Mark Bell's Power Project - Remembering Doug Brignole || MBPP Ep. 823

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

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Are we on? We are rolling. Hello? Mm-hmm. Those slow-release Kratom tablets are interesting. I just took two i took i took two or three yesterday to see how it feels and it i don't know it's subtle very subtle i don't know if i'm tripping or not but yeah i think so i mean i think you know like the capsules that we have

for mind bullet they're pretty strong i want to say there's from what i, there's 750 milligrams, I think, per capsule. And obviously the potion, the potion is an extract. So it's really, really strong. I want to say the potion is like the equivalent of like 12 capsules or something like that. So the potion is a lot. Oh, you missed it. That was a bad miss. So it kind of just depends on the impact that you want to have. But I've been taking the slow release before runs,

and I like it because it's hitting me like midway through the run. I'm starting to get that runner's high along with the kratom kicking in. It's a really good sensation, good feel. Getting double high. I'm going to do that on the next run. But for you, I think you'd need like four to six of them. Otherwise, yeah probably might not make a dent interesting okay large you're large human am i uh i'm like 180 pounds are you

off cycle i saw that on your on your i love it like the first comment you know what i mean like it's always like are you off cycle yeah yeah no no no yeah i'm still on cycle guys i'm joking i'm not on cycle but it's never been on cycle like i wonder if i don't know like asking the question that way though is like i'm gonna get him like i'm gonna wait and see if he slips like hey are you off cycle like waiting for you to make a mistake and be like yeah oh i mean no what huh well i mean to some people i'm just lying every single day that I come onto this podcast. So there's nothing that can be done other than just a smile and a wave. I don't understand what people expect from us or what they think.

Because like when I meet people in person, they're always like, oh my God, you're huge. Right? They say that a lot. You hear that a lot? Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm like, I don't understand how big or small they think I would be. Yeah. But I guess I'm glad that they're surprised. I don't know. I remember we, the, the last run that you and I went on, we passed like a group of, I don't

know how old they were, but a group of dudes that were just like kind of on the trail too. And then Mark had, you know, he went ahead of me cause I think he was going to go up a hill or something. And then, so like he passes them. And then by time I get to, he went ahead of me because I think he was going to go up a hill or something. And then so like he passes them. And then by the time I get to them, they're all just like looking back like, you know, like, what the fuck was that? Because his shirt's off fucking looking incredible. But like they were like, well, they were so confused. Like that guy's running. Yeah.

You don't see people looking like you out on a trail. Right. Yeah, I know. And when you do see you either see see looking like you out on a trail. Right. No. Yeah, I know. And when you do see, you either see one of two things with people running. People just like schlepping along like a little shuffle or there's these people that look like gazelles. They look unbelievable and you're like, fuck you, bro. You see some really like, and sometimes it's someone that's like 6'3", and they're just moving amazing. Kind of like the guy that we saw that one day.

The tall guy? Yeah, and he just cruised right through the run, and he's like, yeah, I did like 25 minutes. It was like easy for him. Yeah. We're like, fuck. No, it's really cool how, I guess, how normal running's becoming. It's actually becoming super normal for you. What is this, day 46 that you run today?

Yeah, I ran this morning, and it felt really good uh yesterday felt really good too i was just like i don't know i just got like mid run yesterday was that the 11 miler with oscar was that the day before that was a couple days previous but yeah i ran 11 miles two days in a row um just because like i ran 11 miles with oscar one day and then the next day i was uh running for like maybe like 45 minutes and i was like i might as well run an hour yeah and then i got to the hour and then i ended up taking a call from a friend of mine who's long-winded so i was like this will push me this will push me another 30 minutes so guy ran for an hour and 34 minutes so yeah over a little over 11 miles two days in a row and it's everything feels great everything feels fine do

you know what your mileage this week is yeah it's probably a lot i don't know um five miles every day and then plus going 11 miles two days in a row so uh i don't know what that would be five miles every day okay so 22 25 47 probably yeah four yeah somewhere in there yeah yeah wow getting close to 50 miles i guess yeah something that you you said recently which meant a lot to me but you were like i think a lot of this stuff that we're into now a lot of the changes that we've made to our fitness all started when we had doug brignoli on the show that was really fucking cool to hear and thank you yeah i think so i think like uh this kind of rabbit hole of i mean you know part of the reason why we had doug on the show was because he was

different and because he had i mean who, who's like, you know, there's not really a lot of people out there bashing some of the other exercises, um, and, uh, and kind of honing in on like, what are we like, what are these movements for? Like, what are you trying to do with these moves? Cause if this is the result that you're looking for, he just brought up the simple idea of maybe there's other ways to go about doing it. And that's what I really loved. I didn't even really agree with him on a lot of stuff. But like, you know, thinking of something like the squat, you know, is a squat the greatest

exercise for your legs? I would say it's a really, really awesome exercise for your legs. I would also say there's probably other ways you can go about doing things. And I'd also probably just looking back at my own like lifting, I would say that, you know, if I if my main goal was like muscles, you know, just size of my legs and things like that, I could have went about things differently. But I never really had that as much of a goal for myself personally. I could have went about things differently, but I never really had that as much of a goal for myself personally. But anyway, it just brings up a really good point of like what is it that you're trying to do? And a lot of times when people are in the weight room, they're usually trying to get stronger or they're trying to look better.

And then people will say, oh, I lift weights for football or I lift weights for wrestling or, well, if you're lifting weights for those reasons, maybe some of the exercises or maybe some of the things you're doing, um, maybe they can be looked at differently because maybe there are some things you could do. There's always going to be like an optimal way. There's always going to be something out there that you're probably not doing or addressing. But like the little stuff that we've been messing with, the feet and mobility drills and like all these different things. Like if I can jujitsu longer, well, then I'll be better. I'll be better at it. If I can run every day and have zero pain and zero setbacks, then I'll be better at it. If I can lift. So it's like, what are these things that you can recover from?

And like back to Doug's point on squat, him being so brilliant, a squat's a tough thing to recover from because it just like takes over your whole body. You know, you do five sets of 10 of squats. It's going to be a rough day the next day. But if you did some of the Doug Brignoli exercises, your legs are going to be sore. You're going to have felt it because those are exercises that really do tap into the

legs. But like your lower back's not going to be taxed. You're not going to be walking around as jacked up. You're still going to be sore. We're going to walk around as jacked up. So he brought up a lot of great points. And I think he led us down some of the path that we ended up on with all these different things, all these different people that we brought in. Yeah. He gave me an opportunity to do what I love to do without pain. You know, like when, when he was, when we first had him on, I was, I was going down this really cool path where I'm like, you know, I'm just going to show up to the gym. I'm going to be in pain, but I'm going to do stuff that, that just doesn't hurt. So I'm'm like I know I'm supposed to do bent over rows but I'm not gonna do them because they hurt my back like

instead I'm gonna I don't know what I was doing at that time but I was just basically chasing the pump Mark and I were on a walk and I was telling him like dude I feel like I'm making some good progress I'm not really hurting myself like after Doug's this was before literally like I want to I could be way off but I want to say it was like within a week of us having him on the first time. But telling Mark that I'm making some cool progress, like nothing crazy, and I'm feeling good. I'm like, but eventually I'm going to have to lift some heavy weight. Because at the time it was not heavy. It was more hypertrophy, higher reps.

And he just kind of stops and he's just like, well, who says you have to? And I'm like, well, I mean, everybody, right? Like, you know, bodybuilders get huge and they have to lift heavy ass weight. And he's like, well, we haven't really like seen anybody kind of do the opposite. And then, like I said, the very next episode that we did was with Doug Brignoli and it just hit me like a ton of bricks. I was just like, oh shit shit like he was the first person that we had on where like i'm buying his book as we're still talking to him like that's never happened and so like it was just like a like an awesome uh like just wave of information that came my way and then when i heard him speak i was just like dude this is exactly what i've been looking for and you know i posted a picture of when i actually got to meet him and it it's funny just looking at my posture, looking at the shoes I'm wearing.

I was like, I was in a lot of pain, but he gave me the ability to still work out and make a lot of progress. So that was like, again, like I said, the timing of it all was really huge. You know, that beginning of that change of the way we were kind of seeing things. Yeah. As far as lifting is concerned, because, you know, we did get a lot of people that were different thinkers as far as outside of lifting. But Doug was, if not the first, he was definitely one of the first people that came on that really just kind of said, fuck the barbell. I think that's what you titled the episode. Yeah, it was like ditch the barbell.

And remember Chris Aceto, he was the opposite. Remember when he came on, he was like, I don't understand why anybody would use anything other than a barbell. He's like, fuck hammer strength machines. And like, he thought everything else was like dumb. You know, he had a different perspective. Yeah. But one aspect, one really big thing is that, you know, Doug's been a professional in fitness for decades. Right. And it takes a certain amount of courage to number one, you have all these professionals that are other coaches, that are other bodybuilders saying that this is the ideal way to do things. And it's like, everyone is like, it's a resounding yes. And it takes quite a bit of courage to literally say,

what everyone, what all of you guys are doing is wrong. Here's why it's wrong. And I want you to try this, right? And you got a bunch of other professionals that are saying, no, you're a quack, whatever. But, you know, in application, he had so many people that were reaping massive benefits from his brig 20, you know? And I mean, yeah, there are things that I disagreed with him on even, but at the same time, and he did, well, man, he came on, he looked fucking good. The first time same time awesome and he did i'll run and he man he came on he looked fucking good the first time he was on and he was on like via zoom and he threw up that bicep that was surprising that because i was like okay i'm listening to this guy or at least i should

be paying more attention to what he's got to say because he was jacked absolutely and i think that's that's that's a really huge thing you know if even if we disagreed with him on certain things, certain things, right? Because there's a lot of things that I agreed with him on and I have his book, right? He got people thinking outside of the paradigm of, for example, like you mentioned, the squat's the best way and the only way to train the legs. You see that perpetuated by tons of coaches. There's people that are in tons of pain feeling like they have to squat yes absolutely or feeling like they have to deadlift or feeling like they have to barbell row yeah yeah bent over rows and me and nsema were having this conversation um i don't know sometime last week about like you know the the optimal bros i'm

sorry to call them that but they are that are that. They are the optimal bros. No apologies. Because when Encima's showing, you know, like stretching out his, I guess, infraspronatus in the back, doing a weird movement that no fucking anybody that has any knowledge on biomechanics would ever do. Easy for you to say, bro. You got good genetics. I said it for everybody else. Yeah, yeah. but i just i said it for everybody else yeah yeah but in in in the arena of building muscle yeah biomechanics and what everyone has learned would shit all over that but we're not in that arena when ben sima is trying to stretch out his shit over here and that sounded bad i'm sorry stretch out your shoulder and get into these awesome ranges of motion that you're going to

later use for jiu-jitsu or use for staying out of pain. I like watching them stretch out. Me too. That's nice. I mean. I'm going to say, though, even outside of the context of jiu-jitsu, because I kind of say that so that people understand there's aspects of why I'm training differently, I think it does play benefit for bodybuilders.

You know what I mean? Because, like, bodybuilders, you look at them move, they're stiff as fuck. But you're not saying that, like, in that very moment, this is going to develop muscle here. What you're saying is like this. It could though. It's going to give you more access to doing the other motions a lot better. Who's the greatest bodybuilder of all time? Kenny Williams.

Kenny Williams. Yeah, Kenny Williams. Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie Coleman can move pretty fucking good yeah ronnie coleman can move really really well like especially when he was younger um and he was uh posing and stuff i mean he's doing splits i mean he's incredible like you don't think that guy like knows how to flex his rotator cuff or his uh rear delt like just flex his rear delt and not move anything else like you don't think that guy has absolutely incredible not only range of motion

but like kinesthetic awareness and understanding of how to flex the smallest of muscles like in the obliques or something like that like that guy's got he's got all that shit figured out and then some like he's a fucking genius when it comes to that kind of thing. So I think that sometimes we don't really understand the value of movement and all these different things. And Ronnie Coleman learned it probably primarily through bodybuilding. He did bodybuilding and powerlifting, and he probably learned a lot of it, but there's a lot of people that bodybuild that don't take the time to do the smaller tasks of bodybuilding, like learning how to pose. And there's some people that never even compete. So because they don't have, because they don't compete,

they might not understand that like, you know, you, you do a certain pose, you twist a certain way, how difficult that is to make it look like you have no waist and you have this fucking gigantic upper body i mean a lot of these guys have that ronnie coleman had that just by standing there because he's ronnie coleman but he also was able to make his appearance arnold was great at it remember arnold would throw up that that uh one bicep with the other arm kind of back and he just looked fucking ridiculous uh looked incredible well there's a lot of dexterity to that like go ahead and try it and go ahead and try it for a half an hour and mess around with it for a half an hour every day for half an hour for six weeks

or eight weeks or you know these guys they spend a lot of time on their routine and and a lot of guys will even go as far as to work on range of motion and stretching and these kinds of things so that they can. Otherwise, if you can't do those things, you can't show your body the way that you need to show your body, which that's horrible. You get yourself super jacked. You worked on everything, the diet. Everything's good. And then it turns out that you're super stiff and can't even show what you just worked for. One thing that there's a few things that are really cool with what you mentioned, because I was watching you lift the other day when you were doing some stuff with the cables and then you

did a lat spread in front of the mirror. And I saw it from the other side of the gym. I was just like, cause I remembered your bodybuilding show. I remembered you weren't, you didn't look that, that big duck. You were stuck. You you're now unstuck and it's not like you have bigger chunks of muscle there but you're able to show that muscle because you have more access i was at my girlfriend's show yesterday and i haven't been to a show in a while so it was cool watching these different athletes on stage but you could literally see now it's like since i know what i was looking for there are athletes that were more muscled or maybe they they they had more muscle but because they didn't have the ability to move well when

they were posing they didn't have access to those like to show those muscle tissue they didn't have access to that so they look stiff they look clunky they didn't move well and then there are other athletes who maybe they were a bit smaller literally they had less muscle but they had better movement ability and they had better ability to show the different muscle groups on stage and they did better because why they had more access so it is something to think about you need that access like in the front and the back so like if let's say that your left hip uh gets tight that's what's tight on me. That's why it's the example. Well, then it's a little harder for me to like kind of go to on my left side. It's hard for me to push off and it's hard for me to, I was listening to this runner the other day saying, push with the

tush. Like that's how you're supposed to run. You're supposed to kind of push with your butt cheek. And people try to do stuff like with their quad and stuff. And he's like, the quad is just like a shock absorber. It just kind of happens to be there. And you want to pull with the hamstring and push with your butt cheek basically. And so sometimes some of those movements at first are different for me because there's been so much tightness in the front of the hip. Well, because the front of the hip is somewhat limited, it will kind of bend you slightly forward and you'll, over time, you'll start to lose access to the left glute. So the

body, you know, the body works like as this kind of synergistic unit. And in order for me, and the reason why that's happening, I'll explain it a little further, is if you are to flex your butt cheek as hard as you can and drive your hips forward, you might kind of see what I'm talking about. Especially if you do so in like a lunge position, you'll feel a stretch directly in the front of your leg, hip flexor, those kinds of things. So when the hip flexor is real tight, well, now we don't have maximum contraction of that glute in the back. And back to Doug, you know, so much of what he was trying to explain to us was being able to control the muscles, being able to tap into the muscles with exercises that he felt were effective. And he broke it down like from a scientific perspective. And he was talking about, you know, analyzing the, like kind of the intensity that the muscle fibers were going through, uh, during specific movements. And these were things

that he worked on for a long time. These are things that he worked through. Yes, he did sell a book and yes, he did sell, uh, some ideas and concepts, but in SEMA hit the nail on the head, you know, people that are pioneers, I always say the first man through the wall gets bloody and then other people can just charge right through the wall and be like, yep, then they'll be fine. They'll be unscathed. But the first guy that goes through is going to be the guy that takes a lot of the heat. And they're going to be like, this guy's an asshole. He's only trying to sell a book. I can't believe he's talking about bodybuilding and powerlifting this way. This is the way all this stuff has been forever. And this is the way it should always be. And you're like, well, it's only been that way because that's what everybody's used to. You have somebody new coming in, pointing out maybe some of the problems. It's

actually a really good thing because now we can get into a discussion. Maybe some of the stuff that he said, maybe some of it's right. And then we can have conversation and say, you know what? He had a lot of really good points. Let's see if we can kind of blend that into some of these other things. I don't think these other things are bad. So couldn't we do some of the brig 20? Could we mix in some of those leg exercises that he pointed to? And we could, could we also maybe towards the end of the workout, hit up some, hit up

some squats a, because we like squats. It's what we're interested in. But now because we already tapped into the muscle fibers, maybe we'll get a little bit more out of our squats because we got a little bit of a pre-pump going. Yeah. And just kind of going back to the range of motion stuff, Doug was very much against partials and that sort of thing. But it wasn't just because he coached a guy and he never did partials therefore you should never do partials or you know it wasn't like from uh what is it called the n equals one experience order or data it was all based on like our anatomy like so

everything that he he brought forward he did the research and he like not dissected but he like really broke down the human body and that's where he got his information from it wasn't because he heard it from some gym bro a long time ago put it into practice and it worked he actually studied the you know the the um the biomechanics of you know the way our bodies move and stuff so you know when he you know when he came onto our show and stuff. So, you know, when, when he, you know, when he came onto our show and he was breaking down the numbers of like how much load goes to the quads when you do a full body squat and he's like, you know, if it's 200 pounds and you're a 200 pound man, you just assume like, oh, I'm putting 400 pounds of, you know, load on my quads. But he's like,

well, no, because, you know, he explains why like the, your bottom femur is only at a certain, like certain degree. So that takes off some, but then, um, because of your, your, uh, quad being shortened and like all kinds of stuff, he's like, you're really getting less. He's like, versus, you know, he talks about the sissy squat, which was kind of like a lot of people got, got fired up about because he's saying like theussy squat is way more productive for muscle gain compared to a full body squat and he's just like you know when you when you break this down it's actually 1200 pounds of load on each quad and stuff and it's like well what the hell like where'd you get these numbers but he breaks it down and he actually you know kind of they are made up numbers right because he's talking about a 200 pound person doing a 200 pound squat versus body weight squat and stuff but what i'm getting at is like it wasn't shit that he just kind of came up with out of nowhere he just looked at her body and he

looked at something that i never even considered which is like literally the physics of resistance like where's the resistance coming from like how come when i stand like four feet away from the cable machine and i do tricep extensions i can do a fuck ton of weight but when i stand really close or stand up the the ones that like make you turn around and do it backwards like why is that so much harder that one sucks i don't want to do that one that one hurts like well because the cable and the resistance is coming from an easier or harder harder direction and again like i had never heard anybody talk about stuff like that. And it's like, it's such a simple thing like, oh, physics,

shit that we all have to deal with every day. How come I've never once thought of it until he came along? And I think a lot of people kind of had that same experience where it's like, oh shit, like that, like awakening period or whatever. And then just being able to train smarter. And like I said, from my personal experience, which's like, oh shit, like that, like awakening period or whatever. And then just being able to train smarter. And like, like I said, from my personal experience, which is like, I'm supposed to do these things because that's what everyone else has done. And that's what everyone tells me to do. And then he comes along and he's just like, well, no, just do the one that's more optimal for

muscle gain. It's like, okay. And it's been working, you know, I've been doing really well. And even in SEMA, like when you had asked me, you're like, dude, what's up with your hamstrings? You know, that was, like, one of the coolest days ever. And I'm just like, oh, what are you talking about? Like, I've never seen, you know, whatever you had said about the development. Is that the day that he licked him? I think so. I think so.

Yeah. You're a dirty. You did the same thing. Well, I was just. Yeah, don't try to out me when you're out of yourself. You guys are just good friends. Yeah. That's what homies do with each other.

Don't homies look other homies hamstrings. Just one, like, you know, he's an attractive man and you really need to shave because I got a few hairs in my mouth. I don't really appreciate that. It's the whole grooming. Like I don't do like the skincare.

And so like the hair, it works for you, papi. Thank you. You're welcome. But I've been doing Doug's like training split. Like I had hit him up and we were talking, the skin care and so like the hair stuff it works for you papi thank you you're welcome but i've been doing uh doug's like training split like i had hit him up and we were talking uh we did like a zoom call or whatever and like we were just going back and forth i'm like dude like i understand

these movements i understand how to do them all and he's like well just do what i do and so like i got his like actual training split and that's when i started making even more progress that's when you recognize like dude what's up with your legs? Like something's going on here. And it's a, it's an awesome three day split. So three days on one day off and back, back on the three days.

And it's like, he knew what the fuck he was talking about is what I'm getting at. If anything, you know, the good thing is that we bring on so many different people with so many different thought processes. And one thing that I'm happy about in terms of this group of people is that we are open, right? We're not married to specific ideas in terms of training because we understand that there's a lot of ways to do this, right?

So when Doug came in, when we tried some of his stuff, it felt great. It was pretty cool. There is minimal stress to a lot of joints. And you can even see a lot of people that do some of his stuff. A lot of them are older and they're still in the gym in their 60s. He was in his 60s and a lot of them are in their 70s and they're still able to train and they're able to train without pain. So no matter what you may think, right, it is a good idea to explore some of the ideas that he had in his book. He has it all. I have his book, right? And it'll allow you to just see how certain things feel for yourself. Because, I mean, there are some people that do things based off of mechanics. And then

there are some people that have an ability to feel certain things and can say intuitively, this angle feels way better on this muscle than this one. Dre. Dre. Great example. He's just like tossing around some kettlebells. Where did you learn that from? I don't know.

Like just been watching some people and like he's been making some of his own shit up, right? He's been doing it. Yeah. So there's people that have kind of these different talents, but it's like does someone like Dre, does he have an understanding of biomechanics? I would say, yeah, he does, but it's like, does someone like Dre, does he have a understanding of biomechanics? I would say, yeah, he does, but it's in a different, it's in a different way. He might not know some of the texts. I mean, I don't have no idea whether he knows it or not, but he doesn't, um, maybe doesn't know it the same way. He doesn't know the exact like words or whatever,

but he could feel it. And then he can communicate that to somebody so they can feel it also. Right. Right. And he can, And he can show and demonstrate too. And I think all these tasks are really important. What was cool about Doug Brignoli was that he was a guy putting it forward. Like he was a guy that was actually doing it. He was actually competing in bodybuilding. He was actually really successful. He was actually like – there's a lot of bodybuilders that do well and they go into competitions and you're like that's cool like the guy did great doug brignoli would get

shredded i mean he would get completely shredded and that tells you something about somebody like that's a very specific mentality to go that deep in like you can go in and get in shape and we've seen a lot of guys do and girls do a of great things, a lot of great body transformations. But everybody that has ever done a bodybuilding show knows what it takes to get that last little bit of detail in there. And he left no stone unturned when it came to that. Look at this handsome man, man. That looked good. I don't know the exact date on this shoot shoot or whatever but it wasn't that long ago

yeah yeah like uh the one thing when he was here it was so funny like just typical bodybuilder bro he like uh we finished the day of recording and you know well there goes his pants i'm like oh yep okay and it was so good because he's like man i'm able to get shredded i'm able to develop a lot of muscle he's like but the one thing that age will get you on he's like look at this and he's showing like like kind of like loose skin on his legs he's like no matter what i do he's like that's always gonna be there now he's like that's the he's like that's the motherfucker of getting old and i'm like dude you still look fucking incredible yeah remember that video that i made with him where i'm uh hanging off the chinup bar and he's like, this exercise is stupid. I think you just reposted it, right? Yeah, I think so. I'll have to find it.

It's that kind of stuff that I think people appreciate. I think that's why it was so well received. I've been on the internet forever and I think that that's one of the most viewed posts that I've ever had was just me doing a fucking stomach exercise with him and him telling me that it was dumb. Yeah. And then he like started coming up with, oh, he's not, it's not a video, but the, it's like a sissy squat slash pendulum squat thing. And I tried it, man. It's pretty hard,

but it was a little bit difficult for me to get in and out of. So I've just been doing regular sissy squats. But going back to don't reinvent the wheel, da, da, da, da, da. I don't know, man. Like, what if it works better? Like, what if you get a wheel that fucking just smokes the other one? But because you're so stuck in your old ways, you're not even going to try it. Like, what if you passed on, like, an amazing exercise? This is where knowledge comes from. Knowledge comes you know people giving other ideas and and people implementing

uh people implementing other things and then like you know uh kind of picking off the things that you feel don't work well and moving along and then sometimes those things that you didn't think worked well they sometimes cycle their way right back into stuff i was listening to uh rick rubin on joe rogan look at his back this is a recent shoot by the way that's a recent shoot recent shoot yeah 60 it was 62 i think when he passed right yo that's just okay these ones actually are kind of old i was gonna say like yeah no sorry i remember this one from a while back. Did he just gain a little size or some shit? No, sorry, my bad.

Okay, thank you. I thought because I was trying to get him to shave his head, so I thought that's why it was recent. My bad. Yeah, I was listening to Rick Rubin on Joe Rogan, and he was just talking about how he just kind of always viewed things a little differently. He's always seen things a little differently he's always seen things a little differently and

sometimes there's people that come along that just see things differently and I think it's great to have people like Doug Brignoli to have people throw in some different stuff because like this it's not

healthy for us to have just the same old shit around and to just kind of not make any progress. And so you need sometimes need stuff to be different and the movements and some of the stuff that he was bringing up, uh, was different. It wasn't so crazy different though. It wasn't like it was still lifting. You know what I mean? It was still lifting and still lifting exercises, which is kind of funny because we tend to be so nitpicky about some of these movements. I remember asking Matt Wenning, who was here recently, and he was talking about doing different exercises,

and he was talking about doing the Cadillac bar when he came in and bench pressed. And I was trying to get from him, hey, would you ever come in the gym and do something totally different? He's like, yeah, I would use a different bar. I would bench a different way. And I'm like thinking, no, like just, would you come in the gym and just like fucking huck around a medicine ball for the day? Or would you do sprints on the turf or would you bear crawl? Or like, that's where my mind was. But a lot of times we're so tunnel vision in what we're doing that we can't think outside. And to point out, I mean, just time and time and time again, it will always show you that these people that think differently are pioneers and they end up adding so much value.

You think of Donaher, what he's done in jujitsu. He came through and just, it changed everything. Look at Dana White. What is this barbaric bullshit fighting stuff? You can't, you guys, and it got banned in every state. And then they had to like, I think UFC two or three or whatever, had to go from one place to another in one night to still have a fight, still hold a fight.

Whatever people think of Dana White politically, whatever. But like the fucking guy's a pioneer. Like that's unbelievable. So there's going to be a lot of people that have a lot of different ideas. But Hoyce Gracie coming into the UFC and the UFC kind of being like a demonstration ground for everyone to see, okay, holy shit, there is a lot of value to jujitsu, right? We've never seen anything like that before. Before that, when I was a kid and you'd say, I wonder what would happen if Bo Jackson fought Michael Jordan or like, you would just kind of like, you would wonder,

fought michael jordan or like you would just kind of like you would wonder but now we know like oh like fighting is like very specific skill set and yes okay it could help to be faster it could help to be stronger it could help to be a better athlete but fuck it would help the most if you knew how to grapple you know if you knew how to protect yourself if you knew some some sort of martial art of some kind uh would be really useful and then if you're like well that guy's loaded up pretty good with martial arts he's probably he's probably gonna win but before hoist gracie before the gracies came along before the ufc came along unless you were like some devoted person in the in the fight game you didn't know that you had no idea it'd be like tyson's gonna tyson's gonna absolutely

destroy hoist gracie and there would just be there's no there's no possible scenario where that would happen i know that people want to dream it up and think that it would happen but there's no scenario where that would happen mike tyson would get destroyed by hoist gracie there's just there's not there like i'm saying, there's, in my head, there's not a scenario where Tyson has any advantage. He's not going to be able to land a shot. He's just not, it's just not going to happen. I know everyone's like, well, what if he did? He's not going to be able to land a shot.

And even if he did, do you have any idea how fucking tough Hoist Gracie is? That guy, I mean, I've never seen him get knocked out before. He's unbelievable. Tyson, though. I understand. I understand. that guy i mean he i've never seen him get knocked out before he's unbelievable tyson though i understand i understand like there's certain positions right where he could have like hauled off a punch like down where like hoist can't move do you remember that i mean look if tyson was training for it and he was up to it and like aware of it then maybe but like if it happened pretty quickly kind of out of nowhere like it's just i mean the odds of somebody being able to get to your feet really like of a another athlete a grappler to be able to get to your

feet really easily yeah is really high it's through the fucking roof yeah like the ability of someone just to cut down real low on someone like me is high because i don't have any defense for i don't work on i never thought about i don't i don't really know how to sprawl like i i just haven't done much of that yeah so you're asking it taken out fast if you don't have a skill set to defend that i mean i agree with you i mean maybe uh if it was prime tyson prime hoist 10 matches tyson maybe it would take two or three and the reason why i say two or three is because it's like uh you guys remember that match where was it masvidal versus what's his name then askren okay so there was the knee but i've also seen like people come in and just good strikers just just get you know

and if somebody goes clip somebody yeah yeah connor mcgregor um oh god fucking legend jujitsu uh beat the shit out of so many people oh my god he he called it before the fight he was just like i'm gonna clip them right here like his well see, just like an example like Chuck Liddell or Anderson Silva, they got much higher just because they can mitigate a lot of the stuff that Hoyce Gracie would be able to do. But if you can't mitigate any of it, you're fucking toast. You got to get that hit in early. You got to get it in while he's going,

or else once he takes you to the ground, it is game over. That's why I said, you know, two or three, that Tyson power is something else. Yeah, mcgregor aldo like i can it's 13 second ko that one he fucked him up but uh in this picture uh doug is 54 so dude not i mean i know this was a 2014 but he was still doing the break 20 back then when he came on our show he was talking about how he won a uh this might have been a competition doing only the brig 20 so it was doing very well and i wanted to bring up this guy um it's spelled renzo but it's so but it might be henzo but i haven't really spoken to him so i don't know if he has an accent but we'll just go with henzo uh he's been a huge proponent of uh the brig 20 also and he's been doing it he looks phenomenal

and i think he might be it says over 50 over 60 in the hashtags but this guy's a savage too and he's been following uh brig 20 stuff series doing some sissy squats cable sissy squats uh the shit's been it's been helping a ton of people. And before I click off, I got to give this guy a shout out too. So his IG handle is Kitoy Fitness. Same thing. He started, let's see here, when he was 48. And he's been going for, I guess, around 10 years.

So doing a lot of the Break20 stuff too. He does a lot of the break 20 stuff too he does a lot of other like traditional uh like bodybuilding stuff but yeah dude like the the impact that doug made on a lot of people to be able to gain access to working out again is fucking phenomenal and i love this post though because like i said he started very late he started at 48 yeah to just start taking shit serious yeah people that are like impaired or banged up and stuff, I think the program is even more amazing for them just because, like you said, they have access to be able to do a lot of these things.

I mean, most people can handle going in the gym and using some of the cable machines. He relied on some other machines as well too, right? So, yeah, he used the cable machine for a majority of the stuff, but like for bench, I like using the cable machine for like a decline cable press. But he was all about free weights. He loved doing free weights with the decline press. So he still was a fan of free weights because the direction of resistance is straight down and you can manipulate that to be a really good chest exercise.

Now, the chest exercise is more almost like a fly press, which we've done a bunch of times in the gym. So he does that. Cable machine, he liked the multi-hip machine that we used at the Niner facility. That thing was amazing. Those are pretty great. Glutes might still be sore. That and then I'm trying to think if there's anything else. And then, like I said, he started doing that pendulum sissy squat as of late.

And it's so funny. Like I would just get like a random text of like stretch marks. He's just like, I'm 62 years old and I'm still getting stretch marks. This is phenomenal. He's like, this training split that we're doing, I'm telling you, he's like, just keep going. It's going to be amazing. And it's just, it's so cool because he was still fired up every day to just do bodybuilding. The shit that he started, that he fell in love with when he was, I think, 14 years old, 13 or 14 years old. And then, uh, you know, unfortunately Bill Pearl just passed as well. And that's the first

guy that kind of gave him a shot. So, not a shot, but just, like, he started training at Bill Pearl's gym, and he kind of took him under his wing. But, like, he loved bodybuilding. He was just a huge fan. And, obviously, fucking very successful at it because he won multiple, like, AAU, you know, titles and stuff. But it just, it's so funny, dude. It's just, like, a 60-something-year-old man just sending me text messages being like, look at this stretch mark. This is phenomenal. AU you know titles and stuff but it just it's so funny dude they're just like 60 something year old man just sending me text messages me like look at this stretch mark this is phenomenal

you know it's just I'm getting jacked yeah yeah exactly like dude you're already jacked but yeah I don't know man like it's so cool like he was 60 years old over 60 years old like people that age are obviously and we're talking about like a different subset of people here, but like he would hop on a zoom call with me like whenever. And we would just talk about bodybuilding all the time. My dad can't even figure out how to turn on a computer and he's only a little bit older than him. So, and this is what you were talking about,

Mark is like, he had the gym, right? He did all these things early on and he kind of came back around and he did it again in his 60s hustling that shit's hard yeah he got yeah he got on you know social media and built out the name for himself built out a business and uh it's hard to try to figure out some of this stuff especially when you're older but it's cool that he had the passion for it for so long we unfortunately don't have any

details or information on how he passed or what happened really um all you can do is like speculate and that's not really a good place to hang out or live but we i mean we do know there are some dangers to uh bodybuilding on any level whether you're doing it drug free or otherwise it's obviously going to be uh more dangerous if there's drug abuse in there but anytime anybody like this passes there's people are always going to think steroids right away um it's just like i don't know how good that does us it would be it would be great if we could know more so that way um that way we could uh have other people you know avoid it but I don't think he he wasn't married he doesn't have children and I don't know if we're gonna like learn much more he did make a post and

he did talk about how he got vaccinated and he I don't think he was kind of halfway joking around I don't know he just kind of said you know if I die from, you know, if I die, it's because of the vaccine because I'm pretty healthy. But I don't know how much he traced his blood work or what other indicators of health or, I mean, he's like when we saw him, he seemed healthy. He looks great. But, you know, life is finicky. And this body of ours is a giant supercomputer, and sometimes the lights just go out and they don't come back. And we're not sure – we're not always sure why. People randomly die all the time, and when people die in bodybuilding, it just brings up more speculative stuff.

It's hard to tell. People all have speculation about that vaccine thing. I saw a bunch of comments and like, oh, yeah, it's hard to tell people all have speculation about that vaccine thing i saw a bunch of comments and like oh yeah it's the vax or whatever that shit's it's it's number one is too hard to know and just like chill with that shit like the guy just fucking passed you'll have your speculation on what it is but don't go saying some fucking dumb ass shit like that don't be a dickhead and use this man's death as your fucking argument don't for or against whatever the hell like this is my friend like shut the fuck up but um yeah dude so so he was a i called him a stubborn boomer you know again he's about my dad's age so i know like the class of people he is like not class but like the uh i guess age group um and so like that

post that he made right he was just like you want to just find it i can find it yeah yeah like but that's just like who he was he was kind of like a hard ass like um i was helping him with some social media stuff and i sent him like a video about like just certain like just general like posting things and he was like that was a waste of my time i thought it was so funny because i'm like dude i'm helping you out like just give me a chance yeah but like it's not that he he like was super stubborn because when he needed help he reached out like he wasn't like too egotistical to just like somebody else will figure it out like he he wanted to do it himself but you know again like i'll find this post uh you know he he was fiery as fuck like he he believed in himself

so much that he was talking about like i can't wait i'm gonna find one of these naysayers when they compete i'm gonna go to their competition jump on stage and blow them out of the water and i just he was so serious too. I loved it because he was so passionate about it. And like I said, he was so confident in what he was able to do. And we have the images to show that like, dude, he got shredded and he looked amazing. I think he was like trying to make a documentary or something too, right? Yeah.

They made it. It's called, gollylly sorry uh something game change um bodybuilding game change or something like that and it was cool it's available on youtube um it's on smart training 365's uh youtube channel um and it's pretty cool because it gives like a cool little backstory of like where he came from and stuff and then you know kind of discovering the break 20 um but uh let me see if i could find this post i know it's kind of like all over the place right now it's in the text art i think but there's like a better version of it uh okay but yeah i mean i i what i took from him um was kind of the

simple idea of like just questioning strength a lot more. Yes. And also questioning like the overarching question for me is, is what I'm doing really going to improve what I want to improve? And I don't like overly look at that because I don't want to just have like analysis paralysis. So I will still just go and do stuff. Like I'm still doing a lot of pushups. I still like doing some of my bench pressing. There's a lot of movements I still enjoy and still like. And so they're just, they're just there. They're, they're a staple. I like doing the belt squat. Um, I like pushing the sled. I like doing farmer's carries or certain

things that are just, they're staples and they'll be there until I can figure out a reason on why to get rid of them. But they're in for now. And so I think it's important to try to figure out, though, have some conjecture towards some of the stuff that you're doing and try to figure out what is the utility of this. And sometimes, I mean, it doesn't have to be any more complicated than sometimes you just enjoy it. Like if I don't bench press, I just feel like it's a disservice to my strength. Like I have strength that I can exhibit in a bench press and that's a nice exercise for me to do. It's a good overall,

good upper body movement to employ. So why not just utilize that kind of stuff? Yeah. And I keep telling myself like it doesn't matter, but like I still want to know exactly what happened, like how it happened. Right. I know it's not going to make me feel better, like, like, I still want to know exactly what happened, like, how it happened. Right. I know it's not going to make me feel better, like, but I still want to know.

Like, did he get the boosters or whatever? Like, it doesn't really matter to me. It doesn't matter that he got this thing about, like, a year and a half ago. Like, I just want to know what happened. Like, it sucks because I know it's not going to help but i would like to know yeah i'm just going to assume and that's not always great to do i'm assuming he died of a heart attack that's how most people just go um and what can happen and i'm not saying this is the case with him but what can happen in a lot of cases especially with people

that bodybuild i believe he was using some h. What can happen in some people's cases is the blood can get thicker. And when the blood's thicker, especially if you're competing for a bodybuilding show, if you're trying to get leaner, that blood thickness can kind of, and if you have kind of like high blood pressure or you're trying to take something to get leaner for the show, sometimes those two things meet up and they lead to something bad that's what that's what happened to charles poloquin um not not even when not even that caused his death but it caused a heart attack years ago i believe he took like clenbuterol or

something like that and his uh his blood was thick and and there's a guy who knows so much about you know blood work and and all kinds of stuff so so in some cases that's what happens with some bodybuilders and that's been the speculation around a lot of the other guys deaths is uh just like blood your blood pressure and the thickness of the blood yeah and i mean he was like just a few short weeks away from you know i think it was just guest posing i thought he was competing but maybe it was just a guest pose um and uh hopefully this is okay but like he has no reason to be completely honest with me you know because like we weren't like living together we weren't that close but he also wouldn't have any reason for like to lie to me either or to keep things from me

what are you talking about what he was taking so what he told me he was taking he was just on 200 milligrams of testosterone a week prescribed like it wasn't like i'm gonna do this he wasn't on as far as i know again maybe something changed weeks coming uh getting closer to the event but he wasn't on like he wasn't even on like t3 or anything like a low dose of i know i just said only but like right you know doctor prescribed t3 stuff is like 0.0 micrograms t3 something it's not testosterone it speeds up your thyroid right so that way you can burn fat or just your metabolism everything just burns a little bit faster from what i

understand okay um so again kind of going back to using him as a billboard for whatever the fuck you're arguing you know it's like oh it wasn't the vaccine it was all these steroids obviously he's on a bunch of steroids like well from what i know talking to the man he was not on all these steroids you know testosterone sure call it a steroid because it is but it wasn't like he was abusing. And, again, that's just me kind of getting a little bit too emotional about it when I see people, you know, post stuff. And I'm just like, God damn it. Like he's still a person.

Like quit using him. Well, anyone who looks remotely jacked and is in their, you know, 50s or 60s, if they pass, some people just die of natural causes. But if any of them pass, what the fitness side of the internet is going to do is they're going to scream steroids or they're going to scream facts. It's what people do. And it's pretty fucking shitty. But it's just the nature of the internet. And there's nothing we really do about it. Yeah. Yeah.

But, I mean, and then kind of going back to our conversations, you know, he was aware of blood work. Like, I mean, obviously he is aware. But like it was like in conversation, you know, cause he was like, yeah, if you're not going to, if you're, you feel like you're not making like enough progress, then let's go ahead and get your labs done. And I'm like, oh, well, I do that quite often. But so it was, you know, it wasn't like, um, oh, if you're not getting, um, the results you want, let's just hop on some shit. It was like, no, let's step one, blood work. So he was aware enough for me, I'm pretty sure. I mean, I know we kind of coach people better than we coach ourselves, but I would be shocked if he wasn't getting regular blood work. Like just, cause there's no,

like he's too smart for that. But, you know. Do you have that post there? Yeah, I do. Sorry. I didn't know if it was going to really help. But I can't read it. So if you can.

It's a little blurry. So Doug said, I have enough confidence in the vaccine based on my research to get it done. Those of you who think a vaccine kills people can use me as a test. If I die, you were right. If I don't die and have no ill effects, you were wrong and should admit it at least yourselves. Better yet, you should admit that you were misled and tell the whole world who misled you so other people can benefit by avoiding those fear mongers. Now, real quick, he mentioned his post, if he dies, you were right. Understand, again,

He mentioned his pulse. If he dies, you were right. Understand. Again, like you don't know. Just because someone says that does not mean that is what happened. So again, everyone can be free to have their conjecture or their speculation on, oh, see, this is what it is. But again, you don't know. So don't hold that as fact even though this is something somebody said.

Right. And this doesn't necessarily mean that bodybuilding is dangerous, although it be it can be at times especially when taken to extremes especially when you compete and you go really low fat and all these different things but there's been thousands upon thousands of people that have been bodybuilding that have navigated it fairly successfully without having negative repercussions so it's just hard it's too hard to like pinpoint, you know, any, any one thing. I think the main thing, you know, when I, whenever somebody passes, whether for me, it's been a family member or friend, I just always try to think, how do I take some of the qualities of this person and just have them live within me. And I can have that, share that out with other people and have good traits of

that person kind of float around forever, good ideas that they had. And I, you know, from Doug, I think it's, you know, why not? Why not have some questions about these particular movements? Why not have some questions about the way weights have typically been moved around in the gym? And that's been like a mission I've been on for quite some time now. And it's something I'm going to continue to pursue because I still think there's, I still think there's so much more cool stuff to examine within strength training, conditioning, stretching, mobility. I don't think we're going to like find like the thing. I don't think we're going to be like, oh, this is it. We found it. But we're going to continue to find things that are better, things that will improve us faster and faster. If you

think about technology, you can look at it like technology where technology used to move real slow. And all of a sudden, technology's just built upon itself and just went, and now things are moving super fast. And I think the same thing can happen for us with fitness to where new ideas and concepts can keep coming in. The ones that aren't good don't stick around because they just don't. They just don't work. And the ones that are helping us move forward, we'll keep those in and we'll keep working and working and working and keep finding stuff that's better and better and better. And what if something like the BRG20

could be something to help us get out of the obesity crisis that we're in now? Not only are people overly, they have excess body fat on them, but they also are under-muscled. So can we get people to train? We need more ways to train so that people can be encouraged to train because sometimes some of the lifting we were doing previously, cleans and snatches and deadlifts and squats and stuff like that are just a little overkill for some of the general population. But maybe grabbing a low pulley and doing a sissy squat might be more, might be something that might entice someone to at least get started, might be a gateway movement to get people in the door of the gym. because we are not closing. Number one, we're not selling a program. We're not married to an idea as far as gaining muscle

or gaining flexibility or moving better. We're not married to any type of ideas. We're just trying to bring forward information that can help people get better and improve in different ways. And we've been seeing the massive benefit of all these little habits that we've been bringing into our lifestyle these past few years. We've been seeing all the benefits, all these little habits that we've been bringing into our lifestyle these past few years.

We've been seeing all the benefits. But everyone who's also starting to do different things from different podcasts that they learn things from are also gaining benefit, right? Because we are not married to specific ideas. So I think what we're currently seeing, at least in ourselves, is all of this stuff adding up, all of this different pieces of information. We take what's useful. We discard what's not for ourselves and everyone the audience is also taking what's useful for themselves and discarding what's not and they're gaining benefit too so i think like all of this stuff is stacking upon itself and we're we're all we're all we're all getting benefit right and especially from the

stuff that doug showed he's allowed and helped people lift without pain into their older years. And that's pretty fucking amazing. So, yeah, we're all doing it. We're exploring. Yeah. And a couple of the comments were like, oh, I didn't even know who this guy was. I had to look into it. And this is something actually like Mark, you had said about yourself, but like this time last week, Doug Brignoli was not as popular as he is right now.

Unfortunately, it took him having to die and say some shit about a very controversial thing in order to get literally at this point, like fucking nationwide attention. Because if you go on Twitter, it's like it's very popular right now. Really? Yeah. That specific post? Yeah. It's like, it combines his post with like a picture of himself looking super jacked. So like, that's a, that's a huge bummer. And it's a, it's, it's a shame that like, that's what it took to, you know, get him on, I'll say the big stage. Yeah. Even having said that though, maybe it will help. Maybe somebody will start to look into it. Research more. So the comments that I'm seeing is like, yeah, I will start to look into research more so the

comments that i'm seeing is like yeah i'm having to look into this guy so in my head i'm just like okay obviously would rather him be here yeah but uh what's gonna happen is like people are gonna dig deep and they're gonna be like oh shit he was really on to something it's like dude that guy that guy knew what the fuck he was talking about it's like okay well he's gone now so what's gonna happen is uh people are gonna like i, right now they're searching it and they're going to find it. They're going to find our podcast. They're going to find, you know, different platforms that he's been on and look deeper into his book and stuff. And then be like, dude, he was onto something. Uh, years later, like I'll pass this down to my son. I'm like,

really looking forward to that. Maybe him and his friends might look back and be like, wait, who the fuck's Doug Brignoli? And they'll search it and be like, damn. So like what I'm saying is it's like it sucks that he had to be gone in order for more people to really recognize like how smart and how like when he came here, it was like ditch the barbell. It's so against the grain. Like, well, maybe in a couple of years we might find out like, oh, wait, maybe we were all against the grain and he was the only one going with the grain. You know, maybe he's going with the grain more than we were. That's that sort of feeling.

I know that's going to take time, but it just sucks that it's going to happen after he's dead, which is it sucks. But I think that's just what's going to happen is it's going to take people a while to understand exactly what he was talking about. Yeah, we lost a good one. Andrew, want to take us on out of here, buddy? Yeah, sure thing. Thank you, everybody, for checking out today's episode. Highly, highly recommend the book, The Physics of Resistance Training by Doug Brignoli. It's on Amazon.

It's a thick, thick, thick book, but you're going to learn a lot and you'll be a lot better for it. I'm going to miss my buddy. Try not to get too emotional. Just really grateful for Carl, Carl Lenore introducing us because without him, maybe I wouldn't know who he was. And Carl and Ron Penna, those guys were all up on him. They loved, loved his work. Yeah. So really grateful. Shout out to Mo Larby, again, for making that connection. Also, I really appreciate you, brother. Sorry that we lost a really good one. But if anybody, please go check the podcast that we did with Doug Brignoli.

We got shorts also on the channel, like short 10-minute clips if you guys want to get to the good stuff. Dude was phenomenal. So I highly recommend that you guys follow up and learn uh, learn more from Doug Bregnoli, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, please follow the podcast at MB Power Project on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. My Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter's at IamAndrewZ. And Seema, where are you at? To echo what Andrew said, check out his book.

I, I, I got his book too. It's really good. A lot of really good information in it and you'll learn some stuff. It'll be pretty great. Um, check out the Discord in the description. I don't see anyone on Instagram or YouTube. I don't see anything on TikTok and Twitter, Mark. The smelly tip for today is going to be something from Doug Brignoli,

so if you can bring up that clip of me doing the— I should have to find it. It's on Mark's page. I know. I still have to find it on Mark's page. Okay. Oh, cool. I found it within seconds. You are so quick. Wow. So fast. Let's do. Okay. Oh, cool. I found it within seconds.

You are so quick. So fast. Let's do this again. Young Andrew. Hey, what are you doing? Trying to get abs, bro. Man, that is a stupid exercise. Trying to get...

Let me explain to you why that's a stupid exercise. First of all, the abdominal muscles don't even connect to the legs. They go from the ribcage to the pubic bone. And what do they do? They flex the spine. They don't cross the hip joint. They do not cage to the pubic bone. And what do they do? They flex the spine. They don't cross the hip joint. They do not connect to the legs. They do not raise the legs.

They cannot raise the legs. So the question you have to ask yourself is, what is raising the legs? The hip flexors. Everyone knows that. The primary hip flexor is the psoas. Where does the psoas originate? On the lumbar spine. That means when you activate the psoas, it arches your back.

It pulls it forward. You're out there trying to do the opposite. You're trying to round your back. You have two opposing forces fighting for spinal position. Neither one wins, right? So no, ab raises, excuse me, leg raises are a hip flexor exercise, and you should keep your spine arched when you do them, if you do them at all, Right? But when you want abs, you want to isolate spinal movement, and you want to eliminate involvement of the hip flexors so that you can quit getting that pulling on the lumbar spine. All right. I'm going to quit.

All right. Well, we appreciate Doug Brignoli, the time that we spent with him. We're really grateful for it. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.