Mark Bell's Power Project - Should Women Be In Positions of Power? - Jubilee Reaction

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Is it natural not be attracted to a very attractive woman to you? I don't think so. Yeah, those 34DD tits are disgusting. So gross. Oh my god. What type of s*** makes you guys cry? Someone reaches a cool accomplishment that you know they've been working hard for. It's hard not to get choked up about it. You progressively overload your p*** intake.
Starting point is 00:00:22 This guy's really dope. A lot of the answers that he's been giving, like first off, that answer took a lot of balls. I've heard you say multiple times that your dad was your hero. Yeah, if I could be the same dad to my kids as he was to me, then I think mission accomplished. That'd be pretty cool. PNC,
Starting point is 00:00:38 what were you guys talking about? Yeah, we were just asked a question. PNC, short for Post Nut Clarity. We were just asked from Owen. Actually, Owen, short for post nut clarity. We were just asked from Owen. Actually, Owen, real quick, come over here and ask that question. Because I want the phrasing of the question fully done. I'm going to get his microphone turned on. You're good to go now?
Starting point is 00:00:56 I'm good? All right, you're good. I'm back in the studio. I guess the question was, so after you finish things yeah okay yeah is getting sure is getting post-nut clarity a red flag or is not getting it a green flag and andrew had some great insight yeah no i was just saying that you always get post-nut clarity and depending on whether it's good or bad like it doesn't matter you're gonna get post-nut clarity but if you get it whether it's good or bad, like it doesn't matter. You're going to get post-nut clarity, but if you get it where it's bad, we'll say, well, we'll use the word regret.
Starting point is 00:01:29 You're just like, oh shit, post-nut clarity. I shouldn't have did that. I did it again. Damn it. Or you don't have regret and you're just like, ha, I made the right decision. But you will still get post-nut clarity regardless of quote good or bad,
Starting point is 00:01:43 you know, emotions that happen yeah like i definitely shouldn't have jerked off to that yeah like that that was gross i don't want to build a kink with this this isn't good for me i got issues that's the last time i do that okay putting the phone away i know i said that last time but this time I mean it. No, that was really disgusting. Yeah. This kind of, okay, I don't know if I'm staying on here for however long, but this kind of got it. It reminded me of something that Hamza said
Starting point is 00:02:15 a while ago. It's, you progressively overload your porn intake. So, yes. So, you know how... Especially the intensity. Yeah. yeah yeah because i don't know if you guys remember custom and accommodates to the resistance because i don't know if you remember when you first started watching it you look up when you're like 14 or whatever you're like boobies with bra or something and then you look up like
Starting point is 00:02:45 boobs clean or something like that and then eventually it's just like you're... Stuck in a dryer. Yeah. Stuck in a dryer 20 tabs open. Right. Three of them being hentai with tentacles or whatever. Right. It's like how the fuck did I get here? I gotta say something that's stuck in the dryer shit was kind of hot.
Starting point is 00:03:02 It's problematic. My hand's stuck in the sink. Help, help. Oh, those are fake? I thought those young women were really stuck. I did too. I thought this was a Casey Neistat vlog. What's happening?
Starting point is 00:03:19 That was a good question, Owen. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. That's Owen. Owen. He helps us do a bunch of our video editing and stuff. He's been with us for years. He doesn't help us. He actually edits it.
Starting point is 00:03:30 He edits, yeah. He does it. He does it. I do everything. Yeah, he does everything. Later, bro. So we got part do? Part dos of Alpha vs Beta. Also, guys, I think we already mentioned this, but answer the questions
Starting point is 00:03:45 to these prompts and then we're going to choose somebody to give some goodies to. So make sure your questions are in the comments. But you got to answer all of them.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Can't miss one. And you need to be in the Discord so we can get in contact with you if you win. Discord. I am great at sex. Come on, man. Who the fuck's going to say no?
Starting point is 00:04:03 What initially hits you guys before we hear what they're gonna say well there's two two two quick things and the first one that i thought of was like well who's gonna say no no one's gonna say no but at the same time like it does feel weird to be like dude i fuck like i'm digging in those guts and like it's like well i'm a sex god yeah that's kind of weird too actually now that i think I think about it. No one's going to say they're not good. Yeah. I would say everything's a skill set, right?
Starting point is 00:04:28 So like how much studying you've been doing, how much practicing you've been doing. Yeah. Communication. And then if it's like, and see, well, you understand this. If you have your one training partner in jujitsu that knows all your stuff, how good are you until you go and test it out on someone else right you go and you have a new training partner and like none of your moves work on them they're passing everything they're super bored exactly yeah it's like shit i need to get better yeah you try something on one person and it works great and you try it on another person like what are you doing uh-huh
Starting point is 00:04:59 why why are you spending so much time trying to do that whatever whatever it is you're doing it ain't working exactly like fuck i gotta switch up my game plan. I don't see what the fuck they're saying. Prove it. I'm gonna write it right now. Bro, this was a chance to redeem yourself. No, no, I know, but it's just... Actually, I'm gonna go back.
Starting point is 00:05:18 He leaves. With my partner, my wife, I'm able to not only connect physically, but also emotionally. You know, and I think that's the biggest trick I've learned. Not trick, but the thing I've learned about my years of being with my partner. You have to sort of like, you know, keep the spice going. I'm better at sex with women I care about. You know, so I think in me being a player and a guy who goes out and talks a lot of different
Starting point is 00:05:45 women um you know if with my girlfriend or like my wife or whatever like that sex sex would be great with the other girls it can still be good but i know that i don't really put in that much effort because it's almost like i'm masturbating with someone and they see you know hey yo like i mean at least he's being honest there yeah like he's hooking up with girls and he's just trying to get a nut and once he gets his nut he's like rides into the bushes i'm out he's not that concerned about getting a good score yeah that's it that's that that's what happens with hookup culture though like when people are hooking up a lot like sometimes just like okay how can i get mine off i really don't care about her that much.
Starting point is 00:06:26 She's just a flashlight at this point. I have sex tattooed on my chest. Can I? Well, it wouldn't take much. It's right here on my rib. Okay. All right. It wouldn't take much to take it off.
Starting point is 00:06:38 It's like a gold one, too. Not even like a... I think the biggest thing I've ever heard from my sexual partners is like, wow, you really caught me off guard. And I think that's like a big part of it. I don't get that. You caught me off guard. Sneak attack me. What? Maybe he's packing some heat.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Yo. Oh, okay. That build. He's probably massive. It's always the real thin ones that are just walking around. Probably why he's got to wear a dress. So that way, because he can't wear pants. He can't stuff that thing in there.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Exactly. Is this like an argument with myself? Tell us why you're terrible at sex. You missed it. He stripped. I did see that. I saw it. I disagree because I just feel like it's such a typical conversation and belief that every guy believes are great at sex. And to be real, when I talk to my girlfriends, none of them have good sex with guys, unless it's like you guys said
Starting point is 00:07:31 your partner, then you can get better at it. Right. And you know what they like. So that's what I mean. Like, I think I'm great with my girlfriend, but if I was to generate and say like, I'm great at sex, I'm like, Oh, I didn't, you know, almost every girl I slept with before probably never even got off really. But to say like, I'm great at sex, you know, I can bring a dildo in, you know, like, it's just like, I mean, I'm nothing against that. Like, I like all kinds of things, but I don't want you
Starting point is 00:07:58 to dildo. Why do you look at me like that? I was wondering why you said that. This is so wholesome. I was just saying that, like. This is so wholesome. This guy's really dope. A lot of the answers that he's been giving, like first off, that answer took a lot of balls to say like, yeah, great, I'm my girlfriend,
Starting point is 00:08:13 but if I can honestly say a bunch of the girls I've been with, maybe they didn't get off. He just said that to over 700,000 people who watch this video, right? That's a massive level of vulnerability and honesty it's really cool and these guys are just they're they're the whole conversation's sick women should not be in position of power well what do we think hell no i mean your wife is in a position of power.
Starting point is 00:08:45 She kills it. Yeah. I think I know, yeah, I know a lot of women in positions of power. Yeah, I know of like, you know, like Andy and a couple of other examples of like women in power and they do really well. That's such a, I don't know, that's a weird question to me. Like not weird, it's just like, what exactly positions in power? Well, they ask that question because sometimes you'll hear guys say, like, you know, it's not good to have women in positions of power
Starting point is 00:09:12 because they're too emotional. Oh. Being able to, like, they go on how they're feeling sometimes. So they're not. That's what people say as to why women shouldn't be. But it's like yeah of course game over just like his aunt says i'm the only one i think a woman can be in a position of power only by herself but not in relation to being in a relationship with a man because when
Starting point is 00:09:41 when she's in a relationship with a man the man has to's in a relationship with a man, the man has to be the leader. The man has to be the one that's guiding the situation, directing the situation. If it's in any other situation by herself, with work, you know, with her friends or whatever, she can do whatever she wants to do. If I'm understanding this right, he's saying like, you know, if she's, she can do that when she's around other women,
Starting point is 00:10:00 she can be in positions of power. But when she's with a man or in a relationship with a man, like the man should be in the position of power. What do you guys think about the whole, um, leader leadership aspect of a man in a marriage or a relationship? Because you hear that a lot. You hear like men say men should be the leaders. You should be leading the direction. And I understand it. But I guess one of the reasons why like, I wonder is like, yeah, it's good to be able to lead in the direction, but don't you want the person you're with to also have the ability to have a good understanding of what direction you guys should be going in? Like, should it all be
Starting point is 00:10:38 on you as the leader, as the man? What are your thoughts? I don't know how much it matters. I'm not sure. You know, when it comes to like vacations and things like that, my wife plans most of the things most of the time. Yeah, I mean, she kind of directs all that stuff. And most of the men that I know, I would say, they'll usually say, you got to ask my wife. You know, if I said, what are you doing on like the 4th of July? They'd be like, oh, ask, ask my wife. Cause the wife has something planned. There's some sort of party or something you're going to. So, um, and women, a lot of times too, like, I guess this is like, maybe not,
Starting point is 00:11:28 And women a lot of times too, like I guess this is like maybe not as in favor nowadays, but maybe it is. I don't know. A lot of women like manage the money in the household as well. Even if it is the man's money, you know, even if it is coming mainly from the male. It seems like a lot of women are the ones like checking the account checking the credit card checking the bills checking the again that's just some stuff that i've seen maybe it's because of my age or whatever i'm not sure moving you keep around i first want to ask because there's a lot of like like has to have tos, but like not really a reason behind it.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Like, can I ask like, what's your reason behind like why a man has to be in power? Like in power? Why can't the woman be in power? Power is such a weird word. I'll say more like the leadership role. And I, and the thing is, is that a man has to lead a woman. He has to guide a woman because what happens is that when, when it's the opposite, when a woman is leading that man, she usually loses respect for him.
Starting point is 00:12:25 When she's in a relationship with a man who is, you know, under her, who's submissive to her in a lot of different situations, then she starts to lose respect for him because she's looking for a man to lead and guide her. If you notice, they have sex with the bad boys, but then the nice guys get tossed to the side. You see, like, why is that? Well, if you look at them psychologically, they have past traumas and issues probably but like look there's there's women for you right i mean like you're on a different scale what i would say some women want a guy like you because they don't want to do anything right they don't want to take that position um i'm around a lot of women who don't want that they're they're in positions of power not just in work career at home uh i know a lot of women who don't want that. They're in positions of power, not just in work, career,
Starting point is 00:13:06 at home. I know a lot of them. I do business. I find women much more pleasant to do business with. But when you're talking about maybe being at home, I don't know. It's just like, I think when you get into your part, your end of the pond, it can get a little bit mucky. You know what I mean? And I don't really subscribe to that as well. I heard you say you were from New York. I lived in Manhattan for 30 years as a fashion designer in the heart of Manhattan. She was working as a fashion editor.
Starting point is 00:13:33 I held her down with the three kids. I was the one bringing the money home. I was the one doing that. After my son, my youngest, went back to school, she went back to work. I always wanted to have my own collection. She was like, you should do that now. So guess what? She had the job. She paid the bills while I was building my company. So I could be strong in our relationship and be a man in our relationship,
Starting point is 00:13:53 but I also got to know what it means to have a partner next to me. And that's someone that I have to lead. What do you guys think of the idea of like, I think that Mr. Locario guy said it. If a woman ever has to be in a position of power, she will lose respect for you. That's one thing that you do hear some guys say. Like if she ever has to help take care of, let's say that there is a time where you, things get a little bit rough for you
Starting point is 00:14:18 and she needs to step up a little bit. She'll lose respect for you. What do you guys think that says? What do you guys think of that idea? Because there are some people that that's happened to, right? Yeah, I think, you know, the man's going to have to step up and take their part, you know? So I think that you can't just be like a doormat, you know?
Starting point is 00:14:36 If the roles are reversed a little bit and the wife leads more stuff here and there, probably not a huge deal. But if she has to lead everything all the time and that's becoming like a big stressor, that's probably not great. Um, my wife does lead a lot of stuff, but then when it comes to certain other things, she's like, Oh, you know, you need to like, you need to kind of take this. Or I just sometimes just know, you know, like, Oh, okay. That's, that's more for me. And if I get to that
Starting point is 00:15:05 sooner, if I get to that before she does, she doesn't have to have the stress of having that around. And that's, I'm not thinking of, oh, she's going to like lose respect for me. I'm just thinking like, that's kind of my role. That's my job. Like I, I see it. I can see it. You know, the ball was like tipped up to me, you know? That's the cool thing because both of you guys have periods where, okay, she needs to step up a little bit here and help out and do something. And you guys had people that were with you that were like, you know what? You are someone who gets shit done. I trust that this isn't going to be where we're going to be forever. But like, you know, no one is on top forever.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Sometimes life is just a constant upward trajectory and that's great. But sometimes if you're hitting a low period, but you're still someone who is personal development, like you're going to find a way. You want someone with you who can be in that trench with you and who isn't just going to be like, I'm out. I'm gonna go find someone better because like, you're not what I, well, you're not what I expected. You want someone who can be there with you while you have to figure that shit out, you know? So. They can support you and they can kind of afford to wait a little bit for you to develop. Sometimes that's necessary. Sometimes you're just a dude who's just always here and that's great.
Starting point is 00:16:22 But most people, there are ups and downs and there's hopefully the person with you can be there with you and handle those ups and downs yeah and then be like all like super supportive because like as we were trying to figure things out and she was making more money like it was never a part of like conversation it was never like damn we ran out of whatever eggs again or something. It's like, well, I guess I better go get us more, you know, cause I make the money or whatever. Well, like it never, it never came up. And it just, like I said, it afforded me an opportunity to like, really go all in and, you know, make dreams come true. So, and I had that happen because I had an
Starting point is 00:17:01 awesome partner. There we go. Well, I think it's really, really important to specify what leading means. And so right now we're talking about, you talked about, okay, we do the chores. Sometimes she pays more. Sometimes I pay more. I think it's looking at a really superficial level. I think what you look at in a relationship, when you look at leadership and the one that is following per se is who's the one holding down the emotional space. Like who has the capacity to show up as the rock the majority of the time in a dynamic?
Starting point is 00:17:26 And if that is the woman, I believe, for the most part, the polarity gets thrown off, and there will be a deficiency in the sexual attraction that she'll have for you. If you are more excessively emotional and unstable than your wife, I do believe that's going to lead to issues in the relationship. A man's job is to be the mountain that a woman's emotional waves crash into. Like, straight up. So women are always going to be more emotional than men.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Men should be the stable ones. Men don't need to be crying in front of women. And ideally, they're not splitting chores. And I don't mean that disrespectfully, but I think that if a woman cannot look up to you in some way, then she cannot respect you. And if she cannot respect you, she cannot love you. What do you guys think about the emotion thing real quick?
Starting point is 00:18:06 Yeah, I think that's important. Yeah. Yeah. Someone's got to be solid. I do agree with that. Like it is good if you can maybe share emotions sometimes, but that doesn't mean you have to be constantly emotional. It doesn't mean you need to be constantly getting angry or constantly getting in, you're getting sad about things. Those things can happen. But you definitely, I would personally say, at least I speak for myself, it's not something that is a constant with me. I'm fairly chill anyway. Right. So I think that is important.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Yeah. I would say most of the couples I know, the guy is usually kind of, kind of chill, kind of kick back. And the wife is, maybe has a little more anxiety and maybe has, even the moms that I know, just have like more, which is understandable. Your mom, it's just, they got more worry. And dad's like, oh, you know. Yeah, I guess those, I guess our kids are going to clobber each other with those baseball bats.
Starting point is 00:19:00 See what happens. Wait till one of them cries. I totally disagree. Totally just that. Totally just that. And the only reason I didn't come sit down is because I have some really, really good women in leadership roles in my businesses. And they are absolute leaders. Now, they might lead under me, but I think they stand alone as leaders, and I respect them enough that I would never come sit down over that particular statement because it's too vague. But in the relationship, yes, sir, I do agree that a man should be the leader,
Starting point is 00:19:29 he should be the breadwinner, and he should be the one solving all the problems out in the world and emotionally at home. I'm glad, again, that you two say for work, it's fine. But when it comes to our relationship, I've got to be the one to wear the pants. Okay, let's not say pants. We'll use the person's fine. But when it comes to our relationship, I got to be the one to wear the pants on that Okay, that's not say pants will use your person's worth. I got to be the mountain that her emotions crash into I tell you guys we could be very emotional too And I know it's a lot of guys in my 55 years and away emotional to some of these women out here now They're taking charge. So I think that's no I agree
Starting point is 00:20:04 And if you notice, isn't it weird that nowadays they're talking about all these single, sexless men and all these guys having issues? Why do you think that is? They're becoming more emotional than ever. I think women are putting up with less bullcrap. No, they are. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:20:17 I am not a sexless, single guy. I'm not saying you. No, no, I'm just saying this. No one said you were. My girlfriend is an emotional rock for me. That's what I mean. I'm sorry, but I got to strongly disagree with everything you say.
Starting point is 00:20:33 I'm also a breadwinner right now. You guys agree and understand like all these things that we've been talking about can be reversed easily. Yeah. Could be the woman that's... Because as many chill guys I know, I know a couple where there's... A few couples where there's like a role reversal and the woman is the one who's less
Starting point is 00:20:52 worried and the guy is the one who's kind of you know always chewing on his fingers kind of bit of an anxious hothead yeah yeah yeah she's going through a time and she wants to actually do something for herself and I totally support that but when it comes to an emotional whatever you just said that analogy look i mean i think that's the problem also with a lot of uh toxicity that goes on because some men a lot of men have emotions you don't want to express it and then it turns into this opposite toxicity how do i know this i used to be one of them. Me too. A lot of these rich millionaires are the ones that have huge high divorce rates and things of that sort.
Starting point is 00:21:32 And I think it's because they're just genuinely unhappy. Like, is your woman with you for your security? Or do they actually like you as a person? And we're starting to see that, like, yeah, women want me at first. But I don't think it ends well because after a while, like, they want you for your security. They don't want you for who you are as a person and things of that sort. And that's why we see these millionaires and all these, like, really alpha males getting high divorce rates because I think at first it starts off with, like, security. Money doesn't make you alpha.
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Starting point is 00:22:44 your cart and at checkout enter promo code Power Project 10 to save 10% off of that panel. Again, merrickhealth.com slash power project. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. A man can just be friends with an attractive woman. We've had a conversation about this before. What are your thoughts, guys? i don't know if i can really answer that question is andy gonna listen to this podcast well she won't but i have uh i have friends that are women and i would rather not like okay when i think about it like i do have women like attractive
Starting point is 00:23:30 female friends but i don't go out of my way to go hang out with them alone i'm not constantly texting them if a conversation happens conversation happens but i'm not seeking to like oh me and my friend are gonna go on a hike yeah you know what i mean like so then in my opinion you're like in those shorts wait oh hold on no i can't go i can't go sorry so then i would say that like maybe that's not necessarily a friend it's more like an acquaintance um because i yeah i think that maybe like a dude shouldn't have like female friends especially who cares if they're attractive or not i just you know yeah like you think the closeness of the friendship matters this is yes like yeah
Starting point is 00:24:10 i think so yeah because you yeah because i yeah no i was i i uh last night hung out with one of my buddies his wife was there and then i invited both of them to my daughter's quinceanera and then this morning she texted me asking like oh when was the date again and i sent her you know information yeah so like are we friends or are we like texting each other because i'm friends with her husband right like i wouldn't be talking to this person if it wasn't my friend's wife like you know and i know that's a little bit different because like we're all married and stuff but i wouldn't be texting this person randomly if she was just a friend. Let's expand this a quick.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Because I think I'm in a relationship. You guys are both married. I think there's like more context. Like we think about some of these people and then we think about the woman that we're with. And we're just like, okay, we need to be careful with these dynamics, right? If you guys were single, do you guys think you would have if there were hotly hot women around could you just be friends with them just just like let's you know like would i think mainly you're friends with them just kind of in case honesty yeah yeah like yeah okay i because like
Starting point is 00:25:23 i i think about again my friendships even when i was single i had friends that are women but i was i wasn't just going and hanging out with them randomly like if they are attractive i just knew that there's that that might probably happen yeah i've never had a female friend like it's usually somebody that i was yeah i don't usually have a female friend either it's like usually like. Yeah, I don't usually have a female friend either. It's usually like a friend of the family. It's like we all know the person or something like that.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Let's take this a step further. Now it's going to get weird. Okay, so you see how in this question a man can just be friends with an attractive woman. So it means you have to find this person attractive. How do you feel about women you don't find attractive? That doesn't change for me. It doesn't change for you for you no i still think that you shouldn't be putting energy towards that person yeah yeah yeah yeah i think i think uh i think the level of attractiveness i think it
Starting point is 00:26:16 does matter to some extent you know like uh you ever hear about some of these celebrities and and uh they're like oh yeah the guy hooked up with the nanny and you're like who in the fuck would have a nanny like that he's like oh my god yeah well schwarzenegger's situation was a little different because that was just like uh that was an unattractive woman but you but he must have been on trend yeah yeah it was on some shit yeah um but you do see it a lot and you're like, why did they, why did they pick like this, uh, young, beautiful girl to like watch their kids or whatever.
Starting point is 00:26:50 I don't know. It was strange. Yeah. But I, I do think the attractiveness, I think it could matter. Um, and also think just in general,
Starting point is 00:26:59 like, uh, getting attention, attention from, uh, getting attention from somebody else outside of your marriage is not a good spot to be hanging out in. Like attention that you're enjoying, attention that you're seeking, you know, and you're like, oh, let's just go on this walk together. And it's like, well, that's a little odd.
Starting point is 00:27:26 That's a little strange. Unless it's like agreed upon and everyone knows each other and everyone's cool with each other, I guess that could be a different circumstance. But otherwise, it's kind of suspicious, I think. Yeah, because this is the thing. It's important to understand dynamics are understood. You both are attractive men. You both are fit, right?
Starting point is 00:27:44 Thank you. Yeah. Now, if you put yourself in a situation with another attractive woman, even though you guys are in relationships, this woman can probably see, he's an attractive guy. He's got a shit together. Looks good. You can also see, oh, she looks good. But you're just going to bat that out of your
Starting point is 00:28:00 mind and just, let's have coffee. Right? Yeah, you couldn't even just difficult be in that situation period like i would just try to eject just no can't make it or whatever it is just just blocking dodging okay so is your answer both your answers no a man can just yeah i would just be friends with it i would say no yeah i would agree. I wouldn't put myself in that situation. I think it's something that women should be aware of too. I think women
Starting point is 00:28:30 are aware of it though. Well, good. Because, no, no, because I think you got to be careful, I think. I think women have to be careful, not from a safety purpose necessarily, but that's always important. But just in terms of like giving the guy like wrong cues. Like a guy will pick up everything that could possibly be a cue for the guy to, you know, like you more or to put moves on you or to ask you out on a date.
Starting point is 00:28:58 You got to be really, you have to really make it like it's not even a line. I think you have to kind of be a little bit mean. And that's why I don't think you can really be good friends that way whenever my girl goes to the gym she always comes back like it's at least two or three times a week it's like yeah another another guy hit on me it's just like and then whenever she uh puts him down he's like you can't have friends this is the thing guys guys will hang around a chick for the chance to like, she's going through something. They're like sharks in the water, dog. It's like they're sniffing for it.
Starting point is 00:29:30 We're just friends though. He's just my friend. He's just your friend. Yeah. So I would say no from two perspectives is like dudes are going to be dudes. And if they see an attractive woman, eventually they're going to be turned on by them right then the other no is also is like from a married standpoint like yeah i don't i don't want to give my energy nor receive like any kind of uh mark put it best if you're if i'm if i'm looking for that elsewhere that means i'm not getting it at home
Starting point is 00:30:01 and that's just not a good good place to be so um So, um, yeah, no, I'm like, I'm even careful, like women who I know, like I'm careful all the time, but when do I know they're in relationships? Like I'm careful about the way I speak to them. I'm careful about the way I'm, I'm, I am around them because like, I don't want to send any, I don't want any weird signals being sent. You know what I mean? So, I mean, I think we all are fairly careful with that too. You try to picture as if your significant other was in the room you know you're gonna you're gonna you know how are you gonna act if you know said woman is there and your wife is there you know you try to act that way like your wife or girlfriend are they cool with seeing you interact with this person in this way if not then, then your behavior is probably, uh, probably a little suspect. No technicalities, bro.
Starting point is 00:30:55 So I think it's all about, again, as we've been saying before, it's all about choices. Um, I think if you find a woman attractive, it depends on, you know, are you going to choose to pursue her or not? But for some of us, you know, like if we're speaking from personal experience, I've met many attractive women. And that's not the only thing that, you know, I'm looking for. It's also about personality. So she can be a 10. But if it's like the personality is just you know someone who doesn't challenge me on a spiritual level emotional level um someone who also is like emotionally unavailable like
Starting point is 00:31:31 then it doesn't really matter i have friends who like you know i was considered very attractive but then at the same time i could and when i think about it i thought i wouldn't be able to stand like being alone in a room with them for like more than like 10 minutes you know i mean i feel like not like my friends are like sexually attracted to them and it comes to a point where like i see them as like sisters are just such close friends that even like the thought of them naked like grosses me out because like i just don't see them that way i see them as like very close like he's the guy that's gonna be around your girl being like we're just friends i, I get grossed out just thinking about her naked. Andrew was very interesting.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Even his whole aesthetic. Um, he's, he's very interesting, you know, but anyway, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Cool answer. Some things of that sort. And, you know, sometimes like you grew up with certain women and you like, you see them as like a sister and you see them as a close friend and you just grow up and you don't see her like that fundamentally yeah those 34 double d tits are disgusting so gross there are a few women who have her friends yeah yeah they look the tits look different they don't look as appetizing they don't look like i want to motor both oh my god i do have a question for y'all though.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Cause like, no, have you guys, do you know anybody? Are there any women that you guys have grown up around who like you still know or still keep in contact with or not really? No. No.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I was curious about that because like there's, there are women who have grown up around and now they're adults. They're attractive, but I, I can't see them that way. Cause they're literally like, I feel like they're my sisters. They're not, but I feel like they're my sisters. So it's like, that's just like, nah, you know, I was just curious if that's happened to you guys.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Is it natural to not be attracted to a very attractive woman to you? I don't think so. With a lot of intention with it and your priorities are elsewhere and you're very intentional with how you're showing up in that space. I think you can do it. I think that was a question if it can be done, not if it's natural or not. If I'm attracted to you, honestly, I'm trying to smash. We got out of sex and we have to be in some type of sexual situation or I don't really want to interact with you. On top of that, I don't believe in giving women non-sexual attention unless we're in a relationship and the reason why is because i feel like uh non-sexual attention from a man towards a woman is very valuable so i'm not just giving you that just to be friends you know so i'm saying like i'm not just going to do
Starting point is 00:33:57 that for you and so what it is is that if i'm going to do that for you you have to be under my program which means that we're in some sort of sexual relationship between me and you. You see what I'm saying? So that's how I'll be. I think that men and women can be friends. It's just not because the man wants to. Most often it's the man that's trying to sleep with the woman.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Right. And he's trying to hang around long enough for her to slip up and make that happen. I mean, let's keep it a hundred. Exactly. Right? So can they? Yes. And that would have been the technicality.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Like when I saw you moving, I'm like. But overall, most of the time, you're not going to see a man be friends with a very overweight woman. You're not going to see a man be friends with a very unattractive woman unless there's some kind of financial reward there. Justin, he has to come on the podcast. But. Yo, I mean, it's kind of rough to say. God. I didn't even want to.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Okay, so he's tuned in, bro. Like, yo. What do you guys think? Just comment below what your thoughts are on that. That's kind of fucked up. But at the same time, like's there is some there is some truth there if there if there's no if he actually i think he said a business relationship or a financial relationship but if there's nothing there maybe maybe they're art friends or something or you know hobby friends and there's no attraction there that's why i asked you guys actually you know what if you're not attracted to them?
Starting point is 00:35:29 I think that's much easier probably to just be a friend with that person because there's literally no attraction there, at least on your side. But that's... What do you guys think in the comments? How savage is that? I think in the other direction, though, it would be very similar. You know, if it's a a very heavy male there might have less female friends i think people are really judgmental to people that are very you know people that are obese people are heavy yeah just this is where we're at
Starting point is 00:35:57 by and largely i don't buy guy friends particularly with any girl i'm seeing it's like yeah right i think when i think about it, and I had a technicality on the other side, because I'm like, yeah, part of me really believes I can happen. But then I go back to my experience in life and my friends, and it's really hard. I was running over there in my head, and I shut my eyes down,
Starting point is 00:36:18 but I was running all these scenarios from life experience of my friends who have said that, girls and guys, because it's not just guys. And it's never worked out that way. It just never is. And I think because, and it's if you find the person can be, yes, a person can be an attractive person and you not find that person attractive and you be friends.
Starting point is 00:36:33 You have friendship and attraction. That's my thing. Part of the relationship is friendship and getting along. And then on top of it, you find that person attractive. No way. I just think it's a very rare, very rare thing. You know, yes, a person can be attracted to me and you not find them attractive and I can be friends with that person.
Starting point is 00:36:50 But if I'm finding that or if you're finding that person attractive and you build a friendship and you connect. And you probably want to be with them. I don't think Adam and Macassar doesn't exist. But to me, just again, in my experience in life and just knowing my friends and people, I don't know one that has worked out that way. I mean, there's nothing wrong with, like, your own experiences. Obviously, if that's what you've seen
Starting point is 00:37:09 or that's what you personally experienced, that, like, you yourself couldn't be in a friendship with a woman, like, again, that's your personal experience, though. Whereas the question is, like, can a man, any man, be in, like, a regular friendship with him? Like, a real, real friendship? Like, they're actually really friends? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:25 And he not want to sleep with her and find her attractive? No. Yeah, I think it's BS. Because like at that point, most girls talk about like... I love how blunt they are because it's like,
Starting point is 00:37:33 and she's attractive and I don't want to fuck her? What? What do you mean? It doesn't compute. That's so funny. Oh my God. About like,
Starting point is 00:37:43 what is an attractive woman, right right are we talking about just looks because in this case like there are people who like honestly don't don't like have sexual like desires for a woman who isn't like emotionally like i think it's is she attractive to you yeah i think that's like the basis of it when you look at specific situations so for some of these females that work for you for example if they're very attractive do you feel i would imagine you have the the capacity to capitalize that gift from god yeah man i just the second i sign their check it's gone it's gone right so it's i think it's the same thing with friends as significant others as well it's like i have the ability to compartmentalize it where it's like all right this attraction is just dissipates kind of like what you're talking
Starting point is 00:38:21 about before andrew you know your friend and his wife. Like, I have friends that are wives. I don't look at them in that way. Like, even if they're attractive, it's just like, there's, you know, it's a very different dynamic. You know? So. A man friends with an attractive woman. If there's that barrier of him being in the relationship, or
Starting point is 00:38:39 are you working for them? Well, first of all, we're not friends. You work for me. Right. You know? That's what I was going to say. I'm like, damn it. I had something there. But when he was talking about, as soon as I sign the check, it goes away or whatever. Yeah. But he's not friends with them. They are employees. There's titles there.
Starting point is 00:38:56 There's a divider. It's not somebody that he's just speaking to just randomly. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I care about you fully. You're part of the family, but you work for me. We're not personal friends
Starting point is 00:39:09 and me and you will not be in an atmosphere. We're alone. Right. So when you go back to it, is it a thing where if you're both single, do we all think that
Starting point is 00:39:17 you could be a friends with an attractive woman? We're both single. Don't know. Nope. I don't know. I don't know. Pat Project family,
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Starting point is 00:39:44 Links in the description and the podcast show notes. Enjoy the show. A man should not cry in front of his kids. Okay. What are you guys' thoughts? You guys have kids. Oh, man. I thought they were going to say in front of his wife or a girl.
Starting point is 00:40:00 I don't see anything wrong with crying. I personally don't see a problem with it either, but I'm trying to think. Have you guys ever seen your – I don't think I've ever seen my dad cry. Ever? Ever. I soon get teary-eyed a little bit, but not like – I've never seen a tear.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I could be way off, but nothing comes to mind. And again, my dad's pretty old school you know mexican traditional like hardcore macho but um yeah no i mean i've cried in front of my daughter before like no no big deal there i'm sure it'll happen in front of my son at some point do you mind sharing like with this what like do you um what happened? Yeah, sure. Like, I was feeling, like, depressed. Uh-huh. And I just remember telling her I felt sick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:49 And then she was, like, confused and, like, I had to kind of explain, like, I feel like there's a dark cloud over me, like, all the time. Yeah. And then, so, like, it was kind of weird. And then, like, looking at it now, like, I wish I didn't explain what was going on because now I introduced depression, like, that it was a thing, you know. And I said, like, I'm sick. Like, I feel sick. Okay. But you, let me ask you this. You were depressed. Yes. was going on because now i introduced depression like what that it was a thing you know and i said like i'm sick like i feel sick okay but you so let me ask you this you were depressed yes oh yes i was but i'm saying like looking back like i wish i used different terminology okay like i'm looking at it as like a like a learning experience now but like i remember that's when like i was like
Starting point is 00:41:19 she because she noticed it and i was just like oh Oh, like, damn, like I'm in a weird spot, but I'll just tell you how, like what's going on. Can I ask you a question about that? So, but do you think that you crying at that moment and explain to her, do you, do you regret doing, do you regret crying? And like, I feel like for kids, sometimes life comes very fast. And it was like one of those things where she could have seen it. And then maybe like I didn't explain it or something. And then like she might have been like even more confused versus me being upset at myself for like using like, in my opinion, like wrong terminology. Yeah. I'm upset at that. I'm not upset at like crying in front of her at all. Not at all.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Yeah. I'm upset at that. I'm not upset at like crying in front of her at all. Not at all. Yeah. And I look at that and see kind of a healthy thing as a kid to be able to see, okay, he has feelings. He's able to share those feelings. It's not crushing him and it's not wrong to have those feelings. Because like I know some people who, and even myself, like I've, when I was younger, I never really saw, my mom was a single parent, but I never saw much sway in her emotions really much, which was a great thing because she knew she had to keep it stable, which is partly why I'm also kind of monotone in terms of shit. like in my early twenties, because I was that way, I mean, I was kind of cold for a while until I was like, okay, it's okay to kind of, it's okay to feel those things or to express those things. Right. I don't know if I did it. Did you, have you ever seen your dad cry? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen him cry a bunch of times. Um, and I think, uh, your kids seeing
Starting point is 00:43:02 your cry, I don't, I mean, if a kid's going to see you laugh, why can't they see you cry? Kid's going to see you mad and pissed off or whatever. Like, why can't they see you cry? I think crying is just an emotion, and I think it's healthy. I think it's positive. It ain't popular. It's not going to be popular to say this,
Starting point is 00:43:23 but ideally you're not going to cry in front of your kids. They cry to you. Is it fair? No. Is life fair? No. Is the dynamic between a man, a woman, a child fair? No.
Starting point is 00:43:34 But personally for me, I want to take that responsibility of being the one that's stronger than all of them. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that responsibility. I want that responsibility in my life. I want to feel like I was a hero to them in every way. And I don't think a man that cries in front of his family is not the hero,
Starting point is 00:43:50 but ideally I'm not going to be doing that. Right. You know, it's weird. I've never actually seen my dad cry till this day. Not even once. The kids is looking to their father for that strength. And so if they're seeing their dad cry, right, I feel like that creates
Starting point is 00:44:06 fear in the situation the kid has with their father. If you're crying in front of your kids, it's the same thing as crying in front of your girl. It's a bad representation of what you're supposed to be in that situation for them. Now, I'll tell you when I do cry. Bro, when you see like one of those kids with Down syndrome get put in a high school basketball game, he starts nailing threes. I know what he's saying. Yeah, probably when I see those disabled kids, man. When they're doing good work, it's great. I get what he's saying, though. But he could have been like when, you know, like somebody in like an army comes back from being deployed and they see their kid or something.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Like that shit gets me all the time. Or like when their dog sees them for the first time or something and it goes crazy yeah like that shit will tear me apart all right what do you so what do you guys think about again i don't have a kid but what do you guys think about what they mentioned there you know they're they're like it's they'll they'll see you as weak and i think context matters a lot yeah like if they see you crying because the king's lost or something or your favorite sports team lost then it's like wait a second there or uh if you know i i i come out of this tournament and i get smoked by everybody and then i'm explaining it to my daughter and i start crying there like i think i i don't know i don't know if they she would lose respect for me over that but like again if you know like when my grandmother died and you know
Starting point is 00:45:31 like you know i'm crying over that or something like obviously like that that's fine right i think that's okay that's healthy for her to see like us go through the emotions and stuff like that but again if it's over i don't know like ah dude like somebody you know slash my tires what am i gonna do with myself now you know yeah yeah like i think then maybe it can be like damn dad dad can't keep his shit together like what the heck man maybe i gotta step up now you know like i think that could happen i think crying just helps you work through stuff so you cry and then you are fine you know so you crying is almost is almost more amazing than laughing like you'll
Starting point is 00:46:11 laugh and then there's really no residual of a laugh like a laugh just ends you stop smiling you kind of forget what you uh were laughing about in the first place you pee when you laugh but when you but when you laugh. But when you cry, you usually like have worked, not all the time, but most of the time you kind of worked through something and you come out the other side stronger.
Starting point is 00:46:32 So I think there's a reason. In Terminator 2, when Arnold picks up that little kid, I think he's wearing suspenders, he picks him up and looks at him and he's like, I'll never understand why you cry. And he puts the kid back down.
Starting point is 00:46:48 There's some people that think that they have to try to go through life without crying. And I think crying is amazing. I think you should try to laugh every day and cry every day. It's a Jimmy Valvano speech. If you've never seen it before, you should look it up. It's like the most amazing speech ever. But I think it's important to get yourself to, uh, to go through these emotions and why not explain emotions to your kids? You know, why not say, Hey, the other day when I, you know, got mad and got frustrated
Starting point is 00:47:17 and I pounded my fist on the table, like I was wrong. I was out of control. I don't like you seeing me like that. I'm sorry that that happened, but I was really frustrated. The bills are coming in or whatever the hell the thing is that's bugging you. And you can say, and then if you end up in a situation where you're crying, say, well, you know, your grandmother just died. That's my mom, you know, and this is what happened and they might be crying as well. And you can just talk to them about it yeah it's a teaching moment and actually what you mentioned there with the anger thing too it's like if you find a day where like if something like that happens it's a great thing to explain to your kid like fuck that wasn't
Starting point is 00:47:56 that wasn't a good representation of how i should have shown that that's what it was that that's a teaching moment it's not something you have to especially as a guy i don't personally think it's something you always have to hide away and i don't have kids i've never seen my dad cry i've known my dad like throughout my life never seen him cry but i mean i i don't think that i'd automatically think he's weak if i saw tears come down his eyes before the kid it's like happy i'm like laughing i'm like know, but other than that man, no, not at all. Call him a hink. Can the person who like has kids?
Starting point is 00:48:40 I have a father who I've never seen cry. So I get that. I was that man. Again, you have to understand my kids, my middle girl, my middle daughter, who I'm going to talk about is 26 years old. Now, for some reason, out of all three of my children, that middle girl, from the time she turned 13 to 17, 18, we just butted heads. Butted heads, right? And the relationship wasn't going to where it should be going. And I want to be close to my kids. We sat down. She was about 20, maybe 19, 20 years old. We had a heart to heart about our feelings and how we really felt about each other. And I cried. And six years later, seven years later, better relationship than we've ever had because she saw a human part of me
Starting point is 00:49:19 and not just me trying to be what you guys are talking about, which is a good thing too. You can count, my wife can count on one hand how many times you see me cry. I think my son had my other daughter have it. But I'm going to tell you for that enriching moment. And that's, again, just coming with years of having those tears with her and talking about how important it was that our relationship work. And then hear her come back and saying she felt the same way and breaking through that. I'm the father. I'm going to be the strong one. Made her break down and both of us be closer than we ever have been.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Can I ask you a question about that? Do you think that if you could have set her down earlier than the age that you did and just had a vulnerable conversation that maybe it could have happened, like it wouldn't have had to build all the way up to tears? No. She wouldn't have been able to hear it? No, because what was going on from my understanding of our relationship
Starting point is 00:50:02 is that, you know, young people, I'm very independent. My children are very independent. They don't want to be controlled in a certain way. And as a father, you still have to keep that control. She was only seeing that side. So she was only seeing this domineering person trying to squish what she thought that she wanted to be or who she wanted to be. And that wasn't it. I was just trying to play the father role. I saw my dad do it. Never a tear. He's that man, you know, and I was raised by that man, and I took that on. I remember sitting my son down and telling him,
Starting point is 00:50:29 boys, don't cry. And I still to this day regret that. And I still talk to him. He's 24. I still talk to him about I was wrong because I do not think that's the way we're supposed to live our lives, and I think that's why you go back to the statistic of how a lot of men are depressed.
Starting point is 00:50:44 We're supposed to have emotions. We're human. Now, I don't believe every time you turn around, you should be in front of your children and your wife. Like, you know, I think that's a drastic thing. But I know dropping a tear as a father for me made a relationship so much closer and so much better than it would. I'm telling you, I know what that it would have ever been. You don't think you could have shown that vulnerability without the teeter? No. My dad was capable of expressing emotion, not from the standpoint of being a whiny little baby. He held it down on my family.
Starting point is 00:51:12 My parents are the happiest couple I've ever seen still to this day. But my dad was able to and still is able to, at funerals, be able to show emotion during movies when he feels the emotion, be able to show up and do that um he i'd never see him whining about like what you guys are saying whining about just issues happening in his life like at work and what he's doing never he deals with that on his own but he is showing up vulnerably when he is experiencing an emotion not from a whiny baby place but from a freeness that he has with it and i even think like when i first went off to college you know
Starting point is 00:51:43 he's he's tearing up too so i would just like like to say this is a field I specialize in. I'm a program manager for a non-profit that focuses on mental health and a lot of the times what we get in our clients are men that are coming in dealing with childhood trauma of these expectations and standards of trying to live up to the quote-unquote masculine ideal. So a lot of the times we have men coming in because they're still trying to seek approval in their 30s or they're still trying to get that male validation, you know, in their 40s. And it goes back to making sure we understand the difference between regulating your emotions and suppressing them. I think that's why I said earlier, like, to be an alpha,
Starting point is 00:52:25 you have to be balanced. You guys can be emotional as well. You guys can be vulnerable. It doesn't make you less than. You guys ever find yourself, like, suppressing emotion? Like? Probably subconsciously. Subconsciously.
Starting point is 00:52:37 Not anything I've really noticed. Yeah. Probably, but I can't think of anything. Yeah. What I don't think of anything. Yeah. What I don't understand is why don't they don't have a, why don't they have enough room for Anthony? Like every time, like he's like in the middle,
Starting point is 00:52:51 like for anybody that's watching the video rather than let's just listen to the podcast. This guy's like crammed in the middle for some reason. They have like not enough space on the stage or something. He's pretty jacked. Like, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:02 He's kind of jacked and they don't have room for him. Yeah. A woman being more assertive doesn't make her less than a woman. If you feel like you don't want to promote being emotional in front of your kids, you know, I've asked the question, does that kind of fall into toxic masculinity for your son? Well, first, I didn't say anything about not being vulnerable. Vulnerable is the word that I brought up. So I think being vulnerable is very important. I think crying, physically crying in front of your kids is not ideal. This is not about an ego stroke or
Starting point is 00:53:34 trying to be overly masculine. I think being vulnerable as a man is one of the strongest things a man can actually do. It's just that I don't think that crying, particularly sobbing, is going to be very healthy as the leader and the person that they're supposed to come to for that safety and that care. But isn't real vulnerability then, then you're just not being honest, but like, yo, babe, sorry. I had this thing. I just, I left and I cried. But now I'm here to be strong with you. That's real vulnerability.
Starting point is 00:53:58 I can't think of a scenario where I'd leave to cry. But needing feels performative. I'm trying to show you how vulnerable i am no no it's not necessarily showing me it's i think you're gonna be very vulnerable without crying yeah people just express their sadness in different ways you can be but i heard what you guys were saying earlier and i agree with that it's like you know you don't want to be a cry baby about things we don't right what type of shit makes you guys cry like outside i was just thinking about this i was also thinking about they keep saying like cry baby i actually think a worst
Starting point is 00:54:30 thing to do in front of your children is complain rather than i would rather oh yeah i would rather cry than complain because complaining just does yeah it does nothing no i was trying to think you know like damn when was the uh the last time like not that it's been like hella times but we i took my daughter to go watch um the the newest black panther movie that opening scene when they're like celebrating i cried dude i had tears coming i wasn't like something yeah my heart was pounding as she like as she's trying to like get the purple heart yeah like going oh god oh no no no and like it was already happening there and then like the celebration dude i'm just like fuck dude we're going and like just pouring right i'm like oh my gosh both of us are just like handing each other tissues you know and so that that got us both but
Starting point is 00:55:15 like that was how cool is that moment yeah we're both in the theater and we're both just like like this is so sad yeah you know what kind of cute shit all the time i see some cute puppy or something doing something on instagram man like that that'll that'll get a few yeah get a few man yeah and then yeah and then if she like does anything you know it's like she performs she went she did uh you know she had two plays this school year and it's like every time she came out it's like oh my god like there she is you know so stuff like that yeah that'll get me yeah yeah being really proud of something or proud of someone. Someone reaches a cool accomplishment that you know they've been working hard for. It's hard not to get choked up about it.
Starting point is 00:55:50 You're like, oh, that's really cool. I know how hard they were working for it. I think, you know, obviously like things like people dying and there's all kinds of shit to cry about. But sometimes, like, again, I don't view crying as being any different as being like happy. And sometimes you cry cause you're happy. A song can just hit and I'll cry. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:13 You know, like middle of a workout, but sometimes a song hits and it gets me like fired up in a different way. Sometimes it's just a beautiful day out. I'm like, I'm grateful. Like this is fucking cool. And sometimes just the power of all that just hits me i feel like overwhelmed by it it feels and it
Starting point is 00:56:29 feels it feels good and it like fills me up yeah there we go for instance if i'm at a funeral and this person meant something to tell me no can't do that. Or I see something on television or a movie that moves me, like, you can't do that. It's like kind of like a very weird thing. And I think you guys touched upon that. There's just like a weird stigma behind like crying because it seems like we keep associating crying with weakness. And then the issue is that like, again, there is a big difference between crying and sobbing. Hysterically, sobbing, I think that should only do if you, say, you lost a loved one really close to you.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Say, your significant other, say, a horrible accident, stuff like that. There are obviously scenarios for that. For regular crying, again, kind of like we all touched upon, that we're not saying that you have to cry every other day but like there are like cases where it's it's okay it should be okay as kids we look for like we look up to our dads to be able to how do we react to certain scenarios do you feel that like okay like for instance like my dad didn't cry i don't think i've ever seen my dad cry i've seen seen very bad, like, sad scenarios. Straight face, you know?
Starting point is 00:57:45 And I feel like I developed that as, like, a kid. Like, as I got older, like, I have to keep this inside because that's exactly just how I saw my dad do it. How would you basically, like, explain to your kids how they feel like they should let out their sadness? Should they keep, especially if you feel like you're not really expressing sad emotions in front of them? I think probably the best thing I can do is, like,
Starting point is 00:58:04 explain to you what my goal as a father is is to explain them the truth of the world truly hey this is the truth of the world this is how the world is here's some competencies and things you can do to set yourself up because my ultimate goal for my children is to have choice so i can have a son he could be gay he could cry he could be straight he could cry like like i could have daughters that were dominant masculine. I don't care as long as they have choice. I personally, my preference and what I aspire to be and what I want to be and what I get to be is that strong man for my family. We all kind of believe that, like, we have to be a hero for our kids, right? Especially when they're super young. And honestly, I agree.
Starting point is 00:58:40 I think it's totally, like, you need to be a role model for your kids, you know, and you need to be a safe space, which I completely agree with. But things happen as they grow up, you know what I mean? Especially when they go towards their teen years, when they start being more in touch with their emotions, when they're actually like feeling a lot of different things and feeling the pressure of society and everything that's collapsing around them. Sometimes they don't just need like a hero. They need a father
Starting point is 00:59:05 to like commune with to like actually talk with yes i've heard you say multiple times that your dad was your hero yeah yeah i think this yeah yeah for sure yeah i mean i my dad just, he, yeah, if I could be the same dad to my kids as he was to me, then I think mission accomplished. That'd be pretty cool. This was a good video. That was, I've never heard of Jubilee before. Yeah. And I'm way behind 8.2 million subscribers. Holy crap.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Some of their stuff, man, you see some of their conversations and people just don't let people talk. You know what I mean? And they get mad probably. People get mad. People get annoyed at the, the opinions of other people. So they start to like be super emotional and shit.
Starting point is 00:59:56 But all these guys, like they, even though they had differing opinions, it was a very, you could see how there was somewhat of a middle ground between things other than Mr. Lucario. Mr. Lucario was, yeah, he's pretty interesting. But yeah, that was really interesting.
Starting point is 01:00:14 What do you guys think in the comments? Hopefully you answered the questions because we're going to pick a giveaway winner in the next video. But what do you guys think of this? It was pretty good. Yeah, it ended up kind of going all over the place. We talked about so many different topics. Yeah, really good put together questions for the conversation. You know, like they sparked a lot of back and forth.
Starting point is 01:00:33 That's really cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I think just in terms of parenting, I think not that it's everyone's goal to have children, but if you yourself have children, you're trying to make your kids formidable enough and strong enough to eventually one day have their own children and be able to lead them.
Starting point is 01:00:53 And, um, I think the best way to have them turn into leaders is for, um, is for parents to both show them how to lead. I don't think it has to come from just the dad. I don't think it has to come from just the dad. I don't think it has to just come from the mom. I think you can learn from both.
Starting point is 01:01:10 And some information I've heard recently that the children's education has a lot to do with the mom's education. So the smarter the woman that you pick, the smarter that you're, because in a lot of cases, the kids end up spending a lot of time with the mom. And then also the mom's fitness level too. So another reason for you to be nitpicky and make sure that these women are getting on scale every morning, afternoon and night and making sure they're not gaining a single pound.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Put those chips down. Yeah, just put the fucking chips down. Well, they're not going to have friends that are overweight anyway, so. See? Yeah, they're already on the right path. But the mom's fitness level has a lot to do with the children's fitness level as well. So, I don't know. You want to make sure some of those things are intact, you follow the stats.
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