Mark Bell's Power Project - Tools For Overcoming Anxiety & PTSD - Julien Pineau || MBPP Ep. 1085

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

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How did you find out that you were autistic? By reading, by studying it. I was like, hey, I do that. They're talking about me. Any function taken too far is a disorder. The problem is that autism is first a function. So for example, with autism, they cannot jump. There's a problem with eccentric and loading.

I make them pull a rope because I needed to have a beginning and an end. You met anxious people. An anxious person will always be anxious. This is good, it can drive you to do more on everything. But the real problem is when they start crashing from that, falling into depression, falling into panic attacks. So the only moment where they're not anxious is when they're doing. How does some of this research and some of what you've been doing, how does it help with PTSD? A trauma created a prior. You're putting too much

weight into that prior. So what do we do? Exposure therapy. We're going to introduce stress. And right before you go to a 12, I'm going to ask you to come back to a six. Whenever I'm going to give you a 10, and you're going to freak out, you're going to have a panic attack. Right before you go to a 12, I'm going to ask you to come back to a six. Whenever I'm going to give you a 10 and you're going to freak out, you're going to have a panic attack. Right before we go there, I'm going to teach you how to create a vagal response so that you don't go into a panic attack. If you guys have been enjoying the content we've been bringing here on The Power Project, consider leaving us a review on Spotify and Apple.

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and enjoy the rest of the show. You were just mentioning some of the differences between training men and women. I think that's super interesting. And that's, I think a cool thing to start off with. Yeah, yeah. Let's offend everybody. I like it. There's some major differences.

I don't live in the US. I have a French accent. I live in Brazil. I'm allowed to say what I want. I'm just telling you right now. If you lose your YouTube channel again, it's all new, not me. I like the prerequisite, laying it all down first.

You were mentioning that when you've helped women athletes that they got to win. And when you help men athletes, they got to lose. What do you mean by that? So like, let's imagine I explain a workout. That's my experience is the guy's already warming up. I haven't even explained what the workout is and they're already warming up and doing stuff. And so I wait for them at the end of the workout when they fail, they're dead, half of them

hurt somewhere. I'm like, all right, you're going to listen to me now? And they go, yeah, coach. Yeah, okay. Okay. So does that prior? Yeah, whatever. Women though, they'll wait until I've explained the entire workout very, very clearly up to

the rep before they go, okay, so what's the workout again? And then we go through the stuff and everything. It's a completely different approach. And so, so my wife, I'm her coach, more or less. It's complicated. So I'm her husband first. So I never really tell her I'm her coach, because otherwise when we train together, for example, it's her session.

So we had fights about that, which means no, no, no, we're training partners. That's not how this works. So too many times we ended up being, ended up being her session. So now we don't train together anymore. Even though we train at home, we train separately because otherwise it's her session, not mine. And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

Anyway, so welcome to marriage. That's another problem. So I'm not coaching her technically, but we start powerlifting, it's about three years ago. I make her do a squat session. So we do, it wasn't that much, I was able to do 125 for five reps and the knee moves on the fifth rep and that kind of freaks her out and everything. Second set, she does three reps and she crumbles.

Like she fails the fourth and mentally it's a nightmare. She's like, I don't like powerlifting. She's not feeling well. I'm like, all right, it's not on you, it's on me. It was actually me as a coach, I fucked up. I'm like, all right, I know that one from experience. So a few days later, we do an Iman. Same weight, so every minute on the minute, same hundred kilos. She does 12 reps total in 12 minutes. And as she went on, the weight moved faster and faster and better and better because every single time she had one rep, that's a win.

She had so many seconds to rest before the next rep, that's a win. So what I did is I piled up the wins and that became a great session for her. And now she likes to squat. That aspect is something I've seen with almost all women that I coach. Unless they're extremely confident toward a movement, you want to go wins after wins after wins after wins. Guys don't learn shit from winning. We have to lose.

Otherwise with, I mean, Jiu Jitsu, right? John Matt Shadow choked me, I don't know, about 2,853 times before I went like, I get it. I need to protect my neck. I get it. Coach, I'm relaxed now. I totally understand Jiu-Jitsu, right? He had to just be like, yeah, but, yeah, but you know, like I could do it that way. It's like, no, choke me. Okay, fine. And then he went on and on and on and on and on like that. So for CrossFit, he was, he was fascinating because you know, who uses

Imam the most is CJ from Invictus. And especially at the time, he had the strongest women out there and they were doing high percentages imam for 30 minutes. So imagine you do 90% for 30 minutes. I don't know a man that can do that. That's just tough. None of the guys could do it. Only the women could take it.

I was like, all right, there's something there. What is this thing that they can do that we cannot? So we are better at higher percentages, but like 90%, they can take an abuse we can't touch. And some people say that it has to do with like neurological efficiency. Do you agree with that? Or you think it's something else going on?

Honestly, I think it's the win thing. Like if you see the way women are built from a almost like a, I don't want to say biological, it's a physiological part, right? When you look at risk versus reward systems, right? So risk taking, you would call it or whatever. Women are highly, you know, like whenever you take a risk versus reward, what you gamble,

you put weight one way or another toward that. Women put most of the weight toward the consequences of their actions, the risks that they're gonna take. Men is mostly like, how do I win? You know, you stick your fingers in the outlet and by the fourth time you're like, but maybe this time, right? Hey, maybe I win this time, right? You never know, right? Women look at you going like, you dumb son.

Why would you do that? Because I'm not sure. Maybe the fourth, you never know. Whereas women put most of the thing on the risk taking. Because by the way, they bear most of the brunt of bad decisions. Wrong dude, ostracized from the tribe, all that. So they're much more on the risk management side of things. So I think there's a greater value for women into winning,

whereas there's a greater value on men into losing, in that sense, from a learning behavior perspective. So I think in order to learn, so that doesn't mean necessarily that the physiology is that difference between men and women. There are differences. But I think on a nervous system, system from a learning behavior,

women will learn better through wins, where men don't seem to. I don't know about you guys, but I don't learn shit from winning. No, I mean, just from experience, jujitsu, et cetera, I've learned the most from stuff that I've lost. So that's where I've made the most changes. Like I know like, when I've had those losses,

I know what I need to change, but when I'm just winning, it's like, it's working, so. So let me game this. Now that I'm winning, I'm gonna put more of my own instinct into it, and then you're gonna get your ice-kicks. And go, yeah, that was a bad idea. We may not look at it like that.

They have a completely different learning system based on that. So as much as they are obviously physiological differences, right? I think a lot of it is a learning behavior because I mean, how do you get strong? It takes so long, right? So see the 30 minute imam, every wind seems to give them energy. So every rep and then they can keep going and going. And then they can, I don't want to say endure, but they can take that abuse because they're winning

every time, which seems to allow them to keep going. You've already been in fitness and you've already been training, you've been doing Jiu Jitsu for a long time before you ever really ran into CrossFit. Did CrossFit surprise you? Like, were you like, that doesn't make sense to train for a half an hour at 90%, but it's working. I got into CrossFit and I'm like, why are those women so lean and strong?

Everyone thinks it's drugs. At the time it wasn't. I don't know how it is now, but I was there at the time, like a Valérie Vaubourg. By the way, when I was training Valérie, she finished fifth at the CrossFit Games. She's 36 years old. She's a math teacher. Her daughter is five. We both could have...

Doesn't mean she's not taking a little bit of testosterone. Exactly. By the way, I wasn't inferring drug use, but I'm saying everyone thinks it's drug use. No, no, no, no. And maybe it's... I agree with you though. I don't think there's nearly as many drugs

in CrossFit, period, as people think there is. I was there when Lauren Fisher was 18 and killing it, and I can guarantee you she wasn't taking anything. Valérie, I was with her all the time. She was not taking drugs. You know how you know, also there was no change in their physique. See if you can bring up Lauren Fisher. Yeah. She was unbelievable. Oh my god.

As a kid. She was 17 when she finished ninth, I think. It was ridiculous. But honestly, they were not taking. Again, I don't know the sport. But honestly, they were not taking. Again, I don't know the sport anymore, but back then, uh-uh. Anyway, so I get there, and they're also lean and strong.

At the time, I'm looking at powerlifting, Olympic weightlifting, if you're strong, you're fat. Pretty much, right? By the way, I don't know if people remember, but you go to a local powerlifting competition back then, a woman squats 100 kilos, you're like, hey, yeah, look at her when she's, is that the early stages?

No, this is pretty recent. Yeah, this is pretty recent. When she finished ninth, her first CrossFit Games, I believe she was 17, I think, or just turned 18, something like that. Her brother was a hell of a competitor too. Oh yeah, Garrett, yeah, I trained him too. I think he trained Rick Ross for a little of a competitor too. Oh yeah, yeah. Garrett. Yeah, yeah. I trained him too.

I think he trained Rick Ross for a little while. Yeah, he did. He did, with the whole family. They were all baseball players and stuff. He told me some stories. It was wild. Oh, I would love to. I was like, holy shit, man.

I'm like, I don't know if I'd be comfortable in that situation. Probably not. But yeah, he was like early on. So they were all incredible, but I'm like, again, so again, like they are lean, what's very lean for women, right? Athletes, they're very strong, like their snatch keeps going up every year. And I'm like, how do you not specialize in Olympic weightlifting and the average snatch of,

if you see the 20, 30 competitors goes up every year. I'm like, I don't understand. By the way, that's not true of the men. So again, I go to local. So at the time we had a powerlifting team, a woman who squads a hundred kilos, you go like, Hey, they lift 140 kilos or 315. You're like, wow, that woman is strong. You go to the CrossFit game, they all squatting 315, right? At least. And then they all dead lifting in the usually 365. I'm like at any powerlifting competition at those weight classes, they would do extremely well. And then they start competing in Olympic weightlifting and they start doing national level.

Like I remember Lindsay Valenzuela, she snatched 90 kilos at the time for her weight class. This is a top three, if not top one in Olympic weightlifting in the U.S. And she's a CrossFitter going to the CrossFit Games. So we all look like, oh, by the way, back then, first 90 kilo snatch was her in CrossFit. We all went, oh my God, this is amazing. Three years later, they're all snatching 200 pounds. It's insane, it's crazy.

You go like, I don't know. And I'm looking at the training system. So I'm at Invictus with CJ. And by the way, his volume was not even that high. And to me, me was the craziest shit I've ever seen. It's like, what do you mean you train three times a day for prep at full blast for 20 minutes? I'm like, no, you don't. And I'm there watching them going like, I'm just, I'm out of breath watching them. I was like, cardio is not good for you, man. Like that, that can't work. It's like, you know what I mean? Like I don't understand. And again, it's not working for the men,

but for the women, they are killing it. The men are not that strong, but the women, oh my God, their numbers. Like, you see... I know, I see what you're saying. Like, in comparison, like a male powerlifter, you know, is gonna be way stronger than a male crossfitter, but a female crossfitter could potentially match

some of the strengths that you see done by females that are drug tested and or they could switch into weightlifting. What's her name? You can check. She bench press 120 kilos. Like that. I forget her name. Sorry. I'm not in CrossFit anymore, but at the last there was a bench press. She bench press 120 kilos. She has a high 300 squats. I know. And she's, I think she's in a 400, low 400 on the deadlift. And she's not big. And by the way, she's very young. So you go like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, are we doing something wrong here?

Yeah, these girls taking steroids at 12 years old. Yeah, it's like, are they Chinese or something? Like, I don't understand what's happening. It's a Chinese system. But so, and then I'm watching my wife, and coming from sprinting, and then she starts with CrossFit,fit and the lifts are going up and then the thing is going up And then I'm like so and then I'm trying to go powerlifting So, you know two sets of five and that didn't work out at all

So I'm switching to E-moms because I know that from CJ and then I see the results in my wife And I'm like I need to train women completely differently volume But also like what would be for us a mind-breaking volume. That thing that's the biggest difference is we can't take it neurologically. They can, actually they thrive on it.

Well, that's my wife. Yeah, some people believe. With 130 kilo, yeah, she's so strong. That's nuts. Yeah, she's ridiculous. Yeah, some people believe that there's like, that men a lot of times, not always, but a lot of times men have,

they're more neurologically efficient. They believe that some women and maybe some undertrained men would be neurologically inefficient. And therefore, if you're neurologically inefficient, you can't like blow your own doors off basically. It's hard for you to blow yourself out in a workout. I would agree and disagree on that.

So I think they're right in the fact that in the face of death, we will do that. Because I think in a way men are expendable in nature. That's our role. I mean, you lose a limb, but you protect your family. So against a bear, we can do it, they cannot, they'll freeze. But in victory, they will be able to go further than us, if that makes sense. So, but the problem is you're not going to test that. You're going to test that in the case of like a bear coming at you. Yes, men will be able to be more neurologically advanced than a woman. But I believe it's because we're not testing the proper things.

If that makes sense. I believe in a winning situation, I think a man will quit before a woman. I just basically mean that a male under normal circumstances can usually flex their muscles harder via the strength and the efficiency of the central nervous system. Oh yeah, okay, so if we look like that, yes, so at higher percentages we're better. But at 90%, they can kill it. They can do reps with 90% where we're good for maybe one or two.

Or maybe let's say four, right? If the guy is not very, very high level, he can do let's say four reps. I've seen women do 10. Cool! At 90%? Yeah, yeah, yeah. not very, very high level, you can do, let's say, four reps. I've seen women do 10. Who? At 90%? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jeez. And not only that, they can recover from that.

Whereas the guy does four reps. I'm dead. Yeah, the guy does four reps. That was cardio, thank you. He's not doing it for a week. No, no, no. Cardio is bad for you, I say it all the time. But four reps is almost there.

She'll do 10 reps, she'll recover in three minutes, she'll do it again, and she'll do eight or nine. It's ridiculous. Mentally, fine. Neurologically speaking, they can take that. But that's true that when we translate to one rep max, not even close. Not even close.

So they don't have that. So what is, yeah. Yeah, and their repetitions that they can do with higher percentages don't match up to their one rep max. I don't know, you cannot convert the same way. Which I think is also one of the problems of the early programs. For women, they were based on main percentages. And you cannot do that.

You know what I mean? So then suddenly they do 20 reps, you convert, and no you don't. No you do not. So it's a... from that aspect, it's a very different way of training women. Wow. So let me ask you this. When trying to figure out a one rep max for women, because like, for example, if somebody did try to do the 90% of whatever, you could be totally off. How would you, how would you actually truthfully find where her one rep max is?

Yeah. So, uh, honestly, me was, I didn't rely on percentages. Like, for example, um, I know based on form, what I mean by that. So I was at first prior when she was doing 160, so a 365 deadlift, right? She could do four, five reps. So we go to 385. What I noticed is her form breakdown and but not right away, it's because he got heavier. So the form didn't break down right away. He broke down around two, three sessions because she adapted to the weight every session. So she started to move forward more because he was too heavy for her in that sense. So I had to back off, got her back to 160, get her have the right form and I could train her there, but not heavier.

Does that make sense? So, and based on those numbers, I knew I could add 20 kilos to the lift, but it's exactly when the form starts to break down, I have to stay below that. So I based it on four more than percentages. So I know, for example, if I make her do 180 for four with a form that I'm looking for, I know she has 210, sorry, 420 in pounds.

I'm in Brazil, so I forget. So right now she has 170 for four, so 385, so I gave her 425 in Brazil, so I forget. So right now she has 170 for four, so 385, so I gave her 425 in competition and she smoked it. So I know she has at least 440. So now when I come back, can I do 180 for three or four without the form breaking down? So we started, she did 365 for two

and she smoked it in France. It was no issue whatsoever. Does that mean she's ready for the 180? That's how I'm gonna gauge. But we're not gonna go past 180 for 100 pounds, no matter what. Gotcha. Because if I go higher than that,

is that like, then she's losing, if that makes sense. Because then she has adapt to the weight. So if you have to adapt to the weight, the weight is winning. Got it. It's interesting when you're able to observe somebody in person versus seeing a video. If you see a video of somebody doing a triple sometimes,

it doesn't really look that bad. You're like, oh, I think you can handle like another set or something like that, but you don't get to see all the nuances of the shake and the shimmy and you don't get all the different angles. And you know, like it's not the same, it doesn't look the same as the last set. The last warmup sets, you go like, ooh, now you, I never want my athletes

to adapt to the weight. Means you're losing. Adapt to it in what way? Your form starts to change. Like, by the way, your mental approach is different. You start to not have the same setup, and now your technique is different. Uh-uh, uh-uh, be back off, we do it again.

It means you're not ready. You peel weight off, or you have move on to something else? No, no, no, peel weight off. No, no, no, I peel weight off. No, no, no, I don't want you to finish on a fail like that. So I'm gonna, oh yeah, that was on 190. I like that. I think that's one of the more courageous moves

someone can make. And I've said it before about super training. When I had a group of, when I had a powerlifting team, some of the strongest things I've ever seen anybody do was actually just take weight off the bar. Cause it takes a lot of courage to do that. And finish out your sets with like, you know, kind of your tail between your legs a little bit. Trusting the coach, trusting the program, right? Knowing that it's going to pay off.

So that's where, that's where she trusts me on this because she's seen the progress. So you might not be able to do that right away with a new athlete, by the way. But for me, the point was no, you didn't lift the weight. Like that's not your form on the sumo, so that's not your sumo. So no, you didn't. You didn't sumo, you did something else, right? You lean forward. It just doesn't matter. That's my coach, Samuel Dwendal, who was a Masters World Champion. He was my coach for five years. And him, if you flinched on the squat, first of all, he tore you a new one and I will hear about it forever. But it's like, you take the weight down and don't you dare flinch.

He was 15 times national champion, twice world champion. In front of me at 70 years old, he did 440 for four reps. He was 165. At 70 years old? In front of me, I have the video somewhere. Over 400 pounds for four reps sumo and he had gorgeous sumo. He had the perfect set of hair. Like the white set of hair like Mexican. I mean like, but he's like super short 160 pounds, but the hair was perfect. And in the meantime, that motherfucker, like at least 400 pounds for 4 reps, perfect form

is 70 years old. He squatted 315 for reps in front of me at 17. Yeah, at 17. Yeah. At his best he benched 365, double bodyweight. Over double at 17. Yeah. At his best, he benched 365, double bodyweight. Over double bodyweight. Yeah. Anyway, so his thing was the squat, right?

And you took it down the same way you took down an empty barbell. You know, like Captain Kirk was saying, and don't you dare flinch. Oh, he was ruthless on that. So otherwise the weight wins. So I took that too hard. He's like, no, no, no, no, no.

Your form is the same always. Otherwise, no. Did that original coach, did he know like the X's and O's? Did he know the technical stuff or he just knew like a particular style and way that he learned? No, it was, no, he just started to train with, uh, oh my God. He wasn't telling you about like torque and torsion and how to twist your feet and move your body. He was all about setup and mindset on the squat. He was like, don't be a pussy, take the weight down, go back up. I was like, I like that simple, easy to remember. I'll do that. Then I got crushed. I was like, he's not working. He's like, yeah, it's you, you're the problem. All right, let me work harder on this then. And that was that every time. And so no, I mean, you know, I just did the stance a bit. He had like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know.

I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know.

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I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know you squat 315, I can't good morning like that. So you probably have a strong back, we can use it. I was like, thank you, sir. By the way, I didn't know who he was. So I have a gym in Pivin, Palos Verdes, and the guy comes in.

Remember those bright yellow sweatshirts from the gold gym, cut out at the neck, with the tank top? Remember those? And of course, obviously the sweatpants. The baggy pants, yeah. And he has a big upper body, but he has no legs. Bum equipment. See if you can find bum equipment. Oh my god.

He has legs. I mean, I don't have legs, but he has less legs than me, which is... I didn't know you could do, so I felt very proud. I felt very comfortable right away. It's like, hey, there's a guy who has less legs than me. So I don't feel offended right away. It's like, I like you already, sir. No, I mean, it's like I can squat a lot. I's like, hey, there's a guy with less legs than me. So I don't feel offended right away. It's like, I like you already, sir.

You know what I mean? It's like, I can squat a lot. I'm like, I have hope. Oh my God. This is amazing. Anyway, so he comes in and I'm like, I can help you with the squat. And I'm like, well, that's good because I need help.

But at the same time, it's like that's all bodybuilder shows up. And I'm like, yes, sir. But my grandmother told me, be respectful to your elders. So I'm like, sir, please show me and everything. He's like, oh no, the bright yellow one, you know, like cut out at the neck, that's his gold gym. Like the, you know, like slightly high on the belly too.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's a different kind of jacket, but that looks cool. It's all school. Look, I like it. I like all school, obviously. So, and he's like, I'm going to help you. That's when he makes, I do a squat. You say, this is a good morning, let me help you. Then he comes back the next

week and every time he's correcting a little bit. I'm like, you seem to be really good at this. By the way, everybody in the gym is like, tell that old bodybuilder to fuck off. I'm like, just be respectful, dude. You don't know, plus he seems to be fairly good. By the fourth session, I'm like, all right, who are you? Because that shit makes a lot of sense and you seem to be really good. Oh yeah, so my name is Sam Alduenda and I was like, I remember his name from somewhere. Yeah, he was a friend with, I suck with him,

one of the greatest American powerlifters of all time. Ed Cohn? No, no, no, not the greatest. One of the greatest, the one right below. He was even about the height of, you know who I'm talking about. I'll just name him. Are you talking about like Franco Colombo maybe?

No, no, no. Like a real powerlifter. Like multi-pound world champion. Oh, shit. It was the same height as Ed Kohn. Bridges? Like Jeff... Yes! Right? Mike Bridges. Mike Bridges.

He was best friend with Mike Bridges. They trained together. Mike Bridges dominated powerlifting for many years. And he was before Ed Kohn. He was lighter than Ed Kohn. And he had the highest total in the history of powerlifting for many years and he was before Ed Cohn. He was lighter than Ed Cohn. And he had the highest total in the history of powerlifting being a guy who weighed like 181 or 198.

Super short by the way. He was stronger than the strongest heavyweight at the time. Yeah, yeah. But his hips is a block. So he was best friend with Sam. So I got to meet him. Nicest guy by the way. He went into CrossFit. He competed at the Cross Again Masters, 45, 50 at the time, whatever he was best friend with Sam. So I got to meet him. Nicest guy, by the way. Nicest guy. He went into CrossFit. He competed at the CrossFit Games Masters, 45, 50 at the time, whatever he was.

So the announcer had no idea who he was. So here he comes, he takes 400 pounds, or 500, and smokes everybody. He's like, oh, that guy can deadlift. I was like, yes, yes, that guy can deadlift. Thank you. Anyway, I thought it was funny. But yeah, he was best friend with Mike Bridges.

So yeah, he trained like, and so I'm like, that's where I knew the name from. And so I Googled him and from 50 to 65, he won the national every year. Then went to worlds and won it twice. He had a 550, so a single player time. At 63 was when he was at his strongest. He had a 550 squat, no, 515 squat,

550 deadlift, and 365 bench. So, and he could bench press 330 raw, which is crazy. Right, at 63. How did you end up becoming like, what's your story? How'd you become like this sophisticated coach? Because you got the tattoos, and you told us about how long you've been doing jiu-jitsu for.

Since the 90s, by the way, guys. I don't know if that was mentioned. Yeah, since the 90s. First, I'm 47. Let's all agree on that. I identify as a 47 for the last three years. I'm allowed to do that now, so I'm very happy. But I think it's interesting because you're somebody that seems like a practical in-person

coach that has worked with a lot of people, but you're also like in a lab, like running tests at UCLA to try to figure out like lactate and thresholds and all these other things. Actually, autism and PTSD, Bill, I don't know. And a lot of that stuff as well. Lactate, I do it on the side just for fun, but it's because I'm very autistic, that's why.

But I'll explain. But I grew up in sports. So I was at a, I've been at a national level at sports since I'm nine years old, I think. I started with soccer. Yeah. I was supposed to go to the European Cup of 10 year olds. Believe it or not.

Yeah. Then I went into swimming, became state champion in that. I did like all sports. I was always into sports. I found that I was better at coaching than competing actually. I found that through Jiu-Jitsu. But I was always in sport, that's all I wanted to do. And so I went into that and it turned out also,

so on one side was that, on the other side, you have to understand, I finished reading Freud, like all of his work by the time I was 17. Holy shit. So I read like Nietzsche by the time I was 19. I was always into that, so I read all Nietzsche by the time I was 19. I was always into that. So I read all the classics very early. I read a lot.

So, but that's my, that's the autism part. What made you attracted to that, you think? Attracted to that kind of literature. Right, so pattern-based. So you know what a savant is? Right, so most people think a savant will look at something and figure out patterns. Actually, it's a bit more complex than that. The key is you're very good at finishing incomplete patterns. Does that make sense? Right. So critical thinking becomes a very important

part of that. So you can start to put the patterns together to get better at what is it that you do intrinsically. So what interested me from the beginning was the critical thinking. So I read all the Greeks, the Romans, Seneca, by the time I was 15, because there was a, it was the right way to deal with patterns. I wish I was keen to that stuff when I was that young. I don't know if I would have read it though. I also had my grandmother who just taught me to read, not, you know, ABC, but like taught me to read, read like from a very early age and everything.

So it was a mix of me being naturally attracted to that and having my grandmother, my family in the back, help me. It was very classical education because that's when you come from a certain family, that's what you do. So the two together was the thing, but my stuff was sports first always. So I went into athletics, I started Jiu-Jitsu, I did all that. And I found coaching, moved to the US, and found like strength balls, like strongman. I'm not good at powerlifting, but I was pretty good at strongman. But in the back of my mind was always the other stuff that just I kept reading, I kept studying,

because that's what I do all the time. So I'm on the Saban side. So the different types of autism. You have the Asperger, what they used to call Asperger, you have the Saban type, it's complex. But most people see autism as what they call ASD, the disorder part.

But there's also a learning process. There's a function to autism. What you see at ASD is a syndrome applied to a function. Any function taken too far is a disorder. Hunger, thirst, whatever. If you take it too far, it becomes a disorder. The problem is that autism is first a function, but you don't necessarily see it because Elon Musk, people like that, they have a keen eye for specific patterns. So it's a learning behavior that

is slightly different, right? And taken too far can lead to very dark places. That's what you see with ASD and all that stuff. But at first it's a specific learning behavior. So mine is to, I'm very good at visuals, so I can put everything in shape and I'm very good with letters. So I get to do both. So I take studies, then I'll put them into a shape and then I'll figure out the incomplete pattern.

Then I put it in the mental palace in my third room stored somewhere and I can always access it. What's the bad part? So for you, you just have a mental palace by the way. We're skipping over that. You said you put that into a mental palace

and you can just retrieve that. So, it's called, the Greeks call that the mnemonic palace where that's how they went into library that they created mentally to take things to remember. Have you ever seen the people that compete in memory games? Yes. And you know, they build stories like the Sasquatch as a tell. Okay, so me it's a slightly different thing. So I have, there's a palace. So I enter, there's a wooden door, right? And I'm going to take the stairs on the left. Doesn't have to make sense. That's just

the way it is. So you have to get to a stage where you can feel the door in your fingers when you open the door. So the door, is it wood, metal, is it wood? What the handle, how is the handle? So all this you start to create, right? Then I take the stairs on the left and there are different rooms there. The third room is where I store specific things. The first one is where I study in the way. And I have a room where when there's a problem I can't figure out, I write it on the board and I let it there until it's solved. And then when I come back at some point, it's solved. I just have to read it. So I don't know where it is.

I just know it's there. And how old- I'm not gonna ask about the shed in the basement. Yeah, no. But curious, how old were you when you like first off realized that that was a way of doing things? Or did you learn that you could do things like that? No, it was always there.

It was always there? Yeah, that's how I learned. Okay. That's how I learned. I can't remember shit. I suck with names, my dating memory is horrible. But I remember, I don't remember every study I read, I just know the study, it's very hard to explain.

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Oh, so there's a very famous guy in that world that studies out of Canada, out of Montreal. And he wrote entire things on, for example, the standard on the savant. And he had a great paper on that and the purpose, the function of autism. And he was explaining what a savant is. Every single thing he was lining up, I was like, ooh, imprinting at eight among specific things.

What's your good at versus not? How this works? So for example, there's a key sign of a difference between a savant and a genius. A genius is Albert Einstein. He had an idea, he proved it to mass, tak tak tak tak tak, went like this. A savant is Ramanujan.

God, I wish I could talk like you. The accent? The French accent? He works with women, I gotta tell you. How do you think it's working on me? Yeah, how do you think I got that one? You work really well. By the way, I lie, I'm from Detroit. But it works so well with women that I keep the French accent, so now I can't lose it.

That's all. Eight Mile, you must know that well. I watched it many times. Anyway. Oh yeah, so, Ramanujan was the Indian guy. I don't know if you know the story. I don't. Did you see Good Will Hunting?

Yes, I have. It's based on that. Anyway, so Ramanujan is an Indian guy who, when he was young, found a high school level of mathematics book, right? And he reads that and he composes 300 theorems of mathematics, right? His thing was prime numbers. And then he sends it to, I think it was Oxford, Cambridge? Okay? I think Oxford, anyway. We're talking 19th century and the guy reads it and first of all, half of those theorems already exists.

So the guy basically, yeah. And then the other 150 is like, what the fuck is that? Through his life, he composed about 3,000 of them, less than 10% were wrong. I think less than 1% were wrong of his stuff. So to this day, we're still trying to prove some of them. Anyway, the guy sees him and goes like, brings him from India to England,

and makes him work with him and everything. And they compose some gorgeous theorems of mostly prime numbers. But when he was asked, how do you get to that answer, it said that his local deity gave him the answer. So that's a hallmark of savants. They cannot tell you how they get to an answer. They just know it.

So I understand what he means by a deity, because I always know when I'm right. There's a feeling. And like, oh, that's correct. A right pattern gives me a specific feeling. Like, I know I'm right. But prove it. I was like, no, it's...

Look, so I'll... Yeah, I can, but I'll take five studies, put them in front of you. So look, that one says that that one stays this, he connects. And then if you connect this to that one, that you connect to this, that you connect to that, you get me and then see, I'm right. And you go like, what the fuck you mean? No, I swear. So I, so I have the time is that. So how did I end up at UCLA? Because we have a gym with my partner in LA, where I created a system for the nervous system and everything.

And he asked me to apply it to autism. I was like, yeah, I know autism very well, obviously. So I was like, all right, let me apply it to this. And then we developed an entire system of training resilience in those kids. Nervous system resilience in order to have a better handle on the symptoms of autism, which is really the issue. So ASD, the problem is a disorder.

So how do you help with the disorder? You help with the symptoms of the disorder. Aggressive behavior, interoception is a problem. Anyway, there's a bunch of things like that. So I applied the system and one of his clients was Dr. Nasser Amadi, who's a very famous child psychiatrist at UCLA. His daughter is autistic. So he comes and he goes like, all right,

you had better results to your stuff than I did, than UCLA did with my daughter. Why? You have to understand UCLA is a leading center for autism in the world to this day. ABA, the number one behavioral therapy was created at UCLA. So, and so, and he's there and we do better than, so he's like, all right, why?

I don't understand. So he's like, all right, you need to talk to my partner Julian. So I come to LA, I meet him and we're talking basically psychiatrists. I wanted to be a psychiatrist. I just couldn't, I suck at school for obvious reasons. And so I couldn't go through the med school system. So I just studied on my side, just to do it myself. So then we start talking. It's like, oh, we need to work together. And so I started to explain my theories about where autism was and everything. And from there it was like, it's funny because I

do the same thing you do, but me from the world's perspective. I build resilience through what is called positive reinforcement, where I was doing it through movement to affect the nervous system. But obviously he's doing it from the other side. And so we started to work together. I was like, all right, so let's have a study and prove that this works. So we did a proof of concept study already last year and the results on the parasympathetic ratio on PTSD was off the hook. So on PTSD, not on autism. But he applies in a way the same way. It's the same idea applied slightly differently. But if you go first principles, the originals,

like all principles can be applied to everything. We just applied it to PTSD and autism. And we saw on PTSD, stuff where you go like, you don't go like with this, this is a cognitive behavior therapy. We can create out of that for psychiatry, not for fitness, for psychiatry. And so then the studies we're doing right now

is to create a new cognitive behavior therapy that could be applied by psychiatrists. So where this is interesting is this would be the first time psychiatrists don't look at us like morons, like we retarded, and actually understand that we can work together because through exercise and control of variables, we can affect the nervous system in a way that does not have to rely on drugs. We all know exercise works on depression, just as works as drugs, but we can't work

together. This would be the first time actually we have the psychiatry side on one side and the movement on the other in order to influence the resilience of the nervous system, which is where most symptoms fail. You met anxious people. An anxious person will always be anxious. That's okay. That's, and you don't have, this is good.

It can drive you to do more on everything. But the real problem is when they start crashing from that, falling into depression, falling into panic attacks. But the problem is not the anxiety, the anxiety has a function. It prepares you for the future. You're never anxious about things in the past, only the future.

So it prepares you for something. But when you fall into panic attack, that's a problem. So really what happened is life gave you a six and your answer was a 12. Right? So I don't want, if life gave you a six, I want a six. I can have a seven, but I want to start to have nine. By the way, it's not a two either. That would be depression. Right? So the key is like, all right, so how do we work at a six when life gives me a six? That's an, so the problem is not because you cannot change the world, right? Is your answer to the stress, but that can be, that's resilience. Resilience is seven times down, eight times up.

So life gives me a six. I give a six, I give an eight. I have to learn to come back to a six. I give a four. I have to learn to come back to a six. So every time I need to get back up and my reaction has to adjust to what the world is giving me. Too many people look inside and go, I am there.

It's like, yeah, but I don't care. Life is six. These numbers that you're pulling out, are you saying like they're out of 10? Yes. Basically. And if somebody is like always trying to have a 10, that might cause anxiety too, right?

It will be anxiety because like, what if life gives you two, you still give me a 10, right? So you're always in an expenditure of energy that has no justification. Remember your system can see the outside. So your system knows there is no need for that 10. You wanted to go for a bike ride and it's pouring rain outside.

It kind of changes the mood, right? It changes. Exactly, but then you start freaking out because you're like, yeah, but I don't want it to be raining. So now you're in full-blown panic attacks. You go like, yeah, six, it's raining. But by the way, it's not that bad either.

Anyway, so the problem is a reaction to the stress. So what I mean by that is you get into an altercation and some people, by being at 10 all the time, now to think it's a bear coming at them. But it's not, we're just talking. Just relax for a second. So now, once you do that, every response is a 10. So that means that the door isn't closed properly. You give me a 10.

Imagine the amount of energy you're spending. At some point or another, the system is gonna go like, we cannot sustain that amount of energy spent out of every single thing in life. So you know what the system will go down? It will shut down everything. And now you're in a freeze mode, depression. That's a polyvagal theory.

Does that make sense? Yes. Right, so it's always like, you have in a freeze mode, depression. That's a polyvagal theory. Does that make sense? Yes. Right. So it's always like, you have to remember that the environment exists. So it's a prediction versus observation model. I would have to go into Carl Freeston. So we're going into much more advanced things, but it's, it's always prediction versus observation. It's what you think is going to happen versus what the world tells you is happening. And there's always a gap between the two. And the point of the system is to make that gap as small as possible so you get better on predicting what's coming next, which is a learning system, which is a defense mechanism.

So I'm curious, like when it comes to, you know, you're working with some of these individuals and everybody has a different level that they deal with things, right? But what does it look like? Does it look like do they do certain types of exercises to prepare themselves for the day? Do they do things when something happens? So, all right, so I need to backtrack a little bit and explain what the system is.

Okay. So we can go as deep into this as you guys want. It's fairly complex. So I have to... Don't kill me out there. I'm going to have to oversimplify a little bit. Okay. If it gets boring, tell me kill me out there. I'm going to have to oversimplify a little bit. Okay. If it gets boring, tell me. Because I get, I get launched into those things.

And like, if my wife was here, you would look at her face. She'd be like, oh my God, here it goes again. That's her life. Six in the morning, I get my coffee. Honey, I thought about something. So, and when she hears, so, she's like, oh shit. And you know what I noticed now? She shuts down for the whatever 10 minutes I'm gonna talk

and she wakes up for the last 30 seconds and she goes, so you said that word that she repeats the last three words and I think she was listening so I'm all happy. And she does that, I've noticed. And I'm like, you're getting smart. She's like, no, I just know how to win. You know what I mean? Like women know how to win.

Anyway. I don't know how old you said you were because I mean? Women know how to win. Anyway. I don't know how old you said you were, because you said you were 47 for the last couple of years, but your wife certainly isn't 47. So congratulations on that. Thank you. And she's hot too. French accent, I'm just saying.

That's what I was implying. Guys, if you want to know how to do it, just text me. You were talking about how gorgeous she was when she came through. I was like, she looks like a model. Fuckin' A. For a strong. Yeah. Fuckin' A. For a strong one too. Great job.

So I have an alpha male camp for 14,000 a month. Like... That's how I'm gonna make money. Anyway, longer story. So there's a guy named Carl Frieston, who's one of the greatest genius we have that no one knows about, amazingly. In 2007, he come out with something

called the free energy principle. It's an extremely important part of literature because what he was saying is life is predictive, not reactive. So this is important. We used to think the brain basically was just capturing data, analyzing it and reacting based on that. Turns out that's not how this works.

It's the system and it can be a cell all the way to a human being, we'll predict what happens next. Temperature of the room, wind, whatever happens. We're talking milliseconds, by the way, all the way to hours, but even on the millisecond level. So this is why when you sit up, you can stand up and not pass out.

Because there was a prediction based on the blood pressure that you need to maintain. So the body does that continuously every tenth of a millisecond. So the body is always predictive, turns out for everything. So we saw that on the cell level. And the free energy principle is actually as a mathematical equation as to life does that, that obeys the laws of probability mathematics. So that means that you're like a cell basically, the membrane of the cell is like a Markov blanket, which means the world knows about the cell through the membrane and the cell knows about the world through the membrane.

So it's an exchange of information between the membrane and the world that defines that. So but there's always a prediction made versus an observation, which is, I get data from the environment. Right. So there's always a gap between those two. Right. So that's called a somatic error. Right.

The body, the point of the learning system is to make that somatic error smaller. Why? Because you get better at surviving. And then through evolution, every time the system gets stronger and stronger and better and better and better. Right. So once you try to fix that error, that's called a prior. It's like a memory of an event that you try to keep inside so that you can use what you learned from prior for the next one. So that's why they call it a prior. Right. So the idea with autism is that that prior is very small. There's less weight associated with the memory of the previous event. That makes sense. So that's called a hypo prior.

Schizophrenia would be a hyper prior, which means you put a lot of weight based on what happens next. So if you were to push that system, you could actually end up with a positive symptom where you think George V told you to go hunt dragons because you build up upon the memory upon the memory and now you start to create an interlateral delusional system. So not to get complicated but basically the autism would be the opposite of schizophrenia. That's another thing I'm working on anyway. So that means that autism, most of the weight would be based based on data collection, on the observation part. Right, so imagine if you have a nervous system

that is really, really good at gathering data. That it'd be very easy to overwhelm. So texture would be a problem. Because now if I have the wrong texture, it's yelling at me, screaming in my ear, look, look, look, look, to the point where you can't do anything else. So that's a problem.

That's too much energy spent. Smell. And you go on and on and on and on like that. So that means that I would have to build a resiliency of your capacity to handle data in order for that not to intervene into your own reactions. So that's what the system was based on. So what I do is I'm gonna make them push the system through training a specific way so that they learn to get back up whenever they fall.

Because otherwise any stress happens they freak out and they have a very physical reaction. They are very low impulse control because the prediction system is so weak. Now in terms of building resiliency in terms of like what other people may do do other people do things outside of exercise to try to build resiliency? That's always the key. But there's issues with, so since you're on the, for example, there's a low oxytocin level and I think higher basopressin level with autism, things like that. So it seems almost like it's a, you know, like these types of humans and autism is a type.

Those are things associated with that. And socialization is always a massive issue within autism. But that's also, look at it this way. If you wanted to be really good at one thing, you would have a system that allows you to focus on one thing 16 hours a day. And I'm sorry, but bitches are a distraction. So right. So, right. So, using what we see with autism is usually they have one mate for life.

If they hook, they hook very, very strong, but it's not their family. It's always an outside source, which would make more sense. Right. So you see people that are low on socialization that can be really good at one thing. And so the corners at Google, where they can just do that shit for 16 hours a day. And by the way, they love it. Right. So in a society that imposes other things, you could see how we could get overwhelming very fast. So you see those kids with one t-shirt, one type of food that they eat, they get really good at one thing and that's all they do.

Right. You can understand socially that's going to cause issues, right? So, and they are very low impulse control. So the exercise is just to teach them resiliency, right? But you try to do that with languages, you try to do that with other things. I find exercises to be the best because I can, not attack, but I can go at the system directly. Yeah.

Without having social problem in the middle. Every time you go through socialization, you're hitting a wall. So if you start to teach, try to teach them words, it's like, why? So abstract is a problem with autism. So when I train them, I have to have what I call a waist scale, which is a low weight bearing on the scale on the on the spine, low skill, low eccentric so that I can push the intensity. Because the second something gets in the way and the abstract level. So what is the best way a sled? You know what I mean?

There's nothing abstract with the sled. If I say 15 reps on the squat, I quit at 14, I've reached failure at 14. Did I win or lose? It probably feels like you lost. Well, no matter what you're asking the question, now you lost the intensity already. Whereas a sled, there's a distance. I just tell them reach that spot and then they can reach 100% intensity, which allows me to build resilience. Whereas if I say five reps, so instead of doing five reps, I put chairs and I make them squat in each chair one time. So then they just sit down, just go back up. And I do that five times and then they can achieve intensity. Otherwise the mind always

gets in the way. So that's how I build resilience on the nervous system. And so once they get better at handling the data, they'll have lesser reactions to that overwhelming feeling. So for example, we see less physical episodes with their parents, something you see a lot, unfortunately, things like that. So we're dealing at a disorder in the sense of by building resiliency, we see less bad,

whatever that means, episodes. And so training is the best way to do it. Is there a way to, I'll say, get reps in for somebody, like let's say an event happens that requires a four, a five, but they always come in at a 10. Is there anything that somebody that is continuously doing that? Is there something that like you've been able to help guys to say, Hey, this is a four, this requires four energy.

Great question. Yes. And that's what I call the Q minus one. So the Q minus one was quit minus one. So what we do is we'll go and do that for the PTSD a lot. We'll go on the air down and you guys can try if you want. And we're going to go at a certain number where you start, you know that moment where you go like, if I do 10 minutes of that, this is going to hurt, right? So your mind starts to go into that other phase, right?

I call that the quit phase when the voice is telling you, dude, I ain't going to work. Like, okay. So then you have two ways of answering that. You can go like, cocaine, let's do this, right? Or you kind of shut down and you go slower than that. Right. So I call that the cue. We're gonna go right below that. Right under that voice and you're gonna stay there.

And within three, four minutes, you're gonna have to deal with the mid-level stress that you don't know how to react to. So that's a life giving you a 6. I'm going to put the stop at 6 and I'm going to make you stay at that number. Instead of 3 minutes in, 6 minutes in or 8 minutes in, you're going to have a reaction. The question is, are you going up or down? If you go up, you're anxious.

If you go down, you're more depressed. But I'm going to ask you to stay at the same number and ask and spend the least amount of energy possible staying at that number. I'm training your nervous system to answer with a six to a six. The good news is once you're there, your mental and your physical are at the same level of stress, so now they can talk to each other. So now you're dealing with your own stuff. So we can let the Q minus one.

It's one of the main weapons that I have. Am I incorrect in assuming that this is also where kind of like an individual's ability to tolerate lactate comes in? Lactate is a bit higher than that. Because we are right below that. Because lactate is, we're gonna see that lactate also is produced whenever that voice start talking.

That's when the lactate is gonna go up. So as you push that voice further or higher number, you'll see that the lactate will take longer to go up. They tell you it's a physiological reaction because you're being trained physically, which is true partly, but I also think it's teaching the nervous system to delay that moment where you need that extra energy.

Yeah, because if you were to tell me, hey, like, let's just jump on the assault bike, like, oh, what are we gonna do? Like, oh, just get on there. All right, cool. But then if you were to say, we're gonna be on here do? Like, I'll just get on there. I'll be, all right, cool. But then if you were to say, we're gonna be on here for 15 minutes, I would already start trying to figure out

how to get out of it. Right, exactly. But so that's where I'm gonna keep you. So you can do 15 minutes if I put you at a 10 RPM. Yeah? I mean, yeah. Right, okay, what about 12? Yeah. Is that too fast?

I don't know. I can't even compute that, what that would even look like. 12 RPM is really slow, right? You're barely moving. Can you sit on it for 15 minutes and not do anything? So let's go move very slowly. You can do that. So let's keep going until we find that moment where we're like, dude, I'm freaking out.

We go under that, and now we're going to stay there. That's exposure therapy. That's awesome. But from a physical perspective. It's kind of like what I've been doing with the eight minute run. You know, I'll just go out and do an eight minute run. There's no warm up. There's no real expectation, but more often than not, I get midway through it. I get past the warm up phase. I get past the conversation. Right. And once I get past that little conversation of like, should you quit?

Should you do something different for today? I ride out the last couple of minutes. It's not that bad. It's done. And my mood is completely different. Everything's flipped upside down. You're at eight minutes. I told you it's three, six or eight.

Yeah. Everybody's the same way. It's three, six or eight. So some people do that at three, some do it at six, some do it at eight. It's funny, you see it all the time. So we're on eight, I'm on eight as well, by the way. Yeah, and a three minute, like if you,

again, if you just said to Andrew, said, you know, do 300 watts for three minutes or something like that. It's gonna be a little challenging, but it's not gonna be awful. But it doesn't matter. We're gonna go until we see the reaction. Right. And so after a while, you'll know.

By the way, that's one of the things we... So he might hit three minutes, he might say, hey, we gotta go three more minutes, because you didn't get the response that you looked for. Right, I need long enough to create that response, but then teach him not to quit. Because the problem is not the quitting, the problem is you learn to answer way too high.

So that's a panic attack you're getting yourself. Right. So we're gonna go right below, so you're never there, but I'm still gonna make it uncomfortable. So what you're gonna learn is to give me a six, when I give you a six instead of giving me a 12. This is what Crossfitters are great at right? Like top elite level Crossfitters they're great at like you know there's this long effort and they're great at pacing themselves through that effort. They know exactly the number and stuff like that and so but it can be very uncomfortable mentally. That's why right away you're like I I can't do that. No, you can. We just have to do it correctly.

But the key is to teach you resilience. Right? So it can't be too low because then it's weak, it doesn't do anything. But it can't be too high because then you have a panic attack. So it's a bit like a vaccine, right? Vaccine is too weak, you don't get anything. It's too strong, you get sick. Depending on the vaccine. Anyway, the... I'm not going there.

I'm not going there. I'm not going... You can keep your podcast for now. So it's Jordan Peterson who had people that could not go to a party. So he was teaching them to shake hands. Why? Because going to a party is way too much. Right. So you're okay. So how do you go to a party anyway? You're going to have to introduce yourself. All right. So that's a problem. So how do you introduce yourself? What are you going to learn to shake hands? Because otherwise other men are going to judge you. All right, so that's a problem. So how do you introduce yourself? What are you gonna have to learn to shake hands? Because otherwise other men are gonna judge you.

All right, so first you're gonna shake my hand and I'm gonna teach you to, and then you're gonna build confidence from there, and then from there you're gonna go to a party, shake one hand and leave. And then, so it's called exposure therapy, which is by the way, cool linear progression. Atomic Habits, the book that we reference all the time, the guy mentions like, you know,

Hey, just to go on a walk, you have a lot of anxiety about going outside. You've been depressed for a long time. He's like, maybe all you do for that day is put your shoes on and literally walk outside and then walk your ass back inside, take the shoes off. And that's day one. It's exposure therapy 101. It's the best way to do, everything is exposure therapy,

whether it's training, I don't care what it is you do, it's exposure therapy. Problem is like the 12 means you just jumped in it. I'm gonna do 10 minutes. Yeah, but not at 62 RPM, you're gonna do maybe at 42. They're like, I can do that, that's easy.

All right, why don't we do that? And then either three, six or eight, there's gonna be a reaction. That reaction tells you if you're anxious or more on the depressed side. And I want you to not agree with that reaction and go back to a six. Because guess what? Life is a six or whatever it is. But that's what you're going to base your reaction on, on your environment. Because remember, it's prediction versus observation.

It's not... If you stay based on prediction, you're in a schizophrenic type disorder. What I want you is to answer to the environment. Because so best is you but it's also where are you so you know, there is no truth without context. Right? That's what you see, right? You see conversations on YouTube that are always out of context, then you can say whatever the fuck you want. Right? But if you're within a context, so people say you can measure happy. That's not true. We do it in neuroscience all the time. But what are you happy about? Your spouse, your training, that we can measure. We can see the signs and everything. But when

you say, are you happy? Doesn't make sense because there's no context. So there is no emotion. There is no system without context. There is no truth without context. That's epistemology 101. So what is the context? You always have to answer to without context. There is no truth without context. That's epistemology 101. So what is the context? You always have to answer to a context. There is nothing exists in the human system without context. No emotion, nothing.

So every time we're gonna put it back into context. So I'm creating the context with the airline of a stress. So I want your physical stress to equal your mental stress. So even if you're stressed out there, I might push it, but I want the two to be able to equal your mental stress. So even if you're stressed out that day, I might push it. But I want the two to be able to communicate with each other. Cause remember, if everything is prediction observation,

for the somatic to be low, they have to be matching. So that probably, we see that that's the only moment where you can actually deal with your own anxiety is when the two are matching. So you mentioned helping people with PCSD and autism through some of these endurance movements, but you're also doing it with like power lifts and strength stuff as well, explosive.

Always, so it's not a power lift thing because there's too much skill involved, but I use a sled a lot. So for example, I make them pull a rope because I need it to have a beginning and an end, not based on reps. So I find that carries work better. So we make them do sandbag carries.

Like this, I think it's on my Instagram, we have one of the kids who carried like a 200 pound sandbag. So for example, with autism, they cannot jump. There's a problem with eccentric and loading. And we had one of the kid doing like a 30 inches jump, which is totally not possible. And so that took forever, but we get there. Yeah, it's a problem with eccentric.

That's actually one of the biggest. Yeah, we had a kid in our gym that we had for a few years And he was he ended up working, you know working up to be able to jump and it was like his favorite thing to do Yeah, it's very hard. He ended up he ended up really liking a lot, but he did a lot of sled work. Yeah We tried to have him squat and stuff and it was like the skill from one rep to the next and then from one week To the next it was like okay, that's not working. But you see on the sled, right away it's like, I get it. Because there's a visual component to it where the system is like, he stays, I come here, he makes sense.

And he could feel it, and then he could understand. Most of my work is on the sled, even me. That's why I don't do well with powerlifting. Do you think that for some of these individuals, it's like, do you think it's helping with the connectivity or the activity to the brain or something in some way? Yes, because I think- Like communication to the brain? Look at it this way, this is the only thing

that makes sense. You know, there's a line, I crossed it, that makes sense. Yeah, there's the quote, pain is the only thing that's real, right? So maybe this feel, this weight, or however you want to word it. And you know what works really well is a sandbag, because there's a connection to the body.

So remember, like a lot of people can train through their head. By definition, in autism, you have to train through your body. So you have to feel the weight, you have to feel the thing. So when they have a sandbag here, the connection to the thing seems to work better.

A sled, you can see it, you push it, you know where it goes. It makes sense, right? So the system can push. And so the reason I make them do that is because I need you to sometimes to get to a 10, so you learn to come back from it. Because otherwise when life gives you a 10, you can't give me an answer. So remember, we're talking about autistic kids are being down-regulated all day, every day, and usually through drugs. Right. Yeah. So they never go up. So what happens when life gives them a rub? Then they blow a casket.

I see. So like there are so many times over and over again, their behavior is like, you know, quote unquote wrong or inappropriate for a lot of the moments that they're dealing with at the time. And what if... Okay, so let me introduce an idea, right? This I haven't proven yet, because that's gonna be one of the testing I'm gonna do. So you guys know about oxytocin. Yeah, explain it. Right, so oxytocin is a hormone, right?

That is basically a social bonding agent, right? How do you produce it during sexual orgasm and for example, breastfeeding? Right. So how does that work for men? How do we connect between men? I'm just saying that's kind of an issue, right? Don't look at me like that. I have a French accent, but don't look at me like that.

I'm married. Sorry. Autism is mostly... It's very low on oxytocin. It's mostly men though, right? Yes. So we're going to get to that. So look at male bonding, right?

And so there is something called vasopressin, vasopressin, vasopressin, whatever, which is very close to oxytocin. It's almost two amino acids, but it's basically the same molecule. But vasopressin is released during physical stress. So we saw that mostly in rodents so far, even though I want to test it,

where it seems to be gender based. So it seems that oxytocin would be women based, men will be pasopressin based. So that means that male bonding would be done through physical stress, army, training, jujitsu, all that stuff, right? That would make sense. Right. So now there was also, that's another thing. There was also an idea that autism was the

epigenetic expression of the male genes, of the masculine side, schizophrenia of the female side. Right, so that means that if you go that way, that would mean that autism and vasopressin are linked, but then, for example, oxytocin would be very low on the autism side, which is exactly what we see. Okay, but vasopressin would be the social bonding agent. Right, that is exactly what we see. Okay, but Vaso Prasin would be the social bonding agent. Right, that is created during physical stress. So what do you think happens

when you down-regulate all the time? You have no social bonding. So then you would create more problem out of that. So what we saw is when we train them hard, at the end of the session, they are more receptive to IQs, to social connection and things like this.

But that's exactly the opposite on how we deal with kids. We don't let them be physically violent, obviously, especially with the moms and everything. But what if it's just a way of communicating? Because they're being drugged out of their mind. SSRIs we know can create, by the way, funny things, SSRI can create a syndrome on overproduction of vasopressin. Okay. Interesting.

So I mean, SSRI plus CrossFit, you could get panic attacks, which I've seen many times. Anyway, so imagine what those kids go through, either through drugs or being downregulated in school, not mixed with other kids because they're so afraid of their physical reaction. But the physical reaction might just be an attempt to communicate. Albeit incorrect in society, it might be based on physical things. So I think by allowing them to go to a tent, at least that's what we see, this finally went to their world. So a lot of stuff that I want to measure.

So that's going to be in August. We do the blood test and I might be able to get the vaso pressed in because I'm pretty sure it's there but now we have to... Are you seeing changes in their behavior? Or seeing like some of these kids, especially when it comes to like particular foods, are they starting to be more open to newer foods? What we saw is we have a kid, Sam, the one who jumped the 30 inches went from 15 drugs a day to six. That's what we saw is we have a kid, Sam, the one who jumped the 30 inches went from 15 drugs a day to six.

That's what we see. Yeah, we see less aggression. So we see less behaviors when they, fortunately, sometimes you see the kids beating up their moms or stuff like that, like chasing them around the bed. And by the way, some of them, you know, the nonverbal, but they can still type and they express that they cannot control that. They feel so bad about it, but they have no control over it. I mean, that must be terrifying, but they'll chase them all around the bed for like five minutes.

Yeah, and sometimes we had moms coming with bruises and stuff, so we saw lessening of that, of those behaviors. So greater resiliency, the capacity to deal with bad events, shit happens, man. And so yeah, we saw also on the texture, they can take it a little bit better. There's less steaming.

Like they have very specific behaviors. By the way, we still don't know what the disorder is from. We know it happens, but we can't tell you why. There's such a wide spectrum of it. Sometimes some kids just won't talk, but then there's kids that every day when their parents try to feed them, the kids choke, they throw their food, they hit.

A lot of times it's texture. It's because the parents want to, oh, you need protein. Yeah, but it's not the protein. It's that particular food might be like eating broken glass to them. Or like a T-shirt, it has to be a specific feel because otherwise someone is stabbing you all day

with that T-shirt. How long do you, especially if it's a young kid, how long do you expect him to keep it on? So they don't understand where it comes from. So it's like, oh, you just don't want to. It's like, no, it might actually be extremely overwhelming from a nervous system perspective, right? But so you have a lot of, by the way,

one of the reasons with that too is, we don't even know what autism is. So I explain it as a function, but if you look what they call autism, it's usually the disorder they're talking about. And even that, there is no way to test it outside of behavior. So they'll tell you they like the round pattern thing. Right, but an asperger, what they used to call an asperger, is not a savant. It's completely different.

Yeah, right. So then what is autism then? They can't even answer that. So I remember, I think it was on Uberman, like they had that lady saying, yeah, they explained to you that the test of autism, they're all behavior-based. All right, but then how you know it's autism?

Because you're not going to tell me anxiety is just autism. But they look at circular object. It's like, yeah, but that doesn't mean it's a disorder because I do that as well. So what? As a kid, I loved that. Oh my God, this is amazing. Right, but that didn't mean,

fine, it made me suck in school, but it didn't make me, you see what I mean? So we still haven't even developed, okay, what are the tests for autism? Because we still can't, it's UCLA, because they wanted to categorize something and they put it under the word autism. But I bet you like a third of it does not fit

into the same category as the other ones. There's a lot of stuff that falls into that that is probably, and I think that's the problem. That's what like RFK with the debate about the vaccines and stuff like that. It may be that the kid was autistic and then something created a reaction and that reaction is a disorder, but you're not, they didn't get autistic. They already were there. Just a disorder showed up out of maybe pollution or whatever it is. So the debate is far more complex

than they make it out to be. They tell you like autism is this and that. It's like, that's not true. We just don't know. And they hate saying that. And plus you get to sell a lot of drugs. But autism is kind of a stepchild of psychiatry. They put it on the corner and we're dealing it, yeah,

whatever. So that's what we're trying to do with Dr. Nasser is to try to go add resilience to better the symptoms. Because that's step one. I'm curious, just from your personal experience, you've dealt with this your whole life. Did you ever have to use medication? No.

No? No, but I had really, I could have because I had really dark moments. Around 18, it was really bad. Everything was super overwhelming and I could not put a finger on it. So at 18, it was really bad. Everything was super overwhelming and I could not put a finger on it. So at 18 it was really hard. I mean, I had my own way of fixing it that I would not,

like I took an entire box of amphetamines, like 24 of them, and then I went walking and I was like, either by the end of that walk I feel correct or I jump. Wow. So I walked by the bridge, but I was dead set. I was like, either I fix the issue or I jump. So I walked by the bridge, but I was dead set. I was like, either I fix the issue or I jump. So I went to jump and it went click,

I figure it out and then I was fine. I don't do it. That's not a good way of doing it. But my brother couldn't make it. Was he also? Yeah. Wow. It was obvious, he didn't make it.

No, so yeah, it gets very overwhelming. He gets better over time. You just, also you don't understanding what's happening. And was your brother, he was autistic? Most likely, yeah. He was, he was- Maybe bipolar? No, no.

It's very destructive, but his mother, he was my half brother, his mother was worse than mine, which is very hard to do. But my father knew how to pick them. So his mother was even was worse than mine, which is very hard to do. But my father knew how to pick them. So his mother was even more abusive than mine, which is amazing. But he was excessively good at letters. So he's the one who made me read Nietzsche and all that stuff. He was the brightest, sharpest mind I've ever met. Way past me on this.

But it's just the snake bit his own tail basically. So he had finished Karl Marx by 13. Yeah, so he was at 14, he was talking to the local chapter of the communist party and explained to them what Karl Marx meant, which I thought was hilarious. He was way older than me, but drugs, alcoholism, the whole thing, and then by 40, he was done. Did you find it interesting that Nietzsche

like had his own set of problems? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sapon usually will... So many things, yeah. Yeah, so many things that he explained ended up being kind of his own demise, I guess. Yeah, but plus at the end he was, what was this, was it Cephalis at the end? I can't remember. When he wrote, but he wrote like the Spagg Zarathustra in three weeks, which is absurd. Yeah, but at the end, like his mind was just running. Yeah, I find that so interesting.

And then Jordan Peterson, who studied a lot of his work, ended up with similar issues after learning a lot, you know. Yeah, always, that's why he studied it in the first place. Yeah, right, right, right. Which I think why I was, I was so captivated. The Spock Zarathustra, I read, I was 16 or 17, and I felt that book was written for me at that time. It was a lifesaver in a way,

but it also probably put me into that direction full blown. But yeah, well, but yeah, the mind is still a beautiful thing. Yeah, you learn too much, get too close to the sun. But I think honestly, what saved me is like I never went into drugs. I didn't get into benzos like Dr. Peterson went. My brother did every single drug there was to do and probably some more. I didn't go sports. Not even recreational? No. Wow. No. And my brother told me don't ever touch acid. He was like that will wreck no. And my brother told me, don't ever touch acid. He was like, that will wreck you.

And so I never did. I never smoked. Did some juice when I was a kid. Didn't make me any stronger. So I was like, this, that shit doesn't work. It's because I had no idea what I was doing, but that's another problem. But that was it.

I was like, no, I don't like it because something else controls me and I refuse that. How does some of this research and some of what you've been doing, how does it help with PTSD as well? So PTSD, it depends what you call, so what you see with PTSD in a way is exactly the same thing. You see a 12 and it should be a six.

So a trauma created a prior, right? An experience, a memory of something. And whenever that prior shows up, regardless of what the environment actually is, your answer is the same. Is in what happened during that prior. So it's a bit like in a way, in a sense like schizophrenia, it's a hyper prior.

You're putting too much weight into that prior. So what do we do? Exposure therapy. We're gonna introduce stress and right before you go to a 12, I'm gonna ask you to come back to a six and find like that. And on top of it, whenever I'm gonna give you a 10

and you're gonna freak out, you're gonna have a panic attack, right before we go there, I'm gonna teach you how to create a vagal response so that you don't go into a panic attack. So we do cyclical squats with reverse breathing in order to create a ventral vagus response So that you have control over your system losing his shit

Does that make sense because you have to deal that what's reverse breathing? So you inhale on the concentric face and you exhale through your lips on the eccentric face Okay, and then you're gonna squat this I'll make you do it a specific way and it's gonna create really you'll see what I mean You feel it in your eyes. It's a vagal response, basically. And so what happens with PTSD is suddenly you go sympathetic, then you go 2, 4, 6, 8, 26. You just go and you cannot stop your sympathetic reaction, the expenditure of energy because the prior is so strong, you're back at that moment where you were getting blown up. So the amount of energy that is being spent is absurd, which every time makes you crash for

three days, right? So whenever the, it seems that the thing spent is absurd, which every time makes you crash for three days, right? So whenever the, it seems that the thing is just speeding up out of control. So I'm going to show you how to apply breaks. So I'm going to do it in the gym where I'm going to stress to you, not too much that you lose your shit, but right at that moment.

And I'm going to teach you to go down by two. Then we're going to go back up, go down by two. So that you learn that you can have control over the system being out of control. And that faith, that hope already does tremendously. And after that, I'm going to teach you never, never try not to go past that point where you go too far. But every time you can get a little bit closer to the sun.

So it's resilience is seven times down, eight times up. The problem is they can't get back up. Like they just go out of control. I'm like, all right, so. Like they just go out of control. I'm like, all right, so how do we stop the out of control? The best way to stop the sympathetic is to have a Vegas trigger. So if we can create that, I can stop the out of control.

I just have to catch it early enough. So that's why I'm gonna need the technology with UCLA because with the machine learning, we know when to apply it before you're out of control. Because I can read it, but it's, what if I'm wrong? What if I miss or whatever? And then they go into panic attack, and then they'll pass out.

Now, is it multiple things? I mean, it's probably a few things that give that away, but like, is there something that happens to the heart rate? Is there something that happens to the face? It's just pure face. I think for me to read, I read it off the eyes. So for example, when someone... That's a trick.

When someone is crashed, look at the left eye. When you see a dead fish on the left eye, that means they crash completely. That's a dorsal vagal response. You want to have fun. Look at Jeff Bezos and look at his left eye. It's fascinating. Yeah.

So I'm guessing... I don't know what he's taking, but I'm guessing he's up there. Yeah. So sexual excitation, you will see it on the left eye is fascinating. Yeah. So I'm guessing, I don't know what he's taking, but I'm guessing he's up there. Yeah. So sexual excitation, you will see it on the left eye. You'll see this always. Yeah. So anyway, because we have more parasympathetic innervation on the left side.

So I always check the left, but whenever they start to panic, you'll see the stress and whenever they go blank, that's when the panic attack is going to happen. So you see what I mean? Yeah. That's not just a thing for him, huh? That's not just how I think.

Yeah. But if you see all the pictures, look at the left eye. It's fascinating, especially him. It's crazy. Wow. Anyway, so what you see in nature, you see that with birds, is people think panic attack is sympathetic, always out of control.

But actually, there's a phase where you go sympathetic, freeze. And after freeze, you go panic attack. So whenever they's a phase where you go sympathetic, freeze, and after freeze you go panic attack. So whenever they start to stress and they go blank, that means they went into freeze, the next step is a panic attack. So I have to stop them right before they go there. And do you help them control this through like breathing? Yeah.

And exercise. Actually breathing by itself is not enough. You have to also have a physical movement with it. At least it works better. So far. Can you like, I guess, overexpose somebody to these exposures? Like what's like ideal or? Yeah, I just, I'll do it enough that they can get into a rhythm. So for example, I'm going to make you squat, I'm going to put you against the wall and make you squat up and down. You're going to exhale through the lips lips on the way down inhale through the nose on the way up But I want that in the circle, which means you never stop breathing

You never stop moving and at first they'll go And then what I want is Like this and the second they find that that means they control we stop right there Because otherwise you can if you go too far, you'll crash yourself Like it's an arch you can't go too far either way. Otherwise you're fucking with things you don't fully understand and then you end up in another place.

So that's where machine learning will help us. It's like, it's dangerous to have just me relying on just me looking. Like if we could understand the numbers better or where things are opponent, it'd be, yeah, that's the study we're doing right now. So that's machine learning. The camera on the right is looking at my face,

and the one on the left is measuring my movements. And so we're doing a lot of that. Right now we're in the machine learning phase. So strength and some of what you're doing, sandbags and sleds and stuff, these are like things that are like cognitive, right? These are things that are gonna like- But low skill, always.

Right, yeah, a sled is like hard to mess up. Exactly, right, yeah, yeah. So you don't have to, mm, every time. And there's no expectation, there's no failure into it. Like a sandbag carry, so there's really little technique, I can do it fast, and there's less capacity for going into freeze because you, yeah, but whatever. So the sled is the best way to go there.

And the kids also, they're especially not on the PTSD, although that can happen on the autism, the coordination is an issue. And the loss of eccentric with autism, which I find, I see it all the time, but we don't know why. What does that look like? Like if they're doing a squat, they just like fall?

Yeah, they just fall. So this is interesting. So that we have an ESG, I didn't post it yet, but you know like that fucking helmet thing? Right, so we're starting to use that. So I find it interesting. The eccentric contraction is based, is linked to the beta brainwave, resisting things.

What's interesting, it's also one of the brainwaves for language. Most of the ASD are nonverbal. So the worse he gets, the less verbal they are. That's what I find interesting. But look at what language is. Language is playing the silences, just like music. So when you speak, you have to learn to accelerate, decelerate, and pause. So concentric, eccentric, isometric.

What we see with autism is the isometric and eccentric is very hard to get by. But concentric, they do just fine. They actually can be very strong when you're pure concentric. Hence the sled, by the way. But the second you introduce eccentric and isometric, you have an issue. So is that what's happening with language? It's not that they can't express themselves because they can type. So for the longest time we thought they can't speak because they're stupid.

That's not true at all. Some of them have PhD that they did through typing. Right. So what if it's a language, the pattern is the same with speech as it is for exercise? So then does that mean that by bettering the eccentric I can maybe help with the language? Don't know yet, but you get the idea. You and your lady just had an awesome night. You got dinner or you just came back from the gym and it's time for that fun time.

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Is there something that maybe people that have a child that's non-verbal, something they should try to do? Yeah, we have one. His name is Theo. And he was very famous because he wrote books actually out of typing. But now he starts typing and he finishes his sentences speaking. It's a very high pitch, by the way. It's always a high pitch. Always. I'm like, aha, so there's something for you right there. They can't control the pitch.

So, I mean, there's things like that. But anyway, now he can finish speaking and now he says he wants to start the sentences speaking. He says he wants to speak and be able to, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, it's very high pitch, but there's a capacity there, but they have to slow down first. And early on, that's very, very hard. So they have speech therapy, but too many times

they're just trying to compensate for the other side. So for example, other interesting facts. Most of the kids are on their tippy toes. You noticed? Like when the kid, they work on the ball of their feet, always. Kind of a texture thing probably too. Something like that.

It's a way to balance in space and so on. Yeah, exactly. I think it's a balancing in space. So we saw too many times some therapies that were just making them walk on their heels. Cause that way they don't work on their tippy toes. I'm like, but that doesn't fix anything. Not does it.

But a lot of the therapies for autism is that. Right, so there you go. She's pulling, we're doing good. She's on the ball of her foot, it's great. And there we go. And so see, but we have to create a prediction for them. Push this way, push this way. And over time, they learn to push.

They push harder and harder. Is it slow? Yeah. So for example, the kid is non-verbal. Yeah. So we might be able to at some point get something, but it's going to take a long time. Especially the parents at first, it's heartbreaking. They want it now. They want their kids to be normal. They want to fix the kid. That's not happening. What we can do is the symptoms. Why? And then we can work in that so we can make him walk better. You know what I mean? Like, we're not going to get good or bad. We're going to get better or worse. That's just something.

It is what it is, right? So, fully verbal, like a switch. There's something which is just a pill will switch the thing. No. Got it. No, no. But that's because, again, autism is a function. That's who they are. It's like an anxious person. They will be anxious always. That's not the question. The question is what do you do with it? Do you make it work for you or against you?

It's the same thing with autism. You can make it work for you. There are ways to do this. So don't stop yourself from being an anxious person. No. Just figure out how to deal with it. Yeah, you will be by the way. You're just pretending that you're not anxious.

I'm fine. You know that smile that they have with it. Yeah, you will be by the way. You're just pretending that you're not anxious. I'm fine. You know that smile that they have? Yeah. And you go like, you're scaring me right now. Like, you live in your basement or something? Like, it's because they go like, no, no, no, I'm just fine. The power of the mind. I'm fine.

Cause I say I'm fine. I'm like, okay, sure. I've seen that in my girlfriend's eyes before. Everything's good. Let go of the knife. Honey. Uh. So, no, you are anxious.

By the way, it's fine. It makes you driven. You say anxious that woman is in the room over there. You think she's easy to deal with? What do you think? She's so strong. She has to come from somewhere. Right, so we know what we do. We make her train three times a day.

And my life is a lot better. And she'll be the first one to say, it's like, no, I cannot not train. Say two things. I have to stay hot and I have to stay sane. I'm like, those are good goals. Let's work on that. But so she's extremely energetic.

Like you see, she's a fucking like, remember the energizer bunny? That's her, right? So an hour she'll be like this and she's like,. Like you see how much she's a fucking like, remember the Energizer bunny? That's her, right? So an hour she'll be like this and she's like, I have energy again. I'm like, let's go train. So imagine the anxiety level of that woman. And by the way, her thing is obsessive compo,

not obsessive, because all autistic people, which is, are ritualistic, but she's a spiritual. So you notice how she stares at you? She's like this. This is Sam, Sam has also seen it. My girlfriend is the same. You know what's funny with that? I had to teach her like, stop staring. So she, you have to count to three and you stop.

So she goes like this, then one, two, three. And goes back to staring at you. And people are like, your wife scares me. I'm like, she scares me too. What do you mean? Like, um, but she trains a lot. So you're safe. That's how I know you're safe is because she trained already. So we're good. So I like, she scares me too. What do you mean? But she trains a lot, so you're safe. That's how I know you're safe, is because she trained already, so we're good. So I made sure she was printing first. But anyway, so she can get ritualistic, can turn into obsessive. That's bad. Then she starts to stress and

everything. So she's always, she will be anxious about something. So I'll find her something to put that thing toward. And it can't be powerlifting otherwise it will ruin her as an athlete. So I'll make her stress about something else. So it is my job to make her life chaotic. Because she's too structured. So I take my clothes and I just throw them everywhere in the house. And I do this for her. I want it to be known that I do this to help my wife be better in life. It's not because I'm messy. It's for my wife. It's out of love. I'm misunderstood profoundly. Anyway, so, but I have to make sure.

So when I leave a week, I come back from LA and she's in the house and I can tell she forgot I'm there. Because she's going from, you know, at eight o'clock she does that, at 15 she does that, at 30 she does that. And I'm like, oh, she's back in being so ritualistic that she will do, she will, every single thing will be scripted, which is really bad for her. So I'm like, all right, where are my clothes?

Time to go crazy in the house again. And she's like, oh, hi honey. I'm like, yes, I'm here, thank you. Yeah, she gets into those things. And that's what anxious people do. They get on rails so they can't spin out of control because then it's really bad. So I'm like, all right, so let's deal with it. Let's you're gonna train three times a day or you're gonna study.

I don't know go play Helldivers 2 for six hours. I don't know find something. You should have a team by the way. Anyway, so that's how I relax is I put 700 hours on Elden Ring. Yeah, anyway, yeah, so autism works really well. I'm really good at it now. Anyway, so... That's a tough game to get good at. I finished it like 14 times now. So, yeah. The fists are the best one, by the way.

So you all know. If you know, you know. Anyway. So, wait, so that anxiety put it towards something. The most successful people you know are anxious. Jeff Bezos, how do you think you work 80 hours a week? Does Elon Musk look to you as a very relaxed guy? Not generally.

Yeah, so you see that in autism, you see anxiety, everything, because they always need to be driven toward doing stuff. So the only moment where they're not anxious is when they're doing. Right, so an anxious person has to do. Right, so that's the issue. All right, so let's do.

But the idea like, oh, fixing anxiety is nonsense. They will just hide it, mask it, make it work against them. They'll be in freeze a lot. So you'll see people crashing themselves so they're not anxious. Right, is that more efficient? Because now you're crashing instead of anxious. And by the way, again, anxious is your nature. So anxious is not always negative. So most likely when we say anxiety, we talk about

the negative aspects of it. But again, there's a function there to prepare you for the future. You go into a Jiu Jitsu competition, if you're really calm, you're not gonna do well. You go to a big podcast, you're slightly nervous before, because you're trying to get ready. If you're really chill, you won't do that well. You need to get ready. So now, if you're too anxious, you can't speak. Yeah, that's... now we have a problem. So then we agree that it's your answer to the thing that matters, not the thing itself. It's completely okay to be anxious. By the way, you're not supposed to feel good all day. Stop being in the US constantly and come to Brazil a little bit.

And you'll notice you're not going to be physically comfortable at all times. They have those tiny fucking mosquitoes that sting me through my shirt every time. They're tiny, but I bleed off of it. And it burns for 10 minutes. Oh yeah. Right, so when things try to kill you all day, you're a lot less anxious, I gotta tell you. Because you're busy being in pain. That helps.

So being in pain helps with anxiety a lot, I swear. Find your way. That's what you got going on over there, Andrew. Just again, kind of going back to the, you know, bringing yourself down from like a 10 to a six. So do you program that for people? Because I need help with that because I will, I am that person. Right. And then we'll go, we'll go at the end. Right. And then we'll find what the number is. That might take a session or two. Right. And then you stay in touch with me. And then we're going

to figure out if it's at three, six or eight ish. Right. But there's a moment where your mind is going to break and you're going to go toward the behavior. We're going to stop that, which means art if it's at three, six or eight ish, right? But there's a moment where your mind is going to break and you're going to go toward the behavior. We're going to stop that, which means you're going to stay on the bike at that number and you're not going to react that way. Cause what I, so what I notice in the middle of a role, right? I'm not even there sometimes. I'm thinking about the next guy that's going to call me out. I'm not even in the moment. You're just disengaging. It doesn't matter what you do. It's just a way of disengaging.

Right. So there's a syndrome for that. Where you're disconnecting from yourself. Right. That's a way to get away from the stress. Yeah. Right. So that's a freeze mode. Yeah. Right. So that means that on the bike, at minute X, at that number, you're going to start to slow down. And I'm not going to let you. You're going to go back to that number so that you have to stay within the moment in an uncomfortable feeling.

Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. And then so like, again, just because we are kind of like meatheads and we talk about programming and stuff, for this type of practice, like again, like how many times per week? Oh, you do it every day. Every day, okay. And you're going to hate me after two weeks.

Because it's going to be so, you're going to be feeling so much better two hours later. But I have people that text me going like, right, are they doing it? Which they're not supposed to be like, I hate you with a passion right now. Because this is the most uncomfortable I've ever been. Because you can't go to a 12, so you have no way out. So you will hate me so much while you're there. But it will teach you to stop that behavior that you've learned to do. So it's behavior modification.

Yeah, because when you guys are talking about like smiling and saying like, oh, it's fine. My wife will tell you exactly what that face looks like. Because like, I mean, literally happens like almost every day. So it's like, what's wrong? Like nothing, we're good. She knows I'm lying. It's like when world people talk to you and they have that smile. And you go like, oh shit.

I see a cult. I know a cult when I see one. They have that weird smile. I will always go like, you're crazy lady. Yeah. It's that. Those are all learned behaviors. So so we just have it's not breaking them but we have to redirect them. I never really like the way you put it like about you're not gonna get rid of anxiety no like that's a good thing yeah but by the way it's a function it's like getting rid of hunger but then you go it's called ozampic but then you're gonna die yeah yeah yeah I'm curious cuz a while ago I think it was I don't know two years back, we had Richard Aceves on the podcast and he learned a lot from you.

Yeah, he was my boy. We learned so much about like the emotions and muscles that sat around that podcast and he learned that from you. How did you come across that stuff? Because before him, we never knew about, I mean, at least I know that I never heard about any of that stuff personally. So we call it emotional mapping. By the way, Richard is like my little brother.

Best strength athlete I've ever trained, I think. Wow. Or close to, yeah, or let's say top three. Cause my office, he was, oh no, like that motherfucking- Talk about good hair. Oh man. Fucking looks like a Mexican Superman. Fucking Mexican, man, yeah.

And he was just smiling like, he's the Mexican Clark Kent. Yeah. 100%. Every time he was like, you want to be an actor? I was like, letting go, he's the Mexican Clark Kent. Yeah! 100%. Every time he was like, you want to be an actor? I was like, let him go, he's going to be a pro strongman. And I proceed, choose CrossFit. I was like, whatever. That motherfucker in front of me cleaned a 280 sandbag.

I think he did a 300. I know he did a 280 and I know he pressed it. Doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Strong motherfucker. He would have been a pro strongman, guaranteed. Choose CrossFit, go figure. But oh, he was so strong. Anyway, we traveled, like we dated for years before he was married. So I was kind of offended, but we did the seminars together for like three years.

And so during that, he started to hit me when we were in Australia. So there's a guy named William Reich, who was a student of Freud. We're talking 1920 Vienna. So it's very interesting because Freud, if you see, was all words, like Dr. Nasser is, so more like predictions type, right? And here comes William Reich, it's not necessarily a new idea because you saw it with Chinese and a lot of philosophy, but he's the first one coming from psychotherapy going into that aspect. And he's talking pretty much as, remember when they say

like the body keeps the score? Well, that's actually William Reich who really said that first. And he's going into, in a way, the nervous system rings in the body that keeps tension where the tension gets stuck somewhere. And this is where the problem is. And so he had entire system been on releasing tension at specific spot of the body in order to let go of the problem. So actually he was trying to, for example, cure schizophrenia or at least lessen the symptoms based on that. And he had specific point that map the points like the Chinese. So the entire idea in this book, for example, character analysis and everything, and I started

to study that. And I found that I saw the same thing through the internal talk, external talk and things like that. So I was like, I wonder if, and I started to play around with that idea with more research. And there were some ideas, at least of the nervous system that's starting to emerge. But then after that, we started to notice you've been there on the sled when you push hard enough and you start crying and stuff come up. I was like, all right, so why and how? And then we started to exploring that and certain patterns seem to emerge. So I got into it very deep and everything. And then after that was one of my disagreements with Richard is when does that turn into self-indulgence? So I may give you a workout and you can make yourself cry. Right. So that's going to release

that anxiety we were talking about. Right. So you're going to feel good for two hours. Right. So guess what you're going to do? You're going to do that every day. But then guess what you're going to do? You're going to stop stressing yourself. And so now all you're crying is a way to make yourself cry so you can release. Is that helping or is that self-indulgence now? You know therapy, typical therapy. Now it's self-indulgence. It has nothing to do with therapy anymore. You're paying someone to talk to them about yourself for an hour. They don't, the therapist don't deal with hardcore stuff anymore. What they have is teenage girls saying,

I don't like my friends. And they love that because the business is so much better. But what they do is making them talk about how miserable they are. Guess what you get? More miserable. But it's self-indulgence. All those women that say, you need therapy,

they say, no bitch, you need to stop yours. That's why, because all you do is talking about yourself for an hour and you love those words self-indulgence. All those women that say you need therapy, say no bitch, you need to stop yours. That's why, because all you do is talking about yourself for an hour and you love those words because someone is paying attention to you. It's self-indulgence, it has nothing to do with therapy anymore. So that emotional mapping, as interesting as it was, was starting to turn into that.

Got it. Where people got away from training hard in order to create an emotion. Right, busy emotion there or are you creating it? Are you creating the trauma just so that you can create a reaction and feel better after? Because at least for two hours you don't feel anxious. You know what the problem is with that? Is you stop working on making the anxiety work for you.

Now you're just releasing it. Yeah, but it comes back. So now you're releasing it again. So how are you going to do that for? Every day? But you can't train anymore. So when does it become a problem? And I thought it became a problem real fast.

Yeah. And I saw it in my coaches and they all stopped training hard and I was like, all right, this is not the way. So I was interested in this way as a backdoor for me completely. Because I found that this was not serving my people the best way.

So the problem again with all this is the second you get to all the anxiety stuff, you'll do anything to make it stop, to make the disorder stop, not the function stop. Otherwise, you're on an ozampic. I think a lot of people are like undiagnosed and they're training and they're bearing a lot of their problems in fitness. And that's part of the addicted fitness thing that's going on. Right.

Exactly. So, but at some point that you're not training to get better. You're just training to be able to go through your life. The problem with that is maybe you hate your life. Your, I don't know, your job sucks. You don't like your relationship, whatever it is. Instead of fixing that, you're taking it into the gym. Right. So first of all, you're not training to get better anymore. And second of all, like, where does it end? Because now it allows you to take more shit in your life as long as you can put it more

into the gym. You could see that could spiral out of control real fast. So again, you're not dealing with your environment anymore. You're creating an environment to deal with your thing. Oh boy, that's dangerous. Well, that's what we see in fitness, and that's why the ozempic is gonna kill us all. Wait, go on. What do you mean the ozempic is gonna kill us all?

What do you mean by that? Right, okay, so ozempic is what? I'm not hungry. Yeah. Right, so I don't eat. Right, so do you understand the consequences of this? Lose a lot of muscle. All right, so this is gonna be,

let me put you two extremes. Obese person comes in, going to ozempic loses a massive amount of muscle mass. So first of all, everything goes down function-wise. So they burn less calories and everything. I forget. Metabolism. Metabolism goes down.

Right. So problem. But they can't eat. So that means that they have no pleasure of food anymore. You think it matters to an obese person? Right. So now they're a year and a half in. They're wrecked mentally, so they have to stop because they want to go back to eating.

So they stop post-apes, what happens? They put the weight back and more. Remember, they have less muscle now. So they're going to put even more weight back on. Right, metabolism, and on top of it, they're going to eat with a rage because they have a year and a half now of pent up emotion to release through food. So they're going to go back to their weight and you can add a good

20% to that with less muscle mass. So at some point it's going to get dangerous again. So they have to go back on the Zempik. So now you lose more muscle, you develop a greater rage. Guess what happened a year later. Right. So that's one end on one side. On the other side, what do you think happens to teenage girls with an eating disorder? They waste away? Yeah, but... And they have to stay on it. Surely side rates are high.

So we're not going to create a chemical anorexia. Like we didn't have enough problems with that shit because now you have the sunken face that they're looking for. But the problem is they can't stop because the second they stop, they put all the weight back on. So might as well put a gun to their head, especially as Oprah saying it's a good idea. By the way, some people who say big was beautiful a few years back, we were all fat for big So might as well put a gun to their head, especially as Oprah saying it's a good idea. By the way, some people who say big was beautiful a few years back, we all fight for big for

training. Same people that say like obesity, you have no healthy shoes are not selling a Zempik. The hypocrisy is anyway, but you go to the two extremes and you're going to have a bigger problem with Zempik than you will have with opioid crisis. I can guarantee you that. Wow. This is going to be a hundred billion dollar drug. A hundred billion dollar drug. Well, we know the side effects of it, by the way.

Some people, especially obese, because of the slowing down of the digestive tract, will need to cut open everything to remove the food. Has that happened or is that? Yeah, it has. Yes, many times. Yes. Wow. We're going down the pillar. Tia was talking because he had some of his people. I know so much more. So he was like, this is a disaster. In the making. This is

worse than your period crisis. Wait until it hits TikTok. I'm surprised it hasn't already. Yeah, I know. I'm surprised. But don't worry. It's coming. Don't worry. Because they're going to make so much money off of that. Yeah. And other they've made like've made like more drugs in that same vein and they're supposedly getting better. How do you train starved? You don't.

And by the way, why would you train since you're losing weight? So it's going to, gyms are going to, we're going to see a reduction. I don't know if it's starved though, because like people eat way too much. Like way too much. Yeah, but you don only eat at all?

I don't know if they're not eating at all, but I think to reduce some people... Put Ozempic Hollywood actors. Look at their face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's a different thing, but there's a lot of people... No, no, no, but you're talking about obese people.

That's not who's going to take it. That's less than 10% of who's going to take the drug. 90% of people need to lose 10 pounds and going to lose a massive amount of weight for vanity purposes. Now, do obese people with diabetes need to take it? It's better than dying. It's better than the two diabetes

that is killing you slowly. Right. We're still negating the fact that we need to change your lifestyle. Yeah, habits. I would also assume that bodybuilders are already taking it too. It's not really talked about,

but I think bodybuilders are already on it too. Yes, I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. talked about, but I think bodybuilders are already on it too. I've heard that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, when they go- I just don't know why they wouldn't. I mean, bodybuilding is about not eating. When you're dieting for sure. When you're dieting press, yeah.

The problem is, yeah, but they're gonna have issues because once you ruin the stomach, you might have, I'd be curious what he does on water retention and stuff like that. Are they worried about problems in the future though? No, yeah, that is a good question. No, no, not in the future. I'm wondering if that's going to help them during the prep or not. I'm curious.

We'll see. No, but look. I think it already is. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They're making an informed decision and it's all good. I'm just saying like we, but it's like the painkillers. Remember when they say like pain is always a price to pay.

I agree with that 100%. But if we were, if we stuck with just obese people that have diabetes, I would not say anything about it. This is not how this is gonna be solved. What frustrates me is the same crowd that say big and beautiful, how dare you being fatphobic? That's what I think the hypocrisy to me is ridiculous. And the effect you will have on the fitness industry

with yet another drug. When we still not addressing the real problem. That's more that. But by the way, people do what they want and for obese people, it's better than you eating yourself to death. But also, I don't see them stopping past a year or less and picking it up and they'll come off, I think, because they just lost all pleasure of food. So you're not solving anything.

It's a huge deal. Yeah, it is. So there's a lot of, it's a bit like anxiety with the drugs or anxiety and everything. Because I had clients ask me to take them off of it because yes, it will zone the bad stuff. But the problem is you never feel good either. You're always in the center. So to let go of the worst, you're agreeing to sacrifice the best. Which, if you're about to jump off a bridge, I understand.

But that's not who took SSRIs. People were on it all year long, still do, because they allowed them not to feel shitty. Yeah, but you also don't feel good. Is that what we're shooting for? You know what I mean? Like, so it's always those, and by the way, no, of course, if they want to take it, go ahead.

But I had many clients ask me to take them off of it because it was the point of life at some point. Yeah. I mean, it's, but it's a bit, you know because it was the point of life at some point. Yeah. I mean, it's, but it's a bit, you know what it was with SSRIs that I saw as well too, because I saw it very prevalent in the, like that upper executive things. It's the same thing as steroids for sports. It allowed them to work 16 hour days, six days a week because it keeps you in the center so you never feel too bad.

You don't feel good, but it doesn't matter because you can work all day. So it was actually performance enhancing. That's where they were taking it, with the side effects that he implied that. Yeah, and that's why they were to come off of it. So when it came off of it, the emotional swings were powerful. So we had to deal with that for six months. And by the way, I mean, the lows come back.

The heights came back, but so did the lows. So now we have to deal with the lows. So you have to deal with it sooner or later. Sooner or later. If you're someone that's taking supplements or vitamins or anything to help move the needle in terms of your health, how do you know you really need them? And the reason why I'm asking you how do you know

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Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Just super curious going back to the Ozempic thing. If somebody is obese and they're not eating, but they have so much excess fat, like how long would the body be able to just feed off of the fat and them just kind of be okay? But it's not just not eating. He has profound effects on the gut. So those effects also have their own side.

This is the issue. By the way, on an individual basis, I would agree, they need it, go. But we're talking about this individual versus group level. So for example, like am I gonna shame a 500 pound person by saying them like, you're fat, your health is bad? Of course not, I would try to help that person. As a group though, we have to agree to tell them, obese is not good for you.

Your health is at risk, stop saying it's beautiful, it's dangerous, we should not do it as a group. So there's always a difference between an individual and a group, right? As a group, was a pick is a disaster. And again, we the price to pay is the the amount of chemical anorexia we're about to create in those teenage girls. Is that worth it? It has to be part of the at least of the conversation. Can we at least have a conversation about it? Is really that. Please, let's have a conversation.

This is a hundred billion dollar drug. We should talk about what will happen next. At least have a conversation about it. To save one individual, are we gonna sacrifice an entire, like the teenage girls don't have enough problem with TikTok. That we're gonna put that shit in. I have one, so I am worried a little bit.

I mean, so is that, right? Switching gears a little bit, getting into Jiu-Jitsu so early, I wonder if you can kind of describe to these guys who have been in Jiu-Jitsu eight years or so, nine years, two years, maybe explain to these guys what Jiu-Jitsu looked like in the 90s. It seems like it's pretty inviting. These guys will invite and they'll say, hey, you've come over. It's not making me sound so old. It was the late 90s, not the early 90s. So first of all, it was late 90s in France. So first it's in France. So what we have is we have the Gracie tapes, by the Horyon and Hoyce explaining their... Where they're fighting people. Yeah, when Hoyce was fighting earlier. So they had the instructional video where they're fighting people. Yeah, when Royce was fighting earlier. So they had an instructional video where they explained the arm bar and the triangle,

and we all studied it for hours. One sweep, one triangle, one arm bar, and that's all we did. So that's Jiu-Jitsu back then. By the way, there's only white belts in France. I get to the US, and non-Brazilian, there's white belts and blue belts. You guys don't understand. We had nobody to spar with than each other. And no one really to teach.

Well, the Brazilians at least were there, but it was a bunch of spaz trying to kill each other because we're all white belts, right? So it's like, and then, hey, he's a blue belt. And then there was that one American purple belt and we're all like, oh, he's a purple belt. It's like, really? He must be like, did God talk to you?

Like you're a prophet now, you know what I mean? And so that was mostly a bunch of blue belts going at each other. So you go to competition, you got white belts, blue belts, bunch of Brazilian competing against each other. That was it. That was literally Copa Pacifica, first competition, I won, white belt.

I was so proud. Yeah, but I'm a badass now. But then there's a blue belt. I was like, oh, that's hard. I don't know if I'm ready for that. Right. And that's it. We had white belts, blue belt. That's all. So that's the only sparring we had. So like the techniques were the first time I sparred with a Jiu-Jitsu black belt. So Brazilian, right? He had technique. I was like, I didn't know you could put, you could put your foot there. What is this?

That's not what the hoist was saying. That's not what a sweep is. You put your knee that way and you put your hand there. And then suddenly he had his knee on my bicep and he's sweeping me like six feet into the air. And I'm like, okay, that's not Jiu Jitsu. What was that? And then so he was, he had very little students.

So basically ended up being a private session every single time, every day for five days, six days a week for two years. He beat the shit out of me. It wasn't a private session. It was a sparring session and he used me as a punching bag. So, because he wanted to compete and everything. So he whooped me.

I got very good at defense. He whooped me for an hour every day and everything. And then I would take him out on the Blue Bells. That was the two back then. Hey Diogo at first. He was a Carlson Gracie, black belt. And then John Machadoom. And then John Machadoom was my true master, true teacher.

Again, only blue belts in the gym. And John said to me, relax, relax, flow, relax. I am relaxed. He's like, no, no, you're not. Choked me again. And he was like, but it was crazy because me I was trying to resist everything. Like if he doesn't submit me in the next 36 seconds,

I win, right? Is that what the goal is? In the beginning of the show, how many times did you say that he choked you out? And I'm not kidding. I bet you it's over 2,500 times. You said, I wrote it down. 2,600, yeah, exactly. 2,853 times. It has to be, I'm pretty sure. I've never been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation

where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation where I've been in a situation... I put him in bad situation twice. I didn't say submit. I said I put him in bad situations twice.

What he would go like, that was good. Yeah. I was like, thank you. I'm so happy. I went home and couldn't sleep for two days. And I mean, it's like, I put him into a bad situation. And then like, he would arm bar me from the side, control. Always the same side.

And I'd be like, no, you don't. Because I knew exactly what he was going to do. I put my elbow, he's like, try to get me now. And then three, two, one, put his knee exactly in the right place, then hey, hey, on bar me. And I'm like 10, nine, eight, seven, six, five. Every single time, I was like, you son. I could not, I could not stop it.

I knew exactly, I knew his game perfectly, I knew exactly what he was going to do, when he was going to sweep me, could not stop it. Let me exactly, I knew his game perfectly. I knew exactly what he was going to do, when he was going to sweep me. I could not stop it. Let me ask you this. Because so many people that start Jiu Jitsu, like so many people feel like they have profound experiences that change the way they look at sports.

Some people not so much. But for you, having done so many sports, so many, was there anything that you got from there that you think has been just super beneficial? Oh yeah. Jiu Jitsu. I mean, yeah, Jujitsu. I would say that changed me because he changed my outlook on a bunch of stuff. Because again, at first I was fighting him on everything, trying to resist, trying to... You know, like again, if I don't get submitted in the first minute, I win.

And he was getting really pissed at me every time because he knew that's what I was thinking. He was like, stop. He was like, okay, fine, fine. Because he was like, no, that's not Jiu-Jitsu. Like, relax, accept the sweep, because I'm going to get it anyway. But look at the way I'm doing it, so that you can replicate it.

So the idea was that, you know, at least the first thousand times you tap, you're like, you got lucky. Next time, that won't happen. Like I will never tap ever again. You know, we all say that. Right. And after all, it doesn't matter.

You're learning Jiu-Jitsu. So he wasn't so much objective based. It was like, accept the sweep, but then realize how he's doing it so that you can apply it to the next guy. And then, so I stopped resisting. And then that's when I started learning. So that I had the profound aspect on change on me

in the way I was approaching strategizing certain things. You have to understand, it's very overwhelming. The contact is very overwhelming for me. So I was always in a fight mode at first because he was always like, it was very strong feelings toward that. And so to learn to relax through that, also talk about exposure therapy

was just really, really good for me. And it's control violence. So once you can control that, your fear overall goes down. Your fear of physicality goes down so you become more resilient. So the resiliency taught me Jiu Jitsu, I'm mostly not scared. Like I'm not gonna necessarily win a fight but you're gonna have to bleed to beat me. So that's enough that I'm reasonably not too scared of a physical confrontation, even in Brazil, because I can make it last longer. Anyway, I won't be at risk of.

And so that builds a confidence in you and stuff like that, that Arab Jiu-Jitsu really changed a lot of things, especially because I started at, what, 18 when I was really having a hard time. And you really allowed me to go through from that. As you started to gain some of this knowledge of like torque and torsion and how to move the body, did any of that help or improve your jiu-jitsu or does that not kind of really

work on the mat? No, it didn't. But what it did though is to give me some ideas about like how to work on my own games. What certain things felt, because I could tell when I was very reactive versus things I was more comfortable with. That's something you learn from Purple to Brown is to develop your own game.

So that really helped me at that time. Of going like this is how it's supposed to feel versus being overly reactive. What helped me really was the nervous system stuff. Because once I learned to control it, I freaked out a lot less during Jiu-Jitsu. Nervous system stuff, training in the gym kind of stuff? Right, like the same thing I apply for PTSD. The reason I created it is because I did it for myself first. Right, so I've learned not to be overwhelmed by certain things and that I used in

Jiu-Jitsu. So the resilience that I developed in Strongmen helped me tremendously with the Jiu-Jitsu. And the strength that you gained from Strongman, how did that help? Oh yeah. No matter what they say, I don't care about the whole technique stuff. If you're fucking strong, it's going to help you a lot. Right. Because like once I was bracing and stuff, like I was a brown belt at the time, but the dude were like trying to move me. I'm like, stay here. Where are you going? Come back here. And then I'm going to pass the guard by just bullying you around. And you're a big send back bitch.

So I'm coming. And so yeah, it helped. I'm sorry to tell you. Like, yeah, of course, technique goes a long way, but so does strength here and there. Yeah, because it's not, powerlifting strength is a bit different from strongman strength

because angles and everything, the send back teaches you to deal with a very awkward object. So when I had to use my strength, I was very good at it. Do you think that's one of the better things someone that's maybe newer at Jiu-Jitsu could use is just something like a sandbag? Yeah, a bigger sandbag.

And by the way, this is like, you know, wrestling conditioning, right? If you can shoulder a 100 kilo sandbag, you'll see that handling a body does not hurt nearly as much because it's the same type of strength. It's awkward. You have to squeeze. It works way better, I think, than the barbell in that sense. I think what's interesting about the sandbag is that you have to squeeze it.

I think that helps a lot with bracing. Like to me, it hurts my back way less to pick up a sandbag than it does to pick up a barbell. Right, because you have to put the obliques in right away and you don't have a choice, right? Plus it's everywhere. And I love that because the skill is on the sandbag, you get it right away.

The sandbag teaches you how to lift it real fast. Otherwise it just doesn't move. You're like, no, the first time it's heavy, go like, oh, all right, well that doesn't apply, so let me work on my super again. And you start to squeeze everywhere, and suddenly you use your biceps and your back and your shoulders just in a way

that you would do with Jiu-Jitsu. So I think the best strength for Jiu-Jitsu is the Senpai. But speaking of that, I got that out of training at Baja Gracie, in Baja Tijuca in Brazil, from the Cuban wrestling conditioning coach that they had there. That guy was a golem. He was a Cuban and he would train the wrestling team in Cuba. And what they did, because I guess no equipment, is they would go on the beach on the sand and they would do a wrestling exercise. But like you take the guy, put it on your shoulder and squat him.

Fireman's carry, all that stuff. So really almost like a sandbag workout on the beach. You do 15 reps, 9 to 12 exercises, three rounds. So you do it, I do it. So the problem is of course, when the guy picks you up and put him in shoulder, you're not breathing. Because you know, you're halfway with his shoulder and your ribs. So you can't breathe and then it's your time to squat. And you go, wait, wait, wait, wait. How does that work? So I died. Yeah. Hard. Like hardcore

died. So bad. I'm really curious about this because you were talking to us about in the gym, you and what's your girlfriend's name? Or your wife's name? What's your wife's name? Janina. Janina. You guys were talking to us about how she runs off the bones of her feet, right? And we had Kador Ziani. He's one of the guys who's done a lot of dunk contests in the past.

He's French too, I think. Yeah, I think Kador is too. Yeah, we will. But he was talking about how, like, he would come... When he came to the gym, he was doing a lot of stuff where like he was kicking with that part of his foot, kicking hard objects, and he would jump off of that part of his foot, right? So when did you realize how big of a difference

stronger feet can make for movement? Because I don't think a lot of people realize that. I didn't realize it until she taught me. Because she was like, let me show you sprinting. I was like, I'm slow. Why, dude, I can't jump either. It's fine. Like, I'm really strong though. And she was like, no, no, no, let me show you sprinting. I was like, I'm slow. Why, dude, I can't jump either. It's fine. Like I'm really strong though.

And she was like, no, no, no, let me show you. Let me show you. I was like, all right, fine, we go over there. And I did not understand sprinting at all. By the way, sprinting is not running fast. It's not that. It's even though it's close to post-running, it's still its own thing.

Like you can't sprint like that long distance. You would have to adjust anyway. But I go into it and for me, running fast or everything is through the glutes, through the legs, so more like the hips thing. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna work with the feet. And I'm like, all right, I'm not understanding.

And right away she makes me do everything with my toes up and hitting that bone of the foot but directly onto the bone. And I was like, well, that hurts. Like I don't like it. And she was like, don't be a pussy. Just keep going. All right, fine.

And the next day I can barely walk. My feet were so sore. But then we keep doing it. And honestly, I feel completely retarded. Like she's a great athlete. I'm a fairly good athlete too. But next to her, I was like, I don't look like her when she's doing it.

And she's doing exercises. I was like, I don't understand. Like she could read doing it. Yeah. And she's doing exercises, I was like, I don't understand. Like she could read, run almost at full speed with her legs straight, like doing that exercise she was doing, but she's at a speed that I can't match. While her legs are straight, I was like, and it sounds exactly the same that when she's running, and she's like, hey, it's the same thing.

That's how I run. I was like, I don't understand. I'm pushing off my feet. She's like, no, you don't push, you pull. So she kept explaining the stuff and it made no sense until... It took me like four to six months until my feet developed enough that I could start doing what she was talking about. And I was like, oh, is that what sprinting is?

Yeah. Because I'd never sprinted in my life, I can tell you that. But my feet were sore for six months. Like I could barely come down the stairs. It was every day, I was like, this is ridiculous. And my low abs were so sore. 10 years plus of Jiu Jitsu, and I was like, I have good low abs.

Like, no, no, I didn't, not like that. And she taught me to lift my knees properly. And I never ran correctly. That's when I discovered we are at least not sprinting correctly. But the impact on the bone was absurd. The second thing that killed me with sprinting is how out of breath I got. God, he was exhausting. Like, we do 30 minutes, felt like he was a sprint, like a sled workout. I was like, I don't understand the violence of sprinting. That's what surprised me the most. It's like,

this was one of the most violent thing I've done because the impact on the foot was so hard. And that hurt, by the way. I know maybe it's just me being a little bitch, but that shit hurt. And so her feet are like so strong. And what I learned too is like I was watching her sprint, but I could hear her hit the ground so hard. And she could jump, you know, like about that high with her legs straight without using flexion of the knee, just of the foot.

Like when she was at the top, I swear, she would, it was 14 inches, her feet would get to 30, 35 inches in the air. Legs straight just off, by the third jump, she had 35 inches high with no extension of the legs. Her legs completely straight, just out of hitting the foot. And you can hear the sound of it, bam, bam, bam out of hitting the foot. And you can hear the sound of it. Blam, blam, blam.

Just hitting this part. And I was like, all right, I don't understand. And then within six months, I was like, oh wow. But it was a new world. It was the first time doing Shih Jitsu. You know when a new world opens to you, where you go like, I didn't know this existed. You know, like you always turn the wrong way at first.

And you go like, I don't understand how to move on the ground. You think you're a good athlete until you have to move, until the first time you spar and then you realize you can't move. That was exact same thing for sprinting. I was like, I don't know how to do any of this. This is completely foreign to me. I just know I'm really sore the next day.

So it was, that was an eye-opener. And what struck me, I was like, why don't wrestlers and kickboxers or boxers know this? Because then suddenly, instead of always going off of the flexion of the leg, you could go off of the foot. You would tell what you're doing less to your opponent and you would be just a little bit faster. Because you wouldn't have to lose the time to bend and then move forward.

So instead of pushing, you could pull. That's much faster. And there's no telltale sign. So I'm amazed that in Jiu-Jitsu, wrestling, MMA, they do not see that. But that's because I think when you see the sprinters train, you think you understand what they're doing, but actually you don't.

And unless you train like them, you don't understand what they're doing. They're moving way too fast, you can't tell what the hell's going on. It's a bit like Olympic weightlifting. You think you know what they're doing. No, you don't. So sprinters, they go, you go like, oh, you move your feet fast. And you don't realize the amount of stuff that they actually do because they're just so good. They're so amazing. And by the way, if you're not a sprinter, you're not a sprinter. I can tell you that right now. I don't care how

much you're going to work at it. I suck. Not a sprinter. I like that you said it's not running fast at it, I suck. Not a sprinter. I like that you said it's not running fast because it's not related to jogging. No. It's not related to running and it's not related to even running fast. No, no, no. It's a different category. Completely.

They're pulling. A different exercise. Yeah, completely. So right away with Graham, she could tell, she's a long distance runner. Like the dude had to take five steps and she was like, long distance runner. Like the dude had take five steps and she was like long distance runner. Nerd! So that was why I am calling her. I'm just saying Sorry Graham. That's what she said But by the way, she could tell because he sits too much

She's doing this he's doing that and it's true when they were running next to each other right away you go like Oh, it's not the same sport Interesting. Yeah, you guys don't like, he leans forward because he wants to control his fall where she's completely upright. Because you can't pull unless you're completely upright. So sprinters are upright. Whereas anybody who runs leans forward

because you're catching. She's upright and her knees go forward so much that it looks wrong almost. Completely. A little bit until she gets to full speed and you're like, that looks amazing. I'll show you a video of me while she's teaching me. I look entirely retarded.

I'm trying to do the thing with the knees forward. Me looking in going like, never show that video to anybody. And this will not happen. Like it took me, I just, I can't process the knees forward. Like they say, like don't be in the past. So they never let their heel go back.

But then how the hell do you run? Their heel comes up and not necessarily back. They never back. So when they do broad jumps or even long jumps, they never actually, their heels don't go past the line. They stay in front. And that's the big difference with fast running. You'll see the person's feet

going behind the body quite a bit. You see Elliot Kipchoge, fucking hauling ass. You'll see his feet behind him. But when you see Lusane Bolt, you see him pulling his foot under his butt almost. Yeah, almost at the level of the hammy. You know what, we all want to kick our own ass. The sprinters, no, they're not here.

They're actually way forward when they hit the hammy more than they hit the glute level. And so, but again, even when she does broad jumps, she never breaks the line, which I did not at all honestly, like I'm not that bad of an athlete, but it took me an hour to go like, how do I do this? Because I realized I was actually using my upper body and arching. And so I was always going this way where how she never arched, she's always never breaks the line and yet has a great broad jump forward. I was like, all right, never arches, she's always never breaks the line. And yet has a great broad jump forward.

I was like, all right, I don't, what's happening? I'm in a twilight zone. Like, you know what I mean? This is that moment where like, I don't understand. Oh yeah, when she jumps, yeah, she has those things where. Like she doesn't load up. Yeah, she never, so she never loads back. You know what I mean? When she fully extend, we all do this where we arch.

Look, she's never gonna arch. Right. Neutral spine. Yeah, I was like, but you can't. I mean, I can't. So if I can't, no one can. That's how the rule works. So, and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

So I did it and I thought I tore my quads the first time because suddenly I was actually using my legs. I don't have any legs, so that explains a lot. But suddenly I was like, and again, my low abs and everything, I was like, I can't use my back. If I can't use my back, I don't have anything. So I was like, what do you mean? So that explains why I can't jump.

I thought of being white. But so the way she was doing it was, I was like, I don't understand. This is white belt Jiu-Jitsu. I was like, I don't understand. This is White Bell Jiu-Jitsu, where I was like, I don't understand which way, how you're moving, how you're doing what you do in such a relaxed state. So that was a lit in life, tremendous learning experience was sprinting. It didn't have the effects obviously Jiu-Jitsu had, but from a pure coach perspective, like technician, everything,

sprinting was one of those moments in my life where as professionally at least, one of the biggest one where I'm like, everyone needs to know this. But the problem is you look at it, you don't know what you're looking at. So unless you've done it enough, you go like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I can, you know, I know what they're doing. I'll do it on the side twice a week, don't worry. So we give them drills and everybody fucks it up because it's, it's hard. It's not, the problem is that it's not what you think it is. So you have an entire visualization of running in your head that is wrong because you jog. And they don't.

They don't. It's doing, you know, like it's raining reindeer. Remember in CrossFit, like the, what they call a snatch. It's not a snatch. It's a muscle snatch extension of the spine and they just extend with a trice snatch. It's not a snatch. It's a muscle snatch extension of the spine and they just extend with a tricep. That's not a full snatch. So you're calling it a snatch.

But if you do that, you're not learning to snatch. You're just learning a flexion extension of the spine with an extension of the tricep at the top. That's not, they just call it a snatch. So it's the same people with sprinting. People have that word in mind. But what they're doing is, Randy, they're not doing an Olympic lifting shoe

on web mags with 200 kilos. That's the issue. Andrew, can you bring up that clip from Brad Kern? We had one of our friends on the show, Brad Kern, and he was explaining how these particular runners, Jacob Ingerbrigtsen, I think is his name, I'm saying that right, and he talks a little bit about lactate and anaerobic threshold.

I know that's something that you talk about a lot. So it'd be cool if we can kind of get your thoughts on what was said here. So just he'll play it here in a second and just react to it when it's over with. Methods are really novel and super interesting. What's he doing? You know, like you have this sense of what a distance runner does and they go out and run a hundred miles a week and they're always running and they, and what him and his brothers do they're trained by their father who was completely unschooled in athletics.

He just studied. He was like a, you know, regular guy engineer and studied from all the greats and put together these pro this programming. Jacob's older brother, Henrik, is 10 years older than him, so he was the first to kind of immerse into this unique training. They run right near anaerobic threshold all the time almost. And so they're running these, what you would call hard workouts, often twice a day. But it's right at this pace, the threshold is the term, and that means it's right before

you would plunge into lactate accumulation, which would make your muscles burning and you'd have to stop. And then they've thrown out a lot of the easy stuff, but they never exceed this capacity in training. Right. So yes and no. First of all, no, the muscles are not burning because of lactate. No, and there is no such thing as lactic acid in the human body. Lactic acid is broken down into lactate and an iron right away. So you understand, as a liquid, lactic acid would be at a pH of 3.2, 3.4. So you can imagine that it cannot run through your veins. So there's no lactic acid, it's only lactate, first of all.

There is a threshold that is talking about, yes, but it's not an aerobic threshold. And lactate is a proxy to that threshold, but it's not the culprit of that threshold. So for example, lactate can be produced aerobically. By the way, none of this is mine. There's a guy named George Banks studying that. He posted the theory of like the lactate shallow theory in 1980. So it's been around for a while. You would think it would cross over. It didn't. So it's not aerobic threshold with lactate production or whatever. That doesn't mean what he says is wrong. I'm just talking about the terms being used that are incorrect, but what he's talking about, yeah,

the guy is at a threshold where there is about to be a massive increase in lactate accumulation. Right? So accumulation can happen from two reasons. Either it's not being ejected process or whatever, or you're producing a shit ton more. Both would get accumulation. That idea of an Arabic threshold is like, because there is not enough oxygen coming in, you're not processing the lactate, because the lactate is a waste product, right? That it can be processed with oxygenation. And therefore, at that moment in, you're not processing the lactate because the lactate is a waste product, right? That it can be processed with oxygenation. And therefore, at that moment, because you're right at that threshold, the creation of lactate

surpasses your capacity to process it. Right. That's anaerobic threshold. So, first of all, lactate can be produced aerobically in the brain, in the heart or stuff like that. So, no, actually has nothing to do with anaerobic. We thought, so it started in 1920, where a German biologist was studying glycogen.

He wanted to see how glycogen ended up in lactate. So he stocked a frog leg with an electrode and saw production of lactate. So then obviously lactate is a waste product that is created in an anaerobic situation. Right, but there was another conclusion that could have been made that it didn't, is that by creating the muscle contracting like that, there was a need for more fuel being created. And that fuel was not being dissipated because you lack the rest of the frog, which was a

problem. So that's where the in vitro versus in vivo studies are very important because in vitro like in your frog leg you're gonna create something right but that's functional segregation. You dissociate things into parts so you can study them right but if you don't put them together yeah it doesn't do anything so for example you know Da Vinci had those those things that he used where you know you have one cog going left, the other one going right, and at the end, you have something going up and down.

You've seen those, right? The Da Vinci models. I think so. Anyway, so basic engineering, right? So if you take one cog and you don't use that, it's going left, it doesn't tell you what the whole system does. So that's a little bit the problem

when they start to study lactate. Is this one thing and make conclusion based on that without seeing the whole picture? So we did a study bit the problem when they start to study lactate. Is this one thing and make conclusion based on that without seeing the whole picture? So we did a study with one of my coaches. I find he did it with his marathon runners where we put them through state sprints and we would measure lactate. And there is that moment that threshold at which the lactate shoots up. The thing I was trying to show is that what, so I don't really like threshold.

What if, if it's just production of fuel that is starting uncontrollably. So why could that happen? Well, maybe because, so I'm going to cut it short. A threat is being detected. So therefore the energy production goes up tremendously. You have to understand that lactate is produced through glycolysis, right? So the end product of glycolysis is not pure ovate, it's lactate. This is where they're going to lose their shit on the comments, all my would-be biologists.

But I'm not saying this, I can show you the studies that say that, it's not me. Anyway, so lactate being a fuel, not a waste product. So with that idea and others, the body being predictive and not reactive, I'm like, all right, so what if at that moment of threshold is when the mind goes to shit? We go from basically fight to flight. And so there's a threat to the person, therefore fuel is being produced at a higher level, like a panic attack, a physiological panic attack of sorts.

But it's okay, so what we did is we measure right at that moment and we started to look at pupil dilation and we asked the people, how did that feel? And to the T, all of them, at that moment. And we started to look at pupil dilation and we asked the people what, how did that feel? And to the T, all of them, at that moment, the workout went from being you hunting the workout to you being hunted by the workout. You know that feeling, right? When you know you're losing. This is where we saw the lag tape popping up. So my idea was what if it's just production of energy, extra production of energy, because the threat requires it. You have to identify your threat that requires you dealing with it, hence a greater,

like a, not a panic button, but an afterburner button, a fuck it button, and that would be the lactate production. That makes sense, because the threat goes, and then if the threat is too high, then you go into freeze. Yeah. And then from there you go into freeze. Yeah. And then from there, you go into panic attack again. So the freeze would be like, you know, 18%, sorry, 18 millimole or 24 if you're trained, then you crash correctly. So what he would be doing with that workout

is taking you to the threat level, where you're about to lose the workout, but you never do. So what do you do? You get confident as an exposure therapy to push your nervous system always a bit further without going into that extra production that has its own cost. So the problem is when you go into hyperlactatemia or in that case like a high production of lactate is of course energy production kind of come as a cost and acidity is one of them. So lactate is

a proxy for acidity but there is no such thing as lactic acidosis in that sense. So if you look at it from a nervous system perspective, if you were to train right at that threshold, you would allow to push how much pain you can take. That's La Fontaine. You can beat me, but you're going to bleed doing so. So that workout makes complete sense to me. That's what I do with the thread all the time, but you cannot lose. So we're going back to the Iman, in a way, idea. So that threshold workout, I agree with completely. We're gonna get you there,

and you're gonna learn to push, winning all the time, so that you can push further and further and further into your reserves, into going there. So it's resilience of the nervous system. We're going back to the same idea. And I think lactate is a proxy to tell us how we react to that point of loss. I think it's awesome all the work that you're doing for autism and PTSD. My friend Andy Triana, Ghost Superbrain on social media. He's

also doing some work so maybe we can connect you guys. We love that. I got a couple other friends that are into that kind of stuff. I would love to show them what we saw. Yeah, where can people find you? Where can they learn more about what you're doing? Instagram, StrongFit1, because I'm not on social media anymore. I'm trying to back off more and more. So we'll put more stuff about the autism,

we'll have, because we're opening gyms to be able to do this with my partner. So when he, but basically StrongFit1 on Instagram and I'll try to keep everybody in touch about that stuff. Because you know what interests me is we're trying to build more gyms because each gym is 120 families on average. We can help, so that's really the point.

So those studies are great, but it's toward helping the families. So that's what we're trying to do. Do you have any online education at all? Or no? Yeah, on the mentoring program, but we're developing that better as well. Okay.

So I, because with UCLA, they're gonna most likely help us get a, to use their platform so that we can develop a certification toward all of that, because we need coaches, obviously. And so I'm trying to develop in that sense. I suck at structure. So UCLA is gonna help greatly doing that.

Let's put it this way, because I'm more conceptual, obviously. So you know, with the 7 stuff, that means that I'm really good at finishing incomplete patterns. It also means I cannot finish things. So people that know me know that. Yeah, at 80%, I'm done. So do you know why it kills me is competitions. Because I can never prep the last six weeks because I'm done already, because the pattern is completed. So I cannot finish things. It kills everybody that knows me. Like they all know.

So structure is always a problem. Plus I'm chaotic, but that's mostly that because I know I'm good. No, no, no, no. You haven't done it yet. It's like, yes, I have. It's all good. Those are not the joys you're looking for. It's all good.

So yeah. So anyway, but yeah, so we're trying to develop Jim. So I'll have all this, we just, it's going to be this year. Right? We have, cause once the studies, the problem is everything that I talk is you have to prove it. It's good to have concepts and ideals, but it's not enough. You have to put it on the table, prove it. So we're developing all that machine learning

and all that testing so that we can have that proof of concept studies, so we can move people, not just us in that direction and then hopefully help. Because honestly, like for whatever reason, autism is completely, no one takes care of the community. It's just, it's push aside. Even the medic, I don't think they can make money off of it. So it's kind of pushed aside this, they have some drugs, but they don't really work and it's really not looked at, even though the population is

increasingly expanding. And if you see people in San Francisco, a lot of the kids of those people are starting to develop, you know, autism early. You would think they'd be more and more and more money toward that. And yet it's a field that is really not looked into because we still, there's a lot of stuff, so much stuff we don't know. And that's what this research to me is important, is we need to start first with a hypothesis before we can prove it.

Right? And the problem is still at the hypothesis phase, and very few people want to risk going in that direction. Because you look like a fool when you're wrong. I don't have that problem. Keep that work cranking, because it's needed. Strength is never weakness, weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye. Bye.