Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S02 E18: Kerry Godliman (Part 1)

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

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I'm Jen Bristair and I'm Kerry Godleman. Each week we'll be taking a trip down Memory Lane with our very special guest as they bring in four photos from their lives to talk about. To check out the photos we'd be having a natter with them about, they're on the episode image and you can also see it. a little bit more clearly on our Instagram page. So have a little look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy together.

Let's start. We can even talk about how there's loads, but we're only going to pick one. Yeah, no, we're talking. We are talking about that. Look, I cannot pick. Yeah, this is talking. We haven't started.

We haven't started. Talking is starting. No, talking is not. We've discussed this. It's a flaccid opening. It's not flaccid. Fucking hell, you're not supposed to call it flaccid. No, it's a soft opening.

Soft opening, that's it. But I think I like plastic opening. Right, okay. Now we've started. We've started now. Okay. Okay, so that bit, whatever was before, we haven't started. That's going in.

Yeah, that's not, can't go in. That was just me saying have we started for about two minutes. Stop saying it. Stop saying, have we started. I thought we were going to look. Right, okay. So we're talking to you, Kerry, about your photographs. Yeah, because basically we had a guest who couldn't make it,

so now we've decided. People don't need to know all the information. It's all can. Yeah, they do. They want it. Do they? Yes, it's like behind the curtain, isn't it? All right.

Well, someone didn't turn up. It was in, and so now we're talking to me. I'm talking, Kerry's talking to herself and I'm talking with her about your photographs, Kerry, which by the way, there are some absolute bangers here of you as a little one. I didn't go into the boxes in the loft because then I don't think I'd have made it today. because once I get into looking at old photos, I disappear. Well, I like that the last message you sent after sending all of those photos was shit. I've lost it.

I'm going to bed. After you sent about like that are just in my phone. No, you sent me about 15 photos of which we only need five. Yeah. I can't cope with it. Initially, I just thought I'll send you some funny photos with a couple of little stories. And then you went. And then I get caught up in...

In the nostalgia of it. Yeah. And the, like, the narcissism of my biography, where I'm like, oh, I was born in 1973. It was a winter's nut. I can't get my... I can't get my shoes on and get out the door because I'm just absorbed in nostalgia.

I want to first go to this picture of you. Look, we're going to... Because these are all of you as a little one. Some of them are as a little one. And then some of the most little one. to the jobs and more over the last few years. Oh yeah yeah but let's look at these ones when you're small

first so we've got one of you here and you're in a yellow swimming costume you've got lovely sun hat on Kerry I mean it screams the 1970s you're very cute weren't you when you were kids I think I was babe I think you were I was cute you look at you a little cheeky face and where was that that looks very British to me

I don't know off the top of my head but I'd speculate it's dorset or somewhere like that classic English holiday so is that what you When you were a youngster, is that what you did with the family? You went, did you, we did a lot of, we did a lot of holidays. Camping, no, we didn't do camping. We stayed in shallets and in caravans. You know, like if you go to Butlins, pre-fab.

No, we didn't do any of that. We went camping. We went proper camping. So I kind of think, well, fair enough. I mean, I'm sort of coming around. Yeah, I mean, that's really hard. But they're so cheap, they're cheap holidays. and then, you know, you get...

But you still love camping. It's not like you've lost... I think Chloe's the same. She loves camping and there is a nostalgia. It must be childhood. Yeah, it's like, she goes, oh, it just really reminds me when I was a kid and we used to go to the new forest

and I'm like, it sounds horrific. Especially when she showed me the side of the tent they stayed in. Yes, you look very happy. Yeah. You look really happy. We used to have a lot of really good holidays when I was a kid. I think when I was little... Did your mum enjoy them?

Yeah, she loved them. Did she? Yeah. I've spoken to her about it since and she did. And now I feel like I'm constantly trying to recreate. So for my children, I'm obsessed with holidays. I go mad when I'm booking a holiday. You know, because I've looped you in on it.

Yeah. I get really into it and I'm sure that a bit of it is trying to recreate my childhood. Because I did have really lovely holidays as a kid. Yeah. I could do a whole episode of this. Just on your holidays. Just holidays. That's a different podcast, Kay.

Yeah. And then I could do one on worky sort of pictures. And then I could do one on family picture. I can't pin my life down to four photos. Do you know what this podcast is? You are one of the hosts. Now I feel really bad that we ask people to do this. It's hard.

It is hard, which is why we just say, keep it vague, mate. Keep it general. Yeah, I'm not good at that. You've not gone very specific. I've gone mad. I've gone mad. I have got a lot of time on my hands at the moment. I know.

I'm beginning to wish you had a job now. Maybe if you had less time, we'd have less photos. I do have a lot of free time so I did have a lot of opportunity to look at these pictures so yes my childhood was in the 70s that's probably in Dorset

and all my childhood pictures scream of the 70s they've got that you've got that tone for that now don't you well all of them all of the pictures have that kind of 70s sheen to it where it's sort of like

everything looks a little bit faded and sort of CEPIA It's got a tinge that yeah you could definitely put on Instagram now and you've got it, you've created it naturally. Yeah, totally.

So I quite like the aesthetic of, like, I know we're not going to do all of them. No, for the love of Christ. I do quite like that I had a slightly, that one you liked me in the green dungarees. I had a slightly bohemian-y, like my mum and dad were a bit hippie-ish. So things like that I quite like. I quite like it that clearly my enthusiasm for gardening is evident from my childhood. I was just looking at that one of me in a Spanish dress and there's like loads of really orderly leaks growing in the background.

Oh yeah. And I'm like, oh, I think some of my enthusiasms can be found in these pictures. Well, I mean, you have very specific hobbies that you love. One of them is holidays. And one of them is gardening. Gardening, camping. And camping. And we can see all of those in each of these photographs.

And I love that in, I think at least three of them, you've got your wet. In fact, in all of them, you're wearing a beaded necklace. What's that about? I've still got that beaded necklace. Did your mum just like to put you in choking? Oh yeah, you're right. I have got the same little, I wear that now and then as an ankle chain now. Do you?

Yeah, it still goes around my ankle. Where's it from? Why did your mom? I don't know, like I said, my mum was a bit of a hippie. She used to have a stall up Portobella Road when I was little. And I just had a lot of retro, me and that Spanish dress, that's probably literally a vintage. Spanish dress. I mean like I just had she always had beads and necklaces and like sort of chunky jewellery and oh that shirt I'm wearing with those dungarees is probably a 1940s shirt it looks it. I just always had that sort of gear.

Well you look like you had I mean so you got that hair do as well. Where did you go? You got the bangs. Where'd you grow up? I grew up in Greenford in the borough of Ealing. So that's West London. Yeah, West London. End of the same. line. Do your parents still sort of live around that? They still live in the same house that I grew up in. That's mad. That my mum has relentlessly slagged off. I mean, apologies to anyone listening from Greenford, but it's not great. It's not a great place. And my mum has always hated it and she still lives there. She still lives there.

Why don't your parents move? They can move. They are aware of it. That's the million dollar question, isn't it? My dad won't move. My dad's from North Alt, which is one stop along on the central line. So he's already moved. He's done his big move. He's done a big move already. He can't move twice in a lifetime. Yeah. That's a lot, actually.

Yeah, he did it. It was huge. He went one stop. I'm sure he didn't carry all these gear one stop. And I used to do that same journey one stop. Back to Northolt to go to my secondary school, Northolt High. Oh, did you? Yeah.

It's so weird, like, because I grew up also in the suburbs. Yeah, you're Kingston, aren't you? Yeah, I'm Kingston. But because we didn't have that connection, like we got, you know, if you get the train to Waterloo, we went on a tube. I think it's a different kind of. the vibe of the end of the tube line. Yeah, there's a definite distinct, because I was thinking

about this the other day, because I remember getting the tube to school and we used to look at the tube, and it was like this access to the world. Yeah. And I remember looking at the other end of the central line and thinking, oh, what goes on in Ongar? What does go on in Ongar? I don't even know if the central line goes to Ongar anymore.

Someone wants told me it's in Essex. But it used to sort of think... It does go all the way to Essex, Woodford and around that Epping. Yeah, it used to go. all the way to Ongar. And I used to sort of imagine, what if I just stayed on this train

and went all the way? You were dreaming big. I was dreaming big. I would have said, stop at Tottenham Court Road and get off. Yeah, no, get off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's better than the one big thing?

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All of these are like really cute and there's a picture. There's a couple of pictures here where you're with your mum and your brother who I have met a couple of times at Glastonbury Festival. Yeah, you hung out with my brother. And were you and your brother close? Not massively so. Like we're quite a big gap. This is quite a big gap. Yeah, we're six year age gap.

Is it six? Yeah, it's quite big, isn't it? We're close. We sort of got closer as we've become adults. But as we were kids, when we were kids, Oh, six is too big. It's too big. Like, we were never at the same school at the same time.

No, not even, we didn't even go to the same secondary schools. No, I didn't go to the same secondary schools with my brothers because they went to a grammar school. Right. Right. To a convent, all-girls school. Wow. Yeah, I know. Well, that's another podcast.

But, yeah, that's a podcast in itself. See, I went to a comprehensive school in Northol and it was the same school that used to be my dad's secondary modern and uncle and aunt's grammar. So they combined the old grammar. Absolutely kept it in the family. This whole staying in West London. I mean, that is what people sort of did for hundreds of years. They just stayed in their back.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I wouldn't want to live in Greenford now. I wouldn't want to live over that side now. I know there's something about once you leave, and I really felt this once I left Kingston. I was like, I can't go back. No. I've left.

The Kingston's quite nice, but yeah, you all want to go back. My mum had a stall at Portobella, and my dad worked up at Portobella Road. You could have moved that way. They tried. They looked at it. That's where my dad grew up. But they didn't have any money.

They didn't have that sort of money. But that's where my dad's from. His whole family, from Westbourne Park, Paddington. That whole patch is lovely. My mum would have gone in a blink. She would have gone and fully lived that bohemian lifestyle. Your mum would have been happy in a flat in nothing. But my dad wouldn't go.

And they couldn't quite afford it. They weren't quite in that sort of price bracket. No one is. No, certainly not now. No one is in that price bracket. But I did used to love being up Portobella Road when I was a kid. It was a very vivid memory of being like sat on her store. She used to sell secondhand clothes.

I was going to ask what your mom said. Yeah, she used to sell secondhand vintagey clothes. They didn't call, they called them secondhand then. All these phrases like vintage pre-loved. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they weren't used. It was second-hand. Second-hand clothes.

She had loads of 40s and 50s gear. They used to be a record shop down the end of the, because it was one of those old arcades and there was a bloke who sold old, like, vinyl records at the end. So the music is quite vivid. In fact, that whole area, the music is very vivid. The music in that part of London is always, for me, sort of like a mixture of kind of like reggae. A lot of reggae,

a lot of reggae, sort of carnival patch. And weirdly, like, I always associate the clash with that area as well. Yeah. I remember loving it as a kid. And I do feel like... If you go there now, it's nothing like. It doesn't, it doesn't... Like, when I go to Notting Hill now,

because I, we used to go to Nottie. The Markey's still got a good vibe. I still now and then go to Port Bella. But it doesn't feel. it was so hectic back then and it was all mishmashed and we still quite like it that market under the west way is really good we used to go that way because there was a spanish um shop yeah and we used to my mom would go there to buy all the stuff that she can't get because you know where we lived there was nowhere to buy all that stuff so we would go there and my mom would like buy all of her like Spanish stuff you know you know like whatever it was

she used to buy like tins of squid and I don't know like sugared almonds and all the kind of treats and stuff that my mom. Taste of home. So that's why we would go up. You know, not that often, maybe once every three months or something. Did you ever go to Carnable? Not when we, not when we were kids, because I think my mum was like, it's just too hectic. So I didn't go until I was an adult until I was like in my 20s. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was fun there. I've only been a few times, but except if you need the toilet and then it becomes. The one time it works for me, Carnibal. Well, you know when things come together. A friend happened to be renting a flat on the route. Oh, well then that's, And I'm never going to get that back.

That was the one time I could enjoy it because I could piss. Yeah. All I want from a carnival I've realised is a beer and access to a toilet. Yeah. And if you can't give me, if one or the other isn't available, access to a toilet but no beer, again, it's not the same. I won't be coming back in. But my dad works then in a shop because my dad's a violin maker and restorer.

Do you know what? I don't think I've ever known what you're. father does. So your dad is a violin maker? Oh my god, Kerry, that is so niche. It's like something from a fairy tale. What do you mean? Okay, so the story of my dad, because it is funny. But there's no pictures of your dad here. No, I don't know why. I'll bring one in next time. I've got some lovely pictures of my dad. He left school at 16, went straight into an apprenticeship that happened to be making violins. Was that something that he was like, oh, yeah. No, he could have easily gone to become an electrician or a plumber. He just went for that apprenticeship.

I can see your dad is very much a one root kind of guy. Well, he just left school, that's what they did. It was like that sort of boom age. I don't know what year it would have been. And he just got an apprenticeship. And that's, I mean, as it happens, I think he was. He must have enjoyed it. He was quite attracted to, it's called a Luthian violin maker.

How many violin makers are there in the world? And it's not like, I think some musical instruments, you can just make them with machines, obviously in the 20th century, but they are still the ones that are made by hand. Violins are? Yeah. I think you can make. make them mass produced by a machine, but they're preferred, you know, proper musicians prefer a handmade instrument.

Oh, wow. So it wasn't like we were rich on it, but he had a good job and he did a proper apprenticeship for a firm. So who did he work for? He worked for a company, I think they were called Cranston's. Or maybe that came later. I don't know about violins. I've just asked you a question.

Oh, God, that's going to drive me mad because the building is still there in Hamwell where he trained. It's gone out of my head. But anyway, he did it from the age of 16 and then they did. trained him up and then he worked there for some years and then him and a few colleagues set up their own company and that's when they had the shop so that must feel that's like a formative part of your that area is a formative part of you yeah on a Saturday yeah on a Saturday that was quite a big problem like I would have gone every Saturday with my mum to the store do you still do you take the kids

really now and then but we don't I don't know anyone over that patch no I know but there's something and then when I was a bit older my dad went self-employed and so through most of from about the age of when I I don't know, about 10. My dad worked from home. He just always worked in the garage. Before it was a thing, working from home. Before COVID? Yeah.

Before working from home was a thing. My dad was in the shed. That must have done your mum's head in. Oh, no, she loved it because it meant she could go out and do what she wanted to do. My dad was at home. Oh. My dad was like doing school, you know, all the drops and picks and teens. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, my mum's around as well. But I was never scared of this life. we have this self-employed life. No, my dad was... Yeah, my dad was self-employed, so I always feel like, always worked on, he was a contractor, so we always worked on a contract. What did your dad do? Structural engineering.

That's a proper job. And did that from school. Same generation, they got proper apprenticeships. Yeah. You got a trade, Jen. I mean, yeah, I mean, we can't go into what my dad, what my dad does, because he's such a wily bloke, but, yeah, he, that is a... That's one called.

Dads. Wiley Dads. Wiley dads. Yeah. In fact, that's that's 22 years in therapy. But his, his, his, his, uh, apprenticeship was draftsman. And then that was the first stage into structural engineering. And then you could stay as a draftsman. You didn't need to move up. That was, that's a legitimate, but he wanted to make more money and he wanted to, you know, be able to have, um, more choices in terms of, because my dad never wanted to work from one firm. He wanted to be able to go, I work here for a bit. Then I work here for a bit. that I work here from here. Which now is completely normal. Absolutely, but was completely not normal back then. It was normal that you got a job,

you stayed at the job and you stayed there until you retired. Yeah. But he was like, nah, don't want to do that. I want to work here. Want to work there? I want to be a little bit of cheeky thing. Which I totally did. Yeah. So that's what he did. And so he was always, one of the things I always got for my dad was like

you don't have to work for anyone. You can always work for yourself. But look at what we do now. There's got to be something in... All of my brothers are... All of the jobs. No, we're all, none of us have ever had permanent jobs. See, I think there must be something in that. Like, I just was always, I saw how my mum and dad worked,

and they were both always freelancers. The one time my mum had a job job, she worked for Bentles in Ealing Broadway. And then they sacked her because she wouldn't wear flesh-coloured tights. And she'd argue the toss with them about what colour flesh they didn't specify. That's so true. You had to wear flesh colour ties. And she was like, well, you didn't say what colour flesh.

And they were like, don't be facetious. She got laid off. I love it. No, your mum wasn't meant to have a boss. She wasn't meant to have a boss. She can't have a boss. She can't have a boss. Or be told to do anything, frankly.

Yeah. Fair play. So, yeah, that was the only time that my mum had to sort of, I mean, I think she had jobs over the years. But my mum and dad were both freelancers. And they always worked for themselves. By the seven-time world's best leisure airline champions,

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Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region. See app for details. Okay, well we're looking at this photograph of you in, what the hell are you wearing? Right, I'm in Svalbard, which is in Norway. It's an island more northerly than Norway. Wow. It's like the most northerly, it's the most northerly inhabited part of the world.

What, what, because you were there for a film. Yeah, what was the show that you were filming? So I was filming a thing called Treadstone, which was like a spin-off from the Bourne films. Treadstone. Didn't you have to go to, I thought you had to go to Budapest for that for some reason. Yeah, I did. I was in Budapest loads. And then we had a couple of scenes that were set in Alaska. So we were shot in Sfarbard.

And we were, I was there for literally 24 hours, flown in. There were all kinds of problems with the, I remember when we were flight, we were on a tiny little jet. And it was genuinely dangerous. And one of the other actors, who was ex-military, sort of casually said, this is bad. What do you mean? As in what?

You know, those flops. I mean, I don't know what the proper term is, but when you're on an airplane and those flat bits, they were frozen. And I think they're quite key to aerodynamics. I think they might be, yeah. And he looked out the window. Anything to do with the wings is key. Yeah, it's all key. It's all key.

And he looked out the window and just went, that's bad, that's bad. Like, would you mean, I mean, I, what? Starting to feel like you're on one of, you know, this is, like, we're not going to come back. Oh my God. What happened? happened we had to turn around and go back to so we'd been in the air we got we were circling sparbarred yeah and then they went we can't land because of these flaps because of these frozen flaps okay so we had to go back to Norway to the mainland right okay um where were you flying from

in Norway some northerly part I don't know not Oslo we were north we were somewhere else you'd have be yeah it was chaos it was a really chaotic thing but it was also quite exciting like things like quite like I didn't genuinely think we were going to crash. I just felt like it was fine. It was quite an adventure. But anyway, do you remember years ago when you did my radio show and we did a sketch, you did a sketch where you played an Australian paddy instructor?

Yeah. So I've always had this sort of slight fascination with when you're in a situation where people, so people go to Svalbard for pleasure, right? Yeah, sure. There's tourism there. I bet. But basically it's fucking dangerous.

So I'm dressed up. I'm dressed up like that because the temperature is so cold. Cold. That they say if you get your hand out to do something, your hand might fall off. And that if you go outside a certain part of the... Why are they filming it there? Can't they film somewhere with ice and just go and pretend it's cold?

Exactly. It was mad. And they said, don't go out of this particular vicinity. And if you do take a gun. If you do take a gun? Yeah, because there's like polar bears walking about. So, you know when you're like being cold that something's fun? Like that paddy thing when they were trying to describe like getting the bends and I'm like, I'm on holiday and they're talking about like bleed on the brain. And then I just find this circumstances quite funny where you're like, I'm not how.

I mean, there's peril. This is genuine jeopardy. And also I'm just here to do a little bit of acting. I think a nice time or just film a scene. Yeah. What are you talking about a gun? Also, but the best one of the. the word, Kerry. You can't move in this.

I couldn't know. If something's coming for you, you're not going anywhere. What are you going to do? Roll over, roll away from it. I mean, that is what I was told to wear. That's not me dressing up for laughs. I was put in that gear and told... It does look really beautiful. There's something about the light there. Oh, it was really, really was beautiful. That is quite... I mean, those sort of places that... I don't... I mean, I've never thought of anything is quite as extreme.

You'd never go? No, no. Unless in this circumstance for work. but they do look quite sort of breathtaking and magical, don't they? It really was. I'm glad I was only there a day. I don't think I'd have wanted or needed to be there. But how about this for Bleak?

They've got a seed vault there. Yes, I've heard about this in case of Armageddon. Yes. So every seed of every plant all over the world. And it's kept there because the temperature is cold enough. Yeah. In theory to reboot agriculture. Oh my god. That is one of the bleakest things. I mean I'm glad it's there because God knows we're

heading that way but that is BLEA K. Yeah. That's bleak by the way. Yeah. Wow. Anyway I just thought I'd tell you. I thought that picture would be able to absolutely. Good to end on a high. Well there were other options but I just thought that picture was amusing. It is amusing and do you know what? I mean like we're circumstances of we've done for 70 childhood to Armageddon. Wow. We've missed quite a lot of photographs in between and in between that Kerry became a stand-up comedian. And actor, the end. I've treated this as an opportunity to just do a

lucky dip of various pictures. So if and when we take we can do another lucky dip for when another one of these. We can do another lucky dip for when another guest doesn't turn out. Oh we've done we did do an episode with you but I'm sure you've done it. We've done me. There's nothing else to say. Come on, don't be ridiculous. No, we've really milked it. In fact, fuck the guest. Let's just keep going with this shit. Anyway, this has been fun. Let's do it again, Kerry.

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