Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 060: Fitness v. Health

Episode Date: April 13, 2015

Who is healthier, the world champion triathlete with 6% body fat or the person who does moderate activity and has 15% body fat? The answer is, it depends... Here is a fact... Just because you are fit does not mean you are healthy. What does it take to be fit AND healthy? Sal, Adam & Justin answer this question in this episode!

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Welcome back to Mind Pump. If this show was a hormone, it'd be testosterone. For sure. For sure it'd be testosterone. Yeah, not cortisol.

Not cortisol. Not cortisol. Or estrogen. Not estrogen. We're not cortisol. Not cortisol. Or estrogen. Not estrogen. We're not Gino, Comastia. All right. So what we're going to talk about. Oh, yeah.

What are we talking about? We need to talk about the difference between exercising for fitness performance and exercising for health and longevity. Because I think people, this is an important subject, because people confuse the two of them. They think when they see someone who's fit and ripped and ripped that they are that's the healthiest person that person is gonna Have the best longevity or they look at athletes and they say all those guys are training so healthy and those guys and girls are

They're eating so healthy and they're doing everything There's a massive difference between the two Between you know training for performance and training for longevity. And the marketing for it is so completely skewed that everybody, I understand why everybody's confused. Why they think that a super shredded person is gonna do fair best as far as longevity is concerned. Which supplement would sell more?

The one that's like, take the supplement and feel healthy or The one that's like, take the supplement and feel healthy. Or the one that's like, take the supplement, get rid of it. No one's gonna buy the healthy one. Or get the supplement back. Yeah, well, it's an aesthetic thing. Well, I think what people need to realize is that when you train for athletic performance, balance is not in your vocabulary.

There is no balance. You're training for an extreme endeavor. And this is okay if that's what you want to do. Look, that's the way I train a lot of times. And if you're training for maximum performance, maximum muscle, maximum fat loss, you're not balanced. Your life is not very balanced.

It's geared around this ultimate goal of looking and feeling and lifting a certain way. Well, let's look at like a picture, for example, how many times they are going through the mechanics of their throw and their hips and their shoulder and how many times do they throw with their left arm and go through those same mechanics

and do they're so imbalanced, totally by the time they're done. Here's a little staff free. The average male, okay, life expectancy is 78 years old for the average American male. An NFL player, which we would all think is supreme, super shaped. Yeah, working out, eating perfect, doing all this stuff. Super ripped abs, it looks awesome, right?

Okay, mid 50s. Yeah, that's crazy. Mid 50s. Yeah, it's crazy. For the life in Spain. Yes, that's their life expectancy, bro. Bro, wow. In the midst of mid to late 50s. And so that just goes to show you that, you can look that awesome.

And I mean, you're talking, you're talking about 20 years more difference, bro. That's crazy. Well, people are, what people are realize about the mid about life expectancy is that's the middle. That's the average. That means there's people that die before that expectancy is that's the middle, that's the average. That means there's people that die before that. Before that, that's crazy, right?

Yeah. And you gotta, let's list the things that make, that are, I guess, define training for athletic performance. Let's list those things, right? Intensity. Repetitive movements. Repetitive movements. Eating perfectly to where you're eating so that you're lean, but

you're also fueling your body, which typically you're in a higher caloric amount. Higher caloric amount because you have to fuel your, you have to meet the man to perform. Constantly testing yourself, pushing the limits. Your lifestyle is probably not what people would consider normal. You're not going out and enjoying dinner all the time and doing your super disciplined. Working through your injuries. Yeah, you're facing a lot more stress like constantly. Even if it's fun, you know, or like part of a sport, it's still like exterior stress. It's a cool and mental stress you put on your body because it means crazy. It's definitely on the side of obsessive. You know, when you meet someone who's got a six pack

and the rip and whatever, what you're looking at is a borderline obsession. I mean that with all the respect in the world and by the way, this applies to myself as well and I completely acknowledge this. That it is not a balanced, you know, if you look at your entire lifestyle, it's not a balanced lifestyle. It's when I choose, it's one that's far better, I think, than the average American who does nothing. But there's definitely an obsession that's involved with that. When you look at longevity, it's totally different. Longevity is all about balance. It's all about moderation. It's about exercising. It's about being active. It's not about crazy intensity. It's about exercising. It's about being active. It's not about crazy

intensity. It's about eating less than you probably, you know, need. It's about eating a wide variety of things and not eating a specific way to fuel a particular goal. That's what longevity is about. So, and the reason I want to talk about this subject is it's an important one to decipher because you need to ask yourself what your ultimate goal is now You know that being said, you know, I mean the three of us here sitting at the table our goal is you know Our goals are definitely tend to be more performance based however I don't know about you guys, but I've noticed as I've gotten older and I'm still young, but as I've gotten older I'm starting now to pay more attention

to the longevity. Well, when I listen to us talk, even like this would never be something that I would talk about. You'd be like, don't be a pussy girl. Yeah, right? Like, I was so indoctrined to think that, you know, I had to be at my highest performance all the time. And every time I would work out or every time I was

approaching a game day, like I'm always like getting revved up as high as I can get. And that was my ultimate goal is to be like ready, game ready, you know, where I'm just performing like crazy. And now it's like, yeah, you just you just understand that there's so much more life like that whole period between growing up and then going through your 20s and then getting to like 30, I really feel like there's a change. Once you hit about 30 where it's like, okay, I realized that I went through that period, but now I'm starting to kind of see how this is affecting my body

and how like every little thing you start to notice more, like I can get out of bed so much better when I do this and you know, and like my energy levels are so much more efficient when I do this and you're like really honing in on, you know, your body and you're understanding your body better. But now this is such a crucial period, right?

Because now this is going to dictate what's going to happen further as most people get into a retirement where maybe all their focus is in their job and then their job ends. Like now it becomes retirement and then this is where people really start to diminish. So these are all patterns that you have to prepare for. Have you guys noticed your buddies that you're the same age as and as you're growing up now that you're getting into your mid-30s? Have you noticed the ones that don't take care of themselves, don't work out? The difference between you and them is so big now.

It was not big in your 20s. It's pretty stark. It's crazy. Well, one of the things I think that drew all of us together, too, was we all kind of have this similar vision of merging the two as close as we can. Wellness and fitness. It's like we all have this,

and it's what got me into the whole coaching side with the athletes after I went through the whole competing, and I was so floored by how holy shit, here we are. When you think about it, because most all your athletes, right, all your pros are on covers of magazines and books and all this shit like that, all this advertisement of health and wellness.

I mean, those are the people they use for the health wellness, but in reality, they're not. I mean, over 60% of your bodybuilding athletes have an eating disorder, that's crazy when you think about that. And how many of them are doing such extreme things to get to that look? It's like, holy shit.

But, and there is a point, there's a point where, I accept it because it is the sport, but there's a point too where there's a way you can be better about it. We could be a lot better about it. And I feel the same way goes for even sports performance and things like that.

Like we're just, we are far more educated now than what we were 20, 30 years ago in health and fitness that we are slowly, and I don't feel like too many companies are here yet, but I believe this is the future of bringing this together, the health and wellness with like performance. But it's, it's, it's got to really start with the younger generation starting to figure it out early. Which that's hard.

Well, you're starting to see it now. Let's look at the supplement industry, for example, because I think that's probably the largest industry within fitness and wellness, right? It would be supplements. That's those are the products that are sold the most. If you look at supplements that are geared towards, let's say bodybuilding or performance, they design the supplements to look like,

like they came out of a laboratory. Like if you look at them, they'll have a picture of a beaker on it. Or it's close to a steroid, it's possible that they have names that are like, steroids. Yeah, and they'll take like a, like an herb, like salt, plum, eto, and they'll give you the chemical term

for it to make it look more complicated and more synthetic. Versus the wellness industry, which does the opposite, the wellness industry will have like these old, tiny labels. Alsterably. Yeah, and they'll be like, you know, you know, trees on it. Yeah, John's old time, so mad and grouchy. Is it a grouching? Is it a great, the extremes? Yeah, it's so grouchy.

It's a son like, setting. They're both guilty. One is minimalist. One is minimalist and is close to is dirt as possible, as close to nature as possible. And the other one is, let's make it look as complicated and synthetic as possible because everybody knows that steroids

of synthetic and the gitches. It's a lot more of that performance. Right, but what you're seeing now, and you're gonna start seeing it, I predicted this already, this is, you're gonna see this in next five to 10 years. The merging and the marriage of two because now they're identifying that first of all, if your goal is performance fine, but if you take into account your health and wellness and you focus on performance, you're going to perform better.

Yes, and longer. And longer. So you're starting to see more organic, something more, like a leaping willow with like lightning bolts hitting it, like, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, crrr, right? That's kind of what we preach all the time. But you're starting to see some of that. You're starting to see now there was that whole ad campaign on social media that saved the bros like that protein one. Yeah, yeah, about organic. It was like an organic milk protein, whatever genius. And that's it's going there, man. Yeah, people are starting to really kind of come into, you know, come around to that idea. The organic market, you know, you go into Grocer's store. you try to find grocery stores that sold organic foods 10 years ago, and you'd have to either go to Whole Foods,

or like country, like your local organic shop. You wouldn't find it lucky, you'd stop hill, any of these other major grocery stores. Almost all of them now have an organic section. Oh, I know. You can never find one in Safeway. Now, I think there's some Safeways that have it way. Now, like, I think, you know, there's some safe ways to have it, but like, like, not bill was like the first one. I was

like, Oh, yeah, and they have organic produce. Excellent. You know, you just didn't see it. It's, it's all, it's all starting to grow. You're starting to see that. And the last though, the people that are going to adopt it, um, next is the bodybuilding fitness performance world. Um, they're going to adopt it next. And're gonna adopt it next and it's moving slow, but you're starting to see people say things like, protein powders, sweetened by stivia instead of sucralose or aspartane, right? You're starting to see some of that now a little bit

and people are starting to ask, like I want that, I'm looking for something that's healthy, not just something that's gonna help me build muscle and burn body fat. So I think this is a very's healthy, not just something that's gonna help me build muscle and burn body fat. So I think this is a very, very, very good. This is a great thing. But I mean, what would you guys, if you guys were to put together a routine

that was both like a workout program that was both designed for performance and longevity and wellness for the average person, we're not talking about now an extra thing. Individual, what components do you think should be in there? Well, you would just need to really make sure that you planned out your recovery and rest periods, like accordingly to if you're going on these,

you know, like higher intensity days, you're still gonna move, but you're gonna keep it at a lower intensity the following day. And like, you know, you gotta pay attention to your actual recovery. So performance is, and I think that's something that should have been established anyway,

which especially at the younger level, because the thing is, like you mentioned before, about, well, remember when we were 20 years old, or how quickly we recovered, well, that's true. But where were we teaching them, and what were we establishing with these young athletes was that they're invincible. And that was always pounded into my head

that I was invincible. And so I really feel like if we can establish these types of patterns with athletes to focus on their weak points, to focus on building up synergistic muscles and get everything cooperating together and making your body efficient as a whole. Everything's performing if you're doing too much patterns

within your sport, you need to compensate for that. You need to account for that. So the rest of your body, it doesn't go completely, doesn't diminish completely later on in life. Well, matter of fact, do you guys ever have clients who are now, let's say they're 30s or 40s, who used to be high level college athletes, and then they stopped working out?

They're always the hardest people for me to train. Yeah. Because they had their athlete mentality. They have the warp pounded in their head right? They have the warped like sense of intensity. So like, they haven't worked out for 15 years. And they're dangerous because they've been fit before. So they, it's hard, it's hard to tell them like,

and they eat like shit. Yeah. They got away with like eating like shit when they were, you know, doing their college stuff and have four hours a day. Yeah, so I, I would, so a couple of things and I've done this for myself. I'm not that way right now,

because I'm training men's physique mentality, which I'll be the first one to admit that it's not the healthiest way for me to train, when listening to my body. There's many times where I should be doing a day of straight stretching and flexibility, and I'm in their pounding way, at a muscle group that I'm trying to develop more.

So when I am doing really good, one of the things that's always done really well for me, one is I like to have at least one day that I spend of just pure flexibility, dynamic flexibility and foam rolling and core work, and just like a whole one day of the week is just dedicated to that. And that's when I would do my full body like Sal does

where I'm just kind of working on a lot of flexibility movements. Taking the muscle through full range of motion, spending some good time following, and especially addressing those imbalances. For sure, obviously if I was designing a program for someone, the most important and be drilling to somebody is just bottom line balance, training your body balance and recognizing your strengths already, and those don't need to be addressed.

They don't need to be addressed. You already have massive arms at them. There's no reason for you to keep hitting them every single week. Why don't you go work on some areas that are causing imbalances on your body and start to try and balance yourself out more? That's gonna blow it so much more well for your body than you.

It's gonna build everything else up as well. You're strengths. Yes. I mean, your strengths are getting stronger. It's all about that. Well, I would say if you're designing, I would say you would want a few things. There's probably three components you would want in a longevity and fitness based program. Well, cardio, we can get to cardio.

Right. Yeah, so number one, you'd want resistance training. Strength is the foundation for all physical pursuits. Let me explain, because I actually posted this on my page and some guy tried to debate with me. Without strength, then you don't have stability. You don't have mobility. You lose balance.

You actually lose flexibility also. You actually lose stamina as well. So strength is like the foundation. You actually lose flexibility also. You actually lose stamina as well. So strength is like the foundation you have to have strength. Now the good news is if you're it gets you out of your chair. It's what allows you to, especially as you get older, it's what allows you to get off the floor. It's what allows you to reach up above your head. So the strength component is important. Number two, you should have a functional flexibility component incorporate some form of stretching into your routine. And lastly, you want some kind of cardiovascular training.

Now, let me get dive into those three. First of all, the strength training aspect of it, if you're just looking for overall fitness and longevity, twice a week, two full body workouts a week is plenty. Two, well put together, full body workouts, where you do full body movements, big barbell movements, you're not focusing on heavy singles or anything like that, you're just doing

nice full range of motion exercises, would be plenty for that longevity aspect of an confidence. Agreed. The flexibility aspect every day. Every single day you should do 30 minutes of flexibility. Cardiovascular every single day. Now I'm not talking about running or hardcore cardio, but I mean go for walks and hikes and those kinds on a daily basis. If you did two days a week of strength training and daily flexibility

and cardiovascular, not trying to get tons of endurance cardiovascular, but just activity type cardiovascular activity, you'll have a very good longevity based, healthy based routine where you'll feel good for the rest of your life. I guess, you know what, you did very well right there, which I'm glad you did, is you really separated it to where I was trying to give you an idea of how I'd be merging in a case.

Right, exactly. Yeah, how would I incorporate trying to be aesthetic and luckily I have a look and then also trying to be as healthy as I possibly can, but if you are going 100% of the health, cause let's be honest, if you're only lifting two days a week, because it's not your number one focus, you're definitely not gonna be the biggest guy in the gym.

You're not gonna be the buffest dude in the gym. Your body could use more stimulus than that if you wanna see maximum gains for growth and stuff, but as far as overall health, I mean, 100%, and then like you said, stretching every single day is almost a no brainer. And you can't ever do work on flexibility too much. So 30 minutes would be, yeah, at least that. It's interesting.

When you look at flexibility, and of course, there's limits to all of this, but with flexibility, it's one of those things where you can actually apply the adage the more the better. And I don't mean going nuts with it, but if you stretch every day, you're gonna get better results

than if you stretch three days a week. With resistance training, that's not always the case. You know, if you lift weights every single day, you're not necessarily gonna get better results in a few lift weights four days a week. So with resistance training, you don't necessarily have to do it all the time. If your goal is overall health and balance.

Well, there's something that's, let's say, let's talk, explain why that is. There's something that's happening when you're stretching immediately that's corrective to your body while you're stretching. Right. When you are doing damp, basically when you're lifting weights, we're actually doing, you're damaging. You're damaging. You're damaging.

It's the after fact that comes and plays a huge, just as a huge role as the damage did, where it hasn't worked that way of stretching. Stretching, the primary focus is during your stretch. You're stretching, once you hit that 30 second mark and it releases, your corrective work is being done, you're getting more flexible at that moment. And already results are happening from that stretch, right? And you continue on that,

you're gonna continue to see those results training It was not inflaming like like training exactly Resistance, you know, I tell you what right now I would say probably between the three of us. That's probably the one thing we neglect the most stretching is the flexibility Absolutely. I know I got in a lot better over the years, but yeah, I would love I've had to get better That's exactly that's been I would love and hopefully in the future You know we can afford we have the time to do this But I would love for us to do like a daily, you know 30 to you know 45 minute yoga class every day

I like it start the day off. Oh even better than that. I've been talking and I love like where I am as far as like this gym is concerned A lot of the guys, they find these techniques, and I'm just like, oh, sweet, what's that? So a lot of guys have started doing stick yoga. And so that's something that was created, this guy in Santa Cruz actually, and he's starting to run these classes with it, but that's something that I'm pursuing,

because it's just another one of those things that makes perfect sense to me, right? And it's just another way that we can kind of add value to it's something different. But then again, it's not like you understand the concepts of it right away. And like how important it is to just be able to provide that type of mobility and movement, you know, with your body. So you just you understand your body better in relation to space. Right. So. Right. Yeah, and if we talk about diet, you know, when you're eating for longevity, you're eating in moderation or slightly, or lower, almost, yeah, you're almost at deficit.

You can't always be at a deficit, but you're always low. You're always eating a little because that increases longevity. That's a fact. They do that with animal studies, with human studies. I don't care how healthy you eat. If you overeat, it's not as ideal as if you don't overeat. You know what's crazy to think is that you should feel more often than not hungry.

Yeah, then you should feel stuffed or full. Hungry is, stuffed and full is not a natural feeling to have all the time. Humans did not evolve. We were always hungry. Yeah, people didn't walk around all the time, cavemen, oh, it's fucking full. That happened rarely.

I'm so sleepy. It's crazy to think that, though. I bet there's a lot of people that couldn't even tell you the last time they felt hungry. They might have a craving. Yeah, it's not the same thing. Yeah, craving, that's right. When was the last time you were like,

oh my god, I'm hungry and then you actually thought, well, Doritos are always right there. Yes. There is always a lot of station. They're at, you know, work. I always send everybody. I've been snacked on. No, it's so true. It's so true. I, you know, it's crazy. I don't even let, you know, I don't let my clients use the word snack. Dude, people always ask me like, okay, you know, I get a lot of snacks. I get a somebody as it snack as it made up work. Yeah. What do you mean snacks, but it's a small meal. There's either complete or incomplete meals.

We call snacks incomplete meals. Yeah. Every time you have one, that's excellent. That's exactly how I explain it to a client. No such thing as snacks. Snacks is a made up fucking word. It's not real.

You know, it's funny. That's probably the best advice you can give anyone if they're trying to stay lean or get lean. Don't buy things that you snack on. Yeah. Just don't have them. If you either act, you either act, don't be in that mindset. Every time you eat something, and then I tell you what,

that's a very simple thing. It is that helps people out a lot of times when I tell them that it's listen, every time you put something in your mouth, it is a meal. And then you just have to ask yourself, how often do you eat incomplete meals? Are you eating incomplete meals, 70% of the time, 50% of the time, because literally incomplete meals

should be never, if all possible to be avoided. And if you do do incomplete meals, 70% of the time, 50% of the time, because literally incomplete meals should be never, if all possible to be avoided, and if you do do incomplete meals, it should be very rarely, but it normally is the complete opposite. That's the fact, that's the thing. Most people eat incomplete meals, 70% to 80% of the time, and then only 20% of that,

and then they should sit down and eat an actual balanced meal. You know what's the component we just totally missed over to? Without sounding hoki, because right away it's gonna sound hokey when I say this There's definitely a spiritual component to longevity There's that angel boy there's that angel no, I mean, you know It could be whatever it is for you. You could either go to church. Listen. I don't care You know if you're religious or not, but people who have a spiritual component to their life, whether it be organized or not, they live longer. Well, they've

just basically, well, they've done studies on just just period positive thinking. Yeah. So positive thinking, positive mentality. So maybe you meditate, you know, on a daily basis, or you do, you know, intentional thinking. Really.. I'm gonna never meditate. Yeah, it's really tough to be... Not only be quiet, but in a place where it's like really quiet. Or even like, if you're like, no phone vibrating, no noise. It's like, whoa. It's hard, it gets stressful until you keep doing it. And I heard that it's just like anything else.

It takes repetition. Yeah, better at it. So I heard that it's just like anything else. It takes repetition. Yeah, better at it. So it becomes more of a practice. I've only meditated intentionally, I don't know, five times. I used to own this studio with what we do classes. And I had this guy who taught meditation. And each time I took the class, like you were saying, I got better and better at it.

Well, the fifth one, the class was an hour and a half long. And the instructor would walk you through the meditation. So you're sitting there and your meditation pose and he's walking through and he's telling you what to do and focus on your breath and this and that. And then he's bringing us up and telling us to open our eyes. And I'm like, oh, this is weird. You know, I've only been sitting here for 10 minutes.

Class was over. It was an hour and a half. We had gone through an hour and a half and it felt like 10 minutes. It was a stranger thing in the world. He's got the zone, huh? And that was a word the whole time was an hour and a half. We had gone through an hour and a half and it felt like 10 minutes. It was the strangest thing in the world. And that was a word of the whole time. I didn't fall asleep. It was like I got abducted by aliens. I got this strange like last time hypnotized. And he was making you like do monkey noises. I couldn't see him. I couldn't find my pants. I was you know that I was so cautious. I feel the closest I feel to meditating, other than, so I grow very religious home my own time. I meditate not masturbate.

I pray. Yeah. So I'm trying that on the TV. I meditate every day, every time. Many times I've prayed and definitely probably feel the most at ease or the closest thing to meditation when I would be praying for sure. The second probably the closest I've ever felt

to being in peer meditations, actually when I work out, that is the most peaceful, the closest I've ever felt to like being in peer meditations, actually when I work out, that is the most peaceful, the most peace I ever feel. Isn't that crazy? It doesn't mean matter what's blown in my ears as far as. It's like an endorphin effect, I mean like, that's a great point because that's for me. That's the same thing. Yeah. When I especially like, you know, I, and you talked about lapsing at time, I could actually just be in the gym. Yeah. An hour go by and then I didn't even realize I've already been there for an hour

because I'm so into the zone of what I'm doing and not thinking about work or who I gotta return calls. That's actually truly the only time I turn my phone off. It's on purely on music and working out. And I'm like, I just move in. And what's re-enacted my girl to this day always says this. She trips out, she's like, it's nuts. And what's, what ring so much? Mine is true. My girl to this day always says this, she trips out, like she's like,

it's nuts how like she says, I'll watch this girl and I watch that girl and it's like, you don't ever see any of that stuff. It's so funny, you don't notice that. I watch you and you don't, you look right. It's like you look right through people. And it is, it's like, and I don't mean to, I don't have, and I feel bad sometimes

because I know some people see me in there, they know me or they've heard me on Mind Pump or whatever and I can tell, you know, like in, and I think, I, I, I, so if you're listening to this and you see me, I totally like when people say hi to me and I'm a very friendly person, I am not a dick at all. I, but I am in a zone when I'm working out, when I'm working out, I'm in my zone, I am like in meditation for me. So, but I like, you know, I like when people say hi, but I will, I'll, I'll look right

through you and it's not because I, I don't, you know, I don't think you're a nice person or I don't want to say hi to you, it's just that I'm in my zone, you know, I like when people say hi, but I will, I'll look right through you. And it's not because I don't, you know, I don't think you're a nice person, or I don't want to say hi to you, it's just that I'm in my zone, you know? Yeah, that's a fantastic point. Absolutely, that's an important aspect of longevity is that whole spiritual side of it. I think when you see people who've lived a long time,

healthy, healthy life, they have that component. And again, that's probably something we should focus on more ourselves. Right, and community. That's a great one. That's a very good one. That tight social network. Social network is, I mean,

don't be an asshole basically. Yeah, assholes don't live as long. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of artificial, you know, the social network thing. So get in front of real people. Oh, I don't mean eye contact.

Let's start with that. He means social network just by, Oh, I don't make eye contact. Let's start with that. He meets social network just by, yeah, I don't mean like just Facebook. He does it. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just glad. That's a good point though, because a lot of people,

that's, there is. Get away from your phone. And it's your phone. Yeah, other humans, other human beings. Yeah, interact that. Stop being weird and robotic. You know, it's, you know, it's a big, a big factor to his touch?

This is huge. Touch me. I am. You can't feel it. It's a, it's a, that's it. No, it is. Listen, how many times do you have, how many people do you hug every day?

Think about that. Dude, remember when like in eighth grade? You're a hugger? Yeah, I had to come up here with it. Did you guys like in eighth grade, did you have like this thing where you'd see a girl and like every time you see a girl you go hug them? Oh, that was what you know it. It was like the eighth grade weird awkward thing Everybody's ass. Oh, I'm not lucky. That was before sex and I know right that that was the closest thing you get to is a hug

Like the last time it was like that. Yeah, you're like Hey, I need to get my hug You little seven eighths a boy nothing nothing cool. It builds on boobs press to get to see that And the poor girl their girls are thinking he's such a nice guy. I know right. Oh, he's such nice hugs No, and guys young guys hug girls cuz they're fucking well. We don't create hugs r-sex Well, and what we don't realize is we fuck ourselves for later because then you're then your wives and your girlfriends later on in life I'm like never hug me you never kiss me when you walk in the door Because that's all we used to do that shit when we were

younger all the time. We got all the hugs out. Paying all that attention. Sorry. Now you have to keep that pace up, and I think something's wrong. Take it that way. Those like little furry sweaters.

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