Mick Unplugged - Chris & Martha Thomas | The Defensive Line: The Thomas’s on Suicide Prevention and Community Initiatives

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

Welcome to another impactful episode of Mick Unplugged! Today, we have the honor of hosting Martha and Chris Thomas, founders of the nonprofit "The Defensive Line," which is dedicated to preventing youth suicide, particularly among young people of color. In this episode, we dive deep into the pressing issues of mental health stigma, the importance of community support, and actionable steps to recognize and address mental health struggles.   We discuss societal expectations around masculinity, the significance of showing vulnerability, and how local resources and crisis hotlines like 988 can make a life-saving difference. Martha and Chris also share their personal motivations, inspired by their late daughter Ella, to foster open conversations about mental health and collaborate with organizations like AFSP and Dak Prescott’s Faith by Finish. Join us as we explore how comprehensive health encompasses physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being, and hear about their exciting plans to expand their training programs with the Clinton Global Initiative. Plus, learn about the unique impact their workshops and keynotes are having on schools, universities, and communities nationwide. Your unique purpose is your superpower, so tune in, push your limits, embrace your goals, and chase greatness with us today on Mick Unplugged!   Top 3 Questions answered in the episode: How can we recognize the signs of someone struggling with mental health issues and intervene? Discussion Points Notice behavioral changes, isolation, and giving away possessions. Improve awareness and confidence through workshops and panels. How can asking direct questions about suicide help prevent it rather than cause harm? Discussion Points Directly asking about suicidal thoughts can be helpful. Role plays are used to reduce discomfort and improve response readiness. What role do tailored strategies for people of color play in dealing with mental health crises? Discussion Points Suicide increasingly affects communities of color. Utilize community leaders and organizations to provide customized support.   Takeaways Mental health impacts not just individuals but entire communities. Open conversations about mental health can reduce stigma. Taking action after a tragedy can lead to meaningful change. Connection and listening are vital in supporting those in need. Recognizing signs of mental health struggles is crucial for intervention.   Connect and Discover: LinkedIn:  linkedin.com/in/the-defensive-line Instagram:  Instagram.com/thedefensiveline Facebook:  facebook.com/thedefensiveline Website:  thedefensiveline.org Podcast:  @thedefensiveline1238  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's okay to show that you love and to show that you care. You don't have to be tough all the time. It's okay to call 988 on behalf of someone else. And he credited us with saving the student's life. You know, to keep talking, keep talking, don't stop talking. Let someone know how you're really, really feeling. She didn't want to die she wanted to end the pain welcome to mick unplugged where we ignite potential and fuel purpose get ready for raw

insights bold moves and game-changing conversations buckle up here's mick ladies and gentlemen welcome to another episode of mick unplugged and today is a true bucket list for me, and I mean that from my soul. Today's guests are the co-founders of a powerful and purpose-driven nonprofit dedicated to saving lives by transforming the way we communicate about mental health, one of my true passions in life. After experiencing personal tragedy, they turned their unimaginable grief into action by founding the Defensive Line, a movement aimed at preventing youth suicide, especially among young people of color. Their commitment to sharing their story and educating others has created a ripple effect, helping to reduce stigma and foster

open, honest conversations about mental health, something that's truly needed in 2024 and beyond. Please join me in welcoming the compassionate, the resilient, the powerful, the transforming Mr. and Mrs. Martha and Chris Thomas. Thank you so much. Martha and Chris and Chris, you know I had to go ladies first, right? absolutely. Martha and Chris, I'm a huge fan of who you are personally, but more importantly, and I mean this from my soul and this isn't scripted or anything like that. I'm a big proponent of mental health. At a young age, I experienced or saw my mom go through emotional, financial, physical abuse. And a lot of people don't realize that mental health is more than the actual person that's experiencing it. It's also for the people that care and are surmounted. They go through those struggles as well, too. And so following you both for a while, I just wanted to thank you for really making this a thing and having this

conversation. I get a little emotional because I go back to that 10-year-old me, but I just want to thank you both for opening the doors to having these conversations, especially for people that look like me, where it's kind of taboo to talk about, or it's a perceived weakness to talk about struggle. So I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mick. That's fantastic. Wow. And it's so true. It impacts so many people. And we often, before we lost Ella, we didn't realize how significant it was across the whole community, but in particular, the community of color and why it's important to talk about it because you can't fix something if you don't talk about it. You put your head in the sand. And so it's important that we talk about physical health, mental health, emotional health, spiritual health. It's what we call whole health. It's really important because then we can talk about,

you know, how do you improve it? How do you make sure you're more resilient? How do you make sure you check on your friend or your brother or your sister or your mother or your father? So making these normal conversations is what we're all about because we don't want anybody to join the unfortunate club that we're a part of, you know, suicide law survivor. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I lost my high school best friend. I lost to suicide years after high school. And one of the biggest regrets that I have to this day is, did I reach out enough? Could I have been a phone call, a text message, an in-person conversation that could have sparked some type of change? And I think about that a lot. And so, you know, one of the questions I want to

ask you, because it was something that I struggled with initially, what were the initial steps that you took to turn tragedy into impactful work? You know, it took a while, right? So we had honestly one of Ella's boyfriends really pushed me to do the overnight walk with the American Foundation of Suicide Prevention. It was in Dallas. And he said, I told him I wasn't ready. It was about six months after Ella died, said, I'm not ready. Landis, you know, I'm just not there yet. And he said, I'm going to keep asking you until it happens. And the week before I said, okay, Landis, I'll do it with you. I'll do it with you. And then Solomon said he'd do it. And then, you know, Chris came with us and we walked 18 miles in the heat of Dallas. It was actually in Dallas that year. So, but that was this kind of pivotal point where if we're living, if we're living, we have to really live and do something because we can take steps, literal steps that can change what someone else was doing. And along the way on this walk, people would come up to us and talk about their loss and how they were doing and their concerns over how we were doing. And as a son, as a mother, as a father. And it was life changing.

You know, it was it was powerful. And there were other people who were talking about it, who weren't ashamed. And there was so much shame with it at first that we didn't, you know, you'd see, you know, if we said Ella's name, people would come put their head down. This is our daughter. We're never going to stop talking about her. So it really was empowering. That's awesome.

That's awesome. You know, you talk about, you know, taking those first steps and just communicating and talking. Right. And I know we talked offline about just the power of connecting and connection. Like, how has that helped not only the healing process, but also just the awareness in general? You know, one, having people reach out, but reaching out to others and then listening to them, not reaching out with the intent of having something to say, but reaching out with the intent of listening to who they are, to what they're going through, to how they're feeling. You know, acknowledge those feelings as their feelings, not as who they are. You know, like, I am not a sad woman. I have feelings of sadness.

You know, and just recognizing that in other people, but really that intention of reaching out to listen, to not expect to hear something, but to hear what someone else has to say. Yeah. And the other power of connectivity in particular amongst youth is the more we encourage people to check in on each other, it can help with this situation. Because like right now, you know, one out of four high school students have seriously thought about taking their life. And their LGBTQ, one out of four have attempted. So the more we talk to each other, the more we can check and see, how are you doing? How are

you really doing today? And then they can listen compassionately, as Martha mentioned, and then just make sure we're talking to them, staying in contact with them. And also, as we talk more about this, we educate people on the fact that if you see somebody in trouble and you ask them, are you thinking about suicide? That is a very positive and powerful move. It's not going to cause them to want to die by suicide. It's going to actually, every study says that it does the opposite. It helps that person who may be at risk or may be suicidal to say, hey, this person is seriously concerned about me. Let me open up and talk to them about it. So that's the other piece and power of connectivity is that it drives these powerful, transformative conversations about how people are doing and where they're at at that moment. And then as a listener, you can just listen and not try to solve the problem. Just talk to the person and just be where they are and keep them

safe for that moment. Yeah. And I know that you both have partnered with a lot of organizations and schools and communities and the NFL. What impact are you seeing with these collaborations now? We spoke at a university and the next week got an email from their director of counseling who said, we had a student who was suicidal because he heard you and because his coach heard you. Everyone knew what to do and everyone knew to take it seriously. And he credited us with saving the student's life. That to me was everything. On days where I feel like I don't want to do this. I think about that and I'm moving on. And to your point, we've had some great collaborative partners,

whether it's AFSP, you know, Dak Prescott's Faith by Finish, and like Dak and his group have helped us do these D-lines or suicide prevention workshops here in Dallas. We do them in Clark County. We've done that at universities like Stanford and University of Virginia. And when we do these workshops, we're seeing coaches and teachers and leaders of young

people being able to recognize the signs. We've seen like a 48% increase in teachers and coaches being able to recognize the signs. People are 94% more confident to be able to have those open conversations. And at the beginning of each workshop, we give people a blank action plan and we ask them to fill in D for don't ignore your gut, L for listen for the sign, I for interact for the person who's a concern, N, name the concern,

E, evidence the concern, S, create a safe, supportive environment. And at the end of that workshop, 98% of the people walk away with an action plan. And this is something that Martha developed. It was a brilliant move because as a teacher, she noticed there was a need for us to not just talk about how to save people, but we got all these drills, tornado drill, shooter drill, everything else. But we don't have a mental health action drill, an action plan. So with her leadership, we put this action plan together. And now people out of these workshops walk away with a tangible tool. They can. You can talk, talk, talk, but after a while, ears start to deafen

on talk. It's who we are as people. I'm sure, Chris, you can look me in the eye. You don't have to just blink three times. Sometimes Martha's talking and you're nodding your head. My wife's over there too, so I get it. But it's the action that matters? And it's not even the action because I know, again, following you on what I do, you actually give roadmaps as well too. So it's like, it's not unrealistic things that people can do. It's like, Hey, do this. Here's a place you can reach out to. And then is your next step and that's what I love and I'd

love to give the listeners and viewers just some insight into that because I think that's the most powerful thing yes so one thing we do like when we go to schools is um we find out well wherever we go we find out what local resources are we have spoken uh and done our workshop at universities where, you know, the people at the university did not know what the crisis, that they actually had their own crisis 24 hours, you know, line that was available to the students and the staff at the university. So connecting people with the resources they have, we were just at a high school in Dallas and we always have, all the Dallas high schools have a licensed therapist on staff for not only the students, but the staff. So we always involve them in the workshop. And there's so many people who say, I didn't know who that person was. I didn't even know, you know, they were here or that I could reach out to them. So really putting people in touch with the local resources.

You know, sometimes the school will send resources. I'll check them. You know, like, are they still? oh, no, that number's not even active anymore. And they're putting it out as a resource. So it's being intentional about what's out there. Also, you know, really making sure people know it's okay to call 988 on behalf of someone else. You don't have to be in the crisis. Or, you know, if you're a parent and a child and you know your child is struggling, sit down with them and call 988 or text 988 or 741741 with them.

And so that they know that this is a resource that is viable, that's easy, that's there for them when they're having a bad day. They don't have to be on the verge of suicide to use those numbers. And everyone needs to know that. And the other great thing Martha does is she does like an interactive role play during the I, which is interact, she talks to the participants about that we're going to practice saying, are you thinking about the suicide? And really practicing it with the people. We don't ask people to give an answer back, but it's very uncomfortable asking that question. But that role play helps people understand. It sort of helps them get the

guard down. It helps them understand that it's okay to ask that question. And not only okay, it's imperative that they ask that question. So that's an excellent piece that she put into our workshop because we want people to actually do the work. So that's why we do role plays and talk to the leaders at that time. And I think that's powerful because that's honestly, and until I got to follow you both, that's something I would have felt like, oh, you shouldn't ask that question. Right. Like you need to tiptoe around and figure out angles. But you're right. Yeah. Be direct, because, again, that's who we are as humans. Right. Like we need that. I believe iron sharpens iron, but I also believe friction can fight friction. And you don't need happiness all the time or happiness.

You don't need ease and polish. You need that rub to break through. And so I love that. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Well, especially with young people, when their emotions are kind of, can be all over the place. I taught middle school for years. I mean, she's going to heaven. The range of emotions I saw in my students every day was 12 year olds going through puberty are, are, you know, special, special gifts, but you know, making sure that we are asking. I noticed that you're

falling asleep in class and you weren't doing that before. Is there something going on? And it may be, I asked one student one time and he looked at me and he goes, yeah, my parents bought me a computer for Christmas and they put it right by my bed. So I'm up gaming all night long. And it was, you know, I was able to understand that. You know, but to ask those questions when you see a change in behavior in anyone, but especially teens, young people, it's really important to ask. That's one of the other things that we incorporated with our partner AFSP. We help people understand that there's never one, only one reason why someone dies by suicide. And we share with them the top mood behavior, change of behaviors that exist when somebody who may be in crisis. And we share with them the talk, mood, behavior, change of behaviors that exist with somebody who may be in crisis. And there are like eight to 10 different characteristics,

each of those talk, mood, behaviors. We walk through that. And the other thing we walk through is Martha shares the importance of being intentional about language. We try to help educate people. You don't say commit suicide. You say someone dies by suicide. And the reason why that's important is people don't commit cancer. They don't commit kidney disease. They die by kidney disease. And 80 to 90% of people who die by suicide have a mental health condition. So they're dying by a mental health condition. They're not committing a crime. It's not taboo. They're dying by suicide. And then we also go through some other myths, like it only takes an expert to help somebody who may be dying by suicide. Anybody can help someone who died by suicide, or that once someone has made a plan to die by suicide, you can't talk them out of it. That's not true at all. So we go through some of the myths that exist on that as well. So that's to your point. I saw you look surprised when you made a comment about thought about the piece about commit versus die by suicide. That's 99 percent of the people. They don't realize that's an important piece of important change. It adds stigma to talking, you know, that you're committing this. Right.

So, you know, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I want to I want to give some tips and an insight to three different people. And you are the resource for this. So for for the person who cares about someone or people, but you don't know the signs that someone's struggling with mental health. What are some of the signs that people can look for when they just think someone's appearing to be normal or happy or in a good space? What are some signs that people can look for that aren't always just known? So one, like I already mentioned, to me is the change of behavior. And it might be a positive change. So just because someone isn't exhibiting what we might think is kind of stereotypical mental health condition. For instance, you know, if it's a young person, instead of being quiet, they may be louder. You know, like any change in behavior, it might mean someone's not sleeping or they've gone from being kind of sad to extremely happy.

You know, just that kind of change that that that to me is the biggest thing to look for. Absolutely. And a lot of times people sometimes, Martha mentioned the change of behavior. Sometimes they become withdrawn. They become more isolated. And when people are isolated and they're worse and they feel like they're a burden to people, that's when that sort of triggers even more unfortunate issues on suicide ideation. So to Martha's point, those talk-mood behavior, people sometimes unfortunately give away prized possessions. Or they sleep more, they sleep less, or eat more, eat less. So those are the key ones. But the giving away prized possessions is typically a huge, huge sign.

And then the other thing I'd be remiss if I didn't say AFSP has some great videos on their website about how to recognize signs, talk, you know, how to deal with people who may be having burdensome issues and things like that. And that's where we get a lot of our resources as well. OK, that's good. And I'll make sure that I give links to AFSP in the in the show notes and everything that I post out socially as well, too. And so now the second person that I want to give tips and insights to. Are the family members that are seeing these signs. How do you approach that person? Because you've already given me some really good nuggets here, right? Like one, ask the question. I think obviously that's the first tip, but how do you give people the courage

to actually do that? Because for some people, again, it might not be a natural thing and they need that motivation to do that. So how do we help that person that's recognizing these signs have those conversations or provide help? I think one thing that's really important is to make mental health conversations in our families, just like, you know, like I always say to parents, if your child came home and had sprained their ankle, you would ask them about it at school. You know, you would ask them about it. If there was a broken arm, you would ask them, how's it feeling every day? You'd take them to the doctor. We need to be able to do the same with our mental health. So, you know, one good question to ask is how did that make you feel?

Not just how you're doing today is fine. But once they get to that, continuing that conversation, asking deeper questions and not quite letting it off the hook. I don't know if you've ever seen the feelings wheel, but, you know, it's you've got the core feelings and then even, oh, OK, you're sad. Which one of these emotions under sadness were you really feeling? You were. Oh, you were frustrated? How did you become frustrated? Or what about that made you become frustrated? So our mental health conversations are something that we're having every day, not just when we're in crisis. Yes. Yes. That's amazing. Absolutely. That's funny. Martha, when we did this at UNLV in Vegas, the Dean of School of Public Health really picked that up. And he tells us about

how every day he has these regular mental health, not even mental health conversations, they're just called normal conversations now because he's always asking his kids about it and it becomes a normal routine. It's not the exception. It just becomes like breathing air. It's a part of their family life now. And that's what we got to get to, like Martha said. That's awesome. That's awesome.

And so now the third person that I want to give tips to, and I'm just going to say it. The listener or viewer right now that's going through this and they are listening and it's like, I don't want to continue. It's time to people are. Have a few people that are your safe people. And call 988, text 988 for resources. And, you know, keep talking, keep talking, don't stop talking. Let someone know how you're really, really feeling. Yeah. And I would also say that help them understand they are not alone. This is not abnormal for people to feel hopeless or alone or irritated. You know, the key piece is staying here and working through it with your loved ones, people that you care about, whether it's a friend member, a family member, and realizing that there is help out there

to get you through this. You don't need to take a permanent action to a temporary problem. And we can work together on it. And I always say that if Ella knew the pain that we went through, she would never, I mean, she was in so much pain that she really, she didn't want to die.

She wanted to end the pain, but she, if she knew the sorrow and the hurt that we've gone through, I don't believe she, I don't think she would have done it. So understand that people love you. We need you here. That's awesome. That's awesome. And that's so powerful too, because you're right. I mean, even the highest of highs don't stay there, right? Like we all go through the ebbs and flows and you hit on exactly what I taught the people about Chris. It's just love. It's you are loved even when you don't realize it. And sometimes, you know, I'll be honest. And this was some things that, you know, we had to do in our family, right? Like, you've got to realize that everyone in your circle isn't there from a loving space. And sometimes your circle has to change because you can't see the love that you have because you have a big roadblock in front of you or a big cloud surrounding you, but somewhere outside of that cloud, somewhere on the other end of that roadblock, there is love.

And so you've got to be able to remove those obstacles. And a lot of times there are people or things that you think are the driver of happiness and success. And that's really not it. And Nick, I would add, there's probably a fourth category of people listening to your show right now.

And I'll be very specific. There are people of color like you and I that don't think that black people die by suicide. And they need to realize that, unfortunately, this is happening to our population. And unfortunately, black people are dying at a higher rate of suicide than any other ethnic group across the country. And that's one reason why we want to go out and talk to people, let them know that this impacts everybody. But right now, in particular, students of color, and we got to not keep our head in the sand. We got to talk about it. We got to realize that we are impacted by this as well. And we got to understand there are resources out there. That's one reason why Martha and I talk to Boys and Girls Clubs. We want to go to the Jack and

Jill's and YMCA's of the world. The reason why we want to even get to church is because clergy can also talk about the importance of whole health. So it's not just, this impacts everybody. And I want folks to understand there's help out there between the defensive line, between other great organizations to help recognize the signs and give them the resources that you need. No, you're exactly right. I mean, in our community, Chris, this big stigma, right? Like, especially for men, you gotta be tough. You know, the buck has to stop with you and, you know, you can't be vulnerable. And that's the furthest thing from the truth because there are, and it's not a weakness to talk and rally. I mean, you know,

I'm, I'm a spiritual religious person. My mom is a minister now, right? Go to church on Sunday. Everybody's crying. And if you're not crying, you didn't have the right service. It's okay to be emotional. It's okay. It's okay to, to show that you love and to show that you care. You don't have to be tough all the time. It's not a good thing to be tough. That's not a thing. What's good is to be a good human being. What's good is to build community, to inspire and motivate and move others. To me, that's what being good is about. Absolutely. Amen. Amen. And so I also want to talk about how people can get involved, right? So you've got your nonprofit, your community. How can we support your community? So, you know, one thing is following us on our social media platforms, the defensive line.

And one, because we'll put out things now and again for people to support. I know, you know, one thing we have coming up, we do party for a Purpose around the Super Bowl. You know, so giving people options on ways to support. In January, it's Ella's Call Home. And the three of us have just gone out and supplied snack packs to homeless people. But this year we're asking people to go out and do that because mental illness among homeless is so huge. And to provide a little bit of extra love, just a little bit, you know, and not just hand someone something and turn and walk away,

but look them in the eye and let them know that you care. Because it's so easy to just keep walking with your head down. You know, so there are ways throughout, but also really connecting. The biggest thing we can do for our organization, for all of our people, is connect with those around us. Yeah. And the other thing I'll share is right now, we've got a silent auction going on. If you go to our socials, you'll see it. And the reason why we raise that money is because when we do these workshops in high schools, we want to promote the high schools for free, but we need funding to do that so that we can give it to the schools for free. So as your listeners want us to come into their school district, please reach out because that's where we can make a difference.

Talk to teachers and coaches and counselors. The other thing is we do this. We do our presentations and our D-Lines workshop at corporations. We do it at universities. So if you want us to do it there, we can make things happen. We do panels at corporations, universities, and schools. And Martha has developed an excellent parent university so that we can have conversations with parents that can be done live time and or virtual. And that helps educate parents, particular parents who may not understand a lot about mental health and suicide prevention. So our goal is to grow and expand by doing those things in universities, schools, and corporations.

And if they reach out to us through Chris at TheDefensiveLine.org or Martha at TheDefensiveLine.org, we can then connect to the right organizations and set it up so that we can continue to educate people and save lives. I'm going to do my part. And I keep getting emotional every time I talk to you guys, but you're moving me. I want to set up some type of link that the listeners and viewers of Mick Unplugged, Mick Unplugged is going to match any donation or option through the end of this year, through the end of this year, because I'm a huge mental health advocate. I do a lot of speaking across the country, and one of my keynotes is on mental health,

and I'm a huge advocate. So Mick Unged. We'll match donations through whatever link that we'll set that up. We'll make sure that it's here and live. For the listeners, challenge me. Challenge me. I'm matching. Challenge me. Challenge me. That's powerful. I'm ultra competitive. Listeners and viewers challenge me because I'm matching and I said it and we'll have every. That is I want to support you both because it's needed. Thank you. It's needed. Thank you very much. Anything else that we can do, anything that we can follow? Like what's coming up for you both personally?

I know, you know, I'm a huge fan of what Rose is doing at Players for Good. And anytime I can support her, I'm going to. Anytime I can support the organization, I'm going to. So what's coming up for you both on a personal level or business level? Well, we have football season, Monday night football about to start. So always cheering our son on with the Jets. And, you know, that is something that is, has brought us so much joy to be able to watch him play and do what he loves. So that's that's really cool. We have a busy September suicide prevention month.

We have a few keynotes of going to a few universities during the week and going to the games on the weekend. So I would just say one of the things that we're looking forward to doing is we've been selected by the Clinton Global Initiative to be a commitment action partner. And why that's important to us, it allows us to increase scale with our training to help to spread it so we can also add more lived experience storytellers, as well as find a way to put it in English into Spanish and hire 2000 trainers so that we can get this training across the country. I mentioned the results that we're seeing when we do the suicide prevention training, but right now it's Martha and I doing it by ourselves. So with their support, we're going to be able to scale this and get it across North America.

And so there are details of that, how people can help out on that on our website. But that's a huge piece for us right now, because we really want to get this into as many schools, universities as possible. But it also obviously takes money and funding to do that. And the Clinton Global Initiative has given us this platform to do it. So we really appreciate it. We'll send you the link on that if you want to put in the show notes as well. But that's a big part for us right now. Wholeheartedly. We'll have the show notes full of all ways to help because like I said, this space is underserved. Yes. And I'm going to do my part. My listeners and viewers will do their part to make sure that we do our part in making awareness around this for sure.

That's awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you. You both are awesome. Anytime, and I mean this from my soul, and this is being recorded. I'm not even editing this out. Anytime that you need me, don't ask. You just tell me.

Thank you. Thank you. Anytime you want to be back on the show, don't ask. You just tell me. Thank you. Anytime you want to be back on the show, don't ask. You just tell me. One thing I want to do, I want to come to one of your keynotes, brother. So you got to let us know when you're speaking so we can come listen to you. I'm sure it's powerful. We love

attending conferences and learning. So please let us know when you're speaking, please. I've got one better for you. I'm going to call you. I've got something that I need from you. So I've got you. Don't worry about that. Thank you very much.

I've got you covered. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've been honored and blessed with Martha and Chris Thomas. I love you both genuinely. I love you dearly. Love you too. And I'm going to do my part to stand beside you in this awareness. Thank you very much.

God bless you, brother. Thank you. You got it. And for all the viewers and listeners, remember, you're because. Use your superpower. Go unleash it. Thank you for tuning in to Mick Unplugged. Keep pushing your limits, embracing your purpose, and chasing greatness. Until next time,

stay unstoppable.