Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S02 E07: Lou Sanders

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

"I left home at 15 and left Broadstairs at 17 to go to... You wouldn't guess this... University!" Lou takes Kerry and Jen through her eclectic, amazing and hilarious life! (Lou's new book 'What's That Lady Doing' is here to buy - https://geni.us/LouSandersBook?fbclid=PAAaYNXXU62dTvav9PUIHRMq3C-3CEjQZJD6JrDckAOJbKjZrS5vpqVW-AERw_aem_ASo2ghthH2DJLQ8ZENLCgbjgtSATxof5Qu1e4K7hEHGlYWHatHOOzZwgCg1nprTwI9c) Photo 01 - Growing up in Broadstairs Photo 02 - Lou as a little tiger Photo 03 - Hanging out with the skaters Photo 04 - Lou and Helena (still friends) Photo 05 - Lou and Luke McQueen PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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as they bring in four photos from their lives to talk about. To check out the photos we'd be having a natter with them about, they're on the episode image and you can also see them a little bit more clearly on our Instagram page. So have a little look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy together. I went from latitude to camping to Dorset.

Well, so what you've just said is that you went from camping to camping to camping. Yeah, I went on two camping holidays at different sides of the country. country. So I was at latitude camping. Yeah. And that's in Suffolk. Yeah. And then I literally went straight camping to Dorset. Right. So it's two camping. I've been spit-roasted.

Right. Yeah. How do you feel about that? How does that make you feel? I feel nauseous. You'd hate it. You'd have hated it. Of course, because you were showing me pictures of you. What is this guy with the wood chippy thing? That is the sound of what was going on in my brain while I was camping.

Yeah. There's some sort of like intense white noise. You, yeah. And I'm a woman. I can't get a bit roasted camping. Get out of my head. Because you were sending me photo. Well, I was in Montreal.

You were sending me, and by the way, it was really hot and sunny. But you, it was really intense heat. Yeah, because you. You were sending me photographs of you in a tent in the rain. Yeah. And then I was supposed to come back with something positive. Well, I just thought it might make you feel good to know that I was suffering. It did actually.

Exactly. And I even, and I'm a camping enthusiast, I've talked about camping a lot. Yeah. I love... You've got all the gear. I've got all the gear. Actually, speaking of all the gear, have you got any extra blue? Because we're missing some of our blue marks.

Oh my God. So now what am I? Like a camping gig library. No, but you have the same. So you can't, this is the hen and the bread again. You can't take the piss out of me and borrow my gear. No, wait. I'm not saying you're borrowing your gear.

I'm saying I think you've got some of my gear because we've got the same gear. What? You know those blue plates? and blue mugs that you took to Glastonbury. Well, we are missing two of our blue mugs, which are identical to your two blue mugs. I'm saying, have you got some of my mugs? Have you got extra mugs?

I think I have. You have, yeah, you've got my mugs. Anyway, that's a side note. Pop yourself down to Mountain Warehouse and get yourself in your enamel cup. Well, I don't need to, because you've fucking well got them. Are you camping? Are you got any camping coming up?

Do you need them? I hope not. I hope not. No, I don't. If it's an emergency, I'll career them over. It's not an emergency. Just something goes if you're, listen, I don't trust you with any kind of post. You had to post one SD card.

It took three and a half weeks. That's Royal May, not on me. Sure. Anyway, so I did cop out one night when there was a really bad storm and I stayed in a B&B. Oh, did you? So I was in a big group. We go every year with the same two families,

and it's become a bit of a tradition, and it's lovely. And we've had some really good summers. But this year, it pissed it down. And then there was one night. Some people keep telling me about this Gulfstream. I think it's a jet stream. Is that the same thing? I don't know.

It's just weather. Yeah. So then I... It's so aggressive. It's not men aggressive. It's just that I have a brevity of communication. I don't... It's bullet points.

We all need to get to the point. Yeah, it's bullet points. I understand. I know it doesn't serve a podcast format very well. No, maybe not. But also, it does get to the points quicker. You're welcome. So we went out for dinner one night when it was really, really pissing it down.

I looked at the app. the weather app on my phone. It said 99. I know what weather. It said, you know, one of those like 99.9% certainty of apocalyptic storm. And I thought, fuck that. I'm staying in a B&B.

So I just said to my friends, I've just checked. There's a room over the road and I'm going to be doing that. The betrayal on their face. Would you have felt betrayed? Yes, I totally would have. Is it one for all an awful one?

Well, look, clearly not for you. It's one for one and all for one. Absolutely not. You've got to, it doesn't matter what the weather's doing. You've got to be in the shit and everybody else. No, no thank you. I am 50 this year. I had three mouth ulcers and a backache.

What is this, a holiday or, you know, some sort of. You chose it. Is it anyone's fault that you got scurvy halfway through the holiday? You've got to stick it out. And what were these people doing? They went back to the campsite. In the torrential rain? Yeah.

They went through the storm. They weathered the storm, literally. And they told stories, they got their stories. And they've got an anecdote now. Yeah. When the wind was blowing on their faces and the poles threatened to break, all that. There you go, you got your story. What about the kids?

Elsie stayed with me. My daughter stayed with me. And Frank and Ben? Frank and Ben went back. Frank was in the camper van because we got the camper van. So he pretty much was fine. Ben alone. In the tent.

Ben, your husband alone. He loved it. Whenever there's a story. He loved it. Whenever there's a story, Kerry. And then, well, obviously, Ben was left to clean up the shit. What happened to Ben? Oh, well, we just left Ben behind.

No, that's not true. That's not true. Ben had a lovely time. And I came back with pastries the next morning. You came back with Ben. You'd need more than a bloody pastry. Never tell you. Anyway, I hope that my love of camping hasn't completely gone away.

Because I do love it. And I've got all the gear now. I've invested in it. I know. I've got your gear as well. I was going to say, you got your gear, got my gear. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of paraphernalia. Yeah.

So it would be expensive to give up on that dream. Well, it wouldn't be really, because you could sell the gear, you might actually get some money back. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you don't have to, you know. And the van, do you want that van? No, I definitely want to sell the van. It's a nice van, though.

Well, it's for sale. If anybody wants it, uh, DM me, slide into my DMs. The hub caps have been nicked, and sometimes you have to hop start it. But it's... What do you call it? Hot wiring. Yeah, hot wiring. But it's lovely. It looks like it's a van.

It's from the outside. That's a great bit of advertising. It is a van. It is a van. So if something, whether it works or not, it's a maroon. It's a maroon van. Don't worry. Don't concern yourself whether or not it'll break down.

It looks. Join the AA. That's all I'd advise. Definitely invest in the AA membership. I advise that for you to get some breakdown cover for that particular vehicle. Well, I'm glad that you had fun. And latitude was lovely. Yeah, latitude.

So just. brevity wise bullet points bullet points it latitude latitude was fun I had a really lovely time I do love latitude I am a fan of that festival

you and I have done some together yes I seem to remember going one year with you when Grace Jones was playing 2012 was he 2012 2012 so old but I do love it

and I had a nice time and I saw pulp oh my God and also 2000 did you go 2007 I think it was 2007 really blind me Let's Google that up. But I saw pulp. Oh, well that was worth going just to see pulp.

Exactly. It was worth it for pulp. Who else was headlining? Well, Paolo Nutini, but it was pissing down, so I didn't go to him. I do like Paolo Nutini. You wouldn't think I'd like Paolo Nutini, but you would be wrong, Kerry. I would say you'd like him. I'd tell you who really likes Paolo Nutini. Chloe.

And not for the reasons. I like Paulo Nutini, which is for his timbre of his voice. Oh, it's very much about his eye and he's easy. Yeah. Yeah. But Jarvis I mean, A quintessential performer

I've seen Pulp three times Have you? Where? I saw them at Bristol I've seen them in London I seen them Hello I have seen them in London

once And I saw them in Glastonbrough In the Destinbury? Are you, have your batteries right now? Yeah. So have you seen Did you see them at their height? I saw them in the 90s.

Right, okay. I don't know if that is in their heart I think they're even bigger now. No, the 90s was their golden. Yeah, no, but now people like... Joel's nodding, Joel's like, what are you talking about? Joel, you're right. It was their sort of peak in terms of their music,

but in terms of their popularity, I think people, like people who've never saw them and never listened to their music because they weren't even born. Ben saw them in Shefford, because he did uni at Sheffield, went to uni at Sheffield. And so he saw them like at the lead mill in the early 90s. Oh my God, okay, well, I can't compete with that. That's pretty cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, before they were famous.

But so, yeah, yeah. So it's a nice closure to see them after they were famous at latitude. But it was brilliant. It was really good. I would feel like that's a gig I needed to see. Just a see, Paul. Yeah. And also you didn't have to buy a ticket.

No. And the gig, and I enjoyed the gig. My gig, the stand-up gig, the stand-up comedy, the thing we do? Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I did that. And I enjoyed it. Okay, good. And that's a rare and lovely thing.

And did you see Susie Ruffle? I saw, I was sat down the front in front of the barrier. because I did a cheeky little, I'm just going to get, I'm going to shimmy down there. I don't have enough to spot. I'm actually one of the comedians. I'm sorry because you just slept me through the barren page. And I watched her set and she absolutely smashed it.

It was brilliant. She, yes, is on fire at the moment in a way that is... I found gold loads of brilliant comics. I watched Bridget's set. I watch Michelle de Swartz set. I love Michelle. Oh, it was... We need to get her on.

I loved it. When people say, are women funny... Firm Brady. You've got six. Luzie Ruffle. You've got Fern Brady, Michelle Desquart. You've got Bridget Christie. Four incredibly strong female. Oh, sorry.

Me! I forgot you. Sorry, God. What's your name again? Don't do it, Angela. You remember my name. It's me. Kerry Godleman.

Kerry Golliman. Yes, all absolute clangers. Clangers is a great word. Clangers. You're just missing a beige leather next year. You've done like a chew, though, loads of times, aren't you? Oh, no. Well, you couldn't do it because you were in Montreal.

I was in Montreal, baby. So next time, next time. Anyway, that's been a good chat. Thanks for that. And we're with Lou Sanders today, another clanger. Oh, yeah. Yeah, very excited about talking with Lou. We love Lou Sanders, always.

I said, oh, so you know, you're seeing anyone you went, and then Lou went into this long monologue about this guy. And then I went, oh, so how long you've been to? seen him because Lou went, it's not real. Lou went, oh no,

no, no, it's not real. I'm manifesting him. I'm manifesting him. I said you've manifested a tall man with a wide bottom and thick legs.

I don't want a wide bottom. I don't know what you were talking about. I don't know what you were talking about. I don't even care about thick legs, really. I don't know what I was talking about. But you needed to have put something in the manifestation. Well,

I was off my head by the sounds of things. I think you'd just come off stage and you're like, anyway. Yeah. Is that, what the book's about. We were making small talk. This is small talk with Lou. You're like, what the hell are we talking about? The book is, it's, it's very deep, actually, actually and I said lots of stories about my life. So I had a mad old life and then I stopped drinking.

And now I'd say I'm quite happy, but before then I was absolutely deranged, biting people in the face, etc. Excellent. So it's a memoir. It's a memoir. It's a memoir. It's a memoir. It's memoir. It's memoir. It's memoir. Memha-ha-ha. Memha. Has anyone done that? They must have. Yeah, let's do that. I don't. Mem ha-ha. You'll be the first one.

I like that. I like it. We'll all be writing mem ha-ha-hars. And what's it called? It's called what's that lady doing full starts and happy endings. And I've really put myself on the page, if you know what I mean? I totally know. Oh, wow, now I'm going to get it.

That's going to be my holiday read. Oh, definitely. I'm going on holiday. Well, you've already getting it sent to you. Brit when? Because I'm going on holiday on Saturday. You won't get the treats with it and that's okay. What treats?

Sweets and stuff? Yeah, palm... Stationery. Well, why would it be stationary? Because you get all that shit with stuff. It's like a party bag. I have literally never had a party bag where there's been stationary in it. Yeah, pencil.

A pencil? I got loads of stuff with Rosie Jones's book. I got a badge. I got a t-shirt. I didn't even get Rosie's book. So thank you, Rosie. I was in a book shop yesterday and so Kevin Bridges wrote a novel. I didn't know that and I never got any free.

I didn't get any free shit. I didn't get any free shit from Frankie Boyle. And his book meantime. I got Rameshes came with biscuits. Oh, right, fine. I didn't get romayshis and I didn't get Rosie. I've actually got kids that age-appropriate. Right.

Age-appropriate children and I didn't get any biscuits. Did you get a T-shirt with Rosie Joneses? No, I didn't. I got a T-shirt saying Kerry Godlaman is fantastic. This is absolutely... And I'm not even making that up. I absolutely cannot fucking believe this. Should we all leave Rosie voice notes and say...

Right, okay, let's do it. Let's do it right now. Okay. Rosie Jones. And she gave one to both of my children saying, Elsie is fantastic Frankies. Oh, Rosie Jones. This is absolutely good. classic. Just learned that you gave a t-shirt. Three t-shirts to Kerry Goddlyman when she received a copy of your book. Absolutely livid.

Text me back immediately to explain yourself. Hello, Rosie Louss-Anders here. I didn't even get a copy of the fucking book. You're joking me, aren't you? Well, that's that. That's that. That's that I've been done. Yep. Hang on, let me just leave a note for my publishers, right?

just to say, can Kerry Godlman get hers without the condom and the palm of violets and the postcard, please? Because she's going on holiday on Saturday. But I do want the condom and the parma violets. Can I have them when I get back? No. Separate to the book. Just like random packages of condoms. I won't be needing the condoms, but I will have the palm of violets.

Yeah, I didn't want condoms. I wanted a plaster that said, oops, because it's all about mistakes. The book's about mistakes. I like that. Right. And I've done condoms on Cuddle Club, my podcast out now. Out now. It's out. Available at all.

But then they couldn't make the plaster. So it's back to condoms. But then the condoms says something about mistakes. But I did the condoms first of all in Cuddle Club and then parenting hell have done the condoms. So now the condoms feel a bit old news because they've got a bigger market. No, you did them first. Yeah, but they've got a bigger market. They didn't.

They didn't invent prophylactics. No, they absolutely didn't. And what about that? Did I invent shagging? No. You did. Did I end shagging? Yes.

In a lot of cases. Lou, what happens in the hats that you used to have when you... Oh, did you go on tour? Yeah, Dick Inspector hats. Dick Inspector hats. I like that laugh from going, oh! I've got poor brother, winter. I love that you're shocked.

Oh, not on this podcast. Please keep it clean. I'm actually started, I've just read on my website. These brilliant people could thinking Fox. I couldn't be bothered to do any of the admin. know how to learn how to do it. It's supposed to be easy. But anyway, so they're doing it. And then they said you can do merch where they just do it directly and you don't have

to bother with it. So I'm back on the merch, baby. I've never done merch. Have you ever done merch? I'm doing merch. What? Whoa. Whoa. Is everyone doing merch? Apparently, yeah. You don't make any money from it. It's a bit of fun. Yeah, but I'm all for fun. Yeah. Also, if you want to start. What?

I like fun. I like fun. I like fun. All right. Oh, okay. We've worked with you for a why, and then it would have. sort of picked up on that side of you. It's like terrifying whenever she's having fun. I can't believe everyone is doing merch.

I'm so behind the curve. You could do a t-shirt with Bosch on it. You could have like captured Bosch on it. You could have key ring with Bosch on it. There might be other things, but you could put Bosch. You might have another element to your personality. At the moment.

Let's just only on that one thing. Yeah. Bosch Girls Club, like posh girls club, Bosch Girls Club. It doesn't really work. But Bosch Girls. It absolutely does. Why don't you brainstorm with Lou?

Lou is going to bring to me. We are. We are doing that right now. Lou, I'm opening your phone. I'm going to get this thing on the format because we can chat all day. Should we see if Rosie Jones has replied to any of this? I hope she listens to yours first because otherwise mine's. Yours makes no sense.

She takes hours to listen to it. Well, look, it's nice to hang out, isn't it? Exactly. That's what podcast are now. I'm going to put my... In fact, we wouldn't have seen you, Lou, for probably about another six months. Have we not put this in the dialogue? This is why I just like hanging out with friends.

and, you know, if we can get some content from it, we'd be mad. We'd be mad not to it, wouldn't we? Your social media looks like your hanging out life is really pleasing. Like, skating, kayaking. I'm trying to have fun. And you're like in like, sometimes you're in, like, a Disney world or Disneyland. You're hanging out in Los Angeles. It's a curated, it's a curated platform where you put the bird's there.

But even if I curated mine, I wouldn't be doing such fun things. I saw you camping. Yeah. But I looked like I was. Having a terrible time, yeah. Well, I thought, I told everyone I could have a summer of love. It doesn't necessarily mean with boys. It means with yourself, with myself, yes, frigging myself off every damn day.

Yeah. And get to know you're glitter. Oh, no, I did. It got taken down. No, I got barred from the platform for a week. Just a week? Yeah, because they love the content, but they just were like, look, we love it. Boundaries.

Yeah. No, I am trying to have more fun because last year, of course I had my little breakdown. And then I thought life is, I read a book by Ammer Gannon about like work, like success. Yeah, the success myth. And it was all about like stuff we know, but it's nice to have it presented in different ways and it goes in more.

And she's a great writer, Emma Gannon. Yeah. On the one hand, I sort of think, enjoy your life, go skating, live in the moment. On the other hand, I think, why aren't I booked for the bake-off? Oh, it's such a relief to hear that everyone has these thoughts, isn't it? No, there's literally everything.

person and then sometimes people say oh you're doing so well and you're this and that and you're like I haven't been on television for 18 months what are you talking about? I'm going to head by you. No I have got you know and you've got you have to remind yourself how lucky you are and you know but it's just a constant you have to not give into fear but you know all the stuff

and then every now and again when you're on your period you're a bit resentful you know you're like why aren't I on these shows? Yeah yeah it creeps in you do have to be vigilant to these thoughts yeah I know you If you do the morning pages, it does get out your system. And not everyone can be on every show and blah, blah, blah. Do you do morning pages every day? No.

But when I do it feel better, I just got rid of my therapist as well. Is that a good idea? I don't know. From everything you're saying, probably not. What about your shaman? You still got that guy? Oh, yeah. I still got a couple of them on spit down.

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Let's look at your first photo. Is that the way? Are we going chronological or is that? Well, I don't know. I've got them in a... I've got one as you as a little kid, so let's say... The one with the face painting. Oh.

Oh, okay. Did I make that up? Yeah, there is one with a face painting. That's when you're the youngest. Am I a little tiger? I don't know what you are. I think you're a tiger. You could have tiger or butterfly.

There's filters to make photos look like that now. It looks so ethereal and magical and retro. It looks like it's taken through a window. I think I am. This photo has been taken through a window. Are you being held hostage somewhere? Yeah, we think so. I'm a little tiger.

You are a little tiger. How old are you? No, but inside, I'm an old. we don't know for sure I'm only six shall we say six or six

yeah five or six you look I was a tall big girl tall girl and you've got your hair is your hair dyed can I see yeah look

my hair's dyed they've put pink spray paint in it I do remember who's they who's we who are referring to I don't know someone that was doing the face painting

I really hope it's in your family in the glass box no I think I was at a fair or something and they put pink spray painting my hair and I remember thinking, cool.

You do look cool. You do look cool. And a little tiger with a sort of gothic edge, I suppose. What was a little Lou like at five, six? Absolutely fucking cute. You can see that. Adorable. Adorable. Really little spider necklace. You are adorable. I was very, I wanted everyone to be happy.

I remember that. So going around worrying that everyone wasn't happy enough. People please that out. Yeah, people pleaser. Oh, that's unusual in a comedian. get saving all my money up to give to my brother for when he'd spent his oh no don't worry don't worry russell you can have some of my money how much older is your brother about a year and a half two years are you guys close yeah don't worry russell i've still got some sweet stuff i see i see you and your friends have finished yours maybe you'd like maybe you'd all like to eat mine but how did he respond to that like thank you now go away get back in your glass box exactly that You go away, yeah, a constant chase for male approval since then, I suppose.

And your brother, Russell, what, does he come, you know, does he come and see your shows? Oh, I'm not allowed to talk about him in any of my stuff. But do you find some, if you're, like, writing material or books or being a creative human, and there are rules and boundaries with your immediate family, like, you've talked a lot about your mom. I'm cautious. I've made a few jokes sometimes at my mum's expense and I've had feedback. Oh, what was the feedback? Don't do that.

Right. Not I'll take you to court, but just, like. Like, oh, I was, you had some very definite feedback from your mum, which was, don't do that. Don't do that. And then you're like, oh, but that's where all the funny stuff and interesting stuff is, because that's who we are. And it makes us, I know. It's hard. Yeah, I do think, like, with the book I wanted to, like, show this is somebody in my journey.

But it's impossible to do that without, I said a little bit about my brother in the ways that he shaped me. And then I did have to say by my parents because, like, that is who you are and stuff. and oh I did a few spicy things out of my dad stepdad died so I could say what I like about him that was a really more full him because but no it's about I was very honest about our relationship but it's about by the end of it there's redemption and we love each other but it was really really horrible at the start

but so I was mindful I thought God if his family are reading this I really am honest about my stepdad and what he did but then I text them all saying don't read it and if you do do you do to the end try and get to the end we'll try and finish will you

babe what do they make of your career and success I think it's funny isn't it because the more successful you get the more they buy into it and they're like oh okay then they start oh maybe we'll come to a show but my brother's not really interested

but I kind of like that because we've got a real relationship and he's not at all bothered about any of the shiny side which I think is really nice but then I have also done everything with love and forgiveness and tried to see their side of it and said, you know, we're all just people doing our best.

And when you look back, you look back at people say, I wouldn't have done that. You know, you've got your imaginary thing that you would have done at the time, but with none of the imaginary problems that they had. So do you know what I mean? You're like, well, I would have done it like this. It's like, you have no idea what else was going on for that person. So I've tried to be really like forgiving and like, yeah, I think, yeah, kind. But I have also been like told some of.

truths like I moved out when I was 15 I was drunk do you feel like it was quite um in writing it therapeutic and it's made your relationships with your family a bit easier um definitely cathartic definitely therapeutic definitely like it started out quite resentful and then I added in love and forgiveness and then look back with a lot more uh kind of empathy to everyone's part and everything and then yeah I think it's really nice and my healer you'll be pleased to know said it's yeah okay Okay, now we're in. That's different to your shaman. Different person.

Yeah, that's coming. No, I don't have a shaman just too he lives really. Okay, cool. Both in France. And she said it's like drawing a line between the old loves. It's quite a nice thing. It's quite a nice exercise to do to sort of draw a line between the old stuff and then starting again. But is your mum or your brother or family on the same kind of path?

Like the language you're using is, I mean, you know, it's the, you're on a spiritual path or herself. Yeah. But does your mum, family have that vernacular Yeah, less so, it's funny, like through the work that I've done, I've made my mum sort of go to like white witches and healers and stuff and it does really good

for her, but then she forgets and she got it didn't last and you're like, yeah, because you don't go to the gym once, do 10 press-ups and go, didn't last. But I took my stepdad to a white witch once that was funny because he's so not that type of gut. I mean, there's very few people that are, Lou. Do you know how

me and my mum got in there? We said she's really fit. Excellent. He's like, I'm there. It was so cute that he went. Oh my God, it was cute. And what did she, like when he went, what, what, forgive me, because I don't think I know what, well, they all work differently, Jen.

Okay. So don't be it, don't think you're ignorant. They all went differently. What did she, how did she work with your stepdad? Well, I wasn't in the session, but I, so it was so cute that he went. I think he just went for me. And because she had done a lot of good work with my mom. and so my

so I joined my stepdad there he went in and I just left in there but you had Parkinson's at the time oh god I'm gonna cry oh no no it's okay oh Lou it was so cute though because he couldn't get down on the floor

and he just like was so like he was like I'm gonna do it and he made she told me after that he spent about five minutes trying to get on the crystal oh it's so cute

it is amazing that he did it and committed to it. But that shows that he, you know, a big part of him going was probably for you as well, wasn't it? No, it's so cute. Imagine him stumbling around trying to get on a crystal bed and he's got no belief in it. And then after you as I picked him up and I said,

how did you find it? And he went, do you know? And I was on the edge of my seat waiting for like an epiphany and he went, do you know, I don't think I'm a very spiritual person. But he obviously is. I mean, otherwise he wouldn't have been open to it. at all. I mean, my dad thinks being hydrated is wacky.

More than three glasses of water. What's so, yeah. You're like, you need, you have a drink of water. You're dehydrated. He's like, all right, all right. It's like, whew, woo, woo. Yeah, all that woo-woo shit. What do you mean?

Where did you go up? Broadstairs. Ramsgate a beer and then broadstairs. That's a nice part of Kent. Yeah, it's got even nicer actually. But it is nice. Like, Ramsgate and Margate, a bit rough around the edges, but sort of more fun. Artie?

Artie, yeah. It's Artie now. Was it Artie then? Well, yes and no. I mean, Bagpuss lived there, so I think... Okay. Tracy Eamins? Tracy Eamins been there for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah, Margate and Mamscape were like really fun to hang out in and then the board stairs was a bit more like subdued. How old were you when you left? 17. Right. Left Ramsgate for left Brulster's 17. Yeah, but it's pretty.

It's so nice to go back to. It is really pretty and the beach is gorgeous. And when you left at 17, Because that's still quite young, Lou. Where did you, where did you go? Oh no, I left home at 15 and then I left broad stairs at 17 to go to, you won't guess this. University. That's literally blown my mind.

What goes on there? Was it one of the bottom 10 universities in the land? Yes, it was. Did I get a tutu? Yes, I did. In. Communication and Cultural Studies. That's all rolled out.

Yes. How do you think I'm talking to you now? You're culturally aware. You're culturally in tune. Yes. Where did you go? Lebanon. Lebanon.

Lebanon. You went to Lebanon. Lebanon. That's a place. I can mention some others if you like. No, where was your uni though? Oh, yeah. Hallow-Way-Lebanon.

Not where did you. Holloway. Holloway, Road. Was uni good for you? Did you enjoy it? No, not really. Because I thought I was really mature. It wasn't.

I was an absolute fucked out. But isn't that all of us? I mean, there's not a single... Twettish, aren't we? When we're teenagers? Well, I think, because I thought like, I've been living on my own for a couple of years. These mugs, they've just moved out.

You know, and I thought I was, like, but I wasn't. I was really immature. Ideally, if I had my time again, I'd go to a good university and then do all the clubs, like in just get stuck in. There's no way that would have ever happened. And also, that's completely not your personality. I love clubs and hobbies now.

Now you do, because you've gone through all this stuff. The thing is, hindsight's 2020, isn't it? I mean, I can look back at myself in my, as a teenager and go, well, why didn't I just come out of the closet? Why didn't I do this? Why didn't I do that? You've got to go through.

We forget how, I don't know, we're just completely clueless when you're a teenager. Some people have got it together. Who? I've never met anyone. And maybe they had a different class. I've never met anyone who had their shit together at 17. Sometimes I meet like. They're liaisers.

Malala? She's got it. Well, I've heard something about. of her journey to get there. I mean, that's bloody... Yeah, that's true. That's actually quite a bleak journey to get to support of your together at 17. Fair enough.

Okay. Well, skip over Milana. Which, so how old... Can we go to the one with you on the skateboard? How old are you in that? Yeah. You still look like a baby. You still look like that now?

That's not... No, I don't. Oh, I don't look like. There, I'm probably about 11, to be fair. Oh, my God, Lou, you're so tall. Yeah. Well, I was 11. I looked like I was 8.

You look like you're about 15 Cropped top and baggy shorts It's a great look now actually So the skating's always been there It's in you Well no I didn't really use the skateboard I just got it and then This has come up before

Because Izzy Sutty also had a skateboard But at least Lou's got wheels Yeah I just got wheels Yeah I knew a few things about it I put some wheels on it Yeah I didn't really use that And then Well I loved skateboarders

When I got a bit older I loved skateboarders I just fancied them so much when it was about like 13 and we used to go and watch them around Margate and just like purve on them. Yeah. But it didn't occur to us that we could learn. You could do it. That's how I feel about stand-up because I used to watch stand-ups and think,

oh, he's so sexy and watch men doing a thing. And then the penny-jogs, you go, oh, I could do it. Sorry, I want to rewind again. You have watched stand-up comedians and thought he was sexy. Who? Well, I don't want to name names, but it's like guitar, like rock stars. No, standard comedians are not like rock stars. No, stunt comedians are not like rock stars.

Oh my God. Well, they are when you're all young and you're like, there's something powerful and sexy about it. And then there's a sort of tipping point. You go, oh, I want to do it. I don't just want to sleep with them. I want to do what they're doing. The first thing is that I want to get close to it.

And you don't, it doesn't occur to you. You don't know how to you. Which seems mad now because I think girls, thank God, young women have got like way more choices and they can see it so they can be in all that stuff. But I don't know why it didn't occur to us. We could get on a skateboard with me and my friends. Jules. Because it's crazy.

Because also you wouldn't have been welcomed anyway. I love your skating clips. They bring me joy. They do terrify me. There was one where you skated off and into, like you just. Phone pit. Yeah, that looked terrifying. I was watching it going, no, don't do that.

It's a phone pit. What can happen? Well, that's what I thought, because I said to myself, that, the last clip of me going in the phone pit, because I was trying to do a, just hit yourself in the face with your own skate. It's a phone pit. It's a foam pit. Well, I said to myself on the way down,

it's only a phone pit. You can't hurt yourself in a phone pit. Went down. Let out blood-curdling scream because I thought I'd broken my ankle. Oh. And then I thought, I can't drive home. I can't get out.

Try and get out the phone pit with a broken ankle. I was thinking, it's really hard to get out on the phone pit. I was like, wearing skate. Yeah. I was like, if I've broken my ankle. But it was fine. So did you just hurt it?

Like I did something like where my friend had it and she chipped a bit of bone off. but you wouldn't really know till the x-ray. But my ankle's fine now anyway. Two weeks later, it was fine. Okay, I'd walk. Right, okay. There you go.

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availability varies by region. See app for details. Should we look at the next photo? So there's a picture of you here, Lou, and you are with a mate. Is that a mate? Oh, that's my friend, Helena. You look so happy. Talk to us about Helena. She was my best friends when I was 11. And still? Yeah, we're still really good friends.

That's so lovely. I don't think I've got, have you got any mates from when you're 11? Yeah, I've got one mate from, that's, 11's when you start secondary, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've got one mate still from that time. One, I mean, everyone else has gone. I've literally got no one from that time. That's all right.

Mates a different state. She also lives in Costa Rica, so I never see her, but. That makes it easier. That makes it easier. I find if we're not in the same country, my friendships can love. last decades actually. We went out with, when we were, me and Helena, when we were 17, we went out with a couple of 40 years, I was 41 year olds.

Oh no, this is making me feel so uncomfortable. It's awful. It's all in the book. Oh, God. One time, and I have put this in the book, so don't worry about duplication, but this guy that I was seeing. So Helena's one was a bit fitter, obviously, because Helen was beautiful. And then my one, sort of nondescript, really.

non-descripts of perver and we were doing it in his bedroom he'd just got divorced of course oh my god this is so soon dude yeah and then we were doing it in his bedroom and his daughter walked in us

and she went to my school oh shit no can we convict him well no but then he'd get back with his wife lucky her this is like Rita Sue and Bob too I know, do you remember that? Yes.

That was, that's so many wrong things about that film. Yeah. Yeah, but it was talking about things that happened. Yeah. We thought we were winning because, you know, we knew we were using them in our own way and obviously they were using us. And, but I don't know.

We thought, oh yeah, they're just buying a champagne and driving around in like a, you know, like a, you know, a car with a rooftop down. We were like, yeah, who cares? But there must have been part of us. Like our boss. Nobody knew it was wrong. Like, because when my mom, like one night, I took this guy to Canterbury. And I took this guy to Canterbury because, like, the trains are stopped running or something.

And he's set around, but we had separate bedrooms. And my mum pulled me to one side and she was like, please tell me you're not sleeping with him. And he was 40? He may have been 41, yeah. And I think he was 40. Oh, my God. And then my mum was like, please tell me you're not sleeping with him. And I was like, oh, God, no.

And like, I knew that it was like, icky. Yeah, yeah. But then part of me was just like hell bent on like destruction. That rebellion and that kind of pushing against convention. But we thought we were winning. We thought we were like using them kind of thing. Yeah. But you don't feel like that now with retrospect.

With retrospect, I think what the hell were they playing out? Like that's mad. Like a 40-year-old. I mean, I just don't, I can't comprehend what a 40-year-old is getting from. No, trial. But it's such the cultural norm. That kind of like, because we were talking about the other day about like the Mandy Smith.

or the young girl with the older guy in the music scene. It's so culturally normalized. And now because of me too, there's a whole different discourse around it. Yeah, we see it as like abusive and grooming. Yes, but when we were growing up, it was not. It was seen as like... I mean, I remember being... When I was at school, there was a teacher,

and I think he was in his 30s and one of the students... I mean, she was 16, so I suppose legal. It was like legal, whatever, anyway. It's not legal. I know, but they were having an affair. And I remember as all of my friends, like, oh my God, she's so lucky. And I remember thinking, that's gross.

Yeah. Because I was like, what are you going to do? He wasn't even an old man, but I remember thinking he's old. But he was only like, I don't know, 30 or something. But I can see that the 17-year-old, you like you said, was like, but this is great because I'm getting treats. I'm getting cocktails paid for. Yeah. I mean, he's the problem.

I mean, those two men were the problem. Yeah, yeah. It's such a weird. Was it a problem. I was a sexy little 17-year-old. with your sexy mate. Yeah. What did she think of it?

He saw me with no eyebrows and thought that's one for me. He probably couldn't believe his luck, Lou. Of course he couldn't believe his luck. The dirty purvo. Yeah, yeah. But also, now I think... And you did it with a mate.

Like, it's different if you're doing a thing with the mate. Like, me and the mate I am still in touch with when we were at... She, we always sort of hung out with two boys. They were a bit older, but not in their 40s. But it was like, it was doing it with a mate. Yeah. Like, it would have been different if you were on your own. Oh, yeah.

We wouldn't have had anything. to talk to you. I don't think we ever went out maybe the two of us kind of thing. I mean, I can't really remember. I mean, what the hell would you have talked about? Yeah. But also I think it's current affairs. I think it's Cases. Could you help? Playfitting, skating.

Did you help me with my air level? So, let's look at the final photograph that we've got here. Oh no, we've got two more. No, we haven't. We got one more. Oh, we've got one more. That's you and Luke, isn't it? That's little Luke McQueen, isn't it? What, is this a recent one? This one? Oh yeah, did I send you that?

Yeah. Well, I don't know how I've got it otherwise. Oh yeah, lovely. That's us in L.A., of course. And you in Los Angeles. Hollywood. Hallard. So Luke, I know that Luke is one of your very dear friends, your comedy pals.

How did you guys first sort of meet and hang out? Was it in a... I met him just on the circuit and we weren't like that close or whatever. And then he just, he used to just not really... I think he split up with his girl. girlfriend and he didn't have anywhere to live. And I was like, at the time I was living in this guy's house and there was a bedroom going spare.

So I said, oh, you can move in here if you want. And he just moved in with a carrier bag pretty much. He's very relaxed. Luke is very relaxed. And then he went to Edinburgh and he's like, he only did the tendency up to Edinburgh. This was a few years ago. And then he was like, oh yeah, I haven't got anywhere to live after Edinburgh. And then I said, and then he's like, Francis, do you mind if I moved back in and Francis,

Yeah, sure. I really envy people that are that crazy. That's lovely. I mean, that's lovely. I just couldn't not know where I'm living. I think he's a little bit more, this was a few years ago. I think he's a little bit more like sort of grounded now.

So you've been living together quite a few years now. Yeah, so we've got a flattened gospel like we live together. We've got two cats, just best friends. But I do want to meet someone and move out. And I think Luke would like. that too. But I don't want to ever live on my own. And why are you in LA together? You just went through. If I moved out with a boyfriend though, I would miss him. I can't really take the cats away from him, but I suppose I'll have to. Well, can you, how many cats have you got to?

Well, they can't separate. They can't separate the cats. They're brothers. They're brothers from birth. Do cats care about each other? They do. They do. They care. I watched a documentary about cats. I feel like I know way more about cats than I did before. Which documentary? It's on Netflix. They've got loads of feelings that we didn't really acknowledge before. seek for life of cats. Something like that, yeah. Well, that they respond to their name, they know their owners.

I think we kind of went along with the narrative that dogs are the ones that love us and cats couldn't give a fuck. But they do. Cats are absolutely. All animals are little souls and they're very deep. Yeah, they're very, to think that we used to treat them

just like as a little accessory, they're like so deep that you can communicate with them just by looking them in the eyes. I'm not kidding. But you can't hold eye contact, can you? You can. You can.

You can. I talk to my cats. cat talks. What does it say? Ow. Does it actually? Does it really say that? Okay.

I'm going to send you a video. Oh my God. It says, Oh my God. It says hello. They echo language. He'll call, like, if I, yesterday, because we're going away and someone came around to meet the cat

and know where the food is and everything. And I said, he wasn't in. And I went, oh, I'll get him in. And I stood at the back door and went, Rupert! Rupert! And then he came down, Rao, down the path.

He's like, All right. You love the cat. You're not sticking on the dog. Yeah. I've got a better relationship with the cat. Why were you in LA together? Were you working?

We just had to use our British Airways. Points. So you weren't like networking in LA? No, God, no. But you went to see brassy, brassy bum bum, didn't you? We were actually deteriorating relationships. Yeah, you went out after me, didn't you? How was that?

Are you doing a project with Bradley? Well, no one's doing it. anything, I think. That's so bad timing, yeah. We did have sort of something bubbling away and it's gone away. I don't know if we'll ever come back. I don't know.

I think after the strike we'll find a lot of things that were bubbling away have bubbled off. God. That's so depressing timing. I don't know. It's just life, isn't it? You're very chill, aren't you? Oh, I've got no expectations anymore. So, any time anything happens.

I mean, not quite as bad as Kerry where I'll go, I think this is going to happen. It's like, nah, it's never going to happen. It won't happen. No, it won't happen. I'm really cynical. It's probably unethally cynical. I'm less cynical than you. But I don't hold on to things anymore.

I used to hold on to things and go, this is going to happen and then this is going to happen and then my career. And now I just go, oh, if it happens, it would be great. But if it doesn't, you know, I guess I'll just stay on tour. That's it. Oh, yeah, because I was very excited about, I pitched an idea with Mel B, wild women, wild swimming.

I remember you telling me about that. And I told us about it. And you were like, we've already pitched out ages ago and they didn't want it. Yeah, but that's a completely different. Yeah, but that's not necessarily. about the idea that might be just us. Yeah, quite. I remember saying to you that someone will get a menopause show and Bridget got it.

It's like they do, someone will get that whilst me. Someone is going to get it. It might not be you, might not be me. Someone's going to get it. It's timing talent and, timing talent, no. Timing talent title. Title?

Oh, right. What, like I've got to be a lady? No, you've got to get a good title. You've got to hit at the right time and it's got to have the right talent. But, wild women, whilst women, well, the title's there, Talent, Mel B. 100. Talent, New Sanders.

Do you want to see me in a bikini or not? I'm going to that. Do you want to see me in a bikini or not? That's the tagline. That's a brilliant title. Lou, I would very much like to see that. You're good at titles. I loved your wow title.

What was it called? I don't know. Lou Sanders, wow. Was it? Isn't it? No, it's your show. I don't know. It was cool.

I really. love that title. What was your last show? What was your last show called? It's called Lou Sounders. One word, wow. One word, wow. I love that title.

One word, wow. That's asking for trouble review-wise, isn't it? It's brilliant. Right. We've done it. Jen, you've got lovely Nikes on that manage to. I love those Nikes. They merge sort of lesbian walking boots with cool trainers.

Oh, thank you. Bang on brand. I liked 50% of that compliment. You are. Am I not? Yes, I'll allow you to say it as well. Am I not allowed to say stuff like that? Is that bigoted?

No. Well, I don't know. It's irony, isn't it? Also, we're mates, so you can say all of that stuff today. Don't forget I fingered four girls. I'm sort of an ally. Oh, well, if you've delved into the bottom half, you say whatever, you're like. Don't forget I'm an ally because I have fingered four girls.

I'm not one of them, sadly. Never mind. Yes. Yet. One word. Wow. Lou Sanders, it's been an absolute bloody pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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You're getting yours. Yeah. It might be Friday. I mean, we've not even talked about when I'm going on. Tomorrow is Friday, babe. What, is it Friday? Yeah. Oh, God, they're going to have to send that.

You're going Saturday. Yeah. We're going to have to send it first class. I mean, recorded. I think I'm worth first class. I'm recorded. Well, we've saved on the prophylactics in the palm violets we can spend on the postage. I'm Max Rushden.

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