Mark Bell's Power Project - The Downfall of Modern Health Podcasts || MBPP Ep. 1039

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

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I am so tired of doing podcasts. We're starting to see a lot of podcasts and podcasters kind of getting bashed. And all the guests seem to contradict each other and say different things, but they're all renowned experts. I'm able to learn so many different things from our different guests and then take the things that fit myself as an individual. Fitness fads that won't be here in 10 years. Cold plunge, ice baths.

It's real easy to bash cold plunging because it is super popular. No one does those things. No one's doing the infrared, the ice bath. Why do people do this? No one does this. If Keto worked, why is nobody doing Keto anymore? I'm paying you, Spotify, so I don't get ads. And I'm getting ads either way.

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I think, uh, we're starting to see a lot of podcasts and podcasters kind of getting bashed. I see Huberman getting bashed all the time. It seems like they've scrutinized every, every little word or everything he says, which I guess is probably fair because he's coming off as a authority like in science. happens in these podcasts is sometimes you get a blend of like research personal beliefs tied into personal experience and sometimes hard to decipher like what's what and I just think that a lot of people are probably really jealous of Huberman what you were saying earlier about he said it

was like something else yeah no I said Andrew Huberman cold plunging and in and out are things that people love to hate because they're the best at what they do. Yeah, because they're popular. It's an interesting thing, too, because it's like, you know, a lot of people we're about to see, like, obviously, Lane Norton and Dr. Mike, a lot of people hate the idea of cold plunging. It's like one of those things that are seen like a fad. Saunas are seen like a fad saunas are seen like that i think we saw a clip from what's that guy's name troponin nutrition oh yeah well he was pretty much making a clip on how like a few years from now harris oh yeah justin harris yeah we could even pull up the clip because it's like it's i think it's literally on it's on maric helps i think it'd be good to pull up, actually. But he was pretty much mentioning no one's going to be doing this stuff in some time.

But the problem is we know how beneficial these things can be. And it's not like they're the top things you must do for optimal health, but they can obviously push you in the right direction. And we're always searching for things that are going to push us to be a little bit better. Yeah, I understand where these guys are probably coming from. They're probably coming from the fact of like, hey, man, like, why don't you just go to the gym and like train? You know, why don't you, you know, go on a run, go on a walk, you know, be active and start to engage in some healthy disciplines, some healthy practices. Like, what are you doing thinking about spending all this money on, like, red light therapy or getting a cold plunge? You should probably stick to the basics.

And those are all decent arguments. Yes. But, you know, why not incorporate all of it? Why not try? Like, what about there's some people that have a good diet and they're exercising and they still have something like psoriasis. And they have to, like, figure things out. And then they have to try to go ketoiasis and they have to like figure things out and then they have to try to go keto and then they try to go carnivore and then they try red light therapy and they end up eventually landing on something we've seen this with some guests

we've had previously chad mendez comes to mind i've heard this from other people as well they land on something that really starts to work for them. So I think, you know, the podcast world and the fact that we get this long content, I think is a huge benefit. I do think that we should always be paying attention to who's delivering the information. And we should also think about the information that's getting delivered to us as well. Is this advertorial? Is this an advertisement that's attached to money? You guys know from us, you know, we authentically share who sponsors the show, but it would be hard to know unless you actually know us on what's a sponsor and what's not. Like maybe the Fiji water that's sitting here, you know,

maybe that's like a secret sponsor or something like that. And they're not. Right. That'd be dope though, Fiji. And yeah, kind of regardless of what we say or how we say it, some people might think we're lying or they might think that we're embellishing something to try to make money some other way. And some people might totally believe everything that we say. And I don't think that's a good way to listen to really anything or anybody. I don't think you should necessarily blindly believe anything. I think you should investigate it and look into it yourself. But when you hear somebody saying that, you hear somebody saying they've had anxiety for like 12 years and then cold therapy of some kind, just maybe doing it in the shower first and then recognizing what the shower did for them. And then they invested in a cold plunge and they say that

it changed my life. A light bulb goes off in my head and I'm like, I should check into that if that's something that I think that I need. I think before we watch this Justin Harris thing and then before we get into more of this, one thing is look at yourself as an individual. Because there's actually a really good video and I think we'll link it down there. James Smith made a video and it's killing it right now. And it's like the problem with modern podcasts or the downfall of modern podcasts. And a lot of comments that I was seeing there, and a theme in that video, James mentioning is that, oh yeah, podcasts like Hooverman or Diary of a CEO, they'll bring on one guest. And then next week they'll bring on a guest that contradicts what that guest said. And then they'll have all these different guests. And then people were like, yeah, you know,

how are we supposed to figure out what to do if we're getting all of this conflicting information? And I understand how difficult that is, especially if, you know, you, you, you're working, you have your job, and then you try to come to a podcast to tell you what you should do, but you're an individual. And that's kind of why I kind of like what I love what we do, because even myself, I'm able to learn so many different things from our different guests and then take the things that fit myself as an individual and that worked for me to bring to have my own formula for my health and fitness, which doesn't look exactly like yours and doesn't look exactly like yours. But we've been able to take these concepts from different people who sometimes have contradictory ideas and form the opinion for ourselves. And that's what I, I think that's what the goal should be because we can tell you the big levers, sleep, whole foods for nutrition, get some exercise, get walks, get different, like you do those things. A lot of levers are pulled, but then there's some extra things that can really push you in the best direction for yourself. And we've had some guests come on the

show and say some stuff where we're like, nah, but then we try it or like a little, a little bit of time goes by and we're like, uh, maybe they were right. And sometimes you're like resistant to it because of previous beliefs or previous thoughts. Yeah. And then you actually try it and you're like, ah, shit, they were, you know, they were right. So we don't really know what's right or wrong all the time. Um, even ourselves, even when we're interviewing people, we're not always 100% sure. It takes a while. You have to stack it up against previous beliefs.

But in the case of a show like The Diary of a CEO, I actually think that Stephen Bartlett is, he's like sciencing the entire thing. And what I mean by that is like, you can tell as he goes through the podcast that he has his own thoughts. You can kind of tell he has his own beliefs. higher thing. And what I mean by that is like, you can tell as he goes through the podcast that he has his own thoughts. You can kind of tell he has his own beliefs, but I think he's trying to, I think sometimes he's hopeful that things will line up with his beliefs.

And sometimes he's disappointed that doesn't line up with his beliefs because he wants to like, you know, kind of continue down the same path or something like that. But I also think that he is testing some of his beliefs and some of his theories constantly. And that's what the show is about. And that's why the show will have one guy on, you know, saying that, you know, vegetables are, you know, killing you. And he'll have the next guy on saying, you need diversity in your diet in order to have a really healthy gut microbiome. And then he'll reference the other guy. He'll say, this other guy said, I'm kind of confused. And that helps, I think, helps walk the listener through all this kind of noise that's around us because we hear the same

thing. We hear that eggs are good on one hand and eggs are bad and you shouldn't eat the yolk and you should eat the yolk. You should only eat the yolk or you should only eat the whites. It just goes back and forth and you start to get very confused. Yeah. It would be, in my opinion, it would be so lame if we only talked about people or talked with guests that were always in favor of our opinions or our ideas. And we never challenged ourselves or challenged the guests. And we never got out of this echo chamber where, you know, fatty cuts of meat are super healthy, eggs are super healthy, we don't need vegetables, all this stuff, right? Like, in my opinion, I think that would be so lame because we would never challenge ourselves and we would never get like, I mean, more information as a whole to be

able to decide for ourselves, not just have somebody speak and say, yep, that's gospel. Going to do that forever. It's eye-opening to learn about something like a carnivore diet. You learn about it, you hear about it, and you're like, okay, that's kind of cool. I get to eat this amount of meat and I get to choose these fatty cuts and stuff. But then you start to hear from Stan Efferding that dietary fat should probably represent about 33% of your overall calories. I'm not someone that counts calories. So I'm like, man, what does that mean? 33%, you know, I'm trying to do some math.

And then furthermore, when you go beyond that, say 33% of those calories should be from saturated fat. And you want to be cautious that you don't start to go over that and so you start to like get information from like this guy that guy you have someone like mike dolce who will who will um maybe suggest that you don't eat too much saturated fat as well then you get another guy who might say it and then you might even hear from um from sean baker you might even hear him say well yeah like you got to be cautious. Like if you're going to overeat and you overeat unsaturated fats, it might not be the healthiest thing for everybody, you know?

And then so you end up with some information for yourself and now you can start to figure out, maybe I should get some leaner cuts of Piedmontese. Maybe I shouldn't just, you know, order these giant fatty ribeyes at every meal. And then though, this is where you treat yourself as an individual. You make specific dietary changes.

You make specific dietary changes. You potentially get some blood work done to see where your levels are in terms of ApoB cholesterol. And you see, does this idea apply to me at this point in time? Because for me, I eat a lot of saturated fat.

I eat a lot of fatty cuts of meat. My ApoB and my cholesterol are fine. But that doesn't mean that- For now. For now. Just wait. Just wait. But that's why-

Are you eating plants? That's why I get my blood work done multiple times a year. Like these are the things that you have to put into practice because then you can see how does this diet fare with my biology? You have to treat yourself as an individual. You can't just listen to what one person says is the ideal human diet, follow up blindly and not treat yourself like you are an N of one. You are your own experiment. And that's why I think it is good not to just like, cause there are some people that will come onto the show and be like, plants are trying to kill you and this is bad and this is bad be careful when listening to

them because you don't have to listen to everything they say but maybe some of that stuff is actually beneficial for you maybe some of these plants do cause issues for your gut they don't for mine but maybe for you they do and it's something that you probably should listen to. Maybe I enjoy shitting my pants. Ever thought of that? Sometimes it is. I mean, remember when you were a baby and you just sat there and then you're just like, it's nice and warm and cozy. Do you remember that? I don't remember those times, but I remember having babies and they do that. I'm one of those guys who remembers like when he was three years old.

And just sitting there in the corner. I'm lying to you. I remember, but I don i remember shitting my pants i remember like being on a trampoline and accidentally shitting my pants everyone's got those like ah let me give you guys an embarrassing little tidbit about myself which i've never mentioned before is it that tiny penis thing that you're playing with actually it does have to do with this i was i was a late bed wetter dog oh shit yeah no way yeah now i'm in my 30s and like it's my childhood so i can get past that has to do with this. I was a late bedwetter, dog. Oh, shit. Yeah. No way. Yeah. Now I'm in my 30s and it's my childhood

so I can get past that shit, but I was a late bedwetter, dog. My dad was too, and he always made fun of me for it. Oh my god. I'd go over to his house, I'd piss the bed at like 10 years old. He'd be like, you still doing this, kid? But he was himself, though? Yeah, he was too.

What a man. Sorry, I'm not going to say anything mean. He's not doing trash on you? you still doing this kid but he was himself though yeah he was too what maybe he's genetic I'm not gonna say anything mean he gave me the size though so I can't I can't I can't trip you know true that

you talking about your dick nah we'll keep that a mystery you guys ready for this clip speaking of dicks let's play this clip from wayne norton wait do you want

I'm kidding I'm kidding, Landon. I'm laughing at something else I saw on the other side of the room. I promise I'm not laughing at that. All right, here we go. Bath and you want to like, you know, do some of this other stuff and infrared sauna, whatever. Like, hey, cool. I'm all for it. But don't spend an hour in an ice bath

in an infrared sauna and meditating if it means you're not going to go exercise. You know no one does that, right? What's that? No one does those things. Oh, meditating and doing... No one's doing the infrared, the ice bath. You could count.

Well, if they do, you know about it because they post about it on social media. The week they do it. Right. Because we're putting on Apple Watches to track steps in our heart rhythms, and then no one counts them after two weeks. We're putting on fitness trackers that you said on previous podcasts that are not really accurate when it comes to calorie burning during exercise. They're giving false alerts about cardiac things that they're then bringing into my office, and I have no idea how to handle it. But yeah, we have experts that- Can you pause real quick?

Dude, is it me or do they look also very similar? They both have the same nose. Exactly same nose. Yeah. All right, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. And they're both attractive men. So I'm not dissing you guys on your noses.

I have a large nose myself. Why do people do this, No one does this shit. Because like, I mean, we'll have this clip from Mike Dolce, but Mike Dolce was like, no one does the keto diet. No one does the carnivore diet. Like, no, we know people who do these diets. And it's definitely an exaggeration. And he's like, no one does the sauna. No one does a cold plunge. I'm like, well, we do. And we know a lot of people who do. We know people who are doing it outside of just posting on Instagram. I haven't posted on Instagram in a while and I still do it. I think he's trying to say that maybe people don't do it consistently, but we still know a lot of people that do it consistently. I think you've been in

the sauna for a while. I sauna every fucking week. It's not even, I go to a place to get a sauna because I, it's like you're, it's inexpensive sweat. It's inexpensive increasing your heart rate. It's just, and there's been so much research as to how good it is for you, but I can feel how good it is for me in terms of recovery and more. So the thing is, is like, I get what Lane was saying, where it's like, these are not the top levers.

You know, if you're not sleeping, if you're not working on your nutrition, don't go fucking buy asana and a cold plunge and do those things. But at the same time, these are things that do and can move people's health forward. And it's so unfortunate that people are like these guys are just they're just looking at it like it's a fad. I get when influencers start doing something in mass that people like this are like, oh, the influencers are doing it. But in some cases, maybe there is something to it.

I think we like stuff that you can see, you know, and when you can see like a profound impact from something, whether it be a diet or whether it be like lifting, you could see that someone's shoulders got bigger. Someone got leaner from this particular diet protocol. bigger. Someone got leaner from this particular diet protocol. And the only real information we have on like getting leaner at the moment is that somebody needs to like be in a caloric deficit, right? And so you can kind of see that. But what happens when somebody is on a different style of diet and they're not really losing pounds necessarily, maybe slowly they're losing grams and maybe their body's just more efficient.

Maybe the mitochondria in their bodies is more efficient because they reduce their carbohydrates or maybe their insulin sensitivity is getting better, but we can't always see all these things. And I think that's where we kind of get caught up is with cold plunging and the red light therapy. From a visual perspective, it looks kind of cool to post on Instagram or whatever, but it's all feel, right? It's like, oh, I feel like, what are you getting from that? Like, I don't know. I feel good. And it's interesting that that's not enough. But feeling good is really important. I mean, you have days sometimes where things are just a little rougher your body's a little beat up maybe you're a little agitated you're a little frustrated

like that kind of sucks and there's a lot of people suffering a lot of people going through a lot of different things and imagine if you just could have a discipline to turn your shower to cold for 30 seconds which is free yeah and that just assists you. It helps you. Or breathing practice or the red light therapy gives you a little bit extra energy. Seems like people are really complaining a lot about having lack of energy. It seems like the energy drink companies are just everywhere. Like there's more and more of these energy drinks coming out all the time. And maybe we need to stop kind of looking just in that one spot. Maybe we start looking in other areas.

How do we make our body more efficient with what we already have? And the cold plunge and the light therapy, to me, they make your body more efficient, period. And if you look into it and you start to look into it deeply and listen to just a handful of podcasts, you'll see that the information is there.

The science is there to back it up. It will make your body more efficient. It will make your metabolism more efficient. It's not going to necessarily make you burn a bunch of body fat. You're not all of a sudden going to be like, oh man, I did that. I lost 20 pounds. It doesn't work that way. But over time, it can be something that can help you be healthier. And like, there's two things that Lane mentioned there. He kind of mentioned meditation at the beginning. We've had multiple people on the podcast talk about the benefits of mindfulness,

meditation, becoming present. Like that's a big deal. Alan Belcher, who's a heavyweight world champion, Andy Triano, who's worked with countless professional athletes and make sure that meditation is part of their practice. Dan Garner, who also helps his athletes with that. Like these things aren't minuscule. They are not fads.

They are things that really move the needle for people. And the unfortunate thing is that I get why they're saying this somewhat, but they are also two professionals and it's like they're putting all their eggs in specific baskets, right? And those baskets are good, but I think there's a lot more

things we can do. And we've know that there's a lot more things that I can do that can really help people that we shouldn't call fads. Cause maybe it's not great for you. Maybe Mike, you don't like getting in a, in a cold plunger or a chili bath, but that little chili bath helps a lot of fucking people and we shouldn't shit on it because you don't dig it. Yeah. Or, or we shouldn't, um, you know, shit on it because the, uh,

the, the, uh, the studies don't show a significant, uh, whatever. I forgot the terminology of it, like a significant difference or significant.

They do though. That's the thing. But what I'm saying is like, that's what sometimes that they'll say. And then, so it kind of gets written off because it's like, it was, this is a terrible example.

You can obviously tell, I don't read those studies, but it'll be like 0.1% increase in, And then so it kind of gets written off because it's like it was this is a terrible example. You can obviously tell I don't read those studies, but it'll be like zero point like one percent increase of blah, blah, blah. And it's like, oh, therefore, it was not a significant increase in X, Y and Z. And it's like but in my head, I'm like, well, it's sort of like, you know, my bank account gets like zero point zero zero one percent better. Like I'm going to want that extra little tiny bit wherever I can get it, right? If I can get like a percentage of a penny like per day or whatever, yeah, give me that extra little percentage. So I just think it's weird that if, you know, you wait for the studies or you wait for the science or whatever, like, man, you're going to be missing a lot of these percentages, you know, every single day when you could be getting better. But at the same time for these

specific things to mention again, the studies studies are there like the dopamine benefit of cold punches is known by everyone at this point there are studies on red light therapy and its benefits so it's like if you're someone who was like wants to lean so hard on that that shit's there right and we've talked about how like yeah we we we pay attention to studies, but we also literally try to also pay attention to people's anecdotes and also our experience with these things. Because not everything we get benefit from, but when we do, we're going to communicate that. You're thinking for yourself.

It's crazy. See if we can play more of the video here. Okay. They're saying, these are the things, these are the miracle things. If you go into ice bath under this protocol and it's like, dude, take your protocol and shove it because it's like, it's not real. I practice real medicine. When I say real medicine, it's so imperfect and so shitty. And I see how hard people's lives are and what variables are in their lives from their

mental health, their social relationships, whether or not they wear a seatbelt, how fast they drive. And then I'm saying, I'm going to control everything in your life because you took a chilly bath in the morning. What other options does this guy have? What's he going to do? He's going to just prescribe you medication. You know, like at best, he might go over a diet with you. He'll probably be mindful enough.

Like he brings, he'll do lifestyle stuff. Right. And they might do like various exams and tests and stuff, but they're kind of limited. You know, I think, I think in today's world,

you, we do need to like decentralize a lot of stuff. And medicine is one of them. You need to be your own doctor. You need to figure out a way. I mean, when stuff happened with your mother, it's like you had to step in and like start to learn shit. You got to learn stuff about like cancer because you're like, I don't know, it sounds wrong. Like

everyone just thinks like the chips are stacked against you 100% and they're not even really looking into. There's not even any conversation of other forms of medicine. It's just like, we got this like one treatment, it's either this or this, and both of those options seem to stink. So it's like, can we at least, you know, open up our mind a little bit to try some other things? I mean, I was listening to a podcast today. This was referenced on Joe Rogan as well.

I'll send the video to you guys, but this guy was talking a lot about ice baths. And this guy, he fixed his own situation. I think he had something wrong with his prostate via some cold therapy. And it was mentioned on Rogan and Rogan was like, yeah, this guy did it every day. And I didn't really realize how informed this guy was. I thought it was just some guy that like just gotten like a cold tub. But this guy was. I thought it was just some guy that like just got in like a cold tub. But this guy helps other people out as well. And he just cited time and time and time and time again that he was able to assist a lot of other people that had life-threatening diseases and situations. I'm

not saying that that's proof of anything. But I mean, after a while, you got to start to kind of look at some of these things when you're starting to hear empirical evidence, you got to start to say, well, shit, something's going on. Maybe it's just the fact that they're away from their phone for a little while and they're doing the cold and they're doing the red light or whatever it might be. Like there could be other things at play. So there has to be like further investigation and further studies to learn what's really at play. But that's a pretty big deal in my opinion. My mom recently got her blood work done with Merrick a little bit ago. She's on some specific supplements. She's doing some things at home because when she went to the hospital for an issue she was having for her chest, all she got was medication. And that medication was actually

not helping her as much as she wanted it to. And now she's moving in the right direction. But it's like, again, she wants, and I'm not saying there's not a problem with doctors, but doctors have so much that they can do for a lot of people. And a lot of times it does come down to, I'm going to give you a pill. I'm going to give you something to fix it. Not always bad because those things can save people. But at the same time, habits, lifestyle changes, these types of things that are talked on on podcasts with ads, like these things can help change people's lives. The amount of

people that are like literally in our discord and in this community who's like, I've lost all this weight. I've changed my life in this way. It's like, because they've taken specific information that works for them and they've applied it to their lives and now they're moving forward. So just because you're a doctor and you see certain things on a daily basis, that's great. But a lot of people are now able to do some stuff on their own and benefit from the information, the fad information that they're getting. And it's not harmful at all to utilize that in combination with a doctor. Nope. You know, the doctor has certain recommendations and maybe they do prescribe something.

And maybe that pill could help you or could help bridge the gap in the meantime while you're going through this, whatever it might be that you're going through. Maybe your blood sugar is bad and maybe you need to take like metformin for a little while. But this idea that they're going to like supply you with something and then you're attached to that forever probably isn't a great idea. And so why not explore like, hmm, I wonder what are some other things that could help burn up some of my sugar? Oh, would you look at that?

Lifting weights can really be amazing for stuff like that. Having more muscle mass can be a storage area for glucose. Maybe that would help. And you start to gather more information. And the way that we gather information now is through the internet. And a lot of it is coming from podcasts. Yeah. According to like statistics, one and a half more people in my immediate family should get cancer just based off of numbers.

There's a really good chance that none of us will. But if I happen to be one of those persons that, you know, gets cancer, I'm not going to follow traditional medicine i'm going to follow stuff that i've heard on podcasts because i saw what the route is when you just follow traditional medicine and i'm talking like elementary school level ketogenic type stuff where you know like you hear about um you know like the ketogenic diet and how its benefits on like cancer or whatever potentially um even stuff like that where i'm like why are you telling my mom that has stomach cancer that she can and should eat ice cream like that sounds weird to me i don't like that but this uh this other guy that's saying like maybe a cold plunge

might have been able to help i'm gonna at least explore it right if if that's me i know for sure that route didn't work so i'm gonna going to go this other route because, hey, maybe it will work. Or in conjunction with this other side too. Right. But if I couldn't think for myself and if I didn't have access to podcasts, then I might not have those thoughts. Cool. Keep playing it. Do you know why it's chili baths?

This is my theory why people are doing the baths now I think it's because it looks cool for social media cryotherapy created too many problems and was too expensive for them to run and people were having too many effects because it was so extreme that this is the downgrade where they could still make some money

yeah pause, did you guys actually because I did a little bit of cryotherapy when I was in my early 20s, like two sessions. It didn't really do it for me. It wasn't very helpful. But did you guys do cryo at all? I've done it before.

I would say I noticed maybe like a similar impact, but it seems to be quite a bit different. I remember going into the chamber or whatever, and I was able to move around in there as if I felt like I came out of the cold plunge. But the water is just – I think it's way different. I think the best cold therapy is water. But if you can go outside and get some cold exposure that way and stuff, I think that that's still beneficial. I just think it's beneficial in maybe a different way. At this point, nasal breathing while you're asleep is no longer something that just us bros do, but people are realizing that it can make a big difference in your sleep quality, your recovery, and all aspects of sleep.

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like soreness reduction, inflammation, but the- For how long? Right. And when I say for how long, I don't mean how long in the moment. I mean, how long after you become cold adapted to this thing, does that affect stay? I think what I tell people is I kind of use the-

So let's talk a little bit because when it comes to cold plunging, you can become cold adapted after a certain point, but it's still not an easy thing to do. Even if you are adapted to cold, you might be able to stay in there for a little bit longer. But I've noticed that when I've done it for long periods of time, because of what I try to do is I'll do it for a while and then I'll take a break. But even when I do it for a while, I still get that benefit of the feel good for hours afterwards. Inflammation is reduced because I do jujitsu multiple times a week. So my body gets beat. That effect still stays. Again, end of one, but that's one thing that I've noticed for myself

and other people have mentioned the same thing. How about yourself? Yeah, you don't really get adapted to it. It's still switching on like a mechanism in your body for you to produce more heat, and you're still going to feel fucking cold. You will. That's how you can tell someone hasn't fucking done it. Yeah, and on some days you're going to feel way colder.

On some days i feel like i feel like a bug under like a magnifying glass like i'm so uncomfortable in there i'm like those the days that you feel less recovered too right i think yeah it feels like sharp like it like kind of hurts almost i'm like oh my god and then other days i get in there and feel fine but i don't think you really get – maybe you adapt to it a little bit. Maybe you get a little bit used to it. I remember when I lived in New York, like you get used to the cold weather and you just don't care and you don't wear a jacket and you just don't really give a shit. You get used to it after a while and you're like, oh, it's 40 degrees.

It's like not a big deal. The sun's like kind of sort of out and I feel fine. and you're like, oh, it's 40 degrees. It's like not a big deal. The sun's like kind of sort of out and I feel fine. So you do kind of get, you adapt to it a little bit, but like we're just talking a couple degrees. So, you know, lower the cold plunge if you have to. Or, I mean, there's other things you can do.

Like if you need to increase the difficulty of it, you warm yourself back up through exercise and or stand in front of a fan or something like that when you get out of the cold plunge nope like whatever whatever way you gotta uh you know make it challenging for yourself and make it something i think that one of the important things is and this is mentioned by david goggins and uh andrew huberman on their podcast that they did get together and huberman was citing that the area of the brain that willpower comes from expands and grows larger when you do the thing that you don't want to do.

And so if you get really used to the cold plunge being 55 degrees, like just lower it down a little bit. Get yourself used to the next level of it and then get yourself used to the next level of it and so on. yourself used to the next level of it and so on. At a certain point, it gets so cold that you just, you're not going to really ever, in my opinion, you're not going to adapt to the water temperature being like close to freezing. One thing I want to mention too, because this was mentioned in the James Smith video, and he mentioned it with like, oh, well, cold plunge, it became something easier for people to sell versus cryotherapy. On our show, we work with sponsors who pay us and we make money selling these things and talking about

some of these products. But all of these products have been in line with things that we have been talking about for years and have brought us benefit. There are many sponsors who have wanted and continue to want to work with this show, but we do not dig their stuff. It has not brought us benefit. We don't fully actually believe that. It'll bring the viewer the benefit that we are looking for. So I think it's important to understand, like, yes, we do work with companies.

We do make money. But at the same time, we're sharing things that we believe are truly going to make a difference to the listener. Now, not everybody does that, okay? But at the same time, it's like, I just want it to be understood that we are sharing things we actually believe in.

That's why we don't work with a crazy amount of sponsors. Yeah, and we have no problem being transparent and saying the podcast isn't free. Like, it's on a free platform. You don't have to pay for it, but we're trying to sell to you. It's fine. That's just the way it is. Yeah, but we're trying to sell to you. It's fine. That's just the way it is.

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We don't have a VPN. But if we did, it would be slash power project. I do think it's worth pointing out that Lane Norton is trying to interject some science into the conversation. But for some reason, the doctor maybe is excited to talk to Lane and he kind of keeps cutting him off because it seems like Lane's being pretty rational about it. He's like, actually, there is some science to show certain things with cold plunging. Again, I think it's real easy, as Andrew was pointing out, it's real easy to bash cold plunging because it is super popular and you are seeing everyone talking about it. And I think that a lot of those individuals don't really know what it does, but that's

okay. It's still probably a net positive for a lot of people. Let's say all this stuff is I want to pick up as much weight in boulders as I can get or as much weight in rocks as I can get. I'm going to focus on picking up the boulders first, right? Because I can – like I get a lot from my – big bang for my buck by picking up a boulder. If I can get some pebbles after that, cool. I'll take them. But I'm not going to drop the boulder so I can pick up the pebbles.

And I think that is the problem is when you say this is important and this is important and this is important, this is important. People don't know how to like what's the most important. And so one of the things I'll tell people is I kind of boil it down into like, I'm still working on this pitch. So forgive me. I like it. But there's, I think there's kind of like six pillars that I would say, Hey, this may not be perfect, but it's going to get you 95% of the way there to optimal, which is don't eat too much for your given amount of energy expenditure. Basically don't become obese. Stay at a healthy body weight. Don't smoke.

Don't consume or very much limit your alcohol consumption. And same thing goes for drugs. Exercise vigorously. Sleep. Try to be consistent with it too. Like, not just the duration but also the times

and then the last one I've added is managing your psychological stress I think that is the older I've gotten the more I feel like I've seen that be very pervasive that affects it's kind of like

the tip of the pyramid that comes down that's affecting sleep why do people do drugs i mean so this is where circadian rhythm can come in to play like if if you don't get sunlight your uh mindset is going to be very poor that's why there's something that's called seasonal depression you know when it's wintertime and even here in california like people get really bummed out in california if it's cloudy for a couple days and it's raining for a couple days people get really bummed out so it's an it's an interesting thing and i i really appreciate that he does mention uh you know your mindset psychology how to manage your stress and these things. But they also are getting managed

by your daily disciplines, the things that you probably have access to that you could easily do, like getting outside, going on a walk. You don't necessarily need to like cold plunge necessarily, but these are all things that could potentially make you feel good, and they could be things that potentially allow you to handle stress easier. That's the whole point in us lifting weights and doing the exercise and the things that we like doing is because, A, it makes us more confident, but B, it also is like a simulator, the simulator of life. There's other stresses going on in life. And the more that you get used to stressing yourself on your own accord, in your own circumstances, your own way, the better you're going to be able to handle other stresses. And this is one thing where it comes to figuring out habits, right? Because there are going to be certain things that you want. Like Lane, that was really well put.

Food, smoking, alcohol, drugs, exercise, sleep, psychological stress. But when someone comes into all this and they're like, okay, I'm going to change my life. You can't do everything at once. It's going to be hard to, I won't say you can't, it's going to be very hard to try to take down everything at once. So you're probably going to want to handle that sleep, right? And then it's going to take a little bit of time to get things around your sleep architecture, that you can probably handle food, that you could probably start handling exercise or microdosing exercise, doing a little bit and slowly increasing over time. This stuff takes time, right? But now, as you handle those things and you want to add in certain things that could bolster things, if you do maybe want to start adding in some red light therapy,

because that'll help your light in the morning and maybe help with certain aspects of that. That could be really good to help move you in the right direction. Is it going to be the biggest pillar? No, but it could help these big pillars work better. And that's why we talk about these things because we've always talked about the basics, right? But the other things we talk about are going to help, I believe, as they've helped me, they will help everything work better. Yeah, I love what he said about like me, they will help everything work better. Yeah. I love what he said about like the boulders and then the pebbles and that sort of thing,

because like just having that skill and knowing kind of what boulders that I need to pick up, even when stuff gets busy, I stay in pretty good shape. I stay healthy, even though I'm not picking up all the pebbles anymore at this point or whatever I'm going through at that time, knowing which boulders to pick up, and I really do like that analogy a lot, has just kind of kept me in good shape and healthy. And then in time, I know which pebbles I want to go pick up later. So I think that was really well said. His top six, maybe as he gets older, will maybe rotate around and six will be number one. It should be, but he also might rotate around and six will be number one. It should be.

But he also might not be mentioning them in any particular order. He might just be rattling them off. It goes both ways. This is bidirectional. You know, like what's happening in your body affects your mind and what's happening in your mind affects your body. And I think that's a big one that people really overlook. And I think the reason is because it's freaking hard to manage psychological stress. It is hard.

And I am somebody who am just now feeling like I'm starting to get to the point where I can actually like self-soothe without like something really bad happening. And me having to text five people or like punch a pillow or like go outside and yell, like that's taken me a long time, you know? And I think there's a lot of people who, my friend John Deloney, again, he's like, alcohol is great at what it does. He's like, yeah, you'll know that.

It's great. He's like, and it trains people that like, hey, this is a great solution in the short term. That's a hell of a thing for him to admit on there. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I think your psychological stress, allowing it to accumulate and then not addressing it I think is a huge thing.

And I think that people don't think about it. So people go to the gym. This is a huge issue within people that are active, especially people that, like, actively love to do workouts. Not necessarily just the weight room, but people that love exercise or working out to some degree because they go and, like, work it out, but they don't. You're working out.

It's time for my therapy. Yeah, all you're really doing is getting out some energy. And yeah, you could be getting out some negative energy and you could be feeling really good and you could be releasing a lot of hormones. There could be a lot of things going on in your brain. You could be feeling really good about yourself and about things that are going on,

but you didn't really solve anything and you didn't really meditate. really didn't um think about something you didn't really move forward or make any progress it was uh much like alcohol it's just a pause button really like the alcohol to me like hits a pause button on on your life and you get to like not really think about those that those bad moments or those things that you're maybe doing wrong or the things that you should be doing right or whatever those things are. You can kind of put everything on hold. And of course, lifting is obviously a lot more positive than alcohol, but it can be dangerous and it can be addictive to the point where you are kind of suffocating yourself with

it. You're not allowing for a lot of mental growth and a lot of growth that you could have otherwise spent some time working on managing your stress question in that type of situation you get a devastating or a wild fucking text right um or just something happens how do you have you over the years what has been your method for not letting it fucking displace you i think the first thing is time you know the first thing is is yeah like do you have a moment do you have do you have time do you have time to like let this do you have time to like sit on this can you uh like can you take a beat yeah can you take a beat or two um maybe even uh responding right away is is really you really a horrible thing sometimes.

You read something and you kind of react and then you get right into it right away. Sometimes it's good to address certain things in a timely manner. But things that you're kind of viewing as stressful, especially if some heat is coming your way. And then I think you want to start to think about like, well, I actually do care about that person. So if it's just a friend and you're messing around, it's like that's kind of different. You're throwing heat at each other that way. That's kind of different. But if it's someone that you care about and you throw a flame back their way, you're just creating more fires.

And you need more fire extinguishers to put all that shit out. And the best way to avoid that is that if something does come at you that's kind of hot is just cool it off by just taking some time. Take a beat. Take a minute. Think about it a little bit. Maybe think about what it's like to be that person. Maybe think about what they're going through through their particular day. Maybe something hit them sideways already for the day and And, and maybe that's why, you know, this message came through this way. I think that we feel like we need to respond to everything so quickly and that we have,

everything's like a big emergency. We have to get to stuff right away. People really need us. That's a good feeling, you know, that people need us, but they really don't. There's really nothing that urgent. Usually, I don't think you can really, I don't think you can save or do a whole lot by like reading a text message. I mean, you know, or even like, yeah, any sort of message. I don't think, there's not much you can really do about it, you know, other than take your time and try to organize your thoughts a little bit better.

And a tactic that we've learned from a few people, a bunch of people on this podcast, Alan Belcher, Andy Triana, fucking Justin Lovato, is maybe picking up the habit of some type of meditation. And it'll be annoying. It'll be fucking the most infuriating thing when you start because you're like, I can't focus. Everyone gets that. But that can give you the skill

outside of that practice to be able to take a because some people when they get something it's like i see red fuck that bitch they send a bunch of messages they send a bunch of voice messages and then they're out of it like what have i done but some of these faddish things as dr mike said meditation is a fat um these things can help right a fad. These things can help, right? So it's like these things can help. There's physical things you can do too. Like if something is stressing you out, like going on a walk is a pretty easy one. But that's another one that just really just buys you some time.

It gives you a little bit of time. I think that recognizing that anger is kind of a weakness and it's usually not all that helpful. You know, maybe in certain cases being like assertive or aggressive, like maybe assertion and aggression maybe sometimes could be beneficial in certain cases. But for the most part, you really just, you want to try to think about how you can communicate better. And so I think, you know, number one strategy for, you know, receiving a poor text message or anything like that is to, is to say, hey, I'd like to speak to you in person about this, or I'd like to, you know, can we get on a call? If you can get on like a Zoom call or

something like that, where you can see the other person i think all those things are helpful because text messaging you don't know what the fuck's coming through yeah and we have uh do you guys want to see lane's best friend have some commentary real quick sure thing this is on our podcast hey mike dolce self-promotion these two love each other like if keto worked why is nobody doing keto anymore? Right? Why is nobody really doing carnivore anymore? Why did carnivore go from carnivore to now all of a sudden the carbs are coming back in? So the reason why I wanted to bring that is because number one, I wish in my head when I heard him saying that, I was just like, but we do know people who do some of this stuff. Like I'll be carnivore on some days when I don't choose to eat any carbohydrates. And we do know people who are pure carnivore and who do ketogenic diet and

have benefit from it. It's not that people don't do these things anymore. It's that some people have found it beneficial for them. Some people have tried it and then they've found that maybe it's not the ideal diet for them, but they've been able to take principles from that. That's helped the rest of how they eat now. No don't some people don't eat the same diet in perpetuity for the rest of their lives so i again i it's i think it's a mistake to just say these things are fads because these things have helped hundreds of thousands of people i think uh in mike dolce's case he's probably referring to like a lot of the you know uh influencer a lot of the, you know, influencer, a lot of the nutrition people, people in nutrition space.

Yeah. They, you know, tend to evolve. They go from one thing to another to another. And it's interesting that people have such a problem with that. I actually think that that's great because I think it's like an evolution. There's some people that get way into counting calories. There's other people that got way into keto and low carb. And in both cases, it seemed to help people manage their nutrition and it even helped the people that were listening and that were paying attention to those things.

Just because maybe some people in the fitness space or nutrition space had a departure from specifically following a ketogenic diet doesn't mean that the basis of a ketogenic diet isn't still super effective. I think there's been a lot of mistakes that have happened in the ketogenic diet and it's happened at every turn. It's happened with a low-fat diet. It happened with a ketogenic diet. It happens with vegan diets and gluten-free diets. It's when people try to bring in ultra-processed food into the diet and think that they're keto. Because I think that like, if you think of keto, I kind of think of like bulletproof coffee and people making weird fat bomb recipes. But keto is exactly what you mentioned. You mentioned like some days you don't really eat hardly any carbs and knowing that you like to eat fattier cuts of meat, that's keto. That's doing keto at least for the day. And I know that like, you know,

to really get deep into ketosis, you need to do multiple days and so on. It's no carbs and things like that. I think a lot of people, as they dove into keto, the people that were really trying to do it and trying to do it sort of like to the best of their ability, they started to like dive down the rabbit hole more and more and they started to eat fat. Their fat grams were one-to-one with protein to fat. And that just gets to be a really weird and interesting diet, but it still works. And it's still super therapeutic. On a podcast, works. And it's still super therapeutic. On a podcast, Lane Norton was asked if he had cancer, what would he do? And he said, fast. What is a mimicker of fasting? The ketogenic diet.

Ketogenic diets are amazing and they always will be and that'll never change. They might come and go in terms of like people trying to use it for it to be- Weight loss. Yeah, for weight loss or something like that. But it's actually, a ketogenic diet can be, like a clinical ketogenic diet can be very difficult to follow in terms of weight loss because it's actually very easy to go over your caloric intake. Because if you eat fatty cuts of meat and bacon and butter and cheese and stuff,

I mean, I think Tim Ferriss, I think famously, like mainly ate cheese on that diet. And he tended to like overeat on his calories. And you hear people saying, yeah, man, I kind of got fat and kind of got stringy and fat at the same time. Well, it's like, you're not eating any carbs and this is new for you.

And you're also eating tremendous amounts of fat. But I mean, we know a lot of people that have success on a ketogenic diet and we have Dominic D'Agostino who's going to be coming on the podcast soon. He's strong as fuck and he's keto and Dr. Sean Baker and along with all the other maniac people that follow Dr. Sean Baker, all the people that are enthusiastic about the carnivore diet, that's basically a ketogenic diet. I would even say, like, if you eat a little bit of fruit here and there and you're mainly primarily eating meat, you're very low carb and you might be in that kind of keto category. So,

I think he's kind of mainly referring to like some people that, you know, in the nutrition space, like Paul Saladino and some other people that may have changed some of their views. I've changed some of my views. They evolved over the years, but I still think a ketogenic diet is amazing. I still think the carnivore diet's amazing. We know the Emmerichs, Maria Emmerich and her husband, they really thrive with that diet. There's, you know, thousands of people that follow them and follow their recipes and so on. There's a lot of people that are doing a lot of great things on these diets. Pepper Arch Family on the podcast, we talk all the time about feeling good, good habits to make sure that your health is in check. And one of the things that's super important is getting

your blood work done because you could be getting great sleep. You could be having great nutrition, but under the hood, there could be things going on that you don't realize. So it's always good to get your blood work checked so you can totally understand what's going on. Now, the thing is also, when you get your blood work checked, there's so many different things and so many different numbers that it's hard to tell what's good, what's bad, and how do I optimize things.

And that's where Merrick Health comes in because they have patient care coordinators on staff that can help you interpret your blood work and then give you the necessary recommendations as far as supplementation, nutrition, and if you need it, hormone optimization that'll start moving you in the right direction. Andrew, how can they get their hands on it? Yes, that's over at merrickhealth.com slash powerproject. That's M-A-R-R-E-K health.com slash powerproject. At checkout, enter promo code powerproject to save 10% off the Power Project panel,

the Power Project checkup panel, or any individual lab you select. Again, that's at merrickhealth.com slash powerproject. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. I want to add in when it comes to Paul Saladino, because I remember on that podcast with Mike Dolce, if you guys haven't seen it, it's great. You should check it out. But he was saying he failed multiple diets. And I really, like you mentioned, I don't look at it as like a failure. I think that was like, first off, pretty awesome of Paul to like make a whole book on carnivore. And yeah, he made money with it. That book did help many people, but then he was like, you know what, I'm going to add in honey and fruit. Okay. People are going to say it's not carnivore,

but this is something that has worked much better for him. And he's sharing that with people. And some people are looking at him like, you're not a carnivore anymore. You fucking, but at the same time, it's, he's sharing information that's helping him, that's helping many people. And he's not talking shit on fruits. Now he's talking shit on oatmeal and other things and saying plants are still trying to kill you. He does still do some of that. But at the same time, to open up to that type of idea that you were so against before and sharing that, I think that's pretty sick. I also think it's sick how Sean Baker is totally carnivore and has not changed.

But when he speaks about other things, as we've talked to him on this podcast before, he doesn't totally shit on plants and other things. He's like, you know, that can work for some people and fruits can work for some people. But he's not saying like that's going to be horrible for you. He's just trying to help people. And he's not saying everybody must do what I do. So it's something to keep in mind. I think that's where Mike Dolce was so like verbal against Paul because Paul would say stuff like this is the best way and then preach it, sell it. Oh, wait.

Now I'm going to switch to Carnivore 2.0 and now it's like a different thing. So I think that's what he was referencing. the carnivore 2.0 and now it's like a different thing so i think that's what he was referencing but um also and and i am following mike dolce's like a style diet because again kind of going back to what i said like i'm just kind of challenging some of my beliefs it's really easy for me to follow lane norton completely agree with everything he says about diet sodas being totally safe and fine it's really easy because i like the way those taste and then they help me out with my diet it's also research backs it up and the research shows it and it's also equally if not even more easy for me to follow some somebody like anthony chaffee who

says dude bro don't worry about that cholesterol thing like you're good look at all this research that shows that like the research was kind of bogus in those studies and stuff like so i'm like man i think it's a little bit too easy for me to just conveniently like these certain things you know so like i'm gonna lean into you know more of the whole food stuff so like dolce's got me eating vegetables which are fucking horrible uh they got me shitting everywhere it's disgusting i hate it just kidding it's not that bad but um what i'm getting at is um i like what mike dolce is saying but in this case when he's saying that like how come nobody's doing carnivore keto anymore i think it's just because it's become a normal thing now kind of like what

you guys are saying like you just do it without calling it keto it's just what we do now right like i think it's more mainstream so now it's not the the cold plunge thing on instagram now right because people are like oh oh, that again. It's not the new hot thing. It doesn't matter anymore. You're not getting the likes anymore. So it's not being shown. But I truly believe that people, I mean, again, we all do it.

I do it too. I don't do it every day. I still love carbs. But, you know, yeah, I think it's just it's too mainstream now to be like hotness, hot click-baity stuff. So it might seem like not many people are doing it anymore, but I mean all three of us do it. I wonder how similar Mike Dolce's ideas are to Lane Norton's when it comes to nutrition. Seems like they actually share like a lot of common ground. Mike's not really big into like calorie

counting i don't think from what he said on the show um but he is prioritizing protein and lane is similar um they both are fans of you know eating whole foods trying to get food that's uh satiating and satisfying and having yeah Yeah, they both meet up on fiber. They meet up on protein. They both meet up on carbohydrate intake. They both meet up on fat intake. I mean it seems like – Saturated, unsaturated fat.

Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of agreement there, which is interesting. Yeah. Hmm. There's a lot of agreement there, which is interesting. Yeah. I want you guys to comment down below on if you feel that there is a problem with podcasts and stuff. Like, do you see that there's a problem with the information that you've been taking in on these different shows? Is there actually a problem with modern podcasts? I'm curious what you guys think because you've got a lot of people. So let us know. Comment that below and let us know what you think.

Yeah. Well, I think it's just constant work in progress, right? Like we have, you know, Mike Dolce on the show or we have somebody come on the show and maybe they do talk a lot about, you know, ingesting, you know, carbohydrates or something like that and eating large amounts of carbs and they're a bodybuilder.

And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, we have Dominic D'Agostino on the show and Thomas DeLauer. And, you know, so it's just, you end up going all over the place, but what does it show you? It shows you that you can choose these different styles of diet and you can, you can just try them all out. Yeah. You guys got more options really. Yeah. We're not taking anything away from anybody. We're trying to offer more. And it's good to get different perspectives. And maybe one person's perspective, maybe that fits your narrative for that time in your life. Maybe you really love coffee and this guy is like, dude, there's nothing wrong with coffee.

Fuck it, man. Go all in. I love caffeine i remember uh there was a guy years ago uh uh keifer he said he said have as much caffeine as possible he used me he said he said make caffeine your bitch he's like if you want to lose weight and get shredded he said make caffeine your bitch and so he just said consume tons and tons of caffeine and so was that here on this podcast? And so people were excited. Now, he never came on the podcast. John Kiefer, he was a backloading guy,

backloading diet. I wonder how many heart attacks that caused. I don't know. He meant for a short period of time. Meat is just through the roof because you can't stay still. Yeah. I think that's what he's trying to do.

Resting heart rate of 88 beats per minute, huh? That's normal. But I'm getting shredded. Yo. Yeah. You know, podcasting is amazing. And the more people that say like that start piling on, I think it's more like the Huberman, the In-N-Out, you know, because they're amazing and people want to talk shit about it.

LeBron James, Michael Jordan, like everybody's going to people want to talk shit about it lebron james michael jordan like everybody's gonna find shit to talk shit about but i think the the the bigger offender is social media right because if we take these clips and then we put them on social media with zero context that's where shit can get weird because the the chances of somebody actually like following up and like learning more about it is going to be pretty rare if they're catching it on social media. But the ones that do, then it's like, oh, okay, we actually got some information. I equate it to let's say you read an article online, a small blurb somewhere. And then if you look into it, maybe you find something in a magazine. But then if you look further into it and you actually want to do the research, well, maybe you go get the book on that one thing. And now all of a sudden you learn

a lot about it. And then potentially maybe there's like a documentary or something. I see like the tabloids and all that as social media. And then the actual books are the podcasts, right? How many like of your favorite magazines did you have growing up other than like maybe Playboy or something like that? But like maybe some lifting magazines for sure but like you don't really remember the magazines that you've seen on the side of the like grocery like aisle but you have some favorite books that you can always reference so in my opinion i think that's what podcasts are like so i think it's silly that these influencers or youtubers whatever you want to call them apologies if people hate that term influencer are kind of shitting on podcasts because

eventually people will go from TikTok and they'll grow up. And I don't mean like an age, I just mean in maturity and they're going to start searching for more information on what they saw on TikTok or Instagram. Where are they going to go? They need to go somewhere. And I believe that podcasts is where people need to end up and start learning more Because you're not going to learn this in school. You're not going to learn this on the news. Fuck. No, you're not You're going to find all this shit out on the internet on podcasting and so to in my opinion Podcasting I think are more important now than ever before. Yeah, you need that long format. Yeah, absolutely Strength is never weakness weakness never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye