Mark Bell's Power Project - Rope Flow Will Transform How You Move Forever - David Weck || MBPP Ep. 1129

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

In Episode 1129 of Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast, Mark Bell and Nsima Inyang sit down with the creator of the BOSU Ball, David Weck, to dive into the world of effortless fitness through rope flow training. David shares how this unique method improves movement, balance, and overall athleticism by focusing on fluidity and efficiency. Whether you're looking to enhance your fitness routine, improve coordination, or learn new ways to move better, this episode delivers valuable insights straight from one of the industry’s most innovative minds. Don’t miss it!Follow David on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thedavidweck/Official Power Project Website: https://powerproject.liveJoin The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qNSubscribe to the Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUwSpecial perks for our listeners below!🥜 Protect Your Nuts With Organic Underwear 🥜➢https://nadsunder.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 15% off your order!🍆  Natural Sexual Performance Booster 🍆 ➢https://usejoymode.com/discount/POWERPROJECTUse code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!🚨 The Best Red Light Therapy Devices and Blue Blocking Glasses On The Market! 😎➢https://emr-tek.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!👟 BEST LOOKING AND FUNCTIONING BAREFOOT SHOES 🦶➢https://vivobarefoot.com/powerproject🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK Done! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel, and use code POWERPROJECT for 10% off any lab!Sleep Better and TAPE YOUR MOUTH (Comfortable Mouth Tape) 🤐 ➢ https://hostagetape.com/powerproject to receive a year supply of Hostage Tape and Nose Strips for less than $1 a night!🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained:   ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast➢ https://www.PowerProject.live➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerprojectFOLLOW Mark Bell➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybellFollow Nsima InyangFollow Nsima Inyang ➢ Ropes and equipment : https://thestrongerhuman.store➢ Community & Courses: https://www.skool.com/thestrongerhuman➢ YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=enFollow Andrew Zaragoza➢ Podcast Courses and Free Guides: https://pursuepodcasting.com/iamandrewz➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz/➢ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamandrewz#PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast #markbellspowerproject

As soon as you get on first base with rope flow, you can score runs forever. Literally within the first week, you get people of all ages, but you get people in their 50s and 60s like, well, I have better balance now. People do need to figure out a practice. They do need to figure out a way to move better. And I think the rope flow allows them that chance, allows them that opportunity to practice something. What type of response have you gotten over the years

from martial artists who've truly took it? Nothing but positive response from the martial art community. Insima, tell your story about your very first impression of rope flow. When I first saw it, it looked kind of wacky. Why am I going to do that? Why am I going to? What's the benefit of this if it doesn't help me knock somebody out with power? It's not a martial art. But then you realize the intent of this isn't necessarily just to knock people out. It feeds your understanding of movement. If you guys have been enjoying the content

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is really gonna be something that helps the podcast move forward. So if you can, leave us a review there, and enjoy the rest of the show. David Weck, welcome back to the show. Oh, we're live? We're live, we're going. We're running.

We're running. Ryan, do a good job with that video. We're gonna be We're running. We're running. Okay, Ryan, do a good job with that video. We're gonna be talking about running. We're gonna be talking about all kinds of stuff. Movement, locomotion, you know anything about any of this stuff? Well, I mean, talking about walking is one of my favorite things to do.

And I think a great place to start is with, people have been seeing Encima twirling these ropes around, and they think he lost his mind. They're like, what the hell's going on? Why is he so fascinated with this rope thing? And I think over a period of time, I've actually noticed a video that you put up recently,

your movement looked way better than it has when you first started rope flow. Which is quite obvious because you can move better off of doing the rope. And you're the inventor of the rope flow and I think it's really important to point out and it's important to speak about what is this for?

So basically, the secret to my success and my superpower is athletic inadequacy, okay? So if I walk into a room, I'm not the best man physically in that room genetically, okay? So I'm just not. And when I was 26 years old, I was living in Manhattan, I was personal training and acting, and I was like, I wanna learn some fighting.

Never studied fighting, I was football. Our idea of a fight in high school, oh yeah. I would say at one point, you were very jacked and tan. And I'd also say you look great. Thank you. You're in your 50s, right? Yeah, it's minoxidil, baby, yeah. Yeah.

Micro-needling. So I wouldn't sell yourself short on your genetics. No, because my intellect is elite. So physically I'm a B plus, because we have to be honest, okay? We're not going to inflate the grade. I would've went with C, but that's okay. Fuck! That's one higher than D.

That's right. That's right. So, but anyway, so I sign up for Wing Chun, right? Bruce Lee's first art. Ip man, ip man. So I proceed to take these classes and the instruction was terrible. One of the drills was line up, line up, face each other.

Okay, chain punch to the solar plexus. Okay, shift. And then there's the asshole who's actually hitting you, right? And, oh, I'm learning how to get hit in a vulnerable spot. But I read the books and I observed and I studied it and I got nowhere. All right? When I moved out to California, I was into using a stick. I was doing stick flow, staff flow.

Because it's an ultimate teacher and it's the fundamental tool weapon of humankind. It's kind of like Kali? Yeah, but I was using a bow staff, not a short. Oh, okay, okay. So the importance of the longer one is you get both hands engaged at the same time. Right? And the thing that's the impediment to reaching absolute fluid perfect with a stick is you got to let go of it. Right? And the thing that's the impediment to reaching absolute fluid perfect with a stick is you gotta let go of it. Right? So there's not instantaneous connection of right

and left rotationally. So the Wech Method logo, right, is up, down, all around. Up and down, that's gravity, so we have the where, center of the earth, and we have the where center of the earth and we have the when nine point eight meters per second squared accelerating So technically we're all falling right now, but we're up against the ground that prevents us from dropping but we're still falling right so it's a present thing and I Start I was studying everything I could you, Feldenkrais and Rolf, and understanding how the horizontal polarity of the shoulders can help suspend the vertical polarity of the spine.

And if you don't understand how to use the traps as that diamond, you know, up on top, well then you're leaving so much on the table. So I invented a thing called the quick hands bola trainer, which is two balls and an elastic cord. Because what I was doing was I took a hacky sack and an elastic cord, and I was experimenting with this pendulum effect, where if I track my eyes and arc

and I have a hand-eye coordination that I, if I get good enough, I don't even have to look anymore. Right? So it's eye-hand coordination until it's not, in a sense with that. And so I was doing all these pendulum arcs and stuff, and I found myself at the end of my set, I would bounce it up and catch it. And then I'm like, oh, oh, oh. And I got very, had a lot of fun and I tinkered many, many hours to download the skill. And oh, while we're talking,

find the quick hands Bola video because you're gonna play that one too. Go to YouTube, find the quick hands Bola and it's me with my shirt off in blue jeans in different locations. I do want to mention though, a cool thing about that is like, we're going to be talking about a lot of things, but that's not the capacity that people kind of leave

on the table, especially when they just start training in the gym, right? Hand-eye coordination, quickness, it's just not thought about. It doesn't change the way you look, and it doesn't increase the pounds on a bench. So why am I gonna waste my time, right? Yeah, there you go.

So that right there is the Quick Hands Bola Trainer, that was just a prototype on it, but it's a cat toy. And you just, I can get that thing going faster than 110 miles an hour. We put a speed gun on it, the cap did 110, and we got triple X. This thing needs to come back. It'll come back.

I want it back. I want it. Listen, and Seema, if Duncan had invented the Yo-Yo in 2004, whenever it was, 2002, he would've failed. How you gonna compete against electronics? You know what I mean? Yeah. I did see RFK was doing something like this,

but it was hooked to maybe like an app or something. You guys know what I'm talking about? Oh yeah, the red ball. The box ball. Yeah, I have one of those. It's not as fun though. It's not as fun as this. And Seaman, did you take the red ball

that usually goes here? That's nasty. No, I'm kidding. Cut, cut. So anyway, let me connect the link. I want to ask you a question in here because I think it's important. You mentioned like not being able to use the traps.

What does that mean? What I mean is if you don't understand how to expansively spread the horizontal polarity, you don't suspend the vertical as well. So it's all about getting that bilateral perfect where there's a suspension that's better and then learn how to coil and figure eight on that. So I have the figure eight.

Using like your traps and your collar bones. No, no, the traps are basically, you have to engage them in a way that depresses the shoulders and allows them to expand. And when you think traps, you think traps. But you gotta think the bottom of the traps. Something like protraction?

Yes, internal torsion. Internal torsion. Decompress the shoulders so the shoulders go down. Think about this, think about getting your elbows to come out, out, out, out, out, and then just do this, this, this, and make your elbows come as far out as possible and a little bit forward.

A little bit forward. A little bit forward, and the goal is that we want to suspend the spine easier. I see, like stretching the spine kind of through your core. What it does is if I'm walking on a tightrope, do I want to stick this big or do I wanna stick that big? A long horizontal gives me a better suspension of the vertical. And it just is what it is, right?

So and it's good to ask questions so we can understand why it, or we can describe and understand what it is, and with that understanding, we can consciously now start to target its improvement. You're kinda unsquishing yourself, like you might be like this tall and you're trying to like kind of elongate. Most of the forces we experience in regular life and sports is compressive force. Most of it.

And so any opportunity to get an expansive capacity is going to complement the compressive capacity. Right? And in particular for the carryover to doing better things in life, right? Because unless your goal is to win at weightlifting, why would you allow weightlifting to compromise your movement when you can just as easily make it enhance your movement? Much agreed. But if you want a total, you know, 3000 pounds, well you might have to waddle around for a couple years, you know, and it's just, pick your activity.

I loved waddling around, it was great. It's amazing to be that mana. When I ate four Ben & Jerry's. He waddled too. That's not as bad. Not as bad as you. No, he didn't waddle quite like me, but it was still good. Hey, but who was the better powerlifter?

You had the better waddle, you were the better powerlifter, right? Yes, that is correct. That is correct. I couldn't even waddle for that long without being out of breath. Turning red and getting sweaty. Getting sweaty. Yeah, that's exactly it. I want to take it back to the bola and how it got to the end. The rope flow and everything.

Yeah, so basically I spent two years on that bola thing getting good. Mm-hmm. Right, so my hand coordination. Then what I would do is I would snap it out and catch it here. Right, because if 110 miles an hour is coming at you and you catch it here, when another man is going to throw a punch. Yeah, you're in like a Mayweather position. You're less afraid of that, right? catch it here, when another man is gonna throw a punch. Yeah, you're in like a Mayweather position.

You're less afraid of that, right? Because you know how to catch it. And you're not afraid, you don't stand in. And missing small is the whole idea. Mayweather wants you to touch the hair on his chin and go no deeper, no further, and he's gonna follow you before you get back, he hit you. And he's the best that's ever done it in terms of genetics,

the nature and the nurture, he was born with it, and he was born into it. If your father and your uncles are like, you know, world title boxing guys, your father would have been, but he got shot, right? Your uncle was, right? And so he's weaned on that. So that's why he's so good.

And boxing's one of those things where, okay, well, we're gonna find out pretty quick if you know what you're doing. You know, George Foreman used to kinda throw almost like a double punch? Yeah, yeah. Right behind his jab was a straight right. And it's just so heavy handed, he'd kind of go,

dink, dink, and it was just like right, that first one was kind of almost knock your gloves out of the way to measure you a little bit. And that second one was just enough to touch you. And if he touched you, you were done. Well, Deontay Wilder, when he's dominating opponent, he'll literally like post up. You're back in the corner and I'm literally like,

okay, I'm like, okay. Yeah. Almost knocked the microphone out. Yes. So anyway, back to this progression, to the discovery of rope flow. So what happened was I had already been spiraling and working my hands and I've always been fascinated with the hands.

So I developed tremendous capacity with the hard, which is the stick, and tremendous capacity with the soft, which is the bola. The bola was too challenging for most people because there's a 10-foot wall right after the starting line. Yeah. Right? So I went to New York City in 2004, and I was presenting at a fitness conference in New York and Buddy Lee, the jump rope superstar, was presenting.

So we are booths, we had booths too, we're next to each other. So every hour he's putting on a show with the jump rope. And I had the bola and I'm like, oh, he's so, I thought here's the bola. Let's see if he can get good with that. And I found myself observing him like every hour and I'm like, there's a lot of reps that he's not jumping through. Like there's a lot of reps, right? And so I thought to myself, when I jumped rope

in high school for 20 minutes on a hard floor, my 40 was getting slower and my vertical was getting lower. So I stopped immediately because low amplitude trillions of reps is not going to do much for your ability to explode, you know, a big power, right? So I knew that jumping rope would beat me up. And it's not going to make me more powerful. The idea of jump rope is so you can move without moving. I can change my stance to change a power hand without having to move my center. Because I just changed my feet.

Boom boom! Right? Mike Tyson is like the best example. Of going from power punch to power punch because one power punch set up the next power punch. So with that proficiency, Buddy gave me his best speed rope. And so I'm flying into San Diego, land 1030 at night or wherever, I go into my backyard in Ocean Beach and I say,

I'm gonna get just as good as Buddy Lee and I'm gonna do it by not jumping through for 30 days. I will not jump through this rope. And it's actually hard to do at first because you're not, you're so conditioned that if you see a rope, I'm supposed to do that. It's fun to do, right? So anytime I had to urge to jump it, I would just trap it. I put my heel down and just bang.

And so instead of jumping, it was just a redirect. Right? And my logic was, what I want to do is I want every molecule of my mass participating, integrated and perfect with land load launch. Load explode, right? And the rope gives you a unified down up of everything down, everything up. And a jump rope is the opposite, both sides utilized. The jump rope is a syncopated where hands are down, feet are up.

So it's not giving you the neurological sequence of locomotion when you're trying to go fast or far. It's giving you locomotion where you can be in a little ring and change and move around that guy like Lomachenko, right? So in that process of 30 days, I just said, oh my God, I can download Wing Chun now. Like, because if you teach me without the teacher, and you tell me to put my hand here,

or put my hand here, right? How the fuck do I know what I'm doing if there's no sensory feedback from where my hand, like what's it supposed to do? What's it supposed to feel like? And unless you have an amazing, generous teacher, you're never gonna feel it. You're gonna be fighting like a dummy

using force and not skill. Wait, so explain that. Explain why you felt that you wouldn't be able to learn that better when you were using the rope. Because I don't think people understand what you mean when you say that. All right, so basically, with the rope, the tin cans are connected by the cord. So you can, with the rope, the tin cans are connected by the cord.

So you can, with the rope, if I have the rope in my hands, right, and I don't let go of it, then I can't tie a knot. Okay, we could do a million things, whatever, and it'll always just come back to that. Yeah. Right? So it's this instantaneous moment by moment, everywhere and when in the sequence is right now. I'm getting feedback right now, and the quality of what the rope looks like and feels like

is what you're doing to it. Right, so it becomes the teacher by providing you the honest feedback. Right? It'll hit you when it needs to hit you. And you'll put it down frustrated and not do it if you're not wise enough to make the investment. And the ant and the grasshopper,

if you're teaching two guys or girls rope flow, right, and one, just lost my train of thought. I'm on like, You're talking about getting frustrated. No, yeah, grasshopper, thank you. So if you're teaching two people, one person can get it immediately, right? And the other person, it's gonna take them two weeks.

Well, now it doesn't take two weeks because Chris figured I had to teach it better than me. So that, oh my God, I'm sorry. I'm fighting off a cold and I was on a cruise ship where I didn't sleep for three days. So anyway. You're talking about like being able to teach people some of this stuff.

So basically what happens is the grasshopper gets it easy and doesn't invest in it to go deeper. The tortoise beats the hare, the ant lives through the winter The grasshopper gets it easy and doesn't invest in it to go deeper. The tortoise beats the hare, the ant lives through the winter because it's stuck with it. And you can drill down deeper than that natural, better person when you cultivate it. It's like starting a fire. It's that gentle little ember, I need to get flame.

The cool thing is that, and we're gonna talk more about this, lifting is a skill too. I'm not saying, when I say what I'm about to say, lifting is a skill, doing stuff in the gym is a skill, but the thing is, is a lot of things that we learn in the gym, as important as they may be for helping you put some muscle on your structure,

once you learn how to squat, do a curl, do a pull, it's very simple from there. From that point, it's like getting your technique better, maybe loading up a little bit more weight, but there, and I know there can be layers when one becomes very elite. The foot positioning, there are deeper layers, but it's simple when it comes to the coordination of the body.

Now, something like this, all these little intricate aspects of what your feet are doing, how you're rotating your shoulders, your scapula, what your arms are doing, what your spine's doing, getting all these things to work together, it can be very frustrating for those who feel that they're not naturally coordinated. But the thing is, is it teaches you that high level of coordination that athletes who haven't naturally have. Correct, correct. The rope will also pull you into position a little bit, especially if you start to advance and use a little heavier rope. Well, you don't want to get tired.

And efficiency keeps you fresh. So that's another, you know, it's the Rosetta Stone of training modalities. Chris and I were on the plane and he said to me, you know, I wish there was something else that felt as good as rope flow in terms of like what you feel it doing when you've tapped in. Like as soon as you get on first base with rope flow, you can score runs forever, right? And as your sort of arc of capacity,

your young person getting better, getting better, and then the older person getting worse, getting worse, your only chance of running the race gracefully with Father Time is efficiency, right? Because the structure's deteriorating at some point, right? But if I can outpace the deterioration with my skill, then I can be the guy who shows up to Saturday morning jiu-jitsu roll and just, you know, you tap because I'm so efficient, I'm so invisible, right?

And a rope flow, you tend to take on the qualities of the tools slash teachers that you train with. So what kind of athletic qualities do you want? Do you want to be like lightning fast and fluid and integrated all the time? Every molecule of your mass working together to perfect land load launch from the fundamental coil positions of tossing it back and forth from right to left, there's nothing better on God's green earth than a simple piece of seaweed or a vine or horsehair, whatever the hell I'm making a rope out of. If I have leisure time, I'm gonna start playing with the rope

and then I'm gonna make one, I'm gonna ride on a horse and I I'm gonna get the calf, right? I wanna add this in, because we have this video of like back in the day when you were showing this early, but it's so cool, because I have the Rope Flow Foundations course that I get a lot of people doing. And the coolest thing is, literally within the first week, you get people of all ages, but you get people

in their 50s and 60s like, well, I have better balance now, because they're learning head over foot naturally with the rope. Yes, naturally. And you're double down pulsing naturally with the rope. Everything down, everything up. When you invest in down and you bet on the right stock, well, you get more return for free, the connective tissue recoil and the fluidity to ride the recoil.

Yeah. And it's like people are literally feeling like less back pain, less decompressed, et cetera. Yes. Just from that first week input. Yes. But it's when you go deeper and deeper and deeper, you get so many more benefits. It's like, and it doesn't beat you up, man.

Here's the thing. You have external objectives, you have internal objectives, right? If my goal is external, I am limited in terms of how far I can go, and I will never even do one order of magnitude. You're talking about like looks? No, I'm talking about physical capacity. Okay.

So if I bench press 100, the likelihood that I'm going to get to 1,000, one order of magnitude is not even possible. Okay. If you've shift to the internal focus, now you can go orders of magnitude deeper. Meaning I was on the cruise ship and the discovery that I made within the last 30 days led to insight where fast is even easier for me now, right? Because I've mastered the art of slow commotion. Because basically, if you could freeze the frame and you're still in perfect balance, well then you have perfect balance.

If you're passing through imbalance, you don't notice that there's imbalance. 51% balanced doesn't fall down, but you don't want to play with it. You don't want to live on that. 99% balance is a tire that has a pinhole leak in it. It's a spaghetti strainer rather than a bowl. And again, what we're looking for is the carryover. And the bridge that rope float does, it ties everything together. So now I suddenly have the capacity to skillfully use my strength for the fundamental equation,

which is as simple as shifting one's weight from one foot to the other. You do everything in the air so that when you're on the ground, you're throwing perfect pitches, right? You're hitting home runs. You can send, you can receive, you can express. And now you can unlock the capacity of what you walked in the door with without making any, you know, sarcomere stronger or bigger, but the skill allows you to integrate. And Chris did a PR, write down notes for the shit you're gonna confirm

with Chris, because he's gonna be able to tell it in not this tangential, I didn't sleep for three days, manner, okay? So quick question too. Chris did a PR of like 45 pounds, one arm press from 15 minutes with me. And that's why he came back. And then I gave him the rope and he devoured it.

He was working with like a frisbee team. He's got every one of these frisbee guys like doing ropes and doing pulsars and guess what? They're playing better and they feel better. Right, and that's what he did. And I recognize that he has talents that leave me in the dust on many things. So Wech Method is not Wech Method without Chris Chamberlain.

Explain this because I think Kelly Sturet was on the Huberman podcast. Yes! He brought up the idea of the spinal engine. I think that idea of the spinal engine is starting to proliferate a lot of what people are seeing in their feeds, and I think it'd be great if you could explain that idea, but also

how this helps train that type of movement ability. So specify the question exactly? The concept of the spinal engine, where the spine helps drive locomotion rather than just the arms and the legs, and how it can tie into what you're doing every day when you just train with the rope for a little bit. Okay, so if we look at like evolution,

and you'd want to use that as the model, first it's fish, right? And it's Piscean movement is all it is a side bend because there's buoyancy. So I don't have a vertical burden, right? I'm floating, right? And all I got to do is side bend. And there was a scientific study done where they took this,

I don't know, certain viscous material that's a little harder than water, and it's cohesive, and they wiggled it back and forth a trillion times, and it started to nodally take harder segments and softer segments harder because the frequency of the wiggle creates a sine wave, right, a sine curve. And so when you're on that sine curve, right,

you get a hard vertebrae, right, then a soft, the disc, the hard. And it turns out that that structure is more biomechanically efficient than all soft, all hard, too much hard here, not enough soft there, right? So we have that articulation of perfection that creates the vertebrae.

Now I wanna go up on land and go to In-N-Out Burger or something, right? Now the amphibian comes. Now you have the burden of gravity and you're on this frame. You build on what you got. So if I do that and now suddenly, oh, I'm not going anywhere

because I'm on the ground, my most efficient move is that. I didn't spend any energy, but I advanced myself. Moving like an alligator. Yeah, yeah. There's one kind of alligator that runs upright like a mammal. This alligator run, Otto Bolden sent me a video

of this alligator running like a fricking dog. Current? Yeah. Is this shit in Florida? I don't know, but Otto Bolden sent me it and it was like, look dude, and I'm like, wow. Terrifying. I didn't know that alligator was alive.

You don't live there. So the spinal engine was born really in the water, just side bend, but as soon as you get on land, it's 3D. And so now I have to do this, I can't brace my core and do that, right? That's not gonna work. There's too many calories and too much exhaustion for that to be sustainable, right?

This is chill. The paleo diet ultimate is a lizard sitting on a hot rock for a month till a cricket comes by. Right? If I don't have to potentiate vertical potential, that could be cold blooded. All I need to do is just let the sun do my metabolism. Right?

I'm burning no calories. Right? That's sit on a rock. That's the paleo diet. Right? So, and they're ripped. So, the spinal engine then goes to vertical when you come to a tree. Oh there's an apple up there I want to go get it. Well you

took horizontal and now you were incentivized to go vertical and now suddenly the differentiation of I don't need these for support anymore. I could do anything with these things because my feet do all the support and transport in terms of the interface, right? And that differentiation is what gave us the capacity to do everything because we have hands. Dolphins and orcas and whales,

they might be smarter than us, but they can't take out a splinter. They can't type. They can't materialize or actualize that which their brain has the capacity to do. So you don't develop it, right? So when you have that vertical, you're still on the same mainframe.

And you have that very special efficiency of we're the most efficient animal on the planet other than like the condor, albatross, whatever, right? A human being on a bicycle covers more ground with less calories than anything. And if you're going to chase it down, as long as you got friends, and if you lose sight, you know how to read the dirt, where it went, you're going to get it. You're going to eat tonight. Well, maybe tomorrow night, maybe three three days, but you gotta keep going.

And that's an efficiency thing. And the spine, the proximal is essential. You'll still live if your name is Bob because you cut off the arms and the legs. You're still living. But you can't harm the proximal. And there's an in-to-out relationship, which means there's an out to in relationship.

Somebody asked me a question. You do all this spinal movement. What about the person who just got their spine fused? Right? They're just off the operating table. What's your rehab then? Can't do your stuff. Oh, really? Well, yes, we can. You know how we do it?

We have you cloud the hands. You just figure eight. Because I just coiled. Oh, okay, boom. I just did the opposite. All the muscles in the soft tissue are doing what they do when the back is normal, when the spine's normal.

So that distal stimulus is giving me the proximal muscle memory that I can make the transition from side to side. That's the way you did, you did the deadlift walk. You take the thing that you're expert in and you make a connection that lets you do the essential aspect of the locomotion by simply just doing this with your hands. Just that. Right? And like, if you look at CrossFit, for example, if I want to compete at exercise, I run the

risk of sagittalitis. Because if we're doing a discus, okay, well, how many discus do we need? Right? Like, how many reps can you squeeze in? Right? So it's a physical feat, but it's not, you know, it isn't the same. So, the spinal engine is the reality, and you have all the corroborating evidence on video. When we look at Usain Bolt, or when we look at Bo Jackson, or we look at the people who do it naturally, they're doing it naturally. And it's more natural to move perfect

than it is to move imperfect. If it were more natural to move imperfect, we wouldn't be here. And what happens is when convenience through technology increases to the point where all you need is the phone and, you know, DoorDash and Uber, your incentive to move, you don't need to. Stephen Hawking, you can be a productive member of society and you can't even, you know, can't even eat a cracker.

You need help for everything. So it is the reality. And I think people don't like to change, even when the change is positive. And especially when the change uproots everything that you've been teaching for 20 years. Right? So if I'm the expert in the high jump, and I'll teach you the scissor kick, I'll teach you the western roll, I'm the best. Well now Fosbury comes along and suddenly he's doing something that's biomechanically better because the center

of mass doesn't have to go over the bar like it does in the other ones. So you successfully clear the bar but your center of mass never went over it. Fosbury sets the Olympic record, wins the gold, and it completely ridiculed, rejected. The next Olympics, four years later, the gold medal was a lower jump, doing the old technique. Because you have, it's looking at it too short. Because if you have an audience out there, and you're a super stiff guy like yo stiffness

and spine don't move it you already have an audience just come clean just come clean and say oh my gosh wow and then we can take all the knowledge that you have which is a lot for spine health and the structure of it and stuff and you do want wanna be able to brace it so it's not gonna move. But for it to matter and carry over productively, it has to connect to X on the map, which is perfect balance through locomotion. And unless you're doing that, you're suffering something that you don't need to experience.

You're creating a problem through ignorance and the mirror neurons and just how you learned was osmosis. You didn't sit down in a chair and look at a PowerPoint and learn how to walk. It's positive and negative reinforcement, mirror neurons. I'm going to do what I see. Some girl in England was, you know, raised, she was the child of two drunks who put her in the backyard with the dogs when she was, you know, an infant precognition. Then they find her when she's 12. She, she like eats with her mouth. She walks on all fours. She's a dog. She's a dog. We're that, you know, you're born in Chinese, speak Chinese. You're born here, you speak English. Right? So we are so plastic and so moldable

when we come into this earth, baby deer falls out and if you don't stand up in a minute, well, we gotta go, the lions are coming. Human being, you gotta take care of that thing for a long time until it becomes autonomous. And here's another thing. You can make an argument that there's been more locomotion performed carrying a stick than not carrying a stick, if you look historically.

Because the stick was once the essential, necessary tool weapon that allowed you to eat and survive. So you have to carry, the burden of the stick, you have to carry it. And so when you carry a stick, you got to go fast. You don't swing a stick. You pulse a stick. You find the center balance point, and then you carry it efficiently. And then you take that extra mass that's a burden and you put it to work for connective tissue recoil. And, and now some people run faster with a football

than without a football. Some lacrosse people run faster with the lacrosse stick. Because human being is not a human being without tools. Our capacity to wield the instrument and play the flute and do anything we wanna do is contingent upon differentiating, going from horizontal to vertical, and it's on the mainframe of the spinal engine. And I don't know, I think to people who are,

if you're disagreeing with it, just check yourself that it's not some reflexive reaction that is limbic crisis that you're not right. Learn how to learn from people you don't like. I don't care who cures cancer, I'm taking the pill. I don't care. So, as a foundational element, nothing trains the essential fundamental qualities of locomotion, swing and throwin', those three things, than a simple piece of rope. And when you don't jump through it, you can make it just as intense as jumping through it,

as you probably already found out, right? You could get going with that rope. You make yourself just as tired. Yeah. Right? And you're getting what it translates to as the priority. So syncopated beat of hands down, feet up, that's not as important as integrated on the beat. I need the beat, right? And the beat, what's that song? The beat goes on. And the beat goes on, and the beat was strong. So does that answer the question on spinal engine? Along, yep. Okay.

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Yes, yes, Wek Method is a practice. You're gonna work on it, you're gonna practice it, and you're gonna get better at it. One of the things that you'll see when you walk around and you just observe, you start to learn about locomotion, start to learn about movement, You see other people walking, and I've kind of observed that it looks like some people are walking in two or three different directions

at the same time. Because their foot's pointed one way, their shin's pointed another, and their knee's pointed another. And unfortunately, there's a lot of people that just, they're unaware, they just haven't learned any of these things, and their body, we can kind of say, hey, look, if you're walking around and you don't have any of these things and their body, we can kind of say, hey look, if you're walking around

and you don't have any pain, then maybe there's no problem. And if you run a 4-4-40, maybe we don't need to talk about your knee caving in when you're walking or whatever it might be. But for the most part, a lot of people are in a lot of pain. A lot of people's bodies are compressed and they're messed up and they're screwed up. I would say above the age of 40,

I would say that it's more rather than less. It's huge, right? It's more than 50% have pain when they're over 40. And so, you know, having a practice of trying to walk better most likely isn't gonna happen because of the amount of knowledge that it takes to kind of get there and so on. But people do need to figure out a practice.

They do need to figure out a way to move better. And I think the rope flow allows them that chance, allows them that opportunity to practice something. And then their steps will get better. Because if I tell you, if you're unfit, you're 350 pounds, you don't move very well, you're stiff, you're just getting off the couch and you have this goal of like changing your life,

you wanna one day run a half marathon or something like that. Probably one of the worst things I can do is have you walk a lot. Yeah, if you're walking wrong, you're practicing not perfect. Right, right, and so probably a combination of a little bit of rope flow and some walking,

and then you getting used to integrating some of what you learned with the rope flow with your walk. And walking with rope flow. There we go. You see what I mean? And getting movement, yeah. I don't need to just stand in one place. And our whole thing is we're encouraging you to walk it back

from perfect so that you're aiming it perfect. We just talked yesterday too with Chris Henshaw. and Chris Henshaw is a huge fan of kind of getting into zone two or partially out of zone one cardio, getting closer to zone two. This gives you that, this similar practice as well. You can go zone zero and you can go zone a hundred. Yeah, you can go as hard as you want with the rope. You can go as soft as you want. And literally like you can break your leg and you want with a rope. You can go as soft as you want. Right. And literally, like you can break your leg

and you're still row flow. But it'd probably give a lot of people, especially people that aren't fit, it'd probably give them an opportunity to be in that zone too without any harmful impact. They're not really doing anything that difficult. If I walked into a Starbucks where you have relatively affluent people

who go to the gym and whatever, if I asked them who here loves to run, a majority will say they don't like running. A majority. Yeah. And then you go regular people, right? Go on a cruise ship, you know, nobody likes running. You know what I mean? There's only a few.

So if you don't like the activity, you're probably not gonna, you know, want to do it. I don't like walking in the sense that when I had roller blades on my feet, the efficiency was greater. And I hated walking when I lived in New York City, because it was slow. And like, oh, God, I got to walk all the way there? It's 20 blocks to a mile. And on skates, I can grab onto the back of a car and I can get there fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?

And so I love efficiency. I fell asleep standing up when I was six years old and I think my body registered, like, wow, I want that level of effortlessness, right? Where the conscious and sort of subconscious nexus point where it's like you're asleep but you're standing up. It's such a good feeling, right? So I think I've been chasing that all my life

and not having the capacity to get paid money to play a game, which was what I wanted to do, realized that I couldn't early, but I trained as if I were, and then that fire, inventing the BOSU ball, knowing that that was my American dream, I'm going, you know. That was you? You invented that thing?

Don't beat me up. That thing doesn't work. I know, it makes healthy athletes weaker. Stupid. Hammers suck it makes healthy athletes weaker. Stupid. Hammers suck. I hate hammers. Hammers are terrible because every time I wash my windows with the damn hammer, the window doesn't get clean.

It breaks. Therefore, hammers suck. That's their argument against the Buzzy Ball. And it also fed the narrative that I need to keep my spine stiff, because I have to generate more force and anything that doesn't generate more force is making healthy athletes weaker. I'm standing right now on your sole steps,

which kind of put your feet in this kind of almost like domed position. And we were talking a little bit before the show about how long ago you created the BOSU ball. About how long ago that was. 1999. And you created the BOSU Ball. About how long ago that was. Yeah, that was 1999. And you created other products around it. Yeah.

And you got these, I don't know if you're allowed to talk about those guys. Yeah, no, I brought them and did, yeah. Let's talk a little bit about these souls and what you're trying to do with the feet. So what the BOSU Ball did was it bought time. I could have started my own company like you and you know made more money to this point but I'd be telling you to do sit-ups on the damn thing. Like what am I gonna teach you

that's special if I don't know? So I licensed it to you know I can go out to dinner with friends and I don't care. Like Joe Rogan and someone else said, like, that is, Brian Callan and Joe Rogan, they say that my definition of being wealthy is I can go out to dinner and pick up the check and I don't care. Like I'm having fun and I'm that simple. So for me, that's my definition too. But my habitat is where I will make the investment. I want to build, you know, just the Garden of Eden that I never have to leave, right? You come to me, Mark, you want to come?

Want to do a podcast? Well, bring the guys down. You can jump on my plane. And because I do have a three stage master plan, okay? And I think what I would... I mean, because I do have a three stage master plan. Okay, and I think what I- All evil villains do. Actually, I'm an anomaly in the sense that I was the first born child of amazing parents

whose principal objective was to care for me. So I had 19 months of being the center of the universe. Every want, every need satisfied now. Then my brother's born. Oh great. No, no, but check this out, check this out, check this out. My brother is born and I do nothing but just shower, shower him with affection.

That's great. Because I'm the king. It's my world and now you came into it. And this amazing world, dude. Okay, now I'm six years old, I lose a foot race. Like what? That didn't compute. Like that went not in my world, I never lose.

Okay, well, he's faster than me. So I get that crisis that I'm not the best. And then you start, you know, you don't always get what you want, and you gotta either figure out how to do something different to get what you want, or you gotta take a different course. So those are the fundamentals.

And so what I have, and I'm gonna, like the clinical diagnosis, I've got a lot of experience in it because I've gone through the roller coaster. But the, hmm. Three steps. You're gonna cut these little mental things. We got you.

Yeah, because I'm like fucking, woof. We got you, buddy, you're all good. You're talking about your three steps to take over. Yeah, so all right, so we'll get to the three stage master plan, ubiquitous in fitness and sports training. Ubiquitous meaning in the zero sum game that is training professional athletes, WEC is in the center of the circle.

You're gonna do something that's mine. If you do road flow, you are powered by Weck Method. All right? And ubiquitous means that everybody buys it. Who has not bought a jump rope in their life? Who hasn't bought a dumbbell in their life? Right? It's a generic thing and what I have is proprietary generics. So it's something that just has utility, but I owned a trademark, right? I owned the patent. So it gives me time to exploit that so that I could do more. And the BOSU ball gave me every minute of every day my own.

And so I just put those minutes to work doing what I already love to do, which is get better and like moving. And it was fight flight response ability. Was this video right here made after you made the bow soup all? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was probably 2005 or six, probably.

Let's let her rip. Yeah. rip. Yeah, so this, so you see it's basically if you don't jump through the rope, it attenuates there are only four fundamental patterns. Everything else is built upon those. And there's the idea. That was another invention that rope. It was like a beaded. What it was, what it was is I took, you know know like when you're gonna snake the drain down the toilet?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I cut off the springs, and I taped and made a handle out of that spring, so I had a fluid that was stiff. It had the structure of a stick, but it bent when it had enough force on it. So it was like easier to learn to dragon roll. Easier to learn to stick, to sneak. No, you know, the interesting thing is like, because there's a lot of martial arts that I've gotten doing it too right now. Yeah, I see them. I noticed the carryover. That's why I've stuck with it because there's a lot of like the rotational movement that I've been able to

just make smoother from that has just made grappling smoother, but martial artists notice it too. So what type of response have you gotten over the years from martial artists who've truly took it and worked with it? I was training KJ Noons and Joe Duarte back in 2005. We'd go to the arena in San Diego, six in the morning,

and we always did ropes to, you know, warm up. Yeah. And Joe Duarte fell in love with ropes. He was teaching martial arts classes, everybody warmed up with rope flow. He called me up, he's like, David, I just did a left-handed switch and I never done a left-handed switch. It's just my body knew it. So he became a huge advocate for it. And then peppered in with a few other guys. Diego Sanchez was another guy I was working with.

Nothing but positive response from the martial art community. And martial's tough because nothing draws out the haters like martial. Nothing. I mean, you could be Bruce Lee and you could be teaching something. Oh, but he wasn't a real fighter. Yeah. They want shit that works, that comes from another fighter, right? They want stuff that's like, I guess proven, you'd say.

Yeah. But I think, and Seema, tell your story about your very first impression of Rope Flow and your pull toward it or not pulled toward it. What did you think when I came up here? When I first saw it, it looked kind of wacky, you know? And what's it do for me? Yeah, what's the exact? Does it make my muscles bigger? But this is the thing.

First off, putting it into practice, when you're actually someone who puts things into practice and you give things a shot, you notice, okay, like even though I had this idea that it wouldn't be that helpful, my body can't ignore the rotational benefits and the feeling. The integration.

The integration, but outside of that, because I've talked about this before, I think generally when it comes to martial arts, but also the way, like, the way we look at things, I see American coaches and the way I think, like we kind of look at things here in America, even when it comes to martial arts, is like, you look at boxing, jiu, even when it comes to martial arts is like,

you look at boxing, jujitsu, these are martial arts that like, they're hard on the body and they're hard in response. Like boxing, you can't deny how effective throwing a good punch to somebody's chin would be. Yes, it's the best way. But then when you look at some of these Eastern ideas of internal martial arts like Tai Chi

or like these other things, when people look at it in the West, it's pure McDojo. Like, why am I gonna do that? Why am I gonna, what's the benefit of this if it doesn't help me knock somebody out with power? It's not a martial art. But then you realize the intent of this isn't necessarily just to knock people out.

It feeds your understanding of movement. Just like rope flow. Which helps you knock someone out. Which helps you knock someone out. Which helps you knock somebody out. But it's not the, it's just like lifting. Where am I gonna see? Am I gonna see that I look better? Am I bigger?

If I'm bigger and I look better, that's the benefit. But with something like this, you don't necessarily see it until you see somebody move well with it. You know what I mean? Basically what you're doing is you're using the wire to train yourself to be wireless mm-hmm you see what I mean so and literally okay do you understand what I'm doing I can feel it but I don't understand it yet okay pay attention very close attention I'm gonna do a couple reps it's like crazy now you

don't feel creatine all right but know that you know, it's fucking working Last night, okay. I was my daughter texts me at 4 in the afternoon Yeah, and I'm like, oh like I'm fighting off a cold. I feel horrible. I'm so dead. She's like, oh, so you're not coming over I'm like no, I'm coming over. So I go to the grocery store. I get nice steaks and you know I'm gonna cook no, I'm coming over. So I go to the grocery store, I get nice steaks, and you know, I'm gonna cook everybody dinner and stuff. And I end up getting home at 1130 at night, you know, because I had a bunch of stuff to do and stuff like that. I don't go to sleep last night till 1 a.m., okay?

And I woke up at 445 to get here. Nasty. And that's on top of three days of essentially very bad sleep. Every night getting worse on the boat. I don't do well on a boat. Why did you go on a cruise? My son's birthday. I got to bring...

If it's for your kids, you gotta do it. My son and his two friends, we went down to Ensenada, Mexico. I mean, come on. It was amazing. It was amazing. I can't ever picture myself going on a cruise. Why not? It's like the worst thing ever. I mean, come on. It was amazing. It was amazing. These kids are- I can't ever picture myself going on a cruise. No, why not?

It's like the worst thing ever. I would just wanna shoot myself. No, listen, if you're gonna go on a cruise. It's like Walmart on the water. Yes, correct. One person fat on the next. Yes! Everyone just lounging and getting drunk and getting fatter.

I just couldn't handle it. That's true. That is true. That is what a cruise is. Yeah. And it's just like- Not for me. It is so boring. I'd be like, I wanna run. No is what a cruise is. Yeah. And it's just like. Not for me. It is so boring.

I'd be like, I wanna run. No one will let me run. You're gonna run around the ship? Yeah. They have a little gym in there. They do, they do, for sure. Yeah, if you run like 6,000 laps, you'll get to a mile, right?

Oh, but let me go back to three phase master plans. So ubiquitous in fitness, okay? Next one, footwear and apparel. Next one, surfaces. Surfaces. If we interact with it in 3D space, what if, dot, dot, dot, we can make it better? And I'm talking any and all things.

How can we make the ergonomics of the design make you better off when you're not interacting with the thing? My footwear will provide not so much structural support, but the neural capacity, sequencing, N-grams, connections to do it better when I'm not using the tool. So it's a neurological stimulus. It's not an arch support from Dr. Scholl's

that's like pressing you, that's assisting you, but making you worse without it. What I'm doing is I'm making you better with it and better without it. Is this like the soul steps, right? Can you explain, because I think some people, and if, Ryan, you could pull up the soul steps, people like look at these things

and they're like, what is this doing? Because it's this, it's not, you know, it's this thing that's at an angle. So what is that doing? Yeah, so basically- We stand on these all the time, by the way, guys. We have pairs of these back here. We're always standing on these during the podcast.

So with the Soul Step, basically what it is, like Mark said earlier, there's a spot on the Bosu Dome that is this same pitch relationship. So if you're on the top of the dome and you move your feet back just a little bit, you have this patented relationship that helped me find this, where the inside ball of the foot is the highest, the outside heel is the lowest. So the water is going to flow that way.

And what that does is it allows you to take your center of mass and it allows you in relationship to your foot, you can move your center of mass forward micro millimeters to have even better balance and potentiate movement because you have weight in the ball of the foot. It gives you a little bit of a soft heel. It gives you the float, right? You don't need the heel.

If I don't need the heel, then I can use the heel. If I need it, it's already float, right? You don't need the heel. If I don't need the heel, then I can use the heel. If I need it, it's already busy, right? So now, what makes it really special is that the inside heel is higher than the outside ball of the foot, so the water flows that way. So we have an X going like that, and then the X, the other part of the X going there,

like that. And so it takes me to the initiation point of the outside ball of the foot, and it prevents premature collapse. So the key to not hurting yourself from an internal thing, a valgus issue. The key to that is the sequencing of when you're gonna go to the inside. If the knee is past the toes, you're safe, because your heel will spin out. If my knee is behind my toes, that's when bad things happen.

And so what the soul step does is it puts you into a position where if you didn't have the soul step, your body would be moving. So we get to hover in that space that you can only pass through in regular life. So you become very, very familiar with that tiny little adjustment of center of mass and relationship to base of support. And it's special. And again, Chris Chamberlain is like the ultimate litmus test because his physical prowess is off the chart and his honesty is cruel.

You know what I'm saying? Like he will not try to make you feel happy if you ask him a question. And when Chris Chamberlain says, I hindered my hip playing football, you know, 18 years ago, and it's always been a little bothered. And his son, Sirik, when he was a little baby, he's, you know, just giving him figure eights

at two in the morning on Soul Steps. His hip got fixed. Oh, why? You know, just giving him figure eights at two in the morning on soul steps. His hip got fixed. Oh, why? Because you're the figure eight represents the infinite. You're never stopping. If I go forward and back and I have to stop and go stop and go is slow and it takes time and tired.

Right? So, if I don't have to stop and I can loop, loop, loop, I never stop. The object in motion tends to stay in motion, right? So Chris stands on these, his hip from a lifelong injury that's not going to go away, goes away. I'm talking it's gone, goes away. I'm talking it's gone. Like no more restriction whatsoever. And my brother also, perfect litmus test, because my brother's idea of fitness is I'm gonna sign up for the half marathon and that's gonna force me to do it and then I'm gonna run and now I you know I pulled my calf and okay you know I still gonna do it you know and so that's his idea of exercise. Has a home gym and everything.

I don't think he's ever in there. But I brought it over to him when I first created it and he stood on it and he goes, David, I like these. They're simple and I feel better. Okay. So my brother, Peter, he's younger to me, but he's more mature than me. And he rung the bell in the internet.

He had a profitable internet in Dot-Com that sold, sold. Like it's, you know what I mean? Like he doesn't have to check in at 9 a.m. You know what I mean? Free to do what you want. And he's sort of, you know, he's on my board of directors, and it's so funny, because I'm always on to the next thing.

And the power vest, I'm like, Peter, the power vest. And then I can do one with this and it's gonna have the little channels and it's gonna be a form fitting compression shirt and it's gonna have this. And he's like, David, David, David, David. Here's what you should do. You should invest all of your time and energy and effort

into what you have right now, okay? And you make it the best vest that it can possibly be and then go do your other stuff, right? And I know that, but I just get passionate, enthusiastic and very excited. So when he says, I like it because I don't have to do anything and it makes me feel better, well, what's a better promise to a customer than you don't got to do anything and you're gonna feel better? Cut the carrots and the onions and the tomatoes

Standing on these things and when you're standing on them, don't just stand on them. Step off it Go get the bowl and the paper towel and then come back stand on it it. Yeah. Right? The best position is the capacity to go to the next position. Because one position is bad if that's all it is. So it's just habituating how you are interacting with gravity and the ground. You don't want to go against gravity. You want to go with gravity and the ground. You don't want to go against gravity. You want to go with gravity. You invest in down coming to perfect structural support, harnessing as much connective tissue recoil as possible

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how can they get it? Yes, that's over at MerrickHealth.com slash power project and at checkout enter promo code power project to save 10% off any one of these panels or any lab on the entire website links in the description as well as the podcast show notes and this is a Mimicker a little bit of what you were demonstrating earlier about running you're saying you want to kind of hit that outside edge And it's important to get to the big toe some of the stuff that I like that you talk about You know when you've been helping me with some of my running, when I send you videos and stuff, is that you're always just kinda like,

you're always focused on sort of where, like where I'm at, rather than just saying like, it has to be done this way. And then usually what you'll tell me to do, which I found to be really helpful, you'll say, hey, why don't you just play around with this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that, those words are important, because that's not like, hey, you say, hey, why don't you just play around with this? And those words are important,

because that's not like, hey, go do eight 100s this way. That's a way different conversation. You say, hey, why don't you, maybe next time you do a jog run or whatever, why don't you just incorporate this and play around with it? And that's been really helpful. Yeah, well, speaking to your audience,

the appropriate message for the appropriate person, right, your investment into, you know, self-improvement to achieve some goal that you want to do is, you know,.01%. Okay. And I knew about you and I loved you way before when I watched, you know, Bigger Stronger Faster, right? I mean, Mark Bell, oh my God, and like Louis Simmons, right, you know, all those guys.

And I like strong. Stronger is better than weaker. Right, and that's your whole thing, right? Weakness is not a strength, but what I would say is that wrong strong is a weakness. Well yeah, concentrate, well I wouldn't even say it's wrong, I would just say it's, when you concentrate on any one thing, you're gonna lose capacity to a lot of other ones.

What I'm saying is if you're not walking with perfect balance and you're building strength on that, you're building strength on dysfunction. You are. Alright, well how are we gonna get you functional? Well, Wek Method starts on the wall. We're gonna differentiate, we're gonna give you functional? Well, Wek Method starts on the wall. We're going to differentiate. We're going to give you right now ready poised to pounce.

I'm not getting tired on one leg, potentiated to spring into action as soon as I need to. An interesting thing to think about here is, because I understand what Mark is saying. Like when one focuses on a specific thing, especially within lifting, there's a certain, it does certain things to the way you move. But it makes me think about this,

because I know we've seen, like if you want to be the greatest, there are examples of what the greatest look like, there are what examples of what the greatest move like. But I also think that if you're someone who's lifting, there should be no reason that improving your movement ability should take away from your ability to lift well. if you're someone who's lifting, there should be no reason that improving your movement ability should take away

from your ability to lift well. You're just not leaving your movement ability in the trash anymore. Because when you focus in on purely power lifting or bodybuilding or weightlifting, and you're not doing anything nutritious for your movement ability outside of that, it's gonna develop this type of,

this way you move through space. And you should, if you can improve that, that can probably benefit your ability as a lifter. I agree a ton. I think you're gonna see more athletes get through their career and be flourishing when they're done. Yep.

I don't know what Tom Brady's capacity is. I don't know if he walks with a limp or anything, but he looks like he's. No, I think he's fine. He looks like he's doing, and he's played a really long time, won more Super Bowls than anybody, so you're gonna see,

and he's someone that is known for taking care of himself. Yes, yes, absolutely. And the rule changes have certainly helped that, because Joe Montana took a beating. That was a little bit more. I still think he's doing okay, though, even though his elbow and his back got all destroyed. I know a guy who knows him, okay,

and the reason why he stopped playing football is because Monday. Yeah. What do you mean? Mondays were sucking worse and worse and worse. He's like, I'm done. Jim Burt hit him in the NFC Championship game and he knocked him out.

A helmet came right under his chin and just, I mean, dropped him like a bad habit. And he got hit hard a couple times. Oh my God. NFL in the 80s was just a hit show. I mean, you had people hitting other human beings that make guys like me go, yeah! I don't want the guy to get injured,

but I do wanna see him get hurt. I think it was Leonard Marshall, just absolutely. Oh my God! That hit was crazy when I think LT kinda got to Montana first and then he went to sidestep him, and he thought like, oh, this is gonna be the perfect pass and then the other guy just blew him up. Boom, yeah well Jim Burke just hit him.

Yeah I remember that. Fire hydrant just boom. But yeah, the point is is that I think every athlete on the planet will avail themselves of the things that give them an athletic advantage. I think that athletic advantages are athletic necessities. Because if the other guy or girl has it and I don't, well now they're playing

with an advantage that I'm not playing with, so there I got to do it. And hence everybody does the Fosbury flop and high jump. There is no Western roll. There is no scissor kick. They're done. They're the dodo bird. They ain't coming back either. Right? So I'm anticipating... Oh, we got the flop going here. That's Dick Fosbury. That's 1968 in the Olympics. And we'd never seen that before. Wow. What would it look like before then?

It was scissor kick. Scissor kick. Do scissor kick and do western roll. Western roll and scissor kick. Yeah, they would like go over forward, right? Yeah, they go over sideways. Yeah, yeah. And so you don't get the posterior chain to power it up as much.

And your center of mass has to go over the bar. You know, but this is the thing, man. It's like, if you're an athlete, it's in your best interest to not only pay attention to the methods of your sport. Like look at someone like a LeBron James, you know what I mean? LeBron, obviously he plays basketball, but he's doing so many other things.

Did you just, he has a rebounder, he has all these different things, and he's still scoring 30 plus in his sport. But that's the thing, it's like, if you only pay attention to what everybody else in your sport is doing, maybe the cap of your, how good you're gonna get is just how good everybody else is But if you can try to find these little these little things in other areas that can be good for you as a just Good for your movement good for the way that you perform in the way you recover

That can help you reach another level. What I also think is that I'm interested in doing things that have that, it radiates positive onto the other things. Yeah. Like you say. Yeah. And so if you can, if you understand fight and flight, that's the basics. It always comes down to that, fight and flight. Is this a scissor kick or a wester?

They're trying to throw him. You're trying to find it? Throw him over. There you go. Oh Jesus. So everything on him, every molecule of his mass has to go higher than the Fosbury. I do like the fact that he landed on his own feet.

That should be part of the- Now, without the crash mat, if you're jumping into sawdust or sand, you can't do the flop. You break your neck. Look at that. So the technology of the landing is what allowed these. You can't jump as high doing that. But that's a more functional jump if I'm out, you know,

trying to catch the rabbit. You know what I mean? Wow. The way these guys are doing is crazy. This crazy scissored kick thing. But the main point biomechanically is his center of mass has to go over the bar. If I don't even have to go over the bar to get a legal jump,

well, I'm going to get a higher score. Right. I think this is a good place, real quick, David. If you can just explain something, because you've mentioned elastic recoil, or connective tissue recoil multiple times. And I know there's a lot of people that when you say that, they're like, why is he saying connective tissue recoil?

What does that mean? So can you just explain that, because we saw a bunch of jumping. So if you go to the doctor, and he sits you down on the table, and he takes that little rubber triangle hammer, and he taps your patellar tendon, that is a connective tissue recoil.

So you had to use no muscular effort to have that thing go. Yeah. Right? You had an external factor working on you that elicited a connective tissue recoil that bing! Shot it powerfully without effort. Bing! And so when you look at somebody jogging, where there's no urgency, even if you're not that athletic, you're gonna bounce the hands.

Watch it. When you're driving your car next time, everybody out there listening, watch the person jogging, and you will see them doing a double down pulse with their arms, because this is bouncy. This doesn't bounce. And so nobody does that unless you went to a running class.

You know what I mean? Natural movement is perfect. It's not natural to move without balance. And then why are things like the propulsors or some of the other things you're mentioning, how is that improving one's connective tissue equal or ability to access that in terms of the way they move? It's the same exact way that you get calluses on your feet, you get bigger muscles from lifting, it's just putting the tissues through that form of stress. So you're getting the neurological timing.

Your body responds to audible That sets like you can unify everything if you have audible. Mm-hmm, right? If you audible you can hit you can hit you can hit so you training with a metronome very useful to do Right. So that Boom boom. So now your interaction with the ground is your Using the muscles more like a fluid inside that lets force just flow through it. Because it's a fluid, it's a liquid. So it's right. And when I have that, I don't have to elongate and contract muscle fibers as much. It's more just a pshh-vm, pshh-vm,

so you don't get sore the way that you do. Like, when I was little and I was really trying hard, I would like feel my quads would be like so sore the next day. Yeah. You know, cause I was doing a lot of effort, not on perfect probably, well certainly not. Can I, I want to mention just, just something interesting.

Cause I know that when it comes to jump rope, you're not the biggest fan of it. No, no, no. I'm a big fan of jump rope. Maybe not for developing power. Let me just put it out right. Oh yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. But you know, as I developed that, as I was working on that, the first time I started jump roping maybe, or like really working on it was maybe late 19 to 2019, but I really started doing it in 2020 when COVID happened. I had no other choice. So I noticed that as I was jumping,

my calves were getting super sore and it was like work to hop. Over the years though, my hop became more springy. Where now when I jump, it's like I'm able to pop off the ground without having it get me, it doesn't get me sore anywhere. There's less eccentric action over a course of time that it's, you're going too fast to get sore. It doesn't get me sore anywhere. There's less eccentric action over a course of time that you're going too fast to get sore. You know, if the force is just...

Bo Jackson versus Brian Bosworth, okay? Bo Jackson was born with the muscles. They're already fluid. He didn't have to do any contraction effort to have those muscles. Brian Bosworth had to live in the gym to have the muscles. So whoworth had to live in the gym to have the muscles. So who has more fluid muscles most likely?

The guy who's born with it. Because there's no restriction. It doesn't exist in him. It's probably the greatest display of athleticism that we're aware of. In the history that we know, I think you, Thorpe, Jim Thorpe was the best ever, you know,

he did better at everything than everybody else. Jim Brown. Jim Brown. Football, the cross track. Right, yeah, just a better man among men. You're right. Right, so that's, investing in the down properly produces up for free. And then you harness the free and you add effort

on top of the free and then you have the best performance possible. What about backwards? Like when you're running, you know, you're trying to run faster, just a lot of energy goes backwards too, like your arms go backwards, you know, as you're at the start and so on.

Yeah, well what I would say is that it's more useful to think, they do go forward and back, but it's more useful to think that they both go up and down. Yeah. Right, up and down. Because the ipsilateral side, everybody talks about the Serrape effect and all this, you know, oh, the right side and the left side.

Yeah, but also a left side and the left side. And that's the side hitting the ground. Why would I not avail myself of the opportunity to put an explanation point into Landload Launch as opposed to a comma, right, or a period, right? I want to have that investment and knowledge that I can, boom, I can send for us. I got funnel that stuff so fluid that the stimulus is gone before you could react to it. And I think that fascia, it's such a mysterious, amazing tissue that was ignored, you know, just discarded so we can see what it is for so long.

But I think it has its own mechanical intelligence where, you know, like if I, if I burn my finger, the signal just goes to my spine and it goes to my finger and says, pull it away. Yeah. Okay. So that, that type of reaction is no coception, right? Tony Robbins, you talked about you're gonna avoid pain more than you're gonna pursue pleasure, right? So he's talking about, okay, change your mindset to concern over failure to let's focus on winning, right? So that and the way that you move is,

it's the vessel for your mind and your soul. You're physical, you're inhabited. Where do you live? Well, you live right here, right now. That's where you live. You know, whatever your address is, well, yeah, you sleep there, you eat there, but you live here. And so, if you have incoherency in the body, because you're not moving most naturally, which is perfect, well now there's, you know, there's a monkey on your back now. It's carrying an extra backpack,

but there's nothing in it but rocks. So you're not free to release yourself from tension. It's a lot easier to give a speech to 5,000 people if I have a dais where I'm standing behind this thing and I can sort of root into it and I can be more confident if I don't have perfect balance than just standing up there with nothing. If I'm standing up there with nothing, it's harder to do.

And when you can truly have that perfect balance, it's true. You can do it and you're not getting tired. And you don't have to spend any energy in that process because it's all skill. And I say develop effortless power and then add the effort. If I jump to just effort, well, if it's not perfect, I'm not only creating a neurological glitch,

my tissues are not remodeling themselves to a force that is clean. I'm literally, tissues are being remodeled that are ultimately gonna be compensating for the imbalance with an uprooting restrictive tension that you could just do without if you have perfect balance. How have you made so many of these inventions, how have you made them come to be?

I mean, it seems like- Ah, duct tape, duct tape. Well, it does seem like, seem like a handful of them came and went, and then there's some that have been kind of a mainstay. Do you journal and then like, what's your, like what happens when you, you have an idea, like how do you make the idea actually happen for you

as the process, like a big part of it, just making something physical at your home, and then kind of going from there. Well, it literally is duct tape. You can create three dimensional structures, you can tie stuff together, duct tape is, you could make a car out of duct tape. You can make a tuxedo out of duct tape.

So duct tape. It would look great. And be comfortable. It would be novel, that's for sure, right? You're gonna be the only guy who has that one. That's true. You're either gonna look good or really bad. Yeah, so I would say,

Cut this one. You make something physical. Yeah, I make a viable embodiment through prototyping so I can put it to the test. And I don't want to wait for some CAD design and build a mold and do all that stuff. I want to see, okay, is this thing worth pouring more energy and effort into or is it not?

And the only way I can do that is test it. So you got to actualize it in some prototype form that is viable. So with the Bosu ball, balls, cut a stability ball in half and staple it and glue it and duct tape it onto a wooden disc. Alright, I got a viable prototype. Oh, I have proof of concept.

Okay, great, now we'll build molds. Now I'm gonna spend money. And then I get the product. Is some of this written down too? Do you have a journal where you have a lot of this? I know you film a lot of it. You take pictures and stuff. I think what I do, my process is one where

the chaos of creation for me is advantageous for some reason. My apartment just had the cleaning crew in yesterday. You know, spotless. Next week it'll be a mess. And it won't be clean until someone else does it. When I go to my ex-wife's house with my kids, which is pretty much every day, I clean the kitchen, I make sure the counter... Look this way to make sure the counter's clean and stuff, because it's not for me.

Like, I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? Like I woke up, I was laying in bed, like Chris probably seen it. How many empty popsicle wrappers and you know, like how many, I'm talking about like get a glad or a hefty bag and you go make it pretty full. I'm a complete slob.

You know, the thing I love about this is, I mean, okay, people are gonna hear this and be like, oh, but one thing is it seems that you are childish in the best way, in the way that it allows you to be creative and allows you to be kind of free. You know, cause the way you're talking about this, it's like, I don't mean to be sound disrespectful, it's kind of like a kid, but that's actually really good. Yeah, being messy can be good. Because for me, I talking about this, it's like, I don't mean to be sound disrespectful. It's kind of like a kid.

But that's actually really good. Yeah, being messy can be good. Because for me, I'm not comfortable in an environment where there's a bowl of green apples and nothing else. Like, what the fuck? I'm not comfortable in that space. If it's horizontal, it's being occupied with something. It's just not me.

But I think about this almost like, you see how many of these amazing things that you've been able to come with that are truly helping people move forward that, I mean, you don't see other people doing or thinking about. And it's like, I mean, even, I mean, going back to the idea of road flow, that whole practice is fucking crazy. Like, it's kind of wild that you came up with that whole thing, dude. Again, athletic inadequacy, How can I figure out? Because, you know, later this afternoon or tomorrow, we're going to roll around a little bit,

because my hip is good enough to do it, and I'm going to start downloading you, my man. Okay. So you're going to tap me. You make that sense. You're going to tap me. I'm going to start downloading you guys. You're going to tap me, and then I'm going to be downloading you,

and I'm going to get better, and it's going to be harder for you to tap me. Absolutely. And gonna be downloading you and I'm gonna get better and it's gonna be harder for you to tap me. Absolutely. And you had that experience when you came down and we did the push hands and you figured out that it's about moving my bones, baby. The bones, you think about- That was so wild.

You experienced it. He sent me a text message. He's like, David, this is unbelievable. I am tapping people in so many different ways and it's so much easier. It's cause the idea of finding that aspect in their skeletal structure, finding where they're easiest to move, leverage.

If you have 103 degree fever, your bones are just as strong as yesterday. Yeah. Okay? Everything else is not, but your bones are. Yeah. And what you want to do is have the capacity to literally be a bag of bones

and just use the skeleton and gravity and not even try not to use a single muscle. Can you try and explain this concept? Because even me, I've been talking about this, and I'm trying to explain to people what I'm feeling and what you're talking about here. Moving about the skeleton, moving somebody with Prosperous Skeleton Leverage.

And what you just said there, where it's not about using your muscle, you're totally right. It's not about like tightening up and trying to push. It's trying to find that center. It's a give and your muscle. You're totally right. It's not about like tightening up and trying to push. It's trying to find that center. It's a give and a take. Yeah. You're gonna give it to me, I'm gonna take it,

and then I'm gonna take you in. Like, if you're gonna come at me here, I'm gonna yield and surround. Yeah. Right, so, oh, come into the trap. Is there maybe some footage on your YouTube or? Of, of, uh. Of push hands?

I think we'll have to play some and get some. Yeah, we can get some. Push hands is something that I've never. I know, I recorded it a long time ago on my Instagram. Well, what's funny is the, um, push hands is something that I've never ever videoed. And I video everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's just the ultimate childlike enthusiasm for push hands for me. I was so, when I was a kid and when I was like high school and college, if we're out somewhere, the last thing I'm carrying is a camera. I don't have time to sit there and take a fricking picture. I'm gonna enjoy the moment. I don't have time to sit there and take a frickin' picture. I'm gonna enjoy the moment.

And now it's opposite. Now it's all this, right? But I had a lot of part of my life where I was too busy and too focused on something else to even wanna do this. But push hands, you're experiencing it, and a lot of what you can see, you can't even see. Because so much of what's happening is so subtle that from watching a video, you can't see it.

So it doesn't matter videoing it. But for locomotion, you have to video it. Yeah, people were confused when I posted it, because I did record you and Ensima. Oh, the first time. Yeah, the first time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you guys were kinda messing around.

It's a game with rules that allows a smaller guy who's the lesser man to win the game, right? I mean, if we're just fighting, well, the better guy's probably going to win, right? But the push hands makes you extremely comfortable in close. And so I study boxing, I study jujitsu, those are the things that I work on now. But I study boxing so that I'm never gonna box. Like I'm gonna spend as little time as possible here. I'm gonna either get far enough away

or I'm gonna get in your underpants, right? Wait, I... Cut! Cut! Nah, keep that in! That shit's staying! Well, these guys... I wake up one morning, I'm laying in the bathtub, which I do every morning, and I'm watching the phone, which I do every morning, and these guys come on with the power project, and they're

talking about drinking urine. And I'm just like, no, no, no. And then I keep watching and I'm like, wait a minute here. Like when you started talking about it, oh, well, if you take the wasabi and you touch it here, then you can drink more piss. I was just like, I sent both of you guys a text. I'm like, I was like, wait a minute here. Because Andrew was saying that he would throw up before he even took it.

And I think I'd be worse. We're really good at these like jokes. I was like, wait a minute here. Cause Andrew was saying that he would throw up before he even took it. And I think I'd be worse. We're really good at these jokes when people take it too seriously. It was the best joke. I sent you a message. And I sent you a message. And then you just laughed and you said, oh no.

I laughed and I think I sent you a report about it. Like, like, data. I sent you a study about it. Right, right, right. So, I mean. How many people would probably drink pee data. I sent you a study about it. So I mean, so many people probably drank pee after that. I don't think about that. You guys, a lot of the advice you give is worth doing. But there are a lot of people

that do think it's helpful, by the way. There are. On a serious note. Yeah, yeah, yeah, truly. But not me. But we don't drink it. Okay, here's how it works for me. If she don't wear one, I don't wear one. So you guys let me know when you start peeing in your mouth Then I'll think about it. But otherwise just inconceivable. Yeah, okay, even if I'm thirsty

Yeah, you know, I mean I don't want my piss fair. Yeah, just don't want it unless it makes me like Superman then fucking fill bottles. Get wasabi. Feels like wine tasting. You can clear your palate for the next sip. We did have a guest on the show who talked a lot about urine being in like a lot of skincare products. Super interesting. That's one of the things,

because you always pee in the shower. But do you pee in the tub? That's the fundamental question. Do you want to soak in your own piss? No, I don't think so. No, I don't. I actually get up, pee and then get back in because I can relax. And if I have to hold my pee then I can't relax.

So what'd you get? There's a video of push hands that I sent over to Ryan. Oh, perfect. I think it would help, it'll help like with the explainer that you were about to do. Yeah, so push hands is about investing in loss. You want to win subtly by being invisible so that the other person can never connect to your center.

And this is a more athletic version of push hands than the Tai Chi push hands. And you see how if I can capture his elbow and then I can take his skeleton and just always just be jamming it and changing whatever you do, I'm just gonna go with you, right? And then I got your bones.

And then what was great about this was you picked it up so fast. So hour one, hour two, the other guy's moving. And that, you see, when I met Mark, okay, I knew that this was the critical juncture where Mark Bell would be the conduit to everybody else. Andrew Huberman just bought my RMTS course. Hey, let's go. Okay, Andrew Huberman, he's getting it from Kelly Sturrett,

he's getting it from you, he's getting it from Mark. And real knows real. So as soon as he feels, and he talks about how his back hurts. And he says that he's not athletic, I bet he is, but he says he's not. And I just told him, I said, your expectation should be that you are stronger and better at everything.

That's your expectation. I think he's pretty athletic actually because he grew up like skateboarding and stuff. Yeah. But I listen to him pretty frequently. But he might have tightened up and stiffened up over the years. Well, his back hurts and he said, like I said, he's probably a great athlete,

but he says that he's not. I did show him the rope, but it took Kelly Sturet, it took a doctor. Well, no, but in SEMA showed him too, right? And again, it's something that if I don't comprehend the value, why would I invest? And especially if I just don't understand. Like, what the hell is he doing?

You associate- That's the main thing is understanding, yeah. Being able to understand it. Yeah, and real knows real. So Andrew Huberman is a force multiplier. You are a force multiplier, right? You're a force multiplier. Joe Rogan is the ultimate force multiplier, right? Because they're curious people who come at something blank slate without some agenda or preconceived thing that you already hate

it. Right? They're willing to just say, what if, right? And Andrew Huberman is a science guy. And so this is an opportunity now with a force multiplier to now talk about science of exercise and start asking questions. Like the narrative in certification for sports conditioning, training, coaching, you can't get a job in high school, college, or the pros in a lot of places without a certain certification. And the

certification is based upon the fact that they believe that the spine has to be rigidified and immobilized in neutral as the foundation of moving better. Core stability, the core doesn't generate power. Like, oh, it's the ball and socket joints and the core just transfers the power. And then, you know, as the,fer's spine passes through neutral at ball contact, wait a minute, watch the video. Why is this kind of Kermit the Froggy? Because it's my way of twisting the knife. I'm twisting the knife, okay?

I don't think there's ever been a product in the history of our industry that has been hated so intensely by the select, most educated community. And- You're about to say then the BOSU ball? What's that? You're about to say then the BOSU ball or- What about the BOSU? Oh, I thought you were mentioning the product

hated by the community. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so you were referring to the BOSU ball? Yeah, I'm referring to the BOSU ball. Okay. The BOSU ball. I mean, and guys who I really like and love, like Joe DeFranco, for example, he's like, oh yeah,

we all bashed the posu ball. It was the thing to do back then. And some people like Joe have evolved to understand there's value. And a lot of them haven't. And there's power in numbers, right? You said that this morning, or somebody did. There's power in numbers.

So the science is core up. You see how corrupt? You see? It's core up shin. We want it to go down the shin and then come up. We don't want it to come up the shin until it's gone down. You'll hear a lot of people, it comes from the ground up, comes from the ground up.

Yeah, but first it goes down to the ground. Right? Yeah. Martial arts, where the head goes, the body goes. Yeah. I mean, these are just fundamental principles. Move without moving so that your opponent can't interpret the change, but I changed. And if you don't interpret the change, I'm gonna kick your ass.

It's just that simple, right? So I'm always insisting upon real, right? I train in the Six Blades, Rubiero, Jiu Jitsu family, that's my lineage of it. And I train with the striped up black belts, private. So I never experience a bad rep. And I train with the striped up black belts private. So I never experience a bad rep. I'm working with a guy who is cooperatively competing with me and I'm getting to reference perfect

or I'm at least very good. Yeah. Right? And so now you have a chance at doing it. But if you never even get on first base, how are you gonna score a run? So that's, the rope flow is something that, I don't know at what point you recognize the value. I think the more in tune you are with your body,

the faster you'll recognize the value of it. Yeah. But once I recognize the value, you just want to get four patterns to muscle memory and that's all you need to do. It's a rite of passage. So people want to absolute black and white things. So it's like, oh why would I learn that? Well just learn it and then move on to the next thing. And the reason why I'm creating the game-changing next evolution of the tools, the training tools,

is because that's, I test it, I'm athletic enough to know what's real, and so it's real, and then you make a discovery, and now you're at a different vantage point where you see another opportunity that's not visible until you've gotten to that point. And I'm going inside, I'm not going outside, I'm going inside deeper. The internal is the in turn all.

If the hub of the wheel, if I'm inside it, infinitesimally infinite, then I move that much and the wheel goes that much. If I'm not concentrated in the center, I go there and the outside goes there. So you go deep, now you got new vantage points and I've come up here and tomorrow, later today, whenever we work together, I'm going to be able to share insights with you that are much more profound than anything I've ever shared with you, other than the principle that you have to be balanced. Head over foot is perfectly balanced locomotion. That's what it is. And it's derivative off of that. But if you're not in a position where you could freeze the frame and have that integrity,

then you're not balanced. If I want to go forward and my head is inside of my foot, well, guess what? The force, some of the force is going that way. All right, what I want to go there. Okay. So straight lines, straight lines. Yeah, straight lines are to help us understand the calculus of the infinite.

It's a construct, right? And it's efficient. There's nothing more efficient than a box. If I need to send as many, you know, slingshots from here to there, well, it's called a container, right? And any other shape is less efficient for packing stuff in. Oh, pretty important. But it's sort of artificial in the sense that where in nature do you have a box? All right, so you want both, right? Use the constructs to make the reality better. But it's still a construct. And if I take three planes of motion,

I start talking about all these exercises. I can't help it. This exercise is for, this is going to train the transverse plane, this is going to train the sagittal plane. Well guess what? All three planes are happening all the time. So you're actually training all three. So there is no transverse exercise. There's always involved something else. Makes it very easy to understand. But I mean, I mean. But no, but it leads you,

if I am teaching you to not pin the tail on the donkey, but to just keep walking over there, if you're telling me that I gotta rigidify my spine in neutral, and that's my athletic foundation, which it is, that's the narrative, science. And the thing about science is it's the trump card. It's the ace in the hole. You tell me something, I say, well, where's the science?

Where's the science? And in peer review, you're not even allowed to consider anecdote. Right? If you're going to do a peer review research, first thing you have to do is you have to do all the research on all the prior research that is science. And that's all that I'm allowed to look at. you have to do is you have to do all the research on all the prior research that is science. And that's all that I'm allowed to look at. And then I have to run my little 19 soccer

players, you know, doing this on a dyna disc and now they're weaker and okay, both of us suck. Yay. And therefore the Paloff press is, you know, what we all have to do. And that's what happened. Yeah. And Andrew Huberman, who is a scientist, who's not in the mix, he's out of the fray. He doesn't have a dog in the fight about what's the best way to do a push-up. He doesn't care, he just wants the best way to do a push-up. You know, an interesting thing about what you're saying, Gere, is like, I think like, if outside of anyone

who is someone who is focused on research, I mean, it's probably beneficial just to look at the crazy capacities that the human body has. Like you have people that are, there's this guy's name on Instagram is like bone ticks art or something. He's, he has some levels of hypermobility, but he's just able to like move his body in all these wild ways. It's quite muscular too. But the thing is, is you wonder when you see people doing these wild things, how can somebody study this? And how can we have this idea that like, some of these things that we're doing are going to allow us to achieve

just these wild capacities that these human beings have? They haven't been studied. Like, they're not going to be studied. And I'm not saying that anyone should try to seek being able to do this. But what I am saying is like, if you wanted to... How are you going to tap that? You could take his arm and put it over there and he doesn't care. Again, I'm not saying that people should seek this ability,

but when somebody sees something like this, there's no study that's going to explain any aspect of building this type of building. And the studies are administered by staff assistants who don't know what they're doing with people who are getting paid 15 bucks to be there. So I mean, you're not studying the best. So it's like, that's what I'm saying. When we look at these things, maybe it is a good idea. If I were to look at him and be like,

oh, how does he do that? I would actually message the person and see what are some things that you do? Maybe he'll say, I've been able to do this since I was a baby, but maybe there will be some actual things that he applies that I could apply and get some semblance of that skill from his anecdote.

What we are as trainers is we are guitar players who teach others how to play the guitar. Think of orchestrating mathematically precise musical medleys of movement. And that's what we want, right? That's what we want. And then we can express our strength better. Stronger is better. If you're gonna tell me that a barbell is not natural and we shouldn't use it, well then I'm gonna say, well that's stupid. Because a barbell is not natural and we shouldn't use it. Well then I'm gonna say, well, that's stupid. Because a barbell is incredibly useful.

All right, what do you do with it is the question, right? So, Chris taught me this, you don't bash tools. The carpenter who can't, the carpenter who blames it on the tools, well, you're not a good carpenter. Because you're the carpenter who blames it on the tools? Well, you're not a good carpenter because you're the carpenter. The tool is the thing that you're allowing. That's your brush. And the thing you're making is the canvas.

You're painting a beautiful picture. And that's the science. I think people are afraid of being ostracized, they're afraid of being ridiculed, and I think that that fear is more than the fear of death, it's more than the fear of just about anything, is not being accepted in the social class that you aspire to be accepted in, right? So there's a lot of people that are terrified, and one of the best short-term cures for being terrified

is to just ignore the thing that's terrifying you, right? It's just, okay, don't think about it. And then, you know, you have your story that trumps everybody because you have to have the science, and I would agree, you have to have the science, but the would agree, you have to have the science, but the art is what is out in front of the science. For years on this podcast, we've been talking about the benefit of barefoot shoes,

and these are the shoes I used to use back in like 2017, 2018, my old Metcons. They are flat, but they're not very wide, and they're very stiff and they don't move. That's why we've been partnering with them. We've been using Vivo Barefoot shoes. These are the Modest Strength shoe because not only are they wide,

I have wide ass feet and so do we here on the podcast, especially as our feet have gotten stronger, but they're flexible. So when you're doing certain movements, like let's say you're doing jumping or you're doing split squats, or you're doing movements where your toes need to flex and move,

your feet are able to do that and perform in this shoe, allowing them to get stronger over time. And obviously they're flexible. So your foot's allowed to be a foot. And when you're doing all types of exercise, your feet will get stronger, improving your ability to move. Andrew, how can they get the hands on these? Yes.

Head to vivobarefoot.com slash power project and enter the code that you see on screen to save 20% off your entire order. Again, that's at vivobarefoot.com slash power project. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but I sent this video over to Ryan because, and we had this guy on our show, his name's Mike Stella. He's a great trainer. He's a body worker. He's a PT.

Does a lot of good body work on people. But let's just play the video. And I think this kind of falls in line with what we're mentioning here. Band of BOSU balls and here's why. It's fucking stupid. I see trainers and coaches, and this drives me crazy, which is they'll put an athlete on an unstable surface

like a BOSU ball and then add external weight and have them squat on. I cannot think of a bigger freaking waste of time because they just don't go together. Either you're gonna work on a balance exercise or you're gonna work on a strength exercise. If you want to squat better, you wanna be able to push force into the ground

and get an equal and opposite force in return and be effective and efficient in moving that weight. If you wanna balance better, typically you're balancing on flat surfaces. So maybe you wanna do some perturbation training, which is your athlete jumps and you give them a little push and teach them in a controlled setting how to land in uncontrolled situations.

That's going to translate to injury prevention and rehabilitation. So much better than these circus acts of putting themselves on a BOSU ball. Circus act is an insult. Juggle chainsaws. G-F-Y. I want to mention Mike is awesome. Okay great.

But. Mike Isretel. I'm gonna say something. I watch Mike Isretel. And that guy is psychotic when he's on Royds. A tad. No, all in. Okay?

I would have sublime pleasure from making it medically impossible to fix what I just did to the guy who made a negative comment on Instagram. This is a quotation from Mike Godson. Of course it is. No, of course it is. Now, now. But I understand it.

Okay. I understand it because what it is in SEMA, it's righteous indignation. Okay. What he has right there is righteous indignation. I can't stand it. It drives me crazy when I see someone on a bosu ball. Oh, really? Well, put it dome side up and then engage it with power. So you're committing more than body weight to it. And you will fortify the lower extremity in ways that are not possible any other way, Mike. Because I see that shit, and it's not him,

it's the 100,000 people who are listening to him. That's what it is. It's not the thing, the thing is, is like I haven't commented on that post, like it's not the tool, it's the person prescribing what to do on the tool. Correct. So when you see someone put it dome side down

and they put an athlete on top of it with plates, it's not the best, and that's what's proliferated when it comes to the idea of the tool. That is why hammers suck. I wonder, I wonder. Hammers suck because they break windows when you wash. When you think about in the gym, in the gym with weights,

what has been scientifically proven to actually transfer directly into sport that we know for sure. I don't think there's anything that we know for sure. We know, like anecdotally. Inputs and outputs. Yeah, from an anecdotal standpoint, we can all say, I think it's helpful to lift some weights for most sports.

I think it's a good idea. I think it's essential. Okay. Okay. But like we don't have, I don't know if there's like scientific. No, what you have is you have the science of like what's happening to the tissues and why does it, you know, why does hypertrophy happen? And there's a lot of study on that stuff.

That's the physiology, it's not the biomechanics. We do have a history of a lot of amazing athletic feats being accomplished long before there was a weight room. So that's interesting in and of itself. Yes, yes. So I don't know how. If the survival of your children is contingent upon your capacity to bring home the bacon,

and you can't order it, all right? Local motion, swing and throw and catching and carrying are more important than the food because that's the only way you're going to get the food. So you naturally rise to the challenge to overcome it if you're a winner. Okay? If everybody had the heart and the mind as Mark Bell, there would be no losers. And that's a true statement. Because you don't come at it with an agenda to preserve your own emotional crisis that it might not be right.

What he's doing is he's fortifying his beliefs, taking fucking shit pot shots at my wonderful product, that now somebody's going to have a non-contact injury under lower extremity because their foot is so weak compared to the kid in the 1970s, but his body's five times stronger. All right, what happens when you got all that dynamite and the foot ain't smart and the foot ain't strong? Well, it's probably gonna be a weak link Probably I'm just saying, you know

Why single out the BOSU ball because we can single out the curl we could single out a lot of things because the boat can't prove Works on a football field when I first invented the BOSU ball. Okay, I'm interested in selling BOSU balls I knew that I had to validate at the top. So the US Ski Team, the Yankees, the Lakers, the Devils, and the Rams were the respective champions of teams. Those were my first five sales because I had to validate it, right?

And I came in at the right time. Stability balls were at their peak and the BOSU ball was a stability ball that is stable. And if it just did platform side up, we wouldn't be talking about it and he wouldn't be making fun of it. Right? It's, there is so much utility from that surface. I said my third, you know, mission is surfaces that apply to all things. I want to sell refrigerator size

printers, garage size printers, where I send you pallets of substrates and you buy zeros and ones for me to print your toothbrush and it's a better toothbrush than you can find anywhere else. And I don't got to ship it all over the world like Jeff Bezos. We're going to eliminate so much of the transit because we're going to ship you pallets of plastic and metal and wood and then your 3D printer's going to build you the thing. And someone else will develop that technology but I'm going to do the best zeros and ones. Bingo. Jeff, watch out. Phil, shoe dog, Nike, watch out. Ha ha ha!

Ha ha! When's your new vest come out? Oh, the vest! We will have it before Chinese New Year, which is at the end of January. So, we're going to have the vest. We already have the cartridges. I brought a vest.

Marty, my business partner, doesn't want me to show it. Remember we had that conversation? He's like, look, stop showing it if we can't sell it. I'm like, but Marty, I got to beat the drum. He's like, don't. And in a sense, I don't care because I know it's inevitable that that's ubiquitous. Because that is the first sprint-specific plyometric training tool ever. Four patents. Because there's zero learning curve and you get off the ground faster with added resistance. I had King Dak, Darius Clark, one of the best jumpers in the world. He was down in the lab for like three days, okay?

I put the vest on him and there was a mark on the floor and the camera didn't change. And I had him do pogo jumps with the vest, had him do pogo jumps without the vest. We analyze it in slow motion. We count the frames that he's on the ground. He's on the ground the same amount of time, even possibly a little bit

less on those pogo jumps with 15 pounds of dead weight that is sprung so it's alive. There's never been that. If you take a high level sprinter and you put a weight vest on like this one here, they will be worse. They will literally be worse at what they're great at if they put non-contractile mass on the body that has inertia. What I've done with the Propulse cartridges is I have removed the inertia so that all of that inertial force is concentrated into one moment that's gonna fit inside of less than a tenth of a second. Boom! And I have more force that spikes so fast and disappears

that all your body does is go, bing, bing, bing. You can pogo jump longer with the vest than without the vest. So quick question, because now somebody's wondering, okay, cool, well what's this going to help me do if I'm a jumper or a sprinter? That's what... Okay, it's going to help you jump higher, it's going to help you sprint faster. Right? You interested in that?

With and without it. With it, so that without it you're better. And Chris Duffin, he was wearing a prototype vest and he was using up ulcers in the hands and he ran up the hill faster with it than without it. That's, if you told me that, I'd be like, wait a minute here, I gotta see that. How you carrying weight that is less burden than the return you get from it. It's the feet.

And I also want to mention, because I mean, not even about the feet, I'm just going to talk about the propulsors, but the feedback, the audible feedback, and then the actual feedback that you feel. The kinetic. It's like, you know, like when I have these on, when you... Yes! It gives you that ability to pulse. In sema.

In sema. The Maasai, okay? The Maasai who jump and they jump vertical. They hold the spear vertical and they jump. Americans and athletes use the arms to pulse, right? If I need to get up fast, I pulse. If I need to get up high, then I swing, right? More time gives me more time to jump and less time gives me faster on the ground. And this is a tool that spikes the force. A 10 ounce cartridge could spike as much as nine pounds for a millisecond, a microsecond.

So you're taking 10 ounces, it's gonna spike the nine pounds. Let's just say a pound is 10 pounds for a fraction of a second, and I'm putting 20 of them in. So these springs potentially are giving you a little bit of lift off the ground. Not potentially, it's actual, kinetically it is giving you a boop. What about the concern of the potential

of like hitting the ground harder? Ah, that's the best part. Slime, you guys are familiar with slime that the kids had. You take Elmer's glue and you put baking soda in or whatever you do. Okay. And then it turns into this sort of like quicksand kind of like silly putty.

Like Nickelodeon slime, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. So if you take the slime, right, and you press into it, you're gonna go right through it nice and slow and you're gonna hit down to the table. Yeah. But if I have that slime and I hit it, I bounce off. Mm-hmm. That's your fascia. Fascia has its own intelligence that doesn't have to route to the spine. It is kinetic, it is here, it happens, the force comes in and before it even has time to send the signal

and back, the fascia took care of it. And the fascia is fascinating. Chinese medicine, right? They have organs, and they have one organ that's called the triple energizer, the triple warmer, or the sanjiao. And it's an imaginary Organ organ that doesn't exist in the way we have lung right large intestine stomach Right. We have spleen with heart. We have all these organs that are real. Mm-hmm

Well, what the hell is a Sanjao? What the hell is a triple warmer? Well, it turns out that it is The the whole thing. It's the fascia. The triple energizer is the fascia because that's what connects, it separates and it surrounds everything. Every little muscle cell has a little piece of fascia that's holding it. And so, and it's the ring finger, this Sanjao meridian, comes out the pericardium, and then it comes back in through the fourth finger. The fourth finger's the only one that you can't flip. So if I do that with my finger, right,

all the other fingers will go up. The fourth finger won't go up. So when I have the intent to lift the fourth finger up, what happens is it starts to funnel me to center. And if I did it like this, it goes like that. So if it feels insane, but just do like, isolate the fourth. Now lift the fourth as high as you can, right? and now go with that and then let it keep going and it's a spiral in the in the center of your palm That is funneling the force to proximal. Gotcha. Okay, right

So now I could take you right before you know the trick and I can now guide all your force to my center And then I'm just gonna dip it and then give it. I think this brings us into a, I know this podcast is going for a bit, but this brings us into the topic of the core fist and the different, these different. And you know, after you showed that to me, I've been working the heavy bag a lot

because I just wanna know how it has, it's gonna have an effect on like my body bones, etc But before when I'd be punching that bag, I'd be injuring my fist here and there right core fist what's going on there because I punch with a core fist and I Could I could punch hard shit man? Yeah It's much safer for you and much more dangerous for him. Yeah. yeah. So what was the question? What like, just what's going on with that core fist? What's being created within the hands? So basically what you're doing with the core fist

is you are creating a skeletal circuit with triangles. So triangulation. So if I ball up a fist, whether you're really mad or really happy, you're gonna naturally go here. If they score a touchdown, you go here, and if you're pissed off, you go here. Right?

Now, the problem with this position is this is designed to hold something, okay? That's why I want to have grip, is to do something. But if it doesn't have anything, it goes into itself and it's a zero-sum game because that joint doesn't have integrity. You can't create force transmission longitudinally through the skeleton. Yeah. And so it cuts it off.

Now, as soon as I make a triangle, now all of the flexion feeds the extension. And it flips the script on distal tension. Because if I do Cor core fist, the internal version right, not the core fast but the core fist here, now I've created a skeletal circuit that will radiate through the body and the harder that I squeeze the core fist, the more fluid the shoulder goes and the stability, you don't need to wrap your wrists if you got that core fist. Yeah. You don't need to wrap your wrists if you got that core fist. You don't need to.

It's actually pretty crazy in application. I know people are gonna listen to this and be like, what the fuck, but application. Anytime you talk about martial arts, the peanut gallery is gonna go nuts. I think it's important when you do talk about something new, I think that people should be skeptical. But I would say give it a try.

Well listen. You know, always give it a try. Listen, or don't and come to the party late. I don't care because I care so much. Yeah, challenge it against your current beliefs and if you're like, yeah, I don't think it's for me, then maybe you skip it. To be a benevolent narcissist, okay, that's my diagnosis.

I cannot be happy unless I am the best, okay? That was the diagnosis that you were talking about earlier. Yeah, yeah. I jump around, you know, again, I haven't slept in four days, but anyway. Yeah, I mean, my brain is like in a fog, but yeah. I mean, it's- That's a tough diagnosis,

because like the best and the best at what? For what? There you go, yes, well there you go. How do we define it? What are we talking about? The best at everything all the time? No, no, well yes, but no, because that would be great. Yeah, if I could be the best at everything, I'll take it.

Right. But I'm not. Okay, so now, and I'm also a guy who, of all the things that exist in the world, I'm not the best. There's always someone better. Oh yeah. But you got to carve out your own lane that you could be the best at. And because I'm such a locomotive geek, like I probably am the biggest locomotion geek

in the planet, probably ever in the species. I think about it, I care about it, I study it, I practice it, I love it. Like if you didn't have to make money, I would spend all my day training. You know what I mean? So I get, and the BOSU ball gave me the ability to do my passion and then carve out a lane

where I'm the best. And I set my sights on it. As soon as I invented the BOSU ball. I was, you know, relate to gait was always my intent and, you know, direction of focus. Okay, but now what? Okay, well you got to figure it out now. And through testing it and having the time to do it and doing the reps, I could verify. time to do it and doing the reps, I could verify. Scientifically, meaning I have a measurable improvement that I can objectively measure.

Like I ran from here to there faster. There's my fucking science. You understand? Faster is fucking faster. Now figure out the science. Don't tell me the science, you know, and then try to, you know, if it's not pointed at X on the map, perfect balance, well then try to, you know, if it's not pointed at X on the map, perfect

balance, well then it's not perfect. And if you're not training perfect, what's the odds you're going to play perfect? Right? And so it's, it's the burning desire to help other people. If you harmed a family member of mine, you have a dangerous enemy who is hell bent on revenge. Okay? If you try to hurt my mom, you try to hurt my daughter, oh boy, that's it. You have an enemy who just like, I would jump in front of the bullet

and I would donate the liver if it would preserve the life of my children. And there's a tremendous power in loving someone else more than yourself in terms of just, you know, the ability to carry on and keep living. Right? And what I figured out was if I were a great athlete, you would sign non-disclosure agreements and you would not share a single thing that I'm teaching because I'm gonna exploit it from my own advantage if I'm great. I'm not great.

So my better move is to give it away to the greats to inspire those who aren't as great and I get everyone. So I plan to help however many billion people on this planet, I'm gonna help every single one of them to make every step stronger. I love that. And I am at the point now where we've reached a critical mass.

If I got hit by a bus, this thing still goes. You're gonna keep doing Road Flow. 100%. Chris is gonna keep training and teaching, right? So I get to have such a win that I get to help billions of people, even after I'm gone, with a profound confidence that cannot be purchased and it can't be faked. It's physical, baby.

10 pushups is 10 pushups. I don't care what you said. Let's see how many you do, right? Strength is never weak this week, this never strength. Catch you guys later. Wait, wait, wait, just last, last little bit.

He's an, But wait, there's more. Yeah, yeah. But wait, there's more. We can't do this all day, but we can. So he's an eventer, and I'm an eventer, and I wanted to bring this, because it's fun, I have a prototype process.

Bring up a cell step. So the patented pitch on this is the patented pitch on this just reduced so it fits in the shoe. I'm so excited for this. And you stood on it and you stood on one leg and which one was easier? Yeah, I felt it a little bit, yeah.

With? Mm-hmm. Okay easier? Yeah, I felt it a little bit, yeah. With? Okay, Chris Chamberlain felt it with, and then he wore him around for four hours, and then he took off his shoes, and he walked to the bathroom, and he said, I'm walking better than I was four hours ago, because it's neural engrams, it's the code, it's the sequence, it's the connections.

And so this here, and I just want to show it real quick, this is the first prototype. That's the first prototype, right there. Okay? You really wore through those, Jim. Yes I did. This is the second prototype, okay? It's all based on this here.

We won't go into it now, but these lines of intent, the one tension, this is what we're gonna be producing. So you'll be able to cut it to your size. And now all we're doing now is figuring out the material because this prototype right here, when it came in and I put it on, I said, this is it. But the problem is it's not resilient enough, so it starts to flatten out with your body weight, so the effect starts to go away.

But I got a prototype coming in the next, you know, two, three weeks. If that material is correct, we're in business. And again, this is if you want to help everyone, you want to get into footwear, right? This is the least expensive way to get into footwear. If you want to make sneakers, you need $20 million. If you want to do this, you don't even need $20,000. You see what I mean? And this fits in a Nike, it fits in a Adidas, it fits in a Vivo, it fits in a Zero, it fits in shoes. So if you're using this, then Nike is suddenly powered by Wech method. And what I'm gonna do now, 2025,

in great thank you and appreciation to you guys, because you are the force multiplier, who at that critical stage led to a connection point to so many other people. Six degrees of separation. And this puppy right here will help anybody who uses it, and that will give me the cash flow to go much faster and to go much further. I want to walk in Monday morning and I want to say,

guys, here's the idea. Four in the afternoon, I want four prototypes printed. And then they give me the iPhone and I drop it in the fish bowl and I see a bubble and I say, get back to work. Before we end, before we end, I have a question for both of you. Thanks. Now you guys are both inventors, right? Inventors of multiple successful products. If you had one piece of advice or maybe two, one to two, because I don't want to go on much longer, but one to two pieces of advice for someone who has

like a sick idea, a sick invention, and they know they can make it happen. What would that advice be? I would keep it really simple. Just make it. Yeah, what? Fucking make it. Put it out there in the universe.

Make it. Talk to other people about it. Show it to other people. Try to it. Put it out there in the universe. Make it, talk to other people about it, show it to other people. Try to even see if it, hey, would you buy this? You think you'd buy this for 20 bucks, 30 bucks? All that kind of stuff. Get it out there as quick as you can. You have to do that market research.

What I would say is that there's three trains that have to leave the station, and that defines the sequence with which you'd do it if you're the little guy, all right? The first one is the intellectual property. Right? You need to get a patent pending. Right? A patent pending is invisible for 18 months. Nobody knows what you got because it hasn't been examined and published yet. So if you have patent pending on and Nike

likes it, well then they're rolling the dice if they want to knock you off or not. Right? And they won't, because it's the unknown. What if they have a patent and they can sue us? And we did it willfully, so it's three times damage. All right, so you don't share the idea until you have secured the intellectual property. Then you manufacture and you just make it, get it out there, do you like it,

what would you wanna change, blah, blah, blah. And that whole process is the early marketing. So intellectual property, manufacturer, marketing. You could use something like LegalZoom. Yes. For trademarks and stuff. Yes, exactly. It doesn't have to be complicated,

you don't need some crazy lawyer. Right. All of that might help. Well, it certainly will help. Trust me. The better your lawyer, the better you are. You know what, my lawyer is seven. You don't have to start there.

My lawyer is 800 bucks an hour. And my business partner, when I'm on the phone with him, writing a patent, like for the Pulsars, it's like the most important thing to me. I'm on the phone and he's doing the math, like five minutes equals this many dollars. And I look at him and I go, okay, hey Jeff, it was the guy Jeff at the time,

and I'm like, Jeff, first the earth cooled, then the dinosaurs walked through it. I'm like, Marty, I'm gonna spend every cent necessary. I can imagine the vein in Marty's head. Yeah, so, you have to get in the game, and that's what you're saying, because a lot of people are not gonna put, they're gonna put their toe in the water,

but they're not gonna jump in. So you're not gonna go anywhere, right? And a mistake would be to have the most amazing thing that could have been proprietary and you gave it away. Well then you're not gonna benefit, you get the credit but who cares. I've had people show me some stupid stuff though. So I say make it, I really think it's important to make it.

Yeah but that's a non-disclosure agreement. And maybe even keep it kind of private and close to you. But it's okay to show us a couple people, I think. Yes, but they signed a non-disclosure agreement that you downloaded off of the legal zone. Because now you have at least some recourse if the trust is betrayed. And it happens all the time.

All the time. But one of the things you can do if you have invented something is you can call me, right, and book a consult. And I'll tell you, look, how much have you put in on this? Well, if it were me, I wouldn't put another cent in. But Alden Mills, who created the perfect push-up, I met him way back in 2005, and he was exhibiting, you know, fully funded, so this was a big booth. He had a thing called the body rev, which is two handles that, you know, did that.

Don't we have one of those here? How much do you have? You probably have the other one. I've seen some like that. Yeah, so anyway, what you do is you do this, right? He showed it to me and I was like, look, dude, I don't even see this. Like this, really? Like how long are people gonna do that? Like really? My honest advice brother is, you know,

go back to the drawing board and figure out another way to do it because you're just gonna lose money on this thing. He goes back to the drawing board, he creates perfect push-ups. I had two of those, man. His boat is probably bigger than the cruise ship I was on. Cause perfect push-up hits such a big home run, right?

So, and then Randy Hetrick from TRX, he called me up in 2003 and he's like, look, I'd like to come meet you. I got this new invention thing that I'm doing. He came down and the advice I gave to him was I said, listen, because I didn't see straps. Like, I didn't think that that would blow up. But it did.

And the whole concept of leaning back on straps and stuff, you regulate the weight. What I told Randy is I said, Randy, with your product, don't go to retail until you've done it in commercial. Because your price point and the newness of this, the consumer, you spend all the money in the world and you'll fill up Costco and ain't going to sell them

and then you buying them back and then you're out of business. Right? So, and he then proceeded to have a meeting with Costco, and okay, okay, okay, and then he's like, well actually, we need to develop this more to create the demand so that we can sell it to the person who doesn't care

and who's probably not even gonna use it, right? So, I've had a lot of experience on the patent front and the, you know, the gorilla marketing. What you want is you want editorial advertisement. You want earned media. And why the Bosu ball is so successful is because it's a generic half ball that if I'm fit magazine, I gotta frame the shot.

Ah, you know, I need a bench, I need some dumbbells, throw a Bosu ball in there. Now it's a fitness shot. So it's become a proprietary generic. And literally what I did was I carved out a whole new lane of surface training. That surface didn't exist and now it does. And I bounced on that thing all the way to the point

where, three stage master plan, and I'm going to help so many people so profoundly that I get to be the best. But, and you want me to be the best, you need me to be the best. You want me on that wall. And Weg Method begins on the wall. First thing we do is teach you to differentiate

longest and strongest, find points to pounce right now ready without getting tired, get perfect on both sides, and just play catch. Just play catch, and rope flow will tie it all together. Strength is never a weakness, weakness is never a strength. Check in next time, boom! Catch you guys later, bye.