Those are delicious. I just realized. I mean I was overweight as a kid and I didn't want – I just would have a big slab of lasagna and I wanted the second piece. And I just felt I had some sort of abnormal – never really could figure it out, but I just overate. Never really could figure it out, but I just overate. And I think it was – and then it just snowballed because then I wanted to lose weight.

Of course, I'm getting into high school and it just – it was so difficult because at that point, there was no thought process whatsoever that this was an actual addiction that I was having a hard time getting off of. I had no clue. So once I realized that I actually didn't need to eat carbohydrates and that it's not a requirement for healthy living and that I could actually eliminate that entire food group and be totally free of being addicted to this stuff. It was totally life-changing. And I find in so many of the people that I coach that I realize they're going through the same things like I did where I tried to stop. And then I'd be clean for a couple weeks and then I'd be face down in it again. And it's really difficult. And I just say to people, they say, that can't be addictive. That's not an addiction.

You can't be addicted to sugar or processed foods. And I say, really? Give it up for 90 days, and you come back and tell me how you did. I said, just try it yourself. And that means no ketchup, no barbecue sauce, no salad dressing. It's all got sugar in it. And what about things that mimic sugar? Like a diet soda. Yeah. Well, some people, it seems they can handle that and use that as like a crutch or a bridge. For me and for most people, it keeps the sugar cravings alive. Get rid of it. It's like –

No plants at all. No coffee for you out there? Coffee – I gave up caffeine about 10 years ago because once I got free of that whole mindset of having this noise in my head of this addiction, once I was free of that, I didn't want to be addicted to anything. You're a savage. Yeah, I just didn't. I just – I'm going to have a cup of coffee right here. I'm sipping it.

Well, and then so I – I'm just thinking like this is some like amazing like peace that you must have within yourself. Yeah. Because we talk to all kinds of people that have these mental strengths and we admire them and they tell us all these things that they did. We had a guy on the show talking about how he earned financial freedom. He has a real estate business where he now earns, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars.

And he, but he started out just by saving money as like a waiter. You know, we admire these things and we put these things in like kind of high value. But sometimes when somebody just abstains from something or chooses a side so strongly, I got to tip my hat off to that too, because that is, that is very difficult to do.

But I'm imagining like from a philosophical standpoint in a place of like solitude that you probably feel like a fucking badass. So empowering. It's so empowering. And the fact that I feel, you know, I'm 57, I've had two kids and I do cartwheels on the beach in a bikini is really kind of cool. And it's really cool that it's really cool to feel like I could hike a mountain. I can do whatever I want. I am putting myself in the position to be able to enjoy a healthy, happy life for the rest of my life, however long that might be. a healthy, happy life for the rest of my life, however long that might be. No, I'm not going to kill myself with a heart attack eating all this red meat. But yeah, it's really, really empowering to, in answer to go back to your coffee question,

when I am at a restaurant with a group of people and everybody's got their creme brulee and their apple crumble and they're sharing and digging and passing the desserts. I will sit with a nice decaf cappuccino and totally enjoy the moment and just feel like I'm, you know, kind of participating. And that's how I use coffee as sort of my crutch. I do love it. I love the smell, the warmth, the taste. And so, yeah, it's still in my life, but not the caffeine. And I actually do kind of use it, like I said, as a little stepping stone to get me out of a situation where it's really tough sometimes, you know, everybody is passing around the desserts and it's

like, I, you know, and people say, oh, you can't have that. No, I can have it. I choose not to, you know. And then you have to really keep, really keep educating yourself and say, you know what? Cancer cells are fed by sugar. They're a very highly metabolic, you know, highly metabolic cell type. And sugar is very inflammatory. And it's not a health food. So why are we putting in our body? And then you could go down the rabbit hole of fructose and in fruit. And there's some that will propose, I eat fruit along with my carnivore diet. But you can listen to scientists and say, fructose is really not good for your liver. And ultimately, yeah, people say, well, I got to enjoy life. I mean, you can't take everything away from me.

But I say to that, if you're feeling great, you're off all meds, you're lean, you have no diagnosis, then eat what you're eating. But if you have goals that you're trying to reach and you're not there, just keep searching and seeking and trying and experimenting and figuring out what will work. And I'm just here to tell you what's worked for me and worked unbelievably well and to put it out there that, yeah, this is possible. Somebody – I sometimes joke when I'm doing my lives. I'll say to people, it's like, yeah, go ahead. Go out there and fly your freak flag. I call it flying the freak flag because this is really kind of like in most people's mind the way I eat. I eat meat, seafood, and eggs.

And it's so bizarre to pretty much the world, right? But when you think back, this is what man ate for millions of years. Meat, seafood, and eggs. What all of you are eating, the Doritos and the Hoagies and the this and the that, that's kind of freaky. You're eating this stuff that these companies have produced. You're purchasing it. I say don't eat anything that comes in a bag, a box, a bottle, or a jar. It basically has ingredients that a company has manipulated into a product that they try to actually make addictive. They actually have addictive consults

to get the right combination of salt, fat, and sugar so that it is actually addictive. So you keep buying it. And when you start getting your brain wrapped around that, this isn't so freaky then. People are really controlled and pushed around by the six or seven big food companies. And then those big food companies shove you into relying on big pharma.

And it's like just so much – a lot of these things could be avoided if you can gain some discipline, earn some discipline into some of this stuff. And just – I always just suggest that people just look into it. Like just give it a try. Like try a couple days. Like I think that people will get like a little bit of clarity and they'll feel a little bit better even if they just try something like this where they just eat meat and eggs for two or three days. I think that a lot of times some of that inflammation will go away. I know a lot of guy friends that have tried just even like a keto diet. But even something like just committing to meat and eggs and getting rid of everything else for like two days, they'll lose like six or seven pounds.

Now, that's not body fat. But why are you perpetually walking around with all this extra weight on your body? And I think it's because your body is kind of constantly inflamed, constantly bloated from the various foods that you're eating. So I think it can have a huge impact on people even very quickly. Yeah, I agree with that. And absolutely there's a huge mental component to it, depression, anxiety, bipolar. I'm amazed. bipolar. I'm amazed. I mean, fortunately, I didn't suffer that. But I think there's so much to be said for every body part, every organ system is affected by eating pretty much sugar,

grains, and seed oils. Those are like the three. That's the trifecta that I say. If everybody eliminated at least that, but that's eliminating so much. I mean that's Ritz crackers, Triscuits, potato chips. It's so much of what is in our – Yeah, that's why sometimes I just say plants. Yeah. Ditch plants. Hard to comprehend for people though because plants are healthy, right?

Remember that, Mark. You've been brainwashed like everybody else gotta eat lots of fruits and vegetables and lean meat and i'm doing the exact opposite no fruits and vegetables and pretty much no lean meat i mean i when i say no lean meat i'm basically not eating boneless skinless chicken breast what happens to you when you eat leaner meat for you? I just can tell my body just will instantly the next day crave a big fat ribeye with butter on it. And then that's what I'll have. But yeah, for the most part, I don't really bother so much buying chicken because it's just not as satiating. Because it's just not as satiating.

But like I said, it's just the point of how the message out there is to eat lean meat, lots of fruits and vegetables. And I'm basically doing the exact opposite and feeling better than I've ever felt in my life. So along with hundreds of thousands of other people, which it's exciting to me because 13 years ago, you got to remember, there wasn't, it wasn't even the whole keto thing going on back then, right? It was basically Atkins. People say, oh, you're doing the Atkins thing. Yeah, I tried that. It worked great. I lost weight, and that puts people right back into their addiction. Then all of a sudden it's the ticket to go back and eat what you were eating. That's a really good point because you kind of have along the way, even on Atkins diet or even modern keto diet, you still have those little snacky treats in there that have sweet flavors to them. That makes sense when you discontinue not adhering exactly to the diet that you're going to just fall right back into the same bad pattern. Yeah. And I find

there's so many people that have come to me for help that have come from this whole keto movement I feel has gone astray in the monetization of it and people also seeking to feed their addiction. Oh, we've got keto brownies. Oh, we've got keto cookies. Oh, we've got keto pancakes. Wow. All right. That's not the point of keto. Yeah.

Yeah, and so those people will end up finding that they're getting up off the couch to dig into the box of the keto dessert. And in my mind, they're just digging back into their addiction, and they're going to keep striving for that until you draw the line and you abstain from it. And that's my, I mean, I feel like I sort of have cornered myself into a little bit of a niche with kind of pounding home that point. But I feel it's so important because there's so many people that just say, I'm doing great, but I'm just at a plateau or I'm just not getting where I want to go. All right, well, here's the next step. You ready? Pull up your big girl pants, suck it up buttercup. We're done with the sugar. We're done with the sweeteners and see what happens. You hear that, Andrew? I'm about to take another sip of my artificially sweetened coffee. Oh, I did want to ask though, or actually just kind of, I guess, spark the conversation because you keep saying fructose. And I know like a lot of YouTubers are like radars going off as we speak.

But I did want to bring it up that it seems like you were talking about it negatively because in your experience, one peach will lead to another one that will lead to another one that will lead to a Pop-Tart or something. I just don't want people to think like oh like she's 57 she's in amazing shape she looks fantastic she said fruit was bad even though you didn't really say fruit is bad so then they're gonna be like okay so i'm not gonna eat fruit but is there really like an issue if somebody's not willing to go all in on carnivore if they eat a big awesome ribeye for dinner and then for dessert they have a gigantic bowl of fruit and then call it a night? You know, that can work for some people. And my point is really this. If, again, you're lean, you're off medication, you've got no diagnosis, and you're eating steak and a big bowl of fruit, all the more power to you. That's awesome. And that type of person also might be really active. Go down the rabbit hole of fructose and fruit and you will see scientists right on YouTube and they'll discuss fructose and how any sugar that's metabolized in our bodies, whether it's from carrots or a mango, it has detrimental effects. So again, if you're healthy and –

I mean, like, I'm curious about that. Wouldn't that be the dosage of fruit? Like, if we're thinking about the amount of fruit that people are going to eat each night, it's not going to – It's not going to be the equivalent of, like, a soda. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't assume it would be that much that would, like, lead individuals into, like like to dealing with cancer and to that extent you know what i mean um we're just trying to like find a find a middle ground here because like carnivore is great there are certain days where i only eat meat too um but when people are

talking about these different diets when people are flaming on individuals that do carnivore it's like uh they say plants are, you know, the plants don't want to be eaten or fruits are bad for you and so forth. And if an individual does the big things, processed food, get that out of your diet. You know,

don't be eating, don't be snacking all the time so that you don't get in all these excess calories. If you have a little bit of fruit and you eat some fucking spinach, like long run, I don't see if an individual can handle that. It doesn't seem that that's going to be the thing that doesn't allow them to stick to the diet. Like I'm curious, since you've worked with so many individuals who are carnivore and

who have, like you've said, like they've opened Pandora's box, maybe ate some things that led them back into bad eating habits. What are the typical things that leads people back into having bad eating habits? Is it having some fruit or is it trying to reintroduce processed foods that are highly palatable and that they can tend to overeat? What are the big movers for most people that you work with? Yeah, well, it's whatever trigger that sends you down the slippery slope. And for different people, it's different things. And for some people, it absolutely is fruit. It's just having, simply having that juicy, sweet apple, which you got to remember,

ancestrally, these apples were really tart crab apples, and we've genetically modified our fruits into being these big sugar bombs. I mean grapes, watermelons, cantaloupes, bananas, everything. I mean if you actually look up what fruit has been through the ages, a lot of it inedible and certainly not the level of sugar. But yeah, if somebody's eating a little bit of spinach and a little bit of fruit and all the other, their health parameters are great, then that's awesome. It doesn't have to be full bore, hardcore carnivore for everybody.

I just think that, you know. But in your belief system, I think, like at your roots, it seems like you're under the impression from data and from things that you've seen that plants are not great for us. Yes, absolutely. That is totally my thought process. And you think that maybe people can have some wiggle room in terms of their overall health if they're exercising and not having any sort of things. But you still think it's kind of bullshit for people. To have a spinach salad or a spinach smoothie or to eat kale. Yeah, I look at people eating kale in a restaurant and I go, man, do I feel sorry for you?

That's disgusting. Do you realize that's not really healthy, but you think it is and you're just putting up with it? That's a big disaster, especially because of how much oil they're putting on there and everything. But I think what's at the heart of some of the stuff that you're saying is that, you know, for you personally, you going this deep into it has really made a difference. And I also think that I think it's maybe your personal belief. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but maybe your personal belief that there is kind of a way for human beings to eat. And it's primarily off of meat and eggs and organs and things like that. And seafood, yeah.

Like that's your main – that's probably your main thing that I see you talk about so much on your Instagram and stuff. Yeah, and mainly because I've seen it heal so many people. And I've seen people drop weight, get off medications, and relieve themselves of anxiety and depression. There's just no way around the thought for me that this isn't the healthiest way to nourish our bodies. I mean, I feel it's the optimal human diet. You want people to get distance. I'm sorry to keep interrupting you, but you want people to, I'm just trying to get a good picture of this. You want people to distance themselves away from being ruled by food. Absolutely. And that's one of the key things is changing your relationship with food. It's not entertainment.

If you're eating because you're bored, you're stressed, you're lonely, you're angry, you're using food. And it's not, it's totally not, you know, the way naturally we should be eating to hunger and then moving on with your life. And then I tell people, you got to be cautious across addiction. You come off sugar and carbs and processed foods. You've got to be cautious. What are you then relieving yourself with? You know, and then we'll get, you know, I know you're, I've researched your podcast a little bit. It's like people can turn to porn. People can turn to gambling.

People don't know the internet can be used for other things other than porn. Oh, really? Yeah, they don't know. They're like, wow, look at that. You can you can research stuff wow you can learn about carnivore i'm curious before you started carnivore um when you like was food something that you used as a crutch for things like when you were angry or sad or whatever like did you like did you have bad habits when it came to turning to food and then like when you changed and you started eating differently, what else changed? I'm asking this because like some people, you know, it's not, it's not just that they're eating a lot of calories.

It's that when they get stressed, there's food is the thing that they turn to. Processed foods is the thing that they turn to. And it doesn't only, you can't just change your diet. You need to change how you handle your stressors and what you do when you get into bad situations as far as the way you feel. It can't always be food that you turn to. Yeah, and there is something to this whole thing with the dopamine and getting – your brain kind of fires up when you are taking in these substances. And like to the extent where you're not really even thinking that, but it's happening. And we're always striving for like that dopamine hit.

I mean, I don't know if you, you know, you go into the Huberman and you listen to a bunch of his stuff and it's fascinating. And yeah, so what do we turn to for those dopamine hits i mean i i get i get a dopamine hit when i'm doing my treadmill dancing or when i'm lifting and then when i get home and i feel like wow i feel i feel stronger i feel like i'm getting my body to look tone that that excites me you know like you me. You have to start feeding off of something else that you get pleasure and enjoyment out of. I like that. And I tell people you can either get into meditation. I mean, you can go down the wrong rabbit hole too with, I see people turning to these triathlons and these you get addicted to exercise that you know people can go crazy with

that stuff and um you know i i i challenged myself to i'd never have been a runner my whole life and as as a carnivore i um i ran four half marathons wow on ribeye and bacon that's what you know everybody's like you got a carb load the night before. Uh, no, no, you don't. And then I was driven to say for my, I've never ever run a race. My first race was a half marathon. Um, the night before I ate a big ribeye, I didn't eat anything in the morning and ran. And I was just so, I set a goal for myself to try to do it in sub two. Cause that's like a big thing in the running world to do sub two for a half marathon and um the day before I went and got my number I'm trying to figure this whole thing out you get your little number and my number was 1599

I ran the race in an hour and 59 minutes yeah yeah so I did my sub two. And yeah, so it's, it's, it's setting goals for yourself. It's setting, setting the bar really high and, and just getting, getting an enjoyment out of striving to, to reach a goal. Also right now, I'm curious about this too. You mentioned a little bit that you don't eat all throughout the day like even before your marathon you didn't eat a breakfast so how has the way you eat been adjusted and changed because of what you eat how's your appetite like did you eat this morning no no i didn't um so in a very interesting natural way i find most people who turn to this and stick with it, it evolves into either two meals a day or even one meal a day. And they call it OMAD, one meal a day.

And I think because fatty meat is so satiating, you know, I feel like I can go seven, eight hours without even thinking about food. So if I'm not hungry in the morning, I just don't eat, you know? And then if I'm busy and I'm running errands and I'm off to the gym and then I get home and it's two or three o'clock, I eat a big ass meal and then that's it for the day. I'm not eating again at eight or nine at night, you know?

And I also try to limit and not eat past about 5, 6 o'clock just because I feel it's just better for our digestion not to fall asleep with a full stomach. So, yeah, it's really – I can say I can't even remember the last time I ate three meals. Like that just doesn't happen. Yeah. Just doesn't. I mean, there's just not enough hours in the day with a big enough gap for when I would be hungry. So there's not easy transitions. Like if, let's just say hypothetically

that you're really hungry after this podcast, but we wanted to like work out. It's like, it doesn't make sense to sit down and eat, you know, a bunch of eggs and meat. Like you have to wait X amount of hours to even exercise again. And what's really interesting though is like, let's say we're going to work out after this and maybe I'm at the point where I could eat if there was a steak in front of me, but I could easily not eat and be totally fine. You don't get those insulin spikes

and drops where you get that hangry feeling where like, I got to eat. You know, I, if there's a point where I'm like, yeah, I could eat, I could go two or three more hours and still be okay. It's just a little bit like maturing. Like you don't have to punch someone in the face just because they said something rude to you. You know, as you get older, you kind of learn like, punch someone in the face just because they said something rude to you you know you get older you kind of learn like that's not a big deal yeah you get hungry you can uh you don't have to always act on it right away exactly yeah it's a very very calm sort of steady state that you're not on any sort of real major highs and lows of having to get yourself fed. How did you find this? Because like it's, you know, the carnivore diet is like sexy nowadays.

Joe Rogan talks about it. We've got Sean Baker out there and some other people talking about the horrible hellhole I was in with, you know, the food addiction and the binge eating. And I just so fortunate happened upon doing a web surfing, zeroing in on health. It was a forum that Charles Washington started. It was a group that kind of branched off of a low-carb forum that they were on because this group was like, yeah, we don't need any carbs because as soon as we introduce the carbs, our weight starts going back up. And they just kind of became a group and, yeah, happened upon them and saw people writing in there about it, relieving them of binge eating and weight loss and getting rid of arthritis and getting them off diabetic medications. Did you find other women that were doing it too? Yeah.

And that's actually what – there was two women in there in particular who had resolved themselves of their eating disorders, and I said, I'm all in. Started the next day. for 30 years and I've seen so many people losing their vision from macular degeneration and diabetic retinopathy that this has also become like a side passion of mine to let these diabetics know you can reverse your diabetes. You know, you don't have to be diabetic the rest of your life. You can get off medication. You have the power to do it and you just have to be motivated and you have to have your why. And this is a pretty big why. I'm going to show you the bleeding that you have in the back of your eye here. And I'm shocked. Some people are just so grateful and jump in and they take the, you know, I tell them to go read this book and watch these YouTube videos. And they

come back six months later, 40 pounds down, and they literally hug me with tears in their eyes. And it's just an amazingly rewarding experience for me, instead of being someone who's just monitoring the bleeding in your eye every six months, where I can actually help you. And macular degeneration, it's so prominent. It's crazy. When I was in practice 30 years ago, I totally have noticed a difference now compared to them in the amount of macular degeneration. A lot of this has to do with our technology, you think, and the screens and stuff? No, no. It has to do with, realistically, just more and more processed food and more and more ill health in people

because they're told the wrong thing. They're told to eat fruits and vegetables and lean meat. And along with that, they eat the chips and the ice cream and the, you know. Why does diabetes impact the eyes? Well, diabetes is actually a disease of small blood vessels, so it impacts so many things, the nerves, your kidneys, your eyes. It causes neovascularization, which is tiny little new capillaries grow to try to give more oxygen to the area, and then they

leak and they bleed, and that causes loss of vision. And macular degeneration, that is totally preventable, and you can halt the progression of it. I'm not so sure in the end-stage scarring of the macular degeneration where people get geographic atrophy, if that's reversible. macular degeneration, when people get geographic atrophy, if that's reversible. I mean, that's kind of too little too late. But if you, you know, Dr. Chris Kenobi, an ophthalmologist, did so much research and basically has come to the conclusion that it is the seed oils in our diet. So it really comes down to, again, eliminate sugar, grains, and all processed foods slash seed oils. And, you know, it will be a remarkable improvement in people's health. That's why, you know, I'm not here to be the carnivore Gestapo and say, you know,

you got to go full bore. But I'm fully on saying that if people at least eliminated those three things, that there'd be dramatic improvement in their health. Do you have little things that maybe some people can do to help reverse their eyes aging maybe a little bit? Or is there something that younger folks should practice so they don't lose some of their vision? Yeah, it really comes down to diet.

How you eat and what you put in your mouth is everything to every organ system. Your skin. I mean, I used to have adult acne. I actually have before pictures that I can give you if you want to tag them on to the video here of I had like, it's just incredible how much it impacts your skin. It seems to be a big one with the carnivore diet. Yeah, between eczema, psoriasis, acne, but that's just one organ system, right? It's everything. It's your eyes. I think it will slow the process of cataract formation. I think it really and it dramatically helps dry eye. So many people suffer from dry eye conditions because it, again, I feel the inflammation in our bodies, it goes to every organ system.

And that inflammation comes from sugars, grains, seed oils. And a lot of people plant toxins. It has an impact. And it, you know, so people say, well, will my glaucoma get better? Yeah, I'm going to tell you, everything will get better. You clean up your diet, you eat the way man was intended to eat for millions of years. Trust me, everything, if you're patient enough, you give it long enough, it will improve. And I say it's not a quick fix. I say you've been eating crap for 30, 40, 50 years, depending on how old the person is. So you're not going to right the ship in 30 days.

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I don't really care, but they're easy alternatives. But in your opinion, and from what you've seen, why are seed oils something that people really should be thinking about? Well, the first thing, if somebody's even questioning it, you go on YouTube and you actually watch how they produce seed oils with hexane that goes through like a 13-stage process with chemicals to try to get it to not smell nasty and look nasty, okay? Because this stuff is cloudy in smells, so they put it through lots of chemical processes. This stuff absorbs into our bodies. It's fat. It absorbs. Our cell walls are made of fat.

It absorbs into it, causes inflammation. The half-life now, I've looked at different studies and seen between two years and four years a half-life. That means if you stopped eating every single possible speck of seed oil that is in your current diet, you stop today, potentially four years from now, only half of what's in your body will clear out. Another four years, another half of that. Would that be true of healthy stuff as well or no? What do you mean healthy stuff? Well, just you're saying that I guess there'll be remnants of the seed oils two, three years,

four years later. What about omega-3 fatty acids? Oh, or like butter. Yeah, well – I don't know. They rotate in and out quicker or something? But they're not inflammatory. So like butter from a cow is a natural – yeah, it's – the way these seed oils are is that they –

So you sit around and they cause problems. Yeah, and it's not just a matter of the oil being so many calories and you're going to gain weight because you're not burning the calories. This stuff is toxic to our bodies. I mean I encourage anybody who's even questioning it, go on and watch some really – there's some really powerful videos explaining the deleterious effects of the seed oils in our bodies. And you can see clearly like 1910 when they were introduced and we were encouraged to eat margarine and not butter. And there was Crisco and it exponentially starts coming into our diet and our society has just gotten sicker and fatter.

It's coming into our diet and our society has just gotten sicker and fatter. And think about the rate of Alzheimer's even. When I was a kid, I didn't hear about Alzheimer's. Never heard of that, right? Now it's like, you know, it's so common. Stroke, so many diseases. And the word is not going to get out because these big, huge food companies are making billions and billions of dollars off of selling this garbage. And they use it because it's cheap and because it increases the shelf life. So it's all about the profit. And you can't get somebody to come on to a news network to talk about getting, you know, getting this out of because they're all sponsored by the food company.

And the pharmaceutical company loves it because that's where people are going to take control of their own health. I think some people listening are like, I don't think I even eat seed oil. But they don't know that it's processed food. Yeah, it's interesting you say that because – I call it restaurant oil, just so it resonates with people a little bit better. I'm like, if you eat at a restaurant, you're eating seed oil. Yeah. It's interesting you say that because that's exactly what happens when I say that same thing. People say, oh, well, yeah, I don't buy that. I don't cook with that. So they're

just thinking they don't buy the big jug of Mazzola corn oil and they don't cook with it. They don't buy the big jug of Mazzola corn oil, and they don't cook with it. And I say, all right, that's well and good, but it's in everything. I said, you pick up any bag, box, bottle, or jar in your pantry right now or your fridge, I guarantee you 90% of it's going to have canola oil, palm oil, cottonseed oil, you name it. It's going to have it in it. Do you use mayonnaise? Do you eat Triscuits? A loaf of bread?

Mayonnaise. Salad dressing? I don't get mayonnaise either. Me neither. Yeah, but sometimes mayonnaise is a base for other stuff. Yeah, people keep it as a base. Tuna salad, chicken salad. A base for stuff that doesn't taste very good.

No, but when you go to sushi, the rolls that everyone gets, they basically have mayonnaise all over them. Oh. Yeah. Just mayo as the base. That's interesting too when you say that, when you said it's the restaurant oil. So it's everything. It's calamaris fried in it, French fries, pretty much everything. And then you see they've got a squirt bottle of it, and it's squirted.

You go to an omelet station at a posh hotel, they squirt. I go, no, no, no, no, don't put the oil in my pan, please. Just butter. They do it before you can say anything. Yeah, the guy's wiping it out. I go, you can do butter. Really? You can use butter?

Yeah, you can use butter. Get that oil out. But aside from that, you're exactly right though. Aside from the deep fryer, any sauce, any burger you order, oh, it's got the buffalo sauce. It's all going to be like a canola oil base. It's all that seed oil. So yeah, it's tough. Eating out of the restaurant, it's like, give me a grilled steak. Don't put oil on it. Actually, yeah, that's something good. And they do pour oil all over your steak.

Like they do at most places. You have to ask them not to. I say now, I say, I'm allergic to oil. Please make sure they do not put any oil in there. And I said, you can use as much butter as you want, but please, I cannot have any oil. as much butter as you want, but please, I cannot have any oil. And so I've actually, because I spent a couple months in Florida recently, I started sort of incognito recording myself ordering at restaurants. And I'm going to put a whole YouTube video together of how I order and what I tell them. And it's important. If people eat out a lot, they're going to get seed oils.

I ordered chicken, salmon, and steak the other day at a restaurant because it was like these three entrees. And I was like, that's perfect. I'll get all three of those. And then when I went to order it, the woman was so confused. And I was like, just pretend that I got like two other people here. And you're taking these two separate orders. And just shove it on one plate, please. And then she's like, but then what do I do with the vegetables?

I said, you can do whatever you'd like with them. You can share them with somebody in the back. I don't know. Hook the next customer up. Yeah, I was like, I'm not going to probably eat them. So, yeah. Yeah.

What about the old fiber? Because even going back to fructose, you know, with fruits and vegetables, which I am curious about fruit being modified. Did the fiber also get modified to where it's like way overblown but like with fruit dust it's in an apple or whatever usually gets delivered with the fiber and stuff and so in my head that's how i like justify everything but for yourself i'm sure you get this a lot when it comes to fiber like aren't you uh

you're never going to the bathroom right right? Like, how does that work? Exactly. Yeah, I don't go. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's, I answer that a lot with just telling people, I said, if you're really interested about this fiber thing, there's a great book called Fiber Menace.

And it really explains how fiber is not natural to our bodies. It's actually abrasive to our colons and we don't need a speck of fiber. I have not eaten fiber in 13 years. I go to the bathroom just splendidly, and I actually feel like the undigestible cellulose that's in the plant and fruit matter is not healthy for us. So I know it's bizarre, and people have a hard time wrapping

their brain around hearing that because we are told have whole grains, lots of fiber, and just think about how many things that we are told that we should actually be doing the exact opposite. And this is one of them. I know it sounds ridiculous, but do you think there was maybe this excitement over trying to convince people to eat more fiber is because people do eat so poorly already? It's like because you eat poorly, let's use this thing to kind of shuttle stuff out of the system with – I know it sounds like crazy, but maybe that's where it came from. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that's where it came from.

I don't know. I don't know. I think there actually is the message out there that you need a lot of fiber for a healthy gut and a healthy colon. And then there's the whole thing about get your colonoscopy that without fiber, you can't possibly have a healthy colon. And it's, you know, I'm just under the, from all the research I've done and living 13 years without a speck of fiber and feeling great and not on any meds and got healthy teeth, healthy hair, healthy eyes. It's just an indication that, you know, there isn't a dietary need for fiber. It is very interesting because whenever people talk about the lack of fiber, they're always like, okay, let's look at what happens to people long term. You know, because this is something that people have been talking about more recently.

So when we like individuals like maybe Lane Norton, I've heard him mentioned multiple times. We don't know what the long term deleterious effects are. That's why I choose to keep a minimum amount of fiber in my diet. But it's good to see that like you've you and probably other people that you work with or have been dealing with haven't had any sort of issues or health scares because they've gotten rid of fiber in their diet. Yeah. None whatsoever. And, and I'm not the, you know, the, the longest carnivore out here. I mean, there's, there's people doing this 20, 30 and 40 years. Um, so, you know, I, I, I, I kind of like probably one of the more OG people in the carnivore world because there's not that many that have been doing it this long, but I don't know of any of us who have, you know, any sort of digestive issues or, you know, colon problems. I keep going back to ancestral man. I mean, and the Eskimos up in the Antarctic, they don't have any access to vegetation. They're eating, you know, seal blubber, whale

blubber, fish. They don't have any fiber. They're not up there all dying off of colon cancer, you know. And again, man man for millions of years the majority of what they did was hunted and ate the fatty meat and organs and they weren't living on if you know in time of famine they might try to find some tuber and and eat it but we didn't we're not extinct from you know colon problems so it also didn't used to be a bonus to like eat something and have it not really have a net positive effect on you. You know, if you eat vegetables, they're just like, they don't have hardly any calories in them.

So modern man found vegetables to be great because like, oh, we can fill up on these and we're not going to get, we're not going to gain body fat. But a caveman would be like i i want to get bigger like i need to get bigger this this time of year every year nutrient dense food there's more animals around i'm going to eat them because i'm fucking hungry right and i need this energy to get you know to be able to walk and move and hunt and do all right and people don't realize that there's really not that much um bioavailability of the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients that are in the vegetables. There's so much more absorbed through meat.

It's just such a highly nutritious thing to eat compared to fruit and vegetable. Has anybody gone to you or anybody else that's been around for a long time doing this diet? Has anyone asked to try to study you guys? There, you know, I think, well, Sean Baker was doing a fundraiser because it really costs a couple million dollars to do an adequate study. So there was a Harvard study that was done recently. There was, and so Sean is, I know, working on a study that's going to be done. Because you got to think about this. Who's going to fund that study? The food industry is not funding it. The pharmaceutical industry is not funding it because you're not making any money on telling people to eat meat, seafood, and eggs and get healthy.

So there's a tough one there because everybody wants to see the study. But I'll let anybody study me all they want if, you know, I've done blood work. My blood work is fine. My triglycerides are perfect. My thyroid is fine. And your body, as far as you know, you're not missing anything. Not missing anything. Everything seems to be good with your blood work.

My libido is good too. Did you want to go there? Well, we already heard you on the way in. You got to be careful about letting anybody do anything to your body. Hey, what about your cholesterol? That's got to be shitty, right? Your triglycerides got to be through the roof. Yeah, that's the common question.

It's got to be through the roof. Yeah, that's the common question. And here, you know, the thing too is we're brainwashed to think your cholesterol has got to be like under 200 or 210. I forget where the cutoff is now, but they keep trying to lower the cutoff so they can put more and more people on statins. And I just go back to this – Dr. Anthony Jay, he did a lot of research on cholesterol and he has this graphic out that shows the lowest death rate in humans, the lowest, is a range of total cholesterol from 180 to 280 is where your lowest death rate is. So even a cholesterol at 270, you are in the lowest death rate. It doesn't rise until like 290 and above. And my total cholesterol, you know, it varies obviously from the moment, you know, from moment to moment. But it, you know, I think it was 220 the last time I tested it. And then I actually have a four or six blood glucose ketone monitor that I can also do my total cholesterol. And last week I did that

and it was 200. It's perfect. My triglycerides are like 35. The ratio is perfect. There is nothing after 13 years of mainly eating red meat that has caused my, you know, my heart to be at risk of, you know, having a heart attack at this point. So, and I get it. That's the most common question because that's what we're taught through everything. we're just totally told you've got to have low cholesterol. LDL, I mean, every cell in our body needs cholesterol. We need cholesterol to convert sunlight into vitamin D. We need cholesterol for our sex hormones. There we are back with the sex. We need cholesterol for so many processes in our body, it's not the bad guy.

You know, it's an entity that a company is making billions of dollars off of, and it's just a really sad state of affairs. And here's the other thing, too. Who's to say what normal cholesterol and triglycerides should be in ancestral man who's only eating meat? Is it the same as what they're saying that we need? What's the high limit of the range and the low limit? There's so much that's involved in trying to figure that whole thing out, but there's so much information out there. And I just laugh when people say, you can't possibly think that's healthy. You're going to die of a heart attack. And I'll say,

oh, I'm going to have fun trying because I see nothing in any of my blood work that indicates that. So onward I go. Without getting into the debate of whether or not we should be living longer or if we're living better lives in early ages, are we in fact living longer though with all of the processed foods? Because when you bring up like ancestral man, you know, lifespan was way different back then for various reasons, right? different back then for various reasons, right? But, you know, with that in mind, like, are we living longer now with all this extra food as opposed to back then when all we ate was meat? Yeah, so definitely. Well, and then here's the thing. If you're living to 75 or 80, but your last 15 years, you're sitting on the couch obese and popping medication out of your little Monday through Sunday pillbox. Like, where's your quality of life? And from what I'm seeing, people are starting that at around 40 years old.

Yeah, it's... With my age and people around me, I see that happening earlier and earlier to people. Yeah, I see it because, you know, patients are sitting in my chair and their charts pulled up and right on the side is their list of medications. And I'm just in shock at, like you said, people in their 40s on a list of medications already. So in answer to the part of your question about, yeah, the lifespan of man back then was so much younger, shorter. You got to remember that you have to calculate in death at childbirth, death of mothers of childbearing years, because there's a lot of difficulty without our medical, you know, advancement with that whole aspect of it. But there was a certain death rate of, you know, kids before the age of five and women in childbirth. So that really skews

when you have a stillbirth there, you know, you're entering an age of zero in there and that really skews the lifespan statistics. that's what through the research that I've done, but there's really nothing that's, you know, I'm still an N equals one experiment for myself. I did not take this lightly. You know, and I say to people, I say, you know, I'm a medical professional here. I didn't just decide to do this wacky diet and not take it seriously. There's cardiologists that are eating this way now, you know, a number of them. Physicians, Sean Baker is an orthopedic surgeon. Dr. Chafee, he's a neurosurgeon.

These are smart people. I'll include myself in the category of a smart person. I'm not eating this way for kicks and giggles. You know, I actually really feel, and through keeping an open mind and continuing to do research, I mean, there's no answer out there. We don't know what's the diet for, you know, for the longest life and the healthiest life. But I sure as heck feel I'm on the path to it from compared to where I was before. And all the evidence of people that I've seen changing their lives with this, that there's really something to it. Yeah. I'll take the words out of Mark's mouth.

He says people aren't living longer, they're just dying longer. We're keeping them around with medications and that sort of thing. So you're right, quality of life is— It's a sick care system. It's not a health care system. It's like get the diagnosis, get the symptoms, make the diagnosis, and hand out the pills. That's really – I want to say like I think it's in the Bible it says that people will live to about 76 years old, and that hasn't changed. I mean the Bible is pretty old from what I've heard. You know, if we didn't have all of this garbage in our food system and we have the medical technology that we have, that the lifespan should be about 120 right about now.

It makes sense that we'd have real progress, yeah. Yeah. What about, do you mess with any, like, organ meats? Like, do you, like, force yourself to eat liver or anything like that? I don't know, maybe you like liver. I know Encema likes liver, but yeah. Do you do any of the, the other than like steak type meats? Yeah. You know what? I very much dislike liver. So, um, I'm, I'm, I'm not on board with forcing myself to eat that. I don't take any supplements. Um, you know, it's the same thing. I just keep going back to keeping it simple. I don't feel like I need to start eating desiccated brains.

And mainly because after 13 years of doing this, I feel amazing and I'm healthy. So do I think that there's a benefit to it? Absolutely think that it's nutritious and that there is a nutritional benefit to it. I'm not going to go out and eat thymus and spleen and kidney. Some people think that if you do a carnivore diet and you only eat the muscle meat that you do need supplements. And so you found something different. eat the muscle meat that you do need supplements. And so you found something different. Yeah. Well, and I answer with why. And the interesting thing too is nobody gave a crap whether I ate liver or not when I was also eating Doritos and Twinkies. Nobody questioned it, right? And you don't even think about it. Now all of a sudden you clean up your diet and you're

eating this healthy meat, seafood, and eggs, right? Now, all of a sudden, people are freaking out. What do you mean you don't eat organs, right? And now people care that whether I'm eating organs or not, but the rest of my life, they didn't give a crap. So, that's kind of interesting. But you know what? There is a company that puts out a kind of like a seasoning spice mix that has raw desiccated pancreas, liver, spleen, and heart and kidney in it. It's called Pluck. I happen to love it. It tastes great. I put it on my eggs. I put it in, you know, I might basically, yeah, I, I, I sprinkle it on different things that I might be cooking and, um, I feel like, Hey, all right. So there's, there's my, uh, there's my organs. Yeah. It's so funny. Like, I mean, this is a whole nother level, but like when it comes to the carnivore diet, Chris Bell, he said it on our podcast, he's like,

you can eat a hamburger and nobody cares, but you take the bun off and all of a sudden it's going to kill you. And so it's, it's funny how like, you know, a hamburger and nobody cares, but you take the bun off and all of a sudden it's going to kill you. So it's funny how like, you know, the deeper you get into it now, it's like, oh, you are carnivore. Oh, you're not getting your organ meats though. Do you ever concern yourself with, I mean, you get enough protein for sure, but what about like getting in enough fats or anything like that? worry about that and I'm not so much paying attention to that because I'm just naturally in a ribeye, New York strip, ground beef. There's plenty of fat. The far extreme is a rabbit starvation, which is basically if you eat really lean. If somebody is trying to do this and say they – I've had people come to me and say, I really don't like meat.

The only thing I eat is chicken and fish. I'm like, it's going to be a little tough. You really need to have a little more variety. But I think in general, people just eat the meat they can afford and that they like. You're totally fine with not having to really monitor and pay attention to the fat count. I think in general, people just eat the meat they can afford and that they like. You're totally fine with not having to really monitor and pay attention to the fat count. I was curious about earlier in the episode, you mentioned eating disorders. And you mentioned having worked with individuals who had eating disorders and a lot of women talking about that. Now, when it comes to carnivore, a lot of individuals, especially with your eating pattern, nowadays people that do fasting, people are looking at that as an eating disorder, which is interesting. But what are the, what, like the way you eat, how have you seen it help individuals who have different type of eating disorders since you mentioned that?

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I have read and seen and heard in many different instances where people will say, this is not a diet for people with eating disorders. This is too restrictive. It causes its own eating disorder. I've heard so many different things. And to that, I say, this has basically totally cured me of mine. And what was yours? Well, it was basically binge eating, bulimia, you name it. I had a touch of anorexia back in high school too. So, you know, eating disorders, touch of anorexia back in high school too. So, you know, eating disorders, there's a whole array of eating disorders. I've even heard lately there's one called the volume eating disorder. But it, you know, it's so interesting to call this restrictive because, yes, from the outside

in listening, like, wow, this is restrictive. I mean, listen, lady, all you eat is meat, seafood, and eggs, and you're not thinking that's restrictive? You know what? That's what was on earth for us to eat for millions of years. Do you think those people felt restricted? Right? They were grateful, probably. Grateful. They're hungry.

They got to get the animal and eat it. to get the animal and eat it. And so it's really kind of, yeah, I cringe when I hear that. And I also, I've heard so many failures of people with eating disorders going into like an inpatient treatment and they were literally forced to sit there with a cupcake in front of them, and they could not get up until they ate it. You know, like different things like that, that I have heard on a number of different occasions of how they attempt to treat it. And the everything in moderation just absolutely does not work for me. You know, and it doesn't, not work for me. You know, and it doesn't, I've seen it over and over and I've helped so many people out of their misery by abstaining and making people realize it's no different. You can't,

you know, a heroin addict can't just shoot up a tiny bit on the weekend. You know, you don't, you know, you don't give an alcohol, here, have a half a shot. You know, you can do that once a week. Don't be too restrictive, right? That's just too restrictive, not having any alcohol, right? Right. But is it restrictive saying don't eat sugar or don't eat grains and don't eat processed food? Well, from the outside, yeah, it looks a little restrictive, but realistically, we're not putting in our body a substance that we're addicted to. So I'm curious because like when – if somebody has anorexia, let's say, right? And they're really restricting the amount of food that they eat. Have you ever worked with anyone with anorexia? I personally once but have – like is your solution to them eating real food, getting rid of processed food and learning how to just eat real food?

Is that the big thing there? Yeah, anorexia is really a different entity and there's a different issue going on with that particular eating disorder. So to that, I can't really answer whether – there's a whole psychology behind that. But I do know of some anorexics who have cured themselves through eating this way too. So that's a little bit more complicated though, that particular eating disorder. particular eating disorder. And then also when it comes to the, like fasting right now, even on, like TikTok, right. And even on YouTube, to an extent, you have to, when they're not allowing individuals to really talk openly about utilizing fasting as a diet methodology, because certain groups look at fasting as it, it, it will, it'll increase the amount of individuals who end up having eating disorders.

So how do you talk to individuals about that safely? Because I honestly don't think it's too crazy just not to eat for part of the day. But a lot of individuals, even professionals in the field, when they hear individuals talk about fasting, they're like, they're treating it as if it's some sort of disordered eating. Yeah. And that's interesting because, and depends on whether you're talking about intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting. Or extended fasting. Yeah. They're really different things. But it's such a natural thing to, you know, just not eat in between dinner the night before. And, you know, so really from dinner the night before till breakfast, there's automatically, that's about a 14-hour fast. Now, are you

intermittent fasting? And what if you're not hungry when you get up? I say, if you're not hungry, don't eat. And you wait until lunch. Okay, now I've got an 18-hour fast. Whoa. Now, is there a problem with that? That's why I find it so interesting to talk about how something that's so natural to a human through evolution is now considered something detrimental. You mentioned running. Yeah. The average person right now, if they were to pop out of their house right now and run, they'd probably get hurt. Yeah. That's a natural thing.

You should have access to that. You should be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think there really are some great health benefits to fasting. some great health benefits to fasting. You start looking into the autophagy. And I just think that it's so beneficial. And I hate to hear when you... I didn't even realize they were limiting fasting TikToks. And if you think about it from a logical standpoint, as you mentioned, you'll be sleeping during most of this time.

You know, it's probably not a great idea to eat a lot of food a few hours before bed. So you got the two hours there. You maybe hopefully slept for about seven, eight hours. Then maybe you have about two hours in the morning, maybe where you didn't eat. And really all you're talking about is like maybe for somebody to go three to five hours, waking hours without food, you know? I know it's an extended period from their last meal, but the energy system of the body allows you to do that quite well. Yeah. I mean, you can easily go seven days without eating. So, you know, some people can't, you know, literally can't even do an 18 hour or a 24 hour fast, you know, going from, let's say,

lunch one day to lunch the next day is really not easy for the average person because, basically because of blood sugar spikes. Do you even bother to recommend that to people, intermittent fasting, or you turn it Or you end up intermittently fasting because you eat a giant thing of protein and fat, right? Yeah, I kind of feel like I tend to at least initially let people just let their appetite naturally evolve with this. And I have always found that people tend to naturally switch to just twice a day anyway. And then, you know, I might use it as a tool in the toolbox for somebody who's, let's say, done this for six months. They've lost 20, 30 pounds and now they're at a plateau. And I'll say, well, you know what, let's shorten up your eating window and see if that has an effect. Get your ketones and, you know, changing and change things up. And,

you know, I use it like that, but I find a lot of people actually will end up just enjoying doing OMAD every day. And they just like, yeah, I only got to cook once, eat once, clean up once. It's simple and it works really well for, you know, maintaining a lean body mass. How do you maintain this tan? Where do you live at? Well, I live on the beach in New Jersey. And then I just was fortunate enough to be in between positions as an eye doctor. And I spent two months down in Florida.

And then I got to fly out to California. That's awesome. And the sun is really, really healthy and really important. And it's interesting now as an eye doctor, I'm telling people don't wear sunglasses. Let the sun actually get into your eyes. It actually triggers a lot of electrical impulses and it recharges the mitochondria. There's so much benefit to the sun. And that, you know, aside from the whole vitamin D that everybody knows about, it actually does a lot more than just that.

So it's really important. Getting outside. And I love how, you know, you're out there showing the 10-minute walks. It's like, get outside. We're so, you know, we're so used to just, you know, being indoors so much and that so many people actually don't really get outside that it's, you know, I love, you know, the get out and do the walks and get fresh air and get the sunshine in your eyes and on your body. But you're going to get skin cancer being in the sun. Of course. What are you doing out there?

Yeah. So to that I say, if you are eating sugar, grains, and seed oils, yes, you should just sit inside with a hat on. Because that's actually what causes skin cancers and having that inflammation, not the sun. I mean, man, for millions of years out there hunting on the savanna, out in the sun, we weren't slathering on that toxic sunscreen and they weren't dying off a melanoma. And the majority of melanomas are in spots where the sun doesn't even hit. So, you know, I'm a firm believer, you know, and I could be eating my words one day because I do spend a lot of time out in the sun because it really, I think for both mental and physical reasons, we need to be outside.

And then there's the whole thing with grounding, walking barefoot, you know. And, you know, it's so interesting. I say once you come into this, you know, I'll call it the biohacking world, but for me it was when, you know, you come into this carnivore world and then it's one thing after another. It's like peeling off the layers of the onion and then it's, you know, running backward and it's getting all the plastics out and only storing your stuff in glass. And then it's, you know, doing this grounding thing and then shutting your Wi-Fi off at night. And, you know, you name it, it's like one thing after another. You could just keep going on and on. But we live in such an artificial, you know, you name it, it's like one thing after another. You could just keep going on and on. But we live in such an artificial, you know, environment and we really need to, not that we need to go live in a cave, but it might be cool to do. How was your meetup. I announced to my followers, if anybody's in the area,

and I had people drive in from Fresno and San Francisco. And we had about a dozen of us that sat around at a Rhodesio, you know, Chihascaria Brazilian steakhouse place. And they invited us over to the salad bar and we all declined and turned our little cards over to the green side and had the meat parade come by. And there's just something so empowering. I love these meetups. That was the 15th one that I posted. That's great. I try to host one wherever I go. And it's just... Look how happy everybody is. though you know what it's it's really um

you walk away from it feeling just like you know how you said it's it's empowering to take control of that aspect of your life to say you know i'm i'm doing this to get healthy and i'm feeling better and to be around other people that are like-minded and other people who are flying their freak flag together, it's just really pretty cool. I get it. People think you're crazy, but you're really just on the other side of the tunnel. Yeah, there's some chicken hearts. See there? I got my organs.

There you go. Those are good. Yeah. Tastes like chicken. That's what I said. That's awesome. Dang, I should have picked a weird date of fast okay how did i'm looking at this stuff yeah right how did uh how did some of this lifting stuff uh come into come into play because you

haven't been i don't think previously you were lifting until maybe about two years ago yeah i kind of um i i got more yeah i got serious about it a couple years ago when I, again, peeling back the layers of the onion and realizing that you really need to do weight-bearing exercise to stay healthy the rest of your life. I mean sarcopenia is a real thing. Osteoporosis is a real thing. And, you know, I'm looking at it, I'm not getting any younger and I'm, you know, I'm going to fight it every step of the way that I, my goal is to, you know, I say there's two goals, have sex with the lights on and always look good naked and be able to do my cartwheels on my beach for the rest of my life. So there's three driving forces. And yeah, I just keep trying to encourage anybody and everybody to get out and start. Don't be intimidated. It's

really simple. There's so many people who are out there to help. And I just recently posted about an eight-week program that, you know. Meg Squats? Yeah, Meg Squats. And I'm really excited. I have a whole bunch of people who have written and said they're in and they're signed up and they're doing it. And, yeah, it's so important. You're going to have to have a conversation with that young lady.

Yeah. Because she eats a lot of other types of food. So you've got to tell her, look, this other lifestyle you have over here is bullshit. The lifting's cool. Lifting's cool, but she's not vegetarian, is she? No. She's not like that. She just had a baby.

She did, yeah. Yeah. Andrew's got a baby. I do. What are some suggestions for people that have young kids, like, you know, introducing some of these meats and some of the things? Like, what do you think is some good ideas? Yeah, I so, so, so wish I had found this so many years ago when –

For your own kids. For my own kids, yeah. My kids were so already ingrained in mac and cheese and pizza and, you know, pasta that it was – I was wrapping my brain around it. I was not going to dictate anybody else, you know, eat in this fashion. But, yeah, absolutely. I would have just – you know, I see these little infants. Their first food is gnawing on a beef bone and, you know, eggs and not giving them that garbage rice grain cereal and oats. And it's not natural and healthy for us. So that I, you know, it's really, it's so, so cool watching different carnivores in,

you know, social media, raising their kids fully carnivore. And it's absolutely, you know, people say, well, how could that be healthy? It's healthy for me. It's healthy for them, you know, so. A lot of times parents will spend 30 minutes, maybe even closer to an hour preparing a meal and they'll spend like four minutes on their children's meal.

Yeah, and it's like, you know. It's like, maybe you should think about that a little bit more. Yeah, and go to the restaurant. Every kid's meal, it's chicken fingers. It's deep fried in the seed oils and chicken fingers and French fries. And that's the majority of what kids want, and they want what they're used to eating. And, yeah, just put a hamburger in front of them. Just, you know, break up some ground beef and give them fish, you know. And it's funny when

you actually watch, if you put on the tray some, you know, cut up pieces of steak and some cut up broccoli, watch what the kids will eat you know they're going for the steak it's there's some really funny tiktok videos about that yeah it's i always bring up spaghetti factory because their kids menu literally everything on there has zero protein it's all noodles and some sauce it's a mac and cheese or it's you know spaghetti with nothing on it other than paste or whatever it is. My son's super spoiled at this point, but I'm really proud of him because I put a Costco steak in front of him. He ate a little bit and then he called it off pretty quickly.

When I put a Piedmontese steak in front of him, he doesn't stop. It's crazy. He's an expensive baby. Yeah. I've never tried Pmontese oh my gosh we'll fix that right away but like him and my daughter you know she just sent me a picture of her breakfast plate and it's like an omelet with bacon and stuff it's like oh my god i'm so proud of you right now but with him he like man i always i'll say it again but i feel like i'm captain

america with my you know my shield blocking all the bad food around him because everybody wants to give him something. Oh, let's see what happens when we give him cake. Like, let's not. And so it's like – And the goldfish crackers and the Cheerios. Yeah. Yeah, I did cave with like – they are – I don't know. They're from Sprouts.

They are like shaped like Cheerios, but they're not. But they're close. But we actually lost his doctor because we weren't giving him Cheerios like that was that was the start of it I just I like emphasizing that but like our our doctor like fired us it was fucking awesome she's like what you're not doing the cereal anymore like no you're still doing breast milk like yeah like you guys aren't following what I'm saying and if you're not following what I'm saying then I I'm going to have to not like be your doctor anymore. I was like, fucking peace out. But it is funny though, because like, oh, like this isn't going to kill him. And I'm like, okay, well not like immediately.

He's not going to die from like an Oreo cookie. Like, but down the road, like we have no idea where this is going to go. And right now he loves eating steak. So I'm not going to take that away from him. It's a real roll of dice, whether your kid will be able to have the ability to stop eating those delicious things that other people come to love. Yeah, and his parents don't have the best track record when it comes to, you know, like, I'll just have one. Yeah, right. Yeah, and you see the kids having temper tantrums in the store just wanting the candy and the sugar. The kids having temper tantrums in the store just wanting the candy and the sugar. And, you know, again, these companies have specific addiction specialists on their payroll, and they're there for a reason.

And, yeah, it's appalling when you go down the cereal aisle too, and it's crazy, you know, chocolate chip cookie cereal and, you know. So I think when people think about just being carnivore and they're thinking like, oh, she just eats meat, immediately what comes to their mind is that you just eat steak. But there's still a lot of other options. I see you, you know, cooking stuff and you're making things. You probably, for you personally, you probably don't use any seasonings that are vegetable or whatever, but like you probably don't use any seasonings that are vegetable or whatever. But like you probably don't use pepper and garlic and those kinds of things, do you? I don't use pepper only just in particular because the pepper seed is a seed. And I'm not like such a huge fan that I'm missing it.

I'm missing it, but I do in my cooking because I'm trying to really make this really flavorful and enjoyable for people who are coming to this. I'm not telling anybody. You got to eat steak with salt and ground beef with salt. I mean there's some really great spices, and most people are not sensitive to spices. So I have this like a gyro spice. I saw you making like buffalo something. Oh, yeah. There's buffalo chicken magic. That's pretty amazing. It's crazy good. Making enoki and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And well, and there's, so there's another topic is dairy and cheese. So dairy is in some people pretty inflammatory and there's casomorphines in cheese and that's

addictive. And I do find for myself. Casomorphines? Casomorphines. It's called casomorphines. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah.

It's literally an opioid, right? Yeah. And if I open up a fresh. Why? It's so damn good. A ball of fresh mozzarella and I start, I keep going, you know, that's, that's part of my problem, you know? So I have to try to eliminate or limit cheese and I go through phases of having a little funeral for it and then it comes,

sneaks its way back in. But, you know, it's really fun making. I know you've made them too, but chaffles, you know, with the egg and the cheese. I think raw, especially raw cheese just has a lot of great features to it that I think that anyone that can tolerate it should eat. Yeah. And the raw aged Parmesan in particular, I think is really good. But yeah, it makes for a – Those eggs are perfect, aren't they, though? Soft-boiled eggs are so underrated.

On a bed of bacon. So good. And then I think I sprinkle a little blue cheese on it. Oh, wow. Oh, that's good. Oh, man. That's like such a favorite go-to bowl of food right there. I don't think I've ever had blue cheese.

Oh, my gosh. Blue cheese crumbles. Yeah, gorgonzola. No, actually, that's not the one. It's like close enough to your name. I know, right? No, I've never had it. Yeah, so good, so good. You wouldn't dig blue cheese.

No, I vary. I'll have lamb. I'll have sausage, kielbasa, bratwurst. Like I'll have different things, slab of baby back ribs. You know, there's so much variety. I really – I laugh when people say, oh, don't you get bored? So boring. That's, you know, how – it's like, it's not boring at all.

There's so many different types of meats. You can get creative with it. You can like fry stuff in like tallow. And I mean, you can, there's all kinds of stuff you can do if you just kind of think about it. Yeah. And realistically, what it comes down to, though, is I get really, really simple. And my, you know, when I get hungry, boy, does a ribeye taste great. I'm never, really simple. And when I get hungry, boy, does a ribeye taste great.

I'm never tired of it. And I happen to really like ground beef. And so, is that looking good? I think it's important. You said you never get tired of it. I think it's important for people to not get tired of what they're trying to eat, to stick to any particular diet.

But I also think that in order to do that, you need to have, like you need to intermittently eat. Like there has to be periods of time where you're intermittently not eating, because you have to be like hungry for it every time. Right, and I tell people, you get hungry enough, pretty much any piece of meat's gonna taste good, look good, smell good, and be good.

And then people are like, but doesn't it get boring? Aren't you bored? I go, no. Are you bored waiting in line at the pharmacy? Are you bored waiting in the waiting room of your doctor? I'm not bored doing any of those things at all. That would be boring to me. But meat, no, it's not boring. Do you use electrolytes or anything at all? Because that's one thing that a lot of carnivores do since they don't get as much. So do you do any of that or do you just get everything through food? Yeah, you know what? I just kind of have always felt like, I don't know, what's my need for it? I feel great.

So, you know, it's interesting because I'm being a broken record here, but Ancestral Man wasn't going to GNC and getting supplements and electrolytes. They weren't going online to order electrolytes. Do I have enough sodium, magnesium, and potassium? I think so. My blood work is all good. I don't feel, you know, some people get cramps and maybe initially they have to supplement with some extra salt or I salt my food to taste. And, you know, for some people, maybe that might help them if they've got leg cramps because that's a common thing at the beginning. It's not easy in the first two to three weeks typically to, if you rip the band-aid off and go cold turkey on this from a standard American diet, there's some rough spots on that to get your body transitioned over to this because you're not used to not having, running on carbs. And disaster pants might happen, right?

Yes, that can happen in some people. And just be cautious. Don't overly eat overly fatty cuts of meat. Don't overdo it on pork belly and ribeye with butter, and you should be fine. It's probably a huge drastic change for some people. Oh, huge change. Maybe normally they're eating half that amount of fat or don't have that amount of fat in one meal. Right. Or have rice or pasta or bread to absorb and digest it differently than what they do without it. So I'm actually, if you remember when you switched, did you go cold turkey?

I'm just wondering how long did it take for your digestive system to be able to function properly when going to the restaurant. Yeah. So for me, it was a little different because prior to hitting upon the whole zero carb thing, I was paleo. And so I had already given up bread, pasta, rice, beans, potato, corn, that whole kind of thing. So my transition was really pretty smooth and pretty easy. It was more wrapping my brain around because we would always go out for breakfast on the weekends and I would always do the upcharge for the toasted bagel with my omelet, you know, and it was like, wow, I'm not eating bread anymore. You know, I'm not just, just that concept of, of taking that totally out of your diet is, is it's, it, I get it. It's really hard at the beginning to comprehend not having that. The rigid stance. So I think it,

it can really be helpful to a lot of people, you know, just because once you start to take out like a couple things, then you start to really realize like, okay, I got to commit to, I got to take that out too. You're like, oh shit, I got it. Oh shit, if I'm being honest, I got to take that out too. And then you end up with a clear cut plan on what it is that you're going to do. For you, you know, pretty much every day, approximately when you're going to eat. You have a good idea. You know what you're going to eat. You look forward to it every time. You know how to prepare it. You know where it's at. You know how to like, uh, defrost something quickly if you need to. Um, you don't have to carry around food. You don't have to worry about,

uh, who you're meeting for lunch and where you're eating. A lot of fitness people have a lot of anxiety over holidays and over when they're eating and where they're eating. And something like the 4th of July or something like Thanksgiving or Christmas, people are so tied in. Those things don't just mean like, oh, I get to be around my family. It's like, oh, I get to eat whatever I want for a handful of days. And for some folks, they're like, I want to choose to not do that anymore. But then they find themselves in that same pattern and people continue to gain more and more weight, especially around the holidays. People can gain like four to six pounds pretty easily. And then they just, they don't think about it. They don't ever get back around to like trying to knock that weight off. Yeah.

I often hear that same thing about the holidays, but it really comes down to, I believe, it's an excuse to go back to your little favorite pal of an addiction. It's your excuse to go back because, well, it's Christmas. I'm not really addicted. It's not that big of a deal. Right. Well, I'm just going to have this. And next thing you know, just like you said, they're down the slippery slope into the ditch and back full on eating all that stuff. And yeah, for me, it's – I say have a plan.

For me, it's, you know, I say have a plan. You know, you can easily stay on track if you set your mind to it. You know, you have control what you're going to eat. You know, of course, my parents know how I eat. So when I head there for a holiday, it's like, well, we got, you know, we're doing a standing rib roast. Awesome, you know, and it's all easy. But, you know, bring something. Bring, you know, bring a pound of bacon. You can always, everybody loves bacon.

Cook bacon up. How do you introduce wine into this diet? Because I think you'd get more women to hop on the carnivore train if you had cheese and wine. Yes, yes. Well, so, you know, alcohol is a whole different can of worms with this. We can have alcohol? Well, yeah. So technically, technically not carnivore, but actually I was going to come up with a whole video about this because I get it. It's part of life. It's still part of my social life. So you still have a drink here and there?

I do. Oh, cool. I do. I, in particular, don't really do so well with wine just because of headaches. But, you know, if I'm at a real fine steakhouse and a Caymus is ordered, boy, do I enjoy that. But I'll sip one through the entire meal. But for the most part, you know do I enjoy that. But I'll sip one through the entire meal. But for the most part, you know, beer's out, margaritas are out, you know, the sugary stuff's all out. But, you know, a vodka with club, a bourbon, tequila, that's pretty clean as far as carbs go.

That's pretty clean as far as carbs go. And, you know, again, you have to know where you are on the spectrum of that because it's so easy. Picture you're at a Mexican restaurant. You're having some tequila. Now these nachos are there and everybody at the table is raving. These are the best you'll ever have. Have you ever had, you know, the guacamole? You know, and you're resistant. As soon as you start drinking, all of a sudden you get the fuck it.

You know, you're just like, all right, let's just go for it. So there's that. The social situations are, you know, I either look at the menu ahead of time. You can go online. I sometimes will even call ahead of time. I'll say, you know, are your chicken wings smoked or are they deep fried in oil? You know, so I don't have to make a scene at the table. So, you know, there's things that you can do that are so simple.

I can pretty much go anywhere and get a burger, just a bunless burger. You got some extra bacon? Can you throw a fried egg on there? Awesome. You know, it's fine. And if I just don't get my fill because I've just had that one burger, I go home and I eat another burger, you know, or have a steak. But, you know, unless I'm invited out to a vegetarian restaurant, that's the only way I would decline. But I can pretty much find a steak or a burger anywhere or an omelet. So again, it's all in making excuses. And I say you can make excuses or make progress, not both. Real quick question. What oil do you ask them to cook with when you eat out, when you choose to eat a steak out?

You said you're allergic to certain oils. Yeah, I say no oil. I want no oil whatsoever. Just grill it. Just grill it. Just grill it? Yeah. So, you know, just laying out there that you cannot have any oil, then that makes it, you know, up front.

You know, and then people say, well, what about olive oil? it, you know, up front, you know, and then people say, well, what about olive oil? I've seen enough studies that show 80% of them are adulterated illegally with cut with cheap canola oil. So, I just don't trust any of them. And so, then people say, well, what oil do you use? And I said, I don't have any use for oil. Butter and bacon fat are awesome to cook with if you need to, Butter and bacon fat are awesome to cook with if you need to, but I don't even need to really. I mean, I use sometimes, you know, when I cook eggs, sometimes I like to use butter. Sometimes I do like to put, I'll do a whipped blue cheese butter on my ribeye. That's pretty amazing.

But yeah, there's really no need to put oil on anything, you know. Yeah, the oils at restaurants is usually like 50-50. It's like olive oil, canola oil mix. Yeah. And they literally, I mean, if you've ever been behind, you know, if you've ever seen them preparing stuff, they use a lot of oil. They're trying to give you the best experience they can. They're trying to make it taste the best they can. The oil will allow some of the other stuff they're cooking with to kind of absorb into it. And so they're just really going for it.

Yeah, and they do it to sear the scallop. You get that nice crispy brown sear on a scallop. Well, that's done in oil. I went to a restaurant and I asked for my salmon just to be grilled. And the guy was like, oh, I need to check on that. I'm not sure if we can do that. And then I was like, I cook salmon all the time. You don't need to put any oil with it.

Exactly, yeah. So then he came back. He's like, oh, yeah, it turns out we can do that. I'm like, okay, cool. Andrew, want to take us on out of here, buddy? Absolutely. Thank you, everybody, for checking out today's episode. Please make sure you guys like today's episode and subscribe to the YouTube channel.

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Oh. Were you doing anything heavy or crazy? I wouldn't say too crazy. Just tore open. I saw on your Instagram your grandmother turned 100. Yeah. She's 100. She's got 20 more years to go.

She doesn't want to be here for 20 more years she continues to let us know I can't wait for the good lord to take me she's doing good though but yeah yeah does she remind you that you look skinny

and that you need to eat yes every time I see her she's telling me I need to eat more food I love that I know I'm at Mark Smelly Bell

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