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Starting point is 00:00:00 But what got people all tripped up, and we'll probably be able to play some of the Rogan clip, is he mentioned that he eats one meal a day. Yeah, I mean, he looks like that. I love that he just destroys people too. He's just kind of chilling in some glasses, holding a pizza. You know, so it was a no-brainer for me, and my weight is lighter, and I feel better because I'm fasting. And then people are like, it doesn't make sense sense how he's six-pack and eats whatever he wants it's that same guy's voice yeah the same guy

Starting point is 00:00:32 very cheap fast eater epic music what what kevin pass did was he went back 12 years ago. Nice. Got a post from Lane Norton talking about his disc herniation, which I think from whatever, I guess from powerlifting. I can't see if it was from deadlift or squat. That kind of stuff. And this is the one, though.

Starting point is 00:00:59 Let me make this big. So it's a picture of Jeff Nippard collapsed, but the too long didn't read. Oof, I hurt my back. Oof, I didn't read. Oof, I hurt my back. Oof, I hurt my back. Oof, I hurt my back. This man is so sad. I don't really think that you always need to squat with a barbell on your back. But again, a barbell squat is a nice movement because it allows you to handle a lot of weight.

Starting point is 00:01:22 With great power comes great responsibility. It's a hard movement, it's difficult, so you have to be really cautious on how you organize your body. You know, I do think that somebody can get big with just dumbbells, but I do think that there is something to overloading with barbells, because that's what I found for myself.

Starting point is 00:01:41 I'm not saying like we're gonna debate any of it, but like when you're saying, you know uh like decompress after a workout compresses you um because of where i'm at i would say like i don't want to even get compressed at all right i can understand that have you talked to the most recent person that we had one sent out to penis pump world champion tom segura i wasn't gonna say how's that man doing oh he's been he sent you any pics oh yeah get some pictures man angry looking yeah oh the head is just pulsating power project family how's it going now a lot of you guys are lifters athletes you're serious about the gym and we are too and that's why we've been using slingshot products for years all right you

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Starting point is 00:02:48 as well as the podcast show notes. I think kind of an unknown thing when it comes to like, you hear people talk about like sports nutrition. I mean, it would make sense that like better eating is better. But like when you're,

Starting point is 00:03:03 somebody's in like the 12th round of a boxing match again I think I and I mentioned this on the show before I don't think the body really knows a ton about whether you had rice or whether you ate Doritos or whether you had cereal or whether you had milk you know I don't I don't know like if you know when you see two fighters and they're at the end and uh one guy needs the extra little uh pep in his step for the end of the match or whatever i don't i don't think it comes down to like specifically like so specifically on what someone ate you know so for i think as long as like the macros are there and as long as you're not like super dehydrated,

Starting point is 00:03:46 like I, you know, I don't even know. So if I was to eat to mess up my stomach, then it would really fuck up my running. But I think that it wouldn't matter either way. I think I can run similar times. Now, when you get to the tippy top of what the body can do or you get towards that then that's maybe where you might have to pay attention a little bit more but even as long as your like strength to weight ratios are good and as long as your body fat percentage isn't so high that it bumps you out of say say, something like the 100-meter. Like a 100-meter athlete looks a very particular way. Someone that runs 100-meter that's world-class, there's probably not a single male that is above 15% body fat.

Starting point is 00:04:38 And maybe even there might not even be anyone that's above 12%. So as long as your nutrition doesn't bump you out of those certain things, I don't think it's a huge deal. And again, if you're not under eating, if you're not under eating, that would be the other major offender. But if you got everything together and you don't have, again, it also depend on like, do you have a gluten allergy or something like it and you're eating gluten and of course you're going to have more problems but if you don't have those problems then I think

Starting point is 00:05:11 hard for me to say it but I don't think it matters that much on what you eat I don't like saying that out loud yeah no I don't like saying that either can you just send me that clip sorry I can't and just so you guys know, this conversation is spurring from

Starting point is 00:05:27 Joe Rogan recently had on Mikey Musumechi. And Mikey Musumechi is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. What a cool name. He's Italian. I like it. I like it too. You should like it. You're Italian. It's your guy right there.

Starting point is 00:05:43 My boy. You guys might be in the same family. Who knows? You never know. I literally it too. You should like it. You're Italian. It's your guy right there. My boy. My boy. You guys might be in the same family. Who knows? You never know. I literally found it. There you go. But anyway, Mikey, I think he's a five-time world champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He trains in a super unorthodox way in that he's mentioned how he literally doesn't go to a normal school to train.

Starting point is 00:06:02 What he does is he trains out of his garage and he has for years and he'll have people that he calls hobbyists, I think he calls them, where they'll come and they'll train with him out of his garage and he'll teach them how to beat his moves so that when he rolls with them, now they know how to defeat his game and then he can figure out new things to develop his game. And he's a five-time world champ, even though he doesn't train with super high level people all the time. But the thing that was getting a lot of people was number one, Mikey is pretty jacked. He is a lightweight guy. I think he's, I think his weight class is Bantamweight. So I'm not sure. Maybe he's like 130, I think 145 or something. But he's lean and he has a decent amount of good looking muscle on him. Now, he's not the biggest

Starting point is 00:06:44 guy, but he is muscular and he's single digit body fat. But what got people all tripped up and we'll probably be able to play some of the Rogan clip is he mentioned that he eats one meal a day. Yeah. I mean, he looks like that. Yeah. I love that he just destroys people too. He's just kind of chilling in some glasses, holding a pizza. Yeah. A funny thing is when you actually see him in the interview with Rog He's just kind of chilling in some glasses, holding a pizza. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:05 A funny thing is when you actually see him in the interview with Rogan, he's literally sitting in a chair kind of like the girl you mentioned at the coffee shop where he's in a chair, but his knee is up here. He's just sitting all crazy. And he's just sitting like that.

Starting point is 00:07:16 And he's been doing jujitsu since he was like four years old. So his body can just move in ways that most people can't. But people got all bent out of shape because he says that he eats one meal a day. He trains for hours each day. So he's burning a foot's worth of calories.

Starting point is 00:07:30 He also runs in the morning. He runs, I think, upwards of five miles in the morning because he says it helps him get his head clear. And he eats one big meal at the end of the night that he claims is around potentially 5,000 calories. Just runs five miles a day, does jujitsu, probably lifts too a little bit here and there.

Starting point is 00:07:44 No. He doesn't lift. No, no. His lifting is jujitsu. When you day does jujitsu probably lifts too a little bit here and there no he doesn't lift no no his lifting is jujitsu when you think about jujitsu like there's a lifting component to it but like that like that's what he doesn't have a problem right he hasn't yeah there's been doesn't have like a issue um the food thing doesn't seem to be an issue he's not obsessed with food he's not overweight he's not underweight he's not malnourished uh doesn't seem like he's run into like many health problems he's got a six-pack and then some right um he doesn't lack uh quickness or speed he doesn't lack endurance i don't think right i've never seen i've never seen him roll but a five-time champion i'm just

Starting point is 00:08:22 gonna assume that uh he hasn't got to the end of the match before and got his ass kicked and been like, man, I think I need to go back to the drawing board. I need to really look at this. Maybe I need more sleep. Maybe my nutrition needs to be better. Maybe the lifting weights that people have been telling me about, maybe I should consider that.

Starting point is 00:08:40 It doesn't seem like it's something that he needs to worry about, so why waste time on something that is not a problem? Yeah. And that's the thing. It's funny because it's pizza and pasta. Do you have it by any chance? I want to see maybe you could play some of that. I guess the one thing that you could potentially say

Starting point is 00:08:58 if you want to try to pick anything apart is that maybe a healthier practice would lead to some healthier outcomes, maybe. And maybe through that practice, maybe he would even be better than he already is. Maybe. Potentially. But I think there's a lot of give and take on stuff. He probably loves eating the way that he eats.

Starting point is 00:09:19 He does. He probably loves that one meal a day. He probably really looks forward to it. It's a routine. And then also somebody that's been competing for that long. I'm sure he's tried a lot of stuff before. Yeah. I'm sure he's tried meal prep companies, and I'm sure he's tried to eat some fucking chicken

Starting point is 00:09:34 breast and stuff like that here and there. And he probably is just like, I don't need to be that guy. Yeah. Maybe the other guys do, but I don't need to be that way. And I'm still going to kick everybody's ass. He probably, like, self-regulated right he probably he probably can't like if he does need to get a little bit better maybe he like you said he will address it but right now he's like okay yeah if i eat clean or whatever cleaner is in your head if i eat cleaner i might get better

Starting point is 00:10:00 but why i'm already winning so like, like you could take it that far, but then like, for what? Like it's already working right now. So why fuck with it? You know, the funny thing about clean eating, don't, don't, don't, don't get me wrong. I think there's like a way to eat healthy, but you know, when people in the nutrition space talk about eating healthy, it's a lot of times within the context of the average American who is sedentary for a lot of their day. They're not moving a lot. Their time of activity is maybe when they're going on a walk or maybe when they're going to the gym, but most of the time they're sitting around. So they cannot afford to eat just first off a lot of calories because their metabolism isn't going as fast as somebody like Mikey who is first thing in the morning running, right?

Starting point is 00:10:50 Then jujitsu for hours during the day. Five miles is a good amount, man. It's a good amount, right? For some people, that's like their running volume for the week. This guy is doing that once a day, you know? This guy's doing that once a day, you know? Um, but he like literally food, food is literally fuel to this cat because he's constantly moving. So when it comes to athletes, like track athletes, basketball players, um, anybody in a sport that makes them move a lot and they have to practice and they move a lot. When you see some of these people eat, some people like, Oh, that's not

Starting point is 00:11:23 healthy or that's fucking them up, blah, blah, blah. Well, for an athlete, they're burning through it. That's also why when some of these athletes stop doing what they're doing and they eat the same way, they just get out of shape and they get fat because now their athletic practice is gone and their metabolism isn't what it used to be when they were actually doing the thing and they're eating the same way they were. That's very detrimental. But this dude's thriving on one meal a day, big old meal. And it's just fun to see a different style to dieting that like most would say, oh, that's not optimal for performance, right? It's cool. So this is a 15 minute clip. Do you know?

Starting point is 00:11:59 Well, we'll scan through it. Let's see where it starts real quick. I just want to add something before you start that up. through it. Let's see where it starts real quick. I just want to add something before you start that up. Um, you know, let's say that he's eating like sugar, right? Like a lot of sugar. Again, it looks like he's burning it up. Uh, he doesn't look like he's diabetic. Doesn't look like he's having any problems. Maybe they could do some blood work and maybe they would find that something's a little high or something's a little off. People like to say he's on drugs, but he, he, he, he looks very healthy. And again, he doesn't have any like issues. So even on drugs. But he looks very healthy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:27 And again, he doesn't have any like issues. So even like why would he even bother to get his blood work done? Which again sounds kind of crazy because some people are obsessed with all that stuff. But like we didn't used to do stuff like that. We didn't used to examine and check on things. We already know what happens in this country when you check on shit and you test for stuff that may or may not actually be there, it can wreak a lot of havoc and cause a lot of mayhem, cause a lot of panic. And when you do test for stuff, you do find stuff. Like if you keep poking and poking and poking, then you'll find a problem. So if this guy was to do blood work, somebody would be like, oh yeah, look at that. Oh my God, his liver enzymes are a little

Starting point is 00:13:02 high. But his liver enzymes could have been high since he was seven or something. Who the fuck knows? It's just really, really hard to know. And we've had guests come on and talk about the seed oils and all these different things. But if you're moving around

Starting point is 00:13:16 and you're expending energy and you're keeping your body lean, you're staying jacked and tan, then there's probably not a lot of things to really worry about in terms of your health. Mm-hmm. Okay. Oh no, it's my... then there's probably not a lot of things to really worry about in terms of your health. Eating pasta and homemade pizza and only eating once a day. Rogan wants that. Every night I eat like this.

Starting point is 00:13:38 So how this started was I've been cutting weight and dieting my whole life, right? Right. And you almost develop an eating disorder from always dieting and cutting weight for so many years of your life, right? It just naturally happens. So I would binge eat. I would starve. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:13:56 Like it was very unhealthy the way I would live. How much weight were you cutting? Just at a young age, cutting weight. I would always be cutting like 5 pounds, 10 pounds. Nothing crazy, but I've done crazy cuts also so you just die from those also but all that time

Starting point is 00:14:10 it just messes up your brain where you never feel like you're satisfied and you never are full you know so that part of your brain that says oh you're full stop eating

Starting point is 00:14:17 I stopped having from cutting weight so much so what I started doing was intermittent fasting so I would just not eat during the day because honestly i don't like eating before training i feel bloated when i eat

Starting point is 00:14:29 so i would just eat at night but i started just eating the foods i love um i'm italian so i grew up just eating pizza and pasta so i make pizza and pasta every night i have a pizza oven in my house and i roll out the dough make everything and then uh dessert, I'll eat a pint of acai and my weight would be lighter doing this diet than eating like no carbs and all these things. So my mind, I was like, wait, I could eat all the foods I love if I eat once a day at night, you know, so it was a no brainer for me. And my weight is lighter and I feel better cause I'm fasting. So I started doing it. Wow. So there's no issue with... You're very much positive. What else did they say?

Starting point is 00:15:08 Performance at all. I mean, given your blood sugars and everything like that, when you're training for extraordinary amounts of time during the day and not eating. So how I see it is I have to earn the food at night. So training all day is like me working for the food at night, you know? Right. Got it. That earn your food thing got a lot, I think got a few people out of their wits

Starting point is 00:15:26 because they're like, that sounds like an eating disorder, right? That's what some people were saying. But it did sound like he explored some other types of diets and stuff before, right? And he didn't really like the results he was getting. When he was younger, his coaches had him like do a lot of weight cutting.

Starting point is 00:15:40 So he like, you know, you're at a certain weight, 155 or whatever, and you have to do some crazy weight cutting and get yourself down to 135, 140. So he had to do a lot of that stuff in his youth because he was competing a lot as a youth. But now that's all he does. I don't really know what Michael Jordan's situation was with lifting, but I don't really think that he lifted much until later on in his career. Until he was getting beat up by the Knicks and the Pistons and stuff like that. And then I think, at least it seemed like, at least that's kind of the story

Starting point is 00:16:10 that's told is that. And so like someone could be like, well, I don't understand like why wasn't he lifting the whole time? But you know, this is years ago. But also like it just, you know, they go together. They make sense. Like you're going to lift weights and you're going to like play your sport. But there's plenty of people that don't lift and there's plenty of people that don't give a fuck about their nutrition. But when it's time to play their sport, they kick the shit out of everybody. They're really fucking good at it. There's other athletes like someone like Bones Jones comes to mind.

Starting point is 00:16:39 Bones Jones seems to love lifting and he seems to love training. But I think years ago it came to him faster than it came to some other people without really messing with a lot of that stuff yeah and nowadays you see him like dead lifting like 630 pounds and shit like that he's a fucking monster the way he was moving just a couple days ago i'm like man i just really want to see him get back in the ring so bad because it'd be so cool to watch him as a watch him as a heavyweight now he's just moving so smooth but there's just some really talented people out there and we hear all this stuff about tom brady and what he does doesn't look like tom brady was doing that before it looked like he was doing it way after and it was after what

Starting point is 00:17:19 after he made it to the fucking nfl like that's a huge accomplishment. You know how many people try to make it to the NFL every year? Hundreds of thousands. There's literally kids in Ohio that are born with – boys that are born with a football in their crib. This country is obsessed with professional football. It's obsessed with football in general. And so many people are gunning for that spot. general and so many people are gunning for that spot and it ends up kind of we end up with a wide variety of how hard people try to get there some people don't even necessarily try um there's a Howie Long who's a hall of fame player from the Raiders who started playing uh football when he

Starting point is 00:18:01 was in college he just like tried out for the team. He did pretty good. And then the next year he just crushed everybody. The next year he got drafted. I wonder what his athletic history was though. Because when, I don't know. I don't know what he was doing beforehand, but that's kind of the story.

Starting point is 00:18:14 And it's like, that's pretty crazy. Cause he was incredible, but he also is six, five, 270 pounds. I mean, he was doing something.

Starting point is 00:18:21 Yeah. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a big son of a bitch, you know? So it's, uh, you see that in CrossFit too. You hear from like Rich Froning, like Rich Froning's like pretty much every night, eat

Starting point is 00:18:33 a sleeve, sometimes two sleeves of Oreos. Sometimes it's just pat, you know, pound the whole thing, like four sleeves of Oreos. And that's all anybody ever heard. But it's like, have you, do you have any idea what you're talking about here with Rich Froning, how many times a day he trains? There's people that love fitness and people that love training, and they aren't going anywhere near Rich Froning. Like, I ain't hanging out with him because he's going to make me fucking work. We're just going to train all day. Supposedly, that's all he did.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Like Reebok and some of these other people, they've taken him on these retreats and vacations and stuff. They're like, he just lifts the entire, he's like, where's their weights? Where's their gym? Where can we, you know? And then even if there's not something, he's like climbing something or jumping off something or doing something.

Starting point is 00:19:18 Moving is part of that guy's existence. Always fucking moving. And then people are like, it doesn't make sense how he has a six pack and eats whatever he wants it's that same guy's voice yeah the same guy yeah and rich froning and his team won another yeah what the fuck he's still winning i know it's a team but he's probably like early 30s uh i'd say mid to late, I think. Maybe 33 to 35.

Starting point is 00:19:48 Whatever Jason Kalipa is, that's his age too. Yeah, fucking Jason Kalipa got the short end of the stick on that one. If he was just a little, you know, if they just had this age discrepancy, Jason could have snuck in a couple more victories. But Jason got his title, right? He did. That's all that matters. And he's going to get a Masters World title in Jiu-Jitsu. He will. That'd be sick. Jason in a couple more victories. But Jason got his title, right? He did. That's all that matters. Jason's going to get a Masters World title in jiu-jitsu.

Starting point is 00:20:07 He will. That'd be sick. Jason's – He will. But also, Jason, he fucking shared a podium with Rich Froning and Matt Frazier. Yeah. Like, that's very fucking accomplished in CrossFit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:17 That's insane. That's huge, man. Dude. Yeah. And Tia Claritumi won again. Of course. So she's the most decorated CrossFitter of all time. Who was the man who?

Starting point is 00:20:27 Justin won again. But she's the most decorated CrossFitter? Yeah, six years in a row. Just fucking killing everybody. I want to say, I could be wrong. I think she was an Olympic lifter that got selected for the Olympics. And I think she also parlayed into... God damn, what's that

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Starting point is 00:21:04 and then I was like, bobsled! I don't know why that word just didn't pop in my head for some reason. It's a boggin'? What the fuck's a boggin', bro? A boggin's like a hat, I think. Really? I want one, whatever it is. A boggin'.

Starting point is 00:21:19 A long, flat-bottomed light sled made usually of thin boards. Okay, yeah, yeah. So you were in the ballpark. Maybe because your mind is currently in Ireland, you thought of that? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. The curly thing. That thing is sick.

Starting point is 00:21:33 You can go flying downhill on that motherfucker. I love finding new words, especially when they're fun like that, like a toboggan. Mm-hmm. Toboggan. A toboggan. A toboggan. A toboggan. A toboggan.

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Starting point is 00:22:06 She looked great. Good for her. What was cool is when I posted... It was already there. Did you have it saved? I'm on the Instagram right now. What was cool is when I posted it, I was like, oh man, people are going to be a bunch of dicks, but there were a lot of positive comments and a lot of men

Starting point is 00:22:22 and women were like, man, I like your legs. She looks great. People were fired up and excited. Because I think it's cool. I hope you see more people admiring this kind of stuff. Dude. Rather than putting it down. Almost always you hear all the comments like, ah, she's on steroids or whatever.

Starting point is 00:22:40 That's a man. Yeah. I mean, there was a small amount of that. Just because some of these dudes can't handle that. Oh, yeah, I know. They're just too weak, and it's okay. Just admit it. One guy said, that young man has a future in bodybuilding.

Starting point is 00:22:54 And I was like, there's always somebody. There's always somebody. But I was like, hey, you know what? That was funny. You go to his profile. It's private. Yeah, right? Yeah, right?

Starting point is 00:23:02 There's nothing there. Skinny as fuck, right yeah i'll just look at through comments fuck i might ask her to open a jar for me yeah yo but that's that's mad impressive man like yo she's gonna live a long time look at those joints i don't understand big wrists andrew uh you sent us a clip earlier today of the liver king down in some fucking butter. Fuck yeah. Why are we talking about this man again, huh? Did you?

Starting point is 00:23:28 Have you ever tried that? Just eating butter? Well, the liver king has paid me $2,500 per post. That's what people are actually thinking. And then it's $4,000 per podcast. So now Cat's out of the bag. I got to share the money with you guys yeah you do because i haven't gotten have you no hasn't seen my bank account okay well okay but him you know serving up that that money is really helping a lot what i will say is quarter stick of butter to the dome dude you

Starting point is 00:24:00 got to get the sound in here because like the's actually pretty dope. So we got to restart it. His timing was pretty on the point. So, yeah. See that? That was actually. That was good more. Probably very too fast either. Fuck. You can probably get it.

Starting point is 00:24:26 Epic music. How many calories is that? Yeah! What about his cholesterol? Only in America. Hey. Only in America will you see a man like this stick a whole stick of butter in his mouth and just-

Starting point is 00:24:49 People eat it up. It's great. And still have abs. I'm going to eat this liver king bar right here that we got sitting here. I already ate mine. It doesn't have any liver in it, though. It just says liver king on it. Can you do that?

Starting point is 00:24:59 Is that false advertising? I don't want to get super hungry right now, so I'm going to save it for later. But it was pretty damn good. It was very good. What are the macros on this motherfucker? 220 only 11 grams of protein. 16 grams of fat, 13 grams of carbs, and 11 grams of protein. Okay. Liver King, what's

Starting point is 00:25:15 up with this bar, man? Can't you throw some beef in here? Something. Is there, so there's no like organ things in it, right? It's not like an, it's the fittest. Yeah, I will say this shit does taste really damn good. It does taste really fucking good. Save for later. What did Kevin Bass say the other day?

Starting point is 00:25:32 We were talking about him bashing some deadlifts, right? So, oh, my camera's dead. So after we had Doug Brignoli on, he pursued a little bit more information on him because he found him interesting. So he bought his book. And since then he's been like, hmm, okay, well, the deadlift and the squat don't really make too much sense when you take in all this information. So he's been kind of on a, I'm not going to say a rampage, but he's just been kind of basically going after,

Starting point is 00:26:00 I'll say going after the deadlift and the squat, not being, let's see, how did he put it? I don't want to fuck it up. Andrew, explain a little bit more about Doug Brignoli's case against the squat and the deadlift. Okay. Okay. So with the squat. Just say in general. In general. Okay.

Starting point is 00:26:17 So the squat, we think of the squat for building, we'll just say the glutes. The range of motion that your glutes go into when you're doing a squat is not very, the range of motion is actually very small when you consider just the glutes. So then it's like, okay, well, let's think about the quads. When you look at the quads, same thing. Do you like a knees over toe squat? And then you're like, wow, my quads are fired up. But when you do an actual squat, your knee, I mean, at the most will get just over your shin, right? It's not going over your toe. So that range of motion is also compromised.

Starting point is 00:26:50 The hamstrings, this is where you get, I think it's called reciprocal innervation. So basically your muscles can't do two things at once. So your quads are trying to extend your shin, basically. And then your hamstrings are trying to pull your calf more towards them i'm trying to explain this all the audio audio yeah um so therefore on the way down sure your hamstrings are getting some but your quads are going to want to take over eventually but you can't work both of those at the same time optimally, right? You just can't because your mind has to do one thing or the other.

Starting point is 00:27:29 When doing what? When doing a squat. So when you're dropping down into a squat, your hamstrings aren't doing shit. Sorry, they are, but they are not doing anything optimally, right? And this is according to Doug Brignoli, which is according to him using some sort of electronic scanning of some sort. So yeah, I believe he researched a lot of those studies.

Starting point is 00:27:53 He does that, but what he does is, so he focuses on biomechanics. So it's just the way our biology is and along with how our muscles actually work. Talking about muscles want to go back to their origin. So the insertion and origin of the muscles and stuff. So with the hamstrings, again, you can't fire off the hamstrings the same time as the quads. It's just not going to work because your mind can only do one at a time. So again, it's not a really good movement for the glutes. It's not a good movement for the hamstrings. Not a good movement. When I say not a good movement, people, I'm just making the argument for argument's sake right now.

Starting point is 00:28:27 Well, it's also according to just Doug Brignoli. Yes. I'm just trying to make the point. And again, just to keep it super simple, Doug Brignoli's whole thing on deadlifting and squatting is just that maybe it's not the most effective towards building muscle mass. Maybe it doesn't do exactly what you think it's going to do. Those are still great exercises to overload the body. But maybe a squat is maybe not overloading the quads quite the way that you think it's going to do. Those are still great exercises to overload the body, but maybe a squat is maybe not overloading the quads quite the way that you think. And maybe the deadlift is not overloading the hamstrings quite the way that you think.

Starting point is 00:28:52 And with all that in mind, especially with the squat, you're putting a lot of stress on your spine because you're loading the bar on your back. I think that's a fair point for sure. And then with the deadlift, of course, because we are going too heavy most times when people get hurt, it's because they're doing too much. It's just putting you at a really bad position, which is what Kevin Bass was kind of talking about. So what he said is, so I've been writing that squats and deadlifts shouldn't be recommended to the general public. I want to emphasize that. So the post that got me really excited. Oh, fuck.

Starting point is 00:29:26 I got it. Man, he bodied Lane and Jeff, which is sad because I love Lane and Jeff, but he bodied them. So he's been talking about it for a little bit now. And then so Lane Norton responds, Kevin, you're my boy. But this isn't or this isn't what I they're basically saying to whatever the fuck he just disagrees with him jeff nippard i can't read it he says bro i love you but this is really dumb oh man i can't see shit i love when someone says i love you i love you that's always like the setup so then what but what what kevin pass did was he went back 12 years ago nice got a post from lane norton talking about his

Starting point is 00:30:06 disc herniation uh which i think from uh whatever i guess from power lifting i can't see if it's from deadlifter squat uh and then that kind of stuff's fucked up it is fucked up i don't like seeing people do that bring it back all your trauma goes back to 2017 with a another article on the same thing. A post from Stuart McGill working with Lane Norton. I can't see how many years ago that was. This man has all the receipts. All the receipts.

Starting point is 00:30:33 And then Jeff Nippard, a post from, I can't see. I don't know if you can see it. How much time did he spend on this? A long time. And this is the one, though. Let me make this big. So it's a picture of Jeff Nippert collapsed. Oh, I remember this video.

Starting point is 00:30:49 In front of a bar loaded up with, what's that, five plates? So probably like 535, somewhere in there, 535. Collapsed on the floor because he's injured from a deadlift. And then this, so he explains everything, writes it all down on a post. So injury from 2016, 17, and 18 from Lane Norton. And then Jeff Knipper from 2016. But the too long didn't read, oof, I hurt my back.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Oof, I hurt my back. Oof, I hurt my back. This man is so savage. Man, if there's anyone who's good at talking shit on the internet it's kevin bass i gotta say he's really great at it so uh at the time that i saw this post i didn't see that lane had responded oh he did yeah and it said uh can you see that in sema because i barely can yeah I don't think ridicule is the correct word. This seems pretty over the top, Kevin. Even if we choose to disagree, doesn't have to be personal.

Starting point is 00:31:57 I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest. I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest. Yeah. Wow. The way Kevin went about this shit, that was real cold. Like, that was like, oh, oh, y'all want to start? Let me bring all your trauma back and put it on the page. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Starting point is 00:32:13 Fucking hell, man. So what I told Kevin, because after I liked this, he DM'd me and he was talking about me and him were going back and forth about Brignoli a little bit. But I was like, hey, you have to keep in mind that uh lane norton competes so as a competitor you're kind of needs it you're going to take it this far and you're going to go like way above and sometimes you're going to get hurt because you are pushing it to a whole different level um but i just thought it was such a savage move. It was heartless. There's any word I'll put towards this.

Starting point is 00:32:47 It's heartless. Cause they were both being cordial, right? They were just like, ah, I love you, but this ain't it. Or whatever the fuck they said. And Jeff said it was dumb. Okay. Sorry. I don't remember.

Starting point is 00:32:56 So I guess Kevin took that personally. It does, uh, it does bring, it does bring up a lot of good questions and stuff. And if someone's trying to argue with you and you're like, I've seen videos of you literally on the ground from deadlifting. Why are you still recommending these movements? It makes sense. We're all kind of in a line of fire, I guess.

Starting point is 00:33:26 Oh yeah. I don't really agree with making fun of people, uh, in, in that way, especially kind of amongst professionals. It can get a little shady. I'm sure I've done it a million times,

Starting point is 00:33:36 but it's, it's not great. It doesn't not a great look for anybody. And then also, um, it's not making fun of people with like i think an injury is kind of like an unfortunate like like medical issues and stuff like that they're they're kind of personal you know and it it it's uh it's like sometimes maybe a little bit too much of a dig

Starting point is 00:33:59 but trying to stick to the facts uh you know is a deadlift a dangerous exercise is it is it can it be the roll of the dice um okay are there a lot of people are there a lot of people that have used you know do we know high level people that have used deadlifts and squats reasonably uh that haven't gotten hurt it's like probably not look at this though like this is the thing i think this is the distinction you see this top set that this guy's doing now. You see the way like how his whole body is straining. Engaged. Yep. Right. This is the thing. It's like the deadlift can be a great movement, but it's with where Lane and Jeff and even ourselves, where we've taken the deadlift, that's where the risk can

Starting point is 00:34:45 absolutely outweigh the reward. Do you have, like, if you're someone who's not competing in power lifting and you're not trying to get the highest fucking deadlift possible, do you have to be deadlifting 500 pounds? It's a great goal. Don't get me wrong. It's an awesome goal, especially if you're really getting into like lifting. But if you're not a power lifter, number one, I don't think getting to 500 pounds is a bad or unsafe thing. But the thing is, is people always do it too fast. People always start lifting weights too fast. They start to get stronger and then they just want to see the weight on the bar go up.

Starting point is 00:35:15 So their deadlift will look as like, look at the way that this guy, even though it moves, like look how hard he's straining for that lift with that much weight. Like, look how hard he's straining for that lift with that much weight. I would honestly say if you're someone who's not competing and you're trying to deadlift for your health, you want to ideally, you shouldn't be looking like that when you're deadlifting. This guy actually had, like, you got to give him some credit. He had some pretty decent form. Like, he was trying to lock it in. He did one rep.

Starting point is 00:35:40 The rep was pretty clean. He went for another one. What I would kind of say is that it was probably some workouts leading up to this workout where he has probably been lifting too heavy too often. And I've been really lucky. I've come back from so many different back injuries, but like if I didn't, what would I be doing? I'd be out there preaching like, you should never do a deadlift. Like if I never came back, like from, you know, I've hurt my back on good mornings. I hurt my back on deadlifts.

Starting point is 00:36:12 I hurt my back on squats. Very, very severely to the point where like getting out of bed and like going to the bathroom and like even just the smallest tasks were really difficult, like holding on to counters and needing to support myself with my hands and being very cautious getting in and out of the car, like doing stuff really slowly. I fucked myself up so many times. And luckily, shit healed up. And I'm very fortunate. But if it didn't,

Starting point is 00:36:40 I would be the first person out there being like, don't fucking deadlift like ever. Don't touch that shit because it ruined me. But meanwhile, it might not have been the exercise. It might've been my execution because I was lifting too heavy too often. And I would even say when it comes to a power lifter, usually the best people that I've seen, it's really rare for them to miss lifts. And it's not only rare for them to miss a lift, it's rare for them to be compromised. And you probably see this in jiu-jitsu where you're like, man. Especially when you're first going to jiu-jitsu.

Starting point is 00:37:14 You're like, that fucking guy. He barely breaks a sweat. I don't know how he does it. And he's the best guy in the whole room by far. It's like not even a question. His technique is impeccable. He's like always in control. And also there he is.

Starting point is 00:37:28 He like fucking rarely gets hurt. You know, things are going to happen. You're dealing with other people's bodies when you talk about like jujitsu and some other sports. So things can get a little weird here and there. But most of the people, like they're at like 90%, 95%.

Starting point is 00:37:44 They're not really redlining it. And that's what you need to be really cautious of. Because you can get hurt doing anything. We can say, hey, let's ditch the deadlift and let's only do kettlebell swings. I would say you can fuck your back up just as much with a kettlebell swing. That's like, okay, well, now what do we do for our back? Let's not hip hinge at all. It's like, that doesn't sound like a good idea.

Starting point is 00:38:06 Cause I think we need to build some resilience, right? I agree. And one, one, one big thing, like let's look at the kettlebells real quick before we get back to the deadlift. But with kettlebells, I know so many people who like they, they've done kettlebell swings and they've messaged me being like, man, my lower back hurts when I do kettlebell swings. So I've been like, okay, what kind of weight are you using? How are you swinging it?

Starting point is 00:38:24 And one common theme throughout that is like, number one, the weight they're swinging is too heavy for them, even though they can swing it. And their swinging pattern isn't the best for their back. So once they lighten the load, start swinging correctly, then slowly increase to using a heavier load on swings. Oh, I don't feel back pain anymore. Same type of idea with the deadlift. But one thing, when I was lifting heavy, my main thing was I always looked at myself as like, I'm not durable. I never, because I'd see athletes lifting and struggling with certain lifts. And even though they're heavy, I always said, that looks impressive. But I'd never let myself get to a point where I struggle that much with the lift because I think I just pop my shit because I have popped my shit before. Right. So that's why whenever I did lifts,

Starting point is 00:39:07 if the lift wasn't clean, if the lift didn't look the same, if I wasn't relaxed, when I say relaxed, if I didn't feel like I can do this without shaking or whatever, I didn't fucking touch it. And I could tell that by warming up to lift. So that might be a pussy way looking at it because I looked at myself as being fragile, but that's one reason why when I did start lifting heavier weights, it always looked smooth and it always looked relaxed and it never looked like a struggle because my body was ready to lift that shit, right?

Starting point is 00:39:37 But when you're trying to get strong really fast, you don't stay away from that and you sometimes look at the struggle as being beneficial when you're shaking with the bar and whatever. I just never thought I was durable enough for that because I was always like, I'm gonna break myself if I do that shit. Yeah. And I think some deadlifting, like I think that, I think that in general, I think if you don't know how to deadlift, I don't think that you should deadlift. And I don't think you should go out and experiment on how to deadlift without watching a YouTube video, having a coach, having someone that can at least watch a video after you do it and you use really, really light weights.

Starting point is 00:40:12 Yeah. I think it is something that it's like, however, one of the most important things you can do in the gym is learn how to bench squat and deadlift. in the gym is learn how to bench squat and deadlift. So even though these exercises are, they can be dangerous, learning how to hip hinge and learning how to squat, those are amazing tools. I can't even really think of a sport where I wouldn't advise that. Like if someone came in here and they're like, I want to be better at soccer, I want to be better at football, I want to be better at this, I want to be better at that. If they didn't have much experience with squats, it's not the first place I would start them.

Starting point is 00:40:50 I would start them out with a lot of other exercises. And I want to see how they move and stuff like that. But sure enough, week three, week four comes around. I'm like, let me show you how to squat. Let's do some really high box squats. I want to see what the movement pattern looks like. We're going to go with some really lightweight. And over a period of time,

Starting point is 00:41:08 I'm going to teach you how to do a squat. I'm going to teach you how to hip hinge, how to do a deadlift. So that way they know how to kind of protect themselves with some of these movements that, some of these movements are beneficial. You know, some of these movements are beneficial, like a bent over row and some of these other movements

Starting point is 00:41:21 that you might want to get into at some other point, or even just trying to brace yourself on a field or court, whatever it is where you're trying to deal with other people's forces, you can look at like a bent over row as a way to like deal with somebody else's forces. When you lower the weight and the weight goes down towards your feet, that would be, you know, similar to, I don't know, someone trying to tackle you and bring you down or you trying to tackle somebody else or whatever it might be. And so you're dealing with somebody else's weight. And how do you mimic that? You can't always mimic it by just like grabbing on to somebody else and like picking them up unless you're in a sport where you grapple often. So

Starting point is 00:42:02 that's kind of the way I would look at it. I think that benching, squatting, and deadlifting can be extremely dangerous. I think knowing how to do them is a huge positive and a huge net gain for anyone. And when you say the general public, the general public, one of the biggest ailments in this country is back pain. And I think the way through it is the same way you get through having feet that are messed up. It's the same way that you get through anything else. The only way to get through it is to go through it directly and to say, how do I train my back? You say, okay, well, the deadlift seems like a pretty good exercise, but maybe I shouldn't be deadlifting from the floor right away. Maybe I should learn how to brace.

Starting point is 00:42:50 I should learn how to pick something up, get some weight in my back. Maybe not even a deadlift is a great place to start, but maybe something that looks like a deadlift, 45-degree back raise, a hyperextension of some sort, reverse hyperextension, a good morning. And what's wrong with doing, you know, people kind of have forgotten about like RDLs, like just like a Romanian deadlift or a deadlift holding dumbbells. That's a great movement. When I was getting into all this stuff, that was like recommended and prescribed in every single workout.

Starting point is 00:43:24 Three sets of 10, three sets of 10 three sets of 15 with dumbbells what's a dumbbell do dumbbells are amazing because you can keep them right by your side the whole time that's how i was taught how to do it my coach was like when you do a deadlift the bar is always out in front of you the advantage of using the dumbbells is you can kind of keep it more on your sides and he wanted me to like scrape my legs scrape my quads the side of my quads with the weight and just keep drifting my hips back and i would just do a hip hinge and it was a kind of a partial range of motion i wasn't trying to go down real deep because my coach wanted it more like hammies and glutes and it felt fucking amazing and and it's almost like a trap bar deadlift. Back then, the trap bar deadlift wasn't like a popular thing.

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Starting point is 00:45:07 code power project to save 20% off your entire order. Again, that's at eatlegendary.com links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Let's get back to this podcast. Just got to be responsible with the load you use. Again, it's like there are these things, benchmarks that you see on social media, the 500 pound deadlift or nowadays it's like there are these things, benchmarks that you see on social media, the 500-pound deadlift, or nowadays it's like the 600 or the 700. And again, if you're just doing this because you enjoy lifting and you want to lift some heavy weights, you got to think, okay, what am I getting from trying to do that? Or if you really want to do it, I'm not going to discourage anybody from trying to get a 500, 600, 700-pound deadlift. really want to do it, I'm not going to discourage anybody from trying to get a 500, 600, 700 pound deadlift. Again, if you're not competing, give yourself time to head towards that and make sure that when you're working with weights, you're working responsibly. You're not supposed to be

Starting point is 00:45:51 picking up a bar and fucking shaking up and down as the bar is coming up. You're supposed to pick that bar up. It's supposed to be a smooth rise to your lockout and then back down. And if it's not looking like that, you don't have the ability or you should not be working with that weight. That's just my suggestion. Some people would say you need to go through that struggle a little bit. Some may say that. I don't agree necessarily. I don't think there should be all of that shaking with a load. It just means you're not ready to handle it. Yeah, I don't think you need anything too crazy. I do think that you do need a weight though. Yeah. And that's where like, and you can use pretty heavy dumbbells sometimes on certain things, but that's where like, and you can use pretty heavy dumbbells sometimes on certain

Starting point is 00:46:26 things, but that's where like the barbell exercises, they're easy. They lend themselves to being a lot, a bench press, a squat and a deadlift, they allow you to handle a good amount of weight. That's the only reason why they're good exercises. A bench bench press a bench press is a really delicate thing like it's probably the worst of the three and and probably the one you need to be the most cautious with and the most careful with um it's just kind of a weird exercise laying down and you got both your arms going past the midline of your body and for a dude you're supposed to be able to do at least your body weight and then as you get stronger you're supposed to be able to do like double your body weight it's like that gets to be a lot that's a lot of fucking're supposed to be able to do at least your body weight. And then as you get stronger, you're supposed to be able to do like double your body weight.

Starting point is 00:47:05 It's like that gets to be a lot. That's a lot of fucking weight. Yeah. To press double your fucking body weight or 1.5 times your body weight and to have, there's like no other, there's no other situation in the real world where you ever would have weight on you with both your arms pinned back like that. with both your arms pinned back like that. Even if I was pushing on something, I would be doing so with the rest of my body. If I was pushing a car or had to push something to get something to move or had to defend myself,

Starting point is 00:47:34 it's like I wouldn't only be pushing with my arms and both my arms wouldn't be pinned back under any circumstance with that amount of weight. You can kind of make the same argument for some of the other movements too. And that's where, when you talk about a squat, while I think squatting is important and I think hip hinging is important, if we break down those movements and say, well, I don't really think that you always need to squat with a barbell on your back,

Starting point is 00:48:02 but again, a barbell squat is a nice movement because it allows you to handle a lot of weight. With great power comes great responsibility. It's a fucking hard movement. It's difficult. So you have to be really cautious on how you organize your body. What we've been told too, is we've been told,

Starting point is 00:48:20 we've been sold and told over and over again, full range of motion, full range of motion, full range of motion. Don't be a pussy. Go all the way down. And that's where things get a little fuzzy. When we had the go-to guys on here, I thought it was amazing how they pointed out, Ricky pointed out, one of the best ways to fix the bottom of your squat is to start out at the top. And you don't hear people preaching that that often.

Starting point is 00:48:43 But it makes a lot of sense. It's like, if you don't have the fundamentals down of how you're going to descend in that first quarter or first half of your squat, how are you ever going to get down to the bottom? Well, I'll tell you how you're going to do it. You're going to collapse your ankle bones inside, your knees are going to track inward and your back's going to round and you're going to throw your hands forward like this. That's how you'll get down to the bottom. your back's going to round and you're going to throw your hands forward like this. That's how you get down to the bottom. And it's like, that's not a great way to try to do that with a bunch of weight on your back.

Starting point is 00:49:12 And then so we end up with other movements. We end up with things like a front squat. You end up with, you know, just squatting and doing a goblet squat and trying to hold on to a kettlebell and squatting downward and squatting on a slant board. Like there's a lot of different things, but if you want to be big and strong, good luck trying to be big and strong without some of the fundamental exercises that have been around forever, a bench press, a squat, a deadlift, a bent over row, a seated row, a military press. You think they're necessary, like necessary, necessary to be. Here's why I think they're necessary is because it allows for an overload. It allows you to handle a good amount of weight.

Starting point is 00:49:53 So if you're a young guy getting into the gym and let's say you're a young guy getting into the gym and you can deadlift 225 pounds and you can bench 135 and you can squat 225. Those are all pretty good weights to be able to handle, to have that weight on your body, to have that overload. I don't know else how you're going to mimic it. It's not to say that you can't get a similar amount of volume by swinging around a kettlebell and by doing some other things. I just haven't really seen people build themselves up that well through that, but it is a possibility. And I think when you build yourself up to be stronger, all the intensity and all the volume that you're able to handle increases through the roof because now you're stronger on everything.

Starting point is 00:50:46 If you have a stronger grip from doing your deadlifts, then you might have a stronger back for all the different rowing movements that you do. So that's where I would think, can you achieve the same thing by just loading up pretty good on a lat pulldown? just loading up pretty good on like a lat pull down and i have seen i have seen some bodybuilders get really fucking big uh by using lighter weights however i think most of those people started their career with heavier weights and then realized that they didn't need them as much after they already built a pretty big frame. Again, I'm not saying it's impossible because that is just the way that I

Starting point is 00:51:33 grew up in this sport and that's just what I've seen. It doesn't mean that it's the gospel and doesn't mean it's the end of the story. there's an aspect to that where, you know, I do think that somebody can get big with just dumbbells. But I do think that there is something to overloading with barbells because that's what I found for myself. For the first few years of my training, I didn't do anything with a barbell. It was pure dumbbells. Just because the little gym I went to, there wasn't really that much space to do stuff with barbells. And for me, that was a little bit intimidating. I didn't have, there weren't as many guides or whatever. So I was doing everything

Starting point is 00:52:08 bar, like dumbbell deadlifts, dumbbell benching, dumbbell everything. I would work up to some pretty heavy dumbbells. But I did find when I did start doing the back squat, the barbell back squat, I did start doing some deadlifting. I was able to get through a few plateaus when it came to the volume that I was working with when it came to dumbbell work. It's like I had a different capacity for what I was able to work with in the longer run. It's like I had another set of newbie gains. That's how I looked at it because when my deadlift started getting stronger, I started to notice, well, my back is getting thicker. Deadlift isn't necessarily a back workout though.

Starting point is 00:52:42 But it did – certain aspects of my back started to get bigger and thicker because I was doing heavier and heavier weight when it did come to the deadlift. So although like I think there are probably – those movements I don't think are bad. I think that if you're an athlete and you have a specific athletic goal, overdoing those movements is not a, not really going to be that beneficial. I agree a hundred percent. Um, but if you are someone who is trying to stack on as much muscle as humanly possible, and that is your goal, uh, those barbell movements can help unlock a little bit more volume over time. And that's just my end of one. I know quite a few people who've experienced the same thing, but, you know, wherever you are in this journey, try some of that shit out for yourself and see what happens. There have been bodybuilders that have come across over the years that have been athletic that can on stage do like backflips and they express some really crazy like mobility and stuff. And you're like, holy shit, that's incredible.

Starting point is 00:53:55 But a lot of times the extra bulk and the exercise and the effort that it takes to put on the extra bulk and exercise oftentimes will lead to some compromises in your athleticism where you start to get into like some real crazy freak mode is like when you start to see someone like chris bumstead you know squatting like six seven plates um i believe i want to say i've seen him deadlift seven plates before like it's disgusting how strong he is and then you're like well you know if it's gonna be that strong then of And then you're like, well, you know, if it's going to be that strong, then of course he's got like the body that would look that strong. And then you're like, wait a second. He doesn't have a waist either.

Starting point is 00:54:31 This is unfair. He's got a giant back. He's got giant biceps, giant chest. He looks amazing. And he's a guy that has been able to blend stuff together really well. Here he is doing a dunk. Kaboom. That land was super. I know i i texted him i was like what was the price

Starting point is 00:54:50 how much how much that landing cost you he's like it fucking hurt i think i saw phil heath coming on that post um phil heath left a comment on that post like hey just remember what the goal is when you're doing this shit. Yeah, and I'm sure he'd be a great person to, I really hope one day we get an opportunity to meet him and have him on the show. Former soccer player. It would be great to, damn, yeah, you've got that athletic background, you know?

Starting point is 00:55:18 Yeah. Yeah, look at these squats. I mean, these are picture perfect. It's just like. I like it. Yeah, look at these squats. I mean, these are picture perfect. It's just like equivalent to 135-pound squat since Smith Machine is cheating. The other thing I'd say too is like if you are somebody that are trying to use some of the movements to gain a lot of size, you know, a squat or a deadlift, then I would, I would definitely suggest that you, um, that you at least try to, to work with some partial range of motions just to see how you like it because the partial range of motion stuff like doing, so let's just say that from the very beginning, whenever you did barbell movements, when they were light and you were warming up,

Starting point is 00:56:06 you did some full range of motion. But as soon as they got a little heavier, you either did a box squat or you did a bench press maybe with a slingshot on, or you did a partial range of motion by benching to some boards or something like that with heavier weights. And then anytime you worked your way up with some deadlifts, you did a partial range of motion with a deadlift as well. I think that would be an amazing recipe for somebody to build a lot of strength, whether they're young or whether they're old, and for somebody to build a body that has a good amount of muscle mass on it without the compromise. Because in my thought process of it is you're only going through these shorter range of motions with these heavier weights. But when the weights are lighter, you're still getting the expression of the full range of motion.

Starting point is 00:56:49 And then on top of that, it'd be really smart to do the rest of your workout with body weight movements. Maybe you do dips. Maybe you do pull-ups. Maybe you do push-ups. Maybe you do walking lunges. Maybe you do a farmer's carry. Maybe you do walking lunges. Maybe you do a farmer's carry.

Starting point is 00:57:13 Maybe you start to employ some other athleticism in your workout where you're swinging a med ball against the wall and you've got to catch it and react to it. We've talked before on the show about there's not really much reaction in the gym. There's not much reflexive or reflex work going on. And it'd be cool to try to use some of that. Maybe you punch a heavy bag for a little while so you get some good rotation work in. Or maybe you do some twists with a cable. Now it sounds like, and maybe a little bit of dumbbell

Starting point is 00:57:34 or kettlebell work, now it seems like you've worked in these normal planes of motion, these normal ranges of motion that people have been doing for years and years to build strength. Now it seems like you're doing some of these other things that people have utilized for many years to build muscle mass. Now you're also utilizing and employing things that people have done over and over again to build some athleticism. Sounds like you got the making

Starting point is 00:57:58 of a really good program at that point, in my opinion. And there's an aspect that I think is maybe a little bit overlooked because there are, for example, using the deadlift or a squat and overloading these movements a bit. Number one, you're not able to really work with weights that heavy with other movements, even on cable machines, right? But when I think of something like a front squat or a back squat versus something like a cable sissy squat, although you do feel the cable sissy squat in your quads, there's an aspect of the load being on your back or in your front for the front squat that when you feel it afterwards, you do feel compressed. And although there are probably different ways for you to actually have some decompression, hanging, doing glute ham raise or something to decompress the body. You need something like that.

Starting point is 00:58:49 The bone density benefits from doing those types of movements that are super heavy are things that I don't think you can necessarily get from doing lighter kettlebells as much as I like kettlebells or doing stuff on cables. lighter kettlebells as much as I like kettlebells or doing stuff on cables. Like there's been, there's proof to show that like doing those types of movements that really compact the body can have a benefit on your bone density. And that's pretty good for longevity. I don't think that I'd have the bone density I have that you'd have the bone density that you have, or a lot of these other paddlers like Chris Duffin.

Starting point is 00:59:23 And the traps and stuff like that. I mean, my traps are still like kind of big but like they used to be nuts and same i'm holding all those heavy weights on my back they were crazy and everyone's always like what do you do for your traps i'm like i just pick up heavy stuff i bench so so this is the thing i like even myself i'm doing things to kind of bring back some squatting bring back elements of squatting bring back elements of deadlifts but i have of deadlifts. But I have ways that I decompress afterwards. I have ways and I have things I do in terms of like just hanging straight off a bar, all the gymnastics shit I do nowadays. I have ways that I'm able to decompress the body after doing all that spinal loading. And if you can, if you're someone who cares about the way you move long run, but you do want to do

Starting point is 01:00:04 these movements, then add in some movements afterwards. That's going to loosen you up a little bit. So you don't stay perpetually like this. And every movement you do is super stiff, unless you're a competing power lifter and you need to be that stiff for your sport. If you want to move well, have things that allow you to express that movement outside of your barbell work. So you can kind of, you can have the best of both worlds because we want it all. I think that's where we're at with fitness too. Like there's a lot less people that are all in on powerlifting. It seems like, you know, there's still incredible powerlifters out there.

Starting point is 01:00:36 There's still people fucking crushing it. But it seems like that wave of how many people, like there was a lot of people getting into powerlifting. There was a lot of people that were like all in in terms of all the other things they did to be the best powerlifter they could be. People going as far as using performance enhancing drugs and thinking that was the best way for them to go about doing it. You just don't see that as much anymore.

Starting point is 01:01:01 You're seeing a little bit more, there's obviously like the TRT crowd and stuff like that. And there's people getting stuff prescribed and the young cat seem to just be really into the aesthetic thing. Yeah. Right. That's my main point is like the aesthetic thing seems to be taking off. And then it's like, well, if I'm going to look good, it would be pretty cool if I can like perform well and stuff. And I don't walk around with a hurt back or, or, uh, I can get my arm up over my head and I can have, you know a hurt back or, or, uh, I can get my arm up over my head and I can have, you know, have some sort of athletic performance. And it seems like that's

Starting point is 01:01:29 where most of it's going. And that's why I think we're going to continue to see a big shift in what's going on, uh, in fitness. And you're not going to, you're not going to see as much, as much people gravitating towards the barbell stuff, but the barbell stuff, I think, I think will always be a fundamental part, or at least it should be, it should be, uh, heavily considered, um, just for the simplicity of how you can overload your body with it. Andrew, what do you like, what do you, what do you think about that? Cause I know you're like, you've been really big into brignolio stuff stuff i know that when you've gone too deep into like dead lifting too heavy it has been it has led to injury so what are your thoughts on that yeah well first with like that that um like statement so like i have hurt myself in a squat

Starting point is 01:02:17 i've never hurt myself in a deadlift okay that's good i've felt pain from a deadlift right because that hinging movement does cause pain but i've never done a deadlift and like collapsed like uh that picture you know like it's never happened like that that didn't happen with the squat yeah but um so it's tough right because it's um i'm not gonna say conflicting views because like the stuff i've learned has been like super beneficial for myself. Right. Like I'm able to work out every day and not be in pain, make a lot of progress.

Starting point is 01:02:51 And then I'm able to come here and still like move around in the gym with you guys, you know, like, and I know the stuff we're doing is not too, we're not exerting too much energy most of the time. But like, I'm not like dragging my feet as I walk in. I feel good. You you know the workouts are making me feel better some days when I would come and train here you know like at four in the morning whether myself or with others I would like text Stephanie and be like dude today was a fantastic workout everything felt good it was fucking awesome and then other days and I'm not talking about pain I'm just talking about like general stimulus. I would text him like, yeah, I don't know, today wasn't as good.

Starting point is 01:03:29 And like I couldn't figure out why. And it's because maybe some of the movements weren't just vibing well with my body. And I just also just not as experienced. But now with the knowledge I do have from like Doug Brignoli and, you know, biomechanics and stuff, like I can put together workouts that make more sense. Um, so again, kind of going back to like, I'm not saying like we're going to debate any of it, but like when you're saying, you know, like, uh, like decompress after a workout compresses you, um, because of where I'm at, I would say like, I don't want to even get compressed at all right now. I can understand that. No, I can understand that. Yeah, there's that.

Starting point is 01:04:06 But I also want to live healthy and long, and I understand the importance of having a good strong bone density. Because when we got our DEXA scans, I think mine was like right at like normal. And then yours was like they couldn't even measure yours. Ryan was like whatever the end range was, he was like they couldn't even measure yours yeah uh ryan was like whatever the end range was he was like right there too and he's done power lifting for a very long time and he's super jacked and he's i mean i don't know what uh like his like injury background but i have seen him injured but he's always feeling really good so there's a huge part of me that

Starting point is 01:04:41 wants to get under the bar for a squat again um like it would be cool just to squat bench and dead my body weight which i'm again i know i can do it but can i do it without taking any steps backwards i'm admitting limiting depth i think so like oh yeah absolutely yeah for sure um and then just also like mobility and just understanding my body. Like I'd be able to squat way better now than before once I grease the groove and kind of start feeling things again. But like as of right now, doing go to stuff, doing the myofascial release stuff with Doug Brignoli's workouts. Like I'm in a really good spot right now. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:23 I do have some days where my back's just like, Hey, like, you know, you're still not completely done with me yet. Like I'm still going to keep fighting you, but it's gotten so much better. Like if you go back a year ago, I'm already way better. Go back a few months ago. I'd say I'm a lot better now still, you know, like still improving even from like that short of of time but uh yeah so when it comes to like the squat and the deadlift because of how i've been feeling and what i know about like my body and i guess how my body works i don't see myself doing those anytime soon with the deadlift probably a trap bar just to see how it goes yeah um and then with the deadlift, probably a trap bar just to see how it goes. Absolutely, yeah. And then with the squat, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:06:06 I'm not sure right now. I would rather do some cable sissy squats if I want to get a good quad pump and then a couple of other things for my legs, but it wouldn't be my first choice. A back squat, again, is another movement that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You know, from a squat makes sense. Like we can all agree that people squat, people still squat. We know about like the 10 minute squat. We know about like people, people rest like a squat as a

Starting point is 01:06:32 way to rest, but to put a weight on your back and then to try to figure out how to, all you're trying to do when you do a lot of these movements, you're trying to mitigate the stress that's being thrown at you. And so then you're like, well, let me contort my chest way up like this let me pull my rib cage uh up and let me pull my shoulder blades down really hard and then you're then you're like this and it's like well why like that's not a normal you know what i mean like an old-timey boxer yeah you just got in this really funky position and now you're trying to stabilize that through a range of motion. And you're asking your knees and your hips to bend quite a bit, and then there's a little bit of a hip hinge in there,

Starting point is 01:07:17 and it's like there's going to be compromises all over the place. So they're interesting movements, but how do you mitigate that? How do you figure that out? It's like, well, maybe you use different barbells. Maybe like, I don't know if there's a reason to really ever use a regular bar, especially with all the bars that we have in here. The other bars just allow you to like the cambered bar, the things down here. It allows you to kind of be a little bit more neutral

Starting point is 01:07:45 with the spine rather than like having to like uh over arch to get wedged into position properly i guess um and then uh like a safety squat bar just kind of allows you it's almost like almost like you're holding kettlebells or something like it it allows for a much different style of squat. So I think there's like a lot of different ways to try to figure out how to make these movements, um, a little bit, feel a little bit more natural.

Starting point is 01:08:14 And then also like, I'm, I'm a pretty big proponent of some of the stuff by Joel Seidman. I think he has a lot of good points. why not do these ranges of motion in shorter, you know, why not utilize shorter range of motion? I know people get all concerned about like, you know, how deep you're supposed to go with these movements, but I think he brings up a lot of good points. Yeah. And then also like being able to sit and rest comfortably in like an ancestral squat gets me more fired up than squatting 315.

Starting point is 01:08:46 Like I know a lot of people think that that's lame, but that's where I'm going because I don't want to be in pain anymore. And I just feel like if I can chill down there comfortably with my feet straight the way that Ricky does, that would be so fucking cool. Like I'm excited for that. I think over time though, you'll be able to do both. I'm not even saying three 15 mean like an one 85 to 25 squat. Like over time you'll be able to do both. Like you'll get into that amazing position and then you'll be able to get into that amazing position with a different type of bar on your back. Right.

Starting point is 01:09:18 And then you'll have tools. We, cause we already have tools because you know, how good is all like, they're not about that, but we have tools that will allow us not to have those movements mess our movement up. Yeah. So we can have it all. When you were a deadlift and a heavy ish, like you did what, like a three something deadlift, right? Yeah. So the goal was like just to see if I can get to three 15, but then like I was repping three 15 for multiple sets and I just,

Starting point is 01:09:44 I never went above that I don't remember why I didn't uh maybe you stopped me um but yeah I remember repping 315 for like multiple sets of 10 and like not really struggling with it either like it was a good stimulus and like I had to try but it wasn't like a shaky, like grinder, you know, it was, it was pretty easy for me. And we were at a pretty good streak back then with your back. Your back was pretty, it was pretty good, right? Yeah, it was, it was good.

Starting point is 01:10:15 Again, like I said, stiff here and there, it would get stiff. And I always wore a belt for literally everything. Don't you love that guy though, that you see in the gym, like bicep curls with his belt? Don't you love that guy though that you see in the gym like bicep curls with his don't you love that dude yeah uh well he was uh he was i think he was trap bar dead lifting this morning oh someone here i no no no at the other gym that i go to yeah no he was he was there today um yeah but he will do a lot of shit with that belt on but uh yeah so i was belted up all the time we did a lot of box squats um yeah the the main thing there was like you always were there to keep my weights in check so that was always helpful even though i kind of already knew i remember telling

Starting point is 01:10:56 you i'm like i'm not gonna you're not gonna get hurt yeah i won't let you get hurt right exactly and then so that and then you know we would do trap bar stuff, but I was always belted up and I just, yeah, I wasn't really, I wasn't doing anything that just caused more pain, you know, uh, was I doing stuff that got me out of pain? I think it's pretty safe to say, yeah, again, doing that hip hinge and like what you said, like working through it. I think it definitely was, but I still ended up regressing. I sure why, not sure what happened. Yeah. At some point when we stopped doing it, I think then you kind of, we were training together a lot. We were doing some of the bodybuilding shit together and stuff. And then, but you had to find your own way too. You know, I think that's important because you

Starting point is 01:11:37 were saying like, um, we had a whole crew coming in super early and, uh, I kind of recognized that like some of the people I was working out with, like they needed that 4 a.m., 4.30 workout. Otherwise they like wouldn't do any fitness on their own at all. And it wasn't so much you, but it was kind of more of the other people. And I was like, that's not great. And plus I needed to work on some other stuff. So I'm like, I need to sleep more. I need to be with my family a little bit more because those early workouts like that they shut my day down too early then i'm not with my kids as much so it's like i don't want any compromises with that so i switched things around and got my sleep to be better but um i think everyone needs to kind of you have to find your own way

Starting point is 01:12:20 you have to find your own way so you finding stuff to do at home and figuring out your own path, now you have your own path, and now there's no issue with consistency anymore. No, no. Yeah, a couple years ago that was an issue for you. Yeah, that's totally fair because, you know, like we'd have a guest on or something, and I'd be like, oh, I'm going to do that,

Starting point is 01:12:37 or I'm going to do kettlebells. And it's like I was always just looking for just something, like you said, just to keep my interest level high and um just keep me engaged and sometimes like the power lifting stuff like i would get kind of wrecked at the end of the day because like we just do too much like when i trained with the team fuck those workouts dude oh my god those guys always do a lot of they do a lot um i heard somebody in the gym talking about i forgot like i just kind of it was you know i've never trained that hard by the way. Oh my God. I've never done what they, they, they do a lot of shit. They do a lot of those workouts. Yeah. Oh my gosh, dude. Those workouts would absolutely wreck me. Like I just

Starting point is 01:13:17 wouldn't even want to drive home. I just be like, fuck it. I'm just going to go to sleep. I was like a four exercise guy. That's about, That's about what I got. Maybe a superset snuck in here and there. But Smokey, man, he loves to train. He'll go in there. He'll do seven, eight exercises and they're all hard. He goes hard on them. Let's correct some of this shit though because you're saying that

Starting point is 01:13:37 but when you were training, the loads you were lifting, the loads you were going with on a lot of your days were heavy fucking loads that are extremely fatiguing yeah it's not like you're going to like 400 or no i'm not saying those are light loads either but you were going up to some pretty wild loads when you were lifting now they're very time consuming too very time consuming even now though when you're lifting in the gym you are doing lifts in the gym and then you're running for a few miles right so

Starting point is 01:14:03 like let's let's not get this mixed up. Like your workouts now you're doing a lot, although it's spread throughout the day. Yeah. Right. Yep. So. Agreed. But I was just saying, cause like I heard somebody in the gym talking about, I forgot

Starting point is 01:14:17 what day, like if it's deadlift day, like, or like bench press day, but they were talking to each other about how like, they'll be thinking about it throughout the whole day like kind of dreading it and i was just like yeah i remember being like ah fuck like uh like whatever day it was and then like jesse would switch it up and like fuck i didn't want to squat today or whatever like i wouldn't be excited and then now it's like every morning like i'll beat my alarm and just be like okay it's time to it's time to get going you know because like now i look forward to it whereas before that wasn't necessarily the case you know one thing we do need to talk about soon though is like as much as we're talking about oh you know you don't have to be in like getting out of pain you don't be in pain for a lot of things you do a lot of things that we've

Starting point is 01:14:59 been getting into a lot of things that we're doing, there is an initial part where there's a little bit of pain and there's, you're brushing upon discomfort for weeks, especially when you get into some of these new ranges of motion, like your body doesn't like it. It doesn't feel good necessarily. Right. So it's important to understand that like, although yeah, the gym should help you feel good when you are opening up new capacities, there is a period of time where you don't feel comfortable, where you don't feel a hundred percent, where it doesn't feel good. Like there was a period where as I was doing some of the stuff, my feet, the tendons in my feet were sore because I was purposefully overdoing things to bring about fast change. Right. So, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:42 Kador and Ido, both of them are saying injury is necessary and injury is good. That's a funny one, which hopefully we'll talk about soon. But yeah, but you're right. There's, there's too much. And I've said this before,

Starting point is 01:15:53 like, uh, insert body part. Oh, it didn't like that. I'm not going to do that now. It's like, well,

Starting point is 01:15:59 the whole goal of all this isn't to just be comfortable all the time. You know, you got to create that stress and go through it and then improve because if not then you're just gonna turn into jello man the thing is adaptations a real fucking thing when we're doing all this shit it's like it hurts day one maybe hurts on day two maybe hurts for a few weeks and then your body adapts and then you just spring into some of these movements like it's a part of you. But the initiation period, like with anything, is not pretty. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:29 How do you find something that you maybe... Okay, you're 45. How do you find something that you liked? How do you find something you liked on iTunes? You got to go to your thingy and then call the guy. Let's see. You got to click. How do you do this shit? Maybe go to your thingy and then call the guy. Let's see. Click. How do you do this shit?

Starting point is 01:16:48 Maybe go to. You got to go to your profile, right? No? Photos and videos. Dude, what's with these fucking guys doing these like tricks in the gym? Like it's just getting insane. It's Dream World or whatever. That guy's fucking. Yeah, it's Dreams's dream world or whatever that guy's fucking yeah it's dreams world

Starting point is 01:17:06 that guy's insane and there's like another guy who's doing shit he's hanging off everything i know you're talking about fuck i forgot his name he does stuff that's so dangerous yeah his shit like he'll be he'll have like 10 dumbbells stacked and then he'll be doing push-ups off of like them when he's up in the air and if that shit falls he's he's splashing on that's a ton of dumbbells but he hasn't fallen yet apparently or maybe he hasn't just been off camera i saw a really sick video with um with method man he's being interviewed um did he talk about me yeah he talked a lot about you he was uh oh shit he was talking about getting over the hump mm-hmm check this out five years ago oh this is a memory look at all look out Jack we are that's what that's what

Starting point is 01:17:53 back when we used to train back to use the picture that I took I think I did actually no no this might just be a cell phone picture. But I remember being there. Oh, that's back when you get fired all the time. Yeah. Because the cell phone pictures were getting good. Yeah, and that was like an iPhone 8 right there. You get released. I got fired so much.

Starting point is 01:18:13 But I remember doing photo shoot for that tank top. Mm-hmm. Mark was doing strong man movements. I remember shit. I remember photos. Man, that's my story. That's cute. I don't know how to...

Starting point is 01:18:23 You guys were jacked. What happened? I don't know, bro you guys reject what happened i don't know bro we're old i don't know bro old and fat okay i don't know how you can find your likes yeah i used to be able to do that on instagram right remember oh y'all remember when there has to be a way you remember instagram always fucking told on you? It would show like when you like something. It's great when it tells people that you don't follow them anymore, right? That, but you remember when you used to like something, but then people would be able to

Starting point is 01:18:54 see Mark Smelly Bell liked this photo. Andrew Z liked this photo. I'd be super careful what I like. It's like, man, it would be looking good if my girl saw that I liked that photo. I mean, just unlike that shit. There's some side boob hanging out here maybe but like you can't help but like it why do you like that photo you're like i really like this look at how well her clothes fit that's all yeah i was wanting to get that for you babe it was explaining a lot of great stuff about nutrition it was awesome i just liked it as a bookmark so i can go back to my likes

Starting point is 01:19:24 and get you whatever she was wearing. Yeah. There is a way. I just can't figure it out. I thought you guys would be great friends. My cousin, she works with a lot of influencers for various companies and stuff. And so they would all follow her. So when they would like her stuff, she would get hella followers because these influencers have millions of followers.

Starting point is 01:19:44 And they're like, what the fuck? They're all liking this girl's picture. And it's like, just like simple like food stuff or whatever. And so she was like, when that shit went away, I just all of a sudden stopped getting followers. Yep. That's what happens. But so what are you looking for, Mark? We can see what we can find it.

Starting point is 01:20:01 Yeah. Yo, bring up that the clip of Shannon Sharp in the meantime. Oh, yes. I'm using the slang. Find it. Yeah. Yo, bring up that clip of Shannon Sharp in the meantime. Oh, yes, sir. Of him using the slang shadow. Let's see here. Dude, I'm a huge Shannon Sharp fan. I've been a fan of his

Starting point is 01:20:11 for forever. Shannon Sharpay. Yeah, there he is doing some bench pressing. Getting after it. Throwing around some fucking weight. He's on steroids.

Starting point is 01:20:24 He played, what, fucking 15 years in the NFL? The guy's a savage. He's on steroids, Mark. Oh, he's on fucking tons of steroids. Are you kidding me? I am actually kidding you. You weren't supposed to go along with that joke. Oh, oh, oh.

Starting point is 01:20:37 He's natty. Oh, man. He looks like he's dirty, man. Slingshot. He's incredible. He's incredible. Yeah, that's all anyone can ever talk about, right? Oh shot that's the money shot and here he is doing some reps but he talked about how he just started bench pressing a couple weeks back and the bench is moving really

Starting point is 01:20:54 well so this is cool uh so somebody let's see at way with numbers hi shannon how are those bands useful and then sh Sharp replies, you can handle heavier weight, more reps to prepare your body to lift heavier weight. Perfect answer to what the slingshot does. Yeah, he's selling it for me, man. He's trying to make that commission.

Starting point is 01:21:17 He's got that affiliate link. I was trying to find a clip of Method Band. He put it together so nicely about getting over the hump. And he basically, since I don't know how to find it, somebody interviewed him

Starting point is 01:21:28 and he was just answering the question and he was like driving in his car. But he said that he never knew what anybody was talking about when he talked about the hump.

Starting point is 01:21:39 He didn't work out enough to even get to like a hump. He would like work out and he would stop. He'd work out and stop. Then he started to work out enough to even get to like a hump. He would like work out and he would stop. He'd work out and stop. Then he started to work out and he got more into it. And then he all of a sudden one day realized that there was a hump that he went over and that he started being consistent with it.

Starting point is 01:21:58 But he like doesn't know how he got over the hump. He just knows that he heard people talk about like you got to get over the hump when it comes to like talk about you got to get over the hump when it comes to nutrition or you got to get over the hump when it comes to your diet. He was always confused by that but then one day he just once he was over the hump, he recognized that he was able to pass through one

Starting point is 01:22:18 or jump over one or whatever. It's just really interesting. That's the whole podcast right there. We have to go find that video and we have to talk about that because. He just, he nailed it so eloquently. I was like, man, he fucking just summed that shit up so good. Well, of course he did, right? He's really good with words and has been for decades, right?

Starting point is 01:22:34 Most people don't give themselves the time to get over the hump. It's like I had a buddy that tried jujitsu for a bit. He didn't get over the hump, but he quit before he got over the hump. He was just like, it's not for me. But I saw him every day practicing and i was like dude you just you didn't get over that hump where it became something you really like liked it's slow it's slow there's not always an enjoyment right there right then even the first few weeks it's like there's a hump you got to get over but once you're over that hump everything feels good and same with lifting same

Starting point is 01:23:02 with so much shit that we got to talk about that i can find the saved there are things too like where you um like uh like sometimes you work out and the feeling of a workout can be so compelling that you maybe show up again but then like i think you're expecting too much shit to happen yeah and so like then you have your shirt off or you see a picture of yourself and you're expecting too much shit to happen. Yeah. And so like, then you have your shirt off or you see a picture of yourself and you're like, I don't know if that's really doing anything. No, I hate that feeling. Or the same thing with like a diet.

Starting point is 01:23:32 You know, you can be on a diet for a couple of days and sometimes you start to feel like it's worked really well. You're like, oh, I'm starting to look a little better. Got a little momentum going. But I think that we celebrate, uh, some of these feels a little too much, a little too early. And it's not about the feeling. It's not about that stuff. It's about, it's going to be really long-term, you know, you feeling a little skinnier on Monday cause you, uh, did pretty good from the previous Monday. Like that shit doesn't matter that much.

Starting point is 01:24:01 That's cool that you feel good. That's great. That's a really great place to be. But the fact that you feel a little skinnier, that's not what you should hang your hat on because tomorrow you're going to probably feel fatter. Or if you screw up on your diet, you're going to not feel great about it. You're going to feel kind of ashamed. Like, man, I ate shitty over the weekend. I gained four pounds. You're going to be all sweating that four pounds and you shouldn't put much into either one. It's like a like, it's like a comment on Instagram. Don't put weight into people saying that you're great.

Starting point is 01:24:34 Don't put weight into people saying that you suck. Anyway, I think that's that for today. Take us on out of here, Andrew. Alrighty. Thank you everybody for checking out today's episode. Please drop us a comment down below and make sure you guys hit the like button on the way out and subscribe if you guys are not subscribed. Follow the podcast at MB Power Project

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Starting point is 01:25:01 It's the links in the description. Find the penis pump. The link's in the description. And Seema Indy on Instagram and YouTube. And Seema Yin Yang on TikTok in the description. Find the penis pump. The links in the description. That's me ending on Instagram and YouTube. That's me yin-yang on TikTok and Twitter. Mark. The penis pump. Penis pump.

Starting point is 01:25:11 Have you talked to the most recent person that we had one sent out to? Penis pump world champion? Mm-hmm. Tom Segura? I wasn't going to say that. How's that man's dick doing? Oh, he's been pumping. Did he send you any pics?

Starting point is 01:25:24 Oh, yeah. Get some pictures, man. Angry looking dick. Yeah. Aw. The head is just pulsating. No, I don't think he's had an opportunity to mess with it yet. You need some privacy for that shit.

Starting point is 01:25:35 That's a very intimate experience. You can't just be over here, just, and then your lady walks in. He's a comedian, though, and so is his wife. Yeah, but actually, you're right. It's not that bad if your wife walks in, but if your kids walk in, it's a comedian though and so is his wife yeah but actually you're right it's not that bad if your wife walks in but if your kids walk in it's a little weird yeah especially if you just keep going yeah depends on what kind of friends they have how's it going it's a joke it could be it could turn into a fucking party for all I know. Stop. Again. Sorry, guys.

Starting point is 01:26:10 Yeah, I had, Tom Segura also has the tank, so maybe he could use the two in combination to get that lower body training. He could push the tank, have the penis pump hooked on. Actually, that's a great exercise. One hand on the tank,

Starting point is 01:26:22 one hand on the pump, and just, you know? If the tank people just made a new mount for the penis pump, is that way you can go hands-free and still keep pushing? What if you push it, and when you push, it powers the pump? Oh, shit. There would have to be a release valve, though, because if you push too hard, you could blow your dick up.

Starting point is 01:26:39 Literally explode. Blow it all out. That's not good. That's a bloody mess. That one hurts my stomach. That hurt, yeah. Every man just heard that and just winced. Luckily, when you get the penis pump from the link below, it will come with a guide.

Starting point is 01:26:54 Please follow directions. You don't explode your dick. It comes with a program. Just pay attention to that program. Does the program talk about whether you should finish or not or does it go that far? Don't finish. Apparently, you're not supposed to finish. I was like, oh, that finish. Yeah, or does it go that far? Don't finish. Apparently, you're not supposed to finish. I was like, oh, that finish. Yeah, no, it says not to.

Starting point is 01:27:08 It does. It tells you in the instructions. We've got to read the instructions on the air. We will. I'll bring it. We'll read it on air. But please, men, if you do use the penis pump, just don't go over 10 millimolars, I think. And also, don't try to hack yours the way that I did

Starting point is 01:27:26 that's not a good idea it's PSI I got the chip put in mine you did? so it's souped up it's got the base and everything you always get the Tesla shit you had to get the electric one

Starting point is 01:27:40 we're still in old school can you use it from your phone? electric one. So like, we're still, yeah, we're still in old school. So old school pumping over here. Can you use it from your phone? They have some, I think they do have somewhere like there's an app. That's great.

Starting point is 01:27:52 Yeah. But you guys have the thing in your ass too at the same time, right? Funny enough. Um, no, not, not at the same time. Oh yeah. We, we, we bought some stuff. Susan gave us some suggestions for things to buy. No, not at the same time.

Starting point is 01:28:07 Yeah, we bought some stuff. Susan gave us some suggestions for things to buy. We did. We did. You'll have to let us know. And that's all the time we got for today. Strength is never weak. This week is never strength.

Starting point is 01:28:19 I'm at Mark Smelly Bell. Catch you guys later. Bye.

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