Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S04 E02: Stuart Laws

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

"I was diagnosed as autistic last year... and loads of these arguments that I can think of were because I couldn't fathom the rules..." The brilliant producer, director and comedian Stuart Laws joins us this week and what an episode it is! There's so much gold in it! We chatted about vasectomies, autism, parenting, weddings, the boys brigade, more weddings and filming in Tblisi. Stuart is on tour now so GO AND SEE HIM NOW!!!! - https://www.stuartlaws.com/ Kerry and Jen talk about Jen's birthday, Elsie's birthday, works in progress, Chloe's amazing arms and loads more. We are also asking for you all to DM us a photo from your life and we might choose it for our special 'Listener Episode'. - Send us a photo and description and we'll do the rest! Plus... Kerry's 2025 tour is on sale now - https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/kerry-godliman-tickets/artist/1866728 PHOTO 1: Mega dessert PHOTO 2: The Boys Brigade PHOTO 3: Wedding One PHOTO 4: The Sarahs at Wedding Two PHOTO 5: Working in Tblisi PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, that's what we're doing. Okay. We're asking. So listeners, if you've got a photo you'd like us to talk about, send it in. Send it in. And we will pick the top four. We'll pick four for this particular episode because we're going to do more. And then we're going to chat about them in a future episode.

of Memory Lane, but we need you to send your photographs in, so please send them in, DM us directly at Memory Lane, so a direct message to our Instagram account, and we will go through the photographs, pick four, and discuss them on a future episode. Oh, I can't wait to see what gets sent in. My under if it'll be bad haircuts, appalling clothes, holidays, romance. I want all of it.

Please include a brief description of your photograph as well so we can talk about it. So we have some context, basically. Yeah, man. Hello. Hello and welcome to Memory Lane. I'm Jen Brister and I'm Kerry Godleman. Each week we'll be taking a trip down Memory Lane with our very special guest as they bring in four photos from their lives to talk about.

To check out the photos we'd be having a natter with them about, they're on the episode image and you can also see them a little bit more clearly on our Instagram page. So have a little look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy together. Tell me what you did last night because I went to the theatre. I went to the theatre. I'm so cultured, man. You're always going to the theatre. Well, that's true because I'm really cultured and I live in London and I just pop to the theatre.

I went to the Royal Court. God, I haven't been to the Royal Court for years. What'd you going to see? I saw a play called More Life, which was sort of about, it was sci-fi, sort of AI vibes. Yeah, I know, but you say that, but like loads of, I mean, it wasn't like Star Wars. It was. Beating me up, Scotty. Oh, no, that's Star Trek.

It was just about like a woman that basically had, she died, and then her brain got downloaded into another body in the future. And then it was about like that sort of thing. I'm so sorry. What is this? Downloading. Downloading. How are you downloading a brain?

Because it's science fiction, Jennifer. That's how science fiction works. You can't download a brain. No, you absolutely can't. But you take a concept that seems absurd. Basically, it was like modern Frankenstein. Okay. And so this brain went into a different body.

Which is also science fiction. Do you see? Yeah, okay. All right. Well, look, I don't, I don't associate Mary Shelley's Frankenstein as science fiction. Well, that is exactly what it is. It's a seminal science fiction. Is it seminal?

Okay. All right. Well, look. I'm really cultured. Yeah, I'm really picking up that vibe. And I feel chastened, even suggestion, suggesting that you shouldn't have seen it. So it's AI. A.

A. But the woman who played the day. downloaded brain inside the future woman was amazing. She was amazing. Okay. So the future woman with the downloaded brain. Yeah. I mean, there was a lot going on. I'll say this. There was a lot going on. This is going to be my 2025 resolution. Oh God. See more theater. I'll say this every year. Yeah. You do. I do. To see more theater, theater. Theater. Therter. I say theater. you say theatre and now when you say theatre it sounds more flamboyant

and sounds almost like That's me. Bangs, theatre boom Well you are I'm feeling it So I feel like That's something I could do Yeah, you've got to do it Jen

You just got to do it Because alright I know we tried it in a little WhatsApp group And we've discussed how shit you are in WhatsApp groups So you've just got to do it Either on your own or with Chloe Or with one other friend You just got to do it

You know what? I will and I love a matinee. Oh, love a matinee. I love a matinee. When I was a young person I was like, who's going to matinees? Me, I'm going to matinees. Tucked up by nine. Yeah, done by four.

Yeah. Have dinner and a drink. Have dinner in bed by nine. Yeah. Oh, what, that's the dream all around, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So that'll be me.

I'm going to be matinee my tits off this year. You wait later on in the series, later on in the year. I will be coming to you and go, you'll say to me, Jen, what have you done? and I'll go, ah, Kerry, funny you should ask, I've been to the theatre, theatre, theatre, theatre. Theatre, theatre, yeah, and you'll be, and then I'll be recommending, yeah, you'll be impressed, and then I'll be recommending things to you.

Not now, because I haven't seen anything, later. I'm excited for, I'm excited for future me. Yeah, future you is going to have a really rocking good time. Oh my God, future Jen. Future Jen is so cool. I'm so excited for Future Jen. I don't think I've ever seen you. so happy. I'm just imagining future Jen's life. It's looking really fun. Present Jen's life's

a bit boring. But future Jen's life, wow. It's going to be theatre, dinners, drinks, sociable gatherings and engaging in WhatsApp groups with gifts. Right. Okay. Well, I look forward to this, Jen. Can't wait to meet her. She'll, she's going to be a lot of fun. You will. So that's what I did. I did. I did that and what else have I been doing? Oh, I enjoyed your party. I enjoyed your party. That was good fun. Oh, what a laugh? I think I did.

You weren't sure. To be honest, I tell you what was the, I was, let's start again. The best, the weirdest thing about the party, I'll speak English in a minute and then you'll understand me. I didn't drink. What? I didn't drink at all.

You might have seen me with a drink, but I did not drink it. No. Obviously, or just because you were. so busy and excited. I couldn't. Every time I took a sip of a drink, I went, no thanks. Because you were so nervous. Yeah, my adrenaline was so high. And every time I was like, okay, I feel a bit more relaxed. And I'd see someone else coming in through the door, I'd be like, I gotta go and say hi to them. That the whole evening was me just bobbing about

saying hello to people. I think I had a lot of really intense three minute conversations with. Well, well done. That is good. And it's good because it sounds like you didn't need to anyway, because you were sort of good. I really didn't. I had a boogie. Yeah, I saw, you dancing. I had a dance. I had lots of good dances. I danced with Rosie Jones. She was good fun. She mimed every song. She mimed every song. She does. Yeah. Yeah. She's good at miming. Yeah. She goes full Marcel Marceau halfway through the night. You're like, I'm okay with these lyrics. I don't need them to be mined out. No, she needs to action them out. She's got to show you exactly what she's talking about. There's lots of things going on there. I mean, it's fine with

Abba, because we know where we are. But then there is some more obscure numbers and I'm like, what's she going to do with this? I know. It's actually a sight to behold. Pass the Dutchie on the left-hand side Where are we going? Yeah, well, we're going left. Left, actually. She was good fun. Susie Ruffle was good fun, good dancing.

She had a kilt on. She had a kilt on. Susie Ruffel wore a kilt, incredible scenes. I mean, the next day I woke up, I was tired because I went to bed really late. Yeah, that's it. But I wasn't hung over. And so the next day, I was like, I felt fine.

A bit, you know, like, oh, I could have done with an extra. Because I had to get up really early. early to go and collect the kids from where they were having. Oh, were they at sleepover? Yeah, so I had to get up at like eight. And I went to bed at three. So that wasn't ideal. Didn't you get a pass, seeing as it was your 50th?

Chloe was, had Chloe got really drunk so she couldn't move. Oh, fun. It's like I, because I was. She looked amazing. I loved her arms. What's she been doing with her arms? Nothing. Waits.

Don't come at me with nothing. Secret weights. Do you know what? Even Ben said Chloe's arm. She, I'm going to tell her that. And he never notices things like that. Fucking hell, Kerry. I'm going to tell her that.

She's going to absolutely love that conversation. I can't believe. Because I'm obsessed with arms. You're obsessed with arms? I know, we didn't mention my arms. Yeah, but we've talked about your arms on here. You showed me your arms. Okay, all right, fine.

I don't have any feeling about my arms, just to be clear. Chloe, you do. You should go. You went full Popeye last time we were on here. I know, but like, generally speaking, I'm not like spending my time worrying about my arms. They work. but Chloe has before she had her carpal tunnel

because she has obviously you can't do weights once you've been had an operation on your wrists but prior to that yes she was doing weights she was going down this place to do circuit training and weights and she did it twice a week

as well as reformer Pilates there you go well tell her it's worked I'm going to tell her fucking hell she's going to love it that's her best her birthday's coming up I'll save it for a birthday

I'll just say just so you know Well, it's my gift. It's my gift to give. So maybe I'll scribble it into a card. Stick it into a card. She'll love it. And by the way, you're on. Talking of cards, did you like the card I got you?

Because it really made me laugh. You don't remember my card. Do you know what? I got you a card from the British Museum because I went there with some friends to see an exhibition about medieval women. Oh, yes, I do remember it. And it was a street caller with a bell. And it said, oh yay, oh yay.

Welcome to the Middle Ages. I did see that. And I thought she's going to love that. She absolutely saw that and she's like, okay. It tickled me so much. I mean, I've been in the Middle Ages for a while. Yeah, I know, but you haven't had a card that totally slam dunked it. That really literally top bins did.

Just a little phrase picked up for my kids. Oh, I've got so many phrases I've picked up from the kid. Have I told you about don't be a beg? Don't be a beg. Don't be a beg is harsh. I know, but it's good, isn't it? It's very usable. I can see you're going to use that.

I'm using it every day. I'm going to imagine that's going to come up with me. Don't be a beg. No, it's more likely to be the other way around. I want to say it, but as soon as I say it, I'm like, oh, sorry. Sorry. You've got to, because it's funny. It is a good one.

Don't be a beg. Anyway, they're good. I kind of like them. And then as soon as I use them, I ruin them. So don't use your kids slang because you ruin it. I can't. I mean, they haven't, they're sort of like not quite at that age where they've got the slang. They're still saying things like, bruh.

And I'm like, you're a white kid from Brighton. You can't say that. That's exactly who's saying, bruh. And they're like, yeah, bruh. And I'm like, yeah, bruh. I got called bruh. I was like, they don't call me brough. Brough.

There you go. That's a solid minute. You could do that. Yeah, I know. I've got a solid three minutes on mansplaining, because they do a lot of that. Oh, good. A lot of mansplaining in our house. Yeah. It's like, uh, guys, have you met your mum's? I don't know who's been doing literally everything for you for your entire life, but that's actually us. So I don't think you need to step aside, sweetheart.

Let me, yada. Show you how this Lego works. Bibb, you're doing that jam, child. You're trying to step aside. It's like, let them have agency, Jennifer. Oh, they're having none. They don't have any agency and they're not going to happen. Well, that's why they're going to be mansplaining because they need agency. Oh.

Look how please stop you are. I tell you why they're mansplaining coming is because we keep telling them they're brilliant at everything and they believe us. And now they think, they need to nib that in the bud. And they literally, every time they ask. me a question, guess what, Kerry? I don't know the answer to it and that is why they think I'm thick. Oh man. Parenting's hard. Yeah, my children definitely think I'm remedial. But anyway, well, they, you know, we shrink and they expand. Who are we meeting today? Today, we are talking to the wonderful Stuart Laws. Oh, this was a good one. He had such a lovely chat with Stu.

What lovely? Such a nice bloke. Stuart is so talented. He's like a brilliant director. He's got his own production company. He's a stand-up comedian. He's a writer and a producer and he's really, really funny. And we had a lovely chat, and this is us talking to Stuart Laws. I haven't gig loads in America, but I did do a gig in New York and afterwards, didn't have an amazingly good response, but afterwards a friend was there and he went, Kerry, they didn't stand a chance. You were going like the clappers. I mean, I was talking so quick. Yeah, I talked too quickly as well, so I had to slow down. And then when I went back and did it again, I felt like I was sort of, you know, on the setting, when you listen to an audio book and you can, that's how

fast I was going and they were like, oh my God. Yeah, you've got to go slow. They're having to tune into your accent and they genuinely don't. And they say things, I mean, this might have been said before, but guys, they say things differently in America. What? Yeah, like fanny and all that stuff. Fanny's funny, though.

That is funny. Fanny pack. Fanny pack. A little tap on the fanny. Right, Stu, let's look at your. Your first, is this your first photo? Would that be the one? Yeah, I think that's the first.

And who you, who, wow, that is, that is one pudding. That's a pudding. Is it in a Bocca Glory? No. It looks like the Sunday in Sundays. Yeah. Where were you? Where was that?

That's the Isle of Man. Is that. Is it. Is it. I love man, not even the Isle of White, which is exotic. That is. Yeah, yeah. But the Is it.

The Isle of shit up. Yeah. Right, we'll have to edit that out. All of everyone. I don't care. Keep it in. I'm saying it. Just see the viewing listenership in the Isleman.

I'm saying it. I've never been to the Isle of Man, so I have no comment. I know my partner's dad goes every year for the... TT races? TT, that's it. Is that why you were there? Yeah, yeah. Youngest ever entrant.

It was wild that they let a child on a bike. On a motorbike, go fast and everything. Was this your family holiday? Yeah, so I think when there with my mum's parents, to Douglas in which is the only populated area. I've ever heard of in the Isle of Man. And around the dock area,

you could go to this ice cream place which we were obsessed with because they would make Sundays that big and it would be like they would just chuck everything in there. Yeah, I mean you've got three umbrellas. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for noticing. Look at the amount of little waferster

around the edge of that. Oh, mate, that is a heart attack. Look, is that your sister? That's my sister. There's like the awe on her face. Yeah, she can't believe. She's so happy. She can't believe it.

She looks scared of it. She is scared of it because she genuinely doesn't like cream. Oh, she's lactose intolerant. She could die if she ate it. I remember those sort of desserts where like every now and again it would be like a freak occurrence. Your parents would buy a pudding like that and you would just, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself. They get a row. They're like, get them a pudding and you're like, row more often, please.

I remember having a big row because my parents wouldn't let me have a, they would. wouldn't let me have tinned pineapple for dessert because they said that I should have fruit. And I couldn't deal with the fact that that is fruit. That is fruit. But in the parents' head, it's not. Yeah. Well, what is it then? Well, it's just, it's not fruit. It is fruit. It's just sugar. It's been soaked in sugar water.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not one of your five a day, mate. Is it not? In as much as a fruit pastel is. I remember these funny rules. My mum and dad, when we went on holiday with this other fan, family, they were allowed as much Coca-Cola as their body could hold. I was allowed one a day.

And when we had lunch, Mom was like, do you want it now? Or do you want it later? Because you decide. And I couldn't cope with the pressure of when do I have the Coca-Cola. You had it at midnight every night. It's funny, isn't it? When your mom and dad just so, like, no tin pineapple. That's that.

And also, like, this is in hindsight. So, like, I was diagnosed as autistic like last year. But like in hindsight, loads of these arguments that I can think of when I was a kid. Like, I couldn't fathom the rule. I was like, well, you've said a rule and now I'm sticking to that rule, but you're now not allowing me. Oh, yes, I get it. You're like, that's absolutely unacceptable. And now they're saying it's not a fruit.

Or then what is it and why are you calling a fruit not a fruit? Oh, right. So up is down and down is up now, is it? Yeah. You fucking worms. This one goes out to you, mum and dad. They fucked you up, bad. Yeah, yeah.

That's the sort of arbitrary rules that parents give out I mean I kind of find myself doing it with the kids while I'll be saying something they'll be like well that doesn't make sense it's like well you don't investigate you know you're like these are just the rules and just follow them and anyway everyone keep walking I hate it when you're as a parent midway through a sentence

that you know and they know is bullshit and you go hard I just want to look look at me and you're just losing it you're just losing it mid and they're like what is the rule don't look at Yeah, don't look at me, look at me. Look at me.

It's chaos parenting. But what you're saying is because of your autism, that those kind of mixed messages, let's call it, which we all just call normal parenting. Yeah, yeah. I think in hindsight, I'm like, oh, hang on, it just popped into my head that, like, there must have been so many of those times

when I would then be like, I was referred to as extremely stubborn as a kid. Right. But like, it would have been me being like, no, no, you've said a thing and I've been trying to stick to it. And now you've changed that thing. Yeah, yeah.

What the fuck is going on? What did they make of your being diagnosed? So my dad died like 10 years ago. Right. So he couldn't give a shit, I imagine. Yeah, no, I'd say he's indifferent. My mum, I think, is like, first of all, she was like, no, you can't be. You've got too much empathy.

And then she had to be on the calls. Like, so it was done video sort of assessment. Yeah. And then you need someone who's known you since you were a child. and my mum was sort of prime target there. Right. She would be. Very few other people have known me since I was zero.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was there. She was the main contender for that job. My dad fucked off. He was like, I fucked off is a new way of phrasing dying. Yeah, yeah. He fucked off because he couldn't be bothered.

And so I think doing that assessment made her be like, oh shit. And I think it must be tough as a parent because you suddenly are just like, oh, did I, I think you probably have that feel of like, have I failed in some way? You'd feel guilt for sure. Which I think is unfair. I didn't know. Yeah, nobody sort of knew.

I mean, not that nobody was being diagnosed with autism, but nobody was really understanding about neurodivergence. And there were very strict tropes about what autism was. Like that very idea that your mum said, well, you've got empathy, so therefore you can't be autistic, is now we think, well, that's crazy. But that was probably very, that's what everyone thought. Everyone was like, oh, it's like Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, otherwise you're not autistic. Yeah, totally.

Well, so my mum worked with like autistic children, but it was like high needs autistic children. So like there's this view of like, oh, it's, you know, someone maybe who's nonverbal or, you know, struggling in those sort of ways, which is just not, you know, my experience of it. So it must be like, oh, that's set in stone. That's what autism is. Not knowing fully maybe the scale of what it. can be. Totally.

And she should have just felt bad that she didn't know that things were stressing you out that she would have not wanted you to be stressed out by? Yeah, where's the camera? And you should feel bad. That's why I really enjoyed reading Fern's book, Fern Brady's book, because I think it's really good for people who are non-neurodivergent to read it, to understand, you know, like how different people's, you know, brains work. It was really interesting for me because I've got quite a few autistic friends to go,

oh, that's why you don't like it when we go there or that's why, you know, you don't enjoy that. I mean, I've got a couple of friends with autism who I remember going in for a hug with them and then being like, what do you do? And me's going, oh, they don't, okay, they don't like that, but not really understanding why. And now we do like a side pat.

Yeah. They still want some, they still want to come in for, but they just don't want to do it on their terms, or it's just a wave. Like if I see Fern, it's like, Like, oh, we just wave at each other. Yeah, yeah. Hello, there's a wave.

Yeah, yeah. But I would not have had, you know, I think it's interesting to read about and understand it to be able to like go, right, okay, so now I can be a bit more supportive as a mate. So I don't thrust you into these environments where you're going to feel stressed or anxious because it's like, you know, a lot of it seems to be sensory. Yes, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's an interesting thing getting to grips with it. Like, I was a season ticket holder at Tottenham a couple of seasons ago before I was diagnosed. And I've always, like, love music and love football.

And, like, the way that you're supposed to enjoy those that everyone says is the live experience is better than anything else. And I'd always go to them and be like, you know, I don't know if it is. Right. But, like, I will keep going because that's what I'm told is the best way to do it. And then being a season ticket holder and every week being sat in the same seat, knowing the exact noise. that were going to happen around me, the person that would say, come on Tottenham, every eight minutes, like, borrowed into my brain in a way that I was like, I can't deal with this. And I was overthinking every decision because I was like, oh, now they know I'm here every week.

So if I eat the same food every week, they're going to be thinking about that. And all these sort of like things started really escalating my brain. I was like, why am I finding this so stressful? And then, like, the diagnosis being like, there's so many sensory things. There's so much unpredictability, but also like predictability to like certain things that it would, It's like my brain was just working so hard every single time I went, go to the football and go to a music gig or anything like that. That like, if I go once or twice a season now, I'm like, that's good. I like to go and do it.

But like, I know that going to these things more regularly is difficult. It's going to stress you out. Yeah. You know what's better than the one big thing? Two big things. Exactly. The new iPhone 17 Pro on Tell us is five-year rate plan price lock. Yep.

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This is my brothers did, one of my brothers did Boys Brigade. and I was always, even though I hate any kind of group activities and I would have hated it, I was always slightly jealous because he got to wear this outfit. It's a great outfit. It was a hat. It was a hat. It was full thudder birds.

How old are you there? What am I there? Ten, maybe. You do look like you're being puppeteered. Yeah, so we must have been doing like a... Yeah. So that guy, Matt, I'm still friends with, very good friends with, him and his wife. And we do comment.

together and he writes with me sometimes. And this is where you met at Boys Brigade? Yeah, I think it was. Oh, wow sweet. Oh, so this is, oh, so you guys have got a double acts here. Yeah, so we play Doomsday Preppers now. Right. Selling access to our bunker to the crowd on like a, you know, subscription service.

And that, I think is where it started. And we do use not that photo. There's a more serious version of that photo to be like, do you want the background between us? We met, I think we say in scouts. Oh, no, we try to redact it so that we don't give out all the information. We say, like, we met when we were 10 in Beeb, but we were also both kicked out of the scouts, me at 14, blah, blah, blah, fun little bits. So were you kicked out of school? Hang, why did you go Boy's Brigade and not Scouts? I don't, I guess, because of Christianity.

Because it's like, sort of. Oh. Oh, because of Christ is really. I think that's it. Like, God. No, boys' brigade is. Boys Brigades. Oh, but they do bring out some. I think is it Methodist?

Yeah, that must be it. Yeah. Yeah. But Scouts has got. some God. I think it's got some God as well, but I think it's less... This is pure God. Yeah, this is pure God. Yeah, it's God. It's all God. It's all much monarchy. Lot of monarchy. God saves the king and queen and... What, in Scouts? Yeah. All that your promise, your dib, dib, dob, dob, do you

is to look after the king and chill out with the God. What am I going to do with him? Chill out with the God, did you say? I think, I can't remember all the words, but God and the monarchy are key. I don't know if chill out's in there. But yeah, yeah. But is that. But is that. Not the case with these guys. No, it's more Jesus. Jesus loves you. Yeah. Remember.

Yeah. Three fingers for the king. Two fingers. Two for Jesus. Two for Jesus. Whoa. Not the full fist. He can take the four fist.

I never knew that he can take it. I never knew that that was the distinction between boys brigade and, because the secular, groovy one was the woodcraft folk. Oh, no one's heard of that. Really? I've never heard of Woodcraft phone. No, I've never heard of the Woodcraft phone. That is not a thing.

That is a thing. Has anyone heard of Woodcraft phone? I knew a kid that went to the Woodcraft phone. Where did you go up? I grew up in West London. Yeah. But I was a brownie and then I was a guy and then they chucked me out because I started smoking. And I had to say to Lorraine, the guide lady, me and Tara and Jackie went around there because they had a bank and we had some pocket money in there.

Didn't get any interest. But I remember going around Lorraine's and being like, I know we've left, but we want our money. We want our money. She was like, I'm so disappointed in you girls. Did you get your money back? Yes. Oh, good. What did you spend it on?

How many fags? Yeah. He could buy singles, single silk cuts from the ice cream band. Anyway, Boys Brigade and Jesus. Yeah. So did you have a religious upbringing? So we were taken to church. So my mum's parents were.

And she went to church every week. Did you have to go to church every week? Yes, we went to church every week, went to Boys Brigade. And then I then went to like, so in meeting Matt at Boys Brigade, found out that he was part of a Baptist church. He's now non-religious, but like a nearby Baptist church where there was like a youth group. And I was like, oh, I could go to that because I've got friends now and went and did that even though I wasn't religious. Like I would say maybe a week to two weeks of my life.

I've been like definitely religious. The rest of it, I was just like, okay, yeah, sure, I'm here. A gang's a gang, mate. Yeah, exactly. And I like being part of the gang. And what sort of kid were you at that age? I mean, you've got your pal there. But did you find making friends easy at school?

No. And I definitely wasn't in like any proper like friendship group sort of thing. I sort of flitted between them all. And then there was one time when I was like 15 or 16 where I said a funny thing in class. And like the loud person in class went, oh, someone's got batteries in him at last in a way that was I was like, oh shit. I'm never going to say anything. And Matt was in that class with me. And he went, yeah, whereas you've got.

put jurorsetles in you because you never shut the fuck up. Nice come back. Nice one. And you were like, comedy, here I come. Yeah. In 15 years' time, we will be performing the Tron in Edom. Right. Let's look at the next photo.

So I'm assuming it's this one. Am I right? Is it this one? Yes. So what's going on in this picture? So next to me is Matt. Oh my God, Stuart. You've got a mullet.

You look so serious. You've got a Mulee, V. I guess it's long, slightly long. hair. It's not a full mullet. Is that what are you saying that's mullet? That is a mullet, mate. Oh my gosh.

That's a patch up, mate. Oh, man. I do know a patch sharp. It's a Chris Waddle. Definitely. Glenn Hoddle. Definitely. Hoddle and Waddle.

Look at that lovely moustachio. Then the thing is, that's not a moustache. That's as much as the full beard was at the time. Stu, what is that hanging from your chin, mate? That actually looks like pubes. Because I can see now, you've got a beard. You could grow a beard. But then.

Yeah, it was real. Nothing's joining up. Everything on that face is an island. Yes. Yeah. What is the event? Why are you all suited and booted? So that is a wedding.

I can't remember whose wedding it is actually. Oh, for heaven's sake, Stu, that's the most important thing about going to a wedding is knowing who's wedding. It definitely wasn't your wedding. No, no. Right. You're not the group. Right. Well, that's, we can eliminate you from.

I'm out. It might be Matt. So that is Matt from the Boys Brigade photo next to me. He looks. You're so young. So how old are you in this photo? You look like you're at 21. Yeah, I think maybe a tiny bit old in that, maybe 23, 24.

So this is the tragedy for me is that I looked so, so young until suddenly I looked old. It was like an overnight sort of thing. And it's so stressed because my partner, she's 34 and I'm always like, yeah, but I look, I'm 40. And I'm like, yeah, but I look young for it. And she's like, no, no, you look 40. I don't know. And I played football in a lot. America recently with some people who I mentioned I was 40.

I'm like, oh, I feel everything now. And they're like, oh, we thought you were like 35. I'm like, that's what I'm like. Yeah, that's what I'm buzzing for. Yeah. And then I said that to my partner and she's like, no, they're wrong. Partners, man. They'll just say it.

It's so hard. Just go with the flipping. Just make me feel better. Don't, whatever you're thinking, like, lie. Yeah. Why? Do you have to tell me the truth? I'm with the American footballers.

That's nice. I think you look at mid-30s. Well, that's very kind. I actually thought you, I didn't know you were 40. I actually assumed that you are mid-30. That's what I'm looking for. I think though what I, if I fully shave. Yeah.

And for ages I was like so young-looking. Baby-face. Would get ID'd until well into my 20s. Right. And then like one night, I think one time, I think maybe like about 10 years ago, I fully shaved for the first time in ages. And I looked in the mirror. I was like, oh no, I looked like a child who's seen war.

It was You do have a slightly haunted look going on in that Yeah, yeah Undiagnosed autistic That's what it is You're all wearing really shiny ties Yes, that was the vibe I think for a couple of years When would have that been like mid-2000s

Yeah shiny ties And then those weird pointy black shoes that men wore Do you remember that? With jeans Oh my gosh Some of the brown pointy shoes with jeans Oh brown pointy shoes Those photos of Simon Cow

with a little horrible. There's some really interesting hairdos going on here as well with the mullet. Stop calling it a mullet. I actually think I actually think your muley out of all the hairdos

I actually Yeah because they're in now aren't they but this wasn't on trend at that time. The mullet's in now? Mullets are in. Oh are they? Yeah.

I just thought there's football players and met her hairdresser. All the football players have got mullets right? But I wouldn't go to a football player for fashion. Would you not? Would you?

Would you? No. That's what I thought. So are these, are these, you're, like, would you say that these are your three best mates and these are the guys that you hang out with still? Definitely, like, longest, like we have a semi-regular poker game where we all, Andy, Andy's had a vasectomy, so he's join me on that. Okay. That's a good team to hack. Did you go together? We held hands.

Oh, in your boys brigade outfit. Yeah, yeah. I love that. That was one of the, when I saw you, that was one of the first things we talked about was your vasectomy. Is it? Yeah. That's classic me. I go through little phases of just like,

now at the moment I'm like blah, blah, autism, shut up. But we did. We went straight in, straight in for that. It's an interesting thing when you hear what they do to the tubes.

Cut it. Do you want to talk about it? I can talk about it. I actually talked about it in this exact seat before when I went on Stevie and Tessa's podcast to talk about how to have a vasectomy.

You didn't do it yourself. I mean, were you conscious? Did you look? Yeah, you're conscious. Yeah, it's like going to the dentist. Is it? it though. It's a bit like they inject

the old numbing stuff not into your gum but into your local anaesthetic it's cool they inject it into gum and then cut your knob but then you can't complain

because your mouse nose but go on go through the procedure in bullet points because you've told it on a pod so I want

and also I don't want too much detail and I haven't even got a nod but I really don't want to know about but you might want to pass it on to Ben

as a suggestion yeah probably don't need to do that now though that should be So I was so desperate to come wherever I wanted. So this is why. I love that we're opening with that.

This is great. Wherever I wanted. Wherever I wanted. No, I had never wanted kids since I was like 20 when I'd sort of thought about it properly and was like, oh yeah, I don't want that. And then at the age of 35, I had a couple relationships where that had been a discussion. And at the age of 35, I was like, oh, I can just.

going to do this. Yeah. I don't realize you should have. 15 years is long enough to make that decision and be certain in it. Also, it's a reversible decision. It technically is. They say you shouldn't think of it as like that, but I was like, I want to do this. This is great.

Is it reversible? It doesn't sound reversible. It is a reversible decision. Yeah. Carry on. So you go in, they inject your testicles, your scrotum. They numb that. Then they do a tiny incision about as big as a small fingernail.

Yeah. And then they pull the tutel. out from one side, they snip it, they crush the ends, they burn the ends. Burn, well, how are you, how are you? If they crush it and snippet it, why do they have to burn it? To quarterise it? Yeah. I don't want the crushing and snipping and burn it.

You don't have a bollock, you're all right. I don't want anyone I loves bollock to get burnt and snipped and crushed. Oh, it's fine. Yeah, how I knew that they were burning it. You smelled it? Yeah, I smelled it. Flesh. The smell of burning flesh.

My balls on fire. So they didn't numb your nose or your olfax. Equipment I've had them snipped subsequently and then they pull the other side out they do that to that one

and then pop it in and then you're back on the bus and then you're straight in a taxi which took every speed bump home Oh your bullets must be so sore like when the anaesthetic wears off

so there's no stitches because the night the scalpel they use quarterizes the the entry point on the way out so it's sort of because it's hot

yeah I don't it's some special thing so like they activate it or something and it just... I don't know how. Activate, activate it. Go! Go! Seals it, burns it shut. And then that's it.

Then you just check. I think you have to wait there for like half an hour go and check the dressing to make sure that you're not bleeding loads. I thought you meant go and see if you can get someone pregnant. And then yeah, immediately go. Go and check if you could get someone knocked up. She is exhausted.

Because wife wrote a piss on a stick. It's so long. Yeah, it's crazy. Also, it's so not like my partner doesn't want kids. And like it was something we talked about so early on when we, when we met. And like, it's such like a mentally freeing thing to just be like, that isn't even a discussion that either of us are having. Yeah.

Like it just is just a neutral thing all of a sudden. And like, yeah, we don't even have to think about it. Yeah. Also, she does still have the coil in in a way that it's funny to be like, you could get that out now. She's like, no, that's all right. In a way that I'm like, I think she's cheating on me. She's going to be.

Yeah, she's going out. I'll keep it in there, mate. Can't keep it interesting. It's not rushing to anything. This picture also looks like a wedding. Is this the next photo? Oh, yeah. You just go to weddings.

This is great. So you're not in this picture. No, I am in. You can zoom in and see me. Oh, this is like, where's Wally? Where's Stuart? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. How many and moody. How moody are you in that picture? Okay, so this is 2015. I had maybe the day or two days before broken up with a long-term partner. Wow, you can, okay, I can see it in your face. You really aren't happy to be at that wedding.

Really happy to be with other people's love and... This was Andy's wedding. Your best friend. He's added a phecctomy now. But like this was his wedding. Is that Andy there? No, no. So this is like a photo that was on Facebook, but I got tagged on.

of a group that I don't really know those people in front. I know one of them that I got tagged. I love this picture. And I think because I'm a director as well, I know where every camera is all the time. So you knew that was being taken? Yeah, I was like, as a photo being, livid. So what happened was that I was supposed to be there with my partner, Sarah.

And I'm naming it there because it's relevant. Next to me on the table. So I just, I basically, I told Matt, boys were gave Matt, we've broken up. And I think Pete, who was also in the other wedding photo, I think he suspected something. So I told him as well. Andy, I didn't want to tell.

I didn't want it to be like a distracting thing on the wedding. So I said that she was really ill, was so sorry, wishes you all. And she would have wished them all a happy wedding. Just to like remove that from the conversation. Next to us on the table was another friend, Sarah and Stuart. and then in my Sarah's space, not mine, ever, she wasn't ever mine, but like in this context, we just use that as a short house. I didn't own her.

I promise I didn't own her. Four uni friends of the bride turned up for the dinner when they weren't invited to the dinner. And so they, that's weird. Major faux par. They then, there were four gaps available, three on one table and then one on our table. And so they did rock paper scissors to find out which of the four uni friends. should come to sit by themselves on this table. And the one that won was called Sarah.

So there was this really weird Sarah Stewart, Sarah Stewart. That's so weird. Replacement. And then me and this Sarah were getting on. And I was... You're not married to that Sarah now? No. Okay.

I was technically single. And this me and this Sarah were getting on. But you couldn't get on because everyone thought you were still with Sarah. Exactly. Oh, God. So you look like the bad boy. Exactly. And you really look like the bad boy in this picture.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that photo was taken, I think, earlier on when before like any... Sarah had happened. I was just like, oh man, this is a rough old day. But you go... I remember one point, almost crying during the first dance because they asked me to hold their drinks. And I think I was an usher.

So I was like just stood at the edge of the dance floor just being like, well, this is pretty fucking bleak. Oh, Stu, that's so hard. You just couldn't fake it. you just couldn't put a smile on your face. At that point, I think I just, I was trying hard. But like, you know, you expend your energy for when you need to. And I didn't think I needed to in this point.

Right. And then saw the camera. I was like, uh-oh. You were, you were at that point of recharge. Yeah, I'm recharging. You were at that point of recharge. We were like, if the camera in five minutes, yet, then you'd have been all teeth and tears. But in that moment, you can't fake it.

And this popped up on social media and what loads of people were like, what the fuck is going on with you, mate? I think, so John, who's at the front of it. Does someone do an arrow? It needs an arrow. Also, it does need a where's Wallybuck? Where's Stuart? And put him at a wedding.

Yeah, yeah. Put him at a christening. Put him at a rave. I want to see. What is his face doing? I want to see that in a million different contexts. I think generally my face in photos is not. My face is never like, well, hey, I'm having a great time.

I'm embarrassed of smiling and things like that. But that is, yeah, he looks very upset. I think you look kind of moody. I'm just trying to think of like who kind of really, I tell you you remind me a little bit of a sort of moody Matthew, what's his name? Yeah, a moody Matthew Perry. Oh, you know, that holds up with that guy who came into the youth group and was funny. And I was like, what the hell?

You remember when Chandler gets his third nipple removed? And then someone else hits a punchline before him and he's like, my power. It's because I lost my third nipple. Yeah. Ah. But you do. I mean, the more I look at that picture, the more I think you look. You just look like Chandler.

Chandler Bing. Third series. Yeah. But it's been through a heartbreak. There's so much, especially as a director. I mean, I'd love it. If I could paint, I'd paint that because the composition. You say it's Renaissance.

It's got a renaissancey vibe. Like, just all the characters in it, all the people. But look at the people around Stu. So it's got a Kubrick sort of composition. Look at everyone else. Everyone else is like, oh, really laughing and really. Four people at the front. Couldn't be happier.

And even the people around you and you, just there, staring into the middle distance. Perfectly center framed as well. I want a poster of that in my house. Maybe it's Mabelaine is such an iconic piece of music. Hit the check. Everyone in the studio that I worked on this jingle with all had like childhood stories or memories.

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What's going on here? So, you know how, like, everyone reacts differently to the pandemic? No, this was filmed... This was from just before... This was like February 2020. Oh, so it was coming towards us. Yeah. So were you?

That's me in Tbilisi in Georgia. Oh, was this a, were you in a movie or something? I was in an advert. That's very nice for you to think it might be a movie. Stu, and it's absolutely possible. It's possible. An advert is a tiny movie. Exactly.

And I had to play a New York bank robber. Yeah, I'd buy that. Thank you. Great suit. What's the mask you're wearing? I can't really. It's like, it's quite scary. Who's the other guy?

That is a local extra. And the job was that I walk in, fire into the air, say, this is a robbery. And then smash that guy in the face. What a great. Do that again. Do the accent again. This is a robbery. Oh, my, that is a robbery.

You're going to be great in America. Yeah, yeah. They're going to love you. Yeah. Why, yeah. You're going all the way to Hollywood. Hey, I'm rubbing here. Stuff like that.

Yeah. Yeah, that's good. So why have you? included this particular photo? What's, what? I think, I think it's from the, just, literally just before the world went to shit. Shit. It's quite an interesting thing. I'd never been to Georgia before. You didn't get trapped in Georgia? Didn't get trapped. So this was like, basically this was like a weird week for me where it actually just did feel like certain things were like cranking into gear. I was just to make a plan. Yeah, yeah. You needed to make a plan where to

go. Because there were people that were like, I need to go home or I need to get to this place. Otherwise, I'm going to be trapped here. For me, I think I would have been all right. We'd be trapped in Tbilisi. This was in February, right? Yeah, yeah. So this was a way ahead because we didn't shut anything down to the end of March. But that week I had sort of been like the lead in like this short film, which seemed like, you know, was like, oh, this is quite exciting.

I'd been asked to be in this short film and I want to do more acting and was like, oh, this is cool that I've been asked to be in this. It's by the by that I was playing a pineapple. But like it. Parts apart, mate. Parts apart, right? That ends with me being pissed on. Not a tinned pineapple because that's not technically fruit. No, exactly.

And then got this advert, which was like for being filmed in a cool place. I remember arriving at the hotel that night and then me and the other actor got picked up by a taxi and driven for like costume to get our costumes done. But it was like 45 minutes out of Tbilisi to a Soviet power plant where like the gates open. There were guards there. We were driven around the back where it was really dark and we were like, and the taxi driver didn't know where we were going. So we just got out and when people found us.

And I was like, okay, cool, this is real. This is real. You're going to go die or have a story. Just phone in your agent. And then, yeah, the next day filming in like this big national library in Tbilisi, which had been done up like a bank. And the director noticed that I was somehow communicating with this guy who didn't speak English, but like he sort of naturally sort of seemed to get what I was saying.

And he was like, he doesn't seem to be responding so easily to me. Do you mind directing him for what he needs to do? I was like, okay, yeah, fine. So what language did he speak? Georgian. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were in Georgia in America. No, in very much.

Hence the Soviet. Yes. Yeah, I did wonder why there was a Soviet base in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then. Yeah, surely the government would have noticed. I see you in Harry on. And because basically I had to walk in fire the gun

and then crack him in the face with the gun. Right. Oh, wow. And then send him to the ground. And he was just a big lad, as you can see in the photo. Yeah, he looks like he definitely did a crack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had to crack him out there.

Did you have a fight coach? No. So you had to do this yourself? Yeah, yeah. So that's quite an ask. Yeah. And so I was just, I don't know how for some reason we had a. vibe.

And that's why he was the one that asked for this photo. He, at the end of it was like, can I get a photo? I guess probably because he thought,

that guy that plays a pineapple in that short film. That is very big ass to get to do a proper fight sequence with someone in a different language and no support of help. Yeah.

And you did it? I did it. But I guess you directed yourself then. So I was directing myself and this Georgian lad. I really want to see this. What was the, what were you advertising?

I think he did. it was like some streaming service in the Middle East. Okay. I never saw the final advert. We're never going to see the advert. Yeah, I saw a making of. I found a making of. But...

Surely it must be online. Everything must be. Yeah. I've never been able to find it. The one that was filmed at the power plant did go online, but I never saw the one where I shoot up a bank. I really want to see it. It sounds great.

Especially because you did all the fight. But also the mask is on me the whole time, so you don't... Oh, so you don't even know it's you. You don't even know from my body shape. I was like, I always find that. so bizarre. So you got a job. Well, they went there, this guy. We definitely need him. We need this guy, his New York accent, and we need him in Tbilisi. And we will never ever,

we don't need to see his face. I don't want to see his face. I want him in a mask. How do cast and directors decide that? Hang on. This keeps happening. Maskwork is a very respected film. Mask work. Hang on. I was a pineapple previously as well. My face is never getting in anything. Yeah, but your physicality is absolute gold dust. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Stu, it's been so lovely to have you on the pod. Tell us what you're doing and where people can see all of your great things. Stuart Laws.com. That was a lot of pressure. That was so stressful. Hold the silence, Stuart. Hold the tension. Where can we see?

Stuart Laws, don't. Yes. So, Stu, you're going to be going on tour when? March. Tickets are on sale for the tour. And let's not forget that you direct. James Acast is special, which is out on HBO very soon. Or is it already out?

It will already be out and then on Sky over here. Wow. Exciting. Exciting. Exciting. I see you in Brooklyn. See you in Brooklyn. How did your work in progress go?

You know when you do a bit and you sort of throw it away at a gig because it's a sort of slightly improvised bit that comes up, but you're like, I don't know what that is. And so you forget about it. You go, I'll bury that. Then I unburied it tonight. and it's now a little bit. That's what working progress is for.

Yeah, and I was so excited. I went, that's a minute and a half. I was so excited about that. I thought, I filled a minute and a half today. You've only got 58 and a half left. I tell you. To fill. To fill.

Only 58 and a half. No, I mean, I started, I've started with, I've started with something. I've started with, you know, a good 15 and now we've got 16 and a half and that felt good. But there was a couple of bits

where I could see people going oh, this is a lovely chat. But you know, you've got to do it. That is what work in progress is. That is what it is. There's no other route. If you were rocking up with an hour's worth of solid gold,

you'd be AI, mate. That's not our creativity in humans. I know, but I sometimes... Second draft, third draft, potentially, interesting, but could be shit. Yeah. And I think sometimes

People love it Because they're like Oh, I'm seeing you not This isn't very refined They love it They want to smell the woodburning They're the kind of people They're the back off a clock

You're like, I want to know the time Not how the mechanics work Exactly And there are some people there last night They were like Oh I just wanted to see it when it's ready I wanted to see all the cogs And I want to see all the little breakdown

I want to see you have a breakdown A tiny tiny break up And then recover There was a little bit of that night There was one story that went Absolutely nowhere I started it And halfway through it went, oh, there's nothing here.

But I, I committed. I committed to the end because I thought we might find it at the end. We didn't, we didn't find anything. But maybe you'll do it in a truncated form. I don't think I can truncated. Well, I can't think about it now. I can't, I've recorded it, obviously, which I'll never listen to it back because it's unbearable. But I should listen to it back because there might be a little bit of an indicator.

There's going to be lots of, uh, uh, uh, a lot of, a lot of, that. And then, but listen, by the time it's finished, Kerry, it's going to be... Do you think it might change the landscape of British comedy? Absolutely not. No. I don't think anything I've ever done. A friend said to me the other day, what's your show about? And I went, oh, the usual shit. Same. Someone said to me, what's react what's this show reactive about? I said, did you see my last show? They were like, yeah. I went, it's kind of like that.

Try us for not reinventing the wheel here, mate. No, I'm literally, where that left off, this one picks up from. Well, my current worry is that David Attenborough is going to die, and I've got at least 10 minutes on him. And if he dies. That's so funny. It's so funny. You are, it's a real gamble.

It's a real gamble. We're right on the water. That bit actually will be funny because you'll go, obviously I wrote this before he died. Then, boom, another joke there. Yeah, but there'll be a lot of, there'll be a massive spink to work out in that five 10 minutes before you get away off. Really lean into the tension. Just go, what do you mean?

Are you trying to tell him he's dead? So I wrote it before and it's staying in the show. It's structurally like Jenga. If you pull David Attenborough out, I can't make the tower. No. David Attenborough stays in alive or dead and he would understand. He would be like, he would be like, he's like Gandalf anyway. He won't die.

He'll just go to another level. No. Yeah, he'll come back in a white cloak or something. Yeah. Exactly. It's incredible how well he's doing. And long live, David Attape, that's what I say. Yeah. We need him.

So what have you been doing? Oh my God. Oh, excuse me, I'm dying. Elese's 18. Yeah, my daughter turned 18. That was quite churley. How are you? Are you feeling a bit weeping?

No. Yeah, that was a challenging week. I got kicked. I organized a party for her. I persuaded her to have a party. Yeah. Got kicked out. Yeah, of course.

Why did you think you were going to stick around? Because I am a call and groovy mum with bangs. No. Oh my God, no. Even I know that. She basically allowed me to stay until it got sort of fleshed out. So we were basically like essays, like extras at her 18th. So just to create a crowd scene.

So there were a few of us that I told like a few local mates. Dom came, Dom and Sam came. Oh, okay. And Tara and a couple of friends. And, but the bloke who owns the venue, it's a really lovely little book and record bar around here that he hires out for parties. It's just a really cute little venue.

And he said, you can't just all go. I have to have some adults there because it's 18th. Some of them won't even be old enough and I can't have them bringing in drink and smoking weed. So you've got to have another grown up here. Yeah. So poor Ben had to stay till 1am with his mate, him and Mark stayed. So there was like adult representation, but not me.

Oh my God, it's always been. It's always been. It's always Ben. And it was made very clear that Ben was the one. Ben was chosen. If I have the truth between you two, I want Dad. I don't want you. Because Ben knows to be in the background.

Yeah, because they were smoking roll-ups by the end of the night. That's why. Oh, right. Oh, you would have gone absolutely apeshet. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I'm really cool. Oh, my God.

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