Mick Unplugged - Mo Massaquoi: Football, Transition, and Building Relentless Personal Growth
Episode Date: June 5, 2025Mohamed “Mo” Massaquoi is a former NFL wide receiver best known for his time with the Cleveland Browns and a standout collegiate career at the University of Georgia. After a life-changing ...ATV accident in 2017 that resulted in the loss of his left hand, Mo’s story became one of resilience, transformation, and purpose. With a master’s in Industrial Organizational Psychology from UGA and executive development at Harvard Business School, Mo now leads as a consultant and coach, helping individuals and organizations navigate transition, and unlock their highest potential. His journey is a testament to the power of perspective, community, and relentless personal growth. Key Takeaways: Resilience Through Adversity: Mo’s journey illustrates how adversity, like his 2017 accident, can lead to profound self-discovery and transformation when faced with courage and a strong support system. Purpose Built on Service: Mo’s “because” is rooted in helping others through transition—recognizing that everyone faces challenges and that real strength is found in community, self-exploration, and service to others. Leadership Isn’t Lonely—It’s Collaborative: Mo emphasizes that leadership becomes isolating only when you refuse to let others in. The right team and open communication are essential to thriving as a leader or in any major life change. Sound Bites: “There is no individual hero… There’s a ton of people that are putting inputs in to kind of help you.” “Go within yourself—things that people are interested in may be the key to unlocking their gift.” “Leadership isn’t lonely, it’s isolated, because there’s a ton of people going through the same thing… you’re just not allowing other people to help.” Quote by Mick: “The game of sport is a business. And so now you go from being a player to having to think like a business person because you become a business yourself at that point in time as well.” Connect & Discover Mo: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ironmassaquoi/?hl=en Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohamedmassaquoi/ Website: https://www.thevessol.com/ Website: Players for Good FOLLOW MICK ON:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mickunplugged/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mickunplugged/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mickunplugged LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mickhunt/Website: https://www.mickhuntofficial.com Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mick-unplugged/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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You know, I lost my hand, but I gained a new perspective of who I was as an individual.
Things that were dormant are things that I took for granted.
I started to learn.
Um, and that came from just going within myself and the things that people are
interested in, that may be the key to unlocking their gift.
Welcome to Mick Unplugged, the number one podcast for self-improvement, leadership and
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged and today we might as well call this
the University of Georgia Showdown.
From former NFL stardom as a Cleveland Brown Rob receiver
to founding a consultancy whose mission is guiding leaders
through transformative change,
he embodies resilience and leadership.
After a life-altering 2017 accident resulting
in the loss of his left hand, he emerged stronger,
earning a master's in industrial organizational psychology
from the University of Georgia and completing Harvard Business
Schools Program for Leadership Development. Please join me in welcoming Independence High Schools, boom, University of Georgia,
one of my favorite all-time receivers. We're talking to none other than Mohammed Mohamed
Massaquah. Mohammed, how you doing today, brother?
I'm doing great, brother. How you doing today, man? I need to take you everywhere for introductions.
Mohamed, you know, I was telling you offline, man.
So I've got an uncle, shout out to my uncle,
Troy and Jackson, former University of Georgia,
running back, been a bulldog my entire life.
My entire family on my mom's side are nothing
but bulldogs, man.
And so being able to see you play in person,
like probably 15 times, just the athlete, I'm not gonna say that you work, cause you're still an athlete. The athlete that you play in person, like probably 15 times.
Just the athlete, I'm not gonna say that you were
cause you're still an athlete.
The athlete that you are, man,
the things that you were able to do
were pretty much unmatched, man.
So just thank you for taking time with us today, bro.
Well, I'm gonna say as you come from good pedigree
that all your families, Georgia fans, you were raised right.
I was raised right.
Now I'm gonna say I did go to the University of North Carolina.
So I personally am a Tar Heel.
I'm a Tar Heel as well.
There we go.
Yes.
Carolina, being from Charlotte, Carolina was one of my favorite schools growing up.
I still pull for them and everything.
And so that's my second home too.
Yeah.
So you understand it there, man.
Like very few people can be UNC basketball fans
and Georgia football.
Like there's almost nothing like it, right?
I'm a lifer and I was tracking the March Madness
and I was seeing Duke and all their talent
and I was like, no, I just can't take it.
So I wish all those young men all the best of luck
at the NBA level, but I did not want them
to come home with it.
Yeah, I tell people all the time,
Duke doesn't breed NBA players,
but we'll move on for that one.
So man, again, honored to be here with you, brother.
I wanna go back, not to the very beginning,
but I wanna go back to Independence High School, man.
Like a lot of folks don't understand,
you hear all the big schools from Texas
and California and Florida,
but I'm telling you in the Carolinas,
there's nothing like Independence football.
Like you talk about Friday night lights,
like Independence is that, a ton of stars
and you were definitely one of them, man.
So what was it like for you Friday nights
at Independence High School, bro?
See, people don't understand
because we have all the legacy basketball,
whether it's Duke or Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State.
There's a ton of good basketball talent
and people think that North Carolina is a basketball state
and largely it is,
but there's a lot of football talent
that come through there
the Jordan Davises of the world the Hakeem Nicks the Ty Curly and you know the list continues to
go on and so being able to go to a school like Independence and largely being able to play for
an individual like Tommy Knott's our head coach who's I think he's on 16-17 state championships
I think he's on 16, 17 state championships. During my run, it was 109 games in a row, seven straight.
And the fact that like losing wasn't an option.
It was, we're gonna set a goal,
we're gonna go hunt it down.
The fact that we're gonna work together as a team,
there's no individuals that are bigger than the team.
The fact that, you know, how disciplined we are
or how hard we work, all those things, you know,
I think was the undercurrent of allowing us
to really thrive.
And Friday nights were exciting
because you knew going out there,
you're gonna put yourself in a chance to win
and have a lot of fun in the process.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I love it.
And so then the decision to go to the University of Georgia,
I always love people explaining their decisions
to go to different schools,
whether they were athletes or not, because it's personal for everyone, man.
And so this is pre-NIL, right?
So for Mo, like, what was Georgia, like, without telling us the bag that they gave you,
like, what was it about Georgia that said, that's where I'm going?
Now, I play for Coach Rick, so there were no bags being exchanged.
Everybody that you saw, where that red and black came, because they really bought into
the culture.
What Coach Rick was building really bought into the university.
You've seen how the university's grown, great experience while you're on campus, great education.
Bulldog Nation, as everybody knows, is one of the best in the world.
You see a Georgia hat anywhere, you found a friend for life.
And the combination of all those things made it a place that was just, I knew I'd be comfortable.
Athens isn't that far from Charlotte door to door, it's under three and a half hours.
And so it's relatively close as you cross state lines.
The ability to play early, we were graduating two really amazing receivers
in Reggie Brown and Fred Gibson and so knew there would be an opportunity to
compete for a spot.
And the thing that sweetened it all, I got a chance to go with my high school
quarterback, best friend guy named Joe Cox.
And so we got a chance to go down there together and just increase comfort and
increase the opportunity to have somebody that's gonna, you know, just increase comfort and increased opportunity
to have somebody that's gonna make you familiar,
have somebody you can work hard with, just do life with.
And so the total package was one that worked out really well
and haven't looked back since.
I love it, man.
And knowing what Coach Rick means off the field, right?
You know, he's a family first, faith first kind of guy and I love mark rick to death
How did that translate for you playing for a guy like that?
Well, you know it's interesting because being an athlete people look at you one-dimensional
I want to know interesting things about coach Rick is people almost know him more of just as a person
That as a coach which is saying a lot because he had tremendous success at the university.
But when we leave the game or even when we're playing the game,
we still have to be complete humans.
We don't get a chance to just be athletic in this isolated domain.
And so whether it's getting your education or being a great family man or
being a great person in a community or knowing how to engage the community, or knowing how to engage with different individuals,
knowing how to adapt to different situations.
All those things were a part of the journey
and a trajectory, and I think it's helped
a lot of individuals transition out of football,
once our bodies can't do it anymore.
Yeah, man.
So true there.
A lot of great things that you did at UGA.
Got to play with Stafford, right?
I think one of your, I was actually at this game,
was it 82, 89-yard reception?
Florida.
Florida, yeah, man.
Yeah, man.
You know, we hate the Gators over here, so shout out
to my buddy, Brett Merrill. But yeah, the Florida game,
man. Was it 82 or 89 yards? We went 84. And it's just, I mean, Stafford's a guy that there's not a
place on the field that he can't put it in. He's just a great human being. Just was an honor to
play with him. Still track what he's doing now. Everybody's getting a chance to see his talent.
I think the guy, his arm is going to last until the 60s.
So it's just a matter of how long he wants to play.
So let's talk about that, man.
So I had an uncle who played in the NFL,
wide receiver for the Patriots.
And then, you know, he was telling me,
going to the Pro Bowl with John Elway
was the hardest ball he ever caught, right?
Like it actually shattered his pinky, catching a ball from John Elway was the hardest ball he ever caught, right? Like it actually shattered his pinky catching a ball from John Elway in the Pro Bowl. And everybody that I talked
to says the closest thing to John Elway's fastball is a Matthew Stafford fastball. What
was it like being ready to catch those bullets sometimes from Matt?
I mean, the first year that he was there, it was different. It's something that he probably
could have played pitcher in the MLB
if he wanted to, but it's such a live arm.
But I think one of the things that he's been able to do
is also put touch and precision and timing.
And so it's a combination of not just having a big arm,
but also being able to throw the pass that is needed.
You know, you see him throwing no look in the Super Bowl. You see him fitted in different areas with his arm angles.
And so once you get used to that,
it's something that is a gift because you're always open
and he trusts you to make a play for him.
You just gotta be ready, right?
Exactly, exactly.
That's what's up, that's what's up.
So you end up going second round to Cleveland.
And so you're the first person I've asked this
and I want you to be honest,
but I know you're gonna be honest.
When you heard you were getting drafted,
it's super excited, right?
When it was Cleveland, did you go,
oh man, I gotta go up there?
You know what's interesting?
This is just me and you.
Now I'll give you an honest answer.
So I'm from Carolina and we didn't get a lot
of Cleveland media.
And so I wasn't actually familiar with them.
And Cleveland had gone, maybe they finished like nine
and six, maybe a year or two before.
And so they had a complicated background
but they looked like they were up and up.
And then they, you know, took a dip
and then they brought a new head coach in.
And so I had no knowledge of what it would be going in.
And then you get the culture shock.
I remember flying from Georgia to Cleveland.
I left Georgia in shorts because it was 80 degrees.
I landed in Cleveland, it was like 40.
I was like, whoa, I've never seen anything like this in May.
And it was complicated
because there was so much change taking place where we didn't know
but the team in the background was being put up for sale.
We had a new head coach, we had multiple position changes, we had multiple player changes.
And so I would say it was just almost like a case study of change of what to do, what
not to do, how to set up structure,
how to set up stability.
And we never really got that while in Cleveland.
And I think we're still trying to figure that out
as an organization 15-ish years later.
Yeah, man.
So Mo, you're one of the brightest people that I know.
And being a psychology major,
having a master's in psychology,
I wanna take a step back now,
because I hear a lot of folks talk about this.
You go from high school and college where most everybody,
maybe not everybody,
but most everybody you're with loves the sport, right?
Like they eat, sleep, and breathe the sport. And then you go sport, right? Like they eat, sleep, and breathe the sport.
And then you go professional, right?
And you're in a locker room with people that,
for some of them, it's a job, right?
It's a clock in, clock out.
The love, the passion isn't there with everyone.
So for you looking back,
and again, you're one of the few people I can ask this
because I want you to take your psychology hat now, right?
So now looking back, was that something you anticipated, expected?
And then is there anything you would do differently to deal with that situation now?
It's a complicated question because some people are really talented but don't love it and can still be great players.
Some people's motivation are to change the trajectory of their family. Some people just
love to compete, whether it's basketball, football, accounting, engineering, they want
to compete. That's just how they're wired. And so you just see a different flavor of
it. The other side of that though, depending on the system that you're in, can change your
love of the game.
If you're losing, it's not a place that you want to be, it kind of wears on you.
If you don't necessarily have trust in your coaching or if you don't have trust that you're
going to be there, all these other factors, if you don't think that you're being compensated fairly, can change the purity of the game that we played on the street or
sideline tackle. When a car is coming by, you got to press time out. And so all those things,
really complicated. And if you're in a organization that is a little more volatile and
doesn't have that trajectory where you think you're gonna win,
the love of the game can change a little bit.
And so it's a little complicated.
Nah, I get that, man.
I get that.
I appreciate the honesty too,
because I talked to a lot of former athletes
or retired athletes, I'll say, not former.
And they always tell me one of the biggest shocks
that they walk into a locker room is just,
you know, everybody doesn't love it the same way. And at some
point that that becomes everyone else too, right. But I think for
the rookies going in, it's just like, Whoa, like, I love this.
I'm a historian of this. And then you have some guys that are
really like, hey, these meetings are over at three, I'm out,
right? I'll see you tomorrow when it's time to come back in. I don't are over at three. I'm out, right?
I'll see you tomorrow when it's time to come back in.
I don't want to talk football.
I don't want to talk basketball till it's time to.
And that was a big shock for a lot of people, but I always have the conversation
because I talked to a lot of athletes, especially rookies that the one thing you
have to understand going into this is it is a business from top to bottom. Right.
And it is going to operate like a business.
The game of sport is a business.
And so now you go from being a player to having to think like a business person
because you become a business yourself at that point in time as well too.
So loved your insight.
I mean, and it's, you have to invest in your body.
Um, nobody's going to baby you. I mean, and it's, you have to invest in your body.
Nobody's gonna baby you.
You have to find the right mentorship.
There's no guarantee that you'll be there next year.
There's no four year scholarships.
And so you have to earn your spot every year.
You have to continue to develop yourself,
even though you're one of 1,696 people,
you still have to figure out ways to get better.
You can be replaced at any time
because there's a new crop of athlete
that younger, cheaper, faster.
And then so that the desire to continuously compete,
what you put on film is your resume.
You're getting evaluated all the time.
And so you wanna make sure
that you put a good product out there.
And so it's a different animal from just,
happy go lucky you're on the team and you're just happy to be there.
You better be adding value to the team.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So Mo, now I want to go a little bit personal because I've never got to talk to you about
the 2017 accident.
And I want to take my time here and give you the light,
because I know you've told this story a lot,
but I want to ask it in a different way,
because you were a wide receiver.
So your hands, your fingers were your tool.
They were your craft, right?
And you have an accident where your tool and your craft,
part of it's taken away.
And for a lot of people that aren't mentally
tough, it's devastating. Not saying that it wasn't devastating for a moment for you,
but knowing the resiliency that you have and the inspiration that you are.
We don't have to go through the moment of losing of the accident, right? But the grit,
the resiliency, that switch that
said, I'm not going to feel sorry for myself because I have a bigger purpose. Man, like,
what was that like for you? Walk us through that because that's where I'm so inspired
by you. All the sports accolades, awesome. But this is why I love Moe Massaquah, because you literally were like,
hey man, like I can be down,
or I can become the person that I really am,
that I was supposed to be.
And I think you use that as that platform for that.
Yeah, I'll take that in multiple ways.
You know, one, you wanna to have a decent base before you
face adversity. Having the way that I grew up, the resiliency
through football, like, I almost built muscle memory so that if
it was something that shocked the system, whether I knew it or
not, I had a reference point that I could get through it. And
so I'd encourage people to put themselves in uncomfortable situations before they need
it because then they have a reference that I'll get through this.
The other part is to give grace because there are times where you don't know if you're going
to get through it.
And so in my case, people see me now, but they don't see the anxiety attacks.
They don't see the depression.
They don't see the crying. They don't see the crying. They don't see the despair. They don't see all the things behind the scenes
that you have to work through. And as you're working through them, they're not an isolated
journey where it's just me going through it. Just having a rock solid support system where
your wife is checking on you and making sure they're good. If she catches you crying in
the night where you are unshaven and don't have a haircut
and you got a friend that sends a barber to the house
that says, clean yourself up.
The ability to have someone like prop you up and say,
hey, you need to start working out.
You need to start doing this.
You need to start doing that.
And so there is no individual hero,
even though you may see like the character of a person
that looks like they've emerged through something,
but there's a ton of people that are putting inputs in to kind of help you. And then over time,
you're making progress. What you can't do is get so like sedimentary in whatever the
despair is that you don't allow people to add momentum because I'm eight years removed
now. And so I'd technically be in the same position
eight years later if I didn't allow people
to push me for it.
But now you almost get a little wind behind your sail
and then you can start to kind of pick up the pace
on your journey as well.
And so it's a, I can't take credit for all of that
to be honest with you, but it's just the inertia
of being in motion from a previous experience,
while also having an amazing tribe around me that is helping me through everything I've been able to do.
I love that, dude. And now taking that, because a lot of those same principles that you're talking
about, I know are things that when you're doing leadership development, when you're talking to businesses and corporations,
how do you take that same thing and then correlate it to a business?
Well, it's interesting because it's one and the same.
A lot of leaders think that they have to do everything by themselves.
You often hear leaders say, like, leadership is lonely,
and it's not lonely, it's isolated,
because there's a ton of people going through the same thing that you're going through.
You're just not allowing other people to kind of help and it's not lonely, it's isolated, because there's a ton of people going through the same thing that you're going through.
You're just not allowing other people to kind of help
what you're trying to accomplish.
I knew that I did not wanna be in that position.
I knew I had a greater purpose.
And so the vision for what you're moving towards,
if you don't have a vision and people can't buy into it,
if you're not continuing to iterate along the way,
I couldn't tell you eight years
ago that we'd be on this conversation, but it's an iterative process to where you know
where you're trying to go and along the way you're learning different things and you're
gaining different insights and you're developing yourself. And eventually you get to either
the target that you thought or better destination that you couldn't have foreseen prior to.
And so a lot of times I'm helping leaders understand, like, what is our mission?
What is the vision that we have?
How do we work really good as a cohesive team, but then as an individual, from a
role clarity standpoint, how do you give people an opportunity to do what they do
at a high level and the individual and the collection, they're working together
to achieve something and I'm an athlete, I'm a competitor, and so we're trying to perform, we're trying to put points on the board, and if you're not together to achieve something. And I'm an athlete, I'm a competitor. And so
we're trying to perform, we're trying to put points on the board. And if you're not trying
to do that, then you're going to get passed up regardless of it's an opportunity or a challenge.
And so that attitude of like, we're out here to compete, you know, you want to be the best podcast
in the world, not just in this discipline, but like in general, I want to be the best in the world. When that's your target, it continues to inspire you
to go figure out new ways to improve,
new ways to make tweaks, new ways to assess yourself,
new ways to be honest of what your weaknesses
and deficiencies are, and either hire for it,
improve it, work harder at it, something of the sort.
Yeah, man, I want to unpack one of the things that you said, because people do say, you know, leadership is lonely,
or it's lonely at the top. And I tell people this, because I do
leadership development as well. There are times where you're
going to be surrounded by a lot of people, and you're going to
feel lonely. That just means you're not surrounded by the
right people anymore. Right? Like when you outgrow the surroundings, you do feel lonely.
That just means now you need to look for those new surroundings.
You need to look for those new mentors, those new coaches,
maybe that new challenge to push you.
And so I love that you said that because I totally agree, man.
Like leadership isn't meant to be lonely,
but there are going to be times where you've outgrown a situation or you're not in the right situation
And you feel lonely because your surroundings have changed or your surroundings need to be different and that should always be your first signal
1000% and I feel extremely blessed because a lot of my friend group, they're athletes who have reached the
highest levels of wherever, they're business leaders, they're entrepreneurs, and they're
all hunters.
And so we're on a similar journey.
If I didn't have individuals like that, and I had to carry that burden all by myself,
but I can make a call and say, hey, I'm kind of facing this problem.
So I said, man, I just got through that.
Or somebody called me and said, Hey, I'm going through this situation.
You can talk through it.
And it's not the fluff that people kind of get enamored with.
I don't know, wake up and wash your face and, you know, run 50 miles a day.
And it's like, that's not even realistic, but tactically, how do we work through
these things to get us to the other side of the equation?
Yeah, absolutely, man. Absolutely. So I usually ask this question at the beginning,
but I wanted to let everybody remember who Mo Massaqua was from a football standpoint.
So I'm going to ask this question now, man. What is your because? What's that big purpose for you
that's deeper than your why? If you had to say, you know what, Mick, today, my because,
my reason is this, what would that be?
Wow.
You know what's interesting?
My because has changed.
And you have a near death situation
and you realize that one life is very fragile.
It's fleeting.
And so we have to make the most of it.
And we kind of take that for granted
depending on where we are in life.
But then the other side of that,
I feel like everybody's going through
some type of transition, you know,
and sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad,
but we got to work through it and we're going to go through many of them. And so I feel like guys
equip me with the ability to help individuals go through that transition and reach whatever the
highest form of their being is. And I enjoy that. And it's, I would have never anticipated this
because, you know, I was so focused on was so focused on sports and all that other
things stuff. But as life has just evolved and I've gotten these collection of experiences,
I just find myself engaging with people that are trying to figure this out. And it's just truly
a joy to try to help someone become the best version of themselves as they're switching and
transitioning through these different facets of life. And so my, because it's to just help,
just to help people on their journey.
I love that brother, I love that.
If you could give the listeners and viewers
like one or two tips for those that are struggling
to find their purpose or they don't know how to,
I don't wanna say grieve,
they don't know how to take that next step.
They're stuck in whatever rut they're in.
Like what would Mo's advice be?
I would say go within themselves.
You know, I lost my hand, but I gained a new perspective
of who I was as an individual.
Things that were dormant are things that I took for granted.
I started to learn.
And that came from just going within myself. And the things that people are interested in, that may be the key to unlocking
their gift. I'm just fascinated with people. I'm fascinated with performance.
How I apply that is through going within myself and discovering that now
towards the work that I do. But once again, I continue to harp on it.
I've always been on teams.
Everybody plays a different position.
Everybody plays a different role.
The same is true in life where you can't do everything by yourself.
The more that I allow people in on where I think the vision is for my life, where
I think things are coming towards me, the more that they start to open up doors and they
start to become thought partners and they start to be encouragers and they start to be accountability
partners and those are the things that continue to help move things forward. You put something out in
the air and you realize somebody's checking up on you. Did you do xyz that you said you were going
to do? Somebody's making an introduction for you but it comes with you having some type of direction, first in life, so that people understand how to help you along the way.
Dang it, Mo. I love you, brother. I could do this all day. There's so many insights and wisdom that
you have. One of the things that I'm working on this year is I'm building a series of live events,
of live summits.
And I need one of those to be keynoted by Moe Massaqua, if you're down.
Man, count me in as a friend, bro.
I see a lot of value in what you do and just who you are as a human.
If I can help at all, count me in.
Oh, then you're in.
You're me in. That would be, you're in.
You're totally in.
All right, I'm gonna end this with a hot five for Mo.
You ready?
Go ahead.
All right, hot five.
First one, give me your favorite teammate of all time.
Yep.
Oh, we can't do that.
We can't do that.
Listen, this, you have a very
popular podcast. This is something.
All right, we'll keep it that way. All right. Matthew
Saffron. Yeah. All right. So the the one DB you hate it going
against.
Oh, man, that is,
you know what's honest, it's the Georgia guys.
Cause the Georgia guys talk so much trash,
whether it's, you know, your Prince Millers,
your Asher Allens, your Brandon Boykins,
your Tim Jennings, your DeMario Minters,
rest in peace, Paul Oliver.
But I mean, those battles are, you love them so much
because you're actually spending real time
with these guys all the time.
It's not like, you know, high school or college.
Like you're living with these guys,
you've seen them all.
And it's just tension and trash talk.
But I love all those guys, but hate all of them as well.
All right.
Number three, your favorite UGA memory.
The obvious is beating Florida.
Unfortunately, we were 1 and 3 against Florida
when I was there.
And the ability to look over at the other side
and see a little pain in Gator Nation
was probably the most fun.
Down in Jacksonville. There it is. You know, down in Jacksonville.
There it is.
Your favorite NFL memory.
Wow.
Now I would say beating the Steelers
because we didn't have a lot of success,
but interestingly enough, it's just being there.
You know, you're there with,
you get a chance to just watch individuals
do their craft at the highest level.
While you're playing, you're also a spectator
because you're seeing just the most amazing thing
from names that you know,
names that you don't even know.
And you just have an appreciation for the craft
and the ability for, you know,
this discipline and whatever a person's put in
to actually do that on a stage
where 80,000 people are in stadium,
millions of people are watching home
and just they really don't perform.
And so that's kind of a little bit of both.
Okay. And then last one,
what's the one book that you think
everyone should read right now?
The one book. everyone should read right now. Ooh.
The one book, give me just in general or... Yeah, from you, yeah.
What's the book? From me?
You know, I love A Man's Search for Meaning.
That's an amazing book.
And then A Midnight's Library is an amazing book,
where it kind of gives you
different interpretations of what your life could be like, depending on the decisions that you make.
And then we, depending on which direction you want to go, we could go in many different directions. But I would say those two are really amazing, just from like a life's perspective.
Cool, cool. Mo, I appreciate you, man. More than you know, this was a true honor.
Would love to do it again,
because there's so many conversations that we can have
that I want to go deeper in.
So I'm gonna let the world know
this is Mick and Mo part one, part two is coming.
Count me in brother, I'm happy to make it happen.
You got it.
Where can people follow and find you?
So you can find me on LinkedIn.
It's my name.
You can find me on my website, thevessel.com, T-H-E-D-E-S-S-O-L.com.
And then all my social media are at ironmasiqua.
And so reach out.
Happy to connect with you.
There you go. Part two, we're going deep into the vessel, just so you know. happy to connect with you. There you go.
Part two, we're going deep into the vessel, just so you know.
All right, love it. I'll be here.
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