Mark Bell's Power Project - Power Bite: Do You NEED A PCT? Will Natural Levels Come Back? ft. Coach Trevor
Episode Date: November 21, 2021Coach Trevor is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to post cycle therapy, hormone levels and TRT. In this clip we ask him if he believes people should cycle off, whether or not their natural levels c...an ever come back and if TRT is ok to do long term. Full episode can be heard uncensored here: https://lnk.to/CoachTrevor Special perks for our listeners below! ➢Vertical Diet Meals: https://verticaldiet.com/ Use code POWERPROJECT for free shipping and two free meals + a Kooler Sport when you order 16 meals or more! ➢Vuori Performance Apparel: Visit https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order! ➢Magic Spoon Cereal: Visit https://www.magicspoon.com/powerproject to automatically save $5 off a variety pack! ➢8 Sleep: Visit https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro! ➢Marek Health: https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT15 for 15% off ALL LABS! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢LMNT Electrolytes: http://drinklmnt.com/powerproject ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Subscribe to the Power Project Newsletter! ➢ https://bit.ly/2JvmXMb Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz
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If you're on a pretty heavy cycle, you're never going to come back to normal exactly
what you were before.
Never?
No.
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You mentioned post-psychotherapy there by saying PCT.
by saying PCT.
Do you think that people should come off?
Because I know many years ago,
people used to do like a cycle and do like 12 weeks
and then they would come off.
But we don't really hear that anymore.
And now with like Instagram,
people want to be in shape all the time.
Is it your opinion that people should come off?
And if so, how long?
Like what should that look like?
Yeah, you can't redline your body that's one thing i learned
and one thing that the very first thing i learned in biology is something i forgot you know the
entire time i was doing it until towards the end and it's your body is always going to find
homeostasis you're never going to outsmart it you're never going to it will always find a way
to get back there and that's where side effects come in. So when you take something for so long, your body is going to say, okay, this is not normal.
We got to get it back to a normal level. And so things start to happen. Say testosterone,
for example, the longer you're on it, it's going to start breaking it down into estrogen.
There's an aromatase enzyme that'll start breaking that down. It starts going into DHT.
You know, you have your five alpha reductase enzyme and starts doing this. The longer
you're on it, the more it's trying to bring it down. So you might have a total testosterone of
5,000, but your free testosterone is like 20, you know, and that's what starts to happen. So
yeah, it's going to catch up. So when you're doing a cycle, there's a reason you want to do this,
right? And then when your things start to slow down, you might switch to compounds and try new things,
but that's your body telling you something.
It's stopping for a reason.
Myostatin is another one that we don't talk about too much, but that is the rev limiter of all gains.
And once your body realizes this, you'll see that start to climb.
And every anabolic and everything we do causes it to drop.
And so you might see DECA marketed as a myostatin inhibitor.
It's not.
It's just an anabolic.
So anything you add that's anabolic will lower it, but your body will catch back up.
When it starts to see these things climb, that goes on, and then boom, you're done.
So you can change things out and try to trick it.
And that's where I came in is tricking your body.
And it's not just rotating compounds
because it's still an anabolic. It might drop it a little bit and it's going to catch right back up
and it's going to go higher and higher and higher. Then you're going to gain less and less and less,
have to do more and more and more. So eventually you do so much more for so little, it's not really,
it's not going to equate to any benefit. And then you start taking one step forward,
two steps backwards. So it's all about tricking it.
And that's the key factor is tricking it.
And cycles were great for that reason because you cycle.
And once your body catches on to it, boom, you're done.
You're not going to gain anymore.
So during that time while you're not gaining, you're just taking a break.
And then when you get back on, you're back, your mild sentence back to normal.
Boom, you do it again.
And that's where that comes in.
And it's a lot healthier approach.
Doing a bridge, like a TRT bridge, though, I think is still pretty smart.
What does that mean?
When you come off a cycle, you just stay on a low dose of testosterone.
So you're not constantly battling this up and down pattern of being on something and then being completely off and emotional and having low testosterone levels and then getting back on and playing that
game,
that flux game is that has a lot of negative impacts on people mentally.
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now. What kind of impacts can it have? Like, for example, because I've heard of some people that it took a little bit for them to be able to get back to their normal levels after having taken exogenous testosterone.
So like, what does that look like for some people?
It depends one on the person.
There's just some people, you know, there's some people that take testosterone replacement therapy dose and they have gyno.
You know, and you can't find it anywhere on their lab work.
They're just that sensitive to it. Yeah. So you do have a group of people
that you can just take a little bit of testosterone. They're going to be shut down for, you
can't even time it. You don't, you don't know how long. Then you have some people that can take it
and come right off and you would never even know they took it. So aside from those
people, you know, if you're on a pretty heavy cycle, you're never going
to come back to normal exactly what you were before.
Never?
No.
If you're doing a very heavy cycle and you're doing it for a long time, no.
It'll never be normal and you're going to be at that normal, say you were at 600, let's
say, and you're 30 years old or 28 years old,
and you want to do your test trend DECA cycle,
and you're doing 12, 16 weeks or so,
when you come back off, yeah, you're not going to hit that level.
You will hit it, say, with clomiphene and HCG and stuff.
So you'll need stuff to be able to hit that level again.
You'll never be able to hit it on your own.
Yeah, no, no, no.
Damn. Yeah, but, no, no. Damn.
Yeah, but, you know, it is what it is.
And, again, that's why I say stay on, you know, TRT and just have a healthy level and watch, just pay attention to your lab work and you can keep a healthy level of testosterone that way.
You don't have to worry.
What about staying on a TRT dose?
So somewhere between 150 to 200 milligrams a week, can somebody
do that long-term and not really have any side effects?
As far as, you know, like the estrogen levels going out of whack, because by then, if they're
doing testosterone, they're kind of already, they know that their natural test is either
gone or it's not coming back.
Do you see any long-term detriment to doing something like that?
No, no.
I'd see that a much healthier way than the alternative.
And again, it's about tricking your body too
because eventually your body's going to catch up.
You know, your body sends testosterone, growth hormone,
all these things are impulses.
So you get them in a pulse and then it's gone.
You know, you have a level and it kind of comes down during the day
and it fluctuates depending on how your body is producing it.
So when it notices an exogenous hormone,
it's typically either the amount of it or the time that it's in your body at that level.
So the longer that it's elevated in your body, it realizes that
and it will try and do things to get rid of it.
So that same dose of TRT, depending on how you take it, you can,
you can essentially, you can take it the rest of your life with almost no side effects in your
body, not even really knowing that you have it in your system, an exogenous form of it.
And then there's a way of taking it where your body notices within, you know, the first month,
and then you're going to start to see side effects even from that first month onward.
And then they start to typically get worse. So it's all about how you take it and
the forms and delivery methods that you're taking it and just tricking your body.
Because it's always back down to that, how you can do it so your body doesn't know it.