Mark Bell's Power Project - Train Your Brain to Run Faster | The Uberzati Method

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

In this episode of Mark Bell’s Power Project, we talk with the team behind Uberzati and Z-Treadz (Beau Chavez & Tim Stockton) about the science of speed and why most athletes train it wrong. The system focuses on teaching the brain and body to move faster through precise sprint protocols and incline running.If you want to see the workout we did on the treadmill earlier in the day, check out the video on our second channel.Follow:https://www.ubrzati.com/https://www.youtube.com/@UCY0cSgGSamemKknkOwSMpOQ https://www.instagram.com/ubrzati.official/https://www.instagram.com/ztreadz/?hl=enSpecial perks for our listeners below!🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK/TRT/PEPTIDES! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com and use code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off Self-Service Labs and Guided Optimization®.🧠 Methylene Blue: Better Focus, Sleep and Mood 🧠 Use Code POWER10 for 10% off!➢https://troscriptions.com?utm_source=affiliate&ut-m_medium=podcast&ut-m_campaign=MarkBel-I_podcastBest 5 Finger Barefoot Shoes! 👟 ➢ https://Peluva.com/PowerProject Code POWERPROJECT15 to save 15% off Peluva Shoes!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM?si=JZN09-FakTjoJuaW🚨 The Best Red Light Therapy Devices and Blue Blocking Glasses On The Market! 😎➢https://emr-tek.com/Use code: POWERPROJECT to save 20% off your order!👟 BEST LOOKING AND FUNCTIONING BAREFOOT SHOES 🦶➢https://vivobarefoot.com/powerproject🥶 The Best Cold Plunge Money Can Buy 🥶 ➢ https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!!➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!

Speed is the ultimate skill for anybody to have. It's not really about the treadmill. Yeah, we built this spaceship. But at the end of the day, this is just a tool. The protocols were the crown jewels. Our job is to make them a better moving athlete. Your brain is a governor. Survival is the brain's primary function.

Your physical body is capable of so much more than your brain wants to allow it to do. You have two options. You either do it or you don't. You can override the brain speed limit. What's up Power Project family? Before we get into this podcast with Zetretz, the creators of the world. first high performance treadmill. And when I say high performance, the guy who created this thing

was an aerospace engineer. And then he decides to create the spaceship of treadmills. I want to tell you guys about a workout we did with them that's on the second channel. So after you finish this podcast, go on and check out the workout we did with them. And the last thing I want to say is this. If you're a professional team, if you're a college team, if you're a high school gym that wants to level up the way that your athletes train and build speed, this is what you want to get your hands on. Okay? Let's get into the show. All right. Uber Zaddy guys. The Z treadmill guys. The treadmill. The most expensive treadmill on earth. Yeah. I don't think that's true. Really? That's not true. No, definitely not true. How? What could be better? Or what could be

more expensive? We didn't say better. We said more expensive. True. True. I think there are some of that costs more. We're going to get into a lot of cool stuff. We're going to talk about how to get fast. We're going to talk about how to get your brain, your central nervous system wrapped around getting faster. But Tim, can you maybe just kind of kick some of this off and tell us how this idea of this treadmill got started? Hopefully some of the people have seen the Z treadmill on my Instagram. But if they haven't heard it before, like let's give them the rundown of how this thing got started. Yeah, I think for starters, you know, the biggest takeaway is, you know, the biggest takeaway is, it's not really about the treadmill.

We view the tread as a, yeah, we built a spaceship, right? You know, if you're going to do it, do it right. But at the end of the day, this is just a tool, it's just a device. I say we're not in the business of selling treadmills. In fact, we turn down facilities that just want the tread. Really? Because we're in this for Uber Zaddy. All right.

So for us, it's the system. It's what do we do with a treadmill? it's Bo's life's work, I like to say, as the, you know, the developer of the protocols. Yeah, you guys are like brothers on this. You guys are, you guys are tight. Well, and there's, you know, there's more than just us too, right? Dario is also a partner. It's the Holy Trinity. And then you have our staff.

Without all of it, none of it exists. Uber Zadi was founded based on, you know, what I did with Dario in the garage. right? We played some baseball together and I started training with him and took my daughter to run with Dario in the garage. And high performance treadmills are something that affected his life when he was in college, transformed him. So I saw what, you know, the impact it had on my daughter and you're talking instantaneous results, right? And we can get into the science behind what is the essence of Uber Zaddy. So, you know, I felt what it did to me. A few sessions, you feel light, you feel explosive. okay, what is the explanation for this?

From my standpoint, I needed to understand that more. And having just sold an aerospace engineering company where I was in the world of fly-by-wire flight controls and just, you know, now pseudo-retirement, I said, you know what, we got to get this out of the garage and go impact the community. What you're doing here needs to get out of the garage. And, you know, he already had a relationship with Bo.

they were in this world of high performance treadmills and beau has an extensive history in in developing these protocols uh and he can talk to you more about that lineage very interesting right so he's like uh i said here's what we're going to do right and my ode to dario who is the Croatian sensation he's full-blooded Croatian you have to meet him i mean if we were going to redo this he would he wanted to be here with us today we're we're missing you missing him already. Does he have an Instagram we pull up or something? No, no Instagram. It's all. Yeah, it's all Uberzotti. I like it. Okay. We are Uberzadi. I guess is the best way to put it. But I came up with Uberzadi. It is Croatian for speed and acceleration. And I drew the logo, hand sketched

the logo that you see on a napkin, gave it to Dario to give to his wife who drew the logo. She's a graphic designer. She created the logo. So this is Roots family. That is how Uberzati was born. We need all three of us together contributing what we are going to contribute to bring this out into the world, and that's what exists today. Now, the evolution of the Z-Tread is just a vehicle to deploy Ubersati. I knew that the protocols were the crown jewels, but it needed to be automated. So that's where I applied my background and relationships with building this in. into a software system that controls a Treadnought.

And this has evolved into the ability to measure an athlete speed with ground-based timing, these laser timing systems that now have APIs that we automatically connect to the cloud that is connected to our system and speed becomes the input for programming the protocols. So now every. at every incline for every specific duration that is hitting your six to eight second anaerobic energy

system at a level that is consistently pushing the limit of what your brain believes to be how safe you can move i had a call timeout here bow did you think that a treadmill would be something that could work with your background before you knew about tim and maybe before like maybe there was a time before you knew about treadmills because most people will have conjecture against the treadmill it's not the same it's pushing your foot back and people listening like i don't have access to this nice treadmill and so on but we'll get into a lot of things that the people at home can do to have great benefit but were you skeptical in the beginning about the usage of treadmills or what were your thoughts

okay well you got to go back to the it goes back to the beginning right the history is so we all immerse ourselves in what we do we got to get you a little closer to the So it goes back. So I had never been exposed to the treads until I got to Alaska. So that's kind of like the start of it, right? So I get up to graduate in college, move up to Alaska just for adventure, really. Start working. I had a degree in health and human performance.

Start working in a little, you know, athletic club. Not going to really do a lot of working outside in Alaska. No, that's the whole essence, right? So the cool thing about it is I start training. a hockey player at this athletic club for performance and for speed. And the father approaches me, he's like, hey, I've got a friend of mine who has told me about this treadmill system, and they want to start it and start a company to start training hockey players off the ice.

Hockey players called Dryland, and part of that system was a high-performance treadmill. And so in college, you study things, but you don't, you learn, you learn X's and O's, you know, reps and sets, physiology, anatomy, that kind of stuff. But, you know, you never really apply it. And so I get up to Alaska and I meet a guy by the name of Stevie McSwain, who was the first pro hockey player to come out of Alaska. And he has this idea about a company who builds a high speed, high speed, high-performance hockey treadmill, but on the other side of it, they build a high-performance treadmill built by a guy by the name of John for Pyr. And so I helped start a company called

Acceleration Alaska. It doesn't exist anymore, right? But the essence of it was this high-performance treadmill. And so I begin to immerse myself in the system, and I go down to North Dakota, which is where everything that you see today and Uber Zadi, it all has like a beginning and it was with the guy by the name. Are you in areas that are so cold? Well, here's the thing, right? It's one of these things where it was like, why the hell did you go to Alaska?

The cool thing about it is I don't have an answer for that. I just wanted to go and see and do things, right? It's an explorer. Yeah. The hunting and the fishing was a big part of it, right? So it was like, okay, why'd you go? I don't know. That makes a lot of sense.

So it's one of those stories that you have, you know, it just got married. We had a 1996 F-150 that I'd bought for my father and literally just packed everything we could in the back of the truck and literally drove up to Alaska. No house, no family, no friends, no job, right? Does your wife like hunting and fishing? At the time she did, it was an ex-wife, right?

But at the time, yeah, she was a big hunter and fisherman. Grew up on a ranch in New Mexico. So it was like, yeah, let's just go up. I don't even have a rhyme or reason. So long story short, we drive all the way up to Alaska And, you know, just like any story, right? I happened to start training a little hockey player whose father had a friend who had this idea of opening a facility to train hockey players dry land. And lo and behold, the performance treadmill was there.

And so long story short, I got to work with John for Pyr on a large scale level. We got to meet him a lot, got to go down to North Dakota, learn from him. He's my mentor. Tim says, you know, everybody has a mentor, right? So this gentleman by the name of John Friperer becomes my mentor and teaches me about, you know, speed development on these treadmills. And once again, I immerse myself into running on these treadmills, had no prior knowledge to it. You didn't learn about it at school, nothing like that. And lo and behold, I become the athlete at 23 that I really was trying to be at 18, 19, 20, and 21. And so, you know, we wish we had this when we were.

Exactly. What makes the treadmill unique? Like what makes it optimal to be able to produce, not even your treadmills, let's say, just treadmills in general, if they can buy into some of the information that you guys are collecting with the style of training that you're doing, why would a treadmill be a little bit,

maybe even superior in some ways to flatland? Goes about. You want to, I mean, I'll let's, I call them the sense, say, right? I respect his history and related to all of this. And in the last seven years, as with anything, the way I operate is, you know, I take everything as a hypothesis. This is new territory for me. I want to experience it myself. I want to challenge every bit of it. And whatever shakes out, shakes out. I don't create, there's no identity bias. There's no, you know, I got to hold on to

this thought or philosophy. I go in it and I just try to immerse myself in what people know today. And what can I learn along the way? So, you know, Bo is going to have his theories on, you know, what it is, why it works. I have theories. And there's a lot of alignment there. But, you know, he can probably best answer it. And then mine should be looked at as non-expert just based on what I believe, based on what I've seen, what I've felt, and what I think I know. Gotcha.

Well, it goes back to the, you immerse yourself into it. And so I will give a, you know, so here's what happened and why I decided to do what I decided to do. And I can probably answer it better that way. And so in college, I got to college by way of baseball. So I went from northern New Mexico to Indiana to a little school to play baseball. Well, by the time I got to the spring season, I got cut. and it just wrecked me, wrecked me mentally more than anything, right? Confidence-wise, right?

I was like, I mean, I thought I was the shit, right? But when you get to college, which you don't understand is everybody's good, right? I just wasn't prepared. And so I told myself, okay, how can I learn to teach athletes or to teach kids who are like me from little towns, right, to become faster and to be better athlete? right well when i got to alaska i found that answer through prepare and so i start immersing myself in running the system right or running the for peer method and holy shit low and behold right i become the athlete that i needed to be at 18 and 19 years old to be able to be effective as an athlete when i got to college and so it goes back to is it enhanced my ability so much so fast that i knew

there was something to it. And so then you go back down and you start learning from prepare and he's teaching you. And I don't think we need to get too deep in the science of, you know, the physiology of what, what speed is and what speed is and how you can become faster on a performance treadmill. Right. But from a, from my standpoint, it changed me mentally and it motivated me and it became kind of like a passion of mine. Right. To be like, holy shit, if I can become this athlete and teach myself, then I know there's a way and a system that we can deploy to train athletes just like me who don't have a Mark Bell or don't have me or don't have all these high-end trainers to teach them how to be stronger or faster.

So the whole point was my passion was, okay, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to learn as much as I possibly can from John for Pyrr. And then I'm going to apply it, okay, to my system at that time up at Acceleration, Alaska. And lo and behold, I start doing all this cool stuff with hockey players. And then that's where really the essence of Uber Zadi begins. It wasn't Uber Zadi. It was, you know, at first it was, you know, Friper, what I learned from for Pira Pira,

then it turned into Bo Chavez performance. And the Bo Chavez performance turned into Uber-Zadi. Right? And then that's where Tim's like, man, there's something to these protocols. As he calls them the crown jewels, right? For me, it was literally, I sat down over a probably a, two-year period and mapped out and wrote a 500-page manual by hand and typed it out, right, with Excel and all this.

And Tim's like, we have to automate this, right? Because it was like, hey, I want the system. All right, how do I get this system? How do I become faster? All right. Call Bo, right? And Bo is going to come out and he's going to hand you a 500-page, handwritten, copyrighted manual of an eight-week periodized approach on how to use a high-performance

tribe though right and that's when tim comes into play yeah and you're talking you know multiple levels of eight weeks of speed development periodization so you can imagine how cumbersome that was right it even if i think about it now i say okay uh mechanical flight controls versus what i did in a past life which was verify fly-by-wire flight controls it's the automation and the use of computers and algorithms and rhythms to control an aircraft or in this case control the learning curve of an athlete. There's like 70,000 planes in the air or something like that I heard at the same time. And interestingly, I sold my company and got out of the business right before the 737 max. So we worked on almost every aircraft up until the 737 max, which, you know, if you go Google that,

you'll see they had quite a few issues with their fly-by-wire flight control. Because you left. Matt, I'm not saying. I'm just saying I got out maybe at the right time. We just have to make athletes fast. Tim had to keep airplanes from falling out of the sky. It was a big difference. Right.

And I'd say even more importantly, you know, a transition that led to the opportunity to work with these guys and do what we do today. It's a very mission-driven passion project. Absolutely. The ability to impact the youth athletes is something that, in terms of, of motivation to do what you do. And like I tell the staff, you can challenge what I'm about to tell you. Go search the globe and tell me someone that is doing what we're doing today.

Go find it. I haven't seen it. Look at the Zitred. Look at Uber Zaddy. Look at the impact that you have on these athletes every day as coaches as mentors. And Seema, I know that you had like the first time that you ever. went on it. It seemed like you were, you were pretty amazed, you know, and you were like, man, that input. And that's the exact word I used the first time I ever used the first time.

You took me through it. And I even had an injury. But I was like, man, that input just felt so different. It felt it's hard to like put it into words, but it felt like really clean input, uh, without any sort of junk and without anything that was going to be really difficult for me to recover from. It's kind of what I was feeling. Is that in your first video there? Uh, this is, uh, That's the first time we ever did it. That's first, that's not me. That's our friend's Harrell. But this is the first time we use the treadmill, at least me and the-

So the difference from what I see, what I saw with you today, Mark, versus that is, is light years ahead of, I mean, but that's the thing, right? Do I think you could have done that, you know, on the, you know, on the, you know, on a turf or up a hill or whatever? I don't think you could have. I think when you say the input and you fill the input and you see. see the input and someone's there telling you about the input, it just happens so much faster. I have a question. And then I have another question after this, but like, you know, we, we did some

inclines today and we'll definitely go into how we went about what we did today with you guys. But because, you know, people will see some of the incline stuff that we did. We'll probably have a companion video for this. So if you guys want to see that footage of what we did on the Z tread, that'll be attached and maybe we'll be able to have some video that pops up during the podcast. But why would an incline on this be different from an incline on a hill? Like, why would it be a potentially better input than just going and doing hill sprints? This is how I always answer it, because I got that question a lot. Early on, when we would go to these big coaches shows, right,

inevitably, old school coach would be like, we can just go outside and fucking run up a hill. Yeah, you could. Like, fucking Walter Payton did it. This guy, this guy. Barry Sanders did it. This guy did it. I mean, Jerry Rice did it.

Of course they did it. Okay, but it goes back to what I told you is we're trying to move the needle for for everybody. Not everybody can be Walter Pate. Not everybody can be, you know, as Tim says, what's best for the athlete? And I told you guys this today. How can we shift slow to moderately fast, moderately to fast and then fast to the fastest? Okay, yeah, you can go up outside. You can do all the, you know, the speed drills.

A slow person can't get better, can't get faster unless they, unless they touch upon the stuff that's a little bit tough, right? They need to find... Exactly. They've got to find that that other gear that we always talk about. But, you know, going back to that... I have a very specific theory.

Tim does. And the treadmill allows you to dial that in. I mean, I've seen it myself with strength and I've seen it myself with helping athletes become more explosive through doing box squats and different things. They just would not be able to... It's not that they couldn't, like, get it.

They could get it, but they weren't able to actually express it. Exactly. until they were able to like feel it in some way. So you're like, how do I get this person to feel this? And then you're like, maybe I'll just have them jump. Like I would have people jump up on a box. And I would say, how did that feel to you? Like what did you feel you had to do?

And they're like, I don't know. I had to like jump up. And then I had to like bring my feet under me quickly. It's like, yeah, whatever the heck that is or whatever the heck that feels like. I want you to do that when you do this squat. You're going to go down and you're going to sit for half a second. And then I want you to boom, like explode up. That took them a while to understand.

That's the way the industry is going on. I mean, we can, you know, I don't think we want to get into VBT and velocity-based training, but that's what we're talking about, okay, is how fast, I mean, when you say, okay, I need you to move that bar this fast. All right, until you know how fast that is or you feel how fast that is, they're not going to move it. But when you can see it, you're standing there, okay, I want you to hit it. It's either red or it's green.

Green means you're good, okay? Go down to a box squat, come up, red. Okay, in your mind, like, fuck, I thought that was fast. No, it's not. Okay, I need more, okay? and you go down, you go up, bing, green, right? It's that kinesthetic awareness and immediate feedback that we need. So, I mean, to answer your question, because we're going down some rabbit holes,

which is cool, I love it, right? But go back to running up a hill. Yeah. Okay. A couple things, and Tim's going to answer it different than I do, but I'm going to answer it from what I've heard for the past 30 years, right, is I'll just run up a hill, right? It's just the same.

It's, okay, yeah, run. I always say this, nobody runs uphill wrong. Okay, when you're running uphill, you have to have a high, knee drive. You have to have a dorsal flexed foot. You have to kind of lean into it, right? And your mechanics are fairly solid. They're good, okay. But then you go back, okay, to what is speed? Stride length, stride frequency. So if I say, okay, line up your, I always tell us the coach, line up your 10 best guys at the bottom of that hill. We're going to sprint up this, you know, and one, find a 25% great hill. Okay. That's the hill we need. Not easy to find. Not easy to find.

Not easy to find. Whatever it may be. Anyway, I want you to line up here. 10 best guys. You're hard, your hard charging guys, your strong guys, your fast guys. Let's line them up. and we're going to do 10 sprints up that hill okay sprint up that hill walk back down if you're truly trying to train speed okay you have to have that frequency and you have to have a specific length those two together okay enhance your speed okay so when you go up that hill right the first four or five may be really good okay seven eight not so much nine 10 all right you're fucking struggling now right by 10 okay what happens frequency goes down length goes down what are the two factors of speed length and frequency as soon as those

go down, you're done. With the tread, if I tell you, I need five reps or five sets, okay, and as hard as you can for six seconds, okay, you have two options. You either do it or you don't, and you saw it today. It's that other gear I talk about. Okay, I want you to run 25% incline, 10 miles an hour, six seconds as hard as you can. Go, right? Most good athletes are going to do it. Yeah. All you do is adjust the speed. Because I may have a guy that's a, you know, super fast guy. he can do 25% 11 miles an hour. Okay. Today's a perfect example based on what we saw outside, right?

You're 25% inclined at 11 miles an hour, okay, 11.7, whatever it is. Do it as hard as you can for, you know, say five reps. Perfect. You're going to do that. Yeah. Okay. If I take you outside, as soon as you start getting tired, what do you do? You fatigue.

You get tired. First thing it goes down is your frequency. Second thing, all right, comes length after that. Now you become slight. Then it becomes a conditioning drill, not a speed drill. Does that make sense? And that's also for some people, because I think some people might hear you say six seconds. They're like, why so short, right?

So can you just kind of basically? It's easy. So I always say this. What is an average play in football? Six seconds. Okay. What is an average play in volleyball? Six seconds.

Okay. What is an average play in picket sport? Soccer. Well, that's actually. Well, as soon as you, but here's the thing about soccer, right? is, and we can argue soccer a little bit, right? You get the ball right, you kick the ball, right? You sprint as hard as you can, and then you're chilling.

But when you get that ball, okay, or you have to go for a, you have to go chase the ball, it's as hard as you possibly can. Burst. Burst for how long? Six seconds. That's true. That's very true. And you do it over and over and over and over and over and over again for a total of 11 minutes

in a four quarter game. And a lot of what the protocols do, too, is in three speed capacity. Yep. Right. That upper limit, that upper threshold. So would you say that there's like almost like a bad input? Would you say like if you're on a regular hill and you're you're doing these seven, eight, nine, ten sets and you have this intent of speed, but you're losing some of the intent of what you're trying to do because you only had three or four sets that were moving as fast as you were talking about. I think as soon as you know,

has that turnover. As soon as you lose intent, you lose you lose the capacity for speed, right? Then it becomes a conditioning drill. I'm not saying it's bad. And that's not necessarily bad. That's not bad. Yeah, you're going to get conditioned. It's just different, right? It's like doing gasser's or, you know, 40s in football.

That's great. Is it making you faster? No, it's your conditioning. But that's, go ahead. The ability to recover between max intensity is so much we can go over. Using your aerobic system to recover. Yeah. Right.

So there's conditioning, moving slow, and then there's conditioning while moving fast and recovering between moving fast. You felt that today. Yes. Remember you were asking me? So there are two totally different approaches. And this is, you know, even Tony Holler, who's going to be at outside the box, you know, we've had calls where, you know, we like to challenge what we think we know.

And we had him review and just spend time with us and go through the protocols and get his input on, you know, concepts like burning the stake and how would this apply to sprint-based football and things he's having tremendous success with. that are contentious within the football world, which we love to live there. That's the whole point of outside the box. Challenge what you think you know. And if it shakes out and it holds water,

you might be on to something. So if you go back to difference between Hill Sprint and what we do, knowing that incline cleans up the mechanics and it has all of its benefits of just why you run on incline. Incline is key. My belief, and a lot of what I prescribe to

and why I'm behind it the way I am is if I ask you a question, what is, if you had to use one word to describe what the brain's primary function is for the human, what is it? One word. Okay, keep you safe. That's more than one.

Movement. Movement. For what purpose? Communicate. Keep thinking. What is the brain's primary function? I guess survival. Survival. Okay. So survival is the brain's primary function. Now, what is one of the things the brain is going to do to keep you alive if it thinks

you are getting beyond where you are capable of being safe and stay alive? It's going to limit you, right? A governor. Your brain is a governor. So, you know, my thought is the brain has a safety limit. And this is where, you know, one of my favorite analogies is the jar of fleas. okay they take a they take a jar and they fill it with fleas and instantly these fleas are physically capable of jumping well outside of the jar they are just jumping all over the place right what do

they do they put a lid on the jar they wait some period of time they come back they take the lid off the jar how high do they jump they don't nobody's jumping outside of the jar so if you go back and you say, are you physically capable of this level of a depth jump? Physically, you might be. You might not be. You need physical attributes to be able to do explosive things. We all know that. That's why the tread doesn't replace anything.

It enhances everything. Right? So if you can train your brain to believe, truly believe, you can't trick your brain. Your brain knows, right? You have to train your brain to say, this is my brain. new level of safety. This is my new speed limit. And now the physical capability that you're continuing to build, right? It's not like everything lives in isolation. This stuff is all happening. Your physical body is capable of so much more than your brain wants to allow it to do.

And this doesn't just apply to physical activity. Think about how good you feel when you run a new top speed. How good did it feel when we had you on the lasers and you were trying to hit 18 and then you exceeded 18? Yeah. That endorphin rush, that dopamine rush,

this gets into, you know, I'm fascinated by skill development, right? And the brains function, right? There's the basal ganglia, right? And the cerebellum and the role, like the motor cortex is what moves, but the basal ganglia is what

modulates. This is what gives you that vigorous, that burst, the, the, the, the, you have the direct pathways and the indirect pathways. The go is the direct. The no go is the indirect. And when those are synced up and modulated with optimal efficiency, now you get smooth. Now you take conscious thought and conscious motor function like you were trying to do in the warm up. How awkward did you feel in the warm up today? That's conscious thought. on a new skill, new coordination that will convert to unconscious muscle memory. That is the goal. So we're training the brain.

We're developing this capability of the basal ganglia and the cerebellum. Cerebellum is fine-tuning. Now it's like this is the feedback loop, right? Every little, when you're sprinting at full speed and you're on that trail, and you're getting that interaction from the coach that's queuing you. You've got the mirror for that kinesthetic awareness of the feel versus real. Everybody understands what kinesthetic awareness is. It's the body's ability to fill and see at the same time.

Okay. Okay. Which is really hard to duplicate on dry land. I don't want to break your concentration, but that's what kinesthetic is hearing and seeing and feeling at the same time. You repeat it over and over and over and over, right? Your body picks it up a lot quicker. moves a needle faster.

So this is the concept. When you think about skill development, if you had the ability, and this is why I call the Z-Tread a time machine, if you have the ability to concisely and precisely control how the athlete moves, this is moving better, faster. It is the motto and the mission of Uber Zaddy.

It is everything that we do. And the other athletes, aspect of this is you have to buy into not just the neural aspect and the CNS that everybody talks about it's this concept of the extracellular matrix right the ECM and how that is contributing to elastic and reflexive and dispersing forces laterally throughout the fibers so that the efficiency of the movement is now optimized right so So, you know, these are things. And, you know, I recently had a, or I should say we recently had a call with someone that I've wanted to talk to for years.

And I've always put at the top of the list for outside the box. I always give Bill a list. This is who we want to be there. And he has, you know, people he wants to be there. And we get the staff's input. Like, who do you want to be at outside the box? Who is going to stretch brains? Who thinks like we do?

Challenge the norm. And who thinks very differently than we do. And one of those people was Eugene Bleeker. You know, coming in baseball, softball background, he was someone that I was very interested to talk to. We were very fortunate to get on a call with him. One of his partners, Jose Rio, reached out to me, really interested in the treadmill, out of the blue.

I said, let's have a call. So we set up a call. calls me at like 10 o'clock at night. We had to cut that call off. I said, look, we could probably talk all night. Let's get some sleep, right? Like, you can just tell when like-minded people that are saying, oh, you know, their past history and the success that he's had

and doing what he's been doing and, you know, why we're doing what we're doing, a lot of synergy instantly. So he's like, I'm setting up, we're going to pull in Eugene. Eugene's the, you know, he's the head of 108 performance. Shout out to 108. Amazing things. I mean, these guys, they train Paul Skeens. So, but he is a scientist, experimenter, challenge everything.

Extremely articulate, very knowledgeable on human anatomy and how things work. And this concept of ECM is something that is clearly central to everything behind the uniqueness of his training. So we end up, you know, we do, it's set up for 30 minutes, over two. hours later we're still just rapping right and I mean it's like these are people that need to be together because if these forces align things happen that could never happen in isolation and we're all about collaboration toward evolution so you know just really fascinated by the things that he's doing very targeted at baseball softball I believe that what they're doing things that we incorporate as well This kind of stuff we see.

Apply to every sport. The kind of stuff we're seeing them doing the gym on some of these videos. It just looks like fun. And I think, you know, something I've been trying to communicate for a while, it just didn't have the right words and didn't really understand exactly what I was searching for. But what I've been searching for the whole time is I've always knew that there were some holes in strength training. I love strength training.

I love powerlifting. I love bodybuilding and powerlifting. I think there's aspects of it that you can keep forever. Like there's really no reason why you can't go to the gym. and get a good pump and do your three sets of 10 and so forth and do that until the day you die. I think it's awesome. But I always felt like there's something missing. And what I didn't understand was missing is an actual skill set.

Now, I'm not going to discredit bodybuilding or discredit powerlifting and say there's no skill set to it. Sure, there's some skill. There's a definite skill set to everything. Yeah, there's a skill set to it. But you're not really learning something that's a skill that really carries. over all that much into a lot of other things that you might be doing. Now, power lifting, you can make the case for, yeah, it's happening in the nervous system, and you are going heavier and you got bone density and you have things that are going to,

so I get it, but it's not the same as, you know, my dad called me the other day. He had a knee surgery recently and he doesn't have a very good range of motion in his knee. And he's like, oh, I went to the gym the other day and I did some leg press. I'm like, great, that's awesome. but I was like, let's get you some other exercises that help to build a skill because he's 77 or 78. And so let's talk about step ups and let's talk about, you know, you hear the word functional all the time, right?

Yeah. It's not so much about it just being necessarily functional, but it's about it being like a skill. Like, okay, stepping up, you have to step up. You have to step down. That's in your day to day. You have to get in and out of the car. You have to figure out a way if you fall and you're in your 70s. Like a lot of people get hurt.

Some people have situations that are even worse than that. You have to figure out ways to get up. You have to learn even just how to fall, right? And these are all, they're all skill-based things, rather than just focusing on the curls and the bench pressing and so on. You're actually trying to develop skill sets. And a lot of what you showed us,

a lot of the ground-based work that we did today, the drills and so forth that we did, I just kind of call them track drills. There's- So they're, I mean, a lot of them are based towards track. There's a lot of skill in there. And even when you're doing like, you know, this side to side motion of your, you know, stretching the groin and then you're, you know, turning around and all that kind of stuff. Well, think about that for your father, right?

Right. Okay. Normally, right, what is normal PT? Right. Everything is just step up, step down, sit down, sit up. Right. Squat, stand. Squat, stand. Right.

In day of life, you have to move sideways, right? Mm-hmm. So what if you just go sideways and have them turn backwards and have them turn the other way? and go sideways and you get different planes of motion in there. That is a skill. Walk sideways. Walk sideways. Walk backwards.

I mean, one thing too is we didn't even hit it today. It was going backwards on the tread. Retro. Yeah, retro. We call retro favorites. And I learned about that a long time ago. And when I learned about it, I was like, man, there's something to this, right? Because I had my athletes start going backwards on the tread, fast, you know, uphill.

High speed retro. High speed retro. Try it. Right. And people say, well, it's the same. It's, all it is is just the opposite. Like Tim's devious smile. Yeah, man. Just, just try it. Just step on and just turn around and go backwards and walk backwards and see what happens for most people. Even good athletes have a really hard time coordinating the pattern of going backwards. And when you get good, you're jumping on. Right. So you kind of build up. You're wiring. I don't have anything to be able to move in a way

It's just not used to. It's a central nervous system and it's a wiring system within the brain, right? It goes back to all the things we're talking about. Going backwards, right, actually will facilitate you being a better athlete moving forward. Okay, and then we do, and we even get into it today. And I've told you to do some what we call 360s going sideways backwards on the treadmill. Right? The reason it goes back to, you know, necessity is, you know, going sideways on the treader.

Like, why would you do that, right? It doesn't make any sense. But when you break it down physiologically, right? And the reason I started doing it was for hockey players. Because the long story short was I had a lot of pro hockey players up in Alaska. And that big, it was a big huge hockey treadmill. And the pro guys would get on there and it would run their blades on the hockey treadmill. Is he powering the treadmill with his lateral?

That's the speed. Yeah. So that's WEC. Right. Weck is adding in, you know. Oh, okay. But the cool thing about it, right, is, you know, the studies that we have done on lateral and retro movement, right? right, or what we call 360s, is very substantial, right, for hip development.

Okay? Lateral medial stability increases linear mobility. And also to add into that, there have been studies done on multidireional athletes that they tend to have more bone density in their lower legs than athletes who are just straight ahead. Straight ahead. Of course. It goes back to skill development, right? What's the big problem with, I don't think we really need to get in this, right?

but, you know, kids being a skilled athlete from five years old to, you know, the time they get burnt out or they quit, right? If you play one specific sport over and over again and you don't allow the athlete to experience and move in different ways in different sports, right? Technically, from the research, you're basically, you're going to end up getting hurt somewhere and somewhere or burnt out. I want to kind of ask you guys a question that's maybe a little different is like, so you guys have. have thousands of hours probably at this point. You guys have seen like hundreds of thousands of... I've seen everything. You've seen like...

Nobody's seen everything. Come on. You've seen a lot. Here's what I tell people, though, is I've... You're old, but you're not that old. I've seen so much, right? But the things that I've done wrong over the... I'm sure you're attested of this too, right?

Hey, Mark, cut them all. Is... I've never done anything wrong. You never done anything wrong? Right? But everything I've done wrong using a high-performance treadmill, right, is what you're what's made it so effective and so good now. Right.

But you've probably seen everything from like a five-year-old to like an 85-year-old. You guys have worked with so many different people. And I guess sometimes the question is, you know, if someone says, okay, hey, hey, man, you know, you got to get strong. And then what pops into my head is like, this is actually kind of a complicated conversation to have with like a 15-year-old kid that you're trying to get strong for football or something, right? What do I mean by strong?

Strong for what? And strong in what way? You know, so fast, right? You guys are talking about getting fast. Fast for what and fast in what way? Oh, okay. So one of the things that's essential for Uber Zaddy is really understanding who we are and what we do, right? You have to know what is your essence.

And our essence is speed power agility for sports performance. We only ever ask one question, what is best for the athlete? and we continually challenge that in a way that is healthy and productive. So that is taken into account the athletes. I know that you guys will train a lot of people on a treadmill in a particular workout, but still there's still thought being thought about in terms of what are mostly athletes lumped? You know, they put together. Is it like baseball people going?

Well, Taylor. Yeah, so we have mechanisms to Taylor. We do some sport specific. where we bring in experts, you know, right now we're running elite football, right? So we've got a guy that was several years in the NFL, working with Dylan, who's been with us from the beginning. And we marry all of their life experience into the programming for football athletes. And it's a three-day program, right? So day one is going to be speed, max velocity, a long.

with say max strength upper body. The only thing we never do, we never lift heavy lower and then sprint. Speed is always first. Sprint always has to be full health, always achieving what we like to say, the one o z, 102 percent. Everybody says one percent better.

I say one plus one percent is z percent, two percent. Okay, okay. So this is the next level. If you look at the guys that are training these athletes for combine prep, right? I've had conversations with several of what are the top guys that do this in the country. And I say, look, if you have four to six weeks, how much stronger are you going to get them? How much tendon stiffness are you going to get them? They're elite, right?

These guys are strong. They're springy. You're going to teach them technique and the difference maker that you can make. is you can override the brain speed limit to say there are new levels of how fast the brain will allow these bodies that are capable of so much more than the brain is allowing them to do to achieve. And we can do that in one session, two session, three session. That happens almost instantly. The other aspect of overriding the brain is triggering the fight or flight mechanism.

Now, while the ECM and the reflexive has everything to do, especially at max velocity, the ability to apply that force in a way that in a way that will i totally lost my train of thought okay just think about it yeah yeah just part of the reason i ask that question is just because i'm thinking like you know speed is speed and obviously the sport does matter like playing soccer and there's some different depending on the position you play in soccer and get an all these things. There's agility and all other things, right? Just trying to get that nervous system.

That's, that's, is what you guys are mainly after. Tim, yeah, that's what it. Tim will say we're, we're sport agnostic.

And so when we talk about, I think you're talking about, uh, sport specific. Okay. Are you a softball player? Do we train all softball players one way? Then we baseball players one way,

football players in one way and volleyball players one way, right? To me, and I've said this forever is, you have to be, fast and powerful and agile in any sport. It doesn't matter what it is. It goes back to central nervous system development. If we can teach the brain to fire the muscles at a higher rate of force,

it doesn't matter what sport you play. If you want to get specific, okay, most of the time these kids are doing so much, okay, they're hitting, right, they're throwing, that's specific. Our job is to make them a better moving athlete. If we make them a better moving athlete and they are faster than they're performance is going to be better. And if their performance is better as an athlete, then their skill gets better. Everybody has it ass backwards. Okay, we're going to go to a throwing coach and we're going to go to a hitting coach. And that's all we're going to do to make you a better athlete.

That's the most, in people's mind, you know, it's like, okay, I'm going to buy you a $700 baseball bat, right? Because that's going to make you a better hitter. If you don't know how to move that bat with efficiency and velocity, right, by teaching the central nervous system to fire properly the proper sequence, that bat ain't going to make you any better. It's just not. Okay? Does that answer the question in a way? All right, if I want to train somebody to squat 500 pounds,

am I going to get them under the bar and have them squat 500 pounds? Okay, until they can squat 500 pounds? There's a way and a progression to do it, right? That's the same thing with speed. But for us, speed is the ultimate skill for anybody to have. If you're fast and you're able to move with efficiency, you're going to be stronger in the weight room. And if you become stronger in the weight room

because your central nervous system is firing better, you're going to be stronger and faster on the field, period. I want to give people just a little bit of context for kind of what we did today. So some of the stuff that we're talking about can be understood in practice. First, you were talking about the warm up. What do most people get wrong actually about warming up?

Because I think the funny thing is, you know, a lot of people just do some lake swings and a few things. But you took us through something that by the end, everyone was estranged. So most warm-ups are very basic and very, there's no intent to them. Right? It's the intention of the warm-up. It's the queuing of a warm-up.

It's like I told you guys, we're going to start with basic movement. Yeah. Okay. You know, toe up, you know, toe swipes is what I call it. We'll have some video going for this too. Yeah, you go from a nice, easy movement, right? Then you progressively become a little bit more. Yeah, we're reaching down.

Reach down. Most kids will start with, all right, we're going to do straight-lake kicks, right? Frankensteins or whatever they call them, right? So, I mean, that's the first thing they do. Well, that's a very ballistic, very fast-moving exercise. You can't just necessarily start with that. You've got to start, you have to prep the central nervous system, right? And there's a, it's just like anything, a dynamic warm-up or a warm-up should be pattern

and should be taught specifically. It didn't necessarily have to be sports-specific. You can make it some sports-specific. Yeah. But overall, all we want you to do is. is move better. Want to learn something new? What's that?

The best way to warm up your body is through your arms. Sure. So that's a, that's a decent way to fly. It's just the best and fastest way to get your heart rate up. Oh. It's just through your arms. So literally just moving your arms.

Did you see how everybody's arms are moving today? Once, it's the arms. I don't know. I've heard that before. You're right. To an extent, as long as you're moving,

right, your heart rate's going to get up, right? But is that movement of your arm pattern, conducive and equal to what you're doing in lower body. No, but you'll see a lot of kids. It's a good start, right? But you'll see some kids do same arm, same leg.

A lot of coordination. A lot of coordination. So that's what all that movement is. And we'll give credit to the people who are due credit is, you know, like I said, and I was talking with somebody at the shop today is, okay, we incorporate the Kula Z stuff. I will never go to a doctor ever again about my general health. and all they want to do is put you on pills. Really well said there by Dana White.

Couldn't agree with them more. A lot of us are trying to get jacked and tan. A lot of us just want to look good, feel good. And a lot of the symptoms that we might acquire as we get older, some of the things that we might have, high cholesterol or these various things, it's amazing to have somebody looking at your blood work as you're going through the process,

as you're trying to become a better athlete, somebody that knows what they're doing. They can look at your cholesterol. They can look at the various market. that you have and they can kind of see where you're at and they can help guide you through that. And there's a few aspects too where it's like, yes, I mean, no, no shades of doctors, but a lot of times they do want to just stick you on medication. A lot of times there is supplementation that can help with this. At Merrick Health, these patient care coordinators are going to also look at

the way you're living your lifestyle because there's a lot of things you might be doing that if you just adjust that, boom, you could be at the right levels, including working with your testosterone. And there's so many people that I know that are looking for, they're like, hey, should I do that? They're very curious. And they think that testosterone is going to all of a sudden kind of turn them into the Hulk. But that's not really what happens. It can be something that can be really great for your health because you can just basically live your life a little stronger, just like you were maybe in your 20s and 30s. And this is the last thing to keep in mind, guys, when you get your blood work done at a hospital, they're just looking at like these minimum levels.

At Merrick Health, they try to bring you up to ideal levels for everything you're working. with. Whereas if you go into a hospital and you have 300 nanograms per deciliter of test, you're good, bro, even though you're probably feeling like shit. At Merrick Health, they're going to try to figure out what things you can do in terms of your lifestyle. And if you're a candidate, potentially TRT. So these are things to pay attention to to get you to your best self. And what I love about it is a little bit of the back and forth that you get with the patient care coordinator. They're dissecting your blood work. It's not like if you just get this email back and it's just like, hey, try these five things.

Somebody's actually on the phone with you going over every step and what you should do. Sometimes it's supplementation, sometimes it's TRT, and sometimes it's simply just some lifestyle habit changes. All right, guys, if you want to get your blood work checked and also get professional help from people who are going to be able to get you towards your best levels, heads to Merrickhealth.com and use code Power Project for 10% off any panel of your choice. Okay, is the bounce fire, right? There's a method.

he's been training bounce fire to his track athletes and his football athletes right christian mccarthy specifically right as a track athlete okay then we take marinovich who i don't know if anybody knows marinovich right and the shit he's been doing us forever right dude crazy stuff crazy stuff we take a little bit of that and we add that into it right we take a little bit of kula uh and we add that into it right we take the things that we know we add that in the schroeder the schroeder um he doesn't want to move like Troy Palomalo. Brian McGinty's like, you know. He was at Outside the Box.

Yeah, Brian McGinty. You know, so Brian. Amazing. Power Plus, guys. We did a podcast with him in the past. Did you really? So Brian came to outside the box last year, right?

Because he's taking the stuff that Marinovich is doing forever, right? And made it into his system. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. He's actually pretty amazing. He's got amazing athletes. He's got amazing athletes. Well, and to be fair to McGinty, he was,

was a, Marinovich was a mentor to McGinty for at least, I think, seven years. Oh, wow. He worked directly with him. The Schroeder system. We've got guys this year from outside the box that have worked specifically with Schroeder, Ryan Paul. Ryan Paul and Dan Fichter. Amazing work.

Amazing stuff that they're doing, right? That Schroeder's been doing that can make people do extraordinary things from a physical standpoint. strength and speed. Yeah. Right. So why not add a little bit of that into it? So warm up, you had us get our heart rate up.

You got to get the heart rate. You've got to once again. It goes back to central nervous system. But do you see how I kind of fed into the high intensity central nervous stuff? Right. If I started with that, right? Is it good or is it bad? Uh, probably not good, but it's not bad.

But it's not how you want to do it. Okay. You want to start with that towards the end and get you get the nervous system firing to where then when that nervous system is now on point. Okay. Then you go outside. and then you hit your runs. Gotcha.

Your body's ready to roll. It was like the music of a workout. You know, maybe the music's just kind of whatever in the beginning. And then you kind of rammed up to some of your more favorite stuff or whatever when you're doing stuff that's a higher intensity. Sure. So then after that,

we went and we did some testing and we all had different speeds. You were giving us some cues when we were doing that. So can you talk to us about like how you have athletes, or you prepare athletes to do that type of testing and what we did? From a queuing standpoint. From a queuing standpoint, and then I think when we talk about the workout, one of the coolest things is all of us had different levels of speed, but the treadmill was able to give us the exact workout we needed for the speed that we produced on the day. That this is, so this goes to a point, right? It has come so far from me writing out, right, the manual, okay?

Literally hand wrote that thing, you know, took me, I remember when they asked me to do it, I was like, yeah, I can get that done in a couple months. It took me two years to lay it all out. I do want to say the speeds that are in the treadmill now, but before you guys did the upgrade of being able to personally input the speeds, was really awesome and really accurate. But now you have it dialed into your actual speed. Now it's there. So you did a good job of predicting what you,

where you thought someone would be. And then all we did was like, if somebody asked me, I was like, okay, if they can't do 10 miles an hour, what do you do? Oh, just go to 9 miles an hour. Okay, if they can't do 9, what do you do? Oh, go to 8. Okay, if they can't do eight, now go to seven. Yeah.

Well, now. But even, you know, even defining when they say you can or you can't. This is another thing where, you know, you'll see a lot of the videos go viral for these flat runs at 24, 25. Even, you know, one of our coaches, Tyler, who's, I call him our Olympian hopeful, right? He is. That's him right there. He has a legitimate shot at being on the USA bobsled team, skeleton crew. Just couldn't look at the left.

Skeleting crew. Oh, my God. That's real. So there's, you can, you see it, see the cycle of his legs? Like a hundred. Look how elastic he is, right? That's, uh, what we say is that's completely subconscious. There's no thought process.

Uh, you know, a pro golfer isn't thinking about his golf swing. He's thinking about the target. Yeah. And then everything else happens naturally. You can't hit a baseball coming at you at 100 if you're thinking about anything other than just see the ball. Here's a cool thing about what we're seeing, right? Because a long time ago, people are like, well, he can't run 24 miles an hour on the ground. well, now we're able to measure that.

And we know exactly if what he's running outside, how close it is he's going to be to running the speed on the treadmill. It's pretty freaking close. Yeah, so even as you watch this, right, you know, you have all the physical attributes, the springiness and the recoil. But if you take that further up the chain into this concept of the ECM, completely subconscious movement and the fact that his brain's speed limit is allowing that to happen.

right he he wasn't a 24 25 when he started training with us several years ago as a kid that was playing baseball in college and it wasn't working out for him so he came to us to train as as an outlet yeah and he very quickly turned into turned into he was fast and one of our coaches right what else but it goes back to me saying was tyler fast when he came to us yeah of course he was fast, right? But here, but to go from 20 miles an hour to 24 miles an hour in a 16 week periodization. 16 week? Pretty close. Bro. Oh my God. Now this is someone who was physically, he had the physical capability. This is where I say you have to override the brain. You're reprogramming the brain and remodeling this ECM to be able to handle that type of reaction. I think this is where you guys

flourish because you guys have tried everything and you're trying everything so people have the weck propulsive vest on when they're on the treadmill sure i've seen you guys do stuff with bands there it is i've seen you guys doing stuff where i think maybe the person that maybe they have less of their body weight are you guys do any suspended maybe you don't we don't do anything off which but you guys probably wouldn't be against like trying any and all we're anti off weighting yeah you want to tell other systems yeah yeah yeah got to be able hit the the ground. So remember me saying I've absolutely have done everything on the the tread possible, right? And one of the things that I tried early on, and I saw is like, man, that, okay, so what did I say?

Stride length, right? How do you make those, if you have a greater stride frequency, a greater stride length and you're going to over speed, that wasn't a concept of speed, right? Over speed. Either through towing or, right, a billion idea. 1080 machine can pull you. You can do, there's so many ways, right? But one thing that I saw is like, you know. Can you make. a note to come back to that. Yeah, we'll come back to that. But we'll go back to the off-weighted, off-way, over-speed training. Yeah. Okay. So I had a system early on, this would have been probably 2006. I met an individual who's like, we're doing off-weighted over-speed training on a treadmill. And it's amazing. And he showed me a video of it. And they were off-wading. And this kid was

going like, I don't know, 22, 23 miles an hour, just turning over fast. Person has some sort of thing that's suspending some of the body. So what it was was a harness system. It was a harness system over the top. You get hooked in and it was like a hydraulic lift. Go to the side and you actually hear the hydraulics turn on and it would off weight them. Right. So when they got on the treadmill, right, and you crank that thing up 23, 24 miles an hour,

they step on and their feet are just rolling really fast. Okay. Well, it's great when it's at like 16, 17, 18 miles an hour, right? But when my big dogs would get on the treadmill and I would offweight them, even five to 10 pounds, they get on that treadmill when they started hitting about 22, 23 miles an hour, that system, as soon as they go into flat phase, goes back to Tim talking about what does the brain want to do? What's to protect, right? And when you're off weighted and your body fills this motion going up, right?

The first thing they do is they overstride. Trying to break. Trying to break because they're like, I don't like, the brain's like, fuck this. I don't like this, right? And it starts overstriding. What happens on a high-performance treadmill when you over stride? Boom, there goes their hamstring. I'm not talking like, oh, that.

But this is true even in a non-motor. Yes. If you're off-waiting, that is not the system we want to be developing because the brain is going to go into a protect. When you modify what we consider optimal mechanics, whether you're on the ground or you're on a high-performance treadmill, and you change those mechanics and the brain detects any kind of danger, it's automatically going to want to slow down.

Right? but when you're trying to slow down and the tread will not slow down because it's still moving at 23 miles an hour. Okay, what's the first thing that gives? It's the hamstring. So let's go back to, so we say, you know, you have all the glitz and the glamour and the things that go viral, but what you don't see is 98% of what we do is incline based. Yes. And also, as Beau says, when you're fully weighted and you're at incline, he's never seen a hammie.

Go. Ever. So what we do is we create a. safe, controlled environment to very precisely overspeed the brain. I'll say the brain because the body's capable, assuming that it's capable. I mean, you have athletes that they need to build their tissues. Yeah. Right. They need to get stronger. They need to enhance the tendons and everything else. Just interrupt for a second, but an example of like over speeding the brain versus maybe overspeed that people may be thinking of that people utilize before where you're maybe drafting. Like there's some people

that will sprint behind a car. I've seen, you know, some athletes do things like that so they can run a little faster. But where you guys are kind of referring to is you're making the person have to turn over so fast. It's not necessarily because you have the treadmill going 30 miles an hour. But it's a combination of the incline and speed, right? Yeah. So even talking about that, let's come back to, I said, make a note. And again, I'm not an expert.

Okay. You can even look at me as the guy outside looking in that just automated this. develop the algorithm for you know how to program the this is a hypothesis this is another hypothesis the current approach to overspeed that I've seen is pull them with some mechanism pull them assisted pull the other one that I've seen is do a slight decline and if I ask you what mode is the brain in in both of those scenarios what would you say oh shit the breaking mode Exactly. So even if, you know, they've done studies and there is some advantage that's been seen, like maybe over time they trick the brain for a little bit to say, okay, we're going to keep up with this thing that's pulling me and I'm not going to go face forward. But at the end of the day, that brain is still thinking, keep you safe, be in break mode. Okay. What does a treadmill do? You have to go forward fast. You can't trick the brain. The brain knows for a fact, if I do not, override and this is where that fighter flight kicks in this is where you get that little jolt of

adrenaline this is where you hit that 95 percent or greater and that little bit of the 2b 2x muscle fiber might start firing and you do go faster yeah so this is an overspeed in the right direction this is an overspeed where the brain is going faster and it knows now that it can go faster think about what you're doing today Right. You were running uphill. We weren't running downhill. You weren't being towed. But even at, I always use the term, the angle 25% because it's like an average incline that we use, right? Even at 25% incline and you were running, I think, 11.3, right? You got on and you were running as hard as you possibly could. Is that considered overspeed? Yes. Right. Because once again, it goes back. Your trick in the brain and your body's like, holy shit, right? That other gear, I have to get on and I have to go and I have to do it now. And you have to do it now. And you have to do it. it for six seconds, then get off and then recover. That's over speed. Interrupt for just a second.

And potentially for someone that's not prepared for it, if he's trying to move his feet that fast, on a flat surface, the velocity might be so great that he may injure himself. That's where these treads and we always get the negative feedback because that's what everybody sees. Somebody's like, okay. That's not necessarily.

Yeah, from my standpoint, I don't think it's negative. I think it's just you need to be prepared. You have to also prepare yourself. So let's address that as well, because this is something that we hammer in. We see other things on the internet. We hammered a lot. Our definition of being able to run a speed is quote unquote,

good form for minimum four to six seconds. And so you can assess when that form breaks down. And if you can hold good form for six seconds, you're not going to injure. we haven't seen it yet. Soon as the mechanics breakdown. But that's where, you know, most of what we do is at incline. Because we're over-speeding at incline.

So safe controlled environment over-speed. Get them actually moving faster. And it's periodized to where when we do quote-unquote over-speed or lower incline higher speeds, right, the way it's periodized within all the protocols, right? And that's the beauty of it, is we don't do over-speed until the third, the fifth, and the seventh. week.

Right? Because it takes us two weeks of training at incline, right, to teach the brain, right, to override the protective mechanism to where when we do bring the incline to a lower incline and a higher speed, it goes back to what you're saying. Now they're capable of doing that speed. And the other thing that people don't realize in the protocols is we're never running a 0%. Ever.

So even when you set the tread to 0%, that's a 3% incline. You just don't know. You're always running uphill. So even at 3%. And this is why because it's always at an incline grade, what we do transfers to the biomechanical efficiency and the application to the ground. Shit.

And once he gets past that guy, he's not over speed. But here's the thing about something like that is if, okay, let's take this as an example. Say you put Hussein Bolt on the front, right? And Bochavez on the back. Yeah. Is that over speed? That's over speed.

Is it good over speed? I don't think so. Got to have to find. So here's another thing that I want to say about these, that you have to keep in mind. That's good. And, you know, the best comment I saw from someone, you know, you say it's the most expensive treadmill on the planet.

You know, one of the best comments I ever heard was the guy that says, this is what happened when nerds who have money want to do some cool shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I couldn't agree more. Right? Like, absolutely, right? So look, you're always going to do the best with what you have. Exactly. Now, the fact that we have what we have, we're going to do the best that we can with what we have. And the other thing is, you know, making it affordable. And, you know, these are things where,

because we have full control of the entire vertical, you know, with facilities that we're building. building a brand. Our brand is everything. And your treadmill is not necessarily like, okay, I have one and it's at my home. But most of the time it's in a facility where coaches, people that are training people are putting, you know, four, five, six athletes at a time in one training session on the treadmill, utilizing their programmed profile. Exactly. And switching through. And then an hour later, a whole other group comes in, a whole other group. So you guys, the treadmill might be 30K, but you guys have seen people get their money back and then some by having these treadmills in their facilities because it's such a magnet to get athletes in there.

Yeah, the best way to look at it is, you know, if you finance anything, right, how do you buy a car? There's a down payment and there's a monthly cost. And if that monthly cost is significantly less than the revenue that it generates, my ROI is unquestionable. And, you know, simple math, the way we've devised this, you know, six athletes, per tread per session. Each tread does about 60 to 70 athletes per month if you run the model that we model. And that's why I say we're not in the tread business. Uber Zadi is a performance training center. This was a device and automation that we created to support what we do. And that's get

athletes moving better faster. Right. Even at 50 athletes times 200 per month, that's 10,000 in revenue. You pay your coach what you pay your coach. Plus maybe you pay a thousand, Now, you're netting, 60, 70% profit. So it's like, you know, the old, hey, you want to buy this backpack for 100 grand? I'm not buying a backpack for 100 grand. Well, what does the smart guy say? What's in the backpack? Let me ask you this, because I think this is something that people can take into maybe

some of their speed training and think about. There are multiple instances today where you queued me, for example, when you're outside, you keyed me on relaxation. I hit a PR outside at 18.5. And then you queued me on the treadmill about relaxation. And the cool thing about having the mirror, I was able to actually see myself relaxed and go faster. But people think if I want to go faster,

I have to try harder, right? So can you kind of explain how people can think about this? You're a perfect example of it today, right? And I'm not picking on you by any means, but I want you to understand is when you say, all right, I want you to go faster, right? Once again, if you don't know how to go faster and you say, okay, try harder, right?

Yeah. You did that today, right? I was like, all right, you guys come out of the gates, right? I don't want you to relax a little bit, build up the speed. And by the time you hit that cone, I want you into the gates, right? But you being, you know, like, I want to get, or you're trying to get like 19 today, right? Or 18, whatever it was.

I want to get 19. So that's the thing, right? You're like, in your brain, like, okay, I want to hit 19, right? Well, if you don't know what 19 feels like, you're not going to hit it. No. Okay? So you come out of those gates today, right? And you're running down.

And I saw it happen. As soon as you got to those gates, you got all tight. that and your form completely broke down. Yeah. Right? And it's slower. Right. And I came back, right.

Relax. Get your chest up. Right. Just relax. Be smooth. Right. Through the gates. And that's what you did.

But until you know or, and you feel, okay, you're not ever going to pick it up. That's why I constantly say the tread is a mechanism to teach athletes to run faster, better. Move better, faster. Yeah. Okay. Why? Because you're seeing, you're feeling, you're hearing, and you do it in a periodized approach. the way the protocols are set up.

Okay? It's just like any other thing for strength, right? Everybody does strength and it's in a periodized approach. You go to any strength room in the country, right? Every strength coach, as you guys know, has a specific program that they program for their athletes to get stronger, right? But nobody has a system to run faster.

Everybody wants speed, right? But the way they do it is, all right, we're going to go outside and you're going to run fast. All right, like I told you today, all right, the big's over here, right? The back's here and the, I want all my receivers and my fast guys on this side. Right. So what happens? All right, go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Doing all the methods. All right, these guys are running, right? It becomes, at the end of the day, it becomes conditioning. And as Tony Holler says, the state gets burnt, right? Or can you take these athletes, right? And they may not be able to do it, right?

But we have the approach and the periodization to running faster. it's a it's a program it's a specific program geared towards it that when you get on the tread you can see you can hear you can feel all right now that it's dialed in from a speed standpoint okay this guy is 10.7 okay marks at 8.2 this guy's at 9.6 all right this guy's at 12.7 all right? Did you see what you just did in the mirror right? Did you hear me say this? Did you hear me say that right? You're seeing you're hearing and you're queuing it over and over and over again and the cool thing about seeing it by the way. I want to add in is like in jiu jiu jitsu I think about keeping my face relaxed.

Because I always roll better one. You're not like, that's one thing you know within the martial art. But even in the mirror, I was able to see myself calm down, relax, pop better, and go faster. It's just like it's, and then that gives you awareness.

As soon as you get that cue and as soon as you get that feedback and you feel it, okay? The body is an amazing thing and now you're teaching it, quote unquote, right? You always hear the term muscle memory, right? Here's the thing.

Repetively repeat proper mechanics than the proper muscle firing, sequence will happen. It's always ass backwards. People try to train the muscle to get faster. Train movement first, okay, then the muscle and the proper sequencing of the firing of the muscles will happen. So like in sprinting, as soon as you get the right mechanics down, the muscles will fire in sequence.

Well, I think even beyond that, that's where you do more research into ECM and this concept of relaxation. What's it short for? Yeah. Extracellular matrix. Okay. Concepts is everywhere. It's basically the foundation of fascia. It's the, you know, the non-cellular component of fascia.

You know, I think that's kind of a buzzword today, right? But regardless. Look up anatomy trains as a book, right? And how long has anatomy trains been out? Right. It's all about fascial, right? And fascial lines, slings and everything. That's what ECM is.

But the concept for all. us is rubber bands but one of the key aspects of that ECM is the ability one of its functions is to distribute the load across the fibers yeah right so you know even when I was thinking of this I was talking to Mark you know if you had a bunch of people you have 100 guys each holding a rope then you get 10 guys on the other side to pull on one rope now it's one on one well what if you had an ability just through design to distribute that load perfectly across all 100 on the other side right and now the efficiency of that is amplified exponentially well this is one of the roles of is my understanding again

I'm no expert challenge it of the ECM and when you talk about elasticity when you talk about reactivity you know things that are happening across rubber bands and you know stretch and release right the bow and arrow this is largely because of this extracellular matrix and not the musculature and as you tense up the ECM's ability to do what it does naturally dissipates right the muscle is taken over it's not allowing the distribution and the transfer of that force to maximize the efficiency because even if you look at tendons right this elastic power at the end of the day it's efficiency. Muscles consume massive amounts of energy, this ATP. Well, the tendon does not. Right. And that's why that strong Achilles connected to everything else, right, including ECM

and whatever is keeping it tight and the tightness of the tendon. That's why these guys jump 48, 50 inches. Yeah. So this is, you know, one of the designs of the treadmill and the fact that it is built the way it is, is the power in equals the power out. This is very key. If you look at a lot of designs. Like I said, I didn't even want to kind, I don't even want to get into the treadmill itself. We're not into the tread business, but it's important to understand that this being a spaceship was designed with purpose, with intent to develop the elasticity of the athlete. Right? If you look at it, you watch the, if this is the incline mechanism, you watch that trampoline. So if we're trying to build

elasticity, do we want a dampening effect when we hit the ground? No. No. What aspect of plyometric are we getting if I'm losing and dissipating energy every time I put contacts the ground? This is why what we do, one of the reasons, transfer so well to the field, to the court. And even, you know, swimming. You know, talking about Kula, he was given the opportunity to train these swimmers. They went and destroyed

competition. They came to them and they said, what did you do? I trained them like track athletes. Why? It wires. That doesn't make sense, right? It does though. If you buy into this fact that we're training the brain, we are training the CNS.

And we are utilizing and enhancing every aspect of the ECM. Then you begin to say this makes perfect sense. And that's where we live. He trained a lot of track athletes like with field type stuff like the drills that we were doing? I'll take Christian McCaffrey.

Coordination. Take Christian McCaffrey. Motor patterning. Synchronization, timing. This is, you know, a lot of what we do too is reducing inhibition. When I talked about basal ganglia, right, the modulation. There's a dopamine that gets released that is the fuel for the receptors of the basal ganglia. Well, the more you can reduce inhibition, right, the go and the no-go and how those sink up,

That's how well you move. You've heard of reciprocal inhibition. That's why things become subconscious movement. That's why you hear the term you've got to be relaxed, right? Because remember when one side is contracted, the other side, all right, has to relax. And how fast can you get that muscle to relax while the front side or the backside is contracted? That's part of it too. How do you do it?

Okay. Talk about the ECM again. Running uphill, what is one of the greatest things about running up a hill though? Okay. reciprocal inhibition. While that front side has to come up right into triple flexion, the backside automatically has to what? Relax.

And if you get it to relax, you increase the range of motion on the backside. See what I'm saying? So this side is all contracted. That backside has to stay relaxed, right? More dorsal flexion, okay? Increases, all right, the elasticity of the gastrox solace complex.

You increase the elasticity of the gastroxole is complex, right? The greater the stretch, the greater resulting contraction. And every muscle in the human body in all planes of motion. But even this, you know, the focus on, when we're getting into these speeds,

the last thing we care about is the muscle. Now, yes, that 2B2X, like if you're in auto mode, that 2B2X, that's why we train the 6 to 8 seconds. You're pure anaerobic PC. You know, you talked about, oh, what's a play in football? to put, listen, your anaerobic energy system, max, what is 10 seconds, right?

And if you look at the protocols, it's six to 10 seconds, mostly six to eight. Yeah. That's the real reason. We are pushing that thing to the max. And what you think is your max, I guarantee you, if you haven't trained Uber Zadi, you don't know what your max is. Curious about this real quick. because a tendency as people want to get faster, they will try to go faster.

We just talked about relaxation. Well, how about breathing? Because I think that you get different messaging out here about breathing. Some people would be like, it doesn't matter if you hold your breath when you try to go faster. Some people will try to sink the breath with the movement. So what are your thoughts on when you see an athlete hold their breath as they're trying to get faster?

Does it matter? I'll take it and get as you want to. And again, this is coming from. a guy who's not the expert, right? I'm not trying to have all the answers, but I can tell you what my answer is. We don't coach it. Okay. So a lot of times, you know, I'll hear somebody talk to an athlete about, you know, the direction of their arms. And I'll say, you should be careful not to coach the athlete out of the athlete. Cristiano Ronaldo sprints at her like this, by the way. But listen. So I had a dad the other day. He says, oh, you know, my son, when he runs, he's really out here,

with the direction. I said, you know what that probably helps him with? Changing direction. Exactly. So he's like, oh, you mean, I shouldn't get him to run with his arm straight forward and back. I said, if you do, you're probably hurting him more than you're helping him. Think about your pulsing today, right? Somebody sees pulsing. They're like, yeah, that's, you know, it's got to be 90, 90, 90, right? Stiff arms. That's not the case, right? You watch some of the, you know, weck talks about it a lot, right? Is, you know, head over foot, you know, that spiral engine, right? The spine, Should it be stiff or should it be fluid? See, and I have another theory too.

This is where I love bringing in. Let me answer breathing. I've never taught it, right? Is there methods to breathing? Yes. Are we experts at breathing? No. But if you think about your,

this is the other thing with the treadmill is it forces you to create true biomechanical efficiency. And in the process of doing that where you're continually hitting the threshold of where the brain believes you are safe at your maximum speed. If you start thinking about your breathing, do you think that's going to help you or hurt you?

In other words, the human body at some stage is going to naturally breathe the way that it knows is optimal. Now, relaxation and tension is something that is, you know, we get relaxed, get smooth. You know, these are good cues. Like, don't try, just let the body do what the body wants to do. How are you breathing today? at top speed.

I mean, did you think about it? I didn't think about it because like when I, when I've done this stuff before, I have worked on having my breathing kind of match my tempo. So my breathing just falls in line with my movement, but it's because I've kind of done that before, you know? But that's why I was wondering because I'm curious what you guys notice with fast athletes.

Is there a tendency? Is there a pattern? Or do these athletes breathe in different ways for them to go fast? For what I've seen, the fast athletes want like, you know, when they're hitting a six second or a four second high speed run, I don't really see them breathing. I think it's, you know, I don't know, to be honest.

The other thing, too, is you're striving for subconscious movement. Yeah. Why would you want to think about your breathing? No, I think it naturally happens. What about strength? I think when, I mean, I think there's different patterns when you do like a heavy lift, right? Do you suck in right through the nose and then compress and then go down and come out of it? I mean, is that?

Yeah. You would know way more about that than I would. I think that's the same as when you're doing a high-speed run. Well, there's some similarities. You know, so when you're running, like, you literally kind of have to breathe. When you're lifting, you don't necessarily have to breathe because the lift, if you're doing a one-rep max doesn't have to. Exactly.

That's what I'm talking about. It lasts very long. So you could just blow some air out on your way up and that would be sufficient enough. And some people like to have that extra pressure. It's almost like a blood pressure. You could try to get your blood pressure to be high on purpose. And you're trying to like brace yourself. Bracing.

Bracing is what I was going to allude to. And obviously you don't want to be bracing when you're like sprinting. When you get into bracing, then we get into that, you know, I think WEC, you know, as part of that too is what, you know, he's no bracing. Something I've learned over the years. Well, that's more of the, uh, when you're showing the going up on the treadmill, when we were like coming back and the floats, floats, right? And something you did was like, you were.

Like. you exhaled hard, which is a form of bracing. When you, if you, like, when you see lifters scream, like Olympic lifters, et cetera, it's an strong exhalation, but that is also a bracing of the structure without having to hold the breath, you know? So that's why I was just curious about this, like what you guys. Yeah, naturally, I didn't even think about that, right? I just like, okay, I want you to be aggressive, right?

For me being aggressive is coming back and then get up the tread, right? Yeah. It'll be fun. Maybe you can experiment with that. There we go. Over time, I'm just, I'm going to ask you guys this. year. I'm just curious what you does. So that makes it. So the best thing would be for you to try is now we're going to think about it. Right. Okay. You know, something I've learned over the years is sometimes when you

have to think about something, you're thinking about it because it's a problem. Yeah, and that's where I say, you're thinking about something, which is good. I don't want to give you some bullshit answer because I really, I don't, we don't, we don't coach. Yeah, somebody might say, hey man, what do you do for sleep? You're like, I don't know, I never thought about it. It's like, okay, well, if you never thought about it, that's actually awesome. That probably means you have good sleep. Yeah. But it could also mean, what could you do to improve it?

Like, what if there's improvement there? Yeah. There could be. Another interesting thing about that is it relates to what we do is go back to the fact that our sprints are six to eight second in the anaerobic. So it's a, I don't want to say it's a zero oxygen, but it's a minimal oxygen for that period of time.

No oxygen. Now, no, I think there, I don't think it's purely. I think it's probably like an 85%. But either way, right? It's supposed to be. It's in an anaerobic zone, yeah.

Right. It's definitely anaerobic, no doubt. It is anaerobic, but I don't know. It is supposed to be in oxygen. Well, there's a lot of oxygen within your body already, whether you're breathing or not. For sure. For sure. It's irrelevant.

Regardless, I think what it comes back to in terms of the breathing is, are you relaxed? Yeah. Are you at your optimal efficiency? It's going to allow you to run the most relaxed. And what you said earlier about being able to run for four to six seconds. What was that? You said, like three different things. said well so if we're judging form at top speed say at the flatter inclines it has to be four to six

seconds of what we consider to be perfect form now understand that's not there is no perfect but for that athlete they are clearly in control of their biomechanical movement pattern when it's bad you know it's bad just like in other words if they lose their hips behind them and they get long on the backside they're down meaning like they're they're they can't have the speed anymore. Their feet and knees are behind the butt. The hips slip out. So that's trying to...

That tall posture we're talking about today, right? Getting tall as soon as that's gone. Your body can no longer maintain speed. And this is also the concept of, you know, keeping up with the belt. Because the reality is you're not keeping up with. You are overcoming the belts. That's...

So have you heard... You read Jordan B. Peterson, the paradox of the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland? No, I haven't heard of that. Okay. So I think this describes what we do better than anything. Okay. You have to run as fast as you can to stay where you are.

So what this means is as soon as you slack off, you're gone. Off the team. So when it comes to running on a treadmill with these, you know, this front side mechanic and you are not keeping up with the belt, if you're doing it correctly, you are overcoming the belt. That's been the biggest. You have to apply that force. And if you're not in a truly elastic reactive spring effect,

you're not keeping up with the belt. So no matter how well someone's conditioned, and it doesn't matter how fast somebody is, people can only maintain a certain speed for a really short period of time. It probably is in this four to six second time frame. I think max speed when they measured out with like you're talking like top track athletes, I think sustained top speed is, I think, maybe two to four seconds, maybe.

So it's short, no matter how great of an athlete we're talking about, it's going to be short. Yeah. And then what they say about Bolt is they say it's kind of an illusion that he's like just completely blowing past everybody. Everyone else is actually slowing down quite a bit. He decelerates the least. I've heard people say something like that.

Obviously, he's reaching top speed. So he's faster than people. Well, he's an anomaly, right? But I also think that comes down to the level of elasticity. How much spring effect is he getting per stride? Because it uses no energy. Or it's at least 50% or more greater efficiency if it's elastic. He takes less steps and everything.

He takes less steps and he's able to maintain top speed. So just think if everybody's top speed, I think once they hit about, I think it's 40 meters, maybe 40 to 60 meters, is when everybody technically starts slowing down. They've already hit top speed, and now they're starting to slow down. He just maintains top speed longer

and is able to maintain that. That's why his starts, when you watch him, right? He comes out and he's not the greatest starter, right? Gatlin, I think his biggest rival, that guy blows out in the first 20 meters, right? And then Hussein Bolt just kind of catches up because then he hits that top speed, and he maintains that.

By the time he hits top speed, Gatlin's already slowing down. Gay's already slowing down. And I've even heard that... There's so many theories about it, right? They continue to accelerate for longer. In other words, if we were to sprint, we may hit top speed at 20, 30 yards.

They're going to hit top speed beyond. They continue to accelerate. All right. It is interesting. You know, we have someone like Usain Bolt. You know, he's got the fastest 100 meter ever.

I think he may have at one point had the fastest 200 meter. Maybe he still has that. But there's other people who have had, you know, 60 meter, but he's the fastest man on earth, but the 100 and 200. But if you just have him either race shorter or have him race longer, he's no longer the fastest. You know, if somebody else does a 400, or if you take, you know, a theoretical matchup that people have talked about would be like how far would Bolt have to run against Kipchoga, who's got the marathon record?

You know, just be fun to like watch. Like does this is where it goes. into the energy systems. Does he get smoked at 800 meters or, you know, how far do they got to go before the race gets closer? You know what I mean? It's just interesting. Well, you know, when you tap into the energy systems and metabolic factors, one thing that, I mean, you were talking about that today. Okay, is how many people actually in a training session actually get to anaerobic threshold, right? 90, 85 to 90%, 100% of their max heart rate.

And are able to repetitively do that over and over. You've got to train your body to do that. We can't get into metabolic factors. That's a deep dive, right? And that's kind of, as I say, above my pay grade. It's kind of outside of what you go. One thing is, you want me to tell the soccer player story? Yeah, you can.

And then I want to hit on something that is, it's coming from a different direction. kind of what I really think the value of this training is. So one thing we had an opportunity to do was this was Dario and I. I don't think, I don't think Tim was part of us at that point in time. So we got called by, I got a call from Leicester City,

which is a European premiership soccer team out of Leicester City in England, I believe. And they called us and they said they had a specific player who was a midfielder, his mechanics were terrible. He wasn't able to go the full night. 90 minutes. We need to go the full 90 minutes. We're paying the maximum of dollars. We're going to buy your tread because we think that's an answer. Can you come out and help us with this player?

So we said, sure. We come out and me and Dario being me and Dario, right? You know, we get there and we're having fun. Dario's being Dario getting in the cold tub with everybody and getting on the team bus and taking pictures and getting samples of protein bars and, you know, he's having a good time. And I'm in the corner thinking, fuck, I have no idea what I'm going to do with this guy. All right? So my thought process goes, okay, soccer player versus football player. They're saying, okay, he's not lasting 90 minutes. So I'm going to modify speed. I always maintain incline. That's one thing I tell everybody is we always maintain incline.

It's the incline that determines the biomechanical efficiency of what we want these athletes to be able to get to reach top speed when it's flat, technically, out on the field. So long story short, is like, oh, fuck, I go to Darrow, right? I go, I don't really know what I'm going to do. He's like, well, we got to do something. I'm like, okay, I'm going to run it through the distance protocol. So I take the, we have a distance protocol. So I take him through level one, day one, session one, okay?

Teach him how to get on the treadmill on off, just like I do with you guys today. And Lesser City, right, has all these, you know, heart rate monitors on him, you know, vault, or not vault system. It was a catapult. I had to put a catapult on them, biomarkers, blah, blah, right? They just have the money to be able to do that. And so I said, all right, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to modify speed.

I'm going to modify time. Okay. So I'm going to take an eight second run. I'm going to make it a 12 second run. Okay. Change the parameters. Instead of ATP, I'm going to go more towards the aerobic type system, right? But I'm going to push him pretty hard.

So at the end of the day, right, I just modified those two factors. And we trained him for a total of four minutes and like, you know, four and a half minutes total of runtime. And they mapped out his physiological parameters and his metabolic factors. And his metabolic factors in that five-minute period was the same metabolic factors that he had in an 80-minute high-level European premiership. And we did it in five minutes. Meaning, because they asked us, we need to up his intensity, right?

We got to get him running better. We have to change his mechanics because they knew his mechanics were causing a lot of the issues, right? He wasn't Ronaldo. Like, you know how, like you said, right? He's running bad, right? But he's still Ronaldo. This guy had to run up and down the field a lot.

So a long story short, we got his physiological parameters, and he started ticking up, and he hit that physiological parameter in the same thing that they saw in a full 80-minute soccer match. So we decreased the volume, right? Because they had him out on the pitch, running him day after day, trying to get him to run correctly.

But once again, he didn't know what they were talking about. He didn't fill it, he didn't see it, and he didn't do it. So what were they doing? they were just trying to condition them at the end of the day. But when we got him on the treadmill, the mirrors in front of him, and it goes back to what we're saying, right? He saw he felt he did, right? He ran up the hill.

He ran up the hill correctly, right? But his heart rate started ticking up, right? To get to that anaerobic threshold, and we did it in five minutes as opposed to 80 minutes, right? Decrease volume up intensity. Is that a great way to train an athlete? Without a doubt. To me, it's the best way.

And you saw that today. You're like, man, can I have a minute break? No, I can't have a minute break. But total, right, how many? How many minutes did you actually run today? I mean, I dose you guys pretty good because we had a lot of things to do. But on average, within the protocols themselves, athletes run them three minutes and 20 seconds, total. But it's high intensity.

Question real quick. Why is it, I've noticed with using the treadmill again, I've used the treadmill twice now, the first time with Mark and the second time now with you guys. But after both of these sessions, it feels like a great input. I was able to move fast for myself. But I also don't feel absolutely thrashed. Like I know I'm going to be able to have a good workout tomorrow again too. I know you could have made the workout harder. You could have thrashed you more.

I could have thrashed you. Of course. But is that the best for the athlete? No. Yeah, but no, it's an excellent question, right? But this comes back to the fact that we're not really training your muscles. This is where it comes into it is neurological. It is extracellular matrix.

This is spring effect. Yeah. This is optimal efficiency. Are the muscles involved? I believe they are. I also believe that we recruit the 2B2X fighter flight muscle fiber so that when you're subconsciously creating that pretension that allows you to maximize your spring effect, that's the fiber you're using. So our athletes have access to that without thought on the field, on the court. And after less than two weeks, it goes dormant. What do you need now to access it? Adrenaline. You need fight or flight. So we're recruiting that. We're developing it.

And it's accessible to the athlete. With the intent to create that pretension, to create that elasticity. So you can have that workout. And it's an ultimate primer to now go lift heavy. Yeah, that's the thing that we have. If that's what you want to do. You lift up.

You after? Well, we do explosive. So we're really into the VBT. Everything is sports-centric. What is the range of motion? You know, this is where we don't, the essence of Uber Zaddy is what we do with the high-performance tread. But again, it does not replace anything in the rack.

It does not replace anything on the ground. It enhances all of it. I think getting faster, I shouldn't say. I think I know getting faster, get you stronger without being in the rack. But here's the thing. You have to get into the racks.

We understand that. We know that, right? We do it. Okay? But if you can teach what Tim is talking about, right? Automatically you get into the weight room. You can talk to a strength coach about this. If I can say coach,

I can get you stronger in the weight room without taxing, right? And the high volume of weights that you're using, we can make you faster than get you in the weight room and get you stronger and move the weight room. and move the weight faster, that's where VBT comes into play. You can move that heavy weight with velocity. Through specific range of motions.

Through specific ranges of motions, right? Apply to sport and transfer. We talked about it today. Is quarter squat, half squat, and full squat better? We don't know, right? But what we're saying is we, basically, by training speed

and the way we do speed, we are going to get you stronger in the weight room. We get you strong in the weight room, which is what everybody loves. You're going to get strong and you're going to be fast. But in a way that makes sense, right? So we're big believers in proper application of eccentric.

Yeah. We're proper application of the isometric, right? And without getting into all of that, because this is where a lot of expertise does exist and we lean heavily on expertise, but we take from the expertise what we think makes sense for our athletes. Well, if you do something like three sets of 10 of a fairly deep squat with, you know, 70% of your max, you're probably going to end up being pretty sore from that. If you just flip the numbers around, you do 10 sets of three,

utilize short rest in between, and you don't do a full squat. You do like a half squat or quarter squat. Now you're training something completely different. You're training your central nervous system. Yes. You could say you're training your brain. You're training for explosiveness.

Well, even motor unit recruitment. Right. And now you're not going to get a sore. And now you can have another training session. But, you know, not getting really sore is actually like a really interesting thing. Like, okay, some soreness is probably good here and there. But trying to not avoid it, but trying to be conditioned enough to where that's not really a problem is probably a better place to be for most athletes. Because I don't think you want to walk around all stiff and sore.

You know, typically if you see soreness, they're accessing something they just haven't ever done before. Right. So this is like a wake-up. Everyone is like, what just happened? Yeah, right. you know and one of the primary uniquenesses that we believe we possess is using speed to program speed the way that I use methylene blue is very similar the way that you're using it I don't use it every day I think things that push that button to change your mood you might want to be a little cautious with

it in my opinion and the feelings that I get from methylene blue it does change my mood a little bit it's a mood enhancer. When I go out and run, I feel like I do have a little bit more endurance. I do feel like I can breathe a little bit better. But that could also be, I've been training very hard as well. So it could be an adaptation to that as well. But as we've had, you know, David Herrera and many other people have come on the show before, they basically just say methylene blue is a electron donor and it allows the body to utilize energy

just more efficiently. And I don't know if I can feel that per se, but I know that I feel better when I'm running. when I'm using methyling blue. Yeah, post sessions of grappling. That's when I usually use. I use it two or three times a week. Post sessions, jit-too, I always feel like I have more energy, like much more energy than I typically have.

Which makes me understand that, you know, if I did want to go for longer sessions, I could. But it also helps me understand that I'm going to be recovering better for my next session the next day, which is a big deal. But yeah, I think that if you guys, first off, this stuff is great because it's third-party tested, methylene blue in other sources like the stuff that you'll see on Amazon or like random websites, there's no regulation.

So a lot of people have levels of toxicity from the supplement because it's not dosed correctly. And there are other things in that methylene blue. Again, this is something that is lab made. It's not, you know what I mean? So you got to be careful. And this is why we like using this stuff because we know it's not going to mess us up. You can go on their website. You can go on the transcriptions website and you can get a report of the third-party tested

methylene blue and double triple check it for yourself in addition to that they have the canotene which i have not used that much but when i have used it pre-workout i did notice i get a zip from it it has i think it has nicotine in it along with a couple other things uh to go along with the methylene blue so do yourselves a favor check out transcriptions check out what they got strength is never weak this week this never strength catch you guys later everyone measures speed yeah record rank publish it's important right numbers numbers matter it gives you an objective hold your breath versus hold your breath for one minute which one is going to have you hold it for one minute i guarantee it's hold it for one minute because when you hit 30 seconds and you want to breathe

five more seconds five more seconds five oh i just hit a minute i could probably do a minute 30 now right so it is important to measure but i haven't seen anything else where they use that output as an input to prescribe, to program, with precision at incline in a safe, controlled environment that forces the athlete to override the brain and go exactly as fast. You guys experienced it today. As the body is capable of going.

So you're just incrementally increasing the governor. I know that Zach Bitter, he once held a record 100 mile runner, ultra runner. He ran like a six minute and 30 second, something crazy like that, the whole time, you know, for 100 miles, something disgusting like that. He's unbelievable. But a lot of his training is sprinting. He does a lot of sprinting. Now, sometimes he's sprinting 400s and things like that that are a little bit longer duration than what you guys are talking about. But he loves hill sprints.

He loves just regular, even like, fours. 40-yard sprints. He does them often. He does quite a bit of, you know, he's able to implement like quite a bit of volume in them. The Inger Britson brothers are famous and their dad trains them. Their dad was not a track coach. But he actually has them training on a treadmill quite a bit.

And those guys have world records in the 800 meter, maybe 400 meter. It's one of the brothers. I forget that there are two brothers both compete and they're amazing. But they go as far to like check, you know, their lactic acid threshold. That's deep. They prick the finger. But the whole thing with them about the treadmill,

because they, they, you know, a lot of people thought that training on treadmill was bullshit. And these guys come along and, and they're doing it. You guys are obviously doing it. But these guys liked how controllable the training was.

You could set the speed and you had to run just like this. Exactly. Whereas if you go out for a run and these are high level guys, these are Olympic athletes. So they're not going to go out in like a ginger run and just, you know, run for four miles and not like keep track of it, right? They're, they're always going to be focused and honed in. But the point is, when you're on a track or you're just out on some of these these other runs, it's really easy to lose track of how fast you're going. When you're on that

treadmill, you have to have a very particular turnover with your, with your legs and you have to have a very controlled. Controlled. And maybe even like, even the way he's leaning in this video, like maybe. That's a distance kind of like. Yeah. You know what I mean? Maybe it's like he's got like all, almost all the attributes that he's going to have when he's going to do some of the races. But it goes back to that governor, right? So if say he's on the ground and he starts feeling fatigued, usually, and what do they say, you know, fatigue makes cowards of us all, right? As soon as you get that fatigue, most likely you're going to slow down.

Some people have the capacity to not do that. But if he is set at, I don't know, 8% incline and his trainer sets it at nine miles an hour, and he says, okay, I need you to do this for five minutes. He's got one option or two actually, right? Do or do not, right? Fight or flight, right? It's very controllable. And what we're seeing, and this is,

I wanted to kind of get into this today because part of it too is I was talking to you about it, is the way that an athlete comes in, okay, and says, all right, you know, how are you feeling today? You can ready to perceive exertion, or we can do some VBT work or you have a whoop or whatever it may be, whatever variability it may be, okay? Do you really know how that athlete is feeling?

Okay, let's take the subjectivity out. This is the beauty of what... This is a big part of it. This is what Tim has created that just is absolutely mind-blowing and just doesn't exist. And I'm going to use... You know, I always hate when people like, oh, my athlete's this or my athlete's that. You know, I'm like, I do. Okay, I get it here.

Okay, you've got... You're a coach. Yeah, right? My clients. Exactly. My clients, right? But I'm going to use this one specific from a subjectivity standpoint. Okay?

It goes back to the speed aspect of... measuring speed. Even the health of the athlete. The health of the athlete. That's what this is all about. I had a girl softball player, right? And she did a tournament on Friday. They play a ridiculous amount of games, like three games on Friday, four games on Saturday,

you know, four games on Sunday. Girls fast pitch softball weekends are insane. And that's just how it is. It's ridiculous. A huge amount of volume, right? Yeah. Okay. So she had a training session with me on Monday.

from a coaching standpoint I'm like man this girl's gonna be shot okay she's tired she's exhausted okay from a subjective standpoint I'm like I'm gonna take you these younger today all right she comes in we go through the exact same warm up you guys did today right go outside she goes outside

on the lasers just like you did today and hits a I think she hits 19.2 miles per hour PR PR right I'm like holy shit never in a million years would you have guessed and even if you asked she would have said, man, long weekend. Long weekend. A lot of games. Or from a coaching standpoint, how many games you play?

I played 15. Fuck. Okay. You know what? You need to go home, take it easy. Go recover. Go in that. Right. But on that specific day, she came in and PR'd at 19. 2 miles or, yeah, hit 19, no, yeah, 19 miles on our ground speed. I go in, put her on the tread. There's her speeds. This is a program we're doing today. Yeah. Via the algorithm. Via the algorithm, right. These are her speeds. Boom. Hits it. She gets on the and hits a PR on the tread for 19.5. Gets off the tread, right?

Give her a break. Then we always do some kind of velocity movement with a mass-specific force lift, right? She did a trap bar deadlift and hits 315 pounds on a trap bar deadlift, PR. Why? I would have never in a million years thought about that, right? Until the speed told me she's ready to roll today.

She's helping. Right? We had a case in point last week, kid, right, came through, right, ran the opposite. Opposite runs 14 miles per hour. Yeah. A normal 15, 5, 16. Yeah. So now we can red flag kids based on the logarithms running through the lasers without VBT, without rating of perceived exertion, without taking a lactic acid buildup, right? All this, you know, if the speed says, hey, they're good to go, boom, get them on the tread, right? Boom, we're going today. I think it's great too because you're making them do the sprints. Like they

You have to do an actual sprint for the day. And if they're tired, it's going to show. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very objective measurement. How many times a week are some of these kids exposed to that sprint? Is it usually like twice a week, three times a week? Two to three times. Okay.

So it's not like every day. And you're a minimum 48 hour recovery between any two sprints based sessions. Like that, the softball girls, they go Tuesday, Thursday. Okay, most football players, they go Monday, Wednesday. And most of what you guys do is usually like a two day a week. Like in terms of... Out of season, two to three. On the treadmill, the treadmill mainly like a two day a week program from what I've seen.

Yes, that's what I guess. Yeah, and even day three, we'll mix in, you know, 360s, change of direction. Nice. You know, supplemental, but, you know, low CNS. And if you're in season, it's a one X per week. That's another thing. Because we want to recruit that to be two X. X. Come in and they come in. They're in season. They come in. We hit a specific protocol. In fact, we're developing a specific in season protocol, right? They come in. They go through their warmup, right? Go through their warmup. Get on the tread. Hit a high speed run at, say, 75 to 85%. That's another thing we can talk about. All right. Yes. I want to ask you guys your experience using this with athletes because we've been using the propulse power vest. I just call this thing the bounce vest, right? But people see this on social media. People be

roast and Mark about it here and there. And what do you guys notice using this with athletes? What is it helpful with? What does it maybe improve? Do we have the empirical numbers, data? Nope. At this point, we don't. Do we know that it works? Yes. You know, one of the things we say is we try really hard to not get lost in minutia that would be distracted from very measurable results in performance. Yeah. the athletes and what they feel across the board. Do you guys have some hypothesis? A little more explosive.

Yeah. Yes. Have people run the same speed or faster? No, so you take, let's take these women that are running here, right? These are average age right here is probably 45 years old. Okay. Okay.

And all of them, I'll put the, the weck vest on them. I just call it the weck vest. It's just easier, right? It's the weck vest, right? Put the weck vest on them in the LPR. Do you have a hypothesis as to why? What are your thoughts? It goes back to the, you know,

I'm understanding what's going on with the weck vest is, as they go into flight phase, right, that vest comes up with them as they go down into ground contact, right? All that weight from the vest goes down into that central nervous system, goes through the muscles, causes a greater contraction of the muscles, right, in the ground contact phase, right?

the toe touch or the foot strike phase, causing greater contraction, greater contraction, the greater stretch, the greater resulting contraction, and when they come off to the next step. This is where, you know, Bo and I deviate on, you know, his thoughts, he speaks a lot of, you know, muscular talk, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Contract and I really believe that it is, it is a ground reaction force that is at play,

but I believe that it's at play through this ECM and elasticity. And a level of rhythm. Absolutely. You can hear it today when I said, okay, okay, I want you to put it on when you're doing the holds, right? Or when we're doing the bounce fire. When you're doing the bounce fire correctly, that pro pulse vest sounds good.

So it's an audible feedback, right? Timing, how much force. You know, even the head over foot about efficient is if you get over, you're applying more. This is where the tread and the design power and power out. building that recoil, that spring-like effect. And, you know, these propulsors is just a spring inside of a case, right? So as I come down, there's going to be a delay in that force. You know, and I listen, I see all the measurements, things like that.

You know, I try not to get lost in it. Yeah, we don't want to. Because, listen, if you're putting, we challenge it, we try it. Do the athletes love it? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, if some people put it on, it's not hard.

Figure out if, you know. Yeah, it's not too hard. It's going to take studies. At the end of the day, you have to have studies. Yeah. Because that's the only way to, we can say it all day long. Yeah, it works, right? Because somebody's going to come up and challenge it like, well, okay, we'll prove it.

How does it work? Why does it work? Well, somebody asked us the other day about, you know, have you measured the dorsiflection on athletes over time and how has that been impacted? And I said, you know what? If they're adding four to six inches of vertical jump, in eight weeks the last thing I'm going to do is analyze their dorsiflection that's for the smart guy now right but at the same time I would love for a university

professor to get his hands on and say I'm going to do an extensive study on dorsiflection but it's again it's going to be there's going to be a lot of uniqueness from athlete to athlete and you don't want to you know coach the athleticism and the way that they're wound and wired and you know one of the prime examples that Eugene uses is is a Mike Trout. You know, he goes into the Angels organization and they show him some charts and they say, what do you think?

He says, what do you mean? What do I think? He said, well, what do you think? Just look at this data. He says, that's Mike Trout. And they're blown away that he knew it was Mike Trout. This is just data. And he says, well, what do you think?

You're right. It's Mike Trout. And he said, I think he's one of the great baseball players who's ever played he's coming off an MVP season yeah you know this guy is doing a lot of things better than anyone else on the planet that's what i think and i say well you don't think based on this data that he might be susceptible to injury or that there's something that we could do to make him even better and he said he wanted to flip the fucking table over he says if you mess with that you're making a big mistake. That's part of it too. A lot of what we do is we don't get lost in the minutia.

Right? We're focused on what is it that this does? What is what is the essence of Uber Zadhi? Why is it sport agnostic? And a lot of it is a reward system. This is another aspect we haven't even talked about when you're on the tread and you're hitting PR after PR and you're continually seeing speeds increase, inverts increase, and broad. increase and in the amount of weight that you can lift and how fast you can lift it increase that's gamification that's a feedback that's a reward system this is dopamine boost dopamine feeds the basal ganglia basal ganglia it's also where mood is controlled yeah how you feel right why do you work out because i feel good when you perform better you feel good right so this is that feeling that

feedback loop that we tap into in a safe controlled environment that continually improves the athlete. Goes back to, you know, like Tim is saying, I mean, you get a guy like Hussein Bolt. Are you going to change his mechanics? No, he moves in Bolton. There's some kids that goes back to pulsing, right? You'll see someone will come up and be like, you want to fix, Tim goes back, you want to fix their hands, right? Well, they're pulsing. If you don't understand or you don't know what pulsing is, right?

and you get into that, you know, and they're doing that head over that toe. Do you really want to change that? No. That backside whip, right? You're getting that backside whip, right? We call wippy, okay? Is that bad? No, it's not bad.

It's actually pretty good, right? We don't want to change that. Who is it, Ed Reed? Ed Reed, right? You go Ed Reed, Michael Jordan. You can name tons of these guys that look, you look at their movement. You're like, oh, we really need to fix that because if not, it's going to cause some kind of injury. No, you don't fix it.

Why? Because he's already at a high level. Why are you going to fix it? Let's maybe even possibly see we can duplicate it. But we don't change something. It doesn't need to be changed from a movement standpoint. There are some things you can pick apart and like, okay, we need to fix this. Okay.

But if they're already moving better and they're a fact and they're fast and they're effective, don't change anything. At the end of the day, we're really focused on this concept of neuroplasticity, right? You know, the, as I say, their ability to learn movements, right? sprinting is the ultimate high speed. Everything has to happen in sequence. And it just naturally organizes itself into optimal efficiency, especially if you can speed up the process of learning

through this safe controlled environment that is this device called a high-performance treadmill that just happens to have a guy's life's work built into, what do I do with this thing, combined with all of the automation and technology, that we've integrated that takes your speed on any given day and completely tailors the program to put you at your threshold for six to eight seconds of optimal movement efficiency. This translates to an ability through this neural plasticity that is being

remodeled and enhanced to go learn skills. Because it's the same, you're trying to motor function, motor patterning, subconscious capability to perform skill. And we believe speed development, sprinting is also a skill. Oh, yeah. What else is going on with the treadmill? Because I think I saw bands and then I've seen people maybe like attached to something behind them. So it goes back to. I think I've seen people with belts on.

So it goes through the levels, right? So I mean, we're continuing to to make somebody faster, you have to change speeds, change inclines. I mean, do different types of holds, add resistance. You know, you can't add resistance to... No, I would say, don't put... Try to put function on top of dysfunction. You don't get to those... Make sure they're moving well before you load it.

You've got to move better before you load it. What I say earlier, right, is don't train the muscle, train the movement. Okay, muscle follows movement. Okay, so when you see somebody with the attachments on the backside, okay, that's a higher level. What am I trying to do? Make somebody who's already fast even faster, right? by enhancing the stretch reflex, right? The elasticity.

How do you do that? Add some resistance to it, but they have to be able to overcome that specific resistance. Yeah, at the end of the day, if we get an athlete that progresses beyond, we have level zero, age eight to 12, level one, you get into the middle school, high school, level two, now you're elite high school collegiate,

and then level three and four, you're going to be professional. See, that's acceleration. As you start moving really well, and that biomechanical efficiency is being optimized, you light load the system. It's not heavy loads. It's light loads. Yeah, what's that pulley thing?

So that's a beyond power official Voltra 2. That's a cool piece of equipment. I tell everybody, you know, I say, you have to have this device in your facility, and they say, how much is it? I said, don't worry, it'll be the best money ever spent. It's like 2K, $2,500 or something. 3K. Yeah?

Yeah. I mean, and what we do with it, and wait until you see what we're about to do with it. You can use it for all kinds of stuff, right? It's not just. Yeah, it's so versatile. You don't have it. You can do a recentric loading.

You can do bands. You can do reverse band. Reverse band. So as it gets longer, the load gets lighter. Let's talk a little bit about like what the treadmill actually does. Because the treadmill, you know, it'll, so the treadmill, you can self-propell the treadmill as well. But then the treadmill has different resistance.

Yeah. So you can push it like a sled where you're self-propelling it. Yeah, we call it Omega mode. It's the non-motorized. Omega and alpha. Yeah. So Omega is non-motorized and there's varying levels of resistance on the belt that you can set, depending on what you're trying to accomplish.

Along with the incline, you can vary the incline to incorporate gravity. Goes all at to 40. 40% incline. The speed goes to 31, right? Speed, 31 miles per hour. These are just built to be, I'll say excessive. Yeah. You don't want to exceed your limit of your capability.

Right. We standardize 20% incline for our non-motorized, so we track all of that. The other thing with the software is now all of the metrics are stored for each athlete in the cloud in their account, their profile, that they're able to access. Facility managers are able to access. That goes to talking about the... Again, creating opportunity for feedback loop and recruit rules. Now the treadmill, it also goes like backwards or something, right? Like I know you can like walk backwards on it.

Yeah, it has a retro. The belt will go the opposite direction. We've limited that to five miles per hour. What's that for? You know, we've had people say, oh, it'd be cool if we could go backwards at a decline. Right. So you guys mess with that or is that or even incline.

This is the only thing that I like it. This is the only thing I like it for, right? It goes back to getting somebody in a retro, type situation where they actually go, they turn around, right, and they have to go backwards in the treadmill. People for some reason, even high level athletes are like, what the fuck is going on? I'm going backwards. And the belt's moving right. At an incline, right? And they're like, what am I. It's just like, what are we doing, right? I mean, you're a high level athlete. And when you make somebody go backwards and you get them out of their quote unquote comfort zone, that's the cool thing

about going retro. And there's a lot of studies about retro. But anyway, it goes back to the belt moving backwards right i'm like the only reason i like the the reverse belt is an athlete can get on there hold the bar and as the belt's going the opposite direction they can hold on the bar and get kind of the patterning of going backwards i see right other than that i mean it's like what somebody goes well we want the treadmill to be able to decline and go downhill i'm like you know that makes it i was so funny i think that was whack at one of the outside the boxes he's i have the video he jumps on I'm standing there, oh, check this out. We've got the capability.

Somebody talked about wanting to go backwards at an incline. And he's like, oh, let me check that. Oh, this is genius. And we haven't used it since. But it does have the ability. If anyone wants to explore, listen, this is all about evolution. I used to do high speed retro runs. I mean, some kids were getting to.

On a flat to decline. And a flat, right. And they actually had the harness system. At that point, it was, you know, I'd changed the harness system to where it was, it was all it was a safety spotting mechanism. Yeah. But there was a point where and was it bad or was it good. I never had anything bad happen, right?

But I did have some kids going 18, 19 miles per hour backwards. So the applicability and if you see in some of the videos, we have a full carbon fiber harness system. So the relevance of the carbon fiber is more, you know, very little of what we do in the overspeed world. Do we need a harness? There are people that want the harness for perceived levels of safety. But the real applicability is in PT and ACL rehabilitation.

So there we have the ability to offweight the athlete. There there is probably a lot of relevance to doing something related to the body weight off. But yeah, so once they're cleared to be able to move, they get on. They can be off weighted. We have protocols being developed specifically for ACL, rehab return to play. We want to get athletes back in action as fast as possible. The other thing that's really interesting is concussion protocol.

Having objective measurements of what an athlete's, you know, you get back into the, you know, red, yellow, green, if you have parameters that is their baseline prior to injury, you have to meet that threshold to be cleared post-injury. And there are some things happening related to, say, concussion and return to play protocol. That's very objective. You can't fake it. And it's not somebody feels like you might be able to return to play. What was one of the last things you had in SEMA and some of the other guys do where they were self-propelling?

That's the Omega. And then you finished with the flow stuff. You can just talk about that a little bit and what that was doing? Because you were trying to reach those peak forces? Pure acceleration and power. So the cool thing about is a long time ago goes back, right? I always knew non-motorized was something that we needed to do just for a pure acceleration standpoint.

On the old systems and the old treads that we used to work with was to get it to be able to move with efficiency and able to get that belt rolling is we had to take it all the way up to 40% incline. Right, to get the belt going. With this, this system is so smooth now when they do a non-motorized accelerators, I call them hamster runs. We just call them hamster runs, right?

You're like a hamster on a wheel. But the cool thing about it now, through the technology, is now we're able to measure time to peak speed, peak speed, and those two combined gives you a number called acceleration. And when you can measure acceleration and plot it and put it in the cloud, it's a pretty cool thing. In terms of the optimal movement, you'll see a lot of athletes,

they try to go too fast, right? They're focused on frequency, not on power and length. Remember I was showing you guys getting on. They'll get on like, yeah, long, hard strides, right? Use that extension, use that glutes, use the hamstrings to max amount, right?

To be able to push yourself and prepare yourself forward, right? Most athletes can't do that. And this is another way with that rear bar attachment, um, connected to the Voltra 2. We do a lot of acceleration. We can resist the athlete and they have full access to their upper half. So their arms.

most of the times you'll see like on a sled push they're holding the front bar so it's isolated so we can do that now fully with floats for floats is so remember it goes back to me right a lot of this is experimentation right so floats came by complete accident so it was up in alaska right had a kid run on a treadmill and he like kind of i was like all right off right well he didn't get off the treadmill right so i step off the treadmill and he starts literally floating back and he's back, right? The treadmill's pushing him off. And he's almost, I don't even know how to explain it, right? He was panicking, right?

And as he felt moving back, he got back towards the back of the treadmill, and he accelerated up the belt and stepped off. And I was like, reactive. Right? I'm like, dude, I said, that's pretty cool. I said, can you do that again? It was a little bit higher level athlete, right? He just got scared, right?

Because he just kind of stopped running, but it was forcing him back. And he realized he was being forced back. And he, dude, when he reacted, he leaned and accelerated up the tread and then stepped off. He's like, holy shit, man. I'm like, wait, do that again. Right? I said, I'm going to start in the backside, right?

I said, I want you to come all the way back and I want you to, right, I'll hit you and I want you to lean and accelerate and see what happens. That's what happened with floats. It's a beautiful acceleration drill. And one of the common flaws you'll see if somebody's trying to do it that has no idea what they're doing with the performance treadmill is they'll have the belt going too fast.

So the athlete is just trying to keep up with the belt on the way back and then they're shoving them up the belt. This is a drift and fire. Yeah, what do you have it at like six or seven miles an hour? I usually keep about 20% to 22%. And depending on the athlete, six to eight miles per hour, higher level athlete.

The thing is, there's two ways we do it. We go to max, meaning I want you, you're going to get up there and you're going to accelerate as many times over and over as you can until you can't do it anymore. Yeah. And there's another one we call power flow. It's where I just want you to react to my cue, right?

the cue on the backside and the cue of my voice. I want you to react. Remember I told you, I want you to react, okay? React to me, okay? Don't anticipate react. Like a sport is you have to react to sound movement, right? You can anticipate to an extent, right? But when you're accelerating, you see that hole,

you have to react to it and then go. Yeah, we want full explosion, nothing in the tank. That's the difference. If you know you only have to do five, you're going to go all out because you can hit that five. There's so many, I mean, things that you guys didn't see today that we do. How do you manipulate that stretch reflex and, you know, the central nervous system, all that? We scratch the surface.

Holds. You can do hold bounds. You can do shuffles. You can go sideways. You can go backwards, right? You can do floats. You can do what we call, there's one I call like elevators, right? If you want to like really tax them, they start at a low incline. And it's cool. You can just say go at five miles an hour or at six miles an hour. And you just hit that button and just let that treadmill slowly creep up as that incline starts. going up, right? Five miles an hour, flat is pretty easy, right? Then as that incline starts going up, what do they have to do? They're like, that, oh, shit mode hits, right? And they're like, oh, man, I have to kind of get on my horse to get up that hill. There's so many ways and things we can do that you just can't do on the ground. Question for you. Maybe, you know, we'll have to get some of

those things to test our speed on a given day so we know, like, what to set on the tread. But I'm curious, like, if I just want to come in and train on the treadmill, but I haven't tested my speed, I don't know how fast I am on the day. How should I approach it? Should I, you know what I mean? Like, should I approach it? If I'm feeling good, then just go at this, you know, the top speed I had last time or, or this past time, like, you know?

Yeah, it's an interesting question. This is also why our standard flow is we test every day. Yeah, of course. So we should figure out a way to test is your answer. You're asking if we don't have that. So let me, but let me say something before you, you know, handle the, there's always the, what do we do if we don't have this? Let's assume we have cool shit that we get to do stuff with.

Yeah. Okay. So here's something you need to do recently. The laser timers are an essential part of what we do. Okay. And there's a brand called Brower. Brower timing systems. Now, these guys have had a lot of conversations with them.

The two sons recently acquired the business from the father. This has been around for 40 years. I think they're based out of Draper, Utah. I used to live in Draper, Utah, right? I was born in Utah. So I have roots, family in Utah. So to connect with these guys was just kind of cool. And the history of that product and the quality of that product, it was used to, I believe, time ski.

Ski timing. And it's evolved. So what we did, because I don't like the user experience. of any of the existing timing gates from the user interface and the app. And I'm in the software world. If I don't like how it works, I'm going to do it myself. And so we built an app that controls the Brower timing gates. And that's what we use today to get all of your laser times. And that's something, you know, I can show you. The interface was designed to work exactly the way we want. So very cost effective. And I'm talking about.

about an incredible product if you use it the way it's designed. Did you have it hooked up to like an iPad or something too today? Yeah, that was my iPad with the app we developed. Gotcha. So that app talks to the timing device, which is a handheld device that talks to the gates. And it doesn't care where you set the gates up. It's an IR beam.

There is no reflector. You don't have to worry about is the sun shining. This thing is extremely resilient. It's extremely easy to. And we were on some gravel. That's a cool. But you saw, we flew with that. Like, I jumped on a plane with the entire system.

Nice. And we set it up at your house in two minutes. And we're getting your numbers. But I think what you're asking is you don't have that. Yeah. So you can go back to the, it. It goes back to the OG protocols, right? Once again, remember, okay, if you go in there, all right,

make sure you set it at a speed that you're capable of doing the prescribed time at the prescribed incline. The biggest mistake everybody makes is, oh, okay, I'm going to go faster, right? Once again, if you're not able to do 12 miles an hour at 25% incline, don't try to do that. And the protocols tell you this. The protocols tell you exactly what to do. Your six to eight seconds, do it exactly what it says for the exact number of sets for the exact time.

And if 10 miles an hour is too fast, lower it to nine miles an hour. Don't change the incline. Modify the speed. That's it. Yeah, and the way the treadmill is set up, it has a bunch of different programs on there. You select a program, you try to select one that's appropriate for you. You know, are you in the beginning phases of this or are you more advanced? We say everybody starts level zero.

And you start on level zero, start week one. There's very few kids that will come into the facility and say they get on and you're like, okay, that kid is, he's different. Mm-hmm. Right. She's different. Okay, you know, maybe they can start on level one. Right. Okay, but for the most part, everyone can start at level zero.

You guys were all at level zero today. Right. Right. Level zero. So imagine what it's going to take for you to get to level three. Right. Yeah, and if you start at level zero and you're finding some of it to be easy, then maybe you could start to think about.

You can adapt. You could go on to level one if you, if you're capable, right? It's all adjustable to speed. Yeah, you can adapt to it. And remember, incline, not speed. If the speed is too, say you do it and like, oh shit, 10 miles an hour is just too slow. Increasing incline. Boom.

As long as you maintain proper mechanics, no, don't increase incline, increase the speed. Follow the protocols. If I say 50% at this juncture in the protocol, stay at 15. If nine miles an hour is just too slow,

you can go up. If it's just too fast, go down. Adjust speed. Question, and this is actually, aside from the treadmill, I know this question could get super broad, but is there anything you see? because obviously strength training is important,

but is there anything you see coaches who strength train athletes, athletes that they're trying to get to be faster? Is there anything you see them doing that could be making the athletes slower without them realizing it? It goes back to movement. What are some concepts there?

To me, it's just movement, right? My thing is if they can't do, it doesn't matter if it's a squat, a deadlift, a clean, a sprint, a jump, whatever it may be, if the movement looks bad, it's bad. Don't put function on top of dysfunction. Okay?

Do I think squats are good? Yeah, I think squats are good. Do I think cleans are good? This is the comp that when we get into an argument all the time about this, right, is I don't care what we do at our facility. We have to prep the athletes to be ready for college if that's what they want to do. Okay. And part of that is when they go to college, they're going to back squat,

they're going to deadlift, they're going to power clean. Our job is to make sure that those movements when they go to that school, okay, is right. The biggest mistake most coaches make is, if you're going to talk about speed on a treadmill, they go too fast. They're trying to get them to go faster by using speed, right? Not the incline.

If they're trying to get somebody stronger, they're dosing that squat, they're dosing the clean, they're dosing the deadlift with too much weight, and their form is really, really bad. You see it all the time. Yeah. Okay?

Yeah. That's why I think velocity-based training is so much more effective, okay, is it's take that weight off the bar. Okay, and if you can't move this weight at this specific speed, take the weight off until you can move it at this specific speed or until your mechanics dictate that speed. That makes sense. Yes, that makes perfect sense. The only thing I would add to that not being an expert in any way, shape, or form is understand the value of eccentric and redirection of force and rapid redirection of force. the ability to absorb and redirect. And how do eccentrics and how do isometrics

and tendon resiliency contribute to the ability to be powerful and explosive? And that's the kind of stuff. And that's the kind of stuff. Concentric. That's where, you know, when we're talking outside the box, right, we can start talking about Caldeets. Okay, he's going to be there, right?

Look up the trifasic training. It's already, in his mind, it's probably already outdated. But to most people, it's like groundbreaking. Like, holy shit. right? Schroeder system, okay? It's been around forever, right? People are just beginning to learn like, why,

the eccentrics and the eccentric loading and the redirection of force is amazing, okay? Marinovich system, okay? You see all these people doing this crazy stuff, the Marinovich system, you're like, man, this guy's crazy, right? But it's effective. You know, the other thing I would respond to that question with is we pay very little attention to what,

we think someone is doing wrong and we extract everything that we think they might be doing right and we figure out how to apply that in combination to what we already know we believe to be the best for the athlete at the end of the day sports performance and resiliency in their health right so yeah we try not to get caught up and what are people doing wrong except for it's good to know what you don't want to do. And last question, like this is a side question on this, but what have you guys notice with isometrics and how you applied? Of course, you may be apply it many different ways for athletes, but it's something that I don't really see a lot of people talk about or pay attention to. Oh, we love isometric. We love isometric. So it goes back to if you, what is the proper application.

If we don't know what that application is, we have to do it ourselves. Yeah. Okay. So as a kind of example, is myself, my head trainer, and two of our other staff members, three of our other staff members are going through the quote unquote Schroeder system. I've never done eccentrics to the extent that I'm doing eccentrics, right? Coming down slow or even just holding a specific position for a specific amount of time. And I can tell you now I'm stronger than I've ever been. So he's talking about Dylan Rita. He's our director of sports performance. Phenomenal human being and amazing at what he does. and I tasked him with incorporating Schroeder principles. So he connected directly with Ryan Paul,

who's going to be one of the speakers out outside the box. Another amazing coach in human being. What I love is when someone is not protective and they're willing to share what they do and what they've learned. At the end of the day, is this good for athletes, I want to share. We love to connect with those people, and it's the entire purpose of outside the box, which has and always will be free for everyone to attend.

real quick question have you guys first off what do you guys use currently for isometrics and have you ever heard of the isofit the isop hit i don't know if you could pull it up ryan i've not heard that so we don't use it we you know we have sorenx racks in the in the facility so we'll do uh you know combination of what they call the overcoming yeah um again this is something where we would uh pull in dylan and say all right let's go through the programming of which isometrics we use and why but at the end of the day, we're trying to recruit muscle fiber, right? Motor unit recruitment, and we're also trying to build, like for me personally, I do a lot of isos because Pateller tendonopathy, I have none when I'm doing deep lunge isos.

Yeah. So I want to show this to you. So it's, it's, yeah, go ahead. So the way we do that is we just get a bar in a rack. Uh-huh. You don't need a device like this. Limit, limit the range of motion of the bar. Yeah.

And just pull as hard as you possibly can. Here's the thing about it too, right? It's a lot safer than, okay, doing full-blown concentric movements. Right? Because you actually recruit more muscle fibers when you do the isometrics that way. Okay, even when you come down to slow, you're like a down five count, right? And then pause and then explode back up. Yeah.

Or one cool thing that we're really starting to work with, which Ryan Paul does. Dan Fichter does it, right? Is you go from, how do they, how do they say it? They go from iso to plio. So like that right there. There's a little bit of contrast. Okay, it's a contrast. So, okay, get in there.

And I want you to get into that. That's specific position right there. The bad thing is he's on his heel. Okay, stay off your heel. Get up on your toes. That's what I like to do. Okay. Stay on the front foot of the, okay.

Every time your heel hits, you lose stretch reflex. Okay, I'm not saying it's bad. You can train sometimes with your heel down as part of it, right? But also motor patterning. Motor patterning. Running. Yeah. But you go back.

into that position, pull as hard as you possibly can. Okay, 10 seconds. I mean hard, right? And you let go and you're like, ooh, man. Yeah, so this is one way we do. We also just got an attachment that they make now that bolts up to the rack. And you can take a rod and slide it through, and it just creates an immovable object. So you go, ISO hold right, ISO hold left, then step out.

A lot of unilateral. You can do split jumps with it, or you can do broad jumps, or you can do a drop jump from a box to an explosive movement. You go from ISO to plyo. But we'll also do non-loaded, hold that deep ISO position for extended period of time. Yeah, 40, 45 seconds. And it identifies all of the longer, minute, two minutes, three minutes. Someone Schroder's guy, go five minutes.

If you get into an ISO hold like that, you should feel it there. Just hold that position. Go head over foot. Okay. And hold that position for two minutes. get in make sure that the the positioning is correct yeah get up on your front toe and you'll feel things transitioning throughout your body yeah go to guys like that yeah always cook you in those positions yeah and you guys do some of that stuff too where you're we'll also do

really pushing your weight back right and having your hips back and trying to lean forward yeah exactly do a lot of things where you're mimicking so like we were talking about that the we use the viking bar another one we use is the the the linebacker bar right so instead of doing a forward intent ford and another one Blosive movement. Huge shout out. Everybody should look this up is Lambine University. Oh, yeah.

With Alex Canales. You guys had him on the show? Dude. I think the first outside the box we did was his cert. Yeah. So we usually do a cert as well. And so we all got certified in that. So what his concept was,

I think you guys know it was right, is teaching kids to do an actual straight barbell clean, hang clean, power clean, whatever you want to do is so difficult to do. So he just modified it and turned it into landmine. Right. Dude. And then it gets into the,

There it is. It gets into the Weck method, right? Head over foot, right? You get that spiral engine. Okay? And you snap it. It's beautiful. So that's what we'll do. So that's one key thing to do too. We'll do the ISO hold right. Isso hold left. Go to the landmine and I want you to do, you know, three jerks right, three jerks left. Yeah. Right. Beautiful. You know what this highlights right here is, you know, I sent Weck a text the other day and I said,

I think there's a Z factor here. And it's a line through the shoulders and the hips. and then across the sling from opposite hip to opposite shoulder and the torsion and the torque around that axis that we really need to explore. It's not just head over foot. It's there's a rotation around a torsional axis of the rubber band that connects the hip to opposite shoulder. It goes into slings.

And he says, oh, wow, that sounds great for somebody that has, you know, Z as part of their marketing. awesome having you guys here where can people find you and where can they find out more about the upcoming seminar that you have yeah at ubersotti dot official uh instagram and at z treads outside the box april 24th and 25th it's free download the uberzati app speakers are and get your ticket we're limiting it to 100 yeah it's a limit it's a small it's a small we want to keep it that way because our big thing is we're big relationship. And it's almost at limit. So we're at, I think, 70 right now. So, yeah, I mean, Gary, you got Dan Fichter, Cal Deats, Tony Holler, Brian Kula, Ryan Paul, Les Spelman.

What am I missing? Cody Hughes. Cody Hughes. David Weck, right? David Weck. David Weck is a staple. David Weck's a staple. He's just awesome to listen to. He's outside the universe. He would be there without fail, even if he wasn't presenting. This is the last question I want to actually ask you guys. I know you're about to close out, Mark. But I don't know if you guys have messed with rope flow at all or what you think about it. Absolutely.

I love it. I love it. Movement perspective. It's, it goes to that spiral engine. Head over foot. I mean, there's so much application to it. You stay up on the front part of the foot. You know, it's plow metric.

I would say fluidity. Yeah, fluid as well. Fluidity. And if you want to talk about rotational movement, it's everything. Motor patterning. Yes. And neuroplasticity, these concepts. that we're talking about, rope flow is incredible.

Yeah. And it's, and talk about coordination and coordination patterning. That's amazing. When you see somebody like yourself doing it effectively, dude, you're like, man, that's a beautiful thing to watch. And at the end of the day, you know, the physics principle, objects in motion, stay in motion. So fellas, let's stay in motion.

Yeah. All right. Strength is never weakness. Weakness. Weakness never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.