Mark Bell's Power Project - Why the COLD will Become Your New Superpower - Founders of The Cold Plunge || MBPP Ep. 855

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

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Our Project Family has a go. And now, as you guys know, we have been talking about cold therapy for a while. Mark, Andrew, and myself, we all use Cold Plunge XLs since we're pretty big. But the Cold Plunge is amazing. And there are a lot of cold therapy tools out there. Obviously, you can use your shower. But the amazing thing about the Cold Plunge is, number one, it doesn't take up much space in your home or your backyard. And number two, you don't need to change your water, unlike other cold therapy devices, for six months to a year. It filters itself. Let's not even talk about all the benefits of cold plunging, like the dopamine release, how good you feel after doing it. And there's just the cascade of hormones that happens after you get in some really cold water.

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links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Do you have a small head? Very small head. Now I can't unsee it. Yeah, imagine if he just built out his shoulders to be like super crazy then that would be a main focus right oh man i'm sorry dog you did that to yourself it's what it is but no that's actually a good thing it's better to have a smaller head than

a bigger head really i think so headphones don't work for me well you always got made fun of for having a massive melon right yeah people call me peanut head as a kid i'm still scarred that's why i wear a hat oh i'm sorry well won't it grow though like do to work out a bunch don't they get bigger heads yeah they're like barry bond's helmet used to be this size and it was this size wait seriously oh yeah absolutely yeah it's like people like hat size grew so big but then people are like he got older and it's like i don't think that's normal getting older or just from gaining weight who was that football player on the i know this one the baltimore ravens he was a great defensive player ray lewis right was it ray lewis they said like his his fingers or whatever shit like grew because of potential gh yeah he was taking the deer antler yeah deer antler what spray it was like hgh from deer antlers right that's what

they were concerned about was the deer antler spray yeah yeah everything else ray lewis used to just fuck people up he was an animal didn't matter doesn't matter what he did or didn't do i don't know i don't think any deer antlers were making some massive difference for that guy. I know. I got on that shit as soon as I heard he was taking it. It didn't help, right? Really? Yeah. I didn't notice any difference. I was probably

19 years old. How did you get your hands on deer antler spray at 19 years old? I think the internet. Really? You could buy anything on the internet. It was basically like trying to get a pro hormone yeah there you go yeah it was pretty easy wow especially when you heard ray lewis was on it yeah there was all there was like a huge pro hormone surge like even before way before that like probably a decade before that where you had uh andrastine dione and all that stuff that uh mark mcguire and stuff they've talked about

all that stuff and there was kids taking that shit left and right i think there was like real shit in some of that stuff wow and then it was like i don't know the fda like banned some of it here and there and then they've come out with new ones and then there was like something called trend and it actually had trend in it i think and kids were getting like all kinds of acne and kids were getting all kinds of swollen and big and it was i don't know some weird times going on i used to work with the trainer at 24 hour fitness and he said like when he was like 16 he went to max muscle and they're like you want to get big he's like yeah he's like come back come to the back kind of take this it was like a 50 thing and he was like a $50 thing. And he was like, within two months, he gained like 30 pounds.

It's like, what the hell is this stuff? Good old days, man. You can't do that anymore. Bullshit. If things were cycling out like every three months, because then it was illegal. They're like, well, the new one's in. Like, grab this one.

Right? God damn. So it was a little cold in the gym this morning, right, Andrew? It was freezing. Yeah. It was very cold. What was the cold pl, right, Andrew? It was freezing, yeah. It was very cold. What was the cold plunge set at today? It was like 42.

Oh, man. 42. Yeah, 42. And then what kind of guy are you, Andrew? So when the temperature outside was its warmest during the summer, I had mine set at 55 degrees. Now that it's gotten a lot colder, I don't get in it as much, but I have it set at 60, and that is very difficult for me to get in and out of.

How do you both feel about this? I encourage it. Well, the thing that I'll say. Quit bullying me. Okay. But the gap is you said you're not really getting into it. Yeah, right now it's not. I'm making a lot of excuses for it.

It's like, oh, it's cold outside. I would get into it because I would feel at least 50% better after going to jujitsu. My body would get wrecked. I'd get in the cold plunge and I'd get out of it. And I'm like, dude, I feel like it's been three days of recovery, but it's only been less than an hour since I was at jujitsu. Now my body's getting more acclimated to it. So I'm not feeling as bad. So now I'm like, well, maybe I don't have to get in there as bad as I did a couple of weeks back. So again, I'm making all of the excuses in the world to not get into it because I do not like

being cold. Okay. But when I get in the cold plunge, I always feel better. It's just one of those things that I've gotten out of the routine because it's gotten cold. Outside it's gotten cold, and so getting colder doesn't seem as attractive right now. But you went for 42 degrees today. And that was really, really cold. But I am happy that NSEMA encouraged me to do it, and then I'm really happy that Mark coached me through it because I have never experienced anything that cold, like not even close.

Popped your cherry. And NSEMA turned it back on so it had the filtration. Yeah, yeah. No, that was a really cool experience. The hands went first. Like I've never really felt the hands like completely go the way they did today where like, I'm like, oh shit, like i need to make sure they're okay so i put my hands up just so i could feel the tub and once i felt the tub i was like okay my hands aren't like gone yeah i i

didn't lose them they're not getting frostbitten or anything so it's okay now i can drop them back in you know and then it was okay and then you know like i was telling ben on camera like the the mental side of things is just it's not it not ignored, but I think it is still overlooked when it comes to the cold plunge. Cause you hear all these savages talking about like cold plunge in the morning and blah, blah, recovery, this and that. But for me, it's the mental side of things. Um, I was joking around, but I'm like, Hey, when you, uh, like when you give your dog a bath, how like they freaking hate it. But afterwards they're running all over the house and they're going crazy. I'm like, that's me.

My mood changes like that, and I am the happiest dude you'll ever meet after I get out of the cold plunge because I feel so much better. Totally. Yeah. Love that. Yeah, thank you. It was cool. As much as I hated the seconds right before I got into the cold plunge,

I'm really grateful that you guys all pushed me to get into it. Andrew, how do you feel it's different than maybe forcing yourself, quote unquote, forcing yourself to go to the gym or go to jujitsu? Both of those things are things that you know you're going to feel better after doing them. But they're just way different. In my opinion, they take a lot more. Like, in my opinion, they take a lot more. It takes a lot more to go lift or go run or go do jujitsu in the morning than it does just to, you know, we're fortunate to have these items at our house. And, you know, what do you think the difference is for you?

So even if we ignore, like, the habitual side of things, because, like, coming to the gym, like, we're literally at a gym every single day. So we walk out and we do stuff in the gym it's just that's just part of life jujitsu starting to become that thing where like okay it's okay it's monday i'm gonna wake up early i'm gonna go you know go do jujitsu so let's ignore all that for just right now in my opinion the uh i'll say like the resistance curve is extremely sharp with the cold plunge right so like if we're thinking about the gym it's like fuck i gotta get up i gotta go right so like if we're thinking about the gym it's like fuck i gotta get up i gotta go and then okay now we're here and i can kind of like mellow out and get my workout in same with jiu-jitsu like after you get your first roll in you're like kind of got a good sweat going you feel comfortable there's there's no there's no like

easing in time period to jumping in the cold plunge it is like 100 already difficult the second you jump in that thing. But you're also probably not going to jump out of it. Have you ever, have you ever put your leg in and then gotten back out? No, I've, I've actually done the opposite where like my, um, like my feet are kind of banged up and I'm like, you know, I'm just going to put my feet in because like, I just want to do this right now. And then you get in there and I'm like, I'm already in here. Let me just sit down and I'm good. Yeah. The whole thing sucks no matter how you do it.

Yes. Yes. And that's actually what I told Nsema months ago where I was like, I know 55 degrees is going to be difficult. Just like I know 50 degrees is going to be difficult. Just like I know 45 and so on and so forth. So I might as well just drop the temperature, but I could never get myself to do it because it's up to me. I almost wanted to text my wife and be like, hey, set this temperature between 40 and 50. Don't tell me where it's at. I'm just going to do it. And just like never look at it again.

You should just put like tape over it and have Stephanie set it. I know. So you don't ever look. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, we'll see. But no, it was it was it was fantastic. I don't

know how long I was in there this morning. Uh, when I have it set to like 55 to 60, I'll hang out there for like 10 minutes, 15 minutes, just kind of enjoying it today was, I don't know, maybe two minutes, two and a half minutes. You were there for like two and a half, three minutes. Yeah. It was like, Oh, like it, it was like the feeling when I got into it the first time again, it was all over. What do you guys think of cold plunging versus exercise? Obviously, they're different things, but we were talking a little bit in the gym about maybe for some people it might be a little easier just to get in a cold plunge. I think so. Yeah.

It depends on the person. You guys live in the gym, so maybe the gym is easier. But for most people, yeah, you said it's passive, right you just like sit down in there and it's so quick 90 seconds is a good enough plunge whereas a workout you gotta take time then you're sweaty and then you shower so it's a more time commitment it's like the roi can be like super quick yeah my biggest resistance is working out is like actually thinking about the working out like i have to prep it out like that's a lot for me but getting in the cold it's like do three minutes and you're gonna feel that like my mind can grasp like it's only three minutes away and you say roi like for

me it's a lot easier we're also talking about how you feel after a workout and what he's saying is like how you feel after a plunge to me is always amazing. Like you're smiling. You get it. Like you feel incredible. Sometimes after a workout, you feel worse, you know. But for a plunge, it's like every time I'm smiling. Yeah, after a workout, I mean, you could have kind of overdone it. You could have slightly tweaked something.

And by no means are we comparing exercise and cold plunging. Like we still think you need to exercise. But we're just talking about like kind of changing your mood. And I think that it's a really simple thing, just like getting in your car and putting on music that you like or music that you enjoy or listening to your favorite podcaster. That's something that might make your drive a little bit more enjoyable. And to me, getting the cold plunge in the morning, even though it's not always the easiest thing, it's so simple that I'm like,

let me just, let me just go in. And then sometimes there's that negative thing that says, you know, you got other shit to do. You got places to be, you gotta, you know,

and I find myself, um, doing dad stuff, like turning lights off and like putting stuff away. And like, I don't ever do any, I don't ever do any of that. Like, so, and then I'm like, I got to just go on the goddamn, this is ridiculous. Like, what am I doing? I'm doing all this shit that I normally would never do.

Right. But then you do the thing that you're kind of afraid of. Right. And the more you do that, you get the momentum and you start looking at everything oh what else am i like afraid to do what am i also might have avoiding go do that like if you have that rhythm yeah like you're a force right it's helped a lot of reinterpretation of a lot of things just uh it raining out like i'm just i'm like driving to go do my run like i'm not even it's like okay it's raining oh shit okay now it's actually pouring

all right well i still am going to do i'm still going to do my run totally so it's really helped a lot of stuff and then even just in terms of temperature regulation i saw paul check the other day uh talking on instagram saying like how he thinks it's kind of ridiculous that people are so unhealthy they can't regulate their own body temperature and i don't think that people are so unhealthy they can't regulate their own body temperature. And I don't think that people even think or realize that, A, this is a problem, and, B, this is a solvable thing. When your hands are really cold all the time, I've seen Wim Hof talk about it before, this practice of putting your hands in cold water or ice for like three minutes.

So somebody that's always cold thinking like this is the worst thing for me to do and my hands are always cold. I forget what the symptom is or what it's called, but they said that a lot of it can be solved simply by putting your hands in ice water for I think three minutes for like a week straight can really help the symptoms to go away. And it's like, holy shit, okay, that's difficult. But the outcome and the result, and that's what I'm obsessed with. That's why when I do have something that deters me from doing something slightly, I'm like, no, you want the result. Like don't forget about the result. The result's going to be great.

Like getting out of the cold plunge is going to be amazing. So just go into the cold plunge. Puts you in a warp zone. Yeah, it does. I'm curious about this, Ryan. We've had you on before, but now since we have both of you guys on, both of you guys started this company

and you were into floating before cold plunging and you, I'm assuming you guys were both into the. We were both into float. We both own float centers. Both of you guys own float centers. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so like... Float convention.

How is it that you guys got into cold and why is it that you found it so important that you're like, we need to build a device for this? We each had our own Genesis story with it, I think. I mean, for me, it was... You talked a lot of trash about him last time. Yeah.

He wasn't here. I said one thing. I said he smells. He didn't shower. He smelled me when he first met me. I was like, this is strange. I had to take a sniff because I was like, I need to make sure. Is he actually like...

It actually wasn't trash. It was a feature to the plunge that you actually don't need to shower anymore. So you're saving that. You're actually saving even more time. I've been like, why is this dude coming up and sniffing me? What the fuck? Freezing all the germs, I think. I think I told Mike right after, I was like, hey, heads up.

A few people might know you don't shower. I'm fine with it. Yeah, I mean, for me, it was, you know, my journey started Wim Hof documentary, 2015. The vice piece that came out. I saw it. I had no clue who Wim Hof documentary, 2015, the vice piece that came out. I saw it. I had no clue who Wim Hof was. Blew my mind. Watched it two nights in a row.

Cried both nights. It was like the most hopeful, impressionable thing that I saw. And I just started to incorporate that practice into my life with cold and breath work. I had gone through a bout of getting sick. I started to incorporate cold. I was getting into the river here locally, getting into the American River in Sacramento. Wow. And, you know, Asha Urban Bass.

From Catfoots, I even got us a membership where our employees could go get in the cold, you know, use their facilities and they could use ours. But it was just me going there all the time just to get in the cold. So that was kind of my journey to it. I fell in love and, you know, Mike had the same kind of, you know, passion and love kind of uh you know passion

and love for it yeah i mean whim's passion for it i think has like sparked the whole revolution he's so convincing about it and then i uh added cryotherapy to our float centers um which i heard from rogan you know and then um saw so many people getting so many different types of benefits from the cold that when you see these people just like feeling amazing like you know helping their autoimmune disease like you just notice okay like this is lowering inflammation like this is a real thing that's happening inflammation is like the key driver to aging you're just overwhelmed by the science and then um i ended up going on a road trip up the Rockies and I was just getting into cold water every day. It was like a fun thing to do.

And then when I got home, I was just addicted and I didn't have any way to get cold. And so I built the ice chest freezer. So that's what I use. That's what a lot of people do, right? Take the ice chest freezer, you put in like a pump, you put a thermostat in there so you can make a cold plunge pretty cheap it's like the intro pack and then um yeah pandemic hit um closed all my spas i had nothing to do so i just started building cold plunges and then uh yeah ryan came on board and are you like the engineer guy with all this stuff because like you know we were talking about the snorkel thing and he was mentioning how you just built a snorkel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Is that your background?

Yeah, like from a DIY perspective. My dad's a big DIY guy. I went to school for engineering for a year and switched to business. Definitely engineering-minded. Don't have any degree in it or anything. But I built a float tank from scratch. That's kind of how I got into floating. I've screwed around with pumps and filters and all this stuff for a long time.

I want you to build as much shit as possible so we can enjoy all these great products. Agreed. Cold plunge, a sauna, a hot tub. Right? Actually, yeah. That'd be great. With an idea, I'm just like okay you

go work on that like i'm gonna insulate you from everything else and you go engineer this product do you guys have sorry i didn't mean to cut you off any plans for like an at-home float tank by any chance because that's something that i've always wanted to get into we don't have a float tank plan at this point we have a sauna coming out. That's the next big one. Sick. So the sauna is pretty next level. It's very like ergonomic because most saunas are just boxes. So you actually can like lean back. There's a cool angle to it. Gets up to like over 210 degrees.

It's where saunas are going. It goes up to 210? Yeah. So it's not infrared? No, everyone was doing the infrared thing. It's moving to the rock sauna. You put water on it. I love that.

That's what I got. When it gets up to like 190 and you put the water on and you just get hit by that. Sizzles and you can't breathe. Yeah, exactly. That's what's up. So there's like two levels of benches. You can flip up the benches. It's seven feet by four feet. Now you got an area just to do movement.

We do kettlebells in the sauna. It's the shit. We made the door big enough that you could put like a rogue or an assault bike what is that uh laird hamilton right yeah that motherfucker works out in there right he like puts like oven mitts on or something and like exercise in there yeah he's crazy yeah that makes sense okay kelly starrett was like our inspiration we went and worked out with him and then he was like showing us these workouts like how sick would it be if we could like get this shit in there? Yeah. So that's when the whole like engineering of it kind of like how do we make this active sauna?

Yeah. So that's the – Kelly and Juliette Starrett, they both have great practices. They both do the cold. They both do the sauna. They're both super active on their bikes and hiking and all that stuff. Totally. They make it fun.

They like make it – like you always talk about like low barrier to entry. It's just like how do you make this inviting as opposed to like dogmatic or rigid? Yeah, stuff they get to do together. And it's like I'm sure maybe there's some days where one of them maybe doesn't want to do it that much, but the other one's encouraged to do it, right? Totally. Exactly. Yeah, they're a blast to hang out with, kick it with. How is cryotherapy comparing to cold plunging because i remember when i was in college we'd go to

therapy every now and then and i honestly did not feel much of a difference personally even though a lot of people swear by it but cold plunging just feels way more effective than cryotherapy i don't know if it's because of how cold the water is in your skin, but you know? Yeah. I mean, cryotherapy, there's also different machines too. So like, uh, we have one that actually gets your head. The, the cold is in the whole chamber. It gets down to negative two 20. So that one works better than the ones that are just like shoulders down obviously. Um, but yeah, with the cold, it's just a higher dose. The water is so much more conductive. It's getting deeper into your body. It's just going to be probably

3x of a dose. Obviously, the cryotherapy really does work. It's just kind of like lighter doses. What's a starting price for some of the products you have? What's a starting price for a cold plunge? 5k for the basic cold plunge. I think when people think about that, like obviously that is a big chunk of money.

But what I think is for somebody that has pain, like physical pain, hips, knees, lower back, to, it's like one of the greatest things you can get. I know for myself with the running that I've been doing, a lot of times I just put my lower leg in there before I run. Maybe about three times a week I go in fully submerged. But I put my legs in there a lot before a run, after a run. And it's really helping keep the inflammation down. So I know like a lot of athletes are kind of hungry to do some of this stuff and they're encouraged to do it because

they want to stay active. They want to stay on the court or they want to stay on the field or they want to continue to run. But I think for your average person that's just in pain or maybe they have some psychological pain, I think it could be transformative. I mean, I've seen documentaries where I was watching something with Chris Hemsworth, like Chris Hemsworth wasn't with me while I was watching it. He was in the actual series. He was featured. tiny triangle in the ice and she goes down and she is like a deep diver and she's going into this freezing cold water and it's all just to help restore her mental health and that's not the first time I've seen that I've seen that many times and heard that many times from people that are going into the cold plunge so okay five thousand dollars it yes that's there's a cost associated with that but this could be like a life-altering product for some people.

I mean we see it every day into the people, like the testimonies that people call in and things we hear. It's the coolest part of the gig, like actually getting to hear what this is doing to people's lives. And it is. I mean we're very mindful that it's $5,000. It's a big investment for a lot of people. We try and work around that with payment plans and financing options and things like that. But our big thing is how do we educate? Whether you're just learning about it now and maybe it's not in the price range now.

But like maybe you save up and in a year and a half from now, you have that opportunity to get it. But really just like educating. Like what is this doing for people? And it's like, you know, it's a gauntlet. Whether it's autoimmune disorder, we see that a massive like impact early on with that. You know, the mental health side, you know, we just did a piece with a woman that was, you know, antidepressants using it. And then she just started plunging and actually used that as her medicine. And she'll do one plunge a day.

She's off antidepressants. She'll do two plunges a day on high anxiety days. I think Andrew's noticed a difference in his own mental health, right? Yeah. And like, I don't know. I can't tally up all the amount of money that I've used to try to like keep these dark clouds away from me. But it's been a lot, okay?

Like a lot of shit that I've tried to help try to keep like the anxiety and depression to go away. Nootropics and a bunch a bunch of tons of nootropics yeah um legal and illegal shit put it that way um but they all everything is like not even close like i could i could have a bad day or whatever i could be okay and then just getting into the cold plunge, it just, it snaps everything. Like the, uh, like I, I said is like, um, you know, look at my backyard and it's like all doom and gloom and gray. And it just like, like, like, I just don't feel it. I get in there, I start breathing. And then like, dude, seriously, like, uh, because I do, you know, keep it a little bit

warmer about two, three minutes in, I opened my eyes and I'm like, holy shit, dude, my backyard is beautiful. I started like getting super grateful for like everything in my life all of a sudden. And it's like, I'll see my son like yelling through the window or something like, dude, I can't wait to get out of here and go tackle him. You know, like everything just gets way better once I get out of the cold plunge. It's it, dude, it is night and day. You know, it's something like yoga, you know, you'll hear an instructor say, you know, uh, be in the present moment, you know, with something like yoga, you know, you'll hear an instructor say, you know, be in the present moment. You know, come to your center line.

Yes, yes. They say these things. And for some people, you know, when you do that practice and you get used to that practice, you can feel that and you can feel great. But it's a little bit of like you need to practice it to feel it. It's not the case with the cold. You get yourself freezing fucking cold and you have no choice but to be in the present moment. You have to be present.

You have to start to pay attention to your breath until maybe you start to get used to it. And then after a while, you could be in there and just whistling and going under the water and breathing through a straw. But at first it's like, man, you don't have much of a choice

other than to kind of like shiver and tighten up. And then you start to learn like I can interpret this differently over time. I can get used to this stress. And over time, I can become stronger. Just like we can – any news or anything that we hear, you can start to inoculate yourself to stress over time. I think it's a great barometer to where you're at from a stress, stress, like how you intake stress at that moment in life. And it changes for me. Like some days, like I'm, I can drop in and surrender and I can just roll with a seven minute plunge and not,

I'm just in my breath. And other days I'm, I'm fighting it. And it's actually a really good, like check-in of like, oh wow, like you are stressed out right now. Like you are, your mind is not calm. That's interesting. So you almost like feel it more. Maybe it stings more. You know how when you first get in, it like stings where you're like, that's not normal. I need to get out. I think it's like, to me, it's like, you know, when I can accept things more, stress washes over me. When I'm not accepting the cold or I'm not surrendering into it, which I think is a big thing. We watch women can surrender into the plunge a lot better.

I mean, this is generalization than I think some men. Men want to get in and fight it. Like, oh, I'm here to do the tough thing. It's like it will win. When are you going to let go and actually start to breathe into it? And that's, I think, one of the greatest teachers of it is it will teach you how to breathe and how to actually succumb to the environment. And like, it's about surrendering. You want to fight the cold?

It's just, you're going to, your body's going to keep fighting it and it's going to be extremely uncomfortable. So it's something, it's a generalization that I've noticed over time that women are a little better at surrendering than men to the experience. It's a cool perspective though. That's the game is the surrender. We actually have an app coming out in a few months and you can tap into your whoop or your aura your apple watch and it'll feedback your heart rate so you get in it's gonna spike to like 100 and the game this is how calm can you get your heart rate

right so you want to slow down your breathing that's the whole game right now it's all i have is my breath i don't know my heart rate is but i'm tapped i can feel it right you know how relaxed you are so for me like you compared it to meditation like it's just this super intense meditation yeah that's it's just very unique but it's the feedback is so strong whereas when you're just sitting there meditating it's like all the your thoughts are just so subtle whereas in there you have to be kind of good at it you have to be kind of good at meditation in order to meditate like it takes not to start but after a while you got to start to get better at meditating so you can like feel the positive good effects of it probably why so many people give up because they

start thinking about other stuff again when you freeze yourself like that, you're kind of forced into that. What happened over there, Andrew? I think you might have shut down. No, I think we're still on. Something weird happened over there. Are you okay? Yeah. Andrew just took a nosedive.

But again, it just, yeah, it forces you to be in the moment. It forces you to have to pay attention. You come out with the same state of like meditation. It's like a backdoor. If you don't meditate, like get in a cold plunge and. You come out with the same state of meditation. It's like a backdoor. If you don't meditate, you get in a cold plunge and you come out three minutes later and you're... We're big on the backdoor. This is it. This is the backdoor.

You come out in that state. The backdoor podcast. The backdoor podcast? What are we doing with the backdoor on that backdoor podcast? We didn't start it yet. Sorry. My mouth's getting numbed right now is that your is that your first sip or did you already drink some i think i'm almost done you guys both love the flavor of uh the mind bullet potion so cool it's interesting

we just like mind altering experience. You know, Huberman actually made some content on cold plunging, and he was talking about how like the dopamine release is similar to cocaine. But also Anna Lemke talked about it in her book. We had her on the podcast a few years ago, how certain people who had certain addictions, not saying that the cold plunge is going to cure your addiction, but by starting the practice of cold plunging, they were able to replace certain addictions that they had that were negative with cold. So it was something that allowed them to flip-flop. And that's a big deal. You know what I mean?

Huge. It's crazy. I think what he's talking about with the mental health is the dopamine release is so huge. And it's long-lasting too. It lasts for hours. so huge and it's long lasting too it lasts for hours and i know when you have like a traumatic childhood you're actually your dopamine like uh sort of like levels that are just normal actually can get get much lower and so when you're cold plunging it can like raise it up to like more normal levels and can really be kind of the mental health component is that dopamine.

It gives you a big dosage of accomplishment. Yes. Oh, yeah. Which I don't know if people get in touch with enough. I always say I was blessed to have great parents. And so my parents didn't like reward me for like not doing anything in particular. Like they didn't overemphasize something that wasn't well done but when I did something that was well done or if I did something that they asked and I did it to my best of my ability they did make a big deal about

it so I've always felt accomplished and then as I moved into sports and stuff like that I put in good efforts with that and And I play in football. I focused on lifting to be better at football. And so I felt like I had some good accomplishments. And then later on with powerlifting, kind of same thing. But I think there's some people that have not only like never hit a home run, but they've never, they never hit a single and never got the first base and never got the pad on the back. i was just fortunate to play some sports when i was young to have two older brothers and just have a really loving family around me and i know a lot of people don't have that and so where can they feel maybe they didn't have an athletic background maybe they didn't have so it's like

how does somebody else get that momentum into accomplishment yeah sure they could you know hop on their bike or they could start running or something like that maybe they can find something that way but i think this is another way of like giving yourself this is a win right off the bat you wake up in the morning totally you gotta you know hit up that cold plunge that's not easy but it's an accomplishment like that's massive you You accomplished something. You did something. Especially when you get, I mean, I do it first thing in the morning. So you get that early, but again, we put on workshops, we've done it with our company, with staff, we put on workshops for other people, but like that first time, like when you do it in a group and you come

out, like, I mean, it is truly like, it is something that you didn't think you could do. And now you've done it and you have like you said it's that momentum you get that new thing that i'm i am capable of this like my mind didn't think i could do this two to three minutes earlier and it's such a short window like the things you talked about power lifting some of these to see results that can take it's a different level of discipline into the commitment you have to make which is a great thing in its own way it's different but cold plunging it's like give me two minutes and you can have that accomplishment like immediately from that. So I think that's a very powerful thing that people

that don't have momentum, like you can just, just two minutes and you will see something on the other side that is very quick to actually feel that level of, of accomplishment. Andrew, do you remember in SEMA how fired up he was when he told us that he went in for like 20 minutes and stuff like that? He would come in here and— How euphoric you were? He smiles often, but during that time, I mean, he was like literally jumping off the walls,

like telling us how good he was. That's one bodybuilding competition. He's doing really well in jiu-jitsu, did well in powerlifting. So he's had a lot of accomplishments, done really well. And he's feeling the effects like that. I mean, I remember he left us a voice message. He was so pumped.

He was like, guys, I don't know what happened, but I'm like learning how to breathe in this thing. And like, I went in for eight minutes. And then the next time he was like, I was in for 20 and it wasn't shit. I was able to handle it. Like, I don't understand what's going on. He was so pumped.

What do you, what do you cut it? Is it the breath of how you're breathing in it? Yeah. I think that's how it started. And then you don't really need to breathe the same way anymore. Right? Yeah. Like when you said you discovered cold, it started with me, like looking up Wim Hof stuff.

Cause he, you know, he has this whole breathing thing. And the first day that I did the Wim Hof breathing in in there obviously be careful when you do that like 100 hold but i remember that i was struggling to be in there for like two or three minutes it's like at two minutes i was like get the fuck out right but when i learned and when i started doing wim hof breathing in there i was like whoa five minutes went by and i could stay in here let me just get out and then the next day i did it again i was like i'm in here for eight minutes I'm in here for eight minutes. I'm in here for 12 minutes. And like Mark mentioned, I was like, I can just stay in here. But the cool thing is that now I don't need to do Wim Hof breathing anymore to cold plunge for a long time. It's weird. I used to need it to cold plunge for long periods of time. But now I don't

know if I'm cold adapted and maybe my, I don't know, I'm just more used to it that I don't need to do the Wim Hof breathing to be able to be comfortable in cold. And the other thing that's really dope is, I don't know who was talking about it, but they're mentioning how, I was mentioning this to you, Mike, when you get cold adapted, you maybe you don't want to stay cold adapted. You want to have periods where you don't use it so that you have that shock again to the cold but every time i finish cold plunging i always feel amazing that state changes just like boom go go do your shit it just feels great and that's never gone away you know what i mean that's why it's such an

addictive thing because you know once you're out of here you can just blast off to whatever it is you need to do you know it's why we wild. We're made for it, right? Yeah. We've been getting in cold water since the beginning of time. Yeah. It's like, think about what killed most humans a long time ago. Probably the cold, right? So how have we evolved to survive in those scenarios?

It's throwing every neurotransmitter and hormone that's going to make you optimistic to get out of the, you're probably on a frozen lake and it cracks and you fall in how does the human being survive that situation dopamine norepinephrine like uh everything right metabolism your blood goes to your brain and your core to keep it warm and then so it's just everything is it's the whole cocktail. I think about that all the time. How the fuck? How did we survive? Like, imagine just like not having shoes and it's there's like ice and snow on the ground. Like, how the fuck?

And you're hungry and you got to hunt. We're definitely like the inverse of it now. It's like I look at the ancestors. It's like they were not. They weren't looking to get in cold water. You know, it's like when they're not in cold water like i'm fucking chilling yeah we chill all the time it's like okay i need a cold plunge to get in cold water so again that chris hemsworth thing he fast for four days and they got peter it on there it's really cool there's some of the information

that they show and they show uh they go to a tribe in africa i think i don't know they always got to go to a track it's the motherland where else are we gonna go so i was just thinking like how dumb would those guys think if you explained to them that you're doing like i didn't eat for four days that's life this guy's killing a rabbit with a fucking bow and arrow he's probably like and he's celebrating obviously because they're excited that they got uh food but he's probably like you you're doing what you're choosing not to eat and there's all that fucking food everywhere are you retarded oh my god i sent you over the thing just play maybe just a couple seconds it's cool to hear his voice whatever it takes, relax

are you ready? I am here we go and there's also an ad guys round number one breathe in, breathe out breathe in breathe out just go with the flow do you guys do

when you plunge how would i plunge you can stop it there it's pretty much just that and you do about 30 breaths of that and uh you you uh blow some air out and then you hold and he recommends to hold for like a minute i think is the first one and then there's. And he recommends to hold for like a minute, I think is the first one. And then there's another round where you release your air and you hold for like 90 seconds and stuff. And I think it's effective. I also think it's like, it's kind of a lot for someone to do in a cold plunge.

So I don't really recommend that you do in a cold plunge. You might want to try it before you get in. Totally. The way that I do that in the cold though is I will do the breathing. I'll do about 30 breaths just like I did today. I demonstrated it. I do that in the cold though, is I will do the breathing. I'll do about 30 breaths just like I did today. I demonstrated it. I blow the air out. I hold for like 20, 30 seconds and then I breathe in, hold for another 15 seconds. And once you do that one round,

you know, something happens to your body where everything, you get a little numb to the cold. I don't know if it's just because you're distracted or I don't know if it has to do with the CO2 and oxygen ratio. I think you're bringing a lot of warmth to like the intercostal region. That's what it feels like. It feels like you have a heater that's starting up in here. Totally. You know?

Yeah. And like you said, it's like, obviously, if you're going to do it, make sure other people are around because you are kind of redlining your body into like the breath holds and things like that. But yeah, it's a great way to warm up after or even before. Kind of generate the body, generate some warmth in the body and then get in there. So it's – I mean his breath – I mean just him for a second. Like that guy, he's an incredible human.

Like he built this world. Everyone called him crazy. Did his wife – did she commit suicide? She did. She had a lot of, yeah, I think she was bipolar, a lot of mental health stuff. So he set out on a mission to kind of, you know, why? Why does the body go through this? And I think he like randomly just jumped into a cold lake one day or something, right?

Yeah. It was a pretty very like simple genesis. And he said the cold was like his teacher. It was like this like godly teacher that was just kind of teaching him how to breathe and be. And that was like the start of it all. And that's, you know, he's made it so to me genius is simplicity. And he's made this so simple. He doesn't overthink it.

He is as much as big as he's gotten. It's still very, very simple. But just him for so long, he was the crazy guy, you know, like ridiculed, shot down. He is an anomaly. This is not what humans think. There was no belief that we could control our nervous systems. You know, science had no, that was just, you're crazy. And he stuck with it to bring us to this type of conversation where now we have access to this modality, to this health for ourselves. And I just, I get fired up on him

because it's just like a guy that like kept sharing, you know, it was like, I don't care what you call me. Like I care enough about people that I'm going to get this message out there that you guys all understand that I am not unique. And this is what everyone, this is our like God-given right and what we can do with our body. I think it's easy to point out to say someone's crazy

or to say that you think someone's dumb or to just like automatically feel that someone's trying to pressure you to do something or because it's new information that you've never seen or heard before. You're like, I've never heard this before. This is dumb. Like this isn't-

Where's the research? Yeah, where's the research? And we're guilty. We thought the same thing of fasting and some other things over the years. I've definitely, and I'm definitely still that way. I've still, you're going to be a little guarded, but I think we have to be really careful

on having it negatively impact our ability to learn and absorb new information because new information is out there it's circling around us all the time and i think someone like wim hof presenting the cold i mean like he clearly was right he's been pushing this narrative for a long time and finally it started to get through and it's like it takes somebody until they get on like joe rogan or until they get on a big time tv show uh for them to be able to kind of get that message all the way out there but if you're if you're paying attention you're listening there's people that have good messages and and look just most of the time it's just like try some of this stuff intermittent fasting. Just try to skip breakfast.

Or do what he did and he's just listening to his body. He's not looking for someone else's research to prove. He's going, no, I feel it. I feel it inside me. And so we always say that with the plunge. What temperature should you start at? How long should you do? Listen to your body.

And if it feels good keep doing it right like you don't have to go find the research for everything in your life like if it's feeling good cool lean into it you know that's why i think like we we should start to trust our intuition more because there there's a weird side of it where it's uncomfortable and it doesn't necessarily it's not pleasurable when you're doing it. And naturally, we want to seek things that are comfortable. So the cold plunge in and of itself is an odd device because you're going after discomfort. But the really awesome thing is that you become more resilient over time because you sought out something that was really uncomfortable and really non-pleasurable in the moment to do. It's no different than working out. It's like you're working out, you're building your muscle up to, you're actually getting in, you're tearing your muscle down so it grows back

stronger. At the end of the day, you're doing that in a cold plunge. You're getting a dump of adrenaline, your nervous system's on fire. Well, it's like now you're just expanding the breath that you can, figuratively, the breath that you can stress that you can handle. So Well, it's like now you're just expanding the breath that you can like figuratively, like the breath that you can stress that you can handle. So I think it's very similar to working out. I'd like to challenge people too, to like prove themselves wrong a little bit. You know, when you go on a run or you go to do something, challenge yourself just a tiny bit more than normal. And you'll be shocked at what you can do. I remember the first time that I squatted 705 in a competition. I remember doing my opening attempt, which was like 633. And then I think I went 661

and then I went 705. When I did the 633, I got so much pressure in my head at the bottom of the squat. And then I, you know, I did the lift successfully and I racked it and I was like, oh man, I don't know, like anything heavier than that. Like, I don't think I'll be able to do that. And I was like, well, you know, you put your attempt in and just like, see how you feel and just go out there and just give it a go. So I did the next one kind of same thing, but the pressure was a little bit more cause there was more weight. Went out for 705 and did that one successfully as well. But when I was done, I was like, I'll never lift more than that. I don't understand how people lift more than that. Like that amount of pressure was crazy.

I can't. There's just no possible way. Like I kind of counted myself out, you know. And then I did the competition and then, you know, talked to other lifters and stuff after a while. And they're like, Oh dude, it's not like, it's not a huge deal. You'll get used to the pressure. And then years later ended up squatting over a thousand pounds many times in competition. Yeah. You built that baseline up where you're talking about it before the podcast. It's like you experience it once it's so unique. It's so foreign. It's almost overwhelming. Well, that soon will become your baseline like

that's you want to play on that edge have you gotten that before in jujitsu like when you were starting like when somebody you know put their elbow or knee on you were you like i don't get it i don't like there's you'll never get used to that well there was there was the aspect of like having that type of pressure but there's also just the fact that none of it made sense so you're getting you're getting tapped by so many people people that don't strength train and people that are like half your size are consistently making me tap and it didn't feel like i'd ever understand it you know what i mean um but over time doing it more you you get better you improve and that's kind of, the cool thing with cold plunging

because the first time I did it, I don't think I was in there for up to a minute and a half. I think I was in there for maybe a minute. I was like, I'm fucking getting out because it just feels like you're getting stung. You know, when you first start cold plunging, like the sensation just doesn't feel good. But you do it a little bit more, you get used to it,

and you realize how good you feel. It's just, again, it's a fucking addictive feeling, you know? I was curious about the autoimmune stuff that you guys were talking about a bit. Thank you, yeah. Because I want, like, you guys probably get so many people that call in and send you guys reviews just how it's helped them. But what kind of stuff have you seen as far as autoimmune issues and how it's helped? And maybe why is it helping with that? It's lowering the inflammation is number one.

I mean, Mike, our sales guy, Michael, has MS. So he's in like two, three times a day. And I mean, he just feels way better. Do you have any other like? I mean, I think to me, what I'm noticing, it's like autoimmune tends to be a imbalance of the nervous system. It's like, whether it's parasympathetic, sympathetic, like your body, there's, there's an imbalance going on in the body. Yeah. Cold is a way to, to balance that. I mean, like Doug Steine, he was a guy that was

on his deathbed. It was, He's a Wim Hof practitioner. We've had him in to teach at our company. His story is incredible. He was one that was a realtor, high-stress lifestyle, farthest from breath work, cold plunging, any of it. Thought he was fine. Within 48 hours, he was paralyzed in a hospital, and they were like, we don't know if you'll ever walk again or if you'll live. We don't know what to do for you. Sent him home.

Paralyzed in his house for months. He had young children. He was in his 60s at that time, so he had had kids a little later. And, I mean, it's on YouTube. It's an incredible story. And his son found out about Wim Hof and was like, dad, there's a, there's a guy that doesn't get sick and he can heal himself. And that was, you know, from his nine-year-old son, that was the story. And he was like, okay, that doesn't. So his dad's like, his son was like,

all you got to do is get cold. You got to get in cold water. And so they would wheel him in, plop him into the shower and just splash cold water on him. Yeah. Within, I mean, I don't want to butcher the, it was within like six to eight weeks. He was moving, walking. He is now, can do the splits overhand. Like he can snatch anything. He's the epitome of health. Yeah. And this was deathbed to all he did was they rolled him in, poured cold water on him.

He learned to breathe in there. And his body adapted and kind of rebalanced itself from like a nervous system standpoint. So I think there's – it varies per person in what they're going through. But that to me is the – we see that group have the quickest results. Like it's – they get it. A weekend, I'm noticing a massive difference. So it's an area that we would like to, you know, from research and study, like kind of figure out what's going on there. But it's when someone calls in and they're like, I think I'm getting a plunge.

I've kind of, I've lost all hope. I don't know what route to go. I get really excited when I hear about those people. Cause it's like, you're on the right path. Yeah. Have you noticed a big difference for people that are really, really resistant to it, it having maybe a stronger impact for some of them? People who are like, there's just cold and me, like we don't mix. That's my girlfriend. I can't do it.

I'll never do it. I'll never try it. And then if there is some sort of encouragement and they do actually get in, have you noticed like a profound difference for some of those folks? I think what we notice is like, like partners, like, you know,

the husband wants it. The wife's like, I don't want this thing. Like it's not, it's going to take up space. Well, he gets it. She gets in with him for the first time.

And then she becomes the one that's doing it all the time. So I think from a resistance standpoint, I haven't really seen one that's doing it all the time so i think from a resistance standpoint i haven't really seen anyone that's resistant unless they're their mental capacity like how they perspective on life they just are all about the resistance and they go into it usually it takes someone that kind of backdoors it in for them that gets them to to want to get in i you know it's not one that's it takes a mental resilience to actually be like i want to get in. I, you know, it's not one that's, it takes a mental resilience to actually be like, I want to get into a cold plunge or I'm willing to. My wife pulled a fast one on me one day.

She's like, Hey, she's like, did you see that Hannah Eden got into the cold plunge? Set you up. And I was like, no, she's like,

you're, she's like, you're totally lying. And I'm like, I mean, I, yeah i i saw it yeah i was like all right i saw it but i didn't see it yeah i didn't stop and look at it i saw it as i'm scrolling right past it on my feet i didn't look yeah i was like what do you want me to do she's beautiful and he's like she's really hot shout out hannah god damn set up you got so i hate those setups like hannah and paulo we love you both oh yeah

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So head there right now and get yourself some hostage tape. Links in the description along with a podcast show notes. Shut your f***ing mouth when you sleep. Enjoy the show. You know, this whole thing though, because, dog, for example, MindBullet bullet you feel really good right um when we're caffeine coffee you feel really fucking good after drinking a cup of coffee i think some people find it somewhat ridiculous that it's like super cold water are you guys serious is this is this legit just getting into cold water is doing all this shit for you but it is really wild like what it's

doing for people and what it's done for us like it's just getting into some 40 degree water it makes a huge difference and it's it's just temperature dog right you know it's we're at the uh uh what is the bulletproof the the conference we went to the biohacking conference the biohacking conference we have the cold plunges set up and you walk around and it's all of these interesting devices and technology. Red light for your balls. Lifel Somal. Red light for your balls.

And all this engineering and science going on. And we're out there on the way home to the restaurant after. I was like, it's just comical, dude. We brought cold water to this thing. And we had a line of people to get in. Like, oh, my God. You guys have the cold plus. It's cold water to this thing. We had a line of people to get in like, oh my God, you guys have the cold plunge. It's like, yeah, it's cold water.

It's like the simplest, most natural thing ever. It's basically the best thing you can possibly actually do at the Bulletproof Conference. It's just cold water. It's too simple. It's so simple. We have a guy at our company, he does a lot of maintenance around the facility.

He maintenances our gym now, where the cold plunges are. So we have this program at our company where we pay our staff to plunge. If they plunge X number of times a month, we pay them money. We want them to do it. Really? Yeah. That's awesome. It's a way to engage them and get them doing it. Cool. And so anyways, now he's in the gym a lot more. And so he was in the gym and he came out and now he's lost a lot of weight, and he's losing more weight. And he's like, you know what? I thought for months this was snake oil.

And he's like, now I'm getting into it. And he's like, you know, so it's so exciting to hear him where he was like, this is bullshit. Like, these guys are so passionate about this cold water, and now he's doing it. He's like, all right, I get it. I understand what's going on here. Another amazing thing to sell is fasting. What'd you come to the conference with? Nothing.

Yeah, we're just not eating. Yeah, we're not selling anything. But you can sign up here. Give us your email and we'll get you ready to rip. Have you guys played around with fasting? I remember you mentioned, I think, that you do. And what's your experience with it? A little bit.

Just some three-day fast here or there. crazy but that is crazy it's an interesting ride right because I feel so depleted at first and then you get over some kind of hump and all it's like now it's like wait I have like more energy than ever like what's going on here so that that was interesting yeah it makes it makes a difference and you do quite a bit of fasting right or intermittent fasting yeah I've done some I go through my phases and seasons with it. I think right now it's more of like kind of restrictive eating windows and things like that for myself. Like hours before bed and then trying to get that 16 hours kind of eight-hour eating window is like more of life now. But yeah, I've done some extended fasts as well.

Same thing. Different results every time too. That's always been. But yeah, I've done some extended fasts as well. Same thing. Different results every time too. That's always been some of my body like has big time reactions and I'm like shitting the whole time and doing this. And other times it's like massive clarity in the head.

So it's definitely a reflection of where the body is at that moment. I think that's where you get to where you're just like, yeah, I don't even know if I really fast. But you're doing 14 to 16 hours probably fairly regularly without even noticing it anymore. Yeah, totally. I tend to overeat. Yes, that is my thing. It's fun to go to dinner with Ryan because you're getting three apps and then he's

getting two dinners. You want that never. I just want everything. I want it all. We're glad we don't have that problem. We're so disciplined. If you guys don't know, that was a lie. That was a lie. It's the thing.

So this is like a hack for me of like eight hours, like you're eating in and outside. And I can't eat. I can get full, but I get full for that window. And then it's done. And I'm out and I got to chill out for a bit. Sit on the sidelines. Yeah. What do you guys notice because you're coming out with a sauna?

So obviously I go to Asha all the time because they have a sauna there. I like going between the cold and the heat. But do you guys notice some type of difference when you go from sauna to cold plunge back and forth? Or how do you guys practice that? The sauna, the cold's intense. When you get into the 190s and getting in the really hot sauna going into the cold, you almost have to take a moment in between sometimes because you can have some really strong reactions to the cold.

That's happened to me. When I went back and forth, when I came out of the cold, the room started spinning. I had to just take a seat. But your blood pressure's just going all the way up and down. You kind of get lightheaded. Yeah. But, I mean, sauna's great.

I don't know. I love doing them both, hot and with the cold. I always recommend ending with the cold. Definitely like intense. It's a lot on the body, you know? So if you're doing contrast every day, I don't know if that's quite the move. I mean, some people are. It's like, you know, for me, I have the sauna at the house. It's cold plunge every day. I don't know if that's quite the move. I mean, some people are. It's like for me, I have the sauna at the house.

It's cold plunge every morning and then I'll do contrast like a few. It's mostly I do sauna and then I just kind of end on cold and just kind of get the core body temperature back down a bit. But it's yeah, there's yeah, like I said, it's

pretty taxing metabolically on the body to be doing both. I will say, because there's going to be someone who's going to comment, but you want the inflammatory response after you work out. There's been research to show that it wants hypertrophy. Mark, what do you think about it? I'm just curious, dog. I think it's crap, man. I think consistency is king.

So fit stuff in wherever you can. And I don't know exactly how this research paper was done. I never really looked at it. I never really tend to care about the research of stuff. I think it's overblown a lot of times. And let's just say hypothetically that it shows one hour after training that maybe it has detrimental effects on your hypertrophy. It's like how many people have access to the cold, you know, literally one hour after training? Plus, how do we know that,

okay, maybe it showed that it didn't have a positive impact on hypertrophy in this condensed period of time with these particular people. But how do we know like over time over the six week period that the overall benefits of the cold still didn't have more of a positive impact on people so i don't really love to look at that kind of stuff but i have changed for myself when i get into the cold but that actually has more to do with just my activity in the morning i i've been running every morning. And so I was like, I want to try to amplify my run. And I was trying like coffee and some kratom and stuff. I was like, you know, let me just get into the, let me just get into the cold. Like that, nothing's going to fire me up better than that. Cause sometimes coffee will work, you know, sometimes a little caffeine works

and other times it doesn't land on me perfectly. So, and then plus I don't want to have any like digestion issues as I'm running. So like, let me just hit that cold plunge up for three minutes. times it doesn't land on me perfectly so and then plus i don't want to have any like digestion issues as i'm running so like let me just hit that cold plunge up for three minutes but i don't think there's really a big concern about muscle hypertrophy and i might be like way off but i think that one of the studies at least that people point to like if you actually dive into it it was something like uh they they did like a run or a workout whatever and like they put like one foot into an ice bucket and they're like showed that like oh you're left and right or a lot different therefore right cold plunging is bullshit like whoa like and again i could be way off but i'm

pretty sure memory serves me correctly on that one no totally they were putting their calf yeah the cold one calf okay so measured the size of the the muscle growth so if you want to base a lot of your belief in this one fucking study that i think we can all agree was like not done properly again how many people are very specifically also training for hypertrophy so if you're super worried about it i guess you can just not cold plunge on that particular day after your workout no i think that's a I mean, if you're training for some competition, like maybe you want to bring that in. I think for the, the average person, it, to me, it's a long game.

Like, am I trying to show back up tomorrow and like get my workout in? Like you're talking about jujitsu, like, you know, you can, you're able, you're capable now to go again. I think that's where most of us lie. But yeah, if you have a massive bodybuilding competition, maybe you don't do it right after a workout. I don't know. I don't think we have enough really research to understand that.

But I think to me, it goes back to like listening to our bodies. How do I feel after I – like if I work out in cold plunge, like measure yourself over that month. Like am I still working out hard? Am I feeling good in my body? To me, that's the most important thing. And if the answer is yes, then I think it's a great program as opposed to like I can't do it because this paper said that. And these practices have been around forever.

I mean athletes have been doing this for a long time. But just people didn't have – there wasn't like cold plunge companies. time, but just people didn't have, there wasn't like cold plunge companies. There was like, I guess there were maybe different versions of them, but there was like, you know, the 49ers and all these teams, they've had versions of some sort of cold plunge or some sort of ice bath after their training. And I realize that's after conditioning maybe, and not necessarily after strength, but people have been utilizing these techniques for many, many years. Totally. And I think, again, just find out find out discover it like people got to go and kind of see how their body responds to it it's not a one size fits all yeah and definitely like if because it's not like

we're shitting on research but like i'm someone who i'll pay attention to it right so like if i lifted sometimes i'll only cold punch for 30 seconds to a minute like i won't use a cold punch for three minutes or four minutes like I typically do in the morning. Do 30 seconds to a minute because I just feel better. Exactly. And then boom. Keep the progress going because it's – if you're worried about that, it's not that big of a deal. Oh, it's very comfortable. It's Lulu.

It's fleece. Yeah, that feels good. Lulu. You guys got to feel that. Hit us up, guys. fleece you guys gotta feel that hit us up guys um but dude it it is really crazy how much better you feel especially after like a hard jiu-jitsu workout or mark you know a hard run cold punching for a little bit just you can tell the recovery difference on a day-to-day basis and i kind of think about that like if you are a lifter one thing to think about is what if you're able to

work out more often and with more volume because you feel better each day? So you're doing a five-week training program. And usually you feel beat up on the next day you have to work out and the next day you have to work out. But let's say that now the next day you feel a little bit fresher and you can move more training volume. I don't know there's been no research into that but maybe the amount of more volume you're able to work with counteracts the slight inflammatory you know response or decrease inflammation that you get from cold plunging it's just test it out and see what you actually feel because sometimes this research is bullshit yeah and you can't you cannot deny

like how how much better your workout is when you're just feeling good. Like when you're literally like in a good mood. Like the music's hitting today. Like the coffee was hitting today or the pre-workout, whatever. And then you're like, dude, I just had such a good day and then I had such a good workout. It's like, well, what if you can have a good day every time you went to work out? Dude, yeah. No, absolutely. Just something to try.

And I don't want to overhype hype it but the experience of that i've had a lot of times it feels like at least in the moment a couple moments after i get out of the cold plunge it feels like my workout is washed away like it feels i don't feel the fatigue i don't feel the pain maybe I don't feel the pain. Maybe I had a little something in my back, maybe something in the shoulder. All of that shit's gone. I mean, at that point, you're just kind of like thinking like, I need to fucking get warm. It's kind of more what's on your mind.

I actually had my daughter put her leg in there because she wouldn't get in all the way, but her ankle was bothering her after some volleyball. leg in there because she wouldn't get in all the way, but her ankle was bothering her after some volleyball. And she goes in and she's in there for like 90 seconds or so. And she comes out and I was like, well, she goes, well, my leg is completely numb. I was like, all your problems are solved. She's just looking at me like, I don't think so. But it does help a lot. For me, it helps a lot with, I'll get some edema, some swelling in a lower leg when I start to run further, if I run 8 miles, 10 miles, 12 miles, that kind of thing. And there's only a few things that really help it. Compression helps a lot.

So like the Normatec boots can help a lot. Just kind of wrapping my leg can help. A compression sock type of thing can help a lot. Just kind of wrapping my leg can help. A compression sock type of thing can help as well. Putting my feet up, having your feet, like I'll just put my feet up on a wall and I'll lay down next to the wall. And then the cold plunge, but the cold plunge helps immediately. I should see if I can take a video of it. I don't know if it would be that profound, but my lower leg is pretty clearly swollen. And then I put my legs all the way up to my knees. I put my leg in there, and when I come back out,

I can actually see the tendons in my feet. And I don't have a cankle at that moment because it gets... I want to do some before and after just like literally like wake up take a photo and then go plunge

and get out and take another photo like you're all sad my face looks completely different you know after a plunge I don't know what happens

but I agree with that yeah you guys had any psychedelic fun since the last time we talked because I know you guys are into that

oh interesting question yeah you want to tell them about our journey, Ryan? Oh. Yeah, we have. We did, so a local place here, it's called Shaw Mines. They're a ketamine treatment center. What are they called?

Shaw Mines? Shaw Mines. They're in like midtown downtown Sacramento. Beautiful spot. Here in Sacramento? Yeah. I've gone a number of times. I think I've been about five times.

But then Mike and I just went last week together. Awesome experience. You go in. It's everything you would think. It's this beautiful kind of clinic, but the rooms are all set up with couches. Everyone's very, very nice. Very nice. So comforting.

Psychedelic lights in your room. You go in and they take your vitals, take your blood pressure, kind of talk to you, check in. Sometimes they'll do some breath work with you prior, really ground you in, and then they give you a good injection of ketamine. Injection? You can do IV drip, intermuscular. Snorting?

No, that's not the case. That's the only way I've done ketamine before. That's only at home. Yeah, onlymuscular. Snorting? No, that's not the case. That's the only way I've done ketamine before. That's only at home. It's a very different, so like intermuscular is like the most intense form. It's a blast off. It's the rapid onset. It's what you want.

If you've tried the oral, like, you know, you're about 5% into what an IM experience is going to be. I mean, it's a full-on disassociation. Like, ketamine is a fascinating one. I've done DMT, ayahuasca, mushrooms, Ellis. This is the strongest psychedelic experience I've ever had by far in terms of the visual taking you out of your mind and body i have ever had it it was so mind-blowing and in 50 minutes literally chilling chatting with ryan going hey how was that man i was like whoa that

was that was crazy and we go to dinner and after dinner i am completely back to normal is it scary you know like mushrooms can get a little – You're at a K-hole. I'm sure it's different for everyone. It's not like that though. Like psychedelics typically can get squirrely and confusing. Ketamine is its own thing. It's not that. It goes in a – you're so disassociated with your own life and your body.

That's why it's good for depression. You're just so sucked out into a void and on this just wild ride. You're just taken by it and you're listening to this awesome music and you're just sort of like having an experience. And I'm like, well, I'm not Michael. I'm not a human. Like, what am I? You know? And then you just come back and all of a sudden you're back in your body.

Do you get introspective? Like, yeah, yeah. When you talk about the visuals and stuff, because, okay, I have done ketamine once. It was a few years ago with some friends on a beach and it was snorted and didn't feel anything like that. Everything was still super clear, nothing. It just felt like, oh, wow, I'm in a puffy cloud. That's it, right? Yep.

But this sounds very different. This is so different. Way different, yeah. It's just such right? Yep. But this sounds very different. This is so different. Way different, yeah. It's just such a higher dose. Like he's saying, probably like 10x the snorting experience, if not more. But it's like an incredibly safe drug. Yeah.

Do you feel it's addicting? I think if you have, you know, like people can get like the snorters. Like you can just have it in like a spray bottle. Like I'm sure it can be quite addorters. You can just have it in a spray bottle. I'm sure it can be quite addicting. It's problematic. I think anything can become – I don't think from an addictive, from like a actual like your body needs it and craves it. Like maybe say like a Vicodin or something like that where it's like your body actually is like I need this or alcohol. But I think, yeah, I mean like anything. how are you using it why are you using this is this am i

addicted to the escapism that's coming exactly that's what it is and or is it like i use it as a pattern interrupter in my life like i love this facility it takes all the stress out like i am in a safe place with professionals and they dose me correctly and there's nothing I have to worry about but to me it's like it just I want to take it for a run would I end up in like Michigan or something I can

connect you with them if you guys want to get in but is that a bad idea to take it on a run like oh take it on a run like I want to take it for a run I want to give it a whirl it depends on the run yeah like you actually go running i thought you were like i want to take for a run i want to give it i want to give it a whirl like it depends on the dose right it's actually can make you pretty wobbly like you kind of disassociate so it's a little like you can almost get sea legs i like it even better it's fun to dance it's fun it's a good dancing drug totally if someone's already on like ssris and that sort of thing and like

medications is this something that they can still do, or is it something that... I think ketamine can. Some of the other psychedelics, like ayahuasca and some of these, you don't want to be mixing that. I don't think it's an issue. I don't think it is, but... There are some contraindications, so do your research. Yeah, exactly.

But that's who they mostly work with is people. It's not Mike and I going in that have a pretty strong mental health side, pretty stable, using it for more of growth and development, where a lot of people are going in like, no, I am severely depressed, and I've done everything, and I don't know how to break out of this. So a lot of them are on medication. Yeah. What about Iboga? I have not. I haven't done that one. out of this. So a lot of them are on medication. What about Iboga?

I have not. I haven't done that one. No. It's on the list. Yeah, we had a guy on our show that was really good. He has a treatment center down in Mexico, and he was explaining all the benefits to us. It was really, really interesting.

That one's like the one that my best bud did it recently. That one, it's like usually I'm like, I'm in. I want to go in. That one has this like, whoa. Challenging. When you're doing the Aboga style, I mean, it's like a 72-hour experience. You're going three straight days and you're just in it. And that's a whole new, it's not Rushmore of.

Yeah, it's like finding a portal, right? Like, do you really want to go like three days into the future or something? Like, what's the ramifications of this? And can you go back or whatever it might be? It's going to open it up. I mean, there's, you know, I believe in these substances when used with good intentions. Like, it's always going to be, even if it's challenging on the other side, it will still be positive. But it's, you know, that one to me, I'm like, whew.

I don't know. It's not calling me right at this moment. What was your guys' intention when you tried ketamine? Was that the first time for you both? They got fucked up. So how this one came. I mean, Mike and I, our background together has very – psychedelics has been like a commonality. We've done them together, whether it be ayahuasca or mushrooms, and it's been a connecting tool for us.

So for me, I had gone months ago, and during my experience, I had been like, oh, you need to come do this with Mike. We get so caught up in the business, like where we're business, business, business, business. We're friends first and foremost. It's like we need to – he moved down to San Diego. So it's like how are we creating intentional time that we can go out outside of the company and like really connect with each other. And so that's where it came to me like, oh, go do this with my, this is what you guys want to go do. So I set that up.

So that was kind of my bigger overarching intention. I think this time I had kind of with my actual intention was like I feel like I've been tasked with a lot of big decisions. That's just consistent, but clarity in decision making. Not like the answer in the decisions, but like just being steadfast in my decisions. That was kind of my intention going in um i think if you're if you're looking for a lot of wisdom and life-changing you know whatever you know your ayahuasca your mushrooms acid are probably better tools ketamine is like he's saying that the pattern interrupter um for me it was that just and just curiosity we've heard how strong of an experience it is, but also it's super.

This is the safest environment. Those two things, my curiosity to one of the strongest psychedelics and this is completely safe, I'm doing it. I'm too curious. All these things allow access into these different parts of your mind, and I've always found they are helpful. And so why not see what's there? What's been your experience?

Like, how are they helpful? What do you feel it's maybe revealing to you? Because that's what I've felt doing things like mushrooms and LSD and stuff like that. It feels like it's holding a mirror up to you, which is very uncomfortable, by the way. But it's not like a mirror reflection. It's like a literal, real reflection like a mirror reflection it's like a

literal real reflection of yourself um and it's like shit man it really kind of makes you reinvestigate and uh rethink maybe the way you're acting and the just the way you're treating people and those kinds of things have you guys had similar experiences absolutely yeah yeah it's been awesome i think it's a well i think it to me it's more of getting into that subconscious like i live so much here and think this is everything that's happening where 95 of the show is actually happening on a level that i can't see and this just provides a window into that and you know sometimes it's really challenging sometimes and it's just such a curated personal experience you know that it's me, like in every single person's

psychedelic experience, like, you know, it's going to be very different. And so like, but you get this curated, personalized tool to go in and it can be whatever you want. Like, I'm not saying psychedelics is just for people can use it just for silliness and goofiness. And like, I've used that too, for fun and laughter. It can be a tool for that. Or do I take it in with like, I actually want to go in and develop myself and learn new insights of how I like patterns that I have, things that I'm not aware of. So it's been massive for me. I mean, whether it's stemming to better relationships and understanding my parents more, which in turn helps me understand myself more to like me as a person and how I, how I actually show up, like how people engage with me, how I speak to people, um, to the depth of like my spirituality and who am I as a person and how I actually show up, like how people engage with me, how I speak to people to the depth of like my spirituality and who am I as a human and what am I – like what is this life to me?

So it's – and it varies every single time. So it's to say like I have gotten – it has been – they are some of the greatest tools that I've ever worked with. I think those are scary things for most of us to like look into or examine. So maybe people just kind of, a lot of people just kind of truck on with their normal day. It is scary. And maybe don't want to tap into any of that. Yeah. It's scary whether you try psychedelics or whether you just stop and think about any of it. Totally. Either way. I get scared every time I go in, which is why. Really? Every time. Like I get fearful, like I'll cry a lot before. Like, cause it it's like whether it's like my ego knowing like man you're gonna be different after this and it's but i have

ultimate faith into it but again it's like it's an environment it's it's similar to go back to it's like it's a micro adversity like i this life is pretty fucking like we've created so much comfort and to go in with the ultimate roll of the dice of like i don't know what's coming but i'm gonna go face that and that is like that's the exercise for me and yes all the growth all the things that i just mentioned come from it but the actual fact of stepping into something scary that i'm uncomfortable with and i'm gonna show up that to me is the kind of the crux for me. I think what you get a lot of times is just clarity. In a simple analogy, it's just like this flashlight that you can kind of shine around.

And it's like, I want to know what's in the corner. I want to know what's under the rug. In my normal consciousness, I'm not seeing it. It's like, oh, show me the blind spot. Great. Thank you. It can be hard, but you come away with an insight and something you didn't know was there. And now you can actually go act differently or whatever.

Yeah. It is really cool because like years ago, I was the kind of guy who if I heard you guys having this conversation, I'd be like, man, these white guys are crazy. They're fucking wild out here doing fucking acid and all this shit. Like they got issues. Okay. But after, after I did some mushrooms, right.

It's not something I do a crazy amount of, and I've done the higher doses a few times, but it's something that did allow me to be more comfortable being less reserved because I'm an individual who likes to have control over the way I come across. And just, I mean, I don't let, I didn't used to let a lot of that out. And one of the lasting things that I've seen that I've noticed about myself is like, I am just much more okay with just being myself.

And not like, not worrying, is the person going to think I'm weird? Are they going to think I have, like, I don't really think about that anymore. And that's really cool that that's stayed. Probably think you're weird if you're thinking that they think you're weird right you'll probably be like uptight and maybe act differently or too fucking stoic and to eat like that type of shit you know but it's it's it's really cool how it helps you whatever you're whatever you think you're dealing with it helps you come to terms with it helps you kind of see that and then it's your choice whether you do make changes from that. It's cool. It's pretty dope. How about for you, Andrew? Yeah, it's the, again, like the being present, bringing in the moment, just like in the cold plunge. My drug of choice is breathwork. And I've had the craziest psychedelic experiences doing that as opposed to mushrooms or anything.

Well, I haven't done anything. I've done mushrooms and that's about it. But, you know, one of the things that like I went into one of these experiences was like, all right, I need you to help me get over the fact that my mom has cancer. Like, okay, we need to like work through this because this is all brand new. Like this is going to be tough. And in this experience, like I literally have conversations with angels and shit. it is wild and it's a lot of breath work doing just breath work um and what they told me they were just like hey like you can still text her right now you can call her right now why are you so sad about what's going to happen after you have so much opportunity right

now and i'm like oh fuck that's right so after i got out of it i'm like dude i need to go do this so for me it's just like um being super grateful about what i currently have not wanting more you know so it kind of like slaps me in the face and it's like dude you are doing so good right now like keep leaning more into that like keep leaning into the things that you have access to right now so So like, again, kind of going back, it puts me in the present moment and it helps me appreciate this moment right now. And that's what these experiences have helped me do like way better. I've tried stacking breathwork with mushrooms. It didn't really work out very well. Mainly not like nothing bad happened, but like I wasn't focused on doing breathwork for a little while. So I took some time off and then I was like, oh, here we go.

I'm going to load up and I'm going to stack these things on top of each other. I got in there and they're like, hey, we know what you're doing right now. You're trying to cheat the system by taking some other stuff. What you need to do is just do the work and keep coming back more often. And I saw nothing and I wasted like not wasted, but I went through an hour of like just darkness when normally I see colors I see people I see all kinds of shit this time it was just like all right lesson learned I got it got the message that's pretty cool have you tried uh some pretty good dosage of kratom with your breath work no I have not actually that'd be interesting yeah

for me kratom just it just always hits about the same way. Every once in a while, I guess if I had like food or something, it might alter it slightly, but it's a little bit like caffeine for me where it just seems to give me, like every time I take it, I'm like, that fucking just, that just works. You know, sometimes I'm like, maybe I take too much of this. And I try to be reasonable as I can with it. But I'm also like, it feels good. It feels like it works. Use it appropriately. Have you used it with breathwork?

I've never used it with breathwork. I've only done a little bit of breathwork stuff before. I've only done like a little bit of breath work stuff before. I just have a – I think I have a difficult time like getting in deep into the breath work unless I'm in the cold. So I can feel like kind of psychedelic-like effects in the cold plunge with doing some breath work. But I haven't been able to tap into it as much, uh, with, I just don't, I don't like to like, I don't know. I don't like to like calm down that much. Like I, it's like, I am, uh, you know, I'm definitely full on dad and like dad mode a hundred percent, but like, I, I don't like sit in the recliner and like fall asleep. You know, like I just, my, my body doesn't, it doesn't want to do that.

It doesn't want to like. It probably plays a factor into, I think, that sickness side of it. You're probably sitting in that kind of more sympathetic side. Yeah, yeah. So you have a constant thread of adrenaline in your body, which they've shown is like a really strong, you know, wall. It's an immune system. It aids in the immune system.

I always get sick when I go on vacation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. J jocko was talking about that i don't know if you guys caught that at all but he was explaining that like i think he was with huberman i could be wrong like maybe i'm way a lot of times it's sleep deprivation too um so you know jocko's always you know thousand rpms non-stop and same thing he's, every time I go on vacation, that's when I get sick. So I'm pretty sure it was Huberman. What he was explaining was like, your stress level is always very high. Therefore, your body is like, we need to protect this guy. And then when that stress goes away, your immune system is like, cool, we could chill. And when you chill, that's when you get sick. So the example they gave is that the mother who husband

gets sick, got to take care of him. Oh, now the kids get sick, the example they gave is that the mother who husband gets sick got to take care of him oh now the kids get sick got to take care of them everyone's sick she's not and then everyone starts feeling better they all get through the sickness her stress level drops and then what happens she gets sick so she's always the last one to get sick because her stress level is always very high yeah so it's it's wild it's So that's why going in the cold plunge on a regular basis. Totally. The healthy stress. Yes.

You need to fill it in, whether it's like a really hard workout or cold plunges or like some things to create stress in your body when you're in the vacation, when you're in vacation mode. Yeah. Also, I'm like, I don't feel stressed. So it's really, really rare for me to like feel, I don't know, stress or anxiety. So I think I just have extra energy because I don't waste energy on really anything. I don't – like with business and stuff, I don't look at numbers. I just don't care. My wife actually sometimes, she'll bring stuff up to me and I'm just like, don't.

I don't care. It's the holy grail. It's like you want your body to be stressed out but not have it live here. It's like that's the ultimate. Stress is – that's hormesis. That's what you are wanting. That's why we work out. That's why you go for a run.

That's why you cold plunge. You're trying to stress your body out. It helps, but it's not great to be dead inside all the time. But, dude, what you're saying there is really interesting because like when you look at your life man like you came and you ran for it you ran eight miles this morning right and then you came you did a cold plunge for a few minutes and then you did a workout with us and now you're podcasting you're probably gonna do other shit today and when you say the phrase i don't feel stressed what is what you're saying is like you do not perceive because it's stress but you just don't perceive it negatively like all the things you're doing your your perception of that isn't a

negative perception is that right or yeah those are all things that i was really excited to do today yeah those are all and i kind of feel that way almost every day i mean just like anybody else there might be a couple things that pop into my day that I have to go do, like go to the DMV or something stupid like that. But yeah, for the most part. And even that, like I just, that kind of stuff, I'll just look at it as if it's like kind of comical. Like I'm going to walk in and I know I have an appointment, but. They're not going to have it. Yeah.

They're not going to have any record of it. I'm going to be screwed. I'm I have an appointment, but... They're not going to have it. Yeah, they're not going to have any record of it. I'm going to be screwed. I'm going to be behind like tons of people. And it's just going to be mayhem in there. And then when I walk in and see that, I'm just going to fucking laugh about it. Because I'll be like, yeah, I knew it. I know I was going to get fucked today. Yeah, I was just thinking because like, yeah, when we're talking about the stress of a workout,

stress of the cold plunge, stress of whatever. Like, if mark gets stuck in traffic when he has to be somewhere normally a normal person might be like cussing out the person in front of them honking or whatever mark's probably like cool i get to listen to this podcast you know like he doesn't that type of stress just bounces right off of him that's just mindset yeah it's just perspective what was that researcher who we were talking about one day where she like, she did the research on how people, certain people see stress as like this stress. Like you, when I,

when I do jujitsu, when you do running, you know that I'm going to have a benefit after I do this, right? When we do certain things that are stressed, like cold plunging, it may actually be physically stressful, but you know, on the other side of this, it's going to be beneficial. So we interpret that as being something good for us rather than something that's going to break us down. And that it takes time to constantly reinterpret, but that makes a huge difference. I heard a quote kind of recently and it, uh, it really made me like, maybe you just like rethink a lot of stuff. And the quote said, if you're so smart, why aren't you happy?

I was like, holy fuck, man. That's incredible. Like that was an incredible quote. Like people read a lot of books. They do a lot of thinking. They go to universities. They do a lot of school. They get as much education as they can.

And all those things are awesome but if they kind of aren't leading you to not that you have to chase happiness but if not leading you to have a net positive net happy life then maybe none of it's worth it totally Naval talks about that a lot Naval

might even be his quote but he talks about like you know he has a lot of quotes on twitter and then i think he's been on joe rogan before yeah he's a great you know philosopher yeah philosopher a great business individual too he created angels list um but he uh yeah that's his thing is like you know happiness like he speaks in the same way like if you're so intelligent like that is intelligence is actually, are you happy? What's the goal?

It reminds me of Andrew Yang. His actual goal was like health and happiness for people. Yeah. It's like outside of GDP. It's like, how do we measure society's health and happiness? Um, it's like,

I've just never heard that from a politician and that should be the goal. Right? Like, like you're saying, like everyone's so smart. What is your goal? And a lot of people by default have it be money or you're chasing the next thing. And what is the goal?

Well, health I think is like the foundation, right? Like if you don't have the health, you can't enjoy the wealth. If you don't have the health, You can't enjoy really much of anything. I'm always so impressed with people that are not healthy and they just have this like – like there are these anomalies to me that are like so happy. You know what I'm talking about? Like someone that's like – whoever it is, it's like they're maybe really obese or something, but they're just like so joyous. I'm like what is – what's that secret going on there?

Cause I, I very much like if I feel off health wise, like I'm just. That's such a rarity though. I'm such an asshole. Most people I come into or I'm like, this person's electric. Like they're usually like totally very fit. You know, it's usually like high cardio. Yep. Like, I mean, oh, you're a huge runner or cyclist.

It's like always something like that. It's very rare to find the overweight person. Totally. Do you guys think that – I'm just curious of your perception of this. Do you think that you do need – because maybe there's an aspect where I think about this. Maybe we're jaded since we're in fitness and we feel there's such a need for this. jaded since we're in fitness and we feel there's such a need for this to be as like, I, from what you said there too, I couldn't imagine like not having my physical habits that ties my mental habits to feel good. Right. But see, like the person you mentioned, right. That even though they're extremely out of shape or extremely unhealthy, they're still extremely happy.

Do you think you need to be, do you need to use your body physically to the, maybe the extent that we do or to a part of that to be happier? I don't think there's an absolute answer to that. I think from my experience, it is your odds are exponentially higher if you are moving your body, sweating sweating using that physical for aligning to have a mental to be mentally stable or meant to like be happy um so i think from my experience that's all i can speak from like yeah when i'm not being physically like moving and whether it's just long walks like and i'm whatever the movement is not as happy like there is this is a chemical erector set that's going on in here and it's just pulling the right lever so for me it's

it's been essential for me i think the body is designed like the body mind and spirit is designed to burn an equal amount of calories that it that it consumes so you have like your kind of like resting metabolic rate which means like just calories from doing nothing. But I think that literally you got to expend just in general probably about a thousand calories a day almost. I think it's ingrained into our DNA. I think it's like part of being human. I think locomotion is way undersold and it's just extremely helpful. Some sort of motion, like you can go and like lift and you can, I don't know, there's a lot of things you can do.

But I think they used to say that people used to move like five to seven miles a day and that might even be really modest. modest so you have like what what is the calorie expenditure associated with traveling in a pack with your family with a little bit of weight on your back maybe you're holding a child and you're you know going from one area to another uh you know just as we probably did hundreds and thousands of years ago there was there, there's always, there was so much, uh, like, especially here in America, there was so much like building and there was just so much shit going on that like, there was people working on the railroad, there was construction workers, there was, um, just people fucking riding horses to deliver mail. I mean, like the list of shit goes on and on of like the amount of activity that it took to bring this place to the spot that it's at now where we have the luxury of not expending those

calories but i think that i think that motion is ingrained in there somewhere and i think that's why when some people start to get in motion they get so obsessed with it it's it's like a psychedelic in there like it's totally it's it's in your fucking brain i've talked to some people that swim and then talking to some people that run and i don't know what the connection and fighting definitely falls in that category um there's problem solving going on and then there's also i have this weird idea that there's some sort of particular motion that your body needs to go through every day. And it has something to do with like your hands and feet being kind of far apart from each other, away from the midline of your body and your body twisting.

I've heard Joe Rogan kind of describing it. And I don't, he's just like talking really generally, but he's talking about like wringing out stress and anxiety. That's fucking running. It's like you're like wringing out stress and anxiety that's fucking running it's like you're you're literally wringing out your body like i was showing you guys with that continuous rope yeah you're pulling that rope like that spinal twisting that you're doing and david weck and all these people that are so enthusiastic about these kind of movement patterns i think that's why we're nuts about it i think that you have to feels good to run dog like yeah after i started running again because like you were – you started running.

I was like I got to bring running back into it. I've been doing jujitsu for years already. But getting my running gait back and that feeling, when you get your gait back and when you feel good running, it just feels so fucking good. Even if you're not running for fucking like 10 miles or whatever. I'll just do two-mile runs. But it feels so damn good. Even if you're not running for fucking like 10 miles or whatever. I'll just do two mile runs. But it feels so damn good afterwards, you know? Even during. You guys ever rock climb?

That would be incredible. It's such a unique, amazing feeling. You're talking about contorting your body. It's all about your form. It's using every single muscle in your body. You got the cardio when you're doing top rope. A little bit of danger.

A little bit of danger. You got the adrenaline going and you got your muscles and you get off and it's social. To me, it's the ultimate for me. It's hard. Like figuring out where to put your foot. Oh, dude, the form is, you could be totally skinny and short. It doesn't matter. If your form is immaculate like dude you're climbing

insane stuff it's wild with the geometry and the physics of what the body can do with just like strong grip yeah it's it's i love rock that shit's weird how uh how far up have you climbed and stuff i mostly just climb in gyms it's like you know yeah 30 40 feet up i suppose yeah yeah that to me is uh i mean i haven't done to that extent really i mean i have done it in a gym before but never done it like outside but just thinking of like times where i've done stuff like that where i probably shouldn't have because it wasn't very safe but just even thinking about like where do i put my foot next and then you see the guy in front of you. You're like, he put his foot there. I should be able to do that.

Then you put your foot there and your whole body starts to shake. And you're like, oh, shit. I don't know. I'm not sure about this. That's really interesting. I think it's similar to jiu-jitsu where it's the chest with the body and the mind. You're just so present and you're just locked in. You're done and you just feel amazing.

That would be another way for you to kill people is rock you need a high level of body control man you know the cool thing cool thing about jujitsu and rock climbing and running is that like when i when i bouldered a few years ago i went a few times you see so many people oh with griffin right so many different body types 80 year old seriously like men women completely split that's what i love about it and think about that too like i mean you can lift into old age too, but when I think of a lot of these things nowadays, I think about what are the different types of movements your body's doing. And one of the reasons why I like, I want people to do so jujitsu so much is because there's so much variability, so many different body types you're rolling with, but rock climbing,

now that you mentioned it, all these different ways you're grabbing and putting your feet in different places you gotta imagine as you get older that is a super healthy practice like to be able to do you know i gotta get back into it fuck let's do it i'm glad you glad you reminded me what about sleep you guys have decent sleep habits they suck suck. Where do you guys stand with that? I sleep really well. I, yeah, sleep has been my, like, I was the kid. We'd go to parties when I was young, sleepovers, and I'd go to sleep first. So sleep's like,

that's a dream for me. You've been locked in since you were a kid, huh? Yeah. I'm in bed by 8.30. Yeah, me too. Same here. Yeah. Eating early is I eat by like 5, 530

that's what I should be doing that's the key I think yeah CBD helps those are the big ones CBD and THC yeah

there we go okay one second you said so we were taking the cured stuff it's a different

cannabinoid they have like CBN in there CBN is in there it's a really nice one CBN what's the company what company it's a different uh cannabinoid they have like cbn in there cbn is in there it's a really nice one cbn cbn what's the company what's it called cured cured cured is the company they have a nightcap that's tremendous they're incredible um really best i've had for like sleep from like a cbd side and there is some level like you know cbd it has to have point less than 0.03 percent of thc in it so there is like trace thc in it um you know for it not to be labeled with thc i don't utilize thc very like hardly ever um but yeah it's a nice especially if i've had like a

night or two that wasn't optimal and i need that sleep like i will take one of those and just have incredible dreams and sleep through the night do you guys use like a chili pad or like an eight sleep eight sleep those are the that's that's the biggest like game like thing you could buy yeah total game changer because you just get hot in the middle of the night otherwise right dude i'm a hot sleeper i used to like fucking wet the bed with my sweat it was somewhat embarrassing at times that's the worst it is not fun it is not fun at all you wake up you're like holy fuck i was hot underneath those blankets yeah you can't sleep how come you can't sleep without a blanket i mean you kind of can but it's kind of hard well it's weird right like the blankies like Did we always have blankets back in the day? They didn't have blankets.

The cavemen? Y'all sleep with clothes on? Or nakey-nakey? Maybe. Boxers. Boxers. I like a little home for the boys. I agree.

It's a little too... Can't be too free. I go shorts, no boxers. You go shorts and boxers? Shorts, no boxers. Shorts, no... Yeah. Okay.

Let them kind of roll around. Yeah. You guys are big mouth tape guys too, no boxers. Shorts, no. Yeah. Okay. Oh, hey. Let them kind of roll around. Yeah. You guys are big mouth tape guys too, right? Yeah. Yeah, we got some hostage tape for you guys right here. Awesome. Thanks, brother. We're giving it to everybody that comes.

Dog. Bang. I know we were talking to a few other ones over here. Oh, these are eye masks. There's nothing in here. Oh, no. Well, because it's right here. Yeah, man. These are just tv props does this take you guys a while to get used to because i did the somniflex for a couple nights and it was like

i was having weird dreams about it all right so tell me so do you feel uncomfortable when you tape your mouth shut at night like does it make yeah like my mouth naturally kind of wants to be open like based on my bite so i feel like the mouth tape for me is a little tough. But maybe I just need to do like a week straight and get over a hump with it. You're definitely not wrong. The jaw does relax when you fall asleep. And it's supposed to. It's supposed to relax.

But having your lips kind of glued together or taped together in this case is going to still allow that jaw to relax. Like your whole face will still relax into your sleep. But the mouth tape is really easy to use. You just kind of pull it apart here and then you just kind of stick it on the lips. And it's just enough to keep the lips together. Both of you guys have facial hair. So sometimes with some of the other products that we've used in the past, we've had issues and SEMA had to kind of like tape himself up like a crazy person. Yeah, it's like kind of hard to get it to stay on there. But we've noticed a big difference with these.

So we think you guys will really like it a lot. I'm going to give it a whirl. Just give it a few nights. I know we were talking. Give it just – even though it feels uncomfortable, give it a few nights because like if your mouth can just stay closed dog you sleep well now you'll sleep i do the i do the nose the uh breathe right yeah that's smart to do yeah you guys do those too yeah i do i got big ass nostrils so i don't necessarily need it but

i do notice that i breathe a little better when i have it on yeah you love it yeah i haven't used those in a while but maybe you don't need it after you're taping along enough like maybe you don't even need it right it'd probably be a good idea for me especially when i'm running because i'll talk about in his book breathe like once you're breathing through your nose enough like stuff just keeps opening up yeah yeah that's what like i was telling uh ryan that when i started mouth taping like three or four years ago what i noticed is like the nights that I would forget to use it, sleep quality wouldn't be as good, right? But after, first off, I got in the habit of using it,

so I never forgot to use it. If there was a random night that I would forget, I'd notice I'd woke up, I'd wake up in the morning, but my mouth wasn't dry because now I'm perpetually breathing through my nose when I sleep. I don't have that habit of having my mouth drop open. Now, I'll still fucking use mouth tape just because it's like, I'm,

it's another security to make sure my mouth doesn't fall open, but I'm used to it now. Like I nasal breathe when I sleep now, which is dope. And you adapted immediately. No, no. It took you a little while to,

to, to, I'm saying when you, oh, it's a mouth tape. Oh, I would you mouth tape first night you were sleeping good with it. Yeah.

For me, it didn't give me anxiety. I know there are some people, like my girl, it makes her feel closed off and stuff. But for me, it didn't give me any anxiety. So I slept well. But for some people, I think they just need

to use it a little more. Use it during the day at some point. Maybe before bed, if you're going to watch a show or something, just throw it on just so that way you can understand that you're not going to die by wearing a little bit of mouth tape. Do you mouth breathe at all during the day? I do.

You do? Yeah. I mean when I'm like intentionally, like I try and bring my thoughts back to it and go focus on my nose. But yeah, I mean I'll tend to kind of mouth breathe yeah yeah actually keep keep it on a lot of times like in the morning because i'm the only one awake and i'm like i might as well just keep it on i'll go on the cold plunge with it on so now it makes it a little harder i gotta try to breathe try to breathe just in and out of the nose. Obviously, if there's someone awake,

then I feel like I got to talk to them. Anyway, I think you guys are going to notice a big difference with it. It does take a little while and it might end up sideways on your face and you might have to mess with it here and there, but

over time, you're not going to want to sleep without it. Awesome. Sick. Andrew, take us on out of here, buddy. Sure thing. Make sure you guys stick around for Smelly's tip before we get out of here. Don't want to miss that. But let us know what you guys think about today's conversation.

Drop all those comments down below. Let us know what you guys think about cold plunging, if you guys have done it. Make sure you guys check out the links in the description, because that way you can go check out the cold plunge for yourself. And subscribe if you guys are not subscribed, subscribing hit the like button on the way out follow the podcast at mb power project on instagram tiktok and twitter my instagram tiktok and twitter is at i am andrew z and sema where you at and tell them about power project dot live i will but i forgot to bring this up because you guys are make you're gonna be making uh what is it

again snorkel snorkel okay so you said that you actually cold plunge like in that style every morning right yeah yeah every morning i take a few deep breaths and then pop in the snorkel got a little nose plug and we actually have two different tips for the snorkel so it's like eight millimeter which is like the pro smaller smaller one then there's a 10 kind of starter or you just do none and you just gotta snorkel yeah um i turn off the plunge so it's quiet so there's no pump going i'm at like 50 degrees because my head's in and you want to be a little if you're normally plunging at like 40 or something i would recommend going up to like 45 if you're gonna do a full like snorkel three minutes can give you a headache right give you a headache and then just work down from there. If you're good, you're good. But

I go in and really just try to take really big breaths and breathe out slow. And I just try to slow my breathing down throughout it. And at the end, I mean, my breaths must be 10, 15 seconds long and I'm holding my breath like you do. You hold your breath for a while and slowly let it out. And it becomes so meditativeitative and like i saw you in there today with a straw you were just so zen at a certain point at the end your breaths got really slow you could have stayed in for much longer i can tell yeah you get to a point where you're not cold then you're just chilling and you're just you're just focusing on your breath in and out. It's so meditative and peaceful and I just look forward to it.

And it's, it's cool. I'm excited to sell a snorkel and see, you know, who enjoys it. I'm very excited for that because doing it with a straw, if you do it wrong, you're like,

I got a little bit of water in my mouth today because it slipped out. But it's interesting because it is a slightly different cold plunge experience. It's a little bit, it's a little bit deeper. Check it out, guys. At and see me on Instagram and YouTube. At and see me on TikTok and Twitter. Go to our website, powerproucher.live for all our shit. Ryan, Mike,

where can people find you guys? Instagram, at Ryan A. Dewey. I also have a podcast, The Journey. Spotify, check it out. Yeah, those are the main two spots. And find us at thecoldplunge.com. It's thecoldplunge.com. Hit us up.

All right. I forgot to mention on Joe Rogan, he had David Goggins on. And I think they were talking about the cold plunge. And he mentioned Hicks and Gracie goes in there and dunks his head and all that kind of stuff. You mentioned that there was a guy that fixed his PSA, I think, which has sometimes negative association to your prostate. And the guy did cold plunging for like three minutes every morning and seemed to have not only altered that, but also I think he increased his testosterone levels. So again, this is like a one of one. This is a guy that just went out of his way to do it but if you listen to that episode

you can find some of that information. I just think it's really interesting. Who the hell knows? We had a guy at Reboot who had an unlimited membership to cryo and he had a prostate issue and go to his doctor. He did cryo every day and he went to his doctor over and over and it went away.

Didn't have a prostate issue because it's connected to inflammation completely. But yeah, testosterone is a big one too. Freeze that up. Sorry, I know we're trying to get out of here, but have you guys noticed anyone reporting a libido boost after getting in and out of the cold plunge on a regular basis? Because I

definitely can feel that. I don't know what it is, but I get out of the shower and I'm chasing my wife that. I don't know what it is, but I get out of the shower and I'm chasing my wife down. It gets smaller. I don't know what it is. I've heard it. I've heard that. Okay, yeah.

It's a bounce back. Yeah, something's going on there. It could be. Yeah, it takes that momentum and just fucking runs with it. All right, cool. Awesome, guys. Thanks for having us on. It was fun.

The smelly tip for today is about accommodating resistance. I made a post about it on my Instagram, which is at MarkSmellyBell. I talked about utilizing bands and chains. The weights are lighter at the bottom. They're heavier at the top. The same exact thing occurs when you utilize something like the slingshot. I want to encourage people to look into some elbow sleeves, knee sleeves, things like the slingshot, obviously, because I sell those things and I'm a money hungry motherfucker, right? But these things can really be super beneficial for you because there's a lot of wear and tear that happens when you're training.

And if you train smart and you can select exercises appropriately, you can utilize a little bit of equipment, maybe it's some bands, maybe it's some chains, maybe it's a slingshot, you can utilize a little bit of equipment maybe it's some bands, maybe it's some chains maybe it's a slingshot you can still train hard you can still train heavy and you can still be in pursuit of the things that you love strength is never weakness, weakness is never strength

catch you guys later, bye peace