Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S02 E15: Kevin Bishop

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

"You've been Elphicked" Kevin Bishop, child actor and brilliant sketch actor/comedian joins us with some unbelievable stories from his incredible career. Photo 01 - Kevin and Kermit Photo 02 - Kevin and Tim Curry Photo 03 - Kevin and Billy Connolly Photo 04 - Kevin and Russell Tovey Photo 05 - Kevin and Michael Elphick We also forgot to mention that Kevin's latest film SumOtherHood is out on the 13th October 2023 and well worth a watch! PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ For tickets for Josh’s Gobsmacked tour please go to: www.offthekerb.com A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I know where you are, what's going on with you? I'm at home, which is lovely. Can you see where I'm at home? I can see that you're at home. It's so nice being at home, isn't it? You can see through the webcam. Here I am in my house. That must be lovely.

And was you away all weekend? I wasn't actually. I wasn't. So I have had the whole weekend at my house. Oh wow. That's why you're so calm. Do I look calm today? Oh, Joel's nodding as well.

You didn't seem kind of calm. Yeah, I feel quite chilled actually. I've had two swims, two sea swims. There you go. And I've had, yeah, sort of a chilled time. been watching some weird stuff on TV, you know, the usual. Have you watched any of Zoe on Celebrity S-A-S-S? I haven't, and that's what I'm catching up with tonight.

Well, because it's traumatising. Oh, God. Well, I mean, when after she got back, so I remember when she got back and I asked her how it went because at that point, neither of us were still doing that, we're working that much, so we still saw each other quite a bit. And she said it was like it nearly broke her. It did.

Well, she broke ribs, I think. Oh no. I mean like mentally. Oh yeah. Oh yes. And physically. I watched a bit of it to, you know, just sort of support her. But I just found it a very difficult watch.

Does Matt Hancock got his dick sucked off by a leech? Because that's the only reason I'd watch it. I didn't see that. But let's just say Matt Hancock got a good edit. He's in it a lot. He's in it a lot. So beware. Okay, there's only been one episode so far

Okay, all right Well, I'll catch up with that tonight And then I'll catch up with the rest of it When I get back. And then you're back on the road after tonight I'm back on the road from tomorrow I mean, fun times Kerry, what are you doing?

Who cares? Who cares? I'm back on the road. Nobody cares. I am, I'm still just in my semi-retirement at the moment. I did drink quite a lot of wine at the weekend. Oh, well this I want to get into. Okay.

So very quickly, I just want to get into this with you. Because this is my experience of Kerry Godleman with wine, without wine. Yeah. Okay. Without wine, vehemently against wine. Anti-wine. I don't think I'll ever drink again. Yeah.

do like some wine. I don't think you're drinking enough wine. I do have a love-hate relationship with wine. Yeah. Don't we all? I've accepted it. You are still in the throes. I know. I know. The problem is when I don't drink wine, I do feel great. Of course we all feel great when we're not drinking Kerry. We all feel great. Why do we drink then? So Saturday night, I was at home alone on my own. So it's like a rare and lovely treat be in on a Saturday night. Especially for a stand-up comedian. I always associate

it with that. I actually genuinely feels like I'm sciving off work. If I'm at home on a Saturday night, it's like I'm skiving. So Ben went to a party. Both the kids were at sleepovers. They both had your stay and over at mates. And Ben went to a party. I hope they don't hear this. But anyway, I

was meant to go but I thought, I don't want to go. So I stayed in. alone and quite a lot of chocolate and drank wine and watched telly. Great. What were you watching? Well, I tried again, this is not going to be popular, but I tried again with succession. And again, I didn't connect with it. I will get into it. I refuse to not be in the gang. Like all gangs, I refuse to not be in.

To be excluded. Yeah. I will be in. You refuse to be excluded from this particular gang. Yeah. I think it's absolutely okay if you don't. There's loads of gangs that I have just bypassed and I've carried on with my life quite happily. But everybody loves Succession. I can't be wrong.

I've just got to keep trying. Not everybody. There's some people it's not for them. I had to drag Chloe along with me to the Succession series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was like, I can't, I'm not. But then once she got in, she was in. But I dragged her along.

So she's a bit more like me. She's a bit more reluctant. Yeah, she was like, I drag her through a lot of stuff though. Sometimes she does dump it, But she didn't dump succession. In other news, I've had a haircut. Oh yeah, it's quite short. Yeah, but also I've dyed it.

Oh, why do you dye it? Is it because of the grey? No, because I just love dyeing my hair the same colour that it's always been for £100. It's because of the grey. Yes, yes, for the grey, Kerry, for the grey. This is the thing that, when I dye my hair, people go, why are you dying it? I'm like, well, why are you dying your hair? Yeah, but Jim, why are you dying your hair?

But why do I get so much grief if I die in my hair? People are like actually actively angry with me. What? Betraying the sisterhood, why are you dying your hair? I'm dying by hair because I don't know if anyone's noticed how many old ladies are getting work. But there's not that many. Okay. So in an attempt to mitigate ageing.

Gray hair's in. Oh, everyone says that. Yeah, no, grey hair is in. No, look, it is. Well, and when it's out, what happens? When it's out in six months time? Which it will be. What?

No. I can't just suddenly, I'm not Philip Schofield. I can't just suddenly rock up with dark hair after being grey for like, anyway, I don't, I don't even know why I brought this up. I've got to happily done, you wouldn't even have noticed. This is the other thing. No one noticed it until I mention it and they go, oh, well, you, you made a rod for your own back there. Why have I, why have I, why have I, who are these cockneys,

these aggressive cockneys that you're hanging everywhere? Oh, yeah, I know. Well, you've got to struggle to not diet from. until the end of your death. Who is this character? I don't know. I'm sort of slightly basing it on someone that... It's you, isn't it?

It's you. It's me. It's me. This is turning into therapy now. Anyway, look, I've done it. It's done. Will you look lovely? Thank you.

Well, that's kind of where we should have led with that. I know, but I quite like the aggressive cockney character that you were. That I manifested in a defensive way about something that I need in a broad. brought up in the first place. Oh well, anyway, who are we talking to today? The very funny, raconteur, Kevin Bishop. This man has got a lot of showbiz anecdotes. Some might say too many for one podcast.

In the old days, he'd have been on parkey, sitting on a chair telling tale after tale. Because he's been in show business for such a long time since he was a kid, he's just got a lot of stories. Yeah, and because he's had such a varied career, you know, in terms of ways being in what he's been in, movies and TV shows and sketch shows and sitcoms and L.A. Yes, of course I remember. Yes, I know. It's mad.

I mean, what I think about my stories, I'm like, well, I sort of went around the UK circuit for like 20 years. I know. I always feel like that. Do you want to tell your stories? I'm like, well, I did a big shop, but he's got proper top. Penn stories and very funnily told. Have you got a gazillion photos in your phone? Yeah, yeah.

And you didn't have, I mean, you haven't got to call your mum and get them dug out. No, no, no. Some old album. I love that you just got that on there, like the Muppets on there. Because you must get asked for it. Yeah. When you were a kid, did you, where was the bit where you went, I want to do that? I want to be in these songs?

So, yeah, so, my mum's sister's got. eight daughters and they used to watch Annie the musical film. Why wouldn't you? I'd watch it all day. So they're watching it on a loop all day because that's what he did in the old days didn't we. We watched things. What was why it was on telly? Yeah because there was nothing else to do. I used to watch George Formby films over and over and... I love George Formby. Because he was always on. Yeah but if you listen to some of those songs now you know they are utterly... Oh they're riddled with problems. They're very problematic. He'd be cancelled.

Oh yeah. Post-ward traumatic, yeah. So you thought I want to be in these films? So yeah. So I basically would watch these films over and again. Return of the Jedi just watched it six times a day. And then we'd get into the Goonies and like Indiana Jones and Raiders are Lost like all these

films with kids in them. And I remember saying to my mum, I said, Mum, how did these kids get in these films? And my parents said at my, I don't come from a show of his family and they'd be like, we don't know. I went, I want to be in these films. And you couldn't Google it. No, no, no.

You couldn't sort of find out somehow. Well, my mum said, I spoke to someone the other and I said, my son wants to be an actor and I just think he's got something sort of talent. I'm not sure because I imagine what I just came out of the womb with tap dancing. And she was like, you don't what to do with him. And she said, well, there's child actors need an agent. And there are children's agents. So I remember my mum picked up the yellow pages and then flipped through the yellow pages and found Sylvie Young.

Oh my God. And so Sylvie Young was in yellow pages. And so she took me to Sylvie Young's in his little, oh God, where is it? No, Marlebone. Right. Got to Marlebone. walked through the door and it was like sort of fame. Like it was really like there was just kids,

there was just kids tap dancing. And how old are you now for this? I'm like, I'm now 10. And so. That is the big one though of all of the, I mean like I don't think I know. Well there was Italian Conti. Oh Italian Conti, that was it.

Sylvia Young and Anna Sher. Yeah. So Anna Sher was the sort of like the street kids and we're always terrified of auditioning with Anna Sher kids because if they asked you do improvisation, it always ended up in a stabbing. Yeah, you're a cut. Yeah, it was all that.

It was like, it was like, Ding a linga-ling, can I have a packet chewing gun, please? Shut up, man, he's thought about. The thing out, get off you, man, they just stuck my brother. It was like that. Every, every... I was in a workshop audition for EastEnders, and that's how it was. He was like, you shut, no, fuck you, you shut.

You're fucking mum shop. Did you chripe? I was like, how did we get here? Well, I was a child actor with like, so there's hardly any of us left, but, like, Danny Dyer was one of my kind of contemporaries. And if you walked into an audition and it was for like Street Kid Number 3 or whatever, Danny was there you might as well have just left

He got it Yeah Because Danny was like this weird You know like the Munchkins In Wizard of Oz Was like a man Like a man in a child We are

What's that song I remember Danny was like It would be like 14 years old or something And we walk in there and he go Well I bade moose Danny I'm Kenny Town Oh Kenny Town

Oh yeah And it was literally like You actually felt nervous because he was the real deal. Wow. Yeah, he was. He was like Ray Winstone, but like a child.

Yeah. And he was like, oh, babe would say, what? Do you want to borrow a score? I'll tell you what, I'll borrow a score. I'll tell you why, I'll borrow a school. We're going to cut the pints after this. We're like, we're 13. Listen, you won't get a served around here. You can't have my pub and can't town.

You get no problem, you know. It was like he was a proper scary man. Yeah. And so if it was for a, if it was for like a rough street kid, you just, just go. There's no point. Danny's got it. And everyone loved him.

And actually, he, Even though he was like that, he was always lovely, he was soft. I mean, I'm very, very fondly. He's a lovely guy. I've always had a really good laugh with him. What was your first job? So I got into Sylvia Young's, right? Yeah.

Walk through the door and I go into the office and she's sitting there in the corner in the office. And she's sitting over the corner and I said, Sylvia, this is Kevin. He wants to audition for the show. She went, can you sing, darling? And I went, yeah, she went, can you sing a song? sing a song now. I haven't actually prepared anything. Sing happy birthday. I went, happy birthday. You're in. You've got an open audition tomorrow for the sound of music.

Yes, it's at the Sadler's Wells. It's 10 o'clock of the morning. And that was it. That was it. I was signed. I was signed to Silver Young. That's exactly how I imagine she sounds. Yeah, she does, she says, it's so great, you talk. And so I went along to the audition at Sadler's Wells. There was 2,000 kids in a queue outside the theatre. I would not have been able to do that. I would have just gone, no, I want to go home.

Also, as a mum, I'd have just taken you home. I'd have been like, fuck that. Let's go home and watch Annie again. Yeah, it's a hard life. I wasn't completely green because I'd been, my first professional job was in Panto with Lionel Blair as a tap dancer when I was eight.

Bloody hell. Yeah, it was Cinderella with Wendy Richards. Oh my goodness. And that was in Orpington? That was in, Bromley, Churchill Theatre. Oh yeah. And then the next year, I was Ronnie Corbitt, with Ronnie Corbitt and Jack in the Beanstalk.

What? as a tap dancer and uh god i can't imagine i just you must have been a very like grown-up eight-year-old yeah um no but i really was genuinely i find that personally but people say we're you're a pushy mother i was like no very pushy child uh i basically just said to my parents this is what i want to do but i ain't do something about it what are you going to do but that's just mad to me like i look at my eight-year-olds and they're because i've got twins I've got boys they're eight. And I can't even imagine them having that kind of agency

or being able to come make those decisions or have that self-mage. You wouldn't have been able to find a matching pair of socks at eight. No. Well, I struggled doing that stuff. Right. Okay. A Sadler's Wells, right, with Sound of Music. And I was auditioning for the part of Kurt.

And when you're a child actor, you've got a set amount of days. I think it's like 80 days or 40 or 80 days or something. And then you can only use those days, but you're not legally allowed to work. any more days than that because obviously your school suffers and everything else and then that finished there's three groups of kids and then I left I left that and then I landed Grange Hill was my first TV job. I remember you did Grange Hill. Who did you do Grange Hill with? Who were your contemporaries?

Pre or Pozoammo? I was in it I was in it when it just began to get shit. How old were you when you did Grange Hill? 12 it's quite shameful. I was on Grange Hill for two series and I was so badly behaved because I was like what we would call a real child you know like where even though I was more professionally working as one I was a wild child so like one from from the wilderness and so I went to a normal school I didn't go to Sylvie Young's full time just on the agency so I went to I went to I went to same school David Bowie went to which was just like a you know

calm you know all boys really rough South London school and then I would get picked out putting in Grange Hill where Wow. It's a set of a school. It isn't a real school, and you're working full on, or your intuition. There's nowhere to stretch your legs. There's no field like I had. You don't play football.

You can't do that. And so I had a lot of energy, as I still have. And so as a kid, can you imagine that? It was like a Tasmanian devil. And so it was, I was just so naughty. And so I remember this producer called me into the office. She was like, I mean, Kevin, I don't know where to start. I mean, I like you.

You know, I like you. I see you have potential. We like you here. But you've just got to go. You've got to go. You've got to go. I'm so sorry. I didn't really know how to say this, but you're fired.

And you were 12. And I went and told my dad. My dad is like, my dad is not like me. My dad is a health and safety inspector. And I told my dad, I went, He'll kick me out, Dad. Throw me out of great cheer. And all the kids were like, oh my God, man.

Who's been kicked out of a great show? Like, you're finished, man. All my day's like, you're all right. That's it, man. You're like, never going to work again. And, like, oh my God, burnt at 12. Wow, man. You've been expelled from it.

And I told my dad, and my dad just looked to me, and he went, ah, he went, only my son could get expelled from a fictional school. That is harsh. But actually, it turned out. It didn't. It turned out. It turned out. The silver lining, the silver lining, so you know I was explaining to you earlier on about days.

So you got these days, right, and then you use up those days, that's it. Brainshiel used to take all your days. That was the thing. We got all your days, you can't work on anything else. I got expelled and I had these days. I landed Muppet Treasure Island. Right, show us this picture. Show us this picture. Of you with a certain green frog.

Was it gone? This was actually was probably the best thing that could have happened for your career. because like I mean what was what was the role that you landed so the so it's it's Treasure Island the famous book and the Muppets said I've been to the cinema to see Muppet Christmas Carol like with Michael Kee which I thought was amazing blew my mind yeah I love and I was like I remember being in that cinema I'm watching those credits come up at the end just thinking please I love to be in a film like that you know like it must be like early manifestation and then I

And I really stuck with me that film. And then I remember Sylvie Young said, she went, there's an audition coming up for a remake of Treasure Island film. And I thought, brilliant. We're going to be in the Caribbean. Like, this is a great job. I have no idea what version of Treasure Island. So Muppets hadn't been mentioned at this stage.

Not been mentioned. And then the first audition was literally like someone just going, yes, no, yes, no, like physically pushing you to one side. That's how brutal it used to be. That is brutal. it should be. And I wish it was like that now. And so yes, no, yes, no. And there was more auditions and more auditions and more auditions. And then eventually they said, okay, this is actually the Muppets. And in those days, you auditioned all the time, all every week, couple

of times a week, for something. So it wasn't that overwhelming until it got into the latter stages. So I meant to meet Brian Henson and Martin Vaker in Oval Road in Camden, which was the creature shop. So, labyrinth, you know, dark crystal, all those trippy films that the Henson's made. Never any story. Yeah. Never any story, yeah. Ametronics was their thing. They were amazing.

And so I got there and Brian was like, hey Kevin, come in, sit down, it's nice to meet you. I was the first person that they met of Brian actually met the very first kid that walked through the door. Do you think that help get the part? Because you just made such an impression. Well, anyway, they auditioned something like 2,000 children. Fucking hell, you'd think they'd have forgotten you.

And Brian just said to Martin, he went, why didn't we just go with that kid? The one that came in first. See ourselves all this, you know. He talks about it in interviews, Brian talks about it. Really? He was the first kid that walked through the door, and we were like, okay, if that's a great start, let's do what the others are like.

And none of them ever met. None of them were right. But, but I mean, I'm sure that. they saw some brilliant kids, but like we went to, well, Russell Tovey's, for example, I mean, so they went to the screen test was at Shepperton and with real Muppets. And that was freaky, really freaky.

What, this is mad, isn't it? It's gonna sound like such a fucking stupid question. But you know, when you see the Muppets, obviously you don't see what's happening to the Muppet to make the Muppet, what is happening? Well, you know what? You know what? hands up there.

It was, it was, were they real? Are they real? Are they real? Just tell her they're real. She's really excited. What about the, the tooth fairy? Yeah. No, so they, they, they didn't have, they didn't have the, they didn't have the, they

didn't have like the, the proper Muppet performance. So it wasn't like Dave Gold, Steve Whitwell, Aaron. But they wanted to see you interact with Kermit. Well, there were these like British, brilliant puppeteers. But they needed to see us for all sorts of reasons, you know, like, like, lying. and then how you match with the mummets and if you blended in and whatever and do you know what I just I thought in my I went to pieces I got I blank my lines really yeah I was terrible screen test um but I'd sung the song and I was as I could sing as a kid like I was ride it was in choirs and things like that so I was you're used to singing and so I the two casting ladies Julie um uh Suzanne and Jilly Paul uh Suzanne and Jilly pull uh Suzanne Croyley and Julie

people, they were like, they were like, we really want Kevin to get this. You know, and I could feel that they really wanted to get it. And but it was, my screen test I felt was so bad. And then it was weeks and weeks and weeks having done screen tests. And on a Sunday, Martin Baker called my mum and said, we want Kevin to be the new Jim Hawkins in Muppet, Treasure Island. And how long was the shoot and where was the shoot? So Sheperton Studios. And so Tim Curry, Jennifer Saunders.

That's one of your other pictures. Yeah. So that was the first time I'd work with Jen Saunders. I've worked with her a couple of times since then. She must have been nice. Oh, she was lovely. She was just lovely. I mean, she is just one of my favourite human beings.

She's so funny all the time. But Tim Curry, I remember, you know, Tim was like, you had jet lag. He had jet lag for eight weeks. basically I've got a bit of jet lagment fuck off and stop talking to me is what jet lag meant and that's a good code because I was I mean I just wanted to talk to him all the time I had so many questions from

for someone like you that would have been quite hard to contain 14 year old Kevin Bishop not talking yeah Billy Connolly was in the film oh god so so Billy Connolly I knew verbatim all Billy Connolly's stand up all his routine like like beat for beat for beat for beat for beat and and I used to just quote it to him all day

he go fucking hell you know my wealth better than me like it was just like he was just send him mad that he was he always loads of time for me Billy and we would got play he'd play the banjo with me in and in his room we'd be playing like the Beatles on the banjo it was just mad magical times oh wow and Billy was always just arc oh but he dies on page 13 and so we shot all his stuff immediately and the the feeling on set when Billy Connolly was on that set I mean, it was just electric and he was so funny all the time. And I remember just looking at him and looking at the way he behaved

and the way he acted with himself on stage and how he treated other people. And I just thought, that's what I wanted to be like all the time on the set. And so he was just tattooed on my mind. This is how you should be. Everyone's having a great time because he's here. What a great role model for you to encounter at that age as well. The best. And he always had loads of time for me.

And so Billy died on page 13 and when he left it was like It was it honestly it was I don't want to do it anymore if Billy's not doing it Oh Have we got to do this for another six weeks It's just awful Tim Curry Fucking heartbroken when you're there

And oh god he was lovely and Jen was great And I was a massive French and Saunders fan Like huge my mum My mum just brought us up on that And Dawn visited the set with Edmondson, Lenny Henry and their kids, and they turned up at the set to see it all. It was just insane. And how were you treated?

Were you treated as an equal or like a child? I was spoilt rotten. I was absolutely spoilt rotten. It was nuts. I mean, it was so mad. I had a dressing room full of whatever I wanted. And I was just little shit. Like I would, I'm my driver, he's still my mate today, even today, Pete Grovak, and he used to pick me up.

He was also drove the director and he picked me up. I'm 14 years old and he picked me up in this old Mercedes, Black Mercedes 500 SEL. And he'd already taken the director to Shepperson and he's picking me up. And he's turned, he looked in the rearview mirror one day and he's gone, I'm having a fag in the car in the back. I'm 14. Literally having a fag out of the window. because I found the director's bags in the car. And he said, what are you doing?

You went, you can't do that. I was like, oh, don't tell mum. I'm not a bag. Oh, number one on the cool sheet, lamb. That was a 90s. That was a 90s. That was a 90s for you. You can do it in Canning Town.

But I actually remember I turned 15 on set. And they got me so, I mean, it was obscene. Like they got, they had this big thing. They were saying happy birthday to me. set everyone everyone's like yeah every birthday I hate this kid and and they presented me with tickets for Man United because I made night support of Eric signed Eric Canton our books oh well signatures from all the United team like a main night shirt just some lovely presents oh and the best one an actual

Muppet of me what I own that yeah that's amazing so with all my clothes from Muppet's Ryan so a Muppet of me full dressers, Jim Hawkins. Wow. And they've only given, that time, they said we've only given three Muppets. They've given one to me, they gave one to Tim, Tim Curry, and they gave one to Michael Kane.

And apparently Michael Kane just left at his dressing room and was like, oh, I don't want that. I don't know what I'd do with that. So I'm going to put good use to it. And I just left it. Like where does life take you after that? So after Muppet Treasure Island, I went to Los Angeles with my dad.

To do pilot season with a view to getting an agent, all that stuff? To get an agent, which I got, but the, so I was only, what was I, 15? What did your dad think of going to LA? Completely overwhelmed. LA's mental. My dad, bless him, right, he came to go to LA with me. And my dad likes to sort of save money. And so dad and I got there, this is before Satnav or anything like that.

So you just get, in the old days when you go to LA, it's an enormous map and nothing make sense and my dad was trying to find the remada in like studio city and it took us hours to find it and he eventually sacked it off and then found this motel on the right side of the road which what I realize now you could you could hire it by the hour so it was a knocking shop my dad would know that and I remember I was in the I was brushing my teeth and then looked in the mirror and a cockcrow just ran over my shoulder like this right and and so I was like dad this is a horrible place. It's okay, it's only £20 a night. And then we, I remember I had all

these general meetings. When you go LA, you have these generals, don't you? People just talk about whatever. And I had the head of Warner Brothers, we were in Warner Brothers and we're waiting for this guy to come out. And then I'm sitting there and I felt this sort of thing in my foot. And I was like, my God, what the hell is that? I was like, fucking out. Took my boot off. Oh God. it out and this cockroach fell out of the boot and just ran across the shiny floor of Warner Brothers and my dad leapt up and went and stamped on this cockroach which exploded across the floor the shiny polished floor and the guy was standing there with his handout he had hi Chip as it

Kevin like I was so timing with perfect we were clearly we were clearly just fish out of water And I remember I sat in this agency and this guy said, okay, what we got to do here is like, you know, like everyone loves them Muppets, right? And, you know, what we're going to do is you've got to give you emancipated from your parents. You've got to come out here, you've got to live out here, get emancipated from your parents, which basically is to get divorced from your parents. That's mental. And you're 15?

I'm 15. So I go live there away from my parents. And I walked out of there and my dad looked at me and he said, I don't feel so good about this, son. I don't think this is the right thing to do. How do you feel? And I went, I don't think so either. And didn't go. That was it. Just went back to England.

You're 15. You can't go and live in L.A. And went and did the rest of my childhood. Do you feel like that's the sliding doors, what that life wouldn't be? Well, what we've found out since, I mean, look, the stuff that we see now that's coming out about these kids, child actors, I mean, God knows what could have.

Well, you look at like Corey Feldman, Corey Hayne, all those young men that were like emancipated and had no protection. and yeah yeah I'd probably be on crystal meth and you know or dead you know that's because that's what a lot that's what's happened to a lot of that but that's great that you did you know that you at that age you weren't so starry that you were like I want it you know you're like actually this is right no you know what I mean for all the stuff like I my family are very normal they're very down to earth they're not show busy and and and

that's the best thing that they could have been for me you know because that because it was always grounded yeah it was always always grounded in like, you know, like, I could come home and say to my mum, go, oh, mum, you never guess what, she's like, all right, calm down. You know, there's always that like, all right, you know. Some people go over there and now that lottery experience where they, it lands really well for them. But like with me, it was a very long, slow process where I chipped away, chipped away. And it's a home from home for me.

Look, it really is. What sort of stuff are you doing out there? So the big one for me was I made a, I made a network. comedy over there called Super Fun Night with River Wilson. Oh, wow. And again, another one of those insane audition processes, it's a crapshoot. And then what they'll do is they'll say,

we want you to audition for this part like this. We don't want you to do it at your way, like this. Right. And there's six guys that look just like you doing it the way they've told you to do it. That's what they want. And so sometimes if you go in there and you do it your way, it can really backfire.

Because the agent will go, hey, I just got a call. from casting and he said that you were going in there and you were doing like your own stuff and it was like yeah you were like is that right you were kind of like uh you know trying to make everybody laugh and i was like this is a comedy right i was like you know you know i said you she she specifically likes it like this so you have all these weird sort of but i mean the first time before i remember i went to LA when i was 17 and i was and i was still like i was still a big drinker and like also being a child actor and coming through this this world well I used to do my deals in pubs in Soho you know that's how I got my work yeah and

then and then going to LA from this really UK drinking culture yeah totally acceptable yeah and then going to LA and I remember I got to the Sir Los Angeles no sat nav and my agent was like hey cap I can hit the ground on here our soul we've got a 10 o'clock for you in Burbank and then we go about a midday over in Venice and then we've got a one o'clock back in Studio City and then I'm looking at the map and going I was going to say they're like no more near each other I'm going I'm going listen listen listen I'm looking at the map I've got major jet lag I went and I've never I don't know how to drive here and you got to learn these lines I said listen I went tell them I'm in the

village idiot pub in West Hollywood I said unless the store meet there and he went and you got away You know, I can suggest that, but anyway, calls me back half an hour later and he goes, hey, good news. They're fine with that. They can't wait to meet you and like, you know, they want to get out of the office. It's fine. I mean, chips are really good front of mine and all these. I was at his bummets for him like, you know. Wow.

So anyway, 10. You bought the popcorn. 10 o'clock in the morning. Right, listen to this. So 10 o'clock in the morning, I'm up in a Guinness. Because I'm literally, I'm on English time. That's why. That's why I should be on English time.

And I'm an alcoholic. Yeah, that's key. And the guy turns up, the first guy turns up, and he's like, hey, hi, I'm Chip from one of the brothers. And I'm like, all right, Chip, do you want a pint? And he goes, oh, it's like 10 o'clock in the room, dude. And I'm like, yeah, but I mean, I'm on, it's eight hours ahead for me. And I'm like, check lagged and I'm just a bit disorientated.

And he's like, well, I don't want him on sociable, but, sure, let's try a Guinness. Anyway, two hours later, Oh, wow. The next guy turns up, and Chip's pissed. No. Because he's American. Like, he's pissed. He's really oversharing.

His marriage is on the rocks. And sleeping in separate rooms. And I'm just like, fucking hell, Chip. That's so sad. And then this next guy says, Doug. And he's like, it's like, Kevin? Hey, Chip. He's like, hey, Chip, how's it going?

You, okay? He's like, I know Doug. We're at Fox together for 20 years. Okay, how's barbers? Okay, I'm great. He's like, are you guys drinking? And it was like, yeah, I mean, I didn't want to be like, Kevin's here.

He's fucking funny, man. And he's like, and I'm like, do you want a pint? And he's like, I mean, it's like, it's, it's, it's, well, so you've broken chip. Yeah, but then, no. So it's time to move on to some fresh minutes. Chip, pissed. Chip's, pissed, right? And then, and then Doug, Doug goes, hey, it's Friday.

Yeah. Okay. Right. And then it, he's involved, yeah. And then it's getting like, it's now like, two o'clock in the afternoon. Wait, second. If it's supposed to be castings? Just generals.

Oh, these are generals? Just generals and they wanted to meet this English guy who's done this comedy stuff or whatever. And also, no one wants to miss anything out there. So if you come from England, they're like, oh, it could be the, you know, the next Ricketts of age. They were wrong. And anyway, so they go, so these guys turn up and then the third guy comes, and he can get involved because it's actually a good time to drink now. So now Doug and Chip are staying.

They're not leaving. Doug's so steaming. steam it. Dugs had a tactical chunder, right? That's our pissed Doug is, yeah? He's like, red face, he's like, he's like, hey, should we get some blow? You're like, absolutely fucking mangled. Tactical chunder. Was that just puking a bag and carry it up? Yeah, it looked like he's going to keel over, came out like,

okay, let's do it, okay, I'm having a heart of a pain, yeah. And then, anyway, we have a great night. We have a really good laugh. I don't remember how to get home or anything, but I, and then the phone calls 10 o'clock in the morning. He's my agent, you guys, hey, Jeff, how did last night go? I went, oh, God, brilliant. It was done in the morning. It was amazing.

It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just the Chip's wife called. Chips, she doesn't know where Chip is. Did you, is Chip with you? Is Chip with you? Okay, because Ralph's wife was also cool. Ralph's kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of, he's kind of, because the valet has impounded the car.

So it's like $2,000 to get the car out. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm still sliding drunk. I'm like, oh, that's dickheads. That's fucking brilliant. He went, okay, okay, look, you can't do that. You just can't do this here. And did it back? I mean, was there repercussions?

Because I think that I'd get you the job. I mean, I don't know. He said, he said, luckily, you happen to have four meetings with the Los Angeles' ultimate reprobates. He said, but anybody else who could have gone really bad. But he was like, you can't do that here. It isn't that sort of place. You're not in London anymore, Dorothy.

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Terms apply. Tell you on Michael Elphick. All right. So Michael Elfell picture. Okay, this is that. So Michael Elphick. Yes. The third picture, right.

So Michael Elphick was, there was a program on television called Dangerfield and it was Nigelian and it was... I remember it. I'm a vet but I was also a private detective. It's one of those like... I'm in one. What, Dangerfield? No, but I'm in a program where by day I'm a fish restaurateur,

but on the side I'm a private detective. This is it. This is it. Well, anyway, we did this program. We did this program, so this is like late, this is, no, it's 19, about 1997. Wasn't he Boone? Yeah. Michael was Boone.

That was the big one. That was the big one was Boone. And, uh, but this was kind of like Mike, you know, sort of, like, Mike, you know, sort of famously had quite a bad drink problem. And, uh, we did this, we did this show. He played my dad. He didn't know anything like me. But like he did, I played his son. And I remember we were in the Lemington Spa Hilton, right? And, um, we had a layover. And Mike went, what team just support and remember Mike had this sort of nerve damage and and he's this thing and he go right with his jaw and I go what seems you support and I said oh many nights to support you really went I thought so good tomorrow midday

man you Arsenal kick off meet me in the bar him. I mean, I'm a big fan of him. And we've got this day off. So I go meeting midday in the bar, at the Lemmys Bar Hilton, and then I get there, and I'm, I'm having a need breakfast, probably because I got drunk that before. And I went up to the bar and I said, can I have a chicken sandwich? And I remember they said it was £7.50. But in 1997, that's a fucking lot, that was a lot of money, right? And so I thought, I'll just eat the peanuts, right? They have those hairbrained ideas when you were young. And so I was like, I'm just eating peanuts. They're free. Right? Sat with Mike.

And he went, right. Right. What do you want? And I went, oh, I'll have a pint of Stella, please. And he said, right. He goes away, he comes back. And he sits down, drinks his drink. And I went, right, oh, my man.

What do you want, Mike? He went, Mike Alford's Special. Right? And I went, what's that? He went, hey no. So I went up to the bar and I was at the bar. And I said, Sorry, can I have a pint of Stella please?

And Mike Elphick Special? And the guy went, sorry, what was that? I went, sorry, Mike Elphick Special. And the guy went, oh, yeah, yeah, got this glass, a bit of ice in the glass, and he went to the vodka optic, three on the vodka optic on ice and a bottle of red rock cider, chase, right?

Oh. And that was like, I thought, fuck. We're in. That's my podium's gone. Like one round, you know, like, You wouldn't even get a chicken sandwich for seven. I wouldn't even feed myself. That's how poor I was.

Anyway, so I sat down at the table and then this is like midday, one o'clock, whatever. And then it gets to about seven or eight o'clock in the evening. Mike's been crying, as he often did when he drank. And he was like, I'm a bad, I'm a bad man, I'm a bad man. You're not a bad man, Mike. I'm not a bad man. And then I was like, right, he went, okay, I'm going for a smoke. right I'm going up for a smoke and I was like right okay he went you want to come I went

yeah and honest to God in my innocence I genuinely thought we were going to go and have a B and H in his room and talk about Boone right and we got up to his room and he starts rolling this fucking baseball bat spliff like that and he goes right that's yours oh no way and he hands me your fucking like baseball bat spliff like this. I've never had one in my life. Never had a split in my life. Hands me this thing.

And I puff it up like it's a Benson Edges bag. And I'm like, look it is, mate. When I was a kid, I remember like, and he's like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. And I literally suddenly goes, fucking Jacob's Ladder. And I go, ah. And I go, I look back on the bed like this. I go, Mike, Mike.

He goes, what? I went, I'm so ston. So stone, Mike. Oh my God. I'm sinking through the bed, Mike. And he goes, oh, you went, You better go then. And he kicks me out of his room.

I got into the lift, went downstairs. When I was in the lift, it had a mirrors in it, and I was a full lizard, right, in this lift. I had a tail and everything. I was like, out of it. Got to the concierge, and I said, listen, I'm really sorry about all this. about all this, you know, referring to the tale that didn't exist.

So, I'm really sorry about this. I said, I can't, I forgot what room I mean. I don't know my card key for my room. And she was like, it's alright, it's okay, no problem, I get your card key. And that gave me a car key. Went up to the floor that my room was on. I'm out on the third floor.

And I'm walking along and I just pass out in the hallway and I get sick and it was just peanuts. Oh, shit. I had. Just peanuts on the floor. And these, I can hear these Americans going, don't touch him. Don't touch him. Seriously. He can't bite you. Seriously. I could just hear like that they were stepping over me, right? That's all I remember, right? Then I wake up, right? It's like November, yeah? And I wake up like this. Ah, ah, ah, fucking ah, ah, and on my back feels like it's broken, right? And I sit up in these bins outside the Leamington Spa.

Oh my God. In some bins, right? How did you end up in the bins? Well, this guy is opening his car in front of me in the car park, right? Because I'm in the car park bins, right? And he goes, you know what, mate? And I went, I'll fly back. And he went, all right, drove off.

And I looked around to try and piece it together what the hell was going on. And I saw the trousers that I'd washed in the sink three days before in the hotel hanging over the third floor on a balcony. And so I reckon I'd come into my hotel room. You'd fallen off the balcony? Oh my God. Three floors of a hotel into the bins. You cut your team.

Into the only bins that were there in the whole. whole place. Jesus Christ, Kevin. Anyway, if it happened to me now, I would be dead. And so, I got a bad fall now, like, just die of pneumonia. And so I went into work the next, that day, and I saw Mike, and I said, Mike, he's talking to you about something. He was like, oh, all right, yeah, what?

What's the matter, what's the matter, what's all about? I went, Mike, you know what I left your room yesterday? I don't actually remember what happened and I got sick in the hallways. peanuts and it was a lizard and was American people were stepping over me and I just don't know what I was going to do it. Anyway, I woke up in the bins. And he went, yeah, but I was in a lot of pain. And I think I fell out of my, I think I fell out of my balcony, Mike. And he just looked at me and he went, you've been elphicked. Oh my God. You've been elphicked.

been Elvick. But you know what though? Like I'll be honest. You're living your life like that. I find it really stressful. Yeah. I mean, but that's the thing is that that was that time. I mean like you know I don't meet anybody like Mike Elphick at all anymore. They don't exist really. You wouldn't get employed now. They don't exist. Yeah but you know what the other side of that is obviously towards the end Mike had probably taken over but if someone like Mike Elvick it was such a brilliant actor. Yeah. A brilliant actor and the actor is like Oliver Reed, brilliant actor. And that and the actor is like Oliver read brilliant actors and they've have that they they have that story on their

base yeah they've got that collection of experiences within them yes but the alcoholism or the you know the addictive side or the character yeah but that when you're young and impressionable like you are in these stories the getting that kind of admiration for those brilliant actors mixed up with their lifestyle choices and it all getting a bit of a mess oh god yeah we're living in such a different now with regard to addiction and behaviour. We acknowledge addiction for what it is, whereas before it's like,

oh Michael just likes to drink, whereas now it's like, no, Michael's not well. No, Michael's not well. And he can still be a brilliant actor and not have to, you know, fuck himself up so monumentally. Well, you know what, I mean, we talk about the professionalism

and how much it's changed and stuff, but I have, obviously, I've got really close friends who are very successful and, you know, it's amazing how much of it still goes on, but it's... on but it's the culture of that but not on set and you you know right as soon as the job's done it's really destructive so I mean obviously I can talk about this stuff now because it's all past tense for me but you know there was times when did you get to a point where you were like I this is it I'm done for me what the thing

with me so I was never physically addicted to alcohol but I when I had a drink I couldn't stop couldn't go home couldn't Couldn't, never made that last train. Yeah, well, I would do that thing where I'd, you know, controlled drinking, which was like awful. And I'd go, three pints, then go home. Just have three pints, just have three points. Couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it.

Because as soon as, I'm a very sociable person as well. And so, look, I'd have those three pints. And the kind of drinker that I was, as someone could say to me, Kev, your house is on fire? And I would say, is my wife and children in there? And they go, no, they're all right. sort it out tomorrow. Right. Carry on drinking.

Yeah. Now what's lovely about my life now is that I can go out, meet my friends and I have choice. I actually have choices. Whereas I didn't understand when I was drinking that it was that was removing the choice. So like if I went and met a friend for lunch in Soho to talk about a project, we had a bottle of white wine. He would go home because he was normal. Like he would go home and see his family. But I'd bump into some other, you know, exciting person that I knew.

and he'd have a twinkle in his eye and then I would literally go home a day later but I had no intention of doing that like when I left my house it was like see you in a few hours and then I would come back the next day I'm really sorry

my phone died and that could be a once in a blue moon but for you it was not once in a blue moon I never drank at home I never drank alone I was attached to the life the fizzy kind of show busy yeah but there was something about alcohol

that I was allergic to, you know, if someone can be a celiac, or someone can be allergic to cats or horses or whatever, I am allergic to alcohol. My body doesn't process it like someone else's. So I actually used to watch my wife have a glass of wine, and she'd be sedated, she'd be relaxed. Yeah, you'd go to the other way. I'd go, where are we going?

You know, and I never associated it with unwinding. I don't know what stories you want to tell, because the Comedy Award story, was that one of the ones that knocked it on the end of the end? No, no, sadly not. No, the Comedy Awards, so the back story, what was Comedy Awards, 2008 and I think around that time. Anyway, so anyone who's ever been nominated for a Comedy Award

in comparison to BAFTA or one of those other ones, but we knew months and months and months before that we hadn't got it. Right. Because it was like that. It was like that, you know, like you'd get a call and they'd go, It hasn't gone your way, mate, because apparently so-and-so was in the room there and he reckons it's gone to a so-and-so. So we'd already heard the in-betweeners, yes, in-between his care, it's in-betweeners, they got it. Okay.

And so, so Ian Morris and Damon, who run that show, they're one of my mates. Right. Like, I mean, I think Ian Morris might have even given me my first break in comedy actually on television. And so we'd known each other for donkeys years. and we always, and as it is in our business, like we're all mates, like we are all mates. You know, there might be one or two people that you might not like that much.

Yeah, yeah. It's such a small industry. Totally, yeah. When you're sitting in that room, it looks massive on the telly, but it's a tiny room with your best mates. And you know everyone. Yeah, all your mates.

You're like, you're at your best mates. Anyway, I saw Ian beforehand. Look, we know you've won. He's, you know, no, I haven't. Bishop, no, I haven't. What makes you the Oracle? What are you known? And I went, look, you've won, all right?

Because so-and-so told us, right? And we didn't know for sure, but we pretty much knew. And so I was sat at this huge round table. And at the beginning of the night, I wasn't drunk. And this is live TV as well, by the way. They don't do so much of this. Live TV. I think you broke it being a nice show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ruined live TV for everyone. Even the news is pre-recorded now. How was it? Caroline Horner? well didn't she yeah well well well so so Julian Clary did the fisting Norman Le Mans yeah it ruined his career for a long time actually fisting Norman Lamont Barrymore climbing up the trellis and unclipping the monitor do you remember

that I mean hilarious absolutely brilliant yeah and Caroline Hearn they I mean at the comedy walls they just give you alcohol and frazzles you know like there's no real meal there's no fucking food so alcohol frazzles shit alcohol as well and you know just everything was shit And so I was sat there and I was in a bit of a, I was very drunk, full olive-read mode. And I was with my team. And then when we said, listen, when we don't win, which we know we're not going to win, let's not do the gritted teeth thing.

Yeah. I said, let's kick off, let's go mad. I went, that's fucking funny. And that's at the beginning of the night. So the seed was sown. but by the time he got to the Arawadge, which at the very end of the night, we were like, hammered.

And so they went, and the winner is, as Olivia Lee went, the in-betweeners, like that, and the camera's there. And I go, I go, and down on the camera, I'd go, fucking like that. And as the in-betweeners come along, the blessing, the lads didn't know, but Ian knew, because we've been messing around.

And I just started to throw breadsticks, and so did it every all my table. Throwing breadsticks at Ian. It's all on camera. He pelted by breadsticks. Yeah. And the audience are really laughing. You can't hear it on the cameras,

obviously, but like, it's only tiny room. All your mates are laughing at how outrageous you're being. And so then I'm throwing the brochure at them as they go up there. I'm steaming. I'm throwing a brochure up there. It's getting big laughs, really big laughs. And then I pick up this plastic bottle of pomegranate juice.

And there's a huge screen at the back, like the screen like that's got the comedy, wasn't aiming for anyone at the screen and it went boom boom boom bottom and hit the screen that's not on camera but that's where it was well out of everyone's way and then I go and it gets a big laugh and it's like oh oh it's really larry yeah pick up the second one oh Kevin and I go to throw it oh shit and Elliot Hegetty who's the my mate is a director of the star stories and Kevin Bishop show and it goes don't do another one and he got like that and I go to throw it He just grabs my arm like that as I go.

And it goes towards the stage, directly towards the stage. And as it was there, slow motion, all I could think of was, please don't hear Olivia Lee in the face. Because then I will get cancelled. And this is pre-canceled. Yeah, this is pre-cancor. Oh, my God, I'd have been, oh, I'd have been, oh, I've got to be Siberia if I don't now. And anyway, so it flies towards the stage.

And Ian Morris catches it. it's the coolest thing he's ever done in his life, by his own admission. It's just like, awakenings. And he just goes, yeah, it's actually awakenings. And he puts it out and he goes, and everyone's like, wheeh!

And then, and I remember, that wasn't all I did that night. I mean, I heckled everyone. I remember the heckling. I was full on that night. And then I was with Nick Burns and I was having a chat with Nick Burns in the bar afterwards.

And I was like, oh, it was such a funny night, isn't it? And Nick went, I said, no, really? Do you think so? Really? You think so? Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

And it was the first time it dawned on me that maybe it wasn't, maybe my perception of what it was wasn't what everyone else thought. Right. But when I saw it on the, on the, the edited version, because you can't pick up, the microphones only pick up who is talking. They don't pick up all that stuff. Yeah. It just looked, the way it was cut together, it looked like we were genuinely

and he pissed off at the in-betweeners had won. Oh, wow. And we could give a shit. But, like, it looked like we had sour grapes. God. And it wasn't that. It just wasn't that at all. I mean, you'd never get Sal Grades

were not winning a comedy award. Like, you're, they're all your mates. No, and like you said, you just, you know, it just goes to show that, an edit can be your friend or not. First time I thought, my, my, the way I like, because the thing is, I'm, at the end of the day, I've always been,

I've been a child actor, so I have, it's not like I've had to work and go to drama school and be, unemployed for 20 years and then I get work. So I've just always done this. So I've always enjoyed working. I love actors and when I see actors, it's just party time.

Yeah. You know, that's before I stopped drinking. So for me, I saw events as times to just go and let your hair down. When actually what you realise when you get older is that those are the places you don't let your hair down. But I just feel like, you know, we need like, we need that stuff because it's just, otherwise it's sort of like this pretend i don't know i mean maybe it's like sort of thing i just like i just like you like that slight anarchy yeah yeah yeah yeah well thank you brilliant

i've thoroughly enjoyed chatting to kevin but i don't think you spoke once did you no no no which is quite a feat actually for me not to get a word in yeah but it didn't feel like an interview. No, but it was thoroughly entertaining and I very much enjoyed it. But I'm going to crew tomorrow. Yeah, which will be yesterday according to this podcast. Right. Right.

So I've been to crew very well. I know that I'm not that popular in crew. Oh no. That's my main takeaway. Why are you going to crew then? Well, the date got, the date was set and there was a huge amount of of optimism and hubris attached to that. And so off I go.

Off I go to Crew. They love me in the Northwest. Oh, crew, stop it. The applause. When will it ever end? Crew, Crew. Oh, there's still a few tickets left. This is becoming the new.

Well, there are a few tickets left, but this is in the past. Okay. Just to say, I really enjoyed crew. And it did sell out because there was loads of walk-up in the year. There were loads of walk-ups. It was absolutely an unexpected amount of walk-ups actually that came. That's the phrase on the internet now, isn't it? There's a few tickets left.

How many? Yeah, how many? Last few. Hundred tickets. Are we in double figures? I'm not worried about the people that didn't turn up. I'm just very grateful to the people that bloody well did. So thank you very much.

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