Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast - Ep 638 - Beef Raised Right (feat. Mason 'Bric' LaDue)

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

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Wow, Wow, Wes. Yeah, I remember when I opened for Shane at The Link, we did like two sound checks. I was like, good to go. I trust these sound guys. I got up there and just every fucking word I said was like times eight. Just right back. I would say something and it would echo like eight times into my ear. It's got to bounce off so many things in there.

Yeah, well, it just felt maddening. And then I'm like, you know, I'm like the sound guys right to my right because it's like that you're in the rounds, you're moving around. So I like, you know, I'm doing like a minute. I'm like, they'll figure it out. my trusted sound guys. I turned to look at them. They were like this.

Just arms crossed looking at me like, look pissed at me. I'm like, what the fuck, man? This fucking guy is supposed to be a professional. It was the funniest shit in the world. Just like, arms folded, just like leaning this chin down. I'm like, man, you couldn't be less interested in this right now.

I had to hold the mic like down here the whole time. You're trying to shut that dough? Yeah, I'll get it. The first thing I always do on tour is go meet the sound guy. Yeah. I mean anything, man. How you doing? I'm glad to be here.

I heard a lot of good. things about you i should introduce you mason ladue how you doing guys that what do you go by mason brick brick yeah yeah brick was in it brick is such a sick fucking name yeah it was a happenstance how it came about yeah take me back take what give me the holes you have i know you have a really sick story i don't know if uh i've been conned around you could biography mog a lot of people probably it's pretty sick but all by mistake too all by just bouncing around no yeah no real plan. That's how you do it. I mean, you know, I grew up in the Dallas area in Texas and, well, I grew up in the rural area of Texas and Dallas area, went to school, like middle

school, high school, suburbs of Dallas and just kind of had like a real, you know, like multifaceted, you know, upbringing as far as seeing exposed to different like rural life, cowboy life and then suburb life. Yeah. You know, I'm 43, so I was a, you know, Columbine happened my sophomore year in high school. 9-11 happened my freshman year in college. So a lot of like cultural, impactful stuff, internet came about. I just had a pretty cool upbringing. And it just bounced me around in the music business.

Yeah, wait. So how did you start? Did you start on the ranch or did you start in the subway? So we all grew up out where I work at now. It's in Leon County. That's where my whole family is from. And it just super rural in the 80s and 90s. it was obvious that school and all that, like raising kids was going to be pretty tough.

So, like, my parents, my dad had a family business in the Dallas area, and so we just kind relocated to the suburbs. And that's where I grew up the most of, like, my childhood and all that. And basically split in time, you know, like school, then every weekend or holiday, you know, head of the ranch. It was my great-grandparents ranch. It's a big ranch. Yes.

It's quite large. We've done a little bit more expanding from what they happened. They had a little bit more of a homesteading aspect. But, you know, that was kind of a lifestyle back then, too. You know, the chickens and a garden, cows and just the whole thing. I mean, dude, not to obviously try to be an imposter. I read Lonesome Dove the first time this year. I was convinced I was a cowboy for like.

That's a good, that's a right of passage. I feel like it should be government mandated that you, every American family watches. may even get your citizenship. Watch. That's your point. You have to watch Lonesome Dove on VHS. Not DVD. I mean, that's not a hard sell.

I mean, why not? No, I mean, that's also what I've heard, especially when I've worked with Mexican guys, they get disappointed when they come here because they think we're all cowboys. They think we're like real. They think we're like Slim Jim and Brim. And they come here and they're like,

you guys are like weak and effeminate. We're like, no, not all of us, man. Come on. Yeah. I mean, coming from Mexico, seeing cowboys then ending up on like a liberal college campus

you must be like... It's all sly off. I got tricked. I got tricked. We're in North Korea. So you did, you were in the Dallas area. So how did you get into kind of the,

I think you're kind of underselling it. How did you get into the whole music thing? So in high school, I was a little bit of a rabble rouser, you know, didn't really follow a lot of rules and all that. And it would send me down, you know,

I had an efficiency for weed. So it would send me to play. where the weed was, and I ended up fellowshiping with those fellows and getting into business with them. Fellowship. You are hanging around the boys. Yeah, I was with the boys

quite early in life. You're fellowshiping. I think like... You didn't fellowship of the Nugs. I think like the, yeah, truly, true. And back then, that fellowship was a secret society. Yeah, man. Because weed was super taboo. Especially in Texas.

Texas, it was bad. Even I grew up in the, in the Philly suburbs. Even then, it's like, you would go to jail for like a pound of weed. Oh, it was going to jail. Yeah, it was bad. And so I became the liaison, you know, I was the goldfinger. So, so that kind of integrated me into like, you know, more like I became, I was also obviously growing up in the 90s because that was a huge rap fan. Just my default. For sure.

And so that kind of put me in the mix, being in the urban developed areas to get my flower. And, and I was like, what are y'all listening to? And it was like chopped and screwed, like screw music. And I was, you know, a white kid, essentially from the suburbs. I had no idea, but I just knew that was the coolest sound I ever heard. And it was all local, like Dallas, Houston music. And I didn't really know the difference. It was just independent.

The only way I knew it was kind of like less put together. Yeah. You know, like less like, you know, it was kind of like crappier quality CDs, crappy quality sound. And I was like, oh, this is like cool, like local. So then I became kind of prideful of it being like from, Texas and I just got super into it and, you know, made friends with a bunch of people that were doing it. And one of us, two or three of us would always go down there and hang out. They started

doing concerts. They started putting out mixtapes doing shows. Who was they at this time? Oh, I'm sorry. So this would be Dirty South Riders, which is Big Tuck and Tom Tom, which are like considered like Dallas Legends. Yeah. Nowadays. One of my best friends is Tom Tom. He had a song go on the radio like 2006. And he was just, you know, off to the races. Yeah. The Texas music scene was largely independent in the early odds. And so there was a lot of money to be made.

Yeah. And the mixtape scene, there was a lot of places for at this time, you know, 19, 20-year-old young squire trying to hustle up whatever, infatuated with money and taboo. It was the perfect blend for me to get into it. And, I mean, you're buying CDs wholesale. two or three dollars and selling them for 10. Yeah. I mean,

and we were hopping out at gas stations, but y'all want this mixtape. And I mean, oh, that's crazy. It was just a crazy hustle. It was so fun. I didn't realize you would enlist the help of other people to sell your mix tape.

Oh, big time. That was the biggest with all these mom and pop CD stores. Yeah. It was just like this big tape trade going on, you know, and I would, you know, I got in the mix with Tom because his song was on the radio and we were off the races pretty early, like 2003,

2004. How old were you doing this? I was like 20. Damn, so you're just getting blazed and hustling chop and screwed mix-aids? Yeah, yeah. That's a dream. That's a fucking dream, dude. Coming from a town of 108, 58 people.

You know? And then when it go into a 5A high school, I went to a 5A high school, which out here, that's like, my graduating class was 800 people. Damn. So, which I think there's even bigger schools. I don't think there's like 6A out here, even 7A. Big schools out here. And football school is all that.

I always derived from football. So anyway, so just got in the mix and then became friends with Paul Wall and Houston, Slim Thug. And it's all based on making money together. Yeah. Selling CDs, doing shows, putting things together on the music scene and, you know, meet them everywhere. And, you know, Paul is just one of those guys that's just the friendliest. Heard he's the man. He is the coolest, bro.

Like, one thing that's a constant in my life is I was supremely blessed to be around people who were super solid. Yeah. I was putting my neck out there and I could have got. How so? Just like, I mean, just high risk activity. Yeah.

You know, and just be, I mean, the rap game kind of turned in for a while. Like, it was, you know, it was domestic warfare at certain points.

Like, we were running security detail. It got pretty wild. You know, it's just high stakes shit. You know, it's just high stakes shit going on. Where were the stakes?

More like there's a bunch of money. It was like kind of like a gold rush in terms of the money. What would that be like a? I think it was the culture at the time was like getting money off of being kind of, well, I mean, like Tom's song, the first words in Tom's song that made, that was his first big hit was I'm going to do something bad to you because you're a motherfucking hoe. True. So here I am going around doing these concerts. The whole concert turns into a big fight. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, there's videos of me and YouTube fighting my ass off at these shows. And what people would hear that in the crowd, like, no, you won't. Or just like when they come to town, we're going to. see. Oh yeah. And like Tom's group like we were we were known like back then we would go to the club to fight. You know, we would go to the club and be 30, 40 deep and just be like, man, I got some shit to get off my chest. We're just going to fight. It's like little John. I knew I was going to be supremely jealous. I mean, we're going to the club during like little scrappy head buses is playing. Yeah. Like come on. And then the whole club starts fight and then

they start playing like lovers and friends by usher trying to calm everybody down it was a war zone but it's crazy like man it really like accelerated me like as far as like you know earning my stripes as chauvinistic as that says but it just like prove like you know i'm just with it like if you're wrong and i'm your boy we're both wrong yeah we're going down together fuck it yeah you know and so well let me so did you gravitate towards more of like a business like you're a producer right Did you kind of take the range of business? It was just appealing to me. Yeah.

The money hand over fist and the pop culture blend. It was just appealing. And I just had the personality like I'm a people person. I can put people with people. I'm a dot connector. You know, I can fix the. I'm, you know. Your gold finger.

Right. I'm the man. So like, it just, I just was able to be the man where they can't be the man because they're being the artist. Right, right. So like, it just works so well. And then, so Tom had another song go on the radio. 2009 and that's when we were doing like they used to have these like car show circuits where local

radio stations would pay you in radio spins to perform these car shows for free so we'd like hey you know 10,000 spins or whatever for your song that's on the radio come perform for free and it'd be these huge like convention center car shows it was called like lost magnificos it was like a lowrider club yeah but it'd be like 10 15 20 000 people there a huge thing and so you pay to put your music yeah and so it's this big like business thing with the local radio and you got to play fair and you can't smoke weed in the convention center

and you know there's all this like bullshit like you know like kind of mandatory shit you got to do in the industry and we would meet guys like you know that we were familiar with they would also have songs of radio like

Wiz Khalifa and that's how I met Wiz was through these car shows he had a song to him had a song we all loved weed weed was taboo yeah didn't know where to find it I'm the man you know

and so we just kind of it just all just formed through like a fellowship a true you know like matter of fact me and paul our group chat for the longest was called the underground lean network oh yeah so but take me back to the lean when did the lean hit was a lean already on the scene so lean was part of it like already yeah and it was cheap and it was just kind of like something we did yeah and then it became more expensive and like i don't drink alcohol yeah so i'm smoking weed and this is like delicious drink pops in front of me it makes me fall asleep here we go.

Yeah. So it is delicious. It was, it is very delicious or was. I have done it quite a while. If you get into all the weird things of the different color liens and how like the yellow lean is like,

I stayed pretty purple drink. You're a purple drink all the time. That's good for you. And then I weaned myself off the red drink. And then once it started getting tricky, I was just kind of like, you know, fuck all this, right?

Yeah, yeah. So I definitely, I mean. What's the most we ever powed up? Oh, man. I was, I was an everyday civil. for two or three years.

I got up to 300 pounds. Damn. And it's the soda that kills you. It's a soda. I always hear about the lean-bell. A liter sprite. I do a liter sprite. I put four ounces in a liter sprite,

like instead of coffee. Yeah. You know what? And then smoke a joint and then wonder why I got a bad attitude. Yeah. You know? And be like, I don't know why I can't get shit done today.

Look at the baby bottle. Yeah. You haven't shit. for like, yeah. So, but it's just like, does lean constipate you?

Uh, shit, I don't remember shit and so I guess so. Yeah, fuck. I mean, but it was like, I don't want to like say,

it was pretty prevalent. Yeah. So like, I think you at that, in my era, when it was cheap and available, you had to make a decision to not be a lean sipper.

Yeah, yeah. If you're, especially during the, I mean, everybody walked around with cups and everybody. I mean, but it was also a crazy charge

if you got caught. Yeah. Because there's this dilution dilution rule on the book because like some tweaker try to dump a bunch of speed into like two gallons of bleach.

They gave him. And so the rule is you diluted that whole. So if you get caught with like a liter sprite and you might have four ounces. They weigh it all up. You're the, you're the kingpin. Yeah.

On paper. I knew, I knew this like, she was like a little hippie chick. And she had taken a tray of brownies she made. she made to like one of those like Tennessee hippie festivals. She was in Tennessee.

The cops got her and charged her with like five pounds of Wizards and Brownies. It's actually a super antiquated rule that everyone, it's a law or what they call statute that all the legal beagles follow and you know, if it wasn't to deal with like

a severe opiate, it probably should be reversed. I don't want to be a proponent of people getting away Scott free with having a shit ton of drugs. Like it is a Someone a victim is crime. But if it is 80% soda. It's like, that's recreation. And plus, it's like, come on,

I'm definitely not sharing this shit with nobody. Yeah, true. There's no distribution going on at all. Damn, so it was just, how long was that period of just? For probably like, I mean, I was into the music scene early in the Texas, probably like, you know, from like 02 to 06 and it was all in the mix. And then they started trying to play with it and like, you know, it got bro. popular and then the whole Justin Bieber

you know he was actually a real big reason why they got rid of that shit at first go rid of what the brand the activist brand he got caught with lean or something like that did he really totally blew the roof off of the whole operation and so it got so bad you say blew the roof off he just got a lot of attention

or you said it just made it nationwide pop culture popular yeah I didn't realize Justin Bieber's yeah it wasn't the lean industry didn't have the bandwidth for that for the Bieber rub It didn't have the bandwidth for the Beaver Rub. That's crazy.

How much did he get caught with? I think he just got, he just kept fucking up a bunch and they're like, I remember Bieber's bad boy. Yeah, and it was lean. He was, his bad boy era was fueled by, who gave him the lean?

He was best friends with a Texas rapper. I did not know Bebs were sipping like that. Yeah, so they, you know, this is all kind of rumored in you and it's also out there. You know, I'm not revealing.

Oh, my bad. But no, but yeah, makes him even cooler. But yeah, I mean, but that was, that just shows you how, first of all, how. Also explains a lot. Explains all of his, like, nasty stuff he got in trouble for doing it. Yes.

He had lean head. He had lean face. Like, it's totally understandable, you know? Remember he got into it with a football player on the street? Chad, was it Chad Johnson? Oh, he got into it with those you say? It wasn't, no, it was, no, it was the other dude. He played for USC, Kishon Johnson.

Did he really? Oh, he got it because he kept speeding down his road. so Keishon were like, damn kids. Like, and it was, you know, he just had lean attitude. And lean gives you bad attitude, too. Really? Yeah, he just had lean to, man. That's funny.

I'll never forget. I remember, because it was like, in Philadelphia, it came way later. And. No, Philly, it was the start. That's where it started. Oh, yeah, it was the pancakes and syrup, they used to call it. Dude, all the Philly rappers, when Texas, like Beanie Siegel and all them were like, y'all just now doing that, we sit that shit straight out of the bottle.

Yeah. Beanie Siegel probably is the first lean rapper on record. That's funny. That's the North Philly. It was the Percocet's and Lean. It was pancakes and syrup. Yeah. I thought it was after though.

No, they were first. It came from there. Yeah, because up there, it used to, the brand was called Bar, B-A-R-R-E.

And I think there's like Philly slang that they call it bar only or something. Way old school. They call it bar. That's interesting. I had no idea. I always accredit it to Texas. Well,

Philly was copycad. We did it better. True. Who did the double cup first? I think we did the dope because it's so fucking hot down here. True. The double cup is to save the ice. Yeah.

Also, to sip it straight out the bottle is kind of... That's pretty crack. That's insane. I remember just once, I remember I finally got my hands on a big pint of lean. I was so excited to sell it. And I gave it to my friend's house.

He drank all of it. Or like enough of it. He drank enough of it and just crashed his car into a hill. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, yeah, dude, I fucked up. That shit's so fucking sick. Friday, Saturday night, you just have...

People fall asleep at red lights after the club. Just like, I was dead asleep at the gas stations and shit. They used to cut it with corn syrup. Cero. Yeah, Kero syrup. Yeah, Kero syrup. That's what I was going to cut it with Kero syrup. Got Kero in your cup.

Yeah. Out of lie. They said if it was crud, if you undid the thing and it was crusty, it was all Keros or if you flipped the bottle over and had the little like residue of the needle getting pulled, bro. People were so full of shit. Crackheads are amazing, aren't they in all shapes and forms? Yeah.

It's just such a funny. It was expensive. It was so expensive. And then you put it in a baby bottle and you'd have grown adults making thousands of millions of dollars like, ah, like like a bottle in the club. Like, bro, there's no way that drop. It's the funniest drug of all time. Lean is by far the easily the funniest drug. Design as far as designer drugs, it's got to be the most asinine.

Yeah. Like, right. Like, I'm not going to, like, I can understand Coke and Molly. Like, I'm going to sedate myself. Yeah. And also, I feel like it doesn't, like in a small dose, it doesn't really do much. That was kind of the thing. Like, you pay a lot for it.

You almost had to take Percocets with it. Well, in Texas, it started because smoking fry, smoking PCP was so big down here, they would sip, lean to level themselves off off the fry. It all comes back to harder drugs at all times. That's true. So you did that. So you're in the mix. It sounds truly insane.

Yeah. It was just, I mean, there's, I mean... I didn't realize, like, the adversarial nature of trying to tour with rap. I was like, yeah, you're kind of talking shit to them. Yeah, it's kind of a big machismo thing. And especially, like, I mean, we... Like I said, I was blessed to be around, like, real cool guys. And, like, we were, like, real...

You know, we didn't get into a lot of shit. We had a dust up with the franchise boys, remember, in the White T's. Yeah, yeah. What was the franchise boys, bro? We beat the fuck out of them in the mall in Dallas. Wait, where did you meet him a mall? And the malls, dude, are Because

Tom and them used to wear the tall T-shirts and keep the tall T-T sticker on them and the franchise boys had Yup in my white Tee and so they made a remix and shit on Tum and them keeping the sticker on

like it's some country shit So Tom's like, I'll see you when I see you and we did. You went to the franchise boys and asked the mall? Yeah, it made the mall keep a statue where like groups of three

can't, no more than groups of three can be. We mopped them from fucking And wet sealed a dealers, they had no chance. The mall, the mall is like a entity has been for two decades now trying to figure out how to politely deal with black people. In Austin, in Austin during South by Southwest, and they used to have this track meet called the Texas Relays, everyone would just go to the mall and they would turn it to just a one way. You couldn't just gallivant in there.

You had to do a big lap. And it was just basically like a conveyor belt of who you want to fucking fight. it was crazy. The mall used to be the spot. It used to go down. Man, I went to a mall recently and it's dastardly in there these days. Oh, my God.

It's a... It's just internet rappers. It's like retail hospice. The kiosk guys aren't even passionate no more. No, it's... Yeah, they're not even trying to run out and, like, do one of your nails or whatever. I would think the kiosk guys would be bought.

I mean, all the fake jewelry, like, this is their time. I know. And they're just not in, they just don't give a fuck. No, the heart's in it, man. There's,

there's no, every mall that I grew up going to, if I go there now, it's like, well, it's either shut down or you go in there and you're like, dude,

what the fuck is this? It's like, discount like 70% off. Yeah. Baby clothes. No, it'll be like you can go, most of the stores that I've seen are like,

it'll be like a Chinese lady that sells like books, video game, CDs and like bamboo little plants. Who the fuck is this for? Who's coming here to purchase your hair? Like those little ones.

waterfall plant things. Like, what the fuck is this place? Yeah. Yeah, Jin Lee gotten a little dust up in the mall. He fought a bunch of kids in the mall. That's a Dallas thing, man. Yeah,

just fighting in Dallas. He's a Dallas. He's a true Dallas trap white. Yeah. He's a true trap white. That's a new category. Trapper white. I was a trap white.

You were trapped white. I was trap white. That's so funny. Yeah. I understand Ginley. Yeah. I, dude. Ginly fucking does.

I didn't go to the in bombs. Yeah, you didn't go all the end. No, that's a little crazy. Yeah, that's... Teach us on. True. True.

Not for me. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's a lifestyle for sure. Yeah. That's true choice. I knew a couple white guys, like, back when I was, like, up to my no good era. I remember meeting, like,

the, like, real trapper white guys, and they were just, and we were just roll off their tongue. East Coast, it's a thing. Yeah, they were just rolling off their tongue. Look at Fat Joe. Like, yeah. Well, yeah, he's Puerto Rican, so.

See, that it's question it's question marked it's question marked these guys were just like crusty grimy white guys yeah yeah and they were just like hey what's up man or is this what we're doing now what's going on they're more from like what are you going to do about it perspective i don't think they even fucking think about it i think they're just like

what i definitely know a lot more east coast trap whites that's just part of their vocab down south it's a little bit more like there's a little bit more it's more touchy feel yeah a little more charge yeah yeah you notice that with the stand up. You bring up race stuff sometimes in the South. Oh, damn. Yeah. They're like, yeah. Yeah. They're like, man. What do you? Next. Next. I don't want to think about it. Yeah. Although I feel like the South is, I mean, it's definitely more integrated than the Midwest. The Midwest, oh my, dude, the Midwest is so segregated. I was in Milwaukee this weekend. Dude,

Chicago is like, I've, I've never seen anything like it. Oh, well, despite pre-George Floyd, I always said Minneapolis was the racist place I ever been. Yeah. They, he, he, The venues up there used to fucking hate to see us coming when we toured. Really? Yeah. And we're like, at this time I'm touring with Wiz. And I was like,

bro, we're just smoking mad weed. Like, we're doing it. And they would just be just real just firm with us. And you would hear stuff like at the venues, you know, you get in there at Lodin and you'll,

you know, all the crew members are getting dispersed for their job for the night. And like, I was standing there and I guess they didn't know I was part of the road crew. And this lady walks by to the sound engineer and goes, ha ha, you have the rap show tonight. I'm just like, bro, we fucking sold 10,000 tickets. Hey, what the fuck?

Comedy clubs do that a lot. Really? A lot of, yeah, there's a lot of talk. They'll be like, yeah, it's a bit of an urban crowd last weekend. They'll try to beat around the bush. They'll beat around the bush with you. Yeah. Yeah.

They don't really beat around the bush with you. And be like, oh, yeah. We're really glad to see you. It would be, it's a great sociological experiment to travel the United States. States visiting like 500 to 2,500 person rooms. That's the true core of America. Yeah. That's who's like, like the, like you see the regions like, you know, like Pacific Northwest.

That's a different type of fellow up there, you know, and then like the south. And then like these are all like, like these people are all so different. And it's like even how they watch a show. Yeah. What they do after the show during the show, it's all different. I'd have to say the Midwest probably got the most fucked up it shows. Really? The most tore up.

Yeah. Yeah. Dude, there was. Nothing else to do. True. I was leaving the show in Milwaukee. And this car, I'm like walking past like a, there's like a parking lot. This car pulls out and there's one guy opens the door.

He goes, holy shit. You're, uh, yeah, I know that guy. And they're fucking shit face driving. And the one guy opens the door in the back goes, who are you? How does he know you? driver just goes, he's a barstool legend. And they kept screaming.

He's a barstool legend. That's who he is. Like, you're a fucking barstool legend. And there's like, fucking hammered screaming. All like misplaced grand theft audio characters, he's a barstool legend. I remember what we did.

Did you ever do knitting factory? Mm-mm. And Spokane? No. Okay. I think it's the, knitting factory in Spokane. Well,

Spokane is a spooky town. Spokane is fucking, I was just there. Really? Yes. So you know what happened to them? They were a like a train, you know, a railroad town. That dried up. So some fucking person in the 90s went, what if we just

turned us to our city into like a massive hub for bus stops from all over the area? That's why they Yes. That's why it's so fucked up. So be transient fucking weirdos there. No offense to Spokane. Listen, Dude, it's, no, I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you guys should fucking murder that lady

or whoever came up with that idea. Like, it was a city council person's like, that was a stop. That was a, you get war mode on that shit. We're going to import weirdos from everywhere. Dude, it's like, it is a very spooky town for real. It's crazy. It's fucking nuts there.

And they have, I think, uh, Gonzaga's right there too. Really? Yeah. That's Bellingham, I thought. Was that right there? It's right there. Because I, I didn't believe it. I looked it up.

And it's like maybe. right it's right next thing. And Gonzaga is a groovy college. Yeah, Gonzaga is a super nice place. And then you just like walk and you see it. It's like a like 14 benches in a row with like a big building. And it's just a bunch of different like Peter Pan, Greyhound, just the best and the brightest. We were all sitting outside of the venue in Spokane and two dudes got kicked out. And big batch was like, yeah, they were doing coke in the bathroom. And the guys turned around and we're like, we weren't doing coke in the bathroom. We're gay. We were having sex. You're going to prejudice for having gay sex. And I was like, that's a crazy, like, pivot.

Like, you'd rather be gay than Coke? Like, what the fuck? You really want to see the concert. Yeah, like, he was in. It was, uh, we, I was, that time I was touring with Yellow Wolf. Nice. There was a yellow wolf crowd at that. Yeah.

Wild. Yellow Wolf is a, he's an interesting cat. Is he really? I don't really know much about him. Man, he's just, uh, he was one of the first, like, really, like, white rappers, you know, from down south that was really kicking ass. And, you know, he's certain. Like, he's good.

he's got a crazy following. Yeah. I mean, we were doing super sold out shows. And he's just, he's a wild man. He's a true, like Johnny Cash Wildman type,

you know. That's pretty cool. Pretty cool dude, you know, had a lot of fun. I was touring with him. I had to sign a group from Dallas. I was trying to break.

And it was terrible on that end, but the tours were fun because the yellow was the man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is it like, what have you noticed in terms of like the life of a white rapper versus like a black rapper?

And like, what is it? What is it like? for a white guys. I mean, my only perspective is my perspective. And like, I very rarely,

like, really I had more problems with like office people in New York. Yeah. The rift I saw was being dumb down South Texan trying to go do business with those guys in New York in the offices. Yeah. That was the only real like racial. Right.

Right. Like Paul, you know, Paul Wall, he moves freely about, you know, just, like I think once you get to that certain stage of artistry,

like there's no challenge. Yeah, nobody really gives a shit. I was around Post Malone in the very, very beginning, and people viscerally reacted negatively to his, you know, I had to do a lot of, like, defending him, like, physically, you know, like, really. Yeah, because you kind of did, you, what did you connected him with Wiz Khalifa early on?

Well, so me and Wiz were, whiz was doing, like, a lot of, like, DJ gigs. So it kind of had, and this was kind of like in music when, like, a lot of like one hit wonders for like a better words were popping up like that up on a Tuesday song Travis Scott had Mommacita that and like all these guys were kind of new young thug was on fire and so we're constantly like digging the crates per se to find these songs for Wiz to play like alongside Wiz he's like I need I want to break new music he didn't want to just play club hits right he wanted to use a platform for like new new shit you know and so we were

constantly just trying to find new shit and then White Iverson came about and basically just like I think we found it on SoundCloud like SoundCloud's algorithm just threw it in front of it. Whoa. And it was real melodic. I mean, it was a great song. And so like, wow. And it was also pretty different from anything that's out.

And I knew that one of the producers on it from, from Atlanta, his name was FCI at first. And he was quite established. He had done stuff with Travis Porter, you know, like all these Atlanta guys. So I was like, okay, so this has some legs, and the song was pretty unique. And then I started looking into it. Well, the song had like 300 plays when it came across her SoundCloud. And I played it. And I started, I'm just sitting on the laptop.

I was like, kids from Dallas. Oh, so I was like, oh, white kid, Dallas, gold teeth, braids. Like, yeah, this is the emulating. Yeah. Yes. You know what I mean? And so I remember I told Wiz these easy guys words. I go, hey, I'm going to play this song for you.

You should play it tonight. kid from Dallas. And like his backs to me, he's like, I'm not playing it because it's your friend. I was like, no, no, I don't know this guy. And so we played it and he was like, oh, my God. And so like, we recorded the video of Wiz playing it in the club that night and posted it to Twitter. And then like, Mac Miller hit himself like, what is this? Like, oh, that was a good example of like white rappers moving around.

Like, Mac Miller, like, you know, like, he had no qualms. Everyone loved that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if it was like a just a thing at first, like getting established. I guess that's with everybody.

Maybe in the very, very beginning. But like by the time you're kind of like out on the road with a following, like all that. Also too, I think it's pretty brutal for everybody. I'll never forget. I used to work with this guy. And we were doing demolition. He like came to my house. He was just grabbing some weed.

And then my, I was like, I happened to be living next to this older guy that I just worked with. It just literally was a coincidence. And he had these kids and his one kid. was like I'd put out like a record and uh I remember my friend comes over and they're all in the car like yeah this is our our kids you know he's playing a song like showing it my friend stuck his head into literally stuck his head in the car in the window listening went man that shit's fucking trash and then walked into my house and I was like that was so rude dude yeah why did you basically the internet that was he was the first Instagram comment yeah that's just fucking trash and I'm like

dude they're my neighbors why did you just do that to them that's he's like that shit sucked mr. YouTube. That's what was. It was just like, dude, they're celebrating. But, uh, it was just really, so I guess it's just, yeah, it's, it's probably tough all around until you're established. And so, like, Post had, like, you know, he had a lot of visceral reactions and then like the culture

vulture crap was real big and appropriate all these, like, terms that didn't exist in my world. Yeah. I never heard these. No one, damn sure ever said those to me. So I kind of just took them under my wing like, hey, I believe in you. You're good kid.

Yeah. If anybody says anything crazy to you, give me a call. You know what I mean? I just kind of big broed them a little bit. And it worked well. Like, man, I think, like, artists like that are magical. And, like, I hate saying, like, I discovered them. Yeah, yeah.

Because, like, I think it's just, like, already in the clouds what's going to happen. Right, right. It's a destiny fulfilled at that point. Right. But I do sometimes wonder, without the firm fisticuffs that I've laid down, would it have been so easy for them? And what were some of the fisticuffs that had you laid down? Charlemagne the God got him on breakfast club.

I remember you dressed him down. Yeah, and I flew up there next week and made sure, like, that wasn't cool, bro. What do you say? Not too much. Dude, and you bitch Charlemagne, you're just fucking so fucking cool. Fuck! And then DJ Academics, DJ academics had some crazy shit. I caught him in an elevator.

He's always talking shit. Yeah, I caught him in an elevator at 300 records in New York. And I just, and he's a little dude, too. Really? Oh, yeah. I caught him an elevator. I go, they're revamped on academic.

I just looked at him. I said, you need to quit talking about post like that. Because, like, you know what could happen right now. And he just was like, and I just, and I just walked out.

Damn. I was like a tier one operator. Just like, but that was happy. I just was like, I texted him. I was like, bro,

I just happened to be in the elevator with this clown. You know what I mean? Dude, that's hilarious. Uh, you know, and like,

everything's about, like, I didn't really realize how much of the entertainment, internet stuff was making these guys money. Yeah. Like the academics and all these guys. Like, I'm a huge pro wrestling fan.

So like now hindsight 2020, I was pretty passionate about Post and protecting them. I probably would have done things eloquently, but still pretty firm with those guys. Because they had a chance to fuck them over, you know, before anything. Yeah. I wouldn't cool. I don't,

I've never been cool with that. Yeah. He's also such a talented dude. Like, you can't deny. He's really nice. I've met him once. He's a super nice guy. This episode is brought to you by Ethos.

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compared us, like, our trajectories and, what's the internet? What's the anime term? What's it called? Destiny swapped. Destiny swap. Yeah. They're saying, they're saying that,

I got Destiny Swaffed with them. It's pretty funny. That's really funny. I mean, it is what it is. Hold on, but here's the thing, though, dude. I mean, being on the fucking ranch after all that, kind of rules.

Dude, like, let's be honest, it was my original, like, life plan. I was a ranch management major in college. It's what my family does. I always knew I was going to wind up back there. What I didn't think I was going to happen was have, like, a 15-year detour and music.

Yeah. And I had a lot of, fun. I met a ton of great people and up and down, up and down trials and tribulations. Right. I don't know if I would, I can't say I wouldn't change the thing because there's a lot of times these days where I

damn there have tears in my eyes how happy I am living now and I was like, damn, I sure wish I wouldn't have just committed to this 20 years ago and I could be so further along. Right. That makes sense. I was telling that to, I was confiding it to one of my cowboy buddies and he goes, shoot, man. You might have got burnt out on the cowboy shit and started trying to wrap it 40.

I mean, that perspective is a motherfucker. And that's, well, the thing with entertainment is, it's, like, when you're, even if you're not in it, there's this idea that like, it's almost like a spaceship where you're like, you're transported to this like, fantastical level of, yeah, like, you're just like forever

transported to this level of bliss. And, but in reality, I feel like it can get very stressful, very high stakes, man. Very high stakes. And it's like, you know, it, goes away, all of it. All of it always goes away at some point. And that leaves people sad and dejected. And it's like, whereas crashing into a ranch and being outside in nature all day with

like, like, you're with the doctor order, man. Dude, that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's, it's, I understand the, you know, the, the reasoning of like, oh, it'd be so sick to just keep leveling up in entertainment. It's like, I don't know, man, versus riding around. The way I looked at a dude was that's not what God put a ceiling on that for me because that's not what I'm with. was here to do. Yeah. That doesn't mean it was bad experience. It doesn't mean it was a mistake.

It just means, I feel like, if I had my hands and discovered one of the most internationally known musicians and I got dirt shit for it, that's a sign, not that someone screwed me over, but it's also a sign from God, like, this ain't for me. Go find what's for you. Yeah. And, like, this is something that, you know, we'd be on tour and we'd pass by a passioner, it'd be like, Brick, what kind of cows are those out there? You know, it's just something everyone always knew.

Damn, that's so sick. And like in 2019 was my last tour with Wiz and like that last tour, everyone knew. I was like, I'm not doing this shit anymore. I'm going to the ranch. Yeah. And so it was like kind of like a good, it was a great tour because it was 20, it was the 2009 tour, which was currency and Wiz. So they reunited.

There was a 10 year anniversary. That's like my whole musical family. It felt like a high school reunion for like. 56 straight nights and it was like the perf it was the quarterback went in the Super Bowl and I'm retiring that's what I mean yeah so then I did another tour of yellow wolf but like a true athlete go sign with a bullshit team for like the last really now yellow was not bullshit but so what was it like transitioning to like full-time ranch life from that what was it like a lot of rekindling with like people that I've had in my life that I wasn't really on the forefront with and a lot of reacclaming

I've always been around horses. I've got like family friends that are Olympic show jumpers, professional polo players, and, you know, big in the horses. So I've always been on the back of a horse since I can remember. Yeah.

And it just, there's a lot of reacclamation. And a lot of like, you know when you learn something to learn it, and then you're learning something because you're passionate about it. Yeah. And like I switched the gears from like playing ketchup to learn stuff to learn it. And then you start.

soaking things up to be that you're passionate about and it just you just the revolutions become more you just have these like epiphanies daily and that's like like wow now i know what it is to live in your calling yeah you have these like explosions of like gratitude of effectiveness of ability and all these and it just comes together and it's natural and it just is like man this must be like what fucking Kobe felt like shooting a jump shot yeah you know it's just like of course I'm on earth to do this dumbass you know yeah and uh and so it just is a lot of that and then you learn you hit a certain stage for me it was like oh I look like a fucking idiot oh everyone knows all this I don't have my legs or whatever and then you get to the point we're like everyone out

here this is everyone's first fucking September 27th you know what I mean so like everyone's out here's fucking Willie in it and free and trying to figure it out and and they might have a rhythm better than you at this certain point, but like, it really, like, killed my ego. And that's when, like, you really start growing. And I think even if it killed my ego, it would have told me, yes, keep on this path. Or no, your ego is now killed, but this is not for you. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere else, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So, like, it just to, like, walk in that every day is like, you're like, I'm all in. You know what I mean? And it's a lifestyle commitment. And I can see, like, some people get infatuated with the look. but like it's you know like I was I was talking a little mayor I was like what do I wear this thing yeah yeah but like this is what I wear every day so why would I wear anything different yeah yeah and just like if I was on the road doing music you know I'd walk in wearing what I'd wear on my off day on the road

you know so yeah and honestly I mean there's there's not a group if you ask any profession of any any especially with dudes and probably chicks too but being like ah he's a cowboy now everyone's gonna go yes fuck that's so yellowstone Yeah, or just or there's big that sick Like no one in the world is gonna be like he's doing what Yeah They're going damn that's I'm yeah I'm fucking gay for not being a cowboy

Yeah I mean I feel and if I meet when I'm like fuck I haven't got like you know as far A lot of people wonder I think I kept it hidden my frustrations like you know The like the post debacle thing Was a big pillar you know for sure And I think I hid the

The L I took on that pretty well I mean I basically kind of compromised myself in industry for him and like I went around and made sure I was compromised. You know, I just was just, you know, I was really passionate about making sure he didn't get bullied and fucked over and probably went a little too hard. Yeah. And so like I kind of looked back like, man, like that was all kind of like to no avail, whatever, but I still met like a lot of good people.

So, I mean, it is like to me, I just feel like when you walk your line, you're going to encounter people and that same thing's going to happen to you every day until you like complete it right yeah and it's going to come in different shapes and forms whether you're a cowboy or on the road yeah whether you're an artist or a comedian so i think it's cool too also to have such a wide kind of breadth of life experience where it's like and i'm sure the guys you work with are like dude that's fucking oh yeah i don't run into too many like you know like i was like people are like you know wow what the hell just like how you started like what you know what i mean and like now I'm getting like real passionate into like you know making good beef and like feeding families dude I'm not lying that steak and I'm not just gassing you up because you know you get steak I get it from the farmer's market here it's all pretty fresh it's all good I fired one of those salt pepper and butter and was like what the it was fantastic it's all like what type of cow do you guys it's a it's a Aakuushi uh so I run Akaushi which is a Japanese breed it's not wag it so what I've been told

and what the general nomenclature is, is that all Akaushi is Wagu, but not all Wagyu is Akiushi. Okay. So Aakuushi was like, quote, the emperor's breed. It was never supposed to leave Japan. It's raised on a mountain region

and the Osso mountain regions. How old did you get them from? There was an importing loophole in the 90s that brought seven over. And from seven, they have expanded the breed. How many head of cattle do you get? Well, you know, it's not appropriate.

Don't talk. talk about the head of cattle. My bad. You don't want cattle theater. I got one too many. How about that? Fuck! It's so fucking cool. I got one too many. You want one? God damn. I try to be a cowboy for 30 seconds. We're a pretty formal of operation. That's cool. You know, and we don't talk about how many of it. I mean, we're good. You know, I mean, like... So is that really, like, kind of like a... It is. My bad. My great. My great-uncle go over, you know, everyone has been victim of it.

You don't know until you get told, right? So you never asked. It's the in-plight question. Yeah, but then you're like... At the same time, like, I'll at the same time, like, I'll go work for a ranch. And like, the first thing out of my mouth is like, how many of these motherfuckers we got to do today?

So it gets broken pretty quick, you know? And is that just out of like, out of, you just never want anyone to know how many you have or just kind of... just like how much money you got. You know what it's equivalent to is people seeing your Patreon subscribers. Yeah, I try to hide that as well as you could. And assuming like $5 a month. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. It's no. Say no more. Yeah. So Patreon takes 95%. Yeah. It keeps going up. Yeah.

Patreon takes it all. Damn. That's so, I'm so happy. Now that I know that, I can't wait to. The best, the best way to act on a ranch is to be eager to learn.

with also shutting the fuck up. Yeah. How often you have to like kick guys off the ranch? I'm sure this guy's stuff. Oh, I've worked. I mean, we had a herd manager that would be like, had a good night last night and I'm like,

yeah, man, you don't do that. You look a little hungover. You can go home. Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. Or an old guy would be like, you know, he's figured to raise her today, you know,

and be like, go shave. Damn. Or some people have like a strict no cussing policy. Yeah. You don't cuss on their property. Wow. stuff. And now that's pretty hard ass, you know. But for the most part, like, to me, what, like, you think it's like a team effort where everyone's like, I'm over here. Hey, yeah,

make left, right. You know, no. Dude, you shut up. You know, and whatever happens, happens, you're supposed to just have this, like, skillful level. You're talking about driving them. Yeah, just anything working with cattle is pretty like nonverbal with people. Really? people we work with so like what's the formation is it like someone up top someone it's like a sweep so like so like let's just like for for easy methods it's a big square pasture and you'll have we'll we'll trot out in a single file line and the guy who's pasture it is or who whose property it is drops people off uh usually the shittier people are dropped along a fence line so they can use the fence line as a right way and some of your better people are going to be in the middle it's not

always like that but it's just kind of for a cleaner sweep and then you y'all basically just you just kind of move like a greater like a human grader through the really all at once and you're you're like whistling back and forth to see where your next man is how loud can you whistle man i uh i do an indian yelp because i can't whistle i don't i have like a genetic deformity because i try to whistle up my dogs and i'm just can't do it like i just hit it like i just hit a like yeah oh that's awesome yeah and you know and another part of cabal way in it is, is like, of course we're all trying to be perfect, but like,

it's also given, like, there's going to be some major fuck-ups. You know, yeah. Your co-worker is a bovine with no frontal lobe. Yeah. You know what I mean? True, true. So there's going to be some fuck-ups. Yeah. Sean knows what I'm talking about. Now you got any shouts on the, on the property?

Any what? Any shouts? What are shouts? Oh, shoot. Oh, shoot. My brother's lobbying. You know, my, my brother's, is he's a super green thumb agronomist and a great painter. And he's just like, he's real into the regenerative stuff. That's awesome. And like the real like kind of like things. So he's lobbying for pigs.

And I'm just like, hey, there's like so many feral pigs. Really? They're doing it for us already. They're already out there. We don't need to be more pigs out there? Oh, all over there. What is that? They just sneak off the farm and just go bad?

I think it's years like, I think it started like there's a few different types of breeds that got loose. I think apparently just the pig. itself is just a real like adaptive animal. Yeah. So you had like Russian boars that were brought over for hunting purposes, like sport hunting, they get loose.

And you got like barnyard pigs that get loose. And like they're really smart. You know, they know how to get loose and stuff pretty easy. So they get that kind of pack mentality and get feral. They're just like picking them up like magnets. And like you'll see like, you know,

it used to happen like when I was younger a lot. But like it don't really seem too much anymore because there's just so many feral, real deal feral pigs. But when I was younger, you'd see a group of feral pigs, and then here comes like a barnyard sow with the group. Oh, he's joining. And it's just like a killer will's fin when they're domesticated. They're floppy.

Ears pig, pigs are floppy. And when they get wild, they get firmed. Whoa. So they get domesticated. They get furred up. I think it takes them like two weeks for them to get like the fur and not be all that. What? Yeah, they're real adaptive.

Now they're saying like warthogs are coming up out of South Texas. And they got the fucking... And they're the Timoan and Pumbas. It'll goar you. Yeah. From Africa. I think they're pretty dumb and pretty scary. Really?

But they're destructive as shit. They build like eight foot holes in the ground. That's how they got out. They dig on into the fences. That's awesome. That would be pretty fun. Yeah, the place I was at with my kids, they had a tortoise that was let loose.

So they're missing their tortoises. Those things, Barrow... Probably 180 years old, too. Yeah. He's going to live forever. It's going to outlive all of us. Yeah. But yeah, there's a tortoise on the looser, so if you see a tortoise,

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Mom, he's back. IKEA, 50 years of Swedishness at home. Look, he's wearing little pajamas. So cute. So what were you saying? I mentioned about bringing my kids there, and you were saying something about children and horses. I am huge, I mean, it changed my life as a kid.

I think it broadened my horizons for sure. But I really feel like alongside the government mandate VHS, Lonesome Dove, I really think every child in America should ride a horse, like as like physical education almost. Yeah. I think there's just, I mean, horses are therapeutic. It's proved. Yeah.

A horse can feel your heartbeat from like four or five feet away. It can literally feel your vibe. Whoa. So like, if I'm working with a new horse and I'm like, fuck this horse, I'm fucking, I don't want to do this. It's feeling that. It's feeling. And they're like supreme fly animals.

So you're, you know, but if I go in there and just, I'm not just going to be all lovey-dovey, but if I'm just even keeled and really not like showing teeth and being all flustered and heartbeat and fast and all that, you get a, you get a, you get a, you, you get a better response out of that horse. Dude, how do they, how do they study that? How do they know they've... I think, I think it's done a lot of good work through PTSD

and through autism. Oh. I think they found out through, through therapy, through autism and PTSD, this has got some kind of calming element. And that they react, they could probably have to start your heart rate and see how fast it's going. But I mean, it's always been like the lore with how to train a horse is that you psychologically, so like the olden days, they would bring up.

break them physically. Yeah. By dominating physically, by laying them down. Oh, really? Like, there's a psychological thing that you do where you get a horse and you lay it down and it has this thing in its chemical releases where it thinks it's dying. And then you wake up, wake it up or lift it up and it thinks that you saved its life. Whoa.

So it is now bonded to you. So it's convinced this guy is not going to hurt me. He's already saved my life. I'll do whatever he says. That's the theory. That's the old way. Sometimes it doesn't. And then also just riding the fuck out of him, riding the buck out.

These days it's all psychological. Like my main horse was considered a hard start, which meaning he didn't really take to a lot of the psychological things too easily. But they said that the hardest start horses turned out to be the best ones. And this horse, like, I will cry when he dies. I'll fucking get a tattoo of his face off. You know what I mean? Yeah.

He's the man. Yeah, what's the man? Bolero. Fuck. That's fucking awesome. And I didn't name him my trainer, Louis. Jamal named them. But you can't change,

it's bad luck changed. No, yeah, I would never. And horses live to what, like 40? 35. Different breeds live, like, so like the bigger,

like show jumping horses, they actually are like pretty young and dumb until they're like 10 or 11 years old. They're pretty like dangerous per se because they're so big and powerful. And they don't really start really getting their, what they call collection, where they're really composed and doing what they're doing,

collected, you know, all together. Yeah. So they're like 11 or 12 years old. Quarter horse. What I, you know, ranch horses, a 12 year old quarter horse is kind of an old ranch horse. Gotcha.

Some would say they're in their prime. Others would say this little old. It's all preferential. Yeah, yeah. I don't like mares. I don't like female horses. I don't speak mayor. Yeah.

Single 43 with no kids, of course. The fuck I'm going to try to. It's your stallions only. Geldings. Yeldings. What's the difference? Geldings are gilded. They're capertranos.

Castoranos. What are those guys called? Yeah, they're castrated. Oh, nice. So the terminal, basically. Gotcha. And no. When does that happen?

You can do it whatever. Like, I know some people that will gild their studs, seven, eight years down the road, maybe try to get a couple of babies out on the thing. Because studs are very, for the most part, very difficult to manage. I was about to say, yeah, they must be tough. Oh, they're very, very difficult. So they neutered or they just have no piece at all? You put them down.

No, they have a piece. Okay, no balls. Yeah, just no balls. Oh, like a dog. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I thought you cut their whole dick off. Don't worry. they still have huge dogs.

Thank God. I'd want my money back. That's the only reason why I'm here. So always why I'm here. I paid to look at a giant dick. Yeah. Horses' dicks are just so disheartening, man. It's fucking crazy.

You think you're the man, had a good night. Go watch a horse piss. Hey, shit. It didn't do shit. I know. Even my dog, when it takes the shit, it's dicks pops out. My wife's always like,

That's a strain. You need to go, is this a blind dog? Blind dog. He, he's probably is pushing too hard. But my thing is my wife's like, oh,

Jackson. He can't see. He can't see his turd. Let him feel the wind on his dick. He's taking a shit. Doesn't have any balls. He's taking a shit. Let him feel the wind on his fucking dick.

Leave the guy alone. Let him fucking live. I'm always like, yeah, let him sick his dick out, man. He's look, turn around.

You don't got to look at it. Yeah. I have two, my main two dogs, I have an Australian Shepherd. He's the man's the man's Lou Ellen. Another ironic post-moan fact about me and him is he also has a dog that he named Lou Ellen.

What? After mine, I think. But it's from no country. My favorite movie is no country for old men, which is also another irony, probably his favorite movie. Yeah. We're kindred spirits. You guys are kindred spirits. We're just a little adversarial right now.

I didn't know your adversarial. I would never have brought it up. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all good because, you know, like, hey, Austin, you know. But it's just it is what it is, you know. So, but, uh, although it's a cowboy without an adversary. It came for, yeah, true, true. Like, you know, Indians and outlaws, man.

So I don't know who's the true, uh, who's the outlaw, who's the sheriff in this. But, uh, but, but, so I have Lou Ellen. And then, uh, my other dog is, we suspect is like, got a little coyote in her. We don't, we don't really know. Because we thought we knew, but she's acting like, we don't know. But she's, uh, her name is sheriff Ed Tom Bell, which was the sheriff in no country roll. Sick.

So we just call her bell. Do you deal with coyotes out there? I'm sure. So unfortunately, I read the Wyatt Flores book, Coyote America, and closed the book and said, hmm, coyotes ain't that bad. And so, like, I don't really have this thing with coyotes. I've seen them, and I just kind of be like,

hey, get on out of here. I'm just not too big on running around with guns. Yeah. I just, I'm not that. I'm not a gun guy. I'm not to blow somebody's brains out. You know, I just, I can just, hell, if I see pigs, I'd rather rope them off my horse than to shoot them. It's more fun.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not a, I mean, as sick as guns are, they sound and look, I am kind of like, I see them and I'm like, ooh. Yeah, I'm not, I'm just not, I mean, like, I understand the hobby and I get the effectiveness. And I think everyone should have a gun. Yeah. Because it sure does. I'd rather get caught with one than, you know what I mean? You don't feel the need to blow a kind of.

But I'm just not one of these guys is just strapped to the T's out there. Yeah, and I don't really hunt or anything like that. Yeah. No, one of my brothers is dealing with coyotes right now. It's a pain in the ass. He's getting a big ass. He's a little dog, so he's going to get a big dog. See, and that's like, like if I had dogs, I had to defend,

I'd have a different mindset about coyotes. Because they're, they're, they're, they're, they're fucking, yeah. Especially if they think they got the drop on whatever situation, they will not, you've got to kill them. Yeah. They'll keep coming back. No, he's just getting a big dog. He's only one big one, coyote chaser.

Pear knees, big white ones? Yep. There's a lot of those out there. And, I mean, I've seen them in work. I mean, it's incredible. Pyrenees are sick. Yeah. Yeah, I ran in a couple of ranch Pyrenees not too long ago.

I have a buddy that's in the hill country. It's a big goat ranch, like 10,000 acres. It's huge. I mean, him and the Indians have been the only people on the property. We find arrowheads out there all the time. It's incredible. And they have, like, a fleet of army dogs that are just constantly fucking coyotes up. Really?

Yeah. There's a little fuck the goats up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude, that's the one thing I also. jealous of is the guys who have those like i'll bring goats to clear out your land that that seems pretty fun oh my god yeah just acres of shit just you drop like six goats wait a week and they just they'll just eat every everything goats are pretty groovy

goats rock i have a buddy who he runs he does contracts for solar farms where he runs sheep on the solar farms for for grazing the grass and that's a pain in the ass because sheep try to find ways to die they fucking the dumbest animal they are pretty good Oh, my God. You can't do goats because they climb on the solar panels. Oh. Yeah, they fuck around. Goats do fuck around a little too much.

Yeah. So I've had some experience. Like, I'll take my dogs out to his solar fields to work the dogs because it's, you know, it's like 4,000 acres. Mm-hmm. So it's a huge vast land. You've got to move those sheep over.

And so it's a lot of fun. And it's great work for the dogs. Yeah. It's perfect work. Tires them out. Yeah. Just get some all tuned up and show. You kind of nip their heels and keep them.

Mm-hmm. Damn. So why do they have to, what do they have to clear out for? solar panels the grass the grass yeah which was like why didn't y'all just lay fucking rock down i know i know dumb yeah so dumb and i everyone i've looked at every solar fit i've looked at i've been like these would work real well on the top of buildings yeah like i don't understand why are we using acres of grass yeah that is really weird actually yeah there's a lot of that i guess if they're

if they're really laying acres of solar panel oh thousands really thousands yeah oh yeah there's one right here off 290 it's 1500 acres yeah damn and then uh there there's like a lot of much to do about data centers in my area same type of concept my whole thing with that is like look at your cell phone when cell phones first got invented those things were gigantic yeah and then within a decade they shrunk down it's gonna shrink yeah so did we just build like a bunch of really high-tech chicken houses you know that's a good point storage is good they'll probably just keep packing them with more just more smaller shit yes but still yeah i've heard have you noticed have you noticed anything with them or like i've there's a there's so the biggest thing i've noticed is the politics behind

it yeah and like i'm pretty apolitical like i don't really i don't really participate in this voting thing too much but uh but i mean like locally i do and i think the biggest problem i have with it is like these like yahoo county commissioners they're basically in these rural counties they were voted into most of the time what is it called when you don't run against anybody at large yeah maybe at large or not been or large. I don't know. Yeah. Whatever. Like, most time they're not running against anybody. And the majority of their job is road and

bridge. So they're just there to maintain the roads. And now all of a sudden, this is who's making votes for tax abatements for billion dollar data centers. Yeah. And like, money's got to be insane. I mean, my county just ran a commissioner out because they uncovered a bunch of emails of him

trying to get them, the data center to sponsor the towns like fall frolic. And everyone's like, get the fuck out of you. And so like, and then, you know, there's all, of course, with NDAs, you just don't know who's on the right, who's on the wrong. Like, of course, private property, private property. But like, it's kind of like your private property rights in where mine begin. Yeah.

So, like, if you're my neighbor and I put a fucking gigantic 24-hour skate park on your fence line, you might like skateboarding, but you're going to fucking hate that shit. Yeah. At three, four the morning. For sure. Yeah. So it's the same type of shit. It's just that, like, I see it being a political cluster fuck.

And like that's what kind of turns me off and make me be like, how about all y'all fuck off? Yeah, yeah. And solar fields is like the less invasive version of that. Because end of the day, I think you could probably rip those things up and it goes back to dirt. But man, these data centers are like not the size of small airports.

Yeah, they're massive. Huge. There's no coming back from that. Yeah. They're poor all that concrete. It's a fucking 28-inch pad. You know what I mean? So I just, I don't, I just kind of look at it like, ah.

Like, what do you think about all the lab grown meat stuff they're trying to do? I don't, I mean, for me, raising a high quality product that I see and touch and feel every day, all the competition is the better thing. Put that bullshit up against me. Yeah, true. Yeah. You know, I'm not, you know, it's not going to be high quality. And like the, a lot of, like with, you know, Trump, fuck around and knew what he was doing.

with this imported beef because that two weeks of those, all those reaction periods from him saying that, I sold out for two years on reservations. Did you really? Yeah. And what did he do exactly? He just made an announcement. To me, it was,

to me, it looked like he was told to say these words because he has, as we know, he has a big time mincing words. And so he mints technical words. And that's why I was like, oh, so, you know, Brooke Rollins or somebody is probably,

not happy with how he delivered this because it's a bunch of like word salad as far as the agriculture industry is concerned. He didn't really say much. And so you had to read between the lines. Like he said ground beef product. Will you what ground beef product is? It's not ground beef.

What makes beef cows? Yeah. So the majority of a commercial beef operation, your ground beef is coming off a old cow. Oh. It's just the, you're not getting ground beef off of the prime grade, badass steers, you know, and all this stuff. The ground beef is coming off of old bulls and old cows that can't reproduce it anymore.

And that's a pretty general thing in commercial beef. And I'm not trying to disparage commercial beef. They feed millions of people. Yeah, yeah. But it's just the fact, heck, in my ranch, if my bull breaks its leg, I have, I can either bury it and say, thank you. Or I can take it down the processor and grind it up, you know, have it processed. and grind it up and have ground beef. Snapping to a slim gym.

Right. So the thing is, is like, they're only ground beef, cows, older cows and bulls because of, with bulls, the testosterone, it really kind of makes the meat gameier. And just an older cow

has a different muscle structure than, you know, we're processing these steers 18 to 30 months old. So that's less than three years old. And most of your ground beef product is going to be from animals that are six to 10 years old. So it's not necessarily a bad thing.

It's a way it's the end of life for that animal. Yeah, yeah. And it's a way it's a byproduct from that animal spent and it's still viable. Gotcha. But it's not. So when Trump says like ground beef product from Argentina, he's importing, he just basically it sounds like United States bought a fuck ton of old-ass Argentinian cows. Oh.

They're going to fill these feedlots up because we're at a national shortage on cattle in the United States. So funny. Because you drive from Austin to any other business. city it's nothing but Texas is the least affected by yeah yeah we we still have one of the most cattle so we're the the number is really hard to see in Texas nationwide so where you'll see it in the Midwest and the feedlock I've worked in feedlots in the Midwest and Colorado and stuff and and like you'll see it there instead of these things being packed to the gills with 14 you know there'll be a 14,000 animal facility but they'll only be 8,000 in there yeah yeah which you know

husbandry wise I don't mind because that gives these these animals and more space and then you'll see the pivot and those these feed lots will advertise we have more square footage per space for your steer but yeah it's kind of like come on down the show we've got plenty of parking yeah yeah yeah you do uh you see that when they get real technical with the chickens and all that stuff like oh it's free range and you see the asterisk it's like each one has about five feet well the funny thing about those broiler hands is that those things are bred to sit inside They can't stand outside for too long. They are stark white.

They're basically albino. Really? Yeah, they can't really deal with outside too long. And that their bread. They're bread to be bigger. They're bread to be food. They're bread to sit in the coop and eat. So they're kind of doing what their bread to do.

That's crazy. Yeah, the outside shit. Yeah. And a wild chicken, like eat like a meat chicken that's on the farm is going to have a little, it's going to be smaller, obviously. Yeah. and there's not going to be like, like you would be able to knock out a whole chicken. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Oh, trust me. I can't. Well, like, as opposed to like getting a rotisserie chicken for your family, like from Costco. It's probably going to put a pretty din in the day.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's what they're bred to be just indoor. It's like an indoor cat. Yeah. But a chicken. Right. So it's kind of like,

but also I don't really know what they're feeding those things. Yeah. That's kind of the question, I guess. And then like, feeding the reviews. You go buy some of these commercial chicken houses. the feed houses that they, you know, these trucks pull up to get the feed from.

And it's like, it's like Fort Knox. They don't, yeah, they don't let, you don't, you don't, you don't,

you don't, I mean, I'm sure they're feeding them probably food products. I hope. But it's just, it just probably is, you don't know, yeah.

The process is probably so crazy. They just don't want people, but eyes on it. True. Yeah. No, yeah. That's,

I mean, it is, it's once you see it, you're like, oh, fuck I can't. And I think, that's why I think cattle is probably the most honest protein

because it's like, you want to see what I'm feeding it? Go walk outside. All that shit you can't eat, they're turning that, they're upcycling that into protein. Cattle, 70-something percent of what cattle eat humans can't digest. It's inedible.

What the hell are they eating? I thought it was a grass. They're pretty biodiverse. They'll eat vegetation, any types of vegetation, most vegetations. And they actually got a pretty good nose to see what's toxic for them.

And they'll avoid like the thwart morning stuff and stuff like that, but flowers, you know, crop, cover crops, grass. Gotcha. If you even look on cattle pastures in the tree lines, there's a browse line on these trees. They're eating the trees. If I cut an oak tree branch down, the cows will run to it and I start eating that

shit like it's a buffet. Damn. Not like the brand, but like the leaves and stuff. Yeah, they'll pick it clean. And then you just got to keep moving them while the grass grows back. And then you practice rotational grazing and like a good cowman's really like a grass man. Like you're really concerned with the soil. That's why I love having my little brother around because he's super passionate about the dirt.

And like he can critique my operation without even seeing my cows. He'll be like, man, I know they're not doing good. Look at this poor soil like that grass doesn't have what they want. And you need to put mineral in here for him. They're not going to have this, this grass is strip. So like he's helping. It's all about that, you know, because you'll be like, well, I mean, they're in knee-high grass.

But, well, all that grass is seeded out. There's nothing in it. All the, all the good stuff's in the seed head. Oh, shit. So he just has made me really, it's a little bit more complicated than, because you have to, like, mitigate their risk. Cows are really good eaters and they're pretty fucking dumb and everything else. Yeah.

So, like, you have to, like, mitigate the risk at all times. So you're seeding just for, like, a variety of things they can eat. Right. And then, you know, just to kind of like, to make sure that grows back, you know, you don't want to. So like cows eat in like a sweeping motion. And so they're schmooze, their snot and when they eat, their saliva actually helps, it stimulates that plant sugar to like say, we need to grow again. So if they eat below that, then the grass goes into a panic and it just shells up, you know, just as like in a shock. But if they, if you keep it eating where they naturally want to eat the tops of the grass and you keep them moving off, that it sends the signal to that grass.

down in the roots like hey we got a problem up top we need to send the sugars up and so it'll it'll grow right back but if you continue pummeling that and cattle are real selective so they'll come back to the same spot remember that one spot over there that was good

let's go back over there and they'll eat that shit down the ground it might be where you threw them some like protein cubes or it might have been just like a nice you know little patch they'll eat that shit down but if you were able to move them off in 24 hours

then that has already started recovering. And no graze, yeah. I never even thought about that point. I thought you just give them grass and fucking weight. Well, technically, yes. But no, you got to really be conscious. Yeah, and just like, man, there's something to it about watching a cow eight, too.

Like, it's just like a real, like, ah. Yeah. When you see something doing their job, you know, and happy, healthy and productive, and like, it all starts with good grass having that. And so I've mistakenly, become like real knowledgeable on grasses and can be like oh yeah and just like p h's and you know and like just getting real into that because it's a big part of it you know yeah if you scorch the fucking

whole ranch that's like a massive fuck up yeah or i mean and and and yes like really yes when i remember when i would cut the grass all the time growing up i'd be like i'm going to drop the deck and fucking cut the shit and it's white underneath it yeah it burns the fucking grass is brown they're like what the fuck do you do it I'm like, I dropped the deck all the way down so I didn't have to do it. But if you did that to like acres and acres. Scalped it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's just real interesting of what's like symbiotic to what, you know, and like, you know, we don't use any herbicides or pesticides and no synthetic fertilizers. And the biggest observation I've seen is bird life, burg and bug. Like you see just this like orgy of birds above the grass just snacking on bugs all day. and my brother was like, that's a healthy pasture right there.

Like all these bugs flying around everywhere. He doesn't understand somebody walking out in the pasture and seeing a caterpillar and like, oh, I'm going to spray this pasture. Yeah. He doesn't understand that shit. And I don't either because, I mean, it's all, like,

cows aren't a monocrop animal. They're not eating just one type of grass. They're eating everything. If they like it, they love it. Yeah. So I want to just promote that with them. And my brother's, has been showing me, like, you know, you know where your stuff's good by the bugs and the birds. So, like, these birds just will, you know, return to these good areas once you practice good husbandry on the land. Oh, okay. I didn't really, so they'll spray for caterpillars and shit. Oh, yeah, they call it Army Worms. It's like a, like a, like a, what are the larvae version.

And they're worried they're going to eat the grass. Well, they do. They eat certain grasses. They'll eat them down. But, you know, if you have an abundance and if you're kicking ass and, you've got birds that will swoop down and eat that shit. And, you know, you can have things work for you. Like, people around my area hate having barn swallowing us for whatever reason. But I'm like, dude, I looked it up. A barn swallow eats like 3,000 flies a day. Damn.

So I'm like, 3,000, 6,000. Fly. And they're right by my horse barn. And I didn't, I had to spray my horses for flies like twice this summer. Like, that's it. That's nice. And most people have to spray them every day, you know, because you just get attracted. for the flies.

Yeah. So I'd notice that big time. And my brother's just always, just, you know, always scoreboarding me like, yeah, idiot. Like, I was like, whoa. You know, I'm still astonished and he's just like, finally it's working. Yeah, yeah. So that's awesome, dude. Yeah, man.

It's a lot of fun out there. Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm going to go out for sure. I've got to check it out. We have to get Lamar on a horse. Dude, we do. Amer have you ever rode the horse? Got to hop up there. We'll get you, like, chaps and a little.

English helmet. Like an old fox on her. I want a little horse. That'd be great. I want a little tiny horse. Now, we're going to get you a war horse. Get you one of those like huge war horses that they rode into the Trojan War on.

Well, dude, thanks for doing it, man. Man, I love tons of fun. Guys are great. Anything you want to shout out, shout it out. If not, if you have any questions about beef, you can hit me up on Instagram Brick Mason

B-R-I-C-Mason and the ranch page is beefraisedright.com and catch me opening for Matt. Yeah, hell yeah, dude. Bye.

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