Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S03 E15: Sara Barron

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

"When you say you see my mothers face it's because she looks wrecked..." This week we have the fabulous Sara Barron on to talk about her dancing days, her thoughts and dreams, her sweaty nature and her relationship with her brother. Photo 01 - Me and my mum (and dad) Photo 02 - Me and my mum Photo 03 - Me and my mum Photo 04 - My hopes and dreams Photo 05 - Me and my brother PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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on our Instagram page. So have a little look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy together. I'm just worried about how much you've rubbed your eyes there. Have you got eye drops? I've been told off before for rubbing my eyes, but I quite like it. Yeah, but I have. I went to the opticians and they were like, stop it.

Stop rubbing your eyes. Really? And basically said, do you rub your eyes? And I said, yes. And the optician said, you must stop. In fact, I don't know why say he? My optician is a she. Why did they say that?

Because I'm scratching my corneas. She goes, I can see the scratches. I said, oh, well, well, will they go away? She said, no, they're permanent. Have you engineered this conversation around to eyesight just because of your corporate sponsorship? Maybe. Fucking hell. I don't know who you are. I have been in a very...

You're starting to change your whole nature because of your corporate sponsorship. Listen, I've been involved in some very heavy-duty conversations about presbyopia, which we should all be aware of as people of a certain age. Oh my God, you are literally now doing an advert. What? No, I'm not. I'm just very concerned about our listeners who I know, predominantly are over the age of 40. You might want to go to the opticians and get it, test, get them tested. I've been doing this all morning and I've really got to snap out of it.

We've got to snap out of it. Snap out of it. Talk about something else. Talk about something else. I can't help it. I take work with me wherever I go. Yeah. No.

Because you commit, don't you fully? I'm very focused. If I was an actor, I'd be method. Yeah. Like you'd be Daniel Day Lewis, wouldn't you like cobbler and all that? Oh, yeah. I would really go deep. Name a part and I'll tell you what I'd do for it.

Anything. A fictional part. Something that's not obviously fictional, but something that might not even exist. Just give me a character. Okay, a chimney sweep. I would have to go up a chimney. I'd have to go up a chimney.

There's little else you can do as a chimney sweep though, isn't? I would have to go up one. Other than go up a chimney, I don't know what else you do. I don't know what else I'd do either. I could sing, Jim Chimony. Oh, this isn't recording and this is all really. good, oh hang on, it's going to be that problem again. Okay, okay.

We've been here before, guys. Can you imagine if we've got all the way through that record and I said it wasn't recording? Can you imagine? Yes, I can because you've done that so many times before. Right. Look, I was trying to really, I was trying to go a method there, but. There we go.

You could be tech support. That could be your part, your job. Tech support. I'm already method tech support. I've been doing that for about six months now. I know. I was going to talk about certain stuff

and let's let that bit go now. You're in Whitstable. That's nice, isn't it? Well, I'm in Totham in the main but yeah, I mean in the fictional world I'm in Whitstable but we film a lot of it in the studio in Totland. But yeah, okay, for the world of

make-believe, I'm in Whitstable, sure. And I'm a private detective. I mean, it is fiction and it's good to to remember that, isn't it? Yeah. I went to method there and thought, oh, Kerry lives in Whitstable. She owns a fish restaurant. She's a detective.

Yeah. She's a private detective. She's constantly shucking oysters. You're not. But you can shuck an oyster. And that's good to know. Yeah, I can if the part demands. I haven't been doing anything, Kerry, of any interest.

Apart from the fact I went to Paris. Did I tell you about that? Oh, well, that sounds interesting. I went to Paris, Kerry, and I, two days in, and we were only there for three days, I thought I was Parisian. I really, really didn't. What gave you that impression? I was walking around with a Breton.

t-shirt and a baguette under my arm singing frerezacca yeah that's what the prussians do that is what phreira jac they're all doing it the thing about travel is um it's lovely it's lovely travel isn't it but it yeah but it does involve um traveling traveling yeah i hate that i hate that about travel yeah like i we've talked about about this before so forgive me if I've become a repetitive old lady you know when you have to do those faces when someone's telling you an anecdote for the fifth time and you're like oh god she's going to tell me that story again um i'm i'm gonna my doing it now my face is blank no no my face is blank because i as yet i don't know what this anecdote where it's about australia and my my

sort of loose uh notion that i might never go well i have said that i mean we haven't no not that you'll never go. No, I think I might never go. Well, let me never say never. I just said it. Oh, did you? Yeah, I said I think I might never go. I said it. In fact, you said it more than once. In fact, you don't say this. I'm never going to go. You are saying it. Yeah, so you've said it. I'm saying it. Oh, wow. It's really far away. It is far. It's a day away. It is a day away. Yeah, you lose a whole day. That's true. And not in a comfortable way. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. new, no, no. In a thrombosis way where you walk out for the airplane and you think,

why is my leg this fat? Yeah, yeah. That way, yeah. You've got to move around. I, look, I'm going as you know. I know you are and you try to get me to go with you and I shut it down. Try, you shut it down. And if someone wants to pay for me to go business class, sure, I'll go.

Yeah. Which is what happened to New Orleans. I went business class, you see. So I got to lie flat. Flat. Have you ever done that? Have you ever done business class? No.

Well, I highly recommend it if you can get someone else to pay for it. Well, I, that's, I, you know, no, but I'm hoping in the future, yes. Yeah. But as yet, no, I've only ever flown economy. Yeah. And do you know what? I, the most luxurious I have flown in an airline is when you sit at the front of the, where you've got to open the door and they go, you'll have to open the door if we have a thing.

And I'm like, well, I can't imagine a situation where, yes. Yeah. And they're like, are you able to take this response? And I'm like, make, make, yeah, whatever, I don't care. Yeah, leg room, yeah. Yeah, well, I'll do. If that is the classiest form of air travel you've had, business class would blow your mind.

Would it? Yeah. Yeah. Blow your mind. You get a blanket. I've got a blanket. No, I know, but they give you one. They give you one.

They give you a blanket. You don't have to find it underneath something. It's always tucked away, isn't it? Where is the blanket? They, like, it's in a little zippy thing. And then you get it. get eye patches and earplugs. Ear plugs, wow.

You don't. What's the food like? Is it better? Yeah, maybe it is. It is better. It's on a proper plate. Wow. You get food on an actual plate,

not in one of those plastic trays where you get chicken with gravy and you have to peel the gravy off. It's like a jelly. About one of those peel off face masks. And they give you three grapes and you're like, is that pudding? No, it's better.

than that. Better than a raspberry yoghurt where you're like, I don't, I don't think there were any raspberries involved in the making

of this yoghurt. No, it's, it's a wonderful thing. Mainly not the food. It's the lying flat. It's the lying flat. Oh, wow. I'd love to lie flat

on a 22-hour journey. But, yeah. What will you do then for that journey? What will you do? I will probably take a dictionary with me of a different language

and just learn every word as I go by the Okay well okay Start with a nanosecond I thought you were serious I'll be watching films and getting drunk That's what I always do Oh right

Okay self-medicating Have you ever taken a sleeping pill And knocked yourself out I have And how did that go? Can highly not recommend doing that Oh really why Because you don't move

And then you wake up No it isn't when you're on an aeroplane In a steel tube that is with air pressure which is trapped and I don't know what's going on but you wake up and everything's swollen because you haven't moved for like 12 hours but you slept oh yeah you slept yeah yeah yeah but uh you probably have some sort of blood clot um trapped swimming around your body what about valian what about valian thoughts that's the one i took babe yeah see i did valium once on a on a very long coach journey across india and i thought it was me too oh i did on that

I did on that coach journey. Yeah, it was 17 hours. Yeah. We hit another vehicle. I didn't wake up. Yeah, there we are. I woke up and women were crying in distress. I woke up and went, oh, are we here?

And they were like, you didn't, what, you slept through? Wow. A wheel came off apparently. Now, I mean, one could argue that it's best to sleep through that. Yes, I do sort of remember, and I couldn't remember if I was hallucinating it, my head hit the ceiling of the bus. I know, you want to wake up with a head injury, ideally. I don't know.

I think I had a mild concussion. So what we're saying, there's pros and cons with Valium. Yes, and I certainly don't want to be on this podcast, like advocating any kind of sort of extra. No, sure. I mean, not with daily day, day to day life, but if you do need to just lower your consciousness for a very long space of time,

for a quite uncomfortable journey, what are your thoughts? Don't. Well, you do you. Maybe take half a valium. Don't take a whole one. Maybe that's where I went wrong. Take half so you have a proper snooze

but you're not completely out of your face. Okay. And yeah. But ultimately, the other thing when you're doing a really long haul flight to Australia is, yes, often you have to get off the plane after seven hours. And you want to be awake for that.

And then you've got to get back on another plane and then you're going to fly another thing. So if you're going to do that, wait for the second half. You don't want to be off your chops getting off at, you know, Dubai. I don't think they're into that. No. Right. Okay.

Well, I'm glad we had this chat. No, I think it's important to have this. This feels like a public service announcement that we have just communicated to our listeners. If you are going to take a form of barbiturate on an aeroplane, wait to the second half of the flight. Don't do it in the first. And only do a cheeky heart.

A cheeky half. Don't do a whole one. And let it wait. Don't do a half and go these drugs aren't working. And don't rub your eyes. When you wake up, don't rub your eyes. No. You won't be rubbing anything when you've taken it.

You'll just be drooling in the corner. I wonder if air flight attendants walking up and down are going, uh-uh, see what they've done. Oh, that one with the spit bubbles, done half a chap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. She should have done a half. That one with a swollen card.

Fuck it. She hasn't moved for seven hours. Someone needs to wake her up because I don't think anyone's thigh should be that fat. She's sitting in a puddle of piss. Yeah. That's the other thing. Oh my God. I'm going to have to get, well, half a valium and a tenor.

That's what you need. Oh, wow. This is really turning into a public surface. Well, I think these are, you can't. We're not young anymore. No. No shit. You're not young anymore.

This is what I mean about not going to. Australia. I don't feel that I need to go anymore. You don't. Lovely beaches though. Yeah, but I mean, get nice beaches in Greece. You do. This is true. Who are we talking to this week, Jen? This week we are talking to the fabulous comedian, podcaster, actor, writer, all round. Dancer, dancer, dancer. For heaven's sake, I can't believe I left that out. It's Soroni Barone, otherwise known as Sarah Barron. And we had such a great chat with Sarah. We did, although the sound quality is not great.

No, we had some technical issues. Well, I'll definitely say that. But she was brilliant. Yes, she was absolutely fantastic. And please tune in right now with your ears and listen to our chat with Sarah Barron. Sarah, thank you for making it here. Thank you for having me here.

What a joy to see your face as always. I mean, an absolute privilege. Privilege for me, thank you. And also, I ought to say, full disclosure, I contacted Sarah probably five to six minutes before the podcast and said, hi, Sarah, have you got your photographs, neglecting, well, completely forgetting that I had actually not told Sarah to provide a single photograph. Jesus Christ, Jen.

Don't leave admin up to me. Look, this is... If you say, do you want to be on our podcast, people go, oh, sure, what is it? And you go, photos. You need four photos. That's it. Yeah.

As it turns out, I am someone who has old photos, like, very readily available. Brilliant. And so I went, I went... I think I needed five minutes and I did it. I'm, like, extremely good at remembering where things are. That's my, you know, it can be a bar that I went to 20 years ago and it can be wait, wait, wait, dig deep.

Where is that thing? And both of those things I excel at. Under pressure, I excel. Wow. You do excel under pressure. And for people listening who might not know who you are, Sarah. Sarah is a brilliant stand-up comedian from Chicago. Chicago.

From Chicago. What accent is that thing? United, that's Chicago accent actually. Chicago. That's how they say it. It's, um, don't, don't, don't shoot at the messenger. This is, this is, Sarah was nodding as I said that. Yeah, she was, you were doing Midwestern.

That was right. And you came over here. How many years ago, how long have you been in the UK for Sarah? Tell us. 11 and a half. 11 and a half years. And when did you start stand up comedy? I started stand up comedy in July.

of 2014. At the age of 35... First of all... That pisses me off. Why? You can... She can dial her range down. Very quickly.

Yes, very quickly. But then I had... I've spoken to someone about this recently. This is like too depressing and raw and I'm not presenting as the winner that I want to be. But Carrie, I had a quick, kind of like this, quick, because I started late, Carrie.

I knew who I was when I started in. You had a voice. You had a voice in stories. I had a voice. I had a voice and stories. I had lived. And then pandemic hits and oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. So now I'm like down at the bottom of the barrel again.

You're not at the bottom of the barrel. This is bullshit. So you started here? You started in the UK. It was, it's a, I started. So I did stand up for nine months in the US in 2002, from like, oh, 2 to 03. I graduated university. I was like, I thought, oh, that would be a cool.

thing to try. I did it for just shy of a year. I, and I would do like one gig a week, these US bringer shows were like, you have to bring seven friends and they, and it would ruin my week. Like it would, the anxiety and sadness and fear would just penetrate the week. And then right after I'd done the gig and for 24 hours, I could feel joy. Yeah. And then the relentless anxiety and misery would begin again like the next afternoon. I could totally relate to that. And I could totally relate to cycle. So I like started trying to write and I was very middling and I sort of did okay and but you know I just knew I don't know I could feel there was no I could just feel there would be no real upward momentum to what I was doing and I had no idea what to do with my life and then I met my husband and weirdly on our first

date he was and he was English. He was like you're a stand up and I was like that's so weird that you say that. I did it for six months, like, whatever it would have been at that point, you know, seven years ago. And so he did that like began this conversation and it took about four years and then I tried it. And instantly when I tried it at 35, I was like, oh, oh, I feel nervous and I feel sick. But I understand like, I understand how to sort of move, move through those feelings. This episode is brought to you by Peloton. new era of fitness is here.

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Pretty bad movie gag. Sarah, before we go any further, I would like to now go back. Back, back, back, back, back, back, back. And look at your, that's, I like that move. I like that move. To your childhood. This photo, this is a picture of you. This is really cute of you sitting on your parents' lap.

You've got your red tights on. Oh, look at me. I had a pair of red tights when I was about your age, and I used to wear them all the time, apparently. I like it when the gusset is around the knees. That's the key. Yeah. Key little girl in tights vibe.

Do you remember your parents picking you up by your tights to just... To get the gusset in the right way? Just to hoik your gusset up. In this picture, and now, there's a young mom and a young dad, and I've met your mom. In this picture, you,

I haven't met your dad, you look... Key. I look. You look so, well, you look very cute. Very cute. But also, look. also now I'm thinking, I can see the resemblance between you and your mom now,

looking at your mom when she was younger. That's going to upset. Does that upset you? No, no, no, it isn't. What's funny to me about this picture is my mother looks, like, she's sort of like giving this, like, like, she's caught mid-glance, isn't she? But it is really giving the flavor of, like, an exhausted mother. Yeah.

And this isn't a fish. I'm just sharing my feelings. I'm not fishing for my neutral face I feel is exhausted. Like it's something about my facial structure that if I'm not really nicely lit with the perfect makeup, I look fucking wrecked. And so when you say, oh, I now see your mother's face, I'm like, oh, right, because she looks wrecked. And the true nature of my face. Absolutely. Love the way that you can take anything and twist it into some bizarre.

Although actually, I've never met anyone. Barbed comment. Yeah, no one I've ever met, no woman, let's face it, has ever said, you know what, I love my resting bitch face. It's the best of me. No. No, no, we're not designed to feel that word. I don't even know what the phrase is other than resting bitch face.

But we've all got resting bitch face. Look, I have the same circular conversations with all of my friends about various different things. And I'm sure that they have the same ones with me where they're like, I start talking and I can see it with Kerry. Often her eyes are rolling into the back of her head before I've even opened my mouth. We all do it, but please hear this and know this. You don't, I think you've got incredible bone structure. What a great, you've got cheekbones for days.

What a great mouth. You always look like you've been Botoxed from the chill up. Maybe you have, maybe you have. But you look great, you chill out. Thanks. You look like a feisty little girl, which you quite an energy, like a little firecracker. Yeah, who were you as a kid? Do you know?

I, this isn't this stuff. so interesting because all we have to go off about who we were as a kid is what our parents tell us. And I always feel about my own child, like, because I am his mother, I have simultaneously the best and the worst window into his personality. Like, I don't, so I don't, like, I think I know him, but probably the rest of the world could tell me a lot more about how he comes across to someone who didn't, like, birth him. What I have been told by my mother is my mother loves the narrative. I, was bossy. I was big. I was, you know, I spoke my mind. I was funny. I was all that sort of stuff. But is that true or is that just like she wanted to feel like her little girl was the spiciest, funniest,

biggest personality? I really don't know. But I can remember in high school a teacher saying about me and it felt like a real neutral comment that he said he described me to another teacher. And he did like a big eye movement. He went, oh, yes, Sarah, larger than life when I was like 17. And I thought, that's not, I'm not being shot on, but neither am I being compliment. Like that's just a, that's a neutral thing to say. You get a lot. You're like, oh, I must have been this kind of way at 17. But, but it's not nice, but it's not me either. So I assume there was a bigness of my personality, but, you know, can we know?

I think we can take it. Can we take it? Yeah, probably. Judging by who you are as an adult. You do look like both your parents are restraining you a bit in that. I do. There's a slight like, hold still for the photo. That's so funny.

That's so right. There really is. Yeah. It's got that kind of family limb entangled. that is very intimate and sweet. Were you close to your dad as a kid growing up? Yeah, yeah. My dad was like very, whatever dads are more now, if you're lucky,

meaning they're doing closer to 50%. My dad was like that in the 80s. So like he would always be home. Yeah, I know, it's weird. My dad was like that. He would always be. I only had a beard. What he?

Yeah, like my dad would cook at least half the meals at home and stuff like that. Yes. And you're right. It was rarer in those days. You didn't. And I, you know, I get a little bit, what do I get a little bit? I don't know. I have like a few friends who are like super tight with their dads.

And they're like, oh my God, my dad. And it's like your dad wasn't, it's like the, I'm just sure. I think I'm going to say something that I wouldn't be comfortable saying about a friend of mine. But, you know, all I will say is a very present. We all have very present moms or we don't all, but so many of us do. But not that many of us on our. age range had these like hyper present dads. And I think it, so noxious. I think it like cooks something

kind of positive into you. Like I've, I've never, I've never had an appetite for a toxic. Like my friends have these stories about these horrendous men they encounter. And I'm like, I don't know. Oh, yeah, all the guys. Is it that interesting? Real nice. Yeah, I've, I've, I've had very nice. Like, I've had guys who've hurt my feet. or dumped me or whatever, but they were like nice guy. They were just like it wasn't going to work out, you know? So he was always there. He got home from work. He's like a real creature of habit, home from work by 420. My mother worked evenings. And so my dad would like be with us from 420 until we went to bed. And he never traveled for business. So very there, very there. So very present dad,

which has led to you having a very, very lovely husband. He was a little moody when he had to help with the tech. But we, but I understand he had I'm not sure, but very present, very adorable, very empathetic, very supportive husband. You Kerry, the same, very present, dad, you have chosen well with Ben, as we've said many times on this podcast, absolutely Diamond Fellow. Me, lesbian, let's not delve into that in terms of where our fathers are. But it's a sign. I think we don't need to scratch.

We don't need to be a psychotherapist. I think that is very tenuous psychoanalysis. And yet, and yet, if we join the dots, they still fit. I don't think that's how it works. She made a choice, Kerry. She's made a choice. It's her dad's fault. She's gay.

It's her dad's fault. She's gay. Let's just put a fine point on it, shall we? Listen, you'd be surprised what an individual. influence your father can have on you. So this is a lovely photo of you and your mum. Where are you in this picture? I am right outside my high school auditorium.

I wanted very desperately to be a dancer or an actor. Those were my dreams. I was really not. I mean, to be a dancer, I mean, no, it was never going to happen. But I had just done a dance performance. Is this the piece of like, yeah, is it flashed? dance, dirty dancing, all that time? No, I'm a, I am just a hair too young for that.

Right. So this is like, that's 80s and this is like early 90s. This is Nirvana grunge is coming in. I'm wearing my Birkenstocks and my big jeans, but I put that leotard and those tights on and those dance shoes. And I dance every day after school. And this was the big recital in the huge auditorium. Wow.

And I felt. like a stock. You look like there's a lot of adrenaline going in that picture. Yeah, there is. You look buzzing. I was saying to someone the other day that I feel, I'm a very, very sweaty person. Like I just, I'm like instantly. I would have who that chat was with. It wasn't like, you know, on the street with a bus driver. No, there's this. I'm a very sweaty person. I'm a very sweaty person. No, I would think I was thinking about it. I know this like piece of shit comedy booker who like says insane shit. Like, so I got off stage. Oh, I know who that is. You get, oh, right. I mean, it could be 70,000 people. He's like,

you get so sweaty. And I'm like, are you insane? Are you insane that you would comment on it? But the point is, this is what I think. When I get off stage and I'm extremely sweaty, there's like a moment where it's too vulnerable because it's too much moisture. But then after a minute or two, I'm just very, very flushed. And I feel like I'm drained, you know? Like, it's almost like I've had like a drainage facial. and my hair looks a little bit wet in like an almost sexy way. And that's my hottest I ever look. Then I come out of that and like the hair is frizzed and the makeup is smeared and it's like a disaster.

But there's just that tiny window where I'm flushed and I'm adorable. And I wonder if this was the predecessor to that moment. You know, that was me in that moment but as a 15 year old girl. Yeah, you do. I love that your moment when you're looking at. absolutely tip-top is just, is brief. It's always very, and it's always, and also it's all, it's almost like it's on its way. So it's on a journey to looking awful.

Yeah, it is part of the downward flow, but it's the right peak, right moment in that. Got to catch you at the right point. Okay. So what happened with the dance? Because we've talked, I know we've talked about this before, but you were obsessed with being a dancer. Mm-hmm. And you used to do it all the time. and that's what you wanted to do. And actual facts, maybe you dodged a bullet

because I think a dancer's career is short. Horrible, horrible, horrible. But for that time in your life, when you're young and whatever, and it doesn't have to be about it being a life choice forever. It's just your young and dance is a wonderful thing for kids to do. I completely agree with you. But what's interesting to me is that I didn't think about it that way. And I wasn't doing it, Carrie, for it to be like a lovely fun extracurricular.

I was like, I want to go to New York and be a ballerina. I got to go all the way. And then I was like, I can't. And ballet, you're right. Ballet is really, really competitive. Isn't it a horrific thing? When you realize, you're like, oh, this isn't going to happen for me. How can this be true?

I've put all of my hopes and dreams and all of my effort and joy into this. And now I'm going to have to quit. That's a real tough pill to swallow, isn't it? When you're a teenager, what are you? 17? 17, I think. But maybe I think the way I thought of it in my head was like it's either dance or acting. And so I just went for it with the acting and that didn't work either. Even it doesn't become your job or whatever. It's just a brilliant, wonderful thing. You just look so happy in that picture. Yes. Okay. That's how I'll think of it. I think that's nice. And your mom

looks so proud of you. Okay. This is nice. Right, Sarah, what I'm seeing in here, and I think this is partly to do with the fact that I gave you zero time to get your photographs together. And I take responsibility for that. So I will shoulder part of that burden. But I still am, I can feel a criticism coming, but I'm ready for it. You keep going. You keep going. I'm ready. Keep going. There's never any criticism. It's, I don't say criticism. It's not even critique. This is merely an observation. And I'm going to take it on board as that. Is this another picture of your mum? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Am I not allowed? So it's picture number three with you and your mum. Is it number three? No, you absolutely. Yeah, it's your third one. Yeah. I just like, but actually, I didn't even realize.

Then we have to think of this as the triptych. This is the triptych of three. The triptych. But this is as it should be because there's always a rule of three in comedy, so we had to have a third one. Okay, okay. So, I mean, some of our guests don't even include their mom. So you've really made it.

Really? I mean, in little pictures. of them. Yeah, I guess why not? Do you know what I think may have happened, girls, is I think I might have pulled, I might have, I think what happened was my mother put an album together and the theme of this album may have been us through the ages, mother and daughter. And I went, oh, shit, okay, three photos. And I was like, and so I didn't even notice that she was present in all three of them, completely over my head. But yes, here she appears again. And I guess she would have been How old am I here?

I bet I'm like 12 or 13. So she would have been like about my age exactly here. But, you know, with a teenager. Okay. I bet this is my mother. Oh, those are levelers. Those are levelers, aren't they those moments where you go, wow.

I'm the age when I thought you had it sorted and I don't have it sorted. Oh, God. And the thing I love about that picture of your mum there is that when I first saw it, like, had on heart, when I first received the photographs, I didn't immediately know it was your mum. I obviously looked at it for longer. And then I saw, I thought, there is Sarah with a mate.

Yes, what I thought. If Sarah's mum's listening, I hope you'll take that as the compliment that is intended as. Dialing, I mean, she's got a face mask on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I mean, you can't tell someone's age when they're wearing a mask. Yeah.

But yeah, now I really, and she's also, she's in that sort of like. I do know it's her mom. So, I mean, if you. know someone's their mum you know that they're I'm just saying the mask singer is going to blow your mind if you've watched I think there's something slightly different between a face mask and wearing mask is a helmet in the shape of a robot or a dog or a biscuit look just go with me here okay I'm trying to look you've made it carry this is typical you is the shittest compliment this is a typical

Is she your sister in this picture when you both were in masks? I never said that. You didn't even know it was her mum, so shut up. Honestly, I don't know what. I don't know. Do you know how hard it is to work with this? It's horrible. This isn't comedy roast battle, which, by the way, you turned down.

And frankly, I think we should both go on it just to complete. Oh my God, Carrie, you two should do it. And that shows over now, though, right? But that would have been good. Yeah. It's over. Did you do it, Sarah? I did. I did.

Who did you do it with Richard Herring? What? That's a weird pairing. Yeah, I know. I was like someone, I had something to prove. So I worked on my jokes. And then I'm like terrible at improvving. So then like they were saying shit to me like, Sarah, you're so done. Or whatever they were saying. And I was just like, because I was, I couldn't think of any.

Like, Catherine Ryan said something to me about like, like there were jokes about having, that I used IVF to have a kid. fine, fine, fine. And then, so it was a... Catherine Ryan said something about being natural. And I'm like, oh, well, then the obvious thing back is something about Catherine Ryan being... And I could... I mean, it came to me two weeks later.

It was so... And she's with her eyes going, babe, I know where you're going, you need to be... She's like, she's telling me, she's going... She was teeing me up. She wanted me to do well. And I was like, ah, I need the prep.

It's lovely to be out of the house. Humiliating. Well, I already know that if there was a rose, Kerry would win, and so that's why I don't want to do it. No, I wouldn't win because what would happen.

You absolutely would. No, you would say one mean thing to me and like, Go, Jen! Oh. I'd cry. I'd cry. I'd be really upset.

And you'd be like, fucking hell, Kerry. Read the brief. I don't think either of us are equipped at that sort of thing. And also, So I go, I go, for me, I have to, it's like, these are the things we know yourself. Yeah.

Know yourself. Yeah. So you're in a room. Somebody says something. It's a joke. Yeah. But it just goes that tiny bit too far, which I've seen, it does, can go too far. They say something mean about my mom or one of my kids and I'll just literally step over and lamp them.

There's no. There's no like, oh, Jen, I think, read the brief, Bristair. I would be like, fuck you, you're going down. So I just don't think it's for me. So Sarah, talk to us about this photograph. How old are you and where are you? Okay, I'm in my... We know who you're with.

We know who I'm with. I'm in my mother's bedroom. I am wearing... I am in the fashion. I'm in a flash dance fashion. So I was at a stage where I refused to wear a t-shirt with a collar in it. So any t-shirt I got given got immediately cut and like, and I'm a very... That's what that is.

And I'm a very small breath. Sorry, there's someone in my house, so I can just, I can just, I had this vision of a, there's like a, everything's fine. But there's like a healthcare worker in our house at the moment. I just, I, the point is I just overheard myself being like, my breasts are very small. This is the problem with Zooms. This is the problem with comedy Zooms. But anyway, I am not, I am not wealthy in that way. And nowadays, as a woman of 44, I'm like very, very happy with, proud of they are aging gracefully.

They are a source of pride. However, like, whatever I was here, maybe 13, I was like, I just wanted knockers. And I just don't. Yeah. You want a nice rat. Oh, God, did I? And I think that because I didn't have that, there was something about the, then take my full shoulder. that was my way of feeling a certain kind of way

in that area of my body, I guess. You look amazing. That is a great face you're pulling there. You're like, this is my model. Oh, Carrie, this is I still, you know, my husband is annoyed with me because I, and again, it's not fishing. I'm just, we all have our things.

I don't love myself smiling. So every time I take a picture and I was starting young, you know, it's like, I need to work on that. Okay. Because of the cheap. Sarah that we talked about earlier because of the cheapones. You have to, right?

We've covered this before. Smiling pictures don't bring out the best in most of us. Kerry, show us. Show us your camera face. This is, I got photographed. Look at that. Look at that. That's on the internet, Sarah.

Sarah's phrase. Is that, Kerry, is that you? Yeah. Yeah. You're back. It's not a ghost of an old, like, witch coming out of a pie of me. It's me. That's a horrible picture of you and you're unrecognizable.

Well, it's horrific. But the problem is something you sussed out at 13, which is smiling. No, but I think... Smiling doesn't work. It's the planned smile. But are you two doing like, because your mum's doing it as well. Are you both doing like comedy model? You're like, it looks like a fun kind of, who's that girl kind of.

I think so. pulling that kind of foam model face. Or maybe this was like one of a series and my mother thought the funniest one is the one where we both look so deadpan and then there's like two or three others where we're both smiling big. Yeah, because that is a big deadpan kind of piss tape.

It's pretty good and I just think that my, oh, and the t-shirt I'm wearing is I was, I'm from a very, very Jewish community and so like the bat and bar mitzvah scene at the age of 13 was huge. Sarah, you were,

your dream wasn't over even then with that sort of off the shoulder sort of t-shirt thing that you'd created yourself. So the dream was still alive then. How old were you in this picture?

I bet I was 13. 13. 13. You're only 13. Oh Christ, I thought you're old than that. I look, I mean, maybe,

yeah, I think I was, I mean, maybe I was, no, I think I'm 13 there. Yeah, I looked very old for a long time.

maybe I still do. You know, you want to tell yourself that if you're one of those kids where everyone thinks you're older than you are, you get to a point where you're in your 40s or your 30s and that shit has shifted. No, I think sometimes young girls, I look the pictures of me at 30s.

I mean, I was sort of 13 in the 80s and I looked like an older woman. I had a perm. I had like, like, diamond sleeves. I had like, chip on earrings. I thought I looked like Crystal Carrington. And I just, I looked younger now than I did when I was 14.

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okay so wait so don't read it though stop reading it okay so I was given an assignment in some kind of like home ec class and the idea was you're writing and about the author so you have published your first book and this is what it says about you on the back of your own book And this is what I wrote, and I'd like to read it for you both now. I'd love that. Okay. Yes. Sarah Barron Clauseau was born in Highland Park, Illinois, into a close-knit traditional family with parents

Lynn and Joe and brother Sam. Educated at Highland Park Public Schools, remember public means state in America. So, like, Highland Park State Schools through her life, she left for college. college at McAllister. That was a place that I'd heard of in Minneapolis, but I thought sounded interesting. At the age of 18, after her senior year abroad in India, she studied at the Sorbonne University during which she completed graduate school. Here, she met her husband to be world-renowned ballet dancer Jacques Cluzzo.

and was married at 28. To Jacques. To Jacques. Jacques. To Jacques. After overcoming financial difficulties, the two moved to Evanston, Illinois. That's where Northwestern University is. It's like a border town.

She is now a member of the Hubbard Street Dance Company. That was a dance. Sorry, this is like more Chicago-centric than I realized. after dancing with the American ballet. She is now pregnant with her first child at the age of 32 and hopes to resume her dancing career as soon as possible. Can I just say that your producer, Joel, is having a much stronger response? Like, you two are laughing a little bit, but it's not killing you. Joel is crying.

I wanted so much on overcoming financial difficulties. Not much from Jen and Kerry, but Joel is crying because I overcame financial difficulties. I overcame them. He's moved. He's moved. He's moved. He's very moved. Now, Sarah, I want to, you know, because I want to see how many of those dreams and made it to reality.

So did. Zero. Zero. Zero. Damn. It's not a part of my life. 0% I didn't go to

McAllister I didn't study abroad in India I didn't go Is it too late for any of them to come through?

Yeah the only thing is maybe I'll overcome my financial difficulties I haven't yet but maybe I will I didn't get pregnant

at 32 I didn't get pregnant at 32 I didn't do you think like Jacques could be I didn't get pregnant at 32

I didn't get married at 28 I'm not married to a dancer. Like, Jeff is probably dyspraxic. Like, he's not diagnosed. But, like, when you watch, you know, when you watch someone's body moving and you're like, that's different, that's just a different.

Not all of those are choices. Way of moving. Can I, Sarah, can I talk about, this is completely, so we, like, I realize this is completely tangent here, but, but it is. related is that on Instagram

Jeff videos you doing karaoke when you're on holiday can I talk about this okay there'd be able to be an honor okay so I would encourage people I don't know how far back

they'd have to scroll to find this video I should pin that video maybe like no one watched it but maybe I should pin it because the world should know it because I watched it about four times and then I made my children watch I'm going to watch it. Thank you.

It's so. So now I think I understand that video even more now that we've had this conversation about your dance career and where you wanted to be and what you wanted to do. Now I go back to that. So what happens is? Can I talk about this? Yes. This is a joy. I mean, unless you're something that's going to like knock me.

But this is so far just I feel celebrated and seen. Okay. So Kerry, it's really fun. It's really fun. And also when you're watching it, you don't know why it's going to go. go. In fact, I almost feel like I shouldn't say where it's going to go because it's kind of spoil it. But basically, suffice to say, Sarah does this karaoke performance when I think they're on a, on holiday, and Jeff captures it. And the joy of Jeff capturing it is almost as joyful as the person

watching it. By the way, that was me. And you start watching it and you're like, oh God, what? Why does Jeff put this up? Where is this going to go? And then it goes, it goes. It goes in the opposite direction. And by the end, you are like, you are celebrating. Now, I feel like I've introduced an anecdote, and I haven't told the anecdote, because I kind of really want people to watch it. But I feel like now that I've heard the whole backstory

of what you wanted as a child and where you wanted to be, because there is a little bit of movement there. Like, you get a little bit of dance at the beginning. I've got some rhythm. I have some rhythm. I have tremendous rhythm. have so much rhythm. A friend of mine was like, you did a full arabesque in your stand-up set the

other day. And I went, oh, that's not good. Like, and I did, I did a full, I watched a video of myself, and as I was telling my jokes, I was almost doing like, I don't know what I was doing, but it wasn't funny. It was like, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, It was crazed. It was like, I was like, I almost, and I started getting a laugh from a rib isolation. Sarah, let's go to your final photograph, which is you, I think this is your brother. Is this your brave? Oh, my goodness.

Yes. Sorry. That is me and my brother. I think it has, I want to do include it because I think it has a very will, they, won't they, energy to it. I have been, I've been accused, I've been accused many times of want to want to. to fuck my brother. Sarah! Oh my God.

I don't want to. What's interesting to my family is that I am... This conversation has gone in a very different direction. Than you were expecting. I, my parents and I, we all go together. We're like all the same. We're neurotic. We're this, where this.

My brother has always been this sort of like handsome. The world, you know, he's 40 now with three kids. The world has had its way with him a little bit. But the handsomeness is there. And I watched my parents, like, this is sad, but I'll bring it back up. My brother's father-in-law, stay with this story. My brother's father-in-law died like a couple of months before they got married. So it was this very sad thing that the dad just missed the daughter's wedding and whatever.

And so, like, all these events kept happening. And so instead of meeting all this extended family at his wedding, he met all this extent. family at the funeral of his father-in-law to be. Okay? And so I flew in and I was there. And it's a Shiva. It's a Jewish family. So they're having a Shiva, which is like a wake and it's very, very somber. And all this extended family is meeting my brother for the first time. And my dad, because my parents' favorite thing to talk about is my brother's attractiveness. It's their favorite thing. They've toned it down a little bit because my brother looks more battered and beaten than he did 15 years ago. But at this point, my dad kept going at a Shiva. He kept going,

come here. I want you to watch people meet your brother. Watch people meet him because they cannot, no one can believe how handsome he is. Watch, watch, watch. And it was like, it was a little true, and it was like insane. And so we're all sort of obsessed with what he looks like. Like, we can't believe that this kind of like blonde bow hunk is part of our family. And so for, you know, there was a window there when we went, like, he was 24 and I was 28. And we were all like, peaking physically. And a few of my friends, we would be like, your brother's fucking hot. Why do you tell me your brother's so hot?

I'd be like, oh, shut up. I then moved to Chicago for a summer. I was there for a summer. Uh-huh. And I was at a, I was right, like everyone in Chicago, it's so flat. So everyone cycles everywhere. And I, one day, I had off from this job I had. And I was at a huge intersection.

like a huge three-way intersection. And across the way, I saw a really hot guy on a bike. And I was like, oh, hot guy on a bike. That's nice. And he looked at me. I was 28, you know? And I was like, oh, my God, he's looking at me. And I was like, oh, and it was like, what was going to happen? But it was just like a hot boy on his life. It was nearly a making me out. It nearly was. And so then the lights turned green. We cycle and we're fucking, we're not afraid. So we're like holding each other's gaze. And it gets a point we get close enough. And I was like, it's my brother. Oh, no. And we were fully, fully checking each other out. And so that I was like, wait, what? So then we pulled over and I was like, why aren't you at work? And he's a, he was

then a line cook. And he was, my brother basically, by the way, is the bear. Like, that's his whole story, Michelin. And he opened up a restaurant shop. It's very weird. And so he was like, oh, they like pulled me from the line. Why aren't you? And I was like, oh, Wednesday, I'm not working. And we're like, okay, bye. And we've, we've, like, never. And we've, like, never. And we've, we've, We, like, never spoke about it for years. And at some point, I told people, I was like, oh, my brother and I, like, try to fuck each other, but not really. And then it became a funny story that I told about when my brother and I checked each other out. And so then I brought it up finally in front of him and his wife.

And she was like, that is. And, like, this is, like, a really good impression of my sister-in-law. And, like, I love her, like, so much. It's, like, 100% on her. And she was like, I am not finding less funny. And she wasn't amused, but when I thought it was spectacular. Oh my God. Oh, my God.

That is such a funny story. You have got a brilliant podcast that you do with your husband, Mr. Jeff Lloyd. Please. I have guessed it. Give it a listen. You've been on. Carrie, I'm sure I'll harass you at some point. Is it themed or is it talking?

Is there a theme? It is a podcast. It's about watching. television. It's about trying to find TV worth watching. Right. They like to watch. But the TV, Carrie, the TV is the Trojan horse. And inside the horse is a marriage, Carrie. Do you see? So it is both. There is an intertextuality to the whole thing. Yeah. So we talk about TV. We talk about our lives. We interview, try to like interview someone fancy. Um, and talk about making television. We have, including Jen

Brister. But like we got like the lady, the showrunner of like the legend that Jen Brister this week. We had like the showrunner of True Detective. We tried to be like fancy and friends and the whole thing. And, um, you know. It's really good. I think I listen to it.

I listen to it. We work very, very hard and to try and and make a little tiny nuanced diamond for people to listen to. So if people don't, if people love television but our third. overfaced and don't know where to find the excellent shit, you come to us. It's like if you were going on a holiday and you were like, where on the Amalfi Coast? Should I go for the perfect? I don't want what Yelp is going to tell me, your lonely planet. I need a local person with gorgeous taste to tell me where I'm going. We are doing that, but for television. Who's been there?

We are your travel guides to help you find stuff worth your time. Well, that sounds brilliant because I do hate sort of that horrible scrolling thing when you're like, well, no. I don't know what to watch. So this sounds perfect. We say this is what it should be whilst like, you know, talking about being married. Yeah. And so you get, you're absolutely right, is a Trojan horse.

And you definitely get a two for one. And I love a two for one, Sarah, because I like a bargain. And it's really funny. And they like to watch wherever you get your podcasts, listen immediately, subscribe and enjoy. And then you can thank me later. You're welcome. Actually, maybe thanks Sarah because it's her podcast.

Thank you so much for your photos. They were brilliant. Thank you, people, for having me. It's always a pleasure to have you. You are a natural raconteur. You are a wonderful person and a brilliant comedian. And why do we have to be so successful and busy? Let's talk about that. Why do all my friends have to be so successful and busy? I celebrate your success.

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