Memory Lane with Kerry Godliman and Jen Brister - S04 E11: Kemah Bob

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

"I was doing short form improv... There were so many 29 year old white guys named Zac... And I was like we're camping again?!" We have the wonderfully awesome stand-up @KemahBob on the podcast this week talking about racism, colonic irrigations, moving to London and sooooo much more. You have to see Kemah is on tour! - https://www.kemahbob.com/tour Plus Kerry is back alongside Jen to chat about the hottest topics like gardening, edibles and (accidental) flobbing... Amongst other things. JEN & KERRY STAND-UP TOURS Kerry's 2025 tour is on sale now - https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/kerry-godliman-tickets/artist/1866728 Jen's 2025 tour is on sale now - https://www.jenbrister.co.uk/tour/ PHOTOS PHOTO 1: Growing up in Houston PHOTO 2: Drama studies PHOTO 3: Beauty pageant PHOTO 4: My London haircut PHOTO 5: My mum PHOTO 6: My podcast PICS & MORE - https://www.instagram.com/memory_lane_podcast/ A Dot Dot Dot Production produced by Joel Porter Hosted by Jen Brister & Kerry Godliman Distributed by Keep It Light Media Sales and advertising enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello and welcome to Memory Lane. I'm Jen Bristair and I'm Kerry Godleman. Each week we'll be taking a trip down Memory Lane with our very special guest as they bring in four photos from their lives to talk about. To check out the photos we'd be having a natter with them about, they're on the episode image and you can also see them a little bit more clearly on our Instagram page. So have a little look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy together. Kerry! Hi!

Do you feel how we change the energy? Yes. It was quite a lot of energy. What's it when they do that on? It's called applause. No, I know that. But isn't it something that sound people do? Yeah, they do.

They do to start to go like we're starting to record. Sometimes like if you're doing sound thing, they go like that to get everything six. That's exactly what I was doing. Yeah, it's good. I did it. Okay. Yeah. Did you, you didn't pick up on that?

No. No. I thought it was like a drama game. It could have been a drama game. I'm going, like, zips, zoying. Boing, boing, boing, boing, not soing. Anyway, I was going to tell you about a program I've been watching, but you say you hate things like that. No.

So I'm going to talk about something else now. No, I wasn't, you were going to talk about the program, which was school swap, swap school. School swap. School squop. I've been watching some telly, but I've also been gardening. Oh, no. It's that time of year. It's that time of year, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've got lots to do. for the weekend. Daffodils? Some of them have gone now. We've gone through Daffodils. Although we have had some new ones spread up called Dwarf Dills. I don't think you can say that anymore. Dwarfidels?

What are we calling them? Small daffodils. I'm pretty sure. I think it said it on a packet. We're not saying that. But not like only in as much as that they're small. Okay. Can we edit that bit?

Cut that. What was I going to say? I have been putting planting seeds. Are you been planting seeds? Oh my God. Are we allowed to say seeds? You can't say anything anymore. You can't say anything anymore.

You can't say boomer. You can't say boomer. You can't say boomer. I've been planting seats. Have you? I was really hoping that there'd be an end to this anecdote. Well, I'll tell you at the end, come June. The end will be sprouting.

Sprouting. Plant. I'm excited for you. The cycle of life. The cycle of life. No. No. Not acceptable.

I'm excited about the tulips. Are you going to do tomatoes this year? These are the burning questions that I have for you. I'll never forget once. I've sat in your garden. Did you? And there were so many tomatoes. Yes, that must have been a good year.

Sometimes we have bad years. That was a good year. You had a good year that year. We had a bumpy year. We will probably do tomatoes if Chloe plants. Oh, it's Chloe's department. Of course it's not me. Oh, why would you think it was me?

I don't know. I don't know either. Because of your Mediterranean. Mediterranean. Oh, you think we're just growing tomatoes. You just do it naturally. Just grow tomatoes. I'm going to surprise you and say we don't have any oranges.

We don't have any severe oranges. They are hard to grow. They are hard to grow. We will probably have tomatoes. Can you let me know because I'm quite invested in other people's planting anecdotes? Okay. Last year we did tomatoes and peas and radishes. and some sort of sprout,

onions and potatoes. That's a great. That's a great crop for that yard. Because you've got a small, you've got a bright garden. We did it in the, Chloe's... Did it the front? The front, vegetable patch of the front. Oh, brilliant.

Yeah, yeah. So we did, and then we do a bucket of potatoes. Wow, do you get the kids involved? Yeah, the kids are involved. In as much as they stand and watch me fill a bucket full of earth. I'm not doing potatoes again. You're not doing them again? No, because there's a lot of,

of effort and they're not great looking plants like some edibles are pretty aren't they like the beans the flowers the beans are lovely yeah I and I quite like a tomato chard is beautiful rainbow chard but a potato it's quite an ugly little fella and I don't really want to get involved in it but when you make your own potatoes when you grow your own washing then you got dig them and then what happens is

you peel them or you don't peel them depending on what kind of potatoes you've got and then you serve them to people and you go you'll never guess what I make what I grew those potatoes And that feeling of satisfaction that you get telling someone that you grew a potato, often they don't care. They frequently say, you know, they're only like 58p a bag. Yeah, they just are. They don't say the difference to the potatoes I've got from the co-op.

But you know that they're your potatoes and I think that makes all the difference. And you can say, doesn't it taste different? It does taste different. Yeah. And they'll go, not really. Okay, yeah. Yeah. But you know they're not really different.

There's no smuggery, like the smuggery that is available from growing your own food. Listen, when we grew our peas, I can't even talk about it. How many did you go? Four or five? We had probably less than half a cup. I mean, this is the bottom line. When you are growing edibles, you really, when you harvest your crop. Don't say edibles.

Oh, is that because it's drugs? Yeah, don't say it. But they are edibles. Our gardeners own the phrase edibles over the drug dealers. I'm so sorry, you've lost it. No. You can't start saying you've been growing edibles. Yeah, but they're in public.

I'm sorry, Kerry, that's gone now. You can't have to part. The parlance of drugs taking over from the parlance of gardening. No, one is saying edibles. Everyone's saying vegetables. No, because it's fruit as well. Well, fruitables then. And herbs.

Okay. Edibles. I'm going to let you say edibles to me. But it doesn't mean that I'm talking about gummies. When we go to Glastonbury, you start talking about growing edibles. Don't be surprised if people start queuing outside your van, okay? Well, they'll get some carrots and some tomatoes. Yeah, and half a cup of peas.

Oh, when we cook those peas and the children ate them, they had six each. It was a delight. Honestly, the amount of effort it takes to make some... And you've got to pod those bloody peas. Anyone would think that the internet hadn't been invented when you're putting a pee. Yeah, podding a pee when they're frozen. Literally down the road. Yeah.

No, I know. It's a hard, earnest path, but it's a path worth worth. A path worth worth worth. I can't speak today. Three or four times it felt like language has shipped out of my gob, which is awful for someone who's a public speaker for a job. Yeah, it's terrible. I've flobbed over people all over the nation on this tour. I've flobbed over people in Dorset.

Yeah. Flobbed over the Welsh in Cardiff. Well, I've flobbed up north and I've flogged down south. Yeah. You've got to keep flopping. Don't sit in the front row, guys, because you will get flogged on. You're like, I want any jokes, not the weather. Yeah, but you and I get worked up, and so that's when the flobbing comes.

I should stand back, though. Yeah, I feel like we both need to stand back. Or maybe hand out those good ghouls like they do at, like, theme parks. Did you say gaggles? Gaggles? Giggles. Gaggles. Cuggles.

Oh my God. I can't believe you said gaggles. Giggles. Yes, okay. It's caggle. Anyway, do you think it's reasonable to hand out cagulls? Are you going to be having out... Only if you get sponsored.

Only if you get sponsored. I said Gib. Did you say Gip? Right, shut this down now, Joel. Shut it down. You know when you text... gig and it just says gif, how many times have you had to go, I meant gig? I think never.

Oh my God, it just automatically says gif. Well, it's like when I sign my name off as Jen and it comes up as Ken. I'm like, how does my phone not know I'm Jen? I mean, like, how many times I thought AI was clever? Yeah, I tell my phone, there's no Ken here. No. There's no Ken. Stop signing me off as Ken.

There's no Ken here. Who's Ken? I don't know, but seemingly more successful than Jen. It's the misogyny of AI. It is. Ken and Ben keep popping up, but Jen's not there. Come on, Brister. Ken Brister. Come on, mate.

That's your next tour. Yeah. Ken Brister's on... Please welcome for the taskmaster. Clip it up and stick it on your socials. Fuck it. And be like, hey, I love Cone of all around. If you said one funny thing and you looked good, bang it out on your socials.

Well, actually, Keith are you funny. I was cute in it. It's deranged. If you said a funny thing and look you, clip it up and bang it out. Actually, Kim, clip it up and bang it out. We're going to clip it up and bang it out. Clip it up and bang it out. Clip it up and bang it out.

You should be my agent. Clip it up, bang it out. There's not enough bang it out. I'm paying loads of money to say that to me. Look, clip it up and bang it out. Hey, this is what you need to do in this big. You want to make it big, you got to clip it up, you're going to bang it out. Clip it up?

It's, bang it out. Correct. I get that. Correct. I'm not clipping it up enough. I'm not even banging it out. We're all being made to feel that we are somehow behind because we're not clipping up and banging it out. And banging it out.

So day long. That's all I do is clip it up and bang it out. I'm going to be banging it out. I'm going to bepping and banging. I'm clipping and banging all day long. You should run GEDs Clipping and banging consultancy. Yeah. I think that you're onto something.

Because I now sometimes ring you to hear. Clip and bang it. Clip and bang it. I go, oh, what do you think before I even complete the queerer? Clip it, bang it out. Get it out there. Get it out there. Get it out there.

You got it. Any old crap up. You'd think that, wouldn't you? Yeah, you would actually, you're right. But people are, they're clipping and they're banging and then they're like doing numbers. They're banging. They're banging. It's banging.

And it's like, okay. Also, you'll have enough knickknacks and bits and pieces to have stuff to put up. We're clipping banging and we're knick-knacking. I've lost the thread of this conversation. Anyway, because you're the queen of clip and bang. So true. Yeah. You do it.

You were the O.G. I wasn't the O.G. Yes. We were all circling you like Fox's round of grip thing. under grip then. How do you do it? How do it? How do it?

How do it? Time I had a click. She was like, I don't know. I went to bed. I woke up with 800,000. Wow. That's real. That's life.

That's life, guys. That's life these days. See if you can jump on this bandwagon. You can't. Are you, do you post pictures and anything on socials? Are you engaged with? I try. But the thing is, I get overwhelmed quite easily.

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picture which one should we be looking at it. I'm assuming it's this one. It's me being a little kid. Yeah, I brought it. So tell us where you are in this picture and how old you are. Oh, you've got it for real.

Oh, good. Good goodness. Look how cute you are. Adorable. You're only a tiny bit taller than that. Just a little baby. I just got done vacuum and I was tired. I used to use it upright back room as a microphone stand for when I was a kid.

Very nightmare. Are they really good mics? You can't get into the nox and crannies. So true. How old are you there? I want to give it like a, it's giving like six. It's given like five six. She's quite small.

Oh, it says something on the back, but I don't think that's time. Is that the date? 12-01. If that's true, then I would have been six. Yeah. Oh, I think 2001. I think so. Oh, crap.

I don't want to talk about that. It's not important. It's not important. It's not relevant. It's really not relevant. It's a different time. Because different people at different ages, Jen.

At different times. Exactly. Have you heard of that? And that's the spice of life. Yeah. 100%. So who is this little girl in this picture? So I think at the time I'm wearing like a towel.

Like I would make a lot of clothes that are like towels and scarves. Yes, I do. And kind of parade around. You know, you're in your like fashion designer model era. I really relate to this. did a lot of this myself. And I'm serving, I'm posing. Performing. Yeah, living. So Houston is quite a big multicultural city. But when I was younger, I grew up on the southwest side of Houston, which is like a bit rougher and I'd say a bit blacker. But then my mom bought a house in like a redneck

area of Houston, which was kind of on the opposite side of town. When you were how old? I would like 10-11. So then we move over there, things are different. People are different. All of a sudden, I'm different. Yeah. And that's a very specific age for that to happen. Yeah.

Like you're really going to be hyper aware of that at that age. A thousand percent. I think also like something that I'm kind of looking at more recently is how I think my friend said that people are all. I'm going to butcher it, but like people are all just like words but in different fonts. Like we all come in different fonts. And I felt like at my school, I didn't know if it was a me thing or an outside thing. But those people like couldn't read my font and they couldn't see like how absolutely

adorable. It was so gorgeous, iconic. And so for a while it just felt really like invisible and unseen. And I feel like that might have been where some of the. like funnies came from. Right. Yeah. And also in the photo, um, quite a, quite a lonely kid. Um, like an only child. I was living with my mom. She's really busy. And so I think, I think you just find ways to like entertain yourself really. Yeah. So when the kid in that picture, that's before this big move. Yeah. So she was a bit more freer and felt more seeing. Yeah.

And then the move was the massive shift. I would say, I definitely had a lovely time. at school with like, I went to a charter school that was started by these black American people that wanted to be in touch with Africa. So it was called Wassett Preparatory Academy. And the principal was Brother Jolani. Brother Jolani was never there. He was always abroad somewhere. And it kind of was really like formative to be in that environment. And, And so I think that kind of fortified me for when I moved into a very white area to not feel like bad about myself or something. Yeah. Because some of those people were racist.

Oh, I can imagine Texas. Like it was very like literally Confederate flag. Oh, shit. Like it was mad. How is that legal to have one of those flags up? It was crazy because they're everywhere. There is this guy. They're around.

They're everywhere. What they stand for. It's like it's so. Well, people are wearing them like on t-shirts and necklaces. We watched a TV show all about bloody conf-caths. Did you remember that? They had them on the car and that's a kid. We watched that show with no understanding of what the Confederate flag stood for.

Those good old boys, those good old wankers. And they're literally just like, this is about the pride of the South. And it's like, what? What does that mean? What are you talking about? So your school was almost entirely white? Yeah. So there were probably like enough black kids to count on both of my hands.

But like I would say probably over a thousand people go to the school. That seems crazy in a state that is as multicultural and particularly a city as multicultural as you were saying as Houston for there to be so few. So it feels like that people were choosing schools based on race rather than. Yeah. Well I think I think a part of it is like the zone. And so where I lived was like at the crux of like rich white people and redneck white people. And I was zoned to the school with the redneck white people. And it's kind of like like some people have horses.

Some people are like living in like a trailer park. Like that kind of vibe. So I graduated and I was like, oh no. And then I went to L.A. and I had too much fun. I had too much fun. What did that look like? Drugs and a horrible girlfriend.

Right. I thought... She didn't sound fun. No. Not at a good time. She was fun at first. Yeah. And I was like, oh, you like, that I like you.

You don't like me. Oh, no. And so then I was like, I need to get back on track because I'm a very, like, driven person and I'm a very, like, purpose-driven person. And I felt very lost. So then I decided to come get a master's in TV production. And I was like, I'm going to work in TV production.

In the UK or in California? Yeah, in the UK. So wait, it's such a big move to go from Texas where you've got, well, at least your family and you've got like what you know. Texas is nothing like having been to Texas is like a completely different world away from here in so many ways. A thousand percent. But I think sometimes when when you feel, I'll say it retrospectively, I recently went home and I was like, retrospectively. I recently went home and I was like, wow, I could have never like blossomed into myself. I could have never become myself if I was still here.

I didn't have the space to. I'd say societally, but also within my family. So you had an instinct for it. Yeah, I was like, there has to be more. There's more for me. There's bigger for me. And I didn't realize that the bigger for me was just me. Like, it was becoming myself.

being able to explore queerness but also my voice. Like through comedy, I've like found my opinions are things about me that I feel that actually I like. And like, are those weird? And you could, what were you doing in LA? Were you working? I was working, oh my God. Would you doing comedy there? A bit.

So I did improv in college. Right. And then I did some improv in L.A. And my jobs, my first job was through my mom. mom's godmother who owned a colonic, uh, colonic clinic. So I was a receptionist. Pipe the bum, water in the bum, get them full of the water. Can I just say, I've had one.

Have you? Yeah. Same. Did you watch it come out? Yeah. I shut my eyes. You feel, you're like, oh. I feel like it's a cult.

You're like, I'm so empty. Yeah. Wow, I'm so empty now. I didn't feel different enough to Warren. Pipe up bum. Doesn't it, just get rid of all the nice stuff. Because now it's all about your body. Well, now we all know about the bacteria.

Yeah, you're not supposed to take all that. But in the 90s, everyone was obsessed with a thing called Candida. Yes. You've heard of Candida, of course, because I don't know that. I think you came from LA. What the hell is Canada? I don't really know. Is it going to have a healthy amount?

Yeah. So you worked at a place that was doing this all day long and they're gigging at night. Yeah, but my job there was to give people a probiotic on the way out and try to get them to come back again as soon as possible. Oh, really? They were like, no, thank you. Okay, Kim. I want to know.

So I've just had a colonic. I'm coming out. First of all, the walls were very thin. So I heard you. Are we talking vocal sounds or bum sounds? Both. You can hear like the water flowing. But also you can hear people be like, ugh.

It's not water. Not at the end. Some water and some other stuff. I don't want to talk about what has this come. Water goes in. How would you encourage people to come back? Because I think once I've had a pipe up my bum, I'm done. Well, you just try to pitch them in a point

Maybe like, so, three weeks, four weeks? When would you like to come back? But it's not like teeth whitening, is it? It's not like, let's keep this up. It's awful. But she had packages, she had packages that were like Loyalty cards. Yeah, well, it was like...

You get a shit package. You could get a package where it was like, oh, you could come like five times over two weeks like as like a big cleanse. Five times? Yeah. I remember people got hooked on that shit. They were like...

How can you get hooked? Because you think, I don't know if it's psychosomatic or a placebo. or something. You think, oh, my God, I feel better. I feel cleared out. Well, if you're going five times in a two weeks, you are literally hooked. You are cleared out. You are cleared out.

Through your anus. Yeah. But some people just like to get out of the house. And if they're on a loyalty scheme, they're like, I love that woman who works on the desk. Yeah, she's nice. She's such a good vibe. I feel a bit better. Such a good vibe.

No one feels better. But in LA, they like treatments. They get into treatment cults. They love treatments. They're all about treatments. There was a lady who, so while I was there and I was working, I didn't know what to do beyond the appointment stuff. I wasn't going above and beyond.

So I was just looking at a bunch of other jobs. But one day this lady came in and she used to be like a producer for Oprah. And I was like, wow. And then I was like, can I show you my CV? My CV was so bad. And I showed it to her. And she like gave me like a few very passive, non-enthusiastic notes. Like what?

And I was like, wow. Wow, this could be my big break. It could have been. That's how it works. It wasn't. It happened to not have been. But you know what I mean? But there would be like famous people that would like come in there.

But they're floating all over that town. They're just walking about like touching watermelons in. And I was like, wow. Hang on a second. I can't. I can't disclose. You can't disclose. I couldn't discuss because one day I could work with them and then they're going to find this.

And they're going to be like, wow, you talked about. You talked about the, my flushing. Okay, maybe when we... You talked about my booty flushing. Can we do this off? Yeah. Sure, great. What's this picture here?

Here, is this the next photo? So this is when I'm, I'm pretty sure this is when I'm studying theater. It's insane. It's very dramatic. And I don't know... This is a picture of you right in front of your face. That's a great. I don't know if that is...

It does realize someone's studying theater. High school or university. But I'm giving drama. You are. I'm giving drama. And I think sometimes you've got to see yourself. It's a strong. Stuntlet, because having studied drama as well,

you do a lot of these exercises where you probably had to hold that thing up and be like the face. I once did a workshop where I had to pull off the mask. Wow. You have to my face. But there was no mask. There was no mask. There was no mask. There was a face.

There was lots of. Yeah The mask is you Your facade Let down the facade Did that help With the acting? I don't know

No one is sure No one is sure But you get to feel feels You do do the exercise You get deep in your fields Yeah You pretend to be a dog Yep

Acorn I did something similar So I did a matchtrip You had to choose an animal And then you did a monologue To suit that animal So I chose a camel And I were like

Okay Have we never had this chat I was a camel Get the fuck out I was a camel for a term. Get out. A term. Lots of chewing.

That's a long time. I was a camel. I had the hump. Classic. Anyway, I can't remember what the monologue was. And then I had to do the monologue in the style of being a camel. What? Which seemed perfectly reasonable at the time.

This is why we get on. Yes, exactly. Because we've got camel roos. Camel hooves. And the other thing. Jesus Christ. I'm going to pull my trousers down there. And the other thing I had to do was...

That's a silhouette. You know. And I have had it as well. Did you have to do that thing where I had to pretend to be a baby camel, a camel being giving birth to a baby camel. And then I had to be the baby camel growing up into an adult. Could that help? I don't think it helped me.

I think when you make yourself be vulnerable and do stuff like that, I think there's something powerful about that kind of stuff. I'm looking at both of you. and I feel that camel energy is still here. It's strong. You got to hold on to it. You got to hold on to water. Yeah, long eyelashes.

I see it. But I see that is a classic drama student. A thousand percent. This is before I found out that my degree was useless. I don't believe it was useless. Look at you now. Look at you now. Do you know what the degree gives you?

It's true. It took a while. It took a while. What would do you do this full degree? Tell me. I don't know. thing I'd want to do. Exactly.

At least you did three years or something you actually were vaguely interested in. And also, I think the one thing it gives you, it just gives you that space to feel like, you know, I don't know. There is a lot about vulnerability which you need to be a stand-up comedian. The only way you get you got a stand-up is to allow yourself to be vulnerable on stage. And you probably got a bit of that from doing that degree, would you say? Yeah. I mean, I'm such an straw. I don't know about you.

I just think we often put down our degrees if we've got an arts degree. And we should maybe stop doing that. I just told you, I had to pretend to be a baby camel. And that's beautiful. That's beautiful. Also, I wouldn't have found comedy if I didn't because a teacher of mine held me after class and he was like, hey, you're talking a lot in my class. But your comments are pretty funny.

You should audition for the improv team. Really? So that teacher was a key human. Yeah. That's how it happened. And what was your relationship with comedy prior to that? Did you love comedy? Did you just enjoy it?

But I wasn't, you know, some people are like, no, I mean, I still, I was finding my voice in so many ways. So I didn't really think that I could, like, use it professionally. Like, you know, like some people, I talked to a lot of comedians and I'm like, oh, always love comedy. It's been like a nerd of comedy. I would study it and I wanted to be a comedian my whole life. I wanted to be a vet for a long time. Right, me too. Absolutely terrible at science, though.

Couldn't I've been a vet in my wildest dreams. Hey, I'm glad you're not. I don't want to have my elbows even. Specialising camels? I always want to bring my pets to you. I wouldn't bring Molly to you. You wouldn't. You wouldn't bring Molly to me?

But Molly and I connect. No, you don't. No, you don't. Not for care. Not care. No. What do you mean? I'm very caring.

Jokes. Jokes, but not care. I think there are a few comedians. I think it's interesting because some comics are like that. They're like, oh, I always got comedy. It was something I always wanted to do. But there were quite a few that are like I'd never seen comedy until it kind of comes along. I feel like those are the two camps.

Are the people that like literally can quote like George Carlin? And then there's the other ones that are like, I don't ever watch comedy. No, I never did. But you know, it's fucked up. Recently I was home and I hung out with my mom and my dad separately. and both of them just kind of organically. It wasn't because I was there. Just put like comedy on.

Like I think my dad watched like two specials in a row. And then like my mom was like, do you want to watch blah, blah, blah. And it occurred to me that this has been happening like my whole life. Like they both really like comedy. And I thought that I was more interesting than that. Oh, but it was always going on all along. They just always dug it.

So it was going in somehow. You know, I'm like, I'm not one of those. people that's doing their art for my parents' approval and then I was like oh oh kima what did tell us about the improv stuff because improv in the States is quite different to how it is here hello dramatic drop of the glass um I was doing short for improv like a lot of games very silly but like oh the people the people I was on the team with they were so loud they were just so loud that is not so different then that is a an improv.

It's the same. I think it is a little bit. Loud white guys, does that resonate? Yeah. So I've found that when I was at UCB studying, I still felt like, because it's a team sport and I found that I'm much better like creating

when I'm able to like take the lead, if not do it myself. But I found it was still so many 29 year old white guys named Zach. And then you're creating. scenes with them and I'm like we're camping again fuck me like come on like we're never going to go where I want to go that's funny it was mad

you know what I mean they're obstacle just like why why is this always happening so I started to like shy away from it but only after I gave them so much money but I felt like to do these courses yeah to study the courses because I think it was like 800 per course and I did like three

of the four levels. Right. And then I moved here. And then it was stand up when you came here. But also, I was still scared. So I told myself, before I graduated from my program, which was like 18 months, I was like, do stand up like once or twice before you leave. Right.

And it like took me a while. But then I went and I did like an open mic. I remember one of my first gigs being at like. And this is in LA? Here. So I did stand up a bit when I was there probably like maybe like three or three or four times. Right. But I was very scared. Also

talking about the saddest shit. Like there was one day where I was trying to find a new job and the job market was so saturated. It was really hard to find jobs. Probably still is. And I was like, okay, I'll work at like a bikini bar. Like I was

like, I'll use the fact that I'm young and cute to get a job. I went to this bikini bar in Orange County. There was a lady who was working in that had like the biggest not real boobs. They were so big. It was crazy. And then she just had like a triangle bikini.

The triangles were so small, just like covering the nipple. And I was like, I can work here. Yeah, I can work here. And then I go in the office, the guys like conducting the interview. And like, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I can handle that. Oh, yeah. I went to bartending school, which is another scam.

I went to the Pacific bartending school. Crazy. Paying to learn to work bar. What? Do you mean like paying to learn how to pour a drink? Yeah, and I used to know how to make so many cocktails. You know, you learn what's behind the bar. I had to set up the bar, how to clean the bar, which you could just learn at work.

But I was like, I worked at the Pacific Baratending School. Yeah, I was like, I'm cute, and I went to Pacific bartending school. And the guy was like, this kid would get eaten alive in here. But after that, I went to a gig, and I just decided to talk about it. and everyone was like, oh. And I was like, oh, is this sad? Yeah, but that's sad number, isn't it? At the beginning, is like, is this therapy?

What's happening? What's happening? What's going on? And often, like, all the stuff that, the idea that you're on the bus on the way there, you go, oh, this will be really funny. It never. But third, fourth gig in, you cut all the really sad bits out and just think of funny bits.

You're living. You're living. And also I found quite early on that if you emotionally charge it and not with sadness, but like things that I was really passionate about I was able to make really funny and I was like oh like it needs it needs a charge like things work really well for me when there's a charge

right and so yeah I found it I found my way is the next photo a stand-upy photo because I'm curious about the stand-up this is actually maybe the next photo How many photos are there? I haven't got that one. No, let's go to that photo.

I think I just brought this on accident. No, I want to see that picture. What the fuck is going on? Okay. We're in Texas? I thought those are a photo. Holy shit, that's not you? Who's that?

Yeah. I won a pageant when I was in college. Wait what? Yeah, crazy. Yeah. Oh my God. I don't know. I don't recognize that.

I thought that's a part of my narrative. That's no. Maybe I just brought it because I was like, yeah. Because it's a very American image. Yeah. And it's such a different. Such a different girl as well. We don't have pageant.

Do we have pageants? I won a fraternity's pageant, double American. I got a small scholarship. Yeah. So how old are you in that picture? I would say maybe like 20, 21. Were you in a sorority? I wasn't.

I tried, but they would not let me in. It's like a club or a gang or a thing. Yeah, and a cult at the same time. You have to go and do a thing to join it. Like they make you do something. I don't know. Like the masons? Yeah, like the racists.

I feel like somewhat like that. But like a bit more silly and like they're like haze you and make you do stuff. But then they pretend that they're not making you do stuff. But you got to prove that you're down and you're cool and then you can be a part of the thing. and then you pay them like thousands of dollars. Fucking hell. America's is fucked. Yeah.

Yeah. What the hell is that? Because I was with all the theatre lot at USF and everybody that was in the theatre lot just thought all the sororities and fraternities were a bunch of weird. They were like, we would never join one of those. You're mad. They're full of absolute nuts. Do you know what?

I've thought that it would give me some kind of sense of belonging, but I didn't know that I'm like my own thing and my own thing is a really good thing. Also, another element was I was like in my year of like 30 students in the theater program, I was the only black student. And I think the year above me, there might have been like one or two, maybe like one in the year before that. So like, and the sorority in question and the fraternity in question were like black sororities and fraternities. So I was like maybe some sense of like connection. Right.

I'm always trying to connect really. but I've found now that it's a me thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can relate to that. I think most comedians can, but I think the thing I found interesting being at college in America is how tribal it is and how binary it is.

And like everybody sticks in there. So like we were on a dorm with two other, we were on a dorm with three white English kids with two black kids from Florida. They hated us like the first two or three months. They were like, you're rich, you're blith. And when we were like, oh, no, no, we're not paying for fees and we all had to like have three jobs to get here.

Then they were like, oh, you're not like the other white kids. We're like, I don't know who are these other white. I don't know who you're referring to. And then they kind of warmed to us. They still thought we were balanced. But they weren't like hiding our food and calling us dickheads when we walked past. Dad.

But also. What were you going through? Yeah. Oh, no. I mean, like, it was so racist. Like, white students were like, oh, you're hanging out with the black students. Like, yeah. I can imagine as well, because, like, Florida is, like, not the one.

Like, Florida is not the one. Florida's insane. The UK just moves a little differently, I think, in that way. But definitely. White as. Yeah, overt. Yeah. Yeah, it's more insiduous.

It's a gas. Lady one. Yeah, yeah. Where you're like, was that? You're like, but he said sorry, but what was the tone of the sorry? What sorry was that? Yeah, yeah. And I think that's why a lot of British people go, oh, we're not racist.

Because when you go to the States, in America, they do it. It's so overt that we can kind of walk away and go, hey, we're a great country. And it's actually, we're not a great country and we don't deal with race particularly well. But we are a different beast, yeah. I think also there can be an expectation of like how you're supposed to be. and like doing improv and stuff, I think, didn't align with, like, the black community. And what I found interesting about moving here, which will be the little cute short hair photo, is no one knew what to place on me.

So I think if you're here in London and you, I mean, you guys are able to project things onto each other based on, like, accents or what, like, girls' school you went to or whatever the fuck. no one knew what to project on to me besides things that worked in my favor like coolness from being like American and black they're like oh black American cool you must know you must like hip hop like no one knew to do so then I was able to just be like free and kind of like find myself without that kind of

stuff like weighing me down or the expectations to be a certain way and move a certain way like it's kind of clean slug you can move how you'd like to move. I love this picture, but you talk about your haircut here because I think this is such a beautiful picture of you people. I was moving to London and I was like, I want to make sure that I have everything because even though this is like, I'd come here before so I knew that you guys had stuff, but I still didn't want to have to find stuff.

Yeah, I still didn't want to have to find stuff. So I was like, I'm going to get like, you know, get new. glasses before I come, get my prescription, but also I had two suitcases when I moved here, one of which was full of clothes. The other was full of like comforts and toiletries. I was just like, I don't want to have to figure out what toothpaste. Turns out you have Colgate. It's the same. But I was like, I don't want to have to figure that out. And I was like, I'm going to get my haircut. And I really wanted a curly haircut. I really wanted a diva cut. What's a diva cut? I don't know.

But like there's this company and they sell like diva curl products. And so like you cut a certain way along the curl of the hair that maximizes the something something. So you take each like kind of curl little cluster of curls and you cut them individually at a certain angle along the helix of the something blah, blah, blah. And you have to have a... This is bringing big bullshit vibes. Yeah.

Oh, okay. We got to have a license to do it. So I needed to find a diva curl specialist. This is reminding me of the chronic irrigation program. I don't think so. Well, based off of, and they were like, diva curl specialist can cut any kind of hair. So I ended up going to the salon and it was a white lady. I think it was called like Planet Curl or something.

In Texas. Here. I'm prepping in Texas. Oh, she got it down there to come here. Yeah. Yeah. But surely in Texas there's loads of salons for it. I didn't.

I was trying to do. the curly and I didn't know. And also this is like a different era in the like natural hair movement where I feel like more people know more now. But I, I didn't know. And so I went to this lady and basically if you are not informed, when you have black hair, it can be like, there's like shrinkage that occurs. And so when you like wet the hair as it dries, it kind of like shrivels up in a way. The like curls get tighter. And so when I came, my hair was like kind of stretched out a bit longer and she was just like, sniff, sniff, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, and then she washed my hair to like style it while it was wet and it just got so small. And I felt like,

have you seen Hot Tub Time Machine? No. This is. I won't bullshit you came in there. No. And that's fair. That's really honest. I knew the answer was no when you start early in that sentence. He's also in the American office, but I can't, I don't know his name in the American office, but he's in Hot Top Time Machine. There's this black man named Carl, Carl, Carl, um, Carl Robinson, Craig Robinson, sorry Craig Robinson. Oh, the Scottish guy? No, no, he's American. I don't know who you're thinking of. Apologies to Craig Robinson. Actually, are you thinking of that guy that did, presented a late night show in America? And he's got Yes, Craig Ferguson. Ferguson. Not a reasonable mix-up. Yeah, that's actually reason. I'm going to

For me. For me. That's not bad. They are adjacent to each other. Basically, Craig Robinson has like a really, like short haircut, and I felt like him. And I was like, I was like, I look like fucking Craig Robertson. And you had to come to London and present. Yeah.

And at the time, I was very, thank you. They're new. I kept joking that I looked like an 80s Pido. Like, it was giving serial killer, but I was having a little time. But the Pido glasses have been. reclaimed by the call. Yeah, and they were being reclaimed at that time. So I helped with the reclamation.

And also, I got to say, I really like that hair. I mean, I think, I mean, I don't know what happened then. At the time, it was tough. But I also, this was before, like, I kind of ever lent into, like, the masculinity that I hold. So I was like, I have short hair and I'm trying to get all the dick in the world. Like, I just couldn't. You couldn't.

I couldn't found them. But I made it work. I made it work. I mean, you can make it work. You look so hot. Thanks. I appreciate that. Coming from a short hair aficionado.

Yeah, baby, that's all I do. Let's look at the next picture we've got here. So there's two, and they're both in a lift. And I've got... There's one that's first with my mom. And, like, she came to visit me most recently. I think it's her third time, if not fourth. Yeah, and we're having a lovely time.

I just look so blurry. It looks so fucked up. So this isn't the same lift on the same day. These are different lifts on different days. Same lift different day. My current flat. So this is the photo non-blurry. Okay.

That is a great picture. We're having a lovely time. That's a lovely picture of your mom. I've taken her out. Take your mama out all night. I did that. I did that. On Mother's Day the other day.

They gotta do it. Take your mama out all night. They're going to get in Westonbury. I love it. That's crazy. Wow. Still not camping. still not can be for that.

Okay. Let's go back to this picture of you and your mum. So your mum came with, is this a recent picture of you and your mum? Yeah, it's like November, November 24. And why is she laughing? What's going on? Why are you cracking her up? Because I'm fucking hilarious.

Do you really make her laugh? Yeah, she's very silly. I'm very silly. And like we had just, I think that's on the way back, not on the way down. So she's wearing like my shirt. jacket. She was having a really fun time wearing my clothes. And my show was at Soho Theater, so she came over to see it.

And like, she was just having a really nice time being, and I quote, Kimabob's mom. Yeah. She was adorable. What did she think of your show? She really liked that. And how did it feel performing with her there? I thought it would be weird because of the story that I tell them the show. Yeah. But it was fun. Why? What was it? It's not sexual, is it? Not even, basically, I had like a manic episode in 2023 and I went to Thailand.

I didn't do any research on Thailand. And also, I was too unwell to avoid danger. So like, did I almost get kidnapped and trafficked? Yes. That is the story you want to tell in front of your mom because she is going to mum up. I thought that I did want to be freaked out about it. I talked to her about it. Okay, before.

Yeah, but I didn't want her to be, like, weirded out by it or whatever. Yeah. And also, like, she's mentioned in the show. But she really, like, she's a very, not like a shame-free person, but her, like, motto is, like, if you own your shit, how can anyone make you feel bad about your shit? She's right. A thousand percent.

I'm grateful to have that influence. Yeah, so I was doing it for four nights. She came for three out of the four. Oh, that's so much. And, like, this night, I think was before the run, but I took her to a night for, like, queer older, like, women. It's called, like, Sistermatic. And it, I don't think it's for queer, older women,

but it advertises playing music from, like, the 80s and beyond, like, time. And so, like, I took her, and, like, she met this lady, and they were, like, flirting, and they ended up, like, going out on a date, and she just had a really fun night. And then we went to go get a kebab after. And, like, I think this was on the lift on the way back up. And it was just cute because it was the first time that I, like, I think my mom, like, her freeness and stuff has, like,

bothered me in different ways over the years. And, like, just be a normal mom, be a normal lady. And it's like, she's not. She's actually really fucking cool. And I finally just, like, allowed myself to embrace that and to see that and just let her be herself. and it was nice because it was like, yeah, I think it's such a gift to be able to see someone for who they are, especially like your mom and to allow them to see you for who you really are.

Yeah, not get caught up in mother-daughter stories. And I was like, just let her be a fun lady. And like, she's such a fun lady. Yeah, so that was nice. So this is with Nish Kumar and who else? because this is blurry, so I can't see who else is in the background. That's Ella, who makes my podcast. Am I plugging it?

That's debatable. Plug it. Oh, plug it, plug it, plug it. So doing podcasts for a long time and having such a fun time, but not having my own, and then kind of feeling like, I want to make something, but what do I want to make? And it's taken me a long time to think about it. And also to make something that, I mean, this podcast is a great example. of something that is like fun and funny but also real and touches on like the people's stories.

And I think people's stories are so like valuable and interesting. And there's a lot we can learn from each other and a lot of commonalities we can find. So I was like, I'm going to make a podcast that like explores who people are and how they feel about who they are and how they think they have become who they are and how they deal with who they are. Because sometimes it's hard. Like, I'm 31, and right now I'm trying to wake up at my birth time for no reason. Other than the... Wait, what do you mean?

I'm trying to wake up at the time I was born, which is 6.58 a.m. What's that about? I don't know. It's from that frustration of trying to figure out how to be. And also just feeling like we should like just be But then it's like hard to just be because like you have to Make money and then you know what I mean? So I tried to do it different ways and we did like in the studio

But then it felt wrong for like the comfort that I wanted to create Yeah And then I was like I think I should do it in my house I hate my couch my walls are bare It is not giving sexy podcasts Right. But it's a shoes off house. You come, you sit on the couch, and we talk about who you are.

And I think it's so comfy. And this is the first day that we tried it. And like Nish is like a good friend. So he was your first guest? Yeah, he was the first guest on the couch. Right, right. We had done the studio a bit. So it's got a therapy vibe.

How do you get the conversation moving? We do like with astrology. Oh, really? We do some, like, take your birth time and we'll ask you, like, do you believe in astrology? And we have some chill questions, very chill questions, but some of them are more chill than me than I think. Like, I asked James A.caster as an icebreaker, what's the worst thing about being famous? Okay. I mean, he can go deep on that. That's probably one of his favorite topics.

Yeah, he can talk for hours on that. But he was like, he was like, that's an icebreaker. And I was like, my bad man. Yeah, but you've got to get on. You're going to move to... I was like, I don't... Yeah, I think so. Yeah, but he wants you to say Popper don't...

That's the icebreaker. I'm like, no. We're going in. Is it annoying? Is it annoying? But yeah, so we start off with some, like, icebreakers and then I ask, my guess, if they, like, believe in astrology.

And it doesn't matter if you do or not. No, exactly. It's just to get the conversation going. I'm still going to read you a shit. But what's interesting is, like, So when you look at me, like I'm in Pisces, which means that I might be like really emotional and prone to escapism and things like that. So I'd ask you, would you agree? Do you feel like you're really emotional?

Do you ever feel like you want to like get away when things get tough? And then we kind of use that as a window in. So it's like essentially calling out and bringing up these characteristics that might align with you and may not. But now we're talking about who you are. Yes, because even when people are anti or pro-summit, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Either way. And also, like, it's so funny to hear someone be like, no, I think it's bullshit and then be like, yeah.

Yeah, I guess I am a Capricorn. All the stories of where they have a resistance to it. Like, I've always been a bit cynical, but come on, your mom was, oh, I can love all that shit. But one of my mom was really into it, and she made me sit in the car once while she got her chart done. And I think maybe that's why I'm resistant to it. because she made me sit in the car while she went and got a... You should get your child. I think I have had it done and some of it resonates.

I think when you're a Scorpio, people are like, oh, you're a Scorpio. I get this shit. Wow. I have a lot of Scorpio placement. Are you horny? Now? Just ever. Yeah.

Isn't everyone? But they say that Scorpio's are quite hony. Scorpio's are the horniest. Well, they say they're the witches. They're the hornyers. They're the sexy witches. Sexy horny witch, Carrie. I see it.

I see it. I'm happy to go with that. You're sexy ones. But sexy witch seems to me fine. Yeah. But, you know, sometimes you're horny and sometimes you're not. And that's applicable to all the sides. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm an Aquarius. Wow. Do you want me to sing this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius? This is the donning of the age. Frank's an Aquarius. Is it?

I don't know anything about Aquarians. I don't know if anyone's ever said this, but I really like you guys. That is actually impressed I'm over the moon with that I am I think we have wangled away for how long to get that compliment Yes please

How many episodes are we down How many episodes That's quite infusing it That compliment You really fun of having a nice time I'm over the room with that Kima you are on tour at the moment Tell us where we can find

Information about tickets and shows Kimhabobobbopcom And please is someone come. We've ran the numbers and it's now going on. You just click and bang it out. Yeah, we'll click and click. You click and bang and we'll put this out. And if you're in Australia, go see Pima in Melbourne. Please.

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