Mark Bell's Power Project - Power Project EP. 73 - Chris Bell

Episode Date: June 19, 2018

Today we are live with big brother Chris "Boar" Bell. Chris is the directer of Bigger Stronger Faster, Prescription Thugs, Trophy Kids and his newest documentary on Kratom, A Leaf of Faith. He and Mark Bell are currently working on a new documentary covering everything nutrition from some of the leading diet and nutrition specialist in the country. Re watch the Live stream here: https://youtu.be/F8-NMmU84b0 ➢SHOP NOW: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots ➢Subscribe Rate & Review on iTunes at: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mark-bells-power-project/id1341346059?mt=2 ➢Listen on Stitcher Here: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mark-bells-power-project?refid=stpr ➢Listen on Google Play here: https://play.google.com/music/m/Izf6a3gudzyn66kf364qx34cctq?t=Mark_Bells_Power_Project ➢Listen on SoundCloud Here: https://soundcloud.com/markbellspowerproject FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell Follow The Power Project Podcast ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/MarkBellsPowerProject Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz

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and uh wishing he was here with me I think that we should be together Bo if you know I mean anyway alright we're live in a bunch of different spots. YouTube is powerproject.live.

For those of you that are watching right here on Instagram live, I'm going to part ways with this in a minute because this is cheap. This doesn't give you the best audio quality. Want the best audio quality, go over to Facebook. You can check me out on Facebook live, or you can also check me out on YouTube Live, which is powerproject.live. I'm here today with my favorite person in the world, myself, and I'm going to have my brother on probably in a little while, but I wanted to go over some shit

first before he comes in and just fucking ruins everything, because he's a boar, and he's got to name the boar because he's like a wild pig and he can make a fucking mess of this place in a second and i don't want that to happen so we're gonna um we're gonna keep it keep it simple first uh first and foremost uh i am doing a bodybuilding show some of you guys might have heard uh you know we talked about it a little bit here on the podcast before when we had uh honey rambod on rambod what a great name god i'm jelly of that i always every time i hear it i just think ramrod though yeah anyway i was just thinking other areas of my life where I'm jealous of other people you know bigger dicks and things like that come to mind goddamn Pornhub I gotta get I get it I gotta get

off of there I mean I'm getting off on there but I I mean I gotta get I mean I gotta stay away from it I guess yeah I guess is what I mean they're on performance enhancing oh uh oh I tell my wife all the time those guys aren't real. I mean, it's not real. Like, babe, listen, it's not real. There's a documentary talks about it. There's no way. There's no way somebody has a penis that's over five inches long.

I mean, it's impossible. I mean, it's just absurd. What would be the use of that? There's a couple anomalies out there. Yeah. What are you trying to like snake the toilet or something? I mean, snake the sink and plunge the toilet. I don't know what's going on with that.

But anyway, yeah, so I'm doing a bodybuilding show and Hanny is helping me out and he's helping me with diet stuff and I am eating carbs and everyone's all up in arms because they see the oats and the rice and everything. But I have a half cup of rice like twice a day and I got some oats in the morning. So yay is me. 150 grams or maybe on a high carbohydrate day, if there even is one. I don't really even have one, but I might just because I'm fat end up at 200 grams. But it's still really low, but it's definitely not keto because the fat is out the window. The carbohydrates are a source of fuel. Um, and I'm doing a bunch of other weird

stuff, like taking like a pump formula before I work out and stuff like that. I never, I've never messed with any of that stuff before. The short rest intervals is a real kick in the balls, but I really like it. Um, when Jay Cutler is here, um, and other bodybuilders that we've talked to Stan Efferding, Phil Heath, and, uh, Honey himself, who's been a, uh, a trainer of champions for a long time. And, uh, Charles Glass, who we've rubbed elbows with before. All these guys have been kind of saying that for a long time, that you stimulate growth hormone that way. Um, and that you, um, uh, you know, you, you stimulate basically a lot of things that can help you burn fat, can help you up

regulate carbohydrates. Uh, it's really just kind of almost like the pump, you know, I don't think the pump is always a true indication of, uh, having a great workout, but I think that in a lot of cases, to get muscle size and get your muscles to grow, I think that you do need to get a pump, at least occasionally. Yeah, so is that different than just like a pre-workout, or is it like a combination of pre-workout and then whatever the pump actually is? I think it's just things that enhance whatever way you naturally get pumped. So I don't even really know what's in this stuff.

I, I've been out of the supplement game for a long time. I haven't really looked into any supplements in a, in a while. Um, other than just, uh, some of our own protein powder.

Um, and then from there, I'm, I'm pretty much like I got vitamins and minerals and I take those based off of my blood work, but I really try to get everything from food. And that whole thing, uh, ends up being a huge discussion. But, uh, if you ever listened to the podcast that we did with Sean Baker, he alluded to

the fact that your recommended daily allowance is kind of a thing of bullshit because it's a recommended daily allowance for the standard American diet, which is just people not eating very well, just people eating like shit basically um and when it comes to something like vitamin c they might say you need x amount but they don't nobody really knows like no one it's unfortunate um guys like charles pullaquin you know he'll know because he's done some of his own research over a long period of time. But other people have, you know, most most of the time people don't know it's a real crapshoot. That's sometimes why I think calories are, you know, like debatable.

They are a tool. And it's always a good idea to recognize that people that are heavy probably have to figure out ways of eating less. But they are bigger. When someone's 300 pounds versus 150 pounds, the person that's bigger and that has a metabolic, has created a metabolic disorder at this point, has some really intense cravings and they want to eat more food because they're bigger. Did they get bigger because they ate more food? Yeah, sure, they did. But calories, in my opinion, are just not that accurate. It's not as simple as like, oh, I'm going to cut this out and this is going to happen, especially when you're behind. When you're already behind, I think the key is sound nutrition and not necessarily just eating less.

I think it starts with, depending on the person, but I think in general, it starts with a 10 minute walk and you, uh, you bring in things from there, 10 minute walk, add more water, uh, sleep more. And then from there, it's like kind of debatable on what the fuck to do from that point on. But if you can figure out, you know, getting on a war on carbs or something like that, it could really build momentum and, and, uh, create the discipline that's necessary to get to a point where I've gotten where now I can eat some carbs. It's not a big deal, but also I'm still not disciplined enough because if it wasn't for the bodybuilding show, then I probably wouldn't be able to do this diet anyway. And I'd probably still come off

and eat stuff that I shouldn't be eating. But with like a, like say a ketogenic diet, it's just going to force you to not eat shitty carbs. Would you say that the benefit of a ketogenic diet is more of like getting fats in or just the fact that people are removing a ton of bad carbs from their diet? I think in general that the benefits of food, uh, really come in

the most when you just don't eat stuff, when you don't eat certain things. I think the, uh, abstaining from eating food, not all food, but abstaining from eating foods that are unhealthy, I think is more powerful than trying to take in healthy foods. I think it, um, we've just seen it time and time again. You know, if you, if you go on a low carb diet and you still have crystal light and you still have all these other things in there, or even if you go on a bodybuilding diet, which is just a low fat, high carbohydrate, high protein diet, you can have artificial sweeteners. You can have all these different things in there. You're still going to get in better shape. What that does for you, you know, 50 years down the road or 30 years down the road is

a little bit hard to, to say, but fuck man, Jay Cutler looked great when he was here, didn't he? Like he, he, he looked awesome. And he, he was saying he still wants to size down, but he looked awesome. And there's a lot of bodybuilders that do that. Now there's, there's also the kind of the knucklehead bodybuilders that are, that are just not on that level. You know, uh, Jay Cutler is very smart.

Phil Heath is very smart. And, uh, you know, we don't know, we don't know the cost of, of admission for, uh, entry into, uh, the Mr. Olympia contest. You know, we don't know what that, we don't really know what that looks like, but, um. Yeah. That's something I wanted to ask Phil was like, dude okay you're gonna you're gonna win 10 in a row like what does that look like 10 years from now yeah yeah yeah i think everyone's scared i think everyone's kind of terrified are they gonna end up like uh ronnie coleman you know and uh ronnie

coleman is amazing because ronnie coleman still seems like a very happy person, but it sucks, man. The guy's in a lot of pain. We need to figure out a way to help that guy. And I think we should figure out a way to get him some kratom. Yeah. I think that would be a good start. We can get it to our boy, Big Jay, and we can start to help that guy out. Because Ronnie Coleman's had a huge impact, huge, huge, positive impact on so many people's lives.

And I just know he's in pain just from the people that we talked to but there's going to be a price to pay i mean look at muhammad ali right i mean there's going to be there's going to be certain situations also too with ronnie coleman it's like maybe ronnie coleman was going to be that way anyway when he's 80 it just happened a lot sooner because of the the lifting and stuff i don't really even know what what happened with him him. Uh, to be totally honest, I just know he's had bad hips. He's had surgeries and stuff, but there's some people that have surgeries and seem like they're okay. And there's other people that really, uh, suffer. Yeah. So going back to you and your diet, um, are you still implementing, uh, intermittent intermittent fasting? There's no room for that.

When you do a bodybuilding style diet, you start to not have room for certain things. Somebody might say, oh, well, what about having a protein bar? You literally don't have room for it anymore. Depending on how far out you start your diet, you have five to seven meals a day. This is something I find really interesting. You have five to seven meals a day. When Jay Cutler was here, we were

like seven meals. Whoa. Right. Yeah. Stan Efferding said eight a lot of times because Stan has a really fast metabolism, but the average person has about 15. They eat about 15 times a day. No way. So they got, they got Jay Cutler beat all the hell. And if you mix that in with the way that people eat, you know, they're, they're late. They, uh, they probably don't even eat breakfast sometimes. Uh, maybe they grab a donut or like they, there's not even eating real food, but there's stuff in their face 15 times a day. I even thought about that for myself. I was like, wow, even if how strict I am, like occasionally I'll, you know, eat a carrot or eat it. Like I'm just eating something else. And I'm like, I could, I could definitely do a better

job of that. I'm just not even mindful of it because I've been trying to figure out ways of like blunting and halting these hungers and these cravings. And I'm like, well, this is better than that. But remember Stan was saying, uh, what was it? The scenario he said, uh, bad, better, best, right? Good, better, best. Yeah, there you go. Right.

And, uh, when you take that scenario in, like, is that best, you know, is it best to, to munch on food while you're cooking your food probably not probably best is to wait till your food's done right yeah and so uh yeah all those kind of things have um has popped have popped up into my head along with um just some other shit i've been thinking about my brother's here in town and we're working on our keto movie with our boy, Greg Young. And Greg is somebody that has been a big French fry guy like yourself. He loves a friend,

loves to get after those French fries. We got him going on the war on carbs and he's doing great. He lost about 20 pounds. It was awesome. We were, when we were filming Brian Shaw prepping for the Arnold, you know, I hung out with him and Boar for two, three days straight. And when Greg walked into the gym yesterday, I was like, dude, I didn't even recognize you.

You look like a different person. I only knew because of your haircut. And he starts laughing. He's like, I've had this my whole life. And people get all upset. He has had the same hair. Actually, there's a great story about that. His hairdresser, he went to a hairdresser one time and they wouldn't give him his haircut.

They told him that it looks awful. How depressing is that? Yeah. But I think almost any ailment can be associated with fitness and can be associated with our food. Yeah. I really do. Yeah. He said, I mean, hopefully he's okay with me sharing this, but he said he hadn't felt or hasn't been this way or this thin since like high school.

Right. And then he had like some back issues just like me. And I'm like, so how's that? And he's like, it's way better now. Yeah. It's funny how that works. He's like, no, but it's not just that my attitude's better. Like I just, I feel better like inside and out.

It's crazy. And so it's fucking awesome to see him now like the way he is right now. I think food can help so many different things. You know, I don't know if he brought it up to you. He's probably embarrassed to say it, but he told me about his impotence too. No, I'm just kidding. It's with such a variety of things. How much working out, how much fitness and how much lifting and all these different things can sit here and kind of debate that a lot. But I do think that most of us would agree that food is a huge component. Sleep is a huge component. And these things need to be figured out. So me and my bro are working on trying to tackle that freaking monster.

In addition to that, there were some things I wanted to go over and that's, that's why we hopped on here today. Um, today was a busy day. I got up, banged out my cardio. I guess it was busy cause I made myself busy cause I didn't have to do that, but that's what I wanted to do. And we'll get to that in a minute. Wants and needs. Um, after that, um, had some breakfast, came here to the gym and did some squats with my brother and Ryan Spencer. And then I actually missed a squat with 225 pounds. I was busting out some reps and I just completely lost all feeling in my legs. And the last time that I lost all feeling in my legs like that was when I tried to squat 1,085. And that was the last time I missed a squat.

I haven't missed a squat since. So that was weird and interesting. But a lot of it has to do with the fast pace of the workout. So I did like 405, I think, for a set of like five or six or something or maybe it was actually only three or four i can't remember but i know that i went up in weight a little bit haven't handled anything heavy in a squat in a while squat strength is definitely way down strength in general is way down people ask me about that a lot but i've never been i'm lighter now than i was when i was 16 years old so it's just this different and weird right now.

Um, but then from there we moved on to, uh, uh, some trap bar deadlifts. And from there we moved on to some leg press from there. We moved on to doing some back work and some planks and stuff, and then we were done, but it was a, just a brutal workout. And, uh, my bro, he squatted a three15 for a few sets of 10 squatting onto a backs and uh he did really well also and ryan was just tearing it up he squatted 405 for 10 he showed all of us up and crushed us again um the pace is crazy though because it's like we go right from squats and while you know while the squat is like being broken down or just about to be broken down and done with, and the trap bar is being set

up. And as soon as that's, uh, over with, and we're going right into the leg press, we're transitioning quickly. And I think people in general can do a better job of that in their day-to-day life. Not, not only just in the gym, but when it comes to training in the gym, when you go from like the squat rack to the next thing, that's a really important transition time to where you can really start to get the most bang for your buck. And you can really start to, uh, get some really good exercise in and the density of your workout is going to kind of shape the way that you're built. It's going to shape and, uh, continue to help your progress. But if you kind of are lollygagging around and you, you lose like your pump, uh, or you just,

uh, you lose your warmth, even like you're nice and warm and everything feels pretty good. And you got talking to somebody for 20 minutes, it can really, uh, set you down the wrong path. And it just doesn't, it doesn't feel good good anymore and it's hard to inertia is the hardest thing you'll ever have to deal with just getting started so don't take that lightly you got started you got that far you you got to the gym it was something that you really wanted to do you made it that far and now you can't let anything interrupt it or impede it and i think uh body language too right? I think we need to pay more attention to body language because I'm the worst at that. I get tired and I start wanting to like fall over and whatnot. Yeah, body language and facial expressions and stuff.

For those that are listening on Instagram, I'm going to pop off here. If you want to continue to follow, you can check it out on Facebook Live. You can also check us out, powerproject.live. Bye! Yeah, that's a huge thing and and uh that again like so many of these things they transfer over into life when you're talking uh to your boss about a new concept or new idea um poker face that shit man like don't you know don't uh an idea. Um, you may have suggestions on how the idea could be better, how the idea could be different. Um, but there's no reason to,

uh, squirm like you're a bug under a magnifying glass, you know, um, take your time to understand the information that's given to you. And then same thing in the gym when you're, when you're training, um, take your time to process what it is that you're doing. Try to breathe, try to calm yourself down. All this stuff can be very painful. Yeah, it can, it can hurt, but pain is like the ingredient that we're looking for. And in this recipe, if you don't have pain, then you're not going to have progress. There has to be some, like you don't have to be, uh, you don't have to be in, uh, in pain, like, cause you tore something or anything, but there's going to be a lot of discomfort going on. Um, for, for a champion, for somebody that wants to be better, um, exercise doesn't even really start until things get to be painful. Everything else is kind of just a warmup, right?

So things have to kind of hurt. Things have to, uh, have to be hard. Things have to be difficult. Um, and then also, you know, if you've got training partners, it's important for you to be up for them too. It's important for you to, um, think about like, uh, you know, if you were going to get into a fight or you were something where you were um think about like uh you know if you were gonna get into a fight or you were something where you were gonna be scared you know if there's some scenario where you're gonna be you're you're in war you're in battle of some sort and you're gonna be uh

terrified doesn't do me any good to have you all frantic or vice versa right like if i'm like i'm not sure i'm not sure what to do you know if i'm freaking out well then now you're like fuck yeah but if we're like all right man this is gonna be like look each other nice if this is gonna be fucking hard but we gotta you know we gotta figure this out right yeah right as smokey's going for a big bench i'm gonna be like hey what happens if it falls out of your hands though yeah don't be that guy, you know, in your training and in your effort to be better and in your effort to make progress, I talked before on the podcast about, um, the ingredients that would go into, um, being successful, the ingredients of being successful, you know, are, are things such as progress, right? And how do you get progress? The only way you get

progress is by doing stuff and trying new things and continuing to move into different things and try different things and continue to work as hard at those things you can. Over a period of time, you refine those things. You become more efficient at those things. And it's not always just about plowing forward as hard as you can. You're going to want to, you know, at some point, you're going to want to work on being more efficient at what it is that you're doing. Right. And you can streamline stuff and you can have time for other things.

You can have time for your ideas. You can have time for the things that you really want to do and not be so tied down all the time to the things that you have to do. A big piece of this puzzle is to do the things that you don't want to do when you don't normally want to do them. You have to kind of force yourself to do those things, but the things that you want, the things that you want will always be there as long as you're handling all the shit that you need to do. And that gets to be really hard because the things that we want to do can be distracting. And that gets to be really hard because the things that we want to do can be distracting.

Distraction is, uh, is King, you know, distracting you from stuff, distracting you from your goal. Um, the ultimate warrior refers to it as Mr. Resistance. And I think it's, that's a, that's a really outstanding, uh, message. You know, Mr. Resistance is waiting for you. The second that you, not even, not even, he's not even waiting for you. The second that you, uh, you get up, he's, he's, he's waiting for you the second that you not even not even he's not even waiting for you the second that you uh you get up he's he's he's waiting for you uh every night when you go to bed you know because mr resistance is the is the voice that tells you i should stay up and i should watch this this is going to be kind of cool you know i should watch the 60 minutes thing and it's going

to go until because you recorded it where it's going to go till 11 you shouldn't watch it you should fucking go to bed because the 60 minutes episode has nothing to do with your goals and yeah we need leisure and we need fun um but just like with food we don't need it every goddamn turn during the day you know what's more important is it more important uh for you to wake up early and get the things that you have to do done or is it more important for you to fuck around with the things that you want to do i always hear people what i i need i need to unwind though like i need to like i'll get all that shit done later but right now this episode of 13 reasons why is about to pop off and i i just i need to relax and unwind because I had a shit day.

Right. Well, I think you'll become on, if you'll become, you'll, you'll be tired and fatigued plenty and you'll be unwound if you continue to do the things that you need to do. Because at the end of the day, you're going to be fucking beat. Like a lot of people have a hard time going to sleep honestly give a hard time going to sleep because you're you're doing shit yeah because you're occupying yourself with stuff that's distracting you things that are um you and i were talking you were like i've been trying to be off my phone as much as possible i wish there was like well maybe there already is but i wish wish there was an app on your phone that like showed you how much you're on it, how much you're off of it, you know?

Yeah. Well, it's funny because you hear a lot of people, they say like, oh man, the second I go, I hit the bed, all of a sudden all these thoughts run through my head. You know, I can't, I keep overthinking everything. It's like, well, yeah, because you haven't been alone by yourself for a second the entire time you've been awake. You've been balls deep in your phone or you've been talking to somebody or you're at work or you're doing this or that. Go close yourself in a room in the dark for five minutes and see how many of those thoughts you can get out before you go to bed. Yeah, it's called making yourself busy. Yeah.

You know, you're making yourself busy and you're causing a lot of these, uh, problems yourself. Um, when we talked to Phil Heath, Phil Heath said when he's training and having a bad session, he sometimes just looks in the mirror and you know, he'll go, he'll just go into the bathroom. So there's not other people around and he'll just look at himself. He'll stare at himself and you saw his stare yeah yeah he almost killed me i know he almost killed you but he'll just stare at himself and say what the fuck are you doing right now yeah you want to be the greatest bodybuilder of all time you're hunting down lee haney and you're hunting down ronnie coleman and you're having a shit workout and the Mr. Olympia contest is 10 weeks out. And I mean,

those are conversations that you have to have with yourself. And I think that people think that when you do that kind of stuff, that you're like a maniac and that you're not having any fun. Well, life is always more fun when you're winning. Who, who had a big smile at the, you know,

the end of the game uh with the uh golden state warriors and cleveland cavaliers yeah everybody on everybody everybody on the golden state warriors right yeah because life is a lot more fun when you're winning but what were the sacrifices right like what were the things that those guys those guys all agreed this is what we're gonna do and the calves they couldn't do shit i mean you can sit there and you could sit there and make excuses and say oh well kevin durant like you know there's been people saying he's like fucked up the entire nba because of uh for going to the warriors yeah for going to the warriors but i mean realistically

we've seen teams try to make like dream teams before. It hasn't, it doesn't always work. Yeah. Didn't work right away for LeBron when he went with, uh, Dwayne Wade. It took, it took a couple years. Yeah. It took some time. All these things take time.

They always take work, but you know, something to keep in mind. And I think this is something that, um, you know, I I've, I've given that cutting corner speech a lot. And, um, it's something I'm passionate about because it's something I, I suffer from it. I cut corners all the time. Uh, we all do. We all cut corners all the time. But if you, if you stop cutting corners and you go around those corners, that's where

all the good shit is. That's where all the victories are found. And you're not going to find a victory just by going around one corner. You have to go around multiple corners, multiple times, day in and day out and week in and week out. And you still might not win. Yeah. But when it comes to like, you know, doing the gym stuff to rolling it over into work stuff, um, I, I know the, like doing this podcast isn't like a burden on you or anything like that, but say today's meeting that we all had this morning, how hard was it to come to work and to be a part of that meeting and do this podcast after you did all those squats this morning? Compared all that to those squats, which one was harder?

I say it all the time, do more, be more. The more that you do, the more you can handle. Do more, be more. The more that you do, the more you can handle. Do more, become more. The more that you're participating and the more stuff that you're doing, the easier it is to handle all that. uh how hard is it to get through a uh bodybuilding workout then do a bunch of cardio and then you know end the workout with uh a crossfit workout or something right like it's yeah it's a killer but if you're in shape it's not a problem yeah go hang out with rich froning for a couple days and and see how bad you get just absolutely destroyed or Matt Frazier, some of these, some of these high level CrossFit people or, uh, our buddy,

um, uh, just train. He hung out with, uh, Brooke Wells and he got his ass kicked by her. I mean, she's,

these people are, they're in great shape, but it kind of goes to show you, uh, that there's a, um, I think what people have a hard time understanding is a lot of this is about recovery. And people will kind of think, oh, well, if I go to my son's baseball game,

and then even though his game's going to end at 8 p.m., if I try to go to the gym and it's going to be too late, they're just kind of making all these excuses on why they're so jammed up and it's like well maybe if you took a step back and recognize that going to bed at 12 to try to get a training session in at 9 or whatever it would be um and having a pre-workout at 8 p.m after the game's over whatever it's probably not a great idea because it's going to set a cascade of problems that you can't recover from but if you thought about it on monday and the game was on tuesday then you could have planned properly to

be in position to where you could probably train in the morning where you could easily shift it to a different day and you say you know what i'm going to be loaded up with some good rest i'm going to have a great instead you're trying to frantically do it the workout is shit you didn't do the five other exercises you wanted to do because it's uh 11 p.m right and it sent it just sends a cascade of problems i think you know if you think of your recovery as being like a sink i think people don't realize that the the hole that in the sink, you can make that a lot bigger by the more stuff that you handle, the more stuff that you do. You can prevent that water from overflowing. If the water is like the workload and the drain represents recovery, you can increase your workload and you can handle more and more water.

The sink can handle more water and continue to drain it a lot faster if the drain is simply just larger. Your recovery rate is not fixed. Your willpower is not fixed. Your energy is not fixed. It can become better. When you look at somebody and you're like, oh my God, that guy's got some really crazy amount of energy. What person has built it up over a long period of time?

People build themselves up in different ways. And the willpower, the focus, um, Phil Heath was talking about that a lot. You know, he was like, I wasn't, you know, wasn't always this way. It wasn't, I wasn't always like this. I've heard Arnold Schwarzenegger talk about it. He's like, I wasn't confident. I didn't always this way. I wasn't always like this. I've heard Arnold Schwarzenegger talk about it. He's like, I wasn't confident. I didn't believe in myself. But somebody like Arnold, he probably transitioned at nine into lifting and building up willpower. Yeah, because you hear a lot of people often say they'll see somebody do a CrossFit workout like, oh, I've just never been able to do that. That's just not in me. I don't have that willpower to do this or that. But you're right. It's built up over time.

Yeah, how many people say, I can't do that without my first cup, without my cup of coffee? That's so stupid. I don't function well on Mondays. I'm not a morning person. I'm not, right? And you just say you're not a morning person, but when you say you're not a morning person, all that means is you didn't get the eight hours that's required by human beings to get sleep. Like there's some people that can probably get seven and there's some situations where I'm sure that even though despite so many studies and things like that, there's some situations probably where some people might need a little bit less. But when you say you're not a morning person, it's just because you're going to bed so late.

It doesn't have anything to do with your physiological state. You're fine. You could be a morning person because then you dive deeper and you say, oh my God, really? And you ask the person and say, you ever had a flight at 5am, 6am? They're like, yep. Did you miss it? Nope. Weird. Yeah. It doesn't sound like you really have a problem. It just sounds like you like to go to bed later, which all that is fine. It's just that you have to figure out ways. How am I going to recover from this? And that's why, as we kind of mentioned in the very beginning, you, you have to really

fight to not get stuck. You can't get stuck in any one place. As we were talking about the transitions from one exercise to the next, it's, it's critical because what happens, you lose momentum. And I mentioned earlier that the hardest thing to ever do is just to start something. Once it started, there is a lot more work to do because now it's like oh shit i just started i've mentioned that before our boy uh and sema just started a podcast and then now he's going to be on the hook for continuing that podcast all the time right um but the hardest thing is to start it a lot lot of people talk about it and they'll never get it done. We've talked a ton about cowards talk about what they'll never do. Yeah.

Because there's a lot of people that will talk about stuff that they're not ever going to do. And that causes so much anxiety. It really, really does. You're, you're better off writing the idea down. Um,

the shoulds, the coulds, the woulds. You should, oh, you know what you should do? And it's like, you know what you should do? You should take that idea and shove it up your fucking ass. Because I have so much other shit that I'm working on all the time. And I don't talk about what I should do and what I could do. I'm talking about where I'm going to be and who I'm going to meet. As I mentioned earlier on

this podcast, people sometimes say, why do you wake up so early? And I said, you would wake up as early as me if you're going to meet the people I'm going to meet, if you're going to places that I'm going to go. I feel really fucking good every day. I feel really excited about life every day. I feel excited about super training, about slingshot, and about lifting, whether it's bodybuilding or powerlifting or whatever the fuck it is I'm trying to do. I'm super excited about it. And a lot of it has to do with over a long period of time, I started to try to handle more and more things. I tried to handle more work, but also I'm not dumb enough to get stuck. I'm not going to get stuck in a fucking internet fight with somebody. I'm not going to get stuck rummaging through hateful comments that are going to stir up

something else. There's things that I do in my daily life. And you hear people ask people that are successful all the time. What's your day? What's your day like? What's your day like? And then somebody will say, well, I, you know, I wake up and I eat breakfast, but they don't talk about the details. They don't talk about some of the little things that they do. Um, and those are the things that can really, uh, help somebody. Like for me, I won't look at my phone in my bed because I know that I'll, I know that I'll be messing around on it. Um, my phone is next to my bed, which that should be the next move is I should just get in the regular alarm clock and keep my phone in my like kitchen, which is downstairs. And I would never fuck with it at all.

There wouldn't be any chance for it to distract me at all. Old school alarm clock. Yeah. Just get an old school alarm clock. Um, there's things that just, I've talked a lot about on the, on the podcast before about just being conscious, being conscious of what it is that you're doing. Could you be off your phone more? Sure.

You could. Um, am I, you know, the owner of slingshot and, uh, the owner of super training, do I have to be on social media? No, I don't have to be, uh, does there need to be some reputation representation of what I do and what the brand does on social media? Yes. The answer is that it would probably be foolish to ignore social media. Yeah.

Because we've seen spikes in sales. And I mentioned certain things. And we just know it's good for the brand in general. But that's a place that you can get stuck. People can't afford to be stuck. Other things I've done in the past too, you know, I might make some notes on a post that I'm going to make. And then I'm like, you know what? The post doesn't have to happen right now. It really doesn't, it really doesn't matter that much, even though you want to put the post up. But

if, when it comes to these kinds of things, sounds so stupid to talk about, but when it comes to these kinds of things and you're with Phil Heath, or you're with someone, uh, you think people are going to really give a shit about that you're with snap a picture and say, I'm having a great day. Hope you are too done. Boom. It's over with. You ain't got to worry about it. And then if you want to do a bigger post about that person, um, think about it later, you know, and, and some notes and and it might take you 10 or 20 minutes but it's it's a it feels a lot better if you have a notepad and a pen than to sit there hunched over on your phone like a goddamn gorilla trying to type it in and trying to fucking delete it and

and all that stuff i i i know because i've all that. I've built the entire business off of the phone. I'm just waiting for Apple to hook me up with a scholarship. But you're absolutely right. Like taking some time away to actually formulate your thoughts, it helps a ton. Even sleeping on it, you know, doing it the next day, it's huge for your brain. Yeah, even like, you know, with like editing, right?

Like if you shoot a bunch of, if you shoot a bunch of cool stuff in the gym, or even if you shot a couple of cool pictures, be great. Grab a notebook. And, uh, for two minutes you write down, you know, pick a boring, smelly on the turf. That was good. This was kind of cool. And then you go home, go to bed. Next day, you look at the notes, and there's some information.

And you're like, oh, yeah, I wanted to make sure I got those photos touched up. Or you want to make sure you Photoshop the shit out of it so we look good. Never. And that's what you work on. The last podcast I had asked you if in regards to obtaining goals and whatnot or setting goals if it's if it's a good idea to ask or to tell somebody what your goals are and then just now you said uh people talk about what they're not gonna do i don't want people to think you're contradicting yourself um what you're saying right now is don't shout from the top of the buildings like,

I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, because you're not going to do any of it. But if you get started and you tell somebody like, hey, my goal is to lose 10 pounds over the next X amount of months. It's almost you're not even saying anything until you already started. Like I didn't announce this bodybuilding thing until I've been doing it for a couple of days, because I actually didn't know how it was going to feel how it's going to pan out what if i tried it for a couple days and i just really just hated it yeah whatever like just did just felt sick well it'd be stupid for me to stick it out just because i you know just because i said i was going to do it you know but yeah you want to tell other people your um you want to tell other people

what your goals are a goal is different than uh you shouting out um uh stuff stuff that you've been stuff that you had in your mind for a long time that you're still never going to act on you know that you're not going to act you you know You know in your heart the things that you say that you're not going to. You already know that. You really do know. You know. You can just tell. Like you can sense it when you say it.

And then sometimes you say it and you're like, oh, that was kind of dumb. But if you start to recognize those things more and more, I think it's important. Because then you don't have to worry about any of those things. Those are things that are not going to happen for now. And maybe you make a note of it. Maybe, you know, for me, like I know that I want to bench press 500 pounds again. And I said that in the gym a couple days ago. And somebody was like, when?

I was like, I'm not putting any time constraints on it. It's going to take a while, you know, like this is going to do pulling my body weight down like this is going to be weird. And then trying to figure out how to get the central nervous system and everything back and try to gain some size back. All that's just going to be a new experience. And I've never done it before in that way. So I don't really know how long it's going to be a new experience and i've never done it before in that way so i don't really know uh how long it's going to take and so you know i hope that it happens sometime in like

2019 um but you you need to be it's weird because in my opinion you need to if you're gonna have a great idea or great concept or you're going to be separated out from the crowd, what usually separates most people out from a crowd and what separates people out from even great people is being like uncompromising and having a mindset that's irrational and then it's like you know on one hand i might talk about you need to have rational thought towards your goals um but if you're going to have a great idea if you're going to be elon musk or you're going to be jeff bezos or you're going to be the rock then a lot of these things have to be irrational but remember the uh we got to make a little video of this remember what i've talked about before about um playing mario brothers and uh having mario jump onto the flagpole right you gotta time that jump just right but you're not gonna jump

until the last possible second and if you're going to have irrational thought it should be something that you're building you're building towards uh jeff bezos you know amazon was started as just a book company right they just they just sold books and uh he he probably didn't have a wild hair up his ass to do some of the weird shit he's doing now he's got some like fucking rocket that he's sending to mars and like you know it's probably just uh penis envy that he has for elon musk or whatever right that's some hair up his ass i know it's probably ingrown you know it's probably probably ingrown hair or spider bite maybe even who knows damn but uh you know those um it's it's important to have, thoughts that are uncompromising,

irrational, um, when it comes to certain things like, um, you know, somebody might say something like, you know, I really want to, um, I really want to do a keto diet, but I try it. And then I, you know, like, I, I just have like a little bit of bread here and there, but it's probably not a big deal. Right. Like, or I eat a little bit, you can't be, there's like no such thing as keto ish. You can be, you can be like, you could do low carb, you can do a low carb diet, but then the amount of fat that you take in would have to match up with, uh, how many carbs you're eating, you know? So if you

wanted to eat two or 300 grams of carbs a day, like for me for now, I'm eating about 200 grams of carbs a day. Um, I'm not really sure where the fat, how high the fat is, but it's definitely under a hundred. When I was doing keto, my fat was probably, uh, up around 250 or 300. You're so fat. I know that's a lot of fat, right? And so, fat. There's going to have to be adjustments, but you can't half-ass do stuff. You have to give things 100%. I hear it way too much. People talk about how they want to try all these different things and it's just

like just just start doing yeah just start getting involved just start just start do just start doing some of these things yeah how similar or it probably resembles that person in their workplace like yeah i do keto but i have bread here and there it's like oh you went for that promotion yeah but i didn't really give it my all or you. I didn't do the extra work that I should have, but I tried. So it probably resembles their diet. And you're like, what? That doesn't even make any sense. Or someone's like, yeah, I've tried keto before, but it didn't work. It wasn't for me. You've got to think about this. It's not your coach.

It's not your teacher. It's not your teacher. It's not your diet. It's your consistency that's the problem. You don't have consistency. Your math teacher wasn't a son of a bitch. He had it out for me, though. Yeah. Right.

Right. And that's why you couldn't figure out how to pass, how to pass right yeah and i was going to the nba too but my grades prevented me from playing because he he picked you out and he hated you and gave you a bad grade even when you got everything on the test right right i got most of it right it's uh it's the consistency that really will build everything up and it's consistency that will really build um a lot of character you know another thing i hear people do is that you know they constantly talk about um things being different when they're going to do this things being different when they're going to do that and they're not going to be any different because you

haven't changed you haven't changed your environment you haven't changed your environment. You haven't changed the things that you're doing. Willpower is actually kind of a weird thing. And I know that willpower won like the Indianapolis 500 this year. I don't know if you saw that, but the guy's name is Willpower. No shit. Yeah. The guy's name is fucking Willpower. And it was kind of all over the news.

It was really funny but willpower is a weird thing because it's not like um it's not it's not really a real thing it's just uh it's just in reference to um us having like resolve you know what i mean it's in reference to um a lot of people sticking to something that they set out to do for a long period of time you're like man that guy's got jay cutler that guy's got tremendous willpower uh but really it's uh it's just dedication that has been built up over time remember how many times i've talked about this you know if you want to be great at something you're going to have to be good at it right not only do you have to be good at it you have to be good at it for a really long time that's when somebody becomes great if joe rogan would have stopped his podcast five years ago he wouldn't be great but he kept it going and now he's probably he'll be the greatest podcaster we ever had until somebody else

comes along and you know that's that's just that's just the way things are you you have to stick it out for a really long time um somebody is not a great uh somebody's not a not a great husband or a great wife until they stuck it out for a while until they've done it for a while they're not a good boyfriend or good girlfriend until they until they've been through it for a while it take all these things they take they take time you're not a good dad you know until it's gonna take it takes a long time you're not gonna be a good dad uh just because you uh hung out with your kid till you're till he was five and then you fucking took off on everybody. That's five years.

That's a lot of years, but that's not the agreement. That's not what's supposed to happen when you have a kid. That's not the way that it works. It doesn't work that way. And so the things that you are obligated to do and the things that you need to be dedicated to, you don't have to be great at them. You just have to be good at them and you have to be dedicated to, you'll have to, you don't have to be great at them. You just have to be good at them and you have to be consistent with it.

Remember what I said earlier, it's not about your coach. It's not about your teacher. It's not about the diet doesn't work. The training doesn't work. Um, you hear fighters say it all the time, you know, like my fight camp was shit and this and that. It's like, it's none of that. It's just, you didn't focus in on what you needed to do.

And sometimes, you know, with sports like that, those high level sports, sometimes someone's just better than you. And that's a hard thing to figure out. But, but it does happen, but it's consistency. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, is there a diet or whatever food program that doesn't work? Like if somebody follows it, it's probably going to work, right?

Yeah, I think, I think most, I think most things will work. Um, maybe it might set somebody up, uh, for failure if, uh, because as I was going to get to in a minute was going to be that the environment has to change, right? So if you've been a heavy person all your life and you really love sweet

food, and I said, um, we're going to put you on, uh, if it fits your macros, right. Um, and again, you're a hundred percent, right? Like if you follow it and you'll be fine, but am I teetering with disaster? If I tell you that you can have skittles during your workout. You know, it's like you're not changing your environment is essential to you expanding, to you getting better, to you making progress. But your environment is not just the gym. It's not just your house. It's what's inside you. What's inside your brain. What's, what's going on in there. Another thing on top of that is in order to be successful at something like a diet, you have to, you know, you talk about when you have a kid, you childproof your home. If you have a kitten or you have a dog or a puppy or whatever you're going to kind of dog proof it

pet you know you're going to have gates up and like make sure the fucker doesn't like run outside into the traffic or whatever and then same thing with your child you know you're going to have things on the door so the kid can't figure out how to open up the front door and and just haul ass out of there and and run run onto the freeway, right? You're going to have things that block off the, um, uh, the, uh, electric, electric stuff, uh, the plugs and things like that, because you don't want them sticking their fingers in the sockets and stuff. And they're right at that height. And you know, that it could be dangerous. You don't want anything in the house that they could pull on top of themselves. You don't want anything that could pull on and then, you know, lands on

their head or something crazy. And so you have to, you have to child proof your home, but you need these precautions at every turn in your life. Uh, if you're going to make advancements anywhere and you have to fat proof your house, if you're going to, uh, if you're going to have progress with weight loss, um, if you're going to have progress, if you're going to have progress to change, um, let's even say that you're, uh, you know, you're a lot weaker than you want to be. You're not as big as you want to be. You're not as strong as you want to be. And every time, every time you, uh, you go to the gym, you're kind of known as the guy that always misses the weight. Like, Oh, great. Well, you have to change. You misses the weight like oh great well you have to change you have to change all that and you have to uh not have that mentality anymore of being that person

and you might have to tell people and they might laugh at you at first um in boxing it's called a sparring partner mentality and anybody that's seen rocky rocky's the greatest movie of all time um by the way i know i said back to the future is one of the all-time greats but and anybody that's seen Rocky, Rocky's the greatest movie of all time. Um, by the way, I know I said back to the future is one of the all time greats, but I just love Rocky so much, but back to the future, I think it's like the greatest family movie of all time, in my opinion.

That's fair. But the trilogy versus however many Rockies are now though, like in total, like as a whole, which one's better? Yeah. Rocky. Yeah. Rocky's great. Hands down. Yeah. Rocky's amazing because i i do love back to the future but it's really just the

first one in the third one the one in the western whatever that first one's so good yeah i think he's wearing a life preserver and it's just his uh jacket right but Who's Calvin? Yeah, all that. All that stuff. There's not another movie that's that creative like that, I don't think. That's so good. Bor might disagree

when he comes up here in a minute, but. Yeah. You know, the whole, some of the premise of Rocky, you know, where he's, that sparring partner syndrome,

right? Mm-hmm. Rocky had it so bad. He was this journeyman fighter who would get in these kind of grungy matches and these, uh, smoker fights, you know, uh, he would fight in front of a, you know, a few, a few hundred people, or he'd fight 150 people or whatever. And, uh, he would fight these shitty fighters and Mickey would make fun of them and he just had kind of, he was just a bum.

He was kind of a bum, another bum from the neighborhood. Right. And when he went in and Apollo, he talked to Apollo Creed's promoter or manager, whoever the guy was. They bring, they bring him into the office and he starts talking to the guy. And the guy's mentioning some different things to him and sylvester stallone is like hey you know i just want the champ to know like i'm gonna be a good sparring partner like i'm gonna fight clean and like he doesn't have to worry about anything i'm not gonna try to rough him up or take any cheap shots or anything like that and then the guy looks

at him like with a strange look and he's like do you understand what apollo creed is offering do you believe that america is the land of opportunity and he says well apollo creed does and he wants to give you the opportunity of a lifetime and i might have messed some of that up but that's that's the that's what he that's the dialogue pretty much and it's basically rocky doesn't understand that apollo creed actually wants to fight him for the title and then rocky is so unsure of himself he says oh you know i i wouldn't i don't you know i don't think i'd make a great you know i don't think i don't i don't think i'd make a great fight and so on like he's almost already talking himself out of it and then he kind of

has a it's on his eyes and you kind of see like he's doubting himself and all that kind of stuff but that's that uh mentality that a lot of us fall into you get known as being somebody and you get known as being a certain person maybe you're the guy that always tells dirty jokes maybe you're the guy that always eats too much or the guy that like eats a lot you know your guy that you're the guy that eats a lot and you're fat. Right. And it's like, how do you, how do you break the mold of that? You're going to have to figure out a way to change from being that person because who you are is, um, it's not who you think you are, as we mentioned before on this podcast. And it's, uh, it's has, it's more related to not even what other people think you are.

It's more related to what you think other people think that you are. And that's, and that's a hard thing to change because it's just a perception, but perception is reality. So how do we, how do we change it? And the way that we change it is the way we have to communicate. We have to tell people, we have to show people too. You know, um, you can't just talk. You have to show people. A lot of times your actions are going to speak louder than your words. Um, some, I've heard some people say before, you know, don't listen to what people say,

watch what they do. Don't listen to people. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do. Don't listen to people. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do. That is a, uh, it's a fucking, it's a, that's a goddamn brilliant, a brilliant quote, right?

Because, um, you can't just listen to some cool quote from somebody. It just is not going to mean anything until you see what they can do. Like Gary Vee, right? If you start listening to Gary Vee, you might be like oh my

god this guy is arrogant or this guy fuck man i can't handle it but watch what he does he's been talking about buying the new york jets for a long time there's going to be a day where he probably buys the new york jets and you're gonna be like fuck but you just see that a lot of the actions are a lot of the things that he his actions are matching up with the things that he has said in the past and that's why we don't talk about shit that we're not going to do we don't talk about shit unless our actions are starting to head in that direction there's just no reason to talk about it and we all we're all guilty of it i've said many times that i'm going to stretch more and i don't you know there's definitely there's always like everyone has

holes in their game there's no perfect being there's no, there's always like everyone has holes in their game. There's no perfect being. There's no perfect person. Yeah. How does the change start though? Like the mentality. The change starts by you recognizing that change is the most powerful weapon that you have. It's not your intelligence. It's not your strength.

It's not your resolve. It's not any of those things. It's actually the ability to change and the ability, not even just to change, but to adapt to the environment that you're in, adapt to, uh, adapt to what it is that you're going to do next. Because if you don't adapt to something, you're going to die. And I kind of feel like that, uh, with our company, I feel like that in my life in general, if I don't continue to pursue, uh, obviously like we're going to sell slingshots and we're going to continue to execute on a lot of these things, but we're going to look, we're going to look the company up and down and

try to make everything better all the time too, which is a part of change. A part of change is understanding that you might have the same job for 20 years. It doesn't mean that you're not changing. That doesn't mean that you don't have personal development going on. If you, um, you know, everybody should understand that they can, they can be better than they were yesterday. That's very simple thing to understand that. And that's how you're going to be able to make a change. You can make more money. If you make a hundred bucks a week, can you figure out a way to make 125 bucks? I'm sure you could. Um, if you make, uh, if you make, uh, if you make a thousand dollars a month, can you figure out a way to over a period of time? Can you figure out a way to make that

$1,500 a month? I would say, absolutely. You have the skillset to get a certain job. I would say absolutely you have the skill set to get a certain job You already did that and as long as you do your job and then some Then everything should be fine And if you work for somebody and you do your job and then some Make sure that you're recording that make sure that you communicate that with your boss And if they don't give you more money for you doing your job and then some then you leave and that's where you have to make bold decisions in your life because you can say And if they don't give you more money for you doing your job and then some, then you leave. And that's where you have to make bold decisions in your life because you can say, I'm not at that value anymore. It doesn't make any sense.

The things have changed. There's been a change going on, you know, but your boss isn't always going to, you know, there's a reason why they have those, you know, uh, TV shows where the boss, you know, does the work of the workers and stuff like that. Right. Because your boss isn't going to know these things. You have to keep track of what it is that you're doing. You have to keep track of these things and, you know, say, hey, well, you know, I just like you and I had a meeting at the end of the year. You're like, well, I'm taking on some of these new things. And it's like, there's not even any reason for us to debate it oh well you know like no there's it doesn't make any sense

you're doing more you're giving us more we're getting more all right here's more money right i mean it's just the way that's the way a lot of these things have to be but but as long as there's substance there you know you can't just, yeah. Yeah. If you said, if you said, Hey, I'd like a raise. And I,

and if I, if I said, uh, okay, what's, what's changed. And you're like, I don't know.

Yeah. I'll be like, well, I don't know. I don't know either. Maybe you should make less. Yeah. And then that prevents the,

the feeling of feeling, uh, arrogant, you know, and trying to like, whatever peacock or whatever. Yeah. Cause like, if you have, like you said, you, you put points on the know, and trying to like, whatever, peacock or whatever. Yeah. Because like if you have, like you said, you put points on the scoreboard, it's not bragging,

it's just stating facts. And I think that's huge. That's something I've learned from you. You know, it's really hard for me to brag about shit that we do, but we do some really cool stuff. And I need to get better about posting it on social media and stuff, but I'm too busy doing other stuff. Too busy working.

A little bit. Um, yeah, everybody possesses the ability to get better, you know, um, for, for,

you know, millions and millions of people. We have enough health. Uh, we have enough of a brain. We have enough, uh, of our of a brain we have enough of our body that we can figure out ways of being better every single day um and you know to that this is where things get to be really dangerous because when you look at what other people are doing

and you focus in on what other people are doing that's when we fuck up because we're like oh man i want to like i wish I could do that. Or I wish I could be like that guy or wish I could be like that girl. I wish I could, uh, you know, I, I wish I could, uh, talk like that person. I wish I could run like that person. I wish I could jump like that person or lift like that person. Those are all like natural things that will happen, but you have to, you have to examine, is it healthy for you to think that way?

Is it actually just inspiration and motivation or is it, uh, is it something that's kind of toxic to you? Is it giving you, is it, is it giving you a stink face? Is it kind of like tensing you up? Is it when you see that somebody uh posts a picture with a new ferrari are you like god damn that'd be so cool to work hard and to one day be in that position or sometimes you see some of these entrepreneurs and they have a plane private jet in the background right are you you know filled up with tons of anxiety? Oh my God, I got

to figure that. How do I figure, you know, I'm only, you know, I make, I make 50 grand a year and I have all these bills and I'll never be able to figure that out. And I, well, it's like, man, that's not a healthy spot to be in. Maybe you just shouldn't follow that person for a while. If that's, if you can't handle it, if you see it and you're like i ain't liking that picture everybody that you follow you should be liking their pictures pretty much because why are you following and you're following them to not like them following to not comment on them like why you know start start to cut it down a little bit start to cut back a little bit or do you have other intentions you have other reasons for following them are you following

them to try to raise your own social media status so you can comment on their thing and then get kind of bumped up the ladder, right? That's what a lot of people do. And they'll do it day in and day out. Or are they really following it? Are they really inspired by it? Do they really enjoy what they're seeing? And is it really like part of a story for them? They're like, wow, you know, some of these people that I meet at shows that stand in line for three hours those people are really truly following but why are other people following just so they can see me like hanging with my brother and training in the gym so they could not like it or make some weird comment like oh there's the steroid brothers or whatever i don't know like they're they're just going to say something stupid, right? Fucking haters.

Yeah. Like, why bother following? Like, what's the point? It's probably just to get them. Misery loves company, right? Yeah. Sometimes people just love to stir the pot. Anyway, Bor, if you're awake, come over here. Uh-oh.

Ladies and gentlemen. Oh, my God. He wasn't even scheduled to be on the program, ladies and gentlemen. Oh my God. He wasn't even scheduled to be on the program, ladies and gentlemen. Oh my God. What's going on? Where'd you come from? Los Angeles. Oh, no, I meant like just now.

That chair. Oh, I thought you like propelled. Sitting in the crowd watching us the whole time. Came out of the crowd like Hillbilly jim remember that absolutely yeah that's mid-health came out of the crowd oh matt brown matt brown came out of the fucking crowd you know about that a lot of people come out of the crowd but i mean not in the ufc though no no but he well no uh but tank abbott knocked somebody out that was in the crowd. Remember that? Remember that? Remember that shit? What did Matt Brown do?

Matt Brown came out of the crowd. He like. Fight somebody? Yeah. He was out of, he was out of fight. It's, it was his first fight ever. He went there, uh, with a friend and his friend lost the fight. And then, um, they went to like the next round.

They're like, who wants to fight the champ and this guy was like talking shit and Matt Brown's like I'll fight him and Matt Brown went and he went to a sporting goods store

he got a cup and a jock strap and a mouthpiece and he fucking melded the mouthpiece he like heated it up and he went to a

restaurant across the street to use their microwave to heat up his mouthpiece. Yeah, get it done. And he won the fight? Yeah, he won it in any one. That's almost as... He came out of the crowd.

It's actually better than the time when Louie Simmons tried to body slam Big John Studd. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wasn't Louie... Did I make that up in my head? No, no, no. The old days of wrestling. Well, everybody, in the old days of wrestling, they used to have like a body slam challenge. You know, the old AWA wrestling.

I hate to say it, but every time I see somebody that's like 500 pounds, I'm always like, I always think of that $10,000 body slam challenge. Could you do it? Yeah, they had a body slam challenge. And then they would just like ask the crowd, like, can anybody, you know? And a lot of times, you know, it's wrestling. So it was like some sort of setup. But with Louie Simmons, he was with a group of other guys and everybody was all fired up. And then they kept pointing him because he's really strong.

And they're like, oh, you got to do it. You got to do it. And they called him up there. And of course he couldn't budge. Like he's trying to, he's trying to body slam. Because Big John Studd is six foot 10. I know, but he was trying to body slam like Haystacks Calhoun or something. Oh, it wasn't Big John Studd.

It was somebody different. No, he definitely wouldn't have a shot at body slamming Big John Studd. I remember it was somebody that he definitely was involved. Look up Haystacks Calhoun. This is a big boy. I think Haystacks Calhoun might have been, I mean, like in an older era even. Maybe, maybe, but it was somebody like that. It could have been Haystack. King Kong Bundy?

I don't know. Wasn't King Kong Bundy great? I'm going to have to call up Louie Simmons. He'll be like, it was Big John Stud. It was 300. He'll give you all his numbers. Big John Stud was huge. What a great name, Big John Stud. They call me Big John Stud. My middle name, Mud.

Yeah, it is. Our names suck. Shaquille O'Neal or John Studd. My middle name, Mud. That's like a rapper. Yeah, it is. Our middle, our name sucks. Shaquille O'Neal or something, right? No, no, no. It's in a, isn't it in a True Foo Schnickens or something? No, I think that might have been Method Man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They call me Big John Studd.

My middle name, Mud. What song is it from, though? I'll figure it out. I don't know. Now I'm just going to be sitting here trying to rap. They call me Big John Studd, my middle name. Is it Redman? No.

I'm pretty sure it's Method Man. But I remember it being a big deal when that. Whoa. There's Haystack's Galvoon. Hey, now. That was a big boy. Dude. That's when overalls were cool, man.

Back in the day. Those are beautiful. It's Mark's squat suit. Those cool, man. Back in the day. Look at those things. Those are beautiful. It's Mark's squat suit. Those things are beautiful. Overalls are actually a necessity for people that have a big waist and they have no ass. Their pants just fall down all the time.

You can't put pants on. Nikolai Volkov was actually huge. Look at his, it's Nikolai Volkov. Nikolai Volkov was actually huge. Like, look at his physique. He's not, like, he's. Yeah, remember Nikolai Volkov, his. He's actually huge. Look at him. His, like, wrestling trunks were huge.

Like, why are they so big? But that's why you didn't. They're pulled up. You didn't really notice. He didn't have, like, a cut physique. But, I mean, he's gigantic. Well, he's trying to Lululemon the fight, you know. He's pulling the tights up so high.

He's stuffing all his chub down there. He's horking them. Yeah, he's horking them up. high, he's stuffing all his chub down there. He's horking them. Yeah, that's what all the girls do. That's a gym shark. Yeah. It's like, I always say that they look like,

all the girls now look like Legion of Doom. And they have their pants, remember, like Legion of Doom. Yeah, their pants are just under the teeth. They pull the pants way out. And it's like,

you know, the camel toes going on. There's lots of things going on. Who wore it better, the Legion of Doom or gym shark girls? Mm-hmm. I know. It's like the same pants,. Who wore it better? The Legion of Doom or Gymshark Girls? It's like the same pants, which is hilarious.

I remember when... Oh, raking it. Yokozuna? Yeah, Yokozuna used to sit on people. I remember when he got body slammed. Was it Lex Luger? Yeah. I remember it was a huge deal. Do you remember El Gigante? I remember you talking about him in that restaurant that he used to eat.

Also, El Gigante used to wear this. Look up El Gigante. He used to wear this suit. It was like a human. That suit was terrible. It's like a skin-colored suit with hair on it. It's awful. It is the worst wrestling outfit ever.

Look up El Gigante. E-L-G-I-A-G or G-I-G a g or g i g come on bro i got it oh yeah that's right you're you don't know how to spell gigante hey look it's spanish el gigante is that him no no i don't know who that is i do know who that is but i can't it's um that hair wait el gigante can That's a manager. Oh, but he might. There he is. Oh.

But look up. But wasn't he didn't have a different name? Yeah, WWF. He had it. Yeah. He's really young right there. Ew. Damn, he is big. Yeah, how tall was that guy?

Wait, what was his name in WWE, though? He had a different name. Remember, he was like. I couldn't tell you. Look up El Gigante WWF. He had a different name. Remember, he was like a... I couldn't tell you. Anyway. Look up El Gigante WWF. El Gigante WrestleMania or something. It'll come up.

It had a different... I think he had a different... I don't know if he had a different name. You don't remember? I don't. What are we doing with this goddamn nutrition movie? You're the director. What's going on?

We're working on it. I think a lot of it has to do with taking going on um we're working on it you know like i think um a lot of it has to do with uh taking into consideration like what we're actually doing so um a lot of it is a learning experience we filmed a bunch of stuff but we got more a lot more work to do i i think yeah i mean all these films are a process i mean to me um they are they're really these crazy things that take on their own life so you know it's like you go out and you film a bunch of stuff and then you start going in one direction you're like i don't know if that's the exact right direction to go and maybe we should have some more seems uh you

just kind of bounce back it seems really important you know because like with uh, with like prescription thugs with, um, bigger, stronger, faster with leaf of faith with all these movies. Um, people can watch them and they can kind of make the, they can make their own, you know, they can make their own assessment of what is best for them to do. But like people don't have to take steroids, but they should. Um, people don't have to take Kratom, but they can become more aware of what it does. Maybe some people that watch don't have any prescription drug problems, but it's good to be aware of these things, right? But everybody has to eat. Sure. I know the one thing that's really important is not saying the wrong thing.

So if you want to be an authority on something, like if I was going to write a book, for example, you wrote a book, it was really short, war on carbs. And what's great about it is that it is really short. If you really wanted to write like a 400 page book, I would say like,

if you didn't research the shit out of it for like two years, then, then you're selling everybody short. You know, if you're going to write something that's like a simple little manual like that and sell it, you know, and like just boom,

put it out and give it as a program, I think that that's awesome. But I think if you're going to do something like this movie, this movie is going to be, like that book will be around forever,

but this movie is going to be something that people take as like sort of their first volume of anything they've learned about nutrition. You know,

when we talk to people, I talked to Thomas DeLauer today, who's a great keto advocate. He's I, and so I hit him up and I said, Hey, book him for July down. We already booked him. I already did it. That's what I, that's why I did. I hit him up and I said, Hey, we want to get together in July. He said, this is crazy because I, the reason I'm in shape is because of your movie. That's what got me in shape was bigger, stronger, faster. I use that as motivation to go from being 300 pounds to being in great shape. And I think that that's awesome because now we're going to, he's in amazing shape. Well, now we're going to take Thomas the Lauer and

we're going to, and now I'm asking him a bunch of questions. Like how, like, I want to get to where you're at. How did you get to that place? He knows a lot. Well, what's awesome is like I said, it's disingenuous not to go and research the shit out of something if you want to be an expert. He wanted to be an expert. He made himself one, you know, and he's figured it out. Some of the advice, too, can be, like, so far. Like, he's a good example because he talks about, like, pure keto. And, you know, people may not have to.

I think the war on carbs is, like, a mild. It's pretty mild, you know, in terms of, like of I don't really go all crazy about protein requirements. All I want people to do is get used to the food. I want them to try to eliminate carbohydrates from their lifestyle. I would like to see most people try to go about two weeks with keeping the carbs real low, especially in the beginning so they can kind of learn and they can feel what it's like to not have all that crap in their body. so they can kind of learn and they can feel what it's like to not have all that crap in their body. They can learn how to run off of fats and they can concentrate on what's important.

And what's important is just getting rid of all that bullshit and having your body start to feel good, start to lose some weight, get momentum going. Yeah, I think it's interesting. I was talking to Stone Cold on his podcast like the other day, and we were talking about the difference between people that like numbers and people that don't. Oh, he's obsessed. Well, he's obsessed with numbers. How many grams is that? How many?

And I keep trying to tell him, I'm not interested in that at all. I'm not interested in helping people by telling them how much they need to do because I think that that's putting somebody in a bad position. Now you're putting somebody in a position where they need a scale and they need, they need some way of weighing it. And like, not like I'm saying, Hey, just eat a fucking steak. Multiply your body weight by 16 or something. You're like, well, it's like, just no, like, look, just have a steak. Are you still hungry? Like, yeah, I'm still hungry.

And now I understand like for stone cold, that's hard to wrap his head around. So what I do with people like intuitive eating and how I, and how I can help, like what I'm trying to do is learn better in this process. What I'm really trying to learn is how I can better help people. Yeah. Well, the worst thing that you can do is service people. Well, the worst thing you can do is somebody comes to you and they're like, I write everything down and I'm tracking, you know, what do I do?

The worst thing you can do is say, don't do that anymore. Yeah. Don't do that and throw it out. You can encourage them. So you can say, okay, well, if you want to break it down into numbers, here's some guidelines. You know, and that's a safer way to do it because you don't want to shut that person down. If that's the way that they live their life, then they probably have a lot of anxiety and they probably take everything that they do pretty seriously. But that's just the way some people are.

that's just the way some people are. And then I also think on the other flip side of it, telling people how you do do it is really important because, uh, a lot of people are, are approaching nutrition for the very first time. Like you just talked about Greg a little while ago, Greg has never had any training in nutrition. So every habit that we teach Greg is a good one, right? So a lot of times, um, you know, people won't, they won't do something in the diet because they already have a bad habit that tells them like, no, I'm going to do that anyway, even though you said, you know, not to do it or whatever. So Greg's learning all good habits. He's not measuring anything. He's not testing his ketones, but he's getting great results.

And when those results stop, maybe we'll start doing some of those other things with them, but not, not yet. You know, it's not. One thing I always like to say is like, you know, that's not our fight. You know, that's the, our fight is not not our fight. Our fight is not that. Our fight is not to measure ketones. Our fight is not, I'm not worried about you having a diet Coke two or three times a day when you first start the diet. It's just not where the fight is. The fight is, how do we get all this bullshit out of your diet for a while?

How do we make a more positive more as much as people hate it and they hate when we say it and i'm i'm just gonna start going going i'm just gonna start saying it because i i actually truly believe it the more and more i study like carbs are the problem in our country for sure like that it's it's it's the carbs throw away the script for for 90 of the worked so hard on that script. I know. We just keep coming back to that. We keep coming back to that every single time. And when people ask me like, dude, you're getting in such great shape.

Every single time I get in better shape, every single time I get stronger, it's because I'm going more towards 100% carnivore. For me, that's working really well right now. And like I said, I'm not going to stop doing anything until it stops working. So right now that's been working for like five or six months. It's kind of amazing to me. So because it's been working for such a long time, I'm decided to stay on this and, and ride this train for a little while. Now there's going to be a certain point where I do get, well, right now I'm still 17% body fat. So if I get down.

You haven't tested recently? Uh, yeah. 17%. That's the lowest I've gotten to. Oh my God. You guys got to run this for a second. I got to pee. Yeah.

That's, that's on an in body testing at, uh, you know, 17% body fat. That's huge. Well, yeah, it's great. I started at like 30 something. Yeah. You know, and, uh, and just keep coming down each time is, is nice to see. Uh, but there will be a point where I get down to like, um, I don't know if I'll even ever get to 10%. I don't know. I was trying to figure that out today. I was looking at pictures of Thomas Delore as I'm talking to him going like, damn, this guy's so shredded.

Can I get there? You know, and I, I'm sure I can, but I know like, it's actually going to be a whole nother fight to get there. So, you know, uh, I look at it and like, I'm working really hard right now. And I just said, yeah, carbs are the problem for most people for most people. And I can keep reiterating that for most people. Uh, the more I keep going away from carbs and towards the more meat, the more carnivore, the more like my diet, just to go back and explain it. It's a carnivore diet. It's mostly red meat. It's like 90% red meat, 10%, um, other things like such as cottage cheese or an apple

here and there, but usually not like a protein, a quest bar or like something like that. Like one, maybe like one or two things off the diet, maybe like 200 to 400 calories that are not even, I wouldn't even say off the diet that are just maybe not meat. You know, they're not, they're not, I don't eat Oreos, but I, but I'll have like something like a cup of cottage cheese or a cup of yogurt or something like that. That's maybe not meat. And I just, uh, that's, that's how I just stay sane. You know, like every day I'll be like, I'll have something. I, I try to provide as much variety in there. I really believe in a lot in what Rob Wolf has taught us. Rob Wolf actually said something interesting that he's saying, you know, I don't disagree with Dr. Baker at all on what he's saying about nutrient density and eating red meat.

I think that's very important. However, if I was going to do a carnivore diet, I would experiment with the vast variety that exists. So rather than just eat a red meat, maybe some red meat, some seafood, some shellfish, some, you know, some white meat. That actually does seem like a lot safer bet. And then also to, um, you know, I do think that there is a reason, uh, you know, it's very obvious that you can live off of red meat and be totally fine, but I do think there's a reason why there's, uh, you know, vegetables and fruit. I think they exist for,

I think they risk. The other thing I, I question about, you know, I question this about the carnivore diet. I actually question about every diet is like, we seem to have a lot, a ton of research on, um, all these tribes, all these Indians, all this anthropology on people. The one thing I never see in anthropology is how many calories people eat a day. It's like almost never broken down. I'm like, maybe people were eating because they didn't have as much food. Well, people just also weren't, they weren't like optimal. Like the builds and stuff too.

They weren't, it wasn't like they were impressive. No, no, no. Because they weren't like, they weren't like optimal, like the, the, the builds and stuff too. They weren't, it wasn't like they were impressive. No, no, no. Because they weren't like, they were like training and shit. Yeah. What were people, and, and so that's, that's another thing that I get to. It's like a hundred, I need 137 grams of protein just for muscle protein, for, for muscle synthesis to take place. Otherwise I'm not going to get bigger. Now.

Which, like. That's interesting. Yeah. That's a bigger now, which like, that's interesting. Yeah. That's a lot. Well, there's some like unnatural things, right? Like, cause like, like lifting weights is, is not a natural thing. Now we have stimulus, right? We didn't, people didn't have, you know, 20 inch arms and all these different things, you know, and there's, you know, everybody wants to try to keep stuff, you know, pigeonholed into this category, but it's, we have artificial exercise and well, maybe we weren't, maybe as human beings, we weren't actually made to get bigger than we're supposed to get. I mean, animals don't get

not don't get bigger than they're supposed to be. So there, there might be something to that. And that's why I always had that, uh, that body fat, um, you know, that, that body fat thing, basically saying if somebody is over 220 pounds and if they're 10%, they're under 10% body fat, they're probably on shit. Because the human body's not really made to carry that much muscle. It's not designed. Now, you have outliers because you got people that are really tall, you know. Occasionally, you have outliers. Some of the 6'8 doesn't apply to them.

But Sean Baker, 6'5, 250, a lot of muscle on him. You know, that's probably upper limit of where people get to be that big, you know, natural, right. Upper limit of strength and size. There can always be, uh, you know, people that are kind of in the mix, but I also think that, you know, spinach and kale and all these things, we can sit here and argue about it, having weird stuff in it that our body doesn't uh do well with or whatever but like why does it why is it there and why does it have things that our body needs like isn't that a sign that we need it well we we definitely need we've got potassium in it it's got you know magnesium it's got all kinds of stuff the thing i think people forget is that there is such a symbiotic relationship between plants and animals that we need both of them.

Like we need them really badly without plants. We don't breathe, you know, and without animals, plants don't live. Plants don't grow. Plants won't grow in the soil without dead animals. Like we need dead animals to fertilize the soil and we need the soil to give us plants and we need the plants to give us oxygen. So we need all of it, including poop and lots of poop. Turns out his name was Giant Gonzalez. Oh, Giant Gonzalez.

Yeah, that's right. Can we see a picture of his outfit? There it is. Because Smelly used to have this outfit. No, he did. He used to wear this. Yeah, all the time. All the time, every day.

Smelly used to wear this all the time in our house. I don't know why he'd wear that. It was really weird it was awkward that'd be awesome to have that I would kill to have that thing look at that suit look at

it's got like a weird dick thing what's the penis yeah like the penis is like a muscle it's like an ab what were they thinking and you know that was

Vince McMahon's idea the penis is the seventh ab yeah on him like it's like a weird triangle shaped thing look at the ass. Couldn't he have been at least like

can you put a loincloth over this thing? Couldn't he just get it? Which way is he's got no muscle? I mean he's so cheap. The cheapest. I mean look at that. Harvey Whippleman was his manager. What do you think of some of the things I was saying over there?

You know, um, when I was, uh, talking over here and Andrew and I were going back and forth on our little rant, you know, about people kind of saying, you know, things are going to be different when I do this or do that. Um, people talking about their goals and their goals, not really matching up with the actions that they're taking and things like that. Yeah. I think I was guilty of a lot of that too. You know, I think that a lot of times we, we think that we deserve things.

We think that maybe things should be handed to us. We think that maybe we've done enough. Like I've done three movies. Why doesn't somebody come and sign me? It's like, life doesn't work that way. You know, like I talked about, I talked about that on fighter and the kid a little bit. They're like, you know, Hey, you've done some great things. And like, you know, Netflix isn't paying them.

They're not paying you. And it's like, they don't do that. Like they didn't do that to you guys either. And who's they? Well, nobody came to Brian Callen and Brendan Schaub and said, we're going to give you guys a shot. Like they made their own podcast. And so they're asking me, why doesn't Netflix come pay?

I'm like, why don't they come and pay you guys? Like, that's, it's a really interesting question, right? Because there aren't, it's, we, we do see people that, that do get those things. We'll see like a YouTube star sign that, you know, a $10 million deal or something like that. But like, you're right. Like saying, oh, it's going to be different when, or it's going to, I'm going to try to do it like this guy, or I'm going to try to do it like that guy. It's like, we, nobody ever follows the same path. That's like the first thing that you need to realize. And the second thing you need to realize is you personally need to start, you need to, you need to work until you get there. That's the bottom line. That's all it is.

Like Gary Vaynerchuk might've gotten there quicker than you or better than you or faster than you. He might've wrote a book to get there. You might have started a gym to get there. You know, there there's different, there's different ways to get to where we want to get, but like until you're there, you can't stop to stop and complain. You can't stop and be content. You can't stop and be complacent. You have to keep your feet moving. And that's what I've learned. Like I, you know, I just finished a leaf of faith and we, before we even finished a leaf of faith, we were filming the next movie and I have two other scripted projects and a reality show that are up in the air right now and products, projects with Kratom as well. So you have to have all your plates spinning all the time and they always have to be moving and you can't ever stop

because when you stop, then you're dead. You know, and I, I think, um, before I went to rehab, there was a time there where I, where I did stop and I was content and I was, uh, doing just the bare minimum to get by and survive. And I don't want to live my life that way anymore. You know, yeah. People need to take responsibility for, you know, the things that they do. And I heard somebody say something the other day, like, uh, I heard a couple of different things. I listened to a lot of YouTube videos, but this guy, one guy in particular was just saying like, the world just needs more leaders, you know? And that's kind of what you and I are trying to do with this movie. We're trying to be like a material expert. Um, not that we're going to like, you know, draw up a fucking, uh, sketch of what a ketone looks as a molecule or whatever, like anything like that. But we want to have enough knowledge so we can supply the

public, uh, where they can make good positive, uh, changes. I think, I think that's the problem. I think that the people that are really into keto are so into it that they, they don't see the bigger picture and the bigger pictures. There's a lot of people out there that, uh, that really need help. Right. So there are a lot of people that are, that are really into it and really intricate about it and that's great. And we need those people. However, for you and I, I think our, our mission is bigger and broader where

like we need to, we need to get a broader message out to more people. And, and the way to do that is to, uh, cast a wire net. And the way to do that is be more inclusive on everything. And you have to, um, have it be for everybody. You have to help yourself, you know, like, uh, with Greg, Greg's known us forever. We've known him forever. We've eaten with him a lot. He's, uh, you know, seen us eat at Mexican restaurants and we don't eat the chips.

He's seen us eat at all different kinds of places, even like a fast food restaurant. We just get the meat or whatever, you know, whatever changes we made to try to follow the best possible diet for us. And, you know, he would go the opposite. He'd be like, I ain't doing that. Like, I don't. How do you not eat the chips? I think he thought it was a. Well, now, now he just posted on Facebook the other day.

I just woke up and realized I'm doing all this research on this new movie I'm doing with Chris Bell. And I just woke up this morning and realized I spent my whole life being fat and now I'm pissed off because I didn't, I didn't need to go through all this torture. I didn't, I'm almost 50 years old. I didn't need to go through this pain, this excruciating, like people don't think that it's excruciating pain. They don't think that it's bad, but like, I I've thought about my weight every single day since I've been, you know, 13 years old, I thought I was fat. And so for me, it affects me every day. I don't know if it affects Mark. I don't really talk to him about like body image issues, but I know for me, it affects me all the time. Like all crazy. Yeah.

I always think about what I feel really good at, you know, I, I, um, you know, being like the, I don't know, being like the baby of the family, I was in a little bit different spot. And, uh, you know, I, I learned at a really young age, not to really bother to compare myself. I never felt like there was like sibling rivalry or anything like that. So I, I never really worried about any, anything external. Um, yeah, not, I mean, I always liked lifting and I always liked exercise and sports and stuff but uh it was never anything that i got like too caught up and even when i got fat when i got fat the first time uh for powerlifting there was definitely i definitely didn't care i was just like um it was

it was it was me working towards my goals is what it was and that's that's all that it was the second and third time. Like, you know, as, as I got older and it got deeper into my career, it kind of bothered me because I was becoming more popular. And then, you know, you have people making weird comments and it's like, you're trying to explain to them, you're like, I'm fat because I'm trying to do this. I just need the extra body weight, need the extra cushion to try to reach some of my goals. I tried the best I could, tried the hardest I could, and accomplished everything that I wanted to accomplish,

except for benching that 600 pounds, which is just a thing that happened later in my career that I just should have stayed retired for, probably, because it wasn't anything that I really needed. It was just something that I wanted. really, uh, it wasn't anything that I really needed. It was just something that I wanted, you know? Yeah. And, and it's weird because like, I actually thought for me that any sort of power lifting was, uh, was over with, but now I'm, I'm getting back into lifting, you know, heavier and feeling good. And I don't know if that'll last forever. I don't know if that'll last for just right now, but for right now I feel good. So I always tell people take it when you can get it, you know, right now I feel good. I i'm gonna keep taking it until that starts breaking down a little bit you know oh my god i think this is

like a thousand uh a thousand three squat or something i can't remember which squat this is but from what i remember i shoot it up there pretty easy um we're just watching we were watching some old some old school shit this is the meet where I squatted 1,080, you know, loading up in the squat suit and the knee wraps and all that shit. That's so crazy. And, you know, what's funny is that, you know, this is a— I don't really care too much about your depth there. 1,080 squat, right?

That one's better. Yeah. That one's good. Yeah, sometimes they're spot on and sometimes they're not you know um but the funny thing is well in the squat suit days

it was just it was different you know everything was different kind of which squat was in bigger stronger faster how much weight was on there yeah which one

uh 843 okay yeah he wasn't that strong in bigger stronger fast he got really strong right after like he

well he was strong he was really strong. He benched 705 and stuff, but he wasn't full strength until quite a while later. Until later on. Look at those elbow sleeves.

Somebody else's, right? Yeah. This is all the old shit. The dedication to any of these one thing, it's just important that people understand that if you're currently dedicated to anything, if you are your son or daughter's baseball coach and you're at practice every day and you're working hard and you're you're on time and you're reliable, well, then you can be reliable for yourself. You can be reliable to yourself. I think a lot of times, you know, people are kind of waiting for somebody to help them or waiting for something, you know, great to come along or something great to happen. And it's not going to really happen until you do it for yourself. You know, I heard somebody the other day basically say, you know, if you could pick anybody in this room to be like sponsored by, who would it be? And the guy was like, the answer should be that yourself, like you're going to carry

yourself. You're going to handle yourself. You don't need, because whenever there's a financial exchange, now all of a sudden that guy, for some reasons, got like a one, he's like one up on you, right? He's, he's the leader. He's the boss. He's whatever. Um, but you should be able to take care of yourself.

You should be able to handle yourself. You should be able to, when it comes to your nutrition, you should be able to fix it. When it comes to pain and different ailments, you should be able to work on figuring out ways of making whatever situation you're in, just making it better. Do you guys ever feel anxiety when, like, Fourth of July is coming around? Because you're like, fuck, there there's gonna be all kinds of food you know no i would feel anxiety about like um things like pool like somebody be like yeah we're having this pool party i'd be like well fuck i've lifted weights my entire life and i can't even go to a pool party and take my shirt off because i look like shit i look like a big fat slob because that's you know because i don't know how to eat

right and so that's the stuff that i would shy away from i'd say like ah yeah i'm not gonna go to that stupid thing you know but just because i don't want to go and stand that at a pool party with my shirt on i don't want to jump in the pool with a bunch of girls around with my shirt on because i'm too fat you know what i mean so you should have went with your shorts off up until like i know up until like this year i i'm not i'm still not even comfortable with it i still feel really weird oh, I still got all this fat to get rid of and I still want my arms to be bigger. So I have these issues that I'm sure eventually you get over them and you're just like, whatever. Like, I feel way better now. I'm not embarrassed to take my shirt off, but I still feel like somebody's going to slip one in there. Somebody's going to say something, you know, you're just waiting.

Like I read all the comments on Instagram and you're like, you're just waiting for one of them to be like, ah, you're still fat. And it never is. It never is. You know, like that's the one thing is I have a lot of great followers on Instagram that are very supportive and very down with it. Now when you get more though, it'll happen. Yeah. When you get a million, then you'll get, you're going to be like, you're still fat. Yeah, exactly.

Because that's where it comes in a lot. The more popular you get, the more you're a target. But then that's just like the stronger you need to be, you know? Yeah. And then you get all kinds of dick pics. Yeah. I can't wait for those. Whoa.

So have you told them about our DM sliding pants? A little bit. I had a, um, no friction. I got a, uh, a message from a guy from Sweden today who was naked in the shower and asked me if I liked it. Oh my God. I told him I loved it. You know, obviously I love, yeah, I loved it, but I'm going to have to block you because

my other boyfriends will get mad. Why, why do you think, why do you think you feel that way about yourself? Um, I don't know. Like, why do you think you feel fat if everyone else, no one else is saying that you're fat? I don't know. Why do I feel that way now? What do you weigh? Right now, 190.

190? That's a pretty good weight for your height. That's still considered obese. Or overweight. Way overweight. Is there a weight that you want to be? Yeah, about 170 165 170 you know around there i think you know i think i think that that's it's it's healthy

um i i still can't i'm like dude i i guess you just have to stop lifting weights to lose to lose a lot of muscle you gotta like not eat as much protein also but i don't get smaller even when i like lose weight i'm just losing fat yeah well because it's kind of the gary that gary top syndrome you're you're a certain person yeah you know and you are the byproduct of every thought every everything that you ever thought about yourself everything other people ever thought or said or any of these things it's all stuck in your system and it's going going to take, you know, a real change of everything in your head, everything in your body, all the food.

It's going to be a huge change. It will take a long time. You said the other day, like, how do I, how I would like to like kind of tighten up. And I said, it's going to take a year. Yeah. And that's just, that's just honesty. That's like reality.

12 to 16 months is going to be, stay at this weight and continue to get lighter. And that's what it's just honesty that's like reality 12 to 16 months is is gonna be the reason is wait and continue to get lighter and that's what's gonna i think the reason i said that to you is because you're realistic you're like you know what just actually what you're doing is actually working really well and if you just stay with what you're doing you don't have to make it any harder to get there you'll you'll get there it'll just take longer now like i know that i could do stuff like i could do uh sparing, you know, protein sparing, modified fast and all that stuff. And I can lose weight, like, really fast. But then I'm just going to gain it back because we already know that.

We've already seen that a million times. Like, people do that to get down to another level. And they use fasting and they use all these things. And then when they get down that level, they come back and they gain back the 20 pounds. Fasting is really. It's interesting. It's really beneficial. And is really it's interesting is really beneficial and i think it i think it's awesome uh especially in conjunction with the

ketogenic diet and i'm not talking about like crazy crazy fasting i'm talking about like intermittent fasting intermittent fasting and throwing in a day here and there yeah 18 to 24 hours or 16 to 24 hours um i think can really be real beneficial. And then people are like, well, what about your strength? Your strength, it's not going to, you're not eating food. You're choosing to consume less food. Your strength is not going to be great. If you're going to do, if you're going to, if you're going to start to try to lose weight and you're losing a pound or two every week, your strength is going to go down.

If you lose weight slower, you might have different results. Like you said, you're, you're, you're getting stronger, but you're also getting stronger because you've been approximately the same body weight for a little while. Right. Yeah. Kind of like, I'm not getting stronger than I ever was. Like, that's the other thing is that I was a lot stronger in the past. I'm not going to show them that I ever was, but I'm getting my strength.

Stronger than you've been in like 20 years. Yeah. 15 years. Probably because you're feeling less pain though. Right. A lot of it has to do with. Probably because you're feeling less pain though, right? A lot of it has to do with feeling less pain. And feeling less pain has to do with a whole lot of different things. It's not just a kratom.

It's not just one thing. There's a whole lot that's involved in that. And then when I get up every morning, there's about an hour that it takes to get ready to go to the gym, regardless of what I'm going to do. that it takes to get ready, you know, to go to the gym, um, regardless of what I'm going to do. I think that's a real important thing in general is that all of what we've been talking about today, and especially when it comes to obesity, it's a multi-layered thing. There's just so many, so many layers to peel back and to try to figure out. It's not just, it's not just the food. We know, we already know that the food is definitely a problem, but there's emotional attachment to it. There's bad habits

there's people just don't they don't know where to start they don't know what to eat they don't know what to do there there's a lot of um there's a lot more attached to it than it just being a a problem of uh consuming too much food um it's the wrong foods the wrong times and uh people yo-yo dieting i mean there's so many different ways that people can get fat there's some some people uh just get fat because they get drunk on the weekend because they fucking eat too much you know on on the uh they just do it every weekend but during the week they eat good and they train you said the other day that you you trained almost every day and you were like 30 body fat i trained almost every day and I tried to eat low carb and I like, so for the most part, my, for the past 20 years, I did eat low carb.

I did eat some sort of keto, but it was like a, I would cheat a lot. You know, I w I wasn't strict. And I, you and mad dog would do that. You guys had that kind of cycle of like Monday morning morning would come around and you would you would hit the cardio up hard and eat less and it's alcoholic behavior though with food yeah and that's and that's what that is that's alcoholic and drug addict behavior so it makes sense that mad dog and i both had a drug and alcohol problem it's like you know you'll hide stuff you'll you'll you won't tell people like that you ate this or that because you're supposed to be healthy. DJ Webb. Yeah. And you start hiding shit.

Pizza. Yeah. One of our guys, DJ. I know DJ. Oh, yeah. So he ordered a pizza, but he had the delivery driver turn his lights off and meet him outside so his wife wouldn't find out that he was eating pizza because they were both dieting together. I did that in the beginning of our keto diet where I told Lauren, I said, you know what?

I got to get up real early tomorrow. And so I'm going to go put gas in the car now and whatever. And I left and I went to the store and I bought, uh, two, it was when I first started keto, I bought two packages of Starburst and I just killed them in the car. And you know, Starburst, you got to unwrap them all each, each one. And they were like the sweet and sour ones. And they were, they were, it was like the most amazing thing ever. As I sat in my car eating these sweet and sour starbursts and I'm being so fat. But then, uh, as soon as I went back inside, I had to tell Lauren, I'm like, you know what? Yeah. And I'm like, this is so fat. And then she got mad at me. Yeah. And then I said, but you know what? I felt so bad doing it

that I'll never do it again. And that was like the first week that I did that. I started keto about two years ago. And so I never did do that again. You know, I'm, I'm sure I had candy since then, but not in that kind of way. Like that kind of way is bad. Like when you're doing something, uh, secretively and you're hiding it from your significant other, cause you don't want them to find out you're cheating on the diet. Yeah. You're saying that you, you will want to get down to like somewhere like 10% body fat. Um, I'd like to, you know, I think people throw that number around way too much though. I think what most people are talking about, it's actually around 15%. Right.

Right. So maybe I, maybe I only need to lose like a couple percent. 10% on a DEXA scan would be, or 15% would be probably closer to what you're talking about on a DEXA scan. Yeah. Yeah. And if that comes with, like, let's say it's, you got to lose 10% body fat. If that comes with losing 10% in strength, are you okay with that?

Oh yeah. I don't care about, I don't really care about strength at all anymore. I like strength. It seems to be fun, you know? But I don't care about it anymore. Like I used to, I'm not really trying to win any competition. So like for today, like we just, we just lifted trying to win any competition. For today, we just lifted. And yesterday.

We just lifted. The weight always matters. You always want to have weight on the bar. But also, we were just lifting. And we were just having fun with it too. You're going to be a little competitive. And you want to try to stick it not to everybody else necessarily, but to yourself, because you want to have a good workout. You want to, you want to train hard and feel good that you, you put in a good, uh, strong effort.

But like when we squatted today, there wasn't really like this real specific, uh, plan laid out. It was like, let's just put plates on there. And then when it feels heavy, let's just do it a few times for reps. And then let's do that for for a couple sets and then we'll move on to the next thing yeah and the goal today was just um you know i haven't lifted with mark in a long time so the goal was just to like kind of try to keep up and not be such a pansy you know like not say i can't do this i can't do this because that's what i was doing a lot and i wasn't getting results that way and when i started getting results is when I started listening to Mark and saying, okay, maybe you can do it. Maybe you should take that encouragement and use it in a positive way. And you can do these things.

Stop saying that you can't. Just do it less weight. Do it lighter. Do less reps. Make it easier. Move your stance in. Move your shoulder in. Let's just put it this way.

Every single person that comes to this gym can do any and everything that I can do. Just fine. They can do every movement that I can do. They can use, like, you know, and then some. And there's people more athletic and stronger. But even at my strongest, everyone can perform a sumo deadlift. Everybody has the ability to perform a conventional deadlift, a bicep curl, a rack pull. Uh, we all, we all have these, uh, abilities to continue to work on being better.

And when you throw that obstacle up of, I don't know, man, like this hurts, uh, my elbow or this hurts my shoulder. There's always an alternative. You know, there's always, you don't want to like this hurts uh my elbow or this hurts my shoulder there's always an alternative you know there's always you don't want to just push through stuff just because you want to push through it um but sometimes you kind of have to and you just gotta you know the the i can'ts they need to turn into you can kind of change you can change your tone a little bit and say i'm having trouble doing that for now i I'm going to choose to do something else. And you have to take ownership of it. And you have to,

um, not let the workout own you. They say the same thing about business. You have to own, like sometimes I own a slingshot and sometimes slingshot owns my ass. You know, it's just the way it is. Yeah.

I've got to take responsibility for these things. They don't hurt you. They don't damage you. Yeah. That was funny. funny. You guys were doing incline presses, and you had like 185 on there. Crude. Chris was like, I can't do that.

He's like, I can't do that. And then Mark he said, that's not what I asked you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get killed doing that. Yeah, that was tough. I can't lift that'll get killed doing that. Yeah. Yeah. That was, that's how you realize like, yeah, he's like,

I can't, I can't lift that weight. He said, yeah, well, cause it was too much. Yeah. It was like too much weight,

but then I just asked him about the exercise. Yeah. Yeah. It was funny. Cause you got, you got so irritated. Cause you're like, that's not what I asked you.

He said, are you lifting? And I said, I can't lift that. I can't do that. And he's like, I don't know what to ask you. And then I was like,

okay, just shut up and lift. Just put on lighter weight. And can't do that much and he's like I don't know what to ask you and I was like okay just shut up and lift just put on lighter weight and you did everything that he did yeah we did everything and even when we got to a point where I couldn't do chest flies because I have a torn rotator cuff so we go to do chest flies and he's like well look just put the dumbbells together and press

them you know press them together Charles Glass showed us this remember this movement that doesn't hurt your shoulder and it's not the same movement it's not giving you the same exact um you know movement but it's close enough and it's fine it doesn't hurt so it's more optimal yeah you guys were beating each other up yesterday oh man it was brutal yeah people just need to you know not really to change their mind but they need to work on changing their mindset. We talked about changing their environment. The environment can be physical. It can be emotional.

But it also is just the language that you have in your own head. The arrangement of your day. Remember we talked earlier about getting stuck. Try to get stuck. Don't get stuck in too many things don't get stuck in too many things that are pulling you away from the things that you want to do because they're taking away that when you're, when you're distracted, it's taking away from other things that you're supposed to be doing. And that's going to, um, not make you feel good because it's not going to give you the, uh,

the results that you want. And, uh, something I have here in my notes for today, which I think is pretty cool. Um, you know, it's your mental environment, it's your emotional environment. You want to trade like going to a bar on a Friday night for a squat bar or a deadlift bar, you know, trade, trade a bad habit for a good one, you know, trade audio book, you know, listen to an audio book instead of going on facebook there's there's a lot of things that you can do uh you can engage in in meditation you can use that time real wisely or you can sit in a sauna or go in a hot tub and you can figure out how am i going to fucking recover from the different things that i did for today so that i can be really productive the next day because it's day in and day out. Even as,

even in terms of just the lift, the lifting we did yesterday, Smokey's like, Oh, are we doing arms too? I'm like, Nope. It's like,

when are we doing arms? I'm like tomorrow or the next day. It doesn't matter. We're not doing it now. Yeah. I have something to share with everybody. Cause I just, I do this all the time.

I think it's important. I think that, um, it's really important to just take some time. I do this every night as I go through my phone and I, I look for some podcasts, audio books, and I queue up things. Um, could, could be Netflix. It could be YouTube.

It could be anything, but like queue up some things to listen to or to watch the, like the next day, like that, that you want to learn about and like put them in your queues and put them, you know, put them to listen to, because I, that's, that's how I, I basically have listened to every keto audio book, every keto podcast, every, you know, because I wanted to learn a lot about the subject matter. And it's the easiest and best way to learn just while you're doing other stuff. So while I'm doing all these walks and doing all this walking and cardio and stuff, like I don't do a lot of cardio. I just walk and I just walk at a normal rate.

I don't go ever any faster. I walk about an hour a day and I always have something to listen to that's always educating me, you know, and I feel like I can always find time to walk around my neighborhood and listen to something that's important. Yeah, I do that when I get in a car. Yeah. It might be something. It could be the car too. It depends on if you have to drive. Yeah. I do that when I get in a car. Yeah. It might be something. It could be the car too. It depends on if you have to drive.

Yeah. It might be, it might be something that, uh, I only listened to for a few minutes. Um, it might be something I listened to 20 times. Um, but just cause you listen to it a bunch doesn't mean that there's not, there's still a lot of great information in there. You might, might've missed something or it might, uh, re-spark something that you were thinking about at some other time. So I do a lot of that as well. And I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, but I listen to, I just search for all kinds of different shit on YouTube.

A lot of times what I find is like, for example, Gary Taubes. He's a great example. He's got a podcast with Rogan. It's like three hours and it's awesome. a podcast with Rogan, it's like three hours and it's awesome. But then when you really want to dive into the works of Gary Taubes, who's one of the best guys in this sort of space of nutrition, um, then you listen to his audio books, which are really, you know, they take 10 hours to listen to, you know, or 12 hours to listen to. And that's, that's the way I get excited or I get fired up on somebody by like, maybe listen, I hear him on Rogan or I hear them on some other podcasts and then I'll go buy their book and then, you know, listen to that. And that's how I get my

education really. And I sort of reeducated myself about, uh, about food in the past, you know, two years. I knew nothing about it really. When we started, I thought I did. No, it's, I still don't really know a whole lot, you know? Yeah. Well, it's every evolving and there, there's not really a lot of facts, right? You don't really know a whole lot. Well, it's evolving and there's not really a lot of facts. You can't really just say, hey man, you need to eat red meat. You can't really just say it. You can probably say if you were just to eat red meat, that most people would probably lose weight. But there's no guarantee that that person doesn't have some sort of weird pre-existing

condition that doesn't mesh with red meat right but in general it it would help but yeah it's hard to like just whip out like a fact yeah part of this is just interesting trying to figure it out like i think that that's where a lot of us have fun with it it's like we're everybody's kind of trying to still figure it out right it's trying to find that is there a magical thing and it's like i would find out there probably will never be a magical thing or a magical diet that works for everybody the key is you know what what do you eat and where do you where do you start and you start with just cut it just trying to cut out junk and you know you know the junk food that you're eating um every society has the same problem with the job a lot of people

say you know um like gary tobs and some other people they're like you know uh we're some people will say we're fat because the food pyramid that's not necessarily gary tobs we're not fat because the fucking food pyramid we're fat because we make really poor decisions and we eat way too much really calorically dense foods i mentioned earlier that I'm not a fan of calories. It doesn't mean that they don't exist. They are still, they, they are still an issue.

People are over consuming carbohydrates because the fuckers taste so good. And that's it. That's a huge problem. But Gary Tobbs and some of these other people, they're going to be like, the real problem was when we went low fat, that ain't the problem. Who the fuck went low fat?

Nobody. The entire country did in like 1980. Well, they didn't. They didn't go low fat because the entire country ate like shit then. And they still eat like shit. They didn't follow the plan. They didn't follow. If people are, you know, people were discovering that they thought fat was negative for heart health, right?

And so they thought that that was the problem. That wasn't necessarily the problem, right? But they got rid of fat. People that eat a healthy diet that has carbohydrates, has minimal amounts of fat, and has a good amount of protein, a lot of those people are going to be very, very healthy. Even when they eat carbohydrate, even when they eat kind of a lot of carbohydrates, especially if they're moving. The problem is people stop moving and people ate like shit and the carbohydrate stuff.

There's not even a good source of carbohydrates. You know that you can't eat a fucking snack wells, uh, whatever reduce fat. And everyone's like, oh, well, they took this stuff and they reduced the fat, but then they put more sugar in it. Yeah, so you're telling me that like regular Oreo cookies, they have more fat in them than snack wells. So is that the problem? Is that, oh, we replaced the snack wells? That's not the problem. The problem is that people bought snack wells on one day and Oreo cookies the next. That's the problem.

People. Well, the other problem too is that. People still just eat. They have really poor fucking habits. Well, the interesting thing is that when you take something like a snack well that shoots your insulin levels up through the roof and has no fat to like sort of slow it down, it's going to shoot your insulin levels up through the roof. it down, it's going to shoot your insulin levels up through the roof. So when you eat your dinner, your turkey and your mashed potatoes and this and that, a lot of that stuff is going to end up getting stored as fat because you ate some snack walls with it that shot your insulin levels up and stored it as fat.

Whereas like if you skip the snack walls, you're not going to have as much of that problem. There shouldn't be, there shouldn't be any snacks. There shouldn't be any desserts. That's the problem. Yeah. You know, you're, uh, the 80, 20 rule of like, you know, trying to problem yeah you know you're uh the 80 20 rule of like you know trying to eat you know fruits and vegetables and meat is has been uh around for you know it's been not the

80 20 rule but like eating uh fruits vegetables and meat has been around forever been around for like people know people know they know they know um, the government may have, uh, swayed things certain ways and they may have flooded our grocery stores, uh, with a lot of junk. I think most of the, I think 80% of the stuff in a grocery store has refined sugar in it. 80%. That's a lot. And we we've known for, but it does, that doesn't mean there's not healthy choices there. We've known for 20 plus years, You and I have actually known for over 20 years. We've known this fact that if you go to a store and you walk around the perimeter of a store.

Shop around the outside. You don't shop in any of the center aisles. There's almost no way. And they picked up on that because they try to put some junk. Oh yeah. And now Whole Foods, they have one whole aisle where their hot food is. That's the garbage section of the entire store is the hot. The hot food at Whole Foods is one of the most unhealthy sections in any store.

People think when they go to like Trader Joe's or they go- No, it's all fake healthy. It's fake healthy, the whole thing. A lot of- What about corn? Well, what about it? Corn today, corn tomorrow. Yeah, isn't it?

It's a terrible plant. It's like in everything. Well, yeah. It's everywhere, right? I love corn. First of all, I think it tastes great. Well, I don't think, I don't Well, I don't think corn is our problem. I think what we do with the corn can be a problem

because people are making high fructose corn syrup and doing all these crazy things. It turns into corn syrup and corn oil and all these things. I think if you ate corn, like... Corn on the cob? Let's say you ate it five times a year. That's not going to bother you.

I don't think there's any fucking harm in that. But do are you you know do you love corn so much you're gonna eat it but a big problem is corn used to be like this big it used to be like an inch right like a year of corn used to be like an inch long now it's at least a foot so that's a huge problem right like that's corn didn't used to be you know there's like those little tiny corn things that used to seem like chinese food yeah that's what corn used to actually look like. Right. And so that's with everything though. Right.

Yeah. Oh, it's with almost everything. Yeah. I mean, strawberries are like almost the size of a small apple now. And then an apple is the size of a grapefruit. Like it's crazy how they've, how things have grown. And the other day I went to Whole Foods and I bought like fruit and I, I cut it open. There's no juice in it.

And that's because we don't, we're not regenerating the soil like we used to. We don't have soil with the proper nutrients in it. Our fruit is losing the nutrients and all the fruits have less vitamins and they're less nutritious than they used to be. And yeah, a lot of that stuff is, is crazy. When I was watching that sugar movie documentary,

which I thought was executed really well. I thought they did some really cool stuff that was unique and different. Um, but when I was watching that movie, you know, there was a section in there where the Aborigine people, they went through these ups and downs with, uh, their health and, uh, in short, you know, they, they blamed it on this, like on the local grocery stores and they were like, oh, they've grocery stores brought in soda. on this, like on the local grocery stores. And they were like, oh, they, grocery stores brought in soda. Then, then the, uh, the community decided, Hey, we're going to safeguard ourselves. We're going to like defat ourselves, fat safe ourselves. Right. And we're going to get rid of, uh, they got rid of alcohol and they got rid of like sodas and things like that. And so they made,

they made some really good decisions. But what I thought was interesting is when the woman was talking about, um, anyway, they're, they're back to being screwed again because they lost the funding for some of that. And, and now a lot, a lot of the sugars come back in. Um, the woman was like, you know, the stores, you know, she was like the stores, you know, they have all this food. It's not, it's not the, it's not the store's fault. You're fat. The store's only going to sell what, what, what sells. all that you're fat the store's only going to sell what what what sells and and right like so if we have um you know if we have uh milk and we got uh all these things that are just they they're not like milk tastes good but it doesn't it doesn't have the pop that uh coca-cola does right people are going to tend to buy the coca-cola more and i think a problem and a bell that you

can't unring is just the fact that there is a fucking store. I think that that can be problematic in and of itself because the store is a commercial space that is trying to make money. And so they're going to have Doritos. They're going to have all these things because if they don't have it, they know that you're just going to drive to another store, uh, to go and get it. And so a lot, I mean, a lot of this stuff, fruits, vegetables, whatever meat you had, you had to like forage for or hunt for it. You had to figure out a different way to get it. And now we have access to all these things 24 seven, but we can't blame the food pyramid.

We can't blame anything the government has done because the government, where else is the government really impacting me or hurting me? Or you? Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, some people will be up in arms about certain things, about um where else is the government really impacting me or hurting me or you yeah well i mean i mean some people will be up in arms about certain things about certain gun laws or what you know you know it's the same thing that's happening in our school why does the government give us recommendations they give it to us to try to help us right they haven't been great yeah they haven't been great but they also haven't been like, I'll give you a good example. Jimmy Moore.

He's a huge, you know, uh, conspiracy theorist. Well, he's a voice in the, in the, in the keto world. He says, you know, he gets on his podcast. He's like, I ate everything that they told me to eat and I weighed 420 pounds and I ate just according to the food pyramid. Then he talks about drinking like gallons of soda. Like he taught when he talks about what he used to eat, it's the most disgusting,

horrifying thing you've ever heard from a human being that they used to eat. And he makes a claim in the beginning of his book that he went to speak in front of Congress about how he was screwed by the food pyramid. And that's why he was overweight. And I think that's just so disingenuous and such bullshit because it's just not true. It's like, no, no, you were 420 pounds because you ate like 5,000 calories a day.

There's nowhere on the food pyramid that doesn't have a 5,000 calorie a day thing to eat. Now, some people like Greg's a good example. He was overweight. He was eating bad foods, but he wasn't really eating a lot. So he got up to like 300 pounds, which is a lot of weight to get, like he gained a lot of weight. And most of the things he was eating were normal. Like he, he ate like a normal breakfast, lunch and dinner every day, but he ate Doritos

and he ate soda, you know, had soda a lot and stuff like that. And that's what, that's what really blew him up. And I think that, I think some, I think some of this too, is like, people are just full of shit. I think, I think they know, like they know, they know that they know that they're fat and they know that they need to do something about it. And I, I do not personally believe that people don't know. Scapegoats are easy.

It's easy to say, you know what? I'm going to blame it on this. It's easy to give up. It's easier to give up. It's easy. It's easier to be sad. It's easier to be. Well, that's why people say when I get this, it's going to be different.

They know that they're probably never going to get that either. They're never going to get that new car. They're never going to get that raise. they're never going to get that raise they're never because almost everybody that has been excessively fat has lost weight before so they they they know they kind of know in general like you know some things to do they know to eat less and to move around more right which is what we hear all the time but gary tobs talks about how dangerous that is because that can be really difficult because somebody who's obese or somebody who's overweight, it's really just too fucking hard for them to execute on. Once you actually move more, you eat more. That's just a

fact. And that's a fact that we can't get around. And exercise isn't that real. It's not that important for weight loss. It's very important for keeping weight off. So it's very important for people to maintain their physique. But I think what's really important is building muscle. Like we talk about that all the time and that's something that's not brought up in like any of these nutrition books or any of these keto books, not one of them talks about building muscle. Do you think that other than like some weird tricks that you and I know, that you and I know, do you think that if you held up, you know, a chicken breast versus a burrito, that people would think the burrito is more healthy? Like, do you think people are that clueless?

No. If you had a picture of, a picture of ice cream versus. An apple. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. People like people know, people know.

Which one of these is bad? Yeah. Fruits these is bad? Yeah. Fruits, vegetables, and meats. Well, that's something that we talked about maybe even doing in the movie. We go show those things to like, let's even break it down further. Let's show it to a hundred kids. And then every once in a while, a dick pic slips in. Yeah.

Oh, sorry, kids. Yeah. I don't know how that got tossed in there. That must've been my brother's. Yeah. Sorry about having my i think if you showed kids a dick pic and asked them which was what's bad for you yeah that's that you don't think it would go over well i think we might get in trouble yeah the fucking fda they

got all kinds of rules we could fake it yeah it'd be funny but i you know i think that um you know even just thinking of like quinn when i did a video a long time ago and i said you know i'm talking about nutrition and she's popping in there and she's like answering questions on an old uh power project video and i was like i'm trying to teach people about being healthy and i was like well you know because she she just wouldn't stop she wanted the attention i was like, well, you know, cause she, she was, wouldn't stop. She wanted the attention. I was like, well, what do you think people should do? She's like, I think people should run really fast. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. Like what else? She's like, I don't know. Uh, you know, don't eat a lot of sugar. Like don't eat a lot of junk. Like she says all this stuff. She's like four years old in, in the video. Um, and then she mentioned something about eating like, I forget, like fruit or something.

She mentioned something. But remember the other night when we ate, you know, the plate of food that she had. She had like four ounces or five ounces of chicken breast. With some fruit, right? With some fruit and vegetables. That was her dinner. Yeah. And she does it a lot.

She's just, she's aware. And she, there was no, like, she does it a lot. She's just, she's aware. And I, you know, as we start to wrap some of this up, I think the ultimate goal would be for people to not really have to be on a diet. I think you and I got, you know, you and I gained weight. Um, somebody like Greg fell into a massive, uh, pitfall. There's, there's all these, uh, traps out there of, of convenient foods that taste really fucking good. But if we can figure out ways of, uh, educating people, we just talked about how we feel like

people do kind of know, but they don't want to know. They just want to keep living their life and, and have it be simple and enjoy the food. Cause they hate their fucking job and their wife and everything else. hate their fucking job and their wife and everything else. But if we can educate you at a young age to the point where you can make good, healthy, conscious decisions for yourself and be mindful of the things that you're eating, maybe you don't need to have a lifestyle of being on some crazy, really strict, strict diet. Maybe you can just kind of be like, you know what? I'm going to eat whatever I want. I just can't eat it whenever I want. The majority of my food has to be healthy because I

want to feel good and healthy could mean something a little bit different for each person. Yeah. And also like when people need to realize, uh, we all start at a different place too. So for people like Greg, he's starting kind of, you know, at 50 years old or 49 years old or 48, whatever. He's at a disadvantage a little bit to a lot of other people who started way younger, right? So the younger you start, the better, the better shape you're in when you start, the better. You don't have as far to go, obviously. So we have to take those things into consideration. And if you're not healthy when you start, it's going to take a little while to get you healthy, at least six months to get you going towards really good health

to get you in great health. It might take a year or more, you know, it might take a lot longer than that. If you're really, you know, like a Tyler Cartwright took him 11 years or whatever to go from 500 pounds to 230 pounds. And I think there's a lot of people that are like, Greg, there's a lot of people that are like Tyler that have become, become you know you don't always want to make everything uh like scientific but they abused food for a long time and through whatever mechanism whether you want to say it was through sugar or through excess food or whatever they became insulin resistant yeah that's what people need to know it's exponential there's a lot of people that can, there's, there's millions and millions of people right now. If they started a ketogenic style diet and they were able to work towards being able to follow it, which might take you three months, by the way, it might take you a little bit of time to start to figure it out.

If you can, if you can do that, you can be in a lot better position than you are right now. In six months from now, you could weigh 20 pounds less, 40 pounds less, 60 pounds less. We've seen that over and over again. Well, but the people that are insulin resistant, it's really hard to just say,

why don't you try Weight Watchers? Cause like Weight Watchers has too many options. Yeah. Not that Weight Watchers is bad. Weight Watchers is probably the most successful diet plan that's ever existed because it's helped so many fucking people lose weight. Yeah. Not that Weight Watchers is bad. Weight Watchers is probably the most successful diet plan that's ever existed because it's helped so many fucking people lose weight. Yeah. But it has too many options in there. And so many of those people, as soon as they discontinue going to the meetings and some of the help and reinforcement, they gain points now. And they have no idea what that means or what that is. Eggs are like a thousand points on like a real diet. Like eggs are awesome, right?

Like you should be encouraging people to have eggs. Not like eggs are a throwaway food. Eat as many of them as you want. It's a weird diet. And I think that it doesn't teach you about food and it doesn't teach you a good relationship with food at all. It teaches you to associate food with points, with numbers. I think that's really a weird thing. I think that's why it's failed a lot of people. Well, again, you know.

It's failed more people than it's helped, else it wouldn't still be around. It'd be the answer. Yeah, it would be. Well, people are failing the diet, though, too, because it's not, I mean, they do have a point system, but that's just to get you away from trying to keep track of 2,400 calories and 2,753. It's another way to count.

You're just trying to keep the numbers low so that you don't have these crazy numbers to deal with. You don't have to calculate as much, right? But if it fits your macros and some of those other diets, flexible dieting, they're actually not too much different than a, I think the thing about Weight Watchers, that's a good thing is the fact that they have meetings. I think that, um, you know, like if we had keto meetings here at the gym and we'd probably have a bunch of people show up and it'd be actually good to sit there and talk about nutrition with a bunch of people. Like that's, that's an interesting part of Weight Watchers.

I think the support group from being somebody that's gone to rehab, I know that the, that really helps a lot. A lot of people. People definitely do need help. They need a support group. Um, but as I was mentioning, you know, the, the insulin resistance thing, when, when somebody abuses food for a long time, they become really heavy. Uh, in my opinion, a ketogenic diet is probably the place to start because it can train you and it can give you discipline and you can learn a lot as you go through it. And you should be reading books like the war on carbs, like, uh, Rob Wolf's, uh, get wired and you should be looking at wired to eat and you should be looking at, uh, Mark Sisson's book. Uh, what's that called? 21 keto, 21 day keto reset. There you go. Primal blueprint. Yeah. You should be, you should be looking into some of these things because they can really make a

big difference. But if you have car, if you're someone who's heavy and you struggle with it your whole life, you're going to have a really hard time trying any diet that has any significant amount of carbohydrates in it. So you're never going to be able to get that first step, which is the most important thing. You have to get momentum and even be on a ketogenic diet.

It takes you about two weeks to even produce ketones. Like there's no other diet that exists. It's like it. Yeah. And it's not. And that's the other thing is like the one, the one reason, the thing that held me back for so long from doing it all the time was like, I just never knew that you could do it all the time.

I thought it was unhealthy. I thought there was something wrong with it. Once I found out like, wait, you can live in ketosis like for the rest of your life and you'd actually be really well off. There's a lot of great benefits to it. I had no idea. And so when I figured that stuff out, that's when I decided to like stay on it more long term.

There's a lot of good other options out there too. You can look into like Rob Wolf's Paleo Solution. There's another diet called Whole30. There's diets that have other options. It's just that from what we've seen, most people that are heavy, they'd have a really hard time with the carbohydrates. And if you allow them to have any, as we've seen when America tried to have a low fat craze, it just forced people to go off the deep end even more and made people fatter. It

wasn't necessarily the low fat foods, but the low fat foods kind of sparked some of that because you were taking away something that people love. Yeah. Stuff like that whole 30 diet. A lot of these diets have really good rules, like whole 30 is like, Hey, uh, if you really want to lose weight, stay away from sugar alcohols and stay. And I would say the same exact thing. If you really want to drop your weight as much as you can stay away from almost everything, you know, except for protein and fat. What's like a desired amount of days that somebody would have to be, let's just say like 80% strict. Like how many days do you think someone has to be 80% strict?

That's heavy. To get into ketosis? No, just to lose some weight. Just to lose three pounds or two pounds or five pounds. Oh, like a couple of days because when you start losing weight right away right a lot of that will be water weight in the beginning when you first started this diet like you seem more determined now but when you first started this diet you you had like and i i'm the same uh but you had like spurts right where there would be four days of doing really good a day or half day off right there'd be 20 days of doing really good

you know a break because you have like quest bars and popcorn or like whatever the fuck it is you do you go off it a little bit right it was always that and in trying this diet my hardest thing has been like what we've been making what my point is is that still works yeah like that's important for people to understand if you can make it it 10 days, 12 days, 20 days, the more, the longer that you make it kind of the better, but you have to just, it can't be, it can't be one day. It can't be two days. It's gotta be like five, seven, but hopefully you can have those days end up being longer over a period of time.

Because back to what we talked about earlier,'re building willpower you're building strength you're building determination and becoming more and more dedicated to the diet all the time and instead of you know rummaging through your cabinet in the middle of the night if you're dying for something you just fucking fry up an omelet i'm also realizing like what you said is like you have these spurts and you go back and forth and then like sometimes you revert back to things. Like so I've told people. Oh, yeah, you'll spin out of control. I've told people both sides.

I said, you know what? You should drink Bulletproof coffee all day long and maybe one meal. I've told people that like that because that's worked for me. But then I'm like, you know what? There's no nutrients in Bulletproof coffee. Don't drink Bulletproof coffee anymore. And I didn't drink it for a long time. And then I went back to like, you know what?

I actually like bulletproof coffee. So how about let's be smart about it. Let's drink a bulletproof coffee whenever I feel like having one, but not, not all the time and not, not none of the time. Just whenever I feel like, like, let's be reasonable about it. And that's what happens to me. I like on a lot of things like with sugar alcohols, like, you know, I don't have any then that you can have a little bit. And then now's like okay let's be reasonable about it let's just

have things every once in a while that are going to be a little bit off the diet but like you said um being you know 80 percent uh strict is not that hard yeah and it's really not that hard to be 80 percent strict so is 80 80% the reasonable number? Meaning not every, every 10 days, not for a keto diet, because for a keto diet, you,

I think you want to stay in ketosis. I think it's a mistake to do. A lot of people will, will probably bash me for this, but I, I think it's a mistake to do a cyclic ketogenic diet because I don't really see the purpose in it unless you're actually trying to compete in something and you're you're gonna um cycle your carbs because you're your competition but i just think that you uh you you you wouldn't be on a you just wouldn't be on

a keto diet like if you're trying like if your if performance is the main focus you would shift into a different diet rather than even well also alsoical ketogenic diet. Also, a cyclic ketogenic diet has shown some benefits to it also. But I think, like, if the goal, like, for the most part, most people are on a ketogenic diet, like a ketogenic as defined by, like, medical. Like, they're on that kind of thing for weight loss a lot of times. And so, you know, if you're not losing if you're not losing you gotta you gotta shift it you know yeah i'm just thinking because if you're saying 80 20 somebody might be listening saying okay i'm gonna go eight days clean and then the next weekend well like lose my shit i mean if you

want to choose that what i'm talking about is like so 80 20 on a carnivore diet would be like 80% of my meals, right. Would be, uh, just all meat. And then my 20% meals would have some things in there that would be questionable. Uh, like they'd be vegetables and they'd be whatever. I wouldn't go 80, 20, like 80% meat, 20% Oreos or pop tarts. Yeah. I wouldn wouldn't I don't think that would work for for anybody no and that's certainly not what I'm talking about what I'm talking about is like you get an omelet you told the motherfucker you didn't want potatoes and they gave you potatoes anyway and you ate them and and yeah you ate them or you ate a couple of them that's that's more of what I'm talking about or uh the wife cooked up something in particular and you're like fuck it

you know I really like that. I'm going to have, you know, half of this enchilada or whatever it is. And then you're going to, that wasn't a racist comment. You looked right at me. It wasn't meant to be that way. You were not looking at anybody else in this room. Okay. It was a racist comment. Okay.

You broke me. You broke me down. But that's, that's kind of more of like what I meant. Or maybe even you, I don't know, you have, you just have something that you're kind of craving, but you don't have a lot of it. It might be more like 90-10. But, you know, they say like if you do it like 80% of the time, you'll get, you know. But I think like, because if you're trying to go for, ketosis is a very specific thing. So if you're trying to get into ketosis, you're just not going to get into ketosis by eating like 20 if you were like because if you look at 80 20 i'm following the diet 80 20

that doesn't necessarily mean 20 carbs because we also have a macro yeah it just means that like maybe you had some fucking jerky that's got seven grams of carbs in it or it's got some soy in it and it shouldn't have yeah you're just eating a couple things that were like uh that are like borderline yeah you have some diet cokes and you've decided that you you're gonna cut them out from now on whatever you're 80 20 yeah but you can you can lose a crazy amount of weight um on a real ketogenic diet um it's hard though and it, you know, to get all the oil in and all the fats. I mean, you have to, you know, I used to think like, oh my God, it's like unnecessary to go out of your way to eat all these fats. Uh, but now, you know, after, after doing it

for even just a few days, uh, I lost weight really rapidly when I came back from, uh, I came back from France, I noticed a huge difference by, you know, doing what, uh, Thomas is it Delore? Delore, yeah. Yeah. By doing some of the recommendations that he had, um, of doing a really hardcore keto diet. And then once you get your ketones ranked up to, uh, about 1.0 or so, uh, when I think that was another thing I didn't really think mattered was checking your ketones.

But in this particular state and, and getting, uh, uh, trying to have, trying to be like really, really full blast keto, it really did matter. And it really did make a difference in my book. I don't share anything like that. It's more, um, like, Hey, just ditch your fucking carbs, keep the fat high. And that can work really well for people too. But if you want to try to dive all the way into keto, you got to try for several days to just eat around 80 or 90% fat. What I like about your book is there's also so much confusion with keto that it's really hard to start for most people and they don't know how to.

So if you can read a 66 page book and get it all, all in rather than taking, you know, 10 hours to read a bigger book, you know, at least you can just get started, right? You can get started tomorrow with that. And most people aren't crazy enough to like, just eat some butter in the morning and some fucking coconut oil. Yeah. But the easiest way to start a keto diet, steak and eggs, just keep, just eat steak and eggs every meal until you're sick of it

and want to do some reading. If you eat steak and eggs every single meal, like a couple ounces of steak and maybe two eggs and you eat that every meal for the next month, you would be full

after every meal. And you can even add in like avocado to that. You'd be pretty satisfied too. Pretty satisfied. And you just get so lean. Vince Gironda. I might even do it.

I might even do it just to prove a point next month. Like I might just be like, you know what? Steak and eggs for 30 days. Let's go and see who's with me. You know, because I think it would be. Ron Pennis, they did it for 16 weeks. Yeah. Crazy bastard.

Yep. All right. We're going to bounce on out of here. Anything else, Andrew? No, that's it. Greg Young was watching on Facebook for a while there. So shout out to him. Perfect.

I hope he hates us now. Actually, he's still watching. There he is. What up, Greg? We're coming home soon. Coming back. Greg, don't worry. We did not tell that story about your impotence on the show because we didn't want anybody to know.

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