Mark Bell's Power Project - The Rise Of Weak Men - Are We Becoming Less Resilient? || MBPP Ep. 1097
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Honestly, if my girl sat on my face before I left,
I would be 100% stronger.
Are men becoming pansies?
Are they becoming soft?
Every generation's done this, right?
We're getting soft.
My dad can be like an electrician,
he knows how to fix a car.
I don't know any of that stuff.
Does that make me less manly?
Maybe it does.
1944, a man's man was storming the beaches of Normandy.
Today, people are storming the beaches of their couch
to play Call of Duty.
If the men of that era had the opportunity to storm their couch couch to play Call of Duty. If the men of that era had the opportunity
to storm their couch and to play Call of Duty,
they would be sitting there right next to those other kids.
What the average man could bench press 30 years ago
versus today, 30 years ago was 240 pounds
versus today, 187 pounds.
Ain't nobody benching 240 pounds,
I'll just say that flat out.
And then you have now millennials looking at Gen Z
saying, oh, Gen Z is this,
because everyone has the tendency to romanticize the past.
At my age, I hear,
I don't understand why these kids have anxiety.
They have nothing to have anxiety about.
They don't think it's real, but it's real.
Now you guys know why I lick my lips
during the podcast so much.
Load up on some joy mode,
so I can feel a little bit more manly about this show today.
Yeah.
Don't want to be soft.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
I think there's actually joy mode all over this table.
Is it that stuff that, okay.
I think that's what I was trying to sweep off here
because I just made another mess.
And so I probably did that earlier.
The funny thing is I'm using this shit
because on our last podcast,
I see some comments from a few people that are like,
and Seema looks like he's off-cycle. Uh-oh.
Which is why I'm wearing a hoodie.
And you want people to think that you're on juice?
Well, you know, if I look a certain way
and then suddenly I look smaller,
that's gonna hit my soul.
It's gonna hurt my soul, you know what I mean?
So now I'm wearing a hoodie
because I need to just hide myself from everyone.
What would the Natty Professor say if he was here?
The Natty Professor would say,
go hop on some Trenbro.
That's what you need.
But you know, okay, let me explain something.
I think actually this falls in line with this podcast pretty well.
And the fact is I'm a fragile human being, okay?
In more ways than one.
Apparently...
Your heart's fragile.
My heart is fragile.
Apparently I can't operate without air conditioning.
I will just slowly fade away into the abyss.
Because when my air conditioner was broken,
it was during the heat wave.
So like at night, our room was like 90 degrees.
And my eight sleep and my aura ring said
that my heart rate was at 64 beats per minute
when I was asleep.
And I was waking up feeling like shit.
And over that period, that nine days
of not having air conditioning, I went from 246 to 238.
I had never been in the 230s since my early 20s.
Damn.
I haven't touched that.
Like that was crazy.
There's no fucking way it's that hot either.
It's not like you lost much weight from that.
Yeah.
But it's crazy.
It's too hot.
Yeah.
I hate to admit that sometimes there's too much of anything
It has stop sweating. Yeah, it gets to too sweaty sweaty is not bad, but too sweaty
There's such a thing. I think make your own lubricant with your own sweat. Mmm. It's probably not sanitary actually
Unless you're clean. I
Yeah, if you're clean, but it's just like natural right right? Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but like, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you have bad stuff on your skin.
I'd say you came back from Jiu-Jitsu.
Yeah, no, oh God, no.
All fast.
Dude, you know it's, okay, so I've been rolling very, very light,
and so on Monday, super light day,
only got in like really like one legit like flow roll around
and then some drilling.
Like I typically will have a cover over my driver seat like a towel just because it gets really nasty
And I was like I barely even sweat so I'm like I'm not gonna bother like you have to like you know set it all
Up and you know you're bending over trying to get the thing in there sounded weird. I
Was like fuck it. I'm not gonna do it. Mm-hmm
Yesterday I was driving my car. I was like dude. What's Greeks in here? I was like, fuck it, I'm not gonna do it. Yesterday I was driving my car, I was like, dude, what's reeks in here?
I was like, what is that?
So I got like that matte jujitsu smell
stuck on my seat now.
So I have to figure out how to get it out.
That's how it works.
Yeah, that's too bad.
Stuck in there forever now.
I hope not, that's what I'm afraid of, damn cloth seats.
You know what, you might just that guy, Asmongold?
Yeah.
Okay, so this is where, I mean,
this is peak masculinity.
Let me tell you this, right?
Asmongold made a video about how he doesn't shower every day.
The longest amount of time he's gone without showering
was about maybe, I think he said,
somewhere in the 20 something to to 30-something days.
That's a lot, but I'm not surprised.
But let me also- Can I get those manly fumes?
Those manly fumes, but some of you might be thinking,
can you pull up a picture of Asmongold, by the way,
so people can- People will be like,
oh yeah, I'm not surprised.
No, no, but we also talked about Asmongold
in the podcast the past. Asmongold is wealthy.
He's one of the most wealthy gaming YouTubers out there.
He has like multiple businesses.
He's smart.
And he had a, I mean, he might still have a girlfriend,
but he had a girlfriend when he was doing this.
Meaning that he must've still been getting some action
while he was like 15 days in the cheese.
Know what I mean?
Like that's masculine to just be like,
hey, I don't care that I have this dick cheese.
Come mess around with it.
You gotta get this cheese.
You kinda made the steak video, isn't it?
Yeah, the $2 steak.
Yeah, so his reasoning too was like,
there's a certain threshold of smell.
After you get past day 12, 13,
you're not really gonna smell much worse.
It just peaks, kinda like you rise, rise, rise.
I get that, yeah.
It's just a solid smell.
That's masculine, if you ask me.
There's like different levels though of like B.O.
Like funk.
There's like just smelling like some armpit,
kind of a natural thing of like somebody
worked out really hard and maybe their deodorant
gave up on them.
And that's just like whatever.
You're just like, oh, it's just like a little
whatever in the air.
But then there's like that shit that smacks you
in the face sometimes.
And then there's like asshole smell.
It's like someone put their asshole up to a fan.
Oh, that one's bad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're like, Whoa.
And that's pretty offensive.
You're like, man, like that's invading my space.
Like you're like a physical wall that you bump into.
Yeah. And I'm, I don't't care like you don't need to smell nice
But don't smell that bad like that not just that but when you smell when you those people smell that bad
Their smell will stay where they have been after they leave
I know I know some of those people and I like I've experienced that where it's like they come to an area
They're there for a bit,
they leave, and hours later,
you know where they were in the room.
You go to the spot, you're like...
They were right here.
Joey was here.
Their stinky ass was right here.
Right? You know.
How do you tell somebody that?
I mean, you know there's like pheromones and stuff,
and there's like, we've had people come on the show
and they talked about, oh, he's unleashing it now.
He's unleashing the fury.
We've had people on the show talk about like
endocrine disruptors.
I wonder if there's like endocrine promoters,
you know, if you smell your own nuts a little bit,
I wonder if that's like, if that's kind of good.
That bleachy ball smell, if that's like, you know,
kind of a nice thing.
Maybe it makes you like hungry or like fucking go kick some more ass.
What if you smell the nuts of somebody that's stronger, has more testosterone?
Yeah, maybe.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it makes the pack stronger if that's the case.
Maybe it does.
Yeah.
Like literally, I mean, honestly, like maybe it does.
I think this is a question for Andrew Huberman because he knows a lot about like the olfactory
nerve and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah. Well, you guys have seen the lot about like the olfactory nerve and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Well, you guys have seen the videos of like
the guys doing a lift.
So, you know, they get their girl to sit on their face.
And honestly, if my girl sat on my face before a lift,
I would be a hundred percent stronger.
He may be pretty distracting.
Like I'm gonna be over here for a little while.
But think about it, like let's add a little bit of science
to this, you know, when you get turned on by a lady.
There's a lot of stuff that just went in my head right now.
Oh, I'm going to need a little bit of a break over here.
That's okay. But you get all this blood flow.
I'm just thinking like you guys have facial hair, you know what I mean?
So it's like, stuff's going to be sitting there for a little bit.
Yeah.
Just leave it there all day.
I like it. I like to have a reminder.
Filled up the testosterone a little bit.
Give your mom a little kiss on the cheek.
Oh, I wouldn't go that far.
I wipe my face before I do that to my mother.
Come on, Mark.
Oh, man.
Kissing little babies and stuff.
Like, oh, come on.
That's child abuse.
That's just, that's horrible.
Oh my goodness.
Flavor saver, right? Yeah. That's horrible. Oh my goodness.
Flavor saver, right?
Yeah.
That's why I keep this baby around.
Got it right there.
Anytime you need it.
Now you guys know why I lick my lips
during the podcast so much.
All right.
We're going to listen to some stuff from Patrick Bet David.
I thought this was an interesting,
interesting conversation talking about,
maybe society's all going to hell
and maybe today's young adult males,
maybe they're not what they used to be, I don't know.
But we'll get into some conversation on this.
My brother's actually the one that sent this to me.
I do think sometimes some of this can kind of sound
like old guy stuff, old guy complaining.
Cause I think every generation has done this, right?
We're getting soft. Oh right? We're getting soft.
Oh man, we're getting soft.
Like we don't even, we don't even, you know,
build our own homes anymore.
Like we just buy homes that other people build.
Like my grandfather built his house, you know?
And so you think like every generation is going to have
conveniences, you know, and technologies and stuff.
And that's true.
My dad knows how to like, my dad knows about,
my dad can be like an electrician,
he could be a fucking carpenter.
He knows about plumbing, he knows how to fix a car.
I don't know any of that stuff.
But you know who to call.
Yeah, exactly.
I know who to pay for it or whatever.
And there's, yeah, but does that make me less manly?
Maybe it does, I don't know.
But let's get into it and let's see
what Patrick Bet David has to say here.
What is it to be a man's man today?
I mean, I grew up wanting to be a man's man.
That's what you wanted to be, but today it's toxic.
Why do you want to be a man's man, though, Patrick?
Yeah, when do you want to be a?
Ladies' man?
I don't want to be a man's man.
Oh, I didn't think about that.
Like what?
I'll fuck around, I don't know what you mean.
I know what you said, ladies man.
I was like, wait a second.
I want to be a man's man.
I want the men.
I like the guys.
I want to be a man's man.
I actually felt pretty good.
I think the goal, yeah, maybe a little higher.
I think when someone says they want to be a man's man,
I think it's like a dude that like little higher. I think when someone says they want to be a man's man,
I think it's like a dude that like everybody else wants to be around or be like, right?
I think that's what they're saying.
But I don't know, maybe you want all the other guys to fuck you too.
That's not so bad.
I just want to hang out with the boys, be with the boys.
Wrestle a little bit.
Just boys be boys.
I can rattle around.
Oil up a little bit. Yeah. Get some Greco. It's boys being boys. I can raffle around.
Oil up a little bit.
Yeah.
Get some cracko.
Yeah.
Just a little roughhousing, guys.
Yeah.
No big deal.
Sweating together.
Spandex.
Right.
Masculinity, right?
You're hearing it everywhere.
People are being canceled for being a man's man.
But the reality of it is, 1944,
a man's man was storming the beaches of Normandy,
and they knew most of them were going to lose their lives, but they're like,
nope, I'm doing this because this is what men are supposed to do.
Today, people are storming the beaches of their couch to play Call of Duty.
40, 50 years ago, without social media, we had to go learn how to pick up girls.
I just think, like, if the men of that era had the opportunity to storm their couch and to play Call of Duty,
they would be sitting there right next to those other kids playing the game or they'd be online playing against them, right? Or with them.
Why storm Normandy?
I mean, I get it. That's a, you know, to protect your country and I respect individuals in the military, but at the same time.
There's also too much information now. Like, what are you fighting for?
You know, like back then,
I think you can kind of be brainwashed.
We're going to fight for the USA.
And we're going to go, you know.
100%.
We're going to go and do this.
And you're like, everyone got all fired up
and they're like, oh, if you want to fly a plane,
you get paid an extra $30 a month.
And everyone's like, pick me, I need the fucking 30 bucks.
Different times.
But now people are like, $30 or even $300, or even $3,000, or even $30,000 a month.
If someone offered you that to fly a plane and go to war,
nope.
Maybe there's some people that would be into that,
but not me.
No, as you say, yeah, I 100% agree.
There's no way.
And the funny thing is like, you know,
you did mention that storming your couch
to play Call of Duty,
but like if I could play Call of Duty and make money, I couldn't play Call of Duty and make money
in 1940s. I had to storm the beach in Normandy. But like now you can, you can make money doing,
there's just so much opportunity where you're like, why waste my life? You know?
There's so many more opportunities. And again, I think there's so much more information out there.
So if we were to find out like,
that they really need to recruit a lot of people for a war,
you know, and some shit was really going down, right?
By the time they like went to ask any three of,
any one of the three of us,
we would have like so much different information
in our heads, we probably wouldn't even care to fight.
We'd be like, no, I think this side actually
has a pretty decent point. And I think this side actually has a pretty decent point.
And I think this side actually has a decent point.
I don't really want to kill anybody over it.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
What would have to happen for you?
Like it would have to take a lot for me.
I don't want to, I don't certainly want to kill anybody.
It would, it would have to happen.
I think right in our front yard to where it's like, oh shit, this
is actually going to like affect my family. Right? I think that's the only time any of
us would be like, Oh, wait a second, hold on. Now I'm going to fight you because you're
in my area or you're in my like space or whatever.
Right. And that's where like these conversations, they start, they're like, well, they did this
during COVID and they told you to go back behind that line and you listened and maybe
that extends to like affect you
and impact you like very, very directly at a certain point.
And then, you know, where do you draw the line kind of thing,
which is probably sidetracking this topic,
but interesting discussion nonetheless.
Let's keep moving.
In Florida and have lines and be rejected,
today you just got to swipe right.
Years ago, you have to learn how to hunt
to get your food today, you just call Uber Eats.
Flots changed.
Are men becoming pansies?
Are they becoming soft?
Are we becoming passive, like oh my gosh, betas?
Is that what's happening?
Has Patrick Bet David ever hunted his food?
I don't know.
Maybe, I feel like he's a guy who must have gone hunting
with canhanes or something.
He probably has.
But consistently, I doubt it.
I doubt it.
So, Nseema, this is a question for you
because I missed this whole era
and I'm really, really grateful for it.
But in your opinion, is it more difficult
to find meaningful relationships these days
with all the dating apps and stuff
versus the times where those didn't exist.
Yeah, you know, I think it's tough
because everybody has different experiences on dating apps.
And I mean, my experience on dating apps was kind of easy
and not everyone has that experience.
Most people don't have that experience.
But the amazing thing is now things like run clubs
are getting super popular, right? So to answer your question first, I do think that dating apps for a lot of people probably do not lead to that.
But a lot of people do. Like I swiped on Sam.
You know, I knew Sam a little bit before, but then I saw her on Bumble.
And then I was like, oh, she...
You know, and then that actually sparked certain things, right?
So, hey, and I love that girl. You she, you know? And then that actually sparked certain things, right?
So, hey, and I love that girl.
I'm probably gonna marry that girl.
So, a lot of people have,
but like it's one of those things where it's tough.
But now, again, more physical,
like obviously there's gyms,
but these run clubs or whatever are actually
for a lot of people turning into like dating apps.
Because they're, people are going out running, sweating.
Most people aren't really running fast,
they're just trying to go meet people.
So it's pretty cool.
Yeah, I just know that like, this was quite a while ago,
but somebody a little bit older than me got divorced,
and then they got on these dating apps.
And he was actually complaining, he was like,
dude, it's wild how horny these girls are at our ages.
He's like, they don't want anything to actually do with me.
Was it his late 30s, early 40s?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he was just like, it's not really that great.
He's like, I thought it was going to be awesome.
He's like, but it's so easy.
You don't even have to try.
They just want to have sex with you, and then they just dump you.
And I'm like, what is that all about?
It was just weird.
Sounds great.
Yeah. So that's, I mean, I was, this was when I was previously married. So I was like, wow,
that sounds pretty awesome actually. And he's like, no, it's not. I promise. He's like,
it's cool. The first couple of times. And then after that, it just gets so weird.
There's a lot of technologies that change things. You know, like I would have never
met my wife if it wasn't for the convenience of having an airplane, you know,
so like I've you know, I've
Moved to California and ended up meeting her
In California and so I think
Every generation is just gonna be a little different
You're not just gonna meet like the person that lived down the street for me or the person that went to your school
Or you might not meet the person that your whole family
already knows their family.
It's gonna be, it's just gonna continue to be different
and change and I think that the key is, as you age,
I think the key is not to think that everything is weird,
wrong or strange, but just recognize that it's different.
You could still do the back in my day stuff,
but it's just different.
It doesn't have to be that necessarily that it was better.
I got a bunch of data I want to talk to you about
that has to do with what we bench pressed 30 years ago
versus today's squad.
Yeah.
You know, our grips and bunch of different things
that are influence and meant to become softer.
And for some of you that are watching this
that completely disagree with my message,
I would love to have you watch this message
and post your commentary below at the end of the video.
Unbelievable, the kind of hair he has.
Yeah.
Right?
Jealous.
Important for us to look at some of the data
to know if this is just gibberish
or how are men really viewed
and what kind of a life men live today.
Before we get into it, I just wanna give you some stats on is there any relevance in men really viewed and what kind of a life men live today. Before we get into it, I just want to give you some stats on
is there any relevance in men really struggling today?
Like they can't find themselves.
Are they really becoming softer or not?
Scott Galloway wrote an article.
The title was, The Most Dangerous Person in the World
is a Young Man Who's Broke and Alone.
Let me read some of the statistics that he has in this article.
Men are more likely to use almost all types
of illicit drugs at a higher rate than women,
thus their higher prevalence of emergency room visits
and inpatient substance abuse treatment.
93% of prison inmates are male,
as are 98% of all death row inmates.
Men are dramatically more likely to be homeless
and for longer periods of time.
Men now account for 41% of college enrollments,
down from 60% in 1970.
Men are twice as likely to overdose,
three and a half times more likely to commit suicide,
and more than nine times more likely to be incarcerated.
One thing that I'm thinking about
is like some of the stuff that he's sharing.
He's saying like men are nine times more likely to do this
and so on.
Is that just in comparison to women
or is that in comparison to men from like a long time ago
because men have always done dangerous stuff.
So, and also a man doing something dangerous or courageous
or even just dangerous,
I think is like kind of part of being a man.
You know, I think you kind of fall into that category.
Like, you know, who messes themselves up with workouts
pretty often, you know, like it's a lot of times it's a guy.
Who's gonna be more likely to lift really heavy weights.
Lift really heavy, run too far, run too fast
or do whatever, do Jiu jitsu for way too many
days in a row.
There's girls that obviously push themselves physically, but you just, they're smarter.
Like they, they have like more caution, more caution, more reserve when it comes to stuff
like that.
And so guys tend to kind of have their ego in the way or, you know, Hey, everybody else
was doing it this way.
So I decided just to kind of follow along and I ended up getting hurt.
You see that a lot with men.
So yeah, the comparison is probably to women, but I also would say that like, we've kind
of always been this way.
The statistics when it comes to something like college or something, that's an interesting
one because like, I think college and religion, and I think some of the things that we had in the past
that were like tradition, I think they're falling apart.
100%.
You just see it, and even marriage, the idea of marriage,
like everything is sort of falling apart
and things are becoming different
than the way they used to be.
The less enrollment in college thing, again,
it's like, it doesn't surprise me too much
because even a lot of jobs are realizing that some people
don't necessarily need four-year degrees
to do a specific job, along with there just being much more
opportunity to do things without college.
Many of our employees here are college graduates,
but they're extremely good at what they do,
and they continue learning.
So it's one of those things where
you realize that you don't maybe need to spend that much
money and go into debt, right?
So that like it's interesting, but you do see more women in college now than men when
you do the comparison.
So that's what's going to mess with those percentages as well.
And I think that's what he starts to talk about next is that like women are becoming
stronger and our women sort of becoming quote unquote stronger
in our society than men,
which is like an interesting question.
But whoever said that that would necessarily be a bad thing.
Like we don't even,
if we've never had it that way before,
then we don't even know if that's a bad thing.
Women haven't had the same opportunities.
So now that they have the same opportunities,
maybe it won't be so bad if they're really strong.
But maybe people will think like our families
will fall apart because it's really nice to have the woman
to be able to take care of the children
because I just, I personally think that women
do a better job of it.
A recent study revealed that nine out of 10
mass violent attackers were male
and more than two thirds of them were under the age of 35.
That's as, that falls in like nine out of 10 mass violent attackers.
Well, men are, men do the, do more violent things in general.
They're better at being violent because they're stronger and bigger.
Testosterone is aggressive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Put that into whoever, whatever gender and that, that gender is going to be more violent.
Yeah. Right. to whatever gender and that gender is going to be more violent.
Once again, the most dangerous person in the world is a broke and alone young male. Scott
Galloway recommends three things. Start making money. We are living in a capitalist society.
Get super strong. You want to be fit. You want to lift heavy weights and run long distances
in your mind and in the gym. And last but not least, get out there, commit to meeting
people and quite frankly, try having sex. So interesting three points he makes, right? Start making money, get super
strong and finally get out and commit to meeting people. But are we not stronger today than
we were before? Let's take a look at some data to see.
Real quick though, those three things, make more money, get stronger to have more sex.
Agreed?
Yeah, sounds like a good idea. Go for it.
Yeah.
All right. Men are stronger today than maybe 20 or 30 years ago
There's three things I want to look at I want to look at our bench press to before squat as well as your grip strength
They say your grip strength is a strong predicator of mortality in later life
So are we stronger today or before?
Here's what the numbers tell us so they surveyed 1800 lifters 20 to 39, to see what the average bench press was 30 years ago
versus today.
And here's what they came up with.
What the average man could bench press 30 years ago
versus today.
30 years ago was 240 pounds versus today, 187 pounds.
Squat was 277 versus today, 225.
So when you look at this data, how do you process it?
Crip strength, bench, squat.
Like, why are we looking at this data?
Maybe, just maybe, they're trying to get women
to become stronger and men to become weaker.
Rewind it again though.
I want to hear those data points again, please.
Cause it's not just, I mean, play that again, yeah.
30 years ago versus today.
30 years ago was 240 pounds versus today 187 pounds.
Okay, so 30 years ago.
I'm just thinking about like 30 years ago,
how many more people are, I don't know.
I mean, but yeah.
Ain't nobody benching 240 pounds.
I'll just say that flat out.
That's heavy.
That's a lot.
So I don't care what era we're in.
I don't think people are benching 240.
If you survey a bunch of people that exercise,
1990, you know, and you're surveying people, then maybe.
But I really wonder how they,
I agree with a lot of what Patrick Bette David is saying.
I love his show.
I'm a huge fan.
But I think like in this case, I think it's just easier
to think or to say, you know, those old pictures of the dudes up on the bridge,
like I think it's like the Brooklyn Bridge.
Those are amazing pictures,
but a lot of men fucking died doing that, super dangerous.
You see people like up on these scaffoldings
that are a few hundred feet in the air
and they'd have like their lunch boxes with them
and they're like smoking a cigarette and they're, I mean, one false move, you know, if you're too tired
or whatever, right?
So there's a lot of things from like our past, there's some things that are, that you can
look at and say like there was a lot of construction, there was a lot of manual labor, a lot of
physical labor and we don't do a lot of those things anymore.
But when it comes to like lifting weights, I mean, I think lifting weights is way more popular now
than it ever has been.
And I would assume that people are stronger.
Maybe they're not necessarily all that much stronger
in like a bench squat or grip strength or something,
but I just think people are way more health conscious.
There's like way more numbers of Americans,
especially exercising than in the past. Yeah, there's way more Americans exercising, but there's also like way more health conscious. There's like way more numbers of Americans, especially exercising than in the past.
Yeah, there's way more Americans exercising,
but there's also like way more Americans
that are overweight and obese.
But there's also way more Americans
than there was 30 years ago.
That's why I was like thinking about this one.
Cause I wonder kind of how the numbers were taken, right?
Yeah, dude, imagine if that was us up there.
Like in working on, little windy today.
Quit being a sissy.
But I mean, one thing to think about here, too,
is like 30 years ago, internet not really there.
Tech wasn't the way it is.
People were more outside.
People were probably interacting more.
Now, like a lot of people, when they're alone,
they'll play a podcast or play something when they're not,
they're feeling alone and they want to listen to other voices
in the room.
So they'll play videos of other people talking rather than
going out and being with people, right?
It's very different.
So it's, it's, that's just, that's just interesting.
It's just wild to me.
When he was saying 30 years ago, you know,
what I see in my head and then I hear you say like,
oh, 1990s, I'm like, oh shit, that was not that long ago.
I was hanging out in 30 years.
Like, you know, just so wild to me.
30 years ago is like when Happy Gilmore came out.
You know what I mean?
Something like that, probably.
Yeah, but no, yeah, yeah.
We can pull up a movie that came out
and we'd be like, no, that's like 10 years old.
Exactly.
Kids born in the 2000s or 20 something.
Ain't that shit wild?
That is so, yep.
COVID babies are walking.
240 pound bench versus 187.
And talking.
And jumping and beating street fighter.
Yep.
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as well as the podcast show notes.
Squat was 277 versus today 225.
So when you look at this data-
Sounds a little fishy on the squat too.
Really?
It's a lot of weight, man.
Like amongst people that exercise regularly,
maybe it's not that crazy,
but I've been around people that work out
for the last 30 years and I don't really think
that that's true.
I mean, most of the time when I would work
at like the slingshot booth and I would show people
how to bench almost every single time they lied
about what they could lift.
They would always say 250 and I'm like,
I'm like, bro, 250 is impossible to get on the bar.
It's so hard.
You need to like a lot of math
to figure that fucking thing out.
Two and a halfs and shit.
You never mentioned 250, there's no way.
I would actually ask him like,
okay, what does 250 look like on the bar?
And they'd go, what?
And I'd be like, get out of here.
Yeah.
I can say my max bench is 250,
but Mark Bell loaded the bar.
There we go.
And I know this because he added the two and a half place
because he's like, you're already at like, let's make it 250.
I was like, all right, cool.
Nailed it, yep.
If I could just break it down and up.
Versus today, 225.
So when you look at this data,
how do you process it?
Crip strength, bench squat,
like why are we looking at this data?
Maybe, just maybe, they're trying to get women
to become stronger and men to become weaker.
Maybe, maybe I'm wrong.
I will tell you I don't.
Patrick just like put some fire behind
the conspiracy theorists right now.
Because I don't buy that shit.
But a lot of people really believe it.
Well, in the last 30 years,
I would say that there's probably a huge jump
in how strong women are,
because more women are exercising
and more women are getting into like,
yeah, they are.
Lifting some heavy ass weights
and you're seeing these girls with these thick butts
and thick thighs.
Tiny shorts.
Bring up a bunch of videos of women with thick asses.
Oh, stop!
Maybe not. Yeah, well,, I don't know her name, but the one that lifted up that heavy ass sandbag. Oh my God. What? She's a friend of ours.
What? I don't know, I thought that was funny.
You pull her up right on your phone?
Right here.
Yeah.
Am I bad?
That wasn't as bad as it sounded, but it just was funny to me.
Crossfit too has had a huge impact on women lifting heavier weights and Instagram and
social media and all that stuff.
Chicks need something to like post other than their actual just butts, other than they use the lifting kind of
and mix in the butts.
Okay.
You know what, you know what always like,
it's just, it's so interesting to me is like, okay, well,
why is there a problem with women lifting weights?
Some guys don't like women being masculine or whatever,
but at the same time, when we think about this,
like women that lift just will have better longevity.
Think about these women when they're 60 and 70 and 80 and they have great bone density now,
and they're not going to be frail like, you know, the older men and older women from older generations
that didn't work out. Like, it's great that women are becoming more, literally more muscular.
Yeah, they'll be able to cook dinners longer for you.
Is that what you're getting at? You'll be able to weight on your hand and foot better.
Better stamina for that.
Who doesn't want that?
You got a home gym at home.
All their chores are done right when you walk in the door and your food's ready.
5pm. Boom. Done.
I mean, we're going to keep the video playing, but that's why, I don't know,
when I see the comments from guys on women, but also when guys, let's just say, like,
they really want, like, and I don't think it's bad
to say that you want a super feminine woman
with dainty hands, but like, when I look at that again,
I just think, I think longevity.
I think like, she gonna be weak in 20 years.
I wonder if women, I have no idea what women like,
but I wonder if women like for a guy
to have some feminine characteristics here and there.
Oh, well, for some women, that's like super popular these days.
Like guys with some pained nails and like a little bit of...
Some women like the Harry Styles type of guy.
But, you know, everybody has their preference.
Some people do, some people don't.
It's not a super general thing.
I know for myself personally,
my wife, if she has some habits that are like,
I guess some people would view more male oriented.
I dig it.
Yeah.
Like lifting weights and shit like that or mowing the lawn.
Like I think it's kind of cool.
I think it's kind of sexy.
You don't have to do it.
Yeah.
That is that too.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, cause you know, trends, they come around
and they just, you know, they constantly repeat themselves.
Everything repeats itself.
I was wearing Jinko jeans in junior high
and that shit's back now.
What are Jinko jeans?
Bring up a shot.
They're just the fucking gigantic jeans
that you just fucking drag everywhere.
Gen Z loves those.
I believe it was like in the 80s,
like dudes were wearing makeup, long hair,
they looked like chicks, and the girlier you looked,
the more attractive you were to women.
Princess Slade.
Dude, all that shit, right?
So that's why it's like, yeah, I guess some people
or some ladies dig it.
A lot of ladies dig it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know who Harry Styles is though.
Look at Harry Styles.
You'll see exactly what I mean.
Harry Styles has like a lot of fans.
And he's like...
Whoever's watching, look at Harry Styles.
You see what I mean.
Our vault conference we have with a couple thousand people there, business owners, entrepreneurs.
I challenged everybody to go do a certain questionnaire
the first night, and the next day,
come and share their breakthrough with everybody.
While I'm going through everyone,
a lady sitting right here, like seven rows right there,
she gets up and she says,
"'Patrick, I have to tell you my breakthrough last night.'"
I said, "'What is it?'
She said, "'For the last 20 years,
all I've been trying to do is compete against men to
prove that I can make as much money as they make.
I'm strong.
I don't need them.
I'm independent.
I run a very successful salon.
I do very well for myself.
Everybody that works with me makes great money.
I'm very, very successful right now to my friends, to my peers.
I said, okay, and where are you going with this?
What's wrong with that? She said, the breakthrough I have yesterday is men are not the enemy. I want a husband.
I want to get married. I want to have a family. How interesting is that? Right? The person
she wanted to be the entire time. Now she wants to marry. How many endless videos can
we see with women in their 60s who bought
into the feminist movement to make men and women equal are sitting there saying, I regret
making that decision because I'm single, never been married, don't have any kids and I'm
alone. And I wish I would have married men. I wish I would have had kids because I wouldn't
have been alone today.
Next point is a lack of...
I mean, that's really cool.
And it's a cool anecdote.
But I think an interesting part about this is
I've seen so many guys talk about this topic and this idea.
It's like, all these women are gonna regret this later,
blah, blah, blah.
Why are you even tripping over those women though?
Like, I mean, when we think about our decisions
as one for our person, why do we care?
Like there's millions, billions of women out there
that aren't that person.
It's like, if a woman wants to pursue a career
and compete in the marketplace with whatever,
it doesn't mean she's competing with men,
just like be career focused.
And that's not what you're interested in,
and that's not what you're interested in.
But the thing is, is now there's gonna be
a lot of women doing that.
So why do we care?
There's also some people that are like,
I don't know how to say this the right way,
but there's some people that are like kind of in the middle
in terms of their sexuality.
And like being with another person is kind of complicated.
It might be more simple for some of us,
especially those of us that like wanna pursue that,
but there's some people that have been like rejected before
or don't feel great in relationships and they're just like,
you know what, I'm just gonna fucking do my own thing.
This is like complicated.
I have to worry about somebody else's feelings all the time.
So it's not just, you just snap your fingers
and you have somebody else. Like it's not just, you just snap your fingers and you have somebody else.
Like it's not so simple for everybody.
And I think people should just be cognizant of that.
I don't think that, my brother was single
for a really long time.
And it was like, he was sort of just
straightening himself out, trying to get himself
headed in the right direction.
And sometimes people don't,
you have to feel pretty good about yourself.
I mean, getting laid is one thing, right?
But trying to find a significant other
that you really love and care about.
Like, I just think the three of us are really fucking lucky.
That's the way I look at it.
I'm just like, I mean, every day I'm kind of blown away by it
to some capacity, because I'm like,
I am just, I don't know how this happened,
but I ain't gonna say nothing.
I'm just gonna ride this out. Hopefully Andy doesn't notice what a bum I
am or how disgusting I am. And I stay the fuck out of her way. And I'm just going to,
hopefully she doesn't notice.
Yeah. And I took a picture of Stephanie yesterday and I was just blown away. I just like staring
at it. I was like, I cannot believe like I'm looking at the picture that this wanted to
be with this. Like it's fucking wild. But one thing I wanted to bring up was the, this is going to sound weird,
but like the old algorithm. So I follow Patrick, but David,
I follow people in his circle and my feed I'm totally open about it is more on
the side of what he's saying right now. I'm curious if my feed,
his feed, those that,
that agree with him all have the exact same feed
where it's a bunch of people kind of saying like,
you know, like, oh, when she's 60,
she's gonna regret this.
Or they have examples like,
there's that account Women Posting L's,
where it's like, I focused on my career for so long,
now I just want a husband.
Like, am I really that bad of a potential wife
or potential partner or whatever I
Have never seen and I'm not saying that because it doesn't exist
I have not seen the opposite side of somebody that disagrees with this
So I think the algorithm plays a heavy role in
Believing in this and for believing in that to be true. The other thing which I think is I don't a little
Whatever. It's whatever, it's interesting
and funny to me that he's making a video about weak men and then talking about how women
choose to focus on themselves and their career.
Because like, what's the other option to select one of these weak men?
Right?
Because people in this frame of mind will say, you know, I forgot what it is in SEMA, but like up to
27 years old, like they start to decline. So it's like you're saying in your 20s.
Oh yeah, women like lose their value.
Yeah, the market value. So you're saying a young woman in her 20s needs to pull the trigger
on a dude, right? It's so early of an age without really even experiencing life herself.
I think it's like, it's kind of tough, right? And then you're saying, but a majority of the men are going to be weak
anyway. So it's like, well, shoot, man, it seems like, uh, her, her, uh, choices are
pretty limited right now. Even though every guy would say that's stupid women have the
most choices, but you get what I'm like the argument I'm trying to oppose here.
Do you guys think it's a little easier to meet people when you're like not over 40?
Like meet- When you're not over 40?
Yeah, like to meet kind of like the right person.
Oh, I think that there's, for those types of people,
there's probably a speed.
You know, some people, you know, when you're over 40,
at that point, depending on that's how old
of a person you're looking for,
maybe you're not really thinking of having kids, so maybe you then allow yourself
to have time.
I think when a lot of people get to their 30s,
and if they want kids, then they have a clock.
Clock is ticking.
But when, and again, I'm not in my 40s,
but when you're in your 40s,
and let's just say you're not really interested
in the kid thing anymore, and you just want to meet people,
I don't know, but I wouldn't expect it to be that difficult,
because there's a lot of 40 something year old singles,
people that were divorced, people that just didn't.
There's tons.
I think it would be difficult
because like what you just said, right?
There's somebody walking around that's divorced.
They could come with some baggage.
It could come with some issues.
I just kind of think timing's pretty critical.
Like if I would have met my wife in high school,
I wasn't developed enough to be the right person for her.
And if I would have met her any earlier, that probably would have met my wife in high school, I wasn't developed enough to be the right person for her. And if I would have met her any earlier,
that probably would have been the case.
Cause I just wasn't like, I wasn't really doing much yet.
And so I think if people can meet people
when they're young-ish or young for them,
I think it's probably like your best bet
to really try to find someone that's awesome.
But everyone's got different stories. Like I said, my brother, he met someone is probably like your best bet to really try to find someone that's awesome. But
everyone's got different stories. Like I said, my brother, you know, he met someone
and he's 52 or whatever the hell he is. So everyone's a little different.
Yeah, on the extreme side of it, well I guess a little bit more than that, is you know,
my dad's, he's single for the first time since, you know, early 20s or maybe even
late teens and he's 70.
And he's like, I don't know, he said something more like,
you have one mother, if I get married,
I can have another wife, I can have another one,
you can't have another mother.
And so I was like, oh, that's a weird thing to say,
but I don't think he's out there seeking another woman,
but if he was, that's an interesting, right?
70 years old and you're single all of a sudden.
I mean, I know that's, again, that's an extreme,
but I would say that's pretty damn difficult.
I wanted to actually mention something off
of what you were saying, Andrew,
and the algorithm thing.
And it's just like, the thing is, first off,
algorithms are nefarious and they're not real.
Like, algorithms just straight up aren't real.
You're getting shown the things that you are currently interested in
and the things that you are agreeing with,
and then Instagram realizes, oh, he likes more of that, right?
Me? Said to be a bunch of ass.
But let's think about it.
I'm shocked.
But let's think about it, because you have, for, you have like, for example, a lot of the guys
that are probably in the comments of this specific video
are going to be a lot of, you know, those younger dudes
who are like all super red pill,
think that women only want six figure men
and women are spoiled and this and that.
But you go outside and you're not living in Miami, Florida,
women are normal.
You just go outside and these aren't the women
you're gonna be interacting with.
But because so many people spend so much of their time
in online spaces, and then they get fed these algorithms
on their YouTube, on their TikTok, on their Instagram,
because they're looking at all these same things
on all of these platforms, they get fed all this same
just shit of like, oh yeah, women are this,
and she's not gonna be faithful.
And then you just start to parrot it.
Same thing with like, you know, politic, you know, shit.
If you watch enough conservative shit,
you will believe Michelle Obama was born a man.
And you'll fully believe it.
I got to send it to you.
I seen one today where now they have a picture
of Kamala Harris next to a dude
and they have like the same facial features and shit.
So now she's a dude.
I meant to send it to you, I forgot, but it's so good.
I'm like, oh, he's gonna love this one.
Dug.
Dug.
Just like, you know, yeah, it's tough.
It's tough for people.
Like that's why, you know, even for myself,
you gotta get the fuck out of your shit.
Almost every single time you see females talking Even for myself, you gotta get the fuck out of your shit.
Almost every single time you see females talking,
like on a podcast, they're always talking
about something sexual, like, and that could be my feed,
right?
That's it.
That could be my feed.
We know your feed.
Yeah, my feed, right?
But like you said, like you go out into the real world
and it's like, all that's like
dead.
Like you still have to interact with people.
You still have to communicate with people.
So you might think like, oh man, this is like cool.
Like all these women are horny.
They're on their prowl.
They're all fucking like, they're all seeking, you know, we're talking about these apps and
stuff, right?
And then you walk into a coffee shop and it's just like, it's just chill.
It's just silent.
You still have to like make a move or communicate to people if you want to get some action.
Your first junior high dance all over again where you're terrified to even look their
way.
Just stand in the corner sipping on your espresso.
Lack of male role model.
Role models in a boy's life or a man's life.
So if you look at some data here in 2019, some 15 million children in the United States
were living with a single mother.
That's about five times more
than those living with a single father.
As divorce rates rise
and family courts continue to favor mothers,
the amount of boys living without a dad
will continue to grow.
So why is this so important?
Well, there are certain things I can tell my boys
that my wife can't tell them, period. I can go tell my boys we're going
outside and we're playing, they have to listen to it. I can go tell my boys you
have to read 20 pages a day. They may tell mom, mom I'm good, I don't need to
read today, I don't need to do this, I don't need to do that. There is just
certain things my dad could have told me that my mom couldn't tell me. There's a
very very big value that men have in a boy's life, but the more divorces
we get and the more fatherless homes that we have, men don't know what it is to be a man's man.
Matter of fact, let's look at a complete different angle. Most kids who go to school, most teachers
are women, most teachers are not men. So just recently I have my kids watch Captain, the
documentary about Derek Jeter. And there's a scene in this documentary where Derek Jeter is
drafted by the Yankees.
His dream becomes a reality.
Always wanted to be a shortstop for them
because his dad was a shortstop.
He goes, but he's not doing well.
He's making errors.
He's making mistakes.
He's doing all this stuff and he's having anxiety attacks.
He's depressed almost.
And he makes a phone call to his house.
Mom's talking to Derek and mom says,
son, why don't you just come home? The father says, when I heard my wife saying this to his house, mom's talking to Derek and mom says, son, why don't you just come
home?
The father says, when I heard my wife saying this to Jeter, he says, I told her, don't
tell him that.
He can't know that's an option.
So now let's replay this.
Say the father's not in a picture.
Say the mom's able to convince Derek Jeter to come home because no mother wants to see
their son suffer and she's witnessing her son Derek suffer.
But the father says, that's what builds character.
Let him go through it.
If that doesn't happen, you don't have a five-time
World Series champion, few hundred million dollars,
one of the greatest Yankees of all time, 3,400 hits.
If that simple call by the father wasn't made,
you and I may not know who Derek Jeter is.
So what's the...
I mean, in general, I think we can just all agree
that two-parent households are better
than a one-parent household.
I also agree that a father,
I was in a single-parent household
and I can see what he's talking about there.
Luckily, my mom also made sure that I had a lot
of male role models to be in front of.
She made sure of that
because she realized that mine wasn't there,
so she really tried to get me on team, so I had coaches,
and she put me in front of that.
But there were things that I missed out on just because I didn't have that, right?
So, I mean, he's totally right there.
Did she ever tell you that she did that on purpose or...?
Oh, when we talked about it, like when I was an adult,
like she was like, yeah, I mean, I realized
that I couldn't feel that role.
You had kind of a lot of energy.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, so she's sort of like, I mean, not like you were...
She knew I had to do physical things.
Completely spazzing out, but she had to like,
have you do stuff otherwise, probably would have drove her nuts.
Absolutely, absolutely.
But I mean, he's totally right there.
That's kind of a cool thing though.
I think, you know, when you do have a child,
your child is like your teacher. Your child is like your mentor.
You think it's the other way around, but like you were just by the nature of like who you are
and how much you wanted to move, it made your mom start to think of like other options, other things.
Like if I get him involved in these things and I get him around other men,
it would probably be really good.
And then once she did that,
and once she saw the feedback from that,
she'd be like, okay, I need to lean into that more.
She also made sure to like,
because you know, so when some people hear about this,
like when a kid hears this and like,
oh, I don't have a dad, da da da.
Well, there's Bill Clinton, he didn't have a dad.
The reason why I didn't know Bill Clinton had a dad
is because my mom told me he didn't have a dad
and he became president of the United States.
She gave me a lot of people that,
she just gave me examples of a lot of men
who became great men without their father aware there.
She wasn't saying that that's a good thing,
but she was saying that you still have the ability
to do great things,
even though you come from a single parent household.
And the reason why I think that was so important for me
is because I knew a lot of other kids
that didn't have their father at home,
but whenever they would talk about it,
and I don't blame them for talking about it this way,
but it was always like, oh, I don't have a dad.
And I get it, it sucks.
But like for them, it was like,
this is gonna make my life so much harder.
And it does, but they didn't necessarily understand
that things could still be okay, you know?
And it's not ideal, but things can still be okay.
Things are just so different coming from a dad.
I'm just thinking of like, you know, a hug from my mom,
you know, a hug or a kiss.
Like I got so many of those, get them all the time.
And it's not that my dad didn't do that,
especially when I was like a baby.
I'm sure he did it all the time.
But as I got older, it's like that was like few
and far between, probably more so for
me than from him, you know, thinking about my kids and how like things have changed as
they got older.
I could still steal a hug here and there, but it's like I have to steal one, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're like, you're being weird.
Like, no, get over here.
Yeah.
So, but it's different from a dad and Andrew, you could probably almost think're like, you're being weird. Like, no, get over here. But it's different from a dad.
And Andrew, you could probably almost think,
think a couple of times that you,
where you really hugged your dad
and gave him a good like embrace.
And it probably was like,
like when your son was born, when your mom died,
like it's probably, you know.
So when those things do happen with a dad figure,
it can be more impactful.
Obviously the stuff coming from mom is amazing
and that makes you feel great.
But because the dad doesn't really give you props as much,
the dad doesn't maybe tell you flat out,
I love you, I'm proud of you.
A lot of men just suffer from like,
their dad never said that,
or it's just like not on their dad's radar.
And there's a lot of friends I know
that are extremely successful
because they're still waiting for that.
Like they want that to happen.
They want their dad to come to them at some point
and be like, hey, you made it, you're doing great.
I'm proud of you.
But it's probably not gonna ever happen
just because for that guy,
he grew up in this kind of era
that Patrick Bette-David is talking about
of a time where we were manlier.
And manlier men don't talk about their feelings.
I'm not going to go tell my son how much I love him because that's going to show a sign
of weakness for me because if I go do that, I'm going to probably break down.
My son might break down.
Is this going to be a big crybaby session?
We're going to be a bunch of pussies about it.
Yeah, can't have that.
Right.
Yeah.
I don't mean this in a weird, sad, dark way, but like the next time my dad says like,
like, Andrew, I'm proud of you, will be the first time.
But he has said it in other ways, right?
Like his own way because-
Showing it or whatever.
Showing it.
Yeah.
Because I think if he were to say that he probably would break down and cry and, you
know, again, he's not supposed to cry.
So it's funny.
I mean, hopefully this isn't sidetracked it too much, but you know, the saying like,
you know, hard times
create strong men, strong men create weak times.
Everybody is currently saying right now that like,
we are, well, this generation is the weak men
and then we're about to create the hard times.
And I don't, again, this is gonna sound crazy,
but it's almost like my dad's generation
was the good times and the,
or the weak men created by the good times.
Because I say that because of what you're just pointing out right there,
like he's not able to express himself. And to me, that seems a little weak.
Yeah. Right. And then, so now because of that, we do have this weird time.
So I don't think this generation is the weak men that's going to create the hard
times. I think we're kind of in that hard time right now.
Maybe it's the very beginning, maybe it's just like a halfway hard time or whatever.
But I think this quote hard time, which if we really step back, is not that freaking hard.
But I think this hard time is going to create the strong men. And I think we are the, like,
we're going to spearhead that strong men generation coming up to where like my son will have
like a pretty damn good time
and then we'll see what happens in that cycle,
if that makes sense.
I'm pretty sure it's really easy to make arguments
against what I just said.
But again, in my head, thinking about, you know,
my dad's life and everybody
talks about this too, where it's like, oh, like my parents lived off of like $25,000
a year. They had a multi-level house and it was one income and they were just fine versus
today where it's like people have $100,000 a year job and they can't afford rent or whatever
it is. It's like yeah
They had it pretty freaking easy if you look at it that way and we have it a little little bit harder right now
And so I think right now is the hard time. Yeah, I mean things are just again
I like to just use the word different since I it's hard to make comparisons, but
imagine being
15 years old and have
These dating apps.
You know, it's weird. And you're going to high school,
like, and then you got social media.
So there's just like a lot of stuff
that I think could really sidetrack a person from.
What I think is important,
I do think like if you go back to the beginning
of what some of the stuff that he said about like just sort of trying to make something of yourself.
I think that that isn't a really good interest of most men because I think men
can get really and females too but men can get really destroyed by relationships
sometimes and so I think it's a good idea as a male if you can sort of make
something of yourself and have some skillets that if you do fall on your ass
and your girl does break up with you,
you're not just a sopping mess,
or you go to college and you fail,
but you still have a skillset.
You still know how to edit or you love filming
or like you have something that you can do
that makes you feel good about yourself,
a sport, whatever it might be.
So I think it's important to have some of those things, but I was listening to the guys today,
they were chatting, some of our guys that edit and stuff. And I think Owen is teaching his brother
some editing stuff. And they were talking about editing video games. And I was just thinking,
this is kind of funny in line with what we're talking about today. These guys are like talking about like editing video games
which is like a nerdy, kind of a nerdy conversation.
They're not talking about like going
and playing football or whatever,
but these are active kids.
Spencer comes in here and he works out really hard.
So just because people have like different jobs
or they have different interests today
doesn't mean that they're weak by any means.
It doesn't tell you the whole story.
And on along those lines, I do have a question for you guys
and Andrea, it falls in line with what you're saying
in terms of the weak times, strong times,
weak times, strong times.
I understand that that, for example,
is a, it's an interesting general way to look at things,
but at the same time, I don't know if we can just say,
population-wide, Gen Z is like this.
Because the older generation looks at millennials
and they say population-wide,
Gen millennials are like this.
And then you have now millennials looking at Gen Z saying,
oh, Gen Z is this.
Because everyone has the tendency to romanticize the past.
Everyone has a tendency to look at their youth and say,
well, when I was younger, because those were their primes.
And in your prime, you were in your probably physical prime.
You were doing a lot of things that you're probably not doing now
when you're older, and that's when the times were good for you.
And now when you're older and you're not in your prime
and now the younger people are coming up,
well, look at these younger people.
When I was younger, blah, blah, blah,
because everyone just wants to romanticize the past.
Because I know that, for example,
your dad's generation when you said like,
you know, there was a good times, whatever,
there were many strong people,
millions of strong people that came out of that generation.
How can we say that that was a generation of weak?
Because I understand maybe there's wars
during certain times, but many strong people,
many strong business owners,
many leaders came out of there, right?
Just like many leaders are coming out of Gen Z.
There's this guy, Hamza, right?
And all these other young YouTubers.
Hamza has hundreds of thousands of young,
young 16, 17 year old young kids
that are following him, building businesses, you know?
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I don't think, I don't, I personally have a hard time
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I think when we're talking about young men,
I think we need to figure out like what age, you know?
Cause if you're talking about like kids
that are still like teenagers,
it's kind of unfair to call them weak
cause they're not really developed yet.
Like we don't really know what they're gonna really turn into.
And it's easy for us to think, oh yeah, when I was a kid,
I was a bad ass, I was really good at this sport
or that sport and you kind of forget though
how much development and how long all that took.
How shitty you were at the time.
Oh my God, like I remember playing baseball
and like I was pretty scared to like be in the batter's box.
You know, and my oldest brother, he was more aggressive
and he really went after it.
So it took me a long time, even in football,
it took me a long time to get good at it
because I just didn't have this super aggressive nature,
but it's really easy to romanticize those times.
But again, back to the idea of gotta kind of define the age.
And I think if we're talking about,
you know, kids that are like 13 to 19, like they just haven't really had a chance to do much yet. If we're going to bracket it up and talk about from like 19 to 35, that age group,
that age group might be, might have a harder time nowadays
or a difficult time, challenging time
of like figuring out what they're gonna do
of like their career.
Because when my dad was a kid,
you just basically, you went to college
and from college, then you got a job.
And it was like very, like it was a huge system, right?
And that system sucks, I think.
You go to school and then you go to more school
and then you can get like this job.
And that was if you were a white male,
back in those times and stuff.
And it wasn't equal for everybody
and women didn't have opportunities and stuff.
And I think we're moving to like,
I think we're moving to better spots,
but that age bracket of people being like kind of lost
sort of figuring out, trying to figure out what they're doing.
I think that age bracket has expanded.
I think it used to be like, you know,
18 when you graduate high school to like 25, 26.
Now I think it goes from 18 to like 35 or so, where people might just
still not have landed their actual thing that they like doing and they haven't really hit the income
that they want quite yet. Yeah. Even though that like that literal like railroad track to the
American dream was pretty crappy. It worked though. You know, that's why there were so many people,
so many, yeah, so many people just believe in like,
no, you go to school, you go to college,
you get a career and you do everything else,
but everything is so different now.
And so that kind of goes more in line
with what I was saying about like the easier time
because it's like, it's just a matter of fact.
You show up, you put in time, you
get the thing that you want.
Now you show up, you put in time, you get debt.
You're screwed.
So it's not a guaranteed thing anymore.
So yeah, does that mean it's, I think it was easier back then.
But let me ask you this.
Think about this too.
You show up, first off, you have an idea of what success looks like back then.
A success is graduating college in four years,
where I've only spent $15,000 or $10,000,
and then getting this job that will allow me
to pay for a house for $40,000.
And then I get to just go off into the sunset
and retire at 65, right?
Whereas nowadays, yeah, you might go into debt,
but there's also, there's so many other possibilities
that can make you money.
Okay, and I think once more people start to think
out of the box, then you have fucking 18 year olds
that are fucking making six figures already
because they've learned how to do certain things online.
And there's not just, it's not just making money
and creating content, there's many ways to make money.
Like again, we have an editor that's 22 years old
that makes, like there's tons of possibility.
And I think I don't necessarily,
I think that yeah, in some ways it's harder,
but as far as opportunity, it's actually so,
it's not as step by step.
But if you think out of the box,
if you start to pay attention to what other people are doing
and you don't buy into the standard idea of,
this is what I've been told to do,
this is where I go to school to get it,
this is the job I get and I'm gonna be here for 40 years.
If you don't, and that's not a bad thing,
I'm not saying that's a bad thing,
but I'm saying we have so much more that we can do
that I kind of think it's one of those things
where it's kind of better.
Yeah, no, I'm not necessarily arguing
or saying that it's more difficult to make money these days.
It's obviously way easier.
Like I could start selling random stuff on eBay
from my house and make some money.
Yeah, that's definitely it.
But the difficult part is I don't know exactly what to sell.
I gotta, you know what I mean?
Like I don't know what next YouTube video
is gonna pop off and that sort of thing.
And there's information age too, you know?
There's tons more information now.
That's hard, that's right.
But the argument that I was trying to make was like,
if you want this, here is the path, go for it.
It's guaranteed.
Yeah.
That no longer exists.
I would say the way that you make money is easier.
So like how to make money, that's always sort of difficult.
And it might be more difficult now
because you have to be creative.
And because the people that are making money
are probably out in front
and it might be just harder to catch up in some ways,
but you don't have to make money by like breaking your back.
But you were told what to do.
You were told like, do this,
and then you're gonna be able to do that.
It was more simple.
And also our society shamed you if you didn't do that.
If you didn't go to college,
like my uncle didn't go to college.
He ended up being like,
my uncle just has a, just kind of a great story
because he, he just like, I don't know,
just seemed like pretty fortunate.
Like he's a good communicator.
He's a good people person and stuff like that.
And so he was able to get a very, very successful job
working for IBM doing just about the same thing
that my dad did.
My dad went the more traditional route,
but my uncle was always just like,
ah, I don't really care.
Like he's just like, I don't know.
He just thought things would work out.
And then he, yeah, like me.
And they just did.
And he was more like, yeah, he was more casual about it.
But my dad was a little bit concerned
and he thought like, I need to do things by the book.
This is the way I was like taught to do stuff.
I think the story with him is that his dad took him
to college and basically said, don't come back
without a degree type thing.
And I don't know how true that is, but you know,
these are like the little stories that you hear
within your family.
But I think the way that we used to make money may have been more difficult
just because you didn't really have the opportunity to think about like, oh, what does Andrew
like?
What's Andrew?
What are you interested in?
The luxury.
Oh yeah, I can do what I'm interested in.
Oh wow.
I love audio.
I love pictures.
I love, I've always liked podcasts.
And then you can just ask for an opportunity to podcast and here we are.
Yeah, or even if you go to your workplace
and like, hey, I just realized that if we do this
instead of that, we're gonna save $100,000 a year
and then we're actually gonna make way more profit.
You do not think outside of the box.
You do what you're told and that's it.
Why do you have ideas?
Yeah, you're not allowed to, what the fuck?
What is this?
This ain't a free world.
Do I pay you for ideas?
Yeah, no.
I pay you to type, bitch.
Exactly.
Yeah. Oh, good. Flashbacks there.
I have a question for you guys, too.
Now, we talked...
You were talking a little bit about how, like, you know,
men don't usually, like, hug too much or say,
I love you that much, et cetera.
Your parenting styles, how did you guys... Like, how did you go about it? How are
you going about it with your son? Are you being warmer? I'm not saying you need to cry
to your kids, but what are you guys, how is it different from what the standard is?
Yeah, I'm trying to, I tell my son I love him every day. He's starting to say it back
and it's like the most amazing thing ever. So growing up, like we never said that ever.
Never happened. My mom and I maybe here and there. When my mom died, we started saying it a lot,
which is, you know, unfortunately that it took that long, but you know, or something had to happen.
I still am very like, you know, my wife is very affectionate. Everybody hugs in the family, like all that sort of thing.
We never did that.
So it's a very like contrast difference
between both ways that we grew up.
So with my son, he definitely has that
where he wants to like hug and he wants to like cuddle
and do all these things.
And I'm like, I'm trying, but then like,
like, hey, we've kind of been all like in the same room
all day long, like, let me get a little bit of space here. And then I get a little bit of space and kind of have to like recharge.
I recharge like alone, right? That's my thing. Everyone else recharges together. And sometimes that is difficult.
That's a really tricky thing where like, uh, somebody doesn't feel good. Let's get closer.
where somebody doesn't feel good, let's get closer.
As far as like maybe had a rough day, I'm a little tired, not necessarily sick, I just mean like emotional maybe.
Me, like, I'm frustrated at something,
I need some peace, I need some quiet, I need a moment.
But then it's like, oh no, let's hug, let's help.
Get away, bitch.
And I'm just like, look, I know this is tricky to understand,
but like I just, I need to be alone.
It's not you.
It's not like there's nothing between us or anything like that.
I just need some space.
And then so with my son, he gets a little caught in the crossfire.
Like being totally honest, like where he like, you know, he...
He's a yetim pierce sometimes.
No, but like, you know, like, because we'll say like, here, I'll hold you.
So now when he wants to be held,
he just comes and hold you.
It's the cutest thing ever.
Oh!
But, you know, and it's like,
he heard it like 8,000 times in one hour.
You're just like, fuck, okay.
And so my wife is like the complete opposite of me
when it comes to that stuff.
Like, so I am like actively trying to get better at it.
Yeah. And I'm trying to be way more affectionate than what I grew up with.
So yeah, I tell my son I love him every day.
Same thing with my daughter, same thing with my wife,
and we say it back to each other.
But as far as like...
I mean, I'm not crying in front of him,
but I'm trying to be more aware of his emotions and stuff.
Because I can tell when he's embarrassed.
I can tell when just he's feeling something, and I'm just like be more aware of his emotions and stuff. Cause like, I can tell when he's embarrassed.
I can tell when, uh, just he's feeling something and I'm just like, Hey, do you like it's cool?
Like, I'll just talk to him, even though maybe the communication is not really like hitting,
but I'm at least letting him know like, Hey, whatever you're feeling is totally fine.
Obviously he's three, so it's probably not hitting, but I'm just trying to get the reps in.
Cause like what Mark said, like it's probably not hitting. But I'm just trying to get the reps in. Because like what Mark said, he's actually mentoring me. And so when it comes to like, oh, I'm not a patient person,
like fuck, have a kid, they will teach you a lot about patience.
And they will teach you where your threshold is.
Because, whoo.
But yeah, so I am trying to-
Because he did the I do it thing, I'll do it, all that stuff.
Like he wants to buckle himself in a seatbelt and all that shit.
Sometimes here and there.
Takes forever.
Yeah, no, the thing is...
Let me just do it!
Oh yeah.
But they do need to like learn everything for themselves, you know?
Like, or they want to carry a cup that they don't want the sippy cup anymore or whatever.
He's just like, give me the grown cup.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
His thing is just like saying, okay.
So it's like, ah, I got to, you know, whatever, like insert anything that he might want to
do.
And if you just mention it, he's okay.
Like that means like, yes, let's go do it right now.
No, dude, that's not what I meant.
Like, ah, like I just agreed to this verbal contract.
Like, shit, I have to fulfill my end.
I said, okay.
Yeah.
Why I said, okay.
Yeah, that's what exactly what that interaction is like.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
So I'm trying is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
For me, I think in my house,
like if you don't know that you're loved,
then you're missing everything.
Cause like we say it a lot, we show it a lot.
My wife shows it more than she says it.
I say it a lot.
And I think, you know, for us, time is important.
It's important to spend like time together,
especially at the age that my kids are right now.
I mean, it's always good to spend time with your kids,
but I also think that there is a problem though
with like being there too much
and like loving on them a little bit too much,
not giving them space, not allowing them to,
you can't, I mean, you can,
you can parent your kid whatever way you want,
but I don't think it's great to really helicopter
and to nerf world everything that they do.
Like I think it's good to let them smash themselves
into some shit sometimes.
Even though you're watching, you're like, oh my God.
Like it used to like hurt my heart and like my stomach
whenever like Jake would like fall or something.
I was always like, oh my God.
And I just, over a while I was just like,
he's not really like, he's not getting hurt really.
He's like falling or stumbling or,
I try to teach him not to slam his finger in the door
or whatever, you try to teach him these lessons,
but they're still gonna do all this stuff
and they're still gonna get hurt.
So I just have always shared with my kids
that the way that we spell love in my family is T-I-M-E,
just spending a lot of time with each other, I think is really, really critical.
But I think so much of what Patrick Bette David is talking about and so much of what
we see time and time again when we talk about these things in society that are maybe just
different than the way they used to be, I think so often it comes back to parenting.
And hopefully, people don't always just wanna have a kid
because everyone else has a kid.
Hopefully it's something they really had an opportunity
to really think about
before they brought someone in this world.
And even if they didn't have a great opportunity
to think about it, hopefully after that,
they make decisions to be the best parent that they can be.
It's very, it's a very difficult and challenging thing.
And I think that, I think something that all parents
should know and understand, or people that are gonna be
parents at some point is that it's best to involve
kind of a lot of people.
It takes, you know, they say it takes a village
to raise a kid, it really does.
So if you don't have any grandparents around,
or you don't have aunts or uncles,
or family members, uncles, aunts, all that kind of stuff,
then it's something you really wanna try
to probably consider to set your kids up
the best that you possibly can.
Because I think the more people that are involved,
the more people that love on that kid
and teach the kid different stuff in different ways,
they'll get so many different perspectives.
Ready to keep going?
Point here.
So maybe men today need stronger role models
to challenge them and to show them
it is okay to go through challenges.
It is okay to have to fight through.
This is a part of becoming a man's man and it's natural.
Next point is the walking on eggshells society that we're living in today.
And what do I mean by walking on eggshells?
People are afraid of offending today.
Okay.
So when you're afraid of offending, you don't want to share your opinion.
And the way people learn who you really are
is by sharing your opinion
and feelings about different issues.
Now, in our family, I talk about four things with my boys.
We lead, we respect, we improve, we love.
Respect, let's talk about that.
If you constantly spend your life.
You know, I don't disagree with him on this.
I think some people, when they feel the need
or they're like, oh yeah, people aren't opinionated
or they don't honestly share their perspectives.
I think some people take that
and then they just become emboldened
to say whatever type of bullshit that they want
because it's their opinion.
It just brings me back to this thing.
Again, I saw it from this guy, Ryan Mickler,
and I'm mentioning him
because he's like a leader of men online
and I don't necessarily have a problem with him.
But he had this post again about the boxer Imani can leaf.
And the reason why that specific thing was so interesting to me
is because in his post, he literally said,
if you're a man and you don't think it's...
This is like, by the way, when it first came out
with like not the craziest amount of information. If you're a man and you think that this is okay, and you're not
strangely against this, you're not a man, blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, I was like,
dude, this, I mean, I get it that this whole XY thing that that's your, because everyone
that was commenting back to this guy about his opinion, he was like, XY chromosomes,
blah, blah, which this isn't about that. but this is more so about the idea of like,
you must have a strong opinion and take a stand
and put your flagpole somewhere.
And if you don't, then you're a fence,
what is it, a fence sitting pussy man?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, a fence sitting pussy man?
Yeah.
A vagina man.
A fence sitting a vagina man.
And so I don't think it's bad to have opinions
and be in bold, but also I see so many people that just...
It's like they want to have a strong opinion so that everyone sees that they have a strong opinion,
even if it's misinformed or potentially extremely fucking offensive.
I agree with some of what you're saying right now,
is I think that sometimes the strong opinion can be like a meme, right?
Like it could be pushed forward more aggressively. That's how you get on Joe a meme, right? Like it could be pushed forward more aggressively.
That's how you get on Joe Rogan, right? If you're a lot of the people he's had on are like very
opinionated and there are reasonable people that people can look up to that are really popular, but
the reasonable guy, the guy who's like a little bit more in the middle, who's going to kind of call
it more down the middle. You're not gonna...
Sometimes you see them get really popular, but in most cases, I think people want to get flamed up
from like the guy saying, you know,
something that did offend them
or it's something that they're supporting
and they're getting all fired up
because they share a similar opinion.
I want to add this in because that the offensive thing, right?
Because he was like, people are afraid of offending people.
And I don't think it's wrong to offend people.
But at the same time, it's like,
can we put these things forward,
but also just kind of be aware of other people,
aware of like the ideas that are being put forward.
And if you do offend people, that's fine.
You can have strong views that offend people,
but then let's talk about why you're offended.
Because again, it brings me back to this idea of like, you, I'm coming back to this post
thing.
You realize that you could have been calling somebody a man who's never been called a man
in their entire life.
And you're doing this on a platform with whatever hundreds of thousands of people who are now
also going to call this person a man.
Do you not realize how, I mean, again, I get it.
People are on social media. If, if, if people get popular, whatever mean, again, I get it. People are on social media.
If people get popular, whatever comes their way, comes their way.
But the whole time with that specific situation, I was thinking,
I was just like, this person that was born a woman,
grows up, does her sport, blah, blah, blah.
And now millions of people are online saying,
that's a fucking man.
Look at that face.
Look at that manly fucking face.
I'm just like, Jesus Christ.
I mean, people don't even, I mean, you can have your opinion,
but can we just be a bit more tactful with it?
Like, can we be courteous as human beings?
Because no matter what, there's another person.
I think it's unfair because this person
is exceptionally stronger than the other person.
You like kind of leave it there more, right?
Rather than like...
Then being accusatory saying,
this man is doing this on purpose.
It's just, it's unnecessarily mean.
And I don't think it's bad to be mean.
I'm not saying people can't be mean and people can't offend,
but it seems like a lot of people in the conquest
of putting their ideas forward, they just want,
it's like they just want to be an asshole.
And for some people being asked,
you can be an asshole all you want, but like, damn.
Yeah, like I think, yeah, you should be able
to speak your mind, and if it offends somebody,
that's okay, but I don't think you should, like,
go out of your way to be offensive.
Then that's like a whole different thing.
Then just like you said, like,
then you're just being an asshole.
You're just being a dick.
And you're getting some likes and some shares,
like that's just being a dick. I think it's tough too,
because someone like Patrick Bette David is super smart.
And some of the other words that he talked about,
like that he shares with his family
and shares with his kids,
like one of the number one things he talked about
was respect, you know, respect and love.
And so, you know, if you're coming from a place
of respect and love, obviously amongst family members,
it might be different than the way you treat everybody else,
but it should be probably than the way you treat everybody else,
but it should be probably pretty similar.
And if you have, he's a guy that I'm sure,
I mean, I don't know him.
My brother's actually gonna interview him for his movie
coming up, so I think that's a really cool opportunity.
Again, I'm a huge fan of Patrick Bette David,
but I think sometimes when we try to apply
like a lot of different like logic or rules
to like a mass of people,
people are just so different
and not everybody has ever really had a dad
like Patrick Beck David that's teaching in the household
about these ideas of love and respect
and how you should be able to strongly share
your own opinion and you should be okay.
And if you do so in a respectful way,
hopefully that kind of covers your basis.
I don't think, and he did mention tiptoe.
He's like, he doesn't really love that you have to tiptoe.
You should be able to tell people certain things.
You'd be able to say, like, hey, the other day
when you said this to me, like, that wasn't cool.
I thought about it a little bit more.
I had to, you know, it didn't really register, but I just wanted to, we're friends.
We all, we all care about each other and that really bothered me.
You should be able to say that without all of a sudden being like, what's, you know,
what the fuck did you say, bro?
Motherfucker, what?
Yeah.
And I think the flip side is, I don't know,
it's worse or better, whatever.
But like when I'm making a post or something,
I will also like, let me reread this,
make sure I don't offend anybody.
I don't think if you get offended,
that's the green light to just go fucking bonkers
and start creating like a bunch of like hate speech
towards the person that gave you whatever
hurt your feelings a little bit.
Like you should be able to come back with, or maybe not come back, just fucking unfollowed,
whatever keep moving on.
But unfortunately, if I like I'll comment on some of your posts, whatever it may be.
And it's like people go fucking nuts.
And I'm like, I'm going to just stop commenting on posts because no matter what I say no matter if I'm trying to be silly
Give advice or just whatever somebody always has some dumb shit to say and I'm like like did you totally miss the point of all?
Of this. I think actually really interesting point. I've been like I've been censored in a way
You know, like I'll go to say something on someone else's post and I'm like, ah, they don't really understand that like,
I'm friends with the person,
I'm trying to make a dumb dad joke probably.
I probably shouldn't say it anyway,
therefore I'll just like, won't even leave it, you know?
So it is interesting.
And I think it's some to some of what Patrick
Bette-Dave is talking about.
Yeah, again, I want to clarify,
I don't think there's anything wrong with offending people.
Really, your views, if you have views on something, it's going to offend somebody.
And the conversation can start from there.
But you don't have to be a dick while doing it.
But if you choose to be a dick while doing it, it's a free country.
Be a dick if you want to be a dick.
Whatever.
It takes intelligence to not be a dick about it.
Sometimes when you're being like really...
Because there's certain opinions that would just,
there's certain opinions that would really just bug people.
Like if you shared your stance on abortion,
even if you explained yourself, you know,
they'd be like, I just, man, I never saw that from you, man.
I can't even believe it.
I'm gonna not follow you anymore.
And that disgusts me or whatever.
You're like, whoa, that escalated quickly.
I just, I have this opinion, you have that one.
I don't know why, I don't know why we can't,
you should be able to have that opinion.
I should be able to have this one
and we should be able to exist with no problem.
But doesn't always work that way.
But your opinion is wrong.
Exactly.
So that's why you shouldn't have it.
And now your opinion is just who you are.
That's your whole personality.
Yeah, you can't detach that.
R. Kelly's music and R. Kelly.
You should be able to detach the two.
I don't like pissing on young kids, but I mean,
I like ignition.
Dude.
You remind me of my G.
All right, let's go.
By disrespecting people, you're eventually
going to be alone and not successful in business
because it doesn't work out if you
want to disrespect everybody. People are not going to stick around in't work out if you wanna disrespect everybody.
People are not gonna stick around in a work environment
if you're disrespecting them.
People are not gonna be with you friendship-wise
if you're constantly disrespecting them and judging them.
And quite frankly, you're gonna be by yourself.
Now offending is a different story.
Today, they're trying very, very hard
to cause men to be careful with their thoughts and what
they say.
And God forbid you say something that's going to offend somebody, you're walking on eggshells.
Pause.
I don't know.
Because it's cool.
He just, he got to that.
Just like, I'm just curious what he's going to say next.
But do you think people should be careful with like, yeah, what do you guys think about
that?
Because like, in essence, I do think you should be careful about how you put things forward.
I don't think you should just put everything you put forward based off of how you feel
you just put that forward.
Like that's my raw truth.
You should audit that a little bit is my opinion.
But what do you guys think?
Yeah, I think if you're are if you are open to discussions and you're open to like just literally just thinking the
way you present information will kind of show that right so like if I say I don't
know if I don't want to hear any argument that jujitsu doesn't work in
the street the way I speak about that we'll just be talking shit about like
judo we'll be talking shit about like all these other whatever martial arts and
stuff and somebody will come at me and be like actually if you just like box about like judo, we'll be talking shit about like all these other whatever martial arts and stuff.
And somebody will come at me and be like, actually, if you just like box somebody up,
like you won't be able to take whatever it may be or a wrestler comes and takes you down,
what are you going to do? Like you're not going to pull guard on the street.
Then like that will just cause a lot of friction during that conversation.
So I think if, if you're just like, I don't know, more laid back like us,
when somebody does say something, I think you're just like, I don't know, more laid back like us, when somebody
does say something, I think you're just like, okay, like it's an opinion or whatever.
You know, does that make sense?
I get what you're saying.
One of the coolest things I've learned is just at the end of a sentence, they use a
question mark instead of a period.
Because a question mark is a question and a period means it's a statement.
And so if I just come from the place of asking a question,
even if the question is sort of rude
or if the question's like,
hey man, I don't understand, you know,
or I don't understand why people have a hard time
working out four days a week.
Then you just reframe that a little bit and say,
I really love working out. Why do you guys think it's so hard for people to train four days a week. Then you just reframe that a little bit and say, I really love working out.
Why do you guys think it's so hard for people to train four days a week?
Like they still could be offended by that.
They could be like, well, Mark, you don't have a job.
They could do all that stuff that they always do.
Right.
Which is true.
It can still do all that stuff that they normally do, but it is a question.
And so I think, I think asking questions and trying to get people
to communicate back and forth, I think,
can be really valuable.
I do think that there's certain people
that are just sort of screwed.
It's kind of very difficult for them
to really say anything.
And so I think, you know, a guy like The Rock,
it's like he's got to stick to his pancakes
and his cheat meals and is like, it's just difficult.
Like, it's just got to be, it's got to be hard, you know?
Even something like he buys a truck for his mom or something.
It's like, oh, I looked that truck up. It's 55, like, why didn't you buy, you know what I mean?
Like, it's just, just there's scrutiny like everywhere.
So I think it's hard for some of those people.
I also think that it's our
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way, you can't really be as disappointed in something that they say. If Alex Hermosy makes
a political statement, he's not talking about money or he's not talking about his giant calves.
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because you chose to not necessarily,
for finances, you're like, he's a great resource, right?
But then for everything else,
I would just say that if we put these people up
on a pedestal, then we're most likely
gonna be kinda disappointed
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You know, I found something helpful.
When I was in my early 20s,
I consumed a lot of Tim Ferriss content and books and stuff.
And there's this one thing I read that he mentioned.
He probably got it from someone else,
but he mentioned this idea of strong views loosely held.
And it's that idea that like, if you have strong views,
continue to like believe those things
and even try to find more evidence for it
if you truly believe in that.
But also if something comes across your way
that puts a big hole in your belief system potentially,
and it's legitimate, maybe be open enough to examine that
rather than kick it away.
Because a lot of people, when they hear something
that is different from what they do,
or kind of overturns the whole idea
of the way they think about something,
they kind of just ignore it and continue down with their.
And if that's what you choose to do, okay.
But a lot of the times you can actually grow
by allowing yourself to intake this thing
that might be different.
And maybe you might find that there's some gold nugget here
or maybe shit, maybe it does put a hole
in everything you've thought for a long time.
And you shift, but that's better.
Why wouldn't you seek something better
if it's right there, right?
That happened to me with lifting.
Like when people started benching, squatting,
and deadlifting so often, I was like,
oh my God, all these people were gonna get completely wrecked.
And then really all that happened was like most of them,
a couple of people got wrecked, but for the most part,
people just got really, really strong
and records started falling left and right.
I'm like, I didn't know that you could bench squat
and deadlift multiple times a week like that.
Like some of them doing like three, four days a week, pretty heavy.
I was like that, I'm like, there's just no, there's no way in hell I'd ever even try that.
I'm like, that seems ridiculous. And I didn't stick around long enough to try it.
Thank God. Seemed like it was like it was brutal, but it worked great.
And there's a lot of people still utilizing and Lane Norton is still getting PRs.
And there's, there's other lifters that utilize that same,
I think Jesus Oliveris is just like,
he just keeps getting stronger somehow,
which I don't really know how it's possible.
He can still touch the rim.
Yeah, yeah, Duncan and stuff like,
or I don't know if he dunked,
but he'd touch touching the rim like a basketball.
He landed like a ninja at 400 pounds.
That's what I noticed when he landed.
I was like, wow, that was like a quiet, like fucking good landing.
Yeah.
Seems springy.
Just wait.
Not many leaders that I call leaders who walk on X-Shows that are not comfortable
sharing their thoughts on different issues.
They share their thoughts, but they get better at their soft skills to know how
to deliver their messages better. That's something you're going to get better at their soft skills to know how to deliver their messages better.
That's something you're going to get better at for the rest of your life.
But walking on actual society where you're sitting there by yourself, not really sharing
your thoughts, it's as if you don't exist.
You're non-existent.
And that's just not what men's-
A positive per second.
I think sharing your opinion, I think, is great, but also not saying anything sometimes
I think is awesome as well.
I have friends that make a lot of money
that have big businesses and they don't really,
they're not like forward facing.
So you don't really ever hear their opinions.
You don't hear them really say anything about anything.
But for me, there's potential to where I could hurt
my own business or hurt some things simply by making a political statement
or it doesn't necessarily seem like it impacts me
from a financial perspective,
but it does change my Instagram for sure.
Like my Instagram just like went down like 20, 30,000,
just from like some recent stuff that I did,
but I don't really care that much about that.
But that also just, it's probably in my best interest
just to not share certain opinions
since I can't seem to communicate to people
in a way that is allowing them to see my point of view
in any productive way.
Like literally all it does is kind of make them mad.
You can't add context in anything short.
It's literally just like this, right? Yeah, it's just like that. Literally all it does is kind of make them mad. You can't add context in anything short.
It's literally just like this, right?
Yeah, it's just like that.
And so even stuff like that,
like for the people that Patrick, but David probably knows,
he's supposedly worth like $500 million
and he's in a network of people that are really high level.
Not everyone's going to be like Dana White.
Dana White's like, fuck this, fuck you, fuck everybody.
I'm doing things this way.
He has things set up really well
to where he can be that way,
but there's other people that have businesses
and they also have a lot of other people
that have invested in that business.
And it's just not, it's just not smart.
It's just flat out not smart for them to overly communicate on their opinions all the time
on a public forum.
This is so interesting.
I think it's tough because some people just want somebody to just share their raw things.
And I even take this, when I hear something like that, I go into the way I communicate
with my girlfriend, right?
Because we'll be having a conversation about something that we vehemently disagree with.
But when I put things forward to her, you know, I will, she'll clearly understand what
I'm saying, but I'm not just going to, I'm going to be aware of the way that she's going
to view it.
And I'm going to deliver it in a way that she can hear
what I'm saying and have a fruitful conversation.
Because there's ways to have conversation
where you can purposefully make it combative.
A lot of people do that in debate.
A lot of people do that with political stuff.
And that's okay if your intention is to potentially
have a combative type of conversation with somebody.
Do that sometimes just if you're frustrated.
If you're frustrated, of course, right?
But like, I don't know.
It's one of those things where I think in some situations
it's beneficial to converse like that.
For example, our conversation with functional patterns.
I came at them with the things that I disagreed with,
but I delivered that message to them in a way
that they were, they didn't have to feel like their guard,
well, they had their guard up,
but they were disarmed a little bit, right?
Because I was actually open to hearing what they had to say
and they heard the disagreements.
But I could have come at it like, you guys are weak,
you're twigs, I don't think a lot of the,
I think you're missing a lot of stuff in your system,
which is why people, I could have come at it in a way
that was like, oh, that's the way you feel,
but where would that have led us?
Would that have led us to understanding anything
about what the person's trying to do,
or would that have just made them defensive
and they'd want to fight back?
I would say you guys have great genetics
and you're both on steroids.
And they would just be closed off to anything else.
I'm not saying that's what I think necessarily,
but I'm saying that's what a lot of people would do.
Fuck you, you're weak, this, that, right?
Yeah, and I don't think having the conversation
go the way it did makes you weak, right?
Because you're still able to convey the message.
You're still able to stand your ground
without being offensive again,
without causing that confrontation.
And so I think what Patrick, but David was just saying,
he said something along the lines of like,
that's not allowing you to be the man you're supposed to be.
But it's like, well, man, what an amazing skill
in negotiating and all these other things
if you can still hold your ground
without making somebody else go on the like
hardcore defensive side and shut you down.
So yeah, I don't know.
I think I just, I would just disagree with that.
Yeah, but like this thing, sometimes it's good,
sometimes it's beneficial, depends on the situation, right?
But if you're able to have a conversation with someone
and you don't have to make the alarms in their head ring,
but you're still able to deliver what you wanna deliver,
I don't know.
I think it's a good skill to have.
And he mentioned that that's a soft skill
that people develop, right?
So it's...
I know at this point we're very deep into this conversation. We've been chatting for a long time, That's a soft skill that people develop, right? So it's... Yeah.
I know at this point, we're very deep into this conversation.
We've been chatting for a long time,
but I think that it'd be a mistake not to mention this,
that we're aware, you know,
like we're aware of the time that we're in
and we're aware of what people say,
especially at my age, I hear people just sounding old,
you know, and what the old people are gonna sound like is they're gonna say, at my age, I hear people just sounding old,
and what the old people are gonna sound like
is they're gonna say,
I don't understand why these fucking kids have anxiety.
They have nothing to have anxiety about.
They have everything at their fingertips
and what are they just worried about,
like a post that someone else made?
And so people, they jump to conclusions.
They don't really know anything about anxiety.
They never really looked into it. They don't really know anything about anxiety. They never really looked into it.
They don't really understand.
Like we're in a time where, okay,
generations before us have made things easier
and they have made things more cushy,
but maybe because of that,
we're in a place where people have extra time
and maybe they have,
maybe they're consuming too much stuff on social media, who knows all the causes of anxiety.
There's so many things that can go into it.
There could be genetics involved.
There could be just the brain chemistry.
But the simple fact is,
is that a lot of people suffer from that
and people just wanna like be like,
oh, what a bitch this person is.
And they just, they don't think it's real, but it's real.
I've seen it from people before.
Seen it from people I love, people I care about,
people that are family members.
I don't know why it happens.
The person that has the anxiety doesn't know why it happens.
We can have some ideas on why it might happen.
Yes, playing outside and doing all this other stuff,
like those could all be great things.
We've learned some things about a keto diet
that could play into that,
that could potentially help some of these people.
But there's certain things that happen where,
I think older people, they just kind of put their hands up
and like, I can't believe this.
And they don't have anything to help with the problem.
I just like put their hands up.
These kids these days, I can't believe it,
are millennials or whatever they want to like bitch their hands up. These kids these days, I can't believe it, are millennials or whatever they wanna like
bitch and complain about.
And it's like, oh, this purple-haired person
at the coffee shop, you know, they got my thing wrong.
And it's like, that happens all the time
as a matter of the fucking person and purple hair.
You know?
You know?
Had the oriental at the coffee shop.
Why didn't he, why did he just put that fucking?
Exactly, exactly.
Oh. Holy. Holy. Why did he just put that fucking... Exactly, exactly.
All right, let's roll. Men do.
The next thing I wanna talk to you about is competition.
Society wants to convince you that competition
is not healthy for you.
By the way, the same people that are selling you that
are those who lost, who do not know how to handle it.
The reality of it is, socialist boys have limited options, capitalist men have unlimited options
in every aspect of their life.
Where they live, where they travel to,
where they eat, who they date,
anything you want, they have an unlimited supply
of options and unfortunately, those who don't compete
don't like the fact that you have more options.
You know when I was 14 years old,
I was playing in this basketball association
for troubled teenagers.
I'm in a league with Mara Sabatrucha with Black Diamonds with you know
the SureƱos 18 with the Bloodcrip all these guys and
One day we're in this tournament and only five of our players showed up and we played against a team that had a full lineup
And we lost by 104 points this trophy that my dad has till today a last place trophy
And he puts it right there and he says you know why we have this trophy to my dad has till today, a last place trophy, and he puts it right there
and he says, you know why we have this trophy?
To remind you how bad you lost.
It's almost like, experience the pain, son.
And I'm like, throw that thing away.
He says, no, you lost by 104 points.
Look at the psyche of a father.
A mother would say, why would you do that to him?
That hurts his feeling.
My dad's like, that's exactly what he needs. The pain of a loss makes a man come back and improve.
Makes him stay up late at night,
practice and while everybody else is sleeping,
makes this guy say one day I'm gonna prove to the world
that I'm a winner.
So going back to you,
there's nothing wrong with competing.
There's nothing wrong with losing.
As long as you keep showing up and competing
eventually, you're going to get your shot. But you're better off being a capitalist than
being a socialist.
True. Yeah, I would say learning how to lose is an essential skill. Right. And you can
always tell which kids don't know how to lose by how they when they they actually win, how they rub it in everybody's face.
And you know, they literally is the first time
they've ever been there.
But when you lose and you realize like being
on the other side and all the shit that you have to go
through, you win with class, right?
And I think-
You can also lose without having to give a bunch
of excuses.
What do you mean?
Like when a lot of people, when they lose,
there's like all these excuses. This plethora of excuses and What do you mean? Like when a lot of people, when they lose, there's like all these excuses.
This plethora of excuses and all these imaginary things
as to why they lost.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right, so.
Because being a socialist is just not attractive.
Final thoughts here.
Look, as you're going through the process
from being a boy to a man or from a man to a man's man,
many times you'll by yourself.
Say you don't have a father figure.
Say you don't have a strong male role model. You don't know who to talk to and you're trying to a man's man. Many times you buy yourself, say you don't have a father figure, say you don't have a strong male role model,
you don't know who to talk to,
you're trying to please everybody,
your mom's telling you,
well that's not the way to behave
and you don't have another man to bounce off the idea
to think if it's a good idea or not.
You're like, okay, I'm gonna please my mom.
I'm gonna please my teacher, who is a woman.
I'm gonna please my girl, who is a female.
I'm gonna please my girlfriend's mom.
You're trying to please everybody
and you're becoming less and less and less of a man. And you're in the car by yourself saying, man, I'm losing please my girlfriend's mom. You're trying to please everybody and you become less and less and less of a man.
And you're in the car by yourself saying,
man, I'm losing my identity.
I don't even know who I am.
Then you lean towards making bad decisions.
Look, take a time out away from everybody
and sit down and say, what do I stand for?
What are your values and principles?
What do you stand for as a man?
What do you wanna do with your life?
What kind of a leader you wanna be in your life?
You, who do you wanna be?
Not what everybody's trying to force you to become.
Who do you want to be?
Then go solve for that, and when you do that,
be prepared for some people to not like it.
That includes a lot of women in your life.
Makes sense.
And then all of a sudden you're gonna be like,
oh my God, I'm finding more men like myself out there.
Fantastic, they're out there.
They're everywhere.
You're on high knees.
You can find them. Just like yourself. You're not the only one that's thinking what you're thinking
right now. But you want to be a man's man. The world gives you more opportunities
when you do so. We are living in a very, very competitive environment. So if you
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Boys being boys. Be a man's man. That was a great video. That was really good. I think
People like Pedro's coolian, right?
They have these programs and you see them like torturing these guys and having them, you know, crawl up a hill backwards bear crawl
with a weighted vest on and there's obviously like some sort of need for
a weighted vest on and there's obviously like some sort of need for, uh, cause he, Pedro's cooling is not the only person that has these adventures or whatever you
want to call them that these guys do. And there's, he's like,
I mean, I've never seen it before. These like men's groups, uh,
or guys go and they, um,
do activities and they do stuff that's difficult together for a couple days in a
row type thing.
I think that there must be a reason why those things exist.
There must be people that are seeking some of that out for some particular reason.
Maybe people are thinking, if I can get in touch with my inner David Goggins, maybe that
can help change me and help make me better.
The idea of like men being less manly,
especially if you think about like from 30 years ago,
you know, I guess we would need like definitions,
what's manly and so on,
but I would say that people probably from the past
in general are tougher for multiple reasons.
And the further that you go back,
you gotta just admit that they're tougher
and tougher and tougher.
We could probably argue about like 2000s and the 90s
and the 80s and 70s,
and we can kind of like go back and forth
on some shit like that.
But if we go back like a few hundred years,
like I don't have any survival skills at all.
So like, I don't know,
I mean, I guess like I have some fitness so I could like do okay with like walking long distances and stuff like that. But yeah, I don't know how to, I don't know how to hunt.
Kind of halfway know how to fish. So I guess I could figure out something with that.
But you know what I mean? Like, you know, years and years and years
ago or hundreds of years ago, you know, nowadays we everything's temperature controlled. We
walk into here, we got air conditioning, we got heat, we have that in our cars, we have
that every single place you travel to the grocery store and so on. I was just even thinking
of like, I was drinking some cold water after a workout yesterday and I was like
Where would you get?
Really cold water, you know, like 700 years ago ice cold beverage. Yeah ice cold beverage
I mean if it was 95 degrees outside the water was probably pretty warm and you didn't get that same kind of hit that you
Get from, you know drinking out of one of these like ice shaker things or whatever. Probably a little bit dirty.
So there's, yeah, exactly, a little dirt.
Get the little microbes on you.
But yeah, I mean, I think that men probably used to be tougher
and maybe used to be a little bit more manly,
but I don't really know how good that is.
And I think that that's something
that I guess people have to have their own interpretation of.
One thing is that, I mean, the thing of the case is that, yes, there probably were much more manly men in the early 1900s and 1800s, etc.
But you actually had to be harder to survive in those times. Like the amount of just random killings that would happen,
robberies, whole families just destroyed
and all their stuff taken
and no one would be able to find out who did it.
You just had to be able to survive more.
Whereas now, like there is more literal security.
There's all these things that make life a bit less worrisome.
For you, for your safety,
for the safety of your family, et cetera.
That is just like, the one type of man
that would have had to survive really well back then,
now there are many type of men.
And men that didn't automatically fit that stereotype, right?
That was around them of being the masculine man.
If they feel like they want to do some stuff in fashion,
well, they have the ability to.
If they want to play games, they have the ability to.
If they can literally do whatever they want
because the times, like the times don't call for them
to have to be a masculine man.
But if that is in you though,
if you feel like I want to do masculine things,
you have the choice to develop that spectrum
of your personality and physical and mental acuity.
You can do that.
Yeah, it's a man's need to like seek like advancements
that's kind of almost almost screwing things up,
I guess, if right?
Because all these advancements that you just talked about is making it a little more convenient
for us to sit down and play Call of Duty or whatever.
But one thing I was just thinking about right now, I was talking to Owen because we both
just happen to get cameras at the same time.
But I don't know if, maybe because we're so close to it, this is really
looking at it under a microscope because it's only a short period of time. But when I was editing the
way he was, I had to transfer footage via tape, right? I had to ingest footage. So if I shot for
three hours, it took me three hours to get that footage into the computer
So now am I gonna look at him and be like, oh you guys have it so easy
Like what are you talking about? You don't have to do this and that so it's sort of like, you know
If my dad's like, oh you have it so easy
You can just sell stuff online or whatever then now I can turn around it and him and be like, oh, it's so easy
You have 4k footage like built-in and all this other stuff. You can shoot at 24 frames.
Oh my God, I had to deinterlace my footage
and do all this other shit.
And he's just like, I don't even know what that means.
And it's like, it's just, it's interesting
that it's never going to stop because even in my short career
of content creation, just a little bit over 13 years now,
it's still like, yeah, it was completely different
13 years ago, right? It's like insanely different. And it's only been 13 years now, it's still like, yeah, it was completely different 13 years ago,
right? It's like insanely different and it's only been 13 years. It's never going to stop
and we're never going to be the generation that's like, no, actually, the younger people
do have it harder. It's never going to stop. That sucks.
I think, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of parents, a lot of men that could teach their
children to be a man, to be more manly or get their child around male figures. But trying to
define it or trying to figure out like what any of that means, I think is really difficult to figure
out. So I think it's something that is like caught and not taught. So I think
when people are thinking about this topic, if you're, if you're someone that, you know,
thinks that like things have to change with this, when you have your own child, like there's
your opportunity to turn your boy into the manliest man ever. Strength is never a weakness,
weakness never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.