Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1003: How to Train to "Lift" Breasts, the Negative Impact of Diet Foods, the Benefits of Massage Therapy & MORE

Episode Date: April 5, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the value of decline presses to lift the breasts, whether foods like Halo Top give people an excuse to overeat and create a bad relationship with food, the benefits of massage therapy for training, mentality and recovery and their immediate first impression of the other 3 mind pump partners. Is there truly a market out there for breast milk? Plus, the theory behind women with large breasts. (4:43) Mind Pump checks themselves on their definition of ‘powerbuilding’. (9:39) Red light therapy for muscle growth and peak physical performance using Joovv. (16:18) How Sal uses the ‘gold juice’ from Organifi to recover from a hard workout. (20:56) The internet needs new rules and Mark Zuckerberg wants to write them. How less liberty does not equal more safety. (22:16) The NEW and IMPROVED Mind Pump Media website + the updated ‘30 Days of Coaching’. (29:30) Marvel breaks the internet!! Why Disney will be the company to take down Netflix. (33:17) Justice Department Warns Academy Over Potential Oscar Rule Changes Threatening Netflix. (38:37) Media multitasking is associated with a higher risk for obesity and increased responsiveness to rewarding food stimuli. (40:11) #Quah question #1 – My chiropractor told me to stop doing straight bar flat bench because it’s terrible for shoulders and being a woman it wouldn’t build my chest muscles. He told me if I had to bench to use the decline bench and it would hit my underboob muscles and give me a lift. Is he full of shit? (42:34) #Quah question #2 - Do you think foods like Halo Top give people an excuse to overeat and create a bad relationship with food? (50:05) #Quah question #3 – What are the benefits of massage therapy for training, mentality, and recovery? How often should you get a massage? What kind of massage? And what to look for in a massage therapist? (59:20) #Quah question #4 – What was your immediate first impression of the other 3 Mind Pump partners? Can you think of something they have done since that has solidified that impression or broken that impression? (1:08:57) People Mentioned The TITAN Mike OHearn (@mikeohearn)  Instagram Jordan Harbinger (@jordanharbinger)  Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Dr. Justin Brink (@premiere_spine_sport)  Instagram Dr. Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned MAPS Fitness Products Joovv Organifi  **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas. - The Washington Post 172: Clint Watts | Surviving in a World of Fake News - Jordan Harbinger Avengers: Endgame Tickets Pre-Sale Breaks The Internet | Collider Apple reportedly close to adding HBO, Showtime, and Starz to upcoming video service DOJ Warns Academy Over Proposed Oscar Rule Changes – Variety Media multitasking is associated with higher risk for obesity and increased responsiveness to rewarding food stimuli Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this super duper awesome episode of Mind X-Tra-Awesome. Look, before we get into the fitness question, we do our introductory entertainment part, conversation. We start out by talking about, we had to correct ourselves by the way, power building, we actually had the wrong impression

over what it was. Mark, your calendar's everybody. So we talked about what power building, I guess, means today, and we mentioned some of the athletes that talk about power building, like the great Michael Herne, how much respect we have for that guy. I brought up the Juve Red Light Study. Now, Red Light Therapy has been shown in some studies

to improve athletic performance, build muscle, and improve endurance. Now, we are sponsored by Juve, the leading makers of Red Light for Red Light Therapy. If you go to Juve.com. J-O-O-V-V.com, forward slash mind pump, you'll get a free Maps Prime program with the purchase of $500 or more and you'll get free shipping.

Then I talked about how I use the Organifi Gold Juice post workout when I have those workouts that I know were just a little bit too hard. So it helps with inflammation, recovery, helps putting my body in a parasympathetic recovery state. It's also delicious, delicious with almond milk or with macadamia nut milk, which is my favorite. Now we are sponsored by Organifi, if you go to Organifi.com, that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com-Four-Sash-MinePump and use the code MindPump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talked about Mark Zuckerberg and how he now wants the government to regulate the internet.

How interesting. Yeah. We talked about our free 30 days of coaching on our new website, mindpumpmedia.com. We talked about how Marvel broke the internet by pre-selling their Infinity Wars movie. I guess the the the Fandango line was like an hour long online.

So many geeks. So little time. Crazy. Then we talked about Netflix and the Oscars. Apparently the Oscars can't exclude Netflix. They got a letter from the Department of Justice with the hell of a care. Then we talked about a study on how media multitasking has been linked to obesity.

And it's not what you think. It's kind of interesting. Then we get into the fitness portion of this episode. The first question was, this individual's chiropractor told her to stop bench pressing, because it's bad for her shoulders. And she should do decline benches because it would hit her in quotes under boob

and give her a lift. Lots of knowledge, he dropped it. Yeah, so, no, bad. It wasn't the good knowledge at all. It was actually garbage, anti-knowledge. We talk about why in that part of the episode. Next question, do we think foods like Halo Top, that's that ice cream that's very low calorie?

It's kind of like a diet ice cream. Yeah. Do we think that foods like that give people an excuse to overeat and create a bad relationship with food that's a great question. We had a great discussion there. Next question, what are the benefits of massage therapy for training, mentality, and recovery,

and the final question? What was our immediate first impressions of the other three mind pump partners? Oh yeah. What did I think of them? What did they think of me? What did all of it, we all think of each other? Was a circle jerk of compliments?

Yeah, it was basically turned into polyamory without the sex. That's it, right? Yeah, that's what happened. Also, look, we create fitness programs. We create fitness programs for all kinds of people. If you're a beginner, we have programs for you. If you're advanced, we have programs for you. These are workouts designed for particular individuals

and for particular sets of goals. So let's say you want to sculpt your body and you want to shape it like a body builder or a bikini competitor. We have a program called Maps aesthetic. Let's say you want to work on your movement and you love working out because you like to be able to move like a amazing athlete. Well, that would be Maps performance. Let's say you want to just build overall strength and muscle and you want to speed up your Metals and that's maps and a ballic but we have many many other programs for again different goals and different people and we also have bundles like our Super bundle which combines Several maps programs and puts them in order for you so you have a year planned out for you literally you get the Super bundle

One year all your workouts set up for you, and they're expertly designed. You have exercise demos, blueprints, explanations, everything that you can need to get into amazing shape. It's a bundle of love, Sal. It's pretty awesome. You can find all the maps, programs, and the bundle at mapsfitnisproducts.com. What if I told you that there is a substance

that has been proven To triple somebody's body weight both muscle you had me at what if I told you both muscle bone Everything within one year triple. I'm talking about triple size triple. There's a there's an actual proven compound That actually everybody in this room is probably used in the past that tripled our body weight. Water. Press milk.

Press milk. Yeah, I'm just trying to hone in my commercial for breast milk. That's right. Bodybuilders are ready. After we read those articles, I was like, fuck. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Boost cognition by like 50%. You know what I'm saying?

Have you guys baby who's an infant to one year? It's a big difference. Have you been following that? Is it still going or what? No, I just thought it was funny. After I read that article. A colostrum. So what day was that? Because I got caught up twice now on April Fool's jokes.

Oh no, it was a really scary got me. And that supplement company got me. It's a good point. So you might have been just trolling us. Yeah, did we get trolled? No, it's there's really women who are selling it. You say that so confidently right there. No, no, has it?

No, it's for sure. Like I had so wet, he's like, I had so yesterday. No, no, no, no. I did a lot of research, so you know why? Because I was thinking like, this is brilliant. There's a market out there. What is a lot of research, it's like that. It's the only protein drink specifically designed

for humans, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I almost sold myself. What are we even doing? I was thinking of like, way, I was like, this is hilarious. I bet I could make a good commercial for this and then I was like, wait a minute. Yeah. This might be a good thing.

Oh, it's on Google, huh, Doug? Yeah. Must be true. No, no, look. But you know you want to go right to the source. It's got to be organic. You know, you got to get right up in there. Of course, of course, Dave Asprey wrote on it already.

Yeah, look at this, some bodybuilders claim breast milk helps build muscle mass more than any other food. I like the model they used for drinking the shake there. Yeah, she looks like she got some big ones. I'm just saying. By the way, just the size of the breast doesn't really tell you how much their milk they're producing. Just want you to know that. Is that true? What? That's misleading.

It's kind of like the big head doesn't mean you get a big brain type of deal. Correct. No, not at all. Did you guys know, you want to hear something crazy? Did you guys know that human, well, okay, female humans are one of the only mammals that have permanently large breasts. Did you know that?

Like, oh, because they all deflate. Almost all of their animals, their breasts or their teeth or whatever, only swell up when they're producing milk for their young. They don't have big breasts all the time. No staying power. No, humans are one of the only mammals that have consistently big boobs all the time.

Like, obviously, you know, why? Well, the prevailing theory is that breasts have been sexualized by humans for a very long time, because we evolved from being on all fours to standing upright, and boobs signify that a woman might have gone through puberty, might be fertile, and it's just a sexual cue. And humans are very sexual. We're very sexual animals. I mean, most of the times we have sex, it's just so aggressive. It's been a couple weeks, huh, guys? It's been a couple weeks, huh, obvious?

Yeah, it's been a couple weeks, huh? Get your hands on your fans. Oh, man, sorry, sorry guys. We're, you know, most of the times we have sex is not to procreate and we always, and again, we're one of the only mammals to have sex when we're not in heat. You know, women can only get pregnant at a small percentage of time

and yet they have sex all the time. So we're very sexual. So the prevailing theory is that breasts have been sexualized by humans and so there was this kind of this. Therefore, they evolved to be bigger. They evolved to be bigger because the women with big boobs all the time were the ones that were probably getting

all the mates, and so same reason why male humans have of all primates, we have the biggest penises of all primates, yeah, in relation to our size. Like a gorilla, if you ever, by the way, if you ever make a joke and say, I got a gorilla dick, you don't know what you're talking about, because gorillas have small pieces. They do. They do. They're very, very small pieces. You huge body. Have you heard someone say that before? I got a gorilla dick. Actually, so you know how I used to read the Encyclopedia when I was a kid?

Yeah, yeah. I was in, I don't know, I was in seventh grade eighth grade. You know guys, I try to bribe. My dick dick so big, but you know Stupid right and I remember his kids like I got a gorilla dick and because I read the encyclopedia I was like you do huh? Like I probably believe you he's like yeah, I do I'm like yeah I think you do have a gorilla dick. He's like yeah, I do it's fucking and I brought the encyclopedia and I'm like It's too interesting Tiny you don't got the girl But anyway again because of the don't go with dog. Because the penis in man has been sexualized.

So women consistently find a larger penis to be more aesthetic and that probably helped them. And you're asking me, yeah, well, I mean, motor boating became a thing. I have to check us, because we do this, right? Anytime that we put out information that we were wrong or we misled people. Yeah, I write this down, everybody. Yeah.

Right. I'm not this. It's a marking history. It happens. It happens every once so while. And, you know, our definition, more so, Sal's definition of power building was off. And we were corrected that it is, you know, Michael Herndt supposedly has been the person who has really made this pop. So has he revamped it in terms of like, was it defined more towards what we were describing

like a while ago and then it just got like a resurgence? Yeah, so I was basing it off of what I remember, bodybuilders, you know, the bodybuilders that I remember using that term back in the day, people like Victor Richards, for example, back in the 90s. I've heard people refer to like Branch Warren style of training and other bodybuilders in the 90s and before, what's the name, Bertel Fox. Bertel Fox was a guy that got went to jail for killing his girlfriend, but anyway. Wow.

He was this bodybuilder, massive bodybuilder first time, and he worked out very loose and heavy, and he called it power building. And so that's what I thought they were referring to, but to be corrected, it's used differently nowadays. Right, so people say a heron's approach is to lift compound movements as heavy as possible with perfect form and low reps to build connective tissue strength, then follow with bodybuilding moves to build

the muscles. Essentially what the workout looks like is you're doing these heavy low rep movements to start the workout. Which is well. And then you do this is how we program. Yeah, looks a lot like animal. In some ways, yeah, I mean, we phase, right? Yeah, but I mean, we also encourage people that whether you're following one of our programs or building your own program that this is kind of how the the order of operation should go in your workouts

It doesn't make a not to be said. Okay, because I know everybody hangs on every fucking word I say not to be said you can't go the other direction There's not some value into doing some isolation exercises first and then going to compound lifts. But for the most part, leading with compound lifts and going heavy first on those movements and then moving to isolation type exercises afterwards, typically a better idea. Right. Because you're going to be able to maintain form and composure a lot more so than you would. Yeah. And the argument is that these compound movements lend themselves better to heavier weight and lower reps, whereas isolation movements lend themselves better to higher reps, which is true. And you're also getting, you're getting a bigger bang for your buck and compound lifts.

So it makes sense that you would want to conserve energy for those. So you would want to be fatigued when you're doing the movements that are the biggest bang for your buck. So. And Michael Herne is a rare example of a bodybuilder that has trained heavy, the guy is just like a superhero. He is strong as fuck. I know he's been claiming natural forever.

Some people dispute that. I don't care. The guy has been lifting heavy and strong for a long time. He's a badass. And the thing I like about him is, he obviously knows what he's doing because he hasn't had any major injuries.

I don't know very many bodybuilders who train heavy like he does who haven't suffered from terrible injuries. Well, he's smart the way he does. He plays with a lot of angles, right? And so, and what's smart about that is that, you know, where injury normally happens is when you get outside of that, that range that you got really strong and right, you get really strong in the sagittal plane and then you do a movement and you slightly move out of that

plane a little bit and you're weak there and that's where injury occurs. Well, what he does really well and if you watch a lot of the exercises that he teaches and demonstrates, he does a lot of unconventional type of lifts where he's angling his elbows out all weird and he's doing things. But what makes sense about that and then the logic behind that is to protect someone like him who lifts really, really heavy like that, you get strong in these kind of awkward type of positions. Then when you get, when you're lifting really heavy and it gets compromised a tiny bit,

you still have got some control and strength outside of that. What? In my opinion, Michael Herndt's one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders ever. You've ever heard a story when he was like 16, he was like benching like ridiculous. He was a champion powerlifter, I believe California. He was also a judo champion. A lot of people don't know that about him. So he can also move.

And judo was a very explosive athletic martial art, full contact grappling art. So he was a champion at that. And he's been lifting this way for decades. The guy now has got to be in his mid 40s, but he was doing this way back when he was in early 20s. That's when I used to read about him, back in the 90s. And he's always, and now he's always claimed natural.

Again, there's people who now he's always claim natural again There's people who say he's full of shit or whatever doesn't matter But the dude has looked awesome since day one. I don't care if you took steroids like crazy for 10 years You still still to what he's done is and unbelievably impressive Well, it makes more sense to me that he's When you see someone who's trained a long time naturally and trained heavy a long time naturally, it makes more sense the fact that he's remained relatively injury free because you see a lot of guys

who get on gear, get crazy with their workouts and then the risk of injury goes up because the muscles get so big and strong, but the connective tissue tends to lag behind or they don't get the control behind the way. Now, the other thing you have to understand too that people are there. You know we're gonna have them on the show, right?

Are we? Yeah, sweet. You know you guys were talking like months ago, is it scheduled? I believe he is scheduled and he's a cool guy. Like if you, you know, I'll contact him, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll message us back. I think the thing that I think people have to be careful

of when, you know, here's, this is another classic example of because he looks amazing and it's worked so well for him that so many people follow suit and natural or not natural because I don't care about that. He's definitely a genetic anomaly. Oh yeah. Like you just, and he's been doing it for a long time. Yeah.

And he has been lifting good. I mean, not just lifting, but lifting good and competitively since he was a teenager. So he's, he's got 30 years of decades that he's put in. Yeah, and that's the thing that everybody like tries to get like all the way up to where they currently are. I want to do that program because it's working. Look at that body. It's like, yeah, the base was decades in the making.

Yeah, and if you look at guys who are natural for a long time and build up lots of muscle, you'll notice that many of them place an emphasis on heavy strength training. Skip LeCore was another guy. He was another guy that claimed that he was natural, but he was another guy that trained very heavy and similar in a similar fashion. So anyway, it's pretty cool. Did you guys read the article that was sent to us by Juve?

No. So I'm going to pull it up right now. Is it new or what? No, they wanted to sit. So, you know, we obviously are sponsored by them and they always are sending us studies and stuff on their products. Yeah. And the one thing that, you know, that they talk about red light therapy helping is athletic

performance in particular. The recovery of it. Muscle building and peak physical performance. Wow. Muscle building and peak performance. Wow. Muscle building. Yeah, so there's clinical trials that show a significant improvement for, you know, measures related to performance, like max reps, speed, endurance. Now, is that because of the recovery process? Because is that why it's, they're able to say that? Well, so here's the thing about red light. It's not 100% understood as to how it works. We have a good idea.

Like when you expose your body to red light, the, your production of ATP, it like turbocharges your mitochondria. And so your body starts producing more ATP. It starts to make things burn more of this energy and produce more of this energy. So it theoretically will speed up recovery. It kind of turbocharges your body.

Wow. It would be really interesting to see that as a head-to-head battle with like creatine or something like somebody is like, okay, we're combining it with creatine. Well, of course, that would be probably the end. That's my idea because it affects ATP the way it does. My idea is to, so here's how I would do the red light therapy. And this is all theory by the way. This is my theory.

So I have nothing to support this, but besides my own anecdote, we know that creatine is utilized more effectively and efficiently by the body post workout. We know this now that used to be, believe that it really didn't matter, but now studies are showing that if you take creatine post workout, you use more of it

and you synthesize more ATP like your body's trying to regain more of the ATP that it burned. So I go workout, I take my creatine post workout, now my body's primed to produce more ATP, I've got the creatine which is gonna fuel the ATP and then I throw the red light on top of it. So now I'm kinda turbocharging that effect. That's been my approach lately.

Now, have you, I know you talked about, are you getting ready, have you mounted your Juve and your sauna? No, not yet. In fact, I'm gonna take some of these big panels home. Okay. Cause right now I'll have the small go-well. Oh yeah.

No, I think, yeah, we're gonna split that up cause I wanna bring mine too. And that last study, like we covered about like cognition, like I've, that resonated with me. And so I'm like, like really adamant about including that, you know, like on my face and on my head and everything else. Like if I'm gonna get benefits from that as well.

Yeah, no, it's funny because in some circles, they're talking about red light therapy, but being a potential unfair competitive advantage. How funny is that? Wow. Yeah. How funny is that? Well, didn't that also happen with what mushroom was that?

Cora-cept Yeah, they did that with port of steps also for a little while, which you know, hey look if you've got organizations talk about something being unfair advantage It's because it works. Yeah, exactly It's apparently they're paying attention Yeah, I mean the the the muscle building stuff that I'm reading is pretty is pretty interesting that they're showing Like they did a grip test one where they found a 55% increase in grip test from using red light therapy. That's a big, that's big.

Dude, finally, cool thing. You know, like it's interesting how like these make their way through the biohacking community, like a lot of these like interesting new like techniques and technologies and now it's starting to make sense in terms of like muscle building. That's exciting. Yeah, and the way I look at all this stuff, we've talked about this so many times, is you

want to look at all these things as cool ways to complement a good workout and good diet. Right. If you have a bad diet and you're not working out well, it's not going to do much work. It's the same way I feel about like our organified green juice. Yeah. It's like if you're if you're diet shit, you're not working out well. Well, it's not going to do much. It's the same way I feel about like our organified green juice. Yeah. It's like if you're if you're diet shit, you're not working out, you know, I do only things and you're you're drinking that and you're like religious about drinking that. It's like, okay, come on, dude, the size of that rock. But if you've got your diet in order, you got your workouts in order and you're lacking just not getting enough leafy greens,

you die, which I think a majority of people do. Sure. Yeah, well, and I brought this up before, but like same thing, like if you introduce somebody that doesn't eat a lot of vegetables and fruits and their diet like to like the green juice, because it's easy to drink, it's one of those things that's like refreshing and has this minty kind of like real easy, you know, and they immediately feel the results of that

because it's like, They never even show up, they're deficient. Yeah, holy shit, but that's where like, man, it makes a huge impact on somebody like that versus, you know, like we know the benefits of eating, you know, whole natural foods and, you know, fruits and vegetables. Yeah, that's superior. It's just get a trauma.

Something I've been doing with the gold juice because the gold juice is, it's a, it's more of a parasympathetic product, right? It's supposed to relax your body. It's got turkey tail in it, which is a relaxing mushroom or whatnot. It's got the what's it called? Tumoric in there and the anti-inflammatory. What juice are you talking about? Gold juice. So what I do with the gold juice now, I was called the orange juice.

By the way, do macadamia, nut milk and gold juice? Holy shit. Holy shit is that good. It is incredible. You talked about that, frothing it, right? Yes, with the tea. Oh my God, it's so good. But anyway, so what I've been doing with gold juice is if I do a workout that I'm at the point now where I can tell I might have overdone it a little bit,

you know when you done with your workout and you're like, okay, I think I went. Like a couple degrees too hard. Yeah, stretched it. Then I go the gold juice because of the anti-inflammatory effects and help kind of, because you know, when you want some, if you overdo it,

a little bit of anti-inflammatory, natural anti-inflammatory effects, I think will benefit your recovery and adaptation. If you're just working out normally and you throw a bunch of anti-inflammatory stuff at yourself, natural stuff, it might actually inhibit that muscle building signal, but I know when I push a little harder than I probably should have.

Then I drink the gold juice and it seems to make a difference because then I feel better like 30 minutes later and then the next day I'm not like nearly as tore up or sore or whatever. Hey, did you see what's going on with Facebook and Zuckerberg trying to get his hands in the regulation of the internet stuff? Don't piss me off. It's my day serving you up'm serving you up right now. Tell me all about this. Yeah, I saw. I saw like some comment about him being the new government shield or something. He wrote a blog that basically he's making a case for internet for regulation by the government

to protect our privacy, to help regulate the kind of news that we're reading to prevent, you know, trolls from overseas. And he wants to help write the laws, right? Oh, of course. There's no conflict of interest there at all. Can I just listen? Please, please hear me on this. If there's anything you hear about on this podcast, okay, I know we get into fitness stuff too, but just listen to this part right here, okay? This is a classic story, it happens every time.

There's a new market, players compete, a couple giants emerge, those giants, then lobby government to create laws and rules and say no, in order for people to get into this business, they need to pass all these certifications and laws, they need to have all these stringent measures. And really all they're doing is raising the barrier to enter the market to prevent any competition.

That's all they're trying to do. If you look at the major phone companies, AT&T and Pacific Bell and all those companies, that's what they did. They exploded because all of a sudden everybody had telephones and they're like, oh no, wait a minute, we need regulation. So they partnered with government. And now what we're left with is one fucking telephone company or one cable company or whatever.

Same thing they're doing with the internet. You don't want regulation, you do not want your government regulating the internet. So far, it's fucking built itself, in self-organized and I'm telling you right now, look at the internet 10 years ago, look at it today, so different, so much better because it's free and open. And here's what will happen,

if people don't like a company because it's not doing what they want, they'll go somewhere else, including you Facebook, people will leave you if they don't like you either. So, no, yes, fucking Zuckerberg. It's a classic, it's, hey, they do this every time. Do you think it'll, you think it'll go through? What do you think?

I think they've tried several times to pass regulations for the internet and it's been defeated several times. Here's how it could go down. And I'm not claiming conspiracy. I'm just saying, if something major happens, let's say millions of people's bank account get hacked or people's information gets stolen or a big website that a lot of people businesses are built like Amazon gets taken down so everybody loses money. That's when

they'll jump. When they when there's a big like oh shit then they'll jump because everybody's scared hey we need you guys need us to save you guys you need us to protect you guys so we're gonna pass this bill that will you know ensure that we help protect you guys. So we're gonna pass this bill that will, ensure that we help protect you guys and then what's gonna be buried in the bill that nobody ever reads, including the senators that in congressman that pass it, is all this other shit that regulates the fuck out of the internet and essentially makes it

something that the government uses to do what they want or whatever. So that's what I think will happen. I don't think it'll pass unless there's an emergency. And I'm sure at some point, something's gonna happen, just like anything else, nothing's perfect. Everybody's trying to improve upon whatever. Well, in a while, what Russia's built their own internet.

Same thing, they want to control. Same thing, yeah. And in this whole fake news and government trolls and going back and forth, and this is not new. Governments have been doing this for a long time. We fuck with each other all time. We try to influence each other's elections. They're just using the new mediums because I was listening to Harbinger's podcast and I forgot who he was talking to but this guy's like yeah dude he goes there's whole there's countries that have entire departments of people who are live will go online and they'll

make posts and they'll debate people to try to influence. Oh yeah, this is the long plate. I was listening to somebody else who was on Joe Rogan describe like a part of, I don't know if it's the CIA or you know they've been monitoring a lot of these like Russian influential like our bots or you know communities where they start like a certain community where they have like marches and then they plan these events and they don't even show up, but they throw gasoline into like these volatile issues and people just are completely manipulated from just starting this like sort of banter between people on Twitter or whatever social media it is.

And this has been happening since the beginning of social media. And it's just highlights how easy it is to fall in emotionally to these types of things. And we really need to check ourselves as far as like who's really like I mean if you like talk to people in real life are they really that inflammatory towards you like usually not usually not so that's kind of where I try to lean yeah well this is how they're making the case for regulation you know so that's because of fear right yeah that's that's the scary part is like it's starting to convince people like well fuck I don't want to get

Bamboozled by somebody on there and missled over some of that So yeah, I think regulations a good idea versus trying to filter it out and learn for yourself That's when they try to pass the control when they try to get people to voluntarily give up their own liberty and their own freedom It's always on the heels of something that scares us, and it's always sold or wrapped in the wrapping paper of, it's for your own safety, it's for your own good. We're protecting you. We're gonna protect you.

So like, we talk about speech. Speech is getting attacked quite a bit nowadays, what people saying, we need to ban hate speech. Why? Well, every once in a while we see something on social media that's just fucking repulsive, and people like, I can't believe people would say something like that. And so on the heels of that they'll say, oh see, we can't let these people build an army

of a bunch of bigots or racists or whatever. So we need to silence them. Do not give that power away. Do not give that power to anybody. That needs to remain completely free. And what comes with freedom? What comes with freedom is responsibility and risks. But history has shown us time and time again

that less freedom, less liberty, does not equal more safety. Usually it's the opposite. Usually it's fucking less safe. You go to China where things are much more regulated and controlled by the government and see how much safer you feel there than you do here.

Go over there and Criticize their government needs to be checks and balances, but it's a constant conversation that needs to be had It's not something where you just block and shunted from ever occurring now counter it with your own speech counter it with your own Ideas counter it with and so like like again like if Facebook starts to become super sensor Because they're a private company. They can do that they can can totally do that. If they start to censor all this shit and they start to become partisan or whatever, 100% someone else is gonna create another platform that people will start to go to

and they'll start to lose market share. And so that's the game they have to play rather than let's make it so hard for competitors to enter the market that it's gonna guarantee a monopoly by Facebook. They're already powerful enough. You make it hard to compete against them. it's going to guarantee a monopoly by Facebook. They're already powerful enough. Yeah. You make it hard to compete against them.

That's not going to be a good idea. So, you know, it's really exciting today. We got to announce this. And this has been in the works for almost, God, almost a year it feels like. It's probably been a whole lot of hard work for us for the last six months. We've officially refaced all the major, the main core programs, upgraded to all of them, upgraded the Blueprints, upgraded all the exercise videos, and the website. We have been building that for quite some time on a way more robust platform. We've separated the podcast with the

actually program website. We've navigated through, we've gone through and the part that I'm most excited to share with the audience is something that really helped Mind Pump grow early on. Before we even started selling programs, we created this 30 days of free coaching. And we really don't promote it very much because we wanted to go in and make it better and put it on the website and highlighted, Sal wanted to go through and redo the video, so it's even more robust. And so now, when you scroll down, when you go to MindPuntMedia.com and you scroll the bottom, it's free 30 days of coaching. And we've spent a lot of time, a lot of effort into taking a lot of the information that we provide on

the podcast and trying to encapsulate that in a 30-day teaching process of, okay, what subjects, what topics, if we had a client that hired us professionally, would we want to try and cover in those 30 days and we try to put that all together for you guys. It's absolutely free and it has videos every single day where Sal's talking to the camera and it's got all kinds of written content on there and links to all these podcast episodes. And it's three, it's 30 free modules

on the 30 most important things that we think people need to know about in regards to health and fitness. And so it's very valuable. It's the most simplified process we could think of. And like if you're somebody that knows like a coworker or you know, we always get hit up with like, well, my aunt's struggling with getting into the gym or like even thinking about it,

like this is such the perfect place. Start there. Check it out. Yeah, I thought I mean, the goal is just to be able to give people everything that they could possibly need if they're motivated to To get themselves going in the right direction and to create it and produce it and make it free so that there isn't you know We eliminate all the reasons aside from your own personal reasons as to why you should get started

It's also designed to so like the blogging site or the blogging piece of the site, I should say, is way better now too. So those that don't know this, there's anywhere between two to five blogs that are going out every single week, South constantly writing incredible material on there. You now, if there's a certain person that's writing for us that you really like the content

that they produce, you can subscribe to just that content, and you can have it filtered to where you're getting a notification every time a new article comes up. And so a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of money, a lot of resources have gone into making this website better for the consumer. I mean, this has been something we've been working on

for quite some time. I think we're all extremely proud of it and excited to release it to the audience. And hopefully those of you that already purchased the programs have already got the new updates inside your guys' mind pump library. And we'll continue to do that. So that's something that was a promise that we made

when we first started this podcast was, if you have purchased a program today or two years ago that as we continue to do revisions and add more to it and provide more value to them, you go automatically get it updated for free. Hey, what was that? You were talking about Marvel doing something? Oh, yeah, they broke the internet the other day. What do you mean? So they did a pre-sell on the newest marvel

that's coming out. You mean the newest movie? Yeah, the newest movie coming out. And so the last one, you know, was, in the Avengers? No, the newest one that's coming, it's not out yet. It's on pre-sell right now. I forget the movie.

I don't know, they pre-sell. They have a new one. So they decided to pre-sell. You know the last one that they just did that already released is fourth all time grossing. Captain Marvel, whooies. Yeah. It got, no, it wasn't Captain Marvel's the other.

No, the Avengers one. Yeah. Oh, most of the Infinity Wars. Yeah, Infinity Wars. Thank you. So that one broke all kinds of sales records. Okay. And so they decided to pre-sell this one.

It's end game, right? It's got to be this one. Yeah, that's the Infinity War. That's the second part, right? Yeah. Yes. Oh, I'm reading that right now. Avengers end game tickets,, that's the second part. Yes. Yes. Oh, I'm reading that right now. Avengers Endgame tickets, pre-sales and chaos.

Yes. And so it was so many people were trying to buy it that you had to wait like an hour on your phone just to get the pre-sales tickets. Dude, I had no idea people were that entrenched in this franchise. It shatters ticket,ale records, crashes websites, and it created long lines on Fandango. Yes. Wow.

It literally is like the new Star Wars. And here's the thing that I think of, fucking, guess who owns that? Disney. Disney. Yeah, Disney's a love. Healing it. Look the fuck out, Disney.

I'm so glad. What they did with Marvel was just insane. I'm so glad that Marvel was always one of my favorites, but they've really, really highlighted all of the characters and maxed them out to like where you're like, wow, you know, like Iron Man, like was my favorite comic of all time. And it never, you never saw a good movie about Iron Man. And then all of a sudden comes out of nowhere and it's like, holy shit, it's just as good as Batman. Like I couldn't believe it. Yeah, Disney, they did like Star Wars.

I mean, I had kind of like low hopes, like all right, let's see how they, yeah. And they did a decent job. Dude, a great job. I don't know about you guys. It's like a movie not so much. I would assume with you guys having kids, like still this day, dude, Disney movies

are some of my favorite movies. Yeah. But there's the movies that get me them, that they have just the cinematography, the audio behind it, the actors, the story. But yes, it's really, they've kept the stories being the most important. Yes, yes. Like, you know, they have value. Yeah, like you need that. You need that. That's what carries it, you know, and gives it staying power. Absolutely. And you're talking about Disney making your emotional. You just wait till you have your boy, man. it staying power. Absolutely. And you're talking about Disney making your emotional.

You just wait till you have your boy, man. Oh, yeah. All the Pixar movies. You know, get you. Bro, I will never forget this, man. My son must have been, I think he was like three. And we're sitting on the couch and it was like the first time that we watched a full movie. And when kids are really young, they don't like to sit down for a full movie. This is the first time like my boy and I sat and watched a whole movie together.

It was finding Nemo. Oh my God. And that too. Yeah, the scene where Nemo, you know, he loses his son. Yeah. When the kid snatches him up on the boat and then he's chasing his... And I, first time dad, and we're watching it and I'm looking at my son and I'm like, I'm gonna fucking cry.

Yeah, this is weird. They got you. Yeah. I'm like, I'm watching a cartoon. I'm about to cry. I never cry. I don't cry on for sure. I got like a teared up a bit reading the giving tree.

Oh, that one's funny. Yeah, that one kid. That's that one fucked up. Oh, you know, like I'm not appreciating this project. Yeah. Well, this is, this is why I think Disney is going to make a run in Netflix. I really do.

I really think at the very least, we are going to see Republicans and Democrats. We're going to see a split, right? At the very least. Who's using what media? Yes. Probably. Yeah. At the very least, we're going to see that. If we don't see an absolute dominance by Disney, I think that they will at least cut

the market share in half. You know what, though? I'll say this, though. The Republicans are Republicans are way way outgunned when it comes to Movies and the Democrats crush that well, you know what I mean by that right? Yeah, I mean like that we're gonna we're gonna divide it like that We're gonna they're you're gonna have two and then everybody else will kind of fall with it What even like Apple as much I know I posted about Apple the other day? I don't think that Apple is gonna be the main company

that rivals, at least not now. I mean, Apple may have the power and the finances to buy up one of these companies one day or partner with them somehow. I don't think they'll actually take down Netflix. They'll be like, you know, there's no way, not unless their whole thing is highest quality in the luxury brand of Apple.

It's carrying them. And so for them to get into this space, they would need to have the best quality show ever. Well, what they did do and what they announced, and that's why I posted about it, is they made a deal with HBO and Showtime, which now that's smart. They made a deal with HB and so you will be able to get

HBO and Showtime, like how you get it right now. I think I pay like $10.99 for a deal with H. And so you will be able to get HBO and show time like how you get it right now. I think I pay like $10.99 for each one of those. Yeah. Rumor has it that Apple will be providing a better deal for that than that anybody else will. Yeah. So if that's the case and show time and HBO have already been crushing it on these series, right? I mean, since the beginning, they're the ones that created this sort of, you know, medium, in terms of... Yes, the soprano. Six feet under the wire.

Like, these are all show time HBO show. Did you see the whole thing about the Oscar? The whole thing about the Oscars. About the Oscars and is it the Oscars? Or I think it's the Oscars and Netflix. So they got a letter, and I don't know from who, but saying they could be persecuted if they don't include Netflix shows as part of their awards. Did you guys see this? I gotta look this up.

Because it could be like, what's the word? Like these anti-trust laws, these old anti-trust laws that could be used because Netflix is not being thrown into these award shows. Oh, is this because of union and stuff? Crossings of things like that? That's the right word there, Doug, thank you. Yeah. Not persecuted. Not persecuted.

Purse of things. Purse of things. Purse of things. Purse of things. That would be like, put it in a cage and whipped and based on your beliefs. Yeah, they're very good. Jesus was persecuted.

He'll kill you. Hold on a second. Let me look this up here. Yeah, there it is. The depart, okay. So the banning Netflix from the Oscars could break the law, the Department of Justice Warns. So it says that Netflix is face black backlash

over its Oscar nominations and pressure on its inclusion in the annual Academy Awards has been growing. Now the DOJ suggests that the organization could be violating antitrust laws if it intends to exclude Netflix. Well, they don't want to let the wolf in the handhouse. Yes, stupid. This is so dumb. Who cares? Why does the department adjust this? Give a fuck.

Cheers. God, so don't find ban Netflix. They'll do their own award show. All it was just salty about it. It's because they're so intertwined with government. I'm saying. For sure. Throwing their money around and shit. Fuck outta here with that.

Speaking of media, so somebody sent me this study. They've now linked multimedia, multi-sket, excuse me, media multitasking. So going from app to app, or platform to platform being very distracted. They've associated it now with higher risk of obesity and an increased responsiveness to rewarding food stimuli. So that first part wasn't a big deal, right?

Higher risk of obesity. I'm like, oh, you know, people on going back and forth probably not moving, probably distracted whatever. But the second part was interesting. Increased responsiveness to rewarding food stimuli. Let's put that together. Why do you guys think that might be? Well, because you're going down the rabbit hole,

bouncing from out to out through the whole. Well, what do we tend to do too when we sit and binge walk? Like when I'm, you're mindless about eating. Yes, I'm binge. If I binge watch a show, like that's when I want to go get something and snack on it and make bad decisions

and it just feeds right into that mindless eating. Well, so this says that it's the increased responsiveness to rewarding food stimuli. So what this tells me is that they are, when they separate the people out, they're finding that people who multitask a lot or go back and forth between media, respond stronger to rewarding food than normal people. Now what this tells me, and here's my theory, they need it more. Yeah, I think that when you're priming your brain

with dopamine all the time, it becomes less responsive to, or you need to give it more dopamine to give you the same effect, you know what I'm saying? All right. So like being bored, far more boring because there's nothing at all. And something that normally would be rewarding to you.

So you build an absurd tolerance. Yes, absolutely. So you're literally training your brain to be hyper responsive to dopamine. So you're probably more likely to want that hyper palatable feeling. You're gonna seek it out. And so you can reward yourself with food,

get the same kind of hit. Crazy. Oh. Let's see. Quee-claw. I'm going in for everything. Nuts. Claw. Crazy Today's calls brought to you by Max and a ballick if you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength Math and the ballick is the perfect place to start with a full 30-day money back guarantee There is absolutely zero risk So what is your waiting for go to mind from media.com and get started today

For And Quake First question is from re-turd The name is spelled R-E-E and then turd. So you R-D, so it's like a bunch of jokes. I'm like, wow, you got us. You got it.

Great, great handball. We just got a troll, but it's got us. It's a girl too. Oh yeah, is it? Let's the question down. So here's the question. She's like my spirit animal. My chiropractor told me to stop doing straight bar flat bench because it's terrible for shoulders

and being a woman, I wouldn't build my chest muscles anyway. He told me if I had to bench to use decline bench and it would hit my underboob muscles and give me a lift, is he full of shit? The short answer, yes. Oh, those underboob muscles. The short answer, yes, he's very full of shit. If your chiropractor is not Dr. Brink or Jordan Schell, that's what the forums for. That's what we got them on there both those guys are on there you guys can reference these types of questions. I would not listen to a chiropractor about exercise and workouts unless they were also exercise

Specialists and not all chiropractors are I've worked with chiropractors in the past where clients would come to me afterwards and say, oh, my chiropractor says I shouldn't do any leg exercises. I shouldn't. Even the statement, stop doing straight bar flat bench because it's terrible for your shoulders. It's just a flawed statement. Totally. Now flat bench press is not terrible for your shoulders.

Flat bench press the wrong way could be terrible for your shoulders. But it does not mean it's bad for your shoulders. I mean, I hate when someone says something, this is part of the problem with the space. Is we scare people into thinking that, oh, this is, I mean, even as a trainer, I remember getting told stuff like this, like the squatting just down to 90 degrees and only benching down to 90 degrees.

Instead of treating humans like they're a bunch of idiots, like how about addressing why flat bench might be bad for somebody's shoulders? Well, yeah, if you have excessive upper cross syndrome and you have these pronounced rounded shoulders really, really bad, and then you go to heavy bench press and you don't address the problem. Sure, I can agree within that, that could be bad for your shoulders,

but I also would take it a step further and explain to you as my client why that is, and then how you should address it. And somebody who's a chiropractor, I would expect to know that, would expect to be able to explain to you what you have going on with your body and why it may be bad for you and what corrective exercises you should do to address that.

Right. And at the end of the day, like, he's a very simple way to understand this. If you can do a movement, any movement with good control, good stability and good balance, in other words, you have great mobility for that movement. That movement is safe, and I really don't care what that movement is. Now, some exercises require far more skill, far more control, and far more balance than others.

Some exercises have far more risk involved with doing them. Like if you do an Olympic lift, for example, it needs to be perfect. It needs to be perfect. If it's perfect, it's very safe. Some exercises have less risk, like a curl. Curl doesn't always needs to be perfect. It needs to be perfect. If it's perfect, it's very safe. Some exercises have less risk, like a curl. Curl doesn't always have to be perfect, probably not gonna hurt yourself.

So of course that's true, but again, if you could do the movement well with good stability, good control, good mobility, good balance, everything looks good, perfectly safe, not gonna be a problem. So in other words, do it properly. Yeah, anytime, yeah, if you don't have a follow-up

of education after like, you know don't have a follow-up of education after like, you know, somebody in a health profession says that this exercise is bad for you. I have a immediate red flag to that. Like in, you know, cause we've gotten this, the whole time like pulling anything behind your neck or doing it kind of behind the neck press or like literally it's not the exercise as much as it's,

you know, the body, the work and the body and you don't have access to that yet. You know, if that's something the goal of yours to gain access to that, or you know, you're, the way that your body and your posture is currently set is giving you pains and it's signaling something is wrong in the way that your mechanics are handling this load and this stress, then we need to address that now. I need to have an answer to that. I need to know the practices to put in place now to then benefit my shoulder. It all depends on how you...

Look, there's two approaches here. One approach is, oh, I want you to do a squat. You got bad knees, hurts my knees. Okay, don't squat anymore. Option two is I watch you do a squat. Squat doesn't look good. Hurt your knees. Why can't you squat? Let's figure out why you can't squat. Let's fix the reasons why you can't squat and let's get you to be able to squat. Will I succeed at being able to get you to squat? Most of the time, yes, sometimes no, but whatever I do to help you get to the point

where you can squat, even if we never achieve that, is going to benefit you because I'm addressing the issues versus the old way, which was, oh, your back hurts when you do that. Don't do that anymore. Oh, you're arm hurts when you reach overhead. Don't reach overhead anymore. That's the old answer, which is a terrible answer.

You know, the old saying, if you don't use it, you lose it completely true. So, oh, I can't, You know, the old saying, if you don't use it, you lose it completely true. So, oh, I can't, you know, I don't bench press because it hurts my shoulders and you're not addressing why. You're just like, I'm not gonna bench. You're gonna lose function. It's gonna make it much worse. The second part, yeah.

You gotta, as I was gonna say, please address the second part because I think this gets worse. The underboot. By, by, by, you gave the wrong exercise. By encouraging a decline bench for somebody who because I'm assuming if the Chiropractor told this person this we're just going to go ahead assume that he's at least smart enough to understand that the reason or

We we understand the reason why he's doing it because she's probably got these rounded shoulder forward shoulders, right and or upper cross syndrome and to or upper cross syndrome. And to recommend a decline bench to that person is awful. I would never recommend a decline bench, I wouldn't recommend a decline bench to most people period. I most certainly wouldn't recommend it to somebody who has upper cross syndrome. They're already reaching to compensate. Right, exactly.

If anything, they go an incline. They're gonna be a shame. They're gonna probably would have been a better option. They'll be struggling in the shoulder. Yeah, they're already, if you have a cross syndrome, you already have an overactive traps. You're already in this elevated trap position and rounded forward.

So if that's what's going on and that's why flat bench would hurt your shoulders, it also means that decline bench would be ridiculously stupid. Oh my God, if you had AC joint issues in your shoulder, let's say you're a chromioclavicular joint has problems, a decline bench would fuck you up. But here's the other thing that I'm saying too

with this chiropractor, he's like, hey, don't bench, it's bad for your shoulders. You know what you should do? You should do decline, because it'll lift your boobs, huh? Yeah, lift them boobs. What the fuck talks like that? No, okay, first of all, stupid. Second of all, if you want to lift your boobs

with an exercise, incline. Incline will lift your boobs more than decline because hitting the upper pecs will cause things to lift up. Doing a decline may actually give you more of a lower, a hanging boob kind of look. If that's what you're looking for, if you're looking for a lift, hit the upper chest. Will it give you a lift?

Maybe a little bit. I don't think it's going to work any miracles, but that's a silly way to sell an exercise too. Find a new chiropractor. Yeah, definitely. It sounds like a guy that you, one of those chiropractors you go in, and every time you go in, you adjust you.

You know, crack crack, you're good. I'll see you next week. Yeah. Don't you find out later? He's kind of a breath of tarion at the same time. Yeah. It's like weird. Next question is from Taylor Baca.

Do you think foods like Halo Top give people an excuse to overeat and create a bad relationship with food? This is a good little debate here. I had Halo Top just two nights ago. Yeah, that's why this is like- Do you like it? I do. I do like it.

It's got a weird taste to it. Yeah, it doesn't taste like good ol' ice cream. No, no. It doesn't taste as good as ice cream. So what's. Yeah, it doesn't taste as good as ice cream. So what's the ingredients in that, the halotops? There's a lot of air. Wow, I think I'm joking. No, no, they do, you can whip.

No, it is. You get a lot of air. Yeah, you can, when you actually, like, like, so one of the ways I let it melt on my tongue, and then you can, it melts weird. Like, it, like, it feels like it dissolves on your tongue. Yeah, I've never had one so I'm curious. Like cotton candy, like a big old piece

Yeah, yeah, it does kind of have that that that that feel to it and that mouth feel when you eat it I mean, it's only like 280 to 320 calories for the whole pint. Yeah, so that so here's the thing God I could I could argue this both ways so I I think on how you It's all right I really it really depends on the person that I'm speaking to and who I'm coaching and their relationship with food. I like halotop. There's two of them in my freezer right now,

two nights ago I had one. I have it in there on nights when I feel like I want I want to treat like ice cream. And it's a better alternative for me than sitting down and having a Ben and Jerry's pint. The same size of Ben and Jerry's is 1500 to 1700 calories. Just a pure, a huge difference. And so, and sometimes I don't even eat all the halo top.

So if I'm eating 140 calories, gives me the mouth feel like I'm eating ice cream. I don't see a major problem. Now I could also make the case on the other side of encouraging these where you eat because it's low calorie and you're juicative. Right, and you eat them every single night, you know? Or you're just feeding the need for hyper-palitability

with your food. You're feeding the need for the pleasure, the hedonistic pleasure that you get from food. There's the breakdown of what's in there. Yeah, it's, I mean, the ingredients aren't bad. No, it's really not. That's why I like them. It's a lesser evil for me.

Yeah. Like, I've admitted on the show many times that I had a sugar and an ice cream addiction for many years. And so it's taken a long time for me to break that. And for a long time, I had nothing at all. And this is kind of my way of. It's like if you're addicted to heroin and then you went to methadone.

You know what I'm saying? Not even if you're methadone at the, you know, shots. It's not as bad. Yeah, you know, like I said, I could argue this both ways, man. I could sleep. I could definitely, I could see, you know, like you said, you're just, you said, you're just,

you are, you're feeding an addiction, you're justifying it. Yeah, like if somebody's got really bad relationship to food, all they value food for is, is it's hedonistic pleasure qualities, which is the, you know, obviously the palatability to taste them, outfielder stuff. And they're like, but I want to lose weight so that what they do is they switch to sugar-free, you know, sodas, they switch to sugar-free sodas, they go to all these diet foods, and when it ends up happening,

they eat less calories, and they may lose weight as a result of that, but they haven't really solved the root cause of their problem. And at some point, here's what happens. At some point, you're gonna keep eating these low sugar, low calorie replacements, and at some point, that's gonna stop satisfying you.

And then you go back to the real deal and because you've never solved the root problem. So it really all depends on how you use the halo top. If you've got good relationship to food and everything's good and you're pretty healthy and you don't have these big issues with food and you wanna have a halo top everyone's well to enjoy the taste. Okay, not a big deal.

But if you're, you know, if you see that there's two types of people that buy these types of foods. One are the hyper focused on their body type individuals. Like your bodybuilders, people who are shredded lean, people who really focused on how they look and so they eat these things to be able to eat localer. The other one, if you, they tend to-

They feel like they're missing out on, like, you know, everybody else is enjoying desserts and they can't anymore, right? And the other one, if you really pay attention, are obese people. So, obese people trying to lose weight by eating all this sugar-free low calorie diet type stuff. So, they're getting the, you know, the lean cuisine meals.

I like that they use real cane sugar in it. Mm- meals. I like that they use real cane sugar in it. Mm hmm. It's, it's, they use real cane sugar in it. Mostly ingredients in it are pretty fricking solid. So, stevia, guar gum, they use, uh, skim. Yeah. That's it. I think all those guys sound so metal. Doesn't it? Well, the band, well, the band guar is amazing. Yeah. Yerith, we all is in there. Vegetable glycerin. I mean, carob gum. It's a lot of things that give it bulk. Yeah. There's like a pre-bout of fiber.

But there's a binders. Yeah, and you can kind of taste it. The urethriol, so I get the one that's coconut milk, so they make a halotop, one that's dairy-free. Yeah. And, but it still bothers my gut a little bit, and I think it's the urethriol. If I, if I, if I,

urethriol, ureth, retol, sorry. Urethriol. If I, if I, Eurythriol, Eurythritol, sorry, Eurythritol. If I push that too hard, that can bother Eetra. Yeah, I can go a little bit. You know, very similar to this, though, like Courtney, I would just have in a conversation about we've been drinking like a truly, or like a white car, or like these,

these alcoholic options that are basically like really low calorie and like little to no sugar like one gram of sugar to maybe three at the most. So in comparison, it's like, it's gotten to a point where it feels like it's sort of free, you know, but like we recognize that right away. We're like, oh, well, you know, this has been like heavier in the rotation because it has that that feeling of like, well, it's less calories, it's less sugar I'm in taking. So you kind of justify, but it's one of those things

we try to check ourselves, you know, even with something like that. I'm very careful on how like I talk about something like this too because like I don't share this on my story. I admit on the show because we're talking about somebody asked a question I would most certainly wouldn't lie about and say, oh no, I don't ever use Halo top like I do, but I also don't promote it. And I don't like fitness professionals that promote

a lot of this stuff. I just don't, I think you need to know your audience better. I think, I think there's less people that would have a good relationship with it and know how to use it, I think, in the smart way. Then there are the other people that would use it as a crutch or abuse it, right? So I am not a fan of... They just don't talk about it right.

They don't talk about it like you're talking about it right now. Like what they'll do is they'll show a halo-type ice cream with like sugar-free, Reese's PCs on it. Big old thing, they'll be like, and then they show the macros, only 300 calories. That's how they promote it. Yes. And I think that you gotta know that who you're talking to, you're talking to a lot

of people who have a bad relationship with food, have food addiction, and you're giving them this excuse of, look, you can still eat all these great things and get it in great shape like me. And it's like, well, you're probably training five to seven days a week hard. You've built all this muscle. You've measured macros for years, and you're probably training five to seven days a week hard, you've built all this muscle, you've measured macros for years, and you're promoting this, your audience does not like that. Your audience is undisciplined,

poor relationship with food, doesn't understand macronutrients or micronutrients very well, and you're basically giving them a green light that hey, you can eat this stuff all the time. It's gonna stack it on top of bad, you know. This is why I didn't like I FYM when it came out. I just, it used to piss me off

when I would see these trainers that would, you know, show themselves shredding a ripped and then they don't post their healthy meals. They post all the shit food. It's like they're bragging. Yeah, it's like, look at me, I can be this ripped. And yeah, that's what people want to hear. Of course they want to hear that.

Because every client that I've ever had, that's what they struggle with is letting go of these foods to hear that. Because every client that I've ever had, that's what they struggle with, is letting go of these foods they're addicted to. And so you're kind of telling them, like, oh, you can still have your addiction and still look good. And it's like, ah, don't think that's the right message

to be sitting to most people. Does that mean that I don't have pizza every once in a while? Does that mean that I don't have a halota? I hope you have shredded. Yeah, we're kind. Yeah, I mean, here's how I do it. Okay, I eat healthy most of the time, and I enjoy it because I've connected food

to other things aside from the, just the flavor, the palatability, the hedonistic pleasures of it. But every once in a while, I like the pleasure of eating food as well. And you know what I do? I eat the real fucking thing. Like if I go to, you know, if I go out, and I'm as well. And you know what I do? I eat the real fucking thing. Like if I go to, you know, if I go out and I'm like,

man, you know what, I want some pizza or I want a burger. I'm not gonna go eat a diet burger or a diet pizza. I'm gonna get the real thing. If I want to have a soda, which I am not a big soda guy, but I will have some soda once a month, maybe once every other month, I'm not a big soda guy. But when I do, I'm gonna get diet, why the fuck am I gonna have some soda once a month, maybe once every other month. I'm not a big soda guy, but when I do, I'm gonna get diet, what the fuck am I gonna have diet?

Let me have the real thing, because the reason why I'm having this and I'm being aware of where is I wanna enjoy it for the flavor of it. So rather than doing the whole fake food type of shit, I see that being something that people inject in their lives every day. So because they have to have something like that

in their lives every day, they go for these diet type foods, which, again, I don't think it's making it work. that people inject in their lives every day. So because they have to have something like that in their lives every day, they go for these diet type foods, which again, I don't think is making it work. Yeah, like, okay, this works now. It's such a low calorie. Okay, I mean, I guess you could do that, but because we're trying to promote the best message,

I'm not gonna communicate it that way. Next question is from Linsor Beth. What are the benefits of massage therapy for training, mentality, and recovery? How often should you get a massage? What kind of massage? And to what to look for in a massage therapist? Sok, Katrina got me.

Yeah, she did. She got you. She got me, man. She has a massage every day, right? She yeah, man. I hope you're giving her a massage just right now, really. Yeah, she actually, you know what's funny right now?

I was just giving her a hard time. She's in this, in between stage where, I can only put so much pressure on her. I can only, she's sensitive. Yeah. Starting to get uncomfortable. Yeah, so I like to lay next to her and I want to put my hand on her belly all the time.

And just the weight of my hand sometimes is uncomfortable for her. So she's kind of like, ugh, it pushes me. And I'm like, uh, it pushes me. And I'm like, fuck, which is funny because I am not the cuddle person. You know she's the one trying to do it. Right, she's always trying to call me and I'm like, uh, space, space.

But now that she's carrying my baby boy in there, like, I took away clothes. Right, right. And I want to hold him, right? So I always want to put my arm on him. And she's always like pushing me away. And I'm like, fuck, man. You know, you're the hell begins.

And she's got like, now she has like, five, what happened to me? Ha ha ha ha ha, you make fun of me all the time. I can't wait. That's all good. The power, that's been switched to the poster. She's got like five pillows now, dude, she's built walls up in shit.

She's just, yes. Yes, it's like fucking, yeah dude, it's like, I gotta try and break through all the time. What about me, baby? What about me, baby? It, look at these things. Yeah, dude, it's like I gotta try and break through. I don't know what I'm gonna have. What about me, baby? Yeah. It's so important to me. Yeah, it's so weird.

It's like, shut up, we'll give you some news. But I tell you, I tell you a lot. It was an air. Man, when she was some of the best I ever felt in my life was training around competitive days. So I was training hard, man. So training really hard, a lot of volume. But I was also getting consistently three, like three times a week I was training hard, man. So training really hard, a lot of volume, but I was also getting consistently three,

like three times a week I was getting a pretty deep tissue massage from her, and boy did it keep me feeling great, man. I, it, for a lot of different reasons I see now too. Like maybe when I first was doing it, it was like this, it was all about the instant relief of like being super Thai, and then that feeling of her rubbing it out, and then like my CNS probably relaxing in that release,

like how good that would feel. But I also feel that the meditative piece of it too, like it's, you know, you're in a quiet room, there's no way paint playing some music, like it was so relaxing for me. I realize now I miss a lot of that in my life on a regular basis. And if you have the luxury or the finances to a forward massage therapist, especially a good one, and when I say a good one, like a lot of people, what do you mean by a good one? Yeah, it makes a big difference. And, you know, I'm definitely a massage snob after having someone like a Trinit Katrina's

family started the first original massage school in the Bay area. They're like the OGs. They are. And so and their her whole family are OGs and they're in there incredibly talented. And she was the one before that I had like sporadically had some massages and I was kind of like, eh, about it. I actually liked Swedish massages. The ones where they barely even get into you and rub you and just never really liked massages. And she would always tell me when she was trying to convince me to get a massage that you need a good one, you haven't had a good one yet, wait until you get one where someone who really understands the body.

And so she really does this incredible job of, and I can feel her doing it now, if she's done it obviously so many times, I can, I'm aware of it. And you can feel her kind of just, she's lightly warming me up, and she's kind of working her way around my body, and she knows the muscle so well that she can feel when it's, when one of them's tight or overactive, and she understands where the origin insertion is, and then also she starts warming that muscle up,

and she gets me to the point where it starts to relax, and then she sinks deeper and deeper and deeper into it, to a point where it'll put me to sleep. Yeah, good massage therapist, no muscles, they know insertions, they know the way that fibers run, they know how muscles are supposed to feel, and they're also very in tune to the unspoken, or unsaid energies that you can receive

from another person. So a lot of times, you know, if you ever walk into a room and you're like, man, it's tense in here. The reason why you feel that tension is there's a lot of cues that your subconscious brain picks up on. The body language happening. There's all this stuff that we don't even,

we can't even describe that you feel and your body makes these and your brain makes these, these decisions. Musa, a good massage therapist is extremely, extremely empathetic, they're an empaths where they could feel energies and they know when they're applying too much pressure, not enough pressure, what you need. And so that makes a really good one.

Massage, one thing that we need to, I think, communicate is the value of human touch also. Oh right, good point. So it's not just the benefit of the massage itself, like the function of the massage and the pressure and all that. That's very therapeutic about that. This has been very documented.

There were some terrible studies at a Soviet Union where they took children. Oh, they neglected kids. Yeah, they had children who from, there was a called orphans, and these babies that were born without parents or whatever. And they did studies where some of the babies, they just fed them, they put a give them a bottle,

and that's it, and then the other babies, they fed them plus the nurses would cuddle with them and play with them and stuff like that. And they just want to see if it made a difference. And the ones that didn't get touched did not thrive. They were ill, they did grow very well. Many of them developed mental issues as a result. Human touch is extremely,

extremely necessary for overall health. And so I think the people who benefit the most from massage are people who are lonely. Like if you don't have, I agree with that. If you don't hug lots of people, if you don't have a lot of close family, if you find yourself to be a little bit of a recluse

or whatever, or you have a difficult time connecting with people, believe it, trust me. And you're probably the person listening, like, I don't like massages, I don't like people touching me. You will benefit the most. Go get a massage, get a good one, where they take your shirt off and you're in your underwear and you can feel their skin on yours.

Yeah, you're vulnerable. Yes, which is, this is all part of the process. I was trying to describe this to one of my clients who was the most tense person ever. I'm like, look, I could spend an entire session on mobility and do whatever I can with you, but you need more. You need more, and so I kept trying to sell this idea of like, yeah, I know it might sound uncomfortable,

but that's why you need it. Like obviously, this is something that is, you didn't receive that or it was like a fear of yours, but really it's gonna make a massive difference and it did. He finally went and it was like game changer. There's a lot of guarding that some people do that has to do with other things.

Like I had a client client I remember very well who I would do when I first started training them every once in a while I'll do an exercise with someone especially corrective movement and I'll notice that their movement patterns are really off And so some of my strategies include very remedial deep tissue work So like I'll place my hands on their traps and press them down or I'll press on remedial deep tissue work. So like, I'll place my hands on their traps and press them down or I'll press on particular areas just to get the CNS to relax.

And then we'll do some stretches. This guy was so sensitive that I literally will place the lightest touch on his traps. And he'd, oh, he'd, yeah, he'd move away from me. Yeah, I had a guy like that. And I was like, whoa, this guy is holding a lot of stress and anxiety in his body. And so I actually bought him a massage

with the massage therapist that I worked with. I had this excellent therapist that used to rent space for me. And so I bought him one and he went in there and she's very good at what she did. Well, after a few sessions, the changes in the way this guy moved were tremendous. And I think it had to do with just human touch.

Now from a purely functional perspective, that deep tissue work, when you press on a muscle real hard, it sends a signal, especially if you do the right way, it sends a signal to the CNS for that muscle to relax. And we do store memories and emotions in our body, 100%. If you got bad news right now, your posture would change,

you'd hold your body different. If you were stressed, if you were happy, if you were whatever, your body changes according to how you feel. And that gets stored oftentimes in your body. So what ends up happening is, let's say you have a lot of stress and you've developed this procedure

where you compartmentalize that stress. So you kind of keep it on the side and you focus on other things. But it's still there. Yes, where else it is in your body. So then next thing you know, at the end of the day, like, fuck my neck is so tight, or why is my shoulder?

That's where we hear things. I draw her. That's where we hear you out. Lock jaw or tension headaches, and you get things like that is absolutely stored. Absolutely, and so a good therapist will do something like, this was my experience, like she would press real hard on me, and then she'd stop, and she'd be like, I need you to breathe while I'm doing this breathe into it

I'm never thinking like breathe into it like my lungs are here. You're pressing on my leg You doesn't make any sense and she explained it to me. She said hold your breath. What happens to the rest of your body? Yeah, you tense up. She's like breathe into it. Let it let it relax and so she kind of coach me through the process So yeah a good massage therapist worth their weight in to coach me through the process. So yeah, a good massage therapist worth their weight in gold and the benefits you'll get from it are better movement, more relaxation. It's great for stress relief. Just overall better health. It's how I survived before mobility really took over my life totally. I now do a lot, a lot of mobility work myself before I was doing a lot of mobility work. Like that was my kind of my bandit.

That and meditation for me. Yeah, just having that space where like, yeah, I was mindless and yeah, it was a great, great addition to that. Next question is from Lauren Stocker. What was your immediate first impression of the other three mind pump partners? Can you think of something they've done since that has solidified that impression or has broken that impression? Well, I'll start with because I think I have. Be honest too.

Yeah. No, not really. I'll start. And I know Justin didn't like me. I have shared. I've shared. So Justin and I go back to the furthest, right? So I've known Justin now for, God, it's been over 10 years now. It's been with 2000 and... Yeah, dude, it has six or seven somewhere on there. So Justin and I have been,

have known each other for a very long time. I hired him at the same time as this kid, Nick Gudgeon. Shout out to Nick, if he listens to his clients, listen, I know he's a great trainer. Well, he doesn't, but he's a cool guy. Yeah, so they came in at the same time. So they were the same hiring class. I got him and Justin.

And my first impression of Justin was, so I always, I had higher guys that, you know, I had a good feeling about their character. But sometimes I didn't, I wouldn't know for sure, is this trainer going to be great? And, but I believed in their character that they could have potential to potentially be good. And that was kind of Justin. Like Justin, when I, my first impression of him, okay, he got, he has this degree,

he's got a good head on his shoulders, I felt he had a good character, he listened well, he was attentive, I saw all these things, but I really actually thought this kid Nick was just gonna, was gonna blow him out of the water because Nick had this natural charisma about him. I probably looked at Nick and thought Nick was more like me and so I naturally kind of thought, oh, this Nick guy is probably gonna get this Justin guy. But then I thought, I knew Justin had a football background. I know he had the athlete in him. I thought, oh, this is gonna be great.

He's gonna compete with him. And if he has a chance or survive at all, this is a perfect environment for the thrive. So my first impression of Justin was, I didn't think he was gonna be as great as what he ended up being. And he ended up being one of my greatest trainers to ever work with me and my assistant for a very long time and ended up complimenting all my skills.

So I definitely underestimated him. And he actually shattered my paradigm on somebody that could be that good, but then not be this like super vocal outgo. Because at that point, the most talented successful trainers that I had met were all very loud and charismatic and outgoing type of personalities. Like I hadn't seen somebody who was a little more conservative, reserved with his personality and quiet about his process, really flourish.

Sure, I've seen them have some success, but I mean, he absolutely ended up flourishing and being one of my best guys for a very long time without those crazy, charismatic person eyes. So he shattered my paradigm, ended up being somebody who was not only my right hand man for many years, ended up being partner with me and friends

and we are here today. My first impression of Sal when I met Sal, Sal was probably exactly what, how I felt. Now, Sal and I have people like Larry, Jason Marcucci, who else is a good mutual friend of ours that we hit, we'd both... A lot of people that were amber or were... Yeah, so we had a lot of mutual friends. Mutual friends that weren't just average people. It wasn't like we just had like a random connection. Like, Jason and Larry are two people that I hold in a very high regard. Like, I

Jason and Larry are two people that I hold in a very high regard. Like I think of them as some of the most talented men that I have ever worked with in my life and known as, and good people, very good people. Jason Marcucci is one of my favorite human beings. Larry Evans is one of my favorite human beings. And they would constantly tell me about this guy, Sal, like, oh, Sal, this, Sal, that, and you guys got to meet, you guys got to meet, you guys are so much alike. And so when Sal and I first met, it was kind of like a booze and buddies that ride right away, you know, I really felt that we, even on, I mean, we really connected on the marijuana level at first because I was in the

middle of, you know, running the cannabis clubs. He was, he was going through all his research with his mother-in-law who had just recently, I think she had just recently passed maybe the year before or so when we first started talking. I had never met another trainer that really understood the health benefits of cannabis and I was just figuring this out at the same time. And then also when he shared the maps in a ball program, I was just kind of figuring out, like this was the way that I should have been training

all of my clients for such a long period of time. And I was kind of just figuring that out for myself. So I really felt like we had so much in so much in common. I mean, we he there was really nothing about Sal that surprised me. He was everything that Jason and Larry had touted him about or touted about him. He ended up exceeding any of those expectations as far as how talented he was. And, you know, so I think just these things that get solidified on a daily daily basis You know, we were talking off air earlier today just He's irreplaceable. There's just this this business doesn't exist

with out-sale being the front man of this business He's he's taken that role and been able to take that role and then and the part that I think that Larry and Jason where they would say he's so much alike and I wasn't sure this was going to be true or not because at this point, I don't know if I've met anybody with as massive an ego as I have

but then also has the ability to push it aside for the greater good. And I really, I have so much admiration for people that have this ability, that have so much confidence that it just bleeds into the room. Everybody knows this dude is so confident, but then also has the awareness to step back and and and not allow that ego to crush the others in the room. And that's been solidified in major ways every day

that this business has continued on. My impression of Doug was exactly what Sal had said to me. I mean, Sal had told me, he says, wait till you meet Doug. The same way I was talking about Justin, Sal was kind of talking about Doug. Like, well, I was constantly saying, wait till you meet, just wait till you meet Justin,

like, you're gonna love him, you're gonna love him, and Sal was saying the same thing about Doug. He's just like, wait till you meet this guy. He's fucking great, he's fucking, and it makes so much sense why this all worked, because I really feel like Doug is what Justin is to me. What Doug is to Sal, Justin is to me, as far as the bond and the relationship that they have formed.

Total different personalities complement each other as far as strengths and weaknesses, extremely confident men, but also have the ability to allow each one to lead and take charge where their strengths are, and just absolutely complement each other. So, you know, and Doug, the things that Sal used to say about Doug, just about his work ethic, man,

there's not a lot of people that I think cannot work me. That's something I take a lot of pride in, and to this day, I will text Doug, when I think I'm being a maniac, at 11 o'clock at night, buried in our shit. And Doug is upright with me, answering or doing something related to the work. And it's just like, I get this big grin on my,

I'm getting emotional, just talking about how funny is this. I get so excited about that because it's such a perfect attribute that he shares to compliment this business. It's like, you've got to have somebody like that. And that doesn't need to be celebrated about it. He doesn't need to be told he's the greatest or he works the hardest and he did a humble. Yeah, it doesn't need to be known as the frontman of the business. It just required that personality to be in a four-way partnership like we have. And he also has exceeded all of my expectations

and completely continues to confirm that he's just a beast behind the scenes. Oh, 100%. I remember when I first met Doug, he was referred to me by Bryce, Chiropractor, who had sent him over because Doug had some back problems. And Bryce had said, hey, go work with this trainer, he can help you out.

And immediately when I met Doug, I loved him. We started talking, Doug had already a pretty deep knowledge of exercise and muscle building told me about the body building magazines that he had read and how he had followed body for life programs and how he he approached fitness in the past. And he had approached it with the available information and he understood it very well. And I had told him, you know, kind of the counter to that. And what really impressed me about Doug was he was open.

You know, he was very open and he was like, okay, that makes sense. Let's give it a shot. And our first workouts were a blast. Doug was just a brilliant, brilliant person to train because he would do what I'd say, but he'd also give me feedback. We laugh like crazy. I have a lot of fun. I remember I was thinking how positive this guy was. And then he would say these, and I'm a big family person,

you guys know this. And Doug would talk about his daughter and the things he was doing with his daughter. And I remember I had so much respect for him. And then and Doug would talk about his daughter and the things he was doing with his daughter. And I remember I had so much respect for him. And then when I found out that, you know, his daughter is not even his biological daughter, but he essentially raises her, regardless like his own, I was just like, floor, like, man, this is a very exceptional, good person.

And Doug was the reason why I created a map of Santa Bulk. 100% he came to me and said, hey, if you have something that you want to put together, I think I can mark it online. He gave me the confidence to do it. He's the initial reason. I mean, I remember when he told me, do you ever thought about doing anything?

I said, well, I think I could write like a guide or maybe a book. And Doug says, no, we want to put you on video. And we want you talking to the camera. I'd never done anything like that. But Doug, he saw something and he gave me the confidence. It was very patient in those first videos we did. When we did those first videos,

they were in my studio and we'd have to do them off hours. No clients were in there. And it would take like two and a half hours to set up. And then it would take us an hour to do a video because we were just figuring things out. And then it would take another hour and a half to tear things down. Never, ever did I ever get an impression from Doug

that he was overworked or stressed out or irritable. In fact, till this day, this is now, I don't know how how long now, Doug's it been at least six, seven years, maybe longer? Yeah, probably since 2012. Yeah, yeah, at least, right? So it's been a while. I have never seen Doug really in a shitty mood ever. It's ever the airport.

I've seen you get angry. Hey, two times the airport. I've seen you get angry. Hey, two times at the airport. Oh, yeah. I've seen no fly worst. I've seen you get angry. That's for sure. But you're always, you're always positive. It's always got this crazy. And even when he's angry, it's about him.

He's mad at himself over something. Super humble. Push the pressure on himself. Oh, I mean, he's, he's, uh, he's pop a smurf. 100%. He's the leader in that regard. He's dad and he, and it it's almost like especially when we first started I know Doug would see and he'd recognize what we were doing and as fucking raw and crude and crazy as we were

He let us do our thing and he's throwing just the right amount of criticism Yeah, it wouldn't have worked with anyone else. We're also headstrong, right? So absolutely perfect and it's been a pleasure the whole time. When I first met Justin, it was at your house, Adam, and we all sat down, and I got more than an impression based off of things he said, it was just off of his energy. And Justin just gave off this very solid vibe.

It was a very, very solid energy. And I remember leaving that day in calling Doug and giving him my rundown of my opinion on everything. And remember saying that about Justin, like, you know, he didn't say a whole lot, but he felt very, very solid. And Adam holds him in very, very high regard. Through the time that we started podcasting, Justin's humor came through immediately. I thought he was hilarious. He's such a perfect balance to Adam and I.

I think without Justin, it would be fucking, we'd piss just everybody off with the podcast, I think. He's the truth. He's definitely the glue and the melody, if you will, of the podcast. He's what makes it all really work together. But the impression that I've developed over this time with Justin, he's easily the most solid, honest person

I've ever met my entire life. He's actually the epitome of integrity. This guy's quietly solid, doesn't boast, doesn't brag. Super consistent and you can bet your ass that Justin's gonna come through and he's gonna be Justin and he's solid as fuck. He's also a phenomenal human being, and I've seen and heard his soft side, and he's a great person,

and I'm a very sentimental person, so I've sent this to him many times. I think later, night to you, everyone's a lot better. I'll send him a text. Here comes Adam. Adam, the first impression I had of Adam was just very dynamic, extremely dynamic individual, had a way with words, very, very intelligent.

I was always impressed initially with Adam's intelligence of how him and I have similar, but very different communication styles, but he's just brilliant with the way he understands how to communicate his ideas and also how to hear what's coming out of someone else's mouth and decipher it and how to feed it back in a way to where people can understand. That was my initial impression and throughout this entire time, I've noticed the leadership qualities Adam possesses. He's definitely the operator of the group. His hands are in everything and he's constantly communicating and touching with each of our

respective staff members and contractors. He he does a phenomenal job at it. And that's just what's consistently been solidified this entire time. Adam and I probably have the most conflict of the group, but I've never felt like it was bad. I've always felt like it was great. If we have an argument or conflict, I always leave and love it. I love it because Adam was saying about the ego,

I don't get that sense from him at all. I don't think he's trying to win an argument at all. I think he's just trying to come up with the best answer. And the amount of respect I have, I don't let anybody yell at me or throw their ideas at me the way that Adam does because of the amount of respect that I have for the guy. Anybody else does that, I'm not going to listen to or tell a shut up, but I respect the guy tremendously.

So, no, it's funny, the first impressions I had from you guys were good that's only gotten better as things have continued on to the point where I have never respected anybody as much as I've respected the people in this room. So yeah, I actually, I didn't, didn't know what to think of everybody. I don't know. I mean, they're quietly skeptical over here.

I'm very much an observer. And so what might feel like quietness is basically me evaluating. And so I pick up on a lot of things. I pick up on mannerisms, I pick up on body language, I pick up on interactions and conversations with other people. And it takes me a long time to warm up to people.

And so that's another part of the process, I think internally where people might have a little bit of a wrong impression in terms of me being introverted. Because it takes a while to get to that level where I feel like trust. I feel like there's this, like, I know you're a good person, so now I can be myself. And you're not like going to take advantage of me or just like people around me or hurt

anybody or like, like, you're a piece of shit. Like I eliminate pieces of shit for my life. Like it's just like, it's this filtration process. And it's really, really funny. And I'm not trying to be mean or like, you know, like everybody except for Doug. Like, Doug just has this way of like, immediately, I mean, he just has this kind of giving kind of energy

and quality about him where he's just like, he's very much leading with his humble foot. And so that was easy for me just in terms of like, it's more like kind of an energy I might put out in terms of like being the back guy, being the guy behind the scenes. Like, you know, that's more familiar to me.

But like, I've hung out with like top athletes, you know, I've hung out with top athletes. I've hung out on teams. I know how the hierarchy's structured together and who is the loudest voice and who is the one that's actually backs their shit up and who's authentic about it. And that's how I look at you guys.

I know that type of personality and I know how strong strong and, you know, what that can do in terms of like getting people to do things and, you know, it can turn, it could turn in a hard right right away and be manipulative and be used for bad purposes. And so, you know, this is, this is one of those things. Like, my initial thought, I'll just start with Adam,

because like, you know, we have the longest history together. You know, coming from different football teams and different, you know, athletic teams and being around different groups of guys who are like, I was always in a friend group of like, you know, four or five guys, whatever. And we would shoot the shit. And Adam was younger.

He's a younger guy and me kind of stepping in and being humble in the fact that I knew I'm like, oh shit, like I know, exercise, I know how to work out. And I thought like I knew everything. And then what I saw and what I was picking up when I first, you know, was interacting and learning about personal training. I was like, wow, I just, I don't know anything. And I don't know anything. And Adam had this charisma about him immediately where I was like, oh no, you know, like maybe

this is one of those situations where it's the young guy who's like, thinks he's hot shit and, you know, just kind of hammers everybody because he's trying to make a point because he's younger, right? Because a lot of times like when you get in a leadership position and you know, some of the younger guys, they try to make a name for themselves by putting people down below them. And that was completely opposite with Adam.

Like I was like very much like, wow, this is different. Like he gives you, he gave me enough autonomy to figure it out and kind of struggle. Like a lot of times a lot of leaders don't let people struggle to figure it out for themselves. All the nuances and all the ways to improve. And if somebody like me really needs that, I need time to figure all this process out and not be hammered the entire way through that I'm doing things wrong.

And I never got that. I thought that it was probably one of the best managed jobs I've ever had. And that's definitely a tribute to the way you lead and your character. And the same thing, with this business, it's kind of a trip. He does all these things and watches how everybody's doing everything, but isn't just hammering everybody all the time for the nuances of this is not happening.

This is not happening, but still keeps the ship tight and going forward. And we need that. We need somebody to help kind of observe from a higher position. And that's solidified his position in this company. That's much needed. And you know, it sounds a very, very similar personality,

very similar. And so again, the same kind of reaction. We joke about it because it was like, oh my God, this guy is like, he's so charismatic. This is the same exact experience I went through with Adam, where I was like, oh, I don't know, man.

You know, like, he seems like a cool guy. Like, you're cool and everything right away. But I was like, I don't know, man. You know, like, he seems like a cool guy. Like, you're cool and everything right away. But I was like, I don't know, man. Like, I thought there might be conflict between Adam and Sal right away as like, as to who has a lot of voice. And it totally flipped me for a loop that Sal was able to also give, wow, lead.

You know, and that just isn't like something you see working a lot. I've seen it in like really top performing teams. And like, and I've seen that dynamic where you have like the star quarterback, you have the star running back together. They both have equal accolades. Like they both like want the Heisman trophy or whatever, but they both have unselfish qualities at the same time.

And, you know, they'll, like, the quarterback will hand off and let the, you know, the running back make a touchdown because that was a substantial, you know, thing that needed to happen in order for the team to win. And so, for me, it's like, and then also just, like, knowing that Sal, like, how he is, how he loves his kids so much. Like I know him and me kind of share that a bit, and which Adam will very soon here, but that is a major tell for me, like in terms of how the character and the integrity

and the people that I want around me, that have that level where they think, and the integrity and the people that I want around me that have that level where they think about how they can do their best for their kids, their family, they're very family oriented, and that's Sal. He's very much like a high character person who does the right thing. And it comes across in all all his actions even if it's

like a difficult thing like divorce like the way he handled that I'm just so impressed like I've never like met anybody that's handled it that way so major major props for that uh but I think I covered everybody I mean Doug for me is um you know like I like you guys already mentioned like I just I've never seen anybody so selfless and so hardworking, like he's literally has set the bar on a new level. I thought I was a hard worker too. Like I was like, this guy is just a machine,

you know, and for all the right reasons, not like that he's obsessed with work. You know, like I've been around people too that I've trained that are like workaholics. And they're there to just live and die by just, you know, and have no relationship with people, and that's all they do. But no, dogs wants to win.

He wants to benefit everybody. He's a real serious team player, and I appreciate the shit out of him. So anyway, that's all of us, right? Excellent. I wanna hear Doug's. Doug, I like hearing Doug. player and I appreciate the shit out of him. So anyway, that's all of us. Excellent. I wanna hear Doug's. Doug, I like hearing Doug.

My perspective. Yeah. Like Sal, I mean, Sal was the first person I had met back in I think 2012 and my first impression of Sal was that he was very conservative and a family man and a very knowledgeable person about fitness and training. So one of the things I do when I say hire somebody for a job is I look at them and say, do they live the part?

And Sal obviously lived the part. I mean, he was fit, he was well put together. And so that gave me a lot of confidence up front. And then as I got to know Sal, I saw this guy. He was very professional in his work. Again, like I said, it seemed very conservative. He talked about his family very much a family man. And I really related to that because I come from a very conservative family-oriented family. And for me, I felt very comfortable in at home. So one of the values that I felt from him was that he was an honest person. And I felt like that would be somebody I could work with.

And as it came to pass, I started to see other aspects of Sal, though I hadn't seen originally. He had a bit of a dark sense of humor. He wasn't as conservative as I thought he was. And I'll be honest, that was a little bit concerning to some degree. It's like, oh, I thought I knew who this guy was. And then I started seeing the other aspects of him and goes, well. You went from Clant to partner.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, maybe he's not the guy I thought he was. But the truth is, I just started to see his personality in his sense of humor and it didn't change the fact that he was, in fact, a very upfront and honest person and somebody that could be trusted. Adam, I met him the same day I met Craig Caperso because Craig was part of the same day I didn't realize that.

Yeah, it was on the same day. And I remember walking behind Craig and Adam, and Adam was right in the peak of his body building or his competing period. And here's this guy, 63. He's massive. And then right next to him is Craig Caperso, who is absolutely massive. So I was walking behind this wall of humans. That was kind of me a little intimidating actually. I'd never been around people like of that size. And then, of course, Adam has this over-the-top personality, very, very larger than life.

A lot of profanity throwing in. And again, coming from a very conservative family is like, I don't know, I mean, it's a little over too much this Use of the f word, etc. etc. over time What I saw was a person that even though he has this huge larger than life personality everything It's a person with a very solid sense of values that I can align with and sense of values that I can align with. And that, to me, is the most important thing you can have as far as friendships and partnerships and that type of thing is you have to align

with your values. I saw that, you know, Adam actually came from a background more similar to mine than different as I would have thought from my first impression that he comes from a very principled and value oriented background. And that's how he does everything in his work through that filter. Justin, I met Justin on that same day. I met Adam and Craig. Justin of course, being more quiet. I didn't have quite an immediate read on Justin, but as he started to pipe up,

I started to hear that he had a bit of this sense of humor that I really appreciate. I like a little bit of a wise-ass, sense of humor. I like people who can be a little bit sarcastic, who can do imitations, that type of thing. All those things I really appreciate, and as time has progressed,

I've really seen just how valuable and integral and essential Justin is to the show. Without his little color commentary and those things put in, it could get really deep into the weeds as far as the content of fitness, et cetera, et cetera, even though both Adam and Sal have amazing sense of humor, Justin really just kind of ties it all together

to make it so that it's really palatable for everybody. And he adds this sense of levity that sometimes we need to get into in the middle of the podcast when we can go really deep on a subject. So that's my overall evaluation of you as individuals, but what I wanted to go back to was this whole concept of our shared values. I've seen this over and over again. I mean, we've had many, many making opportunities come our way that we have all turned down

and there's never been a question about it. And I've had concerns, it's like, well, what if they want to do it? And it really goes against our brand. What am I going to do? How am I going to handle that? Invariably, everybody's in agreement from the moment, the very first moment

that this is something that we shouldn't do. So I've never really had to deal with that type of a challenge before. And something was mentioned earlier too about all the you know the wilds talked that we had in those early episodes And I would every once in a while this kind of chime in it's like maybe we should tone this down just a little bit But again, I didn't want to take away from everybody's personalities and your natural flow So I didn't want to try to create any barriers to that flow.

And I love the way everything has evened out since that point. And I feel like now we're really on a level that I can really align myself with fully. And you can be yourself. So it's been pretty amazing to see how everything is transpired. and just to realize how many similarities we all have and I just feel very fortunate and honored to be in partnership with all of you. Oh, thank you, sir. Appreciate it. To the next 1,000 episodes, huh?

Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, look here, go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all free, they're all extremely valuable. Lots of great information. You can get all of them for free. Again, mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all free, they're all extremely valuable. Lots of great information. You can get all of them for free. Again, mindPumpFree.com and you can also find us on our own individual Instagram pages. My page is MindPumpSal, Justin is MindPump Justin,

Adam is MindPump Adam, and Doug has a page also. He actually documents the growth of the podcast through pictures, it's pretty awesome. You can find that at MindPump.gov. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance,

check out our discounted RGB Superbumble at Mind Pump Media.com. The RGB Superbumble includes maps and a ballad, maps performance, and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs. With detailed workout blueprints in over 200 videos, the RGB Superbundle is like having Sal Adam and Justin as your own personal trainer, but at a fraction of the price.

The RGB Superbundle has a full 30-day money back guarantee and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at MindPumpMedia.com. If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review on iTunes and by introducing MindP pump to your friends and family. We thank you for your support and until next time, this is Mind Pump!