Mark Bell's Power Project - Power Project EP. 167 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: January 16, 2019

Aubrey Marcus is the founder and CEO of ONNIT, a lifestyle brand based on a holistic health philosophy he calls Total Human Optimization. He is a New York Times Bestselling Author of Own the Day, Own Your Life and currently hosts the Aubrey Marcus Podcast. He is most passionate about raising awareness for psychedelic medicine. ➢SHOP NOW: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots   Find the Podcast on all platforms:   ➢Subscribe Rate & Review on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mark-bells-power-project/id1341346059?mt=2   ➢Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4YQE02jPOboQrltVoAD8bp   ➢Listen on Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mark-bells-power-project?refid=stpr   ➢Listen on Google Play: https://play.google.com/music/m/Izf6a3gudzyn66kf364qx34cctq?t=Mark_Bells_Power_Project   ➢Listen on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/markbellspowerproject   FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell   ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining   ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell   ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell   Follow The Power Project Podcast ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/MarkBellsPowerProject   Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz  

Hey, we have Aubrey Marcus on the show today? Yes, we do. What's going on with that? That's amazing. I know, man. I'm excited for today. He's not the same Aubrey Marcus that is like the Onnit CEO and stuff like that. Can't be the same guy, right? That's the one.

Well, now you got me all nervous. I'm actually pretty nervous right now. Why didn't you say anything? Well, I figured if I didn't say anything you know the anxiety and the uh the nervousness won't build and then you know we just get right into it i'm like hey mark bell abby marcus what's up guys and then yeah just just go right right but yeah they're ready to go if you are i'm yeah i'm ready to rock i'm super excited to uh ask them some questions and um thing I think that gets pushed to the side is everybody knows

he's successful. He's got these books out that are super successful. He's the founder and CEO of Onnit. We know a lot of these things. Dude, this guy crushes it. The Onnit Academy is absolutely insane. That place is so awesome to go to.

I can't wait to go there again soon. Let's get him on the horn, huh? Let's see what he's got going on. Yo, yo, look at this guy. Hey. What's going on, man? Hey,'s actually aubrey marcus you're right andrew yeah see i told you like he is the owner of on it you can't believe it we got him on the horn here this is awesome how you doing my man i'm doing good brother i'm doing good let me just

figure out how to get my mic situated properly so you guys can hear me well. How's my audio coming through? Audio sounds good, buddy. Okay. You sound good and you look even better. What are you sipping on over there? A little green juice. Oh, there we go. Getting in some vitamins and minerals for the start of your day?

Yeah. You know it. So I want to just kind of dive in on some of this. And there's a million different interesting things to talk about. But one thing I want to chat with you about is I want to talk to you a little bit about kids and kind of today's society, but also want to kind of go back in time. We'll use the time machine, go back in time and talk to you a little bit about your own childhood and your own experiences growing up and kind of what turned you into what you are now. And so what was your upbringing like?

Well, it was interesting. You know, as early as I can remember, my mother and father got divorced. So they were only together a few short years, just basically just long enough to have me and then, uh, and then separate. So they separated when I was about two years old. So I had two distinct households that I grew up in and, uh, pretty quickly got two really interesting and awesome step-parents. Um, so I always really, even from a young age, considered that a blessing because not only did I have my father who who was very kind of logical, cerebral, commodities trader background, my mother, who was an ex-professional tennis player, and then my stepdad, who was a real contrast to my father, who was a SWAT team squad leader and then turned inventor businessman. And then my stepmother was a naturopathic doctor so i really got to expose myself to a lot of different i mean your parents are kind of your first mentors right you

know so got to expose myself to a whole gamut of different fields and and areas of expertise and understanding and you know very different environments too you know with my mother i was out um on some land with some horses out in the valley and my father was in a big house you know on the beach and you know there was it's just a a lot of different environments and i think that kind of opened my mind to the possibility of continuing to learn and grow and uh you know my grandma played a big part in all that too. She was amazing. I have her tattooed in my arm actually. But, um, but it was just like a really well-rounded experience that still, you know, had plenty of challenges. I think kids,

you know, you can curse the challenges you have, or you can thank them as blessings. You know, my dad had a lot of anger and a lot of, um, judgment and a lot of judgment and a lot of things that a lot of fathers have. But ultimately, you know, that combination of love plus, plus pressure, plus, you know, the open-mindedness of all of those different, you know, early mentors and my parents, you know, yielded a result that I can say I'm super blessed to have had. Did you have a lot of encouragement and nourishment from the family to, you know, kind of be a free thinker, be creative, do things a little differently, go to the beat of your own drum maybe? Yes and no. You know, I mean, I think there was, especially for my mom, there was always love there and support for for that you know my father was more traditional you know

wanted me to go into finance wanted me to find you know find a path that he knew and could understand um but you know it was ultimately supportive um of the decisions that i would make you know but uh but certainly like definitely wanted me to get a job at Goldman Sachs, you know, and that, that really wasn't for me. So, um, yeah, so it was kind of a combination. Now you had a lot of different jobs over the years. You, you tried a bunch of different things. Some things, uh, didn't quite stick the way that you, uh, wanted. How did, uh, this idea of having this, um, uh, supplement company that are really optimizing people's health. How did that come to be? Well, I did try a lot of things and most of them failed, to be honest. You know, it was a litany of failure that I really, in all these things, I tried.

And I think it was because I was trying to create something that the market would like. And I was trying to like build this widget or build this thing that some, somebody would find valuable. And, and then the difference with on it was this was something that I was genuinely passionate about. I mean, I, I was and have been taking supplements for performance, whether it was on the basketball court or taking a test in school or, you know, all through my life, I've been doing these things, optimizing my health and performance from when I was young. And it's something that I am extremely passionate about. And I think that was the difference with Donna. The difference was this was something that I

loved. I was making products for me and that's just a much more potent position to be in. Yeah. You've mentioned in the past that it had to kind of serve your purpose. And I think that's a really wonderful message to get out there to people that, that what you're doing, if it does serve your purpose, then maybe it's going to be that much easier to stick with it. Maybe it'd be that much easier to create a great product, to create a great brand. Is that right? Yeah, totally. I mean, I think if you're not a customer of your company, you're going to have a hard time. You're going to really have a hard time because you're always going to be imagining what that customer would want and

creating an avatar and wondering if that avatar likes it rather than just wondering like, hey, do I like this? Do I use this? You talk about a lot of stuff that I don't hear a lot of other men talk about. You talk a lot about love. You talk a lot about fear. You talk a lot about joy and happiness and sadness, and you kind of go down these kind of deep, uh, tunnels that, uh, for a lot of us guys, you know, it's not, not a, not a safe, not a, yeah, not a safe, not a safe place to go to sometimes, you know, and then especially, um, with what on academy, uh, represents and you guys are, what Ana Academy represents. And you guys are, you know, heavily, heavily tied into the MMA background and UFC and things like that.

These things that we kind of perceive to be masculine or macho and none of us ever get sad and none of us can talk about relationships. And you go the exact opposite way and you talk a lot of, you share a lot of information on relationships. you go the exact opposite way and you talk a lot of, you share a lot of information on relationships. Um, what do you think, what do you think you're, um, you're trying to, uh, maybe like uncover, discover or share, uh, with your audience about relationships, about love? Well, I, the thing is that I'm not trying to share particularly anything with my audience.

Like this isn't a strategy of like, oh, let's let me do this so I can share this story. You know, this is my story and it's my journey to uncover my own fears and my own desires for love and the purest form of love, the highest expression of love that I can find. And my commitment, you know, is to just share what I'm experiencing, share what I'm going through. And, uh, you know, so I've been, you know, I jumped into this open relationship experiment with my fiance Whitney, and it's been one of the most challenging and rewarding experiences I've ever gone through. I mean, nothing has ever been harder than that. And I joke, I joke around this past year was definitely the hardest year. 2018 was the hardest year. It was also a year I got into a car wreck and a guardrail came through my windshield and split my face in half and I woke up in the hospital and I'd laugh. I jokingly say,

like, let me tell you the hardest thing that happened to me in 2018 it was when i got into the car wreck you know because the challenge the emotional challenges of the relationship um were one two three four five really i mean they were there were so many challenging elements and deep insecurities and fears and needs for validation that i had to confront that i don't think I ever would have been able to confront if I didn't allow that, uh, the pressure of this type of relationship to expose where I had these insecurities and expose where I had these fears. So yeah, it's been something that I've been pretty open about. And that's again, just my commitment to it.

Um, you know, and it's's not like and then some people really appreciate and enjoy hearing it and some people are like shut the fuck up already like we don't care do what you want and i'm like i know sorry but like what else am i going to talk about what do you want me to talk about like you want me to talk about fucking weightlifting today i don't care about weightlifting today i cared about weightlifting like a week ago but not today today i'm like weightlifting for my heart, you know? So, um, you know, it's just, uh, and I think it's just releasing that idea of needing to, you know, have some grand strategy and just saying like, look, I'm, I'm a human, I'm going through stuff. A lot of times that's going to resonate with what you're going through. And, uh, so I'm just

going to talk about it. You seem like, uh, you know, you're a very enlightened person for lack of a better term. Um, and, uh, I think when you run into people that are enlightened, you kind of recognize, you know, you run into someone like a Paul check or Kyle Kingsbury, like you realize these people are different thinkers than, than maybe, uh, kind of ordinary person that, that really is focused on their nine to five. They're focused on where their next paycheck's coming from. And maybe they got kind of caught up in really just paying attention to the day-to-day and they can't really think a lot deeper than that or just never have or never been exposed to it. What are some things that you've been exposed to over the last couple

of years that have really helped you, that helped you grow, you know, physically, mentally, in all aspects of your life? Well, I mean, I've been on a pretty consistent ceremonial plant medicine journey since I was 18. It started with a vision quest. AKA getting high. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, that's definitely one way to look at it i mean sometimes it's getting real low you know like that's the that's the interesting thing like high has that

connotation that it's going to be fun you know but you do ayahuasca in the jungle most of the time it's not going to be fun most of the time you're going to be confronting your deepest darkest fears in the scariest place pitch black in the middle of a jungle with someone singing songs that have been, that are 3000 years old in the pitch dark as you're nauseous, vomitous, think you're going to die, might be shitting your pants and, and, and reality is slipping away really quickly. That experience I wouldn't call exactly getting high, you know, that's really getting low and deep and in and so that some of those experiences have been really valuable and

then there's been also you know the lighter experiences like the meditations and the stillness and the floating uh sensory deprivation tanks and um time in nature and then there's been the learning you know the the great books that i've been able to read, books by like Ted Decker and Paul Selig and some of my spiritual mentors. So it's been kind of a combination of these like experiential practices and that could be plant medicine, that could be sweat lodge, that could be, you know, and then the kind of daily practices like meditation, yoga, stillness, and then the learning and then yeah I mean it's just that whole kind of gamut of all of the different ways and just being open-minded and not not feeling like you have to defend who you were yesterday you know like know that you know you you called me enlightened but really I realized pretty much every week what

a dumbass i was the week prior so i don't know if i would necessarily agree with you because i was like man i was an idiot last week you know and man i was an idiot the week after that because you just it's always just deeper levels of awakening and you awaken to your own patterns and fears and programming and all these things so it's a journey that, that seemingly doesn't really end. You kind of mentioned defending, like defending your past. I really like, I really liked that message. That's, that's awesome. Something that I'm fascinated with is people trying to make changes, people trying to make progress. You know, I define success as simply just

making progress from where you were before. And, uh, I think we can all agree that each person possesses the ability to make some sort of progress. They possess the ability to take one foot and put it in front of the other. And we're at all different points in our life. We're at different stages in our life. There are some people that are where the rock is and there's some people that, that aren't right. But what- Some people who are just a rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. What I'm fascinated with is this ability to try to make positive changes in your life and to, you know, maybe for a lot of, for so many Americans, it's, it's just to lose weight. You know, it's a act of, quote unquote, simple act of losing weight is

something that a lot of people are just trying to do. One thing that I think that is really connected to losing weight is that you're the byproduct of everything that you ever heard about yourself. You're the byproduct of everything that you ever thought about yourself. You're the byproduct of everything that you think other people think about you. So you end up in this really tough spot and it's not really just this caloric mystery of trying to figure out how to burn calories and what to eat. And it gets to be so tied into like your DNA. It's so tied into like every cell in your body. And yes, you can just say, Hey man, just stop, just stop eating so much food. You'll, you'll make some progress. You'll lose some weight, but it's so much harder than that and so what are some things that

you've seen through fitness um being able to help change people's lives and be able to maybe give them some new perspective and where they can get their lives locked in and they can kind of take themselves on a different journey maybe well i think you really have to understand that you are not, you know, you are not tethered to your past and you're not tethered to what people think about you. And at any point you can actively volitionally with your own intention, cut the ties to all of that and say, today I am a different person. Like today I am a little different than I've ever been and I'm going to strike out and do things differently today and think about things differently

and fuck what everybody else thinks about me. Fuck, they only know the old me. You know, and as someone who's transformed a lot in my life, like I even changed my name when I was 30 years old. You know, I took my grandfather's name, which was really my middle name. I used to go by Chris. Now I go by Aubrey.

And there'll be some people who want to show me how long they've known me and will try to keep calling me my old name. And I'm like, I get it. You knew me back then, but that's not me. So I know what you're doing, like just call me my name you know like this is my name now this is like what i want to be called you know and uh and so it's it's but people will people will always hold on to your past the way they knew you and the way that they were comfortable knowing you you know so you can't allow that to make you conform to the place they want to put you like they want to put you. Like, they want to put you in

this room. Like, you don't have to stay in that room. You can evolve. And eventually, they'll either be comfortable with you as you actually are, or they won't be. And they, you know, they'll find their way out of your life. But don't allow somebody else's opinion. And then, but I think more important, it's our own opinion of ourselves. We think we are the person we've always been and we don't have to be, you know, we can be somebody different. And I think that was one of the premises of my book on the day on your life was like, fuck all of the, everything that's happened. Let's just do one day, like just do one day different.

Just decide this fucking day is going to be different than yesterday. And here's the ways that it's going to happen. And then maybe you'll string another one of those days. Maybe the next time you do a day like that, it's a week later, whatever. But like, you know how to do a good day. And then that starts to build the habit and the habituation for a different understanding of the self. And then you'll start looking at yourself differently.

Like, you know, one example, if you think you're afraid and you don't think you have a lot of courage and the willpower to change when you go in to take your hot shower turn the nozzle all the way cold just do that and not only will you have the benefit of taking a cold shower but you'll also look at yourself a little differently you'll look at yourself like oh i'm of a badass. I just turned that shower nozzle cold and took a cold shower even when I didn't want to. And like, you'll already start thinking about yourself differently. And so that moment you are a different person. You're a person with a little more courage that you know. And so I think things can shift kind of quickly. Why did you change your name? things can shift kind of quickly why did you change your name well there's a bunch of reasons actually so my legal name was michael marcus which was my father's name so everybody started calling

me chris marcus so but on all my so all my like driver's license everything was michael aubrey christopher marcus and so i would like check into a hotel or I would register for something I'd pull out my driver's license and it was Michael and I'd never been called Michael my whole life so that was a mess um and then I just honestly Chris was a random name that was made up but Aubrey was my grandfather he was my grandfather on my mother's side and even though I hadn't got to meet him because he died before I was born I'd always felt a connection with him through the books his favorite books were my favorite books like the way that he looked at life was always told it was similar to mine so um I just decided I did it was either I changed my name officially to Chris or I could make a different change and

I decided to change it to Aubrey and it also coincided with my first big ayahuasca journey which kind of marked the timing and I was that was me basically saying like I went through this really intense experience down in Peru and I said okay from this day forward I'm a different person and as a signifier of that I'm going to do my name change now a lot of people like to romanticize that story about me and say like i did ayahuasca and change my name like that was part of it but that was just the moment that i decided to do the thing that i was already intending to do for you know convenience purposes um but yeah i mean i think it was a really powerful point where I got to kind of put Chris and all of his old bad habits and all of his old insecurities and fears and needs and depressions and all of that. And I

got to put a little line in the sand, not that I didn't bring a lot of that shit still forward with me, but I got to put a little line in the sand and say, okay, I'm leaving that part behind. It may take me a while to leave that place, but this is my intention. What are these ceremonies like? The only thing that pops up into my head, and I've never gone through any of this, but like the only thing that pops up in my head that I can think of that would be remotely similar to what our audience can maybe digest would be like sobriety. So like from that day forward, you know, when you changed your name and you, I obviously you, you did mention that you carried, carried some things forward

with you, uh, you know, into your new self, I guess you'd say. Um, but what was it kind of like that experience of like, uh, like I'm not going to fall into these bad habits again. These, these are my new habits. I'm a new person. Sure. It was, it wasn't as, it wasn't as binary as sobriety. Sobriety is really black and white, right? So it's like either you put the drink to your lips or you don't, you know, it's like either you take the pill or you don't take the pill. Um, that, that is like, it's, it's black or white, it's off or on, it's one or zero, you know, it's binary. Whereas when you're trying to make deep emotional change, psychological change, or even physical change, you know, even a diet or something like that, like very rarely can you say like, all right, I'm going keto and I'm not eating any carbs. And then you actually don't eat any

carbs. Usually you'll start transitioning and have a little more fats and whatever. And psychologically, emotionally, it's even slipperier. You can say like, all right, I'm not going to beat myself up anymore. I'm not going to call myself a loser anymore. And, you know, it's a good intention and it might make some help, but something's going to happen and you're still going to slip back into that emotional muscle memory, those emotional patterns that you've developed. You just have to have a little bit more awareness and a little bit more ability to transform that and, and, uh, and, you know, rise above those, uh, those tendencies.

So a lot of people think these, uh, psychedelic drugs and some of the things that you, uh, talk about often, um, a lot of people just think, you know, this is just an escape from reality or however they want to put it. A lot of people just think it's know, this is just an escape from reality or however they want to put it. A lot of people just think it's weird. Let's just say it that way, I guess. And you know, I know that for you and for a lot of other people, it's not about that. You're mentioning it as medicine and yeah, I'm sure occasionally like you just do something, have a drink or you smoke some marijuana or something. And it's just purely just cause, uh, for relaxation, maybe for social purposes, things of that nature. But I think most of the time, what I'm hearing you talk about is

these, uh, different medications and these different mushrooms and different things. They can just take you to places that maybe otherwise you can't figure out how to get to on your own. Is that kind of how it works? Yeah, absolutely. It'll, it'll open up, you know, different ways of thinking, different insights. It'll move behind blockages. Like you could have what appears like a stone wall, a brick wall in your mind, an area that you can't go past. And, you know, taking a psychedelic can allow you to elevate above and see beyond that a psychedelic can allow you to elevate above and see beyond that position it can allow you to actually see that what looked like a uh you know an unbroken chain in the wall actually was separated by 10 feet and there was a little

place that you could go you know behind it and it'll just allow you to see things from a radically different perspective a lot of times and sometimes that means i'm really looking at your fear you know the things that you're afraid of i'm afraid of dying i'm afraid of not being worthy enough i'm afraid of or i have trauma around these certain things and it's you know it's not only the kind of anecdotal experiential stories from these psychedelics now we got like really good research you know maps and hefter putting these through phase two clinical trials psilocybin has been shown to cure end-of-life anxiety and 80 of the people it's been given to and that's the active ingredient mushrooms and mdma is curing two out of curing we're not talking

about treating curing two out of three people who have uh treatment resistant post-traumatic stress disorder and this just got fast-tracked by the FDA. So these are going to be legal drugs and actually recognized as medicines within the next three years, a lot of them. And there's so many others for addiction and for different other purposes because really we need tools to be able to see ourselves and see why we're doing things in a really powerful way in order to change. If we're blinding ourselves to the choices we're making, then we're not going to be able to have

any agency over them. We're not going to be able to change them. And I think psychedelics do a really good job of shifting your perspective so that you can get some of that agency and free will back. A bodybuilder might take growth hormone or, or power lifter might take growth hormone, steroids, all these different things, uh, for muscle growth. Um, but what you're referring to is probably an expansion of your mind, expansion of your soul, maybe an expansion of your spirit, something along those lines. Well, you know, you're, the interesting thing is, is like, I don't know if any of that stuff actually expands.

It's just, it might always be there in its fullest, you know, most perfect form, but we're just obscuring it. It's like, it's like saying, did the clouds make the sun go away? No, they just blocked the view and the vantage of the sun and i think really what these things are doing is they're starting to move the clouds around so that we can see the truth of who we are and the truth of our spiritual and beauty you know and i don't so so yes in a way and it feels like you're getting spiritual growth but really maybe you're just removing this is the spiritual blinding and all of the

clouds that we've put in the way of really seeing the truth of who we are. I think when I was on your podcast, you were mentioning some of these drugs, even assisting people coping with traumatic life experiences such as rape and things of that nature. Yeah. I mean, this is treatment resistant post-traumatic stress disorder. And this goes from first responders like firefighters and police officers to military, to people with deep childhood trauma. And there's a people who've tried those cocktails of 10 different, um, you know, pharmaceutical drugs, and it hasn't been able to even touch their PTSD. And, you know, they, they rank these PTSD

scores and maybe it'll move it down from a 65 to a 60 when they're on 10 drugs with a bunch of side effects, but it's still a deep and devastating part of their expression in life. And then on, on, you know, three, uh, MDMAma assisted psychotherapy sessions which is run by an organization called maps maps.org um people will be cured of their trauma their trauma scores will go below the threshold like below 10 below the threshold of where they would even categorize it as post-traumatic stress disorder and continue to get better even without the continued use of the drug. So in follow-up longitudinal studies about these patients who've gone through the process, they just continue to even get better as the years go on

instead of it getting worse or compounding or staying the same. So it's a legitimate cure. And that's a paradigm we don't have too often in medicine. I mean, we have it with antibiotics, I guess, right? Like you take a 10-day cycle and you actually cure your strep throat. But for most of the psychological conditions, they're creating dependencies. And, you know, this is an area to kind of break that paradigm and break through that paradigm. And it's no longer dependency. We're talking about curing and then allowing the body to continue to clean up the mess.

I've been around some people before that are into some of the things you're into. And, and, uh, you know, when it comes to something like alcohol, they really don't drink it that often. And I've asked them why, and I just say, well, it's just not my first choice. And it kind of is just an interesting topic because alcohol is like so accepted by society. It's not a, not my first choice. And it kind of is just an interesting topic because alcohol is like so accepted by society. It's not a, not a big deal. Right. And marijuana, I guess is, is, um, you know, getting more and more acceptance, uh, over the years, but it's just really interesting that somebody like they'll, they'll freak out about like a mushroom or something. But meanwhile, you know, they might be on a bunch of different weird medications that they don't even know the

names of. And like, dude, like you're so weird weird why are you doing that shit you know and and it's like they're on a bunch of crap themselves right yeah yeah and and it's this it's a strange thing where you know i mean we're transitioning from this paradigm where we think oh yeah the government knows best and then in the media outlets or really have our best interest in mind and as you start to like realize like oh actually no they all have their own agendas and their own fears and actually that's not the best place of information and advice you know the food pyramid is a fucking joke like when you're actually looking at what's nutritionally valid and so is the scheduling of these drugs you know like the fact that marijuana was you know scheduled the

way it was and then some of these highly addictive painkillers are scheduled the way they are and and treated like one is okay and acceptable and the other isn't is like it's really mind-boggling and it just exposes the fact that all right well we can't we have to think for ourselves basically you know and it's and that's the lesson that i think a lot of us are learning but we can't, we have to think for ourselves basically, you know, and it's, and that's the lesson that I think a lot of us are learning, but we don't realize how much patterning and programming has been put in place to reinforce a lot of these bad ideas. And a lot of these drugs have to be highly respected too, right? I mean, these, these are not some of the, uh, uh, the ayahuasca and things like that, these are not things that you just haphazardly light yourself up with, right? I've never seen anybody recreationally take ayahuasca.

It's not fun. You feel nauseous. You might shit your pants. And you typically confront your worst fears. Now, you might have a pleasurable experience. And it might be like you might be speaking to spirit guides and traveling the celestial plane bouncing on stars like that happens sometimes most of the time you're going to be in your shit you know like literally and and metaphysically and um and so it's it's it's funny when people you know even even people who are sober will be like well

you know i don't do drugs i'm sober i'm like this is not doing drugs the same way or drinking alcohol the same way that you think it is this is not you doing this recreationally you're not going to get addicted to this i fucking promise you you know what i mean like it's a and it's not for everybody and i'm not saying everybody should and i think if people have you know don't definitely don't do it if you're not called to it and it doesn't sound right. And be really careful where you do it because these are really powerful experiences. And so, you know, I'm, I think I used to be more of an advocate, like everybody's got

to try this. And now I'm like, no, like only, only try it if you really, really want to. And you really have a good set and setting. Uh, cause these are really powerful, powerful things that shouldn't be trifled with. But going back to my point, it almost brings a hyper-consciousness rather than people talk about, oh, I was drinking so much, I blacked out, I don't remember what I did. It's like the opposite. You have memories of these things and a knowledge of yourself that's even greater than any time you've ever had. You know, you feel actually more in control of your own faculties than ever before a lot of times on these medicines and psychedelics. So it's a really different paradigm and it's a shame that they all kind

of get lumped in the same category because I drink too you know and i i drink and i've done plenty of recreational things you know like um and they're different and you just treat them different and like you recognize how different they are and when you have the experiences of both of them you realize like okay this one's recreational and this one you know isn't now it doesn't mean that someone can't use some of these medicines recreationally and and even i have like i've taken mushrooms at a festival just for the music you know and it was its own form of celebration ceremony but i've i've stopped doing that because i have such a reverence for mushrooms and psilocybin as a medicine that

I don't want to use it recreationally anymore, but it is possible to use these things recreationally. I'm not saying it's not possible, but with the right intention, it can really yield the maximum benefit. And I do think that it isn't possible to do something like ayahuasca recreationally. It just doesn't lend itself to the pleasure ride. What do you think the most misunderstood thing is about, uh, an open marriage, open relationship? Everything. I mean, everything, like people think it means you don't love each other. People think it means you're disloyal.

People think it means you're a sex fiend. it means you're disloyal people think it means you're a sex fiend you know people have all of these ideas um that are just not true you know i mean i think me and whitney have been in an open relationship for five years and um you know she's actually off seeing her boyfriend now in the bahamas left this morning and you know for most people on the outside like oh my god that's devastating you know like how could you handle it and it was for a while to be frank and that's what i was talking about earlier the the five hardest things that weren't my near-death crash crash accident last year like i had to deal with a lot of different stuff but those these are things that you can overcome with love for her love for myself love for her enjoyment of life and her

experience and love for my own enjoyment of life and my experience. These are things that can be overcome. These aren't things that are permanent. These are things that we've created. And, and I feel like, you know, when we've done that, it's created a much deeper, freer love than we've ever had. And you want to talk about. You know. What's really loyal. And what's not. What's really faithful. And what's not. Like.

Talk about honesty. I mean. I literally get to have. A 100%. Honest. Relationship. With Whitney. Where.

If I want to have sex with somebody. Or I am having sex with somebody. We can talk about it. And if she wants to have sex with somebody. Or wants to. Or is having sex. We can talk about it. If we find someone attractive. Of course we talk about it and if she wants to have sex with somebody or wants to or is having sex we can talk about it if we find someone attractive of course we talk about it because we're able to even have sex with them if we want like and we're able to like like what is there possibly to fucking lie about anymore and like and so you want to talk about faithful fidelity

like we are we're we are absolutely acting in each other's accord, but people think that that is a, that is an attribute of your fucking genitals when really it's an attribute of your honesty and an attribute of your heart. And so I think that's one of the biggest misunderstandings. Now, again, just like with these psychedelics, am I saying everybody should be in an open relationship? Fuck no. It's been so hard.

It's been like grueling and brutal and and one of the most difficult things but it has been the thing just like these psychedelics that have taught me the most about myself and given me the most growth so you just have to be ready for the challenges and understand that all right this is going to hurt a lot but it's going to teach me some things that i may not ever get to learn otherwise. Must be a huge learning curve with all that, right? I mean, what, what you can talk about and maybe like what, you know, cause you said you can be very open, but you also probably don't want to be like hurtful, you know, and you might, you know, you might say something about someone else and it might make the other person might cause some jealousy and some things like

that. So you guys have some things that are, uh, there's gotta be some things that are a little bit out of bounds or, you know, you might have to say, Hey, look, that, that kind of bugs me too much to hear, or I can't handle it or something. Yeah. I mean, you start off with a lot of rules and a lot of, like a lot of, uh, caution and, but actually the caution, the caution, you can sense it in the other person. And it's actually more terrifying than, than the truth, to be honest. Right. So like if, uh, you know, if Whitney has, let's, let's propose a really challenging example, right? Like Whitney has a, a first sex experience with a new lover, right?

So she's sleeping with somebody for the first time. And, you know know if i ask so how was it you know and we don't share a lot of the nitty-gritty details but if i ask how was it and she goes oh yeah fine and kind of like like like gets weird about it i'm gonna be like what the fuck happened like that must have been like you know because i'll sense that she's holding something back right right and i'll sense that there's it something back, right? Right. And I'll sense that it's a big deal. Whereas if she's like, yeah, it was really good. Everything was good.

And it feels truthful and honest. And I'm like, okay, yeah, really good. That's good. And it just feels more comfortable, right? And so we can sense this kind of withholding and this dishonesty. And it actually, our brain and our imagination will magnify it a thousand times into something much worse than actual truth so it's like i have this saying that i've developed from being in open relationship uh it's worse than you hope but better than you think you know

right so like you always hope that it's like oh i hope it was terrible and i hope you had a micro penis and i hope like that was i mean i don't hope that anymore because I genuinely want happiness. But early in the days, you have this competitive things and it's never that it's not it's worse than you hope. But it's better than you think. He's also not, you know, just slaying with a, you know, huge, you know, like it's like, it's not, it's not as, it's not as, you know, it's not as not that bad. So over here, we call it a katana. Yeah, exactly.

Slaying it with a katana. It must, yeah, like I said, it must be a huge learning curve and it must take, it must take a lot of time. How long have you guys been together for? We've been together seven years. The first two were monogamous and the last five were open and then like where did this uh where'd this idea come from and how did it get uh proposed well it came from first and understanding that um i read dr chris ryan's

book sex at dawn and started to understand like the true nature of human sexual history and anthropology and biology and that was the kind of first um the first kind of eye-opening experience being like oh well women do want sex as much as men and actually in the historical records except for maybe the last five or 10,000 years, there was a much different viewpoint on female sexuality in particular. Cause I had this kind of idea that we were all supposed to be like a pride of lions, you know, or, uh, you know, a herd of cows with one bull and the bull fought off the other bulls and the women didn't, you know, get to have any other men.

And I was in this kind of paradigm where that was my model. And then wreck it. Because that's what's kind of been played out in our kind of popular culture too. And but, you know, I felt my own desire for new experience and novelty and to experience other people. But I was kind of committed to my own morality of honesty so i wasn't a cheater ever but i would so i would end up just splitting up with people and i was feeling that urge to split up with whitney after the first two years just because it was like i'm ready to go experience something else and go experience something new and see what else is out there and

that was just kind of my natural urge but instead i'd read that book and i was like and also through all my philosophical and spiritual work started to understand that you know love can be viewed in abundance and that you don't need to possess love and in fact you can't possess love because love is wild in its nature um and i always use the example like if a mother has her second child no one says how does it feel to love your first child half as much now that you have your second one you know what i mean like everybody's like oh well she loves them both the same and and as much you know so so i had these philosophical ideas and i had the sexual you know historical underpinnings from sex at dawn and i had my own imperative that i was

either going to break up or i needed to do something that would change this paradigm of breaking up in 18 month cycles 18 month to two year cycles which i've done habitually my whole life so i could go experience something else and sometimes get back together with that person after i've had my experience you know so I just suggested open relationship and at first Whitney was like fuck no like see you later and so we actually split up for three months and then eventually she was like you don't like I think I might like this too because she'd and she's open about this she cheated on every boyfriend she'd ever been with and um not me supposedly but you

know who knows we maybe that's one level of truth we haven't got to yet but uh but you know she's she's understood her own desire for novelty and her own desire for new experience as well and uh so we decided to embark on the journey and we did you know we were kind of like fumbling around in the dark like trying to figure shit out. And we had some guidance, fortunately, but there's never enough guidance in something that's as uncharted as this. So you learn from a lot of experience. You learn what hot is by putting your hand in a fire. You learn where there's, you know, low clearance for your head by smashing your face on things. And, you know, we're just fumbling around figuring stuff out. And I think, um, I'm finally feeling like we're,

we're in a place where we've got enough figured out that we can really enjoy this, but it's been a, it's been a hell of a journey. I got a visual of, uh, all of our listeners buying that book and being like, Hey babe, come check out this book, trying to read it to them every night. And that, but you know, so it's a a funny thing because i mentioned this to a lot of my guy friends and they are there so it's so public everybody knows now who knows me um and they're like oh man sounds amazing you know you get to sleep with other girls i was like yeah cool yeah yeah That's amazing. But imagine the girl you fucking love. And imagine some dude you don't know getting to fuck her. And you're at home alone all night.

She's out in bed with him. And the next morning with him. Like, you cool with that? Yeah. Because if you're cool with that, then this might be for you. And they're like, fuck, no. I'm not cool with that. Like, never. And that's the the paradox right like it's obviously everybody knows their own desires but it's hard to

cope and manage with your partner exercising those same desires you know it's like one thing to say like oh i could do it and i would still love you but they can't do it because they won't love me you know it's we have this kind of double standard, and it goes both sides. It goes both for men and women. Hey, Aubrey, you and Whitney have been engaged for a little while now. If you guys move on to the next step and become husband and wife, is this open relationship thing going to continue on through marriage as well? You know, I think that the thing about being open is it's not like a

religion where you have to you know officially change and go to a different church and like it's a dramatic if i go from open we go from open to monogamous it's like a big deal we have to fucking make an announcement and do a ceremony or something like that like at any point we could just decide not to see other lovers and then we're monogamous by default right but i don't think there'll ever be a point where one of us would go to the other one and say like hey i met this person and i really want to like experience what it would be like to be with this person and us go like no fucking way you know like that's never going to be the case but can i imagine periods of a year two years five years ten years maybe indefinitely where we're just like

nah we're good like i'm not just really i'm not called to be with anybody right now and so like i could for sure imagine that but i think it's just bringing monogamy back to being a choice and it's just a choice that we could choose at any point and may choose at different points and and that's going to be kind of the way we're going to roll with it you guys have uh different dating apps on your phone you're both sitting next to each other swiping left and right that would be funny yeah i mean i think there's obviously like um one of the things that happens is is that you start to really prioritize and enjoy the time you do have together because when you've when you have another person and you're not with each other constantly then the time that you have together once again becomes precious it's like the start

of a relationship again. You know, so when she gets back from the Bahamas and her boyfriend and I see her again, it's going to be like, yay, like we get to see each other. So actually the phones don't even come out of the purse. You know, they don't even come out of the pocket. It's like just like they wouldn't on a date in an early relationship. Right. You know. And so that's the beautiful part um but then you know again like we're together you know we spend 30 days in a row together like we just did basically and you know by the by the end by week four of that stretch

we're kind of back to that comfortable slightly taking each other for granted kind of way it's just normal for people to do that you kind of just take each other for granted kind of way. It's just normal for people to do that. You kind of just take each other for granted. And then this adds that kind of break and that time apart and that, um, you know, kind of freshness of experience so that in reconnection, you know, a lot of that passion and a lot of that excitement to be around each other that people miss in a relationship, uh, comes rushing back. And that's one of the real benefits. There's a lot of pain, you know, as I mentioned, but that's one of the real benefits is appreciating your partner. Um, just like you did when you first met her. What are some things

that have, um, really helped, uh, grow on it? You know, I know, I know the company has been around for quite some time now and you have uh about 100 and 150 employees or so last time i was down there um you just got like room after room of cool shit going on you got uh the mace classes going on you got kettlebell certifications you got all kinds of different things going on in that throughout the facility a lot of awesome employees that were showing me around and it looks like you have just an amazing team. What's something that maybe you've done in the last maybe few years that really helps you hone in on the business and turn it into what it's becoming?

Well, I think it's staying true to that same North Star. I don't put out anything that I wouldn't be a customer of. We don't put out articles that i wouldn't be a customer of i don't we don't put out articles that i wouldn't be a reader of we don't put out um products that i wouldn't that i don't use you know it's just really following the path of like what you know what is what is something that i find fucking awesome and like what are the things that other people that i know would find fucking awesome like whether it's an athlete or whether it's one of our influencers, whether it's me, like what are the things that we collectively love? And just using that really as our North star and trying to be as true and authentic to

our customers and each other as possible. And, uh, really help people understand that this idea behind Onnit isn't just some kind of paper mache marketing front. Onnit means something. It means something to the people here. It means something to me. And it means something to so many of our customers. And I think that's what's really important is that there's substance to what we're doing. The timing of everything is really interesting because you mentioned how you had a few things

that weren't successful. You failed a bunch of times. And I've heard you say that the young Aubrey Marcus wouldn't have been able to handle on it, wouldn't have been able to run it and execute it effectively. And then the timing of meeting Joe Rogan, I think as you were forging these products together, as you were making alpha brain and things like that. And I think it was even before Joe, uh, even had a podcast, right? So the timing of these things, um, just seems incredible, but it's, you know, for people that are struggling right now, and they're kind of going through a hard time trying to figure things out, the stuff that you're going through, there's, there's a lot of deep seated reasons for it. And maybe it's, uh, uh you know maybe these setbacks and some of the things you go through maybe it's just

a setup for something big in the future right yeah i mean i think you have to respect that where you are right now might be exactly the place you're meant to be you know um i think there's, there's a great, uh, quote by a Sufi poet. His name is Hafez and Hafez says, uh, where you are right now, God circled that spot for you on a map, you know, like, and it's this idea, like no matter what you're going through, even if you're struggling with addiction, even if you're struggling with what, you know, bills and depression or anything that you're going through, like, like yeah this is not the place that you want to be forever like it's okay to acknowledge that but it's also okay to acknowledge that maybe this is exactly the place you need to be so you can learn the lessons and become the person who's overcome those challenges you know like these challenges

that are here are your opportunity to become the person that overcame these challenges and so where you are right now however low and however bad it is is exactly the place you're supposed to be and it's exactly the timing that's supposed to happen like you said you know if i would have had on it five years earlier i think i would have screwed it up because my ego was too big and my desire to be successful was too big. You know, like I needed to be able to hold the truth of what we stand for, you know, and be strong enough myself internally to be able to run this company. So, you know, everything happened in the timing and the way that it absolutely should. And I think we all look at that,

look back at our lives and can say that for the most part in hindsight, like, yeah, everything was perfect, but in the moment we're like, everything sucks. You know, I suck and everything sucks. Whereas, you know, we just don't have that hindsight yet that using foresight, you know, to give you the proper, um, using hindsight as fore as foresight right like being able to look towards the future of your life the same way that you look back at the past of your life and recognize that i'm grateful for everything that happened well i'm grateful for everything that will happen because one day that will be my hindsight you know what i mean and that's i think the perspective we need to take um and that's really challenging but when you can get there and trust that where you

are right now is where you're supposed to be, you know, it takes a lot of that pain away. How did this, uh, strong relationship and strong tie to, uh, Joe Rogan, uh, come to be? So I admired him. I saw his comedy and his podcast did start and started listening to his podcast. And I noticed he didn't have any advertisers on his podcast and i'd kind of seen him after a comedy show and i really felt like we could have some really cool conversations we were both into the same shit um and but you know it's it's hard when you're just a fan to do it so it's like well um you know i have a company fleshlight who is a company I was representing in my marketing company. And like, uh, maybe Joe will accept them as an advertiser on his podcast.

And, uh, and so I set up a meeting and, um, to work out the details for that. And that meeting that was a 30 minute business meeting turned into a four hour, uh, dinner and where we just talked about aliens and super volcanoes and just became friends. And so we were friends for two or three years. And then one day I asked him, hey, Joe, what supplement would you like to take the most? And he said, all-natural cognitive enhancer, nootropic. And that was actually the reason why I created AlphaBrain in the first place was that Joe said that that would be the supplement he wanted to take the most. And that was the start of our business partnership.

That's pretty damn awesome. What do you think has given people more satisfaction, your fleshlight or on it? Hard to say, right? Yeah, well, you know, maybe you need a little bit of both. As you're getting on it and getting your shit together and getting your best self forward, until then, maybe you're not getting laid, so maybe you need the fleshlight to kind of hold you over until you are actually your best self and can get out there and feel confident enough to get out there in the market and meet real people. Do you want to have kids at some point? It's an interesting question. You know, I, I, um, I know how much of an investment of time and energy and resources you have to put into your kids and that's time, energy resources and vitality that I could also put into my greater mission, my message, my, um,

the books that I write, the things, and what is, what is of the greatest value to me and what is of the greatest value to the world? Is it putting all of that energy into a child or is it continuing to put it all into my book children and my podcast children and my, you know, like all of these other areas. And I haven't really come to a clear conclusion on all that. Um, so we'll see, you know, we'll see, I think I'm 37 now. So obviously for men, we got a little longer window, Whitney's still 29. And, um, so she's got a, at least a couple more years, you know, before we have to really start thinking about that

if Whitney and I stay together and that looks like a path that we want to explore. I don't want to take up any more of your time, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Is there anything new over there on it that you want to recommend our audience go pick up on your website or any new books you got out or anything like that?

No, I mean, I think we're always coming out with new stuff. Um, if you haven't tried our protein bars or protein bites, they're super delicious and under five grams of, of, uh, of sugar in there. So, uh, good for you too, made from 60 different plants. That's something that, um, is kind of a unappreciated gem of what we have here in our offerings and we got a lot of cool stuff i'd just say you know poke around poke around and look and see if anything captures your fancy and we got a you know really easy liberal return policy so if you don't like something just let us know and get your money back you know so but i know that there's things in here that you'll love because you know me and you aren't that different we're all humans and you know this stuff is awesome i use it all all the time so i have a lot of confidence that you'll love because, you know, me and you aren't that different. We're all humans and,

you know, this stuff is awesome. I use it all, all the time. So I have a lot of confidence that you'll enjoy it. What's been the, uh, the heart, the hardest part of, uh, getting this supplement company off the ground? Well, um, you know, there's a, there's just learning the unknown, you know, is really the hardest part. It's just knowing that you have to do your best based on the information that you have and then know that that information is going to improve. And know that you're going to be wrong sometimes and you're going to make bets on things and that aren't going to work out and aren't going to pan out. And it's just that willingness to continue to move forward and learn and not try to back up your wrong mistakes and just be honest and truthful about the whole process. Again, I appreciate your time. I get so much out of listening to your podcast, uh, some of the interviews that you did with,

uh, Paul check. And I know Andrew over here has been a huge fan of yours for a very long time. He's read your book and, and we, we get a lot of great information from you. Great resource. And you're a great person to, to meet and to rub elbows with. Appreciate you a lot,

man. Thank you, brother. Yeah. I appreciate you too, man. It's been a, it's been great to hang and chat on,

on both of these venues now. So I'm excited all right man have a great day catch you later all right take care mark bye see ya well that didn't suck again no no sucking there yeah pretty good i i blinked and i look over i'm like dude we've been going for an hour and i have a page and a half of questions that I wanted to get in. But no worries. We'll connect with him again. You know what I mean?

But no, that was, man, dude, I'm kind of, I'm shaking over here, man. There's two companies on this planet that I love. There's Slingshot, of course. And that's not just because I work here. It's an amazing company, but. And Costco. Costco and Onnit. Oh, there we go. Yeah. No, I mean, before, um, a lot of this started, you know, I, one of the early podcasts I subscribed to was Joe Rogan's. And then of course, you know, I learned about Onnit through that. And then I started following Onnit and started following Aubrey Marcus.

You know, we, you and I went to the Onnit Academy a couple years back. That was a crazy experience because I had been there before as just a fan. And I remember what that felt like. And then we were, you were on his podcast and I was just sitting there holding my camera because Cause that's, you know, I was there, we were doing a hustle mania vlog. And I just remember thinking like, dude, what the heck is my life? Like, like a year prior, I was just doing everything I could just to come visit the place. Right. And then there I was getting a full tour and, you know, Aubrey said, yeah, go ahead and grab whatever you guys want from the store, which is crazy.

Oh yeah. That was great. You know, and then now on the, you know, the podcast that I'm a part of, it's like he's on. It's crazy, man. But Aubrey himself is just a really cool dude, and his book is awesome. I'm actually going through the second time right now, going through it again. You know, when he was talking about being in a position where you're not it again. Um, you know, when he was talking about, uh, being in a position where you're not necessarily too fond of, you know, working at a job or

whatever it is, you know, he called that smiling through the suck. Uh, he, you know, he was, he had a really high paying marketing job, lost it, and then got the offer to go work again. Uh, he knew he was going to hate it, but he said, you know, I'm going to bust my ass. I'm going to work this marketing job so that way I can move forward with this. At the time, he didn't know it was Onnit, but he was going to start this Onnit supplement company. All he had to do was just save up money and get through the suckiness of his job that he didn't like, but he had a bigger picture in mind. And's huge and it's just really cool seeing how you know what he was explaining it the way he did today and just knowing that like

like yeah dude it uh it all worked out he seems like um you know it's interesting a lot of the things he talks about um uh they have this kind of spiritual message behind them and um he talks about all these different books that he read but i you know one question i was going to ask him was like has he read the bible you know and and also about his you know his faith because it seems like he's a person of faith it kind of seems like he's a person of god um but at the same time um sometimes uh sometimes some people that are like him you know sometimes they they maybe believe in other things you know so you know i don't really know but um he does seem like uh you know

this this principle of of being able to like see shit that's not there i think is is very healthy and like in his situation um he's done it both with psychedelic drugs and without you know he had a vision for on it before on it was a thing um i had a vision for slingshot before we were ever in this building. I always wanted to have everything under one roof. It's been a mission from kind of the very beginning. I also kind of saw a lot of things. Once I invented the slingshot, I had like visions of a lot of things being there and a lot of things happening before they ever did. And I think, you know, some people might look down on, on some of the usage of some of these drugs. Um, but look, man, they, they take you to spots that you can't otherwise really get to.

Um, you can say like, uh, oh, well like, you know, I, I feel, you know, a certain way from running or I feel a certain way from lifting and, um, we can all kind of understand that, you know, you feel a certain, a certain way after you lift. We've talked about how we like to lift with people before we do the podcast and it gets our endorphins going and we're all fired up and excited and it makes for a better show. Uh, well that's all these drugs are doing. I mean, there's really no reason to, to look at it any other way as if you had got to be some weird freak or something to, to, uh, even explore these things there. Like he said, they might be for some people, they might not be for others. One thing I worry about with drugs is, is, uh, is control. You know,

I would, I kind of worry, like, and I know, I know what he's saying about, you know, some of the heavier things, you're not going to want to take them every day anyway, but you know, that, that would be one area where I'd be like, I don't know. Cause like, I got a lot of shit I'm responsible for. I got kids and like, I don't know if like i got a lot of shit i'm responsible for i got kids and like i don't know if i'd want to uh dive into too much of that stuff and if i did the worry would be that i'd want to do it too often because it probably does feel great yeah yeah i mean i've heard him i believe it was on rogan um you know he said that he was a like pretty hardcore not hardcore but he was an atheist. He was like,

there's no way there's, you know, this, we are who we are. That's it. Blah, blah, blah. He, you know, went on a, I don't know if it was ayahuasca or DMT, but he went on a pretty hardcore trip. And when he came back and he's just like, well, of course, like, why wouldn't there be? Like, who am I to say that there is or that there isn't like of course there's it's possible that it you know that there can be a god so you know for anybody who's think who maybe on the religious side thinking like okay if you guys want to search for something you know this is where you need to be searching well here's one guy who knew for a fact that that was not something that he could search for he takes a dmt trip and then all of a sudden he's like, well, you know what?

It opened up a whole nother side of his brain where he, that's a possibility. Absolutely a possibility. So, you know, it's, yeah, it's, I've never dabbled. I've always been interested just because, yeah, I would like, you know, I like nootropics. I have alpha brain right here. You know, I like opening up my brain to new things. And so that's, I don't know if it ever happened, but it's definitely something that I would like to experience someday. Well, I mean, look, people take a pre-workout, you know, before they go lift, right.

Or they drink coffee and it's to give them a desired effect. It's give them a certain effect to have a certain result on the workout. You're kind of thinking I'm going to have this pre-workout. It has these ingredients that are going to enhance the workout. So something like alpha brain, like why wouldn't you take, like, if you want to, um, be creative or you want to try to, um, you're trying to, you know, write out a business plan or you're, you're just, you're just thinking and you're listening to podcasts and stuff and you're trying to, you know, kind of, uh, have these rituals. Maybe you have a nine to five during the week, but maybe on the weekend, maybe you hit up something like alpha brain or you take something like Kratom and you, you sit

down with some coffee and you really try to think about the things that you want to change, whether it's your diet or your, um, your training or some business that you want to start, um, these things, they, they can, they can open up. I mean, we would, I think everybody would be in agreement that, uh, if we said, Hey, you know, go, go over there and, you know, talk to that hot chick over there and try to, you know, try to get her number. Well, we all would agree that it'd be a little easier if you had a shot or two, you know, before you went over there. Right.

So it's, and, and, uh, this has been proven. I mean, these aren't, these aren't even things that are, I mean, you're the reservations that you have about what you're going to say. I mean, it just takes the edge off. Right. And I'm not saying that you need to do anything to be creative or to be successful by any means, because you, you definitely don't necessarily need anything, but a lot of these things can help the way that I, you know, grew slingshot. The way I came up with a lot of concepts and ideas was

by sitting down at a coffee shop and sipping on some caffeine. Caffeine's a drug. It's a stimulant. Right. And so, um, and even today, like when I, like, I'm not, I'm not the kind of person who feels all jacked up if I don't have coffee, but when I have coffee in the morning, it gets my brain zinging. Like it's just, it's just different. And I can kind of, I can feel that it makes a difference. If I'm listening to music, it almost feels like I can hear more of it somehow. You know, it just changes everything a little bit. And, you know, so some of these things might have that kind of effect on some of the people listening to the show. That's definitely how I feel when I take some Kratom.

Music sounds awesome for some reason. I don't know what it is. You hear every little beat and everything going on in there. Yeah. We're still working on Mind Bullet over here. We probably have about two more weeks before we um before we get a hold of that and we'll kind of start to go on our own uh our own journey here i guess with um some supplements and stuff like that which it you know it'll be it'll be interesting because kratom is not accepted.

You can't just randomly buy it with any old credit card online and stuff. So we'll give you guys more information as we get all of our shit together to release that product. But I wouldn't be releasing it. It's something I didn't believe in. It's something I use. And it's something I think can really help. It's one of the few things I've taken that I've actually felt. Right. And I'd say the same thing about alpha brain. It's one of the few products I've actually taken where you're like, oh, okay. Like, you know, you put on a slingshot and you, you, you can bench

press more weight, you put it on and it takes pain away from your shoulder, or you can do the same amount of weight maybe for two reps, or you can do an extra 10 push-ups right the same thing with uh some supplements like i've taken you know high doses of like glutamine before i've taken amino acids and stuff before i've taken ketones and i haven't noticed a big difference from from really a lot of those things um haven't noticed a difference between you between swigging on MCT oil versus fish oil or having grass-fed beef versus... These are things you're probably not going to feel necessarily,

but things that you don't feel, it's harder to believe in them. But kratom is something that you will feel. Both supplements do it without packing in any kind of like caffeine or any kind of jitteriness.

Right. You know, so that, that's what's huge to me. Cause I know. There's no calories either. There's no sugar or no nothing. You know,

it's just a capsule. Yeah. So then there you go. You know, other supplements that want to make you feel something, they usually pack in some kind of stimulant. These are essentially stimulant free, but you feel something.

So that's huge. How are you doing with your carnivore-ness? I'm struggling. It's getting to be harder. Yeah. And I apologize for asking Paul before I even consulted with you about my bowels. But, you know, I didn't want to bring it up because it's like, oh, fuck, here goes Andrew again talking about his poop. And, you know, of course you're having stomach problems.

But, yeah, dude, I've been sprinting to the bathroom every time I finish eating. Oh, my God. And it's, I'll get a little descriptive, but, like, it just seems like I'm pooping out food that's barely even chewed. Like, I can see chunks of meat coming out. Man. It's weird. that's barely even chewed. Like I can see chunks of meat coming out.

Man. It's weird. So over the weekend, I did a bunch of family things, some funerals, sad stuff, but I'm okay. I was just there for my fiance and she's there for family. We're all good. But, you know, the big family events, you know, there's going to be a lot of Mexican food. So I indulged in some like chips and salsa and stuff. And I finally had a solid poop. There you go. you know the big family events you know there's gonna be a lot of mexican food so yeah so i

indulge in some like chips and salsa and stuff and i finally had a solid poop there you go okay um but unfortunately what happens when you have carbs you kind of want more carbs right i didn't do anything weird i didn't have any bad food i just i wanted more stuff so i had some like uh some peanuts and uh what else i had uh just a bunch of too much cheese yesterday um so i'm feeling fine today but i'm i got nothing but ribeyes for the the diet today for lunch today there you go i'm gonna hop back on but uh otherwise my my weight is down my uh my stomach's getting nice and flat that could be due to the uh the fasting and stuff like that pooping and of course the pooping but but, uh, strength wise, I think I'm okay. Um, I know I missed the bench yesterday, but

that just has more to do with my shoulder than anything. Right. Cause the close grip kind of bothers me. But, um, yeah, I'm just, I'm definitely worried about the way I dropped like five pounds already and I'm. That good yeah so i i hope it's good yeah you know from a stomach standpoint i think it's just time that you you know get some testing done and try to figure out like what's what's wrong with it you know you've been delaying that for too long yeah and we've had we've had a mean well we have got a bunch of people that we have access to um you know uh gabrielle line would probably be a good place to start. And, um, you know, cause like, you just kind of think of it this way.

Like, what if you get some tests done and what if it completely solves the problem kind of forever? Right. Like that's, it's kind of a big deal, right? That'd be huge. Um, or even if it just mitigates the problem, like it just makes it a lot less, you know, it makes it a lot less of an issue. You know, and a lot of times too, like you probably get, you know, unfortunately you probably will get some tests done and they probably won't know anything a couple of times, you know, it might happen a couple of times, but at least you try and then maybe you learn. And then maybe, who knows, maybe somebody just says, look says look man the truth is you're just going

to need some starches to kind of hold some of these foods together when you you know who somebody will probably lead you down the right path whether they're like oh you have this uh gut bacteria and you need this to destroy it and and then you're fine in like three days it probably won't be anything like that you know a lot of times there's not like like a clear cut yeah you find a problem and you get like a cure right like it's not always like oh you got an ear infection here take an antibiotic like it's kind of rare that you have things like that where just the problem gets totally like eradicated you know but yeah in this case maybe uh it could just be something that helps you know yeah because like i myself craving, like I'll look at an orange and be like, dude, I really

want that orange, you know? And, or, uh, you know, I, I like Brussels sprouts. Right. So I'm like, I, when I had steak with Brussels sprouts, I didn't have a problem. So I feel like, yeah, having something just to get the protein to bind to, or, you know, adding more fat, like Paul Saladino was saying, I think would do me a lot of good. You know, it all like it's all very interesting. You know, the carnivore diet is is a really awesome thing.

And, you know, we just got done with Aubrey Marcus being on the podcast and he's a he's a guy who does a lot of keto style dieting and variations of. Uh, he's a guy who does a lot of keto style dieting and, and variations of, um, but like, you know, the, the, this idea of switching over to like primarily eating meat probably should be just that idea of where you're trying to eat meat and you're trying to primarily eat more meat, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't eat anything else. And you're trying to primarily eat more meat, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't eat anything else. Because I think that we can sit here and argue and agree and disagree, and we can find all these different things to fight about and these things to agree upon. But I think that if we're being honest, I don't think there's any real reason to be like scared of plants, you know, like just overall. I i mean we're talking about kratom we're talking about alpha brain the things that are in alpha brain things are in kratom are from plants

coffee is a bean right and there's seeds and there's plants and there's fruits and there's you know um you know there's there's there's coconut there's avocado there's you know there's just there's there's these things have been around for a long time and, um, they have, they have what appears to be, they've been beneficial. So like, you know, maybe like just not having them at all, maybe is not great, you know? Um, but it's, it's the reason why you try things, you know? And, uh, it's very obvious that, uh, it works for Sean Baker pretty well. Um, and, and, uh, I mean, he, he's pretty strict on it. He doesn't really eat anything else.

I think he eats butter. He eats small amounts of other types of dairy, eggs, and I think steak. And maybe he has like some salmon here and there or something but um and then uh saladino was kind of the same way you know he was pretty meat oriented um he had like some liver and a couple other things but like he didn't really deviate much from it eggshells eggshells yeah crazy bastard yeah um but then other people I've talked to, like Joel Green. Joel Green is a big believer that, look, we probably need some plants. Dr. Davis, who we've had on the show before, he was a big proponent of trying to have healthy gut bacteria.

And he thought that a keto diet taken too far without any carbohydrates can be, you know, going too far one way. And he didn't think you could have the positive balance in your stomach that you might need. And who knows? It's hard to tell because even someone who's very strict with keto doesn't just not eat carbs for the rest of their life. And there's carbs in everything. So it's really hard to like determine some of these things i think the main thing is you try stuff out for a while and you see how it works out and maybe for you just fucking eat an orange you know and don't really worry about it especially like if you think about like why we're doing some of these things i mean for

you it'd be great if we can find a diet that is a nice happy medium for your stomach that allows you to still succeed in the gym which it seems like we're we're getting closer to seems like we're we're figuring it out it's been it's been months that we've been working on this process but look sometimes these things don't take months sometimes they take years right right um but we'll kind of we'll we'll work towards you know getting there and work towards figuring out but the good thing is is we've done a lot of eliminating we've gotten rid of a lot of things and so maybe you know start to bring a couple things back in that don't really make you go too haywire don't make you go off off then um you know maybe it'd be good like maybe

throwing in an orange and throwing in a little bit of uh a little bit of um vegetables probably not a big deal you know i know ron penna who's who i'm a huge like i just i think ron penna is one of the smarter people we've ever had in the building so that's why i bring them up all the time ron's like i don't really eat vegetables i don't think they matter that much but he's like when they're in my way i eat them and i think that he just said he doesn't think that it makes a lot of sense to not eat them at all he doesn't think that like you need to go way out of your way to eat tons of vegetables but he's like i mostly just eat them at restaurants because it comes with your food right you know and so he's like i'll just eat some damn green beans or whatever like just it makes it easier and those are also things that never get talked about.

Like, how does any of this fit into our life? How does it fit into our life? What was that? I don't know. How does it fit into our, you know, our lifestyle? And how does it fit into like your quality of life? If you look at what Paul Saladino was talking about, that's, that was one of the things he

mentioned was like, what's the quality of your life, you know, just eating, um, eating a potato, uh, three times a week, like enhance the way that you feel about food and keep you on track better and makes it feel good. He's like, screw it. I guess eat the damn potato. Right. Yeah. I think for me, it's the uh the opposite of what people you know they they think like if they can't go to the bathroom they need more fiber and what you know paul saladino was saying like if you or i think it was paul i might be really getting people smart people confused at this point but uh basically if you give people who are constipated more fiber it just makes them more constipated.

It can, yeah. So, I think maybe I need a little bit of fiber to kind of slow things down. Yeah. So, like a potato would be awesome for me, I think. Who knows? We'll see. Right. But the one thing that I've discovered since doing the carnivore diet was this fasting thing.

I was telling Joey, I'm like, yeah, you know, you kind of get this hunger like feeling early on. You kind of get through that wave and then you get another wave. It's kind of like the double pooping second wave. If you get through that second wave, your cognitive functions go through the roof. Your brain goes a thousand miles per hour and you're not hungry whatsoever. You don't even care about food.

You just want to crush the day. So that's something I'm going to implement in my diet for the rest of my life. Cause I had never done it before till this year. Yeah. Fasting is crazy. And they even say that like the longer you fast, the stronger that that happens, like that happens even more. So you can get into, like if you do a, um, I forget how many hours they say it is, but so like when you first wake up just because of like, we're so used to eating breakfast, a lot of people will be enticed by the idea of eating breakfast. And then, you know, I don't know, 11 o'clock rolls around and you're like, holy shit. Like I haven't eaten all that, that kind of feeling of, I haven't eaten all day thing

starts to hit you, you know, the minute my might hit you again, pretty hard at like four, but then it's gone. Yeah. It's, it's like, if you can hang in there, it's, it's gone. Like I, I've gone before till like 6 PM and 8 PM and stuff. And I don't, I'm like, man, I, I just might as well just go another day, you know? And I've done that before. I've done a 48 hour fast, but I want to say it's like, it's past like a 20 hour mark where

your body's like, you know what? Screw it, man. We can just, we can, yeah, we, we, it's almost like, it's almost like something overrode the hunger hormone in your body and said, Hey, you know what? We don't really need that hunger. Cause we don't, we don't actually really need food. This is kind of a false alarm. We, we checked, we got plenty inventory. This is kind of a false alarm.

We, we checked, we got plenty inventory, you know, of, of fat storage. We got plenty of that here. And so, uh, we're going to shut everything else down and we're just going to run off this fat for, you know, a while. And that's how people are able to fast for like 72 hours and sometimes even, even longer. Yeah. One thing I want to try once this month is over is I want to, uh, so fast for the entire day, go to sleep and then have a really awesome breakfast the next day. Cause I love, I mean, we all love breakfast, but like, you know, like French toast or something

would be amazing. Yeah. You know, through this carnivore diet, uh, eating eggs has been such a huge celebration because it's so good. And, you know, I can't make scrambled eggs and reheat them here at work. It could, but it wouldn't taste as great. So every time I eat eggs, it's always fresh right then and there. And it's been really great.

I love eggs. I know, and Seema does a lot of fasting. He does, you know, he goes pretty long periods of time. He's also very, like, regimented with like a schedule and i think that kind of helps a lot too it's because like he does his jujitsu around the same time every day but um i think he said he usually eats twice a day and he's able to you know still strong so yeah he's still jacked and and everything but i also don't think that he really follows like a, a strict diet. But if you were to think about it, if you were to confine

your food into just two meals for the day, and it was kind of stacked towards the end, what would you choose to eat? Especially like if you want to be anything in the gym, I mean, you would, you would almost automatically go on autop autopilot and and maybe you wouldn't eat like a bodybuilder or or um you know maybe you wouldn't eat uh no carbs but like i bet you would probably eat pretty healthy or at least one meal would be healthy and then if you think about it that way well you had one meal that was healthy and one that was like iffy that's probably better than most people. Right. Yeah. And maybe calorically, maybe you're okay too. Cause maybe you didn't, uh, that's the hard thing about fasting is kind of making sure that once you do start eating, cause that's fun that you don't just really go like nuts

and you do want, you can fill yourself up, but you know, um, you might want to try to be conscious of, of how you're doing it all. Yeah. Yeah. And for, you know, people that are worried about losing muscle because of the fasting or whatever, um, is actually, I read it recently in Aubrey Marcus's book that you actually, you maintain more muscle and drop more fat on, uh, with intermittent fasting than if

you were to eat all day long, but be in a caloric deficit. Right. You know, so of course you can just be in a surplus and not lose anything, but you'll still be kind of slob. Well, and there's some people too that, I mean, like, I think these areas just aren't looked at enough. I would say that like, if you train hard and you are to consume, I wouldn't even say surplus of calories, but you consume large amounts of calories and utilize intermittent fasting. I think that you would stimulate muscle growth with the training.

Your fasting would stimulate and help you avoid burning and losing muscle, but you would also be burning and losing fat. And I think you can, like, there's people, there's a couple of guys that I follow that, that do large amounts of fasting and eat like once or twice a day, really like 5,000 calories at night. And this one guy in particular, he kind of goes overboard with it. Cause he'd like, you know, he's got like pancakes and ice cream and like it's all part of a gimmick

he still he still is very conscious of how much he's eating he pays attention to it and it's some of it he just said it's just kind of for views and for people to kind of follow along um he'd actually be in i'll uh i'll try to remember his. He'd be great to get on the podcast, but he's not like insanely jacked or anything, but he's in good shape. And he utilizes a lot of fasting. And I actually think that, you know, if they've did some studies on some of these people, you're going to see that they're probably able to consume maybe a little bit more calories than your average person. a little bit more calories than your average person. So like, uh, you know, Lane Norton, he'll get kind of pissed about calorie deficit and calorie surplus. He's like, surplus means you're gaining weight. You can't gain weight without a calorie surplus and you can't lose weight without a, without a calorie deficit. But I think that things are way more complicated than

that. I think that, um, you know, just because like, just because you try to stretch doesn't mean you're going to get flexible. Like just because you, just because you are eating less calories doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to lose weight. Like even if, even if we figured out scientifically, okay, Andrew, this is, you know, you burn 2,200 calories every day. We're going to have you eat a little bit less than that. And you're going to lose 10 pounds in a month.

I just don't think it, I think it can work that way. Um, but I think that like your hormones are so different than somebody else's and your hormones are so different than they were three years ago. Right. You know, and they, they, they change all the time. And so it's definitely possible that you get yourself in a more favorable position to where you can consume more food and still burn fat, you know? And that's, I think what Stan's always trying to preach with the vertical diet. He wants you to eat a lot more, whether you're trying to lose weight or, or trying to gain weight.

And then there's, then there's a flip side to all this, which is like intermittent fasting, which throws a huge curve ball in there. But I think, you know, either method can be effective. It's a matter of being able to string it together and follow it for a long period of time. Yeah. I've been craving some rice, some vertical diet-y food. I, I, um, I like rice. I tend to kind of like want to overeat it or put other stuff on it though too you know um i really like potatoes a lot i don't know why they're they're like dry you know regular potato but i like them yeah um and then i love sweet potatoes too those are freaking those are amazing yeah and i i've been uh before we started in carnivore i was eating those like little potatoes they're like little,

I don't know what they're called. Fingerling potatoes. Yeah. Yeah. And just boiling them the night before and then throwing just some butter and oh man. Yeah. Yeah.

They're so good. Or just, yeah. Like, uh, dicing up some, uh, potatoes and just chucking them in the oven,

making little like tots, you know? Yeah. Little chunks like that. Those are, uh, that's the way Andy usually cooks them. She usually chucks them in the, in the oven.

Gotcha. So I'm assuming everything's been good with the carnivore diet and you? Yeah. Everything's been pretty good. Energy level's been through the roof. Yeah. I've been feeling good. I've been training hard and, you know, uh, lifting some big weights and stuff.

And yeah, all that's been good. I've been, I've been going bonkers over here. Yeah. Do you think you're going to keep going the rest of the year, or are you going to? Yeah, I'm going to go for a while. I might take small breaks here and there and mix in some keto-ish foods rather than just pure carnivore. But I'm liking it. I'm liking it so far.

I don't know. When I lose a little bit more weight, too, I don't know if I'll need to bring in some carbs. I'm not sure, but everything seems to be where I feel strong and I'm a pretty damn lean. I think, you know, minus just the tan, I think that's the only difference between, you know, the bodybuilding show, like when I was actually like on stage and like the last, you know, two weeks or whatever, like I'm not there, I'm not that lean, but I'm at least, uh, close to where I was prep wise. I feel like, yeah, I think the biggest is just your shoulders right now. They look a little bit more meaty. Right. Whereas before it was just like, oh my gosh, look at his shoulders. It's just

all muscle. It looks sick and it looks great now. Right. Right. I think that's the only difference that I can see though. Yeah. And the hair. Yeah. And that's, that's like, uh, it's like, uh, you know, like it's like a five pound difference probably, you know And that's, that's like, uh, it's like, uh, you know, like, it's like a five pound difference probably, you know what I mean? It's like, it's probably not that much, you know, it's probably just like just dropping about five LBs. Yeah. Cause that is a weird thing with bodybuilding.

When you get that tight, your like shoulders and shit just fucking pop out of everything. It doesn't matter what you're wearing or how you're wearing it. And you could kind of see it in people's like upper back too. just fucking pop out of everything. It doesn't matter what you're wearing or how you're wearing it. And you could kind of see it in people's upper back too. Their upper back is all muscular and shit. It's crazy. It's just a different look. Yeah.

Has Andy jumped on the carnivore train too? She has, yeah. She said she's going to do carnivore week and then she did a week of it and she liked it. And she's back for more. She lost a couple LBs, so she's like, I'm going to stick with it. It's a week of it and she liked it. And, uh, she's back for more. She lost a couple LBs. So she's like, I'm going to stick with it.

It's a lot of fun. So yeah, she's, she's, uh, she's sticking with it, which makes it easier, you know, and you got, you know, both of us are doing it and she won't be as weird as me. Like when we go to a restaurant, I'll order like two different meats and, you know, tell them not to bring any vegetables or whatever. She just kind of like rolls with it and she'll just, she was like, fuck it. I'll just eat some of the vegetables. She doesn't care as much. And I think that's fine. I think that's fine. I think the idea is to, is to recognize that the meat is the main source of our fuel. And, uh, it's a good thing for people

to try. I'm not saying that it's the end all be all of diets, but it's a good thing for everybody to try. And, um, you know, stop having snacks, stop having desserts, stop having appetizers, stop filling yourself up with stuff that you really don't need. It's just stuff that you want. And, um, you know, say like, allow yourself to get hungry. It's important to be hungry. And when you get hungry and there's a steak in front of you, you're going to fucking it you're gonna be like this holy shit this is so good steak is always you know it's always amazing you know reheating it and stuff like that's not always like my favorite but i can still i could still crush that pretty good especially if it's just like once a day you know twice a day something

like that but um you know usually i get home and I just cook it up fresh and it's freaking awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We're definitely going to remain like silly carb free forever. Like just switching over to keto diet at the end of the last year, it really helped, helped out Stephanie's, you know, whatever going on with her wrists. And then, so she didn't go full on carnivore, but it just, because she's low carb, like it makes everything so much easier. Right. So that's, yeah, we're going to stick like this forever. Like there's, I don't, I don't want to change. I don't want any, like my back feels amazing now. Like I don't want to ever go back.

Right. And there's might be times, you know, where you stick in some potatoes and some rice here and there, but like, it still doesn't have to be this, you know, onslaught of carbohydrates. Correct. 50, a hundred grams, you know, and, you know, some people listening there, they're like, man, I don't get it. Like I eat 300 grams a day and I'm strong as an ox. Well, it's just a little different for each person, you know?

And, uh, you know, for whatever reason, some people, uh, adapt really well to certain ways of eating. I just, I personally think that a carbohydrate rich diet is just too hard for most people to follow. I think that there's, there's just too much fat in all of our foods and it's, um, it's too inconvenient to try to ever eat out anywhere because you, you just get way too much fat. They're going to give you, like, if you go to a restaurant and even without, even without being like gluttonous and without like going over the top, you're probably going to get like 60 grams of fat in your food. And it's like, well, if you're eating 300 grams of carbs a day or 200 grams of carbs a day, you just blew your know, on that one meal. So now you probably have kind of doubled

what you were supposed to eat for the day, which I just, I just, I don't, I don't know. I just don't think there are ways of doing it. Bodybuilders do a good job and they get like fat-free this and fat-free that, and they eat egg whites and fat-free cottage cheese and fat-free yogurt. And they, but those guys are so regimented. I just don't see anybody else being able to do that. It's too hard. It's like good luck trying to eat 60 grams of fat in a day. It's fucking impossible.

Yeah, and it's all going to come from stuff you don't even want. You're going to order broccoli and be like, oh, I did good. And it's like, oh, wait, it was drenched in some kind of something. Yeah, yeah. Right. And, yeah, like, okay, so it drenched in some kind of like something, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Right. And yeah, like, okay. So it made it taste a little bit better, but it really isn't, you know, I just, that, that's why I'm just, you know, I see these different posts from people and somebody made a post

today said, eat, you know, eat slow carbs, don't eat no carbs. And people have all these messages. You got to find out what's right for your body. And I'm just like, oh my God, this is fucking stupid. It's just dumb. You know, it's like what's right for your body is not any of these processed foods that have been around. You know, these, these newer foods that have been around. It's not, that's not where the magic is.

It's going to happen from, you know, some sort of meat sources, some sort of protein source. And then, you know, yes, you can eat some carbohydrates here and there, and there's some fruits and some vegetables and some things you can have. But this idea of, like, eat everything in moderation and balance and stuff, it's just not working. Yeah. I like what Aubrey says. He says moderation in moderation.

Right. So, you know, like, yeah, if you are going to try to have the healthy broccoli, it's like you're going to probably get the same amount of fat as you would just go grab like a chocolate chip cookie. You know, like just indulge if you need to. But, you know, don't act like you're some saint because you, you know, ordered the correct healthy option, even though it's still bullshit. Cause you're at spaghetti factory. A lot of people think they're going to do something great for themselves. And like, I'm going to get a salad and it's like, now, now if you're going keto, it makes it easier because it's just, it's, it doesn't matter as much, but it's still a lot of calories to consume.

And if you have, you know, you get ranch dressing on your, or Caesar dress. I mean, man, I've seen the stats on some of these things. They might have 50 grams of fat. And that was like your warmup. That was your, that was your pre-meal thing that you have before you ate your steak. Oh man. You just go over like a hundred grams of fat in one meal.

Yeah. Or me with my heavy cream. Oh yeah. Protein shake. I almost died. 24 ounces of heavy cream. To the face. Never been done before. All right, everybody. 24 ounces of heavy cream. To the face. Never been done before.

All right, everybody. Hope you enjoyed the show. Huge shout out to Aubrey Marcus and Onnit for just being motivational without even knowing it, man. Those guys, they're great people. Aubrey's awesome.

Our boy Kyle Kingsbury's down there as well. And it's been great linking up with those guys. And it's been great linking up with those guys. And it's been awesome having Aubrey on the show today. Strength is never weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later.