Mark Bell's Power Project - Modern Gym Culture has a Steroid Problem - Jonni Shreve || MBPP Ep. 1041

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

In episode 1041, Jonni Shreve, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk about Natty Or Not videos being useless, issues with young people taking PEDs and how Jonni's friendship with Greg Doucette ended.   Follow Jonni on IG: https://www.instagram.com/jonnishreveofficial/ Watch Jonni on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jonnishreve   Official Power Project Website: https://powerproject.live Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw   Special perks for our listeners below!   🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save up to 25% off your Build a Box ➢ Piedmontese Beef: https://www.CPBeef.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150   🩸 Get your BLOODWORK Done! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel!   Sleep Better and TAPE YOUR MOUTH (Comfortable Mouth Tape) 🤐 ➢ https://hostagetape.com/powerproject to receive a year supply of Hostage Tape and Nose Strips for less than $1 a night!   🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!   Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 Pumps explained:      ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!   ➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!   Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://www.PowerProject.live ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject   FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell   Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ UNTAPPED Program - https://shor.by/untapped ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en   Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz   #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject

What are your thoughts on Natty or not? I think they're useless. Most people who really, truly care about Natty or not don't go to the fucking gym. Oh, now I can't get a six pack because Liver King lied? Yes. I've done steroids. What I hate about it, if we're going to start getting into morals, who in the fuck are you? Who the fuck are you?

Who is this person that's claiming that this other person is lying? And what's it for? You have the audacity. The audacity. To like berate somebody for potentially lying. Nowadays, you got guys 18, 19, peptides, SARMs. When it comes down to it, it's like you're getting rewarded. Getting more subscribers, more followers.

What's the deal with Greg Doucette? He was in my wedding. He was one of the first people to see my kid born. It was surprising to me that that's what it took for our friendship to be. That's it. Paraproject family, we've had some amazing guests on this podcast like Kurt Engle, Tom Segura, Andrew Hooperman, and we want to be able to have more amazing guests on this podcast, and you can help it grow by leaving us a quick rating and review on Spotify and iTunes. If you're listening to the podcast, just go ahead and give us a review. Let us know how you dig it and help the podcast grow so we can keep growing

with y'all and bring you amazing information enjoy the show yeah get ready for it there you go yeah oh man we should have set it up so he could like fucking dj for us you know wait who this guy have you guys heard some of his fucking beats? No. He's fucking incredible. A dilly dally. I didn't know. No, I was really, I mean, I listened to, I think I saw a few of them on there, on your IG. That was, yeah, the latest one was the. I was listening to it.

I'm like, is he doing it? And I was like, whoa, shit, this is really good. My brother's a pro DJ. How do you be a pro? How do you turn pro? He gets signed. He writes music and gets signed. Oh, okay.

He works at EDM.com. And we're all musicians, so picking up a controller is like playing the piano almost. I think that's cool. You've always been musically inclined? It's an old story, yeah. What do you think the difference is between someone that can find the beat and hear it

versus someone that maybe can't? It's insane. other than skin color where are we going with this one yeah i just think it's cool that like uh different different sports or different things hit people different ways and sometimes when somebody goes to pick up something new they pick it up right away yeah yeah yeah. Bad sounds to me is like high-definition nonsense. I hear it immediately. And then like, ugh. But then, you know, if you have, like, music's

one of those things, like anything else, you either have the gift for it or you don't. And it still needs to be practiced. And 100%. Yeah, like you have to. If you don't, then you just kind of lose it. And then, like, look at that douche't then you just kind of lose it and then have you ever had your uh youtube canceled before like what we went through recently uh no but i had a strike so uh i know you guys well i mean i'm when i wouldn't when it happened to you guys i was like man that sucks and then i'm like you guys are probably good because when

i had my strike i was like my heart stopped i was like, my heart stopped. I was like, oh my God, I flashed back years. I'm like, I lost my channel, my business is gone and I'm poor on the street somewhere. I had a full breakdown.

So when you guys, I was like, oh man, I'm like, Slingshot, yeah, Mark probably good. You know,

he's, you know, you can probably do another one and then I look at your other channel and I'm like, his other channel's got big anyway. What the, just move it over there.

Right. But yeah, I was, I had it almost, just a strike. what was it for for so i had uh being in my uh intro was here's johnny and i had a gorilla radio like here's johnny and then that was it 11 seconds and it went on for like i had someone make it for me like three, like years ago, whatever, three years ago. And we got a strike. And I read it because usually get one is like, yeah, don't worry.

It's not a strike. Get to channel is just whatever. Like I thought was one of those. And I was like, look at him like you have a strike. I'm like strike. I'm like, and my heart was like, what the heck? And I call it. I'm like, dude, where, where did this come from?

And he's like, oh, I'm checking. I'm checking. He's looking. He's like, bro, it's the, it's the intro. I'm like, what intro? The intro. I'm like the intro is in every one of his videos. So I'm on the chat help thing.

And I'm like, can you get copyright strike more than once from the same person? Long story short, I was like, yes. I'm like, huh. I'm like, all right, give me a sec. So I messaged the, I think it was a lawyer, whoever the hell it was, representing for Ranges of Machines. And I'm like, sir, so sorry, we didn't really know blah, blah, blah. We're going to take all those

right now. If we take them all out of all of our intros, can you take the strike down, whatever? And he's like, yeah, for sure. I'm like, cool. I'll let you know. And Etter went through every fucking video and took out 11 seconds of it. And that intro was awesome.

11 seconds? I thought we had like 15 seconds. So that's all bullshit. What? My whole life is a lie. It can be one second. It can be one second. It is up to the discretion of the person who owns that shit.

So there is no like one second. That's why I was like, yo, whatever it is, get it out. Is that where some of this stuff comes from? It comes from another person? Did that person issue a strike towards you? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't expect you to do all these things, but can I call a strike on someone else?

Yeah, 100%. Wow. Yeah, we get those privacy or copyright issues AthleanX does it to me all the time does it get reviewed yeah but I don't

they can basically AthleanX does it all the time like if I go if I go hard in the paint the videos demodify or it's like share it's like

they'll do it they'll treat it just like if you're using someone's music but you don't get a strike yeah like you're you know

you're getting minimal monetization or whatever right but if you if you want to be a dick and be like screw you man and you know click but you don't know that's also like gold rule not to do so i think it's important to share with people like uh from from what happened to us and sounds like what happened to you in uh in either case it's not this is not about free speech. This is about, right. I mean, this is trying to be canceled.

I'm just saying, like, I think that's the thing that people that triggered people when my, when our cancer, our show got canceled. I think, I think the big, I think the thing is I get that.

I agree. That stands a hundred percent, but it's, it's, it's free speech when I'm outside. Right. Like, but what I mean,

even that's really not, cause you can chill with someone, whatever. Right. But it's YouTube speech when I'm outside. Right? Like, but what I mean, even that's really not because you can chill with someone. Sort of, yeah. Whatever. Right? But it's, YouTube is a business. Yeah.

It's a storefront and you're in their store and there's rules to be in their store. And if they don't want you in their store, they have every right to kick you out of their store. Right. So it's like when people like, it's, it's not, it's not a government owned,

you know, platform. It's a private platform that has to be one of those powerful platforms probably the most powerful platform really to be honest and if they're like hey man uh we don't like you you don't like what you're saying it's coming against you know it's a business like hey you know all these things that are that google is connected to if it doesn't favor their overall business, then it's like, you know, you got to kind of play. You got to play. Yeah, yeah.

So it's, and it's unfortunate. It sucks. I think there should be a way better process to like, hey, at least 100% warning. Like if like, or even it's just like, I didn't get a warning. I just got a strike. It wasn't like, and I'm sure like, you know,

they can make the argument that, you know, I've had, you know, if you use someone's music and they're like, Hey, you know, it's not against your channel, no strike, but you can't get full monetization on this, whatever.

I'm sure they can make a case and be like, Hey, you've done it enough. You know, this is, you know, there's no warning for that, but there should be 100%.

Like, just like, I mean, if we have, if you get a warning or if you have to go through court systems in the real world, then you should have to go through something like that on YouTube. Shouldn't be like, wake up,

gone. Could yours get frozen or paused because of the strike? A one strike is like you have a probation on it. So your one strike is almost like a warning. You have a strike and if you do anything within that probation period

you can basically be donezo after that you don't get less views or less anything it's just like here's your strike it's on there if you get another one within this time

your channel can be off and what's really interesting about like the copyright strikes is youtube isn't like they're not a uh a moderator or whatever you want to call it like they're not the middle person if a company you know strikes your channel down or whatever for uh a copyright strike youtube just believes them and when you rebuttal it youtube's like it's dude we're not the ones that are going to decide yes or no you can then now take that to court if you want but it's like how many people are going to actually want to go the extra steps to do all that you can submit a review and sometimes it can get you know cleared but in most cases like yeah it's up to uh like the person that's right like actually striking down on everything

and then it's like you kind of have almost no say so it's like to, like, the person that's, like, actually striking down on everything. And then it's, like, you kind of have almost no say. So it's, like, a weird situation for creators. Yeah, especially if it's, like, the business self or, like, you know, someone's lawyer says, like, hey, by the way, YouTube automatically is going to be, like, done. Like, if there's court already brought to our doorstep, you're done. And they'll take it down. And then you have to go through whatever it is and then hopefully get your channel back up. But yeah.

What got you into YouTube? Starting a channel and stuff. I have, I have like, I've, so I had, I started a channel in 2008 for my CFL highlight day. I have another dumb channel.

It just, it's a Canadian football. Yeah. Okay. football. Yeah. CFL guys. Is he making fun of me or something? I'm not. I don't even watch football. CFL. Yeah.

We have football. Be an athlete, bro. This other channel is just me and my buddy doing the... We have bags on our heads and we're doing a bag dance it's really funny it's hilarious actually is it still up?

it's still a dead mouse song it's called a bag dance I want to see this so bad I swear to god it's like 7 minutes it's a full song, dead mouse song like you know extended version and we're doing this entire dance. Like we're just feeding off each other's stupidity.

And yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty funny. And then I started my channel in 2012. That was, I, I just finished, you know, college drug addiction counseling. And then I was going to broadcast my life online and be like, you can blow your life and you can, this is my comeback story basically. And I was, you know, I was, you know, I got on the bodybuilder and I was watching, you know, Ronnie Cutler, Flex Lewis, Flex, you know, all these, you know, I'm like, I'm going to do that. That's perfect.

I'm going to get a bunch of views, you know, people are going to see it and great. And then did that and then it didn't go that way whatsoever. But that's how it started. But rewind, you, you wore a drug addiction counselor no no i was in oh you were okay the different story sweet uh yeah i was i was a patient i was a i was the person in the chair again you know we have our information all wrong. Let's just shut this down. I don't think there's anything else to talk about here.

Yo, thanks. You're addicted to drugs? What the fuck, bro? Well, honestly, like, that's actually really dope because look at where you are now. Like, you're fucking killing it. And the fact that you were addicted to whatever it was you were addicted to, like, you can turn that shit around. Yeah. That was the goal of the channel.

So, you know, I saw, what's his name? Brandon Marshall. He was doing a thing for, he was, a part of,

time in his life was like pretty shitty when he was playing football and he was going through his realization he has borderline personal disorder and it was affecting his career.

And I remember him being like, and he had the same Bible I had and and whatever and he was like football is my platform mental health is my purpose and i was like i was you know tears my eyes like yeah shit this is exactly what i'm trying to do here with the bodybuilding stuff so that was that's the at the core of why i started my bodybuilding career i have i was born i was diagnosed borderline personality disorder um and then going through everything that you can go through, having that, uh, disorder, um, and getting help when you're in your thirties and not when you're younger, you can only imagine, you know, what kind of life you lived, you know, going through that. So it's, uh, that was my thing

to kind of project my life, be transparent, be who I am. It was like, it was, it was my way of like virtually journaling. Yeah. So that was my, you know, my coping,

one of my coping mechanism tools I was using. And then it turned into this. How many people have that, that haven't been diagnosed borderline personality disorder? Do you think? Ah, man, I have used, do you see it

sometimes and you're like oh man i wonder i so it's it's very it's a very tricky one like i don't want to like just you know google diagnose people whatever but there's like there's obvious things like if you've had if you've been through some like early childhood trauma um you're most likely probably have traits of it right and i you know and it's, so I find that my age, like when I was in, I'm 40 and when I was, it was clear as day, like knowing what I know now,

it was clear as day that I had some issues from a very young age all the way up. But mental health wasn't anything of the such then it wasn't, you know, it was there, but it wasn't, it wasn't, there wasn't any real awareness around it. It wasn't, you know, it was there, but it wasn't, there wasn't any real awareness around it.

It was more like, here's a drug or pray for him or that kind of thing, right? It wasn't a, you know, let's find out why. Let's, you know, go through some steps of mindfulness and awareness and, you know, going back down the rabbit hole and just, you know, trying to, you know, get to the bottom of things and then that acceptance and whatnot, that whole process was, is a very, like, I would say new thing in the last, I would say like 15 years, 20 years, I would say. So it's, I think like a lot of people have a lot of untreated, I would say, things. I won't say that everyone has more personal disorder,

but I would say that there's a lot of things that people have not been able to or have been aware to go through. And I call it like programming, right? We're all programmed by our parents. And our parents did the best they could doing what they could. And depending on that relationship will kind of give you an idea of like what the rest of your trajectory will look like until you are at that place of consciousness where I say like, you know, when you're aware that you've been programmed and you're trying to deviate from that programming.

So, yeah. Yeah, I think it's, I always think that we're like one box check away. You know what I mean? So sometimes people have a tendency to look down on someone that gets addicted to drugs or someone that's bipolar or whatever the situation might be. And I just think unfortunately that could be your daughter one day. Unfortunately that could be your son. Unfortunately like you probably have people like why are you talking shit about this person you probably have someone that's really close to you that suffers from the same thing yeah yeah yeah yeah as a dad it's like um i'm blessed that i was because i look at my parents i was talking about this with mark uh no mark um with uh dave tate a couple weeks ago, but we are, we are way more conscious people now of those things.

So it's easier for me as a dad to see, to know that like, Hey man, like, and there's, there's no way I can get away with programming. Like I, like I'm, my kids get programmed no matter what, but I can, I can definitely like limit the, the amount of what I project onto her and in that kind of of unconscious programming and whatnot. So it's like, yeah, it could be your kid one day if you're not careful of how you are treating your kid or your relationship with your partner in front of your kid. All those things play a huge role in how you're programmed,

how you basically navigate through life based on how you've been programmed the word of the day is program when dude when you were younger like I don't know when you found out that you had BPD but how did when you realized it what did you go back and like look at you're like oh shit that makes sense and that makes sense yeah so the the unfortunate part about it is i got diagnosed late in life so when i when i got through addiction counseling whatnot um we started talking about like touching into um depression and and unfortunately with like the with my counseling at school when i graduated it was like you're just kind of like you're done

type thing it's like So I got to use all the benefits of the school later. But when you start talking about depression, I was like, whoa, wait a minute. Depression, to me, I was like, drugs, that's bad. I'm not trying to do that again. So I was like, we're good. I can manage myself with, you know, and that's what mental health is. It's just being able to manage who

you are, and you don't cure yourself with mental health. But I was diagnosed late. So that was a really hard part for me was going back who you are and you don't cure yourself with mental health. But I was diagnosed late. So that was a really hard part for me was going back. Like, cause like with my diagnosis and I remember things when I'm three, like I got, I can go back to like the earliest times of my life and like relive them as is there. So when that's like, and it's a, it's a, it's a um coping mechanism it's a way to protect yourself right so you keep things like in your head you know safety you know you're safe or you know you're in danger you're hyper vigilant whatnot so going through the process of

like that deprogramming i would say or unprogramming um i would go i would see him like, this was so obvious. Yeah. I was like, this was so obvious that I had all of these, like all of these check mark things on like all the BPD traits, like all of them. And it was very apparent. It was very obvious now, but I didn't have that awareness from the other people then. And the first time I was diagnosed with like add and like

apparently at the point too i was uh 17 yeah and i was just getting out of a court situation and i asked my you know my coaches for help i'm like i need help it's like i knew at times in my life i was like this isn't right but also had like heavy programming of religion too my mom's a reverend so when it came to like hey man man, like you have, there's obvious reasons, some's have been here. It's like, pray for him. You know, pray for, pray for the child. You know, it's, so that, that alone, it was like, so.

I know what you mean. Cause in my family, there's a lot of like, our family's deeply religious. And like, when it comes to some mental health stuff that's happened to certain people, you're like, pray for them. Just prayer is the thing. It's, it's, it's not first medical help. that's happened to certain people, you're like, pray for them. Just prayer is the thing. It's not first medical help. It's prayer. Yeah, yeah.

You know? Yeah, so. Not that prayer is useless. I'm not saying that. But sometimes it needs to be a little bit more. So it's, I've had so many conversations to myself about my whole journey that way. And yeah, praying is good, but like praying is also like a mode of meditation that if you say it

properly, you're actually using that advice in a way that's going to help the situation. Yeah. You're like playing it forward, paying it forward almost to yourself. Yeah. So it's like an affirmation.

Yeah. I feel like pray. It's like what praying is basically praying is like one of the heightened states of being aware. Like you're in the moment you're praying to someone or something or whatever, you're quiet, whatever it is, Yeah, I feel like praying is basically one of the heightened states of being aware. Like you're in the moment, you're praying to someone or something or whatever, you're quiet, whatever it is, you're aware of what's happening in that moment. So if you're telling somebody like pray for him, it's like that person, not the person, but the person understand they need to be more aware of what's happening. And then, you know, scale up from there. But so, yeah, so I got diagnosed late and then figured those things out late.

So I spent my teens, adolescence, just impulsive and, you know, finding ways to, you know, cope with, you know, everyday life. I find it's like whenever, like until you're conscious of who you are to some degree, Until you're conscious of who you are to some degree, you are kind of impulsively writing your reactions to how you filter everything that happens to you in life. That's all it is. Like you go into an environment, someone says hi to you, you respond. Right? And depending on where you're at and how someone says hi to you or who you are, it depends on how you're going to respond.

So that was the question. And you never even think on like why you respond in a particular way. No, you don't. You're like, oh, maybe I respond that way because I'm mad in the morning. And it's like, why are you mad? You start to peel back those layers and you find out. You get to kind of the root cause. Yeah, exactly.

What is borderline personality disorder? Is it the same as being bipolar or different? Bipolar is more of like very neurological. So BPD is like, there's so many, it's a very hard one to diagnose because it's almost like a lot in one. Bipolar is very neurological where BPD is very environmental at the start. There are some traits in there that you can have carried over from that could be hereditary. So if someone's bipolar, if you have traits of that, it can kind of like bleed into the same, you know, diagnosis or like life where you've, whatever you went through, that you've tried to bury it in some way and then using, you know, life to, and however you, any way you can cope with, you know, interpreting the pain.

You sort of like almost change yourself into a different person? Yeah. Is that what happens? So it is a personality thing as well too. So it is, there is a personality aspect to it. It used to be called personality disorder traits. It's almost like a split personality type thing. And that's a coping mechanism, too.

And I did that when I was younger. I say this very often to people. I used to try to act a certain way or act certain. And it wasn't like I was trying to be cool. I was like, I was trying to be a certain way to feel safe in this environment. Right. So, so I would change, you know, I remember when I was younger, I,

you know, watch, you know, TV and I'd be like, all right, this, this year I want to try and be more like, you know, Will Smith and Steve Urkel. I'm dead serious. You know what I mean? Like, and I'm like, but Stefan Arkell and Will, cause Will Smith's really cool, but you know, Stefan Arkell's smart. Do y'all but Stefan Arkell and Will because Will Smith is really cool but you know Stefan Arkell is smart do y'all remember Stefan Arkell? Of course

okay good we all man so it was it is a very personality thing where there's a lot of disassociation as well too so that's a things I have to work through is like disassociation it is very like personality you have the highs and

lows you do have a very uh bipolar traits there is a very because it's very black and white so there is like you're happy then you're you know you're extreme happiness or extreme sadness it's not like a in the middle thing we're like bipolar it's like that but you're there's a lot more i'll say medic i don't hate seeing medication but like there bipolar it's like that but you're there's a lot more i'll say medic i don't hate seeing medication but like there's it's neural more neurologically where if you with bpd you can learn to manage your emotions so you can bring yourself kind of to a baseline like most people are like you know they sit in that in the middle they're happy and they're sad you know something happens their life they respond the way you should you know you don't deviate

much from the spectrum. What's the real negative of it? Can you describe that? What are the symptoms of it? So I would say interpersonal relationships are absolute terror. Number one, it's like you see somebody as black. You see things in black and white.

You hate somebody and you love somebody, right? Extreme fear of abandonment. Like, and then that fear of abandonment makes you do things to either self-sabotage so you don't feel like you've been abandoned, but at the same time tug of war and backing, like, why are you leaving? I want you to want me back type thing.

So that, you know, and that happens, you know, careless driving that that uh that happens um you know careless driving uh uh promiscuous like you know just all the things that you know preacher's kids would probably all be going through so like so there's there's that and like you know you know not able to commit to things quitting job like lying maybe like like lying. I would say lying would be sort of, I think lying's, I think for maybe some, for other people. Well, everybody lies. But there's an impulsiveness that kind of like, that kind of makes lying not useful. Because you're kind of like, you're just, you're reacting as is.

There's no like thought process into deceiving. Now there is, now there's manipulation, 100%. Like we are really good manipulators. We'll suck you in and tell you our life and you'll feel like you're our best friend. And then all of a sudden you're going through a rollercoaster ride of emotions. You're like, how the fuck did I get on this fucking ride?

And you're just following your buddy or your girlfriend who's like up and down up and down up and down so i literally went through that um my entire life until being active in therapy i've been there before like a decade now nice yeah yeah when you got the uh the diagnosis uh was it like did you get like a sense of relief maybe like after kind of you know looking back being like oh yeah yeah it was it's a double-edged sword because it was for me it was like i and i i'm a very different person in terms of like i've always wanted to get i knew something was up i was like it's just something wrong so i wanted to get help i brought myself to therapy i

did you know so it was a I want to know why things happen. But then a cool thing my therapist said to me immediately was like, well, when you know why, what then? It's like, what is the goal for when you know why? Instead of being focused on why, it's like, what then? So what are you going to do about the why that you know? Right? So it was relief. That's the thing I would talk about consciousness.

It was relief. It did. That's the thing I would talk about consciousness because once you know about that, and I think everyone and their mother should do some type of like, you know, self-searching, whatever, soul-searching to see why they act the way they do because it made me understand. I'm like, okay, that's why I do these things. And my whole thing before was like, I want to be a Jedi in my mind. I want to be able to control everything that I do.

I want to be a slavei in my mind i want to be able to control everything that i do i want to be a slave to my emotions right and so like it was it was a very it was a relief thing and then at the same time it was like you know very triggering because you're like great now we got to go in those down the rabbit hole and then there's you got to kind of go through every situation again and then you know navigate through it emotionally until you're not just being triggered and then all of a sudden you're just you know responding pat project family we love beef on this podcast we talk about it a lot all right we love our meat but sometimes eating the same meat all the time can get a little bit boring that's why we partner with good life proteins which also has certified piedmontese on their website but sometimes you might just want to eat some chicken or fish or duck.

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But I'm one of those people who, when I exude myself physically, and I've known this since I was young, it helps me so much. When I haven't been able to do that in my past, either when I had major injuries or whatever, and I wasn't able to do that, depression was real. Like it was a real fucking thing. And then like I learned that physically, if I can just use my body, I can be clear to actually focus on things in my life. It helps me just be more present. So was physicality helpful with a lot of this, even though you've been an athlete all your life? So, yes. athlete all your life?

So, burping, sorry. So, yes. So, unconsciously, training,

being in the gym since I was 11, being active, being on, you know, sports, whatever, that was, in hindsight, and even from like,

you know, therapists, like, that's what, that's the one piece in your life that was constant that gave you the ability to continue. If I didn't have

that thing just it's i'm not here i'm dead serious i'm i've i've attempted suicide before i would not be here if i didn't have this outlet that i had that gave me the ability to like when i remember i had suspended from school and i was like johnny goes just go home i was at that point and i was like all right then i went to the gym at the school and spent time in the gym you know that that was my outlet when it came to um therapy and learning how to be more mindful and we're doing like body scans i did um dialectical behavioral therapy what is that um that it's it's a group therapy dialectical behavioral therapy it's i mean everyone should do it it's absolutely awesome but it um it's it's teaches how to like be more aware and present and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So when I was going through that, because that's my, one of the biggest issues for me and especially people who have BPD is not being able to be

present, right? Along with BPD, I have ADHD as well too. So it's like, I'm hyperactive and everything else. So it's, it's trying to be in one spot, like being present and not, you know, having your thoughts wander so far in the future that you're being triggered by those thoughts. And then you're, you know, you're no longer here. You're emotionally charged from some hypothetical thought that you've had that doesn't even make any sense or you're triggered from the past.

So being present was, you know, when we're doing these body scans and whatnot, I didn't realize that, well, it cued to me. I was like, I'm like, most of muscle mind connection that's what being present is i'm like i've been doing this so like so when i so when i went so when i so when i was in therapy doing this when i was in the gym that's why my muscle mind connection got even greater because i was like practicing being present every time i was in the gym so yeah so it was like so it's 100%, like to your question, yeah, for sure. It was there for me that I didn't really know that, you know,

I needed the train, I needed that outlet, but that my outlet was, you know, I wanted to become a better football player, jump higher, run faster, be more explosive. But I didn't really realize it was helping me out when all the times in my life that I needed that outlet. And then now consciously it's like training and this training is the most spiritual thing in the world. Like people, if you don't realize,

if you think you're just going to the gym lifting weights, you're missing out. You know what I mean? Like it's one of the most like self-aware, you know, like mindful practices you can do. And if you can master that, it's like the emotions you go through in a set like you go through like confidence you know insecurity doubt you know you go through every emotion in one set challenge fight or flight failure failure you know what i mean and so like if you can once you tap into that it's like yeah, there you go. So that's what it wouldn't really turn over me.

I was like, oh, shit, this mind and muscle connection thing is like just being present. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Specifically with bodybuilding, you know, I think maybe some people listening, there's a lot of people that they might train for hypertrophy. You know, they might do some things that they would deem as bodybuilding. hypertrophy. You know, they might, they might, they might do some things that they would deem as bodybuilding. But I would say if you never did bodybuilding with a coach and you never lifted with a bodybuilder, somebody that actually has pushed themselves, someone that actually got

themselves on stage, I just, I think it's different. You know, I'm not trying to like discredit people in their, and then bodybuilding recreationally, but it's just different. Every time that I've ever worked out with a bodybuilder, even if it's just for 20 minutes, I get my ass handed to me every single time. Like I'm actually not good at it. It's like, it's something I still need to develop because I just lift. I just kind of go in and I lift. It's not completely mindless, but at this point I've been doing this stuff for so long and power lifting take requires some different tools than yeah than bodybuilding does and it takes a different kind of focus yeah obviously you can't be distracted with that either but bodybuilding is it even takes in my opinion takes more focus because like it's easier

for me to get like and also powerlifting is like central nervous system derived and there's a whole other thing to it but in like bodybuilding is kind of boring like it you know it's like hey let's do these three sets and do these three sets this way you're going to be under stress for this set for 40 to 60 seconds there's going to be a point maybe 30 seconds in you're not going to think you're going to be able to complete it, but I just need you to kind of push through that part and sort of ignore it. And that's where you have to really turn your mind on in that way and have that mind muscle connection. And you're connected to so many more reps and so many more sets as opposed to if you just go in the gym and kind of train. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's funny. We were,

me and Anton were chatting and uh he's like bodybuilders are just professionals at doing repetitions i was like you're a genius like it's exactly what it is so you think like into kind of like you got to get through reps uh you know one through seven yeah in order to earn the right yeah to get into that last part yeah which is like which is the most important part but if your mind's not connected to those first seven reps you're still not going to get there you'll have kind of wasted your time with some of those other reps yeah yeah yeah so it's it's uh it is a it's a very like we do the same thing we're professionals that are repping things like we just do it over and over and over and over again and then to be able to go like then to be able to go through sets, it's uncomfortable.

I have this little joke. I have a little character that says muscle masochist. Because that's what we are. We're going in to inflict pain on us consciously because it's uncomfortable. And then you have to fight against your body sending off proper signals. It's like, hey, we're not safe. It's like, we're safe. We're just doing bench press.

Chill out. But you have to be able to tell yourself that and not be like, you know, cause if you don't understand your body building a sense of like, you're not going to like, you're not in danger, your body sending off like uncomfortable cues as it should, but you constantly know that you're in this machine and you're going to get reps out. So like get the reps out properly and go through all the emotions that you're

going to go through by yourself in your head, you know? And if you don't, if, and if you don't go through that, you really don't know what it's like. And that's what, you know, I coach and I have athletes, I call them my clients athletes, but I try to get them to learn that. And to understand like, you know, you, this is not just like lifting weights up and down. This is, this is being able to control all the emotions that are going to stop you from excelling. Because you have this like fear barrier of whatever. Maybe it's a depth going too low or it's, you know, adding a little more weight or whatever. There's always these fears that the reason why people aren't where they are is because there's fear that's there.

Because they're scared they're going to hurt or they're not going to be able to get back up if they squat or the leg press on it's like put the racks on if you don't get up you just put the weight down and get up you're safe right so it's i think it's something that uh you do have to kind of go through as a bodybuilder because it's because you're taking that to the extreme you're taking like training to the to the extreme and like you know people like but it was not healthy neither is football like neither is neither is, you know, people like, but it was a healthy, neither is football. Like neither is, neither is boxing. You know, neither back catchers have the worst knees out of most sports. Right.

So it's not like you're. You said back catchers. Yeah. Is this baseball? Yeah. What the, dude, I. Oh yeah. The catcher.

Okay. What's one I was thinking earlier was my dog. Well, I've never heard back catcher before. Oh, catcher. Sorry. Back. See, I'm not crazy. I could have said, yeah, back catcher. I shouldn't have said catcher. back see i'm not crazy yeah back catcher i shouldn't say catcher i think can you say i thought i was crazy we say everything you're just canadian okay we just

we you know very specific back squats too right that's back squatter to kind of to kind of go off of uh what infima was asking you as well is I heard something from Chris Bumstead where he was talking about how he loves that people are excited to go to the gym and he loves that training is therapy for people. But he also was like, that might be a little dangerous for you. Like, it's a good place to start, but there's still a lot of other work to do. He's like, so don't just sweep your emotions under the rug and be like, I'm going to the gym and I'm just going to go and be masochistic to myself. And I'm going to feel amazing when I come out of the gym, but you never actually really worked on the root cause of the problem. How did you do that for yourself? Totally. Well, cause it's, there's, it's a tool, right? They're like, it's, it's,

it's one of many tools that I have for coping, right? I'm not going to put all my eggs in this one, you know, coping tools basket because that becomes the addiction, right? So you're back to one thing that can fix it when it's like, you're not using that to fix anything, using that as a tool to practice mindfulness, right? So for me, it was like, it was the switchover is also like, I was aware that great body, you know, training is, you know, the mind muscle connection

does put me in a place of awareness and, you know, self and consciousness, whatever. But it was also knowing that my pursuit to getting to where I wanted to be, that I was going to, anytime that a trigger would happen, that's where I came with progressive overload your life.

It was like, every time that a trigger happens to you, that's an opportunity for you to practice that mindfulness because it's going to happen, right? So I knew in my head that, you know, you're going to win one out of 10, then you're going to win two out of 10, then you're going to win three out of 10. Just like when you train, you go to the gym,

you go to the gym weak, and then you get stronger, then you constantly become weak again, and then you become stronger. Then you be constantly become weak again and become stronger. So it was what opportunities do I have in my life to put me in a place where I can practice this mindfulness? So, yes, the gym was in a place of control. I'm in a control environment where I'm controlling everything. Really, you control everything there. You control how you respond. You're controlling yourself outside there.

Then there's the there's a hard practice. There's now you have to control how fast that you're going to respond to whatever stimulus is outside. Whether someone cuts you off, someone, you know, said something to you, your girl, your boy, whatever, you know, how you respond to that. Those are more opportunities for you to take what you know how to do in the gym and apply that in life because it's the same fucking thing like it's the same it's like we constantly go to the gym to be weak and to get stronger life's the same way it just doesn't tell you when it's going to put a pr on you or not it's like yeah by the way here's a pr for go through this and you're like

shit and you can't get up like ah it's terrible it's something happened it was like just completely you know devastating life doesn't give a shit, but you learn how to deal with it. All of a sudden it was like, all right, cool. Then you got through it. And I was like, cool. I know how to get through that type of situation. So next time it happens again, it's not as, it's not like it's first time he tried this PR again. I'm actually repping this thing out now. And until the next thing that happens again, the next day,

and that's just kind of life. So I took that as, you know, the gym can't be my end all be all at all. Right. Cause that's the no of life. So I took that as, you know, the gym can't be my end-all be-all at all, right? Because no days off, it's like, that's stupid because you should have days off and rest and that helps you grow, right? So, yeah, it's something that you have to not, you know, it has to be a tool, one of your tools. You know, piano is another one of my tools. You know, music, you know, snowboarding is another one of my tools. You know, my daughter is a massive tool. Not that I look at her as like,

like, yeah, Kimo, your daughter needs to... And you figure it out, sit here and say... Just that. But, you know, you know what I mean? It's just, you're finding ways to be able to manage. It's all you're doing. And not making that your answer. It's your help for you to find your answer.

If you feel like shit, you can put more time into your daughter or someone that you love, someone that's close by. Yeah. Being 40 now, you just mentioned a bunch right there. Maybe you'll repeat some, but being 40, having all this experience, what are some things that you do now that are amazing for your mental health that you're like, shit, I wish I was doing this when I was 20 and 30, but you just didn't know?

amazing for your mental health that you're like, shit, I wish I was doing this when I was 20 and 30, but you just didn't know. Um, going for alone walks. Why? It just,

if you don't, if you can't be okay with being by yourself, you're never going to be okay with being with someone else. Like never. Like, it's like, if I would have known, like, and it's funny you said that. Cause like, you know, it's, we always kind of have that, that's like, if I would have known, like, and it's funny you said that

because like, you know, we always kind of have that saying, like, if I knew what I knew now, you know, back then it's like, there's a cool, I forget the psychiatrist's name was, but he was like, the things that you could have told

your 16 year old self applies to you right now. Right? So it's like, I know for sure that I probably shouldn't drink Cap Morgans and, you know, I can, it applies to me right now. Right? So, you know, it's, it applies to me right now. Right.

So, you know, it's, you know, being like the biggest issue for me in terms of relationships was like, I wasn't okay with being by myself. You know, being okay with like being alone with yourself, alone with your thoughts, being able to like, you know, the peace and quiet of your own company is one of the, I think one of the greatest tools for you to be able to be with somebody else. Because if you don't, you're relying on them to make you happy. And then all of a sudden, like you're, that is, that's another addiction. You're addicted. And relationships are like the love, that love, like I would say stimulus is like similar, like, you know, breaking up is similar to coming off opiates. That's why you jump from a relationship that you're like, oh man, I'm out of a relationship. I'm not really going to feel it again. And you're like, next relationship.

Or you go back to the same person again and again. You can't stop. And you're like, I don't know how to get out of this thing. And when you finally do, if you actually do, you get like cold sweats. You cry. Devil pussy. Devil pussy. Where's that mug?

But yeah. So, I mean, it's, yeah,'s uh being alone 100 being alone and um working on just you like work on just like you are the priority like put yourself as like priority number one you guys can get that at powerproject.live that that was that that the the inspiration for that mug was actually a devil pussy. It was quite literally what you're describing. We got a devil dick too? What does that look like?

We're not quite sure. Do I want a drink from that? Just with me and Isaac taking a drink. You don't want that cup, eh? Double D, devil dick. We won't make that cup. Guys, you got a good idea. It's shaped like it, too.

But man, no, what you said right there about walking, like Mark's been talking about 10-minute walks for fucking ever. But, you know, it's something I do a lot these days and for the past few years. But it's something I wish I was like, I took, I just did more when I was younger because I always thought walking was a waste of time. But, yeah, when I was younger, I was like, I took, I just did more when I was younger. Cause I always thought walking was a waste of time. But yeah, when I was younger, I was like, why would I walk? Just go to the gym and lift. Walking's a waste. But you just, you, you just get so much from that time alone. I know it sounds so fucking simple and it's just like, but there's so much.

And it's just like, it's a habit now. It's a useful fucking thing. Being alone with your own thoughts and like, uh, like what are you going to think about as you go on this walk especially if you do it without any technology that's a little harder but the first time you try it just go for a few minutes

just give it a shot a couple things do you guys know that not everybody has inner dialogue I don't think I know that. What do you mean? Not all the time. My inner dialogue just said, fuck off.

There's no way. Right. So do you ever sit in a car and you're talking to yourself? Yeah. Right. Not everybody does that. That's not a normal thing. I mean, not a normal thing, but that's not an everybody thing.

But question, when you say that's not an everybody thing, you mean like some people are having no inner dialogue sometimes or just in general, they just have an inner dialogue. They're like, hey, I got to go to the store. All right, cool. Go to the store. But they're like, I got a story. You know what? And like last night, man, yesterday was, you know, there's not this like talk conversation back and forth to yourself. That is not a

everybody thing. That sounds so peaceful. Shut the fuck up! Comment down below if you have no inner dialogue yeah let me know like an inner dialogue being like you can have a conversation with yourself like I can have a conversation with myself like one of the things I had to go through therapy was like I always used to

try to like you know express how I feel I'm like I feel like I'm in a boardroom and there's a lot of noise. And like, I'm in a, I'm at the head of a desk and there's just a bunch of noise. And my therapist is like,

those are all you. So you have control of that boardroom. Those are all your thoughts. Those are always so like, there's, so there's, there's, that's how I felt.

And then some people aren't to the extent, but like, not everybody has a, there is self in their head talking to themselves, which is crazy. Another thing too, is that people don't have like the little angel on one side and the devil on the other. Dude, I definitely do. That'll definitely, that'll be the, uh,

the Spotify poll. So let us know. So go vote on that. But like when I have it, it'll be be i i it's us i i don't see like as myself or whatever so i'll talk to myself and be like yeah dude we gotta go edit this podcast now and i'm like dude don't be a like let's go yeah like that's not that's not like a everybody thing that's i did not know that wild yeah yeah yeah i coach myself up all the time it's so funny um can because someone's probably thinking it but like it's a good oreo yo someone was gonna say it eventually it is it is my mom's get it out yeah get it out there yeah we'll smush it together guys what i'm so let's take a picture oh my god i was completely lost

i was still thinking you were talking about like talking to yourself that was my that was my inner dialogue the entire time i was talking in the back and i was like yo man i wonder if this is I was still thinking you were talking about like talking to yourself. That was my, that was my inner dialogue. The entire time I was talking in the back end, I was like, yo man, I wonder if this is going to make an Oreo joke. That was, that was,

that was, that was in my head at the beginning of this entire conversation. Just saying. So now you got me thinking about Oreo cookies. I love Oreo. Let's not go down this fucking rabbit hole guys. No, don't do it. Happens almost on every show. Oreos. I love it. We're thinking about Oreo cookies. I love Oreos. Hey, let's not go down this fucking rabbit hole, guys. No, don't do it.

It happens almost on every show. Oreos? I love them. We just think about it all the time. More than anything. Oreos? What are some of your favorite junk food? You know, being a bodybuilder, I'm sure like after a lot of shows and stuff.

Oreos in a tub of half-baked. Yeah. Yeah, half-baked. Same here. Yeah, and I'll crunch up the Oreos. I'll bake Ben and Jerry's. A full thing of Oreos. I'll crunch it all up.

And then I'll heat up a little bit so I can mix it more. In the microwave. That's being fat. Because you can't wait. Have you ever tried... Both of you guys like half-baked. Andrew, are you a half-baked fan?

I'm half-baked. Tonight Dough and Netflix. Tonight Dough? Have you tried Gimme S'more? Oh, that's incredible. both of you guys like it and are you a half-baked fan i'm half-baked um uh the tonight dough and netflix tonight though okay have you tried give me s'more oh that's incredible yes have you tried give me s'more when you go back to canada or while you're here just fucking like that get some s'mores when you go back to Canada. If y'all have that over there. Y'all got some of that? You got some snow, don't you? Make him laugh.

Move the maple sheriff out of the way. Holy shit. Go back to Canada and get some. Jesus. Okay. Cool. Can we check? I tell you, I've been hanging out with this dude too much.

So, gimme s'more or whiskey biz? What? Whiskey? I'm not. is it a ben and jerry's yeah whiskey biz yeah you got you have to try whiskey biz whiskey b-i-z what is what's the what's the play on words and what is in it andrew can you pull up it's just amazing it's like risky business. Is there whiskey in it? No, there's no whiskey in it. Does this one look like pretzel? Give us a little whiskey. Here we go, here we go. What is it? It's got like a shell on top.

Brown butter bourbon ice cream with blonde brownies and whiskey caramel. Bourbon, yes. Swirls topped with white chocolate ganache and white fudge chunks. So good. I don't know what that is. It has like a crust on the top of it that you have to break into. It's heavenly. I haven't had it in a long time, but it's so good, dog. Whiskey business, give me some more top two.

Ben & Jerry's, you're a huge fan of. Oreos. Pizza? We got some of the best pizza from where I'm from, Windsor. Really? Actually. Wow. Yeah. A lot of expected. Yeah, your boy did, you know, ranked it for credo. But yeah.

I'm a regular meat lover pizza, you know, oven, you know, what do you call it? Stone, whatever. Yeah, I got you. You know, the authentic Italians, we make the food. Right? Delicious. That's my fave. Brick oven.

Yeah, brick oven. Stone baked? Is it stone? is it stone oven stone they have like they kind of have like smaller nowadays they have like small

I've been thinking about buying one of these but I'm like I'm going to make so much pizza it's going to be ridiculous they make small ones that are like

that work great yeah I've seen it but you but you gotta it doesn't work for me because my idea won't let it happen

because you gotta like actually make the dough you can't just be going like getting some like you know pre-made dough to put in your oh man your you know one of the oven thing yeah yeah you gotta like do it and it's a lot of work i'll about all my energy to have you spinning this is fun oh i gotta eat this stuff i am not hungry anymore i just have baked Oh, I got to eat this stuff.

I'm not hungry anymore. I just have baked. Do you usually have your, like, for example, those little gummy things, I usually have those around workouts. Do you try to have your junk around workout stuff or do you just like? No, I just, I'm not, I'm not, that whole timing and stuff or training is kind of out the window. Yeah? Yeah, I don't, it's, my don't. I train early in the morning, so

you know, like I train with my client at 6 a.m. What time do you wake up? 10 to 5. Wait, what? 10 to 5? 4.50. Is that a Canadian thing? No.

What are you talking about? I'm just dumb apparently 10 to 5 what's that thing so 4.50 4.50 okay 0.450 0.400 whatever 4.50 I get up

and I train with my client 6 o'clock and then I'm home around 8 I train her husband too and then i'm home and then i eat my first meal wow that's uh let's dive into this a little bit so let me see if i got it right um you don't necessarily have nutrition set around your training session because you're consistent you eat enough food you get all your other requirements, and the carbohydrates that you ate the night before, they're still floating around the system when you go and do your morning workout.

Of course, yeah. And then post-workout. See, I think people miss this. Everything that you eat is pre-workout and post-workout. Yeah. Because we work out all the time. Yeah. And so any meal that you have,

if you eat a meal after a workout, that might be your pre-workout meal because it might not be until the next time you train that you eat and so on. But you do a little bit of intermittent fasting, it sounds like? So not intermittent fasting.

I call it bastardized intermittent fasting. I make sure that I get my protein meals in me throughout the day. So you want at least three to five protein meals. I make sure the first meal I eat is protein fat heavy. And I learned this is from bodybuilding. So I used to eat at, it was eight, 11, two, four, six, eight. And those are my meals. And then as I, you know, kind of like gravitated away from it, whenever I would try to like, you know, make it easier for me to eat, I would push off meals to make it easier for me to, you know, to, you know, diet.

So for me, like my appetite really wasn't that crazy in the morning until like maybe like the afternoon. So I would make sure i have like a protein high protein fat meal that would keep me satiated and you know keep me you know going until like i would get hungry again around like two o'clock in the afternoon so i always made sure i had you know protein there again like and the same thing is like you're it's not like at 12 o'clock you're set at zero zero calories 12 o'clock right good word Good for a reset. It's accumulation, right? So I do, like when I, my last meal at nighttime will probably be, could be 8, could be 8.30. If I'm having Oreos, maybe like, like when I wake up and then, you know,

the guts is not feeling this too bright in the morning, but I have, you know, I'm well aware that like I have enough fuel in me on a day-to-day basis that there's, it's not necessarily for me to wake up and eat. Now I will sometimes have like, maybe like fruit or something like that. Um, if I've,

you know, haven't eaten that much prior the night before and I get up like feeling like, you know, I'm, you know, you get those hunger cues. Like when I get up and I, my hunger cues are where they should be now.

Yeah. So not like, I'm like back when I was a bodybuilder there're i mean i sound like i wasn't long ago but they've they've i spent the last i would say three years you know having my my hormones everything pretty much like you know at baseline when my when i'm hungry i'm actually hungry yeah it's not like i'm hungry it's like no i've been doing something I'm hungry. So if I wake up in the morning and I'm like, like ravaged and I'll have like, you know, fruit,

um, uh, or like small carb before I go work out and with a pre-workout, whatever, then do that. But yeah, so I, I eat like,

I kind of, I kind of bastardize intermittent fasting in a way where I just like, kind of eat like a bird and the bird stuff I eat is the priority that I need. So it's like protein, fat, and then my hunger. What's an example of that? Um, so like I'll have like a shake. So like, uh, if that I need. So it's like protein, fat, and then my hunger. What's an example of that?

So like I have like a shake. So like if it's a shake, easy shake, it will be like two scoops of protein. And then I'll have like, you know, two tablespoons of almond butter, right? And then I'll have that in like almond milk. And then, you know, that's about it, right? If it's, you know, whole food, it'll be like eggs and cheese,

like whole eggs and cheese, whether scrambled or, you know, cooked over easy or whatever. And those are my go-tos. Or I'll have like a steak, a fatty steak, you know, and then I'll make sure I have like, you know, my omegas and whatnot. But those are my go-tos. My hunger's not really up at all in the morning anyway. So I pick things that I know that I can eat if I'm not hungry and that I like a lot that I crave anyway when I'm not hungry. Any thought about the protein and fats or is that just what you do? It's the protein. It's the, the, I prioritize protein and fats because I know that's what my body needs most. And if I want to, like when it comes to like, you know, in post-workout, you know, I might have a little bit of carbs in there and whatnot, but when it comes down to it, I'm getting the rest

of my carbs and stuff throughout the day, like small amounts. And I put the rest of them in there, but my priority is if I'm eating more protein and fat, um, I'm not as hungry, right? So it's more satiating. So if I, I find like all like almost almost like every single time, if I have any kind of carbs with my first meal, I'm hungry for carbs. Like I'm hungry again and I know I've already eaten enough. When I don't, when my carbs are small. So, like it's almost like a mix of intermittent fasting, keto, and I don't know, you know, and that's the point I make too is like, diets don't have to be exactly what they say they are. They can be, you can adjust them to what you need for you.

So like, it's a, you know, keto is like, you shouldn't eat more than 50 grams of carbs, right? Well, I don't eat more than I would say, you know, 20 grams or 30 grams in a meal, right? So my carb will be like very small. And my, so my, my, my, we're doing a balanced plate eating. It would like protein would be like the size of my hand. My fat will be like, you you know a good amount of fat would be like your thumb whatever and then my carbs if they're like anything fruit wise they'll be like probably size of my palm or if it's like

a grain carb it'll be even smaller right so i i kind of and then as my day goes in that carb kind of gets bigger yeah as it as my day goes so the time my kid gets home from school, I'm kind of having like, you know, I'm eating between 4 o'clock and 8 o'clock. And I'm eating a good enough amount of food. And that feels good. Like that feels good for me because like I'm done with my day. Yeah. And it's like, all right, now I get to just like relax.

I can eat. It doesn't matter if I feel full and all those kinds of things. Yeah, yeah. And it's easy to sleep too like you're kind of like you know you're full and you get the itis can you say that itis yeah yeah you know you boondocks right yeah yeah you all know the itis i don't know i don't know yeah okay absolutely food coma mark oh it's a food coma gotcha the itis what's going on over there oh man just enjoying the conversation but how about um

so kind of i wanted to go back to the youtube stuff yeah what's some of your favorite content to like create because i mean your youtube channel is amazing and you have tons of subscribers now um yeah looking back like what do you get hyped up to do still these days none of it YouTube channel is amazing and you have tons of subscribers now. Yeah. Looking back, like what, what do you get hyped up to do still these days? None of it. So, no,

I, I, I like doing like tutorial. I love doing tutorial videos. It's for me, it's a, it's a way that I get to continue to coach, you know,

post pandemic, right? Like there's, everything's online. Most people are, you know, going into gyms's everything's online most people are you know going to gyms like my time in the gym is like especially commercial gyms you're never gonna get your value so i let's also say your form detail is amazing like people need to go check out your videos and check out the different ways even when you were working out with kenny and mark

the yeah it sucked the adjustments you're making like you're very very precise and it's really dope people need to go check it out it's a it, I trained, like before pre-pandemic, I was 40 hour plus a week of people, right? So, and I loved, I love like coaching people. I've been coaching since I was young. So it's my way of being able to still do that is creating content like that. So I like doing like, you know, five top five mistakes or whatever,

anything where somebody can kind of like apply it to their life and do it as easy as they possibly can. Like in dumbing it down and understand, like that's the thing is like, I've trained so many different types of people and what I know is I've trained, I have doctors that I'm training. I have surgeons that I'm training and I have, I have the, you know, the,

the pipe fitter and the doctors and all like, and everything in between and the kids and they all have no clue what the hell they're talking about. Right. And they're not supposed to, right. Cause no, like no one's,

no one's teaching you any type of biomechanics at all or anything. And, you know, when you're growing up. So when people, you know, when're growing up so when people you know when i'm coaching someone it's like how do i get this person to understand how to do a squat and then i'll get another person it's like i gotta find a way to get this person how to do a squat and based on the person's personality their you know uh their coachability i'm finding these like

natural cues that's why that's where i get you, most of my cues from is, and I'm online coaching. Like I have my athletes post videos for their workouts. I make the workouts, they post a video and I coach them up on their videos. So it's a way I can continue to, you know, find ways to reach somebody through the screen so they can apply it to themselves, right? So yeah, I love doing that kind of content.

What I'd love to do is like, and I just, I want to do more creative creative stuff like you know i love i like doing skits i like doing like you know like my you know we have a good creative team my brother is a you know a screen writer producer so like there's a lot of stuff that we want to do like communist kids it's like you kind of you can you can't sometimes you can and like you know you put out and i put a couple funny ones out and i'm like this will be this will be good and it's like and you're like oh you did pretty good and i'm like ah so you know just i wish i could do more of that which i will eventually for sure but yeah yeah do you get caught up in like um like the analytics of youtube like do you get lost in like oh we got to optimize

x y and z or or that's why that video didn't do good because we missed out on the tags and all this other shit or do you just go in and you want to just create what you create i so we have like when i say we like i have a fault of a small team of four or five um two editors and my brother he does the sound he's a sound engineer so everything at the end of videos we make sure we have music and sound so we have a good system in terms of

understanding we have our evergreen content that we have to go and then there's the content we have to put out if we want the channel to actually grow so I don't get caught up in the analytics more so than I know that those are like variables that I need for measurable variables to, you know, so we can like make this video better by, you know, how can I make the retention better? You know, taking the analytics from other videos that did well and trying to recreate

that again. Cause like in the end, you want to grow your channel. Like no one's on here not to grow the channel. It's just as you know, there's, there's, I don't think anyone's really on this to not grow their channel. So I don't get caught up in the analytics more. So I, I, I got a healthy relationship with analytics. That's good. Like it's, it's all it is, is just that is there are measurables of how we can, you know,

you're when you train you might you know log your training that's how you get better you know you know how much lift the next day or next week whatever same thing with this well uh we're just real quick congrats on having a team um you are you have a big channel but people see youtube you know outsiders it's like oh it's a free thing it's like yeah but we put a lot of into these youtube videos right, it's a free thing. It's like, yeah, but we put a lot of shit into these YouTube videos, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's free to consume. It costs a shit ton if you're taking it this serious.

Yeah. I would love to ask you about what you said. You said you have your evergreen videos and then you have the videos that are going to grow the channel. Yeah. Can you just, if possible, briefly explain the difference between the two? So evergreen stuff is like your stay power. power you know somebody go back to this video and learn from it and they can re-watch it

over and over and over and over again your gross stuff is like i would say like you're there's some drama to it right there is a very current event that just happened you know um uh yeah vince mcmahon um john bravo's video on Vince McMahon, right? That thing's hot, right? Pick it. It'll be a good video. How can you make a spin and to make it fit your channel?

You kind of use those kinds of videos to help grow your channel more, get more, you know, reach. But for the most part, like the evergreen stuff is a state power that I focus on. Mostly my channel is like, I am a coach.

I want to use my channel to coach, but I need to be smart about, you know, growing it too. So, you know, we block shoot. And then if there's a current thing that's popping up that we need to respond to, we're going to respond to it. I'm curious about this, man, because I saw a video from you a while ago and you were kind of talking about young guys on PEDs. And obviously nowadays you got guys, 19 peptides arms all this all this shit right and it's if if anybody can do what they want to do but it just seems pretty odd how popular that shit is and how many young people are doing it right now so what are some of your

thoughts on just the prevalence of it these days? You know, it's funny. I think it's been like that forever. Just like anything else, it just, now you have cameras and now it's cool. Okay. I remember I was a hater. I was a steroid-using hater. Like, I cannot stay.

I'm usually a steroid, you know, cheater, whatever. And there was, like, you know know there's guys I knew in high school that were like obviously on steroids they look massive whatever so it's always been around it just hasn't been glorified glamorized right now it's being glamorized yeah right it's it's a it's a way that you know like

I don't want to take shit away from my man Sam because I think he's fucking great I do I think he's I think he's awesome I think he's doing whatever I hope he stays the way he is. Yeah. But you take away steroids. Exactly. He'd probably be sizable

because he's done athletics, but he wouldn't be as big as he is now. No, he wouldn't at all. Look at his brother. Here's my point. The reason why he got the way he is is because he's been through these extreme transformations that are exacerbated he probably could

make the same type of change but it'll take longer oh yeah right so he's not so him being able to do these like and that's like even for growth for like you know bodybuilders and when they're in there you know you do your best in growth when you're in a prep because everyone wants to watch you do your prep, right? It's just more content. It's easy.

So he's able to do these like summer cut, winter cut, winter bulk, summer cut, whatever, up and down. And you see these drastic changes that are made possible because he's enhanced. Yeah. He'd take that away. It doesn't take away from who he is. We still worked hard, but it's not as a, it's not as like, as in your face and flash or like captivating as someone just naturally growing and going down now we we won't know but like when it comes down to it's like you're getting rewarded for you know if the the better you look the faster better you look especially as being young the more you get rewarded for you getting more subscribers

more followers it's more deals opportunities yeah right so yeah it's i think that's the biggest difference it's like it's just being glorified and and just it's being publicized we have in our back to me right yeah and people are getting places with it and then you're seeing like a lot of celebrities and things like that i mean uh arnold and hulk hogan and just any of these people even from a long time ago yeah yeah um you know making careers myself i'll throw myself in there and so you see people and Hulk Hogan, and just any of these people, even from a long time ago. Making careers myself, I'll throw myself in there. And so you see people doing it, and you're like, well, that guy seems fine.

And that guy seems successful. Maybe I'll take some stuff and just get a little bigger, like see what happens. So I think that that might be the bigger issue is maybe the influence. Yeah. And everyone will do whatever the hell they want to do regardless, but there's always going to be some motivation that's there. And then, you know, when you're kind of getting some of your,

you're hanging the success, you know, possible potential success in their face, it's like, maybe I'll get on a little bit just so I can speed up the process of, so I can look better in the shirt and get a sponsorship. So it's, yeah, it's yeah, that's where it's at. What was your journey with PEDs? Because now you're totally off everything, and you're still 220 and huge.

And usually when people come off of stuff, they shrink to oblivion. So what was your journey with PEDs, and how are things now being off of everything? And when we say off of everything, it's not like you are just on TRT. Everything, everything. Shooter blowerower shut up man everything like um so i so starting starting um i started when i started bodybuilding okay it was like when i when i do anything i get i get all into it so if i'm i'm i do competitive archery i got you know i got the bow everything

i did lessons the works right everything so i was like how do i do competitive archery i got you know i got the bow everything i did lessons the works right everything so i was like how do i do this sport you know how is this done yeah yeah so i got into it i couldn't afford anything so it was like one compound and it was like two in the built up and but my approach to it was very when i started bodybuilding i asked questions a lot and that's what the biggest thing advice how old are you by the way i was 28 28 oh shit yeah so i was a late you know late steroid user um but i was always asking about other bodybuilders like hey if you could give me advice what would it be i remember ron love on the way to olympia was like all you need is a lot of hard work and a little bit of that and i'm like i know what you're talking

about right so i took the minimalist approach number one i couldn't afford in the first place anyway but yeah as you know i i moved up the ranks and people started you know offering more and whatnot to have more opportunities to get you know pharmaceutical or whatever um i still was like scared of it i was still very very scared of what i was doing i i i always say what i respected the drug and i knew that drug can f me up. Funny how I embedded myself out there. It's weird. So, and then like, you know, I think crazy.

Yeah. So, so when you go through and then you get closer to your pro card, it's like, all right, what do I got to do to get my pro card? Because I'm trying to get on the pro card dose. And, you know, so it, it was you know, so it was a smart approach. It was a lot of learning that I've looked up. Like, I've researched the galore when I do anything.

I wasn't like, take this, sure. It was like, I know, like, my body, my first body, one of the manuals, whatever, for steroids, whatever. And then, you know, post or during the pandemic, I couldn't compete. We couldn't travel. So I was like, well, what am I going to do now? So I'm like, I remember I was prepping for the Cali pro and then I was like, oh, I might as well just kind of like come off.

And then at that time I was like prepping still. I'm like, well, I don't want to stop the prep. Cause I was already filling my prep. It was, it was called becoming leaner than Greg. You said, it was a joke we made. And it was like, you know, so I was like, you know what? I might as well finish this prep online, have a little like, you know, do it with Greg at the end of it. But I would just do like minimal. So I would cut everything down.

I was doing like 150 milligrams of tests. And I think I was still, was I doing, I was doing like 100 milligrams of mast. And that was like 2019, I think it was. And then when I was done, we did a little competition. I just kind of stayed on that. And it's like, you know, I just stayed on that little dose. And that was the first time I realized I was like, at that time too, I was also like, yo, I wish I could do this.

Go before this shit. This is... I didn't go way back into the archives. Yeah, go to like... What year? back into the archives yeah go go to like go to like what year 2019 you go back to you were 270 at your you could see it like heaviest yeah this is that's uh this is this is my yeah it's way way back that's actually that's when i used a little greg that won the side keep going down go down he going 270 heavy ass pounds that's me and Neil's trailer

Neil that point and then if you keep going down even more there you go there's pandemics happening so if you go on these grab the shoulder go up a bit go to the

the girl their back day there's two girls one coach right here fuck it's hard because I'm backwards so this one

sure it doesn't matter sorry my bad don't matter and if you just fast forward you see me in there two girls one chest

oh that video stuck in my head it's burned in every how much did you weigh here dude that was 265 that's a lot of mass and I stayed like 15% all the time

I was never more than that wow you're thick. So, yeah, you're fucking explosive, too. Damn. Jeez, man. So, yeah, it was, you know, and I was able to sustain that weight at 150 milligrams of test. And I was like, huh, I don't need much to sustain this. Yeah. Right? and I was like huh I don't need much to sustain this yeah right so that's you know then I then after a couple

years during the pandemic when we were allowed to travel like I'm gonna do I'm gonna compete again I remember I was talking to Greg and I'm like hey y'all I'm gonna do maybe it was you know I'll just you know cut my dose down and do whatever whatever for a show he's like well I'll just drop down to 12 and then you'll have to do hardly anything I was like huh

I'll do that then. So I did a whole prep on. See it in the face. Yeah, oh yeah. There's a full human being in my face. He's like, my present self is in my nose. Jesus. So it was, yeah, so I dropped down to 150.

And then when I did my last show, no, this was my second last show, I only did 150 milligrams of test and 75 milligrams of injectable windstroll. Wow. And that's all I did. And you looked amazing in that show. Like, I saw the pictures, you fucking... Yeah, so my last... Sorry, that year I was doing my last, when I did the minimal amount.

I didn't make that year. I was doing my last, when I did the minimal amount, I didn't make it, I didn't make it to, I didn't make the stage. I, I passed out walking to my car, like walking out of my house. Like I was on my way out and I just collapsed. Do you know why? Yeah.

I, so I caught a stomach virus and my, so if you go like to, if you go to one of the close, like 2020. Your blood pressure or something might have been real high or something so i caught so i caught it i thought a virus stomach virus and my body fat was like i went from so i was this and went down to like 220 like i was trying

to make 212 and i was like inside out peeled yeah and i this is i caused virus and it was like my body just had nothing to fight it. So it like put me out. I wasn't, I had like four IVs in like, in like an hour. Like it was ridiculous. Wow. So that was, that was like, that was the day that that show and I couldn't do the 212. I was like, I'm done. My kid was like, you know, I was puking and crap and kids like, everything's okay, daddy.

And I was like, what the fuck are you doing? So that was, yeah. And then I just came off October 2022-ish or one. So it was 22, 21. It was two years. I came off the cold turkey. Yeah. I'm done.

I was like, that's it. Wow. Yeah. You have any plans on going back? Nope. Nope. You know, did any type of PEDs, did it mess with you at all? Yeah.

How? Like, what happened? If, if I wasn't going through, if I wasn't actively in therapy. Yeah. During my, cause I got, I got into therapy, like I was, I started therapy in 2014. I was my second, going, I was into my second year of bodybuilding. Okay. And I went to therapy because I was like, when I thought I had everything figured out,

you know, bodybuilding is really lonely and very quiet. So I'm sitting there like, you know, feeling depressed, you know, very, very, very, very, very low. And then, you know, I was, you know, I need help, but I'll just get help. So I am seeing a therapist in 2014. If I didn't have a therapist in 2014, this entire, that I would have had a disastrous like career because I just, I was aware of what my body was going through. So like I knew how my body felt when I took trend. I knew what felt when I took halo. I knew exactly.

I know exactly when I take this thing, letro, I knew for a fact, as soon as letro was in there, I'm, I'm on the stepper crying. I'm crying and I'm grateful. And I have this overwhelming feeling of sensation of gratitude and then anger.

You know what I mean? So I knew a lot of the stuff that I was taking was definitely affecting my mental health. It just made me have to manage it way, way, way more. Yeah. And now being off of everything, how is that for you? Because a lot of guys, when they come off, the image of what they looked like before, they're so connected to it that they can't handle being off. I think it's because I was on so little for that. Like I said, I spent the pandemic on 150 milligrams.

So when i came out cold turkey it wasn't like i was coming off of like when i was trying to prep for so it wasn't like i went from like a thousand plus milligrams to like you know nothing yeah it was a smaller decline right um or you know uh recoveries in that point um but i said this before i've like in the last i would say two, the shit that I've been through in my life would have had me spiraling out of control if I couldn't manage my mental health at all. So I would not be here a hundred percent if my mental health wasn't strong enough or healthy enough. And then I just, my dad's dementia, you know,

I found out I had a 32 year old sister. You know, people have died, murders, you know, everything that can happen in two years happened to challenge my mental health. And I've been able to navigate through that. And so my biggest question to my therapist is like, am I going to like just go off the edge one day? Because I'm really surprised at how I'm managing

a lot of what's going on, especially having a business at the same time, right? So if I was on, I, yeah, definitely would be managing it way, way, way more. What about your weenie? That shit works, man.

It was like, so for the... Like, because you're on, right? And then you come off. Like, was there some sort of like, you know? You can call it a penis,

can't we? We're going, we're going. Pee-pee. Just in case, a little pee-pee. Pee-pee. What's the deal with your cock? and wheelie. We're going to pee pee. What's the deal with your cock?

Let's talk about your hog. There it is. So the hog's still hoarding away. No, it's honestly, the first bit it was obviously wasn't I always say, when you wake up in the morning are you hard?

How's the guy in the morning? If he's up in the morning a lot, you like yo when you wake up in the morning are you hard you know how's how's the guy in the morning if he's up in the morning a lot you're good he's up in the morning making pancakes right get in your way like yeah you're right but um it was it it was a it's uh it recovered as the as time came off so like i when i got tested again i was 576 milligrams per deciliter so it was like kind of like in a pretty good range. Still like not the high range, but it was like it recovered enough. And then, you know, I was using Tonkat. Ali was in one of our supplements for Blue Star or whatnot. And, you know, I've, it's actually working.

You know what I mean? Like it's, you know, I'm horny. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then when the guy's awake, he's awake. Right. You know, I'm horny. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then when the guy's awake, he's awake. Right? You know, so.

Yeah. Talk with some Fidozio. And I mean, like, you know, you can take some Cialis too whenever you need to. But, you know, Cialis is a pretty good user. It's fun. Yeah. So you mentioned his name. So what's the deal with Greg Doucette? You guys used to live together.

You used to be really close friends. We are, well, everyone knows we're no longer friends. I already can see it. You didn't have to say anything about him. You could have said pre-talk, you don't want to talk about. But then it's like, then we're not being authentic. And then that's the question I was going to ask anyway. So like I said before, I'm going to be completely honest

and not going to stretch anything or putting it forward. We're not friends. So like I said before, I'm going to be completely honest and not going to stretch anything or put anything forward. We're not friends. Unfortunately, there was a point in both of our journeys where I believed that he was taking his brand. And I said this to him. I was like, our brands don't mix. Our brands are colliding.

And I backed away from his brand, sent him an email, whatever. I thought we were cool. Um, and then, you know, I did a video, whatever, no one knows that. And then it just was, after that was like, he believes that I, I betrayed him. You know, I used all these things, you know, uh, and then, then that's it. Like, and I've reached out before, but everyone knows I've reached out and said, you know, I've tried to, you know know make amends or whatever it was right it'd be the bigger man or whatever and i just wasn't receptive to it whatsoever so it's it's you know unfortunate but uh it's it didn't be honest like it was a we were really really good friends it wasn't like we're like uh when people talk about him and stuff like you know it's, it's, I, I, I, it comes from a place of like, of love.

Like I, I told a man to his face, I love you. You're my brother. We've been through some shit together. You know, we've, we've, you know, we've had some ups and downs and went through shit together. So for me, it's not like a, yeah, we're just YouTube friends. It was like, no, I lost a, an actual friend. But through that, you know, through that, I learned that it's like, you gotta know, you know, what a, I have really good friends and the situation that I've been through that we and

Greg went through, my really good friends are like, like, that's not, that's not deemable to end a friendship type thing. Right. So like when you look at it, like a really good friend, like, you know, you have really good friends, you have the best friend that you can confide in. You can trust. How our friendship ended isn't on the checkoff box. If you did this thing, we're no longer friends. For me, it's like we'd have to go through, even on the flip side of it was me,

but we'd have to go through a lot for us to not be actual friends anymore so it was unfortunate that was like that it was that that that led to us not being friends to me i'm like i don't think it's even that big of a deal for us that was something that was 100 work you could we could have worked through it by just having a man-to-man conversation can i ask you what it was that's something you want to keep it if you got to keep it private people i'm private. I'm just kidding. No, we're talking about being authentic and, you know, being your true authentic self and, you know, being transparent and being vulnerable and being completely 100% honest. I did a, so I think it was a couple of things. When I pulled away from this company, I wrote him an email.

At that same time, I, so in hindsight, in this conversation we had, in hindsight, I went, when we could travel again, I, a blue star, a blue star, a worthy conversation we had, in hindsight, when we could travel again, a blue star or a buddy of mine, Dave Whalen messaged me. He's like, hey, we want to do a video with Rob Riches. And I'm like, cool. And I'm like, you understand that I'm

with HTLT Supplements. He's like, yeah, yeah, we just like your content and we want you to do a video with Rob. I'm like, sure. He's like, we'll fly you out. Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, perfect. So I went out and did whatever. And we did a collaboration.

It fully wasn't a Blue Star thing at all. I got back and then I was already in the midst of like, hey, we're no longer, like I no longer want to work with HLT anymore. The stuff he was putting out at the time, it was a little more political than I needed. Like I wasn't trying to go down that road of any of those things. So when I backed out and it seemed like we were cool. Like it was like, hey, no problem. Like we were hanging out.

We went on a sober trip together. It was all gravy. And then one video that he put out, I put out, it was after he did a video on Remington James that I was like, I believe I was like, yo, that's like, I'm like, that's a reach like you. Was it the cookbook shit? Yeah. No, it was the Anabar.

So, yeah. So he put out it. He put out Anabar. No, sorry. Anabutter. Anabutter. It was Anabutter and Remington did a, you know, promoted his channel to make his product look super dope, whatever. And then Greg did a video that was basically like,

that painted him to like, he's deceiving you. Like, this is not better than peanut butter. This is actually not, if you look at the calories, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then so I, so I, and I, then the narrative, the way he did it to me, it was like, I was like, dude, like, like I don't even like at that time, I didn't mean to write anything. I was just like, yo, like that's a reach. Like it's, that's not like, that was the first video that i was that i've

actually said i'm like that was not in good taste you know and then because i knew the relationship as well too i knew that he like remington would like confide in this guy for x y and z you know helped him out like when remington um put his ebook out he got greg to look at his ebook to say like, Hey, is there anything in there? It looks like I'm stealing something from you. Right. So like Remington had some respect from it.

I knew that. So when he did the video on, I was like, I'm like, Greg, dude, like, I'm like,

that's not a good move. So then, you know, and we talked that night, like when I, after the video, we talked and there's, you know,

I was like, you know, I told him how I felt about the video and he said how he felt. I'm not going to say what he said on his, you know, cause it's private, whatever. But then I told him like, I'm doing a video. And, um, I told him I was going to do a video. He was like, yeah, sure. Do a video. And I sent the video to our friends to be like, you know, the video was basically, um, you know, like if you're going to review people's stuff, don't create narratives, don't create narratives, like review shit. Cool. Say it's, say it's good, say it's bad,

whatever it is. Don't insinuate storylines. don't insinuate that this person is trying to deceive because i know what happens because what happens is his team of army of people go over to their channels they do the meeting they go over there and they send a bunch of mean messages a bunch of stuff they'll go on there they'll go on to the you know your reviews and they'll put zero ratings they'll go on your dms and say the grimy shit. It's an army. It is. It is an army. It's that kind of backlash.

So I was like, so I, I put a video out and I was like, you know, um, don't create narratives, blah, blah,

blah. And I, and I had like names of certain guys. Like it was, you know, more plates, more dates. Um,

Sean, um, was in there a couple other guys. Um, and Greg and I mentioned that for like, I was like maybe like 30 to 30 seconds to a minute. And it was light, like super fucking fucking light it was actually pretty funny and that video is like he he made it out to be that was a video that like um you know I betrayed him I used him all this the this and that that and the other and I sent the video to our other friend to like make sure

okay am I being hypocrite because I don't want to put a video that looks like I'm, you know, do I do that? Do I create errors or whatever? So they were like, yes, that video is cool. Like our closest friends. And then when he put it out, they were surprised. Like, yo, that's, I don't know why he's actually that mad about it. And that's literally hindsight. I believe that my one of my best friends was like, I think he's actually mad at you because you pulled away from business.

And he's like, I think this was just the start of Brother Camel's back. And it was that. And from then on, it was like, literally, it was like, that's it. And I've literally tried to reach out. People are like, let him be. It's like, look, dude, he was at my wedding. He was in my wedding. He was in my wedding.

He was one of the first people to see my kid born. You know, like he was, you know, we in my wedding he was one of the first people to see my kid born you know like he was you guys were good friends we were fucking great friends this is weird we hung out a couple times type thing I did house arrest with the motherfucker I live with him

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boy everyone's your brother everyone's your friend it's like understand what that actually is and what that actually means and what that comes with right so it's like if you're gonna call someone your friend can you trust them with your girl can you trust them with your money can you trust them with your kid can you trust like like a shit hits the fan are they gonna be in there swinging with you yeah could they pick like your girlfriend up from the airport or something and not be like yeah you gotta worry about it exactly right you know what i mean so it's like you know just like just understand and then and then having like your own you know non-negotiables as you know with with people like here's how you want to be treated and if you don't treat me that way then we're not friends like it's how you want to be treated. And if you don't treat me that way, then we're not friends. Like it's a two way street for me.

It's a two way street. It's reciprocal. Like there is no unconditional love. Unfortunately, if I have a kid, yes, there is, but to each other,

it's a very conditional like, and it's fun because as long as you're, if you're playing the right way, like we, we should have a give and take, like there has to be a give and take with any relationship for be worth anything. If it's too one side, it's like, like well it's that's when shit happens and if you

don't talk about it then you have all sit down the road you're like oh when do I we're no longer friends like well look back and how many times you've done way more than the other person so yeah that's my takeaway like BC just take your time like hire slowly like get friends like hire them you know how you know I mean it's a tree like business like like take your time. Hire slowly. Like, get friends. Like, hire them. You know what I mean? It's actually like business. Like, take your time, you know, putting somebody on. It takes time to learn about somebody.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think there's a natural transition here. What are your thoughts on Natty or Notts? Because I've seen you make a video on those before, right?

What are your thoughts on the concept and those videos in general? What do you think? I think they're useless. Useless? And people are like, I'm using some harsh language here. It's direct. I need to know if I can achieve this. It's like, no, you can't.

What makes the natty or nots dumb? Number one is a natty person and a not person. A not. A not. A not person is an enhanced version of the natty person. The natty person is a genetically gifted freak. So if you think that you're going to achieve the genetically gifted natty or not, or natty your person's look, you're sadly mistaken. The majority of people who watch

YouTube sit into the majority of the world. They're not those two standard deviations to the right or left. They are the genetic freaks. So the people who are enhanced are enhanced natty people. So you take away the steroids if you're like i only want to know what i can you can't achieve you you're natural you for all the people out there they're not gonna be able to achieve what you what you are they can do the best they can and draw inspiration from it but saying like i want to know what i can achieve based on what you can achieve as a natural is the most backwards fucking thinking I've ever.

It's, it's limited thinking is giving yourself a way out. So as soon as your natural fucking bodybuilder says, Oh, oops, that was the blue, the fucking, the bulls balls was actually not,

was doing it. Oh, now I can't get a six pack because liver King lied. It's like, are you fucking kidding me? Like that shit bugs it. And I get it. And to be honest, I feel like most people who really, truly care about nightingale knots don't go to the fucking gym.

Well, imagine doing this. Imagine outing people that are wealthy that grew up with some wealth. Like, oh, you just totally discredit the whole thing. Like, well, he grew up, you know, he was a little ahead. So, you know, what he has now doesn't count. like that doesn't really that's not helpful i don't think no not at all but and then then on the other because i'm but i took criminology university so i i love that whole part of things so it's fun um you're dry snitching like in case snitching dry snitching is basically like not snitching but but snitching. It's not like, hey, you're on steroids.

Number one in Canada, it's legal. It's legal to take. It's legal to own. Oh, it's legal? I thought it was illegal. It's legal to use, legal to own, legal to buy, illegal to sell. So it's a class five.

It's a really weird, it's a gray area there, right? But it's a class five controlled substance in Canada. Where here it's a class 5, it's a really weird, it's a gray area there, right? But it's a class 5 controlled substance in Canada. Where here it's like 2, right? So there's some repercussions you get here if someone's like, hey man, I think that I'm 99%

right all the time, but I don't really I can't say I can speculate, but for these reasons, I would think that he's on steroids, but it's like... There's a 1% chance he isn't, and that's unlikely but for these reasons, you know, I would think that he's on steroids, but it's like. There's a 1% chance he isn't. That's unlikely. By the way, he's in this country where it's illegal. So if this guy's like, you know what, man, my bad. I am on steroids.

He's going to jail. Like, so like for me, it's like, number one, doing an outie or not itself. It's like you're putting first of all it's speculation it's not 100% but the thing is it's perceived as truth the problem with it is like it's speculation everyone can say it's speculation

but the words of certain individuals will make it be truth to the people that are consuming that that's why I'd like what's his name you what's his name phil heath was like he's like you want to see my blood work pay me i was like i love that because like i'm not gonna have a way to get you blood work for what so you can be like oh his levels are actually good so he's probably taking the other that's whoever made up like and clone was in clomiphene or what's it that's a new one I don't even know what the fuck

to even get in clomiphene like what is in clomiphene or not clomiphene it was what is the other one it's a there's a steroid that Greg talks about all the time and people talk about it it's like one you can hardly trace and it's like I don't know he's like it's because it actually actually eked me because I was like yeah I think there's clomiphene

and I think there's like e-clomiphene or something but I don't know it's it's it's an enhanced it's a and it's an enhancement whatever but i'm like i have no clue like and i know where to get i know where to get wherever like i have no clue who the hell would even get this so it's like there's no way out like it's like oh here's my work i'm actually natural it's like well you didn't give it to me in time you cycled off okay cool yeah exactly where it's like oh but you're taking some of this untraceable it's like there's no way out and then there's a there is a culture that's been created that has this like i have a reason to not train as hard as i possibly can because i know that alex eubank took a steroid or whatever you know like it's like

really like alex eubank is your gatekeeper to your gains? Yeah. Right? So, like, that whole, like, I just wanted to rant there. It went hard in the pain. I just, I can't stand it. I understand, because I have to be a critical thinker, and I have to put myself in other people's shoes. I understand why someone would think that knowing what someone does naturally can i get i get that thought process but when you break it down and you talk to like you say it out loud to yourself and you're like hey okay if if alex

eubank isn't natural i can't get a six-pack that's one of the things I come with here beside to do. Like if you have like, you know, thoughts that are, don't make any sense. Say them out loud in a funny voice. Right. And you're like, you know, like, oh yeah, you're going to, you're all of a sudden going to be portable. Of course. Actually that's a great fucking tackle. So like, you know, say it aloud.

It's like, it's like, it's like, that doesn't make any sense. Like what you do is only based on what you can do as an individual. Your job for, your goal isn't to look like somebody. It's to draw inspiration to train as hard as you can. I was never going to be as good as Barry Sanders as a running back. But it wasn't like, oh, man, like, since he, I don't know. I don't even know how I can spin that. But either way, it's like, but I trained.

I loved the way he trained. You know, I, I got into dance because I knew he did some ballet, but you know what I mean? Like I, I took, I drew inspiration to give me motivation to train harder or whatever. Like, that's what you should be doing. And the problem is with this Natty Knot shit is that now that instead of just being like, hey, I like the way that guy trains and he trains hard and he's doing this every single day or she's doing this thing every day. They're disciplined, whatever.

Now it's like they're disciplined because steroids allows you to be disciplined and allows you to do these things. Like you can go harder and longer. Like you can't do this. It's like we've just created another culture of like it's a soft culture. If you care about what dude does because he has steroids, you're soft. I'm sorry. I do think that there's an element of, you element of they're exposing like a lie, right? And you need that, 100%.

But I don't – yeah, I personally don't like a lot of it because it's so hard to prove whether the person is lying or not. And for me to accuse someone of being a liar just – I feel like I'm dragging myself through the mud. Yeah. And I don't like to be involved in any of that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. I think that's the thing. If they're not, you know, coming out and saying it, you know, like, unfortunately, like, that's how it is. Like, it's like,

if they don't say it, you can't say that they did or not. Unless they get caught, unless they're liver-kinged up, like, hey, I fucked up, right? Unless they do that, it's speculation, right? But I do like like goob for John Dorsey goob you too goob you right

I like what I like about that is is that it's it's proof it's like this is proof you are you are you are rightfully deceiving people he takes examples of people in the fitness industry of photos that they have

and they're doctoring them up. Yeah. He knows that. And this, he's, he's doing before and after. Dude is good, you know,

but, but like that, that is like, I understand that because it is, there is a, when it comes to mental health, right. That's a big thing for me is,

yeah, there's a, there's a lot of, you know, um, misguided people out there and misguided based on, like, what they believe is achievable. Right? They're, you know, especially women.

I got a little girl. It's like, you know, and she's already like, dude, it's like there's no way around him. Like, as a dad, I'm just like, what the hell? I tried avoiding all this shit and she's already looking in the fucking mirror. And it could be me, daddy, posing, whatever. You know, whatever. the fucking mirror and like and it could be just me daddy posing whatever you know whatever but she's already conscious of what she looks like because it doesn't i can't buy it i can't buy a normal doll i can't buy a doll that has a normal sized waist you know what i mean and looks like it you know just isn't on their tippy toes you know i'm saying like so i i like that there is

an element there that you know let's expose people that are lying about what they can achieve right if you're if you're doctoring your photos saying i achieved this but because i worked really hard meanwhile your your barbell's bent fucking into a c it's like yeah it's like yeah people need to know like this woman can't actually look the way she looks yeah but the guy who took steroids or didn't take steroids and is in videos girl or guy Not here not looks the way they do because he actually worked hard for what they did steroids or not, right so it's like I see that you know expose those people but to Dry snitch and to accuse people. It's like you're bringing up something super interesting because I almost wonder if women care

Do you think women care like does a woman care if they you know the girl has like a butt lift or something or no i don't think i kind of think that women might be more inclined to say where'd you get the surgery from so so maybe if they're being deceived maybe they would be pissed funny thing funny thing is is this um there's a company this uh local company company local like health clinic whatever that started doing butt injections you know like what is it Botox or what is that yeah yeah Botox

something like lip filler or whatever oh that whole thing so like and I look at the comments and like oh my god thanks god send all these you know I'm just like why don't you just go to the gym and where she's injecting the shit doesn't look like a butt in the first place so like it's like can we figure this out like but like when it

comes to women and that's the thing too is like i find that it's it's harder for them because it's just it's like it's made so normal like it's it's pushing their face like you gotta look at like look at the kardashians like you know how small and they and that's been that's been happening forever like corsets sticking in your waist from like the 1800s for f sakes it's like there's been it's been hard for women out there right for sure so i i think it's almost like you know it's not like you know i i wouldn't i would just laugh and be like they're probably like where'd i get that adobe at how do you use that it's just i'm trying i'm tired of working out it might as well just doctor these pictures real quick.

I don't think they care as much as men do. I think they just want – I think women are inspired more than men are just jealous. Right? Yeah. It comes in a different way, I feel. Right? Uh-huh. You know, it is tough, because like i i distinctly remember like

when i was like 14 15 um and my fitspirations were like greg plitt and then there's kane sumabot you remember kane kane's like he had an amazing physique he still does he's older and still he still does but if it was the same environment and like i somehow found out that like i don't being young if i was like greg blitt was on testosterone and when i was like 16 i'd be like damn because like i really wanted to look like greg blitt at that time i was like he has a great physique that would have like kind of made me pissed and it would made it would have made me maybe want to make a decision to do something like that before really maturing.

But that stuff wasn't on YouTube like that. You know what I mean? So that's why it's like it is, I do find it harder because guys are young. You know, as you get older, you kind of become more mature about this shit. And you're just like, just train, just fucking train. But when you're young, you want everything fucking fast.

And if you feel like someone's deceived you, it's harder on a young mind, I think. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's weird. And you can also, like, create that as well. Like, you can create, like, I don't think, I don't, I don't remember who the, who's the first, like, Natty or Not type person, but, like, there's been, I think it was, like,

Blaha. Michael Trent? Oh. Blaha was, like, he Trent oh blah blah Jason Blaha yeah I think he was the not type guys yeah right he was saying everyone and it wasn't like yeah but it wasn't like no one was like

I don't really care like it wasn't it became more and more when it got you know mainstreamed in the industry yeah where it's like it's a necessity like I need to know it's, you know, mainstreamed in the industry. Yeah. Where it's like it's a necessity like I need to know. It's like, don't. Yeah.

Really don't. What I hate about it, and I forgot to mention this earlier, is like if we're going to start getting into morals, you know what I mean? Like who in the fuck are you? Right? Like who is this person that's claiming that this other person is lying and and they're so adamant about it and for what what's it for it's for some youtube views i mean it just seems so you have not seen the cast the first stone yeah right like i'm just you know it's mark 100 like like you how you have the audacity to, like, berate somebody for potentially lying.

Like, not even proof. Potentially. And I know damn well everyone that's watching anything is lying about something. They got a dirty secret. They did what? I don't, like, were these all higher and mighty people be like you're now a judge you're an executioner like i can't believe you i can't believe you would lie to us i didn't say anything but you it doesn't matter i can't believe the perception of you is lying you can't believe you

i've never lied by yes you have you lied today you lied 10 times today you know what i mean like give me a break i think you'd be a good actor. I do too. You see how he like got into that role right there? That was sick. I do. Yeah. Do you take acting classes? No.

Or are you just like, I mean, I'm, I'm, I do act. I am an acting, I'm an actor. That's sick,

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I'm an actor. I'm an actor. I'm an actor. I'm an actor. I'm an actor. And I have a movie and a TV show that's coming out this year. Fucking tell us about it. Oh, shit, yeah. What other shit you got going on? So, Kid vs. Alien, it's my first feature film.

I was a villain in Kids vs. Aliens. Did a lot of body acting because I was in a prosthetic. I'm an alien that's a beast and I terrorize kids and I fuck kid up at the end and shit and it's pretty dope. And then I got my first principal role. It's a lead role in a TV series called The Trades. It's a comedy series.

I don't know if you guys know Rob. Probably not. He's Canadian. Rob Wells for Trailer Park Boys. Tom Green's in it. I don't know if you guys know Tom Green green absolutely yeah so it's uh it's based on a a plant um like a like a what do you call it a refinery okay and it's like a comedy it's a dirty it's a dope cause hilarious actually it's a comedy about like the trades so you have like tradesmen and tradeswomen and there's you know there and the plot's pretty funny. I play a security guard.

I'm the head security of this entire shit show plant. So I'm like the moral compass in this TV. It's pretty funny. Jack's security guard always gets fucked up. Did you get your ass kicked? Yeah, there's some really funny parts. It happens every time. Oh, yeah.

It's like the guy comes, he's all jacked and then for some reason gets like kicked in the balls i'm doing i'm doing it's yeah it was a really fun really fun uh yeah so that and then i got a couple other things coming out that i'm waiting for uh the start dates to um uh from the t i don't know if you guys are from it's a horror series it's american it's american from it's a it's a horror series. It's American. It's American? From. It's a, it's a, they're in a, from, bring it up. It's a, it's a horror series. People end up going into this village and they get stuck and they can't leave. And then at nighttime, these people, these human beings come out and if you let them in, they just devour you. Like, they just, it's pretty crazy.

Me and my girl are going to enjoy that. We love horror. Yeah. We love horror. Yeah. That's sick, dude. Like, it's pretty crazy. Me and my girl are going to enjoy that. We love horror. Yeah. We love horror. Yeah. That's sick, dude. Oh,

yeah. Okay. How'd you get into acting and stuff? Or you spent something you've been interested in a long time? So I was in high school. I wanted to get into, um, uh,

first trailer. Yeah. In high school, I wanted to, uh, I was in acting in high school and, plays and stuff. And then,

uh, I wanted to go into, um, into, into, uh, dramatic arts. Okay. That was one of the things I wanted to, I was in acting in high school and plays and stuff. And then I wanted to go into dramatic arts. Okay. That was one of the things I wanted to do. That's another story about not making it to school and shit. So it was always something I wanted to do. And then when the pandemic happened, I got a couple of commercials and I got into one show. And then one of the casting directors was like, you should just apply for some things. So I was like, you know what?

I'm going to throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. So I put myself out there and then I got an agent. Well, she was a casting director and then I got an agent after this first movie I did. And she goes out and I get roles left and right. I get casting calls and whatnot. And then I put myself tape in. That's why my pursuit to getting smaller is one thing too. rolls left and right like i get um casting uh calls and whatnot yeah and then i you know i put myself tape in that's my why my pursuit to getting smaller is one thing too because i don't want it

like you're in a frame this big and when you're traps and neck and face it's like it's nothing realistic about a jacked lawyer you know what i mean it's like you know you're sitting like yeah what's going on uh you're on it's like this doesn't work right so's why, did you see, what was the movie that Zac Efron recently? Oh, yeah, he looked crazy. The claw? The wrestling. The iron claw. The dude looked comically large compared to everybody.

But he's not. That's why a lot of times when people say, no, you're not actors and stuff, I'm like, guys, do you understand how big they're not? Like, they're not that big. Dude got shredded, though. I mean, you saw the the northman right with um scars guard yeah right so his entire movie he's just doing this and it's a dope movie you've seen it right yeah yeah absolutely absolutely like a buck 80 buck 90.

for any ladies that listen which i don't think there's any ladies that listen to the show but there's a naked fight at the end that goes on for like 15 minutes dick swinging and everything yeah listen to the show but there's a naked fight at the end that goes on for like 15 minutes Dick swinging and everything? yeah I mean you don't really see that much like that but there's a little bit of fire wars going on

but these guys are like Hemsworth isn't massive he's tall though he's tall but again you don't see full body shots the only time you see full body shots is when somebody's running. But for the most part, it's here. Right? It's like you're in this 16,

this 16 by 9 like this. Or it's a, or it's like an up angle, or it's like an action. And if you don't, like, you know, you only see the whole body unless you're actually fighting. Like that. Like, here you go. You don't see the entire thing. And Hemsworth is probably 215 or something, though? He's probably got some weight on him, right? You don't see the entire thing. Hemsworth is probably 215 or something, though.

He's probably got some weight on him, right? You don't think so? Look him up. He's probably like 100. I think he's kind of tall. He's like 6 foot. They're not like... So, big guy is Ben Affleck.

Yeah, Jack Reacher's big. Reacher's big. Alan Richman, he's big. And, Jack Reacher's big. Reacher's big. Whatever that is. Alan Richman, he's big. And, you know what's annoying, actually? Don't know if this is Dan that or not, right? So I have a video that I did a year ago. And it was him talking about his HRT.

Him admitting to be on HRT. And that up until he started HRT, he's been natural. And he's like, I've've been training for like i've been in the gym since i was like 10 years old i'm like i yes of course you could be 100 natural and look the way he did and then and he actually admits to like using you know going on there he was on i forgot what talk show it was but he's like he's like yeah he's like i i literally i'm on steroids and admitted to that and i'm seeing recent ones like he's like he's like yeah he's like i i literally i'm on steroids and admitted to that and i'm seeing recent ones like he's not he's talking about he's not on steroids i'm like guys he's he is on he said he's on steroids he's you know but what does it fucking matter right right yeah and i think he like got more detailed about it he was like i didn't take anything for

season one but i took stuff for season and everyone's just like ah he's lying or whatever i don't know but yeah you're gonna no one again, you're not going to get believed anyway, right? People are jealous. The guy looks great. He's fucking big. Yeah. You know? Who cares?

Yeah, really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really do underestimate, like, honestly, though, what you can do with a good decade of training. Like, solid training. Because, you know, I think you're lucky. I feel like I was lucky to get into the gym at 13. I started playing sports at six,

but I was lucky to get into the gym and enjoy training and training hard yeah you train hard for a long time not saying that you'll look like me or you but you can look very impressive very and you could look bigger than somebody else too but you'll be very impressive after a good decade of training gonna make a lot of progress in the beginning too. Yeah. Like the first couple months, you'll make a lot of, I know I can't like say, Hey, you're going to gain eight pounds or something,

but it's because everyone's a little different, but you are going to have some great gains, especially maybe even almost for the first like two or three years. Easily. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's a problem is like people don't like, they haven't done that.

Even, even as did it long enough to see, like to determine whether or not they've, they have good genetics or whatever it is. Right. They're basically like, I've been training for, I get questionnaires and I get,

you know, from consoles and whatnot. And they're like, yeah, no, I've been training for, you know, about a year and a half,

you know, serious. And I'm like, and I'm like, it's dope. Like awesome for you. Like that for me is like unreal, but it's dope like awesome for you like that for me is like unreal but it's like it's very rare that I have

someone that's been at it for a long time like that those people get like very very like few and far between that you have people that actually been at it for five years strong and I'm not talking like they're like doing

you know when I say strong I mean like they're you know going to failure every single time'm not talking like they're like doing, like, you know, when I say strong, I mean like they're, you know, going to failure every single time. I'm talking like they've been trying to get enough protein in. They've been, you know, eating enough calories. They've been,

they've been on the pursuit to actually building muscle consistently for five years. Plus all of them checked. Like there was, those people don't, there's very few of those people. The food, the sleep,

the hydration, the whole thing. So like, that's why it's, it's so hard hard people to conceptualize that they're like they don't know what it's like to be committed to something for more than a year right like some people haven't been in relationships longer than a year yeah right so it's like it's that's why it's it's tough in this space to to get people to not think about all the other things but it's like you need to focus on you and then doing this thing over and over again. And like, yo,

it's monotonous. It's not going to be like flashier. Your motivation is going to be gonzo in the first month maybe. It's like, you got to continue this thing over and over again. That is the only way this is going to work. And if you don't cross off those boxes, it's like, I go to the gym six months and then I stop. Well, they're

done there. That's it. Well, I go to the gym all the time, but I don't eat too many calories. Well, you're done there now too. I go to the gym, eat enough calories, but I don't eat enough protein. Well, they're done there. That's it. Well, I go to the gym all the time, but I don't eat too many calories. Well, you're done there now too. I go to the gym, eat enough calories, but I don't eat enough protein. Well, you're done there too. So like, if you have to do all the things, you have to do all those things over time to determine whether or not you have good genetics or if you've actually been in the proper pursuit to building

muscle. But if you do, like if you fucking do, if you do five years, like if you're 19, you're now 24. If you're 30, you're now 35. Like it's like five years goes by fast. If you do, like if you fucking do, if you do five years, like if you're 19, you're now 24. If you're 30, you're now 35. Like it's like five years goes by fast. If you do this for five years straight and just work diligently and you don't got to go to failure every single fucking time. You can go like two.

I'm telling you, just fight the bar every time you go to the gym and make sure you have protein enough calories whatever do that for five years i promise you you're gonna be like holy shit i can't believe i achieved this i don't need to know if the oxy bank's natural or not i can't actually look really good but like people do it for years i'm like ah man something happened and it's like well don't blame it on homeboy over there yeah yeah uh because we've had like this conversation about like natty or not being helpful or not um a lot of comments will come in and they'll say like oh yeah but that person's lying to me and blah blah blah but the thing is they're like because they're selling something and they're making it appear as if this liver king supplement is the thing that's

causing or creating that physique or whatever and in my head my instant thought is like well you can't be that stupid but they will argue and say no people don't know and they're going to believe that if i buy their product i could become them um so do you think it's at all helpful for something like that? Stop buying shoes to jump faster or run faster or jump higher? Oh, man, when you're a kid, that shit works, dude. Fuck that. No, I'm just joking. I want to be like MJ.

But if you think about it, though, if you look at the vehicle, right? Like if I bought, say, Liver King's plan, I'm sure Liver King's plan is going to be based on some type of resistance of whatever. At the core of anyone's plan, it's muscle hypertrophy, right? this plan is going to be based on some type of resistance of whatever. And you at the, at the core of, of every anyone's plan, it's muscle hypertrophy. Right. So it's like,

if you do the plan, you will build muscle. Right. Just like if I get the best training shoes, it's going to allow me to train as hard as I can with good equipment. Right. It's not the reason why it's not going to make me better, but it's going to give me an advantage

or just give me, you know, I won't say even necessarily an advantage, but it gives me like a tool to help me get to where I need to go. So I understand like, yeah, but it's marketing as well too. So like I sell plans, and I'll tell you,

like you're not going to look like me at all. Like you're not, you are not going to look like me if you take any supplement whatsoever. If you do any of the thing I do, I make your plan based on for you to be the best that you can be. And that's the, and that's the takeaway. So it's like, you need to understand that going into any type of consumer environment,

that's like, Hey, look, uh, there's a plan that this guy's selling. If you follow hypertrophy, you will build muscle that you can build so it doesn't matter if the guy that's you know doesn't matter if it's michael hearn on there being like hey man goose eggs and and my whatever it's like it's like guess what though if you eat his goose eggs and take his supplements if you train hard you will build muscle yeah whether you're going to huberman or liver king or Hearn or Peter Aitia, the general message is similar. Yeah. You know, have some decent cardiovascular health.

Yeah. Pay attention to your calories. Learn to eat some protein. And go in the gym and break some muscle tissue down. Yeah. I think the emphasis is too much on the person delivering the news. Like, it's like, you know, if it's good news, like if it's good information, like for myself, like I'm giving you practical, you know, things that you can apply to your life

that can help your life out. Right. But that's, as far as it goes, everything else is on you. Right. So if you're putting the emphasis on like, all right, Johnny's plan is going to make me better. It's like, that's not, that's not it. The plan is going to give you the strategy or the, I don't know, the map to get to where you need to go. Right. And your final destination isn't my physique. It's your physique. Right. That's what people don't understand.

It's like, stop putting so much emphasis on the person that's selling the product now obviously i would you know be careful who's selling the product right if someone's saying i'm sorry y'all but if you're if you're eating if you're eating balls like i just for me i'm like i feel bad like i i got tore up from what i made a video on the on that i got a higher test though i got tore up wait so what like some like Like eating testicles to try to increase testosterone? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. So I was like, dude, I was the under impression that anyone really think that eating balls are going to make...

I'm trying to be so empathetic with this. I was under the impression that that isn't obvious. Like, no, bro. You ain't going to eat balls and get jacked like there's no way you think you're gonna get you need some balls and look like this dude real talk if i were 16 years old maybe i'm just stupid but if i if i i think if i was 16 or someone yeah if someone explained to you where steroids came from and they said that they were synthesized originally from bull testicles,

then you might buy that and say, well, you don't have to really worry about that. You don't have to inject it. You just eat them. If I was 16, bro, I would have been like,

fuck, where do I fucking buy some balls? I would literally have, I would, I would. Would you eat them raw? I'd cook it probably. I'm pretty sure I'd cook it

and I'm not talking about human balls. I'm talking about cow balls. That's what I was saying though. I think after hearing Mark, I'm kind of in already. Right? Like it sounds, that sounds pretty sure I'd cook it and I'm not talking about human balls. I'm talking about cow balls. I think after hearing Mark, I'm kind of in already. To be honest, that sounds pretty damn good. The delivery was good. If I heard that as a 16-year-old... I started thinking,

do you fry this or deep fry it? They're like scallops. We'll be right back, folks. We're going to eat some balls and we'll report back to you guys. About Liu King. Wow, i can finally shave them that's the good there's a garnish a little bit you want to put it put the guys on the side there to spice it up no i i get it but like it was also like you know eat it raw that is like you got but you can't cook it raw that's how you know, eat it raw. That is the rush. It's like, you can't cook it raw. That's how you know these guys are trying to troll people. That's what I'm saying.

I want everyone to fucking eat raw. It wasn't like your delivery was, it wasn't like, yeah, you got to eat, you know, when you take the testosterone comes from the bull balls. And that's where you get the most testosterone. And, you know, it goes to your gland. You put a bunch of words in there. And then, you know, if you take it out and you get those and you can cook them just like you cook liver, you know, you can put them in some flour, some shake and bake, you know, really good little garnish in there. If you want some ketchup or some, you know, really good. You know, I'm like, you know what?

Maybe I'll try some balls, you know. I'll try some. I've eaten chicken hearts before. I've eaten chitlins. You know, I've had some shit. I would probably eat it. But if someone's like, hey, yo, you got to eat the shit raw. You got to take it from the bowl itself

and peel the shit back and eat that like a kiwi. You only have 23 minutes. It's like, no. Otherwise. 16 years old, you couldn't even eat my vegetables. You don't even eat your raw balls. Like, come on.

What was your diet like when you were younger? I could have eaten some raw balls when I was 16. Easy. What's some of your diet philosophy? Diet philosophies? I have none. I guess I was thinking more like myths.

Philosophies like whole foods. That's like a well-rounded diet. I don't care what diet you're following. If you can get all your micro and macronutrients in your day, then high batter. That's it. Reason number one, get your micronutrients and macronutrients from whole foods. Yeah, that's it. If you do the majority of your foods are from a good, healthy, whole food source.

It doesn't have to be 100% of it. It could be just like... Something shut down, Andrew? I'm sorry. I just can't pull anything up. You're still recording. We paused. I don't have more of this stuff. You can have mine going on there. Go for it.

Dog, this tea crushed me. I've never done a full tea at once oh nice you doing wrestling you know wrestling yeah i did yeah do you know i'll do the butcher yeah of course what's up it's my uncle no let me look this guy up yeah that's wild yeah it's my it's my uncle uh uncle larry and give a call right now if you want uncle lar Larry. Yeah. Abdul the Butcher. Yeah. He must be like 70. 70. He's turned 82? Holy shit. Yeah.

Abdul the Butcher. Abdul or Bill? I thought I heard Bill. What? Abdul the Butcher? Abdul the Butcher. Okay. Abdul the Butcher.

The madman from Sudan. Oh, what? That's your uncle? He's got a lot on his head and everything. He was the best. Yeah. That's my blood Uncle Butch. Whoa. I can see the resemblance.

No, I'm just kidding. Have you ever done a 23andMe? What's in you, dawg? Native. Choctaw native. Choctaw. What is that? Is that something in Canada?

No, it's a... We want an original. I'm Métis. So I'm like some part native. Okay, okay, okay. I can have a Bajan, Jamaican. A Bajan? Just Canadian.

Wow. Yeah. Mix. Mix. A wonderful mix. Yeah, yeah. So back to the diet. Yeah, diet.

Whole foods. Yeah, whole foods. And then I guess, you know, the whole foods are also going to help regulate some hunger as well, right? Yeah, yeah. So, like, just choosing foods that aren't going to, like, that's your your pursuit to like, you know, educating yourself and what works for you with food wise. But like, I'm, I'm always preaching, like, you know, get the whole foods that are the, you know, high in nutrient, you know, nutrient dense foods, you know, make sure you get enough protein, enough calories, um, emphasizing your fiber and your fat. Those are things that can

help like mitigate a lot of, you know, hormonal issues or digestive issues. And then, you know, like the rest of your diet can be fun. And I think that it's just, I don't, I don't think that the goal is to have everybody eating chicken, broccoli, rice. I think the goal is to get people to understand what portions look like, understand what things cost in terms of like, Hey, what are your goals? If your goal is to get smaller and lose fat, then you have to eat towards that goal.

But make sure that in that pursuit that you're getting your protein, your carbs, your fats, making sure you're getting enough fiber, enough fat, like 20, 30% of your calorie intake should be from fats. And then just drinking enough water, eight ounces minimum, like basic stuff. And then you can have some fun if you can control yourself.

But the goal is to get people to understand that they don't have, like I have Ben and Jerry's, right? I have pizza. I have, you know, like I have food that is not diet food, you know, like, but the majority of my nutrition is. It's like, and gives you the right to be, I don't say right, but like, you know, if you can't handle those things and you have to, you know, you have to, you know, do things to make sure that you don't fall off the bandwagon or, you know, you understand your cues. That's the thing with like mental health and just like management is understanding like, hey, this food makes me want more of this food. Well, then get rid of it. Right. setting like hey this food makes me want more of this food well then get rid of it right what are

some other things that um you think uh kind of make those cues happen um cues in terms of like hunger cues and whatnot just like like a few things like um when people come to you like hey man i'm like uh i'm getting like you know cravings at nighttime like all right cool are you drinking enough water oh i'm like there you. There's one thing that's probably a lot of times people, you're conscious to what your body's telling you. But how you respond to it is your filter. So if you're like, I'm hungry.

It's like, are you or are you thirsty? Because it feels the same. So if you're not drinking enough water, no same. So if you're not drinking, and I'll go back to the drinking of water. No. Well, if you drink more water, like if you look at like, you know, this is obviously a bottle of water. If I had sand in here, right? If you had sand only, then we put water in it. It's fuller, right?

So like having a bottle like this and just having a little sand in it, it's like, well, you probably wouldn't be as hungry if you fill the rest of it with water. So like, so one of those things is like drinking enough water. Also, like, you know, your macronutrient ratio, right? If your majority of your macronutrients are from carbs, you're going to be craving carbs a lot. Yeah. Right? Carbs are like, I understand that carb energy is like, you know, I guess like your simple sugars, whatnot. Your monosaccharides or polysaccharides are

gonna have you know gonna spike your sugar right so if you're trying to minute you want to minimize your sugars being spiked up and down so like I would say just having your ratio not so carb heavy number one two making sure you're eating like you actually like if you don't eat in the morning like I understand like if you you want to be intermittent fasting it's fine but like if it's making you eat more food then it's not doesn't work it's like you know and if you want to be intermittent fasting, it's fine. But like if it's making you eat more food, then it's not, it doesn't work. It's like, you know, and if you're not intermittent fasting, you're getting hungry at nighttime. You're like, oh, I didn't eat in the morning. There's a good risk.

There's some room to grow. Eat a meal in the morning. Right. If you're eating enough food on like a regular basis, you shouldn't have these hunger cues that go up and down. And then all of a sudden it's like, there's obviously the training part of that too if you're over cardioing certain things right like no one's over training to or feeling too hungry like a lot of people i think the biggest misconception is like i had a big leg day today so i need to eat 600 calories it's like nah man your leg day was like 200 calories max yeah but glutes hurt bad like you burn maybe 200 calories. Maybe.

I think people sometimes don't realize that the body kind of works in this like delayed fashion. And I think that we think that we wake up and it's a new day. You know, it's a new day. Boom. And this – everything that I'm thinking about only is confined to this one day. But it's like, well, we probably need to go back to yesterday maybe the day before maybe two three days beforehand to find out why the hell you're so hungry yeah or why the hell you're so tired yeah uh you know how was your sleep um did you train you know and someone's like oh yeah i actually had double days like two days in a

row i forgot about it it was like sunday and monday and then now it's you know thursday or whatever it is you know so i think there's a lot of stuff like that that happens and you mentioned and um in the gym when we were training you're like sometimes somebody uh they'll go in to do like a back day and they train chest the day before and now all this is tight i'm not saying that this is right or wrong and i don't think that was your point either just recognize that there's a cost to the exercise that you did yesterday yeah you're going to be feeling some of that and when you go to do your back workout it might be slightly compromised so it's just all this stuff is really good to be conscious of yes if you're going to dip your calories way down on a particular day because you're trying to

get lean or shredded or whatever the words are maybe you maybe you absolutely just didn't even eat at all on a Sunday or something like that. You're like, I'm just going to fast for 24 hours and I'm going to utilize that. Well, now Wednesday rolls around and you're kind of curious on why you're so hungry. It's because a couple of days earlier you were messing around doing something like that.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely agree. It's an accumulation. It's one of the things I get people to understand when they start to have judgments about their outcome it's like when people are like I had a bad day

today, I ate over my calories and I'm like alright don't go in the deep end how's the rest of the week been? how's your adherence to your diet? well it's been on point except for this one day okay cool, so let's do some easy math. Does six, is six greater than one or is one greater than six? They're like, well, obviously like six is greater than one. Cool. That's not,

one day is not going to ruin your entire week, right? You're still in a deficit or you're still in that little surplus. If you do that on a consistent basis, yeah, for sure. But it's like understanding that, you know, how your entire week looked and not like I messed up today, you know, or like, man, I weighed myself today and I was yesterday. I mean, I weighed way less. But how was your week average? Right. Those are things like, you know, I always bring it to my clients. It's like, here's some questions you had to answer on a week to week basis. So you have some awareness as to why your week went the way it did. So I definitely agree with that. You know, it's from what you said that I'm curious your thoughts on this, because I think Kenny

actually may have asked you something similar to this. You know, it's good to allow yourself some fun foods in there, especially so that you don't get into the cycle of, you know, because you've been keeping it away from yourself for so long, you binge on it. But some people love to do a cheat day. Now, as you're working with so many clients, how do you help them if they like to have a day, whether it's Saturday where they have some fun? How do you help them navigate it so it doesn't get out of hand? Because for a lot of people, it can just get crazy in terms of the calories they can eat. Yeah.

Oh, it's just something you could forecast, right? So I always sound like, you know, if you're going to plan these things, like don't have it as an impulsive decision in that day. Right? Because if you do, if you're like, oh, today is my cheat day. And then you just act impulsively.

But at the same time, it's like, all right, what is our cheat? I don't know if that's called a cheat day, but like, what is our day going to look like? Right? What is the purpose of this day? Right? Understand that this is still to,

this is still going to be in line with our goals it's a little bit of freedom for your brain but it's also going to help with the outcome of what we're trying to do in terms of like losing fat whatever it is so it's like hey i want you to like i'll have times i was like i want you to eat to your full yeah like i want you to eat i don't want you like putting around trying to like you know walk this tightrope because you're in prep and you don't want to and then all of a to like, you know, walk this tightrope because you're in prep and you don't want to. And then all of a sudden you're doing two hours of cardio after you ate. I want you to actually eat this food.

I want you to eat it, you know, guilt free, carefree, own it and plan what you're eating. If you're going to go to dinner at nighttime, then you're going to, you know, plan what you want to eat at nighttime. Right. Or what restaurant you're going to go to. Yeah. You know, I get them like, hey, if you want to just have a day where it's not necessarily like we're trying to break a plateau or something. And it's like, hey, I just want to... My wife,

I make food for her, but I'm like, can I eat the food that I make? I'm like, yes. For me, I'm like, anything you have to make at home, that's not to me, that's not cheat-cheating. If you've got to go and make a recipe at home, make something for wife unless you're going to mcdonald's and remaking the burger you know what i'm saying but you know you should be able to do that so it's like

understand like hey you can eat eat like a bird during the daytime and then when you want to have that meal then you can have that meal if you go over a bit that's completely fine because the rest of your week again is going to be as is. So give yourself some time to understand what you want to eat, enjoy that, and eat it guilt-free, and then utilize all the things it has. And the next day, if you're training, you know that you got some extra fuel. Train balls to throw the next day.

Don't train to lose calories. Train knowing that you're going to have more energy to be able to increase your intensity. So that's the things I got to tell, you know, clients and whatnot. How do you help with cravings? Getting rid of the things that I gave you cravings, number one. Two, like. Like get them out of the house type deal.

Yeah, yeah. Don't like, like for me, like I have, I don't have, you know, and I know myself. If I have two, three things of Oreos in the house, those are gone in a day. You have an eating disorder, Johnny. It's an eating disorder, Johnny. Are you allowed to say that in the air? No, the reason why I'm saying that is because like, keep on. Yeah.

No, but like the thing is, some people like to say that that's an eating disorder behavior. It's managing. It's knowing your weakness. Like, get yourself out of this situation. Life is very repetitive in ways of, like, lessons. Like, if you're not going to go to a certain friend's house because that friend or person always gets you in trouble, that's not a friend disorder.

That's you being smart and getting out of the situation, right? So for me, I know that— It's not your problem because you can't get out of doing bad things with that friend that's not a you problem are you sure there's a hundred percent of me problem damn it right so like yeah get like have you know if you're gonna have cheat stuff in the house have one serving cheat stuff so i have like i have the food i want to eat once like i know that i can eat anything between 360 grams to 820 grams, 870 grams in a box cereal. I love cereal.

One of my weaknesses, love cereal. I was that kid that, you know, my white friends, the parents would have cinnamon toast crunch in the cover for me. Still to this day, I promise you, still to this day, I can go home right now, there'll be a group of friends that I know that will be like, oh, is John coming home? Yeah, is he cool? I'll get him a cinnamon toast crunch.

I swear to God. So, but I, but I have just enough for that, for me to have it. I know for sure if I have a box of craving, the house is gone that day. Yeah. So I plan to have that, but I'm not going to buy a bunch of in those. I'm going to buy only one serving one, you know, sitting serving of whatever it is. And that's it. So like get rid of the shit that you can't control out of your house out of sight out of mind and you can train your like everything is training your body you're training your body based on your consciousness in your environment so you can i don't crave having like you know oreos all the time because i don't have if i have it all the

time i don't want oreos all the time yeah it's super it's like you know but it's like unfortunately people don't know that i train i have a i have a i train a doctor um and uh i'm not gonna say what sex they are because i don't want them to know that i'm talking with them but i can definitely bleep that yeah Yeah, bleep that. But it's like. Who knows how they identify. Could be, I don't know. But like, it was the same, the same, like, I was like, you know, why am I not losing weight? I'm like, are you, are you sticking to the plan? Because the point is, I want to do more cardio.

I think I need to do more cardio days. I'm like, are you like are you following the plan like the calories that are given to you do i have to and i'm like yes you do 100 you have to but like that's a very educated person that doesn't know that right now is it does it because they don't want to know or is it because they're focused but again that's like we can't expect everyone to know like you know what i mean because that's a confirmation bias like we're around people that like no right and when i was doing my content before i'd done my content down even more because i thought that that I was putting on beginner stuff.

And when I listened to some of the things I was saying, I was like, that's not beginner. That's beginner for your client. Your beginner on your channel is a very intermediate in the real world. So it's like when I have these kind of questions or

situations, there's a lot of like empathy I have because I'm like, you don't know what the hell you're talking about or doing. And I totally understand that. And I don't expect you to either. But it's just the majority of the people.

Yeah. Which is, you know, it's unfortunate that we didn't go through like, you know, in high school, learning about like, you know, debt and credit and, you know, nutrition. And that'll be really good. That'll be way better than history of France.

Like, I'm not even using any history. What history am I using right now? Yeah. So, yeah. So let's say that you've already gotten your blood work done with Merrick Health. You've gotten the right supplementation. You've handled your nutrition. But how about the people close to you?

How about the people in your life? Recently, I had my mom get her blood work done with Merrick Health, and she's gotten her blood work done many times in the past. But Merrick did an amazing job at looking at her blood work and giving her the supplement ideas to help her move forward. Because one thing is, is when you go to hospitals and they get your blood work and they do your blood work, when they look at your numbers,

they're comparing you to the average person. They're not trying to optimize you and help you move forward. They're just trying to make sure that you're not breaking. Whereas Merrick Health, when their patient care coordinators look at your blood work and when they looked at my mom's, they're trying to figure out how to optimize you and make you live the most vital life possible. So if you've gotten your blood work done, great. But think about the people close to you. Would it be good for them to get their blood work

done and get this type of work done? If so, Andrew, how can they get in contact with Merrick Health? Yes, super important stuff, guys. Head over to MerrickHealth.com slash PowerProject. That's M-A-R-R-E-K-Health.com slash PowerProject. And at checkout, enter promo code PowerProject to save 10% off the PowerProject panel, the PowerProject checkup panel, or any lab that you select on their website. Again, MerrickHealth.com slash PowerProject. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Some of the stuff you were mentioning in the gym earlier when Kenny was asking you some questions, I found to be really interesting. I know that a lot of people probably heard a little bit of this kind of stuff before, but you were mentioning how someone could get into tremendous shape even while eating, you know, quote unquote, junk food. Yeah. So I'd like you just to maybe elaborate a little bit more on that and why you think that the case that that can be the case yeah um so it's uh guys

make sure you edit this thing so people won't skip over because they'll be like johnny said eat junk food so it's uh there's a big myth in bodybuilding and i'll tell you this conversation actually happens pretty fun um i was listening to a food and he was talking about you know whatever about diet uh dieting and whatever and he was like you gotta eat these foods this food's gonna make you look this and it's like no that's not that's not actually right um and there's a huge misconception that to believe that the food you eat is how you're gonna look so you can't look if i ate chicken broccoli and rice i'm gonna have that good healthy bodybuilding look physically.

What you see is that's going to be a result of the chicken, broccoli, rice or the clean food. If you eat junk food or whatever, it will make your physique not look that way. You won't be able to look. And that's false. It's not true at all. There is some validity to that. And that's in terms of like, okay, certain foods will do certain things to you that will change the physiology like if you eat too many carbs carbs have more you know they're gonna like

for every one gram of carbs two to three grams of water with it so you'll hold more water subjectaneously eating more carbs so yeah it will but carbs are carbs in a sense so if I had, you know, if I ate chicken and broccoli and then instead of rice, I had rice cakes, rice crispies, popcorn, I would look virtually the same. As long as the calories are the same. As long as the calories are the same. Yeah, the calories are the same, right? Right. If if you ate like, you know, if I decide to eat my entire prep from McDonald's, I would look I would I would carry out and look the same. I believe someone actually did that. Right. So the difference is, is that you're not going to the biggest difference is, is not the look. It's more so like the gut health and then your cognitive health.

It's more so like the gut health and then your cognitive health. So if you're eating Pop-Tarts or junk crap, whatever, there's not much macronutrient there that's going to help with your brain. And your performance may suffer because you don't necessarily feel as good in the gym when you're training. Yeah. And again, it's not the food that makes you – the food isn't going to make you look a certain way. It's more so internally going to do the difference, right? And again, too, obviously, like, if you're eating, like, junk food during a prep and you're on a diet, it's going to make you crave more.

So, like, there's obviously those other things. That's why you can't. That's why there's a lot, like, when it comes to bodybuilding, it's very strict in terms of, like, you know, what food choices you use. when it comes to bodybuilding, it's very strict in terms of like, you know, what food choices you use, because you're not going to crave as much eating chicken broccoli rice if you had, you know, French toast, right? And I've done both types of, I've both, I've done both types of preps. I've eaten the anabolic recipes and then had the whole food stuff. And I found that there is a good, there's a good balance of both where it's like I started off with eating, you know, anabolic recipes.

Then at the end of prep, I would go into more, I'd focus more on whole foods because it was easier for me in terms of like mentally. When you say anabolic recipes, what do you mean? Is it from a cookbook or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

100%. From a cookbook. Okay. It's funny too. We had this conversation. Everything's anabolic. Like anabolic recipes, if you think about it, it's like anything that's going to keep you in an anabolism is anabolic.

As long as you're in a surplus, you're anabolic. But what is special about these recipes? Is it just like they're protein forward, right? Yeah. So the problem with protein, the problem with like anabolic recipes is that, and if you don't do it properly, but it's more like you're trying to create the illusion that you're eating more food. So you. Volume. So volume and stuff.

So like, you know, you can have, you know, your protein, you know, your carbs, you know, and then your fats start taking a backseat because they cost more. So if your diet consists more of protein and low-calorie-dense carbs, high-in-fiber things, you know what I mean? Like popcorn, right? fiber things you know what i mean like uh um popcorn right you can you know you can get adding like something xanthan gum or guar gum to your you know shakes it makes things more full it makes you have the feeling of being full right so i'll be like an anabolic recipe um but when you look at it just you're just eating more protein whatever um i don't find that the if you if you do it properly you can actually get the right amounts of macronutrients in them. But for the most part, when it comes to calories in, calories out type thing,

and that's like everyone knows that it is calories in, calories out. We're talking about what your body looks like in the end. It is calories in, calories out, 100%. But it's what those calories look like as a whole that will have the result or give the result into the, like your overall performance or your, you know, your gut health or your cognitive health, strength and whatnot. So that's when it makes a difference, but like food for food, you're not getting like, so like, I'm not saying eat like shit, but like, you know,

you don't have to be so strict when you're eating. That's bodybuilder or your regular general public, whatever. But when it comes to the choices, it's also making sure you're eating the foods that aren't going to make you spiral. So that's why you can't. That's why people come and say, Sam's not like, he's eating that. I can't believe he's eating this food. It's not going to change how he looks, right? It might change his overall performance in the end, but how he looks is not going to change anything.

I think a lot of times people aren't, they're not really thinking about the overall amount of energy they're consuming. And they're thinking like they might be on a diet and they might be really well intended with everything that they're doing. There might be some mess ups here and there. They might have coffee and it might have some sugar in it it might have some extra calories they're not really paying attention maybe they have a soft drink you know in the middle of the day that has a little bit more calories than than they're anticipating and stuff like that and then they'll have like a salad because they're trying to make healthy decisions not recognizing that the

dressing could have 20 or 30 grams of fat which which is just a real giant bomb into somebody's overall calories for the day. And they could be frustrated and say, well, I ate pretty good. The last couple of days, I felt like I was on point. I had a salad. I had this. I had that. And they really did make a good effort. But they're just like there's a little bit of like self-sabotage in there, maybe unknowingly

self-sabotage that's kind of holding them back. Yeah, definitely. I think it's, that's the importance of counting calories, just like, I think people think of when they count calories, I have to do that for the rest of their life, like I have to

count calories forever, it's another thing that I have to do. But it's like, no, you're just, you're just, you know, learning to teach yourself how to see portions. Like this is how I don't,

I don't count a calorie at all anymore. Like at all. Like I don't measure anything. I know what things look like. I do balance plating techniques. You know, I use my hand, you know,

easy ones like, you know, eat your protein size, your palm. If you're hungry, eat the size of your hand. If you know, your, your greens, you know, take my hand you know easy ones like you know eat your protein size your palm if you're hungry eat the size of your hand if you know your your greens you know take a chunk of that shit you know what i mean yeah your fats are like you know the size of your thumb right um if you want more carbs you're hungry have it the size of your hand but like you know try to not eat like that like you want your grains to be like more so in here and if you look at it a cup of rice in your hand is around 220 calories, right? So I,

I know certain, like, I know how much certain things cost in terms of calories. So when I'm eating, I'm conscious of like, I know the portions and that's all you're doing is like understanding portions. And then that's the, and that's how you, that's where you want to be. So you can actually have balance. That's the whole thing. Grand scheme of this is like, how can I create balance in my life to be able to, you know, if I'm trying to lose weight, I'm eating enough calories to do so, but not doing extra calories, extra, you know, cardio that's going to make me that much hungrier or eating way too less food. And then I can't really lose that much weight anymore. I think it's a big thing too, is people think that you can just, I guess that's why i think calories and calories out it's good to as a good start but it's too vague it's like you can't just continue to lower your calories and expect to lose weight yeah there's

a point where it's like your body's gonna be like no like you're not just i'm sorry you can't yeah um it's i think people think that you can just continue i get a lot of people like i'll get clients i'll come in like I can't lose any more weight. I don't know what's happening. There'll be like 250-pound men who are eating 1,500 calories. And I'm like, cool. How long did you lose and how long do you do this for? A few months.

How big were you before? 300 pounds. Great. You lost the weight. And guess what? Now you can't. And now you're also doing more cardio. So your body is not going to continue to let you lose calories.

So in that type of situation, what do you do for the person to, if they're trying to still long-term lose more body fat, how do you get them out of that situation and then help them continue to start making progress again? So a couple of things. I look at, you know, what are they doing? Like if we have like our general first conversation, I kind of like act as like a therapist, whatever. And I'll sit there and listen to what they say. And I'll listen, you know, they'll say they're eating little amount of food. Okay. They've lost a bunch of weight. They're eating a little amount of food and, you know, they're doing a bunch of cardio, right? They're overdoing exercise and they're over,

and they're under eating a lot. So for me, it's like, okay, so what we can do is like, let's just decrease the amount of cardio you're doing. And let's increase a little bit of the food you're eating. Because the reason why they're not losing any more weight is because, or the weight loss is getting, is stalling is because their entire, people understand like when you, your metasomal of, like, your overall non-exercise activity thermogenesis is, you know, put it this way, you don't have a pep in your step anymore. You're doing this. There is amount of calories to do this, right? Holding my body up in good posture is burning calories, non-exercise activity thermogenesis.

This doesn't take that many calories, right? When you're walking and your stride is a certain length and now your stride is smaller or slower, you know, all those things happen. So what I try to do is like find the areas where we can find success. So if he's eating way too many, he or she's eating way too many calories and doing too much cardio, well, I'm going to increase your calories by decreasing your output of cardio. Yeah. Right. And then see, and then watch your body on a week to week basis. If we're seeing a change, okay, now you're still losing weight, which is good. We decrease your calories, your calories are your, your cardio and you are losing

more weight. Why? Because now you have more energy to go on the treadmill or whatever and lose weight. I'll do the same thing with like, you thing with adding actually more food in their diet. I've had a client came to me from his old coach. He lost 100 pounds during prep. He lost most of that weight by adding more food.

I bring up 1500 calories. This guy was literally eating. He was yoked. You know those old pictures in magazines where it's like This guy was literally eating. He was like yoked. But like he was one of those, you know, the old pictures on the magazines where it's like the before and after creatine picture. And the guy's jacked. And the guy's like big old stomach.

But he's got this. That was basically that guy. And I gave him more food. I gave him more food on a week-to-week basis. Like a, you know, 200 calories. I'd feed him up and then he'd lose, he'd lose. And he got to a place where he was performing more. His output, his performance increased.

And then now he's starting to lose some fat. And now we got him up there again. Now we can kind of start decreasing back down again. So that's what, one of the main things I do with clients is like finding where we can make the correction that's good that's that's making you not um lose weight yeah yeah you think about when someone's deep into a diet sometimes they start to feel really weak and like their their weights that they're moving start to really shut down um their performance like even with doing something like cardio is going to be a little bit lower but you just got to think about like what's the accumulative effect of not being able

to deadlift 225? Like normally maybe you go in and you do a handful of sets with 225 for some stiff leg deadlifts or something. Well now, because you've been dieting for so long, like 135 kind of feels weird. And so maybe even skip it and you're like, I'm going to just work hamstrings some other way. And you do like a different exercise. these are things that happen to people that they're they're not even really sometimes aware of and i'm not even just talking about the bodybuilding culture it also happens uh in with with regular folks uh just trying to lose weight yeah and they're not really recognizing their motivation for the gym is in that reduced uh caloric state like it like part of it has to do with calories yeah yeah yeah 100 um i it's a it's it's my analogy i'd like to make it as like a

locomotive right you you know you're if you you know old locomotives you put coal and all of a sudden it gets a burst right that's basically what you do, especially when you're losing fat or you're in a contest prep. Your goal is to try to keep your performance up as much as you can with what you have, right? So it's always good to, when you're going down and you start seeing the body signs or the bio signs of your performance is starting to decrease.

Your sleep is starting to rocky. Your recovery isn't there. All these things are good reasons to make a change in terms of your caloric intake. And that could just be like add 100 calories of fat on a day-to-day

and see what happens. And I've done... I think it's one of the easiest things day to day and see what that happens. And I've done, I, that's one of my favorite easy. I think it's one of the easiest things to do when you see somebody stall. Just a hundred calories, not a hundred grams, a hundred calories. Yeah.

A hundred calories is like, is a hundred calories would be like a tablespoon of peanut butter, a tablespoon of extra version of olive oil. Yeah. Like it's super small. And there's also one of those good things too, is like someone who's trying to put on a mass and they don't want to over tap out their carbs because everyone's like i don't eat more carbs and they're like i can't eat any more food probably not like it's tough to eat that

much food especially if you're waiting too many and if you're putting too much emphasis on carbs when you can easily just add like some extra peanut butter or oil or fats into your diet that are going to, you know, have more of a have a better outcome in the in the long run anyway. So I think like I think in the end, most of the time, if you emphasize more fats in either way, whatever you're going up or down, that's going to be one of the best, I would say, tools to use to help continue your your journey and losing fat and or so building muscles well too what do you think is one maybe one of the simplest things to tell your average person to help them lose some weight like what's maybe if you could kind of sum something up in like a sentence or two oof whoa what it's the hardest question i've got my life over something they can grab a hold of and like they can kind of. Put the fork down.

Yeah, there you go. Right? No, not that. Well, you did mention earlier about like eating whole foods. So obviously something like that's going to be really effective because it's just a little harder to overeat those foods. Yeah. effective because it's just a little harder to overeat those foods. Yeah. If you want to lose weight,

the easiest way to lose weight and avoid being hungry is prioritize your fat and prioritize your protein and your fiber. Those are three things that when it comes to I almost forgot the word. Like satiation?

The of whatever. Anyway, satiation the the um of whatever anyway satiation in the end um those things are harder to take more energy to digest um thermic effect thermic defective food yes thank you you're awesome give that man give that man an award um so those things that you know, fats, fiber, and protein are going to, in the end, have more effect on your body in the long run to mitigate, you know, hunger. It's more satiating and it makes you feel full. Yeah. Right. So those, I think those things alone, like, you know, if you can get in your caloric deficit, prioritizing that,

if you're doing one to one grams of protein per body weight, it covers the basics for everybody. Whether you're a young teen, mid-20s, or you're an elderly population, you're covering your ass in protein. You don't have to eat that much, but you're covering it. If you're doing, I think men, it's think 30 grams or 40 grams of fiber from in your diet um you know i think it's like yeah uh i think sorry it's like it's 30 to 50 um 30 grams for women i think and 50 for men of fiber and if you did 20 to 30 percent of your entire calories coming

from fat and then fill the rest do that first and then fill the rest with your your carbs your like simple sugar carbs your your grains your rice your you know your potatoes whatever and have that i think it's easier i've done this with most of my clients to be honest um that helps a lot with keeping their hunger cues down it's easier to adhere to their diet. You know, you're trying to mitigate all the sugar spikes. You know what I mean? Are you at all concerned with, like, because again, kind of the YouTube space and all this stuff will bring up seed oils and how that's going to do this and that.

So do you have people like even worry about that sort of thing? Yeah. And I think I make it i just i'm practical right i try to give practical um examples or just like you know uh you sure it's one thing you know what i mean like one seed oil that one thing is the reason why people are obese it's like whenever someone brings up something and it's one thing whether it's like a diet it's like when, whenever someone brings us something and it's one thing, whether it's like a diet and it's like that one thing in the diet is the, is a game changer. Or if you take out this one thing, that's a game changer. That is a red flag for me. Right. And it's like, again, you're, if you're worried about seed oils, then I hope you're not drinking alcohol, smoking weed,

not putting on sunscreen, like all the things that like you know there's you know so when it comes to seed oils and stuff like that it's like let's chill out no yeah they just gotta explain things to them in a way where they you know they can it's like hear it better and more like practical you know what i mean right yeah yeah because you think of uh helping out kenny today with uh some bodybuilding as we were doing and then also some posing and stuff. Love it. Man, coaching is, I love, I've been coaching my entire

life. I have. Since I was young, I was coaching whether it was like music, art, or snowboarding, or football. It's been my first love is like being able to share somebody and like break it down for them. I love watching people figure it out from their own.

Yeah. Cause like, it's like the most empowering thing ever. Like when you get to come to coaching and stuff, it's like, you, you get paid and all, but like seeing somebody being like,

I can do this. Like I am, I've envisioned this thing and I now can control the outcome is like the most rewarding thing. so seeing like Kenny today like you know especially when we did I showed him how to open up his back and he was doing this and he was like I'm like this guy's got a dope back I get him gonna do this

and then he was like boom oh I feel this and his if you can get like a perfect timing of a picture of the way he he felt and then what came from it was like his back looked amazing. Going from being like,

you got a nice back to being like dope. And then that dope was like sick. It was in his head. It was like, I feel it. And then now he gets to practice that over and over again. And to be able to share that with somebody is like, it's just, you know, you can't beat that. Yeah.

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