Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S01 E03: James Acaster (Kerry only)
Episode Date: August 11, 2020"In the penis! In the penis! In the penis!" Kerry chats with James Acaster about his five favourite photos... That his mum sent us. Photo 01 - James as a baby Photo 02 - James with his parents Photo... 03 - James in a lion costume Photo 04 - James as a teenager Photo 05 - James with his favourite painting Photo 06 - James in Brixton on his birthday PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: hello@keepitlightmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hello and welcome to Memory Lane.
Each episode, I take a trip down Memory Lane with a very special guest
as they bring in four photos from their lives to talk about.
To check out the photos that we're talking about,
they're all on the episode image and you can also see them a bit more clearly on our Instagram page.
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Come on, we can all be nosy together.
I don't know what order to do your phone.
photos, James, because there's, for a start, can I just say, why couldn't you pick five?
Because I don't really love photos of myself a lot of the time. And I thought I would just send you
them and let you pick them. Right. Because also I'm very bad at judging, if it's something to do
with me, my own, whatever it is, like, I'm bad at judging what other people will be interested
in and what will be, you know, I'm worried that I'll just pick five that were just
really boring for everybody else, but I like them.
Whereas I'd rather that you picked five and then it's at least one of a person who's
interested in those photos.
Right.
Or is what happened, you asked your mum for a selection of photos, she sent you these
and you just forwarded them to us?
Yes.
Right, so you've not made any selection.
You've not engaged with the selection of these photographs at all.
No.
But I'm quite excited to see what the people who have engaged with them have chosen.
All right, well, I suppose if we were going to go in chronological order,
we'd start with you as a baby, of which we have two.
Yes.
And I'm going to, you look really happy.
A lot of babies look pissed off, but you are a happy baby.
Yeah, born into a Christian family, always happy.
Really?
All the time.
seven.
Yep.
Just the joy of Jesus right from day one.
Yep, that was it immediately.
So full of the Lord.
You do look.
I'm going to go with the one with you on the floor
next to a funky carpet.
Because you look happy in both.
But aesthetically, I lean towards this carpet shop.
Yeah.
And you're just punching the sky there in a really cute little baby grow.
I assume you have no recollection of this being taken.
I don't remember it very well.
but I
Photos of me as a baby
I mean I know it sounds stupid to say
that you don't recognise yourself
But it really is like
That I would never
If I, you could probably show me a photo
That I've never seen myself as a baby
And I wouldn't guess it was me
If you said like what comic do you think that is
I probably guess me last a lot of the time
Yeah it'd be good clickbait
You'd be like who is this baby
And I'd be like oh
Who is this baby would be a good
TV show. I'd watch that. Oh, definitely. I also like the carpet a lot. Yeah, I love that car. And I don't think I
remember that house. Oh, I definitely don't remember that house. We were there. That was our first house in
Ketrin. So I was born in Ketrin. What year would this be? And we moved away for one year when I
was like four or five. And that, and my earliest memories of when we moved away, which was in
Bambury in Oxfordshire.
So that's my earliest memories
and then we moved back to Ketran after the year.
So I don't remember,
that was on King Street in Ketran.
Shout out to King Street.
But like...
You do look like you're doing a shout out to King Street in that photo.
I do, don't I?
But also, I mean, see, that's the thing.
I don't remember that house,
but that carpet is weirdly nostalgic to me.
Like I look at it and go, oh, yeah.
I feel like I remember the carpet,
even though I clearly don't.
that carpet would have been chosen by your parents or they just inherited from the house.
That was just in the house where we moved.
Because it's a really bold carpet.
I mean, I want to know if your parents made those aesthetic choices.
Yeah, I pretty much 100% certain they didn't.
I think at that stage, I don't remember us moving into a house.
Maybe I'm going to be wrong on this.
And my parents listen to every podcast that I do.
and my mum texts me every correction to anything I say.
So if I want to know about that carpet,
it's your mum I need to speak to.
Oh, yeah, she'd tell you all about it.
And also she'd tell you that it wasn't that I was mistaken,
is that I'm a liar, is what you would be told.
Right, yeah, there's a distinct difference.
Yeah, it's like I don't know why he feels the need
to make stuff up on podcasts and lie, which I'm not lying.
Well, you're a baby, and it's fair to say you won't remember.
That carpet would only work now.
as a sort of ironic carpet in a sort of trendy East London bar.
Yeah, I mean, although I'll be honest, if I even moved in here
and one of the rooms had that carpet,
and it was just a nice carpet and wasn't manky or nothing,
but it would just look like that.
There's no way I'd change it.
I would have kept it.
But again, that's me being sentimental in anything that's like,
I love stuff that is just screaming with too much personality
rather than stuff that's quite plain.
Yeah.
Even though I've chosen plain stuff for the flat that I'm in.
But if someone else had chosen something outlandish, I'd keep it.
That's a 70s baby grow as well, I'd go as far as to say.
I, again, I'm not 100% sure on this.
Well, your mom will tell.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that is a hand-me-down.
Right.
Like, I think a lot of the stuff we had that I had as a baby had been given to us by people from my parents' church, I think.
Right.
Might be wrong.
I'm not lying.
So let's go to your mum and dad then.
This is you with your mum and dad.
Oh yeah.
You really look like your dad?
You think I look like my dad?
Yeah, I do.
I can really see he's your dad.
Because I've kind of taken pride in the fact that I'm one of those people who everyone just says,
I look like a 50-50 mixture of both my parents.
Oh, in that photograph.
I mean, he's definitely doing a face in that photo that is like what I would do on stage.
Yeah, it is a James face, definitely.
But then look at my mum, though.
They are so young.
How old were they when they had you?
20s.
Wow.
They look teen.
They look teen.
Right.
They look Amish and they look teen.
I mean, I cannot tell you how much my mum will love that.
Really?
Oh, she wants to be Amish so much.
I wouldn't mind being a bit armish.
I mean, there's a lot.
One of my favourite films is Witness.
Yeah, of course.
Well, it's classic Amish film, in it.
Yeah.
The only one, actually.
I can't think of another one if I'm honest, James.
Well, that one and Kingpin, and I don't think she's watched Kingpin.
I haven't.
I haven't seen it.
A lot of women role-modelled themselves on Kelly McGillis in Witness.
Really?
Yeah, she's a wholesome woman.
There's the bit where they don't have sex.
Oh, it's one of the most erotic scenes in film.
Yeah.
I think my mum really admired the character in that.
I remember watching my mum showing me witness.
It's one of the only films that I remember my mum showing me.
My dad made a point of showing me rain man and Groundhog Day growing up.
Oh, really?
And like, we're going to watch these films.
These are important films.
And my mum made a point, but she was like,
she wanted to watch Witness and made it clear that she loved this film.
Right.
And it was one of the only films I remember like throughout at her kind of like out loud commenting on her favorite bits.
Oh really?
including the non-sex scene
and being like,
just almost congratulating them out loud
for not having sex.
That's the way to go.
Yeah.
So they were,
so they're Christians.
You had quite a religious upbringing,
would you say?
Yeah,
but like a,
I'll say relaxes if it was,
like,
I guess the fact that me and my brother
and sister are not religious anymore.
Right.
Kind of speaks volumes to my parents' failure.
They've completely,
but we had a very,
I'd say
I'll speak for myself
a very nice religious upbringing
I liked it
it was I felt like I got
all the good things out of it
and
obviously
with any religious upbringing
you get a bit of guilt and stuff
but none of it was from home
so like what was nice
my mum and dad
it was just all based on
just like loving people
and being good
and that so like
yeah but we went to churches
that were quite
they weren't like any denomination
and stuff. It was like, you know, in some sort of community centre and just a bunch of people who
were kind of like, you know, with nose piercings. Yeah, kind of like hippie Christians.
Yeah. I mean, I just loved watching the band and watching the sketches. There'd be a sketch every week
that someone would do like a little comedy sketch that had a biblical message to it. But like,
I just loved them. I thought they were so funny the comedy sketches and I loved the band and the music and just
wanted to do all that so I started playing the drums.
I remember I did one of the sketches.
It's my first time performing.
Oh, how old were you?
I don't know how old I would have been.
It was primary school.
Okay.
And it was me and my dad.
I asked my dad,
because I think my dad had done another sketch with somebody else.
And I thought it's great.
And I said to my dad,
I wanted to do one.
And he said, okay, you can be in one with me.
And it was like, it's basically him.
This is like,
this is going to make my dad look.
look bad in a way
but he was just like
I think we had to play these roles
but he was playing God
he cast himself as God
yeah cast himself as God
fair enough
and I was a lonely servant
a human being
and it was him
so I had a carrier bag full of stuff
that were my belongings
and that were representing like
elements of my life
and it was him asking me
you know can I have that part of your life
and go out of that
I mean yeah yeah
and then at some
point saying no and I'd say no to certain bits and I'd not want to give him and he told me
every time you say no just really go over not over the top but yeah you got to come from me like
you'll turn your nose up and turn away from me and make a really big theatrical thing of it right
and every time I did that it got a laugh and you remember that clearly getting that love it I loved it
I remember that really clearly getting the laugh and loving getting the laughs and then I remember
afterwards wanting to get compliments from the people in the church who had seen it and walking
around and sitting down with this woman who was like my friend Alex's mum and I said to her I saw
you I would never imagine doing this after a gig now I went up to I went I saw you laughing at me
earlier you take you hours to do that after one of your gigs to say to everyone probably still
what I want to do after it gig actually.
It's going to be, I saw you laughing.
I saw you laughing.
But she was, but she got confused.
So it was complete like miscommunication.
So I said, I saw you laughing at me earlier.
She went, this is almost a classic Christian response.
Oh, James, oh, it was only because you were being funny.
I wasn't laughing at you.
Oh.
And I was like, I know.
I just, I saw you laughing at me.
It was like, no, but listen.
It was, and it went on forever.
Oh, God, but very well-meaning.
We never got on the same page.
See, that's a sketch I'd quite like to see as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Just like, oh, I was not laughing at you, I swear.
And me being like, I just want a compliment.
She might have been deliberately winding me up now.
She might have thought you arrogant little shit going around trying to get compliments for your sketch.
Yeah, I know you're fishy.
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This picture you're a bit older.
You're wearing a lion's suit.
Do you remember this?
Do you know what? I think I vaguely remember it, but then it's like, because this is in, actually, you know, maybe I don't because I'm going to say now.
How old do you reckon you are?
Five, I reckon. Maybe five.
Right.
So, so, so I'm going to get corrected on this again, I'm sure.
I love the way that your mum's presence is here, that you know you're going to get, you're going to get corrected.
Next time, if we do one of these, I'm just going to invite her.
Yeah, I mean, you know, you can, you can see why.
people like Ramesh just going to say it's like rubbish. Yeah, just get her involved. I can't be
bothered. I've got memories of this, but then it might be the wrong memories because I've got
Okay, so you're wearing a lion suit and I assume it's for a fancy dress at a fair. You look like
you're at a fate. Yes, and I think it's, I think it's in Bambri, right, five. And I think it was like
the fancy dress was the circus and you had to go dress a circus character. Uh-huh. You don't
look very happy about it. No. Well, well,
Well, I don't remember what my mood was, but I think I wouldn't be surprised if it's a classic example of me getting really excited about doing something, us managing somehow to get a lying costume from somebody.
We would have borrowed that.
Right.
So someone would have inexplicably had that.
Yeah.
And we would have got to borrow it.
And I would have been super psyched about doing it.
And I would have been too hot in it.
and then I would have been very annoyed
that the day wasn't as amazing as I
because I probably at that age would have literally thought
I was going to be a lion for a day
and I would have been excited about that
and then it would have been actually
I'm just wearing something very hot
and I don't get the benefits of this
everyone else gets to see a lion and I don't
I get to be in the dark and really hot
and this is awful and I reckon I would have
taken that off and refused
to have it on anymore and then for the photo, instead of putting it on my head, holding it there.
And so you get the drift. I'm a lion. Yeah. Yeah. You can see that. But also I would have wanted
to be in the photo. I would have wanted my face to be in the photo. So there's a lot of what becomes
the adult James going on. It's sort of like, I used to wear, have you ever worn a zip suit as an adult?
I don't think I have. No. No, I used to do it for a job. I avoid fancy dress.
Oh yeah, fancy dress is awful.
I used to wear outfits like that when I left college.
I used to do children's entertaining and wear things like that to sort of for a job.
It's awful wearing those outfits.
What kind of stuff?
A mouse.
I was Mrs. Mouse.
And I couldn't be mini mouse because obviously there's Disney copyright.
So I had to be Mrs. Mouse where they sort of some else swerved any expense.
And he used to go to these big fancy houses in Holland Park and like the wealthy parts of London
and just turn up for these rich kids parties
and make an appearance
and have all these kids hanging off you
while you're wearing an outfit like you're wearing in that picture.
And you can't really see,
you're just looking through these big gauze eyes
and you can't breathe.
And you're angry and you're bitter because you're broke.
And you have to have these kids bouncing off you for,
I think I got like six quid an hour to do this.
Oh, it was awful.
I think it was one of the most humiliating jobs I've ever had.
I've done kids gigs before, like, as a comic.
and at MacFest I did kids I used to do a kids gig there every time I did it
and it got more and more out of hand the more kids that showed up and one year there was like
just hundreds of kids it was in a big room and it was kind of an improvised show where I'd get
them to suggest stuff and I think one of the little kids had heard that in the past kids
have got on stage and stuff and been a part of the show and right at the start of it the
most adorable little kid just walked up to the stage and she asked to come up.
Well, she didn't even ask verbally.
She just motioned and pointed and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she came up.
I haven't even said anything yet.
And then she pointed at the mic and I was like, yeah, there you go.
And then she was like, oh, the kids, get on the stage right now.
And then all the kids rushed the stage, hundreds of them.
And I was just out, I just couldn't control them for the whole show.
It was a really high stage as well.
So dangerous.
So like, some of them are running backwards and stuff
to try and get in my eye line to get my attention
to their suggestion or make it in the show.
And they're just on the lip of the stage.
And it ended with just like absolute bedlam.
The end of the show was just all of them on the stage at once,
just going berserk while like the mums and dads clapped
because it was the end of the show.
And one of the kids had grabbed the mic stand.
And he's the only kid who had been good for the whole thing.
He'd been well behaved.
And then he's like, at the last second,
he just spanned out of control
and he grabbed the mic stand
it was a boom mic stand
so he was holding it like a machine gun
like him in the war
and pointing it at my crotch
and firing it like a gun
and shouting in the penis
over and over again
I remember him looking down
the clip where the mic goes into
he was using that as the site
like a sniper
and looking down it and going
in the penis
in the penis
and I was thought
I know when else could hear him
Because he didn't go because I only I could hear him.
I bet your face wasn't disillim of her in that picture.
Yeah, it's exactly the same.
Yeah, exactly the same.
You're the yiggy pop of the child comedy circuit.
Yeah.
Rushes the stage.
So I reckon this next picture you probably are about 13.
It's like a catalogue photograph of just James hanging out in a red T-shirt.
This is why I should have chosen them.
Right.
Do you want to not do this one?
Oh, no.
I absolutely want to do this one.
Let the people see it.
I think it's only fair.
But I would say that until my mother sent me these photos,
I was unaware that I ever looked like this.
Okay.
And it is quite the shocker.
Because like, I see photos of me as a little kid.
I'm like, what an adorable little kid, real cute little kid.
And you see him as a teenager.
And this one, I look at that and go,
I must have been stung by a bee that day.
and had some sort of reaction to it.
Like, it's, my nose is like way, looks way bigger than it's ever been before on my face.
My, my, my face is much more puffed up.
I don't know, well, I know that for a long time,
I refused to ever do anything with my hair.
Right.
And I would get it cut, just a, I'll just say a trim every time that I went to get it cut.
Right.
And then do, I would wash it, but I wouldn't do anything else with it.
And, I mean, that there, what I don't even know, I couldn't, I mean, I know my hair's not exactly tidy these days.
But my God.
I think it's cool.
It's got a kind of punky vibe to it.
Do you know who took it?
Who took the photo?
Probably my dad, I think just because my dad was taking photos more when we were growing up.
Right.
Like my mum takes a lot of nature photos now and they're really amazing photos of like, you know, wildlife and stuff.
but like my dad was taking a lot of the family photos then
and would have, he would have known what he was doing with that photo as well.
Yeah, it looks like someone knows what they're doing.
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So what's going on here?
I genuinely wish I had that painting. So we, some of us in, I don't know how we were picked for it.
Probably just randomly by the teacher when she had to pick, you know, pick people to do it.
But like about five of us, I think, got to go to the Alfred East Gallery.
in Ketrin, it's not heaving.
No, it's not the tape.
You know, no, so you kind of get there
and it is just you and your mum and dad
and the same guy who works there
and has done for decades.
So did you like school? Was you happy at school?
No, hated it. Really?
Yeah, but I didn't act like I was hated.
I hated it. That's the thing, is like I was
quite a good kid and quite well behaved
and didn't really get in trouble that much, apart from one year,
year seven, first year secondary school,
was the worst year of school
because I had a form tutor
who just took a dislike to me, didn't like me
and I went from never really getting in trouble
in primary school
like up until that point I probably
got told off or in trouble
like I could count them on one hand
it was like nothing
I was very very well-behaved kid
and wanted to be well behaved as well
that's crucial
like I wanted to be good
and that's probably the Christian stuff as well
and then like going to second year school
when I had a form
tutor who just didn't like me and it was fucking horrible and like I still with her wants to I
I'd say every other month or every three months I'll think about her and I'll be filled of a
desire to find out where she is and contact her and go here's all the things I wasn't
smart enough to say to you at the time because I didn't understand that's amazing but that
everything you did was out of order and if you
You did drama therapy, like I'd play her and then you'd get to say all the things.
Oh, it's like an X.
You're like, why didn't you like me?
Why?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That kind of like, just, it's the only time in school that I felt bullied.
So I was never bullied by any kids.
Oh, God, from the teacher.
But like, she was like, also apparently like the first year she'd been there, just
the second year of teaching, the first year of teaching they'd walked all over her,
so she was trying to be a bit more hard ass.
but she still couldn't do it with the actual naughty kids
So we had naughty kids in our class
We had one kid who's called Barry
Excellent
But did what he ever wanted
And she just let him do it
And with me it was like
I once had to stand up for an entire lesson
When everyone else was sat down
Because I was slouching in my chair
Oh, okay
Barry Moore used to swing back on his chair
On two legs
And smacked chunks out of his wooden desk
With a metal ruler
And it was fine
Yeah Barry Moore couldn't smoke fags in
And blue spook in her face
And got away with it
done what he wanted and with me it was like slouching and she just both stand up for the whole listen
so she was like and i'd get detentions and stuff like that and like i remember going back with my
first pink slip to my parents and being like terrified that i was going to get like because you feel
like it's like double getting in trouble because you get in trouble with the teacher yeah you got
to go home uh but although my parents were actually fine about it but like i still had this like
big fear and i got about three detentions from her i think and uh i wonder what a beef was with you
just didn't like me i mean there was there was one
lesson where she sent me out it was a spelling test and she just from my perspective I was doing the
spelling test and from out of nowhere she went get out and I didn't know what had happened like I literally was
very I and I kind of was waiting outside in this there was this other room so it wasn't the corridor
just other room I was just waiting there I was thinking I was literally racking my brains because I was like
well I'm about to get told off and I'm scared of this person as well she keeps on doing this to me
but I don't know what I don't know what I've done and she came in and she sat down and she went
I meant it really clearly
but she looked at me
for a while
without saying anything
and I was kind of sitting there
and she went
you think you're it
like that
and I was like
I was still trying to
rack my brains
and I said
no I don't
which is almost tragic
that I said that as well
it's just heartbreaking
you're a kid of 11
and apparently what I'd done was
she thought that I was in the spelling test
that I thought the spelling test was too easy
and I'd gone
like that
But she's projected loads of crap on TV
So what I've done was I
At that age as well
Like this is going to sound so
Such a weird
Because it was such a prophetic argument
I had to have with her
Because like basically
And it's gone away now
But I used to have a heart murmur
Growing up
So I breathed really deeply
And some other kids would take the piss at me for it
In like
Oh my God this is so tragic
It's like something else
I literally had to say to her
I was going to ask my dad
I've got a heart murmur
Oh my God
But I was like that's why I breathed
I was like I didn't even realize I'd done it
She was like whatever
Because like
Oh she sounds horrible
She's really horrible
But she almost didn't like me
Because I was like
I think she thought
That like that whole you think you're it
I think she thought
Oh he's a smart kid
Which I wasn't like
Mega smart
There were smarter kids
In the class
But like
I was like
I could do the way
work and she didn't like that for some reason.
Right.
You just unraveled her.
She just could, yeah.
Also, she could, she could break me.
She couldn't break the other kids.
She couldn't break Barry.
She couldn't break the kids that she'd taught the previous year, but she could get to me
and for some reason didn't like me either.
But that's a bad shit.
I mean, she's a grown up and you're a child.
Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
It was mad.
Is there any part of when you're doing your whole once a month little internal monologue with
where you go, thank you.
you sort of slightly shaped me.
No.
No?
She in no way shaped me.
I would say all I got from her was thinking.
She must have shaped you because you're still talking about.
Yeah, but all these people.
Yeah, but that still shapes you, doesn't it?
Yeah, but not in a car doesn't go.
Thanks for kicking the side of being getting to the panel.
Yeah, but that's extreme.
But you, like, let's go, like you went into comedy.
You were in a band.
There's a sort of irreverence to your sort of, you know, persona.
Like there must be some contribution, a teacher like that.
That makes, no.
I was on that path already.
So like already, from going to church as a kid,
right.
I was already into playing music and doing, performing comedy live and stuff like that.
So I already liked those things.
Yeah.
And thought they were fun.
And the main reason I liked them was because it made me feel good to watch those things.
And it made me feel good to make other people feel good watching them.
It was all about positivity with it.
I would say in terms of my stand-up, all of my negative, all of my poorer qualities were
because of her.
Oh, wow.
Or people like her.
That she evokes that sense of like, yeah, being unreasonably judged.
Yeah, all my defensiveness on stage, all of that kind of stuff.
It's funny, though.
You being defensive on stage is really funny.
I go as far as, I was, I still stick with my theory that she's shaped you somewhere.
Because the last gig I saw you do, you went bat-shir, a woman who went to the toilet, and you got about 20 minutes out of it, it was all gold.
I'm sorry, enjoyed myself.
I don't deny that in those moments I am so, so funny.
However, you see, you've got to thank that woman.
However, I don't enjoy them.
So, like, I still, so that moment that you saw, even though I know it was funny and I'm glad it was funny.
I in the moment don't like it
and afterwards I don't like that I didn't.
Yeah, no, I understand.
Because you're not in control of it in a way.
You're genuinely cross.
And it's not what I wanted the show to be.
It's like if someone, you know,
if you want to see a band play
and they're like a folk band
and then unplanned
and kind of like forced by an audience,
they do a metal number.
But the audience
love the metal number
and then all the audience want is metal
for the whole show.
And they're like, no,
we wanted to carry on playing folk music.
we had a folk gig planned
and we don't want to play metal
play more metal
we love the metal music
and I'm like oh no
I've got to play metal
for the whole show
but that's comedy isn't it
people doing things
sometimes that are unforeseen
or you go against your nature
or you being cross
is really funny
and you know that
you know that's part of your brand
well I try
and I think the thing is
is that
in all honesty
I know that I'm not
funny if I'm not being
if it's not coming from a genuine place.
Yeah.
And I have to then follow whatever genuine emotion I've got in me at the time.
Yeah.
And so if it is anger or frustration, I just have to lead into it in a comedy way.
So even though it is genuine that I'm feeling like that, I have to, and sometimes I fuck it up.
And the audience don't like it.
And then it ends up just feeling like I'm angry at them and that's it.
And it's like, oh, fuck, I was trying to make it funny and it didn't work.
but I think it's just because in that moment
it's the fact that people can tell it's genuine.
People can tell on Taskmaster
that I am genuinely frustrated with God.
Yeah, but it's some of the best moments.
And it's not that,
and even though to the audience it might seem
like I'm just frustrated because I didn't,
you know,
I wanted points in the task,
which isn't what I was frustrated by,
I was afraid because he was,
I felt like he was being funnier than me.
So it's even more petulant.
It's like much more petulant than,
that it needed to be.
I would have been prouder if it was, I was angry that he was getting points.
But yeah, you have to go.
Because I think in that moment, like,
Tar's Mars is a very good example.
There was this moment where I was like,
I am not going to be funny for the rest of this episode
or for the rest of the series unless I get this out of my system.
Wow.
Because unless I get this out of my system,
I'm going to sit here and sulk for the whole thing.
And all that's going to happen is I won't make the edit
because I won't say anything.
Right.
And I'll be sitting here looking sulky.
And so even like the wide shots, I'll have ruined them because I'll be sitting here in the salt.
And if I don't purge myself of this now and go off on a rant and then completely have it out of my system and not, then I can't enjoy myself again.
Well, that's brilliant to have that self-awareness.
Self-awareness is kind of, you know, a good thing to have.
Certainly as a performer that you can navigate and engineer your moods in a way that services you on a panel show.
Because often when people are on a panel show, they kind of, what is, for you.
straight in is that they're out of control.
They feel out of control.
Do you know what I mean?
It can feel like,
like it can feel once the music starts and you're on,
this thing just runs away and you're like running to catch it up.
And you go,
oh, if I'd done that and done that and done that and, you know,
you can do that.
Like you said on Taskmaster,
you were able to go, right,
I know that if I behave like this,
it's not going to go well.
Also at the time, I just thought,
on that Taskmaster episode, I thought,
if I just do this,
if it's not funny they won't put it in.
Yeah.
And if it, but I will still get it out my system.
Yeah, it's win-win.
Again, it's a painting and a photo.
It's win-win.
You get a tantrum on a panel show.
Yeah.
Because that was episode nine, I think.
And episode 10 was my favourite episode we did in the series.
Like I loved it.
And I don't think I would have loved it if I hadn't got that out of my system.
It's all part of the journey of it.
Although Rod probably hated episode 10.
It was what shouted out by that fucking dickhead.
Well, it was very funny.
So this picture of you and Nish and some cake, more cake.
Absolutely.
That's my birthday.
Oh, really?
Are you in America there?
No, I'm in Brixton.
Oh, cool.
Down the road.
Yeah, that's my birthday, um, 20, 18, 2019, I'll say.
And I've always wanted to, when I was discovering all these different places,
I wanted to have a whole day.
where I just did a crawl around Brixton Village
and had like one dish in each place
and did that all day
and I've always really wanted to do that
so for my birthday
whatever it was last year, the year before
I was like, you know,
I want to do that
and just have as many friends
come as possible
you can come and go
but we're just going to eat all day
and that was in the morning
that was breakfast
Oh great, cake for breakfast
basically there's a place called
burnt toast cafe in Brixton
where you make your own toast
but everything else
they make for you
but there's toasters around
and you can just make your own toast
how you want it and all this
and it's good for it
and I went there once
and the lady who owns it
is lovely
and she's a massive fan
of Mock the Week
which obviously I didn't know
the first time I went there
but she moved to England
a few years ago
and basically learned English
by watching Mock the Week
and so it's kind of like
really obsessed with it and has a personal connection to it because like she you know
we all taught her to speak English.
Oh that's amazing.
So I went there and she was really nice and had a chat with her and stuff the first time I went there.
So on my birthday, because it was like loads of my mates, a lot of which had been on mock the week.
Oh really?
So Nish is there.
Who else is there?
Ed Gamble was there for that bit.
Phil Wang was there.
I think that was all the people who've been on.
Oh so she must have loved it
Or the whole one week
I thought I won't tell them
Because if I tell them
I'm going to take you to a place
Where she doesn't walk the week
And she'll freak out if she sees you
I'm sorry I won't do that
Because if I tell them they won't go
Right
But it'll be fun for her
And like I just really want to see her reaction
Because she's very animated
And it's almost a bit of a laugh for me
But like we'll go
And so we're sitting down
And she's inside
And we're sitting down outside
And she sees us all
And she's like
Oh my God
And she comes out
and she says hello to me
and then she goes
she turns out and she's like
Ed Gamble
like that
and then she turns to Phil
and she's like
Phil Waz
and then she turns to Nish
and goes
Nick
Nick
and like
we all love that she's called him Nick
and Nish doesn't correct her
no
so it just stays as Nick
yeah he's Nick today
and then
she comes out to take our orders
and she's saying to everyone like Ed
what would you like her? She goes to Nish and she goes
Big Nick!
Where she said Big Nick, I fucking lost it.
And I loved it so much
and it was like, that'll tell you, it's the happiest
they've ever seen me.
You do look really happy with that photograph.
Just the voice that you, Big Nick!
And then she was very nice and bought out a slice of cake
because it was my birthday as well.
But like, obviously all day
was just us getting progressively more drunk
and saying big nick.
Oh, love me.
That sounds like a great.
Big Nick.
Listen, thank you so much, James.
Thank you.
You've got some great pictures there.
Next time, you know, select five as requested.
So that we can...
Feels like another life.
Completely alien now.
Yeah, weirdly.
So I'm hoping we'll get some form of it back.
I can't live like this forever.
It's ridiculous.
Absolutely.
That's it for this week.
The rest of Series 1 is available with all the photos
on our Instagram page
and Jen and I
will be doing
new episodes every week.
Thanks for listening.
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