Mark Bell's Power Project - TRT Explained: The Science of How To Boost Testosterone

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

Boost your testosterone and transform your health with this deep dive into the world of TRT! Mark Bell and Nsima Inyang hang out with Chase Irons on Mark Bell’s Power Project Podcast to break down the science behind testosterone replacement therapy, hormones, and optimizing your body.They tackle everything from managing TRT dosages, diet, and cardio to avoid side effects like bloating and high blood pressure, to strategies for building muscle and burning fat. Chase shares his insights on using peptides, GLP-1s, HGH, and even methylene blue for recovery and energy.Follow Chase on IG: https://www.instagram.com/chaseirons/Special perks for our listeners below!🥩 HIGH QUALITY PROTEIN! 🍖 ➢ https://goodlifeproteins.com/ Code POWER to save 20% off site wide, or code POWERPROJECT to save an additional 5% off your Build a Box Subscription!🩸 Get your BLOODWORK Done! 🩸 ➢ https://marekhealth.com/PowerProject to receive 10% off our Panel, Check Up Panel or any custom panel, and use code POWERPROJECT for 10% off any lab!Best 5 Finger Barefoot Shoes! 👟 ➢ https://Peluva.com/PowerProject Code POWERPROJECT15 to save 15% off Peluva Shoes!Self Explanatory 🍆 ➢ Enlarging Pumps (This really works): https://bit.ly/powerproject1Pumps explained: https://youtu.be/qPG9JXjlhpM?si=JZN09-FakTjoJuaW➢ https://withinyoubrand.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off supplements!➢ https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save 15% off all gear and apparel!Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast➢ https://www.PowerProject.live➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerprojectFOLLOW Mark Bell➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybellFollow Nsima Inyang➢ Ropes and equipment : https://thestrongerhuman.store➢ Community & Courses: https://www.skool.com/thestrongerhuman➢ YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=enFollow Andrew Zaragoza➢ Podcast Courses and Free Guides: https://pursuepodcasting.com/iamandrewz➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz/➢ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamandrewzChapters:0:00 Adjusting TRT dosages and issues with standard tests6:12 Managing health with TRT: diet, cardio, and blood pressure8:02 Steroid use myths and health risks11:33 High testosterone injections and their effects13:39 Testosterone’s impact on body composition and gym results17:20 TRT side effects: bloating, blood pressure, and fat retention22:06 Expert recommendations for blood work and injection techniques28:22 Struggles with body fat, diet, and TRT results32:05 Glucagon, fat burning, and low energy37:15 Balancing bodybuilding goals with life satisfaction38:54 Intermittent fasting for calorie control42:01 Costs and variations in TRT treatments43:37 GLP-1 peptides for appetite control and fat loss47:19 Testosterone optimization: lifestyle vs. medication52:15 Exploring new testosterone boosters and alternatives57:25 Heart health and the role of vitamin K21:02:35 GLP-1 side effects and stomach digestion hacks1:08:02 Peptides for muscle recovery and fat metabolism1:13:10 Researching before starting TRT or hormone programs1:14:42 Footwear for natural toe spread and comfort1:17:36 Insulin mismanagement and lessons learned1:23:36 Insulin and growth hormone use in bodybuilding1:28:57 Combining testosterone and HGH for better results1:34:28 Benefits of methylene blue and red light therapy1:39:32 Comparing HGH therapies and their effectiveness1:41:29 Key business lessons for entrepreneurs1:46:50 Building a sellable business for long-term value

Do you feel like TRT dosages are like a little bit on the low side? Yes. Oh yeah. I think the blood work ranges are off. I think that they can definitely move those up. Can I get an amen from everybody listening? With TRT, I think starting at about like 200 and slowly bumping yourself up. 50 milligrams every month or so and just feel it out. Take your time working your way up so your body can adapt to it, instead of just like making a big jump and getting all the bloat.

What are the more popular peptides that you sell on your site that bodybuilders seem to be attracted to that they like? BPC-157 and TB-500, those two things. BPC, it creates more HGH receptors on your muscles, so it's gonna make your HGH work better. It helps repair your muscles, helps repair connective tissue.

It's one also that you don't become desensitized from. So you can use it all the time. So let's just dive right into all this. You have taken the most amount of testosterone in the history of the world. All right, Chase Irons, welcome to the show, buddy. Hey, what's up? Thanks for coming out, man.

Yeah, no. So let's just dive right into all this. You have taken the most amount of testosterone in the history of the world. That's public about it, I guess. That would probably be the best way to put it. The one that's the most honest about it, I would say, in recent years. But there's some controversy over it. Supposedly there was a higher amount of testosterone.

Well, that gets brought up the most, that Dallas McCarver beat me. RIP, Dallas McCarver. Yes, indeed, yeah, with his piss test, which was like, I think it was like 54,000 or something like that. This is all allegedly, who really knows? Well, yeah, no, they did test it, and that's what it came back as,

but Derek made a video about that a long time ago and was like, it doesn't count. It's not the same as blood. So yeah, he's, and when, once you've passed, everything will kind of like go to certain fluids and it'll just really get out of proportion. And why was your blood upwards of 20,000? 20,000 nanograms per deciliter

because I wanted to test the tests and see if they could read that high because there's a lot of blood work tests out there that will only read up to 1500, depending on how much money you spend on the test, but it'll cap out at 1500 and then there's some that cap out at 10,000. And then as far as I know,

I mean, that's the last cap. And then if you buy the most expensive testosterone test, it goes well beyond that, well beyond 20,000, which was what we were testing to figure out. Kind of experiment too. It was quite, yeah, no, that was quite the experiment. And it lasted for, it was about 20 weeks of titrating up over every month getting new blood work done.

But yeah, no, I started at 2000, two grams a test. I mean, and it wasn't just testosterone that I was taking at that time because I didn't want my estrogen to get out of control. So I, at the start, I included equipoise in there and because equipoise is going to blunt your estrogen a little bit. It's not going to aromatize. Right.

So, well, it like, it aromatizes into estrone and like that ends up blocking the estrogen receptor and keeps your levels low. You don't end up getting estrogen side effects. So I like threw in EQ in there as a side car and started working my way up. So I was like, it was like 2000 test, 1000 EQ and then went and got blood work. And then, I mean, I don't know the exact numbers. It's all in my, in YouTube videos now, but it was like on 2000 tests, it was like,

my numbers came back at like 4,000 nanograms per deciliter. Typically that's kind of like the way the ratio ended up going was like a, well, I mean, what would that be? Two to one, you know. Give us a little bit of a breakdown of good and bad. Like what were you feeling? Well, I mean, so that's one thing where I've been on,

on gear for, since like, yeah, since 2010. So I feel like, which I know you guys might be hard to believe that because I'm not huge, but I'm not natty looking. I would say. You're pretty jacked. But anyways, yeah, I feel like the longer that you've been on, the less negatives

that you're gonna experience, the less side effects you're gonna get, and the more normal you're just gonna feel all the time. So I don't really feel like I react strongly to anything. So I don't really feel like I react strongly to anything. So I felt normal. I felt like TRT. Even when you got up over 10,000,

you still felt, did you feel any different in the gym? You feel any more aggressive? Were you hornier or like? So like, if anything, or like... So like, if anything, like, well, things definitely, as I was titrating up in the doses, there's definitely more libido every time we bumped the dose. There'd be like a couple weeks where libido was like, definitely took a tick up. So it was like first month, 2000 tests, 1000 EQ.

Second month, we went to like, it was like 4000 tests, 2000 EQ. After the blood work on that, my estrogen was like below a five. And I was like, okay, that's too much EQ. And then I believe I went to like 5,000 tests and I think I brought the EQ down just a tad. And then got blood work again and estrogen was still under a five. And I could tell that I was a little bit,

a little bit, you know'm a little more aggravated, and I could just feel that, but it wasn't much. I could tell there was something there. I think before I got the blood work, I was like, I'm pretty sure my estrogen's low, and sure enough, it was. Some guys say, and you're on a combination of things a little bit there too, but some guys say

that they've noticed almost some fat burning properties when you get into like the upper stratosphere of taking testosterone. Did you experience any of that? Well, so, so one thing that I was doing also to mitigate side effects was I was dieting the whole way through it because I knew that if I was going to be, you know, taking a high amount of stuff

and if I was gonna be like trying to bulk in any way. Right. You feel like your head's gonna blow off. Right, yeah, because I wanted to keep my blood pressure under control. Like those are the big things. It was like I wanted to keep my blood pressure under control. I wanted to make sure that my blood work markers stayed okay.

And you know, I wanted to make sure my sleep stayed fine. Like I wanted to keep my health and if anything started to skew in the wrong way, I would have just pulled the plug and like, okay, this isn't worth it. The best way to do that was to stay in a caloric deficit throughout and do cardio throughout. I was doing everything that I could to maintain good blood pressure and I did the whole way through. Everything was in its place. There was also a lot of ancillary.

I was using blood pressure medication as well to keep everything under control. I was using a statin to keep my LDL cholesterol under 100, which it was crushed actually, it was like 50. I mean, my HDL was as well though, but that's beside the point. Your cholesterol was really low, maybe because of some of the anti-estrogen properties of the equipoise? I mean, you can get a little bit from that,

but I was using azetimibe and resubastatin, and both of those just absolutely crushed the LDL cholesterol. I was talking with a buddy of mine not too long ago, and I was in his house, and there was another guy there, and this one guy was kind of saying, he's like, well, I'm pretty much natural. He's like, I've hardly taken anything,

and then the other guy was like, he's like, what about that Anivar? He's like, and I gave'm pretty much natural. He's like, I've hardly taken anything. And then the other guy was like, he's like, what about that Anivar? He's like, and I gave you tests not that long ago. He's like, you went through both of those. You went through both of them quick. And he was like, oh yeah, I kind of forgot about that. And then a couple of minutes later, the guy's talking about like taking Winstroll

and like all this other stuff. I was like, it's funny because the way that you're speaking right now might be a little foreign to some of the people listening, even though we talk about steroids on here. People might be a little foreign to some of the people listening, even though we talk about steroids on here. People might be a little confused at like you throwing so many different things at particular situations or particular experiments

that you're doing. And it might sound haphazard, it might sound completely reckless and we can both admit maybe there is some recklessness to it. We only know what we know. But this is stuff that you've been researching and looking into for a long time, not just like jabbing yourself with all kinds of crazy stuff.

Yeah, no, I mean, this is definitely stuff that I've been paying attention to for a long time. And again, it's not like I'm going into this and putting my head in the sand and being like, I don't care what things look like, I'm gonna go to the end and see it through. It was just, because- You're getting blood worked on,

you're getting things checked out. I mean, blood pressure is gonna be the first thing that goes, that you want to look out for. And that was the one thing that I was really just harping on myself about. And to the point where I had low blood pressure, where it was just like, there were points where I could drop the Tomi Sardin dose that I was on, or that there was even a points where I could drop the tell me certain dose that I was on or

there was even a point where I was, I dropped it out and was just using like the Bivalol instead and but yeah, like I was staying on top of that thing and like trying to treat it as much of an experiment as possible that wasn't going to kill me. Like I didn't have, I don't have some sort of like death wish from drugs to like, you know, end my life doing these experiments. But yeah, don't try any of this at home, that's for sure. So it was like, I got to the point where I was like

5,000 tests, 1,500 EQ, and I was like, okay, screw the EQ. I'm just going to, I'm going to drop that out. And I replaced those milligrams with more tests. So I was like, okay, we dropped, dropped the 1500 and I think we went to 6,000 tests only by itself. And at that point I was floating around like a 1200 to 1400 nanogram per deciliter. And I was like, I was getting towards kind of like the end of the timeline that I wanted to do this because I didn't really want to be like pushing this for beyond 16 and 20 weeks. So yeah, because you just don't want that much time under tension

with all of this stuff. Because eventually, you know, something, something would likely give your luck and the blood pressure would start to shoot up and it's like, okay, now with all of this stuff, because eventually, something would likely give. Your luck's gonna run out. And the blood pressure would start to shoot up, and it's like, okay, now you gotta force yourself to stop. So I wanted to be able to stop before I needed to force myself to stop. So we were at 6,000 tests,

and then I moved to 8,000 tests, and I only did that for, it was like three weeks and I went and got blood work and I wasn't super confident at that point that I was going to get over 20,000 considering where the last blood test showed. And because the blood work, like you go get it, it doesn't come back immediately. It takes a week or two for it to come back in. So it was like, okay, I did 8,000. I wasn't super confident that I was going to come back in. So it was like, okay, I did 8,000. I wasn't super confident that I was gonna get over that.

So I was like, the very next week, so it was like I gave blood work, very next week I was like, screw this, let's do 10 grams. And just shot it all within like four days. Just like back to back days, it was like, I can't even, it was like 10 milliliters each day. So it was like 40 mils in four days. And then went right in, got blood work again.

And then it was a waiting game. And then I stopped injecting everything. Then it was just a waiting game. And then the 8,000 came in and it said it was 19,000. And I was 19,000. And I was like, oh man, I don't know. I don't know if 10,000 was going to be enough. And then, you know, another week goes by and then the 10,000 score comes in

and it ended up being like 20,009 or something like that. So I was just like, oh my God, I can't believe that did it. But, and that it only, it, yeah, it only increased by like a thousand in that last two thousand that I bumped it up. But I also only gave it like literally that week to kind of like raise my levels. So if I would have been able to like maintain that shot schedule for maybe three weeks, it probably would have went a lot higher. But the thing that I do really remember about all that from last year was when I stopped injecting

and the inflammation from like injecting went away and I had like everything, you know, it took about a week but the week after that week was the best that I felt and was the best that I had looked like ever. Like a lot of the thumbnails that I use are that week where I look not- You just sent your body in overdrive. So it was like everything was full, everything was lean.

And I was just like, what the fuck? Like, yeah, so like scroll up just a little bit. Like everything was full, everything was lean, and I was just like, what the fuck? Like, yeah, so like scroll up just a little bit. Like those pictures, those thumbnails there. Like, yeah, like that one, the one in the top left. Yeah. Where things were just like, just super wide and just like, I was like, remember looking at my,

the way that I usually film stuff is my phone will connect to my camera, so I'll be like looking at my, the way that I usually film stuff is my phone will connect to my camera, so I'll be like looking at my phone, I'm like what the fuck? Is that what, is this what things are looking like right now? They're like oh shit. Yeah, so and that was, that was at,

I was like 250 around there, so yeah. Yeah, so after everything kind of like settled down and it was kind of like the best look that I had created thus far. And yeah, it was a fun time. Did you feel stronger in the gym? You notice anything there? You know, I don't really focus a whole lot

on strength anymore, because I'm just scared to death of getting hurt. So I mean, yeah, there was definitely more strength, but I mean, yeah, workouts were awesome. Great pumps. And like I said, this was all happening in a deficit too. So it's just kind of like, yeah, it was really cool. It's pretty wild.

When did you start getting into performance enhancing drugs? You said like around 2010. What was, I like this interview where you're like, yeah, I'm Chase Irons, I'm on steroids. Dude, that whole thing was so crazy. Cause like I'm up there with Vigor Steve and all these like doctors and whatever. And they said, introduce yourself.

Like, and so they're going down the line and I'm sitting there and they're all talking for like a minute about who they are and what they've done. And I'm like, what the fuck am I gonna say? And she just hands it over to me and my mind just, I just black out and I'm like, that's what came out. It was like, and everybody just starts laughing. And I was like, oh my God, I don't know what just happened.

But yeah. Yeah, steroids are, you know, they're so like vilified, you know, even still like when someone says steroids and then people are confused, you know, they don't know that testosterone is a steroid, TRT, we're still talking about steroids. TRT clinic could be a steroid clinic. I mean, they're interchangeable.

I know that like there is some different dialogue around taking a TRT dose versus someone being on a cycle of steroids, people tend to take more. What are some of your thoughts after being someone that experiments, do you feel like TRT dosages are a little bit on the low side? Yes, oh yeah, yeah, for sure. I think the blood work ranges are off.

I think that they can definitely move those up. Hell yeah they can move those up. Can I get an amen from everybody listening? I mean let's go. I think it should be more. There's not gonna be a lot of negative sides from. When it's just tests, no. I mean like I said, the number one thing that you need

to watch out for is your blood pressure. And if you're paying attention to that, as long as you're focusing on that and that's good, I mean, because most of the negatives are gonna stem from that. Like your blood pressure starts coming up, that's gonna cause your heart to enlarge because it's under strain.

That's gonna screw up your kidneys because they're running a fire hose through a coffee filter. So it's just, the blood pressure is the start of the downfall. So take your test, you know, if you're focusing on that, your blood pressure, take your test up to what you can handle to keep your blood pressure okay.

That's how I look at it. A TRT dose doesn't really even, doesn't make that big of a dent really. I guess it can be like, yeah, there's a range of people that it might matter for a little bit more, you know? Typically, the more overweight you are, the more fat cells you have, the more water they're going to pull in, and that's gonna raise your blood pressure. So if you're somebody that's pretty overweight, you have to be pretty careful. Otherwise.

Well said, that makes sense. Yeah, if you're like the average dude getting on, it's highly unlikely that you're gonna have a problem, but you still need to pay attention to what you're doing. Because. Start feeling that pressure behind your eyeballs. Yeah, when you bend down, if you're trying to tie your shoes and you feel like your face is going to explode,

that's a sign that it's probably high. So that's a very easy way to test it. Yeah, if you can't put your socks on, just reach them down. What was the first cycle you ever did and what kind of impact did it have? Oh, I got all the side effects when I first started. It was terrible.

I mean, I just went, it was like a straight 500 test and it was like 20 D ball. Just getting so bloated. It was all bloat. Yeah, no, it was so like lit. No, like the thing that the- I love working out. No, it wasn't even that.

I just hated myself. Like it was, I got so bloated. The only thing that I really remember is that, I remember one time I woke up, I woke up like extra early, you know, in 2010, I was 26, how old was I? I don't even know. No, I was 20, I was thinking that, 24 or something.

I can't remember. I got up early, went to GameStop to buy a new game that came out. I remember being so, my face was so bloated, my lips were so bloated that I couldn't even talk straight. Like my lips were like, you can't even do it, but they were just like tripping over themselves and I was trying to speak and I was just like,

what the hell is happening? See, we love that, like in powerlifting, that was like, that was great. Like that was, we call it like maximum health. Looked like I got punched in the face. It was terrible. Yeah, no, my first cycle experience was awful. And I just forced myself through it

because I thought, this is how we do it, this is what we do, this is what we go through, I guess. And my ankles were huge. My feet got super fat. And then, you know, you go on the blue top HGH, and then your feet get even fatter. And your hands get fat. Like it was just all bad.

I don't know. It was not a good experience at all. So you can mitigate side effects, like just everybody's where maybe people that haven't taken anything, or people that are on the fence, you could very easily mitigate side effects by simply just taking less.

So we're not necessarily, I'm not against TRT, you're not against TRT. We're just saying we think that dosages are a little bit light, and that you could probably take a little bit light and that you could probably take a little bit more and still not see the negative sides. And I think, you know, a little bit more like, what do you think we're talking about? Like somebody takes, I don't know, 160 milligrams of test.

What would you maybe, because they're limited with TRT, they can't prescribe like Masteron and PrimaBolin and all the fun stuff that works really well. Well yeah, I mean, like 500 is definitely too much to start off on. But like, with TRT, I mean, I think starting at about like, 200 and slowly bumping yourself up. If you need it. If you need it, and as long as your blood pressure's good, 50 milligrams every month or so and just feel it out.

So you go from 200 to 250 to 300, and just take your time working your way up so your body can adapt to it, you know, instead of just like making a big jump and getting all the bloat and then being like, it's so much easier to, you know, if you go up slow, you'll know where you're good at so that when you go too far, you know where to back off to.

You know, because if you go from 350 to 400 and you start to feel all the side effects, you know, your tits start buzzing, then it's like, okay, 400's too much, let's go back to 350 and that's our chill spot. And you know, by the way, if you're gonna use a company like Merrick Health, which sponsors this podcast, they're not gonna be all frowny face on you

if you tell them the truth. If you say, hey, you know what, I wanna take this to the next level, I'm on a little bit of primo, you know, I'm on a little bit of, whatever the side ancillary stuff is that you're taking, they will work with you through that process, and also they're not, they will work with you through that process. And also they're not gonna push a bunch of drugs

on you either. So if people are looking and they wanna get their blood work tested and not everybody knows all this space the way that someone like Chase does. And so it's really important to have someone, you probably still have people double checking your blood work. It's important to have someone reading and checking

that blood work to have an interpretation of what the hell's going on. I let Steve look at my blood work. Vigor Steve, yeah, you've had him on here. But I have him look at my blood work and he approves. So he's somebody that's worth having a look at it. But yeah, yeah, that was actually, we made a video together where he deep dives

on my blood work when I was actually, we made a video together where he deep dives on my blood work when I was at, I think I was at about the 6,000 testosterone range and he was like, looking good, here we go. So we also have to talk about this, before we move forward and start talking about like peptides and stuff, I do want to definitely get into the topic of like helping people to figure out a way to look good.

Helping people to figure out a way to lose 20, 30, 40 pounds and just be in better shape. And I think you and I can probably agree on some like a TRT dosage with some peptides on the side and stuff like that could probably work really, really well for a lot of people. But before we move forward, I want to make sure that we don't skip over the fact

that you mentioned 40 milliliters in like four days. I mean, imagine you're injecting everywhere, your butt, your quad, your shoulder. So yeah, the main injection spots would be, well, it's so like, you get a three mil syringe, it'll hold three and a half mils. When you go, you got the three, and then you got the little gap after.

Not many people know these little side things, this is very important. You can pull it to three and a half. So it was like, you know, you could do three and a half in one quad, three and a half in the other, so that's seven, and you got three and a half in one glute, three and a half in the other, it's 14, then you got three and a half in one., so that's seven. Then you got three and a half in one glute, three and a half in the other, that's 14. Then you got three and a half in one.

How many would you do in a day? Like at least 10. Well, it'd be like three spots, yeah. I mean, yeah, it'd be like I'd do quad glute. And this isn't no insulin. Venture glute, no, yeah, it's a big needle. Yeah, no, it's a 23 gauge.. Yeah, right. It's a big needle. Yeah, no, it's a 23 gauge.

I'm surprised you didn't buy stuff that's just like for horses or something because they make those giant ones that are like 10 ml. Well, yeah, well, I didn't want to put that much in one spot, but yeah. Five ml. But yeah, like there's quad glute, ventra glute, which is kind of like your hip. And then there's your lat, your lat, your rear delt, your side delt, kind of rear side delt and then kind of like front side delt. And then traps. And then, yeah, I mean, those would be the main spots.

Like I didn't really mess around with biceps and triceps. I would save that for things that are less painful. And then, and those, I mean, cause that's, so that's eight different spots on one side of your body. 16 if you count both sides. So you know, 16 times three and a half. And then how much is like, you know, how much is like a bottle of testosterone, usually like 50 bucks, 100 bucks?

Well, yeah, no, I mean, most people can get it for 40 to 50 bucks, yeah. Per every 10 ML. Yeah, 10 ML. And then, so you were just, I mean, you must've rifled through a crazy amount of testosterone during that cycle. There was-

Crazy amount of bottles. testosterone during that cycle. There was a crazy amount of bottles. There was a portion of it where I had learned that testosterone isocaproate will hold at 400 milligrams per milliliter and be not painful. So I was like, this can help. See, we need people like this. We need people with these discoveries. That's a big deal.

So this can help a little bit, but I didn't use it through the whole thing. I ended up running out part of the way through. Yeah, so it didn't end up using it when I needed it at the moment. It's just painful, man. That many shots is a lot. I mean, once you get't end up using it when I needed it the most painful man that many shots It's a lot. I mean once you get kind of used to it It's just once the muscle can handle three mils because like that was three mils like the rear delt

You know like that's not a big. That's not a big spot, but it can handle it once you get you know used to it So yeah, once a muscle can like absorb it Yeah, you really you can't it's really not that big of a deal. The lat is a great spot. A lot of people don't think about that. But if there is a way, I mean, there is a way. Use a five mil syringe. You just have to get the right needle on there.

I remember I was at a Powerless Game Meet one time and I was talking to this real fat guy and he's asking me how I do my shots and he's like, man, he's like, I gotta like, I gotta get the syringe and then I gotta put it, like poke it into my butt and he's like, I'm not mobile enough to like stay sideways that long.

Yeah. And to get to the plunger, he's like, so I just hold it and I lean up against my refrigerator. I've heard. And push the rest of it in and I was just like, he's like, so I just hold it and I lean up against my refrigerator and push the rest of it in. And I was just like, why couldn't I have coached like volleyball or something? Why am I in this goddamn sport? This fat guy asked him how to put stuff in his butt.

Yeah, that's bad. That's bad when you can't push the plunger. Yeah. No, yeah. You can cramp up. Or the lat too. Like you try to get the lat, you can kind of cramp up sometimes. You can.

I mean, you just have to angle. You have to use your, you have to use the tables, you know? So like a rear delt, you put your elbow on there, like this has the syringe and then you're like this and do it that way. But, and it's kind of the same thing with a lat. Like you get up against the wall and push it against the wall to like get your arm way over there. All the tricks of the trade. Yeah, you gotta use the furniture.

All right, let's just take a made up person, okay? Let's say someone's, I don't know, someone's like 260, a little bit on the heavier side. They'll probably look good if they get down to 215, 220. So they got like around 40 pounds of body fat to lose. They've tried a bunch of diets and they've struggled. They're kind of addicted to food, but maybe they got a little muscle on them.

They've been training, they like training. Cause I know a lot of people that fit this bill, a lot of people like training. They don't have any problem getting to the gym. They'll get to the gym, at least three times a week minimum. And they like it. They're all in on some training,

but they just really struggle with the diet. They tend to sabotage themselves. They might like eat pretty well during the day. They might have vertical diet kind of thing going. And then the snacks kind of creep in later at night. And so they just never really lose the body fat that they're looking for. Maybe they're 22% body fat or something like that.

And they've been thinking about TRT. They're not sure like, is it gonna really help? Is it gonna really make a difference? They've heard a bunch of different things. They heard that you gotta pay attention to your blood pressure. They've heard a bunch of different things. They heard that you gotta pay attention to your blood pressure. They've heard all these different scenarios and they just wanna look good

and they wanna look like they lift. They wanna hold on to their muscle mass and they want what everybody wants. They wanna look jacked and tan. They wanna look like they're in good shape but they still wanna hold on like a good amount of muscle in the end. How do we navigate this? Because I'm thinking with your knowledge of peptides,

you'll probably come up with something pretty cool. Well, I mean, I would definitely start off. I mean, the thing that I have seen change the most lives at this point is absolutely retitrutide for sure. Can you describe to us what that is and what it does? So like, so everybody knows Ozempic, that's a GLP-1 receptor agonist, which it,

the easiest way to explain Ozempic is that when you inject it, it makes you feel sick. It makes you feel sick to your stomach and you don't want to eat. And you don't want to look at food, you don't want to think about food. And that's the most bro-way to think about it. That's the first, not the first generation, but the first generation that most everybody knows of GLP-1 receptor agonists. The next generation was Terzepotide, which is a GLP-1 and they combined with it GIP,

which is, it stands for like, like, what is it? Glycogon. Is it glucagon? That's not glucagon, it's glycogen, insulin, glycogen, glycogenetic, insulin, I can't, what GIP does is it makes you more insulin sensitive. It makes your body put out more insulin and it takes away the nausea that the GLP-1 causes.

So it's, it basically made Ozempic better. So Terzepatide is a better version of Ozempic. The next thing that's on the way, it's not out yet to like the FDA's market. It's not FDA approved yet. It's going to be a thing very soon in probably the next year or two. So the third generation is Rettitrutide and it's a GLP-1. It has GIP, so it has what terzepotide

has. But then they also added to it glucagon, which glucagon will basically go into the liver and it'll tell the liver to release its glycogen so then you get energy from the glycogen that that's releasing but then when the liver has released its glycogen it's going to start eating the fat in the liver which prevents fatty liver disease but it also goes to your fat cells and releases energy from them. So glucagon in a way is also a fat burner, which speeds up your energy from that as well. So retitrutide is like, it's a fat burner and it makes you eat less

and it makes you more insulin sensitive, makes you put out more insulin, makes you more responsive to insulin. Yeah, what is it? Dr. Justin Marchegiani Gluco-dependent insulin tropic polypeptide? Dr. Justin Marchegiani Yeah, that's it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Dude, how could you forget that? Dr. Justin Marchegiani I don't know. Dr. Justin Marchegiani It's a mouthful. Dr. Justin Marchegiani I remember the important things about these.

It makes you more insulin sensitive and it makes you put out more insulin. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani And through that, it makes you less nauseous. So this person that I described, this person being 260 pounds, 22% body fat, it sounds like already that they could literally just take that and that would be a really good start, perhaps.

A huge start. Like I said, I've heard. I mean, the testosterone could, you know, if they do get on TRT, the testosterone can assist so they don't lose muscle mass. But is losing muscle mass a problem for people that may take retichotide that aren't enhanced and people that are maybe, you know,

not eating enough protein or something like that? Or is it, doesn't work like Ozempic maybe? Well, so the problem with, like I said, with Ozempic is like, it just makes you feel sick and you can't eat at all. It's kind of targeting one main thing. You know, yeah, like you, like I said, with Ozempic is like, it just makes you feel sick and you can't eat at all. It's kind of targeting one main thing. You know, yeah, like you don't want to eat anything. And if you can't eat anything,

yeah, you're gonna lose muscle. Like if you feel sick, you're not gonna wanna train, you're not gonna wanna eat, and you're just gonna lose everything. One of the issues with terzepatide is that, because it doesn't have the glucagon, you're not going to have the energy that you get from retitrutide. So you're going to feel more lethargic.

People do very well on it. They can still eat enough protein. People do very good on trisipatide. But there can be an issue with training. But with the retitrutide, it's like you get energy from it, you get a blunting of the appetite, but it's not so strong that you can't eat enough at all, unless you take too much.

Like, I mean, the danger is in the dose. Like you have to be smart about your dosing, you have to know what you're doing with that. Because if you do take any of these, like sure, Terzepatide, they've fixed the nausea if you're dosing it properly. If you take, you know, if, like the standard starting dose is like two milligrams a week.

If you jump into the first week and take four milligrams, you're gonna feel sick and you're gonna be puking and shitting your brain down. With Retinotrutide? With any, yeah, with any of them. Like you can absolutely take away too much. And I know some people, cause like the standard starting dose for RETA

is two milligrams a week. Like that's where the research, they start people at, and then from there it's like, okay, assess where you need to go. So it's like, I know some people that took two milligrams the starting week and they felt nothing, like, I know some people that took two milligrams the starting week and they felt nothing, like nothing at all.

And that was me. I took it the first couple of weeks, I was taking two milligrams, didn't really notice anything. I was like, okay, let's go to the next step. And in the research that they did, people went from two milligrams to four milligrams. So it's like, all right, I'm just gonna go from two to four. So as soon as I switched to four, after one week,

it was about halfway through the week, I just felt like a light switch flipped. And I was just like, in this new zen of, wow, I really don't want to eat that. I don't, I'm not thinking about food all the time. I... And is it almost more so targeted towards like shitty food? Is it like helping with, for you,

is it helping with cravings or some people you've heard from? Well, I mean, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, I can, it gives, it's like, I don't know. I feel like a lot of people are just gonna be like, well, why don't you just not eat it? Like, I feel like for me, it's such a big deal because I got into, part of the reason I got into steroids was because I had a like serious eating disorder and I kind of like

always stuck around in the background. So like for someone like me, it was a really big deal for that to be turned off and be like, I can say no to stuff, you know, whether it was good or bad. I could just be like, I don't need that. I don't need it. I don't want it.

It's fine. I don't want it. Because like, I'm just like, I'm somebody where if I have something, I just want more of it. Like I definitely have that like addictive personality and I've definitely like turned it towards bodybuilding for sure. Why is it so interesting?

Like it's almost sad in a way. And I think this even about myself sometimes, like, why is it not enough? Like, why is something not, you know, it's like there's so many great things going on. There's so many cool things. And I'm lucky, I guess, in the fact that like I do pause, I do celebrate, I do try to stop and smell the roses.

Like I am very grateful. I'm very, I have a lot of gratitude. It's something that I've practiced for years when I wake up in the roses. Like I am very grateful. I'm very, I have a lot of gratitude. It's something that I've practiced for years when I wake up in the morning. It's just this little practices of being thankful and grateful and appreciative of the things that are going on. But with your training or with your own body,

you know, your own strength or whatever these things are that you're chasing after, it seems like sometimes you get some of them and you just don't care that much. Yeah. No, yeah. And I've gotten to the point now, and I think that Reda has helped me a lot with that, in that I'm kind of more so on my way towards more of like, more like an actual kind of health phase.

Did you have any issues with binging? Oh yeah, yeah. That was my big thing. I think that's way more prevalent in bodybuilding and stuff that people could ever even possibly imagine. Oh yeah. Because bodybuilders don't look like they, you know, they don't look like they binged on bad food.

No, no, yeah. That's 100% like, and that's why intermittent fasting works so well for me. It's because I know I can eat a lot of food and I kind of leverage that in a way for me to be like, I'm going to go throughout the day, like focusing on my work and doing all these things and not worrying about eating. And then I get my food in, in the afternoon. And a lot of people would look at that and be like, that's a shit load of food. But it's like intermittent fasting kind of masks that. You're not really all that responsible

when you're left to your own devices. So you have to kind of say, hey, look, the rules are very simple. We're just not going to eat. Yeah, yeah. Rather than just keeping that window open all day where you might over consume calories. I mean, it's just, yeah, and so they're just keeping that window open all day right you might over consume calories I mean, it's just yeah, I that's that's that's that's just kind of the way the way my mind works with it

And it's so like I get to the afternoon and I'll have my meal and it'll be it'll be all good food and And with red on top of it. It's like I get full and I get real full and I'm just like and it ends up only being and then on top of it, it's like, I get full and I get real full and I'm just like, and it ends up only being 2000 calories when it feels like it's four or 5000 calories. And you're gonna have a hell of a time losing weight. Like if you're somebody, it depends on where you're coming from,

but you're gonna have a hell of a time losing weight, even if it's natural foods, even if it's good healthy foods. And I think that's what a lot of bodybuilders kind of suffer from. And then also there's just like, you're depriving yourself. You know, you're depriving yourself of sweets and depriving yourself of certain things. And yes, there's room for some stuff

and you can kind of, if it fits your macros, squeeze some stuff in here and there. But I think many of us are guilty of like some self sabotage and it probably doesn't happen like during the day. It probably happens in the latter half of the day. Maybe it happens on like a weekend and stuff. But you gotta, to move the scale, you gotta be working pretty hard.

And it sounds like what you're describing about something like Reddit True Tide just makes the whole process that much easier. Well, it's, so like, I've been using it for a year now. And in this last year, it has been 100% the easiest to stay fit, stay leaner, because I'm not thinking about food all the... This is like the first, like we're coming up on two years

of not tracking macros anymore, which is insane to me, because I was so obsessed with like making sure I hit my numbers and thinking about what's the next meal going to be, how am I going to set up my last meal of the day, how many ounces of meat am I going to eat, how many ounces of rice or whatever, and just constantly it was always on my mind. I love it. You're no longer, I call it a calorie counting cunt. Yeah, it just takes that away. Like it gives you the freedom to focus your energy on something else.

And it's just so, it's so liberating to not, to not have to worry about your macros anymore because now finally your body tells you to stop eating when you're well, well below what you can really handle. So it's like, you know, I'll make, I'll make, you know, my standard meal and I'll eat what I can of it. And, you know, when I'm done, I don't want anymore and I'll put it in some Tupperware, I'll throw it in the fridge

and my wife will take it to lunch, you know, for work the next day. And that's that. It's important for people to know that, what we're talking about, RetiTrueTide, it is injectable. And I think you have some on your site. And I've checked out some prices. I've been trying to purchase some or show some

or get some for some family members and some friends, or at least direct them to some of these websites. And I'm usually seeing like, it's a few hundred bucks usually like a hundred, I wanna say I saw like 160, 180 for 10 milligrams, yours is like 90 bucks? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 95. If you use my code chase, you get 10% off. Yeah.

85 if you do that. Yeah, no, it's, I... That seems like a reasonable price. What, like let's just talk for a moment about like side effects like even if you It's okay. We know that you can take too much And you're saying like if you're in like a two milligram dosage that that's reasonable For maybe the first week or two for most people usually the first month, you know, it's pretty good. I've noticed that women Women tend to need less. Most women, they'll start at like two milligrams and they'll be like, they'll feel sick and they'll go down

to one and be like, okay, this is a good spot for me. But some women, again, it's like, you do not want to just copy what your friend is doing because there's no telling how, what your dose is going to be. Because that's, I hear that's, that's so many times. Low and slow everybody, low and slow. Where they're like, where, where, you know, a woman will contact me and be like, oh, my friend's doing four milligrams of it and she's got great results. I want to go on four milligrams of it. And it's just like, no, don't do it. Please start at the start. You have to start at the start and adjust it for you.

And that's one thing where I feel like your body type or how much fat you hold on your body or how you react to food, because we all put off GLP-1. When we eat, we all put off that hormone. We have GLP-1 receptors When we eat, we all put off that hormone. We have GLP-1 receptors all over our bodies. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. What I think they're finding is that the leaner people, the people that are more lean, natural, like the more ectomorph you are, the more GLP-1 you put out or the more sensitive you are to GLP-1. You don or the more sensitive you are to GLP-1 and you just, you don't eat

near as much as anybody else. You have that natural tendency to be like, I'm full, I'm done, I don't need anymore. And that's how they just live their lives. And now that we kind of have that for everybody else, now we can kind of like live like them and feel normal in a way. But yeah, that peptide has been a game, like it's one of the few things that have come out recently that you can, I would absolutely call a game changer

for the community. And I mean, I priced it as such because, I mean, our community of bodybuilders, like we want to spend our money on drugs and food and the gym and we don't have money for anything else because that's what we spend all of our time on. We don't have the best jobs. So.

Would you say that Reddit True Tide is like comparable to being as effective as something like testosterone in terms of like what testosterone does for a physique or muscle gain and then maybe like, because it seems like a moderate and modest dosages of testosterone, especially monitored, seems to have like very, very minimal to low to maybe even no side effects.

Would you say that you feel that retitrutide is like on par with what testosterone can do for men and women? I think it's better. I would say, I mean, you definitely wanna get your blood work checked and see where testosterone levels are and adding tests to the mix would absolutely be great with it as well.

But if you go and get your blood tested and your testosterone, if you're good, if you're sitting around a 600, 800, somewhere around there, wherever, 1,000, wherever you're sitting, I wouldn't worry about your test. I would worry, not worry, but I think that would be a safer, easier, an easier first step to your weight loss and making progress quickly too. It's impressive the amount of progress that people are making within the first month that they use it. I will never go to a doctor ever again about my general health.

All they want to do is put you on pills. Really well said there by Dana White. Couldn't agree with him more. A lot of us are trying to get jacked and tanned. A lot of us just want to look good, feel good. And a lot of the symptoms that we might acquire as we get older, some of the things that we might have, high cholesterol or these various things, it's amazing to have somebody looking at your blood work

as you're going through the process, as you're trying to become a better athlete, somebody that knows what they're doing, they can look at your cholesterol, they can look at the various markers that you have, and they can kind of see where you're at, and they can help guide you through that. And there's a few aspects too, where it's like,

yes, I mean, no, no shade to doctors, but a lot of times they do want to just stick you on medication. A lot of times there is supplementation that can help with this. Merrick Health, these patient care coordinators are going to also look at the way you're living your lifestyle because there's a lot of things

you might be doing that if you just adjust that, boom, you could be at the right levels, including working with your testosterone. And there's so many people that I know that are looking for, they're like, hey, should I do that? They're very curious. And they think that testosterone is gonna all of a sudden

kind of turn them into the Hulk, but that's not really what happens. It can be something that can be really great for your health because you can just basically live your life a little stronger, just like you were maybe in your 20s and 30s. And this is the last thing to keep in mind guys, when you get your blood work done at a hospital,

they're just looking at these minimum levels. At Merrick Health, they try to bring you up to ideal levels for everything you're working with. Whereas, if you go into a hospital and you have 300 nanograms per deciliter of test, you're good, bro, even though you're probably feeling like shit. At Merrick Health, they're going to try to figure out

what type of things you can do in terms of your lifestyle, and if you're a candidate, potentially TRT. So these are things to pay attention to to get you to your best self. And what I love about it is a little bit of the back and forth that you get with the patient care coordinator. They're dissecting your blood work. It's not like if you just get this email back

and it's just like, hey, try these five things. Somebody's actually on the phone with you going over every step and what you should do. Sometimes it's supplementation, sometimes it's TRT, and sometimes it's simply just some lifestyle habit changes. All right guys, if you want to get your blood work checked and also get professional help from people who are going to be able to get you

towards your best levels, head to MerrickHealth.com and use code PowerProject for 10% off any panel of your choice. Let's say somebody wants to stay a little bit more on the natty side and we'll kind of open this up and we'll say again, we're talking about like some fat loss and just say it's male, female, forget about the example I had of that person being 250 or whatever,

just male, female, heavier than they want to be. What are some things they can take? Cause it sounds like peptides, peptides don't have like a sex connected to them cause they're not messing with like sex hormones, right? No, you're right. So what would someone maybe stack to give them a little bit more benefit?

And maybe let's try, if we can, can we try to stay away from injections? Because I think the retichotide is, it's insulin injection, right? And it's a sub-Q, so it doesn't have to go into the muscle, right? We're not dealing with big needles and stuff. Is there something people can take

that's maybe a pillar capsule that can, A, accelerate weight loss and B, potentially help someone hold on to some more muscle mass, but yet we're not injecting like seven different things. Maybe we've got some convenience of some pills or something like that. I mean, the biggest things that have been coming out more recently would be a five amino 1MQ and SLU PP332, those are both pills. The five amino is a mitochondrial up regulator.

It speeds up your metabolism. SLU PP332 is an exercise mimetic in that it kind of tricks your body into thinking that it just worked out. And it puts off all the signals like that you just went and trained, you know, where it's just like you're more insulin sensitive, your metabolism is up, your food's going to be directed more

towards the muscle when you eat. Those two things have been a pretty big deal recently, especially in the bodybuilding community. I've heard of a lot of people utilizing those. A third thing that would be a pill for natty people would be methylene blue. You can get that in a pill or in a liquid form where you just like add it to your water.

Now if we start taking a combination of these things, you did tell me in the gym that red atrootide can raise someone's heart rate up a bit. Yeah. And, and also for taking these other things, it sounds like they're, they're ramping up mitochondria, which kind of sounds like to me that maybe potentially ramping up the metabolism a little bit, which then might jack the heart rate up a little bit more. Are people kind

of reporting that maybe they get a little anxiety or things like that when they're maybe taking large dosages of these things or taking too many things in combination? I haven't noticed it with the five-amino-1-MQ. I haven't noticed it with the SLU. I have noticed it with methylene blue. That one you need to be careful with. A solid start dose of that is five milligrams a day.

What else is out there? I mean, that's a pill. It can be injectable. I just like, I like to try to feed people stuff that's, you know, like it sounds like SLU-P332, sounds like that sloop, as some people call it. It sounds like that could be a convenient and maybe not a bad place for someone to start.

Even, again, we talked about retichutide, how powerful that can be, but maybe this is like a micro version of that. It's a solid alternative for sure. If you don't want to inject. It's something that I, it's one of the few things out there that I do, I do notice it when I take it.

And it's really hard to overdose it because that one is something that's expensive and that's not something that I have on my website because it is expensive regardless. So yeah, that, that is a very, a very good option. The thing that I notice, that I physically notice from it is that I will just run hotter on it. Like I'll just be, like if I'm sitting down on my computer, you know, doing the customer service stuff, I'll just be sweating. And it's almost like comparable to something like D&P

almost in that kind of sweat. Or just in a little more heat. Or yeah, or tread and like tread will just kind of like make you sweat all the time. Yeah, that's the one thing where it's I physically, when I add that in, I'm like, okay, that's new. That's definitely something going on. You have a lot of videos on like dosing and so does Vigorous Steve, you know, either check out Chase Iron's YouTube channel

or Vigorous Steve, these are really great resources. Derek more plates, more dates, I don't know if he does as many videos these days, but he's always pumping out really great content. Just try to get, you know, it's not easy to sift through, it's not easy to find, you know, reliable sources, but I'm telling you guys that these guys are reliable sources, they're great people to listen to.

Before we kind of move on, I want to ask you, do you have concern, like these things are working, working good for now, they feel good, they're sort of like fun, like a lot of stuff's fun, these experiments are fun. Do you have concern, do you, you know, you're probably what, 30, 40 years old, 35? 38. 38, okay.

I'll be 39 this year. Getting close to 40 years old, do you have concern, do you ever sit there and kind of think about like, I wonder how this is going to play out when I'm 65? Well yeah, I mean that's kind of why I'm backing off a little bit now and it's like, focusing more on, cause like I'm like 235 pounds now and I really like being lighter.

I really like being down in like the 230 range. I just feel better, I feel healthier. I don't have to take all the blood pressure medications. And yeah, so I am definitely backing off more I don't have to take all the blood pressure medications. So I am definitely backing off more. I don't think I'm going to do another 20,000 nanogram per deciliter experiment again. I've done crazy growth hormone experiments in the past, but you know, there might be some random things here and there

that I play with, but I'm definitely on my way out of that kind of phase and focusing a lot more on health these days. And yeah, but. And it's not like health hasn't been floating around the whole time, because you are getting blood work and you're trying to be considerate, but at the same time you're putting the pedal down to the.

I have, no, I've put it through the floorboard and a lot of people will be like, well, blood work's not enough. That's not gonna tell you enough. I've gotten full body MRIs, you know, and I was scared to death when I went to Pranuvo and got it done. I was scared to death what the results were gonna look like because I thought for sure my heart was gonna be huge

and my liver was gonna be black. And I was just like, had no clue what that stuff was gonna look like. I was hoping things would be good. And sure enough, the only things that they found, I had a couple little gallstones in my gallbladder. I had a little bit of fat on my liver, but nothing like they said it was normal.

They were like, it's not a big deal. And kidneys were fine. My heart was normal sized. I had no fat on my heart, and the main reason I went and got the scan was I was curious about visceral fat. I did have visceral fat, which everybody's going to have a little bit, but that's something that I'm interested in tracking and I plan on going back to Pernuvo here and maybe next month to see, after a year of being on Retta,

to see how much that has changed, the visceral fat thing. Plus they owe me a scan. They don't owe me anything. But I've done a lot of consulting for them with like, because they want to get into helping out bodybuilders with like specifically just like a scan for your heart or a scan for your kidneys. Cause right now, yeah, cause right now they just do,

they do a torso scan. They do, they have three different, three different scans. They do just like a torso. They do like, they do full body, but then there's like one more, like just a head scan or something like that. I don't know, but they've, they've been trying to get kind of more

into the fitness space. And it was funny, when I went in to like do my scan, there was one guy there that knew who I was, and he was like, do you think that we could, you know, talk about helping guys like you with like looking more into the heart or looking more into these things? So like I talked them through some stuff and anyways,

he was like, I'll comp your next full body scan. So I was like, okay, I need to go back and get that done. Did they do the coronary calcium scan there as well? No, they don't get into that, which that's another thing that I have had done twice. And the first scan that I got, I got a score of 123, which then I started digging into how to reverse that, which if you want to know how to reverse it, you take a shitload of vitamin K.

K2, right? Yeah. Vitamin K2 is huge. So there's a specific product. It's called Concentrated K. K2, right? Yeah, vitamin K2 is huge. So there's a specific product, it's called Concentrated K. It starts with a K, so it's KK, Concentrated K. It is, it's like the highest dose, like best vitamin K supplement that I've seen on the market. And it was made by a guy that,

he's got some videos out there talking about how he reversed his own coronary calcium score. And I spent, yeah, I used that for about a year, taking a pill in the morning, a pill at night. Because the thing about vitamin K is what it does is it takes calcium from soft tissue and it takes it where it belongs to your teeth and bones. So if you've got calcium built up in spots that it's not supposed to be, it's going to pull it away from those areas and clean it up. And sure enough, it did. So it's like, okay, cool. This is something that you definitely want to keep in the pantry.

So yeah, vitamin K2, that plus keeping your cholesterol nice and low so that nothing else is gonna put it down. And what about, have you experimented with, there's two different kinds, I'm forgetting some of the names, but like nanokinase? Nanokinase and serpeptase. Yeah, those are great too, those are for clotting. And that's definitely something worth keeping

in the pantry as well. I keep natokinase in there. I mean, I think it does enough of a good job. Yeah, that's one that Dante Trudeau has he brought up kind of to the space. Maybe for heart health and then also like blood clotting and stuff like that. Yeah, it keeps the blood from clotting too much.

Yeah, if you've got, there's a blood marker you can test to see if you are above average clotter or not. I believe John Meadows was. And that would be something you wanna look into, and if you have that, you would wanna take nanokinase for sure. And nanokinase is also good for blood pressure.

It's also worth noting too, all the stuff we're talking about on the show, I get my blood work done too. I communicate with doctors, I communicate with guys like Vigorous Steve. I communicate with guys like yourself, Stan Efferding, so on. There's no reassurance in this world.

We're trying to check out as much stuff as we can. You mentioned all the scans that you're getting. And I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but I'll just speak from my end. I don't think a lot of this stuff is safe. A lot of what we do is just not, like I can't honestly tell you like, hey, yo, this is safe. All I can tell you is that I like the results from it.

And I just, I love this whole game. I love strength, I love fitness, I love trying to manipulate my body, get in good shape. But I also know that there's some dangers associated with it. And I also am aware that I have blind spots. There's stuff that I don't know. There's things that I don't know about. I could be causing tons of damage to myself right now,

even with the sugar diet. You know what I mean? Like, you don't really know. These are like experimental things. And again, I do my best to try to research stuff and look stuff up and down, but it's hard to actually truly know. Yeah, no, it's, I'm definitely in the same camp.

Like it's none of it, none of it you can say is safe. None of it you can say is absolutely safe. There's always going to be some sort of risk and also we can do is the best that we can do with what we know. It's also not safe to, it's also not safe to be like way overweight. Right. Yeah. And so you got to kind of make your choice and I'm gonna go purchase this Reta True Tide stuff. Well that's another thing is like you know like

we were we were going into side effects of Rreta and like yes, there can be some side effects that you experience if you use a little too much or sometimes shit just pops out of the blue where it's like maybe you eat something that is going to digest a little bit too slow. Because like one of the things, one of the ways all of these GLP ones work is They reduce the amount of acid that your stomach puts out and it causes your stomach to digest food slower And if you eat like a meal that has way more fat in it than normal or something like that It's gonna sit in your stomach a little bit longer and you're gonna get all gassy and bloated and and have acid reflux acid reflux is probably one of the most common side effects of any of the GLP-1s, and none of them are, you know.

Free of that. Yeah, none of them are free of that. So another supplement that is commonly paired up with any of the GLP-1s is hydrochloric, hydrochloric acid. HCL? HCL, yeah, HCL. Betaine HCL, yeah. Betaine HCL is what you want to take.

Oh yeah, that is good for digestion stuff. Huge. But it's good for a lot of other things, right? I think good for muscle building or something? I'm not thinking of something else. I think they put betaine in a lot of supplements that just help them digest, help them absorb. But yeah, betaine HCL is typically like the, yeah,

the now brand, any of those are usually what I get. Or what is it, doctor's best or something. Anyway, betaine HCL, that is acid. Like that is an acid. So a lot of people get confused with stomach acid or with heartburn and they think they have too much acid. And it's like, how does that make sense if we're getting it from a GLP-1

where it lowers stomach acid and you're getting acid reflux. The acid just in the wrong spot, right? Well, so yeah, so the way your esophageal sphincter works, which is the valve that's at the top of your stomach and connects to your esophagus, the way that it really functions is based on the pH of your stomach.

So if your stomach is super acidic, it stays locked tight and closed. If your pH starts to rise and it's less acidic, it kind of relaxes and it'll cause the acid that you do have in there and the food that you do have in there to kind of come up and out and into your throat and burn your throat. So if you take that when you eat a meal,

when you take a betaine HCL, it's gonna increase your stomach acid, it's gonna break down your food better and it's gonna keep that valve nice and tight so that you're not getting the sulfur burps and acid reflux. So yeah, that's, if you don't believe me, like if you Google B10HCL and Ozempic or GLP-1 or whatever,

you'll find a lot of different people recommending, you know, these are commonly paired up together. So. What are some of the favorites in terms of peptides and certainly no need to mention any names or anything, but what are the more popular peptides that you sell on your site that bodybuilders seem to be attracted to that they like?

I mean, Red is at the top of the list by far. Red is at the top. I would say the next best. The next most popular thing is BPC 157 and TB 500. Those two things. Yeah, people are always talking about that. Yeah, those are- Wolverine stack.

Wolverine stack, yeah. No, those are definitely second top sellers for sure. And I think probably the biggest reason for that is BPC over TB 500 is the next best seller. Because BPC, it creates more HGH receptors on your muscles. It creates more HGH receptors on your muscles. So it's gonna make your HGH work better. So yeah, that's a huge reason to use it. It helps repair your muscles,

helps repair connective tissue, helps prevent fibrosis in the muscles. It's one also that you don't become desensitized from, so you can use it all the time. Yeah, that would be one that I would say can also help you build muscle because you recover faster and you can train again and train harder. So yeah, BPC 157 is extremely popular.

It's crazy when you hear all the different things that it can be good for. Yeah. You know, I've heard some people, you know, putting into like an eye dropper and literally dropping it in their eyes. You know, not recommended, but hey, hey, whatever works for somebody, you know.

It also comes in pill form. So you can take it as a pill and it helps with your stomach lining. So it can help repair your gut lining, it can help your digestion. I don't have it in pill form, but yeah, there are companies out there that got it. I take it in pill form and I do the injection of it.

Yeah, that's a great one to always have. You mentioned that 5mq 5 amino 1mq yeah 5 amino 1mq That one's supposed to help a little bit with holding on some muscle or or not really I mean that that's that one's more just like a mitochondrial Upregulator one that was more most of these I feel are like more leaning towards fat burning Yeah, I would say BPC and TB 500 would be the first ones that I've mentioned that are more based on recovery, for sure.

But I also think Reta can help too, because it increases your insulin sensitivity, and that's a big deal if you wanna shuttle glucose to the muscle. It prioritizes that. I also wanna tell people too that, you know, it sounds like most of the peptides, like BPC for example, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong,

but you can take a whole bottle of that and just shoot it and like. I have, yeah. Like, I've IV'd it. I don't want to tell you it's safe and I don't want to say that it's a. It's not gonna, I mean, it's not gonna. It has not hurt me in one bit.

And like I said, I've, I've, I've, I've eat a whole bottle of it. Not, not in any sort of a noticeable way. Nothing negative, nothing. And like TB 500 might be in a similar category. Obviously, like, look, if you, if you abuse these things and you do so like on a daily basis, like, you know, that's your own experiment.

That's up to you to like do that. That doesn't, doesn't sound like a daily basis, that's your own experiment. That's up to you to do that. That doesn't sound like a great idea, but I mention that because there are some, sometimes you do have to pay attention to the exact dosing and the exact dosage that you take. I think it's probably always a good idea to learn that. Don't shoot something before you watch the YouTube video. Oh, man.

Watch the YouTube video first and maybe watch a few of them, like learn about the products that you're getting. So that brings me back to like the GLP-1s with semi-glutide specifically because it is not dose the same as the other GLP-1s. And I've had someone confuse that where I have a video that's,

it's the last upload that I've done where the thumbnail literally it's read a true tide for dummies or no, I say for smart people, how to, how to do it, how, how, like how to reconstitute it. And, and like the steps, I had a lady who bought semiglutide. She watched that video and she thought that video was for all of them, for semiglutide, all of them. And when two milligrams is the start dose of RETA and 0.25 milligrams is the start dose of semiglutide. And the top end dose of semiglutide is 2.5 milligrams. And she went in on it at two milligrams,

week one, day one. And she was just like, she said she went to the hospital because she was just, she couldn't eat, she's throwing up, just terrible. I think Figures Steve had a post or a video where he made, it was just a thumbnail, so I don't know what was the truth on the actual video, but it said that somebody took like 20 milligrams.

Dude, and I've seen that as well, where people emailed me and they were like, they thought the vial was the dose. And I was just like, no, no. Why are we not researching a little bit more? Like these are called research peptides. You're supposed to research before you take them. I don't understand how this happens, but I have heard several cases where people thought that,

but I think what happens is because like the pharmaceutical brands of these, they come in a pen and you take the whole pen. It's a one injection, the whole pen gets injected into you. So I think that's what's confusing some of these people where they're just like, you buy the vial, you take the vial and that's it. And I'm like, that's an expensive week.

What are you doing? Because I had a guy, he said, before he was talking to me, before he had talking to me, before he had interacted with me at all, he bought a 20 milligram vial of terzepatide and he thought that was the dose. And he took, 20 milligrams is beyond the top end dose of it. I think the top end of terzepatide is 18.

And he took the whole vial and he's like, I couldn't eat for two weeks. I lost a ton of weight, but it felt terrible. It's just like, dude, this is not the way. Like that's not, there's so many, there's so much content about these things out there. You just gotta search a little bit for it. You don't even, you don't even have to look at my channel.

There's so many channels that cover this stuff. It's, yeah. And I felt so bad for that lady, cause it was just like, I don't follow it up. I don't know how. I'd follow it up too with just saying, maybe look into more than one resource. Yeah. Maybe just, if you hear it two, three times

and then you think it's a pretty reputable source. Also, there's forums and stuff, right? So you can ask people that are already taking it and you can get reassurance or yourself or someone like Jay Campbell, who's talking about this stuff all the time, do your best to try to like DM them or DM somebody that follows them that is taking,

like it's not that hard to snoop around the internet and to like find people that know about these things. Well, that's what blows my mind is like a lot of people find me, find my website from like Tik Tok or Instagram or YouTube or really there's this find me through a Google search and it especially is confusing from the people that find me on like Tik Tok and Instagram because it's like you found me on social media or YouTube. You found me on social media and you didn't look a little bit more on social media, just

a little bit to find more information about this topic. You just saw it, saw fat loss and you bought it and you're like, we're going, whatever. I don't know. It's very confusing to me how that kind of thing happens, but it happens and you got to be smarter than that. And that's why there are disclaimers all over these things that are just like, you're using it at your own risk, so be smart to do your research.

You're a researcher. The terms and conditions say you are a researcher and you signed into that. They never read it. They didn't, I guess. So Mark, you have been loving wearing these Paloobas for a long time. Why is it that you like these shoes that look like this?

I'm trying to get my feet to be jacked. I think it's funny how sometimes people will, when I wear these shoes, they're like, oh, those are different. And I'm like, well, maybe you should blame God because this is the human foot. This is the way that it looks. But Paloovas are awesome because it's gonna allow you

to train your feet and train your toes and allow for that toe spread because you got the five finger toe thing going on. It's like a, like put on a glove for your feet. Feels amazing. It's like walking around with toe spacers. You know, we've been working on our feet for a long time now. You always hear the benefit of people talking about

like these tribes who have gone without shoes forever. And they have this toe space and have these amazing feet. And these shoes will allow you to just passively get that back by walking around. You don't realize what a disadvantage you're at when your foot is all clumped together from the football cleats or soccer cleats or whatever else you were wearing when you were young.

And so it's nice to be able to splay your toes. In addition to that though, one thing I love about Paloova is the fact that it's not a regular barefoot shoe. I do love barefoot shoes as well, but it also has appropriate padding. And when you're stepping on some crazy Pebbles and rocks and different things like when I'm out on a run

Some terrain is a little different than others I don't have to be worried that I'm gonna get some sort of stabbing crazy thing happening to my foot because it has an appropriate amount of Cushion underneath the foot and guys Paloova has a lot of different styles on their website I think one of the newest styles they just came out with, which is a little bit more of a rigorous do is the Strand ATR. It's not these, these are the Strands, but the ATRs have a little bit more. If you want to go hiking with them, you totally can. Those are amazing. If you go out, you know, throw those on and go sprint on a field and your feet feel so strong, grabbing the grass and being

able to actually grab the ground with your foot feels amazing. I'm more of a chill guy with my Paloova so I like the Zen slip-ons, but that's the thing. With Paloova there's a lot of different options. So if you head to paloova.com and use code powerproject you'll be able to save 15% off your entire purchase. And they also have toe socks. Their five feet of your toe socks are no show.

So check those out too. Ryan, can you bring up insulin syringe? Just like a picture of an insulin syringe. Sometimes the stuff can get a little confusing when you, you know, it's interesting because everything's so tiny. Yeah. Like you get a peptide and like little tiny peptide bottle and then insulin syringe has these little tiny

like increments on it. So yeah, if you just try to zoom in on one a little bit. So years ago, years ago I took some insulin and talk about something you gotta be careful with, right? And luckily for me it wasn't a big deal, I just ate some carbohydrates and it really, nothing shitty happened but.

Oh man. You know, I think, so sometimes somebody will say, you know, go to the 10 spot and that equals one, right? And other times, every little tiny tick, because if you look really close, you can see that there's like little tiny ticks before it gets to the 10 spot. And with insulin, if I remember correctly,

like the dose was just to take like one or two little things, right? And I went up to the 20. So I took. I took two. Right, that's what I thought I did. Yeah, that's a little much. And I think I was trying it like in the evening

with some dinner that had some carbs in it. But then I was like, holy shit, man. Like a little while later, half hour later, I'm like, I think I need more carbs. And I ate more carbs and luckily I was fine. Then like the next day I was like, I'm not gonna do that again, that felt weird. I got a story.

And so anyway, I found out the proper dosage and redid it and was fine. I don't, I still don't know what happened. I still don't know what happened in this story. I can assume what happened, but I was using both Lantus and Humalog in my days. Both forms of insulin. Right, so Lantus is a very, very slow acting,

if you take, if you absorb it across 18 to 24 hours. So if you take 20 IUs, it's gonna be spread out, you're gonna get one IU an hour basically. And it's just kind of like something that you take to have in the background, just constantly keep your blood sugar down. Now this was something that happened probably, it was like six years ago.

So I was using Lantus and I was also using Humalog. And Humalog is very fast acting, you take it, it reacts within like 15 minutes and it's in your system. in like 15 minutes and it's in your system. It was in the morning and me and my wife were gonna go to the gym, the gym that I worked at to train. And I hadn't taken my Lantus shot yet and I was taking pre-workout insulin at the time, and they were both in pen form.

And the only thing that I can assume that happened is I got them backwards. And so like my Lantus dose was 40 IUs for the day, and my Humalog dose was like 10 for the workout. So I'm pretty sure what happened is I took 40 IUs of Humalog and 10 IUs of Lantus. Now, when you take 40 IUs of Humalog, you probably are gonna need something like 400 to 600 grams Now, when you take 40 IUs of Humalog, you need,

you probably are gonna need something like 400 to 600 grams of carbs to cover that, which is a lot of carbs. A lot of carbs, or else you'll go hypoglycemic, and if you go too hypo, you potentially black out. Cause brain damage, they can even kill you. You're turning into me. Brain damage. So, I shoot both of them and we go down, we get in the car, my wife was driving,

we get to the gym, she lets me out and she goes up and parks the car in the gym garage. And the last thing that I remember is getting out of the car and that was it. And I went into the gym and I went past the front desk and straight back to the break room. And I don't know how long I was back there, but the next thing I know,

in the break room, we had lockers on each side of the room. And I'm leaning up against a locker, I have my car keys, and I got somebody's lock. And I'm trying to stuff it in there. I don't know what I, I'm like, why is this not working? What's going on? And I'm drenched in sweat and I'm just so confused and I'm just like looking around and I'm trying to open. It's not even my locker. It's not even my lock and it's not even the right key and it's nothing. I'm just like, what is, what's going on?

And I'm just like, and then I give up and I sit down at the table and I'm just drenched in sweat and I'm super hungry and I'm looking at the table and I see packets of ketchup and hot sauce. And so I just grabbed the ketchup and hot sauce. I rip them open. I'm eating those and I'm alone and I'm just sitting back there and I'm just like, I feel just terrible.

And then finally somebody comes in, the janitor custodian lady that I've known for six years and she sees me and she's like, are you okay? And I like look at her and I'm like, fucking ketchup and hot sauce. And I'm like, no. And she, she's like, let me go get somebody. And she goes out, grabs one of the other trainers

and comes in and she sees me sitting there drenched and she knows exactly what's going on because she knows bodybuilders. And she's like, get him some Gatorade and they run out, grab some from the front and I start, I chug one of them and immediately I'm able to like come back to normal.

It was so weird because I like, because I couldn't even talk straight because like when I said no, it was just kind of like, and she tried and when you know, what's her name tried to talk to me, I just couldn't even talk straight. Because when I said no, it was just kind of like, and she tried, and when, you know, What's Her Name tried to talk to me, I just couldn't even speak. And then as soon as I drank the whole thing, I was like, I could finally snap out of it.

And I was like, oh my God, that was the weirdest fucking thing. And I was just, again, I was just dripping. My shirt looked like I jumped in a pool. And yeah, and they like went and got my wife and she came back and she was like, what happened, what's going on? And I mean, she knew it wasn't like a mystery to her,

like what I was doing, but yeah. So it was just like, that was the wildest experience I ever had with insulin. We just went straight back home. I felt terrible the rest of the day. And I basically just ate carbs. I was on the sugar diet for the rest of the day because I just, I just felt miserable and I was like, I don't care. I'm just going to eat fucking bread and sugar. Like I eat whatever you can. I just didn't care at that point

because I just felt awful. But yeah, that was the only time I've ever gone like so hypoglycemic, I blacked out and was just delirious where had no clue what was going on. It was wildest experience. Yeah, I couldn't imagine if I would have been driving and that would have happened in the middle of that. Yeah, that was the thing that I was thinking of. I was like, man, if we were in the car

and I blacked out like that, that's how serious that stuff can be. So. Yeah, insulin's double-edged sword. It seemed like it can be really impactful. Oh yeah. Things that can help with insulin sensitivity as we're seeing with like the sugar diet

can be really helpful, but like injecting insulin is a very dangerous practice. I remember when I got insulin, it was the funniest thing because I just thought it was just super strange, but I went to Walmart. Yeah. And I got some insulin, you just go to the pharmacy. Yeah.

You're like, oh yeah, it'd be like 10 minutes and they just get it for you and you don't need a prescription or anything because there are people that are diabetic and they need it and so it's super interesting in that way. You mentioned earlier doing some growth hormone experiments and also like, do you mess around insulin at all anymore? Or is that?

Not anymore, no. I mean, I've played around with it here and there, like plugging it in, it just, it adds weight so fast. Like that's something that just like scares me. Cause I feel, if I, I feel like if I, you know, just like let go of the reins, I could easily eat myself and drug myself to 300 pounds. Like no problem.

So that's something that I've always kind of like just tried to hold in and be like, if I see my weight like go up quickly, I'm like, that's a scary thing. I need to get Milo Sarkev on the show. I know he's a big fan of insulin, but you know, these things are all like when used correctly, you know, they can be amazing.

They're very effective, yeah. What's been some of the HGH experiments? So I, You know, they can be amazing. Very effective, yeah. What's been some of the HGH experiments? So, I ran 18 IUs of serostim for about four, it was like five months. Isn't that crazy expensive too? 18, yeah, it was an expensive experiment. That's the best growth hormone there is, right? It is the best of the best, yeah.

It, yeah, no, I was using 18 IUs a day, so it was a box a week, in which a box runs at about $600, something like that. So yeah, it was like $2400 a month. You're like a crackhead over here. It was wild, dude. Well, I mean, I was curious. I was curious about,

cause I had heard, you just, you hear things where it's like one of the sayings that came from John Meadows was the difference between an amateur and a pro was 18 IUs of serostimidae. And I was like, let's see what this is about. And I had heard from so many other people, it's like, yeah, a vial a day, that's the way you go.

Most amount of growth hormone I ever took was two. I took two I use a day for like, I don't know, for a few months. I never really liked it. Obviously at that dose, I probably just didn't notice much difference. I mean, yeah, it's... It's a slow play.

Growth hormone is a slow play if you're not taking 18. When you use a lot, it's wild. So like I started it, like that experiment was 20, I think that was 20, when was that? It was like right after a wife got pregnant. I was like, all right, let's go. I had been collecting boxes and I was ready to go. So I went from like 200, what was it? It was like 245 up to 275 pounds in like,

it was like a three to four month time period. And it was just like, I remember, so when you get the box of serastim, when you open it up, there's a pamphlet in there that has a bunch of research in it that tells the results that they got from this research. And all the research is on people with HIV and AIDS, and their dose also says it's 18 IUs a day. It also says in there the results that those people got, and it said typically those results would cap out after about four months, and then they would kind of like flatline.

It also said in there, if you are experiencing a bunch of negative side effects that you do not like, then just do it every other day instead. And the results, they had the results for that and it was relatively similar, but not as good. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna to do this experiment and start with every other day first because again, I was scared to death of blood pressure because you put on a shitload

of water weight, you're going to have your blood pressure go up and then things start unraveling and the experiment's over and you've got a bunch of boxes of serostim you're sitting on. So I started with every other day and I was also scared of my blood sugar and going diabetic. So I was getting, I was testing my blood sugar every morning, I was testing it after meals and yeah, so I started 18IUs every other day and watched everything. Nothing was changing. Blood sugar was staying the same.

And again, I was dieting. I was in a deficit and my weight was going up on that. And I was like, okay, this is interesting. So I did every other day for a week. And then like everything just like gets really round and full. And so it was like, okay, every other day seems to be fine. My blood pressure is still good. Blood sugar is fine.

So I was like, okay, let's go to daily. And then the second week I went to daily and then my weight really just started climbing by like two pounds a day. And I was still like very low carb. It was just like everything was just getting sucked into the muscle and just the weight was just, just started climbing up and, but it didn't look bad. I just kept watching. I'd get up every morning. I'd look in the mirror and I was just like, I would start, I would just look leaner than I did before and rounder and I was just like, this is fine. Okay, let's keep doing it. And after a month, I was,

because at this time I was also just keeping my testosterone dose, it was like 300 tests and like 150 primo. So I was keeping that low because I just wanted to see what the HGH did. After a month, when I realized everything was fine and in talking to Steve a little bit, I was like, let's take advantage of this situation of having all this growth hormone and bring the testosterone up to match. So I brought the testosterone. I started bringing the test

dose up, titrating it up over the next couple months until I was doing 18 IUs of serostimidae. And I think I stopped at like, there was a range between like 2,500 tests and 3,500 tests that I was floating around with like a thousand Primo and or a thousand Mastron to keep estrogen under control. And that's what kind of took me from like 260 to 275. And it was very heavy and very full and felt awesome. Way too much and hard to sustain all those shots and everything.

Well yeah, I mean there was all that going on. But it was, I mean, I wanted to see if, a high dose of growth hormone would just start adding weight. Cause everybody, I just kept hearing that, but then I also kept hearing like growth hormones, a long play where it's like, you won't notice the results until, you know, months down the line.

It's like, well, when you do it like this, you notice it month after month after month. And it just, as long as you keep doing it, it seems like it just kept piling on. And yeah, that was, big experiment that I did. That was quite expensive. But it also, you know, it just kind of like, I think it opened up people's eyes a little bit too,

that, because a lot of people hear that and they're just like, no, that'll kill you. Or something like that, you know? No, you can't do that, nobody does that. It can potentially make someone kind of diabetic, pre-diabetic. It can, but yeah, like I said, when I was, you know, checking the blood sugar and stuff,

the thing about testosterone also though, is that testosterone makes you more insulin sensitive too. And at that time I wasn't using a GLP-1, you know, I wasn't in that game yet. So yeah, it was just like the testosterone and training and staying in as much of a deficit as I could because my appetite was ramping up. Yeah, it really worked out in a positive

bodybuilding kind of way, and my health stayed with me throughout it. I first started hearing about Troscriptions from Thomas DeLauer. Yep. And Thomas is somebody that's an animal with working out. You got a chance to work out with him. I worked out with him. And he's kind of always on the front lines of

finding out about these new companies that have cool things. But I didn't really realize that Trescriptions was the first company to put out Methylene Blue. Now look at Methylene Blue, it's so popular, it's everywhere. It's one of those things. If you guys have listened to this podcast, you know I'm very iffy with the supplements that I take. Because there's a lot of shady stuff out there.

You gotta be careful. The great thing about transcriptions is that when people wanna get methylene blue, usually they'll go on Amazon, they're going on these other sites, it's not third party testing, it's not dosed. A lot of people end up with toxicity from the blue that they get because there's no testing of it.

Transcriptions, they have third party testing for their products. It's dosed so you know easily what exact dose of methylene blue you're getting in each troche. So you're not making some type of mistake. There's not gonna be anything in it. It's safe. You can have it dissolve

and you can turn your whole world blue if you want, or you can just swallow it. They have two different types of methylene blue. They have one that is, I believe, dosed at 16 milligrams, and they have another one that's dosed at 50 milligrams. So make sure you check the milligrams. I don't recommend anybody start at 50 milligrams, but the 16 I feel is very safe.

You can also score the trokies and you can break them up into smaller bits. And in addition to that, on top of the Methylene Blue, they have a lot of other great products as well. They got stuff for sleep, they got stuff for calming down, all kinds of things. I gotta say, I use it about two or three times a week. I use it before Jiu Jitsu,

and the cool thing that I've noticed, and I've paid attention to this over the past few months, is that after sessions, I don't feel as tired. So it's almost like I've become more efficient with just the way I use my body in these hard sessions of grappling. And it's like, cool, that means that, I mean, I could go for longer if I wanted to,

and my recovery's better affected. It's pretty great. I know Dr. Scott Schur, we had him on the podcast, and he talked quite a bit about how he recommends methylene blue to a lot of the athletes that he works with. And they're seeing some profound impacts. And one of the things I've heard about it is that it can enhance red light.

So those of you doing red light therapy are those of you that have some opportunities to get out into some good sunlight, it might be a good idea to try some methylene blue before you go out on your walk or run outside or whatever activity is that you're gonna do outside. And this stuff is great, but please, like first off, they have stuff for staying calm,

they have stuff for sleep, but remember, this stuff isn't a substitution for sleep. This isn't a substitution for taking care of your nutrition. This is supposed to be an add-on to all the things that we already should be doing, and it's gonna make things so much better if you're doing everything else too. And I think this is just a little different too

than just adding some magnesium to your diet. I think this is a little different than, you know, treat these things appropriately, make sure you do some of your own research but. Oh, if you're taking medications, it takes SRIs, you better talk to your doctor first. Don't be popping these things. And if you're taking any medications at all,

it'd be good to double, triple, quadruple check and make sure that you're safe. Transcriptions has a lot of great things that you need, so go and check out their website when you have the opportunity. Strength is never weakness, weakness never strength. Catch you guys later. And then, what did I do?

After that, let's see, I'm pretty sure I diet, that was 2023, yeah, like I dieted down, and then the next growth hormone experiment was that there is a new growth hormone that came out that's long acting. So it's like Lantus, but it's growth hormone. And it's called Ingenla. And they took growth hormone

and they kind of like binded it with HCG so that it has a long half-life. So it should have a half-life of like a week. So you take one shot a week of it. Take one big shot and it spreads it out throughout the whole week. And so I was curious, like, can this work for bodybuilding? And a lot of people were telling me that it's a bad idea because your growth hormone levels are going to be high all the time and that absolutely can

be something to be scared of with diabetes and blood sugar and all that. So I was like, so I played it safe again just to see how true that would hold for fit people. Because sure, that would probably happen to somebody that was lazy and eating like crap. So, I think I started that when I was like, I was like 235 pounds and gained like 20 pounds on it. But so the, man, the whole Ingenla thing is, So the, man, the whole Ingenla thing is, so like a pen has like 96 IUs in it or something like that, but the problem with it that everybody confuses is that it's like three IUs of Ingenla

is equivalent to one IU of Serostim. So the price ends up being like the same as using a bunch of serostim, if you want like a similar result. Cause that's what everybody was like, was like, oh my God, we can take tons of growth hormone is gonna be cheap. Because they didn't consider that equation. But that's pretty much what I found was

I ended up taking like five pens in a week to be equal to a box of serostim a week. So it ended up costing the same, but the weird thing about it was, so when you take a whole vial of serostim and you get your blood work done, your HGH levels will be like a, what is it? Like a 40 to a 50. When you take the equivalent of Ingenla, your HGH levels are 150, because it's just like, it's always floating through your system.

But the results weren't any better. So it was like, you got the same result, but your HGH levels are super freaking high, like three times higher. Like, why does this, how does this happen? And you don't get better results. And it's like, because it's bound to the HCG, it can't do what it needs to do. So, and it didn't mess with my blood sugar. Ultimately, it ended up not being that big of a deal. But what I concluded was it's not cheaper than running serostim. And it also doesn't last a week in your body. It lasts like three days really. But I think that has also a lot to do with how your metabolism

is and how much muscle you have. I think in general, bodybuilders tend to absorb stuff faster than what the pharmaceutical pamphlets anticipate. Because in general, they made it so that it was for kids that were short. Instead of taking their genitropin daily, they could take this once and it's easier for kids. So those are the only two growth hormone experiments that I've done, but yeah. So you came from Las Vegas

and you were at Alex Hermosy conference? Oh yeah, yeah, I just did that. I was, yeah, that was awesome. Highly recommend, highly recommend checking that out. If you have a business, if you want to learn how to build a business, very, very informative. You get time to speak to Alex, ask him questions about your business, and he'll tell you what to fix on it if you need fixing or whatever. But yeah, it was two days long.

Both days were about eight hours long. He basically has his whole inner circle of his acquisition.com employees, like his head of sales, his head of marketing, is head of talent and strategy. You get time with all of them to ask them any questions that you want and they spit out what they would do in your situation. So I went there because I wanted to learn how to build up my peptide business because I have never built a business before and I don't know all the ins and outs and all of that. And yeah, when I spoke to Alex, the first thing that he said was,

Holy shit, you're huge dude. And I was like, shut up. And then- That's a good compliment. He's in great shape himself. Yeah, no, he was in a tank top and shorts and whatever. It's kind of funny, but yeah, no, it was great. Like telling him, you know, about me, what I'm doing.

It's like most of my following now knows that like, you know, I'm very busy with that and I haven't been able to get back to making YouTube videos yet because, you know, I'm so busy on that side of things. I've been trying to figure it out and figure out who I need to hire and what moves I need to make so that I can free up my time and get back to YouTube, which we finally have

that sorted. And next week, I've got the plan set in motion to get back to making content, which is going to be nice. But yeah, no, it was awesome to hear all the insight of how an enterprise level business gets evaluated and bought and sold and how they decide what it's worth. And if you take a business and try to make it as sellable as possible, you basically make an amazing business that just starts growing like crazy. So you check all those boxes and he shows you what boxes to check. And it's just, it was, it was really

eye opening. And there were people there that had had businesses for 40 years that didn't know these, these what seemed to be like basic things that everybody should know. Like people that went to business school that were there that were just like, oh my God, why didn't they show us this kind of shit? So yeah, it was awesome. Yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, anyone starting a business, when you first start it, you kind of just start.

That's a great thing to do is just, is to literally just start. Just dive in. Dive in and so you want to do some due diligence and make sure that whatever you're doing is going to have. Legal. It's legal and it's going to work. I mean, with what you did.

Pay your taxes. You built up a following on YouTube and you saw an opportunity. So it wasn't like a complete random jump off point. Like you already had built up followers, you have members on your YouTube channel as well, which I think is really cool. I think you said you have like a thousand members

or something like that. That's amazing. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, no, that's been like a huge, great community for my channel. And yeah, those guys, they hold it together. a great community for my channel. Yeah, those guys, they hold it together. But yeah, no, they were, my guys were,

I was, I got sponsored by a peptide company and I was promoting their stuff and people were complaining about prices and just like, oh, they don't do very many sales. And like, what are we, what can we do? And so like through learning the business, I was like, I think there's an opportunity here. And so I jumped on it and it's taken off. It's been very, very awesome. It's been really cool. Really cool to see, but yeah, I mean, it's a lot of work,

but you just like, if you want to start a business, I mean, you just gotta do it. I get a lot of people that ask me, kind of like the same thing about YouTube. They're like, how do I start a YouTube channel? It's like, you just gotta dive in and just start filming yourself and just do it. And it's gonna be, you're gonna be bad.

Like I started this business, I terrible. Like I have no idea what I'm doing. And like, it's so funny when you start to like learn how real business runs. Like it wasn't until like just a month ago that I finally started payroll for my one employee that I have where it's like, I got on gusto and I started like actually running

that whole automated thing. And I was just like, oh my God, I've just been paying him with cash efforts all the time. So it's just like things like that where it's just like, yeah, you just dive in and you figure it out as you go and it'll be all right. But people will ask you, like what's the point of the business?

And you're like, I don't know, I make money. But it's nice when somebody walks you through, like is this something that you want to sell? And you're like, well, I barely even started it yet. Why are we talking about selling it? But again, it's a mind experiment. It's an experiment to see what direction do you want your business to go in.

If you make your business sellable, which should probably be the goal for everybody, it's gonna be a cleaner, smoother business. It's not like you can't have a lot of employees, but somebody doesn't want to acquire a business that's like messy, that's sloppy. You don't know the real numbers of your books and you're not diligent, you don't have a paper trail.

These are all the things you want to kind of make sure that you have. Well, there's that, another huge thing. Like if, especially for content creators, is you don't want to be, if you want to sell your business, you do not want to be the main face of your business. You don't want to be, if you want to sell your business, you do not want to be the main face of your business. You don't want to be, it's called key man risk. If you were removed from your business, would it survive?

And if you're a content creator and everything's about you and around you, and you remove you, like yeah, it's dead, it's done. Like if I didn't do anything for my business, it would end the moment that I stopped answering questions, stopped printing shipping labels, it would be done. So yeah, no, there's just so many things that you don't think about where it's like,

that makes sense. I've had friends ask me, they're like, what happens if you die? I was like, what? What are you talking about? Like what happens to your business if you die? And I was like, ah. You know, so years ago when I heard that,

I was like, well, I better get my shit together so that if I'm not around, and now I don't have to worry about the business, I don't really have to do much of anything. Right, I mean, that's the goal is like set it up so it runs itself and you can go on vacation and put your phone away and not have to worry about any of that.

So yeah, that whole workshop though, and put your phone away and not have to worry about any of that. That whole workshop though, it was incredible to hear his insight and his experiences. He's so knowledgeable on all of that. It's wild. What's your website and where can people find you? My website is omega mino dot net and yeah, you can find me at all the social medias. It's just chase irons at chase irons. Yeah, that's the website.

That's the YouTube and remember use his code. You said the code was chase. Yeah, chase. Just chase. My code is chase at every every website. I'm affiliated with very simple ten percent off Get after it strength is never weakness weakness never strength catch you guys later. Bye