Mick Unplugged - Gary Forbes: Unlocking Success Strategies From the NBA to Entrepreneurship

Starting point is 00:00:00 Plan B all the way to Z is to make Plan A work. Always have that kind of mindset and vision and just that love. Like when you were a child, plan A was to play basketball and have fun and be the best and score a whole bunch of points. So to have that same mentality and love for the game and around the game and what you do, I think, you know, those kind of experiences will come to you. Welcome to Mick Unplugged, the number one podcast for self-improvement. leadership and relentless growth. No fluff, no filters, just heart-hitting truths, unstoppable strategies, and the mindset shifts

Starting point is 00:00:39 that separate the best from the rest. Ready to break limits? Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged, and today we're talking about going from the MBA to navigating life with diabetes. He's a global hooper turned after

Starting point is 00:01:00 advocate, entrepreneur, and mentor. His story is one of grit, grind, and giving back. Please join me and welcoming the resilient, the driven, the unshakable, Brooklyn's finest, Mr. Gary Forbes. Gary, how you doing today, brother? I'm well, I'm well. I'm blessed and highly favored, as my grandmother would say. Yes, sir.

Starting point is 00:01:18 Yes, sir. Grandma always had the right words for us all the time, right? Gary, man, been a huge fan of yours. I remember your days at Virginia. Yeah, I'm a UNC Tar Hill, so I actually got to see you play at UVA then going on to UMass and then having a wonderful professional career, man. I always love starting out by asking my guess, what's your because, that thing that's deeper than your why, right? Like, I can ask you your why, but I could probably guess it. But there's a reason that your why is your why, and I like to call that your because.

Starting point is 00:01:59 I think for me, I'm learning it as I'm in it right now. I think my because is I think the world is missing optimism. I feel like that's one of my superpowers. I just look at every opportunity or every situation as an opportunity to either win or learn. Obviously, being an athlete has taught me that, you know, you lose some games. I had to learn that very young, you know, I used to cry about every loss, and that would show my passion and my dedication to it. But I would also have to learn the lessons from it and how to get better and how to not make those same mistakes. And that's what I'm learning now with life after basketball, you know, managing, you know, a business and then also being a new father.

Starting point is 00:02:53 So all these different kind of things are new, and I'm enjoying the process of it. Obviously, just having that athlete mindset in it. Yeah, well, congratulations on New Fatherhood, man. Big honor, big responsibilities. It's amazing, man. I helped create my little breast friend, a digital twin of myself, or a replica, not digital. I love that, man. I love that.

Starting point is 00:03:21 So talking about, you know, the optimism that you have and that being your superpower, I would say for anyone that ever saw Gary play ball, man. Like, you saw it in your expression. I think it was infectious with your team. Like, no matter what was going on, you always were like that bright spot. When did you know that you had that superpower? I think it was around in high school. One of my coaches would say, you know, I'm kind of have like an energy.

Starting point is 00:03:49 I'm always like smiling. I'm always, you know, thinking the best situation possible. You can ask my family. I always have the, to them, these wild imaginations of these wild dreams. And I'm a bit cliche guy. So, you know, they're saying if you can see it, you know, it's true and all these different things. If, you know, what's in the mind is, you know, can be a reality. So I didn't know that I was practicing these things growing up as this was kind of like, man, this is what you're supposed to do.

Starting point is 00:04:23 My father would always say these things, and I didn't notice to recently in the last couple of years, he would always say, man, you're a Forbes. He would never be surprised if we would do good in school. He wouldn't be really surprised if I scored a whole bunch of points or we did great things. He would be like, you're a Forbes. You're supposed to do these things. So I think in high school, it may have come off of this arrogance kind of thing, like, you know, he thinks he's better then. but now that I'm learning what I was practicing during high school

Starting point is 00:04:56 was like a form of optimism like I believe that I can do anything that I put my mind to and that goes for anybody if my last name was Jones or if my last name was Rodriguez whatever my last name would have been he would have said that

Starting point is 00:05:08 your last name is whatever it is you know you're a descendant of me I'm this way so you're a better version of me so you know pass that on I love it man so I always like to ask this to to sons and fathers who played sports. How old were you when, like,

Starting point is 00:05:25 your dad couldn't beat you anymore? My dad, I think, let me see. I think you're all, like, I want to say, like, eight, nine years old, man, it was over for him, man. I don't think it was, he didn't last too long. My older brother is the one who taught me how to play basketball. I remember when I first moved to the United States,

Starting point is 00:05:48 we were in New York, we went to 258 Park. and we watched NBA on NBC, Michael Jordan, against the Knicks or something like that. And I was like, man, this is what I want to do. And I remember we went to the park. I was doing the dribbling between my legs. Obviously, you know, the pavement in New York is kind of rocky, so you got to deal with that.

Starting point is 00:06:10 But I remember we were at the park, and, you know, we were practicing layups and all these different shots, and there was something that I wasn't that good at yet. And it was something I was, you know, I wanted to get better at it. I was something, you know, basically addicted to it. Yeah, I love that, dude.

Starting point is 00:06:24 I love that. So, superstar in high school. It's Marie Antoinette Month on the Vulgar History Podcast. Every week in September, we will be talking about the notorious French queen. Why is she still talked about today? Did she really say, let them eat cake? Spoiler, she did not. Why do people still think she deserved to have her head cut off?

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Starting point is 00:07:03 That's a funny story. I used to wear a UNC shirt every single day to practice. I remember my sophomore year in high school, every single day I wear it under my practice jersey, go home and wash it. That was the school I wanted to go to. And I remember UNC was recruiting me going into. to my senior year.

Starting point is 00:07:21 The week before I go on to visit, my plan was to go and commit there. I had other schools, ACCC schools, but my plan was to go and commit there while I'm there. And the week before I go there, Ray Sean Terry commits a week before I go to commit. Mm. Man.

Starting point is 00:07:40 That was a hometown guy, kind of guy. I was like, oh, man, that's tough. Yeah, Ray Sean's from Greensboro. You got about the same height, same deal. So couldn't have to. two of you on the roster, huh? Well, man, we don't know, man. We don't know. That's dope, man.

Starting point is 00:07:56 But you had an illustrious career, man, like did some amazing things at UMass. I think your senior year conference player of the year, right? Yep, yep, yep. Man, so what was that like? Gary Forbes, Brooklyn's finest, right? You're at UMass, and your senior year, you're conference player of the year.

Starting point is 00:08:16 And for those that are listening and watching, I don't think you understand. There's a lot of players in your. conferences right like so for you to win player of the year like what did that mean for you what was that moment like for you um for me i was really trying to win um and my for me what my role in winning was scoring rebounding passing kind of doing everything at a high level um and i was literally focused on winning and doing the best i was trying to get the most rebounds trying to get the most points you know steals i didn't have to do the assist too much because i

Starting point is 00:08:50 I would get past the ball. So that was my take on it. It wasn't necessarily chucking, even though I was kind of putting a lot of shots up there. But for me, I was just so driven at being the best at every single thing, and it would seem that way. And I remember I was in my apartment and coach called me, and he was like, how does it feel to be player of the year?

Starting point is 00:09:13 And I was just like, what are you talking about? And he was like, yeah, you're the player of the year in the conference. I was like, oh, man, that's like, cool. And I didn't realize, like I said, until now, it's like, my father would always put these things in year four, which is supposed to do that. And I felt like, yeah, I am the best player in the conference. Like, I am supposed to be the player of the year. So that kind of thing always kind of messed with me a little bit, I guess, in a sense where I wouldn't necessarily appreciate these, like, these goals.

Starting point is 00:09:44 Now that I look back, I was like, man, I was the player of the year in the conference. Like, man, I did this. I did this. I was like, wow. But during it, it was almost a, yeah, I'm supposed to be this way. I'm supposed to be awarded this. Yep, yep, yep. So I want to go back to this optimism thing, man, because, you know, going into the NBA,

Starting point is 00:10:04 your professional career, you have type 1 diabetes, bro. And for a lot of people, like, even that smile you have right now, right? For a lot of people, man, like, like, I know it was life changing for you. But when you talk to Gary Forge about it, when you, in that moment, it was like, all right, it's just another thing I got to deal with, right? Like, it's just another thing today. I got to make sure I'm prepared for, but I'm still going to be Gary Forge, man. So when you find out the diagnosis of type 1 diabetes and obviously it alters, you know, how you can handle life professionally being an athlete, talk us through that moment a little bit. I remember when I was diagnosed, well, the week or prior that I had the symptoms, I remember I gained a whole bunch of weight, like muscle at the University of Virginia.

Starting point is 00:10:59 We were drinking these Gatorade protein shakes. I remember I had 52 grams of sugar or carbs and then another 20-something grams of added sugar. And my father would always be on me. He's like, man, you're not supposed to be, you know, eating too much of that, telling me all these different things. and my hard-headed stubbornness is like, man, like, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm in the ACC, I'm supposed to be, I'm going at 190. I'm like, man, I got to play against Rashall McCants

Starting point is 00:11:25 and all these, you know, the Dukes, the Carolinas, the Clemsons, all these big schools, so I got to get stronger. So my idea is like, I got to drink these shakes, get in the weight room, and my father would always tell me that it's too much. And I guess in a way, we didn't, he didn't really talk about diet.

Starting point is 00:11:44 diabetes too much. He would more so show it. Like, I didn't see a weakness. My father would take injections, go to work, lift, teach me how to, you know, do Olympic lifts and do everything normal. I didn't see any kind of disability in a sense. I didn't see a lack. And when I was diagnosed, I remember I got the test. The doctor said, you know, you may need to put basketball to the side, you know, to focus on your health. And I understood, I understand that now what he was saying. But, You know, my stubbornness is like, all right, this doctor doesn't think I could do it. All right, watch. And, you know, I remember everybody in the family was sad. Obviously, I was like nervous. It was like, all right, what is this? And it's like, my dad talked to me. And I'm like, all right, I've seen my dad do it.

Starting point is 00:12:31 All right, I could do it. The only thing I did have a fear of needles, I've always had a fear. I've watched this movie, saw when the lady was in the little pit with all the needles. So ever since all these different things, I had this. But I remember the first day, I remember the nurse was trying to teach me how to do injections with saline. And I was like, nah, you know, maybe there's a pill or something you guys come up with some kind of form of way. See, and there goes my thinking of there has to be some kind of different way, you know, to figure this on. I was like, nah, you got to do this.

Starting point is 00:13:04 And I missed class that first day because I'm just sitting there at my, you know, my table in my dorm, looking at the syringe and looking at the vial. I was like, all right, I see my dad do this, all right, I could do this, I could do this. And I talked myself, it took me a couple of hours until I talked myself into doing it. And once I did it, it's like, oh, okay, it's not that bad. And I can still do everything. I went to practice. I'm still playing.

Starting point is 00:13:27 It's like, all right, it's not really a big deal. I just have to be more attentive to me. Right, right. Nah, that's good stuff, dude. That's really good stuff. So you transition from professional sports. into the business world, right? But there's that mentality that you had.

Starting point is 00:13:47 So how did that mentality help you into the business world? I remember in 2018 when I came up with the concept of Soul Survivors, which is the platform that I created. And I was like, man, I didn't, it's not that I didn't want to do coaching. It's like I didn't feel like it would wake me up every single day. I didn't feel like that was my purpose. Yeah. I knew that having a diabetic coach.

Starting point is 00:14:12 six knee surgeries, you know, being one of three players to ever play in the NBA with type 1 diabetes, it's like, all right, this has to mean something. This has to be more than, you know, just coaching basketball. And that's, you know, for some people, that's their purpose, that's their, you know, reason. I just didn't feel like that was solely mine. And I looked at all the experiences and creating soul survivors. I've played in different countries, met different people, experienced different situations. And I just had a different. perspective of it. And I wanted to figure out what was that way to, you know, impact or share that with the world. And I love, you know, children. I have this kind of childlike mentality anyway. Everyone says I always play around. I'm just that giggly kid. So it's like, man, I have to find a way to connect with the youth who are going to be adults someday and carry that on and pass on a legacy. and that shared optimism through difficult challenges. I didn't realize until a couple of years ago, it's like, man, you're one of three players

Starting point is 00:15:17 to have ever played in the NBA with type 1 diabetes and the only Afro-Latino. It's like only 5,000 people ever played in the NBA, and you're the only one just, you know, first. It's like, wow, that's kind of, you know, unique. And just I want to share that perspective and that mindset with the youth who are, I've, from what, I've seen what my take on it is.

Starting point is 00:15:42 There's a lack of confidence. There's a lack of optimism in seeing kind of that, man, you can, you, you know, you will, you must, you got to keep trying all these different cliche things that I live by and follow by. So that's what I want to pass on with the platform. And it's taken, it's still, it's still, it's still taking some time. But I believe in the 10,000 hour rule, you know, if you put in 10,000 hours, you become a professional at it.

Starting point is 00:16:09 I think I'm just about 10,000. I mean, I'm a published author. So, you know, now the goal is to get New York Times and just create a global impact. So let's talk about that, man. Like, published author, about to be a bestseller. Again, that mentality that you have, that mindset that you have, when did you just say, all right, I'm about to write a book? It was in, it was in, towards 2017, 2018. I wasn't getting the same deals.

Starting point is 00:16:40 And I started to understand it from a business side. It's like, all right, this guy's getting older. Even though I couldn't do the same things, it's like, all right, six knee surgeries. He has type 1 diabetes. There's, I kind of play it in a funny way to, it's like a Carfax report. It's like, all right, you got two Toyotas, one has, or two Lexuses, one has 100,000 miles, one has 50. The other one has been in an accident, you know, the other one hasn't. It's like, all right, which one do you, you know, you choose?

Starting point is 00:17:07 It's the same car, but one is a little bit, you know, more damage. Even though this one that's still reliable, it can still get you from A to B, still do all the same things. It's like you're going to choose the one with less mileage, I guess. So I started to understand that. And I remember I came home from, I forget what, maybe Argentina. And it's like, man, it's like, I got to figure something out. And I remember I sat in the room and I cried.

Starting point is 00:17:33 It's like, I'm a super emotional guy. So it's like, man, I got to, I have, there has to. to be a way. There has to be something else. And it took a little bit of time to figure it out. And it just clicked for me one day. It's like, I have to write a comment book. And I remember my parents is like, you can just go coach. You know, you do this, do this. Everyone had the answers. And I think, you know, it could have been, there's a space where, you know, I do do that. But I don't know. I felt like what I, what I've, what I'm creating and what I've created thus far as needed, especially in the space that I'm doing it in.

Starting point is 00:18:08 Yeah. I've always wanted to ask you this, Gary, right? Because you're a huge, in my mind, and I know people that look up to you, we have a same circle of friends. You're a big time mentor, right? When did you know that also you could mentor others? Because I get asked that question, and I'm like, I don't know. I just looked up one day and, like, people were reaching out to me.

Starting point is 00:18:39 People were wanting advice for me. And it was like, people were calling me mentor. And I was like, that's different. When did you know that moment for you? I kind of looked back and I was doing it the entire time without really knowing that I was being a mentor. I remember one of my diabetes awareness events. It was a softball event.

Starting point is 00:19:00 And one of the parents came to me and she was like, thank you for what you do. you know, you're amazing, and it's like, I'm thinking in my head is, I'm playing basketball, I'm doing something for the community, it's being, you know, a normal human being. And she said, she gave, she told me a story that her son wanted to play basketball, and he got in the car with his father after school, and he was with his friend. He was like, Dad, the basketball tries her tomorrow, you know, can you sign me up? He was like, oh, you can't because you have type 1 diabetes. And, you know, fortunately, his friend was in the car.

Starting point is 00:19:33 He's like, Gary Forbes has diabetes. He plays an NBA. And I like that. It still kind of gives me, like, chills, like, thinking about it. And I remember when she told me that and I gave her a hug. I was like, wow, that's really cool. And I, it still didn't really click with me. Until recent years, you know, I had athletes who reached out to me, you know,

Starting point is 00:19:53 who are type 1 diabetic. How do you manage type 1 diabetes playing and, you know, in the NBA in college and all these different things? And it's been really cool. to go through those experiences and be able to share, you know, my, you know, my path and my journey to success or, you know, to help them even be better than what I did. I love that, dude. I love that.

Starting point is 00:20:16 For the listeners and viewers right now that are going through something, it could be something health related, it could be something spiritually related, it could be something at their job, right? what's some advice that Gary Forbes has to help people just push through whatever it is that you're going through in this season of life, man? Big cliche guy, a little by it. I have it in my Soul Survivors series. Your present situation is not your final destination. That's something that super powerful for me.

Starting point is 00:20:55 It's like, all right, you know, whatever troubles, you know, are happening now, The goal is for tomorrow or the next day or whenever it is in my future self, it's not going to be there. And even another one is to always doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith. You know, it's like my grandmother enlisted, I'm not super religious, but I am spiritual. I do, you know, have a conscious knowledge of a greater power. You know, my grandmother always told me, you know, I'm a child of this great creator. It's like, all right, you know, these challenges, I never call it, you know, even having type 1 diabetes, a disease or illness, I kind of change the wording to, you know, change something in my mentality. It's like it's a challenge. It's the health challenge. And I can overcome a challenge. I can manage it, live with it, be the best. Obviously be one of three to do it. So, you know, these things, you know, I know I can do it. So whatever has been put in front of me. I'm up for it.

Starting point is 00:22:00 I love it. And last question, Gary, for that athlete, right, that's like needing that push to keep going. Because you know how it is, especially in the NBA, right? Like free agency period we're in right now. And, you know, you might not get the call that you want, right? Or you've got to play the waiting game because teams are like, well, I got plan A. and what Gary can tell you is teams have all the way down to like plan Z, right?

Starting point is 00:22:30 So you might be playing Y if you don't realize it yet. For that athlete that's like, man, like should I keep pursuing my dream? What's your advice for that athlete? I even haven't helped. I have a plan A is to be, you know, a New York Times bestseller,

Starting point is 00:22:46 a successful business person. You know, plan B all the way to Z is to make plan A work. Always have that kind of mindset and vision and just that love. Like, when you were a child, plan A was to play basketball and have fun and be the best and score a whole bunch of points. So to have that same mentality and love for the game and around the game and what you do, I think it, you know, those kind of experiences will come to you. I've seen it done.

Starting point is 00:23:13 I've done it. There we go. There we go. All right, we're going to do my hot fire with Gary Fores, rapid fire. All right, Gary. So, you know, I have a lot of friends and men. mentors and buddies from from new york what's the best borough of basketball players all right so kenny kennie anderson my goat you heard that Kenny smith you heard that i'm from the town man

Starting point is 00:23:43 i got i got to i got to go home i got to go home court i got to go brooklyn what's what's the best place to get a slice in brooklyn right now cuts and slices in brooklyn right now cuts and slices in brooklyn So that's a promo. That is my spot, man. I went to the one in Manhattan down and so, like, the topping selection. Yeah, they got it. That's my boy. That's my boy.

Starting point is 00:24:09 Cutts and slices is it. All right. So what's one team that you never got to play for that you always wanted to play for? New York Knicks. I wanted to be in that trade with Mello when he went to the Knicks. I thought I was but that would have been fun to be home playing at, you know, my dad loved the Knicks

Starting point is 00:24:29 playing at the Garden would have been cool. That's what's up. That's what's up. Who was your best teammate of all of them? Still my guy today, Al Harrington. One of the godfathers of his children, my goddaughter Alea. Yeah, my boy Al.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Okay. What's the post-MBA, post-professional sports, What's the best piece of advice you ever got? You're a Forbes. I love it. You're a Forbes. That's very similar to my grandfather, man. My grandfather always told me, like,

Starting point is 00:25:09 the one thing you have is a name, and what you do with it is what you do with it, right? Like, your name precedes you and will outlive you. So it's what do you want to do with this? So I like Pop said, you're a Forbes, bro. You're Forbes. I love it. So Gary, man, where can people follow and find you?

Starting point is 00:25:25 And what's something exciting you have going on? Find me at Gary Forbes underscore at the Soul Survivors. www. The Soul Survivors.com. Right now, this week, we're going to Friends for Life in Orlando. It's a big diabetes awareness event. We're doing a campaign to sell 100 trilogies. We would love for everyone to be a part of that.

Starting point is 00:25:53 The goal is to impact and empower children with chronic health conditions. There are over 2 to 300 million children globally. So this is a global impact that are affected by a chronic health challenge. So we're just, not just, we're going to impact and change the mindset and lifestyle of children all across the world and make them feel like heroes because they are. And that's the mission and goal with soul survivors. A lot to come, a lot to do. We're doing big things. The goal is to be everywhere.

Starting point is 00:26:29 I love it, man. So I'll make sure we have links to everything in the show notes and the descriptions. Everyone do me a huge favor. Follow Gary on all those platforms. Go check out soul survivors. And just appreciate the human being that Gary Forbes is, man. I can't think of it. My love, big love, big love.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Likewise to you, everybody who's on this, if you ain't should subscribe to the Mick Hunt joint, you know, got a click, got a click. Let's do it, let's do it. Well, Gary, I appreciate you, brother. I know how busy you are. This meant the world for me to chop it up with you. And to all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower.

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Mick Unplugged - Gary Forbes: Unlocking Success Strategies From the NBA to Entrepreneurship

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