Mark Bell's Power Project - The Best Way to Enhance Mobility, Posture, and Injury Recovery

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Are you tired of feeling stiff, struggling with poor posture, or dealing with nagging injuries that hold you back? In this episode of Mark Bell’s Power Project Podcast, Mark Bell and Nsima Inyang dive deep with Steve Terry, the creator of The Body Lever, to uncover the best ways to improve your mobility, fix your posture, and recover faster from injuries. Discover practical tips and strategies that work for real people, especially men who are serious about taking control of their health, fitness, and personal development.Steve shares eye-opening insights about how simple shifts in your movement can create massive changes in how your body feels and performs. The conversation breaks down the truth about mobility and posture, what most people are doing wrong, and how you can do it better starting today. Don’t miss the chance to learn from a true expert who has helped countless individuals move better and feel stronger. This is episode 1137 of Mark Bell’s Power Project Podcast—your ultimate resource for achieving a better and stronger you!Get 15% off your own Body Lever here: https://www.thebodylever.com/?ref=MARKBELLSPOWERPROJECTFollow Body Lever on IG: https://www.instagram.com/bodylever/Special perks for our listeners below!🥜 Protect Your Nuts With Organic Underwear 🥜➢https://nadsunder.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 15% off your order!🍆  Natural Sexual Performance Booster 🍆 ➢https://usejoymode.com/discount/POWERPROJECTUse code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!🚨 The Best Red Light Therapy Devices and Blue Blocking Glasses On The Market! 😎➢https://emr-tek.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!👟 BEST LOOKING AND FUNCTIONING BAREFOOT SHOES 🦶➢https://vivobarefoot.com/powerproject🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK Done! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel, and use code POWERPROJECT for 10% off any lab!🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained:   ➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast➢ https://www.PowerProject.live➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerprojectFOLLOW Mark Bell➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybellFollow Nsima Inyang ➢ Ropes and equipment : https://thestrongerhuman.store➢ Community & Courses: https://www.skool.com/thestrongerhuman➢ YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=enFollow Andrew Zaragoza➢ Podcast Courses and Free Guides: https://pursuepodcasting.com/iamandrewz➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz/➢ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamandrewz

More recently, there was a type of cell discovered. It's called a fascicite. These cells are collected in the places that we may have trigger points. My belief is that when you do myofascial work, whether it's with the body lever or any kind of roller or ball, you're stimulating these fascicites

to essentially lubricate and continue to work optimally. Yeah, we've been talking about myofascial release stuff quite a bit on the show. All of these different positions, part of what I call the movement vortex. Your body is this vortex or vortices, like a storm of different spiraling joints and muscles. Finesse is the focus, man.

Like, if you can look like you have an anti-gravitational machine that's kind of what people are looking for if you look at just the aggregate of how many surface like big muscles we have for locomotion it's not very many how many can we count i see the body as that system all right we are rolling steven from body leaver saying thank you for coming on the show today glad to be here, super psyched. You have a first ever for us today, if you don't mind. Can you play the didgeridoo for us here for a second?

Stephen brought this thing in. I think he might've even made it. Maybe he can tell us more about it afterwards, but here we go. I'm gonna turn me on a little bit. Little sample. Did you make that? No, I did not. I purchased that from a gentleman near my hometown after touring and getting one on tour, playing around with it, not doing very well.

How much does a didgeridoo cost? The first one I got was a trade. I traded one of my tools for one, and it was normally 300 bucks, so I paid a little bit extra into that one. So you've been showing us the Body Lever and some of the other products that you made. The Body Lever was like sitting inside a super training gym

for quite some time, just kind of on the shelf. And there was a guy there that would use it here and there. He showed it to me, but I kind of never really shelf. And there was a guy there that would use it here and there. He showed it to me, but I kind of never really knew exactly what it did. And then Encema started picking it up and messing with it more. And next thing I know, I start to use it because Encema shows it to me.

And I'm like, this thing's been sitting in the corner for a couple of years. I never touched it, but I never really knew what it was about. How'd you get yourself into this, making this device? Well, you know, when I was 13, I was playing football and I fell, I fell right on the side of my leg and I broke it.

So I think what happened over time is that turned into a signal of chronic pain. And then when I ran into the concept for it, I had some experience doing my facial work and massage for a partner of mine. So when I first had the apparatus, I was working on a different idea, just always been creative.

I squeezed my leg one day and I was like, what the hell is this? And it's basically, it's still the same thing. What is this thing? Because it's taught me more and more as the years have gone on. Yeah, it's amazing. Like for me, when I squeeze my calves and stuff like that,

it seems to have a huge advantage. But your background, you started out trying to get yourself out of pain, it sounds like with all kinds of different things, but maybe some of those things didn't work so well. Yeah, I used to sit on my bedroom floor with my legs up on a office desk chair, and under my back I would have four lacrosse balls,

and I would try to wiggle them on my spine and get feedback and get some good signal into it, try to expand the tissues. You know, I didn't really know what I was doing at that point, but it was just intuitive. And every three or four minutes, one of those balls runs away, you know, cause you just lose it under your spine.

And it's just like, there's gotta be a better way to do this, there's gotta be a better way. So when I stumbled into the tool, I thought, well, what else is possible? Can I do this in different areas of the body? I started around my torso and eventually ended up on the shoulder. And as soon as I hit that, I was like, there's something unique here that's not available anywhere else.

We're all using single rollers and things and there's mechanical advantage. So maybe there's something really to this. I think as we get into this, there's something. Are you able to mention what Thomas Myers told you? Yeah. And can you tell people who Thomas Myers is? I can say just in conversation, you know, I've sent a lot of these to people, and Thomas Myers wrote Anatomy Trains,

the book about my facial lines, and as soon as I discovered this tool, Meyers wrote Anatomy Trains, the book about my facial lines. And as soon as I discovered this tool, I thought, well, I need to start researching that stuff. Eventually I made one and sent it out to him. And he, no, the photos are right. He emailed me back and he said, you know, Steve, this is the best tool that we've ever seen, but we use hands. So, you know, their school is amazing, you know, Steve, this is the best tool that we've ever seen, but we use hands.

So, you know, their school is amazing, you know, and the work he's done has reverberated throughout the entire industry and through multiple modalities. So I really took that as a signal to me that I need to do something with this. You know, when a person like that says, hey, you've got a great thing here, go for it.

But you also have been studying a lot of different things over the years. Can you kind of tell us your story? So you broke your leg and then, were you trying to get into lifting more? I know you have a story with yoga and stuff like that too. Where you just kind of, what do you think you were searching for?

I didn't know it at first, but eventually it's this sensation that I kind of realized that the shape of fitness was wrong. And I'll get to that later, but after that pain, I was basically like a 13 year old kid that was this big. I was a very large child. So I was like a puppy with two big paws. And I fell on my leg.

So, okay, what's gonna happen 10 years down the line? I didn't know then. But as soon as I started to get some really funky signals in my back where I would be like 15, 16, wake up and my back is seized up, I started to plant seeds about, maybe fitness for you isn't the same as other people. Maybe you're going to need to focus on more inward. I had a couple of experiences working with someone in Kung Fu with a little bit of Kung

Fu early on. So I thought stretching was a good direction to go. And I was, you know, moderately mobile being a taller person. I feel like, you know, we have these long appendages, maybe it makes more tissue easier to go in different directions. But I ended up just, you know, 20, 25 years old weightlifting, doing a bodybuilding show once upon a time,

which was a lot of fun. You learn so much about how fast you can transition and change your body. And... How was Olympic lifting for you? I couldn't even do it. Couldn't even do it. I was gonna get to that.

I had a trainer at the time who tried to put me through some of the kind of conventional things. And it was always very difficult for me with lots of weight because that leg break, I believe, turned off a neurological channel in my spine. So I immediately started feeling structural pain after about three, 300 pounds, 315 pounds on a squat in particular.

And that's the most I ever squatted, 315, one or two times. And then my spine just said no after that. After that, I tried doing deadlifts, tried doing things conventionally, and every time I'd end up with two or three days of like bedridden or some kind of, you know, asymmetrical symptoms after that. So it was always very painful.

I want to mention real quick, I think what you mentioned there is important for a lot of people to understand, because it doesn't mean that squat and deadlifts, that these are bad movements. But if you're finding that you're doing these movements and you're just not having a great experience, no matter what you hear other people telling you to do, you should probably listen to your body.

And, you know, you could try to figure out ways to do it, but don't keep trying to beat that horse if it's not working for you, which I think a lot of people do, and then you gotta just demonize those movements. I think that happens with everything. In my yoga experience, there's so many little, is it this pose or is it that pose, or is it that or that?

Is this rotated or is that rotated? And you can get really granular with it. Whereas with the squat, you're doing kind of the same thing, but with different body parts to get one thing better. So it does have that massive benefit of like, hey, you know what, my output now is I can squat 1000 pounds. Like, whoa, like who could say that? Maybe like five people in this state

or in the, you know, in the, wherever you happen to be. One of them is right here. One of them is right here, right. But you know, you have associated drawbacks that may come in 10 years or 20 years from that, but it's no different for the other side of it, the range of it, you know. I have an incredible range of motion sometimes,

but because I started on an asymmetrical frame and didn't do enough rehabilitation, because I just didn't have that structure in my life at the time, I've ended up with more problems down the line. So I would totally agree, you know, it's about what you're doing, what you're focusing on, and keeping that in balance. When did you end up getting into yoga, by the way? I would say 2017, 2016-ish, I started,

because my roommate at the time said, hey, you're sitting in a desk for a job. I was doing some underwriting at the time and said, come into class. And I was like, oh, wow, I can't even do an arm balance. I should be able to do this, you know? And then it's like, why can't my arms hold me up in doing this posture?

Oh, it's about way more than just the arms. I'm not thinking about this correctly. So it started this whole cascade of transformation, really. Yeah, we've had other people on the show too talk kind of poorly about yoga. And I kind of find that interesting because you always just think, oh, yoga seems so innocent.

It seems like a good practice. Anyone who's ever done a yoga class can kind of recognize that there's some value to it. Like the instructor always has like a cool message and it seems like the vibe is a particular way. So if you're somebody that feels comfortable in that kind of space, then I'd imagine that going to that often and having similar people around you

probably makes you feel great. But there's some things that are done in yoga that maybe aren't the best practices, just like we can say about the gym, just like we can say about training and Seema mentioning squat bench deadlift. Maybe there's some good and there's some bad to it. Like if you try to do max squats

and you're not that proficient at them yet and you're going right up against your capacity, maybe often, maybe not for everybody, that's gonna be the best. And maybe there's some practices in yoga that maybe people should watch out for. Yeah, I think one of them that's kind of glaring right in the beginning, I was listening to the recent cast that came out this week

and I'm talking about energy efficiency and doing performances, doing things when you're at a submaximal level, when you don't have your 100% behind you. And I think that there is this kind of, not ethos, but a surge. Everybody's like, show up to class, be committed. Show up, show up. So I be committed, show up, show up.

So I go to 50 classes a month at times, like what? That's too much, you know? So just like I was hearing on the other cast, like I'd end up in this place where I'm trying to maybe do a handstand, but I'm at 30% of my capacity. Is that beneficial? Am I actually patterning good movement engrams in or am I causing more problems? Am I actually going to end up with a torn ligament or torn issue?

And I think the latter is the case because you're showing up to be part of the community, to show up for yourself, idealistically and physically, but then maybe there's too much, maybe you're asked to do too much and in the sweep of everybody else doing stuff around you, you get caught up in the group, you know? And, you know, I'll say first and foremost that I think that myself included, obviously,

but I think that teachers, yoga teachers, fitness teachers in general, are all in a space of, I'm trying to output my maximal good, from the perspective that I have. And we're all kind of weaving together in this storm of fitness that's happening and discovering things altogether.

And yoga, they are trying to, there's many different forms of yoga, but normally you're trying to hold a position, basic yoga, you're trying to hold a position for a couple minutes. Then the instructor asks you to move to another one, might hold it for two or three minutes. What's interesting about that is if,

you just observe yourself throughout the day, if you do things for a little bit too long, sometimes you get stagnant. Doesn't matter if for a little bit too long, sometimes you get kind of stagnant. Doesn't matter if it's walking, jogging, standing, sitting. Two or three minutes wouldn't be too long, but two or three minutes in some of these positions could be a little compromising because oftentimes you're trying to find your end range

of a particular movement. Yeah, and I think there's a relativity to understanding where those ranges are. There's a practice that's somewhat more esoteric called El Doha, where they try to get you to your end range and then contract in that end range to teach you how to facilitate that. But it's not, you know, you just can't start there.

You gotta start in a place of, what's the phrase, proximal development, right? In a space that's just challenging enough, but not too challenging, so that you're gonna have some merit, merit some benefit and some gain, but it's not gonna take you out for, you know, three, four days.

And when I used to go into the gym and just blast myself all the time, I'd be that way. And you just still do it until you can grind out. And then when I got into yoga, it was like, oh, I can do this even more so because I'm not hypertrophy blasting my muscles. I'm not going to be as sore tomorrow. I'm only like 10% sore. So I could just carry that day over day, over day, over day. And then you just end up,

I remember going into a few classes where it was just like, I'm here, but I'm not. I'm done. I just lay down the whole time. And the yoga teachers always say, you have permission to do child's pose anywhere, at any time. I'm like, now is my time.

Yeah. So. Makes me wonder if yoga, because you know, so many people speak pretty badly on it because of like all the passive range of motion that people get into and causes joint laxity, et cetera. But it makes me wonder. It's like you see some people who are able to have full control in these ranges, you

know, they're not passively getting in there. They're actively in, actively out. And you think, well, what's the problem if you have actual control over these very long ranges and you're able to, you're not just passively lax in there, you're in and out, but with pure control? What are your thoughts with that? Because you're an instructor for a long time. I think that what tends to happen is we get entranced in how we're doing things and then changing it at all makes us feel like maybe the bedrock of our education is invalid.

You know, like, oh, I told you for 10 years to do it like this. And then today I changed my opinion. I did something else, you know, and like that keeps people ingrained to where they are for long periods of time. And then when something, you know, shaky comes out that really challenges it, then maybe there's an issue. So for me, I see it as straight line and curved geometry. So we tend to think in straight lines. It's easy to do so. We look at buildings

and they're built in opposition to gravitation, so we think, oh, we wanna stack our bones and just, you know, kinda work like we see buildings. But we didn't evolve that way. We evolved through curve and translation, trying to oppose gravitation. So, you know, getting confused in those straight lines is really like being a dog watching television, you know, getting confused in those straight lines is really like being a dog watching television, you know?

It's like, oh, I understand some stuff going on here, but there's a lot behind the scenes that you just don't, you don't have a purview to. Yeah, yoga is kind of one of those things where somebody might have a capacity to move in these different directions, and they might be able to do it forever, like without any pain, just like we see sometimes with power lifting or Olympic lifting. they have a capacity to move in these different directions. And they might be able to do it forever,

like without any pain, just like we see sometimes with power lifting or Olympic lifting. So it's hard to say like, hey, that's wrong. You can't really just blanket statement, say those things. I mean, it's hard to have like proof how people do stuff and the effort they're putting in. People's capacity is a huge thing.

If someone's going, like if I went to a yoga class and I'm like, hey, I got hurt, I think people would be like, well, obviously you got hurt. But if it was a smaller person who was more mobile, they would be like, you got hurt doing yoga? They'd be like surprised and shocked. But I think one of the fallacies of everything that all of us are trying to do is that a lot of times,

I mean, think about it, you're trying to have a class, you're trying to have a class, a stretching class, with like a bunch of people in it. It kind of doesn't really make a lot of sense. Because if you're gonna power lift, or if you're gonna do some other type of lifting, you're not, I mean CrossFit does classes but we've seen what happens there as well.

Like having a class is not a great idea. Having a group of lifters, having four or five people that are on par with each other, I remember telling people many times, like, hey, can I work in on the bench with you? Like, no, you can't. This is- Too many plates to take off. Well, there's just I work in on the bench with you? Like, no, you can't. This is- Too many plates to take off.

Well, there's just, this is where the stronger guys are lifting, it's not so much about, it's about experience more so than it is about the strength level. And we know how to help each other, we know how to lift off for each other, all the little particulars that we might need, we know about all that.

And so doing these things in like these big groups, I think is catastrophic. And I think that's easy to point out rather than saying like, oh, I think this is wrong because you're moving this particular way. I mean, we can go back and forth on that a lot and we can have conjecture on that. But again, there's gonna be some bendy people

that love yoga, that feel great about it, and they're gonna always feel great about it, and they're going to always feel great about it. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think that there's certainly a lot left behind in the group classes because you just, the individual needs are left by the wayside, you know? And like you said, it's just, you know, you're there, but there's this momentum, right? And if you're caught in that momentum, then you're not gonna be able to stop

and do all of the little things that are gonna make it just right for you. Like you said, if you go into a yoga class and got hurt, it's like, well, because maybe I didn't have a block under my butt while I was doing this particular stretch, or, you know, whereas the other person, they just bent right into it because their spine allowed them to.

Well, it doesn't mean that their spine is in better health than yours, I would say, because it could be that they're bendy like that because there's a space in their body that they're able to borrow from. And that borrowing eventually ends up with like this bent spoon snap, right? You bend a spoon enough times, where does it bend

or where does it break? It breaks at that small connective point. It doesn't break in the strong points. That's just like our pain. You feel the pain in these tiny areas and it's going to cause something eventually if you ignore it long enough. Myself, I've actually had two injuries in my life

from working with a wall directly. So working with foreign leverage can be very dangerous if you don't yet understand what you're doing. Like you're saying, everybody's body is going to be different when you enter a certain activity. How did it happen? In high school, I was doing a leg stretch on a wall and I did a pivot my left foot, and my knee bent sideways, so I believe that I- Whoa, whoa, whoa, can you describe that again, please?

Knee bent sideways, so I believe that I tore cartilage in my left knee, but that was on top of already breaking that same leg. So that was on the same leg. Same leg. You were showing off. Probably, probably. I remember the action, I don't remember what I was doing.

You remember those sudden moments. Well, you forget a wall is like yielding your energy. And if you're trying to do particular stretches, like if trying to do a particular stretch into a wall or even away from a wall, it's just a way different stretch than if you didn't use the wall at all. So you gotta kind of, you gotta just understand

that it might feel way different when you're utilizing anything, any implement, whenever you utilize any implement and you're doing anything new or different, you gotta be very cautious. Yeah, the wall's a synthetic environment, right? We're used to ground reaction forces traveling axially up through the spine, right,

from our feet being on the ground. But as soon as you change the environment at all, like if you're on your back, you know, you're more like a fish and your spine moves left to right very easily because the orientation of gravitation traveling through it is different. So all of these different positions basically that we put our bodies into are gonna stimulate

part of what I call the movement vortex. You know, your body is this vortex or vortices like a storm of different spiraling joints and muscles. And the eventuality or the culmination of that is you're a walking storm of potential. And your storm is different than mine and that gives us our differentiated abilities that come naturally to us.

And then trying to retune that storm, it's a very delicate and long-winded process. You really have to get in there and change all the electrical currents and change where, you know, all of the resources are coming from. And if it's dirty food or dirty practice or anything, it can end up being a very dangerous thing.

It seems like you've connected quite a bit with a lot of the things functional patterns does. And you, you know, you're with your body lever, you're kind of swinging that thing and twirling around like some numb chucks and you're hooking it to the cables and then you're doing a lot of like twisting type stuff. Have you found that some of that type of movement has been a great way for you to express your body,

your strength and if you found benefit to it, why do you think it's providing so much way for you to express your body, your strength, and if you found benefit to it, why do you think it's providing so much benefit for you? I go back to spiral force, thinking about functional patterns and expanding, thinking about David Weck and Weck method at the same time. They're kind of in a similar realm, as I've heard and Seema say before, you know, rotational potential is how I see all of the movement and what, you know, putting the body lever linked up to something, what

it does is it forces my body to create spiral actions to move it efficiently through space. My original idea with the body lever was actually a functional handle, very similar to the RG bar. And one day I had two of them, I thought, Oh, I'm going to put them on two different cables and I clipped it together. And that's how I came up with the body lever. It's like, Oh, it's two handles. And now seven years later, eight years later, I go back and connect it to a machine again. And now it's two handles. So one hand pulling and one hand pushing, it creates this interesting coiling mechanic and a really neat shape.

You make the Fibonacci spiral when you're utilizing this tool through space. The Fibonacci spiral is just, and it's an expanding coil or it's a mathematical equation. Did you make it up? What is this thing? No, no, no, no. The Fibonacci spiral is an expression in mathematics

that's based on a expanding number. The sequence is zero, one, one, two, three, five, eight, and on and on and on. You add the first number to the second number and then it expands out from there. My belief is that the core of movement mechanics is actually based on that spiral. Because- It's like a tornado.

Yeah, yeah, very much so. You would see the funnel moving up and out in a proportion similar to it. But in our mechanics, I believe that if you were to think of the shape of human movement, we're not straight buildings like we were talking about before where these coils, David Weck talks about the dual coil system

and we have a coil extension and reflexes going through all of our appendages and the hands and feet being the most sensitive. If you look at the motor unit homunculi, it's a model of how much information we receive from our hands and feet. There's so much from them that I'm led to think that we really do think through rotating and articulating our appendages and that our spine responds as like a lag force as a stretch force. I reframe stretching as lag. It makes more sense to me this way because it's an automatic response, your body trying to hold things together when you've already made an action.

So if we were to sit into it, like you're saying in the yoga classes, oh, it's a lag force. My body's just trying to slow down to keep me together here. Well, what if I sit in that for 20 minutes? That's a problem, you know, imbalance in one way. Yeah, maybe a little too aggressive, right? Just kind of hang out in that position for way too long. Yeah, yeah. Anything in its extremity is definitely going to cause some kind of issue, right? Yeah, I've found that like some of the stuff that there's so much crossover between all these groups that fight against each other.

You know, you got Gota, you got Wek, you got FP. They all hate that I even bring any of them up together. I think when I first started trying to just get more athletic and move a little differently, I made like a post where I thanked all of them. And I was, each one of them reached out and said, don't, please, yeah, please, please don't, you know, don't even shout us, don't even bother to like tag us

or shout us out. And I was just like, what the, you know, whatever. I get it. Everyone's trying to have their own little piece of the pie. And it sounds like, what's cool about it from someone that's not in it is that I can observe, oh, all of these people have found out some really cool things. And I'm gonna utilize a little bit from each one

because I think what they found is true. I think what they found is magnificent. I think rest and restoration, a great place for that is on the ground. That's what Gota talks about quite a bit. A lot of other people have shared the same thing coming on the podcast I think they have a lot of good Things to communicate about the ankles FP there's just so much going on there. I think they have a

Really great base a lot of the things that they say If you are trying to be athletic and be able to move well, it's a great idea if your main goal is sprinting. Like I like that idea, that concept, because a lot of people are kind of just lifting maybe without a lot of purpose, or they're just trying to maybe get bigger or maybe get stronger,

but maybe they're not recognizing that they could be doing some of those things to the detriment of some other things. And it's good for them just to have awareness, even if they don't care about movement and they just wanna get big, it's good for them to just know, like, hey, you can still be big and you can still move well

if you practice some other things as you're kind of going for it. And so I think, and Weck obviously has a lot of great, the Double Down, the Weck vest, his BOSU ball, his inventions, his creativity. But even more recently, when I'm listening to him, I'm like, wow, that sounds just like Gota when they were here.

It's pretty interesting. I know that they're all, they all kind of started around the same time. And I think they've all been evolving at the same time. You know, what's interesting to me about that is there's a parallel. I see it as a parallel of like the Manhattan Project, right? We discovered that there's this possibility

of nuclear potentiation. And then we got a bunch of the best minds together. We figured it out and we created new power and new destruction. So why aren't we doing that now with fitness? We have all of these different people, you know, I even have a post where I showed one of David Weck's inventions, the rope flow rope and the body lever

and one of FP's tools, the lever king. And I think they're all what I call prime tools. They represent our anatomy in some way. And you want to use tools that are shaped like your anatomy because that's consistent with reality. If you're using something that's not shaped like you, it might cause bad signals. But the crossover, like you said, there's so much because we're one organism, you know?

You get into some of these places in fitness or in health where it's like, well, that's okay for you. It's like, no, medical science exists because there's some consistency, right? Like we all have 600 plus muscles, but they're different sizes, but the mechanics involved are very similar because we're all overcoming the same problem.

We're all a gravitational windmill in essence. I think of it as this lag force and contraction force in unconscious balance. We're just intending to go someplace. And then fitness and working out is included in that intent, right? And then we get encapsulated in whatever box we decide to put ourselves in.

What interests you the most now as far as like the stuff you've been putting together? I would say convergence, you know, like he said, there's so much going on in different places. My mind has always looked for a dark place in the forest. And I listened to a lot of Jordan Peterson, and he says that if you're looking for answers to look in the darkest place. And right now, I've warring with how to present my opinion, I guess my findings, about some symbols we have had in the past and in the present. Mainly the swastika, which is not of origin that people believe that it is.

In this country at least, there's a deeper origin in Jainism and in yoga and Buddhism. That symbol represents integration. So I think it's a lost symbol. Yeah, you can see that it's conflated with- Coming off the heels of Elon Musk. Yeah, and his- With his symbol during the speech. Right, right.

Oh yeah, it was just his was just as autism speaking right? It was a saying this is heart. His heart goes out is what he's my heart I never seen someone do it quite that way before yeah, I won't I won't divulge into that I you know I'm trying to get to the bedrock of the symbols without trying to tell people what to do with their lives You know by the way, let's come, we'll come back to this, but I found it so funny cause like for a minute I was like, nah, there's no way. Like, nah, it probably is his, just his excitement.

And I was that person who was like, nah, it's just his excitement. My girl was like, nah, he threw that up. I was like, nah, it's Elon, it's excitement. I come here, talk to, talk to two people that work here. They're like, they're, they're white also. And they're like, nah, he threw that up. I'm here, talk to, talk to two people that work here. They're like, they're, they're white also. And they're like, nah, he threw that up. I'm like, wow. So I'm the black guy who's defending Elon Musk. Okay. You know what? You're right. He threw that

shit up. Okay. Let's get back to this. Nice. He just wanted to get rid of the stigma, maybe. I don't know. Or maybe he's part of some party that we're not aware of. Well, the symbol is divorced from what we saw in World War II. And there's some countries that are more sensitive to it than others. And if you go talk to people in other places, they're like, yeah, what's the other thing, you know? It really is context just like everything else.

So what is this symbol? Well, that's what I'm going to get at. The symbol is a sign of integration. And if you look at old mandalas in the yoga tradition, it's in a center place. Like, there's a reason for that. And to me, I think of it as the body, right? in the yoga tradition, it's in a center place. Like there's a reason for that. And to me, I think of it as the body, right?

It's a physical manifestation. There's an integrated manner by which all of our appendages travel together, like we were talking about earlier. And I think, I believe that because that symbol is missing in that practice, they're overextending themselves. I overextended myself for years because I wasn't thinking about keeping everything together. I was thinking about getting as expansive as possible, right?

So I was borrowing, borrowing, borrowing, and then snap. My second injury, which I didn't get to on the wall, was during a class I was teaching. And it happened to me and I was able to contain it. But then later I went, what was that hot pop in my leg? Same leg same leg same side and I got a hot pop in my lower spine From doing something on a wall that was just I had too much leverage overextended myself and went Oh, what was that? I was able to teach through it, through the pain.

And then over the next four weeks, while I was doing some work and making body levers, because I make a bunch of them by hand, I slowly got stiffer and stiffer and stiffer until someone said like, hey, man, something's going on. You look stiff and you don't ever look that way. So. I noticed a couple of cool words that you used.

You said, look in the darkest places. So what does that mean to you after listening to some Jordan Peterson? Cause you and I have had pretty long in-depth conversation about how you listening to Jordan Peterson really helped you and kind of saved your life, I guess, in some ways, right? In some ways, yeah. You know, I listened to his accounts of him walking around the world

and people approaching him and saying like, hey, thank you, man, you know, and being super kind to him, which is like, oh, people actually really nice, you know, he's a controversial figure. And I think to myself, like, did I stumble into pulling the body lever out of the ether and now it's my Excalibur? Oh, great. Oh, great. Oh, wait, now I'm Arthur and I'm responsible for bringing this into the world.

But at some point, maybe that will happen to me where people will approach me and say, hey, thank you for that. And that has- I thanked you for it today. Exactly, you know? And like, just that kind of thing, like that drives me forward

when I've been standing at the machine for hours, like in pain, making it happen no matter what. It's a big reason why you're here is because you've been making these things by hand and we recognize just how dope that is. We're like, this is awesome. This guy's all heart and the heart is part of the body lever logo, which is cool.

Yeah, Lev actually means heart in Hebrew. So I put it right there for a reason. So it would be body lover, body lever, self lev, self love, all of these kind of double entendres. Gotta get me one of those body lovers. Yeah, right, right. Get a good squeeze on. Darkest places.

Yeah, going back to the darkest place, the key to what you're looking for philosophically is in the darkest place. It's that place where your mind is hiding the answer or your ego is hiding the answer. We think of the ego as something like perpetual, like evil things sometimes, but really it's not. It's something that we all have that helps us navigate the world. So it's hiding certain aspects of the world from you. And those are the dark places. And if you go into those dark places,

you'll find the things that you're not adhering to, the things that are making your life difficult. Kind of the places you don't want to go, even when you're just by yourself thinking your own thoughts, no one else can even see them're just by yourself, thinking your own thoughts. No one else can even see them, or no one else even knows they exist maybe, but there are things you're ashamed of. There's things that you've done maybe, and maybe we can say it's a good idea

to probably sort of like clean out your closet a little bit. It's a good idea to like go back and say, oh shit, I think maybe that's why I acted that way during that time period. That wasn't great. Like I need to, I need to get my shit together. I need to do better. I need to be a better person moving forward. I can't believe I treated that person that way. You know, fuck that person, I'm not going to call them. But moving forward, I need to make sure

I don't treat people that way anymore. Or maybe you do call that person and maybe apologize for the way you were acting. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, I need to make sure I don't treat people that way anymore. Or maybe you do call that person and maybe apologize for the way you were acting at that time. But I think it's hard for us to realize when somebody is acting a particular way,

it's hard in the moment to be like, oh, well, that guy's just in a rough spot in his life. Maybe that guy has an alcohol problem or maybe he has a issue with his kids and he's taking it out. Like, you don't really think that way. You just know the person's like hurting you. What could be true, you know?

That really changed a lot for me when I, you know, my father was a very intense verbal person and I kind of garnered a bunch of that and I really had to calm myself down over the years. But it's great for creativity when you want to fire around a bunch of ideas. You know, what could be true? It's like you could be in traffic and angry at this person who like cut you off in traffic

or whatever, but like maybe they have a kid in the car who broke their leg and you're the one that's in the way, right? And it's like, oh wait, what could be true for that person's situation? And that's why I think Deepak Chopra talks about the car being the ultimate spiritual challenge because you're constantly challenged to allow people in front of you.

It's this constant forgiveness, it's constant, constant, constant. So if you wanna have a spiritual experience, go get in gridlock traffic and try to forgive everybody. You'll transcend yourself. And I've practiced that, doing that, listening to podcasts, Jordan Peterson, Alan Watts, driving around the Pacific Northwest.

My wife is like, no one's getting in front of me. And I'm like, everyone can get in front of me. I don't care, I never even really front of me. I don't care. I never even really thought about it. I like to just keep a certain space. I kind of drive a little bit like a grandpa. I mean, I'll go a little bit fast here and there, but I like to, yeah, have like, I don't know,

five to seven car lengths. I'm like, I'm good. I don't need to be, I mean, I'm not going anywhere any faster pressed up against the back of someone's car. Right. And you know, when we went to Davis, you parked outside of town, I was like, why are we parking over here?

He just walks right into the Cava bar, like, oh, there's no parking in town. So when you're patient, you notice all of the factors that are actually gonna impact on the thing you do. Yeah, why get stressed out about a parking spot? Just park where no one else parks. Right, right. Jumping back to the symbolism.

Of the swastika. Swastika, yes. I would say, and back to FP, integration, you know, and the dark place. I think that's the answer. That symbol is the answer FP is even looking for, but they don't wanna look there because they don't wanna to look into yoga.

I'm going to tell you right now, there's a ton of really great stuff in yoga. In fact, when I took the 10 week program, the first five weeks being my facial work and all of the stuff that was talked about in posture, my first 200 hour yoga teacher training was with a gentleman who had 15 years in the medical field. He taught me all that stuff. Most of it anyway.

It just wasn't in the same context, you know, because in yoga, you're on your lily pad of the mat. You're not doing everyday activities. So there is this embedded ethos and deep, deep, deep, deep, deep research, but it's just been stratified. It's been stratified and kind of thrown in every direction because now we have how many different styles of yoga, you know, you can't even name it at this point. I consider it a four-letter word now because there's just so much going on with it. I Just can't even define it So for me I try to divorce myself from the traditional practices and I incorporate things that I've discovered over the years That have really worked

Namely functional handles like I was saying before or out in the gym The idea started as a single side, you know, I was saying before, or out in the gym, the idea started as a single side. You know, I was attaching it to a cable machine. It's a functional handle. The reason I was doing that is I was trying to fix my chronic pain. The reason I discovered that was because I went to yoga classes and I was like, oh, it's not all just lifting weights. There's all of these different dynamic things. And there's a little massage practice too. How can I try to integrate all this stuff together? And then the body lever itself as a tool,

as a guru has taught me year over year because all a guru really is is an object, a person, or a thing that removes obstacles from your path and this being pain, chronic pain. Do you think a tool is like imperative because that's, I mean, that's what separates us out from the other animals, right? The other animals can kind of be taught to use certain things a little bit and there's like birds that will use rocks

and they'll drop them into water so they can get the water. Like there's really smart, the animals are really smart. Otters with a rock and they smash the shells open and stuff like that. And maybe some of these animals are even smarter than us in some ways, because they don't even need language. They don't need a phone. They communicate with each other with sonic noises and like.

Magnetism and telepathy, who knows, right? Yeah, there's a lot of things we still don't even fully understand about like octopus and dolphins and all this stuff, right? Yeah, there's a lot of things we still don't even fully understand about like octopus, dolphins, and all this stuff, right? But for the most part, I think one thing that separates us out and allows us to be the apex predator is our usage of tools. 100%, 100%.

You know, you look at the hand difference between us and even our closest relatives, and just the smallest structure difference and they can't grip things like we do. And then you talk to David Weck and he talks about this core fist concept where you have these overlapping fingers and digits and I created a handle based on that.

That's my Helix Mace handle. It's like getting a grip on the universe. Those sorts of things really do play into how all of our movements manifest. Spiral geometry, first and foremost, we're just misdirected with all of our endeavors. Yeah, when you have a tool, it seems like it just allows you to utilize your whole body. Like if you swing a mace, I mean, you can swing a mace and have it, I guess, pull or torque you a particular way, but it's kind of hard to start to swing these things,

especially when they have appropriate weights on them without just having your body want to go with it. Right. Well, I think that the way that it's always been is that our environment has always dictated that velocity was the thing that we wanted, right? Because we're all using stick and stone weapons with, you know, defending ourselves against animals

and against each other, right? So it's very important for us to have these skills, whereas now we've forgotten how to handle them properly. So we're picking up different tools that have been made synthetically, right? Like thinking about the dog watching TV, the first tool that we started using for weightlifting, for example, in my understanding is the kettlebell, right?

So we had just had a weight and we attached a symmetrical handle to it. That makes sense, right? You can pick it up off the ground. You use it to weigh your goods against other farmers' goods. And that's what we started using first. Well, then I think the evolution of fitness apparatus came out of that kind of perspective,

like, hey, when we lift these things, our muscles get bigger. That know, that's pretty cool. You know, I'm going to do that some more. Well, what if we make something else that's easier to handle or, you know, all these different things? So we end up with this whole industry built on this idea that, okay, we want to follow this arc of human potentiality.

But in my estimation, that's only one of so many. I have a couple of theories I've got on my Instagram about the matrix of connections of your body and how all the spiral actions are integrated, like you're saying, and you swing a mace, your whole body travels with that. And if it's disjointed, and in the past we were responsible for defending our village, and you had disjointed actions, well, someone that could read your combat language could come out and disarm you and take you out, and then the village is done for. So it was important in the past, and we just haven't had to be responsible for defending ourselves in that way in a couple hundred years.

be responsible for defending ourselves in that way in a couple hundred years. Quick question going back to the yoga bit, because you mentioned like, you know, you've learned a lot from yoga, and there's so many different types, especially now here in the US. How about its origins? Because, you know, you hear that yoga, like a lot of people look at it as just a stretching practice, but it has its roots in something deeper, not here. So when you're speaking about yoga, are you speaking about original yoga? Are you speaking about, I know, and you just mentioned there's so many different forms, so like, what are you?

There's, yeah, I mean, it's as long as the history of it is. If you start looking on the web, there is just like, there is research into antiquity about the mental practice, right? And I believe in that. I meditate, you know, I do so actively. I try to meditate in my walking life. I think that's the real practice of it,

is integrating the two things into your conscious action. As far as mental training, like there's no better system that's out there, you know. I think that it's just likely that a physical practice has been painted or encapsulated around that religious core and people are drawn to the religiosity of it and the free space of religious expression that is afforded to people by teaching or being president in those places and all of those kind of flowery things that you mentioned earlier that people are thinking they're doing well and wanting to do good for people. But the origin of westernized yoga is conflated.

I see things in the past like primitive gymnastics that was come up with in Sweden by a Nazi, actually, and a bunch of the early... Coming up with the best shit, these Nazis, huh? This particular man was also homosexual, so he had his own conflictions from within that structure to deal with, whatever those were. I tend to think that because of their very esoteric research into psychic energies and all the other weird stuff

they were into, there's no reason to think that they wouldn't try to come up with psychological weapons. Now, I don't wanna say this while trying to tell anybody how to live their lives, but to me, what I've seen in the book, Primitive Gymnastics, is the origin of the yoga sequence, the sun salutation. So if you go on the web and you look this book up, there are images of these people doing performative arts,

both partner and single, in a way that looks a lot like yoga. And I am under the impression that many of the early influencers of the craft had met with these people and this is greatly forgotten. And those walls go, those are great. Right, I know they're little wooden dowels. Yeah, I could build you some. That'd be sick.

Yeah, yeah, next week. No, soon enough. That'd be cool. Bring some of, next week, no. Soon enough, that'd be cool. Bring some of those in here with some of the Maces and such. Still used in a lot of Eastern European wrestling rooms. You'll see them and then pull up our attach at the top. Yeah, used for a lot of stretching and leveraging. All it is is just a wall full of a bunch of different dowels. And I think everything's sort of,

it looks like everything's kind of, I guess you'd say bolted down so that you can kind of get leverage against it or push or pull or squat with it and not have it rip out of the wall. Yeah, it's like a multi-level squat bar, but you can, there's a bunch of different spots to leverage from.

And people make, they make like little stretchy stations at the gym, you'll see those sometimes and they kind of have similar vibe to them, but it's kind of made with like rope and sometimes the rope can move a little bit and those are kind of cool too. Or you have the big metal boxes like they have at Gymnazo. Love that spot by the way.

Those are amazing. You get all these different relationships and you can work into the stretch and actually get the right feedback rather than sagging into the joints, which is so cool. You were saying you thought there were some answers in, you thought there were some answers for functional patterns in yoga.

Do you have specifics on what you think? Yeah, I mean, it's that symbol. You know, if you look at that symbol, it's the answer FP is looking for. It's right there. It's obvious. If you just insert the integration symbol into the center of what they're talking about,

hey, look, now there's 2,000 years of us believing that this is the way that things are organized, right? Or more than that, I'm sure it's more than that. That society's- Are you kind of saying that yoga has similar beliefs or similar principles or crossover principles? I tend to think that yoga has lost the way because that symbol is no longer in our view. We're extraordinarily story apt beings.

We live through stories and symbols for a reason. They're drawn on caves for a reason. With that symbol missing, we're not paying attention to the fact that all of our limbs want to move with one another. And when we're stripping away from that integration by making one limb move one way and one limb move the other, maybe we're actually pulling apart this symbol of integration that's actually created our society over time, whether it's social integration or physical integration or mental and spiritual integration. It's all a spiral of potential. And that's really my deeper theory is that

there's a great spiral that is the center or the lattice for all of this stuff to run on. And we're just making the mistake of trying to translate ourselves through reality and straight lines when we need to be more curved like David, like FP. Maybe we distracted ourselves with a lot of different like products and inventions over the years. You know, Arthur Jones, you know, he made some great products.

He made the Cybex machines and I think it was called Eagle something before that. But he made those first cams of the, you know, leg extensions, leg curls, and all the different machines that we've seen. A lot of our great bodybuilders that motivated, you know, thousands upon millions of people over the years.

You see people on the leg extension, their legs are all jacked, and we see people on some of these different machines. And I think they were great motivators. And I still think there's utility in some of those movements. I think I still do some of those movements myself. But it's just interesting how those movements,

it's just interesting how those movements kind of came along and they're sort of, they sort of became a thing because fitness became a thing, because bodybuilding became a thing. But it doesn't really mean that bodybuilding is like necessarily in our best interest. It also doesn't mean that bodybuilding is in our worst interest,

but it's probably somewhere, you know, somewhere in the middle. And some of those machines, I guess, just kind of help us to get to some of those goals that we might have for like hypertrophy and stuff like that a little faster. Yeah, it's a continuum, you know? You start in one place and then it becomes something else.

Just like the body lever was just one stick and you turn it into a stick with knobs and then with other things, it evolves. And fitness is no different. We're just coming back around and going, oh, maybe we need to misdirect this or change this a little bit, you know? And just understanding that,

oh, bodybuilding is fricking awesome, right? Like you can grow your potentiality and your maximum output. And I wouldn't be here if I hadn't watched, maybe one too many Ronnie Coleman videos, right? And there's benefit to that, but it's just not all of fitness. And I think FP is a challenging voice to kind of contend with because they're like, hey, let's pull it back.

And it's just these fundamental things, right? I think they're missing a couple. I think catching and jumping are of the six fundamental things that the skeleton can do. And I actually have a real theory about that. It's in my Instagram. That's under the flow equilibrium or yeah the flow equilibrium. So like explain explain that in a way that everyone will be able to understand the catching and

jumping. Why do you think those are fundamental? Because I know for a fact I've seen on one of their posts they don't believe jumping is fundamental. So it goes back to fundamental geometry. So it's not even about human mechanics, it's about reality itself and how we respond to it. You know, like reality is a spiral-natured thing. We're a spiral-natured thing. So if we're responding in an erroneous way, it's going to catch us wrong. It's going to get us in trouble, essentially. So, thinking... Can you repeat that? Oh, just explain why you believe that catching and jumping should be part of like the walk, run, throw, sprint.

The potential of the skeleton itself. This bleeds into what I call my prime theory about tools. Tools should resemble our anatomy. And if they don't, they're gonna cause those problems. So, having a hard time with this one. You want to repeat one more time, I'm sorry. We can edit. Do you need me to actually repeat it or you just need to think?

Just to think. No, just to repeat the question again. Okay. Why do you think that catching and jumping are part of like fundamental human movements? I mean, I think FP has walk, run, sprint, throw for fundamentals. Why should catching and jumping be added to that? Well, because the direction the detention goes, right? If you are only doing four out of six things

that are actually the potentials, then you're actually limiting your body's expression. Now, with the body lever, I discovered that there were those four things because those are based on how the skeleton interacts with itself, right? So the skeleton interacting with itself produces six unique types of vectors,

and they're only attributing to four types of vectors. And those other two types are catching and jumping. And those come from what I call spherabolic travel. We were talking a little bit about this earlier. When you deviate from thinking about straight lines and you go into the curvature and think about how that curvature manifests into the skeleton, you can swing things, right?

You can throw things and then catching and jumping are involved with something called hyperbolic travel, where it's something you talked about kind of briefly the other day where like when you jump and you land, what's the sensation when you land? Like you don't control that. That's all like a lag force, as I call it. It's your body catching you from hitting the ground.

So aren't we doing that in every single step? It doesn't gate mechanics have catching in it in every step that we take. So if you're not, yeah, if you're not accounting for it in some way, shape or form, then it's missing in the overall equation. And then if you're thinking about catching specifically, it's what I call a distally driven activity.

So you can be doing a proximally driven activity like running, for example. So running is your spine undulating side to side, creating this force that's going out through the limbs. And you're dissipating that force by throwing the limbs through the air and hitting the ground in the way that you do. But you can do that activity and turn and catch a football at the same time because you have two different systems, two different rotational systems that are functioning at the same time. You're distal and you're proximal.

So those two systems interacting with one another create those six different types of movement. So FP has only accounted for four of those. And I believe that those other two are imperative, you know. All right, Mark, you're getting leaner and leaner, but you always enjoy the food you're eating. So how you doing it? I got a secret, man.

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Patrick Mahomes, where he actually practices finesse. He actually practices trying to make stuff look good. His coach will have him do something that's tiring. He'll have him do something where his heart rate goes through the roof. And we see this with tactical people as well. They'll have them do a drill. Maybe they do, I don't know,

maybe they do 25 burpees as fast as they can. And then maybe they got to run to a station and aim their gun and like shoot at something because they're trying to have it mimic the fight or flight response that they might get into. But this idea of like finessing things sometimes, it doesn't really get talked about that much. And it is the very essence of,

okay, all these guys are great athletes, but that guy's got something completely different about him that I've never seen. In football, they'll call it touch. The guy will like throw the ball and rather than me just throwing a dart to you, I just lob it up over. The defender almost touches the ball.

The linebacker almost hits the ball, and it just perfectly lands right in your hands. And you don't really, it's kind of an aspect, it's off topic of what you were talking about about the catching and some of that, but it's on point with the fact that, when I played football, I was a tight end, I used to catch the ball.

And when you catch the ball, it's coming to you. Sometimes you're wide open. Sometimes when you're wide open, you actually lose a little bit of finesse rather than get more concentration. Sometimes you lose your concentration a little bit, but there is a finesse. We used to throw the ball to certain guys,

and the guys would drop it, and we would say, you got hands like feet, because they're super uncoordinated with trying to catch the ball. Their arms would cross over or something. And there's a lot of touch that happens when you are trying to, you're trying to like allow the ball to come to you slowly,

even though the quarterback might've put some gas on the ball. Right, right. It's, you know, it's also like, think about Nikola Jokic in basketball, how he can throw him, LeBron, stuff, how they throw certain passes. Think about how like Messi receives a ball when he's like his touch, him or Neymar or any of these guys when they receive a ball.

It's like, there's this, like you mentioned, level of finesse, a level of fluidity that they have that is just very, very smooth, where other people can do it and you can just tell it's not as clean, it's not as smooth and within, some people just say you train that in your sport, but yeah, how does one attain that, you know? I think that Bruce Lee said it in one statement. He said, I'm not afraid, I think I'm getting the quote right. I'm not afraid of the man who's studied a thousand punches.

I'm afraid of the man who's done one punch a thousand times. It's that finesse, that level of like, I can get this punch through any amount of defense you could possibly try because I've done it in every situation possible, you know? Or when you're swinging things like baseball bats, you swing a bunch of different types of bats. And as an aggregate, you get good at doing all of those activities.

Well, every type of swing that you do gets better as a result. So in the arm balancing and handstand world, that's the focus. Finesse is the focus, man. If you can look like you have an anti-gravitational machine, like, that's kind of what people are looking for. And it tends to be very torsion-y without knowing it, and very tippy. And you're learning body mechanics that are very, very different in its balance aspect, but very similar to, say, deadlifting. Doing a handstand press is very similar to,

like, getting your hips in a very particular position and balancing your skeleton and getting the potential to move in space, but you're contracting in a different way and you're trying to get to a different place eventually. So there's a similar mechanic, but the storm is different. Like I was saying earlier, you know, I can do handstand presses, but there's no way I can squat, you know? So I can make one work because my body's storm allows me to do that.

Yeah, I think one of the greatest football players of all time and one of the greatest nicknames of all time was Walter Payton. They called him Sweetness. And he was a running back and he, you know, Walter Payton was probably right around 200 pounds, but he like, he ran people over. Actually he, it was kind of funny

because he was known for having this finesse. He was known for, he was also known for running these hills. Epically, he would run these hills till he like barfed. And then other players copied that, Jerry Rice, LaDamian Thompson, other Hall of Famers. But watching these clips of him here, he's just running people over, but he's using different speeds.

That's the thing that stands out the most to me, is yeah, he's moving his feet around a lot and he's dodging people and he's quick, he's graceful, he's got so much grit is what people appreciated about him the most. He's just like, absolutely just running people over. And I think that for some reason that got lost in the message because he was called sweetness

because of how he moved. But I remember as a kid watching him run down the sidelines and he would run, let's just say argument sake, he's running like 16 miles an hour. All of a sudden he would run, let's just say, argument's sake, he's running like 16 miles an hour. All of a sudden he would run like 20 miles an hour. Then he'd slow back down to like 14 and he would do a change up like they do in baseball. They do a change up in baseball and then the guy can't hit it anymore. So it's just a really, really cool to have that capacity as an athlete and to be able to do it on game day the way that he did it. Yeah, skeleton control.

And that reminds me of jujitsu, right? Cause you have, like wrestling is this like all out thing, but jujitsu, there's these moments of like gauging it and gauging your opponent much more, you know, even to the point of like not letting them know your breathing pattern and breathing quiet and being like, you know being as sneaky as you can about that sort of stuff.

I get what you're saying with wrestling, but that exists in wrestling too. I know it looks high speed, I know it looks more powerful, but high level wrestlers do that too. There's a point of high tempo and low tempo. You know what I mean? You're not going 100% all the time even though the speed seems that way.

So it exists in both, but I do understand what you're not going 100% all the time, even though the speed seems that way. So it exists in both, but I do understand what you're saying. It kills you when someone does that. When someone changes their speed on you, like if you're trying to wrestle or grapple with somebody, and they're going hard, going hard, going hard, and they slow down, you're like, oh, okay, they slowed down. Then boom, they just destroy you sometimes

with coming back in fast. That's the cool thing about what both of you guys are talking about, because like about because like, Walter, he's not running full blast the whole play. He knows when he needs to put his foot on the gas, he knows when he needs to take his foot off. When he sees somebody, he knows he better just like, put his shoulder pads down low and just try to run him over.

How do I dance around these guys here? Yeah. That's really cool. I really did want to touch on one particular thing that I've been looking at and thinking about for some time, kind of tapping back to Tom Myers. They talk about trigger points, you know, and that's been a big thing in the world of myofascial work for a long time. More recently, there was a type of cell discovered and it's not super well known. It's called a fascicite.

And it seems to me that these cells are collected in the places that we may have trigger points. What these fascicites do is they produce hyaluronic acid. So it's that stuff that you see in your tears, you know, it's the fluid that innervates and lubricates everything. So my belief is that when you do myofascial work, whether it's with the body lever or any kind of roller or ball, you're stimulating these fascicites to essentially lubricate and continue to work optimally. I've had many instances where I'll hit something on my body and then the next day I have reverberating

changes just because of that one release of maybe a small space, but deeper places definitely take a lot longer. And I tend to think that that's where these cells are collected and they're trying to do the most work. And that might be a good signal points, things to pay attention to, where you feel these deep collections to really be working around those areas as much as you can.

Yeah, we've been talking about Myofascial release stuff quite a bit on the show. And shout out to Kelly Sturett too, because he's a pioneer of so many of these things as well. And we just, we sometimes forget, he's a good friend, and we sometimes kind of forget, he's been talking about all the stuff that we've been talking about on the show

for many, many years, including the Myelfascia Release type work. But I've noticed, you know, when I do that kind of work, I'm always kind of fascinated by like, not so much like where did this come from? I'm not stupefied by that. I kind of know like, okay, I was running yesterday, so my calves and shins kind of hurt.

But I do sometimes find something in a different location and I'm like, oh, that's kind of weird that that hurts. What's even more strange is that I had no idea that there was like a pain button there. I had no idea that there was this spot, this trigger point that's causing like a referred pain. I mean, sometimes you find something in your elbow or your forearm and it goes all the way down

into like your fingers. And you're like, this was not anything that I deadlifted yesterday, I did this last week. You didn't even notice it at all. But it's just like sitting in your body. So I wonder how many people haven't really messed around with any myofascial release that had these things in their body.

And I kind of wonder, you're saying like it's freeing up some stuff, but it's not only freeing up your body, it's also freeing up your mind. I mean, there's a mind-body connection and there's some philosophical things maybe going on when you're getting rid of some of these, some of this like scar tissue, if you will.

But it even goes beyond that because if you just have confidence that you can run, jump, punch, throw, defend yourself, you don't feel sick, you don't feel tired, you don't feel really sore, your confidence and things like that are just, they're way different. When you walk into the gym

and you kind of have something going on in your calf and you look at the box that you wanted to jump on for the day, you're like, ah. Maybe today, maybe not today. You're not as motivated to do that movement. And maybe this is something that is plaguing a lot of people and they don't even really know it. They don't understand that,

because we'll get questions about motivation all the time. And maybe just some of this work, along with a couple other habits, but maybe some of this work would be some low hanging fruit to actually introduce you into some fitness because there's a lot of work that goes on when you're doing myofascial release. If you get on the ground, you get your body lever,

you get some lacrosse balls and some different things like that, you'll be sweating. You'll be, if you're finding some good spots, and I think that your average person, even without lifting, without running in jujitsu and all that stuff, I think they're gonna find some gnarly pain buttons. Oh, many, so many.

I think of them as little gremlins, right? You're hunting the little gremlins, and as soon as you find one, it transforms into this big monster, you know? What the hell? Yeah, what is this thing? You know, I spent some time with a friend of mine working with her on her ailments

and in the discovery of her past history, understood that she rode horses. Well, understanding how do you get on the horse? The left side. Every time? For how long? Well, no wonder you have imbalanced so as reactions and things going on in your hips.

You've gotten on the horse literally 10,000 times the same exact way. So how many of us have activities that are like that where we're just doing one thing or another? So you just gotta get a machine that just puts you up there. Yeah. But they're trained to do it from the one side. And if they were to have someone get on the other side,

they might wig out, you know? So all of our stuff is like that. Our entire society is built around right-handed activities, you know? So we all have this kind of right-side dominance and is that inborn or did we create that? You know, there's carp for the hoarder, egg and chicken thing there.

But I just think of all activities that are repetitious as something like that. You can end up with that thing in your forearm because you're driving your car with the right arm, for example, most of your life. And then 20 years later, you're like, you know, I kind of always have been leaning toward my center console.

I kind of have this compression in my ribs. Oh wait, I've been in this environment hitting the gas and brake with my right foot, literally hundreds of thousands of times and activating that side of the hips. But when have you ever touched it with the left? It drives me nuts every single day, by the way. Does it? Yeah.

I'm like, my right foot's kind of like part pushed out and I need to like, I'll try to push my heel out so my foot's straighter. I don't know. Yeah, I started putting a soul step in my car so I could push my foot down, the left foot against it and actually get some activation in there. But I'm dealing with a little pain in the hips

so I'm really trying to do every little practice that I can that'll mitigate that for me. So, I think some people when they hear about asymmetries is I've seen this from a lot of coaches, they just, they kind of poo poo it and mentioned that it's something that people just it's not a big deal. Everyone has asymmetries, just train hard and it's not a problem at all. And I do totally understand what they're saying because there's so many people that just lean in on like, oh, you're not symmetrical here, you have this, you have that. But that's why it is good to have practices that kind of allow you to work both sides of the body.

Like there is rope flow, but have practices that allow you to work your left side, for a lot of people it's the left side that doesn't get as much rotation or movement as much as your right side. See what you can build on both sides of the body. Work that weak side because you'll probably find a lot of gold there. Yeah, 100%. As soon as I started working with with WEC method Yeah, 100%. As soon as I started working with with WechMethod information and methodology, I stopped having as much hip pain from yoga because I started working with all of these things I hadn't been doing before. You know, and you just investigate another modality a little bit.

It doesn't take long to get to 50, 80% proficiency, at least in the understanding and the basics of something. And that may just, it may expand what you're doing in such a reverberating way that it changes everything about how you do life. In fact, I had an experience as a kid where, you know, I grew up in a very religious type of family, so, and I watched a lot of Star Trek, right?

So I was very atheistic. And then at one point in my life, I saw this Venn diagram and said, theist, atheist, agnostic. And it said knowledge. And I was like, why are they more knowledgeable? Oh, because they're looking at both sides of the issue. They're not getting stuck in one place.

It literally changed my intellect, just a little representation of that. And I think that everything can be that way. Every skill that we train our bodies into can be that way. Like if you learn how to do a headstand, whole new world, right? Whole new world. I remember as a kid, growing up Christian

and like going to church and all that kind of stuff, unfortunately, the messages that you learn from some of these religions or some of the things I was taught was like, you're either all the way in or you're not. There's no middle ground. And as you get older, you're like, that doesn't really have to be so. I can be spiritual, I can believe in God, but I could also believe that there's a potential possibility that maybe he doesn't exist or maybe he's not a he or maybe it's not the representation that we think it is. I could be open to a lot of other things and I can open the door for science. To the devil.

I can open the door, yeah, to the devil. Yeah, I'm going straight to hell for even having this conversation. In some dialects, the serpent was the good guy in the garden. He told everyone about those things. It's podcast. It's just Satan. It's gone downhill worse than ever.

Yeah, but you're kind of like, you'd learn those things and as a kid, you're like, oh man, I gotta choose a side. Like this is. I better straighten up. You can't cuss and all that. You're going to hell and whatever else was sold to you. And as you get older, you're like, oh, well, I can utilize a lot of those principles. I can be a good person. I can work on myself. And I think ultimately you got to try to come to your own conclusions. And I think the same is true with diet, the same is true with your fitness, the same is

true with every move that you make. You got to kind of figure out, you don't have to necessarily belong to any certain thing. If you can sort of, you know, have a 50,000 foot view, you might be able to see a little bit differently than a lot of other people and maybe you might be able to see a little bit differently than a lot of other people, and maybe you won't get caught up in just believing these kind of finite things. Yeah, it's like a nomadic way of life in your intellect.

You're not just like kind of moving from one space physically to the next, but mentally too, nomadic, not having a single point of reference, but learning from everybody that you can. And that's how I've always gone into yoga classes, even with people I maybe didn't like, I would go to their class because

there's something to learn from that person. And as soon as I started looking at FP that way, learned a lot more because I was able to reflect on what I was doing, what they're doing and go, oh, okay, there is some crossover here, like you said earlier. Something you mentioned early on was you were warring with, not worrying, but you were warring with the idea

of like how to present stuff. And you mentioned a couple of times, like getting injured, you mentioned being a yoga instructor and getting hurt. Have you oftentimes sort of felt like a pretender, like, oh man, I'm the yoga guy, and I just kind of hurt something, I need to not show that I just injured myself in my own class.

I think it may be deeper than that for me personally, I'm the only man left in my family. And the men prior to me in the prior generation slowly killed themselves through drugs and alcohol, things of that nature. So for me, I've tried, I've attempted to go the other direction to steer the course for my family.

You gotta go to a sperm bank immediately. Oh, cause I'm the only one? Yeah. It's funny. Right? Maybe. Last man standing. Last man standing.

Well, you know, I think it's just made me respond to reality in a particular way. You know, you read about great personalities that like cured childhood cancer. Well, that man's parents died when he was a child. So he developed this extraordinarily firm, resolute ability to say, no, we're going to keep going. When everybody else was like, oh no, this is dangerous, this is hard. And that's kind of what I've developed is just like, I stumbled into this thing and I'm going to make it work, you know, no matter whatever sacrifice I have to make. And that's on the backs of my family being, you know, kind of vapor. You know, it's like I don't have anyone to prove it to.

What do I do with all my energy now? You know, like I said earlier, my father was a bit of a forceful character. Well, when he passed away, all that energy, what do I have to do with it? It turned into, it transmuted into, oh, I discovered this thing. I can take all this energy and funnel it into a positive, you know? So I think that not only all of these things, but I think our worldviews are encapsulated by the way that we perceive our parents and God, so to speak,

because at first our parents are our first God. They're the force that we learn this place through. And like we take on our mother's emotions for the last five months in the womb. So you're introduced to reality through that conduit. So like, it's all very much orchestrated to create the best positive outcome. You know, so going back to religion, those are just the guidelines to how to get to those places and people have tried to tell us stories how to get there. And as a kid, you're like,

that's really extreme and crazy. Why is God like smiting people? And then you grow up and you go, oh, it's because all of these things that happen, if there isn't a proper response from the world or from the universe. From a business perspective, the tool that you created isn't cheap to make. It doesn't take three minutes to make.

It's not easy to ship. It's large, it has some weight to it. You chose or whatever, however you wanna say it, you chose a difficult path. How has that path been and sort of like, how'd you turn it into a thing? Because there's a lot of people listening right now that path been and sort of like, how'd you turn it into a thing? Because there's a lot of people listening right now that probably have ideas and stuff

that they wanna go through with, but they just, they think their idea's like too weird or crazy, they don't know where to start type thing. I started with a broomstick that I bought at Home Depot and I cut it in half and I put two metal carabiners into the end of it. I was working with a different idea. Believe. You know, at some point, somewhere I must have come across the phrase that, you know, people less articulate or less intelligent or less this,

this or that made it anyways because they believed in themselves. And I think that there's a curse of creativity that you do tend to wander outside of normal convention to create something. I think that's actually the mislabeled meaning of the Kane and Abel story. I think that Kane was a creator and he,

and that the imagery of that is that actually, you know, they were creating things and the mistakes that he made were based on that. I don't want to go into that so much, but for me, the whole experience has been at first very, you first very illuminating. Like, oh wow, this is a possibility. And then it's been very jarring.

Like, what the heck is this thing? And how do I communicate to people about it? But after my friend said, hey, I'll give you 50 bucks for one, I was like, wait a minute. This is a thing. What do you want it made out of? You know, and he said, oh, this kind of would. Okay, great.

You know, and it's just one little thing after the next. Your community is gonna be huge, you know. You're gonna run into people that say, oh, nay nay, and just, you know, smush them in the face and just keep going on because, you know, you've only got one lap to live this life in. And like Gary Vaynerchuk says, people are walking around like they're coming back.

And, you know, I've just never had that perspective. I've never thought I'd get to come back and do it better the next time. So, you know, I've just tried to design things the best I can and redo them in a way that's, you know, sequentially better and better. And here we are. I will never go to a doctor ever again about my general health.

All they want to do is put you on pills. Hmm, really well said there by Dana White. Couldn't agree with it more. A lot of us are trying to get jacked and tanned. A lot of us just want to look good, feel good. And a lot of the symptoms that we might acquire as we get older, some of the things that we might have, high cholesterol or these various things, it's amazing to have somebody looking at your blood work as you're going through the process, as you're trying to become a

better athlete, somebody that knows what they're doing, they can look at your cholesterol, they can look at the various markers that you have, and they can kind of see where you're at and they can help guide you through that. And there's a few aspects too, where it's like, yes, I mean, no, no shades of doctors, but a lot of times they do want to just stick you

on medication. A lot of times there is supplementation that can help with this. Merrick Health, these patient care coordinators are going to also look at the way you're living your lifestyle, because there's a lot of times there is supplementation that can help with this. Merrick Health, these patient care coordinators are going to also look at the way you're living your lifestyle because there's a lot of things you might be doing that if you just adjust that boom you could be at the right levels, including working with your testosterone. And there's so many people that I know that are looking for, they're like, hey, should I do that?

They're very curious. And they think that testosterone is going to all of a sudden kind of turn them into the Hulk. But that's not really what happens. It can be something that can be really great for your health because you can just basically live your life a little stronger, just like you were maybe in your 20s and 30s. And this is the last thing to keep in mind guys,

when you get your blood work done at a hospital, they're just looking at like these minimum levels. At Merrick Health, they try to bring you up to ideal levels for everything you're working with. Whereas, if you go into a hospital and you have 300 nanograms per deciliter of test, you're good, bro, even though you're probably feeling like shit. At Merrick Health, they're going to try to figure out what type of things you can do in terms of your lifestyle, and if you're a candidate, potentially TRT.

So these are things to pay attention to to get you to your best self. And what I love about it is a little bit of the back and forth that you get with the patient care coordinator. They're dissecting your blood work. It's not like if you just get this email back and it's just like hey try these five things. Somebody's actually on the phone with you going over every step and what you should do. Sometimes it's supplementation, sometimes it's TRT, and sometimes it's simply just some lifestyle habit changes. All right guys, if you want to get your blood work checked and also get professional help from people

who are going to be able to get you towards your best levels, head to MerrickHealth.com and use code PowerProject for 10% off any panel of your choice. You had the skill set for a long time. I mean, your woodworking looks awesome. Like the product that you make looks cool. Thanks, man. I started with just being a contractor's assistant,

just doing woodwork, getting paid 20 or 15 bucks an hour to just cut. That was just some work that you picked up sort of along the way? Yeah, basic stuff. I mean, my family always worked in the trades. So I started doing drywall when I was like 15, 16. So I had a little bit of knowledge base in that.

And I was known as art guy in high school, always carrying around my portfolio and getting angry if people mess with my artwork or my stuff. You were painting, drawing. Drawing mostly. And that bled into creating these tools. And it's really an obsession of creativity.

If you're a creative person, it's like growing leaves on a tree. And if you can't create, it's like being suppressed in the winter and your life just kind of shakes apart. So, you know, I've basically structured my whole world around making this happen. And that means, you know, I lived in a Sprinter van

that I converted for a number of years and traveled. That's not very glamorous. If you're into that sort of thing, it's not always glamorous anyway. So it's been really hard on me at times to make this happen, but I've known that the greater good, not only for my own body and my own experience, but for humanity is the reward for this

because these tools will get left behind, just like the other people, great personalities we've talked about, you know, in the spectrum of fitness tools. And you know, somebody the next generation will make one that's, that's like got vibration and made out of super cool, you know, stuff and you know, like does your laundry for you also. But, you know, for now we have simple tools that have complicated implications, you know,

versus the complicated tools that we've built in fitness, like the big machines that have very simple implications. How did you not quit? Because I think, especially recently, you went through a tough time with the place that you were at and so on, and it seemed like you probably had many opportunities to be like, ah, you know what, it was kinda cool while it lasted,

but I should probably move on to something else. I burned all my boats. You know, in that great story, it's like we're here on the island and we have to take Troy. Well, if we have the boats, we can always go back. So I, you know, I did that in my life, you know. And in a way, my family I did that in my life. And in a way, my family structure did that for me too. So not having other men that I was accountable to

and learning from in the same way as lots of families, I was able to go outside of convention and do things differently for many years. I mean, wood turning in itself is an old art and most people in my generation are like, oh yeah, woodwork, right? Woodturning, what's that? Oh, it's a different thing.

It's like, no, it's a really, a really different thing. And then amongst those weirdos, I'm a hyper super weirdo because I'm making like a spindle rather than bowls. Lots of people will make bowls and such. So I would say that I've always just known from that first time I squeezed them what's possible for other people. I watched my father suffer in a wheelchair the last six years of his life. And you know, compared to other people's experiences,

his wasn't that bad. And I know that this tool out there en masse can do things like FP is doing, and really assessing, addressing, and fixing some of the ailments that people are facing. And I think that that's really what's always gotten me through the day. How about, you know, you've got some other tools that outside of the body lever, like you have the

shorty lever, you have the hand lever, you have a, I don't know if you started selling the smaller maces, but you know, what made you come up with some of these different tools? In my travels, I've gotten, I've had the great fortune to work with you two gentlemen. And I've been down to San Diego a number of times, got to hang out with David Weck and Chris at the Weck Method Lab. And I've learned a lot from them. And thinking about this asymmetrical movement system of our bodies and what the body lever taught me about the origins of our fitness,

which I believe are agricultural and combat-laden, right? We do things in those two realms. All of this taught me what to do now with the new designs. So like we're looking at a particular tool I'm looking at. I've made many versions of the screen here and it started as this little tool, just something to poke into the hands. But over the years, I saw a number of different tools. So I integrated all of them over a number of different designs.

And now we have this handy lever that's a Gua Sha and a hand massager like a fire stick and a percussive. So you can actually tap it on to your tissues or scrape on it through the knee right there. That feels great when you have a little knee sensitivity. You know, the other tools have just been further extensions of the creative leafing and working with, you know, reverberating minds like David has been really amazing. Every time I go there,

I have like a new gadget and he's got like new gadgets. So we're like, what's going on this time? You know, and what are you working on? So, you know, I made that Helix mace there in essence of the core fist methodology. So, or the concept behind that. So you have fascial distances in the fingers that are different based on how you grip something. And that particular handle I designed to make a core fist around a handle itself. So it's got a little bit of a different,

you can see it in the Mesa and Seema has been using here. That profile is basically like two funnels connected, right? So you have a funnel on top and a funnel on the bottom and your hand glides right into that in this really amazing way. So I'm always trying to build sensations, not just provide an apparatus, but build a specific sensation.

So that's what all of the tools have been geared toward. I think what you're mentioning there is also something that, you know, it's good to think about for a lot of people, because I even noticed myself over the years training with barbells, dumbbells. The grip is very clean, the grip is very consistent, but you grip these implements in a single way that activates your hands, forearms, everything in a specific way. But when you grab these tools like your different, your Mesa's and then these smaller ones too, it adds, you're activating your hands in a much different way than most people are probably

used to. I noticed like there's been meat that's been building on my hands over this past year now. That is just like, damn, I did not know my hands could continue to get this strong, but it's making a very big difference. Yeah, the hands are the key to the spine. I tend to think that we have more problems

associated with our bodies that we get through manipulating the world with our hands than we do with our feet. And this is kind of an esoteric thing. I was chatting with somebody about, and it's like, oh yeah, I see more shoulder related problems than I do hip related problems. Like, okay, is it because we're living mostly

through our feet or mostly through our hands? And if you look at that motor unit homunculi, there's more data from your finger than there is from your whole hip complex, right? So you're using your hands to see the world, but then you go to a yoga class and they're like, stick your butt in the air. You know, it's like, well, I can't feel that I can't feel these different things you're

telling me to do. So it's always this split of like trying to understand what works the best and how to get to the best sensation. And I think that those those contours and you know, Raspberry Ape was saying, you like you choking down or up on them, they give you different air reactive forces in the same way that stepping on different things gives you ground reactive forces for your feet. So it's kind of correlated differently. I like some of these things where you're just gonna do like a crazy amount of reps with. And I think that if we're thinking about our hands

and how to get our hands to move better, I think it's important that they probably do quite a bit of repetition. It might be important just like any other body part to do heavier stuff here and there. But I think seated rows and like a dumbbell row, I think it covers a lot of those things. Even a pull-up, things like that I think cover

like a lot of grip strength. But moving those around and having them kind of bend your wrist in particular ways, it's like, yeah, you can kind of load it up and have fun with trying to figure out a way to move it in isolation or a way to move it with your whole body to be able to kind of flex your wrist and have it like not hurt and things like that.

Or you can just have a real modest weight on there and you can just do a shit ton of reps. Get a lot of burn through the forearms, a lot of burn through the hands. And so far, I've been loving, I have one near my TV and I'm just kind of twisting it and messing with it. I mean, I'll, because it's, you know, like off balance because there's weight on one side,

I'll actually take it and try to roll it like you would with like a, kind of a typical gripper thing where you have the rope and you're trying to roll the weights up. That's kind of what I'll do. I'll go forward, I'll go backwards and I'll switch it to the other side. And I do a lot of this stuff here

where I'm going internal, external rotation, palm up, palm down. And it's really helping my wrists. My wrists and my elbows have just, they've been kind of beat up for a long time. They don't really hurt when I do a lot of things, but they just kind of annoy me sometimes when I go to just the simplest task,

like unstrewing the top of my shaker cup or something, I'll be like, oh, that shit hurts. But now I'm actually kind of getting through some of those muscle tissues, feels good. Right, yeah, you know, if you look at just the aggregate of how many surface big muscles we have for locomotion, it's not very many. How many can we count, right?

But we actually have 600 something, right? What are the rest of those rotation and support muscles and and Like muscles we can't activate through conscious intent. So we make those actions here But you're saying like integration further in those are all reflexes, you know, like I see the body as That system, you know, the reflex is movement. Like our intention is like, yeah, get me to over there or do this task, but your reflexes are how you've conditioned everything.

And then it's just gonna do what you've intended to do based on all those experiences. So then we all have unique experiences of just trying to pick up a pencil off the ground. For me, it's hard sometimes. I stretch too much. Do you still stretch too much? No, I don't stretch much.

I in fact feel like, and I do actively try to relabel stretching as lag in my body. I don't like to think of, hey, I wanna sit and spry myself open for a while. I might stop and like open and like find sensation. Like we were talking about yawning earlier. Like you see this like outward inward at the same time, just to check in, but I don't sit and stretch anymore.

I've had too many borrowings from my body and signals of pain that I've had to dial back from. And now I'm mostly focusing on FP-inspired and agriculture and combat-inspired body lever movements, like we're doing with the cable and stuff. And that's mainly to just maintain my spine and to make it so I can continue to make these things. Where can people find you?

I'm on Instagram under body lever and Steve with the sticks. My website is thebodylever.com. Strength is never weakness, weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later, bye.