Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast - Ep 529 - Weed & Gambling (feat. Saagar Enjeti)

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

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We're live. Sagar, thank you, dude. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. I like your setup. Thank you, man. Thank you. Since I'm in politics, I kind of think I vibe with the set more,

I think. I think it's a good look for you, too. I think you look good on that. Really? There's something about it. See, now I feel really self-conscious. I should have worn my suit. The only reason I didn't is because I'm going out after this.

I'm going to be out of the town. You don't want to be walking around Austin, Texas. Just sweating in a suit. I did it yesterday after Lex Friedman's podcast, and I was getting a lot of looks. Do you guys both wear suits? Yes, we both wear suits. That's right. That's kind of nice.

But his is the black suit. His is different. He has like a uniform. He does. And I like to change it up. He's like an alien fighter. He dresses like Will Smith from Men in Black. Yes, exactly. It's kind of, there's something nice about that.

I've always wanted to do the Steve Jobs thing, where I wear the same thing every day. You could do it. I think you could do it. I feel like I could. I know one guy who's been wearing all white for seven years and I'm white jacket swag. In comedy, do you think it is useful to have a uniform or no? Because I noticed that comedians have been getting very like fashion forward. Yeah. And sometimes I'll go to a set and I'll be like honestly what he's wearing is kind of distracting me right now.

Yeah, I don't understand why. I mean I have like a loose uniform. It's just jeans, usually these sneakers, and I just switch a plain colored t-shirt. That's fine. See, that's comfortable. I could see that working. But sometimes I'll see these guys in like crazy ass Gucci stuff. I'm blinded by you right now. I can't even hear what you're saying.

I never understood that too, because it's like, dude, you're supposed to be making people laugh. You tell me. It's your profession. I don't know what it is. I see people go way fashion forward on the stage, and'm kind of like, dude, you're kind of... It's like a distraction. Totally.

And nobody cares. I totally agree. It's like nobody cares. Your job here is to play the fool. Like you're trying to dress like a cool guy. It's like... I think it detracts. I'm with you, man. I think it detracts. If I ever wear anything that is remotely eye-catching, I'll think about it on stage the entire time. Really? I can't, yeah. They took me forever to- this is my aura ring, it's just for tracking my biometrics. Uh-huh. Took me forever- I would meet every person I met I'd be like,

I'm usually not a two ring guy. You're the only aura ring person I know who's a guy. I know, so they track their periods. I know, that's why every women I know is like they're obsessed with period tracking. So how does it feel to be a guy wearing an aura ring? Well me and- What do you even get out of it? Me and Nick's ex from 311. I'm not the only guy. Real men wear whoop straps. Whoop straps are cool but here's the thing sleeping with something on my wrist I get it to track my sleep. My sleep is way up. I just too clunky on my hand. It's too clunky

on your hand. It's too clunky. I tried doing the Apple watch sleep and it just I can't get with it. I'll tell you when I got my wedding ring it took me months to get used to this. Yeah, even now I'm always like this Yep, I know subconsciously Banging on shit. I felt weird for the longest time and then now if I don't have it on I feel like a right I can make it boy ever get terrifying that you're gonna rip your finger off. I think about that all the time How you gonna rip your finger off? I don't know like like the trunk or something, like something will catch just exactly the right way. Oh, you're gonna come into it like that. Yeah, and your entire finger

is gonna be completely ripped off. Then it's, well, look, if you rip your ring finger off, then it's on. You can do whatever you want. It's be like, bro, my bad. What do you even tell your wife? Put the ring on the nub? Yeah, it's like, I lost my ring.

You just cheat on her all the time as you go on a ring finger? Like, I'm my ring. You just cheat on her all the time. I don't have a ring. It's gone. Our vows are over. Yeah. If you lose that finger, you're a bash. You're a badger. I like that. You remember those rules in the 2000s?

I love watching, you know, 2000s movies or actually 1990s like American pie when they're like, it's not cheating if you're in not in the same zip code. Oh, yeah. And rewatching it 25 years later 25 years later like that makes no fucking sense You're like, what are you talking like? How is this conventional wisdom in 2001 that Hall Pass was another big one? That was a there was a whole friends episode. But what's your home pass? No, but that's not real. Yeah, totally fake

Yeah, you're yeah, but fucking a lady in a hotel room like stop acting like it's a cute thing to do Yeah, I was literally just thinking about hall passes yesterday I was like they try to push that for a little bit. It was a huge 2000s trope as if all relationships functioned on if you're not in separate area codes You're not married or you're engaged hall passes were apparently an allegedly thing. What else was there? They work wife work wife work wife was a huge thing that shit pisses me off Yeah, I don't like that stuff work wife concept is fucking weird. You know I understand how it arises But it's like it's not your work wife you're cheating on your wife

You're having an emotional you are having an emotional affair. That's going to bleed over right yeah things were weird in the 90s They were and there was also in the 90s. It was like very in vogue we talked about this before but it was like very in vogue to like Jailbait the concept of like having sex with underage women was just like yo, bro I had you know, that was a big that's another big American pie thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean man They don't age well, but they are still hilarious. They're so funny. They should remake it. They should do it again Then we need what was the last one American American Wedding? Is that what it is? I lost track. American Pie, I saw that. That was like a huge

thing to see when I was younger. I kind of jumped off that and Hangover. I didn't really follow the Hangover as well. Comedy, they stopped making comedy movies. Yeah, but the whole reason I'm here is because Shane is filming Ty. Now it's the emergence, it's re-emerging. And that technically is a show.

The great American comedy There was like the Farrelly brothers all these people You don't have they don't you don't have like a comedy in the theaters and the weirdest thing too is that the director? Todd Phillips I mean he made so many of those movies that I love old school. He made what else did he make? He made road trip. I think yeah, it's an incredible film road trips nice road trip is so good But now and then he did the hangover in the game filthy rich But then he just made he made the Joker movie, and then he did the hangover and became filthy rich, but then he just made, he made the Joker movie and then he made Joker 2,

which is adorable. It's like a total disaster. Why do they do that? I don't know. I mean, the galaxy brain case, Tarantino had a really good quote. He's like, Joker is Todd Phillips saying, you know, the way he talks, he's like,

Joker is Todd Phillips saying, wait, he's saying, fuck you, to the audience. And that's why it's brilliant. And I was like, I don't know Tarantino I think you're gouging braining yourself and It's just bad it's just empirically bad I know even even though to be like yeah, cuz it's for me I always think of like the mood like that. I guess if you're already you have that track record

It's like people will still invest in you Well, that's thing is fucking money and also he's a super weird dude. One of my favorite books I read about Hollywood was Molly's Game. Actually, it also became a movie, which is a good movie. I think it's on Netflix. And it's about that girl who ran the high stakes poker game in Hollywood.

But I ended up reading the book, and I found out Tobey Maguire is a complete and total psycho. So Tobey, I had no idea. So Tobey was part of the quote unquote pussy posse with Leo DiCaprio. So Toby, I had no idea. So Toby was part of the quote-unquote pussy posse. So I knew that. But then I'm reading about these weird psychological mind games that he would play in the book and he would at one point he had a quote where he's like, poker is not about winning, poker is about destroying people's souls. And he would string people along and bring them,

get them into debt, and he was constantly charging this girl, the girl who ran the games, and he was fucking with her and her livelihood, and he would take the game. He's a multi-hundred millionaire or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And he's constantly, he's charging her for using his automatic shuffling machine. Just weird power game shit.

Like true Hollywood. He's like an evil nerd. Yeah, he's psycho. What the fuck? Reading that book, I was like, dude It's like an evil nerd. Yes, like an evil nerd psycho reading that book I was like dude. You are an actual psychopath like I this see best kiss the jockey. That's it's spider-man That's all I know about this guy. I was like, oh man. This is well He's probably upset his parents died when he was young He's got that and then yeah the more I learned and then Todd Phillips is in the book too

That's what made me think is not so is it so this is all like a biographer basically, like digging into these. No, she wrote the book. She was like my journey running. This is what he was doing. Poker got you. Got you. Got you. She was like the assistant to some rich Hollywood fuck.

And he brought her to run the games. And then she got in with like Toby McGuire. Apparently Leo came and Toby got Leo to come and yeah. But Leo is also apparently like didn't talk to anybody and just put his headphones on the entire time while he was playing poker I've heard a head for the story about Leo What is it oh dude it's a fuck Time to pretend he listens to time to pretend while I can like someone who's wearing like basically young women. I mean Time to pretend. He listens to Time to Pretend while like someone who's wearing like basically this. Extremely young women. I mean, I don't get it. Time to pretend, dude.

What in... She's 27. It's time to pretend she's 27. No, younger. I'm saying she's 18. He's pretending. Oh, that's right. He's trying to pretend that she's 18. He's trying to pretend she's 27, but she is 18. The whole thing is very strange. The Leo thing, I don't get it. I love Leo. He's such an incredible actor.

He's got great instincts. He's actually a very, very smart guy. But yeah, his personal life, it's weird. I think we need to call a spade a spade. It is. And it's also one of those things where I think Bill Barr is like another avowed kind of like, yeah, I fucked 19 year olds and I'm 65. And he's like, he's older than that. I think he's like 67, bro. He might even, he might be pushing 70 actually. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And he, it's another one where it's like, yeah, it's, it is weird. It is definitely weird, dude, because the mental difference

is crazy. Yeah, I mean, we're talking like order, like statistical, like think about how many standard deviations away you are from that person. It's like you're an immortal vampire at that point. You're 70 talking to an 18-year-old. To an 18-year-old girl. You're kind of babysitting her.

Absolutely you are. There's no question. I don't know, man. And if it's like, girl, you're kind of babysitting her. Absolutely you are. There's no question. I don't know. And if it's like, dude, like you could be like, I can make a, you know, I can make a geometric case for their breasts. It's like, all right, dude, well, like, dude, just stop being such a pervert. Go Jack off. You don't have to date an 18 year old.

Just go jerk off. You don't have to like try to make it a lifestyle. I love this because this is a very just natural way of us like, you know, bringing ourselves to being like, yeah, you know, there's actually really something about you should just get married, bro. Just get married, be normal. Being normal is good. It's actually a good thing. People who aren't normal are fucking weirdos. And I mean, you know, you and I are in a unique position where you actually probably eventually get to meet some of these famous people that you see or other. Or you get to just hear little things that are not coming out in the public. And you're like, oh yeah, there's a real cost to this, isn't there? And I'm like, I'm not really sure. I'm like, I don't want to fuck with this.

This is not the way that I choose to live my life. And I don't really want to be associated with that. Well, dude, there comes a point where you're either involved in this, like, you know, because yeah, you're absolutely right. Because you get to, like, you know, they're like the rarefied heir of, like, Hollywood and all that stuff. And it does turn into, like, a diabolical power game. And it's like, we all have those instincts to participate in some level

But there are people who give their entire lives to like you know like looking at another guy's car or be being like he got What project fucking motherfucker? Yeah, where's my 19 year old girlfriend? I need a fucking your pussy Weird Consumers like idolatry of the self yes like everything that like everything that I've learned in life is just like, all of that is horrible and it's bad. There's a good political thing to this too. If you stay in Washington, the thing is lots of people who are young come to Washington, 22, 23 years old, wide eyed, bushy tailed, all of that.

Most people burn out by 27. So I'm like in my mid thirties now. And so I'm in the cohort, like we made it like the people who actually got the job stayed in the lifestyle and all that. But this is also, you know, there's this cringe show, but how I met your mother and there's a very important concept that Barney lays out in that show where he's like relationships and I think life is like this have off ramps like an exit where it's like Relationships is like one year three year five year ten year twenty five 25, something like that. And if you look statistically, he's not wrong in terms of like when divorces and breakups and all that stuff happen.

But for you for like professional DC or honestly any career where it requires you to give fucking everything to it. But then you start to see one of the most important pieces of advice I got was like, look at where you are and then look at the guy who's 10 years in that same path. And I was in the White House briefing room, for example, and I was looking around, I'm like, wait a second, I don't want to be any people. I get the fuck out of here. Yeah, this is I'm like, if we're on this track, I'm like, this is a bad track.

What was the White House briefing? What do you do? Is that like when you sit and ask questions? Yeah, that's where well, I didn't even get to sit. I had to stand like a bitch in the corner. But excuse me. So you're like just yelling questions. that's where, well, I didn't even get to sit. I had to stand like a bitch in the corner. But, yeah. Oh, excuse me. So you're like just yelling questions. It's horrible, man.

Yeah, so actually I'm hopeful with the new administration that we can change some of this up. So the way it works is that the White House Correspondents Association is like a cartel. And even though it's unofficial, they run everything. So all the briefing room seats are assigned by the White House Correspondents Association. I was working for the Daily Caller at the time,

which is like a conservative media outlet. And if you want a seat, you have to apply. And applying takes years to get a new seat. And so if you don't have a seat, then obviously you have to get there early. So I would get there hours early, ahead of time, just to be able to stand in the hallway, like on the side. And you're literally crammed in up against all

these different people. There's all this jockeying and there's like foreigners. It's like the stock market kind of in a way. Literally it looks, it's like a movie, right? And then you just sit there and you kind of like poke your hand. I was lucky because I'm tall. So I actually get my hand above. There was a short girl behind me and she was like, can I get in front of you?

I'm like, sorry, bitch. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, I was here at 5 a.m. It's a doggy dog world. Like get here earlier. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. That's the part. That's what I'm talking about, though.

I don't want to be that person that actually sucks Yeah, or there was this girl who she's like I am shooting a documentary I'm from England and all this and I was just wondering if I get my shot I'm like, yeah, but if you get your shot, I'm gonna get my questions It's like and then my boss is gonna chew my ass out. So it's just not gonna happen Yeah, it's like and you don't want to be in that mind space is more what I'm saying So that's that's probably takes a toll It does take a toll Hollywood finance politics all these other things all function the same way in that if you want more what I'm saying. So that's probably. It takes a toll. It does take a toll. I think Hollywood, finance, politics,

all these other things all function the same way in that if you want to be in the top 0.1% of your field, you have to give everything to it. And that's it. There's no other choice. And people should be real with that. So if you're listening and you're thinking, oh, I really want to do something like that,

just understand what it takes. Understand what it actually takes to get there. Oh, dude. Yeah. For sure. Dude, it's funny because I'm viewing schools now and it's kind of related. So I'm looking at schools for my daughter, she's going into kindergarten next year. So we're like looking at it and it's like dude schools now are and I think it's good

but they're what I've been seeing it's like they're educating people to like do something for everybody to like bring something to the world rather than like you know we were in school is more like yeah build yourself up so that you're a high-value Individual that you can just take resources for yourself and just you know like fuck off And it's like yeah, but the problem is is like they sold everyone that dream But the reality is is like most people aren't going to get those well And it's most people gonna be doctors most people don't want to do that true

You don't want like for I'm Indians on a lot of doctors It's like do you want to know how hellish medical school is? Be real whenever you like for real Do you want to spend eight years in school four years making shit money with? $300,000 in debt working 89 days hours a week getting shit on by the attending physicians then Hoping hoping and praying that you get you know your placement or whatever for the next job So by the time you're my age you can finally get your first paycheck Oh, but fuck you, even though you get your first nice paycheck,

90% of that is gonna be going to clearing off of all of your medical debt. And you've lived 10 years, you're probably now addicted to smoking, food, like some vice of some, there's no way, again, you know this too, when you work really hard, like it takes it all from you. You're gonna be addicted to energy drinks,

nicotine, whatever, like you need something. It's not possible to do it natural. It's true, it's true. I've gone back and forth and it's like I'm like no I don't need anything and I had like a pretty harsh caffeine phase for myself. I'm like sensitive to it Yeah, I had to stop that cuz I wasn't sleeping. But how do you because you travel a lot? Yeah, that's brutal I've recently it sucks. I've recently introduced melatonin. I'm a very like natural type I don't want to take anything but I've succumbed to just like interesting just Warning about melatonin though. Yeah, so Andrew Huberman says not to take melatonin. I know man I know it's not good. I know it's not right

It was something about something he said like the label on the bottle can be anywhere between like 2% and 100 and a thousand percent of what's actually in there what yeah, and he said something don't take my word for it But it was something along the lines of, I've seen them give melatonin to rats and it shrivels their balls. So he's like, I think that it messes with testosterone. Enough said, I'm done. So my opinion, you should stay off.

I'm off it, I'm off it. Stay off the melatonin. I'm off it. It is a, as soon as I started taking it, I was like, I get why Michael Jackson had a guy with like an IV in his arm. I'm like, dude, I'm so sorry. That was a whole other level, man.

That's like, what was it, Propofil? Propofil, it was Propofil his arm. I'm like, dude, that was a whole other level, man. That's like pro, what was it? Propofil? Propofil. It was propofil. But you start to like, dude, it's like, you're just sitting there reading a book and all of a sudden the melatonin just starts to like weigh. You're like a stone statue.

Then you're just like, Did you read about this Matthew Perry thing? Oh, so fucked up. So what actually happened to him? So, I mean, it's really sad. I read his book actually after he died. And Perry was obvious. Everybody knows he was a drug addict. But you know, it's really sad. I read his book, actually, after he died. And Perry was, obviously, everybody knows he was a drug addict.

But his parents, it turns out his mom was like the press secretary for Justin Trudeau's dad when he was a prime minister. Yeah, he was actually, and apparently he beat the shit out of Justin Trudeau when they were kids, which is wild. Matthew Perry beat up Justin Trudeau? Matthew Perry beat up Justin Trudeau.

That's kind of bossing. Yeah, it is cool. But so Perry, it turns out, when he was like a really little baby and he was crying, his parents would give him like benzos, like benzodiazepine. What? Like really fucked. And he was like, yeah, some of my parents funniest stories is about me as a baby just sitting there like drooling out of my mouth when they were plugging me full of benzos because I was crying. He was like colicky. And so his theory of why he's

so fucked up and addicted to drugs was because at a very early age that he had benzos. And he's talked about how the very first time he ever felt like anything was good in this world was when he was drunk at 14 years old. And that was the rat race. And then he becomes a fucking hundred millionaire, centimillionaire, whatever, from Friends.

And that's why you can see his weight wildly fluctuate on the show, because he was either drunk or he was on pills or he was on Oxy. But dude, the thing is with Perry is he died fluctuate on the show because he was either drunk or he was on pills or he was on Oxy. But dude, the thing is with Perry is he died of a ketamine overdose, I believe. And Los Angeles District Attorney filed this case against a so-called ketamine queen and they have text messages in there of the doctor and the girl who was selling him all this illegal ketamine being like, how much can we take this rich asshole for you know?

Thousands of dollars per hit of ketamine of which they're buying. It's not very chill you get a mean community deeply Exploitative shit like really bad. I have a horrible. I have a lot of people are really into ketamine I have a very kind of like weird thing because I knew a lot of like Evil hippies who are like oh, yeah like, they got addicted to that shit. They used to call it hippie heroin. What's it called? K-hole, right? K-hole, yeah. Dude, before it became mainstream, it was known, people were like, oh, it's hippie heroin.

Because they would nod out. What does it do? Because I thought that it helps... Dissociative. But there's the depression aspect, there's the therapeutic aspect. And apparently he'd been having ketamine in a therapeutic setting, but then I guess he got addicted to that. And that's why he died in That hot tub man because yeah, dude, and it was like his assistant his little drug assistant They were working to procure him drug and charge him thousands of dollars because they were ripping this guy off

That's not right there. It's called custody and someone out there You treat him custody prices. Yeah, it's not a good thing to do. But yeah, I ever people who swear by it They're like if you do like because you can do like you know they like they make like little lozenges and stuff You could like lay there my brother's all about it. He's like you lay there He's a big K guy big K guy big special K guy He was really selling me on it And it was like you know I'm like and I get like if you're laying there It's like a 30-minute ordeal you come out of it. He's like it is it's good

It's like you know well But then there's doctors like will prescribe you a little bit like you can just kind of have it to kind of like because you can either like get into a k-hole or just kind of Take the edge off and I knew like these dudes that would just snort K Constantly, but if you snort too much then you'll just be sitting there like the other K that I see signs for everywhere And I actually don't know what it is. This crate is a crate. I'm great. I'm great. What is kratom? It's a C signs for this everywhere CBD. Yeah, so kratom. I don't know a single person who ever used kratom I don't know what kratom is. I just know it exists, but it's everywhere. It's literally everywhere It's every gas station in America. Gas stations sell like drugs, like full on, they sell drugs or you can sell weed legally at gas stations now

It's dude they did it. It's the hemp farm bill allowed THCA which is weed the active ingredients THC. Is that the same as a spice or whatever? No. So spice is a synthetic. So it's like if you take delta 9, tetrahydro, whatever it's called, there's the exact molecule. That's illegal. Spice is like, let's remove a couple of carbon molecules

and a hydrogen. And now it's very similar, but it's illegal because it's not technically the same stuff. It's like an analog or whatever you want to call it. So what Kratom is, well with the THCA stuff, it's like it, TH, like weed picked off the plant is THCA because there's a carbon molecule. That's why if you have to make brownies, you have to heat the weed up to decarboxylate it. And that's what like THC is illegal, but THC is legal. So now you

can grow hemp, which is just weed, with THCA, which is just THC, and it's legal. And you can sell it at a gas station it makes it's completely schizophrenic it makes no sense it makes no sense but I mean I think it's sick you can mail it right to your house but really oh yeah you can just get it mailed right to you. Are you a big weed guy? I was for the longest time. I can smell weed in here you know. It wasn't me? Okay. It wasn't me I know you hate it it wasn't me. Yeah yeah. That was you bro you were blazing being a soccer rip. I like that. Don't put misinformation out there The moment my woman I came down here my nostrils flared. I didn't want to say anything. I did suspect you I'm not gonna lie. I immediately suspected you I was a big weed guy since I was like in high school through college, but you quit right?

So it's a story I cut it out But here's the thing it becomes too much especially when you have kids It's like I just can't I can't be high. I can tell that to more people. Yeah some people claim but like for me personally, it's like having like a like a Like a weird panic attack in a playground. Yeah, not serving your family Oh fuck dude, that's gotta be brave for my daughter. Everybody says it's chill. It's chill dude. It's totally chill Dude, the thing is the weeds different the weed is so strong. Thank you. Please I have I have dude. I've literally I was selling weed from 2008 up until whatever pretty embarrassing recently, but the

Whatever Maybe 2009 is we I knew a guy who got, it's totally, it's medical. Okay. I knew a guy who got caught with coke in, outside of the, you know, whatever, Delaware County. Uh-huh. And apparently they, the Delaware, or whatever township police called the Philadelphia PD and like we called this guy with cocaine.

We also think he's been buying weed from Philadelphia and Philly PD just went, hung up on him. He was in the room. He was like in trouble for it mean to be fair. They have like actual problems. Yes murders Yeah, and they were just like he's like dude. They ha the Philly PD hung up on Like dude, we don't care about that, but it is dude with the dabs it has become drugified so I like watched weed develop for years like very close to it and it was like It became a thing that was like, dude, this is like, dude, like, you know, it was like, everyone talks about this,

like in the 70s it was like 7% THC, and you get like 14, 15, it was like, wow, dude, it's like 30, some of them are like 28 to 30%. And it's too much. And they also, the percentage was, that are sold to you, it's kind of like what I just said about melatonin, you have no idea whether that's correctly in there or not. So yeah, let's stay off the weed. Let me that also allow me a weed diet tribe. That's fine. I'll give you one

I what my thing is now it's like so now they're starting to regrow it and introduce like the Grow it so it's like only 7% with CBD. Okay, and that's very relaxing. It's not a psychoactive It just really can like make you it's like the founding father weed that's like the hemp George Washington smoke oh is it okay it's very chill you're not like you might get like you know well he was doing opium too do you think other people was he doing opium of course they all were doing opium back then I didn't know that painkillers happen yeah true I guess you know that's a forbidden part of the 1900s and nobody ever talks about the shocking number of opium and cocaine addicts that yeah up until like the 1920s

Incredible amount of society was addicted to morphine opium. Yeah, okay You could get it readily across the counter a lot of the doctors were going to prison because they were coke addicts and they're prescribing Cocaine to different people. It's actually pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah, you can get it in prison You can get like opium in prison in like the 20s. I think you could order it on commissary Wow I think so I just read I read a book about like an old like a burglar from like 1890s. It's probably not a bad way to spend time, you know, if you're already locked up. Yeah, you can just gobble it up. You can just take, yeah exactly. You can just gobble it up. I think it was like either the guards were selling it, but I remember the guy was saying in the book he just ordered some opium from the truck.

Well, it wasn't illegal for a long time. Yeah, I mean it took a long time because there was a lot of it's the same problems We have now like opium addicts at the time that it's like for a while. They're an opium They can't afford opium you start robbing people to pay for your opium and that's like they're like, okay We gotta get rid of yeah, this is a problem. The cratum now is it create them is a It's not so what is it? Opium it's a plant. It's a natural plant, but it has this is what they say about it's natural. It's natural Yeah, yeah, it's natural. What do you just talk about the cross players with this? Yes Percent now it's like that's not fucking that exactly that you're as natural as the red tomato in a grocery store

I totally agree. I think they've totally they've ruined weed now. It's called type 2 cannabis They're walking it back and I think that cuz dude, I couldn't I would just like freak out. I'm like this sucks This isn't fun at all or I do think though And this is like a it's I do like saying this people's people get very like bullyish with weed It'll be like dude fucking five milligram. I could take a 50 mil. It's like this cuz you're dumbass You don't have anything going on in your brain So you're like you've actually cooked so much of your IQ off that you no longer have the IQ to know I'm saying naturally

They're a dumbass. Oh already always been people who do like 200 milligram edibles. It like yeah, cuz you're a fucking dumbass. You don't have anything going on in your mind You're just sitting there like you're like gonna make a dog gets a brownie. You're just kind of like Or you metabolize it differently. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, but dude, you have to create them They do snag people with the natural stuff, but it's like it mimics opiates So people will use it to get off of like you could be sick for methadone heroin if it was a plant But it also is different like if you take a little bit, it's energizing if you take a lot It's like you ate like four percocets dude and people get addicted to it man No, I do know that that's why I brought it up because there is a lot of this weird stuff that like kratom

Obviously weed now with the mass legalization and nobody ever talks about you know If you look at the weed graph like over 20% of weed users are using it on a multi-daily basis. So that is like, imagine if 20% of people who drank alcohol drank like straight liquor all day, every day. That's not even close. What is the percentage of people who drink alcohol daily?

Who are daily drinkers? I think it's like seven to 8%. Actually, by the way, I'm not putting alcohol off the, it's really bad. People who are alcoholics, it ruins your life. You know, it will kill you early There's all this stuff and actually if weed and alcohol almost all vices actually Have the same effect where between like seven it's like the Pareto principle where seven twenty percent can be responsible for eighty Percent and so twenty percent of weed users consume almost all of the weed because they're using it every single day and it's extremely high THC and it's psychoactive. Anybody who knows anybody's

ever owned a liquor store it's like the vast majority of your sales are going to the same like alcoholics honestly it's really sad. Yeah and then gambling is the same way like a huge percentage of casino returnees like you know every people go to Vegas and they have fun, but like, if you have ever spent time in a casino, like, the people that come every single day are just like pissing their lives off. It makes you really sad.

That's the saddest part. It's so sad. Like, that is really sad. It's so sad. When you see, especially the old people there, and you're like, damn, your kids stopped talking to you, you've worked your whole life. Do you have sports gambling advertisers, do you?

Oh, big time, yeah. Oh, do you? You can talk whatever you want. OK, all right. Well, then I'll say it. It's all about free speech. Well, yeah. You think I'm going to respect the strict speech in the podium?

All right. Sorry, DraftKings and FanDuel and all these other people. It's not those two we want. OK, good. All right. Well, here you go. We've definitely had that before. Oh, have you?

Say whatever you want. OK. All right. I'm not worried about that. Well, I don't want to get you in trouble, but you know. Can't get me in trouble? I have become totally convinced. By the way, I don't put cars on the table.

I actually like to go to the casino. I think casino gambling is really fun, but I think it's very important that I have to go to the casino to a physical location. The stats right now on sports gambling, it's just like weed, all vices, disaster. If you look at the amount of money that is being sucked out of people's pockets, it's horrible. So in this this in September in New Jersey alone, New Jersey betters lost $200 million in gambling online in full online gambling. They lost 400 million they were gambling on sports and a total of 900 million in a single month of September. Jess if you include also casinos. So you can see that almost half of the money that New

Jersey betters lost by the way, Jersey's not that fucking big. So we just talked about a billion dollars got sucked out of the market. People Jersey betters lost. By the way, Jersey's not that fucking big. So we just talked about a billion dollars that got sucked out of the market. People are addicted to sports gambling, man. It's terrible. And the other thing is, if I studied, I went and I read a little bit about how casinos operate. And casino profits, like the amount that they take,

is called the hold, like on a game. And the hold for DraftKings, FanDuel, and all these others is way higher because traditional gamblers in casinos, they'll bet the money line or they'll bet the spread, but these retards on sports gambling are buying and doing all these parlays that get algorithmically pushed. You have no fucking chance of winning your parlay. Sorry, sorry, you're not going to win your parlay. And don't ask me, check the stats and look at the profits for where all these people are coming from. So, dude, mass sports gambling has been a fucking disaster. Like you've seen domestic violence has gone up in the places where it is.

Bankruptcies are up. You're seeing a huge amount of credit card debt. Twenty five percent increase amongst the people where it is legal. And actually, I just read an article about Brazil yesterday where basically it's a social transfer program where the government is cutting checks to working-class people. Those people are gambling almost 40% of their paychecks away on a consistent basis. So it's like a mass wealth transfer that's happening right now and yeah I mean sadly because you can do it online just imagine if you could take your phone out and there was an app on

your phone where you could drink alcohol. Do you know how popular that app would be? Imagine, yeah. Or Seat Naked Girls. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, that's a big one. We'll get to that next. We're going to come next. This is going to be the Killjoy podcast. But imagine if you could like suck marijuana from an app that was out of your phone. People will be addicted to that. That gambling is honestly worse than both of those. It's a double addiction because the phone's addictive. Yes, exactly.

And then you put addiction on top of an addictive device. So you have algorithms, you have phones, and you have money that is now at stake. Every single state where this has happened, it's been an absolute nightmare. And all you have to do, the thing is, is that the gambling companies, legally, they have to disclose all of this.

So all you have to do is go and read their profit and loss statements and look how much of this is coming from the parlay bets. It's the vast majority of their profits and yet you idiots keep signing up for it. And I get that it's fun, but it's not funny whenever your wife is like, Hey baby, can we buy these berries for our child? And you're like, Oh, I actually pissed it all away on a parlay last night. And you know, you have guys who are, you know, you've seen this explosion and people are like, I'm gambling on on women's softball or in Korea and I'm like bro you have a problem yeah yeah you have a problem that's always yeah people like

that's degenerate yeah yeah the world literally World Series like you're degenerate you are a degen bro and this is okay this is my case I think gambling should be legal I think but it should only mean casinos because one of my favorite parts about going to the casino is you meet the characters, right? You go to the crap table and you see a guy who hasn't showered in three days and has got his colostomy bag on. And by the way, he will teach you how to roll the dice.

And so shout out to that man for showing me, ever showing me how to do it. But seeing him, I'm like, I don't ever want to be even sent in the same like universe of like whatever this dude is But you can't see that when you're on the couch You don't understand you're the sucker last thing on this that I found out from Nate Silver's book Is that if you are any good at sports gambling you're banned and so that's kind of fucked up So if you win consistently on DraftKings or on FanDuel, they will cap your bet size to like $2 They're like, oh you're allowed to like $2. They're like, Oh,

you're allowed to bet $2 and 14 cents. Yes. And, but you know what? And then people are like, I'm actually really good at sports gambling. I'm like, Oh, how you been on the app? They're like three years. I'm like, you're not any good at sports gambling. I'm like, it would have been Jurassic. That's everyone. No, I'm like breaking even basically. It's like, well, first of all, you need to win 52% of your bets just to beat the house because 2% is the vague that goes to the yeah Yeah, but then over that it's like the look you're not winning if you're still gambling consistently on the apps You have not won and there you're the sucker

That's just you know They should do an easy amendment to this that wouldn't be such a money suck is that when you lose your gambling money It's held from you for six months. They get to make money on the interest and then they send it back to you So you're like be nice're like momentarily penalized. I just read in New York. I mean, why would they do that? They would be like, fuck you. How about we keep all of it and make interest off it?

These guys are making the biggest killing in the planet. And the best part is all the states are doing it too, because they want the money. But the thing is, look, they're going to pay for it, because it's one of those where you're getting this fake tax revenue. But yeah, when you have to come and send cops to Johnny's house because he went fucking broke and he beat up his wife or his girlfriend or whatever, you're paying for that.

Yeah, he's blowing off some steam. Parlay goes down, he's going to house one of those plastic bottles of whiskey from Costco and we all know what happens next. It is weird that like when like, like is like when jobs are scarce like it Just people does end up beating up girls like if there's not good stuff going on people like well I guess I have to beat up a girl now it happens across like every culture It's every culture actually a lot of people got mad at me on the show because I was talking about it was enjoying one of Our immigration debates. I think you talked about it a little bit actually on your show and And I was just like look look, and by the way, just full

disclosure, I married into an Irish family from Philadelphia. So I have no discrimination against the Irish. But what I'm saying is back in the day, I think it was reasonable to be like, well, you know, all these people are coming over here and they drank a lot of whiskey. And so here's the, nobody knows this. The very first thing that women did whenever they voted was ban alcohol. That's why the temp, the temperance movement was entirely driven by women. And if it was the reason why is cause they were getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by their drunk ass husbands who were drinking a liter of whiskey per day on average to deal with, you know, the industrial revolution and all this.

But it was also, let let's let's be honest It was part of our culture, right? Yeah, and so but and so that that just people don't forget is like that for some reason It's intrinsic like alcohol gambling and beating the shit out of your wife. It's it's just a package deal It's one big you are signing up for that. Yeah, you are a hundred percent Yeah, it's just the impulse is ruling the roost and then eventually the curtain closes and you're like, right. Yeah, well really what I think it is is just somebody for the first time is showing the reality of what you've done. Where you can rationalize your parlays away, you can rationalize all this, but the very first time like I just said, we're like, hey, can we pave to go see,

I don't know, like I want to go see my mom next week or whatever. Can I get a flight? And they're like, no, we literally don't have a flight. Yeah, and or the ultimate being like I told you the chiefs aren't gonna kick a It what is funny there is a huge cuz you know my whole I'm all like Irish Catholic doubt And it's like yeah like we exceeding someone fall at a wedding. I'm like yeah It's like it's so normal and like my wife would like cry. That's not really like that's so sad. I'm like dude Family or not like people fall at weddings. It is what it is I did see a really funny tweet like you know I Left Dublin and I moved I forget where they moved like somewhere in South America or something and they're like and what I thought was

We were all having a good time. It turns out. We're just crippling alcohol. Yeah Yeah, like family beach trips were just like adults hammered for seven days and I just be like All right, then the kids would get hammered they would pass out beach culture is weird I'll tell you this I had no exposure to it because I grew up here But I went to like I think went to Rehoboth which is like the nice beach, right? But even then I'm like man, these ladies are hammering Tito's at like 9 a.m. In the morning Oh, yeah, there's some crazy shit going down East Coast Beach culture is like getting it's like Quiet that's not like as like cool like margaritaville. It's just people just quietly quietly DJ

My uncle's yeah, my uncle's be like they would all joke maybe like man He's gonna crack the first one and I'll give a shit I'll do it just crack of course like now they don't you drink on the beaches like that really yeah They're taking a lot of people doing it well Solo cups that's what I'm saying they used to and they'll still come around and police you. I grew up going to Sea Isle and you do do just beers, whatever. Now it's like you have to have a cup and they'll come around if you have alcohol in your cup, they'll write you a fine because everyone's going to drink on the beach. Of course they are. Yeah. See, see, and this is where my like nanny state instincts kind

of like, all right, well, fuck off. All right. People are also on the beach and that's just a money grab for whatever. We need rules. But really what it is like, all right. Well, fuck off. All right. They have people are also on the beach and you that's just a money grab for We need rules but really what it is like when you just need a better we need a better culture around this stuff because No, we just got to acknowledge the downsides, right? That's that's all I'm asking Everybody's asking like sports gambling is the greatest thing ever. It's about freedom. You're gonna get and look at their ads, right? They're gonna get rich. You join free $15 freedom you're gonna get and look at their ads right though you're gonna get rich you join free $15 Nah, we'll give you $500 for five bucks $500 deposit

I'm like once again bro like have you ever been to a casino that shit doesn't get built based on winners like 99% of people walk out of there are fucking losers the odds that are you is almost 99% So I think the gambling companies would be happier doing this because they do do that little disclaimer like by the way guys if you know In case you yeah but that's mostly bullshit and a lot of it is because they're Required by the state to put it in there and then what the states do is they take part of these losses and they fund These gambling some but it's like you are the receipt the look the rise in sports gambling addiction has created the need for these gambling addiction centers

So it's like just don't have it in the first place. Well, the weirdest part about gambling addiction is that it's not even about winning or losing. Like, I forget, I read some book. Yeah, they like when they lose. That's the craziest part. That's the fucked up part. They love it when they lose. Or it's more like the flow state of just being like,

it's not the winning or losing, it's just going from thing to thing, and you're just, your brain's totally focused on something. Again, I get it, I like it. I love to play Bacharach. I don't like to gamble. I've never, I'm just filled with anxiety the whole time. When I win. I love games of chance. Poker is more actually, I think it. I like it. I love to play Bachra. I don't like to gamble I've never I'm just filled with anxiety the whole time when I love games of chance poker is more actually I think I could justify poker because I wouldn't even really call it gambling

Although it is technically like kind of a game of chance, but there's a lot of strategy Yeah, obviously like the famous rounders quote. It's like the same ten people may end up at the finals for a reason It's not a game of fucking chance Whereas if you go to blackjack competitions or Bachra competitions, you get lucky. That's how it works. I see the appeal of both, but there is something. This is where I'll flip the script, man. The magic of the cards. Like when the Bachara thing, you're like nine, nine, nine, nine. You're just sitting there to that moment. The anticipation and it's fun. And when you hit it, oh my God, it's so fun. Yeah. It's unbelievable. I play like $15 tables in Charlestown, West Virginia, next to toothless Chinese women who are

getting their Chinese ash. I prefer, honestly, I'd rather be around them. I love them. Shout out to the, yeah. You always want to gamble with Chinese. If you're playing Bacharot, Chinese and Vietnamese, they know what's up. That's a good idea. That's a good call. And the less teeth they have, the more, the more good at the game they are. They have patience. They know what's up. That's a good idea. That's a good call. And the less teeth they have, the more they're more good at the game they are. They have patience. They have all these superstitions about dragons and colors. And that's the thing, though, man, because I was like sitting there one time backstage at a comedy show and they're like playing dice, like in the green room

is like this little box. And I was like, it is just people interacting with magic. People are attracted to gambling. It's it's just magic. It's like a divine thing. You're like, oh, and everybody craps is also definitely most fun in the game, the casino, although it is minus EV every single bet on the craps table. So but when you play, the magic of it is the crowd's game because I love craps gurus, right? Like I was talking about the diabetic guy and he's like, he's a

yeah, he threw it over here, threw it over here. It's like the first time throws to the right, he's going to roll seven, which means we all get fucked. So he was like, he's like, he about to roll that, take your bet off fucked so it was like he's like he about to roll that take your bet off and I was like all right got it got he was right dude I yeah my only thing they know something my only time playing craps a guy was like just do what I do and I was up $1,300 very quickly shit very quickly hundred very quickly whoa and I was just playing higher stakes than I am I was just drunk and then if I got cocky I was like I know what's going on as soon as I start doing my own bets

Yeah, I was back down to 600. I just picked it up. I was like, thank you, sir And just walk I was like I'm fucking you left up. That's you know, I will do that I'm ruthless at a casino if I win a hundred bucks. I'm out. I'm like, give me the fuck out of here I just want a hundred bucks could be 200. That's to me. I'm like, yeah, I get so disgusted when I lose Feeling I get I just I'm like I think about just them just like taking the time I spent into work and life, especially when I was just working a job where I was like, I could be like, oh, that was a day of my life. And I would just think of that just getting sucked into a vault

with just a huge chamber of money. To pay for free drinks for these fat alcoholics who are like... It would kill me. Just sitting in the slot machine like... No, it would fucking kill me. The worst part is, I don't really gamble much anymore. But it was like when I first did it, I was in Vegas for my cousin's bachelor party. And he was like, you know, do this, do that. And I won the first four times I gambled. I won. What game was it?

Blackjack. And I would just win. I would win like... Very high variance game though, that's the problem. You get fucked so easily. Dude, I'd win like $200. And I'd I just get like the fuck out and I would spend all my code was every every dollar I won gambling I'd spend it on everyone around me immediately And it worked you gotta spread the love you gotta get the half you need the luck just exactly and then like I tipped the dealers Heavily and then like I like was like I think I'm good at blackjack and I instantly lost like $700 so so fast, dude Oh, yeah, the fat like 15 minutes

I was just oh, yeah That's that's what they do because it's a high variance game and they know they can wipe you out way before you're gonna wipe them Oh, what they want to do is just deal all those hands per hour and Already blackjack. I think blackjack is a 51 49 game. I'm pretty sure even with perfect base Are you playing basic strategy like perfect? No, I don't There's a guy. Yeah, no idea. There'd be guys like dude. You You got a hit and I'm like, no, I'm sure they get mad at you Actually, if you don't play basic strategy correctly because if you fuck it up You're gonna fuck the whole shoe up for the entire table. And so they get very upset

I they were very they were very displeased with me, but I was like, bro. This is not my bra We're not on a team is not sharing your money. No, this is Jen pop shit We're not on a fucking team. We're not just putting this money. This is my call. And I know what it is a team because if you fuck the math up and he's going to hit it, he's going to get the wrong card because he's playing math and you're not. And so that's what screws, but Dana White has a theory. Yeah. Dana White is like, sometimes you got to go to war with the shoe and you got to, you got to, he's like, youadging on the shoe. I was like, I don't really think that's how math works, but I mean, he's super rich right to the camera.

Yeah. I heard he likes to gamble. Oh, he's heavily. Me and my friends who like to go to the casino, we will hype ourselves up with Dana White clips. Yeah. Cause he has a love of the game. He's like, you know, I'm rich as hell. I can get on the jet and I can go anywhere else. If my kids are gone, I'm going to casino. Yeah. He's just like, that's what I, he's like, that's what I do. It's what I do. It's just scary.

Once you're that rich, you have to play with big sums to excite yourself. He plays for millions. Like I think he, he said his dream is to play one million dollars per hand on Baccarat, a million dollars a hand. He said, I think the highest he's gotten is like 300,000. To be fair, one of the reasons they probably gotten is like 300,000. To be fair, one of the reasons they probably won't let him and that's one of the reasons I like Bacharot is

Bacharot is an actual 50 50. So the house edge is like 0.05%. So you actually have pretty, I mean, you have like good odds, but like better than fucking blackjack for sure. Yeah. Any of these, especially crap, crap is a shit show. It's most fun game in the casino, but every single one of the games, like I said, is minus CV. you're almost certainly gonna lose money like whenever you play especially in the long enough timeline so if you do win like you just get out of there get out if you're up like if you have a hundred and you want 200 get get the fuck out immediately yeah same with roulette do not play triple zero roulette that is the biggest scam in the entire casino which triple zero so on roulette you knowlette, you know, they, if you could just bet black or red, the way that the house

has its edge is in the old days, they had a green zero. So after a while, the casino execs were like, what if we had two zeros? We're like, maybe these idiots in Vegas and you know, people are drunk and they're like, oh, there's only two zeros. I don't even think about the zero. The math goes from like 49% or whatever to like the house edge goes from like one or 2% to like 7%. And then after a while, they couldn't add three zeros.

So they added like whatever the casino. No, they added a third one. So they go zero, then double zero. And then they have like the MGM logo on the wheel. So now the edge is like 11%. I thought you were saying they added one zero one zero and then a third, but it was a double zero. No, no. So there's a zero, then there's a double zero and then there'll be so like MGM or Caesars or just a blank space. You're just pissing your money away. Like people, you know, you know, there's the meme. It's like if you win, you're like put it all in black or whatever. Well, check the zeros because if there's triple zero you're fucked all right. Yeah, yeah, I got odds dude That's the way you know what I've done though with with a poker or not poker

Um the last couple times I've been in a casino environment for like stand-up or something a lot of times I give you chips something I've had fun. Yeah, they'll be like they'll give you like couple just let me know the dates I'll come with yeah Give like a hundred bucks. We'll give like a hundred. Oh, yeah, you can break that down Turn it into a 150 Yeah, I'll give like a hundred bucks. We'll give like a hundred. Oh, yeah, you can break that down Dude what I started doing is when they give me chips I put it on I go to roulette or blackjack I put it all on one hand and if it wins I give it to the dealer. So here you go I love that that's good. It's kind of if I lose ago. Hey, man, you know, whatever feels good that does Yeah, I mean they make I'm doing you know the people they have to deal with like what a shitty job

I'm sure they make a lot of money something at least some of them, but yeah, not only the good ones, but With the absolute like dregs of especially like at you know at their worst like fucking up and like well I hate that too when people get mad at the dealers and it's your fault I know that guy sucks. I'm just like dude fuck you, but then you also don't really want to do anything You're like this guy's kind of crazy. So I'm not going to be a whole white knight. Like, you put your hands on maybe. But like, you know, up until now, you're like,

can we get security over here? Yeah, dude, it's a, I've never got bit by the gambling bug, man. That's good. I tried to be a bookie for a while. Whoa. I tried, and it was just like. Yeah, but where were you getting your lines from?

It was like, my friend knew another book. it was like a sub bookie thing where I was like sending them kind of just That's basically it was my job to like collect them all Which is your friends? It was just my friends and then like what about when they don't pay so here's what happened They were like I don't watch sports like that, so I didn't know what the fuck was going on So they were just if they lost they would call my and they I like they would leave me voicemails all weekend being like Put another one put it and they just kept doubling down doubling down doubling down And then eventually like some of my friends owed me money And I just got to the point where I was like I'm not taking your money for this and I just like told it

I was like I'm not doing this anymore. I just felt bad like if you like sell something to somebody Yeah, that's like yes, you gave me that but to be like yo that bears lost you owe me $250 just I was like and you actually have to collect it too. Yeah, and I was like, I don't want to do it. Yeah, exactly. That's the big thing, man. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, East Coast sports gambling culture has always been there.

I don't know. I mean, I grew up here. I don't remember thinking or hearing other parents. I guess I grew up in a Bible Belt area, so they wouldn't be doing it. But I don't remember a lot of money changing hands on college football. But now, these days, college football

is actually even more where the action is. I could see that, yeah action is because apparently it's like there's the mismatches or whatever There's like underdogs and you know for somebody who hates gambling. I know way too much about gambling. I had a love-hate relationship. That and weed too. You don't know a lot about weed though. I don't know a lot about the experience of weed, but I've read- Have you ever smoked weed? I think I smoked weed when I was very drunk when I was in college once. Okay.

And that's pretty much it. That makes sense. That's fair. What'd you blaze? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, dude, you're at a party. Blue dream. Somebody passes you whatever. It probably was fake. It was probably like not even marijuana.

It was like somebody's grass that he had boughten off of somebody else and got ripped off. Well, dude, the K2 is big in prison. That's like the stuff you're going I know that fucks be I friends that are like lose their minds. Is that right? Yes I have these guys, you know, they'll do anything like speedballs and shit I have friends that are like well the k2 is fucked up. Really there you're in jail You're looking at the county jail. You just blaze k2 and have like an absolutely satanic experience. He's like dude It's for real like terrifying. I think I saw some videos about that for some reason my YouTube feed has been pushing me a lot of prison content That's good. You can go down a serious rabbit hole It's awesome to prison tube shout out to Johnny Mitchell by the way the connect you should have him on your show

What do you do? He's a comedian? He's like six seven but he does this show called the connect where he interviews, he, when he went to jail for, as a weed dealer and he interviews like other people who were drug dealers and then also talks about their prison experience. So I actually did a show. He's an interesting, he actually likes politics. That's why we talked a little bit, but some of his content is really good. He interviews like, you know, like high level drug kingpins and he'll be like, tell me about the story, but then also also like what was it like to be in federal prison or whatever yeah what a nightmare I just finished a book about an LSD dealer who

got caught in the early 90s so he got sentenced for like 20 years for it never even got caught with acid it was just all he was doing Western yeah exactly got a conspiracy charge 20 years and it was during he was in jail during the race riot like the cracklaws sure and he had a altercation with the lieutenant like one of the guards and He's a white guy and when the crack riots happened It was more it was just black inmates having riots or doing riots and the lieutenant was like he was he incited the riot Sent him to fucking Marion, which is like a super max He had to do like I think like three years in Marion

Or he ended up only doing five years out of the 20 years right well I think everyone likes prison content because it's like what would I do exactly exactly I thought about that too I'm like well. I'm not white not black not Hispanic and everything you're another you'd be another you're another another That's what it's called, but how many are others are there not a lot the other Indians in prison gonna be like doctors for Medicare fraud But how many others are there? The other Indians in prison are going to be like doctors for Medicare fraud. Hello doc. I think it's called others. I think you're taking it like Inuit, Indian. Inuit? Actually they're probably pretty good right? They can fight. Exactly. Pretty jacked. But your numbers are not great.

No it's not good. So yeah. I think it's like I got so deep into prison shit. So then what would your strategy be? My strategy would be getting my parents put money on my books Yes, and then we pay the others for protection. That's the big thing you can do I my plan was always to pay the Muslim Brotherhood Oh, so you can pay the Muslim Brotherhood to protect but then it's like yeah It is like racial but I could fake it and I could just grow my beard and say that I was Muslim Yeah, you can get a good you get the Muslim diet too. Oh

I could just grow my beard and say that I was Muslim. Yeah, you can get a good you can get the Muslim diet too. Oh, you have to answer a few questions. The halal food is better. Yeah. Yeah. People do the kosher diet. That's a big thing. Really? You can prove like you're Jewish and you're allowed to switch your religion every like six months or so to get a different diet. I swear to God. I read that Ramsey Youssef, who was the he was the World Trade Center bomber, the 93 bomber. He apparently stayed in his cell for like 10

years straight whenever, because he refused to do a strip search because he said it violated his religion. But then apparently he was like, okay, I'm now converted to Christianity. But the apparent the warden and all of them don't believe him. So it's set up for, I don't really know what's going on, but I think he has started to like, he's finally left his cell after 13 years. He's a Christian now. Well, he claims he's Christian. Are they going to go about his butthole or like, he's like, all right, I'm ready. Well, I think you have to do like he's finally left his cell after 13 years to go. He's a Christian now. Well, he claims he's Christian. Are they going to go about his butthole or like, he's like, all right, I'm ready. Well, I think you have to do that thing with the squat

and cough or whatever. He refused to do it. He's like, I won't do it. So he literally, he did not leave his cell in Supermax in ADX Florence or whatever for like 13 years. Like it was totally crazy. And after 13 years, he's like, I'm being kind of stuck. I mean, it's understandable. It's like you spent 13 years you literally

haven't you have never left you're like okay that's so impressive I would have made 13 minutes and I'd like you know I'm gonna show this guy my asshole get it over with you know they say they sleep a lot that was the interesting yep that's a big one you can train yourself to sleep 12 hours a day but it's like what do you do all day you know even when you're awake like that just sounds you work out sleep a lot and in your cell Yeah, just right. Yeah, and it's the guy in the book. I read about the LSD dealer Joel blazer He was saying like he got schooled on like masturbation techniques whoa Yeah, like just nothing nothing hands-on you know he said he had never was a punk that was his term a punk

But he was like going into it how like you like use a sock and you flip it inside out So you're hitting like more the soft area and then then at the very end, he said you'd apply force to the under part of your head. And it's so funny, him writing, it's like my orgasms were intense and powerful. And it's like, damn. Yeah, I mean, that's all these guys. Did you watch the show Escape at Danimora?

It's on Netflix, it's really good. It was created by Ben Stiller. And it's, no, Benicio, it's Benicio and then the guy from There Will Be Blood, the guy who's the twins. Anyway, Paul Dano, that's his name. And so those two are inmates who like basically sweet talk this woman, this like obese prison worker, and then they both start a relationship with her and they get her to smuggle in tools and then they literally tunnel out of the prison. It's a real life story. It happened in 2015. So I started a relationship with her and they get her smuggle in tools and then they literally tunnel out of the prison. It's a real life story happened in 2015. So I watched the show.

It was a fantastic, really good acting. And then I went the red, the real story, dude, it was wild. Like it's, it's a high, they're both in there for murder. Like one guy literally murdered a police officer. The other guy like butchered and kidnapped an old man for money. These are like no shit killers locked up in this high security prison in. I think it was in North New York, like, you know, upstate. And the Adirondacks out there. Yeah, it was in the Adirondacks. Yeah. And yes, they were up there and they were able to get her to smuggle in like hacksaw blades.

They cut their way out of their cells, were able to make their way like through the pipes and everything. Use a sledgehammer hammer through multiple walls and Then cut a hole in a drain pipe or whatever Crawl through the pipe come up out on the other side call crawl through a manhole and they were on the run for like 23 days one guy almost made it to Canada. They shot him like 10 miles from the Canadian border Yeah, I was killed the other guy met. Sorry spoiler alert. What year was this 2015? It was yeah, it was like shot him at the August. Yeah. Yeah. That high profile.

Well, they were a trooper was like, hey, who are you? And he just like took off running. And the other guy apparently was like a drunk and they would find they would find like hunting cabins and he would just be like, all right. And just grabbing whiskey is like a bear. He was like a bear. He's like a bear. That's a good way of putting it. It's like we need the pill. He was just walking around. Yeah. So that the other guy left him. He was like, fuck this dude.

He's like turned into a drunk. He's never going to make it. And then he's not going to make any of himself. So then he got, he got killed. And then the other guy actually almost made it to Canada. Yeah. I know he almost, I, the weird part of the show is it structured really well. The first like six episodes, you're really rooting for the prisoners and then before you get to the last episode

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But you wouldn't do like a sentence at a certain point, but that's what I've heard but they like before though like in the Seeing like the two thousands it started getting more lax more lax more lax by the end of it Nobody was going to jail for weed they even like the cops would find a half pound of weed on you and she's okay I just take it make the fuck out of here How does it all work though like in terms not the cusp so were you selling to other dealer because you're at enough? Yeah, eventually was like I do both you would like you would get like like the way it would work Is you'd have to like I remember I like saved all my money so hard and I eventually saved up

$1,600 and I bought a half pound and then I got to like actually make money off of it And then eventually I started you just get it fronted to you You like find somebody that front me like 30 pounds of weed. Yeah, that is the interesting thing I read from Johnny's podcast is like there's a lot of consignment a lot of in the drug business and then double consignment I would get something front it and double consign it to other people then you have to kind of what if he doesn't pay you And then you got to pay the guy You tell him hey, man, if I'm falling on tough times that you that's the that's the thing It's like I you're never supposed to meet that person like the top level person because they want to keep like an air of like

Is they're gonna tell the guy like you tell him I'm like I'm fucking murder, but I met the guy It was you know wasn't were you ever physically threatened. Did you ever see what I got robbed at gunpoint? Yeah. Oh, yeah What was that like what happened? It was surreal. It was like so I got I got I got threatened with a club one time That's embarrassing. I gave it into the club just outside this guy was like I want to fucking hit you with this I was like what kind of club like a handmaid? What in just a fucking like a 1920s police officer baton, dude He's like but I was in West Philly like trying to buy a set is there I think yeah And it was like seven guys around me and I was like we're seriously guys We're over my percocets and they're like dude will fucking bash your brains in I was like alright

You guys can keep the $200 you win you win this round But yeah, it was that and then I had a one time, he got robbed and blamed it on me. I think he just took my money, but he came out, like we were in an apartment. He was like, something's got to, he like cocked a gun and walked towards me. And I was like, oh shit. That time it was just like, everything just goes super slow. I remember us being like very slow, terrified too. People were like, dude, if someone pulled a gun on me, I'd fight.

It's like I was frozen, totally frozen. Yeah, spider flight. Yeah, exactly. Second time like I was frozen totally frozen. That's fine. Yeah exactly second time I You know Rob twice. Oh well that time I got like I Had already I like paid this guy money to go get something and bring it to me He's like I got robbed after you gave me the money, and I was like bro. It's fine I like yeah, it's like it's all good, man He's like nah man. This is fucked up, and he just fucking like cocked a gun like walked

He was like did you do it? I was like How the fuck that I what are you talking about like you that I said have set him up I was like why would you do it? And I was like, how the fuck did I, what are you talking about? Did I set him up? Did I set him up? I was like, why would I do that? Whatever, but that was the whole thing. And then the second time I was in an apartment and it was like someone had owed me a bunch of money and I was bringing them more stuff.

So I had like the money they owed me and like about four pounds of weed and he was gonna give it to some other guy. And then this just dude comes up in a ski mask with the kid who was like supposedly his customer and the kid set it all up but that one I was like I remember everything slowed down again but I was able to read their faces and the kid I knew was very much afraid and the other kid I was like he's pretending to be afraid and then once the the guy with the ski mask left with

all the money and stuff I was like you did you did that you beat him up I started choking him good pretty badly and then the kid I knew was like you did you did that you beat him up? I started choking him good pretty badly And then the kid I knew was like stop I was like a blind rage Oh, yeah, you're almost just you have like a gun in your face. You're terrified. That's horrified I was just fucking just holding this kid's neck like I know you fucking did that the kids like stop and like thank God I was like, okay, yeah, you know, but I don't I don't think I wasn't like violent like that I was never that was the only time it was all it was like almost all my money. That's crazy Yeah, how did you get out of this? What got you out of it? I wasn't on yeah, I was selling I never I was selling purpose

I'm not a vice I was never really good vice written man porn obviously you were true direct your true leech on society You honestly should have gotten to prison I'm not gonna lie I think you owe three years of your life to the state I think I should but now of your life to this date. I think I should actually. But now I do service through high-paying podcasts. That's right. You're doing a service. But I honestly, it's not like a sexy tale because usually you have the redemptive arc of like, I got caught. But I was always, I was pretty principled. I remember I was like, pills are evil. I didn't know anything about them. I'm like, oh, these are very addictive coke. I was like this stuff's no good either

But weed there was a thing where it was like this is good for because I was smoking so much of it I was like weed is good for people. I was like people need weed. It's good for you I thought it was good for me, you know, I was obviously killing it If you smoke weed you can also end up in West Philadelphia with a club in your face. That was for pills. That was for pills. Okay. That was for pills. You were high at the time.

Weed was chill. I was high forever. I remember I tried to start a policy where every customer, I would smoke a blunt with them, and I'd end up smoking like nine blunts. And it was just completely... How do you even function? I didn't. I wasn't functioning. Oh, so do you still smoke a lot? You said no. No, now it's like very I honestly try to There was a big impulsive element of it But now I've been trying to do it where I've tried to this for years

We're like I almost like incorporated into a meditation practice, but then you get into it You're like, well, why do I even need that if I meditate, you know, so that was kind of like well, so now it's like Special occasions how much better do your sleep get so much better. That's the thing with weed Yeah, don't you can even say like well, I'm sleeping better, but your REM sleep is trashed. Yes, thank you. That's what I was about to bring up. It's totally true. There's a lot of people, there's a big Psyop by the weed guys who are like, oh you smoke a bowl right before bed and it's like actually you're nuking your REM sleep. It's like people, you know when you get on an airplane and people are like, just gonna have a glass of wine just to go to bed. I'm like, actually you're way shit in your sleep. Yeah, it's like you're actually not sleeping at all. Nobody wants to semi conscious, but nobody wants to hear this

I tell people like and the weed does fuck up your REM sleep You don't dream you don't dream and everyone knows when I stopped smoking weed I have crazy dreams like that's because your REM rebounding Same as alcohol. Oh, dude. It's yeah. It's like I I was completely like When I was younger, it also was making a living off and I'm like read is awesome This stuff rules everybody needs this stuff ever needs to be selling this stuff under me That's what happens with heroin though heroin if you're using heroin you try to convince people to do heroin right you want to start Selling it to them, then you don't have to pay really. It's very that's kind of death Yes, it's very very evil and you like you're like, you're like, want to inject them too.

Yeah, I remember someone explained that to me and I was like, someone offered me to sell heroin. I said, no. I said, no, thank you, sir. That is evil. I mean, heroin's evil. The pills are evil, but no one knew what the fuck they were. Yeah.

I came out of it. I got a... Is Percocet the same as Oxycodone? Oxycodone, yes. Percocet is Oxycodone mixed with Acinamide, Tylenol basically. Okay. So Oxycodone and Oxycodone and percocet are the same thing. Is it the same strength? Is that?

No. What was the whole like pill thing in the 2000s then? So that was oxycontin, right? Or oxycontin. It was all of them. It was percocets. There's a bunch of them. It's a... Vicodin. Vicodin was hydro something.

Hydrocodone. That's right. That's Vicodin. And Vicodins, that's right. That's Vicodin. Vicodins were less desirable. If you had Vicodins, people were like, fine. But Percocets, people wanted them. And then the Oxy's came out, which was just like five milligram Percocet, 10 milligram, whatever it was.

Oxy would have been like 40. Yeah, it was like 80, right? It went up to 80. I read a book about it, and I remember, I watched some documentary about the Sackler fan. That shit is evil, man. Dude, it was. In terms of the cash programs and those pill mills and they read total knowledge that's really what led to the heroin spike all the black

tar heroin dude people had no idea it wasn't it wasn't just the Sacklers it was every doctor in the country dude I got like I would give a sore throat but from my college campus that they do on Percocets and I'm like no yeah but I when I was like 19 or 18 and I got my wisdom teeth out and my friend was like bro. I'll pay you he's like you'll get You get pills. I'll buy them off you and I'm like I'll give you $200. I'm like what like for sure yes I hate medicine you get my medicine and Dude, and it was like I remember coming out and like of my wisdom teeth in a haze But remembering like I asked him I was like what can I like what am I gonnaze, but remembering, I asked them, I was like,

what am I going to get? And they were like, we're just going to give you ibuprofen. I was like, I'm a real baby with pain. Is there anything else I can have? And they're like, yeah, we'll give you, I think it was like Percocets or Hydrocodone. And they just gave me a full vial. And that was the whole thing that set the whole thing off,

because I made $200 off of it. And then once I went to college, I was like, I've got to find more of those things and my friend was like Yo, these things are awesome So I didn't do them interesting and then I watched dude I watched firsthand a whole There was like this apartment complex is a certain time. I was getting I ended up finding like okay like 2500 Viking in at a time and I remembered my friend would bring them into this like apartment complex and they all get distributed throughout there

And I did I watched this whole little ecosystem of people degenerate. That's when I was like, oh, I'm like 19, 20 at the time. And I was like, this is fucking bad. No, it's bad. So. Yeah, the pills, man. That is bad. I should go to jail, dude.

I'm such a piece of shit. You just got to give back to society, man. I do. I do, though. I do. I'm telling you, I'm all service now. I'm all service. All right.

I'm wildly overpaid, but I'm a wildly overpaid I'm all service. All right. I'm wildly overpaid That's all dude for real though. The thing is is like and I this is why I like I've been researching the world religions a lot there's a really good book called the religions the world's religions by Houston Smith and he goes into like the Connective tissue between like Hinduism Christianity Judaism, you know, everything else islam and I like Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, everything else, Islam. And I do, like growing up in a Christian environment, they don't sell it very well to young people. It's like, this sucks.

It's like, it's just a bunch of shit you gotta take on face value. I started researching Hinduism when I was like, it's a classic stoner move, just be like so high and be like, oh dude. There's nothing more annoying than white guys who are into Hinduism. Then George Harrison, wannabes.

In India they literally laugh at you. They're like, yeah, we'll take your money, but... But it is a beautiful religion. For me, it gave me a concept of God from researching it from that angle. I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense. But I like their relationship with pleasure from what I've read, it's not as, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's not as like forbidden. It's like, yeah, if you want pleasure,

go get it till you're tired of it, or is it? Kind of. Well, it's hard to say, man, because even calling Hinduism a religion, obviously it is a religion, but it is intrinsic to the land of India, and I'm really convinced of that. As in the practice of Hinduism like you don't go on Sunday

You just have temples everywhere people stop on their way and off from work like at the end of the day for Special occasions for little stuff like you'll go and you'll ask a blessing It's not in the Abrahamic faiths require like rigid practice, and this is much more like a part of daily life So the religion itself doesn't like say yes or no or whatever about I don't know pleasure hard work it doesn't like prescribe rules but the Indian culture definitely also plays like a huge part of it. So I'm not really convinced. I think Buddhism is a religion. I think that actually is a religion and that's one that can transpose into you know Western

society or whatever. But Hinduism like you really you really got to be in India if you want to be a real Hindu I think yeah at least practice it in the way that it's meant to be practiced you can try obviously and everybody can do their own thing but there's a huge amount of people who are Hindus who are atheists they don't even believe like in God it's more you're saying it's more cultural it's part of the Indian culture like it really like when you're there it just makes sense. That's how people practice their lives. Each village has its own deity. The way that there's a certain type of blessing or they call it a puja, which is a ceremony,

which is the type of puja that you would do for this milestone in your life or whatever. Whereas Abrahamic faiths is like on Sunday or on Friday, we pray. We pray five times a day and we do it at this time. the, you know, the, the whatever, the chant of the prayer and with the meat that we eat is like this, where, you know, even amongst Hindus, like 40% of Hindus are vegetarian, but 60% are not. So, you know, there's no, there's no yes and no on life on how to live. Like it's just, it's just a very much. Yeah. Part of the culture over 8,000, 9,000 years. Yeah. That is a, it is, it is such a funny st move, though, to be like, dude, I think I'm... Oh, it's so...

Use two mushrooms. And yoga. It's like girls who are into yoga, it's like, shut the fuck up. They're like, my shavasana. And we're like, ugh. Yeah, that is tough. When you start to know like four Sanskrit words, and you're like, my suka. Yes.

Suka. Or the om tattoos. You're just like, spare me, man. I will say, dude, I will say though, from like, just like a... Isn't that a Hindu deity? It kind of looks like it. What do you got going on over there? Yeah, that is. That's Sanskrit. That's Sanskrit down there. I can't read it. Oh, this? No, this is English. Dude, this was a shirt I designed to try to sell as merch, and it's a very low seller.

Yeah, I know. Chocker. to try to sell his merch and it's a very low seller. Chocker. Yeah, dude, I do think, though, there's something religiously let's just say in the United States, it's like Christianity is it's cool. It's getting a resurgence. I don't think so. Statistically, no.

Yeah, I guess maybe that's just the internet memes. Yeah, I think you're thinking of TradWife. I think of TradWife. If you take a look at the stats, Christianity is never, I mean, not Christianity, religion. We have never lived in a more secular country. Honestly, even coming back here is shocking. Like to Texas in the modern, I mean, I literally grew up here. This was a deep Bible belt state.

That's what I remember. And to watch it become like cosmopolitan is weird. Even when I go back to College Station, I mean, I don't know, I guess I just don't feel the same... I don't live there anymore, it's just kind of different, but it doesn't just feel the way that it did back then. And in general, stats-wise, the evangelism, Catholicism, all practicing religions, and the rise of people who just call themselves spiritual, it's never been higher. And that's really, I mean, the right-wing trad people

are the ones who blame that for where we are. But honestly, kind of to make it political, I think that's why Trump is the first real secular president. Everybody knows Trump is not. He loves the Bible, what are you talking about? He loves the Bible. Yeah, he loves it so much that he sells a copy.

But 30% of the people who voted for Trump are literally pro-choice. Like over 30%. That's crazy, right? If you think about it in terms of the election and all that. So the mass secularization of America has made being conservative, like just so though the Texas I grew up in, George W. Bush

was literally my governor. That type of conservatism, it's fucking gone. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. I think they're, to bring me back to my main point, I think the, I do think there's a lot of people who have left organized religion who are going towards kind of spiritualism, but I think now everyone has a very strained relationship. If people are trying to practice some form of God in their life, I do feel like researching

other religions helps people kind of like conceptualize it because you're like yeah I'm not going to do this but you can read that and again that kind of makes sense. Of course it does. If you look at it like a giant consciousness. And then even then I mean I could defend. What are your stances on that? What religion? Yeah religion, God, believing in God. I'm not religious at all. I mean I grew up around here so I still have a very like side-eye view of a lot of the Bible belt stuff. But I think it's good for people.

Now that I've been removed from it for quite a long time, look, it's like the South Park episode about Mormonism. We're like, look, this is some batshit crazy stuff, but the truth is they're living a better life than you. Maybe we're the crazy ones, right? They're the ones who believe in planet colob or whatever, but they have nine children're really happy they help each other the mormon church has no debt they make sure that you get very cheap education at BYUs if you stay in the faith they take care of you they take care of each other. I grew up around a lot of mormons they're some of the happiest people I know they

have like multiple children they uh settled well they seem like they're doing like really well in life and uh they get to you know they have a big community aspect where they you always have just dozens of people who share your values who are around who if you're out of town somebody can come watch your pets or if you need help with your kids or whatever So like they're the winners in life man, like that's that's that's what people need to take away That's that's my yeah That's my question is like that's what I'm what I've been trying to like read about and like think about a lot is like What is the grounding force for like people's lives and if it you know if it dissipates into like If there is no that's like what religion has been yes, and now people are like

the antidepressants and all that's the pillars now like you have to like Back up the molecules in your brain because you're sad because your worldview is absolutely kind of bleak Very very well said and also I mean like woke, like, woke-ism, quote unquote, is a religion. And being anti-woke is also a religion. Politics is a religion. Religion will find a way in its life whether you find religion or not.

The thing about it is, what I would advocate for is that I think, especially in big cities and in elite circles, there's a real sneering at religion. But they don't look at it in the way that I just said, where it's doing quite a lot of good for people who are in the faith in the community. So for me, I'm just like, look, you know, do whatever you want to do. And actually having lived all my entire adult life in mass secular America, we have a lot of problems, right? Like the gathering place of the secular American is the bar. It shouldn't be.

That's weird, actually. Like, waiting until you're in your mid-30s to even try to start having children, and then by that time, like, I don't know, I just think there's a lot of choices. They should be turning it into Christ's blood. They should be turning it into Christ's blood. There's just choices that you make that make it all about you. And one of the things that are really important about religion is like, actually, no, it's not about you. It's about other people. And so by doing that and by choosing the secular elite path you are literally pursuing something that is just all about you it's about

the pursuit of your own pleasure about your own money about all this but it will strip away any of the great things in life that will genuinely make you happy so if you're not religious then you have to actually consciously seek that out and I you know you probably tell you this you have to actually consciously seek that out. And I tell you this, you have children now, right? It's probably harder to connect and find groups of other parents. Whereas if you grew up in Texas in the 90s and you went to church, that's dusted, bro. You're done.

Yeah, you're done. Day one, it's sold. Someone will be at your house when your wife gives birth. They will have food waiting in your house. But if you don't have that type of community, that's really hard. The number of people, actually there's a really interesting like American Family Studies study that shows that the number of friends, particularly among men, the number of like male friends that people have has an all-time low. I think the record number is actually in the zero to one category of people who consider themselves like close friends. And

so if you think about it, like in that community aspect, people are lonelier than ever. They're having difficulty really finding a mate. They're really having problems in terms of fostering close friendships. So they're doing what? Betting parlays on gambling. They just want to feel something. Stimulate the brain. Stimulating the brain. Yeah, that is sad. That's my problem is like there needs to be some sort of cohesive Organizing force and most of them are negative where it's like, you know, again, it's like fucking you know What proud boys all that you get like the things are you and it's it's not even like, you know A lot of it

I think does come down to the media because it's like, you know It's like you don't have to take your worldview or your life prescriptive path to the media But it's like they are experts there this and it is looked upon as like this is an authoritative source of information Yeah, it's just mean like everything you they are this, and it is looked upon as like this is an authoritative source of information. And it's just mean. Like everything you see is just like, he's a fuck you, this guy is such a loser, let me tell you about this guy, and it's on both sides.

I think that's bad for people mentally. Well, definitely, but I will give, that's a bit cope also, because people blame the media, and it's like, look, that's what people want. Like at a certain point, it's true. I could be so much more successful, wealthy, and famous if I just did that. I actually am actively giving up. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like, no, I know, but that's a choice that I'm making. But the

truth is, is that that is what most people want. Most people want to fulfill their base instincts. They want to have that, uh, you know, that dopamine rush of saying, yeah, I mean, honestly, Shane's bit about the Fox news dad. I mean, actually, the first time I met him, I was like, you know, that really is like one of the, probably one of the most important bits you've ever done. Because it's deeply true. It's in the vernacular now. People will say, I have a Fox News dad.

It is a deeply true, like, it's a bit, it's a comedy bit, but that is like an archetype and something that really does exist in American society. No, it is. It's true. And it's not, I would flip it and say, there are also MSNBC moms out there who are just as bad on wine moms and all that. But it is a cancer on American society, but honestly, that's what they want. I was talking with Lex yesterday and I brought up one of my favorite media quotes and it's from a book called The Loudest Voice in the Room. It's a biography

of Roger Ailes, who was the chairman of Fox News and the creator, and he said, people want to be informed, or people don't want to be informed, they want to feel informed. And I think that is like the most deeply true thing about media that I've ever read. Yeah, that's true. I guess what I'm saying is, it's just bad. It's bad because it's like you were saying, there's a financial incentive to be a major dickhead. Which when I first saw reality TV, I was like, this is bad. This is creating a pathway. Right, but it's good.

It's so bad. It's so good, though. It's bad for America. If you were smoking weed back then, you would have been like, what the fuck, dude? This is so fucked up. I remember I was just high high watching reality TV like this This is modeling a type of behavior that also pays off genuinely system which taps into people's you know own like biological drives

And I was like this is not good because that's what's being modeled That's what's you're pushed unconsciously to do and like you were saying like dude if you want it to like really double down Anyone anyone's gonna do it. Oh hang couple American flags back here and be like, let me tell you something Mother fuck. I get so annoying I could Grift out grift you you bitch. Oh, yeah Really if I just sat there like look at these liberal tears that are flowing from the bases I'm telling you all the channels you put an American flag behind you sell your merch hat

It's just like for me brown guy be like brown guys loves Trump I know I know I know it's so poor the problem is is that I get bored man I find I find those people so utterly boring that I have no interest It's embarrassing. Yeah, it is humiliating you could make a lot of money I have shit ton of money if you're especially if you're a black black guys at the top of the market That's your black guy red happy, let me tell you something. You'll be famous overnight. MAGA Memos will be sending you five bucks a month and being like,

have you seen this nice young man? Yeah. I do hope we can somehow move to something that animates people. You think people will ever be animated other than their base instincts by the masses Do you think there will be like an actual like Jen pop no Jen pop will always be always be yeah look I mean look America society these Matt rise of mass media has always looked exactly the same like people think it's worse now than it ever was total bullshit If you go back and you look at the yellow journalism era like it was insane

That's where that's worse you go back and you look at the yellow journalism era, I think it was insane. That's true. People were slamming each other. And I mean, imagine this. America's news in the 1800s was literally political. When you would read the news, you would read the Kentucky Democrat, or you would read the Kansas City Republican. Your literal newspaper was the party that you supported.

And one of the ways that people would get interested and instigate politics is socialists and others would be like, we're starting a socialist newspaper because the news itself was a political vector. That's crazy, I didn't know that. Oh yeah, the news? Because I was totally bought into it, like dude, it's never been this bad.

Absolutely not, it's bullshit. So like, the thing is is that in the old days, the rise of yellow journalism, of the penny papers, people like William Randolph Hearst and others, and before him, like Joseph Gordon Bennett, it was all sensationalism, tabloid, that's where it all comes from. And that was overwhelmingly popular. What happened is that the old days that we romanticize is actually a very unique time in American history, where the vast majority of Americans were getting their news from the network TV. So in the sixties and the seventies, everybody romanticizes

Walter Cronkite, all this stuff. Let me tell you something. The news was just as fake back then as it is today. It's just that thank God we have the internet to be like, no, no, no, no, it's fake and it's bullshit because so I book, it's a slog, but people should read it. It's called personal history by Katherine Graham. She ran the Washington post. She was the owner of it and her father bought the paper. And then her son is the one who sold it to Jeff Bezos. But so she ran the paper for basically her entire life. Her husband ran it. Then he committed suicide. She took over and ran it for decades. And if you read that paper, actually, if you've ever watched the movie, the post it's directed by Steven Spielberg with Tom Hanks, and it's about the Pentagon

papers. Meryl Streep plays her in the movie. And it's really like when reading that book, you're like, you know, she's getting politicking with Jim Kennedy is at dinner and he's like giving them advice on how to write in the paper. And her husband, who was owner of The Post, is friends with JFK and he's skewing the coverage in a certain way. So everyone has this romantic nature about the 60s and Cronkite. It's like, no, they were just as partisan as people are today, as Rachel Maddow and these people.

But America didn't know. They had much more higher institutional trust. And cable news exploded that, obviously, after the network era, and then the rise of blogs and everything. But people were really romanticized this. Oh the news was fair and balanced. It's like no It's not that the news is what got us into Vietnam, you know Fair and balanced these people were writing columns and justifying all this bullshit. They knew what was happening

They didn't report any of it. It was only in like what? 1968 we finally tell everybody the truth by that time 500,000 Americans are sitting in Vietnam. JFK we used to go and hang out and all of his secretaries McNamara and all these guys were hanging out in Georgetown which is a very rich neighborhood at their fancy ass mansions secretly telling them what they should write in their papers like dude it's always been like as crump. People just didn't know it. Yeah. I feel like Trump did kind of crack always been like as crump didn't know it yeah I feel like Trump did kind of crack the he like part of the veil to be like this is actually a lot

of this is bullshit the roots of Trump are in there's a famous clip 2012 newt gingrich was the Republican debate South Carolina debate and the opening question even I will admit is a crazy question they were like mr. gingrich your wife he liked I don know the circumstances. He's done his third wife and he like divorce his wife. I think she was going through cancer or something like, Oh, it was terrible. It was cancer. It was bad. It was like, it was bad. And it was the second time that he done something like that. Anyway, it's like, that was the opening question. And Gingrich is like, let me tell you something. That was one of the most disgusting acts. And the mainstream media is a direct participant, something like that

in the democratic party and the crap, the pop, as you would say from the audience, oh, roars. Like you can hear it on the microphone. And all of that. And I watched that clip because all the ingredients for Trump were there the whole time. It's just like, you have to go and look for it. Like Michelle, he was the first one that tapped into that. Well, he was the first one who attacked this media on the stage and flipped the debate and made it about them. And it was a referendum. It was like, no, fuck you actually. When they were, and you could see John King is kind of taken aback because he's never experienced this before. And now it's the norm in Republican politics. Sure. Expected at that time. It was crazy. It was shocking.

But yeah, I mean, I watched that clip a lot because I'm like, that's, that's it. That's where Donald Trump, 2015, the famous debate, you know, and Megan Kelly's like, Mr. Trump, you've called women pigs, you know, he's like only Rosie. Oh, and they was just, it's everyone. Yeah. The crowd just roars, man. And it's like, that was it. Like, that's the moment that he won, in my opinion, in the 2015 primary broke politics forever But the ingredients were there. It's funny. It's funny that he was like it like that was like one of the first dominoes that toppled the mainstream Media, and he was just trying to get a fourth wife

He's just trying to get some new Nothing's gonna stop. Yeah, I'm the entire mainstream media No, I think what it is is in all of this Is that the base has always hated the media? It's just that the the politicians they need the media I mean This is another like fakery out of all of this is that the idea that the Republicans hate the media like nobody craves Media attention more than Republicans for sure specifically mainstream media There are some good ones out there who actually understand that the news is bad and don't want to give them access.

But in reality, as much as they say they hate it, they want to be on CNN, bro. They like it. They want to go on Fox. They don't... I don't know. So, speaking of the politicians stuff, so Matt Gaetz, that's something I can't wrap my head around. He got appointed... That's his name. Attorney General. He's nominated to be the attorney general and what the big the big thing about him is that he might have trafficked kids so hot man. That's a weird. That's a weird one details are very Strange so and and to be fair the DOJ did drop their case again exactly so they investigated it and they leaked a lot of the

Details so he was never convicted or even prosecuted Yeah of any of this And there genuinely was some weird, I'd have to go back and look at the details, but somebody was trying to blackmail him for like $25 million. And that's how some of this stuff came out. But like empirically, he was definitely like hooking up with like very young girls and like hanging out with sketchy people and getting blackout drunk like all while he was a congressman. So the detail, as I understand it, 2021, to now there's been a three year investigation in the House Ethics Committee about Gates and his behavior from that was instigated by an attorney who filed a complaint claiming to represent an underage girl who says

that she slept with Matt Gates whenever she was underage. Now, obviously though, she may claim that, but as I understand it, the feds did investigate at least some of these claims and of course they haven't brought charges. So the report itself was due to be released I think tomorrow actually, from the day that we are taping. And that report now will not be released because what happened is that Gates got nominated to be the Attorney General and he resigned as a House of Representatives. So the House Ethics Committee two days later of of his nomination, was supposed to release that, but they will no longer release the report

because he's no longer a sitting member of Congress, considering his resignation. So there's some background in all of this. That's kind of sketchy, yeah. Look, I mean, his behavior has also made it a little weird in terms of, first of all, just what he admitted to was wild. Also, why would he be appointed though? It almost seems like he'd have perhaps dirt on DJT.

I don't know You know what I mean? No, I don't think it's a dirt thing dude Gates is just one of it like he's one of his biggest Yeah, no, not bros. He's one of his biggest defenders on television Yeah, those people who like anything goes like he's all in I mean, it seems tactical I'm saying they like to abandon Congress have a higher job right two days before potentially the shoe drop You could read that into that if you want That's what I'm thinking But at the same time like why would Trump go along with that scheme then right like because for this Trump would have to be like

Okay, Matt, I'll bail you out. That's what I'm saying. That's hence the dirt. I don't know. I'm just wildly speculating I'm trying to figure out why Appoint somebody with such a sketchy record. Oh, I mean, I think that the case is simple Gates is a true believer. That's what it is. He's been all in for Trump for eight years. He was his biggest defender on television. Trump loves him. He always goes on Fox. And Matt Gates is always like, I'm all in for Trump.

To be fair, Gates is an interesting guy. From my perspective, he has generally been anti-war. He's been sponsored a lot of stuff with progressive Democrats about trying to end forever wars. He's somebody who wanted to pardon Edward Snowden. He opposed the Julian Assange stuff. You'll like this. He's very pro-weed.

He's one of the most pro-marijuana members of Congress. I don't care about weed anymore. I like mushrooms. Well, we're coming for that next. But he had, he's actually quite libertarian is the way pro Bitcoin, you know, heterodox guy for a while. So I'm actually I'm not that, you know, worried about people hate Matt Gaetz because, you know, I mean, look, he's kind of an asshole, like media wise for sure. He's got a reputation about town and he likes to come in and he blow like he likes to mouth off.

Can we put it that way? For sure. He's got a bat like the Republicans hate him because he's the one who mounted that coup against Kevin McCarthy and got Kevin McCarthy kicked out. He likes to mouth off. Can we put it that way? Yeah, for sure. He's got a bat. The Republicans hate him because he's the one who mounted that coup against Kevin McCarthy and got Kevin McCarthy kicked out. So a lot of the establishment types hate him. But Trump loves him because he's loyal. And he wants him to root out a lot of the people who are in the Department of Justice who he would see as deep state

or enemies or whatever. And I honestly think Gates would do that. But I mean, it is crazy because AG is like a real dude, you're the chief law, like legal officer of the United States. Like you have to determine the legality of president's actions. You direct the department of justice and the FBI, like what type of cases we're going to prosecute or not. Like you make the call on some like really big decisions. Like you have to write the legal justification sometimes for what the president is doing work with the White House

Counsel's Office I mean it is a real no-shit job like a real job and yeah I'm glad you said that because I had those my next question. I had to go look it up. I had to go look it up because I was like yo does he even have a law degree but he does yeah but I was like I don't know if he's a lawyer you know that's fucking wild so it is about we're about to enter like, you know, what's the Senate and the House are Republican now. They'll get two Supreme Court picks, most likely. Yeah, Alito and Clarence Thomas. That's right.

They'll probably resign. Although Sonia Sotomayor, one of the Democrats, she's 70. But she does have type 1 diabetes. And Democrats tried to get her to resign because they were like, hey, you need to go so that Biden can appoint somebody but she pulled an RBG and she's like I'm not going anywhere. Whoa. Yeah. Damn, they won at one. Yeah. Can you believe that she did that? These people are such narcissists. Yeah, I can totally believe that she did that. So believes in power and that and like not even

being part, I mean I'm, look I don't really care but it's more from a liberal perspective it's like if you think this is fascism in the end of democracy, like bitch, then resign. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, I know. You're literally type one diabetic, seven years old, and you're obese. Like, what do you think is going to happen? Look at a fucking actuarial table. Like, dude, it is sad, though, if you think about like, even like what happened to Biden.

It's like being that old and being driven by kind of like the power drive until like your brain just falls apart. It's pretty fucking terrible. I mean, I say it's sad, but it's also like pathetic and deeply ego maniacal and narcissistic. And at the end of the day, you know, that's what it takes to be a politician. Like, that's the truth. True.

He, by the way, has been the same his entire life. So I talked about this book yesterday with Friedman called What It Takes. It was written in 1988. It's about the 1980 presidential campaign. That's where Biden had that plagiarism scandal. He's been an egomaniacal narcissist chip on his shoulder guy for his entire life. So, you know, what they say about when you get old is it just makes you more of what

you already are. Like you're just more. You're just if you're already an arrogant fuck, like you're just going to be more of an arrogant fuck when you're old. I guess you said that's true. Yeah, that's so sad. That was that. That's so sad man. It's true. Yeah. That's so sad. That was my overarching point with religion.

It's like you need, I feel like as a society we need a vehicle for self-transcendence so that you don't become a just 80 year old walking around demented like trying to lead the country. Yeah. I mean at the end of the day that's like genuinely like self-idolatry. He's like I am the one. I will stop Donald Trump. I'm the most important figure. Nothing is bigger than me.

I, you know, it's pure narcissism and he's chiefly responsible for both for being a terrible president but also for the loss of the Democratic Party. It really, I mean, it's, it's crazy. If I were them, I would be freaking out. I, I'd be, I would, I would be so furious. I mean, nobody has fucked their party more than George, than Biden since George W. Bush and his handling of the Iraq war. Yeah, for sure. What do you, what do you think the future of the Democratic Party's gonna look? Because I thought the same thing, like dude, if they don't like, I think they're gonna need an outsider, they're gonna need a Democrat Trump.

Yeah, that was my prediction. Not necessarily a Democratic Trump, but if we're in an era, so for like Obama like rose from the ashes right because you know he was a no-name senator he gave it a great speech no for big fucking grieo okay yeah but then he came out of nowhere he had anti-war credentials and Harry Reid is actually the one who was like you should run for president he's like you're not a good senator he's like you don't like it here he's like get out of here go run for president he's the first person who put that in Obama's mind but But with the rest of them, like we look in the past, Bill Clinton also came out of nowhere in 92. We had 12 years of Republican rule. 1980, 1992. It was Reagan and it was Bush and Clinton. I mean, he was a no name governor from Arkansas, but

he created this thing, the Democratic Leadership Committee, which like basically moved the Democratic Party much more to the right and made it more of like a neoliberal thing. And that's how he was able to win like a major victory in 92. So somebody will come. I think that person needs to come from the ashes though. I think anybody tainted by the stain of like woke ism from the 2010s and the great awakening onward on top of like the Biden and all the trans shit and all this.

Plus, you know, I just, this whole last decade has been a nightmare, right? It claps in on itself. And it claps in on itself. So anybody really tainted by that at the national political level, they're going to have a tough time in my opinion. That's why even though I think Gavin Newsom is very talented and I think that Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Pete Buttigieg and and all these other people, I think that they like to believe that they could overcome it, and maybe, right?

Trump could fuck everything up and he could be a nightmare in terms of his popularity and it would be easy to beat him. Anybody could. But if he doesn't, and if he governs even reasonably well, 40-50% approval rating, you're going to need somebody with real political entrepreneurship and skills to be able to rise out of that. Yeah, and the Republican side has a deeper roster. They get people that they could tap that are also like RFK.

He can talk. He's not like a total robot or politician. Well, he's not a Republican, right? So he's an independent. He's endorsed Trump. Yes, although I don't think RFK will ever run again I don't think you will I don't think you will but I'm saying they seem to have like a Tulsi Gabbard Oh, like they have like a deeper roster of people. Maybe that's just me because I'm biased but it's like maybe

I don't know if anyone like Buddha you're saying like these like do some do booted edge It's like I really think they need a new person. Absolutely You need somebody who is totally untainted by the system. And that's what Obama was. That's what Bill Clinton was. I mean, the appetite for, although I will say, the thing is about the Democratic base is now it's rich white people. And the thing is about rich white people

is they don't really give a shit about a lot of stuff. They just want to win. Like, I'm serious. They are just like, we want to win. They're like, oh, you need to say what? OK, whatever. Say it. Just win. So it is, Oh, you need to say what? Okay. Whatever. You know, like say it, just win.

So it is a little different this time because this time around as whatever narrative they're sold about what will beat Trump, that's who they're going to nominate. That's why they, that's why they nominated Biden. They didn't care what he stood for. They were like, we need somebody. We need Trump out of here. That's what it's going to be like. Bring out the dancing black ladies. They'll do everything. They threw everything. They were like, Beyonce, Cardi. So were you as shocked as I was that they get paid? I had no idea. I knew they got paid.

I had no idea. I didn't know. I was so naive. I thought celebrities just did it because they supported them. If they didn't get paid, Vince, because they were at the ditty parties. You better show my W2.

Yeah. It's just so weird to be like, we're gonna have- A million dollars to Oprah? A million dollars. A million bucks, dude. She's a billionaire. What the fuck do you need a million dollars for? What are we doing? I mean, it's a nice little treat, though. Yeah, sure, but- Oprah a million dollars million bucks. She's a billionaire. What the fuck do you million dollars for? What do we do?

I mean, it's a nice little treat. Yeah, sure, but give you a male He's like don't you already support Kamala like just just do it, you know And that's the thing is I don't think they're getting paid to say something that they don't already believe But if you already believe it just do it for free Why would you I don't think they believe it you can't you can't you can't get you like there's no way there's no like You know again, it's like Republicans. I'm not like a big Republican guy, but I really like zoom in on like the Liberal Democrat like the modern liberal Democrat type. It's like I don't really see a coherent vision at all It's it's all it's too bought in on the the postmodernism which is in itself is self contradictory. It goes nowhere definitely

So that's kind of what happened to them They like it was there like Trump was the rights energizer battery pack Theirs was like the post modern racial power versus you know worldview Yeah, it was very it's very odd and it just it just literally collapses in on itself and it contradicts itself like you know There's no hierarchies is like well, who do you prefer Trump or the whole Biden? Well, there's a high there are all that bullshit but it's like they all they're gonna have if I were a Democrat like leading, an outsider candidate, and I would come by and be like, if you're a Trump supporter, I still love you, man. That's all they have to do.

Yeah, I mean, they made the whole dictator fascist playbook that they ran this time. That was very stupid, you know, they did. So I don't know how they're gonna do it, man. I really don't. I have confidence that they will figure it out just because people are too triumphalist. As in, I know I was talking about the 2008 Obama wins, right? They're like, we will never lose an election again. James Carville literally wrote a book called 40 more years about how the Democrats will be in power forever. Demographics are destiny. It's over. It's a white party. And now Donald Trump has won two out of the last three presidential elections. The last one he won the popular vote and he won Latino men.

He basically completed a racial realignment of US politics. Imagine going back to 2008 and telling me that. That was only 16 years ago, man. It wasn't that long ago. And Obama lost his juice. They trotted him out to be like, go yell out young black guys. guys like dude it just is like Use sneering just like that's it. I I I have Obama derangement syndrome like I hate Obama and like not for the reasons that like white boomers hate him or like he's destroying this country I was working construction when he got elected and it was a somber day for like the boomers white Yeah, like boomer age white guys They come into work and be like they were they were just mad. He was a black guy. Yeah, that was it

It was they came in and they were going It was so it was kind of funny. Yeah, but I do agree I I think there's something very sinister about wrapping yourself in that like cultural identity I call him the Instagram president. He's this fucking, you know, he's just this cultural elite. He's everything that he supposedly stood against. And the way that he governed, you know, he came and he was supposed to end the Iraq war and the financial crisis he was supposed to solve. He fucked both of those up. We had a horrible economic depression for the entire period. I mean, look, if you want to look at the wealth inequality, the explosion, the lack of wage growth

that all happened under Obama, he got lucky that Mitt Romney ran against him. All the ingredients to be able to beat him were there. Romney just ran a terrible campaign. And then immigration in 2014, he overinterprets his mandate and he's like, you know what, fuck this. I'm going to do whatever I want on immigration. And he goes all in and he does DACA.

And honestly, that is responsible for Donald Trump. Because what he did is he both polarized the liberal base on the issue of immigration, which was amnesty first, maybe border security sometime in the future. But he also energized the Republicans, who were like, oh my god, when they have power, they're going to mass legalize literally millions of illegal immigrants.

And that leads to the 2014 that 2014 executive order leads directly one year later Trump comes down the escalator and says no we're going to build a wall in Mexico is going to pay for it. So there are direct consequences for these actions and immigration is the number one reason in my opinion why Donald Trump was elected. Like there's no question. What do you think about the population collapse that's going to come when all the boomers go and they have less kids? You don't think we're going to have to be just importing

people? No. I think that's a very convenient explanation. I mean, look, at a certain point, too. If the numbers dip, how is it not real? No. What I'm saying is that the idea that, first of all, we're going to have population collapse,

and we're like, Japan is just not true. But first of all, but the second is there's just presumption that the only way to do it is to import like basically like second-class citizens from South America Do you ever read the next hundred years by George Friedman? I have not read that book. I think I'm familiar with the thesis That's his thing. Yeah, I mean, this is a very popular way that people justify like mass migration First of all, like there's another way which is you could try both economic and social incentives to change the picture. But the other thing is there's something like really sick about this idea that the only way to like the birth rate itself is the only thing that matters and not like what the actual makeup of the United States is. And all the secondary and the third, the secondary tertiary effects of what mass illegal immigration does to the US economy, to US society, it makes a mockery of US law.

And the entire way our immigration system works is just totally fucked up. People don't understand. Our immigration system is totally unique in the Western world. The entire rest of the Western world has basically merit-based immigration. We are the only country still left

on family based chain migration. So what that means is that, so I'm a US citizen, right? And so because I was born here, I was born here in Bryan, Texas. But the way it would have worked is my parents who immigrated here, their family members have a preference in the US immigration system

if they were able to sponsor someone to come to America. It doesn't matter whether those family members are, are they college educated? Who are these people? Do you have a degree? What's your job? Are you going to support yourself? That makes sense.

If you immigrate to Australia, they're like, they have a points-based immigration system. So they're like, a college degree, cool. Oh, you speak English? Much higher up at the list. For sure. That's how it should work. It should be merit-based.

It should be based upon, are you going to benefit America? Now, people get very squirrely about this because it is contrary to the way that what I talked about earlier the 1800s mass immigration. That was my mom's dad. Okay. But it was a 1900s. Right. But here's a good quote that I heard. We don't make immigration policy for our grandparents. We do it for our grandchildren. So just because some. So in the 1800s we had what industrial revolution. We needed a shit ton of basically just like bodies dumb Shovel oh you can swing a shovel cool. Yes, you're fucking Slovenian who cares whatever, but that's not how the US economy works Yeah, the US economy is a service-based economy our manufacturing jobs are high-tech manufacturing

Like you need to be able to speak English to function in America 12 million people illegally entered this country in the last four years. The 27% of them don't have a high school diploma in Spanish, by the way, so they're barely literate in Spanish. 20-something percent of them have barely completed a high school education by Latin American standards or wherever they came from. And then only a small portion are actually college educated. So, look, be real. Look at the stats. What is that going to cost the United States? Are they bad people? Absolutely not. But it makes a mockery of this idea of, first of all, of just order. Like in terms of being able to just come here, no matter who you are, you just raise your

hand and fake say, I fear for my life. You're an economic migrant. Let's all be honest. And if you interview these people, they'll tell you the same. They're like, I fear for my life, you're an economic migrant. Let's all be honest. And if you interview these people, they'll tell you the same. They're like, I came here for a job. I don't begrudge you. That's fine. But the point is that you can't allow that system to be in place where, basically, the cost of the bill of all this is going to come down to us.

So we need to dramatically shift to an actual merit-based immigration system. That's number one. But two, what we really need to do is also consider, after that period of massive immigration, of European migration, we had social chaos in this country. We actually were becoming like ethnic.

There was a whole war over this. Teddy Roosevelt gave a famous speech, there is no hype, we are done with hyphenated America. And hyphenated me like, you know, like I'm a Slovenian American. He was like, no, we're all Americans. We need to be done with hyphenation. And that led to a complete shutdown, basically, of US immigration from the 1920s

up until the Immigration Naturalization Act of 1965. That immigration moratorium actually allowed for assimilation, where the term white became popular, because it's like, as you know, if you read a book, ask white Protestants, were Irish people white in 1920? Absolutely not. Okay. Like Lithuanian, they're like, you're Lithuanian. You're not white. Okay. That was bad. Just so we're all aware. That was bad. And so the change in that we need to go through that again, like we need to completely change the way that we've our foreign born population has never been as high a then previous from the 19, I think in in the late 1900s, right around

when we had the same immigration moratorium. We're signing up for the same levels of problems where our heterogeneous population is just way to remove from each other. We don't have a common civic understanding or any of this. And the truth is, is that if you just keep importing one million people for year per year, and then the vast majority of them are illegal, no disorderly process, like, dude, this just breaks the civic foundation of the country. Like, it's just not going to work.

And I say this to somebody whose parents came from India, like, but that's my point, is I'm here now. I'm a citizen. Like, I have to care about my children, my grandchildren. What country are they going to grow up in? Yeah, and it's also, it's like, it is kind of a bullshit thing to be like, well, since your parents came, you have to decide, it's like, I can change my fucking mind. By the way, they left the third world so I could live in the first world and I can make up my own mind.

It's amazing. Yeah. The best part of coming to America and to the West, anybody who is from like a Western or non-Western country will know this. In the non-Western countries, you're kind of like told what to do. There's a path, and there's a rigid class system, and there's like, this is how we live our lives. And that's the best part about coming here, man.

You can do whatever you want. You can say whatever you want. The social mobility here is better than anywhere else in the entire world. Dude, and that was the problem. I went to school for social work. I got my graduate degree in social work. And if you brought up social mobility,

the teachers would feel like, that's a myth. No, no it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. They're like, that's a myth. Does wealth give you privilege? Absolutely. But actually, I think I read that people who

are born in the upper quintile, if you look at the across generations, after three generations, their kids are usually back down shirts leaves the shirts leaves Money extreme money has a degenerative effect. Oh, it's like it's obviously it's incredible You know bounty to be born a ton of money But dude it like kind of warps people big one of my favorite books is the fall of the house of Vanderbilt and it's exactly About this and it's basically I think a hundred years after Cornelius Vanderbilt died, his generations, not a single one of them was a millionaire, not one. And the first Vanderbilt after Cornelius Vanderbilt to make anything of himself was one of the

only Vanderbilt's not to be born with money. His name is Anderson Cooper. He is the first Vanderbilt member of the Vanderbilt family to to be born with money. His name is Anderson Cooper. What is the first Vanderbilt member of the Vanderbilt family to not be born with money. The first one who was broke, who made anything out of himself. What the fuck? Yes. Yeah, that's it. Anderson Cooper is the first successful Vanderbilt in like 200 years. Since Cornelius. Since Cornelius the Commodore Commodore. I didn't. I heard he's a Vanderbilt, but it's always like he's a CIA.

Yeah, his mother was Gloria Vanderbilt, but it's always like he's a CIA. Yeah, his mother was Glendale. Gloria Vanderbilt. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, and you read their stories, the money just destroyed them and destroyed their family. Yeah. All of them just became like degenerate dilettantes who became, you know, I mean, they were addicted to alcohol and drugs and they would blow it on these gigantic houses. And, you know, they got caught up in the British rat race. And they all became dollar princesses. I love the term dollar princess.

A dollar princess is in the 1800s, American industrialists were filthy rich. And the way to have social mobility is they were like, we need to get our daughters married to English lords. But the English lords were broke. And so they were like, oh, we'll marry your kids. So Winston Churchill's mother, she was a dollar princess, Jenny Churchill. Um, and, uh, there, uh, they hit the Duke of Marlborough. I forget exactly what his name is. Another Churchill.

I think it's Randolph Churchill. He married one of Cornelius Vanderbilt's, I think your granddaughter or great granddaughter, same thing. It bailed him out. So he literally could, he could rebuild his house. And after they got married, he was like, by the way, I don't give a shit about you at all. He's like, I really don't care. I do. I married you for your money. He's like, I'm just going to go do whatever I want to do. Like, I'm going to live my life. Yeah.

That's kind of that's horrible. It's horrible. Her life ended up it was a nightmare, unfortunately for her. Yeah. Well, it's also very rigid. And I know if you have generational wealth, it's like you're you have to you can get cut out of the will. Then you're fucked. Yes, there's stuff like there's all that and then you know You have that house the built more down in in North Carolina the largest house literally ever built in the United States It was built by a Vanderbilt

You know, it's just you read about them like this guy would have like seven marriages in the course of his life, dude I I did work in Arlen Spector's estate. He's dead and it was I think one of the senator from Pennsylvania Yes, yeah, I painted his out. I like really my friend helped paint his house ask him about JFK, huh? They were dead. He was dead. I should have asked him, but that's why I think he got a nice little state But yeah, dude It was it was just like his surviving family members and it was for real like sad man Like we were in there like using oil primer and like the lady came in was just like it smells like yeah we had a yes it's fucking right oil paint like we'll have a party coming in

we're like okay dude she started spraying just walking around as if you were like an inanimate she would just spray perfume in the room and if you were standing there she would just go like right in your face jeez my mom my mom was a maid dupponts and it was just said it's the same thing she was a maid at the house of the guy who was like a It became like a psycho killer wrestler guy. She was down there She said it was like she was like I remember being like it was a very sad It was like a sad vibe in the house. I mean after a hundred years Yeah, basically destroy them all and it is very sad because most of them that burden of and it's not just them

I read another book about the app the Astor family I mean John Jacob Astor was like one of the first like real millionaires in the United States slumlord in Manhattan He was like this Dutch slumlord. He was like hey How many of you immigrants gonna charge $20 today? But and then and you know in his family like they become these Titans of society and all of that and one of his Great-grandson, I think died on Titanic. He was the one he was the richest man on the Titanic and he died on His 19 year old wife who just impregnated she got off. She had a baby became the Titanic baby And was yeah, cuz he was literally in his mother's womb

And yeah, because he was literally in his mother's womb Whenever she was she was saved off the Titanic But basically after him and he was by the way ended up being like some degenerate playboy, you know It's just like it didn't really look like it's that is the funny thing you can achieve It is very funny though to be like you can achieve at the highest level Just so your grandson can just like crash a boat while he's like hooked up right? Yeah, I mean one day It happens all up on a river Rockefellers, you, John D. Rock. He was kind of psycho, actually. His son actually was relatively successful. He seemed like a good guy. His grand, his son's Nelson Rockefeller, he was the vice presidential nominee for the Republicans governor of New

York. But after that, you know, things start to drift off and now we're in the, you know, the fifth and sixth generation. You're oh yeah the Kennedy family dude you know it's like the longer you go down the Kennedy family you're like is there anybody impressive in the I saw JFK's grandson going around the DNC when I was there like filming tech talks and stuff and I was like bro oh that's the kiss John F Kennedy's grandson I know I want to shake him I'm like live up to your goddamn father your grandfather it's gotta be a crazy want to shake him I'm like live up to your god damn father Grandfather it's gotta be a crazy family and part of oh, yeah I just want to be like if you're a great grandfather the patriarch could see you he'd be sick

It was like looking around just fucking dancing. Yeah, he's like taking selfies me like hey guys Like you suck lady Gaga like yeah, I was like dude this guy blows. He's a dandy it is Absolute Danny behavior yeah I was like dude this guy blows. He's a dandy. It is absolute dandy behavior It just does suck because it's like you want to do well But it's like if you kind of like, you know, if you just try to go for the absolute top Yeah It does like without a vision of some sort you just end up just kind of like I think that Anybody who comes into even like a modest amount of money like you probably need to do some serious thinking you really need to be like, okay

Like what is my life gonna look like look children? This is why people need to sell a lot of weed when they're 20 I had the hero's journey. I came to like I would make like four thousand dollars a week and just be like shit You know, I was killing it. Well, I Lost all of it. Four thousand times 52 is how much? That's 200 something thousand dollars. As like a 25 year old dude. And I got to like, I got to like- And that's all cat. You're not even paying taxes. Yeah. I pay taxes. No. You get the ego inflation and then like I got the rug swept out from

under me. So that was one of the best experiences of my life to lose all, to get like the ego pump and then to have it just ripped away from you because otherwise yeah, dude it's like if you if you catch that like It gives you the thing like when things are going well. I have an understanding like yeah, you're a boss They can definitely not go well very quickly. Oh, absolutely So also I would just say I've met a lot of people who are like super wealthy and all of them are pretty weird Like every person I know every person I've ever met with a hundred million more net worth, I'm like, dude, you're a weirdo. Well, you can't connect with anybody. You can't talk about like if you even broach certain

subjects, 80% of people are going to be like, you want to know funny? And I was like, yeah, you know, when you're in an airport and he's like, I haven't been in airport in 20 years. And I was like, whoa, I was like, oh, cause you fly private. I was like, I've never even been on a private plane. I was like, that's a crazy, that was, it was just so casual. He's like, I haven't been in airport in 20 years. I know. I was like, oh, because you fly private. I was like, I've never even been on a private plane. I was like, that's crazy. That was so casual. I haven't been in an airport in 20 years. I know. I was like, whoa. OK.

What a life. Yeah. What does that even look like? Yeah, dude. I was talking to somebody one time. I was excited about flying first class. And he was like, dude, my kids have never not flown private. And I was like, oh, I didn't even think about that.

I was like, fuck. Yeah, but that probably really fucks them up. And what are they going to do then whenever they have to fly economy? Either they'll be stoked. Oh, here's the thing. I remember I grew up in like a upper middle class suburb. So like I moved to West Philly and I was in the hood and I was like, this is so cool.

And then like, so maybe they'll just be on an airplane and be like, wow. Yeah, but I mean, you know, sometimes you're, what is it, like C on Southwest and you're like trying to go for the middle seat or whatever. You know, like my life sometimes you're, what is it, like C on Southwest and you're like trying to go for the middle seat or whatever and you're like, my life sucks. Yeah, true. That's, that's, that would be- And I'm talking about plane.

And now I'm talking about, you know this, you're Northeast guy, megabus. Like when you're taking like a midnight megabus to New York city, the cheapest one. And you're like, well, I'll take a bag. And when I get there, like change in a bathroom and put a new shirt on. Dude, megabus was nice.

Megabus, we did the, there was a Chinatown bus. Oh, the Chinatown, I know the Chinatown bus. Chinatown bus, yeah, I know that one. Which in a bathroom and make a bunch of shirt on mega. But we did the China. There was a Chinatown. Oh, the Chinese. I know the Chinatown. Well, I know that pregnant lady driving. And you're like, what the fuck? But dude, yeah, it's stomachs up against the steering wheel. Yeah, for real, dude, there was real pregnant lady driving it.

Before the drug addicts were like freaking out in the back. It's like, hey, can y'all keep it down back there? Shut your goddamn mouth. That is true. It is. It does kind of set the bar too high. And then it's like you all you can ever do is be disappointed in life or, you know, like, I guess, you know, I did eventually become very disillusioned with life in the hood. I was like, this is sad. This is so sad. It's so dude. It's real. So sad. Because it's the systems are like designed to just keep everybody down.

I mean, look, they have individual responsibility for sure, but also the way the entire thing is designed. It's like, they keep it contained, nobody cares, everyone just wants to pretend it's over there. Dude, it's for real. I remember me, I bought a house in West Philly with my brother when I was like 21. The house, dude, the house was $27,000. I lived in there was like 21 it was like the house to the house was $27,000 I lived in there. Yeah, it's pretty it was pretty fucking awesome But yeah, we sold it and then it got knocked down to me. It was structurally it had a tree growing Yeah, it was bad but the but I remember like going into like my neighbor's house and they were like It's funny cuz when you live there like there are a lot of like, you know when you grow up

Like I wrote my parents watching Fox News. It's just the news being like black guys are up to no good again It's like so you get this like skewed picture and then you meet the individuals and you're like damn These are like some of the nicest people there's obviously there's people like just doing monstrous behavior Mm-hmm, but I remember like the first time I walked into somebody's like they're my neighbor's house it's like visually jarring because it's like Everything's just fucked up like every there's no symmetry that everything's built fucked up And it's like I remember like being ten you know there's just like bugs Yeah, and it's being like fuck dude. That's it was like just crazy. I know but then it's like that's why you have to do good

It's that's like the brutal reality behind all of like the you know let's save everyone political messaging. It's like dude Nobody you have to bail yourself out at the end of the day. You just have to. It's sad, it's not fair. Yeah, I look at it two ways. As in, we have to, of course, design and move systems to create a quality of opportunity, but you also have to have a responsibility, given the circumstances.

For example, I don't know, any money, anything. Anything that you're working with, I'll often be like, what a bullshit. For example, and you guys probably have this too. I, you know, Crystal and I co-own our shows. We're small business owners too. And we have to deal with all the small bit and all of the paperwork and all the fucking accounting and all the shit behind it is mind numbing. It's stupid. It makes no sense. It's genuinely not fair because these major corporations and all these other people get all of these crazy tax breaks and we're sitting here trying to figure this stuff out and it sucks all of our time and it's super stressful.

And I could just be like, oh, it's not fair. And it's actually not fair that people were small business owners. You get fucked. Like that's the real. But you just have to do it. Right. So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to sit here. I'm going to spend 10 hours of my goddamn time learning the ins and outs of all of this to make sure I'm not getting ripped off from my account Why don't you just pay an account? Oh you double check the account You gotta double check man You're I'm like you you know patreon and all this I want to be a good steward of other people's money like I don't

Pissing people's money away. It's not nice. You can't do that to people that makes sense Yeah, I mean it's a serious responsibility when you're like hey paying me $10 a month like it's not a fucking joke Yeah, you're like actually you have to be on the steward of that money for real. Oh, hold on. Yeah. You give their money, man. That's yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But no, I agree. I agree. You got to give me something. You got to do something. You can't just piss away. You're working for them. And you can't just, you know, and it's also money.

It's like, look, I grew up Indian. So, you know, we're money. It means something. You know, you're taught from a very young age. Dude, and I don't care how much money you have. a hundred dollars will always be a hundred dollars to me exactly 100 I know what it means. Yeah, it does and like it's still it's funny because it's in where I'm from in Garner Valley, Pennsylvania There had there's been like a massive influx of the Indian population all everyone know like people like landscaping companies. They're like Bro, they're like just haggling on the fucking law friend and they think they're he's like their lawns are this fucking high

yeah they're like I'm up a it's like my cousin's like brother haggle me to fucking death it's really funny yeah fuck him yeah yeah that's what he gets yeah but dude it is a yeah it is like it's one of those things I feel like India it's like they were out of the race conversation for a long time of course we are yeah we're we're the inconvenient minority. Asians in general are completely invisibilized by US racial discourse. Big time.

I mean, look. You guys are killing it, dude. Yeah, we're the richest people in America. It's awesome. Yeah, I think it's cool. I mean, I'll say this. It's not really fair, because Indians in America are so-called the the twice selected elite.

And so why do they say that? Because India is a billion people. OK, but the caste system where Brahmins, which is the top caste, those people. Oh, yes, Brahmins. Yeah, 40 percent. I think it's only like one or two percent of India. My math could be wrong. Yeah. But, you know, 40 percent. So one or two percent of India, but 40% of Indian

Americans are Brahmin. So that means 40% of the people here are part of the top one to 2% already of the Indian cast system. Yeah, because of doctors, engineers, lawyers, people who are highly educated. So part of Brahmin culture, that's where I come from too, by the way. But no, but I'm saying our family has generations of revering education, family. We don't drink alcohol. We're like, this is how we live our life. Like our life is about family. It's about furthering the next generation.

Individualism really is a concept is like not part of that. And that's actually why I think it meshes really well with America is America will drag you to individualism. America will drag you to a little bit of consumerism, a little bit of like you can be whoever you want to be. But the backstop that you have is like, no, no, no, no, this is not what we do. Like money, we don't spend it on stupid shit. When we have money, we spend it on books, on education. So the my upbringing was like, the budget is limitless for anything educational. The budget is like zero for anything stupid fucking around and I no offense white people

But I have noticed you have proclivities for new cars and for nice check my ride No, and nice kitchens and you know, you'll be and so I'll be like so your kids got $25,000 in debt and you've got a new fucking kitchen interesting in our culture. That shit does not fly Yeah, but that's why I would say Indians are very successful in America because it's like we're both obviously highly educated. That's number one. But two, I really think the culture is a huge aspect of it. Is the way that you revere money, you think about family, there are no Indian parents out there who have the money who are not paying for their child's college education. It's just, it would never happen. And in white families, there's this weird, uh, hyper end of it.

Like they got a, this like boomer mentality of like, they've got to figure it out because back in my day, I'm like, well, have you looked at inflation? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And you know, they're like, well, they'll get it when I die. I'm like, yeah, but it's actually way more useful to help your child out when you're there 18, 19 to 25. Those are the foundational years of your life. So that was it's a mindset difference. That was the one. No, no, dude.

I appreciate you saying that. That was the one thing my parents were actually really good about is like, don't go into debt if you ever avoided it all costs and also keep a low profile. Like don't don't try to. My dad does spaz. You like he'll get he has like phases where he has like 57 bicycles in his basement But they were very bad now my parents weren't like educated really they you know They went to high school and they got out that was it but they were very like that was the one thing I think that's the thing. I'm gonna copy off of them They like sent us to like an all-boys Catholic high school paid for our college and it's like that's the one thing with my kids

It's like we were looking for schools for my daughter right now, and it's like I was telling my wife, I'm like, is it, your mom's big on, a lot of people I know are like, public school is just as good. And it's like, I don't think so. I don't, I don't think, I genuinely don't think so. It's like, I'm assuming you live in a nice area. It probably is. Yeah, it's pretty nice. A lot of Indians, a lot of Indians, a lot of Indians.

I think you're probably fine then, man. I went to public school. Yeah. No, but now the public schools around me are it's like it's newly nice so the public schools are but it's like you compare it to a private school and it's like I mean you've done well for public school. I'll give you two cases. I'll give you the case for. My point is sorry before I cut you off. My point is if you if you can't afford it you should spend money on your kids education. That's all I was trying to say. Yeah yeah yeah absolutely. And so in that case it's, but more what I meant in terms of that is sometimes people will be like, I don't know, like I knew a girl who wanted to take a graduate test, like study for the GRE and she was like, Oh, my parents won't pay for my GRE test thing. But they have the money to pay for it. They're like, you have to work to go for your GRE test prep. I'm like, what? Like, who are your parents? Like, yeah, in my head, I'm like, that doesn't even fly.

Like, it's just, you know, but if I was like, hey dad, so if I was like that, I need $5,000 for a GRE prep course. And I was like 23 or whatever. Like, absolutely. But if I was like, I need $5,000 to go hang out in San Tropez or what it's like, he's like, what? Like, no way. Yeah. No, that may, it does make sense. That's what I'm talking about. A lot of the suburbs like what I'm talking about. Well, in a lot of the suburbs that I'm from, I've learned that many of the families are just debt.

It's just like the whole thing runs on a giant balloon of debt. Americans are obsessed with debt. Americans are obsessed with consumerism. And, you know, my dad, when he was making good money, was rolling around in the 1988 Mazda with no air conditioning in 150 degrees Texas with his windows rolled down. And he refused to get it. He eventually sold it for $1,000 after he put 200,000 miles on it. So it was like, that's where I come from.

And it's like, do you need a new Raptor truck, Texas? Probably not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like these guys, no offense, but if you look at the average car payment, Texas is the highest average car payment in the nation because all of these idiots are rolling around in trucks. You don't need a brand new truck.

Dude, trucks are like $80,000. You don't need $80,000 Raptor. It's ridiculous. Sorry, you need a Toyota Camry or a Hyundai or any of these other cars. They're great cars. They'll get you. So I am actually a big proponent of Dave these other cars. They're great cars. They'll get you.

So I am actually a big proponent of Dave Ramsey for the vast majority of people. I think Ramsey, his very, what you were just saying, I think his like common sense approach, if 95% of people followed their life that way, they would be better off. He's preaches like avoid debt, you know, don't use credit cards and all of this.

I personally am a big credit card point fiend, but you know, I pay it by balance and all this stuff. But here's the thing. I think what he gets at is what we were talking about with impulse control and all of this. I personally am a big credit card point fiend, but you know, I paid my balance and all this stuff. But here's the thing. I think what he gets at is what we were talking about with impulse control and all that. It's look, look at the stats. People can't control themselves. They're only paying the minimums. They're taking out 35, 40, 50% debt or whatever on their APR, HELOC loans and all this. He's taught me about financial products. I didn't even know existed. I'm like, wait, so people out there are taking two mortgages and then another mortgage on top of that one.

How do you sleep at night, bro? Dude, it's insane. Oh my god. I actually cannot imagine. So for anybody out there who's listening, if you listen to Dave and you actually take, at the very least, take some of the advice to heart, you know the number one thing is budget, too.

No matter how much money you make, you still need a budget. And the reason why is you just need to know where your money is going. And you need to be conscientious about every dollar that you spend. So like you were just saying, you and your wife need to sit down and make a choice. We're sending our kid to private school. That means this is our nut. We need x, y, and z amount per month. This is how it looks like.

And we're saving. And this is what it looks like. I have an open mind right now. I've looked at like four schools and it's like I've noticed a huge difference between public, but it's like if I see a public school that works, I would go, I don't, I don't like one or the other, but I went to both so I can make the case. So I was very lucky. So I grew up in College Station. I went to public school for the first 16 years of my life.

My last year was the high school. My parents, we moved to Qatar and I got to go to a very fancy private school. It was part of the deal. Like an international school. An international, the American school of Doha, right? So I went from a school where probably the median income of the parent was like, let's say like $40,000

to a school where the medium income of the parent was probably like $300,000. Yeah, yeah, like an elite school. It was an outrageously nice school. And we were flying for school trips like everybody there They have their parents work for Exxon and that was all of this we looked at like we're gonna send your fourth grader to France Yeah, a week. I was like what the fuck is like no That's what my last years of high school were like and I will tell you I definitely loved it

I loved it, but I would worry that if I had grown up in that environment and anybody out there if you've ever But I would worry that if I had grown up in that environment, and anybody out there, if you've ever interacted with people who are in that bubble, there's a lot of downside to that, man. That's when you were talking about the first class thing. We went on a school trip once, and one of the kids had never flown economy before. And we were all flying economy together. He was like 17 years old.

What the fuck is this? He had never been in economy class. He only ever flown first. And frankly, he was a pampered little bitch. And the people like that, there is something important. And I think about it too, about the people that I grew up with. I didn't even love them that much, I'll be honest with you. But it was important.

I got to interact with people from all across different walks of life. I think public education is very important. And I actually think at a young age too. I think in high school, I could make a really good case if you have the money to go to private school. If you look at the stats, private schools send the vast majority of their kids to Ivy League and to other schools, especially if that's what you want for your child. But K through what? Middle school. It's not really about education. It's about socialization. And so for socialization purposes, I don't really want my children, just me personally, to be growing up in a bubble. And in that bubble, I've spent enough time now in elite circles that I can see how dangerous that

it really can be to the mind and to how that person can eventually use that privilege and others. And first of all, they're overinterpreting their own success. Like this idea of like, they'll be like, oh, we're doing pretty good. I'm like, you are not doing shit. Yeah, I'm doing good. You're not doing good. You have not done anything.

And- Yeah, dude, it is weird, man. That's the kind of the thing I've been struggling with. It's like, you know, cause I don't want to be like, get them older and be like, what the fuck? You could have sent me to a nicer school. And I'm like, I don't want to be a dickhead. Yeah, but you can also just track each of your children.

And like, what if them one of them is real? There are different types of schools. There's magnet schools, there's math schools, there's sports, there's drama. There's like all these other ones. Like you got to what I would do is I would be like, OK, well, first of all, again, K through eight is about not about education. Actually, a lot of education,, my man, is on you. Exactly. So if anything, you're trying to pay somebody else to teach your kids how to read better.

That's about you. You got to do that. You don't have to step up in the house. I'm fucking, what are we talking about? Did we spell her name the other day? But that's what I'm saying. You got to be keeping that shit up every day. Tutors and shit.

Half of the school. Not even tutors. You need to be engaged. You need to be making sure that you're sitting there and making stuff, is this stuff done? Because that's where the parent is is, is the most important. Of course, you know, middle school, high school, when we start talking about SATs and that's when I think education and the quality of teacher can really make an impact on them.

But that's by the time they're starting to become like formed as a human being, may have an idea of what they want to do. But those initial years, I think it's really just about learning how to like be a person in the world about how to interact with others Following rule like what does it mean to like live in a society and and be in like this ordered? Yeah, you're a thing that we call so that's the purpose of school man for sure a day That's why homeschool people are fucking weirdos. Can we all be honest? Have you ever met a normal one? Freaks, right? It's true, man

I know people who are homeschooling right now. Let me piss at you, dude. I don't care. I mean every we met one homeschooled Sometimes they do it in pods and they're okay We've been a school kid in my baseball team and like we drove him to tears. Yeah, you sure it was he deserved it There is a huge aspect of the socialization for sure. Yeah it's important. For sure. But then it's like with the public schools, what are they getting socialized into? Then you look at all the other shit they had going on with like, you know, like when they're like don't tell your parents if you want to trans, come to us and we'll send you to... That's fair.

That was the shit that was free. You're living here in Texas dude, what are you worried about? Dude, here are, these schools, dude now all the schools, I'm in Austin. So the schools are like, dude they're pretty fucking, they go pretty hard with that shit. And that's the stuff that I'm like, but I don't know I'm about the rest of the burbs around it round rock Fredericksburg all those other but it can't be there I mean I grew up around here man. Like yeah, those people those are those from Bible Belt you've been going for a long time, dude Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you know, it's changed you left, bro. Yeah

That's that's kind of yeah, I don't know I went to a wall I won't buy we can get out of here soon Well, how long have we been doing, Josh? Damn, dude, we almost did a Rogan. Yeah, I'll let you out of here in a second, but- Sweet. I was laughing. Today we toured a- Because again, it's like I'm going to public schools.

Just trying to find, that's the one thing. I will try to give my kids the best in education. Well, you should. I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with doing private school or anything. I will say, today, so I was thinking that. I went to a Waldorf school today. I don't know if you're familiar with Waldorf.

I know, I'm familiar with what it is. Dude, I've never seen anything like that in my life. And it was like almost, theoretically I'm like, it's all the stuff I like and I saw the reality of it and I was like, no, it was just like almost creepy. I agree. There was a, at one point, there's one dude in the tour, no matter what the person said, he would go,

oh, that's so important They were like we have climbing trees we have trees we don't climb those are the climbing trees and he goes Yes, and it was and then they were in another room and they're like for math We have a tactile sensory aspect where we have these marbles and they're actually Counting the mark and the guy literally over marbles goes. Oh, yes I was like dude, would you shut the fuck up? There becomes a point of it where it is like there are some Millennials like a fake favor like we did the odd entire Odyssey school play in fourth grade. It's like

Yeah, all right, dude Trends like the wall door. I don't I need to look more into I'm not a hundred percent. I think they do well I think it has like but go ahead. I'm sorry Well, I was gonna say gentle parenting is the one that I've become familiar with. Yes. This millennial trend of being like, they don't say the word no.

Right? Everything is about redirection. And the Indian in me is like, how can you possibly turn out like a well-formed adult? Like actually a huge, I would say majority of adulthood is learning how to deal with the consequences of the word. No, that's what a job. Fuck you. No, there's a giant, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, in the rigorous old school, like, if you get in trouble, you get hit, all that stuff. I do think that's not a good idea to do.

Probably. I think it's genuine. I don't think it's the end of the world, especially if you're not getting drunk and coming in for no reason. If there's a rhyme and reason to it, it's not the worst thing. But I do think the punishing physically makes you, as a kid, kid like I'm not going to tell my parents anything. I don't want to get smacked in the head. No, but they need consequences of a kind. You need to take away the things that they like.

Or be like you're in the silent treatment or stuff like that. I think consequences are really important because man, when you get shielded from it and honestly, even I remember that first time when you're 22 years old and you graduate from college and you're actually out on your own and You really are like you're like, oh my god, like this is this sucks So now you make a bad decision and you're sitting there, you know And you're like, oh dude, and this is on me and I'm by myself right now. Nobody's gonna bail you out right now I'm telling you the worst the worst possible is when you're making bad decisions and it's paying off because eventually it all hits you and you go oh

It comes for everybody dude and you go oh man the older you get you go There's no way I gotta live my way through this now, and it's like bro. Hey great dude. Thank you so much for coming I can talk to you forever. I really enjoyed it. This is actually pretty fun. Dude. Thank you man. Appreciate you. Thank you