Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 084: These People DON'T Listen to MindPump

Episode Date: May 22, 2015

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. MindPump, as you know, is chock-full of valuable training advice, yet some people, who are hungry for this kind of help, don't take the time to listen to the show. What gives? In this episode Sal, Adam and Justin provide actionable advice on how to fit in cardio, even if you have a busy schedule and how to use the 4 stages of learning to catapult your (or your client's) success.

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Mind Pump Radio, with Salda Stefano. Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrew B1 and Oli You guys don't know this but I do you guys don't know this Doug on the weekends do you guys know what nobody does on the weekends for fun watch his wwf

No he's like a comedy guy right he does he does improv no you don't I I saw a little bits of clips of that. Like, do you sound as an improv? Comedy sports. He's on a fucking team, dude. That's awesome. There's teams in comedy. Putting yourself out there.

That's why he can turn on the radio. Wait a second, I had a whole topic I wanna talk about. Now I'm totally intrigued by this right now. Okay, so when I worked downtown, I actually was right across the street from the comedy club, so I knew the owner really well, and I used to, I literally went to the comedy club like three times a week to the point where I was like, I love the improv. Yeah, I love that place.

And I was almost sick of it because I did it for like two years, like three times a week it was ridiculous, but I absolutely loved it, right? So I've never, as much as I've been around it, I've never heard of team comedy. No, it's called comedy sports comedy sports Yeah, there's like over 20 of them around the world. So is there like tryouts? Oh, yeah, absolutely No, he's a badass Adam. He's not this isn't just like in someone's garage like he had to make the team. Okay Well, I'm intrigued here. So okay, there's there's tryouts So what is what is this whole process of getting it part of the team? Like what okay, so let's pretend the four of us I want to be a part of team Doug and comedy and I mean I'm a lot

funnier than sound Justin. So I know I part with a hard time making a team but think of the challenge. I got us there dude. You're the guy funny looking funny. He's so funny. He's so funny. One look will crack you. That's right, funny, funny look at his right. So what you wanna have so, so that you can say, yes, whatever. Okay, is it like sports too? Did you have to train for a long time?

Did you do all this team? Well, it's not physical per se. Well, I know, but did comedy train, like you had done. Yeah, I did. There's a, it's like, whose line is it anyway? Yeah, a lot like that. Yeah, so what happened is I went through a series of workshops and then I joined what they called

the Recalig, which is our farm team. And I was there for probably three years before they called me up to the regular show. The big, the majors. Yeah, the majors. Wow, that's, that's how he's batting. He was actually went to school to get fun. Yeah, I've been trained, man. I'm a professional. Wow, that's that's how he's batten. Clueless. He went to school to get. No, yeah, I've been trained, man. I'm a professional.

Wow. Imagine if we hardest my skills. I'm just out. I'm there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, here's a thing. I believe all of you guys could do well at it. Oh, really? You absolutely. Even even even Sal. Improv even even nerdy Sal. Oh, you nerdy Sal.

You're so much shooting from the hip, I invented that. You know, honestly, before I was born, they had a different name for you. You shoot from the hip. I thought it was a different kind of shot. She always sexual into it. We're trying to talk serious here. And you have to bring a sexual loss. That's what I mean when I say shooting from the hip.

I didn't say shooting from the tip. That's something I'm gonna talk about. Yeah, I mean, honestly, bringing your nerdy side is a real benefit. For example, Justin and his star wars knowledge would go far. Yes. Oh, I see. That's right. So here's why I called a shot first.

Here's why it's called a sport. Just kidding. Just what it is. Conded. Two teams that compete for the laughs at the audience and then the audience votes on which one they like better. So, I want I wanna go watch what a Doug shows. I know, come on, dude. I can't believe we do that, dude.

Which one of you motherfuckers taps this freaking coffee table? That was me at that time. Why is it irritating you so good? Because it vibrates and I can hear it too, both of it. And I know Doug gets upset, dude. Oh, yeah. And it makes me for all the shenanigans. He should, this way it doesn't plug my microphone

until last. I get to last and then put my microphone on a stretch, my legs might fall you lower than everybody else. Okay. You're so difficult to figure out Adam. Nine out of 10 times vibrations are awesome. This time you don't like it.

No dude. Well right now you're hearing a buzz and it's driving me crazy, it's my microphone. Okay, so you better shut it down. You're gonna have to do sign language rest away. Yeah, sign language is from now on out. The rest of the questions I'll ask you and sign us well Well, well what we did what Adam the really the the the the the thing we wanted to talk about and you're such a

Mysterious mother fuck this guy so mysterious the text he sends us Hey guys, I have a crazy ass rant and you want to hear it? Yes, nothing silence Doesn't say anything. I know he does that he drops like a bomb and then like it like all this anticipation and then he just You know what I know what I'm not gonna do like this is so crazy. Guess what and we'll be like what nothing And I'll be like Adam what I even the dots like he's writing it. Nothing. It's just so Adam would master I'm putting you on the spot right now. I want you to like what what made you so angry what grinds your gears Yeah, why what are you gonna rant about? Well, here, this has happened at least 10 times,

since we've had mind pump going. And this is something that, and I know you guys can relate to this, between the three of us, shit, personally, myself, I have well over 10,000 hours of training. I want to break down how many hours of training I have between clients, so that's a lot of hours of training, minimum that. And I know you guys are right there with me if not more.

So, you know, between the three of us, we've got 30,000 hours of training clients, which, what equates to that is a lot of people, that, a lot of lives that we've touched and helped out. And I like to try and help everybody as much as I can, and continue helping people for as long as I can, It equates to that is a lot of people, a lot of lives that we've touched and helped out. And I like to try and help everybody as much as I can and continue helping people for as long as I can, hence what we're doing right now. We all came together for that same, similar reason, psychedude.

If we could get on like a radio show where we can broadcast this, we could answer so many of these same fucking questions that we could ask all the time. And what drives me crazy, and it really bothers me when it's people who have known me for a really long time. People that have been a part of my journey for a long time, I've been trained so I was 20 years old, and some people I've still talked to and clients, I still help. And then they asked me these questions,

and the first thing that comes to mind right away was like, these motherfuckers don't even listen to my talk. You were asking me these questions. I created this radio show for you. And you don't listen to it. And it drives me nuts. And it's so hard.

Now that we have this, so it used to bother me already, because it's like, dude, how many times have I explained this to you? I've explained this to you. I've explained this to you. I'll explain it for the 10th time. It's okay. It's what I do. I love what I do. But now that this is created,

and it's like, we give it away for free. You know, you can listen to this shit for free That's pretty cool. I mean you get a wealth of knowledge between and you know It's pretty undervalued. Let's be honest like when it when people get free stuff a lot of times They don't really realize until they got us our pain for it like what it really is Exactly. The content wise To me that's to me that's the insult That's the part that just, it drives me crazy. If you had any idea how much time that we put into all of this stuff to make it better

for everybody else, it was even like that one person. I remember when we first started to do the very first time when we actually launched the e-books out and we sold them, right? And somebody was like offended that we were selling them. It's like, motherfucker, you think all this stuff is free? And like we have all the time in the world to sit and bullshit on the radio.

It's like, we have to at least make our, it makes our money so we can find what the fuck we're doing. You'll say like, pace and bills. We're not trying to rip anybody off right here. In fact, we're trying to give as much great information help as many people as we possibly can. And you know, when people do that to me,

it's so disrespectful. And I get so irritated. And I feel like I get more now that we have this because it's like, there's such, there's so much good information on here. If it just when, and it was a client that was asking, and I can do this because I'm pretty sure even after I told her, sent the freaking, the links over to listen to it. Still is probably not the, it's so funny, because we just, we just, we just, we just say, yeah. So we just had a Q&A, the last Q&A, we just answered a question about a young boy who was trying to put weight on.

Oh yeah. She has a young 18 year old boy who's trying to gain weight. And the message I got was, could you give my son a diet for, you know, gaining weight. Now mind you, I have, that's like nails in a chalkboard for me anyway. Right? Give me a diet. Right?

No. Yes. And you know what? And just that question alone. I'll guide you. That's giving me that question alone just tells me right away that you haven't been listening to Mind Pump or he hasn't been listening to Mind Pump.

And then when I proceeded to say, to get him to get on to mind pump, the response was, oh, you obviously haven't hung out with any teenage boys before. They need instant gratification, instant gratification. I'm like, what the fuck do you think podcasting is? It couldn't get any more instant than that. Like he literally has to push a button on his iPhone. It automatically downloads the phone.

All that time, you get a sit and listen. Yeah, but obviously she hasn't listened to the show because this is like the ideal show for a teenage version of the movie. Right, I know, exactly. Like, that's, come on. Yeah, come on, that's it. Well, that's why the entertainment side

of what we're doing as well is supposed to entice, you know, people to sit and listen to it and then they get like valuable information. It's like, we've thought of all of that. So just listen to it. So that was the next thing that she follows up with. Well, all you, you know, that's not really his thing, just to sit and listen to it,

but he barely pays attention to me. He's not gonna sit for a half hour hour of his attention to listen to, you know, the science of it. So what does she want you to do? Like make an origami like answer and like mail it? I mean, what are you supposed to do? Well, like every other client wants, whether they want you to sit down, spend 40,

what they don't know is it takes at least 45 minutes so now, for me to write up or draw something up for them like that, and then explain to them how, hey, this is, I mean. But she just told you he doesn't pay attention and he doesn't listen to her. Yeah. Yeah, he wants you to write up a freaking,

you know, a guide. That will sit there, collect us, and you'll never use. Read this packet of information, son. Yeah. This is the is the disrespectful part because then it's it's all there with the really doing is you're like I don't want to deal with this. I don't have the answers. Let me delegate it to somebody who I know and I know him. I know he knows the answers. So let me just dish it off on him and we just find that's why I don't mind the first initial question. And then when I respond go here and then you still give me push back, I'm like,

You know that makes you want to do. It makes me want to Google real quick. How to gain 10 pounds and the first thing that pops up Cutting paste and then freaking send it over here. No, you know exactly what she's looking for anyway You know what you know it gets I'm it really irritates me is when you've been saying something to somebody for I don't know years because we've all trained clients for a long time and you've got those clients who've been with you for a long time and you'll say something over and over and over and over and over and then they'll finally do it and they'll come back and be like credit somebody else or something. No no no come back and be like wow that did work and it's like you motherfucker I've been telling you for like five years. Oh, good. I know. Hey, you know what's how?

I stopped running 50 miles a week and you ride. I built more muscle like that on the leaner. You know what, it's like, I wasn't telling you magic. Like that's just how it works. That's almost as annoying as telling a client that like when you're trying to help them with nutrition. And I don't know, I know I eat good already.

I eat clean, I know what I'm doing. Yeah, that's why you don't. That's why your 30 pounds overweight. Yeah, right. No, no, no, I know I eat good already. I eat clean, I know what I'm doing. Yeah, that's why you don't. That's why your 30 pounds overweight. Yeah, right. No, no, no, I know what I'm doing. I mean, good. I had a client one time, one of my good salads, right? Is that what we're talking about?

Yeah, I had a client, really good friend of mine. And he used to always be like, I don't know, I don't know why I can't lose weight. I eat really healthy and this and that. And so I'd say, okay, well, what did you eat? You know, give me an idea of what you had for breakfast this morning like what did you wait and he goes well? He goes I had some eggs. I had a little bit of milk. He goes a little bit of flour And he's going through all these ingredients and like he's a pancakes and I'm like

This doesn't like pancakes. I'm like. I'm like. Did you eat cake? He's like yeah, I had some chocolate cake I'm like why you gotta break it down? Yeah, right That is awesome. I've never had somebody do that. Oh my god. I would die laughing or the flip side is he'll be like so you know I don't know why I can't lose weight. He goes yesterday Let me tell you what a yesterday and of course he's gonna pick out the frickin healthy shit I had a salad with a little bit of carrots and some pain tomato That's all I had all day look like oh, so you eat like that every day

Well shit, you're defining the laws of physics. We gotta figure this out. We'll get some scientists. That's such a good one right there. That is so common. This is also why, okay, so now when somebody, and I actually had a guy do this recently, which is funny that we're talking about this,

and I've told you guys this before, when somebody asked me something like that, I immediately like help for nutrition or something. I immediately put it back on them and say, okay, I'll totally help you out, but what you need to do for me is for the next seven days, you need to document every single thing you eat. And first of all, very few people will even do that.

It's too much work for me. Yeah, it's too much work. And they want you to write this whole detail plan and help them all out, which is far more detail than just you don't want to peel. Yeah, so that's the first and foremost is just doing that. But then you have to remind them that listen, when I don't want you to do, I don't want you to pick out your best day and then duplicate that for me.

Because I've had that before and like, damn, this person needs really clean. Yeah. Yeah. How is this possible that happened? Yeah. Well, I, well, I didn't get a chance to write down Friday and Sunday because I was doing this, I was doing that. I kind of ate this guy, but I made I was doing this, I was doing that. I kinda ate this guy, but I made good choices. Oh, oh, I forgot about my Ben and Jerry's.

I know what's funny, when you first become a trainer, and this is, I guarantee you the trainer's listening to this, can totally, this makes sense to them. When you first become a trainer, for a split second, you're almost convinced. You're almost like, God, some people, it's so weird, like, they must have their metabolism must be so slow. It must be a thyroid second, you're almost convinced. You're almost like, God, some people, it's so weird. They must have their metabolism must be so slow. It must be a thyroid thing.

It's just this doesn't do it. And then as you continue doing this, you start to realize they're bullshitting me or they're so ignorant and unaware of what's going in their mouth. That's it. They've never tracked anything ever. And now that you're so experienced,

when people say stuff to you, you look at them like, you can't fool me. Yep. More often than not It is that they they don't know that they don't know which that's always been the biggest challenge as a trainer is making somebody aware Consisting competence exactly because nutrition it seems so universal and common knowledge, but people really Don't understand it on a deep level. Well, and so this is general ties into a part of the tip that I was talking about today at OTF and when I was talking to the class, I'm telling these guys, like I always give them like this little random tip afterwards, right? And you know, a lot of people, they

quit like so because they come in this workout and it's super intense. It's one hour. They see their personal trainer for hour. And their eyes like, you know, like they come in this workout and it's super intense, it's one hour, they see their personal trainer for hour. And their eyes, like, you know, like, they're, and in some of them are doing five, seven days a week, so they think they're this highly active fit person because, you know, all there, none of their friends workout seven days a week. And no one trains as hard as they're training. And in their eyes, they think that this is someone who's really active, but in reality, what people don't realize is you can still be considered. And more people, more people are not are still considered sedentary even when you're putting in hours work of working

out intensely a day. That's, I mean sedentary. That means you are still a sedentary movement. Yeah, the amount of movement does not give you enough to, you know, equate to weight loss. Well, here's a question that you can ask people just kind of, you know, get into their heads. You can ask them, just kind of, you know, get into their heads, you can ask them, look, who is more active? The construction worker who's doing construction

eight hours a day, five years a week, but doesn't work out, or the guy that sits at his desk in front of a computer for work, but he works out for an hour every day. Yeah. Who's more active? Construction blows that away, for sure.

Yeah, blows it away. And so one guy works out and goes to the gym, the other guy doesn't go to the gym at all, but they're more active construction. Yeah, it's a construction where it blows that away. Yeah, for sure. Blows it away. And so one guy works out and goes to the gym. The other guy doesn't go to the gym at all, but they're more active. Yeah. And when it comes to a fat burning and calories and so that's more important, man, it really is. I mean, there's all these added benefits to lifting weights when you talk about building muscle and strength and things like that.

But if you just, from a straight, cal, and nutritional value ratio to movement to, uh, losing the guy and that's the construction worker wins every time with that. I, you know, I had a huge paradigm shift not too long ago when, uh, I took photos for the original of a map, Santa Bolic program. And I got really, really, really lean. I got the leanest that ever been. I don't know. I probably got down to, I don't know, 4% or so. You saw the pictures. You know. And it was a paradigm shift because I realized

how little I actually needed to eat. I couldn't believe how little I needed to eat and how much I was eating before thinking that I need to eat this much or I'll lose muscle or all these different things are gonna happen. And I realized, look, people just eat too much. Yeah, especially like being a guy and worrying about that, like how little protein you need.

Yeah, you just don't need it. You just don't need it. You just don't need to eat that much, especially if you're the average American, who let's face it. Most of us are said, look, us in this room who are fitness fanatics were relatively sedentary, even if you add up all our workouts.

Oh yeah, definitely not. No, for sure. And that's the average person. It's a, it's, it's, it's, it was mind blowing for me at the moment. I remember doing that and someone had asked me one of my buddies and he's like, holy shit man, he's like, how, how did you get so shredded?

And I remember saying, I'm like, I just don't eat that much. And it's like for the, like the first time in my life, it just really made sense. Like I don't need as much as I really thought I did I just don't need that much food. Well, you know, I think one of the most common things I get asked on my Instagram Especially when I'm getting ready for a show and the the most surprises at the most like People will

Message me and be like you know you always post you don't do cardio How do you get that lean and you don't do any cardio? And then, or someone will see me and they'll see me walking on a treadmill, and they'll be like, hey, I thought you said you don't do any cardio. And I'm like, well, yeah, I don't do cardio. This is me walking on a treadmill, just moving, you know? And so, what they don't get is what I start to do

is that it's happening right now. So I'm getting, you know, I'm six weeks out from a show or a little less than about five and a half out from a show. And I just know my daily routine Like you said, we are I I mostly I can't just speak for you guys, but I know for sure I am still sedentary very centering majority of what I do is you know sitting on a desk or in a chair or driving You know, I'm not super active all day long. So all I really do honestly is I just ramp up my activity as I get closer And I just I do it very simply.

So I'll set myself small goals. Like, okay, I'm going to add 30 minutes of moving that I wouldn't outside of my normal activity. I do everything in the normal, just like I do every single day, but now I'm gonna spend 30 more minutes, whether I do that by walking the dogs two extra times, or I do that by getting on my treadmill,

walking my email and multitasking, and then I just slowly ramp that up. It starts at 30 minutes, then I start adding an hour of that activity a day, and then go an hour and a half, and I break it up in little increments too. A lot of people don't realize you can do that. So sometimes I don't have the time to put 90 minutes straight of walking on a treadmill

because I'm busy, so I put 20 minutes in, and then I come back two, three hours later and put another 20 minutes in, and then I go handle some work and business up, and then I put 15 minutes in, and then come back two, three hours later and put another 20 minutes in and then I go Handle some work and business something that I put 15 minutes in and then I actually have a little bit extra time So I put 30 minutes in and I just at the by the end of the day I've accumulated 90 minutes of this activity that I normally would not have put in and that shit all adds up. It's crazy And you know, it's funny even studies will even show that splitting up activity is actually more effective

For fat burning than doing it all at once. Also, so 90 minutes straight is less effective than doing three 30 minute sessions. Absolutely. And I'll tell people walk your dog in the morning at night, just take a walk in the morning. That's what I start doing actually. This is funny because my dogs started to get pre-learned. You know, to do my whole process. That's looked like their owners. I seriously was trying to find a picture. I was gonna do like a before and after of him because he's definitely changed with me

because I've been taking him on runs. I've been taking him on walks, hikes, you know, all that kind of stuff. Just for that added extra activity. And on top of that, like, you know, started doing more housework. I'm doing stuff outside. I'm chopping wood. I'm, you know, started doing more housework. I'm doing stuff outside. I'm chopping wood. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm cleaning a lot. So it's, it's beneficial, you know, my wife, you know, got the benefit of that because it's, it's really like I didn't

want to sit down on the couch and turn into that plopping, you know, position where I'm watching TV or something with my boys. And as a result, too, I got my son back out, you know, outside hanging out, exploring with me and stuff, you know, it's just, you just gotta get out and be active. You know, this is one of the factors in the trigger sessions that I think is so effective. Aside from the stimulating muscle growth and that is that you're moving for eight to 10 minutes,

three times a day. Yeah. Because the, one of the, one of the, they prioritize it. Yeah, you're just, you're doing trigger sessions, which end up being like an extra 25 minutes or so of activity during the day. And it split up usually two or three sessions.

And one of the number one effects people will say is they just get leaner from doing that. And it's not a ton of calories, but it does make a difference, especially if you do it on daily basis. Sure, I mean, 25 extra minutes, especially if like, band work, trigger session type work,

I mean, you could talk about 200 and something calories you're burning, which is half of somebody's standard meal, especially if you're eating clean and balanced, so that's a difference for sure, not to mention all the extra benefits of the stimulation of the muscle. I've also noticed, because I've had people say to me,

like, oh, it's so much harder to find time to be active two or three times a day. And they think in their mind, it's easier to block off 90 minutes or 60 minutes to do all their cardio. But in reality, it's easier the other way around. All of us can find 10 minutes here or there. Oh, yeah.

And so if you just find 10 minutes twice a day or three times a day, there's 30 minutes. And it's, it can be at any time like in between a client for me or if you work at a computer, you can be like, Oh, looks like I have 15 minutes. I'm going to go walk around the block three times. And these little, these little blocks of time are actually easier to stick to because they don't feel like the commitment is as big. You don't have to take out so much time. you don't have to feel like you're working out for so long, and that aspect of it makes it much more effective as well. Oh, absolutely.

It's far easier to do it that way. Like I said, when I put on, when I say I'm going to start doing 90 minutes of cardio, plus I'm weight training, so I'm weight training every day for an hour, and then if also nice having to do 90 minutes of walking, whether it be treadmill or outside, to run it right after my workout, two and a half hours in the gym. That's a long time to be in the gym. I don't got that kind of time. But I most certainly can do an hour in the gym and then maybe 10 minutes after I do my workout, I walk a little bit right after. I normally do 10 or 15. That's what I do. And then another 10 to 15 later on the afternoon, then another 10 to 15. I just I just break it up in the little break

side that walk the dogs at all these things that I, and it's gotta be what you have to do. So if someone's listening right now, they're going like, well, I walk my dogs and I do this. If you're trying to reduce body fat, change your body composition, it needs to be outside of what you already do. Your body has already been adapted

and has already got a use to like whatever this, your normal activity level is. So you gotta kind of think outside the box. If you pretty much walk your dog once or twice every single day, well, then you need to walk them three times. And if you already walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes and you do a workout for an hour, well, then you need to do 45 minutes to an hour, spread out, if you like, you know, throughout the day.

But it needs to be outside the norm. And you got to be conscious of that and pay attention. And, you know, just a lot of that just comes with you focusing on and paying attention to your daily activities for the most part, okay? And of course, there's always exceptions to the rule. We, you know, if you're someone who travels for business and you fly out blah, blah, blah, you know, that stuff happens. But for the most part, pretty, most humans are pretty consistent with what they do from

a day to day basis. You can figure out what days we Oh, we all have routines. Yes. We all have routines. Very, very much so. And I'm glad we're bringing some of this stuff up because we get questions from a lot of personal trainers. How to be successful as a trainer.

How to be successful with my clients. And I'm going to tell you right now, besides being a likable person, besides the fact that your client has to want to meet with you, you know, X amount of times a week, you are going to have to educate your client and you're going to have to take them through the, you know, what we've learned as the four stages of learning. We actually touched on the first one, which is unconscious in competence. Most clients are going to come to you. Most people are going to come to you as a trainer with a level of incompetence that they're

unconscious about. They don't know that they don't know. And I get this a lot when I first work with the client and I show them posture. And I get to say movement is a big one. Yeah, I'll strengthen their posture. And the next thing I know, they'll come in and be like, I'm more aware of my posture.

I'm pulling my shoulders. And what ended up, what just happened to them was they just moved into the second stage of learning, which is now they're consciously incompetent. They now know that they don't know. And that's the easy step. That's the first step that you're gonna take your clients to.

The third step is where a lot of people get stuck. And that's conscious competence. So to give you an example, we'll use posture again. Conscious competence would be the person knows that their posture is bad. Now they're consciously correcting their posture all day long. But you don't want to stop there. You want to get it to the last stage.

This is what athletes will call the zone. This is conscious, excuse me, yeah, unconscious competence. So now you're not even conscious of the fact that your body is moving the way you want. Or you're not even conscious of the fact that you're eating right, that you're making the right decisions, that you're creating those habits. And those are the stages you have to take your clients through. And if you can get them to the fourth stage, you have now provided with them long term success.

And you can even apply those stages to yourself. If you're trying to get better at something, or you're trying to do something, you need to move through those stages and identify where you're at and try to move to the next one. And when you can become unconsciously competent, you have now developed second nature. It is part of your being. It is who you are. It is not something you have to even think about anymore. It's just what you're doing.

And if you can do that, you got success. No, absolutely. It's just constantly repeating that process and it takes reps. So you're not going gonna really achieve that, you know, last stage unless you really are consciously putting that effort in day after day after day than all of a sudden, yes. It takes practice and I'll get there.

I'll tell you right now, for the listeners listening, how many of you listeners think about breathing? Nobody. That is a form of unconscious competence. You breathe naturally. How many of you think about walking when you're walking? You know, you don't, you just take a step. You are unconsciously competent of that movement.

And so this is, if you can hit that stage of understanding, then you have true success. And that's your goal as a trainer for your clients and even apply that to yourself. Be aware of where you're at and that's in those stages and then you know where you need to go. And I'm always constantly, I'm always aiming to get to that four stage for whatever I wanna do. And it just takes lots of practice.

What was the number? Someone had established a while ago, it was like 10,000 hours. And that's I think why you said 10,000, right Adam? So just practice. Well, you know, keep it every- That's why a lot of apprenticeships. They have similar types of programs set out for like X amount of hours Because you really do don't you don't achieve that until you put that sort of work in and time frame Well, I think I don't know if we touched on this before when we talked about the evolution of our training

I know we got a little more into our personal how we train ourselves, but you know, I can say the evolution of my training as clients, and if you're a trainer and you're listening to this or you're a new trainer or a trainer that's inspired to be a trainer right now, one of the things that so many trainers that beginning focus on is giving these clients the hardest workout they've ever had, you know. And that's their mentality becomes like, I can make this client more sore than the last trainer of a trainer, and that's how a lot of trainers think they gauge their house successful with a trainer they are. Who's a better trainer?

Like, when the client, when Susie saw Sal, she came to me and said that Sal didn't really get her sore. So I'm going to break her off and show her what time it is. So, you know, and I think every trainer, when they first start off, can get kind of caught up in that a little bit and start focusing on like the most creative, the most crazy workouts they give. When I really got better as a trainer was when,

or the shift that I had was, I actually started to put a lot less focus on the hour that I was with them because I could take care of that. I hour that I was with them because I could take care of that. I'm going to be with them. I'm going to be watching them. I'm always going to give them a pretty good workout. I became more focused on giving them tools to be successful the other 23 hours. And that became a huge difference in the results that my people started to see. Getting your clients to just like you said, create those small habits of, you know, and learning

about what they do, you know, tell me what you, I want to know what she does or he does every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, what their activities look like. And then when I start to hear like, okay, they work at this time, they wake up this, and then I get started giving them small goals. And I'll say, hey, this week, what I want you to do, and you keep it simple, I think, okay, this week, what I want you to do, I know on Tuesday, you're normally up by eight o'clock, and then you start your day into this. I want you to wake up at 7.30. And when to wake up at 7.30. And when you wake up at 7.30, all I want you to do is go take a walk around the block,

nothing strenuous whatsoever. You can be half asleep doing it. I don't care. Just get up, walk for 30 minutes before, then start your day. You know, that's Tuesday's thing. Saturday, you know, that's Saturday's the day they sleep until 10 or 11. It's also the day they lay lounge around and watch sports or whatever it is. And then so, hey, this is what I want you to do on this day.

That day, I want you to accomplish two miles throughout your day. You can spread it up over quarter mile breaks, whatever it is that whatever I don't care, just all I want to know is that you accomplish that. And I would follow up and small goals like that. And then all of a sudden, I start seeing all these craters. And then you create those, then they start to get it. That like, South says, then they become conscious of what they were doing before. And then it create those, then they started to get it. That like, South says, then they become conscious of what they were doing before.

And then it becomes a point where they become a habit and then they just start to do that. Like they just know that, hey, on Saturdays, I need to make sure I get my walk in. I need to make sure I do this on these days and you get up a little bit earlier. And all that stuff starts to add up and make a huge difference in their body

and what's going on. So that for me was huge. I don't know if you guys evolved the same way or came out that way or not. 100% I remember I used to get really irritate when I first became a trainer I get really irritated when a client wasn't doing everything that I told him at the first in the beginning Yeah, like oh, you're not here. Here's your diet. Here's your workout

This is what you get here and they wouldn't do everything and I'd be like ah, you know You got to do it all now and then I realized like you said it's it's a it's a it's a process And then I realized like you said, it's a process, one step at a time, and it takes a long time. I, you know, when I tell clients, it's like, look, you've never worked out, you know, you wanna lose 20 pounds, this is something new to you. It's gonna take you a couple years before you become good at this.

It's like you can't learn, nobody enjoys playing the piano when they first start playing it. It's fucking sucks, until you're good at it, you know start playing it. It's fucking sucks until you're good at it. You know? So it's gonna take a long time to get good at this. So let's give you a, you set the stage that way. That's it, just be entertaining. And I mean, that helps a lot because it is.

It's a big, long process. And you don't wanna throw that right at them, especially as you're doing your prezo, like how long it's actually gonna take. But we'd talk a while ago about like clients and like how I've had clients for years and years. And it's just because of that. It's such a long process that,

you know, you get, you obviously make, you accomplish great things, you know, going through the process, but it's not, if you get outside of the instant mentality where we're just trying to ramp up intensity and we're trying to get these things to happen, that just has never lasted in my career. You know, I actually, for myself,

and I haven't even said this to any clients yet, but it's almost like I wanna change the word, I wanna change what I'm called from being a trainer to being like a coach, like a fitness coach. Because it makes more sense, you know, a trainer trains you for an hour and you leave. Yeah. But you're not going to get anybody's success if you do that. You have to be more of a coach.

Right. Because they're with you for, you know, two or three hours a week, you know, they're not with you for way more than that. And you got to be able to coach them through that, through the time they're not with you. Otherwise, they're not going to be spending the rest dependent on you, right? Because when you're just a trainer and you're trying to accomplish something in a short amount of time, you know, they're so dependent on you to get them there. As opposed to like just daily having these, these processes that they're going through and like really

scaling one thing at a time, it just empowers them to then go further. And then they know what's ahead of them, and then they can just make progress on the next one thing, which I'm always trying to distill it down. That's been my evolution as a trainer, is to really distill the process to the real important core things, especially with nutrition. That's why I wrote the guide to specifically start with just learning how to eat better and make better decisions. Then you go from there. That could take however long. There's really no time length to that.

Oh, dude. I've had clients that have been with me for three years, and barely lost any weight, and then something clicks, and then boom, sitting, we have to wait for that. Yeah, so I think that's the biggest key, is like as a trainer, as a coach, you really can't, I mean, you can press hard, and you can push them to like where they're not gonna go, but it's not gonna have the life changing effect

as when you really get inside this person's head and then you see all of a sudden this click happens. And that's how it happens. And then it's like boom, it's like wildfire and then that's what you just created with this person. And it's amazing. Mm-hmm. Coaching.

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