Mick Unplugged - Leveraging Your Zone of Genius with Amina AlTai

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Starting point is 00:00:50 And a weekday group pass offers the same weekday travel flexibility from $30 for two people and up to $60 for five. Buy yours at gotransit.com slash tickets. What happens when ambition stops serving your purpose and starts draining your peace? And today on Mick Unplug, I sit down with my really good friend, Amina Altai, an executive coach, author of the ambition trap, and one of the leading voices on purpose-first leadership. We impact the mindset shift that you need to go from painful ambition to purposeful ambition. We talk about the toll of success that doesn't serve you. And at the end, in our quick five, we talk about her favorite brand of peanut butter. It might surprise you.

Starting point is 00:01:29 Ladies and gentlemen, I present my good friend, Mr. Amina Altai. You're listening to Mick Unplugged, hosted by the one and only Mick Hunt. This is where purpose meets power and stories spark transformation. Mick takes you beyond the motivation and into meaning, helping you discover your because

Starting point is 00:01:48 and becoming unstoppable. I'm Rudy Rush, and trust me, you're in the right place. Let's get unplugged. Meena, how are you doing today, dear? Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for having me. I need to bring you everywhere with me.

Starting point is 00:02:03 That was just the ultimate hype train. That was incredible. No, no, no. It's all true. It's all who you are. I mean, I've been a really big fan of yours. One of my favorite authors of all time, and we're going to talk about the books in a little bit.

Starting point is 00:02:17 But I love starting the episode off by asking my guest, what's there because? That thing that's deeper than your why that really keeps you going. So far to say today, Amina, what's your because? Yeah. I love that you ask that question because it's so beautiful. But my because is I have this belief that those of us that are called to purpose driven work are actually driving toward our version of Dr. King's beloved community. And so my because is I want to create my version of Dr. King's beloved community where we center justice, peace and equity. And everybody gets to live into the fullness of their

Starting point is 00:02:55 experience because imagine what kind of world we'd live in if we all had that. I love it. And I mean, I was so excited to get to ask you that question, right? Because a lot of my guests, a lot of my family, you know, our because centers around like our children or, you know, some of the things that we do, sometimes even our pets. But Amina, you're not the cat lady. You're the, you're the plant lady. Talk about your love of plants and all the really cool things that you do. with your children? Oh my gosh. Well, I have to tell you kind of like a sad story. So oftentimes people will see this plant in the background of my recordings. His name is Herm. I've had him for nine years. He was a giant Monsterra. And when I first got him, I carried him home on the subway.

Starting point is 00:03:42 That's how small he was. He was, you know, carry him in your arms. And then he grew to like seven feet tall. But over the course of the last year, he wasn't doing so well. So I thought, okay, let me replant him. He'd gotten so big. I thought maybe he needs a bigger container. And I replanted him. Well, actually hired someone to replant him because he was too big for me to do it. And then after the person replants him, they're like, oh, I've never worked with this plant before. I hope it doesn't die. And I was like, what? What now? So fast forward, basically, Herm doesn't do so well in the transplant. But now I'm propagating him. So I took nine cuttings and I'm actually propagating it into a new plant that I will put back together. But I do love my plant children and

Starting point is 00:04:20 I just had a very, really hard experience. But I thought it was a metaphor. I was like, Herm outgrew the pot, and he got too big, and he needed new roots. And I feel like that's such an important metaphor for all of us. There are times in our lives where we need new roots. So it feels like a burning down, but it's actually a rebuilding. So that's the metaphor I'm running with with this. I love it. I love it.

Starting point is 00:04:41 I love it. I love learning different things about you. So it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. I want to talk a little bit about the ambition trap. Multiple time bestseller. right? And for those that haven't written books, let me explain it to you. Like, bestsellers are like the previous weeks info, sales, and data. So it's not like you write a book and it's a bestseller forever. So one, this is how dynamic the book is because it's a multi-time bestseller, which is amazing, I mean, by the way. But let's talk about the reasoning and the logic behind wanting to put that book out. What was that? What was that concept like for you? you. Yes. So the book is called The Ambition Trap, and I'm somebody that has deeply studied ambition for basically my whole life. I am the child of immigrants and really watched my dad struggle to kind of find his place in the world. And, you know, I picked up a lot of that programming too. I was told, like, keep your head down, work really hard, be the hardest working person in the room, first one in, last one out. And that worked for me until it didn't work for me. And I ended up getting very sick and getting two autoimmune diseases. But it happened in this really

Starting point is 00:05:53 fashion where my doctor called and was literally like, if you don't change your ways, your days away from multiple organ failure, you have to shift whatever you're doing. So I knew this was like six years into my marketing career at the time. I had to change my relationship to ambition and success. And eventually a few years after that, I went on to become a coach, but I had this front row seat to other really ambitious people. And most of my coaching practice are women and other historically excluded people. And so I noticed that we all had this really tenuous relationship with ambition because we're told to take up space.

Starting point is 00:06:26 We're told to speak truth to power. And then in the same breath, we're told not to. So there's this push, pull, double bind, right? This not good enough to taking up too much space. And I saw all of us really rumbling with that. And so I wanted to deeply study and explore ambition. And I came up with this framework where I think ambition is neutral and natural. It's just a desire for growth or a wish for more life.

Starting point is 00:06:47 And that's inherent in every living thing on the planet. planet from our human babies to our plant babies. But we make it right for some people and wrong for others. And there's two orientations of ambition. It can be painful, which is driven by our core wounds. And that's when we have this insatiable desire to chase because we're coming from a place of pain. And then my invitation in the book is to pivot into purposeful ambition that's connected to our truth that's coming from a place of wholeness. And so that was the impetus for the book and sort of be the thesis of it. I love it. And I want to go into that because you do talk about painful and purposeful ambition. And so for those that are watching, those that are listening,

Starting point is 00:07:25 we have the expert here. I mean, how do you distinguish between painful ambition and purposeful ambition? Yeah. So painful is driven by the core wounds. So there's five core wounds. And a core wound is an initial injury of the psyche. It's sort of like an injury that happens in our formative years that shapes us. And so those wounds are rejection, abandonment, humiliation, betrayal, and injustice. And every single human has one. It's just a very human right of passage, even if you have the best parents on the planet. Like you'll just emerge with one either from the playground or vicariously. And as a result of the wounds who are a corresponding mask, so for example, if you have a rejection wound, the mask you wear is avoidance or withdrawal. If you have a betrayal wound, the mask you

Starting point is 00:08:09 wear is control where you try to control everything. If you have an injustice wound, the mask you can wear is rigidity or perfectionism. And when we build our ambition upon that, it's a bit of a house of cards. And so painful ambition is driven by those core wounds, and it has a couple of signatures. So it can look at, look like moving at unsustainable urgency, instrumentalizing our minds and bodies to get to the goal, this desire to win no matter the cost. And no matter the cost being the key fraser, because winning is lovely, right? But it's like when we're willing to hurt ourselves and others to get there. It can look like black and white, either or thinking. And then purposeful ambition, on the other hand, is it's more contentment based

Starting point is 00:08:45 versus that win no matter the cost. It's about being collaborative. versus like hyper individualistic. It's about honoring our needs versus hurting our body. So sort of the opposite of the painful piece. That's brilliant. Like truly brilliant. And it captivated me when I started reading the book, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:03 obviously the title got me the ambition trap. And I said, wait a second. Am I not supposed to be ambitious? Like hold on. And then going into the book, you're like, no,

Starting point is 00:09:12 but you need to understand the purpose behind the ambition. But then you also talk. about and highlight the interconnection of body, mind, and career. And it really, really stuck with me because, you know, as a serial entrepreneurs I like to be, I drive hard, right? Like I drive really hard. I, my friends laugh because I know one speed and one speed only and it's like, I'm never going to slow down. But the book did make me pause and it said, okay, I may never change how hard I run or how fast I run, right? I may never do that.

Starting point is 00:09:45 But I can talk about this interconnection that you brought up so brilliantly in the book. And so for those that are watching or listening, talk about that interconnection of body, mind, and career. At Capital One, we're more than just a credit card company. We're people just like you who believe in the power of yes. Yes to new opportunities. Yes to second chances. Yes, to a fresh start. That's why we've helped over four million Canadians get access to a credit card.

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Starting point is 00:10:38 And so the thoughts that we have impact our body, our nervous system impacts our thoughts, right? So all of these pieces are so intertwined. And if we live our lives in a dominantly sympathetic or fight or flight state, we're going to have fight or flight thoughts. It's also going to express as disease, right? So when we're thinking about ambition and our careers and hard charging and all these things, we have to bring our minds and our nervous systems on the journey. And it's exactly what you said. It doesn't mean that we can't hard charge, but it means we need to work harmoniously with these things. Let me give you an example.

Starting point is 00:11:08 You know, I think how we're taught about ambition is we think it's more for more sake all the time, right? More money, more power, more achievements. but I actually think it's cyclical, right? So I think it goes in cycles. So we have these seasons of growth where we, you know, I want to write a book. I want a promotion. I want to launch a new company, right? And you nurture your inner and outer environment.

Starting point is 00:11:25 You have this beautiful peak moment, right? Where if we're using the plant metaphor, it's like the petals come out. It's gorgeous. But then the seasons change and we wind down and we go back underground. And so I think it is perfectly fine to sprint in the growth periods, right? Like I cannot look you in the face and say that writing a book did not require me to sprint. Because it absolutely required me to sprint. And then, you know, after the push of the book coming out, I went back underground.

Starting point is 00:11:50 And I kind of nurtured myself again before I decided to rise and take aim again. And I think allowing that cycle, allowing ourselves to be in right relationship with our bodies, as we are ambitious, is so important and really important for burnout prevention. I needed that in the book because it was coming at the right time for me when I first read it. as you know, right, speaking that you do, writing a book, the appearances. And then, oh, by the way, you're also running businesses, right? You have clients that you have to meet the demand of. That's the part of the kids. Like, we run whole businesses while doing this too.

Starting point is 00:12:27 Right. And I'm like, you know, Amina and I have so much in common that your book was right there for me. So how do you as a coach, right, as a leader of people, how do you guide your clients and your peers? to build careers that feel as good as they look. Because, again, you go through this burnout. I shouldn't say burnout. You go through the sprinting stage, right?

Starting point is 00:12:52 And then everybody posts what they're doing on social media and it looks great. But it should also feel good to you as well, too. So how do you coach people through that? Yeah, I love this question. Well, first of all, we have to redefine success for ourselves, right? Because I think a lot of us are conditioned to believe it's something else. And anytime we're like success should look this way, we're using the language of should, we're usually in somebody else's belief system, right?

Starting point is 00:13:16 It could be cultural. It could be familial. And I had all these ideas about what success should be based on my immigrant parents and then realized, actually, I want something different for myself. Success for me includes my body being well. I think it should for all of us, right? I think that should be each of our birth rights. But so first of all, we have to reclaim success for ourselves and redefine it for ourselves. And second of all, we really have to collaborate with our bodies and our nervous systems. You know, I, I just had a birthday last week. And every year on my birthday, thanks, I write myself a little note and I say open it the next year on your birthday. And it's funny because I was reading last year's note that I wrote to myself. And one of the things that was at

Starting point is 00:13:53 the top of the list was, you know, I want ease for you. And when I thought about it, and I was like, ease has been on the top of my list for so long. And I thought about it. And I was like, you know what? I think I actually have achieved it. I was just thinking about it a little differently. You know, in the past, I thought about ease as like, oh, you know, there's so much spaciousness and, you know, I was thinking about it as a spaciousness, I think. And when I tuned into it this year, I was like, oh, at the level of the nervous system, I do have ease, right? I'm still sprinting. I'm still putting out a book. I'm still running a business, all of these things. But the way that my nervous system experiences that is very different than the way that it

Starting point is 00:14:29 used to. It's more rest and digest around it versus fight or flight. And I just had that moment about it recently. And so, you know, all of this is to say is we have to redefine success for ourselves. And I think also finding that harmony at the level of the nervous system. But inside the book, there's a five-part framework. And basically, I talk about how purposeful work and purposeful ambition hinges upon five things. And it needs to leverage our zone of genius. It needs to ensure that we're operating in a space that where values aligned, that we're connected to the impact that we want to have, whether that's our family, community, or the greater good, that our needs are met, and that's a big one, and that we're cultivating a sense of contentment.

Starting point is 00:15:09 And so when we've checked the box on all five of those things, we're usually flowing. Wow. That's what I'm glad I'm talking to you now. Again, like all the things that I had questions or that I would highlight in the book, like you're coming back and talking through them. Again, being a big fan of yours, I heard or saw an interview where you were talking about that zone of genius and how you'll work with people that are rock stars, superstars. athletes. And they're like, yeah, but I don't think I really have that genius zone. I just work

Starting point is 00:15:41 hard, right? I'm going to work everybody and then this thing happens. But talk to us about just that phenomenon a little bit that you're able to untap into people to help them understand. No, everybody has some type of genius and you help us get that out. I love when people ask me questions around the zone of genius because it is work that makes me so happy to talk about. So the zone of genius is a term that was coined by Gay Hendricks, who wrote the book The Big Leap. I highly recommend it. It's one of my favorites. And so I built upon this concept.

Starting point is 00:16:12 And I believe that all of us have a zone of genius. And I think a lot of us operate in spaces and work in organizations where we're usually in service to one person's genius, but that creates a lot of toxic dynamics. So in reality, everybody has a zone that they are off the charts brilliant at where we don't have to push force or effort. It's just innate. our gifts kind of flow in that space. And I always use the example of a child who's a musical virtuoso because they come to the planet with that gift, kind of, right? But they have to keep honing it and getting better at it to really, like, live into the genius. And that's available for all of us. But I cannot tell you, I think it must happen in virtually every coaching session. I cannot tell you

Starting point is 00:16:50 how many people I've sat across from. And they are just incredible humans. And they will look at me and say, I do not have a zone of genius. And I'm literally like looking at the gold medals in the background or like, I see the 360 reviews that they get inside of their organization. And it's so clear to me. But, you know, the way that we've come to understand genius, I think is part of the problem, right? We think that it's only high IQ scores. We think that it's only STEM, right? And when I was researching for the book, I traced the lineage of the word genius all the way back to ancient Rome. And it was often a hero and rarely a hero. And there was a study that was done by 92nd Street Y and they found that girls as young as six think that genius is a male trait. And so many of us have to reclaim that

Starting point is 00:17:32 word for us because we have these perceptions and ideas of what it looks like. But what I love about each of us having a zone of genius is that it democratizes it, right? Then there's no above or below. There's no power over because we each have a zone. And when we come together in it, that's where we shift things. So how magical is that? It's like no one's genius is better than anybody else is and we're all in service to each other. I just think that's like the best part. of it. So what's Amina's genius? Okay. So I think that it is seeing other people's genius and that sometimes I think sounds like a cop out. But the reason I can see other people's genius is because of the way that I hold a container is something happens in the first session with all my clients where

Starting point is 00:18:15 I look over and I'm like, oh my God, I love this person because I see them fully. Right. That's my gift is seeing other people fully. And then it's just so evident what their gift is from that place. but it's because I look through the lens of love, I think. Hmm. Okay. I won't count that as a cop-out. I pick up what you're putting down. I pick up.

Starting point is 00:18:35 I'm so glad. I do think it is a gift. And clarify, right, all of our zones of genius can be different. Like sometimes they are more power skills. Sometimes they're more hard skills. It looks different for all of us. There's no right or wrong way to genius. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:47 I agree. Can I ask what your zone of genius is? I think I have a unique ability. to see the path forward to make a result happen. So I'm so results-oriented. And I think I'm not unique. I think there are a lot of results-oriented people. What I think a zone of genius is for me

Starting point is 00:19:08 is the path to make the result happen. I can usually identify really quickly. That's cool. There's like a level of clarity. And I really love this body of work called human design. And human design, they refer to it as the opportunist in the way that your brain can connect the dots faster than anybody else is to get to the path. And it's like, oh, when people's brain works that way, I'm just like, that's amazing.

Starting point is 00:19:31 Yeah, yeah. I'm able to quiet noise to see the path. So, yeah, I think that's me. I also think you're an amazing listener. Oh, okay. I'll take that. I'll take that. I'll take that.

Starting point is 00:19:46 So one of your other zones of genius is helping organizations break through. through, I'm going to call it burnout culture, right? And really putting the action behind it. Because I think a lot of times your top, not your top A, but your type A CEOs and C-suite leaders, right? Again, it's that if I can do it, you can do it. If I'm willing to work 12 hours a day, then everybody on the team should be willing to work 12 hours a day.

Starting point is 00:20:19 Well, in 2025, 2026, that's not what the modern employee actually looks for it. And modern leaders shouldn't want that either. Talk to us about just that, getting rid of the burnout culture. Number one, why is it important? And then I think the most important thing for the viewers and listeners, what's like the first or maybe top two changes that leaders need to make to avoid burnout culture? You know, I think context is so important, right? Because like when those CEOs are like, I work 12 hour days, I work 70 hour weeks, we're not thinking about the context of their life, right? Oftentimes, they are making seven figures, multiple seven figures. Oftentimes, they have vast support, both at home and at work, right? And then we're speaking to people that

Starting point is 00:21:02 make, let's say, less than six figures and don't have that level of support, right? So I think context is so important. And so I think it's, you know, really challenging to say to somebody that is in such a different and much more precarious situation than you to be like, be the hardest working person in the room like me, because you're not the same. I think that's super important to say. And And your second question was, how can we get rid of burnout? Yeah. What are the top two things or action items that leaders can do to start to break that cycle of a burnout culture?

Starting point is 00:21:35 One of the things I think we can do that I think is a really positive thing to both for the individual and the organization is focusing on the zone of genius, right? Because if we are working in that space that we are off the charts brilliant at, what we can contribute, usually far outpaces what others can contribute in that space and what we can contribute in other zones. And so it just requires less energy and effort on the body, and that in and of itself can shift burnout. And organizations like that, right, because we're not saying like, hey, you know, shift to only working five hours a day or three days a week. We're saying, actually, this pivot into your zone of genius will serve the individual and will serve

Starting point is 00:22:11 the organization. So I find that that's a really positive change and a great way to language it. The other one that I have that, you know, I think sometimes is a tougher pill to swallow is the the urgency culture. So much of the time we operate as if everything is urgent and it's actually not true. Few things are urgent, right? And it's important for us to prioritize and address those things. But if we operate as if everything is urgent and we're constantly sprinting, that has such an impact on the body. And so I think shifting urgency culture is another really big one. I agree with you, which is why, again, we have so much in common. You know, I'm a huge believer in the Eisenhower matrix, right? Like you get task or you get things and you have.

Starting point is 00:22:50 have to quantify them. Is this thing urgent and important? Is it, is it urgent but not important? Is it neither urgent nor important, right? And so that's what we do because for me, I think the best way to achieve life is to work on things that are important, but not urgent, right? Like, if we're constantly in a spot of putting out fires, then literally that's all we do. And then at some point, you start just looking for fires to put out. And that becomes war, right? And so one of the things that I work with leaders on is how do you avoid that trap of the person who's really good at putting out fires at some point is just going to start finding fires? And then to everybody else, they're not really fires. And so I'm a huge fan of what you just said, because I can relate

Starting point is 00:23:41 in that sense for sure. That was so brilliantly said. And I think that I think I used to be that person. Like when I think about my marketing career, I was so trained to put out fires. Then I sought out the fires, right? But then you become addicted to chaos. And then you also can't access your higher level of thinking because you're just always in the chaos. Yeah. So I love how you language that.

Starting point is 00:24:01 I appreciate that. I appreciate that. You know, and I can't, I can't go a step further without also acknowledging something for you because what you don't know, Amina, is that, my sister, one of my aunts, a couple of my female cousins really look up to you in the work that you do. You are such a barrier breaker and you help women who are facing, and these are my words and my words only, so don't come at me with comments, but come at me because I'm a big boy and I can handle it.

Starting point is 00:24:39 But you help people that are facing systemic issues or systemic expectations. I'd love for you to talk about that journey a little bit and that passion that you have because you really are so valuable. You were so needed. And I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you so much for saying that. None of it is lost on me. and especially the part about like your cousins and sisters all of it like it's just so meaningful to me

Starting point is 00:25:12 and it like this is what gets me up every single day is I want to be in service and support of these people and the reason that I do it is that I think just very early on I realized like a lot of people realize right the starting line is not the same for everybody and all of our experiences particularly in the workplace are really different right it's not a meritocracy right and we experience a lot of harm as a result of it And, you know, like, that's something that I really want to shift in my lifetime. Like, how can we support a lot of these? So most of my clients are the first, the few, the onlys. So they are the first woman in leadership, the first person of color, the first queer

Starting point is 00:25:49 person, the first man of color, right? And they experience so much headwinds as a result of that, right? They have their very own glass cliff experiences where maybe they make it through the glass ceiling, but then they get pushed off the proverbial cliff and they experience a lot of bias. And it just requires a very particular lens and level of care to support those folks, right? Because they are navigating systems that weren't designed for them to thrive. And I think it's important that we have honest conversations about that. And, you know, I think that we are making some headway, right?

Starting point is 00:26:20 I don't think fast enough. We're making some headway, though. And so it does give me hope, but we need more people that look like you that look like me in these spaces, right, that are making decisions for the global majority. And so I just feel really impassioned about it. And, you know, as a woman of color who has invisible disability, right, who's had my own experiences like this, I just want things to feel different for folks because we spend more of our heartbeats at work than we do anywhere else. It should feel really good. And it just feels so broken for so many people. Again, can't thank you enough. Can't show you enough appreciation

Starting point is 00:26:53 and adoration for just who you are. So, so thank you. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. And thank you for all of the amazing work that you do in the world. I think that you are killing it. I look up to you so much and just so grateful that you would share your platform with me. Stop all that. It's all good. It's all good. So I'm going to get you out of here on what I call my quick five. So five rapid fire questions for me to get to know amina a little bit. Ready? Mm-hmm. All right. Your favorite comfort food is? Oh, I just had peanut butter. So that's top of mind. Oh, all right. So this is going to be a real deal-breaking question right here. What's your favorite brand of peanut butter then?

Starting point is 00:27:34 Oh, I always get the Whole Foods organic one. This conversation has just ended. You did not say GIF peanut butter, the greatest peanut water. I don't want a GIF for all. I'm so sorry. I mean, our friendship just ended. What's your favorite vacation spot? Oh, I'm going to say my grandparents' house, they've passed on, but like I never felt more grounded at home than I did in their house.

Starting point is 00:27:57 I love that. I love that. What's the biggest lesson that you've learned in the past year? that control is such an illusion and I learn it every year I'm humbled by it every single time I'm surprised by it every single time even though I know that we can control maybe one thing right but yeah I'm always humbled and surprised by that lesson I gotcha what has been a book or a phrase that has gotten you through the most I really do love gay Hendricks book the big leap especially about our zone of genius and our upper limits It just changed the game for me. It changed how I understood myself so much. And then this is not a book or a phrase, but I really love human design as a body of work as well

Starting point is 00:28:42 because it highlights everything that is right with you where I feel like so many bodies of work tell us what's quote unquote wrong with us. Okay. Good stuff. Good stuff. All right. Get you out of here on this one.

Starting point is 00:28:53 I know you do a lot of speaking. You've got to get really hyped up, or even if it's going to the gym, you get really hyped up what's playing in your ear. What's your hype song? Oh, my God. I feel like it's so trite, but I love that song Brave by Sarah Barry Ellis. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:09 Yeah. I feel like that's everybody's walkout song, so I need to come up with a new one. But that I'm a little basic. And so that's my answer to say. Good stuff. Amina, totally enjoy spending time with you. A couple of things. Where can people find and follow you?

Starting point is 00:29:23 Thank you so much. You can find me on Instagram at Minna Altai. You can also find me on LinkedIn, same name. And my website is menataltai.com. And I'm sure the spelling will be in the show. notes and then you can get the book everywhere books are sold they may not have it in person so you can ask them to order it but everywhere books are sold the ambition trap i will have links to all of that totally i want everyone to to do me a favor make sure you're getting a copy of the book

Starting point is 00:29:51 and when you get a copy of the book message her tell her a couple things you love ask her questions like she's i promise you she's that engaging so make sure that you show her the love that you should Um, they're just so glad I could spend time with you today. I'm so, so grateful. You are such a real one. And thank you again for sharing your platform with me and for being endlessly inspiring and showing us all what is possible. Thank you. You got it.

Starting point is 00:30:18 And for all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it. That's another powerful conversation on Mick Unplugged. If this episode moved you, and I'm sure it did, follow the show wherever you listen. share it with someone who needs that spark and leave a review so more people can find there because i'm rudy rush and until next time stay driven stay focused and stay unplugged

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