Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1016: How to Get Back on Track After Eating Crap, Adjusting Training Intensity When Sleep Deprived, Advice When Starting a Gym & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Yo, everybody! Yo! In this episode of The Mind Pump, look for the first 30 minutes or so of this episode. We have fun time conversation after that we get into the fitness stuff. But here's what we talked about in that first part of this episode, we have fun time conversation. After that we get into the fitness stuff, but here's what we talked about in that first part of this show. First we started by talking about the future future music. Then we did a little recap of our event here in San Jose meeting our fans

Starting point is 00:00:43 doing a live Q&A, it was freaking awesome. And what was great is we saw several of our fans, like five people, walk up to us and they were wearing Viori clothing, which was kind of cool. Viori pasta. Now Viori is one of our sponsors. They make the best act of where you'll find anywhere on planet earth. If you go to Viori clothing, V V-U-O-R-I, clothing.com for a Sash Mind Pump and use the code that's listed on the page,

Starting point is 00:01:10 you'll get 25% off. Also, by the way, we're going to be doing another live event, May 10th at 6 p.m. in Encinitas, California. This is a Viori sponsored event. You won't want to miss it. I don't know how many seats are left. I think there's only a dozen left. Here's what you got to do. Go to mindpumpalive.com and get yourself a spot. It's for cool kids only. Then we give a little Easter recap.

Starting point is 00:01:34 We all had a great Easter bunny. It was nice to us and our children. And Justin was very healthy with his kids. Yeah. He gave them skinny dipped almonds as treats. This is a great, great treat for people to enjoy healthy macros. A little trick of the trade there, right?

Starting point is 00:01:48 That's it. If you go to skinnydipped.com-flour-slash-mind-pump and enter the code, mind-pump, you'll get 20% off, excuse me, your skinny dipped order. Then we talked about Elizabeth Warren's new unicorn magic plan for, I was trying to run for a comment. Sounds fantastical. Apparently she's promising everything.

Starting point is 00:02:06 San Francisco's IPOs and real estate, there's gonna be a lot of IPOs going on, a lot of millionaires being made overnight soon. We talk about how Yahoo got sued for $5 million. We talk about Game Boy. Remember that thing back in the day? And then we talked about the San Jose Sharks. I think they do lacrosse. Is that lacrosse? I mean, very close. Sports ball. One of those things. Then we get to the

Starting point is 00:02:29 fitness part of this episode. The first fitness question was, how do you rebound after a day of eating like crap? What's the best strategy? Next question, if your life makes it really, really hard to get adequate sleep, should you lower the training intensity of your workouts? Next question. What is the question that annoys us the most that people ask us all the time? We are very patient people, but sometimes we do get annoyed. And the final question that they annoy it sound. Yeah. And the final question, what's the most important piece of advice we would give someone who's about to open up their own gem? Don't do it.

Starting point is 00:03:11 Also, guess what? We got a new map program, baby. Ha! Brand new maps program launched right now. It is live. It is the biggest, it's the baddest ever now this program is for advanced hard core lifters if you love working out if you want to see what your potential is really at like the few of the squeeze out every little ounce of results at your body the mount Everest

Starting point is 00:03:37 of our programs and everybody and you've already followed maps aesthetic you followed maps split you can handle a lot of volume and a lot of frequency, do this program, it's called maps, P-E-D, P-E-D stands for performance enhancing design. Don't get excited, design. This program is a classic double split routine. You're working out a lot in the gym, you are sculpting and shaping your body like a maniac.

Starting point is 00:04:03 You're getting after it. If you're one of those crazy fitness fanatics who has great recovery ability and you are sculpting and shaping your body like a maniac, you're getting after it. If you're one of those crazy fitness fanatics who has great recovery ability and you are advanced, try this program out and see what it can do for you. Now the launch is right now, which means it's on sale, it's $60 off. Here's what you do if you want this program. Go to maps. PED.com. Use the code PED60 for the discount.

Starting point is 00:04:26 You gotta do this soon because this promotion will end Sunday the 28th. So Sunday the 28th, the promotion's over. Again, maps, PED, use the code PED60 for this brand new map program for advanced lifters only. Go check it out. Yeah!

Starting point is 00:04:43 Teacher time! And it's T-shirt time! Oh, shit! Lifters only go check it out Teacher And it's t-shirt time. Oh Shit, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the For iTunes, we have Matt Burton 55, Forza Fitness, Becca 8, 45 Cal Gal for Facebook, Sean Poliquin, Jennifer Bell, Austin Swift, Brandon Aboug, Jason Cochran, Brandon Melanson, and Maddie Muroka. All of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com send your shirt size, your shipping address,

Starting point is 00:05:30 and we'll get that right out to you. Get some easier names, fuck. Geez. Do you guys remember that TV show on, I don't remember what channel was on, but we were kids and it was called, but when we were kids there was only UHF VHF channel two channel six Channel 10 channel cable

Starting point is 00:05:52 Kable back yeah, we're little kids. Yeah, that was that cable we were kids when we were little little kids Kable can't when did when did calm cast come around? I don't even know bro. That was not until later did Comcast come around. I don't even know. Bro, that was not until later. When we were really young, really young. Cable was out, bro. I don't know how long ago to talk about one. Yeah, I'm talking really young.

Starting point is 00:06:12 No, no, cable was out afterwards. We were in our like, we were like 10, maybe even before that. Remember, okay, so MTV came out in 1981. 81. 83 or 82? 81. Is it 81? Yeah, MTV.

Starting point is 00:06:28 Well, yeah, because of the 70s, I remember they had all those slides. What do you mean you remember? I mean, I remember that they had shows back then, not that I actually saw them like real time. MTV was a sperm. I mean, I was MTV lost. I was there. August 1st, 1981.

Starting point is 00:06:41 Okay. So when they came out, one of the big pushes was to get your cable company to have MTV, because MTV was not available through the, what is it called? Basic antenna. Broadcast or whatever. Yeah, basic antenna stuff. It was, it was only, and so remember how they came out with that. I want my, that came out because of that.

Starting point is 00:07:03 I want my MTV. Anyway, I don't remember the,'s gonna lose on that song that for I'm gonna die or I'm gonna come on I knew you were like I love that video I'm not bad that was a great video so anyway um what does this say oh yeah there was a TV show called beyond 2000 you guys remember the show no oh it was all about the future and it was all about what it would be like beyond the year 2000. Yeah, 2000. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:07:29 So then we got older and we actually saw the year 2000, I was like, they lied. Yeah, they didn't know anything. Nothing. It wasn't accurate at all. No, it was, it was all like way out there shit. Like they were doing like beyond 20,000 is what they should have called the show.

Starting point is 00:07:45 I was expecting to have a little pellet thing that you put in some crazy microwave and then also you have a big turkey dinner, right? That was like the big thing on the Jetsons and back to the future. I think back to the future did a pretty good job. They got some of it. Really? We're not flying cars. We don't have any like inflatable outfits. One thing they had right with the TV, the TV phone. What are the guys talking on the TV phone, the the screen being able to pop up on like, oh, that remember that advertisement of the shark that was like a hologram that came and tried to eat you. Yeah, they actually have that

Starting point is 00:08:20 stuff like that. I mean, we are doing like, I mean, we don't see the hoverboards like kids skateboarding around on them But I mean the the invention of hoverboards and we're trying to get these flying taxis like I don't know the Those Nike shoes came out those were like released in the massive. You know what I was reading about? I mean fashion wise. It is speaking of which they're pretty good job You know what I was reading about speaking of the future, they're, because you know, the self-driving and these kind of autonomous transportation vehicles, that's going to be a massive thing in the future, right? So there's this company that's creating these helicopters

Starting point is 00:08:57 that are autonomous, that they're going to use for passengers. So you'll get in this helicopter and it'll drive you. That's not scary. But here's the problem. The problem is testing them. You have to have clearance from the, who covers the air, FAFA, FAA. So you know what they did? They bought a mine so that because a mine is under, it's like, it's like, stuck down. So you're flying them underground? Not underground. They're, the below, below ground level.

Starting point is 00:09:23 So they don't have to get regulated by the FAAA. So you can go there and see them test them and stuff in this underground, underground, but Doug, I knew what you're saying. Yeah, Doug out. Brilliant. That is brilliant. Brilliant. Who's doing that?

Starting point is 00:09:37 What company? I don't remember. I don't remember at all. Would you guys think of the event this weekend? That was great. I love these live events that we do when we meet people. They have fun. They're really, really fun.

Starting point is 00:09:47 And the big thing about it is, because now we don't really train people too much, I might do a little bit of online coaching, and I know you guys, once we're out of train people, but it's not the same, right? When we meet people, I feel like it keeps us grounded and it reminds us what we're doing and why we're doing what we're doing, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:10:04 Otherwise, you don't see people. Well, and it reminds us what we're doing and why we're doing what we're doing, you know what I mean? Otherwise you don't see people. Well, and it's always feedback too, that I guess you don't really consider as much. We think that all the value is from very specific things on the show, and they're always presenting little anecdotes or things that we've brought to the show that impact them even more. And that's always surprising to me and cool

Starting point is 00:10:22 to listen to people's stories of how they found us and all that kind of stuff. No, it was, I love them so much. I love meeting these people hearing their stories. You know, a lot of people, you know what else is kind of cool. I met quite a few people where the girlfriend got the boyfriend to listen, which I thought was kind of cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I got my boyfriend. And then there was one young lady who came up and said that she took this personal training course, this very extensive personal training course, and her instructor was constantly referencing Mind Pump. Wow.

Starting point is 00:10:55 Which is so rad to have a professor using our show. I've actually looked at it a few times now. That's cool. That's really cool. I mean, I'm all for it, but yeah. We're not like super academic friendly. No. No.

Starting point is 00:11:08 No, I would love to sit in on that class and like, you know, have them start like throwing out references from the show. Probably a little flutter teacher. Yeah, right? Would you? Yeah, just don't get anything wrong. I wouldn't fall asleep in that class, you know.

Starting point is 00:11:21 He's got that going for me. Did you see that there was a handful of people, at least a handful of people, that were wearing Justin's uniform? Oh, yeah, dude. It's Dory. Yeah, they were wearing flannels and then also the Chino pants.

Starting point is 00:11:36 I, one of the guys came up and it was like, had to show me. He's like, dude, I love these pants. He takes for recommending these. And I'm like, it was so great. We had like a 10 minute conversation about chino pants. Yeah, one guy came up to me and he had a, a Viori, like what I'm wearing right now.

Starting point is 00:11:53 What is this like a hoodie jacket or whatever? Is it about hoodie? Yeah, and he's like, dude, we got the same hoodies. And I was like, we're buddies now. Yeah. We hugged. It was really cool. What I'm life changing, I could do exercise in these things.

Starting point is 00:12:04 You know, I'm kind of active. Well, I'm learning about like Viori and like the way it's, it's funny because you know, every week I get to meet with Rachel and she kind of reports back on how sponsorships are doing in our relationship with all of our partners. And Viori of all of our sponsors have been like the, the one that's been like this consistent like climb. Like most sponsorships we tend to like come out, a lot of people get it,

Starting point is 00:12:27 and then it just kind of stays kind of flatlining consistent. Viori has been like this consistent ramping up. And I think that's because of like at first, I think because it's, you know, the act, it's not cheap active where it's not like, you can get a lot of stuff for a lot cheaper, but once people buy it and then they wear it, then they realize how dope it is,

Starting point is 00:12:44 which reminds me of like when Lulu first came on the once people buy it and then they wear it, then they realize how dope it is, which reminds me of like when Lulu first came on the scene, when you first up people were like, this is ridiculous, $100 for stretchy pants, or yoga pants, I'll never pay that. And then you put them on, you're like, oh fuck. Well then yeah, and you look around,

Starting point is 00:12:56 you wear the other competitors version of it, and you're just like, oh, it's just garbage. And it's like, no wonder it's like, it's the quality. Well, I hate sweats now. I hate my old sweats. I got like four pairs of old sweats I threw away. I put them on, I's like, it's the quality. I hate sweats now. I hate my old sweats. I got like four pairs of old sweats I threw away. I put them on and I'm like, what? Yeah, if you were on the day.

Starting point is 00:13:09 This feels like garbage. So yeah, I love the event. I thought the event was awesome. I thought it was a great time. I mean, it's nice to do something in our hometown. We rarely, we rarely ever do our hometown. So it was cool to do something here. Someone gave us weed. Someone in the audience.

Starting point is 00:13:26 Because it was 420, right? So it was, you know, which is like a little stocking with like weed leafs on it. Yeah. It's a national weed holiday. And which by the way, before the event, I went to the dispensary because I'm like, oh, this would be cool. If I get like some real mild edibles for the fellas. Yeah. And I go over to the dispenser I like to go over here

Starting point is 00:13:46 in San Jose, airfield supply, and they open at 9 a.m. So I'm like, I'll get there like 8.50. I'll be the first person like nobody, like, stoners don't wake up early. Yeah. Bullshit. Never happens. Bullshit.

Starting point is 00:13:59 Line around the block. They do on 9 a.m. bro, they do on their national holiday. Yeah. So they got a lot of plans that day. That's the only day out of the year they got like plans. Yeah. There's a whole kinds of stereotypes against donors. Like they lazy, no, that would motherfuckers woke up

Starting point is 00:14:12 hell early and they're in junior. They had a bunch of free-dose just being past, you know, in the crowd. Oh, I told the whole crowd that too. As I walked up, I'm like, this is, yeah, you fucking stoners wake up early, don't you? When you want to and everybody start cracking up. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:24 It's hilarious. And then the ingenuity of stoners also, like you give them, we don't have anything to smoke this weed out of. Don't worry. I'll figure it out. I got an apple. Yeah, mixing, you know, give me your sneaker. And they got their. Well, we're running back to another guyver. We're not even let what two weeks away or a little over two weeks, two, three weeks away from the next event already. So yeah, May 10th.

Starting point is 00:14:44 Yeah, we head down to Southern California now. So in Sanita, where we're heading down to. In Sanitas at the Viori. Have you guys remember in Sanitas last time? Great town. Great little town. By the way, if you want to sign up for that, it's the 10th. It's May 10th at 6 p.m.

Starting point is 00:14:59 You got to go to mindpumpalive.com. I want to make sure I say that. I believe they always throw some kind of discount there on the clothes as we go down and do those events. But great town. I don to make sure I say that. I believe they always throw some kind of discount there on the clothes as you know we go down and do those events. But great town. I don't know if you guys knew this, but I actually ran a gym in insinitas for one month. Do you guys know this?

Starting point is 00:15:13 I did. Yeah. So for one month. So when I worked for 24 hour fitness, there's two stints that I did at 24 hour. So the first time I worked there, that's when I was really young. Then I laughed, just stintin'. Yeah, and then I laughed and I had a gym, a partnership down in Palm, the Palm Desert area,

Starting point is 00:15:33 Palm Springs Palm Desert area. Then I decided I wanted to go back to working for 24-hour fitness and the, the, the, the, the, the visual president and the VP of Southern california cuz i was already down there they said hey we're grand opening this club i forgot where it was it was a was a brand new location i was grand opening and they said it's not ready

Starting point is 00:15:55 but we want you to grand open this club and we'll put you in the meantime will just put you in a jam so that you know you can wait for this club to open and you're gonna get this big club and so the club that they put me in was Encinitas. So I, and it's, it was a tiny little 24-hour fitness. It's probably still there. Tiny little location, great town, beach town.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Awesome little place, a small club though. So I ran that for a month, but then the, the, the divisional present up in Northern California, my family's up there. And they were like, hey, we heard you coming back. You know, we'll give you, we'll have you re-grand open Hillsdale or whatever, and so that's why I came back to NorCal. But yeah, I ran a little club in Anson East for the one.

Starting point is 00:16:31 I love that town, I fell in love with the people and it's nice little surfer, kind of cool little town. I didn't realize you did that before you came out to NorCal. Yeah, that's a great, great. What did you guys do for Easter with your kids? Do you guys do Easter baskets and hunt eggs? Like, what's the, what's the, what's the get down for your family? Yeah, my kids actually, because we're doing the event, went with my parents to like have like an Easter egg hunt and all that with my brother and his kids. And then

Starting point is 00:16:54 we did that again on Sunday. And so Courtney and I like do this whole thing where I actually was, I was, I went a little creative and was drawing all these pictures of Easter bunnies, eggs, all that stuff, and made a card for them from the Easter bunny. And then we riddled the house with all these different like eggs and then the skinny dip. All men's actually we put in there and then M&Ms and things like that.

Starting point is 00:17:19 Oh, skinny dipped almonds, that's a great idea for the kids. Yeah, well it's like you got it anyway. So you did the plastic eggs. Yeah, okay, it's like you got it anyway. So you did like the plastic eggs. Yeah. Okay. And the plastic as you put those in there. No, a real chicken egg. Yeah. Actually, we should have thrown some of those in the mix,

Starting point is 00:17:32 you know, just throw them off. Yeah. What the hell? Hey, eat it. Smashes. Do you guys, so the Easter Bunny brings presents in the morning? Yeah, I mean, it's just like, yeah,

Starting point is 00:17:43 it's just the house is riddled with, you know, the eggs and like candy and all this random like, plastic toy stuff that, you know, we find. So to find, do you guys do like an actual basket where you put candy and stuff in for the kids? Or no, I just, I just put it all over the house, so they have to go find it all. Yeah, that's the move.

Starting point is 00:18:01 Yeah, I do, so I didn't have my kids this Easter, this Easter, they were with their mom, but yeah, normally we do the whole Easter basket thing, but we went up to Roseville to my aunt's house with my whole family over there and there were a few kids there so they did the whole Easter. I still get Easter basket, Easter baskets for my Godparents. So I don't know how you guys do. You do? Yeah, I do.

Starting point is 00:18:23 Yes. Every year my Godparents give me an Easter basket. And there's candy in there. I suppose your eyes are good. Just like pure joy. Like, gil. Well, so you know what's funny. It's like I hate it.

Starting point is 00:18:32 So when I was younger, I really loved gummy. They're called peachy oes. And they're like these little circular gummy candies with like sprinkled sugar on them. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, sour, but sweet. Yeah, and so every Easter, my God parents give me peachy-os with a chocolate bunny,

Starting point is 00:18:52 and then like a book or something. My Godfather is like, he's super, he's the herbalist that I talk about sometimes. So he's Chinese medicine, and he's super into like that as a taric stuff. So inevitably I'll get some kind of book that's like about the, like the, you know, balancing your Chi or into like that as a tariff stuff. So inevitably I'll get some kind of book that's like about the, like the balancing your Chi or something like that.

Starting point is 00:19:09 He's like, I thought for sure you guys would have been all over the skinny dip thalmin thing. I thought for sure that would be like a staple thing in everybody's. No, that would be a little hand. Yeah, if you get the small packs, it's cool because you get like all the different

Starting point is 00:19:21 variety of colors. So you kind of just like, that's why I thought alternating it. I thought for sure that would have been something you guys would have done. No, that's my go to treatment though for the kids because it's it's all men. I'm in a last minute thought. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:32 She's just like, did you see how Rachel got April Fools? She did the she thought that the so all almost many almonds were real. Yeah, they did these for skinny dip did a post on April Fools. So, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all mini trees. Yeah, I'm like, I don't know if that's real. Is that true? And she's like, oh shit, they posted this on April Fool's. She should have played along, but like, well, they picked them before they're mature. That's why they're so small.

Starting point is 00:20:11 Well, I wasn't sure. Because it was Leprecon's. Yeah, it wasn't like it was April first when she was showing me. She was just showing me this the other day. So I was like, I didn't know, I was like, but that's fucking weird. Like I've never seen many almonds like that.

Starting point is 00:20:23 Do you guys, have you guys been eating all the new one that what is it the chocolate mint? Oh, that's my favorite. Is that your favorite? I still like the raffle. I don't like that, yeah. Her favorite's the espresso one. Mine's definitely the mint.

Starting point is 00:20:34 The what's, which one? The espresso? Or espresso? I say espresso. I'm just keep saying it. Just Adam owns library. I'm gonna own espresso. Yeah, that's it right there.

Starting point is 00:20:42 Oh, you know what I did do? I went to church Easter morning. Did you guys do that at all? No. I, that's it right there. Oh, you know what I did do? Express, I went to church Easter morning. Did you guys do that at all? No. I was a heathen this year. This is the first year and probably, I'm actually, I think my mom's mad. I usually do.

Starting point is 00:20:52 I didn't hear from my mom at all. So I think she's mad at me because this is the first Easter Sunday that I wasn't in church with my mom. Did you get to use a heathen? Heathen a jean! That's like my favorite part. So, no, you know what?

Starting point is 00:21:06 So, I went to this church and, you know, it's been dabbling, right? Been going on and off or whatever. And the sermon or whatever. I don't know what do you call it when the guy up there is talking? Is that a sermon? Yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:21:19 So, he's talking and he talked about, he was talking about addiction and he said something that I thought was brilliant. He said that I saw you put that on your sister. Yeah, he said that addiction is a spiritual, addiction comes from a spiritual deficiency. And I thought, wow, that's really interesting. And the way they talk about it, because this by the way, this is not just a Christian thing, because the Christians talk about this in the Beatitudes,

Starting point is 00:21:46 you know, what they call it, the Blessed, or the poor in spirit and the meek. And that's all about detachment. Like, you know, it's not that they value people who are poor and that if you're rich or bad, it's that people who are not attached in worship material things, that's what makes you blessed. Or, you know, people who suffer, it's not that you're,

Starting point is 00:22:04 that it's good to suffer, it's that you're not attached to good feelings and that you worship good feelings all the time. And other spiritual practices talk about detachment all the time. And what he said was is how when people feel avoid in their spiritual selves, that they try to fill it with material things.

Starting point is 00:22:24 And what ends up happening, it's like drinking salt water. It's like your thirsty, and then you drink salt water, which only makes you more thirsty. And so you want more and more and more and it creates this addictive kind of cycle. So when I got home, I was like, wow, that's really interesting. I thought I was thinking a lot about this. And I started looking up research on protocols.

Starting point is 00:22:43 And I did not know this. I had no idea, and I'm sure you guys know,. And I did not know this. I had no idea, and I'm sure you guys know, but AA or whatever, that's got a very strong spiritual component. You guys know that? I had no idea. Yeah, like the 12 steps.

Starting point is 00:22:54 I had no idea that that was a big part of it. And so when I did that post on my story, I actually put that quote and I said, do you think addiction is a spiritual deficiency? I had a bunch of people who had gone through AA and said, oh yeah, they said, do you think addiction is a spiritual deficiency? I had a bunch of people who had gone through AA and said, oh yeah, they said, when I filled that part, that's really what helped me get off alcohol. I also think this is part of what actually,

Starting point is 00:23:16 this is part of, this is something I don't like about religion too though, is what ends up happening, is it tends to attract a lot of people who have addiction in their life and they go from being radical on one side to radical on the opposite side because they were saved. And I feel that there's more of a happy medium there. And so the average person gets these extreme people, these people that were addicted to these things and then they get quote unquote saved. And then they're on the other side of it, but then they just, they

Starting point is 00:23:49 pour everything into the religion and become very dogmatic about it. I could see that. And that's, that's a, I would say when I, and in my experience, right? So I'm being very general right now. And I'm probably offending a ton of people. But in my experience of all the churches and stuff that I was a part of as a kid, this is kind of what I felt. I mean, I felt like there was a very small percentage of people that I thought were very level-headed that came from really good backgrounds. And then the most radical and the most religious or most dogmatic people had these crazy backgrounds

Starting point is 00:24:22 of addiction or something that they battle with. They found religion. It saved them from all of that. Then that became everything. And then that became everything for them. And then they became almost like their new addiction. And so, Yeah, with a Paul Chekk call, spiritual righteousness,

Starting point is 00:24:35 and they start doing that where it's like, I'm right, you're wrong. Right, right, you become this, you do, you start to evangelize so hard that it's like you're the other extremists. And I think it really gives religion a bad rap. I think that's what when I think of like some of my friends that are atheist or completely like anti-church or anything spiritual at all, they they connect it to those types of

Starting point is 00:25:00 people that are the Bible thumping, Bible thumpers. You know it reminds me of fortunate. It reminds me of like the guy who gets into lifting weights and then starts getting super fanatical and dogmatic about it and then needs to wear the gear that says like bodybuilding.com, you know, the skinny straps on the shirt and the lifting shoes or the guy who just starts to do do you want everybody to know your team?

Starting point is 00:25:23 Yeah, but they identify so strongly with it that they shoot, they kind of shut everybody out type of deal. And I feel like it can happen with that. Well, that's another good example. Like, yeah, absolutely. I think there's people that fall into fitness or exercise and it saves their life. It changes them from obesity or it becomes their religion.

Starting point is 00:25:42 And then it becomes their religion, right? Where they're going around and pushing everybody on it. So yeah, you see that a lot. I think it's unfortunate, because I think there's... It tons a great value from both those things we're talking about, both exercise and fitness, and then both also spirituality or... I just thought it was really interesting, because then it brought me down this rabbit hole of, you know, looking at different spiritual practices. And it's funny when you look at the major ones, there's a lot of similarities in their

Starting point is 00:26:10 wisdom, a lot of similarities. And one constant is detachment from material things, not shunning material things, not saying it's bad, but not worshipping material things. And it's almost like the worshipping of material things is part of that addictive cycle where you are addicted to pleasure, to power or money or honor or whatever. The hard part of that is really is in defining what worship is, right? Or what that looks like because you that could be a whole host of things. When you say that word like worship, I think people think right away like, oh, I'm like, I don't like, I don't worship my car, I don't worship my things.

Starting point is 00:26:48 I think it just becomes your priority. That's your worship. It's like the top of your hierarchy. You know, like the most important thing to me is being successful. So that's what I'm going to worship. Or the most important thing to me is my honor or power. You have a lot of power, hungry people who just, you know, politicians, for example, they'll do anything just to be, they'll say anything just to get elected because they want that power. In fact, that brings me to the next wonderful subject. Did you guys see Elizabeth Warren's new plan that she's putting out? No.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Try and get elected. No, please. Boy, they are scrambling. Scrambling. So her new plan is she's going to erase student loan debt. Oh, yeah, I don't know. She was magic like wow like forgive it like some of the people with the home loans and stuff. Dude Ali Kazam. There is no such thing by the way is a racing debt Somebody's got a paper that and it's not gonna be the people whose debt it. And if you did try to erase it and let's say you did do that,

Starting point is 00:27:46 like we're not doing anything but you don't have to pay it back, economic calamity. But the reason why they're doing this is because they're scrambling because I think they're looking at the current state of affairs and they're like how the hell are we gonna get elected? The economy's doing really well. This is, we need to be promising a lot of free shit. And so her plan is, I'm gonna,

Starting point is 00:28:07 so get her to that young vote. Scary opponents. It's gonna attract a lot of young kids today. Exactly. A lot of young people that came out of college with that. Oh, hell yeah, I don't wanna pay for mine. Dude, awesome. What's it?

Starting point is 00:28:16 It's probably a pretty smart strategy for somebody who's trying to. One trillion dollars in student debt. You can't erase that. If you did, if you did, you would cause a massive economic calamity. What was with the housing crisis? What was the debt added up to with the housing crisis? I don't remember. You don't know what the loans were? No. I think it was up there with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's up there with that. But what did

Starting point is 00:28:39 they do with the home loan stuff? Is we all paid? Well, no, it didn't forgave. We all paid for it. It came out of something. Well, yeah, I mean, but they're trying to set up the same process, right? It'll go to, and it arguably nailed the banks out. Yeah, that's right. That's who ends up getting bailed out. That's who, yeah, had nothing like, no repercussions was the banks.

Starting point is 00:28:58 Right, so it'll probably happen behind the scenes is, these places that gave out these loans are gonna get money from the government to forgive these students. Not the taxpayers, we just pay more money. Yeah, and that's the thing, taxpayer. And what it's going to do is going to raise the cost. It'll just raise the cost of college because if you know you can buy something, get a loan for it and not have to pay that loan, what do you think everybody's going to do?

Starting point is 00:29:24 Imagine if you could do that with car loans. Let's just talk about something else for example. Imagine if you could get a car loan and then get it forgiven, quote unquote. Would anybody buy a freaking condom? It's like when you're kid and you write a IOU on there like you put that piece of paper in place of it of real money.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Well, I got something crazy since we're talking about economics in real estate. I got something cool for you guys. You know that we are about to see the most and the biggest IPOs from a single area ever launched at one time. So San Francisco is going to have been hit. These first two quarters, they're going to see lift, Pinterest, Airbnb, Instacart, Postmates, Uber, and Slack, all hitting IPOs.

Starting point is 00:30:08 Wow, once. Now check this out. So, they say 51% of homes in San Francisco are owned by successful tech employees. The biggest tech boom at once in San Francisco history is about to happen. They predict 5,000 new homes to be bought in San Francisco and over 1,000 of those being three million plus dollar homes.

Starting point is 00:30:28 Oh my God. Isn't that crazy? Do you know how many millionaires those IPOs are gonna create overnight? That's one of the houses left, I swear. I think everything up there is. I think Uber alone, their IPO alone is gonna create something like 5,000 millionaires,

Starting point is 00:30:40 something like that, like right away. Is that true? Yes. My cousin was actually talking to me about, so half my family does his investments and he was explaining this to me. So I mean, maybe it's a good idea to buy real estate right now to prep, right?

Starting point is 00:30:54 I mean, if you're getting quick, this is all gonna happen, this is like here. It's like, this is happening in the next few days that some of these are dropping and happening over the next couple of months. They got to figure something out there. Yeah, because it's impossible to live in the Bay Area as it is. I know.

Starting point is 00:31:08 Yeah, like you could get any more expensive to live in San Francisco. Can you imagine now like, oh man. It's about what it would be to rent even a place up there. Like it's probably my cousin just got an apartment. 700 square foot to bedroom, in San Francisco. 700 feet. 700 square feet. That's nothing.

Starting point is 00:31:28 Two bedroom. Yeah, that's nothing, bro. That's not even, I mean, it's a tiny little place. Four grand. Four grand a month. Yeah. And that's a good deal. Just to be there.

Starting point is 00:31:36 And you got a good deal. It's like a bedroom. Yeah. Yeah. That's really good. You know what I'm saying? That's going to be crazy. Yahoo, get sued for $5 million.

Starting point is 00:31:44 Check this out. So you guys know that. I think crazy. Yahoo gets sued for $5 million. Check this out. So you guys know that even Yahoo existed still. Really? I know. Who goes on there? Yahoo news, they're still, they're not like a fucking crazy force, but they're still a bajillion dollar company. The original, the Yahoo, the Yodelar, so check this out.

Starting point is 00:32:06 When they were a startup is when they had that done, they found this kid or this guy that was a Yodler, right? And they paid him 560 bucks for that Yodl. And the deal was like they are using it for like, I forget what it was, it was like, they were launching something and they wanted this Yahoo Yododel and they paid him his 560 bucks for that. Well, they go on to use that Yodel on, you know, the easy button, they use it for that. They use it. It was, so years go by, he hears his Yodel on a super bowl commercial for Yahoo and that triggers him to be like,

Starting point is 00:32:43 what the fuck? And starts doing his research on it. They've been using it for all these things, goes back and he's suing them for five million dollars. How can he sue them? I'm sure they bought it, right? Then they pay him for it. They did pay him for it, but what he's claiming is that it was for this one project and they went on to use it and they kept using it for all these other things and monetize.

Starting point is 00:33:05 You guys became successful, therefore, it's all because of my yodel. Therefore pay me five million. When I hear stuff like that, right, so I'm curious to how, where you guys stand, because I do too, I think that. Bro, you just literally yodled something. Right.

Starting point is 00:33:18 How valuable is that? I agree. So I tend to lean towards defending the company here. Like, you know, especially's, that's really. Especially being a startup company ourselves. And if like we did something, we could have paid anybody to do that. And they paid him to do that.

Starting point is 00:33:31 Right. You're just salty because it's all over the place. Right, that's it. 100% right. Unless it was specifically in the agreement that it said, you know, we will never use it. You can only use it for this one. But guarantee you, he's like, fuck yeah, here you go.

Starting point is 00:33:45 I'll do this 500 bucks, no problem. Yeah, and he does this thing. Full of shit. Yeah. You know what, you know why he thinks, you know why he's doing this? I guarantee it's because $5 million is nothing for Yahoo. It'll look bad if Yahoo doesn't settle.

Starting point is 00:33:59 They won't pay him five. They settled, see? They settled for a few million. It's undisclosed. He had a sign and an undisclosure so we don't know the exact amount, but from the response, it's because the negative press alone would have hurt them.

Starting point is 00:34:11 Right. You know what I'm saying? So he did. He didn't get his full five new clogs. You know, really bad. Yeah. He didn't get his full five million, but he definitely got hooked up big time.

Starting point is 00:34:20 He made it in the millions for it for doing that. Probably what a strategy was to you. You're probably exactly right. So I was that he really didn't probably have much leg to stand on, but because it was a compelling enough story, they didn't want everybody to felt bad for him. And it would have been bad publicity. So they're like, fuck it. You know, give him, give him 1.5 or 2 million. Tell me you get the fuck out of here with this. That's ridiculous. That's, so you know, was it Facebook or Google? I think it might have been Facebook.

Starting point is 00:34:47 One of those two, this one dude painted one of their murals when they were started. Was it Facebook? Yeah. He painted one of their murals and they didn't really have any money to pay him. So they said, we'll give you shares if you want or we'll pay you like a thousand or they were going to offer him to like a thousand bucks or two thousand. A good gillillion here now. Yeah, and he was smart enough to be like,

Starting point is 00:35:07 you know what, just give me the shares, it's all good. Good, you made like, I don't know like 15 million dollars. Oh really? Yeah, what an awesome, that's an awesome story. That is a great trade. Cause they were offering, I think it was a decent amount of money too, I think it was like five grand or something like that for this mural or something like that

Starting point is 00:35:24 or he could have been like, oh cool, I'm just trying to find that story though. That's what drives all these startup companies to like, you know, get all this like crazy labor. This promise that their equities can be worth a shit and it never amounts to it. That was like the one case. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:39 Your Facebook, yeah. Like that was a good idea. Wasn't just free work. Yeah, yeah. That's really common I hear over here. Yeah, no, that's the thing. It's like your startup company, you need to be lean as you possibly can run

Starting point is 00:35:51 and so you try and make people happy. Well, dude, I mean, look what's happening with all these IPOs. When that happens, it's gonna be big news. They're gonna say, the newspapers will say something like, I say newspapers, they don't exist anymore. I want to hear somebody in the back just ruffling. Just smoke signals. The newspapers will say something like, I say newspapers, they don't exist anymore. You gotta say the news. I wanna hear somebody in the back just ruffling.

Starting point is 00:36:06 Just whew. Just smoke signals. Like that ever happened. Yeah. This Paul Revere on the horse, everybody goes for the news. No, it's gonna come out and it's gonna say. It's gonna bring your milk. It'll say something like overnight,

Starting point is 00:36:19 15,000 new millionaires in San Francisco or something like that. And everyone's gonna be like, fuck, that's the way to do it. But the odds are very low that you work for a company. And also, they typically grind. Like working for a startup is not, oh, it's nine to five. It's not glorious.

Starting point is 00:36:35 No, I have a buddy who's worked for a startup and because of the promise of the IPO, dude was working no joke, like 15 hours a day every day. You know, dude, stupid. It's a gen, no. Dude, you know, do stupid again. No, dude, just work crazy stuff. I got a random fact for you guys. 30 years ago today, Game Boy.

Starting point is 00:36:52 Yeah. I love Game Boy. 30 years ago today, would you guys have a Game Boy? Yeah. You both had a Game Boy? Yeah, I had to, I actually ended up giving one. When I used to live at this apartment,

Starting point is 00:37:04 I was actually a house that I shared with this other guy and his kid would come every now and then and I actually gave him like my Game Boy and all my games and I was like, oh, man. Stake. Name the price and the game that came with it. 199. Tetris.

Starting point is 00:37:21 Mario Land. Tetris is right. Way over, bro. it was not expensive. What was the price back then? $89.99. $89.99. Which was expensive. That was expensive.

Starting point is 00:37:32 That's not cheap. No, it's not expensive. What is that for inflation? What would that be for inflation? Oh, dude. 10 grand, I'm just kidding. Well, 30 years ago, what is it? What is it?

Starting point is 00:37:42 2% is the average? Is that the average rate of inflation? Like 2.8 percent or something like that? Maybe Doug can figure out on on Google. Doug's normally my go-to guy when I when I don't know a number. Yeah. I'm guessing inflation. How did you have an $89 game boy? I thought you were poor. You had a horse. You had a grandma. You had a you had a game boy. You had a fucking motorcycle. And you're buying food with food. No, easy. I did not have a motorcycle. I thought you had some no just a horse in a game No, and I did I did Playing his game boy, but there's no electricity in the house

Starting point is 00:38:14 You're so making my mom's case right now see I told you guys were poor like no no no so we had my mom had a hungry mom I'm hungry mom. I'm a mom your game boy I feed the horse then I'll feed you my mom had a horse and my and my my sister had a horse and you know what? Let me tell you my god. You have two horses. Yeah, they had two horses And I remember when they bought it you know when they bought it fucking tax return tax return came in and it all went to Fucking two horses right and then like later in the light later on We're like oh shit. You gotta feed these things every single month, right? Game boy was a present for my grandma. My grandma always spoiled me.

Starting point is 00:38:48 That was something that like so my grandma used to send a box of clothes that I would get every three months and I used to end in Christmas and birthdays. My grandma took care of me for sure. So I had things. What is it? What was it? 185 bucks.

Starting point is 00:39:00 Hey, not bad, huh? I was 2.47. 185 dollars. So think about this way Buying a kid a $185 toy today. Dang. That's pretty expensive. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you got that sounds about right If it's like text you know, I didn't have it. I didn't have a game Well, I was I was maybe more. I mean Xbox and those games now those things are those consoles are for $400, but they're not sold for kids Switch and all that's like a couple hundred bucks. Yeah, nobody kids aren't but going, Xbox is for like kids,

Starting point is 00:39:28 our age, saying like these are 30, 40 year old men that are by the end. That was game changer of the game boy and then you could bring it with you and everybody's all jealous. It had that like yellowish, you know, black screen and then they finally got it with color and everything. Yeah, I loved it. I never got one because I was not too into playing video games right when that got popular.

Starting point is 00:39:48 You were very cool. No, we've covered this already. I was learning stuff. You guys are making knowledge. You guys were in the corner and playing. We were playing sports, bro. Speaking of sports, boom. The sharks are coming back tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:40:04 They came back from the beat the Wisconsin Wizards stop it. Stop it. Stop it. They were down. The warlock. So listen, so I want listen, Linda. They were down three to one. Okay. Three games to one. One more and they lose, right? And I went to that. I went to the that game. They win to tie it up three to two. they go back to Vegas, they win again last night. So it's now tied three to three game seven game. Nothing, the only thing better than a game one is a game seven, game seven back in San Jose. Is this no playoffs? Are we talking about it? It is playoffs, but it's not the Stanley Cup yet. So it's the road. How many more, how many more levels?

Starting point is 00:40:42 This will get it. If they win here, then they go on to semi finals and then the now don't the sharks always get this far and then crap out Is that something about like don't they always kind of do well? Yeah, they then they shit don't notorious for yeah We've we've been in the make in the sleep in the hunt for like the last decade man We've always been in the mix for sure. What would happen in because we got to break the cycle Yeah, what would it what do you what tell me what would happen in San cause we gotta break the cycle. Yeah, what would you, what, tell me what would happen in San Jose if they won the Stanley Cup? Oh, it explodes. Would it, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:10 It would be parade, all kinds of shit. You think people go crazy? Oh, the, the, economically it's amazing when that happens. Yeah, but I mean, I'm talking about like in the streets, people just fucking, Oh, there'll be a lot of people, yeah. Wrapping it all of a sudden, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:21 Yeah, it'll be a big party downtown. It will be a huge party. Yeah, absolutely. The downtown will, and they'll do a parade, the everything,, it'll be a big party downtown. It'll be a huge party. Yeah, absolutely. The downtown will and they'll do a parade, everything. So it'll be crazy. So that there's a, the week preceding the the the Stanley Cup, if we were to win, there will be a big old Stanley Cup viewing. There would be a big old parade. There'll be a ton of party in downtown. So yeah, now that would be amazing. I mean, I forget what the number, I know super balls are crazy. Maybe Doug can look that up like what, how much a Stanley Cup brings to a city, brings to a city, but the amount of revenue that it, it's such a big, like I always think it's

Starting point is 00:41:54 funny too, like if you're somebody who's not into sports, like you should at least care about that, because what it does for us is a city, economic, well, what I would like to see is the total cost on the taxpayer of building things like stadiums and then see how much they do actually bring in and what the actual, what the actual profit is because often I've seen studies on this and oftentimes, versus a lack of money. These stadiums, they're just big, it's like a way for a city to make people happy like we're going to build a big stadium, but when they look at the actual cost,

Starting point is 00:42:26 a lot of times they don't make any money when you actually average it out. Now that being said, I know sharks games should tend to gently, they tend to fill the seats, don't they? Yeah. So you think they're gonna do well? You know, this is, with their, okay, so so they're playing the old and nights?

Starting point is 00:42:41 Yeah, the nights, the nights lost last year in the Stanley Cup. There are brand new teams. To the capital. Crazy, they're playing lost the old and nights. Yeah, the night the nights. The nights lost last year in the in the Stanley Cup. There are brand new teams. They're crazy. They're good. Yeah, no, they they they whooped our ass last year. So this is a big win for it. It will be a big win if we get about we get beyond them. And two two number one seeds have already been knocked out. So it's this of all the years. I've been most excited about this team even though It's actually the least games I've gone to just because I'm so much in the Warriors. It's so hard for me like to tell my best friends. Yeah, it's like these happen right at the same time.

Starting point is 00:43:10 Like the playoffs schedule. That's all hockey go the same same time and I'm a die hard. I'm a die hard Sharks and Warriors fan and it would be like better You have to pick if I had to pick basketball and that's just because's just because I played, and so I have a little bit more attachment, but I'm not gonna do to tell you what. I like hockey games being there. That's the best experience I think sports-wise. I've been to. That'd be cool if they do win.

Starting point is 00:43:36 I'd like to see the celebration. This quads brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-edit edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's olrg-n-i-f-i-i.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout.

Starting point is 00:44:06 Our first question is from CMOS 23. How do you rebound after a day of eating light crap? I'm interested to hear if we have different opinions on this. How'd you guys, so Easter, did you guys end up eating a lot of stuff that you don't normally like candy? I had some cheesecake and then some candy and I was like, oh, yeah, that would hit me like a bomb. Yeah, no, it was like the richness, the richness of the food and all that, like it, you know, you know, right away afterwards, like your stomach kind of goes

Starting point is 00:44:38 into, you know, the danger zone a little bit. So this, so I'm going to use an analogy that might help illustrate this a little bit better when I'm trying to explain here. So you're in your car and you're driving and it's raining and you turn a little bit and the car starts to slide a bit. One of the worst things you could do is over-correct in the opposite direction. And glad we're you going with this. You'll cause an accident in your car.

Starting point is 00:45:06 We'll spin. It's one of the worst things you could possibly do is over-react and over-correct. And so after eating a day, after a day of eating crap or whatever, over-indulging or eating too much food or too much candy, like I did over the Easter holiday, one of the worst things you can do is go in the opposite direction.

Starting point is 00:45:25 It actually encourages the, you know, binging and restricting behaviors that we see that are so common with people in our space, especially people that compete on stage, physique competitors or bikini competitors. This is what they get stuck in. They get stuck in the hardcore restricting, super-calculated, everything's fitting a particular macro-poor file to going way off onto the other side. And that, just like with your car,

Starting point is 00:45:56 when you turn one way and over-correct the other way, you start to create a chain reaction of over-correcting. And I can show you can go on YouTube right now and watch videos of these cars doing this where they could have fixed the situation, had they approached it a little bit more gently and kind of brought it back to normal rather than trying to overcorrect.

Starting point is 00:46:16 Yeah, that's a great analogy. I do think that the tendency is to want to sort of punish yourself and really get back in the gym and really hammer it out in order to sort of make up for any sort of damage you think, may it? And for me, it's just like acknowledging the fact that it's probably not ideal or optimal, like how I was eating that day, but not getting super crazy and corrective and like going like full steam, you know, like this is something that, okay, yeah, let's, let's kind of like get

Starting point is 00:46:50 back to, to a good momentum and train where, where it's in healthier patterns. Well, you have to take into consideration that on an off day, and we'll use these terms an example, because a lot of people are probably eating candy and or drinking alcohol. And so you have this day of being sedentary or mostly probably sedentary for the average American. And then you over consume on foods that are almost worthless, right? Calorie-wise is as far as macronutrient-wise, right? Cookies and sugar bomb candy and shit like that is you're not getting a lot of benefits

Starting point is 00:47:28 from that nutritionally. So you deprive yourself nutritionally, you over-consume on garbage that your body doesn't need. And then the tendency that clients used to wanna do the next day is starve the body more of nutrients by not feeding it and hammering themselves in the gym and punishing themselves for doing that and to just The signal that you're sending to your body right there is just not ideal So I would always coach to do like what's happens happened like oh, I don't know. Yeah, go back to normal

Starting point is 00:47:57 Give back to your eating consistently feed the body what it needs and even even though you overfed yesterday Doesn't mean that I want you to to grossly restrict this take them up. In fact, more than likely, you didn't get your nutrient requirements that I want you to get. So today, I want you to eat well, eat well, and train normal. So just get right back on the horse and get back and stay your course, not overcr... So I didn't know you were going to go that direction.

Starting point is 00:48:21 I'm glad you did because that's exactly what I see. As I see clients that wanna over-correct because they did this bad the way they think about it. It's like, okay, I'll just not eat today and I'll do a ton of cardio and hope that my body then will burn off whatever all the damage I did yesterday. And just the body doesn't work that well. It's a good discussion because I guarantee you, okay, look, if we go on paper, if I go to on paper,

Starting point is 00:48:46 and let's say your caloric maintenance is 2,000 calories a day, okay? And you eat 4,000 calories a day. Technically, you could not eat tomorrow and then balance out the calories. You could, right? Technically, because instead of eating 2,000 calories a day and 2,000 calories tomorrow, you ate 4,000 calories today.

Starting point is 00:49:06 So tomorrow I eat no food and now I'm back to zero. But see, here's the difference. We've all worked with real people and we've all worked with lots of real people and have coached everyday people, hundreds of them over years and years and years. And so our advice is not coming from what works on paper. Our advice is coming from what works behaviorally.

Starting point is 00:49:26 Cause I guarantee you, you know, someone like Lane Norton would say, oh yeah, you can make up for it by balancing out the macros and calories and it would all make sense. And then at the end, you'd be like, easy mathematical equation. But it doesn't work like that behaviorally. What ends up happening is you over consume,

Starting point is 00:49:42 you overcorrect the following day, and then you get into this pattern of binging and restricting, binging and restricting, which turns into just bad eating habits and a bad relationship to food. A better relationship to food is, I enjoyed yesterday, it was a holiday, cool, go back to normal. You are going to be above your normal caloric intake, but in the long run, you'll be much better off, and you won't be so stressed out about food all the time, like you would when you're doing this back and forth.

Starting point is 00:50:10 Cause I'll tell you, I mean, I work with people who do this, and they're stressed out all the time. It's a stressful way of eating. And all it does, by the way, one of the reasons why people overeat in the first place is what? Stress. So when you're doing this restricting and binging

Starting point is 00:50:25 and restricting and binging, you are feeding a part of your behavior that encourages more over-consuming. And at the end, it turns into what they would consider yo-yo dieting where I gain 15 pounds and I lose 15 pounds. So how would you guys set if we were heading into Easter, knowing that we're gonna to do some damage.

Starting point is 00:50:46 We're going to eat some cookies. We're going to have some candy. We'll probably have some drinks. We know we're not going to eat ideally. What would you guys do nutritionally and exercise wise, the day or two before and the day after? What would that look like in an ideal world? I know what it looked like for me. I'm curious to if you guys are similar. Well, for me, it was mainly just to get in a good, solid, foundational session and leading up into Easter.

Starting point is 00:51:15 So that way I got a good intense session where my muscles all got expressed. And I felt, I burned,, expanded a decent amount of calories, but really it was just about like, doing that ahead of time going into the food. I didn't want to put too much pressure on the actual food, itself, although for me, I just, I'm not like, I don't enjoy eating like a lot of dessert,

Starting point is 00:51:42 but I will enjoy like having little bits of it. And then the next day is just about just stay moving, stay active, like just try not to like sit and lounge quite as much. And that's really my only like approach. Yeah, for me, it depends on what my goal is for the day or whatever. If I go into it and I think, I'm just gonna enjoy myself,

Starting point is 00:52:02 have fun. And you know, here's the thing about holidays that I enjoy so much. No, no, let fun. Here's the thing about holidays that I enjoy. No, no, let's know that you're going to eat some calories in there. You know is not it. You're going to over-consume. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:52:13 And that's what I'm gonna say. If I go into a holiday like Easter, there's a few dishes that family members make that I don't normally get access to. So my grandmother may make pasta al forno, which is the Sicilian dish that we get, you know, Easter and Christmas and, you know, other big holidays, otherwise we don't get it that often.

Starting point is 00:52:33 So I know I'm gonna eat this. So I go in and I tell myself, like, that's cool, I'm gonna eat this thing. There may be other foods that aren't that special to me and I'll avoid them because it's not that big of a deal because to me it's not about, again, if I go into it with this idea that I'm just gonna eat until I can't breathe, it's not really enjoyable.

Starting point is 00:52:49 I used to do that, I used to go in and have this attitude where I would restrict and then go in and just go crazy. Then I wouldn't feel good and I started realizing, I'm not really enjoying the holiday and part of enjoying the holidays and enjoying the food and there are certain foods that I'm gonna get on that holiday. They don't normally get and that's when I'll eat them. Now another strategy that I used to tell clients is I'd say look, you know, meet your nutritional requirements first by filling up your plate with vegetables,

Starting point is 00:53:18 your proteins in your fats. After you eat that, then you can go. If you have, these are for people who do really struggle with just going crazy on the sugar and over. So this is how I eat or how I prepare for a day like Sunday where I know I'm going to over consumer, I'm going to eat things that are not ideal for my body is leading up to that day so that the day or two days before I'm either one really low calorie for two days in a row or I'm like fasted going into it.

Starting point is 00:53:47 I want a good lift like Justin said, like I'm going to do a really good hard foundational workout either the morning of or the night, but the day before so that my body is, you know, looking to build and I'm so a lot of the calories that I go into consume. Hopefully it's partitioned over into recovery and helping me build. And so and then my first meal that I eat, that I break the fast with, I want it to be balanced and good. So I'm looking for, and I'm gonna load it up with veggies.

Starting point is 00:54:12 I think we had like eggs and try tip and meat. Like that, so it was really easy to have, you know, a good, still eat good choices first. So I load my, my plate up with the things that my body needs. And then after that, I go, okay, if I want to have two cookies, and I had to get two chocolate chip cookies,

Starting point is 00:54:28 I think I had three pieces of a candy. I can't remember what else I had that was, that was, that was the thing. Yeah, I think it was just the dessert, really. I mean, because everything else we had was like, like mashed potatoes and, you know, the sparrows and peas and like lots of like good option ham and that was it, you know, and so it's, I don't know, I think there's a lot, everybody varies in terms of like their family

Starting point is 00:54:52 and what they put out there and present out there, but I feel like for the most part, it's that people have this misconception that this holiday meal is so unhealthy. When you can navigate through that pretty easily. You can, but I think the important point is this, like if we did a short-term study, let's say we did a study that was over the course of, you know, 14 days or 30 days, and one group would go into a holiday,

Starting point is 00:55:19 overeat, like most people do, and then the next day correct it with a super low calorie diet. Right. In the short term study, that group would do better than the recommendation we gave, which was to go back normal, because that group would, I mean, again, on paper, they would make up the calories. But the group that would just go back to normal, if we were to look long term, they would

Starting point is 00:55:39 do much better because at the end of the day, if you want to eat in a way that's gonna promote a healthy body weight, body fat percentage, and just overall health, you don't wanna press the calories, you wanna press the behaviors. So stop looking so much at the calories, that's important, you gotta look at that. It definitely is a part of the formula, but press the behaviors,

Starting point is 00:56:01 and what is a dysfunctional behavior, binging and restricting? I was gonna say, yeah, if you don't do that, you don't feed into that binging behavior that you might have a propensity towards with other things. I have never seen anybody binge as terribly as post-show competitors in my life.

Starting point is 00:56:23 These are people who so strict leading up to a show, post show, I've seen female, I know female competitors, 115 pound girls consume 6,000 calories in a matter of hours. I know guys that would gain 30 pounds in a few weeks post show. I'm not even exaggerating. This is the crazy part.

Starting point is 00:56:46 And that's an extreme version of what I'm talking about. Now, most of these people, average people who aren't eating a lot on a holiday aren't competitors, they're not dieting for 16 weeks before a show. But again, if you press the behaviors, because again, if I take two people and this person over here, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:57:01 count your calories, balance them all out, make sure you eat the right amount of calories. This person over here, I'm like, count your calories, balance them all out, make sure you get the right amount of calories. This person over here, let's make sure you have really good relationship to food and good behaviors around food. Guess which one's gonna succeed long term. The one with the right behavior. So I think that's the important part of this question,

Starting point is 00:57:16 agreed. Next question is from M. Dolman Fitness. If your life makes it incredibly difficult to get adequate sleep for recovery, do you recommend lowering training intensity to balance that out? Absolutely. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know, I was having...

Starting point is 00:57:32 This was a thought that I was having about a week ago. I was really putting together and I started writing down some notes on paper. And I was thinking about stress and the human body. And I tried to think in the context of how the human body. And I tried to think in the context of how the human body evolved, because if you look at modern humans, modern life has been a very, very short period of time. It's been very, very short period of time

Starting point is 00:57:56 when we lived in this kind of sedentary electronic lights all around us, temperature controlled, lots of food available type of environment. And so our bodies are primitive, but we live in this modern world. So in that context, if you think of stress, what, when we are stressed out, our body interprets it in the prehistory,

Starting point is 00:58:18 in the primitive sense. And what I mean by that is, what stressed this out a thousand years ago? Like why would humans be stressed out a thousand years ago? Well, there was two reasons, mostly. One, one was acute, like, oh shit, there's a bear, or oh fuck, I just got attacked. Like super high level acute stress, which is here now gone tomorrow. I got away.

Starting point is 00:58:39 I survived stress has gone. And then the other was kind of that low to moderate level of constant stress. Now what would cause that kind of stress back then probably couldn't find shelter and couldn't find food, right? So I'm just kind of like stressed out constantly. It's not a cute, but it's kind of this constant stress. So how was the body used that kind of stress to adapt to survive in that type of an environment. It's... Stores, fat. It's going to encourage fat storage

Starting point is 00:59:08 and it's going to discourage calorie burning in the sense that it's not gonna make you wanna build more muscles. It's not gonna wanna give you a faster metabolism. It's gonna wanna kind of turn you into a storage machine and make you hyper-vigilant for things. So you can hear sounds and figure out what's going on. And so that environment right there is a terrible environment to try to burn body fat and build muscle. It doesn't want it. All your hormones are geared around

Starting point is 00:59:31 not doing that. All your the behaviors that your body's pushing is geared towards if you find food, eat the fuck out of it and you know don't do certain things that are going to speed up your metabolism. So if you're in a low sleep environment, low sleep is that kind of low moderate level of stress. And you're gonna try and work out to force your body to build muscle burn body fat, which is another stress. Yeah, you're uphill, uphill battle, big time.

Starting point is 00:59:58 Your best bet in this, like not getting enough sleep situation is first try to get more sleep. And if that's impossible, and you still want to exercise, you want to be active, it needs to be kind of recuperative, regenerative type stuff. Not the intense like crazy workouts. That's the absolute worst thing you could possibly do.

Starting point is 01:00:15 Yeah, that's not gonna do a whole lot for you. Yeah, it's, and that's a tough mindset too, because you feel like, you know, like you can't catch up on sleep, so you're already like sleep deprived. You feel like, like, you know, and you still want to make gains and be healthy. And it just doesn't feel like you're going to make any progress, doing a lighter, recoupative type workout.

Starting point is 01:00:34 But in fact, your body will actually have that ability then to get that recovering and be able to then have progress, which is, it seems counterproductive, but that's the way to go. The hardest part about this that people need to understand is that if you're somebody who doesn't get great sleep, you have to treat it just like anything else in your life that you're trying to improve upon

Starting point is 01:00:57 and you have to put some energy and focus around it. Yes. Like, sleep isn't just one of those things, then especially if you're somebody who identifies with a question like this is It's not like oh, I just lay in bed and hopefully you'll get better. We totally take it for granted We do we take it for granted that the the process leading up and up to the sleep portion of your night and you know And I'm definitely guilty of this. I'm somebody who can definitely his mind wander at night

Starting point is 01:01:22 I love to binge watch a show. If I'm into the show, I'll keep watching the second, it's 10 o'clock and I know I should be getting ready for bed. Fuck it, I'm into the show, watch another one. You know, and then it's 11, it's midnight. And then when I go to bed and I'm like, just gonna expect myself to shut down and then be ready to get prof at about at 6 a.m.

Starting point is 01:01:38 like, no, it doesn't work that way. But when I say, hey, you know what, this week, I'm gonna set set goal for myself. Like I've done the last previous weeks, like I'm getting up really early. I want to get it and I want to feel good when I get up. I don't want to be groggy when I get up. So that means I need to get to bed at a decent hour. Okay. Well, I also know that I'm normally doing something right right around eight or nine o'clock. So I need to get to my room, get the lights turned off, kind of get in it, get my mind set and ready for that, whether

Starting point is 01:02:05 that be using tools like brain FM, which is why I love things like that, or if it means meditating or doing your gratitude journal or whatever it may be, something to kind of settle the mind down, get yourself ready for that or rock in your Felix Grey's, whatever, but getting yourself prepped for the evening like that, that, I mean, it makes a world of a difference when I do it. And when I don't do it, I don't get great sleep. Well, well, think about it again in the context of the fact that we have not lived this modern life for very long in terms of how long humans have been on Earth

Starting point is 01:02:34 or modern humans have been on Earth. Your body and your brain had a lot of cues, natural cues that told you it was time to go to sleep. First of all, humans are extremely vulnerable, weak creatures at night. We were not nocturnal. We didn't go out and we can't see very good. Most animals, the predators, can see very good at night.

Starting point is 01:02:55 Humans were not out at night hanging out. We were like, let's get into some shelter and go to sleep. And what were the cues that our bodies got? The sun went down. That was number one. Number what were the cues that our bodies got? The sun went down. That was number one. Number one, the sun goes down. Your body is not exposed to light. You're not getting light through your eyes.

Starting point is 01:03:13 You're not getting light UV rays or whatever. Your brain automatically starts to know, oh shit, time to get ready for that rest and repair part of the day, which is sleep. Here's the other one, that's a big one. Food, eating. You know, did you guys, most people don't know this, but your organs also are a kind of a signaling system

Starting point is 01:03:35 to the body that tells you it's time to go to sleep. Now, did you, were humans cooking in the fire in the middle of the night when there's fucking lions everywhere? No, we weren't eating in the middle of night, we ate during the day at night, when the shit went down, everything went, we weren't eating anymore. So your body, if you're eating late at night when it's dark, your body thinks it's time to be awake.

Starting point is 01:03:57 I was actually gonna bring that up as one of the main things that has helped me get in better sleep is to shut down my eating earlier. I was eating around like eight o'clock. You know, they're like seven, 38 o'clock. And then once I brought it down to consistently either five, 30 or six, so much better sleep. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:04:19 This is one of those things that it's unfortunate that the fitness industry does this shit, right? Cause that used to be an old like folktale, right? Of eat, eat before us if you would, right? And so we used to shit on it, and then science comes out to prove otherwise, and we're like, it doesn't fucking matter. If you're really bird special.

Starting point is 01:04:36 Does it matter if you eat it at midnight? Does it matter if you eat at six? You know, calories matter. Calories is all that matters, but again, this goes back to why we always talk about behavior and the psychological piece to being healthy and fit. There was some value to teaching people, hey, once we're just teaching it wrong. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:04:53 They were trying to explain it wrong. Like there was some science to support what's going on from the law of the thermodynamics spot. That doesn't matter in this, but it behaviorally, it does matter. It does. It'll help with your sleep, one thing that Jessica did in our house, which I thought was really, really smart, is she bought these Himalayan salt lamps. So have you guys seen Himalayan salt lamps?

Starting point is 01:05:15 Salt lamps? Yeah. So Himalayan, it's like the Himalayan salt rock. It's like the crystal rock. Oh, yeah. I've seen that. And they put, and there's a bowl in it. And when you turn it on, it's like this, this kind of red amber.

Starting point is 01:05:26 So it just kind of glows. It's almost like a, well that's how like a fire, like you look at those. Bingo, because the blue light and green light both signal the brain to be awake. So blue light blocking glasses, like the Felix Ray's takes care of a lot of it,

Starting point is 01:05:43 but green light will also do that. Red light is the light that has the least effect on the brain. Now why? Well, remember we are Ben Greenfield's house. He had all the red bulbs in his house. Now why? Well, it's because again, we evolved with fire. So if we did have light at night, it was fire and that we could still fall asleep. So she bought these Himalayan salt lamp night lights and she put them all throughout the house and they're cheap. You You can buy them on Amazon. Real cheap. Put them throughout the house. When the sun goes down, we turn off the lights and we just use the salt light, those little lights. And it's a nice low red glow. And me and the kids in her hang out and we do what we're going to do. If we watch TV or if we're on electronics, we do put on the blue light

Starting point is 01:06:21 blocking glasses. Otherwise, we keep electronics off. The biggest thing that I notice about this, because kids are like, man, you can, if you want, if you are a parent, you want to test anything out, you do it on your kid, because they'll, you'll see right away. My daughter always had a tough time falling asleep. Ever since we started doing that?

Starting point is 01:06:38 Right to bed. My son, right to bed. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm not to try that, yeah, because my oldest has been waking up quite a bit like it will come up stairs and be like, his mind just keeps running and running and running and having thoughts. And it's just like, ah, yeah, we should try something new for sure. Next is fit, friend, flex.

Starting point is 01:07:00 What is the question you guys get asked the most that has become annoying because you answer it all the time? She was at the event over the weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hala. Yeah, good to see. God, what is the question that we get? You know what noise means sometimes?

Starting point is 01:07:17 And it's only annoying because I just don't have the time to help people like this, but we pride ourselves in trying to answer DMs and help people. It's gotten to the point where it's just too many people, right? It's lots of people. I tell you what, if you send me a screenshot of your last six, you know, macro, you know, days and here's what I'm eating and here's my workout

Starting point is 01:07:41 and here's my, and what do you think about my blood labs? And I have like 85 different messages. I can't answer you. That's when I, and here's my, and what do you think about my blood labs, and I have like 85 different messages, I can't answer you. That's when I get a little bit like, that's way too much, you know what I mean? Well, yeah, because it's so specific. It's just so much stuff. It would take a lot of questions back and forth.

Starting point is 01:07:56 I think that's what people don't understand. So I guess I feel you on that, because there's moments where I get annoyed by two, then I'm like, they just don't. Any personal coaching. They don't know better, you know, they don't know better and they're annoyed by two and then I'm like, they just do any personal coaching. They don't know better. They don't know better and they're asking like that, but I'm glad you bring it up because I think it's important people know that.

Starting point is 01:08:10 It's like, dude, it's so hard. It's hard already. Well, it's hard because what it would require to give a really good answer that you would want to give. I would have to prod you and ask you 10 more questions. And you're basically coaching them. Right. Yeah, yeah, it just to do take a lot of interaction

Starting point is 01:08:27 that then takes away from being able to ask everybody else. So those are, yeah, those are, well, it's the same with pain questions for me, like with joints and like the way that they're moving, what they notice, what this and that, and like, this is all through just like type text. Like I need to see all this stuff. I can't be that specific.

Starting point is 01:08:43 Well, if you're, first of all, this is a good time to actually plug this part that we have. And what I've done now with people that ask questions, and I'm like, dude, we've talked about this in grave detail. We have a mind pump 30 days free of coaching. And in those 30 days, we've looked at what we think are some of the most valuable pieces of information that we've taught on this podcast,

Starting point is 01:09:06 and we've condensed it over a 30-day email drip campaign where there's a topic every single day that we cover. And it's everything from nutritional advice to gut health, to exercise, to break-in down macro and micro nutrients. And there's little short videos that Sal did that are three to five minutes long where he kind of gives you like an overview of what it's all,

Starting point is 01:09:29 what you're learning that day. There's links to studies to support the arguments that we make on all the points that we make. So I tend to tell people that have these questions that yeah, we've already answered a lot of the stuff is to go through that process and read that. I think the things that probably, I don't really get annoyed too much. That's too strong, right?

Starting point is 01:09:48 Yeah, that's, it's, it's, it's, I don't, I don't think anybody does. But I, what I, we do still get a lot of shit on supplements. I mean, everybody keeps asking, and we always get this, you know, what about this? And do you think we should take that and should we cycle off this and what about this charm and what about, and I feel like we've made such a hard stance on this, it's the beginning that that's not going to change. Like, I don't, to, well, I'll forever tell you this. There's for sure been hundreds, I'm sure I'm in the thousand,

Starting point is 01:10:17 if not thousands with the combined of all three of us, helped people out. Not a single fucking one of them, not one person. Have I ever helped out and I afterwards that when I'm like, man, thank God I got them on all them supplements. That supplements, those supplements really was a game changer and helped that person. Fucking zero. Not one. All of it was changing behavior, changing relationship with exercise, changing relationship with nutrition, getting them to understand proper macronutrient, getting them to eat correctly for their body.

Starting point is 01:10:47 That is everything in this rate. And I mean that's to the most extreme. Like, somebody who wants to look fucking like a bodybuilder or a bikini competitor, I've done that without ever having to speak to supplementation. Now that being said doesn't mean that I don't think there's value in somebody who's lacking in a microtubitry and supplementing for that or advantages to creatine. I understand all the studies, I've read all this shit, but we get a lot of questions still around that. And I would, you know, it's like, dude, most people, you shouldn't be asking question

Starting point is 01:11:19 or that you should be asking other questions to have, because you could maximize probably all of your goals before you ever even mess or fuck around with supplements. Yeah, I don't necessarily get, and here's the thing about what we do. We have to constantly reiterate what we've talked about before. People just need you to go over it over and over and over again.

Starting point is 01:11:39 It's just like having clients. You just have to repeat yourself constantly until finally, like, you know, something clicks for a lot of times for people. So it's not that it's, we're, you know, we will be revisiting the same types of questions constantly, like reworded. And that's fine. I think it's, it's more like the super, what kind of annoys me on some level is like,

Starting point is 01:12:02 you know, the very, very specific splitting hairs to splitting hairs type questions where I just don't feel like the rest of the audience is gonna really benefit from it. Yeah, I'll tell you what annoys me. And it's not the person asking me the question that annoys me, it's that the reason why they have this question to begin with is there's a lot of people in our space

Starting point is 01:12:22 who make this become a, for them, a question that they should ask. And it's when I get the questions on gray market peptides and storms and shit like that. And then I get annoyed. Not because the people are asking me, but because they have this question in the first place, because there's people out there

Starting point is 01:12:39 who are pumping and promoting. Right, like that's the new game. These fucking gray market products that are, we have less information. And I don't know if they're safe or not safe. They're so little information on peptides and sores. Like you're probably your better bet is to take an anabolic steroid. And I'm not saying yes or no, I'm just saying we know a lot about those things at least. But I get all these kids, these dudes who are like,

Starting point is 01:13:05 yeah, I wanna, what do you think about this charm? And it's like some long name. And what do you think about this peptide? It's supposed to end up like, dude, first of all, you don't know where you're getting it from. You're getting it from some lab that's, there's something as a research chemical that's how they're able to get away with what they're selling.

Starting point is 01:13:18 There is no research behind it except for the biohacker, dude or girl who's talking about it on their social media or podcast and talking about, and they have no idea, they're just talking out their ass, they're just, they're parading what they heard from some other guy who claims to be an expert. We actually had somebody who tried to get on our show who was like, I'm an expert on all these substances.

Starting point is 01:13:41 And I said, oh, cool. And I got on the phone and I'm like, what's your background? Oh, well, I on all these substances and I said, oh cool, and I got on the phone and I'm like, what's your background? Oh well, I had all these physical problems and then I cured myself by doing research online. And you call yourself an expert? Yeah. If you go online right now and look for an expert. You go online right now and you look up peptides and sores.

Starting point is 01:14:00 99% of the articles that are giving you the information on are places that are trying to sell them. And when you look them up, what are the side effects? Oh, side effects are very mild, include like, you might get a little bit more oily skin or they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. You might start seeing orange dots. Yeah, we don't, and I don't know,

Starting point is 01:14:16 they might be very safe. We just don't know. So when I get that question, I get annoyed because the people asking oftentimes are these... Well, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I oftentimes are these well, I would I would do it in girls and their I lump that into my supplements like I did it all falls in the

Starting point is 01:14:28 same category for me because then that aside from all of that, it's just on the the priority of the the total poll of priorities, it's just set the fucking very bottom, you know, it's not a top priority that you want to be learning right now or figuring out like figure all the other shit out. It's not it's not a charm and it's not a top priority that you want to be learning right now or figuring out, like figure all the other shit out. It's not a charm and it's not a steroid and it's not a supplement that's keeping you from reaching your goal. That's right. That's the real, the real, the real, not the missing link. That's not the key. Next question is from Spencer Boyd Fitness. What are the most important pieces advice you'd give to someone who is about to open up

Starting point is 01:15:02 their own gym? Yeah, it's interesting because we've said over and over how difficult that is and what a sort of a ceiling that you're creating by going that direction. But there's people that really, that's their goal. They really want to have a successful gym that they created from scratch. It's a creative drive for a lot of trainers who, you know, love the gym and love being in the gym. But so there's definitely some things to consider, you know, right away in terms of like, you know, if I'm going to open a gym, I would, first of all, I would, I probably wouldn't do this.

Starting point is 01:15:40 I do think it's really hard, but I think it's really hard to make a lot of money doing this. Do I think it's really hard, but I think it's really hard to make a lot of money doing this. Do I think it's possible? Yeah, I think it's possible. The things that I would do to make good money in this, I would definitely have classes that were geared around mobility. I talked about this just recently. I would use the Maps Prime Pro and build something similar to what I've built. These, these, what used to be my bootcamp type of classes have now turned into these like

Starting point is 01:16:08 mobility classes that I think are really cool and have done wonders for people. And I also think that the climate right now in class settings is all geared around like intensity driven classes, like the orange theories, the F45s, the, you know, CrossFit. Like, so instead of trying to compete with them, which is what I see happening with a lot of these small gyms, they open up and then they to try and create a CrossFit type class or a orange theory type class, I would do something to compliment all that stuff, which is the mobility side of it. I think that there is a growing need for these types of classes.

Starting point is 01:16:45 I gave this advice to the Red Dot Fitness team and they've been implementing it and it's been crushing. So if I was opening up my own gym, I would have classes that are targeted at countering the problems that you get from taking these high intensity classes and serve those people. And I think it would do really well on top of having obviously your trainers that you probably either lease space or work underneath you. And then I would also integrate a

Starting point is 01:17:14 virtual side of this. Like I think that I could see us opening maps gyms in the future, but because we built this part of the business first to really support the brick and mortar piece. So if I was doing the brick and mortar first, I still wouldn't just neglect that I believe that so much of fitness is going online. So I think you would be silly to just like not give a fuck about that because you're building a brick and mortar. I think it's important that you have a presence on YouTube. You have a presence on Instagram and social media platforms. You're using those to complement and build a community. So the most successful gems, whether they're small or big or private or publicly

Starting point is 01:17:56 owned, the most successful gems I've ever been in and been a part of are the ones that do an incredible job building a very strong community. And I would utilize all the social platforms to help assist building that strong community within your facility. Yeah, I think too. I mean, absolutely. Building the community and building the audience ahead of time is crucial these days. And I agree with that. I think having a solid business model and really understanding how you're gonna create these systems before you even jump into anything like that is at the utmost crucial thing to consider in terms of having EFT, all these different things of ways to capture payments,

Starting point is 01:18:41 of ways to incentivize your staff. What kind of staff are you gonna have, or are you gonna have a lot of trainers, or you're gonna have a lot of salespeople, or you're gonna include, what is all that gonna look like? Your ultimate vision of it, and then sort of deconstructing that down

Starting point is 01:18:58 to the MVP model of that for the first location, or is this gonna be something that's just gonna stand as one gym? I think that like your entire vision of this thing has to be really written out. Yeah, there's a huge misconception with individual gym owners or people who wanna start a gym.

Starting point is 01:19:17 Now, the chain owners understand what I'm about to say, but the guys and girls who are like, oh my God, it's my dream to open a gym. They make a big mistake, typically. And the mistake is that they think the awesomeness of their gym and equipment is what's gonna make their gym successful. So they think, we're gonna have the best looking gym,

Starting point is 01:19:37 and that's what's gonna bring all the members in. That's false. Two things will make your gym successful. Two, one is your marketing and sales and two is your culture of the gym. Those two things are the most important things. Crossfit proved this with the culture. These gyms were dungeons. They were couple squat racks and chalk and barbells and some of them became very successful early on and that was because of the culture.

Starting point is 01:20:02 Marketing and sales is another big one. If you don't know how to market and sell, people, you ain't gonna sell shit. People will walk in your gym and walk right out. I don't care how awesome your gym looks, because you are not selling anything but a dream, and you need someone to paint that picture so you need good sales people and good marketing. But those two things, look, I've run so many shit holes,

Starting point is 01:20:23 and I've broken records out of those shit holes because I had great sales and marketing and I had a phenomenal culture in the gym. And really, I could do it with crappy equipment all day long. And then I've been in gyms that were just gorgeous facilities that didn't succeed because they didn't have those two things. They had a terrible culture and they didn't have that marketing and sales background, that priority.

Starting point is 01:20:46 So that's the big thing, I say, if you're gonna open a gym, you need to know your sales and marketing. You gotta be a closer. You gotta have your marketing together. How are we gonna get people? How are we gonna drive leads in here? And then how are we gonna sell them?

Starting point is 01:20:57 And then this other half of it, which is equally as important, is how are we gonna create a culture in our gym that makes people wanna stay here? If you do those two things, your odds of success are much higher. Well, and I also think a lot of people go into it with their intention of what they like the most about training. And so their gym is sort of a reflection of that.

Starting point is 01:21:18 When in fact, it's humbling a lot of times to find that there's not a huge community out there that's driven to those same things, right? I don't want this like crazy dungeon-esque powerlifting, focused gym that's like super-specific, like it's not very inviting for your average person now. I need to pay the bills and I want to have all these people come in and get memberships and all that. That's a hard sell.

Starting point is 01:21:41 I'm going to open the first kettlebell only gym, you know what I mean? Right. Like, you know, there's like three people in the city. Do your research. Yeah, like there's a reason why certain, you know, gyms take off in certain ones, you know, it's more of a struggle. That's it.

Starting point is 01:21:53 Look, if you go to MindPumpFree.com, you can download any of our guides for free. We've got quite a few up there. And they're all absolutely free. You can also find us on Instagram. That's our social media platform of choice to contact and talk with our fans. You can find Justin on Instagram. That's our social media platform of choice to contact and talk with our fans. You can find Justin on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin.

Starting point is 01:22:09 You can find me at Mind Pump Sal. And you can find Adam at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at MindPumpMedia.com.

Starting point is 01:22:28 The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballac, maps performance and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal, Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs. With detailed workout blueprints in over 200 videos, the RGB Superbundle is like having Sal and an adjustment as your own personal trainer's butt at a fraction of the price. The RGB Superbundle has a full 30-day money-back guarantee and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at MindPumpMedia.com. If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review on iTunes

Starting point is 01:23:12 and by introducing MindPump to your friends and family. We thank you for your support and until next time, this is MindPump. you

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1016: How to Get Back on Track After Eating Crap, Adjusting Training Intensity When Sleep Deprived, Advice When Starting a Gym & MORE

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.