Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S04 E04: Rebecca Front

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

"I had the most enormous face... My mum would take me to the doctors and they'd go... Mumps?... No No you asked me that last time... " The brilliant comedian and actor @msrebeccafront joins us this week to talk about her amazing life, her beautiful family, her cute as can be dog and her upcoming podcast. Rebecca's podcast is out NOW - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/three-people-with-rebecca-front/id1779491100 Jen and Kerry talk about algorithms, world's strongest man, daydreaming, gonad elbows... etc  We are also asking for you all to DM us a photo from your life and we might choose it for our special 'Listener Episode'. - Send us a photo and description and we'll do the rest! Plus... Kerry's 2025 tour is on sale now - https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/kerry-godliman-tickets/artist/1866728 PHOTO 1: Mum PHOTO 2: Me PHOTO 3: Dad PHOTO 4: Bailey PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, that's what we're doing. Okay. We're asking. So listeners, if you've got a photo you'd like us to talk about, send it in. Send it in. And we will pick the top four. We'll pick four for this particular episode because we're going to do more. And then we're going to chat about them in future.

episode of Memory Lane, but we need you to send your photographs in. So please send them in. DM us directly at Memory Lane, so a direct message to our Instagram account. And we will go through the photographs, pick four and discuss them on a future episode. Oh, I can't wait to see what gets sent in. My wonder if it'll be bad haircuts, appalling clothes, holidays, romance. I want all of it. Please include a brief description of your photograph as well so we can talk about it. So we have some context, basically. Yeah, man. Hello and welcome to Memory Lane. I'm Jen Bristair and I'm Kerry Godleman.

Each week we'll be taking a trip down Memory Lane with our very special guest as they bring in four photos from their lives to talk about. To check out the photos we'd be having a natter with them about, they're on the episode image and you can also see them a little bit more clearly on our Instagram page. So have a little look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy together. I am intrigued by the...

reels that I'm seeing, this is what Instagram is oftening up to me, people going, I was, that people are narrating or they'll do like subtitles over a video of them where they for some reason are filming themselves. When a man came up to me and offered me a cup of tea, it was at that moment that I realised

that kindness can come from a stranger. I'm like, why are you filming yourself? Just random, just randomly. But what's the point is, why is your algorithms asked for this? Oh, my algorithms are really all over the place. Well, then why have your algorithms got... All of my algorithms are like, oh, and then I was with my son. I was with my autistic son and then someone came over to me and said, hey, did you know that autism is a gift?

And that's what I knew that the kindness of strangers. It's like, Jesus Christ. I do sort of know the clips you're referring to, but I'm just curious why you're being bamboozled with them. I'm not being bamboozled with them. I'm just seeing son. I've seen them and I've gone, who's filming themselves all the time that they're waiting for some old man to up to them again. underestimate the time people have got to film themselves. But why are you filming yourself?

Well, what about the people that came to be off-grid, but they're filming themselves? Who are these people? Well, they're like living in a wood, whittling cutlery, but they're filming themselves. Oh, well, I don't know what these people are doing. Why are they doing it? I don't film myself ever. I've never been in a situation and gone, I don't, you know what I need to do right now. I need to film myself.

It's bizarre. Yeah, and not only do they film themselves, they've got a ring, lamp, and a stick. Yeah. In Costa. What's going on? This is beginning to feel like it's set up. Yeah. It's almost as if you didn't know how the internet worked.

Should I tell you the other thing that the internet is showing me? Go on. Okay. And this is true. I am talking about the fact that I feel like I'm losing a lot of muscle mass. I seem to talk about it all the time with Chloe. That's the only conversation I have. Oh, aren't you doing weights?

I had trouble getting up to the sofa because of it. But that's it. I'm doing, you know I'm doing weights, Kerry. We've talked about this. But now Instagram is like, Oh, have you tried these weights? You're doing these weights? What about squat thrust butt thrust, butt thrust, squat lift, duck?

Have you done that? I'm doing all them. I'm doing all them. How can you be doing all of them at the same time? You're just doing them. I'm doing it now. Wow. I'm always doing weights now.

I feel like the amount of weights that I'm expected to lift on a daily basis. Who does they think I am? Giant haystacks? Oh, I tell you what, if you're looking for something. If you are looking. Giant haystacks. who was born in the early 70s. If you do want a bit of entertainment,

watch the strongest man, strong man. Watch that. On Channel 5? Yeah, at Christmas. And it's changed, because when I was a kid, they used to pull lorries and shit. But now it's not lorries. Now it's not lorries.

What are they pulling? Just weights. But fucking massive ones. But I'm like, but I want a lorry. I want a lorry. I'm here for the, I'm here for the jeopardy. Yeah. What if the lorry?

What if you're pushing? she's pulling, sometimes they put it so hard. Pick up a bus, mate. Pick up a bus. The Laurie starts to pick up a bit of momentum, starts to chase them. Yeah, that's never happened. But that could happen. That's the kind of Jeopardy I'm talking about. Yeah, you want something on wheels. You want the rolling Jeopardy.

I want wheels attached to a big... It's like when Evil Knievel used to jump over like buses and stuff. Oh, no one's talking about evil can evil anymore. Well, now you've said it, the algorithms will give it. They'll go, oh, you want Evil Knievel? Here we go, mate. I, for our younger listeners You have to tell the algorithms what you want.

Evil caneval. Let's see what comes up. Let's see what comes up. I'm hopeful that Instagram's going to have picked that up. Evil can evil. Honestly, we had an evil caneval toy. And what it did was you would put it on a thing and then you'd wind it up, make it go back.

And a way it would go. Yeah. It went fast. Yeah. I actually think toys in the 80s are better than toys now. I'm going to put that out there. Well, when we say toys, now, most kids are playing

roadblocks on an iPad. No one's saying. No one needs to wind up toys. I was saying to Chloe, why don't our children like toys? She was like, they don't want toys? They want to play, they want to game. Some do, don't they? Mine didn't, but some do.

And when I used to look at kids that played with toys, I was like, oh, where did you get these? Where'd you get the kids to play with the toys? Yeah, I want the kids to come toys. Where do they live? Mine didn't. We now, I mean, they barely allow to go near a screen.

So I don't understand this. So I feel like we've fetishised screens for them now. You've given them plastic bottles. You taught them that game, didn't you, when you flip the plastic bottle? That was a lovely game. Oh, they love a plastic bottle. They did love flipping a bottle. I'm really glad they've stopped doing that because the sound of that through the ceiling was doing my fucking nutting.

They love a ball, any kind of ball, any shake ball, kick a ball, throw a ball, hit a ball, hit a ball, touch a ball, roll a ball. Lego, they love Lego. No, that's just gone. It's over now. Well, they are, they probably aged out of it. I remember when they came here once a year to go. and I got the discarded Lego basket out. They talked about that for years.

Their eyes. Their eyes. And I was like, finally a child that would appreciate the Lego. And then you said to them, do you want to take that home with you? And they were like, they couldn't believe it.

It was like, yeah, because I was like, Woody and Buzz that these toys need to be loved. Oh, you, yeah. Well, they were being loved. But they absolutely did. Like they got used.

I mean, we've still got one of the toys that you gave us, which I think is like a Star Wars thing. It's still there. It's actually pride of place on their shelf. It's there. I'm really pleased. It's missing a foot, but it's there. Yeah. The toys phase has gone. They are completely in love for the idea of a screen.

Sometimes they just stare at the window. I think, you know there's nothing there. Oh, but they're daydreaming. They're meditating. Oh, God, I want them to use their imaginations. I had to use mine. They probably are. They're staring out of a window. You don't know what's going on. in there. I dread to think actually

but anyway look let's on a more positive note yeah I want to show you something I've got a muscle I grew one do you want to see it? Yeah show me it okay here we go there oh my god that is a muscle doing weights

I know I am doing it why didn't you do that for your recent like why didn't you do what you're doing now for your portrait pictures that would have been really flex a visc like that wait yeah that wasn't that wasn't there when you got the pitchers done no probably not I've been doing weights every day

and look at that I've got muscle let me see you and I can't because I've got a jumper on you can't see mine I've got a jumper on yeah I know but mine's got one of those like wrist bits oh no you can't do it yeah anyway my muscles are so big my muscles are so big that I can't get my jumper to go over them I've just done that and my elbow looks like your elbow what that's look like a goad that that is terrible when your elbow starts to look like a That is gay.

Oh, my knees and my elbows are four gonads, mate. Oh, four gonads. Well, it's good to know, isn't it? That when you get to our age, that gonads start to grow on your joints. Right. Who are we talking to? Today, we're talking to Rebecca Front. This is actually a high point.

I'm so excited about this. I think I actually managed myself very well in this conversation. You coached brilliantly because you did, didn't I? You fangled her at the top. I know, and then I left it. And then you left it. I had to. I was like, don't start. I could see you coping.

I wanted to and then I went, yeah, you've got to hold it back, haven't you? Otherwise you look like a weirdo. But anyway, I really enjoyed this conversation, Rebecca. And I feel like we talked about stuff that perhaps, you know, Rebecca hasn't talked about another conversation. Well, she said she's talked about her career a lot in interviews. So she was quite looking forward to talking about other things. And this was, I have to say, a wonderful conversation. Okay, I'm recording.

just in case anyone's interested. Okay, just putting that out there. You'd never know we've done load of these. I can tell. You're looking very relaxed. Very professional outfit. Well, we all know how to press record. This is not our first rodeo.

It's what happens afterwards. You say that. You say that. But both of us... I know, but it's giving off the vibe that we're utterly incompetent. And I don't want to give Rebecca that vibe. No, listen. Fair enough.

I don't want to give her that vibe. In fact, I feel like you've introduced that vibe because the vibe I had offered Rebecca was one of, I'm letting you know, it's recording. Rebecca, thank you so much for joining us. I want to, well, let's go to your photographs. I think I know which one is the first one, but you tell me which is the first picture. Why don't I, why don't we do that? So the first picture is a picture of a rather glamorous blonde in the 1960s, curled up on a sofa. So glamorous.

with a cat. And that glamorous blonde is my mum, who it's actually a modelling shot. She was a teacher, in fact. She was a primary school teacher throughout her career. But she was a bit of a look at. And my dad at the time was working in advertising. This is a real kind of madman time, you know. Yeah.

So she did a little bit of modelling. She did sort of the odd advert. She had a side hustle. She had a side hustle. Yeah, because teaching, as you know, doesn't pay that well. So I don't know quite what this was for. I think it may have been a magazine shoot or something. I know she did a campaign for some shoes

and a campaign for a bandit chocolate. So I don't know whether this was part of that. But this was probably actually just before I was born, I would have thought. I was just about to ask if it was pre or post kids. I'm pretty sure she'd probably have my brother at that point, but not me. My brother's four years older than me. But I just love it because, I mean, I love it because it's a beautiful image anyway. But also my mum died, in fact, two years ago this week.

So we've been, she's very, very much on our minds. And this photo is one that when she died, my daughter sort of cobbled together the program. Well, you don't call it the program. What do you call it the memorial brochure thing? Yeah, I don't know what you call it. Brochet sounds wrong. Yeah, I think you can say program. It felt like a program because we had lots of music and we had nice readings and things.

But anyway, this was on the cover of that because it's just that's the way she would want to be remembered. You know, obviously she died when she was in her 80s. She was still, to the end, very glamorous, always dressed, always had that kind of matching accessories thing of women for that generation. And was always, she, we had a really lovely close relationship.

But there was always that thing of, you know, I'd get ready to go out in the evening. And she'd go, I have got some gloves that match that if you want. It's taking up to you. Not a problem. And I go now I'm fine. I'm fine like that,

I'm honestly, even though they're two different greens. I think I'll coat. It just never passed me by. It never bothered me. Because she used to do things, she and her sister used to do things like, you know,

getting, they would get shoes dyed to the exact shade and all that kind of stuff. I mean, can you think of anybody in our generation or my generation who would do that? Nobody would think to do that. I think my mom was utterly appalled with denim of any kind.

She used to refer to as cowboy trousers. Right. And could not understand any of my fashion choices growing up. She was like, why don't you want to look elegant? Why don't you want to look? You know, why don't you care about your silhouette? I was like, I don't. Oh, that's interesting.

I don't even know what that means. And as I get older, I think, oh, do you know what? She had a point because I look back at pictures and I looked like I'd just been dragged through a bush backwards. I'm going to really bear in mind my silhouette now going forward. I think there's a really good word. I'm not sure I have one. I don't think I've got one. And if I have, I don't want to know what it looks like.

She has definitely styled her bracelet and her heel. It's all tying in really beautifully. Absolutely. It's got that sort of, she used to occasionally get mistaken for Kim Novak. And she has absolutely got that. Oh, wow. She has got a Kim Novak start. You know what?

She has got a real Kim Novak look there. That's so true. I mean, that's a great compliment, isn't it? It is, isn't it? Wow. Which I suspect is how I know about it. I think she may have mentioned it for that reason. What upsets me in a sense, looking back, is that I don't think she ever fully appreciated how gorgeous she was.

I think she, again, it's probably generational. It's also to do with gender, you know. I think she always had that thing of, I'm not enough, you know, I'm not good enough. My dad clearly adored her and, you know, just, and all. always adored her right the way through their marriage, right through to the end. But I think there was a sense in her that she was never, I don't know, I don't think she ever quite saw herself as we do when we look at that picture. That's so common of women, many generations, isn't it?

It's a commonly held belief that women get right to the end of their lives and go, why did I, well, when was I so hard on myself, I was stunning, you know. Absolutely. Some of this stuff comes up with my mum as well. But I think she always made a point of not passing it on. on. Yeah, I think my mum did actually as well. She always made me feel, as I say, I mean, there'd be these sort of little finessing things like do you not want to wear, you know, earrings that match. But other than that, in terms of me, she always made me feel like I was lovely and I was beautiful and she loved the way I looked and she'd picked, you know, lovely photos of me and say, look how you look in that. Oh my things are so gorgeous. Yeah. I mean, she was both mom and dad.

Dad, thankfully, is still around. Yeah. They always supported me and Jeremy, my brother, massively. You know, it was just like we could do no wrong, really. Yeah. And I really have appreciated that as life's gone on and you get, you know, buffeted by this problem and that problem. There's something about having that core belief that you're great because two people have told you that. Yeah, it counts for an awful lot.

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This is such a cute picture, Rebecca. Look at your face. It's adorable. Thank you for saying cute. I actually picked it because I have never seen a decent picture of me. I always look ridiculous. And I think what... It's the hat, isn't it? It's the hat.

The hat is trying to sort of some kind of dignity. I like it. He's got a Doris Day vibe. I like it. Oh yeah. Okay. No, it's probably about

that sort of vintage as well. I always say, you know, in interviews and stuff like that, well, I didn't set out to be a comedy actor. I set out just to act. And then I look at it. What was I thinking? That was always going to happen.

I had the most enormous face. I mean, actually, to be fair, as I get older, it's going that way again. But it was honestly as wide as it was long my face. You've got gorgeous little hamster cheeks. What are you talking about?

They're the cutest cheeks. And I would seriously on a regular basis get things like my mum would take me to the doctor with a sore throat or something and they go, oh mumps. And she goes, no, no, you asked me that last time. No, no. She's got a throat infection. It just, they were absurdly large, my cheeks.

Huge face. It's so cute. And it wasn't even just the face. I think my head was just too big. for my body. Was there a lot of accidents falling over? There were. I always put that down to just being slightly clumsy, but maybe you're right. I think it was gravity.

Yes. I love that idea. And also it takes all the blame out of it as well. Yeah, exactly. But I've yet to show a single childhood photo of myself to my kids without them just going, oh, mom. You'd think one of them would make them go, oh, you're so curious. There's a generation of like, photograph.

perfection. Like, you know, there weren't as many. We didn't have selfie sticks and all that stuff. Imagine if I'd had a filter to make my cheeks slightly more defined. Oh, well then we would have made missing out on this glorious photograph, Rebecca. You're kidding. How old are you? I don't actually know.

It's from a larger picture where it's me and my brother and Father Christmas. It's one of those sort of slightly terrifying staged photos with Father Christmas. probably from West's in Ilford or I don't know but I'm guessing it would have been sort of local Father Christmas visit and I think I think my brother's looking Oh that's right in the big photo My brother's holding a

Something like an Air Fix model I think Right I don't seem to be holding anything which might account for the fact That I've got a slightly querelless expressions Which means Father Christmas didn't give you a gift? I think he probably did Maybe the photo was taken before the gift was handed over I'm not quite sure

I can't believe only Jeremy got the gift, but I will have words with him after this just to find out. I have to ask you about your brother, Jeremy, because I remember quite a long time ago, it must have been a few years back, I'm listening to an interview. I think it was on Chain Reaction. Oh, yeah. Where I think Jeremy was interviewing you. That's right, yeah. And then I don't know who you went to go on an interview.

I interviewed Chris Addison and Jeremy interviewed me. Oh, that's it, Chris Addison. So I really, this is one of my favorite episodes, partly because I love listening to siblings talk. That's just one of my favorite things. Yeah. And I really found it fascinating about your childhood when you were growing up as a young girl in Gantzhill and how you would have these incredible sort of anxiety about something happening to your mum.

Yeah. Is that, is that? And I remember. I remember listening to that going, do you know what, that is really weird because I had a very similar thing. Did you? I would have, yes, I would have this huge anxiety, I'd be on my way to school. And I think I was a bit older than you. So I think you had it quite young and I had it sort of in my early teens.

And I'd go and I go, oh my God, it's mom okay. What if something happens to mum? And it was a really weird kind of like sense of impending doom that would just swallow me up. And then I heard you talking about it in this particular. interview with your brother and I was like I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about that's so interesting in fact I was probably not at a similar age I was 11 when it when that kicked in with me so I think part of it is to do with that's the first time for many children when you're away from home away from parents nobody's taking you to school you're just you know off walking to

school on your own or with a friend or something so it's that little bit of independence but you're still very much a child um for me it was triggered um massively triggered by an event, which was in the holiday just before I started at secondary school, my dad nearly drowned. So we were on a little picnic by the river and what we think happened because my brother was with him. They were literally paddling up to their shins, no deep than that. We think my dad tripped and got caught in the sort of current of some tree roots. So there was like this sort of weird current by the bank and he just couldn't get out of it. and he was being dragged under.

My brother was, my brother screamed for help. And eventually after he, and he'd gone down under the water a good, you know, sort of three times, I think. He thought he was dying the way he tells it. And my brother did too. And then thankfully some guys way, ran into the water and grabbed him and pulled him out. And he was, and then this woman ran through the crowd and she was a nurse. And she said, turn him on his side and whack him on the back and get the water out of his lungs. So she knew exactly what to do.

Thank God. But it was incredibly traumatic, as you can imagine. And then I started, oh, then about two days after that, my grandfather died. So that was horrible. Oh, Rebecca. And then the following week I started secondary school. So that was the point for me where I thought, okay, you know, dad nearly copped it. Grandpa did cop it.

Obviously, it's mum next. So I better just not go to school. I better stay with her. And it became school phobia. And I couldn't go to school for quite a long time. So yeah, it was a. really, really difficult part of like, it didn't go on that long. It was less than a year in total. How did they, I was out of school for a while? How did they react or cope with it?

Mum and Dad. Yeah. And Gem. Oh, it was, it put an enormous strain on everything because my mum was a teacher, but, you know, suddenly couldn't teach because how could she? You know, I had to be at home all the time. And so it put a lot of strain on her. And, and, and, and, And I think the homeschooling was sort of joyless and horrible, really. Even though I loved being at home and I loved being with my parents, I wasn't there through choice. I was there because I felt physically unable to leave. It's interesting because now there is a lot more conversations about school refusing. And there's a language.

There's language for it now. I suppose COVID maybe. Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. It's become much more common. But there probably wasn't then. psychologist in order to change school because one of the issues was that my new school was a bus ride away and I felt I could not be that distance from her from mum just needed to know you could get at home quick yeah so the next sort of grammar school because that was what we had back then

nearby was the one that my mum herself had gone to which she really hated she didn't want me to go there at all but I insisted I had to change school because that one was only a little walk away and I'd feel safer and I could come home if I wanted to do at lunchtime and all that kind of stuff. And did that help? It did once I'd settled at school, but the child psychologist, to be honest, just didn't understand me at all. Right. Didn't understand what was going on. So that almost failed.

And then it was only really because the one teacher at the school on the day that I was first brought in just got it, just understood, cottoned on and said, okay, I think we can sort this. I know what to do. and she amazingly got me back into schooling. Oh, wow. She's one of the people who changed my life. Yeah, I'm going to say, one of yours. Yeah, totally.

And she thankfully knew it because I stayed in touch with her. But that was just an incredible thing that she did. She just saw this little confused weeping child and thought, yeah, I can probably sort this out. And she did it. So I just had an understanding of mental health or emotional intelligence. Yeah, I think so. What she came up with, which was brilliant,

was she said, my mum was in addition to being a teacher and a model was also used to write children's stories. Oh my God, there's how many strings? I know. And so this teacher said, oh, you know, I hear you write stories, Mrs. Fron. And she said, yes, I do. And she said, we know we've got a marvellously well-equipped library here. Why don't you come and write one in our library and maybe research stuff? Ah, very clever.

So clever. So, in other words, come to school with Rebecca and we'll see what happens. And it worked within a week, I think. I just said, yeah, I don't need you there now because I've got this teacher there. And then you started to thrive academically. Yeah, I had a, it was a lot to do with this teacher. I'm not naming her only because when I did a little drama about her years ago. She was really delighted to be involved, but also said, please don't give my real name.

So I haven't. I don't know why, but I respect that. But I think because I had her there, I wanted to achieve a lot. her as much as anything. And did you find that as you got older, as you sort of hit adolescence, that that anxiety not disappeared, but did it lessen? Did you find that you were much more confident as you entered your teens? I think I've always had anxiety problems.

So I've had panic attacks a lot throughout my life. So anxiety often morphs from one thing into another. I think that anxiety around something terrible happening to my mum, then became something terrible happening to me or to my children or do you know what I mean? It's just, it just moves with you. Unless you tackle it and you really have to be kind of aggressive in the way you tackle anxiety, as with a lot of things, you know, whether it's therapy or whether it's medication or a combination of all those things, you have to tackle it.

You can't just kind of think, oh, hopefully that will just go. You have to actually deal with it, unfortunately. And I think it took me a long time to realise that. Is this your dad the next picture? It's my dad looking, again, I've deliberately picked very cool pictures of my parents. Your parents were so cool. A little bit on the glam side. Yeah, that's my dad.

I think he was an art student at that point, but he, the story he... Am I right? I read that he designed the cover of rubber soul? He did, yes. Oh, that's incredible. He did, well, not the photo. He did the lettering, the rubber soul letters. The lettering, yeah, the writing.

and the footprint? Yeah, absolutely. Oh my God. No, he's really cool. He's 95 now and he's incredibly cool. But when he was at art school, he went to some do, you know, like a dance or something. And there were lots of kind of kids that he knew,

teenagers that he knew. And one of them went up to the band leader and said, you've got to let Charlie sing because he's really good. My dad was mortified. But eventually they kind of just kept saying, come on, Charlie, come on. So he went, okay.

final. I'll sing a couple of songs. So he did a few, I think, Danny Kaye songs or something. And it's classic, you know, like in a film, the band leader at the end of it. And he was one of the biggest big band leaders in London, a guy called Oscar Rabin. And apparently he went up to my dad and said, do you want to join the band? Do you want to be a singer in the band? And dad said, well, actually I'm an art student. I'm not a trained singer or anything. And he said, well, all right, just come and do the odd gig. So that's him doing a gig somewhere. So that was his side hustle. That was his side hustle. That was his side hustle. He, well, except that...

On the side of art. He stopped when he... He stopped after about two years. He said the nerves were so bad. He used to feel sick every time. Yeah, but you get past it. Well, that's when I would have thought, you know. You get past it.

But he didn't enjoy it. He just didn't enjoy it. No. So in the end, he just stuck with, you know, doing the art. Designing the Beatles albums and things like that. How amazing. I mean, does your father, like, When you were a child, did he used to sing in the house?

Did you used to hear your father's voice? He did. Sounds like really lovely kind of jazz, like a crooner voice. You know what I mean? Wow. Yeah. Jazz tenor kind of. And we used to sing together all the time.

Really? Sometimes all four of us, which really makes it sound like the von Trapp children. But often it was just me and dad doing the washing up and the drying up. And he'd start a song and I'd do a harmony. And we kind of sit. So we did. We sang together all the time. Rebecca, have you got some pipes?

Are you telling me that you're a good singer? I can sing and I generally sing harmonies rather than I like, I'm interested in harmonies. I like harmonies. So yeah, I have now. I've done a couple of musicals and I've recorded a tiny bit. I did Company, Sondheim's Company, not the most recent one. There was one on years ago that Sam Mendes directed and I was in that. And then I did a two-hander straight after that, which was also Sondheim called Mary

me a little. And I vowed never to do another two-hander musical. That's a lot. Two-Hander. Yeah, the pressure on you. On your voice as well. Horrible. I hated doing that. There were lovely people I was doing it with, but I just thought, I can't do this. I was terrified every time somebody coughed near me. You know, I'd just think, oh, no, I can't my voice. So yeah, but I used to sing a lot. I used to be in a musical double act when I first started. And so singing was a big part of my thing. And I just don't do it any.

I mean, I sing around the house. And I sing, you know, in the bath and stuff. But I don't perform singing anymore, which in a way is a shame. But I just, it's never really fitted in with what I do particularly. Kerry, what happens when you sing in your house? Everybody asks me to stop. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm a terrible singer.

I can't even sing happy birthday. Are you actually completely, are you tone deaf? I thought, well, for a long time I thought, oh, maybe I can just bang out a jazzy number, but then after a while it became clear I couldn't even do that. Oh. Yeah. I think it's fine. I think it's okay.

The last time my husband asked me to stop, I did get a bit tearful. And then I thought, okay, I think it's best to know what you can and can't do. Know your limitations. No, your limitations. I can't sing either. I mean, but I do know. No, not at all. I had no a friend who did now,

ladies of a certain age, doing things that they want to do or like to do for pleasure. And she did some singing lessons because she similarly was always told she couldn't sing. And she just loved it and had a wonderful time and could sing. It's also, I think,

incredibly, going back to that mental health thing, it's really good for your mental health because when you're singing, you're having to breathe rhythmically, you're having to focus on your breathing, all of which of course is the sort of thing you learn to do with relaxation exercises. Exactly. You're absolutely in the moment and there are so many, you're kind of multitasking. So you're thinking about your breathing, you're thinking about the lyrics, you're thinking about the note.

You're not thinking what am I stressing about? Totally. So I find it really relaxing. And choirs, I mean, oh my God, the people I know that are in choirs, they are evangelical about it. I can believe it. Yeah, the joy. I think I'd like, the thing is, I love. listening to groups of people singing.

So if I go to a musical and there's chorus or whatever, I love it. I absolutely love listening. And I often listen to it. Oh God, I wish I could sort of join in. But I think if I did, everyone would be like, pipe down. We're trying to create a melody here. But it is something very moving.

And I think as I get older, I don't know if it's something to do with my age or the menopause, but now when I listen to groups of people singing, I'm well up. I'm about to start crying. I don't know why. I'm just like, I'm like, it's so beautiful. singing. It is. It really is. It sort of really hits you, doesn't it? It's quite a kind of, I don't know, I think that's why it's quite emotive. It really is. It gets you on a kind of visceral level. And I think

that's why I love harmony so much because for me, it's lots of voices singing in harmony is the thing that absolutely gets me. It sets that feeling on the back of your neck when all the hair stand up. That's what gets me. There is, you're, it's something you, I watched a recent documentary about Laurel Canyon, which I wouldn't recommend, it was a bit boring. But the bit where Crosby, Stills and Nash found those harmonies, when that clicked, they sort of were hanging out and making music and couldn't quite find what they were looking for. And then they started to harmonise. Yeah. And just the absolute magic that they unlocked by doing those harmonies was just it was an incredible thing. When you see it happen, when you see people, I'm going to say the

uncool thing now but when I was at primary school I had my own barbershop quartet go oh my god go back if you will to look at that picture very much on brand I'm actually I'm totally invested look at that picture of me with a big fat face we didn't wear boat as I'm glad to say but it was all about the harmony because there is something about four people five people whatever is all singing a different thing and it just comes together and you think oh my goodness this is incredible or if you were my brother and happened to be walking through the hall what is going on you just think what the hell is she doing that is the ultimate in creative connection with other creative people like you get it sometimes

when you're acting or doing comedy or when you just sometimes all like that skipping thing when there's three ropes and you're like oh my god we're all together we're in sync and it's magic absolutely no it's a wonderful wonderful thing I wish I hadn't mentioned the barbershop. Oh, I'm so glad you now. I'm so glad you did. Can't get the image of you

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Yeah, we're around either watching these commercials on TV or sitting with our moms while they were doing their makeup and it became really personal for us. What's this next picture? Is this the one of the, is that a cockapoo? That is the cutest dog. Oh yes. Sorry, I beg you pardon.

I was trying to think what the picture was. That is indeed my cockapoo Bailey. The significance of this picture, I mean, you know, listen, I have to put a picture of Bailey in because I'm that kind of woman. We never had, I didn't grow up with animals at all. And so having a dog is, this is my first dog and it's a whole new thing for me. But the reason we all love this. picture is because sadly we got Bailey as a puppy so you know there's that limitation on you you can't bring them home for the first eight weeks or

whatever it is yeah so it's quite strict when you can when they've had their jabs and all that and when you can bring them home and the day that we brought him home happened to be the day before my poor son who had waited since the age of five to have a dog was about to go off travelling for a year oh bad timing so he's really bad timing so he finally gets a dog and he had to leave and I can't remember whether it was me or my husband took the picture, but someone said, oh, pose with Bailey and we'll take a picture.

And, of course, the only thing that you see of our son is his legs. And it's all about baili. He's very much out of frame. And very much, you know, when Ollie, my son saw that picture, he just went, okay. I get it. Now I see, I've been usurped in this family. I've never seen a dog sitting on its bum like that.

That's not even a thing. He's a bit like a little old man He's kind of the me version of a cockapoo Actually being in that funny furry bonnet He's a strange little man dog He just doesn't behave like normal dogs at all A very expressive face Yeah

Like his face is like already telling you everything you need to know Is like I don't know what I'm sitting here If you Google there's a 1960s Comedy actor called Graham Stark He used to be in carry-on films and things like that Anyway, if you Google Graham Stark, you'll see what my cockapoo looks like. It's exactly this sort of, this kind of, huh? Puzzled.

Bewildered by the modern world, I always think. And you've fully embraced the life of a dog owner. Do you like the walks, the small talk, picking up poo, all of it? Absolutely my joy. The walk every day is the highlight of my day. Picking up poo is not a highlight of anybody's day, let's be honest. But I'm happy to do it because I love Bailey so much. but yeah I'm totally he sleeps on our bed

I never ever thought I can't have gone over to the other side I've gone over to the dark side you've won 80ed you've got 80ed completely he's totally won my heart I'm so sweet I live in a house where we don't have any pets

like when I was a kid we had cats and that's about it but we never had dogs and my children are desperate for a dog and we have been very much no dogs and then my partner who Kerry knows Chloe, she's very much the matriarch in our house. She said to me, oh, yeah, maybe we all got a dog.

And I was like, what? She went, yeah, maybe we'll get a dog, but we'll wait till the kids have left home. And I was like, ah. Oh, that's cruel. I said, but the children want a dog now. She's like, no, no, no, no, we can't have two children and a dog. We'll wait until the children are gone. Then we'll get a dog.

I was like, okay, and you have done that very thing. We did that very thing, although slightly accidentally. It wasn't meant to be quite that crueler transition. But yeah, of course, there is that thing of, it's an awful lot of commitment to have two kids and an animal to look after. One of the real joys with having him is because he does look a little bit like an old fogey. And my daughter, during lockdown when, you know, we were all really struggling, weren't we mentally. And also there was sort of, you know, there was a lot of stuff online about, I don't know, kind of vaccine refusing. and people kind of getting furors with each other

and everybody seemed to be getting angrier and angrier. And when a lot of kind of negative political stuff started coming up online, my daughter would look at Bailey, who has the cutest little face and say, he agrees. And it's absolutely stuck. So now there's a whole...

He's an anti-vaxxer. Or anything, any kind of conspiracy theory. Yeah, he's a conspiracy theory. And we still do it. And all our friends join in with it now. I get little messages of, If there's someone on the telly, you know, spouting conspiracy theories, I'll get a little text message saying,

Bette Bailey's agreeing with what Tom Cattle for. That's a really good plan of coping with extremists. Yeah, exactly. Rebecca, you're going to enter into the podcasting frame. Oh, you're joining the pod community. I am. Well, everybody else is. Yes, you know. I feel it was about time.

I'm absolutely delighted that you're doing it. I'm great. I'm so enjoying it because I've done quite a few already. and they haven't gone out yet but, or no, haven't dropped. Is that amazing, the retargon? Oh, that's what we say, yeah. You've got the lingo. You've got the lingo.

But I listen to podcasts all the time. I'm one of those obsessive people who I spend my whole time just going, did you hear the one about, did you hear the episode with? Same. So I thought it was about time I actually got into doing one. Yes, you don't want to be a lurker. You want to be a participator, don't you? I mean, for me, I wanted to do something that was,

because a few people had mentioned the idea of, talking to actors I've worked with about acting and blah, blah, which is a lovely idea. But also I just thought, oh, I don't know. It feels a bit, you know, self-indulgent and a bit kind of lovey. And then my husband came up with this idea of that everybody thinks that there are people who've changed their life in some way. And he said, you know, what you want is a simple framework. Like, you know, tell me about the three people who changed your life.

And I just thought that's such a simple but lovely graspable idea. Because people do, people can change your life in all different ways for, you know, in a bad way, in a good way, in a lasting way. It could be a fleeting comment or it could be somebody who's changed your career. It could be someone who helped you with when you were rearing kids. There's all sorts of stuff that could come up from that. So that's what I'm really enjoying is that actually, although they are at the moment, they're all kind of performing. or writers or whatever that I've done. They're not talking really about their careers very much, which I'm really enjoying.

And yeah, and I think we've got, I think we're starting with Armando Yanucci. We've got Peter Capaldi. We've got Richard Herring, Nikki Campbell. We've got loads of brilliant people. I mean, you've very successfully managed, very modestly, to skirt around your hugely successful career. I didn't, I didn't notice that. Very impressive. I have to say there was some real skills there with the photographs that you chose

to almost completely circumvent your clip. I just thought you wouldn't want to hear all that because I've done interviews about all that. You've done that. Well, I like to hear about it. It's a lovely premise. It reminds me of that clip. Do you remember when that Adele clip went viral when she got her old teacher up on stage? Yeah, absolutely.

And it was just so moving. It was beautiful, yeah, really lovely. So I'm hoping it all have that. Yeah, I'm sure lots of people would love to talk about it. and thank the people, you know, because not everyone's going to write a memoir. So these podcasts are where they get to tell these stories. Absolutely. Yeah, that's the plan.

It sounds brilliant. Thank you. Thanks so much, Rebecca. Take care. Bye-bye. Have you seen the substance? No, I haven't, but you have told me I need to see it. Oh, my God.

Okay, is this something I should, is it a date thing? So does it clow on it? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It blew my mind. Can I, can I, can I? I also say that the last time that you recommended a film. Yeah, go on.

The last time that you recommended a film for me and Chloe to watch. And you said it's absolutely brilliant. You've got to go and see it in the cinema. Yeah. That was, what's that one with Brian Keough? Oh, Saltburn. Yeah, you said go watch Saltburn. I love the Saltburn.

Suggesting, like it was like this really, I don't know what you were suggesting. This is a good film. Yeah, okay. But when we watched it and I said, Chloe, yeah, apparently we're going to enough this. I don't know what a date film is. I don't mean a date film. You never gave an,

you never even gave a slight nod to what to expect. So when he was pumping a grave? Yeah. Oh, I love the dry humping a grave. Dry humping a grave and serping up semen from a bathtub. Yeah.

I think you could have given me an inch there. You haven't seen anything like that before, have you? No, I haven't actually, to be fair. No, if I'm honest. Go watch the substance. I feel like the substance might well be on the same vein. Oh, Jesus. You know what you think there's nowhere left to go?

Oh, there's more to go. Are you kidding? Oh, it's so good. Great. Do you think Demi Moore is going to get an Oscar? Oh, have they done the Noms yet? Yeah, she has been nominated, I think. Oh.

I don't know because I haven't seen the other Noms, but she is great. Do her elbows look like a good, have, she's got donuts, praying for a choice. Her elbows are the least of her problems by the end of that film. Hoofed, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just go and see it. I want to watch you watching it. Could you GoPro your face whilst you're watching the substance?

Go pro my face. I would pay to watch you watching the substance. Um, I can't. I feel really nervous about this in the film. but I do want to go and see it Yeah, please do Great I've got Instagram

Just threw up another reel for me Which was how many If you're 50 You probably only have 23 years left to live 167 weekends And by the end of it I was like

Fucking hell I'm gonna be dead soon Yeah I think it was supposed to make me feel good Like But by the end of it was like That's not That's not long

That's not long And it's making me feel very sad But something to think about yeah something to think about for sure if you put that out there the algorithms well that's what it will do

give you things to think about that's what it seems to be telling you yeah we've all we can all agree that I don't need to do any more thinking no we're having very different algorithms I'm getting sent the women that knit with their arms and

still yeah I love those girls you've been getting that for about a year and kimchi oh I love kimchi I just I had some today I'm all about kimchi I'm actually due to make some Are you going to make some?

Yeah Have you made it before? No I think we just had a peek behind the curtain Of your whole personality Just total fucking assurance And then total confession of ignorance In less than a heartbeat

I'm going to make him jeep. I don't know how. How hard can it be? It's just fermented cabbage, isn't it? I can move cabbage out on the shelf. I googled it the other day because I thought how hard can it be? All I'm going to say is this, disinfect the jar. I fell down at disinfect the jar.

You've got to disinfect the jar. Okay, but why? Because of the bacteria. I guess that's true, yeah. But I mean, the minute someone's telling me to disinfect something, I'm like, I'm out. Oh, I'm out. I'm out. I don't want to get involved.

What about the toilet? Yeah, I know. That's easy. You just put a bit of bleach around the ring. But I don't want to have to disinfect a jar. I feel like a pharmacist. It's like, oh, forget it. Forget it.

Forget it. It's meant to be fun. So, all right, okay. Anytime, like when you're... You start a fun thing and then someone starts using words like disinfect. This is like when I did that paddy course years ago to do the deep diving and I went on a quick course and they started talking about the bends. And I was like, oh, forget it. Forget it.

I don't know about the fucking bends. I want to look at fish. Not that fun. Also, I mean, with the greatest respect, how deep are you going? Oh my God. How did you need to go? Forget it. Forget it. I'll just be like sort of superficially diving and you guys do proper diving.

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