Mark Bell's Power Project - Why Visceral Fat Is More Dangerous Than You Think - Dr. Sean O’Mara || MBPP Ep. 1078

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

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No medical school in America is teaching visceral fat. 6,000 people, we tracked every chronic disease that they had. Every one of them either got substantially better or completely reversed once they got rid of their visceral fat. This guy was a distance runner. He had a sizable amount of visceral fat.

In two months, he substitutes sprinting. And then look at the dramatic elimination of this visceral fat. This guy has MS in nine months. Look at the change in his face. His MS symptoms are now basically in remission. Why go to the gym if you're not going to improve? And what we found is the ability to induce muscle protein synthesis hypertrophy wanes in proportion to visceral fat. One client, 64 years old, infertile, got rid of his visceral fat, called me up,

and he said, you're not gonna believe it, doc, got my wife pregnant. So the fountain of youth really is getting rid of this visceral fat. The thing that we found is like, we can get guys when they get rid, like these are guys in their 50s and 60s, they'll have ED with all that visceral fat.

And they get rid of their visceral fat and they get their rectal functioning back, which is great. I like the sign that you have going on over here with the arm. But it's for a point because the other thing that happens. Just try to stay close to the microphone. When you get rid of visceral fat, you get a bounce. So when you were 15, Mark Bowell 15, your boner bounced like this. You get a little bounce out of it.

Yeah, man. And so my clients, they get a teeny bounce and then it gets bigger and bigger. So that is something nobody else is getting. You get rid of that visceral fat and you open up the arteries and you get every heartbeat, you get this massive bounce. Now it starts out really weak and it just continues to grow. So that's cool content. I don't know, it might be a little edgy for your show.

I don't know. That's not edgy enough, trust me. Perfect. You can get edgier if you want to. Well, we can get in, we can get into it. At 15, there's so much blood in there that you think the whole thing's gonna explode. It's true, but-

I know one guy who actually ran to his mother one time with that. Oh my God. I wasn't 15, I was 11. Or 10. I didn't know what a boner was. She had to tell me. Oh god, that's awesome. That sounds real weird, dawg.

Context, I was scared. That's awesome. That's awesome. Everybody back up. I was 10. That's a great story. I was 10. That's a great story. I'm just gonna let anybody back up. I was 10. That's a great story. I was getting lower now.

All right. Visceral or fat? How did you get into all this? Did you discover it or somebody else discover it? What's going on with visceral fat? Yeah. So it goes back to really about 2013. and even before that, I was just an overweight, heavy fat doctor with a lot of medical problems

and like ED, large prostate, eczema all over my body. I had gastroesophageal reflex, a heartburn. I was on three different acid suppressive medications. And I was having to get scoped with a big fiber, I have to scope every three months for cancer surveillance. So I had a diagnosis of what was called Barrett's esophagus. So it's not just a little casual heartburn. I had metaplastic changes inside the cells

of my esophagus that were precancerous. So every three months I had to have the scope to see if I had converted to cancer. And then they would start chemo, radiation or some kind of cancer there. So I was like, dang, you know, living my life in my 30s for when eventually I'm gonna get esophageal cancer, which has a high mortality. And I also had a high blood pressure.

I had clogged arteries, restless leg syndrome and obstructive sleep apnea, terrible back pain, debilitating back pain. So I was falling apart. How much did you weigh at that time? Did you- You know, I wasn't, you know, obese. I was probably about 170, 168.

One of my photographs right there, actually, there on the left, I was 165. And- So you're not super heavy. Nope. Nope. You'd look at me, but if I, you know, if I was on the beach, you'd just say, dad bod, not a beast guy. But there I am filled with all those medical conditions.

And I meet this young guy, 17 years old in the hospital gym. He looked, I thought he was like 24 or so, and he was busting out a great workout. He was doing a good job. And another big, huge body building, he said, that's an impressive amount of weight you're lifting. You'd live for one university, he's around here. He goes, no, I don't go to school anymore.

I just work. And he goes, what do you do? And he goes, I do executive health. So I got interested in this guy and he said, well, if you want to lose that gut of yours, I'm like, what do I gotta do to look like you? And he goes, you gotta cut out carbs and start eating fermented foods. So this is like 2009. So it was paleo. I didn't know anything about paleo. He told me that word and the fermented foods. So keto what I think happened to me,

unlike what happens to a lot of other people that tried paleo and keto were these fermented foods. So I start on these fermented foods, I hated them. I was like, I gotta get rid of all these medical problems. And well, actually I did it to get rid of my weight. I didn't, that kid didn't tell me, I call him a kid. He goes, he just said, get rid of your dad by that gut, you know, eat these fermented foods and cut out,

you know, processed foods and carbohydrates. So I did. And one year later, I wasn't even expecting this. I'm peeing in my toilet and normally it would dribble. I mean, you gotta know what it's like to be a man and have pee dribbling out of your body. I mean, it's so demasculating. Yeah, that sounds.

It dribbles and I'd wet my pant. I'm freaking 48, I'm wetting my pants, walking away like some kind of great grandpa and I'm waking up four or five times a night to pee. So I was really ticked off, but I wasn't expecting anything to really turn around other than maybe I would lose this big, big gut that I had. But one year that thing, you know, your disease comes on so slow, Mark, that you don't really

pay attention. You don't see that your life has fallen apart, that you're accumulating all these kinds of conditions. And the opposite happens. If you start getting better, you may not see improvement. It's slow, it comes on slow as well. So there I am, one year later, I'm now peeing in the toilet like I used to

when I was like a teenager. I'm making noise again. I'm now peeing in the toilet like they used to when I was like a teenager I'm making noise again. I'm making bowls. I mean it's it's it's awesome And so I recognize I wasn't waking up anymore to pee four or five times a night and Now I jokingly tell my clients and people I can pee over the hood of a car And when I go into a public bathroom, did you start to clean the bath that you know? Yeah, yeah power so much fun that power so I Go into and I use a public bathroom. I do not use urinal. I go into a toilet Purposely create Niagara Falls And I see these older guys looking. They do.

It's like, you know, it's like weird, you know, public subway stuff. They're looking like, who the heck is that? And they see this gray haired guy walking out. And it's this kind of look of like, damn. Like he must have played that on his phone. But you know, they're like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

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I was an arrogant ER doctor. And I just assumed everything that they taught us in medical school was correct. If it wasn't taught in medical school, it wasn't worth a darn. So basically they teach you, if somebody comes to you and they ask you about something that you'd never heard about in medical school,

it's just not true. Just be nice to them. And so that was my mentality. But my experience was I cut out these processed carbs. I started eating this fermented food. Every medical problem goes away. I'm like, I have to become a researcher and figure out, cause my whole life changed.

You know, I didn't just shred some weight. I mean, I'm telling you, I, every medical problem I had went away. So I meet this, this Chinese American doctor, Dr. Zhang, and he said, oh, I'll not tell you, it's physical fat. You gotta come get scanned. So I'm like, okay. So he scanned me and I, scanned me and I was so much better

but I'm like in this scanner mark and he had a tech who was also Chinese. And when I was being pulled out of that scanner, I said, God, I'm gonna be so upset if I got this damn visceral fat. I don't know what I'm gonna be so upset after doing all this stuff. And the tech looked down and he goes, he says, I don't know why. I'm gonna be so upset after doing all this stuff. And the tech looked down and he goes,

he says, I don't know who you are, but you are obscenely healthy. And so they showed my skin, I had like very little visceral fat. And so that's how I got started. And we studied it for the next seven years. Dr. Zheng and I invited me to his medical, his research practice.

We got a grant from the National Science Foundation back in 2015, and we were funded $1.2 million. And we scanned 6,000 Americans studying one at a time. What happens with visceral fat? What do you gotta do? We looked at sprinting, we looked at a time, what happens with visceral fat? What do you got to do? You know, we looked at sprinting, we looked at jogging, we looked at different foods, we looked at lifestyle, we looked at alcohol.

It was just so interesting to do that. And so we did that for seven years and we learned, we became the experts at how to get rid of visceral fat. And we decided, you know, the National Science Foundation, you know, it's a government, you know, funded organization, very interesting. They are legit Americans, they're really scientists

that they're like, we wanna give this money to people that have good ideas, but there's one other condition to it. You can't just have a good idea. You gotta be able to make money off this. Cause if you don't make money, your good idea is going nowhere. So that's where we sucked.

We were doctors, we didn't know how to make money. We were giving these scans away for free. And we didn't know how to charge and model it in a way to make money. So COVID came along, we'd gone through all our bank accounts, we couldn't afford to pay for our employees and the scanner. So it just got all shut down. Super sad. We weren't in central business practice. And so I retooled and now I figured out a model to how to optimize human beings and make money off of it. And now I want to spread it, spread the insights and strategies to other physicians.

And you don't even have to be a physician. You just have to be a human being that wants to help people out because everything we found out to improve and reduce visceral fat doesn't need prescription drugs, doesn't need medical procedures, it's all lifestyle. So health coaches, personal trainers, just awesome men and women that wanna help out other people can do these things and you can make money off of it and people will pay.

And my experience, people will pay money to improve their health because right now they're paying a lot of money and they're falling apart. And we got to change the insurance model where people pay for insurance that just breeds disease. And I'd love to see a disruptive model when it comes to health insurance that rewards the insureds for improving their lifestyle.

And- You get penalized here in California if you don't have life insurance. If you don't have like medical insurance. Health insurance, yeah. Yeah, health insurance rather, yeah. Yep, just paid. So, health insurance rather. Yeah. Yep.

Just paid. So taxed on that. Like, and it's pretty hefty. So there's all sorts of innovative models and ways of, of doing it. But yeah, we need to, the largest part of the economy is healthcare. It dwarfs commerce, dwarfs the internet, dwarfs oil, dwarfs energy. The very top of the food chain is healthcare.

And 90% or more is wasted on preventable disease, chronic disease, which is the largest problem facing humanity. And nobody talks about it. Nothing impairs the quality of lives more. Nothing reduces productivity of employees more. Nothing costs us more money and nothing kills more people than chronic disease.

And when was the last time you ever thought about it? Nobody's talking about it. And it's gonna be our demise. Our country is gonna go down because we are out spending money on chronic disease larger than our GDP is going up. So we are medically bankrupt. We're done unless somebody disrupts this.

Somebody like maybe an Elon Musk comes in here and says, yeah, this gotta go. We're gonna make money off getting people better. And so making money off people getting worse. And Elon, somebody disruptive like that could be a Jeff Bezos, maybe RFK. You know, he's a politician, but it's gotta be somebody that wants to build greatness and they have to,

it has to make money. If it doesn't make money, charity does, charity is a nice thing, but charity is not gonna get the job done. It's gotta be something that people can get behind that rewards the innovators. Let's gotta be something that people can get behind that rewards the innovators. Let's talk about this a little deeper for just a second

before we kind of like dive into a little bit more about visceral fat and we pull up some slides and stuff. Most people, like there's some people and not a lot of people, there's some people that actually go to the doctor before they have something wrong with them. But even if you're somebody that cares and somebody that's trying to go to the doctor,

the visit that you're gonna have probably isn't gonna really lead you to a whole lot of answers. I suppose they might, your doctor may possibly advocate for some blood work. They're probably gonna check, I guess, your blood pressure. I mean, what does a doctor usually do when someone goes in for just kind of a, quote unquote,

routine visit, which again, no one actually really does those, but some people that do, even when you're seeking it out, at best you might walk away with another appointment after you have some blood work, and then the next appointment will be about you getting on this, you know, lipid lowering pharmaceutical, right? Yeah, no, you sum it up pretty nice.

I think that's the experience of most people. What I would add to that is the important question is, how's that working out for you? How does that particular model, and what's so different about you that you think you're gonna be any different following that model than your parents and everybody else that has done that.

And what happened to them? They all got worse. They all get worse. Their bags of medicine get bigger. Their quality of life goes down. This is a broken system. And why is everybody following it? You have to be like you just did. You gotta question why is everybody following it? You have to be like you just did.

You gotta question why is that going on? And you should be going and say, excuse me, madam doctor, Mr. Doctor, you work for me. I'm your boss. I want you to not take my money and profit from me. I want you to not take my money and profit from me. I want you to improve my life. Tell me what I gotta do. But doctors aren't trained that way.

Doctors are very frustrated. We're just like everybody else. We're making money off the system, but we get frustrated that patients are falling apart. But I couldn't look to my physician colleagues to improve, I was falling apart. I just kind of was like in a tide of water, like a rip tide slowly taking me out

into the ocean to drown. And, but yeah, we need a disruptive model that says, you know, this system is set up to actually improve you. We're gonna give you the metrics and it's not cholesterol. I am so sick of talking about cholesterol and lipids. All these, every doctor has it, Dr. Peter T.S. Smart is way smarter than me, but they're so, everybody has a different interpretation.

APO-B is really bad, APO-B is not bad. All this different perspective. Let me just say, who do you know that has optimized their cholesterol and all the lipids that, you know, you can study and you can find some kind of association that when you go and optimize it, that they ever get better. I personally, I'll just come out and say it, my reputation.

I think it's an enormous distraction. I think I would an enormous distraction. I think I would tell RFK, day one executive order, no doctor is to talk about cholesterol again. Stop talking about it because nobody improves their lives. There's just an enormous profit behind it. And what we should be talking about things that really improve people and really looking at those more those metrics from a sensible perspective,

you track them until people's disease, disease that they have inside their body goes away, not just suppressing their symptoms or profiting from them, but literally like in my experience in that one year and what I've found since I've been working now for 13 years in trying to eradicate visceral fat, how much people improve. So I'd immediately educate people about visceral fat

and to kind of sum up the problem, it's no medical school in America is teaching visceral fat. It's not part of the medical curriculum. Every medical school around the world follows the curriculum of American medical schools and it's not taught anywhere around the world. And we would stamp out, we'd slay the giant, chronic disease.

If we just educated people about visceral fat, how to get rid of it, how to track it, their disease process went away. 6,000 people, we tracked every chronic disease that they had. Every one of them either got substantially better or completely reversed and they didn't need medicines once they got rid of their visceral fat. How many exceptions to that?

None. So as far as- None. As far as visceral fat's concerned then, because I think a lot of people generally focus on their body fat, how it looks visually, right? What's the difference when you start focusing on visceral fat versus just focusing on lowering your general body fat, how it looks visually, right? What's the difference when you start focusing on visceral fat versus just focusing on lowering your general body fat percentage?

Yeah, so that's a great question. So the other way to answer that is you cannot tell visceral fat from the outside. I think our ancestors actually could. One of the ways I can infer it is like inflammation in the face. So if you look at that photograph on the left there, that face is inflamed.

The photograph on the right, 11 years later, the face is less inflamed and it's got a certain shape. Now what happened also during that time to my body is I lost my dad bod where my belly was sticking out anteriorly protruding and my abdomen got flat. And so one of the ways you can comment for visceral fat is how the muscles are attached to the frame and the inflammation they're present in the face. So I think our ancestors were pretty good at detecting change, but today we can't. So this is another example of a face that this is Sinead O'Connor. So she's in her

20s, she's got low amount of visceral fat. Now this is Sinead post menopause. So she wants once if you're, if ladies, you listening, once you hit menopause, you start accelerating the production of visceral fat, starts accumulating inside of you. And as a result of that, it shows in your face. And then you also get that little domino pooch. Now, us males, we like to make all sorts of excuses

for things and women like to do it too with that they're adamant pushing out. And they like to say all sorts of excuses for things and women like to do it too with their abdomen pushing out and they like to say it's childbirth. But there are many cases of women with incredibly flat, very attractive abdomens and attractive faces, even though they've had multiple rounds of births that don't accumulate that. And here's another individual.

This guy has MS. He's given me his permission to talk about it. He came to me. We did not study anybody with MS for the National Science Foundation. And so he called me up and said, what about MS? Can you help? I said, I don't know, we never studied it.

And so in nine months, look at the change in his face and look at his nose. So this is very interesting. The nose appears to have significance. If you track anybody that drops- Looks like he could breathe better. Yeah, he could do a lot of things better. But the nose, I've noticed people that drop dead

suddenly of heart attacks, you go back and they're photographs like famous people, because you can get their photographs. So I data mine this, right? Somebody who's famous, I can get their photograph when they drop dead and their photograph and they're younger, and I can see these changes. So they're in lost a sizeable amount of visceral fat during this time and his MS symptoms are now basically in remission. he has significantly less visceral fat and his MS symptoms have improved and their lesions

on his MRI scans are reversing. So his neurologist can't explain it, but they say, just keep doing what you're doing. And since therians come, I've got two other patients with MS, all their symptoms are reversing as well. And they're losing substantial amount of Israel fat and they're going to, and here's Joe Rogan. You know, look at Joe's when he's,

I think he's in his twenties here. And I don't know how old Joe is. I think he's in his fifties, but look at the dramatic change from here to here. And it doesn't have, so here's a term I just literally came up with today. So this is not aging, you see? People think this is what you look like when you age.

Why? Because that's what happens to everybody else. This is, here's my new term, it's diseaseing. This is accumulation of disease, undetected, going on inside your body, visceral fat. And so Joe has no idea. But how do we know? How do we know this?

And like, cause I mean, I know like with certain patients especially those like, obviously you see it in the face and you can see it in their body, but he's relatively, I mean, as far as you can see physically fit in the body. And yeah, relatively, I mean, as far as you can see, physically fit in the body. And yeah, the face is a little bit bigger, but how do we know that some people's faces don't just stay thin, even though they're healthy?

Reasonable question. Well, when I see a face like this and we've scanned them, two things. They have this real fat and they also have a bulging, or we'll put it more scientifically an increased sagittal abdominal diameter, the SAD sagittal abdominal diameter. So in the sagittal plane, the width between the belly button, the umbilicus anterior surface of the abdomen to the posterior back, the back or the anterior surface of the vertebral

body, if you really want to get scientific has increased. And maybe Eric, we can pull up an MRI and we can just show an example of Andrew. Oh, Andrew is on control. Sorry. No problem. You're learning new names and you're controlling the podcast. There's one right here. So let's, okay, good. This is outstanding. So the down low diameter. So in this image right down here, this is the vertebral body. The distance from here, which is the belly button. See that air, guys? And this

is the vertebral body. Now this happens to be Sean Kelly, Sean Michael Kelly from Digital Social Out. He's the first podcast in the history of humanity went out and got an MRI scan. So shout out to Sean. All that white stuff in there, that is visceral fat. That white stuff, and he's only 27. So, but if you can see the bulge going on, Sean is laying down what you want is a flat abdomen.

So this is my scan. So this is me, this is one of my first scans and my abdomen is flat and Sean's is bulging out because of that visceral fat displacing. So in the case of Joe Rogan, Joe's got anterior displacement of his sagittal plane. His measurement is thicker than when he was photographed on the left.

And I would bet the family farm that Joe is loaded with visceral fat inside, much worse than Shawn Michael Kelly. So these are the muscles. My muscles are quite big, these that I have, and Shawn's muscles are smaller on the side. And look at the erectus spinae muscles. See these muscles in your back when you lay down

on a, you go into an MRI scanner. Do you see the white now infiltrating? That's infiltrating fat, human marbling in this 27 year old's back. And so this is why you end up when you're older, you have a crooked back and you're bent over and because the muscles start getting replaced, it's inflammatory fat.

And you see my muscles are nice and I'm in my 50s. So I'm almost double as age, but having gotten rid of my visceral fat, you get rid of the myosteatosis fat and the muscles, they perform better. And the other interesting thing is you see this very important guys, just see this black line in here.

And this is Sean. This is Sean Michael Kelly. These are the love handles, okay. By way of orientation, he's laying in his back. That's his belly button point to the top of the ceiling. These are his back muscles. And then these are love handles. So if Sean's walking down the beach,

you could see he's got a collection of tissue and everybody knows love handles, but this is Sean's by MRI Now that black line in there that's called scarapas fascia. It's a membrane that separates these two compartments Here's what your doctor doesn't know has never told you That one compartment here is called deep subcu fat deep subcutaneous fat this one right here Superficial subcutaneous fat. All right, you ready to get disrupted everybody? Your bodybuilders looking so shredded,

you're losing your superficial subcutaneous fat. Now I want you to write this word down, adiponectin. This is why you listen to Mark. Adiponectin, A-D-I-P-O-N-E-C-T-I-N. That's a word that big pharma doesn't want you to know about. That word you get excited about in your research is going to eradicate disease in your body, just like visceral fat.

So visceral fat is bad, adiponectin is good. So I call it the four horsemen, the black-hatted horsemen, they have black cats, one of them is visceral fat. The second one is human marbling, visceral fat infiltrating the muscles. The third one is deep subcutaneous fat. Why are they all bad? Because they have guns that shoot inflammatory molecules.

And it's not the horsemen, it's their guns. Constantly shooting these little tiny micro bullets all day long that gradually wear your body out and it's called disease. That's why Joe Rogan's face is so inflamed and Joe's not the man he used to be when he was in his twenties and you accumulate medical problems because of all that inflammation going on.

So that deep subcutaneous fat is super bad and this one super good because superficial subcutaneous fat, had a panectin, that's where it comes from. And so if you're shredding your body and you're walking around and you got a six pack, you don't have this protective layer. I don't have it here.

I have very little superficial subcutaneous fat. So here's what I say. If you really wanna be optimally healthy, you wanna have a big ass six pack, you wanna have them. You just don't wanna see them except on an MRI. You want a thin layer of this superficial fat covered in NOB. And, you know, it's not like you're gonna die

if you don't have a superficial subcutaneous fat, but you lose the benefit it provides through adiponectin, which reduces mortality from heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, cancer, and even obesity. Is this similar to brown fat? It's similar in regard to the fact that it's healthy. Brown fat is brown and it's because of the increased mitochondria that has.

This doesn't have an increased mitochondria, but it has adiponectin. Brown fat has a tiny bit of adiponectin, but this powerhouse. So this is why women live long enough, guys. Women don't have heart attacks in their 20s and 30s. I'm an ER doctor. I've had patients come in in their 20s,

males having heart attacks. I've lost patients in their 30s from heart attacks. I don't have females having heart attacks in their 40s, 20s, 30s and 40s because they don't have as much visceral fat and they also have more adiponectin. So women have more sub-key fat and it protects them. Us fellas, we're working to get rid of our subcutaneous fat,

a lot of bodybuilders are, and that's really unfortunate. So there's, yeah, Joe Rogan. So here's what I would say. Joe's, now, depending, he's pretty inflamed here, but back then, if you did MRI scan and you measured his abdominal diameter, he will have more abdominal diameter when he was younger with less visceral fat

than when he's older. But I mean, compared to a 52 year old, that's pretty damn good, I would assume. Yeah, yeah, he's better than most. I mean, he's gonna have more muscle, but it's not just muscle. You gotta look at the ratio, what's going on in that muscle. So here's what we'd see,

more marbleization here and less there. Is there a couple of potential things going on, Joe Rogan aside, but I'll just kind of speak for myself. I've utilized performance enhancing drugs and I've now am I in like a TRT dosage or whatever. And testosterone clearly changes people's facial structure and it might be doing some of these damaging things to the body as well, I'm not really aware.

Have you been able to kind of study any of that or have you not? Yeah, it's a great question. Someone's face changes drastically. Guys test their face. Sometimes it will just flat out get bloated, right? Sometimes it'll get big, but someone's facial features over time changes as well. Christian Guzman is an example. Obviously, faces change, period.

As you get a little older, there's so many different reasons why it might happen, but when somebody uses steroids, in particular, when men use steroids, something kind of happens like the nose and some of the structure. At least it looks that way. And it's super obvious in women, right? Like that's very obvious. There you go. That's an even better point. So one of my clients that came to me

was a very wealthy guy owned a lot of companies and he was filled with this real fat inside. As it turns out, he took a lot of TRT. He was taking testosterone and he had a very inflamed face. This is a very interesting, weird story. This guy comes into my practice and if you haven't figured out already, Sean O'Meara loves talking this stuff.

This is my passion, right? This is my jam. This guy walks into my practice, he's got this face, it's just like Mark was talking about. It's got a flame, he's got this big nose. Bring up some good old faces of mine. All right.

So like world record fat faces. I don't have this client's face. I don't have his permission to show his face, but boy, when he walked in, I couldn't talk about it. I couldn't talk to him. I was stuttering and I'm like, God, why am I stuttering? So I'm having this like private conversation. I'm very analytical.

I'll just come out and say, I've got a touch of Asperger's probably more than a touch. My wife would say. And so've got a touch of Asperger's, probably more than a touch, my wife would say. And so I analyze a lot of stuff. And so I'm analyzing why I'm so scared, you know, talking to this guy, I'm stuttering. And I realized, I'm afraid that this guy could literally drop in front of me and have a heart attack. He looked at disease.

Could see his blood pressure. So he's just happy and having a great time. And I show him good scans and bad scans, what a good scan looks like, very little visceral fat, what a bad scan looks like. And when I open up his scan, this guy standing up, just kind of like a standup desk, just like this. And I show him his scan, he goes,

he turns green like a brand new second lieutenant from the officers, just got an officer's course and smoking their first cigar, the men's officers mess. Then he turned, three seconds later, he's turned gray. And now I'm like captivated. I'm looking at this dude's face. I'm like, I can't even talk about his MRI scan because this guy's a human chameleon.

And then he turned ischemic white, the color of somebody who's either slipped right in a chameleon and then he turned ischemic white, the color of somebody who's either slipped right into VTAC in front of me or an exsanguining gunshot wound where they're gonna die. And so, yeah, he had a face a little bit like that dude there on the left and so he literally, when he literally turned that pale white, he just passed out.

I hear that picture breathing. Yeah. It's kind of snoring a little bit. Snorting and breathing. Yeah. So faces, you know, I look, I go by Mall America. I live in Minneapolis. And I walk through the Mall of America,

and I'm doing micro calculations, instantaneous calculations of people based on my experience, how much visceral fat they have in their faces and their body. So to the question on testosterone, yeah, people tend to have the take it, they have higher levels of inflammatory changes

consistent with higher levels of visceral fat and deep subcutaneous fat and fat in their muscles. So I get my clients who are on T to get off of it. Really? Yep, I get them off of it. And I get them using their testicles. Nothing works as good as your testicles getting back,

doing like what we were talking outside, stress hermetic exercises, maximum intensity exercises, sunshine, cold plunge. I know Lane Norton says, no value in doing a cold plunge, but what I'm different about, lots of doctors out there, carnivore doctors, lots of vegans, you come into my practice, you know,

they're just telling you eat plants, eat meat, I dropped 48 things on you, dropped 48 things, you gotta do these things, you gotta live your life, change it up, and do as many of these things as you can. And when it doesn't work, I skipped these things in the National Science Foundation back then,

it was about, it was seven and then once at 20 and then, you know, 25. You know, we used to give it to people without scanning them. You know what they do with it? Nothing. But when you scan somebody and you show them they've got a problem inside, then you can get their attention

and they'll turn it around. So, you know, T, if somebody's taking testosterone, they just, you gotta show them what's going on inside, why they need it because they're filled with this real fat and how you can change that around. One of my earliest clients, this guy came to me 457 pounds, came to an urgent care, because why? I worked in this urgent care part-time to make money

because I volunteered for the National Science Foundation study full-time. Every day, 4 a.m. to 7 p.m., I would volunteer my life for our country to eliminate chronic disease. Why? Because I wanted every man and woman to be able to benefit what happened to me.

My life churned around that much as a human when I got rid of chronic disease in my body. And I'm like, I'm gonna study this. So we, CJ and I, we did volunteer for seven years and we took jobs working in urgent cares. So this 450 pound guy came in. I thought I was going to get fired over this guy. And he said, he was getting a physical exam for testosterone. He had some like medical practice in California. They need to have physical exam in Minnesota. And he goes, you could, I can hear visceral

fat in people's voices too. It starts invading their muscle and their voices. So he had a voice like this. He goes, I get the impression you think this is a bad idea. And I said, yeah, I think it is. He goes, well, you got a better idea? I said, yeah, come in, see me

when this practice closes four o'clock and I'll tell you about it. So he came back four o'clock, spent an hour and a half with me and it was all dark. And my wife kept calling me and my phone was blowing up for my wife, cause she's like, why is he so late? And I finally said to this guy, his name was Bill. I said, Bill, can I just take this call and tell my wife,

you know, real quick? And so I used the phone, I said, yeah, honey, I'm sorry, I'm late. I'm just doing some work here, finish up a lot of work. And then as soon as I'll give you a ride, as soon as I'm on the road, I'll give you a call. And he heard me basically lie to my wife. And he said, because this doctor lied, and he's doing all this for me for free, I'm going to listen to him and I'm going to do what he's telling me. And he did, that

guy lost 450 pounds. He had a 56 inch waist. Today, Bill has a 34 inch waist, never gained his weight back. And because he believed that physician, he believed what I was telling him, he saw me be lying to my wife. And so, you know, if you're on testosterone, you need to have a reason, you gotta believe that you can change your life. And we do a terrible job, I think. Mark, we do a terrible job as physicians

to give people hope that they could have any kind of a better life other than just taking medications. If you're someone that's taking supplements or vitamins or anything to help move the needle in terms of your health, how do you know you really need them? And the reason why I'm asking you how do you know is because many people don't know their levels of their testosterone, their vitamin D, all these other labs like their thyroid, and they're taking these supplements to help them function at peak performance.

But that's why we've partnered with Merrick Health for such a long time now, because you can get yourself different lab panels like the Power Project Panel, which is a comprehensive set of labs to help you figure out what your different levels are. And when you do figure out what your levels are, you'll be able to work with a patient care coordinator that will give you suggestions as far as nutrition optimization, supplementation, or if you're someone who's a candidate and it's necessary, hormonal optimization to help move you in the right direction so you're not playing guesswork with your body. Also, if you've already gotten your lab work done, but you just want to get a checkup,

we also have a checkup panel that's made so that you can check up and make sure that everything is moving in the right direction. If you've already gotten comprehensive lab work done. This is something super important that I've done for myself. I've had my mom work with Merrick. We've all worked with Merrick just to make sure that we're all moving in the right direction and we're not playing guesswork with our body. Andrew, how can they get it? Yes, that's over at MerrickHealth.com slash Power Project and at checkout enter promo code Power Project

to save 10% off any one of these panels or any lab on the entire website. Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Yeah, I think Gary Brekka, he told Dana White when he was gonna die and that really kind of opened up Dana White's eyes. Dana White's been, I'm sure he's been told many times, he's been to many different doctors.

But once he had somebody that said, hey, look, here's what's compromised and here's how long that lasts for, he probably have about another 10 years. And he was like, oh, fuck, okay. Well, I should at least try what Gary Brekka is suggesting to me. And that's when he, I think he took 12 or 16 weeks.

And I think he was maybe even just halfway through that. He was already having such good results. So it doesn't take a long time for a lot of people to start to feel a little bit better. And then Dana White got to the point where he was calling Gary Brekka. He's like, dude, you don't understand, I feel amazing. He's like, no, he's like, you don't even feel amazing yet.

He's like, you just feel normal. This is the way you should feel. Yeah, that's a shout out to Gary. Good job, Gary. Because that mirrors what I have seen with clients that come to me. They just start feeling normal. And they, you know, and I do the same thing.

They start saying all these great things, you know, within I do the same thing. They, they start saying all these great things, you know, within the first month or two working with me and I go, nothing. Wait, do you see what happens once you start living your life correctly, you get rid of that disease. This is what's going to happen to you. You're going to start improving right now. You're circling the drain. You're going down the crapper. But once you get rid of that visceral fat and you start improving, then your life,

your quality of life is going to explode to a new level like it used to. Here's the best example. You guys lift weights, go into a gym. You know you do not see a lot in gym, older guys and older women. Why? Because they don't improve

Why go to gym if you're not gonna improve and what we found is the ability to high-perpetuity induced muscle protein synthesis hypertrophy wanes in proportion to visceral fat and once you get rid of visceral fat in proportion to visceral fat. And once you get rid of visceral fat, then you can start improving again, like you were when you were 16, 18 years old. So the fountain of youth really is getting rid of this visceral fat, fat in your muscle.

And you'll attack the problem. There are probably many guys that come to you that are a little bit older and they're frustrated with the gains they're gonna get. But it's not just muscle protein synthesis, it's everything in their life. Everything you're meant to improve. We had a culture for hundreds of thousands of years.

We hunted, basically our lifestyle was predicated on how well we can hunt. And we've gotten away from that. And so I like to tell people like Dana, white dude, you made a lot of money. Most people, you know, that make a lot of money lose their health along the way. And what good does it do if you have all this money and then you've, you've lost your health,

you can't even enjoy it. So one day I'd like to go around and lecture to young people and say, you got to learn how to optimize your wealth. And that doesn't mean like getting a lot of money. It means you get a hunt. And I don't mean go out and like hunt deer or something. I mean, you have got to be able to do whatever you do as a hunter and with some other form of living and you got to do whatever you do as a hunter and with some other form of living, and you gotta do it well. You've got to be successful. Men and women must be successful in the workplace.

They gotta be high performers. They gotta be productive. And maybe it is what you do for a living, like Chris Haynes, you know, he's a hunter. But you've got to be successful. And then all along, you not only have to optimize your ability to hunt and make that money,

you got to optimize your ability to optimize your health. You got it. So when you are in your 50s and 60s, your whole life, you've optimized your wealth, you've optimized your health. And then this is what a fully actualized human being does. They influence other people. They say, look at my life, it's well lived. I'm an effective hunter and I'm healthy.

And that's what you wanna do. Who is doing that today? We're not teaching it, and that's what we should be doing. You've got to hunt well, you got to preserve your health. And it's critically important. The loudest applause ever got was to a group of 20 some year old guys from Texas A&M called One Army.

Shout out to that group. I talked about those two points. And normally I just talk about health. I just go down and say, how to optimize your health. But so many of my clients came to me and said, go down there and tell these guys they got to optimize their health so that they don't end up like us,

falling, losing our health all along the way. And I realized a lot of these guys, even if I get them healthy, if they can't haunt Mark, they are stressed out because they cannot bring home the money. They're losers in the workplace. They are filled with cortisol and they can be as healthy as can be. But if they're stressed out that way,

they're gonna be filled with disease inside of them. So you got to be able to hunt well. So optimize your health, optimize your wealth. You got to do it together. We need to be teaching this in schools. What's some of the protocol look like? You did mention, you know, cutting out carbohydrates, maybe give us like 10 points.

So yeah, on my Instagram, I actually put them on the top of my page, like what you gotta do. So, you know, right away I recommend cutting out on the top of my page, like what you gotta do. So, you know, right away, I recommend cutting out. What's your- Costram handle, by the way? Just D-R-S-E-A-N-O-M-A-R-A, is my handle. And one thing we should probably, Paul, Andy,

is there a yellow and red, like six squares, yellow and red. You see these series of yellow, red squares, kind of like a- On the images you sent me or on Instagram? Yeah, it should be on the images I sent you. Yellow and red, like six squares. There. Nope.

A little bit more. No, oh yeah, right there. Let's pull that one up. Okay, so here they are. So this is a guy, 68 years old, see all that visceral fat inside, we painted it red. And he's got marblization in his muscle. And look in two weeks,

you guys never been to medical school, you're not radiologists and you just diagnosed, he reduces his visceral fat in two weeks. What this guy do, he cut out processed foods, cut out carbs. So he eliminated carbs, he dramatically improved his visceral fat in just that two weeks, but by time 35 weeks has transpired. And this is the only time this has been done in the world

and the history of humanity. This guy just cut carbs. He didn't do anything else. He did not exercise one minute. So look at that. Visceral fat being eliminated without exercise, alls he did was dietary adjustments of macronutrients and he had that substantial reduction in his visceral fat.

So he improved his sleep or anything like that. No other confounders, didn't change his sleep, didn't start going out to, did no exercise, didn't start getting sunshine. The only thing he did, and he was curmudgeoning, like we try to get him to the other things. And he was a wealthy guy. He said, no, I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. And I thank God, you know, things happened for a reason. I wanted to fire him, but we didn't have any older people. He's 68. So I'm like, all right, what the hell? We'll just let you cut out carbs and this would be a dumb study. Did he eat a lot of dietary fat?

Cause some people might have questions about that. He was eating just a standard American diet at the time. And all he did was he ate clean. So he went to like meats and vegetables and he cut out especially a cut. So he was eating fatty meat. But the big change was just eliminating carbs, especially processed foods, no other exercise. And so I think this scan should be in every medical school, should be taught in every elementary school.

And if you think about changing your diet, let's say you wanna cut out carbs or you wanna add them back in, you wanna start on fruit and honey, you wanna go vegan, get a scan, see what's going on inside, and then reevaluate yourself at two, three, four, five, you know, months down the road and see if you're heading in the right direction.

Because that's what happened to this guy. Maybe that's not what's gonna happen to you. So maybe actually, you know, the carbohydrates could be tolerated. You know, who are people that I've seen that can tolerate carbohydrates? People that have a microbiome that allow them to metabolize carbohydrates better.

Nobody talks about that. The microbiome is this big black box. And so in the future, we see people doing fecal microbiota transplants and suddenly they're losing, eating the same diet. They could return to a diet that formally caused them to lose weight. And now this FMT, fecal mycobiotic transplant

is permitted to change. Now, that's not to your question, like what are the protocols and stuff? We don't recommend, in fact, in America, the FDA restricts physicians from doing fecal mycobacteria transplants except for one indication, C. difficile. But I will look in your eye, both of you,

the future is gonna be FMTs and I'll take you, it won't even be so far in the future. You guys are doing FMTs right here. You guys are awesome. You're healthy just by lifting weights and touching those barbells. You're transferring your fecal microbes to each other. You may not wanna do that.

Especially him. But birds of feather flock together. That's why you hang with winners. You're attracted to winners because nature through imprinting wants you to hang with winners. You're attracted to winners. Because nature through imprinting wants you to hang with high performers. And when you play basketball, you high five each other, you're chest bump when somebody does something awesome.

I'm just thinking of Carl Lenore's suggestion. Mm-hmm. Eating ass. What? Carl Lenore? Yeah, he said, you know, find a woman that's real healthy and eat their ass. Oh, you know, Carl is awesome.

I started listening to you. Yeah, you know, 30 years ahead of his time. You know, it's part, you know, attraction, sexuality is part of the drive in human nature to contribute to the species. And so when you think about sexual activity, the attraction is to somebody that's very healthy. That's why we were not attracted to a woman that is very diseased.

But those microbes really do play a huge role. And kissing, you know, intercourse, just cuddling, we're swapping microbes. So shout out to Carl, that's pretty insightful stuff, Carl. I'll have to talk to you more about that. And in terms of like, I've heard you talk about microbes and fermented foods, and I think that you're fermenting your own foods, but can we just, out of convenience,

can we buy like kimchi from the store, or do we need to have our next door neighbor bury it in the backyard for us or something? Yeah, Mark, that's great. So yeah, I used to make my own fermented foods, but then, you know, you get busy and I just don't have time to do it. And now I realized that there are so many different artisans out.

Like when you travel, I tell my clients, when you go anywhere in the country, you should Google food co-op near me. Co-op is a cooperative. You can just write the word coop, C-O-O-P, food co-op near me. You'll find all these fermented foods being sold in local food co-ops.

Why is that important? Because the microbes in that local area are going to give you an addition. It's Noah's Ark. So I tell my clients, you wanna build Noah's Ark inside your microbiome. So we were nomads, we would travel, we'd follow herds of bison and animals,

and every watering hole and every new location would add new microbes to us. They would make us high performers and we would collect them and they're with you for the rest of your life if you take care of them. Don't drink chlorinated water. That's not how you take care of them. Chemicals, food preservatives, even antibiotics, they disrupt our microbiome.

Now I'm not advocating as an MD, never take antibiotics, discuss that with your doctor, but it'll probably be a short conversation. They won't know much about the microbiome, but that's not what you want to do. You don't want to rely on the antibiotics. You want to avoid ever having that kind of problem. And healthy people that are contributing

and building a microbiome like you guys are through camaraderie. And if you eat these fermented foods, you're contributing to us. So Noah's Ark, two of every species you do not eat. You do not need a lot of these things. So I sum up my eating strategies. Sean O'Meara is meat and microbes.

I eat healthy meat. And then I eat a variety of microbes, not a lot because how much quantity does it take for you to get flu? Not much. So you just need a little bit of these microbes, a little bit of fermented food. When you eat your meat, chew them together,

get a variety of these things, improve your digestion, prove the collection of microbes inside of you. And our future report cards are not gonna be visceral fat. They're gonna be sequencing of our microbiome. Cause literally I can tell how really much of a biological bad-ass you are by the microbes that you've accumulated in your lifetime,

because they tell the story of a life well-lived or a life poorly lived based on those species. And we're still learning those ways, but you guys have a very good idea how to live good lives just by your appearance and your performance. But most Americans have no idea about this. They're couch potatoes, they're eating ice cream,

tasty foods, they're pursuing pleasure instead of pursuing what makes them better. And as a result, they lose their lives or quality life all along. So it's really gets back to that microbiome. And that's why I say meat and microbes, don't eat these fermented foods like a side, like you'd eat a French fries on the side.

It's just a teeny garnish, a little bit of these fermented foods with your meat. And then what comes to meat, dude, you need to hunt like your ancestors. They knew which bison was the healthiest, which animal in that particular herd was the healthiest. And that's the one they went to. All the other predators in the world, lions and tigers,

they hunt the easiest, the young, the old, the infirm. Humans, we learned when we hunted the very best species in the herd, that it gave us better quality meat and better quality animal skins. And in those animal skins are the microbes. You want to get awesome, go hunt, get the microbes. Chris Haynes is awesome cause he's getting- Chris Ham.

Wow, they're both are probably. They're both? Oh, okay. Yeah, they both hunt. So they, you know, they, and he's not, you know, he's not hunting like lame gross animals. So when he's, he's gaining, that's why that guy is just a high performer

and he wants to be the greatest predator in the world. But when he's getting these healthy microbes, he's having conferred on his body, their microbes. So we learned our ancestors 100,000 years ago, if you took an animal skin, that was like from a lame ass animal and you put it on another human, they turned into a lame ass human.

But if you take a really highly, you know, the best animal in that herd, you skin that animal and you put that skin on you, then you go into a whole new level, you get those microbes that literally makes you better. So I tell that story because that's how you need to live your life. You got to get,

big pharma doesn't want you to find out about the microbiome, doesn't want you to understand that. Adiponectin, these things you gotta learn about so that you can figure out ways to optimize your microbiome. Hang with winners. It's a big one and stop hardening, cut out chlorinated water, food preservatives

and processed foods, horrifically destructive to our microbiome and travel and do, you know, bad-ass things, go out in the world, experience these microbes and they'll take you to a new level. Have you noticed any differences from seafood versus, from seafood versus omega-3s versus saturated fats and things like that? Yeah, yeah, actually a really good question. So higher levels of omega-3 and just like if you eat an animal, game meat and animals

that are really grass-fed grass finished. So one weird thing that I see happening to me and now it's happening to my clients is you start peeing green. And the reason- That's not gonna happen to me, what? Peeing green. So your urine turns yellow green first and then eventually it's green yellow.

Why? A little chlorophyll in there. Well, it's the flavonols. So when you optimize your microbiome, your epithelial cells in your gastrointestinal tract become so healthy that you can absorb a lot more of those flavonols, polyphenols, and vitamins, and those molecules than you ever could before.

And so what I have noticed, I'll just tell you, when I go off a grass-fed and I eat green-fed, it goes back yellow. When I go back to really healthy bison, venison, it goes green. How many times? 50 times, I've tested it. I don't know.

No? I'm not sure. I don't know. At least. So I'm not sure. I don't, I haven't really noticed. Pay attention to it. I do mainly grass fed. And so that happens and it's just, and so the same thing with seafood. If I really good, fresh, wild caught seafood,

I'm maintained that. But if you do some farm or something, it will go back to yellow. So absolutely wild game meat, wild caught seafood. And the healthier you are, the more these interesting things. And the other thing happens is bowel movements. I have a bowel movement and you sit on the toilet

for a half hour. I have a bowel movement about three to on the toilet for a half hour. I have a bowel movement about three to five seconds, perfectly tapered points. A world record. And you do not wanna have it fast. Your bowel movement should be like a reflex. And so it should be pointy because when you have a bowel movement,

this is your rectum, this is your anus, that Carl was just talking about. So on the outside, it looks like this and this is your anus that Carl was just talking about. So on the outside, it looks like this, and then unfolds in a healthy person. And there's a little tiny hole, and then a pointy tip of the stool comes out, perfectly smooth, and it closes, pointy tip. And so if you're not having those pointy tips on your stool,

you're not functionally, you don't have a good, healthy, functional gut yet. A tapered shit, like you should barely need to wipe. Yeah. Wipe them just in case. And then if you, do you have kids, Mark? I do, yeah. Do you remember toilet training in them?

He said, now daddy says to wipe and you wipe their bottom and there'd be no, there'd be nothing on the toilet paper. So that's the other weird thing that starts happening to my clients. No stool when they wipe because that anus starts functioning so much better. So you have that to look forward to,

you start watching that. So all these changes that I never, they never taught us in medical school. This is just happening and you could, now I ask people all sorts of questions, but I'm like, you know, all these very interesting observations start happening when we gave people, you know, so many strategies

and they became so optimally healthy that these interesting things start improving. And the other one we talked about is erectile, you know, function, get rid of your, your visceral fat and your erection if you're a male and it hasn't been studying of females, cause I've stayed away from this one side, I must have trouble, but you know, your erectile functioning improves and then the, the, the, the fully

optimized sign of a male erection is not a really hard erection, but one that bounces. Okay. Not just a little bounce. It's the doi-oi-oi-oi-ing. But you really want a very pronounced bounce with every heartbeat. So the healthier you are, so when you were 15, 16, 17 years old, you had this bouncing direction. Now, if you're in your 20s, 30s, it's slowly going away. And by the time you're in your 40s and 50s and 60s, it's gone. So we get our clients back to healthy erections

and then the bone or bounce. And it starts out a little tiny bounce and it gets more and more pronounced. Any images over there? No, that's another share as a client. From a couple of years ago. Any volunteers? But yeah, I think that is, again, it goes back to sexuality is part of health and the

healthy you are, the more nature wants you to contribute to the gene pool. And we've had clients, I had one client that came to me, 64 years old, infertile his whole life, married to his wife for 24 years, no children, got rid of his visceral fat and called me up. And he said, you're not gonna believe it, doc, got my wife pregnant, the age of 64. Whoa.

So fertility, so what do we see? How old is she? She was 11 years younger, so what do we see? How old was she? She was 11 years younger, so I think she was 53. Yeah, right at the end, but it happened. And so yeah, it was a good thing. And he said, I just wish it happened a long time because I'm not getting any sleep with this new baby. But if you know anybody struggling with fertility,

have them investigate, find out about visceral fat, get an MRI scan, get rid of it. Because what we see in males are semen counts go up, semen sperm swim way faster and they swim straighter. How do you test that? So there's a cool device. There is a cool device called Yo Fertility, Y-O. And you can do at home tests

and it's got this cool little thing and it will increase, you can actually visualize. It creates a video film. Can you put it on the TV screen, like watch it? Yeah. Like an event? Yeah, I don't, yeah, yeah. You could literally. I think that guy's gonna win, he's gonna win. Oh no, he lost. Place like watch it. Like an event. Yeah, I think that guy's going to win. He's a win. Oh no, he lost. Place bets on it. Yeah. But yeah, fertility goes to how awesome you are. So you want to have a

super high sperm count. You want to have fast swimmers that swim really straight. Clients that have infertility, their sperm is swimming around in circles. We give them the test and they don't have as many counts and they swim really slow and weak. And then we show them, it's a cool visual. I'm telling you, the more you see this and not a number, that's why I don't like the DEXA scan. You can really get people to improve. So they like seeing their sperm count go up

and there's some visual loss. But yeah, so yeah, this is, you know, fertility is a very interesting overlap between health, reproduction, sexuality. There's no shame in wanting to have great sex and there's no shame for wanting your member to perform the way it should be. A lot of us sometimes have

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Again, usejoymode.com slash power project, promo code power project, links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. The DEXA scan does give us some information, all right? It does. And we really should talk about it. So DEXA does give very accurate information, I would say, relative to an MRI scan or CT scan. It's not going to be as accurate, but it gets the job done when it comes to quantification. Where it pales is, as you said out earlier, Mark, it doesn't allow you to visualize. So you just get a number.

And so it's a little bit like, if I give you a crypto wallet with eight digits in it and gave it to you, that might bring a little warm smile on you. But what if I gave you 10 homes that were valued at $300 million a piece, and I gave you 20 Ferraris and Maseratis, I gave you five fed ship yachts,

put all that in front of you, you're gonna have a way bigger smile. So it's how you visualize your metrics. It's if you just are tracking numbers, it's just not gonna be as meaningful. So you wanna see that disease, particularly disease process inside of your muscles, and a marbleization that's gonna piss you off.

You see visceral fat in your abdomen, you see chunks of fat around your heart. Maybe we could, this one image, I think I can pull it up here and see if this. What would be a, is there some decent numbers you can give people? This is the guy who passed out by the way. Is there some decent numbers you can give people?

Because I'm imagining most people don't have like an MRI scan. Is there some sort of numbers or percentages you could give people that have had DEXA scans like, hey, you should have under 10 pounds or I don't know what the numbers would be. Yeah, great question. And people wanna know that.

The answer is you want none. This stuff is highly inflammatory disease causing. The lower you get it, the better you feel, the better you look, the better you live. So don't settle for this highly inflammatory stuff. You want it eradicated out of your body through, you know, good living. And that's incredibly important to do that.

So you do not wanna have that disease process within you. I'm looking for, oh, actually, maybe I'll pull up this scan here. So we talked about blood flow. These are brain arteries. So you see here, this is the middle cerebral artery and it gets really weak here. What we noticed is people got rid of visceral fat

that blocked arteries. Here's a big blockage. You can see in that particular image there, got rid of visceral fat that blocked arteries. Here's a big blockage you can see in that particular image there, a circle in white. Nine months later, the artery improved on the right side and on the left side, it completely opened up in nine months from getting rid of visceral fat. So this guy significantly improved his blood flow. And the other interesting thing is you won't be able to show up there,

but you see my brachial artery, I have visible pulses throughout my whole body now. So as we open up these arteries, clients no longer have to feel their pulse. They can just watch their pulses all over their body. And after the podcast I want to do here, I'll lay down, you'll see my belly shoots up from the blood gushing down my aorta. So if you think it's because I don't have much sub-Q fat, well, I got a lot of guts

over between my aorta and my skin and it pushes surges out my abdomen. Now, somebody came in age 61, which was my age today, and their belly was shooting up like that. I would get a CT scan or an ultrasound because I'd be terrified that they have what's called an abdominal aortic aneurysm, like a big swelling of their aorta, which is about to rupture. But the truth is you wanna have visible pulses.

You know, the CPR algorithm check for a pulse, you know, feel for a pulse, you should see a pulse. You know, healthy humans, you should visualize a pulse and significant optimization of blood flow. And that's what we see, you know, in these arteries opening up, when you get rid of visceral fat. And when I go to these lectures to like doctors

and hospitals, they all have the same look on their face and the audience, they're like this. Cause they just have never seen anything like this. They just, it's not part of our training that you can open up arteries. The only way you open up arteries is stenting. You know, you put coils in and stent them. So the idea that you change how you live in your life,

how you eat, how you exercise, get sunshine, de-stress, you sprint, actually you do fasting that you actually open up these arteries is just unheard of. What do you think sprinting does? Sprinting, it's actually been studied in the context of myokines. So myokines are these messaging molecules,

I'm sure you're aware of them. And they tell your body to burn fat and build muscle. So in 10 different forms of exercise, they looked at myokine production and they used actually, I think, mass spectrometry. So what they did in this particular study was they said, well, let's just see what gets created. And there was a molecule messaging molecule called lacV,

which is a combination of lactate and phenylalanine that goes combined. And the one form of exercise that increased the myokinesis most was sprinting. So sprinting number two, resistance training, lifting weights, right underneath sprinting. And at the very bottom was studied was running. So sprinting just produces molecules inside your body

to help you build muscle. And I think this was- Some of this can sometimes be- This guy right here, this is a sprinter, Olympic sprinter, Emmanuel Matadi. This is before he lifted weights, Mark. This guy got this jacked and I didn't believe him. I'm like, no, you don't get muscles like that

without lifting weights. But he said, no, I've never lifted weights. And so I checked with his friends from high school and they said, no, he never lifted weights. He got that jacked just from sprinting. Yeah, sprinting is tremendous demand on the body. But some people might get confused by some of this information.

Here are people talking about walking burning fat and zone two walking burning fat and zone two cardio burning fat, which it's true, those things do oxidize fat at the moment. And when you sprint, sprinting is usually more of a glycolytic activity, but after sprinting is when your body starts to really tap into those fat stores and you're gonna burn way more fat

from doing sprints. And then also the signal to the body. We can't forget the cascade of catabolic things that get sent to the body. If you spend time running too much, you run 90 minutes, two hours at a time. And again, we also have to mention that there are people that do adapt, that do get used to these things

that can probably, if given certain athletes can get away with certain things because they've just been doing things for a long time, but it's still good to be aware of all those things. I would like to investigate that. I completely agree with you, Mark. I think it's fascinating that some people seem to be able to adapt to distance running without their problem.

But if you look at the majority of people that are distance runners and they get to in their 60s, 70s, 80s, particularly a world champion level marathoners, they're really emaciated and atrophied and compared to the sprinters. And they can do a lot of damage to their heart as well. Yeah, so you're exactly right.

And in fact, there's a cardiologist that warning about distance running, Dr. James O'Keefe. And he spends a lot of time talking about a fib, atrial fibrillation being associated with distance running. And so what we have found in our studies is when people did a lot of distance running, it made them very refractory to losing like this guy right here.

This guy was a distance runner. He had a sizable amount of visceral fat inside of him. And he was doing 10 miles a day, five days a week. And then we told him, you know, stop that distance running. He did no other changes. And in two months, he substitutes sprinting it. And then look at the dramatic elimination of his visceral

fat and his muscle, he developed a six pack. And this was evident on his body before he got scanned, the technician came back, Sean, Sean, I think this guy's taking steroids. He's so jacked. So I had to ask him, please don't mess with our science. Are you taking steroids? Because he was visibly jacked in two months from when he was before.

And he said, nope, nope. I just did what you told me. I stopped running and I started sprinting. Now, I will say this to you, Mark. I do not believe the average person, no way is going to get this jacked if they just start sprinting. But what this guy did was he stopped all the distance running.

So I think there's something there like a rebound effect. When you pull back on that distance running, and maybe it's the excessive reactive oxygen species that get, start accumulating when you do a lot of distance running and then you stop that and you go to the lesser form of ROSs that get produced when you sprint because this guy was only sprinting 10,

he's doing six sprints for about 10, 10 to 15 seconds, five times a week. It could be possible. Some people are pretty suppressed, you know, because they exercise so much though, his muscle maturity and things like that might've been suppressed or kind of locked behind all that mileage of running that he was doing.

And once he freed himself of that, he could, you know, gain. Yeah, I think that kind of a rebound, he had that ability to eliminate that. So a significant, but when we started learning this, and you could also see too, his deep subcutaneous fat was reduced compared to where it was before. So the other way these love handles,

you could think of it's kind of like a poor man's MRI. So you got love handles, it gives you an indication. You can have visceral fat. When you get rid of that visceral fat, those love handle, the more deleterious portion of it. The deep subcutaneous fat was eliminated, but as superficial adipose tissue where they add a panectin was pretty largely preserved.

And so that's what we try to do. We develop strategies to maintain that superficial level of adiponectin rich subcute, superficial subcute fat while eliminating visceral fat and losing that deep subcute fat. So when you get an MRI, this is the level of optimization. And I would love guys and girls in the weightlifting bodybuilding community, kudos to you. You've done awesome in making people realize that they don't have to be couch potatoes.

But could we get some men and women to start doing MRIs and bring fidelity, amplification to what they're doing and looking at their muscle to fat ratios on the inside instead of just on the outside. It is time we, you know, I would love to bring some maturity and growing up and optimization to this exciting world. I mean, it's fantastic. But yeah, this is one area you asked me about things that trouble me. This is kind of a bug of it for me, that bodybuilders are focusing in on

just the outward appearance of muscle and weightlifting. I mean, it's important. You got to perform well. But I think we could get weightlifters to live way longer and way better if we had them educated to track these other biomarkers, marblization of their muscles and deep sub-Q fat, trying to get a few, I know it's gonna be hard cause it's like change, cause there's just so many people,

you wanna see that shredded look. In these images and just in MRIs in general, are you able to see when there's fat around the liver? You able to see when there's fat around these different organs, the heart and so on? Yeah. Yeah. So we, I don't know Andrew. That could be the real danger, right?

Yeah. If we can show some heart, can we get some other scans up there, Andrew, some other, a little further down. That's, oh, wait, right there is kind of a, this is an interesting one. These are legs, so. Oh, I've seen you pull these up on your Instagram before. Yeah, so a 74-year-old, very little marbleization,

40-year-old, very little marbleization, 40 year old, very little marbleization, this 74 year old marbleization going on. But the other interesting thing is, Mark, look at is the femurs here, okay? Bone shows up as black on an MRI and fat shows up as white. So there's the bone marrow inside those femurs and they're both thick. The 74 year olds bones are as thick as the 40 year olds,

but that's this 74 year old in the middle. Their bone is so thin. And this is the story of the elderly today. And unfortunately, who have their bones start to thin and then they get this spontaneous femur fracture. They're in their kitchen in their slippers and then they just fall to the ground. And what's happened is their femur snaps

because you can see how incredibly thin this is. It also looks like it has fat within it, is that right? Yeah, there's, and you're very astute. So there is fat from bone marrow, but what's happening, if you look at that ratio, and this is where the MRI is really cool, you can look at the ratio of the fat, the white to black, and they're pretty proportional here.

But in this one, way more white relative to black. So just like your muscles, you wanna be more black to white. And same thing with your bones here, it's more white to black, not only just in the muscle, but also in the bone. And so what happens is the bone starts thinning from the inside out.

And so you have this gradual decline of your bone strength. And this is the mortality of this at the age of 85. If you fracture one of these bones is 95%, but check this out. It's not because the bone is fractured. It's because the level of diseaseing, that term I just came up with instead of aging, diseaseing, you've accumulated so much disease

by the time you're 85. And if you spontaneously fracture one of those bones, your mortality is 95% with that type of event. But if you take this same person, I have 80 year olds that I take care of. If I smack that with a good hit from a sledge and I break that femur, they'll be just fine because they haven't diseased.

They've recovered, they preserved. I wish, I don't think that's this one, but yeah, I have an 80 year old with really thick bones. This is a guy who lost all that visceral fat in three months and I'm glad I clicked on this because here's your heart scan. Yeah, it's about fat around the heart. See that big chunk of white around the heart there, Mark.

That is a cardio fat or ectopic fat. It's fat with surrounding the heart. It's like a big chunk of inflammatory fat up against all your coronary arteries, which are not inside your heart, they're on the outside. So when you have a bypass surgeon, CT surgeon, they have to transplant those. It's all buttressed up there, but look in three months,

look how much he reduces heart fat by reducing his visceral fat. So that's a significant reduction in their fat, dangerous visceral fat and hard fat. Can I ask a quick question? Sure. I quickly wanna ask a question that Mark asked, because you mentioned like zero visceral fat is ideal,

of course, but a lot of the pictures you've pulled up have people that have gone maybe from three pounds to one pound and that's good that they lost that but What is a number? Obviously you don't want to have any but what's a number where like you can be less concerned like okay You're okay three pounds is probably you're in trouble one pound. It's probably I'm assuming you want to lose it, but you're alright Right, so every everybody's gonna have a different number. Okay, is there a general?

Generalization, it's really hard to answer that, but you're gonna live a pretty quality life if you get it below one pound. If you can get your visceral fat below one pound. If you're gun to my head, you want a number, cough out less than one pound. But that same person, maybe with 14 ounces of fat, If you're gun to my head, you want a number cough out less than one pound, but you're that same person, maybe with 14 ounces of visceral fat still could have a heart attack

versus somebody that has more visceral fat because here's what it turns on. How long you had that visceral fat for. So if you just, you know, if I take a bunch of visceral fat and dump it inside a mark, he's not gonna feel a huge change on that. But over a period of time that all those molecules, gradually those black-headed horsemen with their guns will gradually start deteriorating you. And you'll be like,

I don't know what the hell is going on. My body is really falling apart over the last year. So slowly it starts to affect you. So it's the exposure to visceral fat, not the mere presence. And the other interesting thing is, let's just say I take, you know, average one of my clients that comes to me

who's in bad shape with visceral fat and open them up and take all that visceral fat out, close them back up. They will feel no change for a significant period of time because it's the damage has been done over a period of time. Now the interesting thing is kids, and I've scanned kids as young as four,

had clients this year that brought a four year old to me and we scan them. They had visceral fat. So kids are even, you know, based on how many waffles and pancakes and cereal, sugary cereals they eat in the morning will have visceral fat start to form. And then I don't have it with me, but I have my kids that grew up in a deprived household, but they just ate meat and cheesy, cheesy omelets and stuff in the morning for breakfast.

And they had like no visceral fat, they're just gorgeous organs and fat inside of fact. If you could scan, maybe I'll show you a good example. Maybe right there. Whoop, that's it. So check out the samurai. So see how dark this is? So this person has got a very low amount of visceral fat.

They've got a nice abdominal shape. Okay, that's like an oval shape. That's like you guys in the sagittal abdominal diameter that we talked about with Joe Rogan being more elevated and pertuberant, very small. So, um, this person, I'd like to say, well, this is one of my clients and I got rid of all their visceral. Now this isn't even a client. This was somebody I found on the internet and we'll pull up her picture. She's on Instagram and I found her

and I became very interested in her from a researcher standpoint, because she is nice. You clarified that. Purely science. Purely scientific. She's gonna enjoy this podcast. So she's got a healthy looking leg and very nice healthy torso.

And she's got an attractive face and an elegant arm. And her story is this is Carolyn Boucheret and she's got 600,000 followers. She's a model and she has this attractive figure. She's 59, 59 years old. And the reason why she looks this way at age 59, she's never had visceral fat. So you ladies listening, the pretty girl in your class that was always pretty,

oftentimes they turn out not so attractive later in life. But Carolyn has always stayed attractive because she went on a low carb diet way back in the sixties, I think it was Atkins when she went back in the sixties, only her mom and dad never went off Atkins unlike my mom and dad where we went low carb and then we filed the government that told us it's fat is the problem. Stop eating fat and eat all the carbs we want. And we fell apart but Carolyn didn't fall apart. So it's the lack of influence of visceral fat in that. And here, I think is my 60 year old,

I'm sorry, 80 year old, okay. So look how thick this 80 year old guy's legs are. See how thick that bone is and their bone marrow. And they really don't have much visceral fat. These white dots are actually not fat. It's from my cell phone taking this artifact from the ceiling lights. So this is an 80 year old's legs.

So they're even older than the 74 year old. And this person eats carnivore, they eat ferments and they hunt elk. Is there something going on with the femur of the rider? Is that just your phone? No, it could be artifact, but it could also, very interesting you pick up on that. And I need to go back to the radiologist.

It might be red bone marrow that's coming back. Very often we do not see this at this age, but as you become, this guy has been carnivore longer than I have. This guy's 80 years old. So he's very healthy and he's an elk hunter, sprinter, sprints up mounds. But when we talked about being really effective,

this guy's full-time job, he's chairman of board of a national bank, chairman of board of a bank. This guy's a real financial, you know, badass, great hunter. And he literally is a hunter, teaches guys how to hunt elk. So I would not be surprised if we're actually being able to see a little red marrow,

which is more in line with what we see in optimally healthy people. And who do we see that in? Young people. So I tell my clients, if you wanna see what you look like without disease, look at your kids. And I tell my kids, the kids of my clients, you want to see what you look like with disease, look at your parents. So one interesting story I will tell about

my son Aiden. Aiden is 18. He'll be starting Texas A&M. So he's top of his class, doing really good in school, best high school man to talk, big Jack guy. He's now 18 and he wrote his college entrance exam for go to college. And I said, would you write your essay on? I was just curious. He goes, well, I actually wrote it on your practice. I'm like, what?

Would you write it on your practice? Listen is the answer. He goes, I wrote it, what it was like to grow up in a house with a dad that has this health optimizing practice and how all these older people came to you with all this disease and how they got better when you told them what to do and start changing their lives. And he said, at the age of 14, I wrote about how I decided

that wasn't gonna happen to me. I'm just gonna start living this way and never get diseased. That's what we need to do in America. We need to teach younger people that they can live healthy and not have disease. So that 14 year old kid figured it out. So if you're listening today,

the answer to try to get your kids healthy is get yourself healthy, model it. Let them become attracted to the fact that you are healthy and you can't talk them into it. You just gotta make it look attractive. And I think that's the mission of America. What you got going on over there, Andrew? Yeah, so if somebody finds this podcast,

they will at least be aware of like what visceral fat is, but you're right, it's not talked about like at all really. So the thought of like, oh shit, I already have 50 pounds to lose a fat. Now I have a different fat I need to focus on. It's already hard enough to lose fat as is right now. Yeah. Like, you know, we talked about a little bit before about like calories in calories out,

like, you know, we can argue that all day long, but there is somewhat of a like a blueprint for losing body fat, right? If we can keep it super elementary, we'll just do the calories in calories out thing. Consume a little bit less and we output a little bit more. Just to keep it elementary, just that way we have an example of a way of losing body fat. We've heard you say stuff about fermented foods. What else? Sprinting, sunlight, that sort of stuff. But is there like, and I don't want to say like your protocol, but like what's the guide for

somebody to follow in order to focus on visceral fat? Like, can it be similar to just dropping body fat? Because it's sort of like there's a bit of a, again, losing body fat is already difficult. Now I gotta lose visceral fat. It seems like this is like, level one is already really difficult. Now, how do I get past level two?

Like, this seems almost impossible if I can't even figure out this first one. Kind of such a good question, Andrew. A loaded one, a lot going on in there, super good though. Because you know what? Probably the majority of followers are like, damn, that was a good question. That guy's awesome.

That was a great question. So here's my response, because I've thought about this for 13 years. So I'm gonna turn on my, I'm still a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army National Guard. I'm gonna turn on my military hat to try to explain this. When it comes to research perspective,

researchers, people like me who are researching how to optimize human health, we look at two measures for trying to determine if a study is helpful. It's called signal and noise. Signal is that part of what we're looking at that really matters. Noise is what is a distraction. So let me hit it home.

In a military analogy, if we're looking to try from a military objective to destroy and eliminate missile launchers, we could look for every tree with all these leaves because missile launchers can hide behind trees and we can destroy all the trees. But our ability to focus and really get on that target is going to be substantially hampered because there's a lot of distraction, a lot of noise in that, just looking at leaves. Real signal is seeing those bad boys on satellite imagery. How we see them in a field, we take them out.

So when it comes to optimizing people, helping to lose weight, don't, when you're just losing weight, you're looking at a lot of noise. And you could lose a lot of weight and not get healthy. Oprah, Oprah's gone up and down, up and down, up and down. Cause nobody's told her about signal, looking at visceral fat in particular,

and optimizing your microbiome. So my best answer to that excellent question is, add some fidelity, focus on what's really going to matter, what really helped get the job done, take out those missile launchers. If you wanna be healthy, you wanna experience a better quality of life then get rid of that visceral fat

and don't pay attention to a bathroom scale on your weight because I've had clients that have gone in, I remember this one guy's a firefighter about 35 years old, jack guy. He came in, we scanned him, he worked so hard, and he never lost weight. And when we showed him his MRI scan, I looked at a grown man, 35, who started bawling,

because he saw inside, he had lost all his visceral fat and he grew muscle. So while he was weight neutral, he optimized his human body. And so that's the fidelity that an MRI can bring to help you understand. So if you want to be investing in that, the things get back to Mark's question, I recommend is meat microbes, eat fermented foods, build Noah's Ark inside of you where you are eating small amounts of a variety of fermented foods. If you think you're going to improve your microbiome by eating one damn jar of kimchi

over and over and over again, you're not. It will help a little bit, but it's the man and woman that's enlightened to understanding that the microbiome is a damn African safari. There are so many species in there and they live in a symbiotic relationship and it all has to be in balance.

And so just eating one jar of kimchi ain't gonna bring diversity to your safari. So eat nose arc when it comes to fermented foods and do some fasting. We didn't really talk a lot about fasting, but fasting breeds and improves autophagy. And autophagy is another word like adiponectin that big pharma doesn't want you to know about

because you become awesome when you increase your autophagy. How long of a fast? I have been fasting. I get my clients very slowly to increase it over a period of time because if the last thing, Mark, such a good question. The last thing I wanna do is have somebody start a fast and do too much and they get discouraged

and they blow off this one amazing ability, this amazing health optimizing strategy of autophagy. And so I slowly worked myself up over 13 years that I do three or four days of fasting a week, every week I'm fasting. You say fasting, do you mean fasting all day or you mean like a 12 or 16 hour fast? We're talking 72, 96 hours, zero calorie. Oh, okay.

So it's basically it's watered down, teeny tiny fast compared to our ancestors. Sounds like you fast almost every other day, is that right? Well, I do, I literally fast for, you know, three to four days straight. So I'm doing 72 to 96 hours straight, no calorie, and then get out of my way when I'm recovered

and I'm eating some size of my meat. So I think, I call it feasting, fasting. Do not do this, ladies and gentlemen. This is about 13 years of me doing this, but I'm working my way up to trying to be what our ancestors would have done, wooly mammoth consumption of meat. And I'm trying to, you know,

I can eat eight pounds of meat in a single day. I've stretched my stomach to be able to do that. And, but that's nothing. I mean, you got women that are reading those Texas brisket contest and hot dog game contest, they do 20 and 22 pounds. So eight pounds ain't nothing to really boast about. But I'm stretching it and I fast and then I feed.

And if you think about those bariatric patients, one of those morbidly obese, my 600 pound life, they have enormous stomachs, they stretched and they can eat 10, 20 pounds of pizza and ice cream. What would a human being look like to just eat 10 to 20 pounds of meat and nothing else instead of putting bad processed foods in? Sean Baker.

I don't think Sean eats that much. I think Sean eats like four or five pounds. Yeah, I don't think he eats all that much, but you know, shout out to Sean. Dude looks good. I'd love to see Sean doing some more extended fasting, but Sean is also, you know, training to, you know, be a world level champion and is rowing and things.

And so that's gonna be a different thing, like world level sprinters and stuff. Those kind of achievers, it comes when you're, when the world's best in something, it might be best in the world, but it may not be the best for your species in terms of how you wanna live. So it all comes at a price

when you wanna be that competitive. So I'm very interested. I'd like to see DOD, Department of Defense, really specialize and concentrate from a biological perspective, start researching, what do we gotta do to create super humans? And I'm fascinated by this. got to do to create super humans. And I'm fascinated by this. I'd like to create super humans that perform incredibly well and create super soldiers

basically. And then also model that for humanity. I mean, we have never seen the amount of disease that we see today. 100,000 years ago, if the five of us showed up with our ancestors 100,000 years, they would look at us, start screaming and running for the hills. It'd be like, there's no way I'm touching those dudes

because they're so unhealthy relative. We're so unhealthy relative to them. So we've lost sight of our species ability to detect minute changes, you know, how we start to deteriorate and how we could detect change when we're improving. That's why young people go and they flex in the gym. They see a muscle pump after just doing 15 minutes

of working out or 30 minute workout or hour and a half workout, they're flexing. That's nature telling them to see the change. So they go back and do it again the next day. And the 60 year old and 70 year old fill of this real fat who doesn't get that post muscle pump workout, that pump, they don't see that change. And so they don't go back and do it again.

But that's what we need to do. We need to pick up on little tiny changes. And I see it in my kids, if they go out springing, I see it in their face. If they do a sauna, I can see it in their face. If they fast, in clients, you can detect minute changes from being awesome, like the visible pulse thing.

I go out in the sunshine, the magnitude of that pulse, I'm not talking the speed, it's like it goes faster, but the magnitude, like to use a bigger erection, that pulse gets bigger if I go on the sunshine from nitric oxide. So when I go out there, I'm very encouraged by going out in the sun. Guess what happened to Sean O'Mara and medicals,

very discouraged about going to the sun because they said you're gonna cause disease, start falling apart. You're gonna burn. So now when I go in the sun, I see that blood flow. I'm like, oh, damn, that's going now to my brain, my heart, my kidneys, my liver, way better. And so that encourages me to go out in the sunshine

and where else does that happen? The sauna. And when I sprint, I lift weights and get much more nitric oxide production. And so I'm encouraged to go back and do it again. The other one is fasting. When I fast, now Paul Saladino, God bless him, another physician way smarter than me.

He advocates and he, I went on Paul's podcast a couple of years ago. He had talked me into doing honey. So I do this little experiment with honey. When I took the honey twice, it made my pulses disappear for like a day, day and a half that completely went away. And I never, it was like I'd lost my shirt or something.

I always have my pulses. And so the consumption of that honey actually decreased and eliminated my visible pulses. Do you think that that would be an individual type thing? Because I know like, you know, like there are certain athletes who, and I don't think that you need excessive amount of carbohydrates, but athletic populations,

usually like they'll have some carbohydrates and once they go exercise, like, you know, I know Bill Maietta, he's like 55 years old. He gets a little bit of carbs in the system. His body just like balloons and in a good way, like you could see his veins and all that type of stuff. So what are your thoughts on that? I do know that's a great question.

So I think it's the microbiome. So I had eliminated so many driven my species of microbes into fat and protein consumption that carbohydrates being introduced, just I didn't have good healthy microbes to handle that microbiome. But I would be interested in acquiring, it would be interesting to study and see what happens.

The other answer to Paul Saladino, if he listens to this podcast, somebody forwards it to him, is Paul eats like two or 300 grams of carbs. You know, he went from carnivore like zero carbs to this, you know, hundreds of grams of carbs. And my interesting observation is he surfs for three hours, but a day, two to three hours a day. But I'm a surfer too.

I don't surf too much anymore, but my lifestyle, but I grew up surfing. And one of the things I observe is that you almost never see, you never see a dedicated surfer that's a heavy guy. So here's what's going, here's my opinion. The microbes in the ocean, you go down, you gonna swallow water. Paul is swallowing a lot of ocean water.

He's probably got a very optimized microbiome. So Paul is telling these people take, you know, honey and all these other things, but there he's not telling him drink the water that I drink, cause he doesn't know that's going on. But that's what I think. I think Paul has an optimized microbiome, like many surfers. A lot of my surfer friends who continue to surf

are just super healthy. Have you ever, by the way, done anything with swimmers? Because when you were mentioning like the chlorinated water, it made me think about, because good swimmers aren't usually getting that much, ingesting that much water when they're breathing, but sometimes you take an odd stroke here and there, you're going to ingest some chlorinated water, right?

More than most people would, because that water has a bunch of chlorine in it. It's always touching your skin. Right? Like, is there, have you had, or do you know anything about those types of things? No, that's a great question. Mike, to add to that, what I've noticed is swimmers look really good, like Mark Spitz and stuff when they're younger, but then when they get older, they seem to have a lot of atrophy, like they've lost a lot of their muscle mass, even though a lot of them continue to do master level swimming. And so my thought is exactly that. I think chlorine is disrupting their microbiome.

And here's, you know, we do all these studies, right? On chlorine added to water. And even Monsanto studies with glyphosate, they're not doing the studies on the microbiome. So we don't really see the impact that chlorine is having, disrupting the human microbiome, and that's what leads to disease. And so you got scientists out there literally

that drink glyphosate, because they're convinced it doesn't cause any harm on human cells. But where the problem is what they're not paying attention to is the delicate, living, beautiful microbes that are inside our microbiome. So brilliant question. That's what we got to start doing. We got to start looking at your most important physical asset that you'll ever own is your body because nothing else will impact the quality of your life and dictate how much you're gonna enjoy every circumstance or suffer every circumstance

in the future than your physical body. And the most important aspect to your body is not your visceral fat, it's really your microbiome. But the microbiome becomes kind of an elusive target to try to go after and optimize. The visceral fat is easier to visualize and see it. The microbiome, you got to do these sequencing studies and they're expensive and they're kind of early stage.

And I've done a lot of microbiome sequencing and I just don't find it super healthy, not nearly as much of an ROI to target as visceral fat. So I think we're just at the early stages of the microbiome understanding. It's the second phase of the Human Genome Project that Dr. Craig Vetter launched probably 20, 30 years ago and completed probably now 15 years ago.

And we're gonna be looking at all of those species of microbes of which there are 70 trillion estimated microbes inside of us. And we know precious little about them and what they do. And we have 10, about 10 trillion human cells. So we get a lot of work to catch up when it comes to the microbiome, but don't Peter Atiyah

says it's just too complicated and he doesn't spend enough, you know, doesn't worry about it because it's too complex. Well, I reject Peter's position on that. I think, you know, cut out processed foods, go do sunshine, you know, do a sauna, do a cold plunge, do some fasting, do some sprinting, do resistance training.

Those have good quality sexual relations, swap microbes. All these things will optimize your microbiome and don't wait for the man to figure it out, get going on your life, get going on living better so that you invest in your future. Where can people find you? Best place to find me is social media.

Just that earlier handle, d-r-s-e-a-n-o-m-a-r-a. And I have a website also, drsenomara.com. I'm on X, LinkedIn, YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok, all under the same name. And if any of this makes sense and you're a motivated person, you wanna come and you're able to afford MRIs. Everybody wants to come and say, well, you study me for free.

I don't own an MRI scanner. I can't study you for free. So unless you can afford to have these MRIs, I can't follow you. But if you got money, quit losing your health. Come get motivated. We'll study, figure out how to optimize you and use those MRIs. But yeah, I'd love to do podcasts and Mark, thank you so much for having me. Your show is great. Great to be here and talk about visceral fat. I appreciate the opportunity to educate. Thanks for spreading some fecal matter my way. It's about 250 bucks for people

that are looking into getting an MRI. So I don't think that's too much to ask when you're trying to invest in your health. So it might be something to look into. Strength is never weak. This weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.